[00:06:45] <CIA-48>	03werdna * r33319 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php User.php): Allow setting httponly on auth cookies.
[00:06:54] <Werdna>	brion: one cookie plz
[00:07:05] <Dashiva>	No cookie for you. Come back, one session.
[00:07:06] <CIA-48>	03werdna * r33320 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php: Respect core setting for httponly on centralauth authentication cookies
[00:07:14] <brion>	Werdna: what, didn't you see the cookie I sent you? ;)
[00:07:23] <Werdna>	brion: but it was httponly.
[00:07:31] *brion 	ba-dum *ching*
[00:07:32] *Werdna 	couldn't access it.
[00:09:31] <brick_ijigg>	thank you brion!
[00:09:36] <brick_ijigg>	my test worked :)
[00:09:56] <brion>	yay
[00:15:05] <Lars_G>	is there any "easy" way to dump a static "snapshot" of a mediawiki that could (sans logins and ACLs) be accessible from an HDD or cdrom for backup purposes?
[00:19:05] <jlerner>	Lars_G: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/DumpHTML.php
[00:23:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Request mailing list creation for Wikimedia Blog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13741  (10scream)
[00:23:19] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33321 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: 
[00:23:19] <CIA-48>	only force one index?
[00:23:19] <CIA-48>	kinda confused, but domas said :D
[00:29:18] <Lars_G>	Thanks jlerner I'll check it
[00:44:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707   +shell (10Andrew)
[00:46:04] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33322 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialAutoLogin.php: 
[00:46:04] <CIA-48>	don't call the wrong parent's constructor :)
[00:46:04] <CIA-48>	keeps us out of special:specialpages
[00:46:32] <Werdna>	ah, thanks.
[00:46:37] <Werdna>	silly Andrew.
[00:46:49] *Werdna 	posts.
[00:47:11] <brion>	:D
[00:56:25] <scubasjl>	hi
[00:57:11] <^demon>	Just for my own personal interest, is there really a difference between Global Blocking and Cross-Wiki Blocking?
[00:57:25] <^demon>	I haven't been following it, so I'm not sure, but it seems like they'd be similar.
[00:57:36] <Soxred93>	I suppose global means all wikis, and cross wiki means only on two related wikis.
[00:57:39] <Soxred93>	Pure guess.
[00:58:30] <Werdna>	that's correct
[00:58:34] <Werdna>	global blocking is "all wikis"
[00:58:46] <Werdna>	crosswiki blocking is just regular blocking, but you don't have to be an admin on the target wiki
[00:59:15] <^demon>	Werdna: So I block someone on enwiki, and I extend it to dewiki, even though I'm not a sysop?
[01:01:02] <Werdna>	no
[01:01:20] <Werdna>	more like somebody on meta blocks a spammer on some random language's wiki because they don't have any admins around
[01:01:50] <^demon>	I see, I see. So sysops on meta would run that, I'm guessing?
[01:03:14] <^demon>	To avoid the stewards having to sysop themselves or someone, remove the problem/block the vandal, then desysop them. I've got it right now?
[01:04:07] <Werdna>	yes.
[01:04:10] <Werdna>	that's crosswiki blocking
[01:04:19] <Werdna>	global blocking is a different kettle 'o fish
[01:04:33] <Werdna>	that's "Vandal X is vandalising on lots of small wikis. Let's block him wikimedia-wide"
[01:05:01] <^demon>	Well, I know the normal block is called a "banhammer" many times...could we tweak the i18n file to make the global block called "Mega banhammer?"
[01:05:58] <Werdna>	:)
[01:07:30] <Random832>	Who broke section redirects? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:STALK?action=edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:STALK
[01:07:34] <Dashiva>	banmallet
[01:08:14] <^demon>	Random832: Huh?
[01:08:20] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33323 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: Don't make user lookups slow
[01:08:21] <^demon>	Dashiva: Bantrident?
[01:08:48] <Random832>	^demon: section redirects aren't working. I don't know how I can be more clear
[01:09:43] <Random832>	(i know this is a mediawiki channel, but some wm people only listen in here)
[01:12:13] <^demon>	Random832: Why yes, they are broken.
[01:12:26] <^demon>	Took me a minute to catch on there, it's been a long day I apologize.
[01:12:39] <Random832>	so what happened? any idea?
[01:12:43] <^demon>	No clue.
[01:12:53] <Random832>	what code handles that?
[01:12:58] <Random832>	(er, handled)
[01:16:15] <^demon>	Random832: New SVN went out since the last time I checked (last rev I saw on enwiki was 33047, it's now at 33317). At least that narrows down the range of commits that could've broken it.
[01:16:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patch for an adaptive rating form for better usability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13744 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (arnomane)
[01:29:30] <jlerner>	is there any way to test if a system message exists, in php?
[01:29:38] <jlerner>	one of the wfMsg functions?
[01:31:04] <^demon>	jlerner: I guess if you did if ( !wfMsg('msg') ) then it wouldn't exist.
[01:31:30] <jlerner>	that seems to return <msg> ....
[01:32:10] <^demon>	Well, if it reliably returns a bad message, you could check to see if it matches that...
[01:32:28] <^demon>	if ( wfMsg('msg') != '<msg>' ) 
[01:32:29] <jlerner>	this is true
[01:32:41] <amidaniel>	eww
[01:33:18] <^demon>	amidaniel: Yes eww, but I don't know the wfMsg() system well enough to suggest otherwise :-P
[01:33:20] <jlerner>	too ugly hack?
[01:33:21] <jlerner>	];-)
[01:33:47] <amidaniel>	Isn't there something you can do through wfMsgReal?
[01:33:50] *amidaniel 	reads
[01:34:56] <amidaniel>	Or could just use $wgLang->getMessage( .. )?
[01:35:20] <amidaniel>	Seems like that would do what you want
[01:35:29] <jlerner>	amidaniel: thanks - trying..
[01:38:11] <CIA-48>	03werdna * r33324 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.php: Fix up GlobalBlocking::purgeExpired()
[01:45:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10mike.lifeguard)
[01:49:08] <aib>	how can I stop mediawiki from upcasing the first letter of uploaded file names?
[01:49:49] <aib>	the wgAllowDisplayTitle and {{lowercase} hack is not what i mean - how can I get it to /actually/ never upcase them in the first place?
[01:50:11] <jlerner>	aib: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCapitalLinks
[01:50:26] <jlerner>	i think you can set it to operate just on a particular namespace
[01:50:43] <jlerner>	er
[01:50:49] <jlerner>	i take that last part back
[01:50:55] <aib>	thanks
[01:50:58] <jlerner>	i wish it did though...
[01:52:35] <^demon>	jlerner: It's used in 21 places across 10 files. Shouldn't be /too/ hard to tweak into per-namespace, I would think.
[01:52:45] <jlerner>	good point
[01:52:51] <jlerner>	i have half a mind to fix it
[01:52:57] <jlerner>	i like the autocapitalization
[01:53:02] <jlerner>	except for uploaded images
[01:53:06] <jlerner>	it confuses designers....
[01:53:17] <jlerner>	who then have to fix their css
[01:53:28] <aib>	no, this doesn't do anything. 
[01:53:40] <jlerner>	 $wgLang->getMessage( .. ) is not working as expected, somehow
[01:53:41] <aib>	(related to what I asked). when i go to upload "test.png" i get "File name has been changed to "Test.png".
[01:53:57] <jlerner>	aib: set $wgCapitalLinks to false then
[01:54:49] <aib>	oh, there we go :)
[01:54:51] <aib>	thanks jlerner
[01:54:58] <jlerner>	sure thing
[01:55:08] <^demon>	jlerner: The only trick is making it backward-compatible for anyone who has it set to the normal true/false like it is right now.
[01:58:08] <scubasjl>	Can I take out the powered by MediaWiki on the bottom right?
[01:59:10] <Smaug>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_can_I_edit_.2F_remove_the_Powered_by_MediaWiki_image_in_the_footer.3F
[01:59:12] <scubasjl>	n/m lol i found it i knew
[01:59:26] <scubasjl>	i just had to scroll another inch and their it was lol
[01:59:53] <Smaug>	glad you found it
[01:59:55] <scubasjl>	Thank you Smaug I knew if i asked i would find it
[02:00:14] <scubasjl>	I hate thou cause then I wasted your time almost but your quick on the draw holly cow
[02:00:15] <Smaug>	well, I'm HTH even if I was too late to be able to take credit for it
[02:00:39] <Smaug>	i was already on the MW site, about to ask a question myself, and I knew it was in the FAQ, so it was only a matter of finding the url and pasting it in
[02:00:48] <Smaug>	but thank you.  :)
[02:00:51] <scubasjl>	Just getting used to navigating the site, its different then what I'm use to thats for sure, 
[02:01:05] <^demon>	jlerner: I was basically doing it where $wgCapitalLinks[] and the key is the namespace. The value is then true/false, as per normal.
[02:01:36] <jlerner>	cool - how much progress did you make?
[02:02:30] <^demon>	I'm doing ok so far. Having a bit of a problem with SearchEngine and how to make it check /all/ of the potential namespaces to be searched.
[02:03:07] <^demon>	I'd really rather not wrap the entire if() block in a foreach().
[02:04:05] <^demon>	I guess I /could/ for now.
[02:06:36] <aib>	the mediawiki extension matrix would be much awesomer if it used the "wikitable sortable" class so you could sort by the MW version it's been tested on
[02:06:50] <^demon>	jlerner: If you can think of a better way to do this: http://pastey.net/85794 than wrapping that if in a foreach, I'd love to hear it.
[02:07:08] <jlerner>	looking...
[02:08:02] <Smaug>	anybody here feel up to answering some questions about using Apache's RewriteEngine with MW?
[02:08:16] <Smaug>	I successfully modified my .htaccess file so that I now have short URLs.
[02:08:27] <Smaug>	I have used the $wgNamespaceAliases array to rename a namespace. I would like this to be reflected in the URL that the user sees. As it is, typing in the alternate name just redirects to the original namespace in terms of the URL (so the $wgNamespaceAliases editing worked).
[02:08:43] <Smaug>	How can I use Apache rewrite rules (or any other way, for that matter) to cause the namespace to appear how I like in the URL?
[02:08:57] <jlerner>	^demon: not sure
[02:09:02] <^demon>	Smaug: With your alternate name as opposed to the original?
[02:09:14] <Smaug>	^demon: yes
[02:09:19] <Random832>	I think you'd have to change the name of the namespace
[02:09:29] <^demon>	Smaug: Easiest way I'd think would be to rename it in the lang files.
[02:09:30] <Random832>	and make the original name an alias for it
[02:09:50] <Smaug>	isn't that bad practice, and won't it mess up a lot of code?
[02:09:57] <^demon>	jlerner: Granted, $this->namespaces isn't likely to be a /massive/ number, but it could be rather draining to a wiki with a huge number of namespaces to be searched. I guess I'll put the overall patch up when done and
[02:10:09] <Smaug>	(current htacces is here: http://rafb.net/p/cRUXJb32.html, by the way)
[02:10:09] <^demon>	*let others rip into it if need be.
[02:10:14] <jlerner>	heh
[02:11:31] <Smaug>	Random832: are you sure your suggestion wouldn't mess anything up?
[02:11:46] <^demon>	Smaug: Worse case scenario, revert?
[02:11:53] <Smaug>	yeah i guess
[02:12:46] <Smaug>	i'll try it out, but it feels like rewrite rules would be cleaner.  (i've tried them on my own though, and cannot get them to do my bidding.)
[02:12:48] <Random832>	Meta has a decent amount of language help namespaces
[02:13:30] <Smaug>	Random832: what do you mean?
[02:14:01] <Random832>	I was talking to jlerner and ^demon - see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
[02:14:14] <Smaug>	oh
[02:14:36] <^demon>	Random832: Right, which is why I didn't want to write it that way.
[02:14:42] <jlerner>	Smaug: rewrite rules are not the way to go...
[02:15:12] <Random832>	mod_rewrite is evil
[02:15:13] <jlerner>	safe to rename the namespace in question, then create an alias using the original name to preferred one
[02:15:14] <Smaug>	jlerner: really? why not? they do cool things to make short urls happen.
[02:15:25] <jlerner>	sometimes they're ok
[02:15:29] <jlerner>	;-)
[02:15:34] <Smaug>	jlerner: it's the user namespace, by the way, don't know if that makes a dif
[02:15:43] <Random832>	trying to rewrite one way and redirect the other is going to get you in trouble.
[02:15:53] <Smaug>	yeah
[02:15:58] <^demon>	jlerner: Why make an alias under the original name? Default name should always work as well.
[02:16:00] <jlerner>	i think you can rename any namespace...
[02:16:00] *Random832 	has attempted the very same thing
[02:16:10] <Random832>	not with mw, with just html pages
[02:16:12] <jlerner>	^demon: true
[02:16:19] <Random832>	i wanted to make the .html disappear
[02:16:30] <Random832>	and for it to redirect if they have the link with the .html
[02:17:11] <jlerner>	this doesn't work for me as expected: $wgLang->getMessage( .. )
[02:17:20] <jlerner>	anyone know how to tell if a message exists?
[02:17:51] <^demon>	Smaug: Renaming the namespaces in your language files will work. The modified name will be displayed, but the original name will work also. Which is why http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bon_article redirects to http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Bon_article automatically.
[02:18:55] <Smaug>	ok. thanks for the suggestion, will try it out.  (by the way, I assume by language file you mean /domain/w/languages/Language.php)
[02:20:48] <^demon>	Stupid question...if you have the namespace number, what's the fastest way to get the associated namespace name?
[02:21:07] <Smaug>	^demon: from wikitext? {{ns:#}}
[02:21:15] <^demon>	No, from in the code...
[02:21:15] <flyingparchment>	^demon: a method in Language ($wgContLang) with an obvious name i forget
[02:21:40] <Smaug>	^demon: is the "language file" languages/Language.php?  because I can't find what I'm supposed to change in there
[02:22:01] <jlerner>	you can't reference $wgCanonicalNamespaceNames ? 
[02:22:15] <flyingparchment>	jlerner: that's not translated, is it?
[02:22:19] <jlerner>	Smaug: don't edit Language.php
[02:22:20] <jlerner>	flyingparchment: true
[02:22:42] <Smaug>	jlerner: what is the "language file" I'm supposed to edit then?
[02:22:51] <Werdna>	^demon: check $wgContLang's code.
[02:22:55] <Smaug>	MessagesEn.php?
[02:23:01] <^demon>	Smaug: Yes
[02:23:04] <Smaug>	ty
[02:23:11] <jlerner>	Smaug: you should be able to make the namespace name change in LocalSettings.php.. i think
[02:23:36] <jlerner>	in general, don't edit the core..usually you don't have to
[02:24:19] <Smaug>	you mean in LocalSettings.php, should I do define("NS_NEW", #), where # overwrites the number of the original namespace?
[02:24:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagged bots to have exeption from spamlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13706  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[02:24:42] <flyingparchment>	Smaug: what are you trying to do?
[02:24:51] <jlerner>	rename a namespace...
[02:26:05] <Dantman>	!wg ExtraNamespaces | jlerner
[02:26:05] --mwbot--	jlerner: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgExtraNamespaces
[02:26:17] <flyingparchment>	Smaug: which one?
[02:26:37] <jlerner>	Smaug wants to rename one of the core namespaces...
[02:26:38] <Dantman>	Last time I checked ExtraNamespaces override existing ones to
[02:26:43] <jlerner>	hm
[02:26:45] <jlerner>	ok
[02:26:53] <^demon>	Wow, didn't know that.
[02:27:16] <jlerner>	Smaug: worth a try
[02:29:11] <Smaug>	flyingparchment: the user namesapce
[02:29:25] <Smaug>	Dantman: really? then i'll try that
[02:32:04] <Hydrant>	Hey all... I'm looking to permit only certain uses to upload PDF files to my wiki, is there a way to do that?
[02:35:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (aaron)
[02:35:52] <Smaug>	jlerner, Dantman,  ^demon: thank you guys, it worked!
[02:36:02] <jlerner>	sweet
[02:36:18] <Smaug>	i used $wgExtraNamespaces and define("name", #)
[02:37:51] <Dantman>	You don't need to define a PHP constant
[02:38:11] <Dantman>	The ones there are just for programming use
[02:39:38] <Smaug>	yeah, but then if I need that for other programming I can use my new defined constant instead of the old one
[02:39:55] <Smaug>	or in addition to
[02:50:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Improve "Database locked" error message when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13746 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (davidcraig5)
[02:51:48] <ravedave>	Thought I'd say something here before entering a bug
[02:53:20] <ravedave>	Does anyone else think that wikipedia's pages are in need of a through speing cleaning as far as useability?
[02:53:25] <ravedave>	spring
[02:53:35] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Improve "Database locked" error message when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13746  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[02:53:50] <ravedave>	For example: Special:watchlist
[02:53:50] <amidaniel>	ravedave: Come again?
[02:54:00] <ravedave>	The top of it is just a mishmash of items
[02:54:52] <ravedave>	thourghly 1/2 of my webpage real estate is taken up by the header
[02:55:13] <amidaniel>	You mean starting at Below are the last 369 changes, as of 02:54, 15 April 2008. ?
[02:56:01] <ravedave>	amidanial, yeah. It's starting to look like one of those old VB apps with 100 buttons and tabs
[02:56:28] <amidaniel>	Yeah, not the prettiest thing ever
[02:56:29] <ravedave>	hah for example:
[02:56:30] <ravedave>	http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000734.html
[02:56:35] <amidaniel>	Consistent with the rest of the interface, however.
[02:57:06] <amidaniel>	Hmm .. that looks like something I might have written :)
[02:57:33] <ravedave>	and hey, I'm not saying I dont do the same thing
[02:57:41] <ravedave>	it's not just special:watchlist
[02:58:14] <ravedave>	I think the whole of the special:blah pages need someone who's good at graphic design/UI to take a look
[02:58:19] <ravedave>	worth a bug?
[02:58:41] <ravedave>	Also it might be worth checking them for consistency
[03:03:30] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33325 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak
[03:03:34] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Improve "Database locked" error message when editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13746  +comment (10davidcraig5)
[03:06:17] <amidaniel>	Sorry, my wireless crashed. Did I miss anything?
[03:07:08] <ravedave>	uhm
[03:07:27] <ravedave>	basically: Is it worth entering a bug, to which I have already decided yes
[03:07:34] <ravedave>	but not externalized :P
[03:08:34] <amidaniel>	ah, k
[03:11:12] <Random832>	incidentally, who rewrote userrights? the new design is better than the old one
[03:11:18] <Mike_lifeguard>	If Special:SpecialPages is any indication, you should make AaronSchulz do it :)
[03:11:49] <Random832>	I'm not sure I like the "disabled checkboxes" motif or the inclusion of boardvote, import, transwiki, developr
[03:12:05] <Random832>	maybe just list the user's current rights as plain text?
[03:13:37] <Random832>	well, it does list them - so what's the point of the "Groups you cannot change" list?
[03:14:03] <Mike_lifeguard>	for information?
[03:14:38] <ravedave>	wow the more I look at stuff the more each special page is totally different
[03:15:11] <Random832>	Mike_lifeguard: but what good is that information?
[03:15:20] <ravedave>	amidaniel - wow the new speical page list is nice! didn't make it into 1.12 I see
[03:15:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	information is intrinsically good
[03:16:12] <amidaniel>	ravedave: Yeah, I think aaron did that
[03:16:24] <Random832>	it provides two pieces of information - the list of permissions the user has (already present above the checkboxes)
[03:16:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	it is relevant when changing rights
[03:16:32] <amidaniel>	Random832: Werdna did the redesign
[03:16:40] <Werdna>	I did indeed
[03:16:47] <Random832>	and the list of all permissions the wiki supports (which I really could give a damn about when giving someone rollback)
[03:17:13] *amidaniel 	tosses Werdna another biscuit
[03:17:21] <Random832>	at least wrap it in a div of its own so i can hide it with CSS
[03:27:07] <^demon>	Stupid question. How could I force a URL in my browser to be a POST instead of GET?
[03:27:31] <carl-m>	a url?
[03:27:44] <^demon>	Yes. If I put a URL in my browser but I wanted it sent as a POST.
[03:28:12] <carl-m>	may have to do it via javascript, usually post is selected for forms, not for urls in the address bar
[03:30:42] <^demon>	Yeah, I know.
[03:35:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Revamping of special pages UI, and creation of MW UI standards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13747 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (davidcraig5)
[03:36:01] <ravedave>	amidaniel - there it is
[03:36:32] <ravedave>	I thought about setting it to "major" for how critical,but thought better of it
[03:41:39] <^demon>	ravedave: I've read some blog posts about the subject before. Trying to dig those up to see if I can find anything relevent.
[03:41:53] <ravedave>	^demon - cool
[03:42:02] <ravedave>	well now there's a tracking bug for it, I guess
[03:42:27] <ravedave>	I'd like to see the same thing that firefox did, hiring designers to do the UI
[03:43:45] <^demon>	While I need getting used to the new SpecialPages listing, I must say the organization is a great improvement.
[03:44:49] <^demon>	ravedave: I must admit, the comments I've seen made haven't been exactly favorable.
[03:45:06] <ravedave>	about MW's UI, or about changing it?
[03:45:47] <^demon>	About its current status.
[03:46:24] <ravedave>	yeah it's bad
[03:47:10] <ravedave>	Special pages are made for developer/editor type people, so they probably have a higher tolerance for this sort of thing
[03:47:14] <MrZ-man>	AaronSchulz: does the ConfirmAccount extension use AntiSpoof?
[03:47:28] <AaronSchulz>	no
[03:47:34] <AaronSchulz>	I was looking at that earlier
[03:55:30] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33326 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Clean up log grouping
[03:55:55] <Random832>	doesn't mean it doesn't suck
[03:56:06] <Random832>	and why are talk pages sometimes showing up on watchlist editing? is there something in the works?
[03:57:20] <^demon>	ravedave: I'm going to add myself to the CC list for that bug. I can't remember where I read that stuff before, but I'll have to dig it up later.
[03:57:36] <ravedave>	ok, no biggie. 
[03:58:17] <ravedave>	I'm guessing it will get done in the same timeframe as SUL
[04:01:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Revamping of special pages UI, and creation of MW UI standards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13747  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[04:01:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10innocentkiller)
[04:04:45] <meco>	Reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VideoFlash, the text refers to extensions/videoflash.php. Where is this file located?
[04:06:03] <OverlordQ>	$wpdir/extensions?
[04:06:36] <OverlordQ>	Upload videoflash.php to your $IP/extensions directory. rather
[04:07:56] <meco>	I'm just an administrator. I take what you write to mean that only people with shell access can make modifications to this file?
[04:08:20] <Werdna>	installing extensions may only be done by people with shell and/or db access
[04:08:32] <meco>	db?
[04:09:01] <meco>	What's db?
[04:09:48] <^demon>	database.
[04:10:27] <meco>	And does the same restriction apply for making changes to the extensions/videoflash.php as for installing it?
[04:10:53] <^demon>	Yes. You have to be able to access the files on the server itself to install/configure/edit extensions.
[04:11:11] <meco>	Appreciated
[04:11:15] <^demon>	No problem.
[04:11:22] <jlerner>	anyone done any a/b testing with mediawiki?
[04:11:27] <jlerner>	i have two home page designs to test...
[04:28:59] <facefaceface>	I upgraded to 1.12, and now I cant upload images. "Error cant create 'public/e/ed'"
[04:29:24] <facefaceface>	I changed the perms on images to very permissive, but still the same error
[04:29:49] <^demon>	What is "very permissive?"
[04:29:57] <facefaceface>	lemmy check...
[04:30:28] <facefaceface>	drwxrwxrwx ?
[04:31:04] <millosh>	anyone here familiar with -{ ... }- markup?
[04:31:24] <facefaceface>	millosh, I think your in the right place...
[04:31:26] <millosh>	it is an exception markup for languages which need transliteration
[04:31:43] <facefaceface>	'Could not create directory "public/e/eb"' <- where is it trying to create that?
[04:31:46] <millosh>	:)
[04:32:17] <facefaceface>	millosh, doh!
[04:32:39] <facefaceface>	millosh, I thought you meant straight wiki syntax
[04:32:49] <millosh>	:)
[04:32:55] <millosh>	it is mw specific syntax
[04:33:00] <facefaceface>	Internal error
[04:36:10] <facefaceface>	can anyone help me debug this? 'Internal error Could not create directory "public/e/eb".' <- I did everything I can think of
[04:36:17] <facefaceface>	hello dungodung 
[04:36:26] <millosh>	oh
[04:36:28] <millosh>	i think i know
[04:36:35] <millosh>	it is in the images directory
[04:36:55] <^demon>	Facefaceface's error? Yes, it is.
[04:37:07] <dungodung>	hi facefaceface 
[04:37:32] <facefaceface>	images has all permissions set ... drwxrwxrwx
[04:37:59] <amidaniel>	facefaceface: What version of mw are you on? This could be an image-magick problem
[04:38:01] <Dantman>	O_O evil permissions!
[04:38:28] <Dantman>	Btw, if it's a 500 error, some hosts give you that error if you open up permissions like that
[04:38:29] <^demon>	Dantman: He said he's 0777
[04:38:38] <Dantman>	Ya... that's evil
[04:38:42] <Dantman>	World writeable
[04:38:45] <facefaceface>	amidaniel, ahhh 1.12
[04:38:50] <facefaceface>	lemmy check the magick
[04:38:55] <amidaniel>	facefaceface: Oh, no, shouldn't be an issue then.
[04:39:00] <^demon>	Dantman: Wouldn't 0666 be good enough?
[04:39:14] <amidaniel>	facefaceface: Do verify that the subdirectories are writeable
[04:39:22] <amidaniel>	^demon: No, it needs the x bit
[04:39:41] <facefaceface>	cd images; touch test <- no problem
[04:39:44] <OverlordQ>	655
[04:39:59] <Dantman>	rwxr-----, is best... Of course you need to make the webserver the group
[04:40:07] <facefaceface>	no imagemagic in path!
[04:40:09] <^demon>	amidaniel: Blah, you're right.
[04:40:30] <Dantman>	Nowait... rw-r-----
[04:40:33] <amidaniel>	Dantman: No, the webserver needs to write to the directory
[04:40:36] <amidaniel>	And cd to it
[04:40:37] <Dantman>	Oh ya
[04:40:43] <Dantman>	rw-rw----
[04:40:45] <millosh>	no
[04:40:56] <millosh>	rwxr-xr-x
[04:41:00] <millosh>	755 for dir
[04:41:07] <amidaniel>	millosh: For the image cache
[04:41:16] <amidaniel>	The webserver needs to be able to write to the directory and cd to it
[04:41:19] <amidaniel>	Trust me :)
[04:41:21] <millosh>	if it is dir, than x is needed
[04:41:28] <facefaceface>	yum install ImageMagick-devel
[04:41:37] <millosh>	then, it is the best to have rwxrwxrwx
[04:41:47] <millosh>	so, he has a good permissions
[04:41:47] <Dantman>	Other doesn't need any permissions
[04:42:03] <millosh>	webserver is not necessary in the same group
[04:42:04] <facefaceface>	but no magick :D
[04:42:11] <amidaniel>	Dantman: That would depend on how your groups are set up. In his case, I imagine it's not going to be a big deal how he has it configured
[04:42:22] <facefaceface>	I think I share a group with apache
[04:42:24] *amidaniel 	growls
[04:42:28] <facefaceface>	or vice verse
[04:42:31] <Dantman>	Actually, you get security errors in some installations when you give other read permissions
[04:42:38] <millosh>	facefaceface, than rwxrwx---
[04:42:45] <Dantman>	^_^ Trust me... I got paid $10 because of that kind of 500 error
[04:42:46] <facefaceface>	millosh, then
[04:42:47] <millosh>	770
[04:42:51] <millosh>	then :)
[04:42:54] <amidaniel>	Dantman: It's not a 500 error
[04:42:56] <facefaceface>	;-) 
[04:43:13] <Dantman>	umask 007
[04:43:19] <Dantman>	That would do the trick
[04:43:36] <facefaceface>	doh! I installed magic... same error should I config it?
[04:44:05] <amidaniel>	Ah, no .. if you weren't using imagemagick before then that's not the issue
[04:44:09] <Splarka>	sometimes (rarely) it happens that there is a file already at the name of the folder it is trying to create
[04:44:25] <amidaniel>	Splarka: Ah, good point
[04:44:35] <amidaniel>	I believe we fixed it so it produces a better error message, though
[04:44:37] <Splarka>	and that can drive someone insane trying to debug
[04:44:44] <Splarka>	heh
[04:44:48] <facefaceface>	I don't see any dir called public
[04:44:50] <amidaniel>	facefaceface: Can you sudo su apache and try to touch a file in the directory?
[04:45:31] <facefaceface>	su apache -> This account is currently not available.!
[04:46:24] <amidaniel>	Well, whatever your webserver's account is then
[04:46:35] <facefaceface>	I thought it was apache!
[04:46:48] <amidaniel>	Oh, wait, hold on ... there is no public directory in the images/ path?
[04:46:55] <facefaceface>	nope
[04:47:09] <amidaniel>	hmm .. I wonder if that could be the issue
[04:47:23] <amidaniel>	I remember problems with it trying to create files in paths that didn't yet exist
[04:47:30] <Werdna>	anybody know anything about wireshark?
[04:47:40] <amidaniel>	It should logically create the path and then create the file, but I remember there being an issue there
[04:47:42] <facefaceface>	oh!
[04:47:43] <facefaceface>	no
[04:47:43] <Zach>	!passwordsql
[04:47:43] --mwbot--	UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT("12345-",MD5("password"))) WHERE user_id=12345;  This will reset the password for the user with user_id 12345.  Replace that with the desired ID (there are two places it's used in the query!).  If you know a user's name but need to find out their ID, use: SELECT user_id FROM user WHERE user_name='Bob Smith';
[04:47:44] <amidaniel>	Werdna: Yeah, whatcha need?
[04:47:52] <Zach>	ok.
[04:47:55] <Werdna>	amidaniel: I'm only getting traffic in one direction
[04:47:58] <Werdna>	so I get this packet:
[04:48:02] <Zach>	why is that not instead something like this:
[04:48:12] <Werdna>	14:42:19.914585 IP gcentralrouter.local.32770 > a.root-servers.net.domain: 54108% [1au] PTR? 100.67.35.10.in-addr.arpa. (54)
[04:48:20] <Werdna>	but not the response.
[04:48:34] <amidaniel>	Werdna: Do you have any filters on?
[04:48:37] <facefaceface>	gah... I guess this is selinux :(
[04:48:39] <Zach>	UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT(user_id,"-",MD5("password"))) WHERE user_name="Joe_Smith";
[04:48:42] <Werdna>	amidaniel: no
[04:48:45] <Werdna>	amidaniel: that's from tcpdump
[04:48:50] <Werdna>	$ sudo tcpdump
[04:48:55] <Zach>	then you don't have to tell them to do the extra query to get the userID
[04:49:12] <Zach>	i tested it, it works
[04:49:40] <amidaniel>	Werdna: Erm ...
[04:50:04] <facefaceface>	thanks for help - bbl 
[04:50:58] <amidaniel>	Werdna: So you have wireshark capturing an interface and it's only capturing sent packets, not received?
[04:51:08] <Zach>	amidaniel: i tried browsing through the mwbot source, but i couldn't find out where the commands are defined, otherwise, i'd just email you a patch
[04:53:16] <Splarka>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/14/undersea_cable_cut_ships_nabbed/    pingwned
[04:53:49] <amidaniel>	@dump
[04:53:49] --mwbot--	A dump is now available at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html
[04:53:53] <amidaniel>	!passwordsql del
[04:53:53] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: passwordsql
[04:53:57] <amidaniel>	!passwordsql is UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT(user_id, "-", MD5("password"))) WHERE user_name='John_Smith';  This will reset the password for the user with user_name 'John Smith'.  Replace 'John_Smith' with the desired username.
[04:53:57] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: passwordsql
[04:54:01] <amidaniel>	voila
[04:54:34] <Zach>	neat
[04:54:41] <Zach>	that was bugging me since january
[04:54:48] <amidaniel>	lmao
[04:54:52] <amidaniel>	Should have nagged someone sooner
[04:55:14] <Zach>	i didn't know until I pm'ed !help to it a few days ago
[04:55:42] <amidaniel>	Btw, wikimedia/* is on the trusted list, so you can rearrange his lil brains however you want as well :)
[04:56:05] <Zach>	ok, so i can do this:
[04:56:14] <Zach>	!zach is a cool dude
[04:56:14] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: zach
[04:56:20] <Zach>	:P
[04:56:22] <amidaniel>	Indeedy
[04:56:25] <amidaniel>	!zach del
[04:56:25] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: zach
[04:56:27] <amidaniel>	Please don't though :)
[04:56:33] <Zach>	heh alright
[04:56:39] <Splarka>	braaains
[04:56:42] <Zach>	;) i would've del'ed it after :P
[04:56:57] <amidaniel>	uh-huh, sure
[04:57:03] *amidaniel 	kickbans Zach for being a troll
[04:57:06] <Zach>	O:)
[05:38:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Revert to this version" link for admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:45:28] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33327 10/trunk/extensions/Newuserlog/Newuserlog.php: $wgRCTypeGroupedLogs
[05:48:37] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33328 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: No need to store key here
[05:54:12] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33329 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Add hook to give extensions a chance to block requests, like antispoof
[05:59:44] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Even if "Add pages I create to my watchlist" is set, uploading an image does not automatically watch it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13725  +comment (10matthew.flaschen)
[06:11:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Even if "Add pages I create to my watchlist" is set, uploading an image does not automatically watch it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13725  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:22:08] <AaronSchulz>	<b>Warning</b>:  setcookie() expects at most 6 parameters, 7 given in <b>C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\includes\User.php</b> on line <b>1980</b><br />
[06:22:21] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna?
[06:23:13] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: needs php>5.2
[06:23:26] <Werdna>	http://php.net/setcookie
[06:23:34] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: how abou conditional, afaik we still support 5.x
[06:23:42] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33330 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: Revert strange dest check from r17248 (bug 13725)
[06:23:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Even if "Add pages I create to my watchlist" is set, uploading an image does not automatically watch it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13725  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:49:20] <scubasjl>	Is their any sites that offer paid skins?
[06:57:11] <tale>	scubasjl: Probably good web designers can do Mediawiki skins for you if you pay them.
[06:57:31] <tale>	It's not that different from other CSS use.
[06:58:13] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: I couldn't find answer to this earlier or on my own, thought you might know a way (or anyone, for that matter). Give a namespace number, what's the easiest way to get the namespace constant associated with it?
[06:59:07] <scubasjl>	Tale - thanks didnt no, looked at the free ones nothing cought my eye, I can program, figured I would save sometime maybe buy one or find a free one.
[07:01:41] <dcrochet>	hi, I have a problem whith OggHandle extension that i install for WikimediaFrance wiki web site. I can read one .ogg files, but after, if i want to read an another, the java player say me "Not Allowed on htt..." so, from what the problem can come. Thanks for your answers.
[07:05:36] <OverlordQ>	^demon: you mean to go from like 2 to NS_MAIN?
[07:09:09] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Yes.
[07:09:35] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Not 2 to MAIN, of course, but yes that's the idea.
[07:14:24] <dpotte1>	I wish to do the following: {{#if: condition| <onlyinclude> I only want to see this, not the rest of the article|}}  lots of junk out here won't be seen if condition is true.
[07:14:38] <juc0>	In order to backup, do I just need to take an SQL dump and a copy of the mediawiki directory?
[07:15:14] <dpotte1>	But I find that <onlyinclude> is taking precedence over the #if, and it doesn't matter whether or not the condition is true.  Recommendations?
[07:16:01] <OverlordQ>	^dont really know if there is one
[07:16:38] <Dantman>	Use <noinclude></noinclude> and <includeonly></includeonly>
[07:17:19] <OverlordQ>	^demon: the constants really aren't used anywhere but the messages
[07:17:19] <dpotte1>	Dant, I considered that, but it requires editors of the article to put all text additions inside the </includeonly> which is going to cause troubles in my userbase.
[07:17:21] <Dantman>	I've never used <onlyinclude></onlyinclude>... It's a poorly written tag for edge cases and I wouldn't recommend it
[07:17:28] <tale>	!backup | juc0 
[07:17:28] --mwbot--	juc0: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[07:17:32] <Dantman>	Articles!
[07:17:51] <Dantman>	What stupid thing are you doing that requires editors to put parserfunctions in articles?
[07:18:10] <Dantman>	Logical functions NEVER belong in articles, that's what we have template abstraction for
[07:19:16] <dpotte1>	I want to put the parserfunction in a template, but I want to be able to transclude the article as {{:articlename|conditionistrue}}, allowing me only to see the <onlyinlude> portion I mentioned above.
[07:19:30] <dpotte1>	so the parserfunctions belong in the template, not in the article
[07:19:33] <juc0>	Thanks tale 
[07:19:51] <^demon>	OverlordQ: I'm trying to make $wgCapitalLinks work on a per-namespace setting. So far, I was setting it up like $wgCapitalLinks['NS_MAIN'] = true, etc etc.
[07:19:53] <Dantman>	In other words... You want to transclude a small piece of the page instead of the whole thing
[07:20:13] <Dantman>	This is not the purpose of the includeonly, noinclude, onlyinclude
[07:20:18] <Dantman>	Those are for template work
[07:20:29] <Dantman>	What you want is a hidden section
[07:20:40] <Dantman>	I suggest installing either DPL or LST
[07:20:42] <^demon>	OverlordQ: For each of the constants. And anywhere $wgCapitalLinks is used, I'm replacing it with the appropriate namespace constant. If you can think of a better way, I'm more than open to ideas.
[07:21:02] <dpotte1>	hmmm... I am not familiar with hidden sections or DPL or LST.  Can these be controlled conditionally?
[07:21:10] <Dantman>	Even better
[07:21:33] <dpotte1>	DPL and LST are extensions?
[07:21:42] <Dantman>	You can annotate text with <section begin=somename />...text here...<section end=somename />
[07:21:43] <Dantman>	Yes
[07:22:04] <Dantman>	DPL borrowed some functionality from LST
[07:22:50] <dpotte1>	Dantman, thanks very much  - I am searching for them now
[07:23:02] <Dantman>	In DPL you would use {{#dpl:mode=userformat|page=Pagename|include=somename}} and in LST you would use {{#lst:Pagename|somename}}
[07:23:26] <Dantman>	Just a FYI; DPL= Dynamic Page List; LST= Labled Section Transclusion
[07:23:35] <Dantman>	Take a look at the extension pages on MediaWiki.org
[07:23:43] <Dantman>	The DPL pages on meta are out of date
[07:23:50] <dpotte1>	Yep, I found em.
[07:24:08] <Dantman>	Time for bed... :/ With a head pounding in pain...
[07:24:09] <^demon>	Dantman: So DPL was used, then DPL2, then DPL again?
[07:24:15] <dpotte1>	Thanks for the help, dantman
[07:24:16] <^demon>	I never understood that.
[07:24:16] <Dantman>	Ya
[07:25:00] <Dantman>	Basically, DPL was the original, someone else created a completely new extension and called it DPL2, and then the original DPL extension absorbed those updates and continued to improve further
[07:25:14] <^demon>	Gotcha.
[07:25:48] <Dantman>	^_^ And for more confusion... We also have DPLForums... Which is a completely different subbranch which AFAIK doesn't even hook into the DPL code...
[07:25:56] <^demon>	Figures.
[07:26:18] <Dantman>	I wish more wiki using the new DPL would also install LST
[07:26:29] <^demon>	I must confess I haven't used LST yet.
[07:26:35] <Dantman>	They have compatibility changes which make them compatible
[07:26:49] <Dantman>	Ya, DPL's include= does almost everything LST does
[07:27:06] <Dantman>	However, it doesn't have proper support for exclusions or transcluding from the same page
[07:27:29] <Dantman>	So as a result, you can't use DPL for the nice handy archive trick you can use LST for
[07:27:54] <^demon>	I see, I see.
[07:28:04] <Dantman>	^_^ you basically go to your talkpage... Stick all the stuff you want to archive inside of section tags with name=archive
[07:28:08] <^demon>	Personally, I can't wait for InstantCommons :-P
[07:28:56] <Dantman>	Then you go to a empty archive subpage, paste in {{subst:#lst:User talk:Username|archive}} and it coppies over all those sections
[07:28:56] <Werdna>	they've been talking about instantcommons since I started
[07:28:58] <Werdna>	~2006.
[07:29:11] <^demon>	Likewise, and I started around the same time.
[07:29:22] <dpotte1>	In my case, I don't want this text to be displayed unless condition is true (and if it is, I only want this text displayed).  Am I going to be able to <noinclude><section begin=alt>stuff<section end=alt></noinclude>?  (this would all be templated)
[07:29:39] <Dantman>	Then you go back to your own talkpage, and stick in {{subst:#lstx:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|archive}} and it strips out all the archive sections
[07:29:51] <^demon>	Werdna: The thing that's really holding it up is the lack of Export class for images...that could easily be wrapped into the API and served for something like instantcommons.
[07:30:31] <Dantman>	Mah... I have no clue what strange case he's trying to do... so... time for bed
[07:31:00] <dpotte1>	lol I fail.
[07:32:10] <^demon>	Werdna: It's something I would /love/ to take on and complete, I just lack the time to put into that.
[07:53:08] <_wooz>	lo
[08:02:09] <Gethux_w>	hello there
[08:02:49] <Gethux_w>	could someone point me to the "easier" way to delete all pages/articles created by unwanted users?
[08:03:39] <Nikerabbit>	nuke extension?
[08:03:55] <Gethux_w>	well no directly in the database?
[08:05:01] <Gethux_w>	i miss configured my wiki perms, and it appears that some chinease folks flooded my wiki with new accounts and created hell lot of pages 
[08:05:19] <Gethux_w>	i fixed the perms and deleted users
[08:05:32] <Gethux_w>	now i'd love to remove unwanted pages/articles
[08:07:35] <Gethux_w>	i don't find in tables where the user is linked to pages
[08:07:45] <scubasjl>	anyone setup the google analytics integration extension? wondering is the code verification instant never used it before
[08:11:51] <BartVB>	it's pretty close to instant
[08:12:00] <BartVB>	but first check the source of your pages to see if the code is really there
[08:13:32] <fog_proxy>	Hi all. How to add color to a text line?
[08:13:43] <Gethux_w>	any one has an idea?
[08:13:48] <fog_proxy>	Is there any mediawiki plugin for that?
[08:15:16] <BartVB>	fog_proxy, you could use something like <span style="color:red"> IIRC
[08:15:43] <fog_proxy>	BartVB: ah, thanks, let me try
[08:15:57] <BartVB>	Gethux_w, check out: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[08:16:14] <fog_proxy>	BartVB: good, it's works, thank you
[08:16:26] <BartVB>	np
[08:19:24] <scubasjl>	Just my luck haha it isnt in the page source 
[08:20:56] <scubasjl>	I will try the other one
[08:25:19] <BartVB>	scubasjl, it's approx 10 seconds work to just add the code to your Mediawiki skin :)
[08:26:36] <BartVB>	Is there a userfriendly way to allow my users to upload video? There are plenty of extensions that allow embedding of external video but I want to keep everything local. Haven't found anything to do that yet.
[08:26:37] <scubasjl>	wow your right, its just late tired prolly not a good idea to install extensions. Thanks I'll just do that
[08:31:19] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33331 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/config.ini: + sasa stefanovic
[08:49:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Even if "Add pages I create to my watchlist" is set, uploading an image does not automatically watch it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13725  (10matthew.flaschen)
[08:55:55] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33332 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/config.ini: +brane jovanovic
[08:59:43] <Agony|>	Anyone else having problems wit " Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript)" ([[Special:Settings]]->Recent changes)? My Opera 9.27 (build 8841) render some log events under recent log event name (like in fiwiki user Kooma moved article Pencey prep to correct name and deleted wrongly named redirect, rended recent changes list both events under "Pencey prep" red link...)
[09:04:58] <CIA-48>	03tstarling * r33333 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
[09:04:58] <CIA-48>	In User:
[09:04:58] <CIA-48>	* Defer load of groups data
[09:04:58] <CIA-48>	* Introduce newFromRow()/loadFromRow() to allow bulk loading of user objects from a result set
[09:04:58] <CIA-48>	* Hook email and email authentication save/load to allow CentralAuth to provide a global email address
[09:05:02] <CIA-48>	* Defer save of user data after confirmEmail() and invalidateEmail(). Caller must now also call saveSettings(). This reduces the master query count in some code paths.
[09:05:05] <CIA-48>	Elsewhere:
[09:09:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Critical error in DynamicPageList2 extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13709  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[09:11:02] <Gethux_w>	how may i delete all pages ant articles not written by a specified user?
[09:14:10] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33334 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/templates/index.html.tmpl: localization
[09:14:56] <CIA-48>	03tstarling * r33335 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
[09:14:56] <CIA-48>	* Moved all hooks to CentralAuthHooks.php, made them static member functions.
[09:14:56] <CIA-48>	* Use wfWikiID() instead of $wgDBname to identify wikis.
[09:14:56] <CIA-48>	* Cache the CentralAuthUser object as a member variable of the User object
[09:14:57] <CIA-48>	* Fix accidental hardcoding of the centralauth DB name
[09:14:59] <CIA-48>	* Add global email address feature as promised.
[09:15:01] <CIA-48>	* Introduce CentralAuthUser::saveSettings(), analogous to User::saveSettings(), to save email address and auth timestamp
[09:22:34] <CIA-48>	03siebrand * r33336 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesGv.php: $fallback back to default ('en')
[09:22:35] <Zach>	damnit, brion, you were supposed to review my code for wikimedia use months ago..
[09:24:34] *Zach 	wonders if TimStarling is qualified for the task
[09:29:27] <TimStarling>	what code?
[09:36:59] <meco>	Is it possible to have a template make a conversion from ISO-10646 to ISO-8859-1?
[09:39:10] <enhydra>	meco, only if you install StringFunctions and do it with a couple of replaces... but why do you need it? MediaWiki uses UTF-8 and nothing else, and you will still get garbage in output
[09:41:02] <meco>	enhydra: To make a call to a Norwegian online dictionary which doesn't understand 10646
[09:41:52] <meco>	It's on Wiktionary
[09:42:32] <enhydra>	meco, ah, you mean Wikimedia installation. no, it is not possible right now, only if you ask someone in Toolserver write a redirector with recoding possibility
[09:42:59] <meco>	appreciated
[09:43:35] <Splarka>	are you trying to do a lazy method of [http://some8859diction.ary/somelookup={{urlencode:{{PAGENAME}}}} look this up elsewheres]  ?
[09:44:19] <Zach>	TimStarling: it's the most basic hook, to add a new tab server side through mediawiki instead of client side with javascript
[09:44:22] <meco>	Splarka: That looks familiar to what I'm working with
[09:44:34] <Zach>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11586
[09:46:01] <Zach>	btw, if you can find a way to get the tab to the right of the talk tab that doesn't involve looping through the array of content_actions (you'll see if you look at the code), i would appreciate it
[09:46:06] <Splarka>	meco: is this for, like, search results if nothing is found?
[09:47:10] <meco>	Splarka: No, it's for referencing Norwegian language word entries
[09:47:36] <Splarka>	so you *could* do it manually for each usage? (I can imagine that would be a huge pain)
[09:49:51] <meco>	Splarka: The regular user applying the template would get completely "lost in translation"
[09:50:56] <Splarka>	heh
[09:51:19] <Splarka>	meco: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7389
[09:52:33] <Gethux_w>	how may i delete all pages ant articles not written by a specified user?
[09:53:24] <^demon>	jlerner: Ping
[09:55:39] <meco>	Splarka: If I read that discussion correctly, someon is proposing a fix for this exact problem which would have to be implemented wikimedia-wide, and so far that's where it stands?
[09:57:00] <meco>	..or mediawiki-wide even
[09:57:31] <Splarka>	indeed
[09:58:01] <meco>	Ok
[09:58:28] <Splarka>	it would be nice to have lots of urlencode options of course...
[09:58:34] <Splarka>	but feature creep is annoying ^_^
[09:59:22] <meco>	Of course, and as I read 8859 is now deprecated, so it's better that sites applying it change to 10646
[09:59:34] <OverlordQ>	no, you must support my new borkbork url encoding scheme
[10:00:05] <meco>	OverlordQ: Only if it's the Next Big Thing..
[10:24:08] <ierpe>	hi there, how can i know if a user is blocked or not? whats the attribute for it`?
[10:24:17] <ierpe>	is it in the user[options]?
[10:24:22] <Werdna>	User::isBlocked
[10:24:42] <Werdna>	what are you trying to do?
[10:27:10] <CIA-48>	03raymond * r33337 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (LogEventsList.php SpecialProtectedpages.php): 
[10:27:10] <CIA-48>	* Add a link to the change protection form for allowed users otherwise a link to the protection log
[10:27:11] <CIA-48>	* Fix double escaping of the hidden field
[10:27:11] <CIA-48>	* Use more XML functions
[10:27:11] <CIA-48>	* Fix a typo in LogEventsList
[10:29:22] <ierpe>	is there a way to delete user and all their related links?
[10:29:51] <ierpe>	hmm i want to delete test users...
[10:30:03] <ierpe>	accounts that have been created for test purpose
[10:30:05] <^demon>	Silly question. What's the @comment for like adding a note.
[10:30:42] <^demon>	I know @since, @author, @todo...
[10:30:58] <^demon>	But I want one for like @note, but I'm not sure what the actual word is.
[10:33:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:34:32] <ierpe>	@fixme
[10:36:42] <CIA-48>	03raymond * r33338 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Add a fixed bug from r33197
[10:37:43] <Dimitry>	hi. 
[10:38:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request mailing list creation for Wikimedia Blog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13741  (10meno25wiki)
[10:38:36] <Dimitry>	im using mw 1.12.0  and now when i try to delete a page..or move..or protect i got an error message. : Internal Error" nothing more
[10:38:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712  (10camway)
[10:40:57] <siebrand>	we have a non-prefixed query somewhere.
[10:41:10] <siebrand>	Query: SELECT  user.*  FROM `bw_watchlist`,`bw_user`  WHERE (wl_user=user_id) AND wl_title = 'Protect-level-sysop/arz' AND wl_namespace = '8' AND (wl_user <> 966) AND (wl_notificationtimestamp IS NULL)
[10:41:14] <siebrand>	Function: EmailNotification::actuallyNotifyOnPageChange
[10:41:17] <siebrand>	Error: 1051 Unknown table 'user' (localhost)
[10:42:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) When looking at difflinks, the status of the respective versions should show - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13748 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[10:42:34] <siebrand>	probably introduced between before r33336
[10:43:26] <siebrand>	I think it is in 33336.
[10:43:31] <siebrand>	ehr: 33333
[10:45:22] <siebrand>	could it be: trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: +				$res = $dbr->select( array( 'watchlist', 'user' ), array( 'user.*' 
[10:49:37] <jlerner>	^demon: hi
[10:54:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Position of flagging box in difflinks is inconsistent and not useful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13749 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[11:05:33] <CIA-48>	03rotem * r33339 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[11:06:01] <CIA-48>	03mfarag * r33340 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAr.php MessagesArz.php): Update
[11:07:45] <CIA-48>	03rotem * r33341 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Typo.
[11:08:26] <Gethux_w>	hey there, what's the easier way to remove all pages/articles from unwanted users??
[11:08:55] <Raymond_>	!nuke | Gethux_w 
[11:08:55] --mwbot--	Gethux_w: I don't know anything about "nuke".
[11:08:58] <Raymond_>	hm
[11:09:04] <Raymond_>	Gethux_w: the nuke extension
[11:09:13] <Gethux_w>	oh
[11:09:14] <CIA-48>	03emil * r33342 10/trunk/extensions/WhosOnline/WhosOnline.i18n.php: Danish translation for WhosOnline extension
[11:09:20] <Gethux_w>	ok let me check that
[11:09:35] <Gethux_w>	i got my wiki totally flooded that's way awfull
[11:12:43] <Gethux_w>	Raymond_: what about the maintenance/deleteBatch.php script?
[11:13:21] <Raymond_>	Gethux_w: maybe. I don't know anything abput this script.
[11:13:41] <Gethux_w>	well not sure how this one works
[11:15:16] <scubasjl>	Will media wiki ever have a backend for Admins?
[11:18:04] <Gethux_w>	Raymond_: isn"'t there something more automatic?
[11:18:17] <Gethux_w>	got 620users to delete content from :(
[11:18:44] <scubasjl>	ouch have fun :(, ASK the community to help delete maybe?
[11:18:48] <Raymond_>	Gethux_w: not that I am aware... 
[11:20:26] <Gethux_w>	scubasjl: bah that's a personnal forum
[11:20:32] <Gethux_w>	i'm the community :p
[11:20:38] <Gethux_w>	s/forum/wiki/
[11:20:56] <scubasjl>	Didnt no just been hearing you talk about the spam you got tonight
[11:21:07] <Gethux_w>	i'd love to find the link between the mysql tables to have them all deleted in a row 
[11:21:27] <Gethux_w>	scubasjl: well i discovered the spam this morning
[11:21:42] <Gethux_w>	that's totally my fault btw
[11:23:10] <scubasjl>	well next time you will be better prepared, its a learning experience not a good one sadly
[11:23:38] <Gethux_w>	yeah i allready deleted all the users from the database
[11:24:12] <Gethux_w>	i found the reference between page and text tables
[11:24:31] <Gethux_w>	but can't find where the user that own the page is referenced to
[11:27:23] <witozzo>	hi, is there a way to set up mediawiki so that I can allow registration only through invitation?
[11:30:07] <scubasjl>	I'm sure you could incorporate an invite system to do it
[11:30:17] <Raymond_>	witozzo: have a look to the ConfirmAccount extension
[11:30:29] <witozzo>	ok, thanks ;)
[11:32:09] <Gethux_w>	scubasjl: well i guess that modifying Nuke to reverse user by !user would help me a lot :)
[11:33:10] <scubasjl>	Yea mass delete pages, 
[11:33:22] <scubasjl>	that solves your problem their
[11:33:37] <Gethux_w>	yeah the problem is that there's 627 users that posted
[11:33:49] <Gethux_w>	i just want to keep pages/articles from one
[11:34:40] <Gethux_w>	and i'm totally bad at php :(
[11:35:49] <scubasjl>	I can only understand and edit php a little, I get by with what i can do
[11:38:45] <witozzo>	exit
[11:40:50] <Gethux_w>	this sounds like a major pain in my a**
[11:41:09] <ierpe>	lol i just arrived and thats the first message i saw! ^^
[11:41:36] <scubasjl>	Haha not a great way to start off the night
[11:41:40] <scubasjl>	well morning here
[11:42:12] <ierpe>	afternoon here! ^^
[11:42:22] <Gethux_w>	ah it's start of afternoon here ;)
[11:42:57] <Gethux_w>	scubasjl: i guess i'll export my articles to xml using export function, then gonna wipe all the database, the import them back
[11:43:01] <Gethux_w>	could work :)
[11:43:40] <scubasjl>	Hopefully it does, be a great blog article to pump some traffic to a site :)
[11:45:30] <Gethux_w>	argh exporting a page and all subpages isn't that easy :(
[11:45:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Position of flagging box in difflinks is inconsistent and not useful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13749  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:46:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for an adaptive rating form for better usability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13744  (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:46:36] <Gethux_w>	mmmh how do i create categories?
[11:47:09] <scubasjl>	I havent figure that one out, i just made pages so far and subpages, never used a wiki before so i'm learning
[11:47:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagged Revision Box is above categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13629  (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:50:59] <scubasjl>	i dont even no what namespace is yet
[11:52:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (innocentkiller)
[11:52:26] <ierpe>	i would like not to display blocked users in the user list. The problem is that when user list generates the list, it treats rows and not user object, so i cant use the isBlocked() from the user.php
[11:55:05] <Werdna>	ierpe: you'll need to do a join
[11:55:14] <ierpe>	hmm ok
[11:55:37] <CIA-48>	03werdna * r33343 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Don't give PHP warnings for PHP<5.2
[11:55:56] <AaronSchulz>	\o/
[11:56:16] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: I had that in my working copy for like 3 hours
[11:56:19] <Werdna>	but I got sidetracked
[11:57:57] <Gethux_w>	ok let's wipe all that sh***
[11:58:28] <siebrand>	werdna: could you please check out an issue in r33333? I updated to this version but got db errors about unknown table 'users'
[11:58:57] <Werdna>	IIRC it was in enotif
[11:59:18] <siebrand>	werdna: has it been fixed yet?
[11:59:27] <Werdna>	no
[12:00:46] <siebrand>	werdna: I thought it might be UserMailer.php line365, but not sure.
[12:01:44] <ierpe>	i installed the messaging system from the social profile, but it wont take characters like ü ö, anything with .. on the letters.. any idea what it is? or what php function does that?
[12:10:27] <Gethux_w>	scubasjl: problem solved :)
[12:10:42] <Gethux_w>	hopefully i don't have too much pages
[12:11:04] <scubasjl>	Sweet good thinking on your part
[12:12:22] <^demon>	Werdna: I finally got my $wgCapitalLinks working per-namespace.
[12:18:07] <^demon>	jlerner: Ping
[12:18:13] <jlerner>	hiya
[12:19:01] <^demon>	jlerner: Just a few minor tweaks and $wgCapitalLinks will work per-namespace.
[12:19:27] <jlerner>	nice
[12:19:29] <jlerner>	need help testing?
[12:19:45] <^demon>	Not just yet. I have one last major hurdle, and I'm not sure how to go about it.
[12:20:05] <Gethux_w>	scubasjl: would have been a major headache if i had more pages.... only 35pages hopefully :)
[12:20:10] <^demon>	I wrote a new static method into Namespace (Namespace::isUpperCaseNS) to check if a given namespace should be upper-cased.
[12:20:51] <^demon>	The only bit I'm having trouble with is Ajax.php, because when it checks $wgCapitalLinks, it doesn't have a NS yet (pre-Title kickoff)...so I'm not sure what to do there.
[12:21:20] <scubasjl>	Gethux_w: very well done
[12:21:37] <^demon>	Also, setting the whole variable to true/false will enabled/disable it sitewide, and override the array.
[12:25:46] <^demon>	jlerner: Here's the new method for Namespace.php: http://pastey.net/85810, also, it's bug 13750, if you want to keep track.
[12:26:37] <jlerner>	gotcha
[12:27:19] <thermoman>	why can't mediawiki just use the f*cking local timezone?
[12:27:37] <thermoman>	i don't get MW to get the right daylight saving offset
[12:27:46] <thermoman>	but date() in php works just fine
[12:28:54] <^demon>	That's rather odd.
[12:29:20] <^demon>	My category table on my localhost's wiki up and disappeared.
[12:30:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  (10jlerner)
[12:34:19] <^demon>	jlerner: Other than that Ajax.php issue, I think I have a fully working patch.
[12:34:47] <jlerner>	^demon: excellent - you did all this just since last night?
[12:35:28] <^demon>	Yeah.
[12:35:46] <CIA-48>	03mfarag * r33344 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/templates/index.html.tmpl: typos
[12:37:58] <^demon>	jlerner: If you have the latest SVN, I could use another set of eyes to fix this last bit.
[12:38:33] <jlerner>	svn up'ing
[12:39:09] <^demon>	Alrighty. ~/includes/AjaxFunctions.php, Line 84.
[12:40:29] <jlerner>	ok
[12:40:47] <jlerner>	^demon: search is case-sensitive by default?
[12:40:50] <^demon>	The Title object is initialized 2 lines down, on line 86. For me to check $wgCapitalLinks now, I need a namespace.
[12:41:33] <^demon>	$wgCapitalLinks just tells us whether to force capitalize the first letter.
[12:41:50] <^demon>	Which, due to my changes, is based on namespaces...but there's no namespace yet when we need it.
[12:45:18] <jlerner>	hmm
[12:46:06] <Werdna>	^demon: well done
[12:47:03] <^demon>	I'll post the patch of what I have thus far on the bug. Could use some review :-)
[12:48:04] <^demon>	Granted, I also wrote the majority of this at around 4-6am this morning.
[12:48:10] <jlerner>	^demon: you're trying to account for the case where someone enters User:Joshua in the search box¿
[12:48:12] <jlerner>	?
[12:48:43] <jlerner>	a term with a namespace prepended?
[12:48:46] <^demon>	I'm not sure what all AjaxFunctions.php handles.
[12:49:24] <^demon>	Is there a method that takes a full title and tries to extract the namespace?
[12:49:31] <^demon>	(If so, I'd love it)
[12:50:05] <jlerner>	do lines 84 and 85 actually have any effect?
[12:50:10] <jlerner>	don't seem to...
[12:50:43] <^demon>	Yes they do. if $wgCapitalLinks is enabled, it will force capitalize the first letter.
[12:51:05] <jlerner>	right, but that has no effect
[12:51:17] <^demon>	Why not?
[12:51:17] <jlerner>	searching for "main" is the same as searching for "Main"
[12:51:18] <jlerner>	no?
[12:51:27] <^demon>	Because you're used to it being enabled.
[12:51:38] <^demon>	If you're on a wiki with it disabled, Main != main
[12:51:39] <jlerner>	i'm testing it right now, with it commented out
[12:51:43] <jlerner>	i get the same results
[12:51:48] <^demon>	It's enabled by default.
[12:52:56] <^demon>	1922 in DefaultSettings is where I set it.
[12:53:38] <scubasjl>	I have categorie abcd and so on, but if you put in ABCD it wants you to make a new page, how can i make it just redirct to the abcd page?
[12:53:57] <^demon>	Categories don't redirect.
[12:54:12] <scubasjl>	ok can I make a page redirect?
[12:54:20] <CIA-48>	03raymond * r33345 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialListgrouprights.php: Localize the group names
[12:54:32] <^demon>	Yes. Put #REDIRECT [[Page name]] as the first line of the page.
[12:54:55] <scubasjl>	ok Thank demon, figure I would aks about the page one if I ever need it :)
[12:55:06] <^demon>	And a reminder, this doesn't make the whole /title/ case sensative or not. Just the first letter.
[12:55:17] <^demon>	(Referring to $wgCaptialLinks, I mean)
[12:55:43] <scubasjl>	ok i will search that 
[12:55:44] <jlerner>	but the search is case-insensitive, no?
[12:55:58] <jlerner>	you're inside function wfSajaxSearch
[12:56:21] <jlerner>	i get the same results with my ajax search, whether line 84 is active or not
[12:58:27] <jlerner>	$term is what the user typed - why touch it?
[12:59:03] <rainman-sr>	jlerner, ajax search is case sensitive except for the first letter
[12:59:18] <jlerner>	great - then we don't line 85
[12:59:22] <rainman-sr>	you might want to install titlekey if you want caseinsensitive stuff
[12:59:26] <jlerner>	$term = $wgContLang->ucfirst( $term );
[12:59:41] <jlerner>	rainman-sr: this is reference to  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750 
[12:59:50] <rainman-sr>	yes we do
[13:00:02] *jlerner 	looks at titlekey
[13:00:15] <rainman-sr>	since in a normal index titles begin with a capital letter
[13:00:45] <^demon>	I'm following the search down the stack, one second.
[13:00:47] <jlerner>	i'm getting the same ajax-based search results though, whether the term gets capitalized or not
[13:01:22] <jlerner>	titlekey, right
[13:01:39] <jlerner>	but this is just about enabling per-namespace forced capitalization
[13:02:58] <rainman-sr>	ok then, i was under the impression that you were talking about ajax search ... 
[13:03:21] <jlerner>	yes, well we're in the ajax search function, that was ^demon's question
[13:03:50] <rainman-sr>	that line might not be needed since the Title::newFromText() magic
[13:04:55] <jlerner>	rainman-sr: looks that way - i'm ajax searching for "main", I get "You searched for Main"
[13:05:19] <jlerner>	but the other references to $term are lower-case
[13:05:26] <jlerner>	or upper-case if i enter as upper-case
[13:06:21] <^demon>	The trick is, you have to make a decision about forced capitalization there. If you have forced capitilization /on/, and someone submits a lower case word, it won't match on line 86 where it needs a title.
[13:06:22] <engida>	I am sorry if this is a very dumb Q... was looking for info on how to protect a page and all the documentation I am reading says to click on the "protect" tab.... which I do not see on my mediawiki install (1.11.0). How Do I protect a page(full protection)
[13:06:53] <tale>	engida: I think you must be sysop to protect pages.
[13:07:06] <engida>	tale: I am logged in with the sys-op account
[13:07:22] <jlerner>	^demon: where $term_title is built?
[13:07:29] <jlerner>	i'm testing it now , it does work
[13:07:34] <engida>	tale: maybe not.. let me check ;)
[13:07:41] <jlerner>	regardless of lines 84 and 85
[13:07:56] <^demon>	Do you have any lower case titles in your database?
[13:08:05] <tale>	engida: I see the protect tab when I am sysop in MW 1.12.
[13:08:32] <jlerner>	^demon: no
[13:09:22] <rainman-sr>	jlerner, Title::newFromText() will capitalize the first letter as I said anyway
[13:10:08] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:10:24] <jlerner>	^demon: so if that's true, why ucfirst $term on the previous line
[13:10:34] <jlerner>	(what rainman-sr said)
[13:11:32] <^demon>	Where does Title::newFromText() capitalize the input?
[13:11:34] <jlerner>	^demon: what use case are you trying to address?
[13:11:35] <rainman-sr>	i'm guessing thats been put there for correctness, but it could be removed
[13:11:42] <rainman-sr>	^demon, secureAndSplit
[13:11:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750   +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[13:12:06] <jlerner>	i have $wgCapitalLinks set to false now, created page "lowercase", when i ajax search for "Lower", i get no results
[13:12:26] <^demon>	And "lower"?
[13:12:49] <rainman-sr>	no lower.. wgCapitalLinks only means to *force* first letter in uppercase
[13:13:04] <rainman-sr>	it doesn't mean if it's false the first letter will be forced to lowercase or such
[13:13:09] <jlerner>	"lower" works
[13:13:31] <jlerner>	if anything, lines 84-85 should be: $term = $wgContLang->lc( $term ); 
[13:13:40] <jlerner>	er
[13:13:42] <jlerner>	well maybe not
[13:14:05] <rainman-sr>	jlerner, no .. that will break stuff beginning in uppercase when capitalinks=false
[13:14:20] <^demon>	So, that part can be taken out of AjaxFunctions entirely.
[13:14:51] <^demon>	I have to run to class, we'll pick this up later.
[13:14:57] <jlerner>	cool
[13:15:01] <CIA-48>	03simetrical * r33346 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Database.php): Add RELEASE-NOTES for 33269, fix another one.
[13:19:55] <Werdna>	hi Simetrical
[13:22:18] <Simetrical>	Hi, Werdna.
[13:22:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10triyork)
[13:28:17] <Grondin>	may everybody look after https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13670
[13:31:42] <Simetrical>	Grondin, you want #wikimedia-tech.
[13:32:09] <Grondin>	It's what I done just later
[13:32:11] <Grondin>	thanks Simetrical 
[13:35:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	AaronSchulz: When rollback-ing to a rated version, will that new revision be likewise rated (automatically)?
[13:49:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:53:46] <CIA-48>	03yaron * r33347 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php: Added new 'formlink' parser function
[13:57:11] <CIA-48>	03yaron * r33348 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fix to get 'default=now' working again for hidden date fields; PHP bug fix
[13:58:58] <CIA-48>	03yaron * r33349 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Fixed language-value setting for MediaWiki versions before 1.11
[13:59:21] <CIA-48>	03yaron * r33350 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.0.3
[14:06:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Revert to this version" link for admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:07:08] <CIA-48>	03simetrical * r33351 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Could we please have documentation for new config options?
[14:07:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use HttpOnly cookies for session and authentication - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4731  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:16:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Rollback to a flagged revision should flag the new revision automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13751 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (mike.lifeguard)
[14:16:42] <Simetrical>	Whoops.
[14:17:25] <CIA-48>	03simetrical * r33352 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Database.php: It would have been fun if this went live. :D
[14:27:19] <moisadoru>	hello guys
[14:28:53] <moisadoru>	are there any commiters ? because I have a small addition to the EditPage.php file (I have a fix for http://dev.fckeditor.net/ticket/1385 and I need a new hook to be called from this page)
[14:30:29] <Simetrical>	moisadoru, you have a patch?
[14:30:45] <Simetrical>	I've heard FCKeditor is broken in recent versions of MediaWiki.
[14:30:49] <Simetrical>	Which is kind of sad.
[14:31:17] <moisadoru>	yes I have a patch for EditPage.php
[14:31:40] <moisadoru>	http://rafb.net/p/wrNL8T17.html
[14:32:05] <jlerner>	is there any recommended way to do a/b testing of a page? i'd like to test two home page designs...
[14:33:14] <moisadoru>	I will send the rest of  the fix to the FCK guys, but it only works if that hook call is in place
[14:35:30] <CIA-48>	03simetrical * r33353 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: Make sure to use table prefixes correctly. Thanks to siebrand for reporting the bug.
[14:35:50] <Simetrical>	moisadoru, hmm, okay.  Maybe that param list isn't the best.  Let me see.
[14:36:58] <Simetrical>	Also maybe best to put it in the if, so that you can choose to override normal behavior by returning false.
[14:38:41] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Rollback to a flagged revision should flag the new revision automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13751  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:47:16] <CIA-48>	03simetrical * r33354 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/EditPage.php): Add a new hook EditPageBeforeEditConflict to allow extensions like FCKeditor to modify the output for edit conflicts. By request of moisadoru on IRC for FCKeditor extension issue: http://dev.fckeditor.net/ticket/1385
[14:47:16] <AlexSm>	AaronSchulz: is SpecialPages going to be improved more?
[14:47:18] <Simetrical>	moisadoru, tell me if that's good.
[14:47:33] <AaronSchulz>	AlexSm: I don't know, why?
[14:47:50] <Werdna>	Simetrical: I like FCKeditor
[14:47:55] <Werdna>	it's coming along nicely
[14:48:28] <AlexSm>	AaronSchulz: it's definitely better now (thank you), but it doesn't look like it's finished
[14:54:33] <Simetrical>	I just spent two hours checking my e-mail.  :(
[14:54:49] <moisadoru>	SImetrical: looks alright, thanks
[15:00:58] <^demon>	jlerner: So where were we?
[15:01:15] <jlerner>	i was claiming that lines 84 and 85 don't really do anything ;-)
[15:01:44] <^demon>	With that exam behind me, I can think more clearly now :-P
[15:01:51] <jlerner>	what was the exam?
[15:02:52] <^demon>	My last exam in physics before the final.
[15:03:31] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33355 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): More UI tweaks (bug 13748)
[15:03:41] <Simetrical>	What physics course?
[15:03:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) When looking at difflinks, the status of the respective versions should show - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13748  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:03:46] <^demon>	207.
[15:07:59] <^demon>	jlerner: Agreed, it's useless there.
[15:08:12] <jlerner>	so that solves that problem ;-)
[15:08:29] <^demon>	And that was my last issue with it, I believe.
[15:08:30] *jlerner 	was a physics major back in the day
[15:09:21] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33356 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: One rev diff tweak
[15:11:50] <Simetrical>	^demon, 207 at what college?
[15:12:07] <^demon>	Virginia Commonwealth Univ.
[15:12:39] <Simetrical>	So what course is that actually?  I don't know the course codes for your university.  :)  At my university it's first-semester physics with calculus, but I assume that's coincidental.
[15:14:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:14:08] <Cloud>	hi guys
[15:14:17] <Cloud>	the use of $wglogo makes my wiki go to a blank page
[15:14:21] <Cloud>	a totally blank page, why?!
[15:14:22] <^demon>	Simetrical: What an odd coicidence.
[15:14:40] <^demon>	/s/coicidence/coincidence/
[15:14:50] <^demon>	PHYS 207: Universtity Physics I.
[15:15:01] <^demon>	I'm not a physics major...
[15:15:34] <^demon>	jlerner: New patch @ 13750
[15:15:42] <ialex>	Cloud: maybe if make an syntax error and not set 'display_errors' to 1 in php.ini
[15:15:57] <Simetrical>	I'm a pure math major, with a declared physics minor that I may or may not finish.
[15:16:02] <Simetrical>	Taking thermo this term.
[15:16:12] <^demon>	I'm in between majors.
[15:16:15] <Simetrical>	!errors | Cloud 
[15:16:15] --mwbot--	Cloud:  To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[15:16:28] <^demon>	Switching from Economics to CS, keeping my minor in Econ.
[15:18:07] <CIA-48>	03siebrand * r33357 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): 
[15:18:07] <CIA-48>	Localisation updates for core from Betawiki
[15:18:07] <CIA-48>	* updates for special page aliases, skin names
[15:18:07] <CIA-48>	* some reformatting
[15:21:19] <Cloud>	mwbot: adding that gives me a blank page
[15:21:28] <Cloud>	commenting out both that and #wglogo restores my wiki
[15:22:21] <ialex>	Cloud: what's *exactely* the line you added for $wgLogo ?
[15:22:49] <Cloud>	erm, this sodding default config
[15:23:00] <Cloud>	wgstylepath and wglogo wasnt defined
[15:23:08] <Cloud>	so i went to the mediawiki wiki to look it up
[15:23:28] <^demon>	SPQRobin: Ping
[15:23:38] <Cloud>	i set $wgStylePath = "{$wgScriptPath}/skins"
[15:23:55] <SPQRobin>	hello ^demon
[15:23:56] <ialex>	don't forget the ; at the end
[15:24:02] <Cloud>	ARRRRGH
[15:24:03] <Cloud>	lmao
[15:24:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Data too long for column 'rev_comment' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13721  (10mohamed.m.k)
[15:24:19] <^demon>	SPQRobin: Get my e-mail?
[15:24:38] <SPQRobin>	yep, I'm sending an answer
[15:24:44] <^demon>	Oh ok :-)
[15:25:29] <Cloud>	ialex: thankyouverymuch :D
[15:25:31] <Cloud>	it's now working
[15:25:39] <ialex>	hehe
[15:25:42] <Cloud>	heh, I spent half an hour on this... :< and it was a n00b error
[15:25:57] <Cloud>	i didn't notice the ; at the end of every line
[15:26:00] <Cloud>	i guess i need a bigger font
[15:26:09] <ialex>	:)
[15:26:38] <Cloud>	okay... so I have sysop and bureaucrat,,, is sysop more powerful than admin or what? and what's a bureaucrat?
[15:26:54] <LeonWP>	sysop == admin
[15:27:03] <Cloud>	why does wikipedia not use sysop?
[15:27:21] <^demon>	They just changed what the name is.
[15:27:23] <^demon>	It's all the same.
[15:27:26] <Cloud>	can I do that too?
[15:27:54] <^demon>	Yessir.
[15:27:54] <Cloud>	where is the setting?
[15:28:14] <Simetrical>	Cloud, look at Special:Allmessages.
[15:28:14] <^demon>	It's one of the language files. Not sure which value.
[15:28:20] <Simetrical>	*Don't* change the language files.
[15:28:22] <ialex>	Cloud: it's messages, see Special:Allmessages change the ones you want
[15:29:01] <Cloud>	ialex: how do i change it?
[15:29:18] <Cloud>	oh
[15:29:43] <Cloud>	edit it like a normal wikipedia article
[15:29:43] <ialex>	Cloud: serch for sysop and the edit the red link
[15:29:43] <ialex>	yes
[15:30:03] <ialex>	it should something like MediaWiki:Group-sysop-*
[15:30:43] <Cloud>	lol I have my own wiki with 1 user :P
[15:31:03] *Werdna 	has his own four wikis, each with one user.
[15:31:23] *ialex 	has some socks on his own wikis
[15:31:26] <ialex>	:P
[15:31:46] *Simetrical 	has one wiki with one user, and one with several dozen
[15:31:48] <Cloud>	do I get all the l33t powers like checkuser and oversight?
[15:32:14] <ialex>	!e CheckUser
[15:32:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser
[15:32:14] <Werdna>	Simetrical: that's right, you're involved with a game dev site, right?
[15:32:14] <^demon>	Cloud: If you install those extensions and give yourself the rights, yes.
[15:32:14] <Simetrical>	"There are 321 registered users, of which 38 (or 11.84%) have Sysops rights. "
[15:32:22] <Simetrical>	Werdna, yes, the largest fan site for the Total War series.
[15:32:25] <Simetrical>	http://www.twcenter.net/
[15:32:34] <Werdna>	Simetrical: fancy pants.
[15:32:38] <Simetrical>	$300/month dedicated server.
[15:32:42] <Werdna>	whoa
[15:32:47] <Simetrical>	Few thousand posts a day on the forums.
[15:32:47] <Werdna>	how do you make that back?
[15:32:50] <Simetrical>	Ads.
[15:32:54] <Simetrical>	I don't pay for it, though.  I just admin it.
[15:32:57] <Werdna>	shouldn't have bothered asking
[15:33:16] <Simetrical>	Ads pay for $100+ more per month on top of that, I think, although I don't know all the details.
[15:33:35] <Simetrical>	Apparently Google has this clever thing where the only way to give someone else access to your AdSense account is to give them the password to your Google account.
[15:33:37] <Cloud>	^demon: how do I give myself the checkuser right?
[15:33:40] <Simetrical>	brillant!
[15:33:44] <Werdna>	Simetrical: fair enough.
[15:33:48] <^demon>	Cloud: Have you installed Checkuser?
[15:34:00] <Cloud>	going to
[15:34:03] <Cloud>	will it work on windows?
[15:34:07] <Simetrical>	Although it was a lot of money to set up the server.  Borderline criminal one-time fees for extra RAM.
[15:34:19] <Simetrical>	$700 for each extra 2 GB.
[15:34:22] <Werdna>	o__O
[15:34:23] <Werdna>	wtf?
[15:34:26] <Simetrical>	Yeah.
[15:34:27] <ialex>	Cloud:  going it should works on any system 
[15:34:34] <Simetrical>	It was that, or pay like $10 or $20 extra per month.
[15:34:37] <ialex>	-goinf
[15:34:37] <Werdna>	my entire VPS is $150 for a year
[15:34:40] <ialex>	*g
[15:34:59] <Simetrical>	Yeah, and what are your available resources?
[15:35:18] <Cloud>	^demon how do i download?
[15:35:27] <Simetrical>	I have 500 GB disk space, 8 GB RAM, and a dual-core CPU of some kind.  Xeon 3060 2.4 GHz.
[15:35:38] <Simetrical>	2500 GB bandwidth, at 100 Mbps.
[15:35:51] <Simetrical>	You can't get that kind of stuff for much less than $300/month, I looked.
[15:35:51] <^demon>	!e CheckUser
[15:35:51] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser
[15:35:52] <^demon>	^ There
[15:35:55] <Simetrical>	At least when I was shopping.
[15:36:17] <Cloud>	^demon it says "the files", so I download all 3 checkuser files?
[15:36:23] <Werdna>	Simetrical: uh, 256MB of RAM, 10G hard disk, not very fast, 50G bandwidth at 100M, 2.9ms ping time to google.
[15:36:24] <Simetrical>	The only thing I'd like is more bandwidth.  We host lots of downloads, but can't host the big popular ones, alas.
[15:36:45] <Simetrical>	2.9 ms ping time to Google?
[15:37:14] <CIA-48>	03ialex * r33358 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Document newly added hooks
[15:37:31] <Werdna>	yeah
[15:37:56] <Simetrical>	That's like an order of magnitude lower than mine.  Both desktop and server give about 40 ms.  WTF do you want a 3 ms ping to Google for?
[15:38:00] <Simetrical>	Are you colocated with them or something?
[15:38:19] <Werdna>	no idea
[15:38:28] <Werdna>	but I noticed it when I got the VPS
[15:38:29] <Werdna>	10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9003ms
[15:38:29] <Werdna>	rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.084/2.545/3.290/0.365 ms
[15:38:36] <Cloud>	how do I download?!?!?!
[15:38:50] <Cloud>	its this index of /trunk/extensions/CheckUser thingy
[15:38:55] <Cloud>	and I get 3 different PHP files
[15:38:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Null revisions do not trigger autoflagging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13733  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:38:55] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33359 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Autoreview null edits too (bug 13733)
[15:39:13] <Werdna>	haha, There are 5 registered users, of which 0 (or 0.00%) have Sysops rights.
[15:39:23] <Werdna>	becase I changed it to 'moderator' and 'admin' instead
[15:39:26] <Werdna>	makes moar sense
[15:40:54] <Werdna>	Simetrical: it doesn't look like I'm colocated with them.
[15:41:07] <Simetrical>	They have their own data centers, surely.
[15:41:11] <Simetrical>	I doubt they're colocated with anyone.
[15:41:12] <Werdna>	7 hops, including what looks like a backbone
[15:41:18] <Werdna>	 3  10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.pao1.he.net (72.52.92.66)  1.325 ms  1.302 ms  1.266 ms
[15:41:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  +comment (10cbass)
[15:41:31] <Werdna>	 7  cf-in-f103.google.com (74.125.19.103)  2.281 ms  2.168 ms  2.124 ms
[15:41:36] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I get 15 hops from my server.
[15:41:50] <Simetrical>	localhost is 16.
[15:41:51] <Werdna>	let's see what cary had to say
[15:41:52] <Cloud>	so i download everything from the directory?!?!?!
[15:41:57] <Simetrical>	Although most of those don't respond.
[15:42:19] <Simetrical>	Cloud, there should be installation instructions on the page you were linked to, no?
[15:42:49] <Cloud>	Simetrical it tells me to download files from here
[15:42:57] <Cloud>	and i get this listing
[15:43:00] <Simetrical>	Cloud, yes, that's right.
[15:43:03] <Cloud>	and i have to download each file individually
[15:43:09] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[15:43:13] <Cloud>	so I have to download all files?
[15:43:17] <Cloud>	and put them in the extensions dir?
[15:43:50] <ialex>	yeah
[15:43:58] <Simetrical>	Cloud, yes, under the CheckUser subdirectory.
[15:44:03] <Simetrical>	Which you should create.
[15:44:14] <Cloud>	but the install page tells me to dump all the files in the extensions dir
[15:45:12] <Simetrical>	Cloud, the directory goes in the extensions dir.
[15:45:20] <Simetrical>	The files go in the directory.
[15:45:27] <Cloud>	isnt there a zip file or something of checkuser?
[15:45:35] <Cloud>	instead of having to download each file individually
[15:47:29] <Cloud>	how do i run install.php? php c:\inetpub\wwwroot\wiki\extensions\install.php?
[15:47:38] <Cloud>	how do i run install.php? php c:\inetpub\wwwroot\wiki\extensions\CheckUser\install.php? *
[15:48:20] <Simetrical>	Cloud, yes, that should work.
[15:48:33] <Simetrical>	I don't think anyone makes a zip file of CheckUser.
[15:53:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Section redirects no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13752 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (happy_melon)
[15:53:51] <Cloud>	hey
[15:54:01] <Cloud>	it tells me Special:CheckUser is an invalid special page
[15:55:45] <Simetrical>	Cloud, did you follow all the instructions?
[15:58:20] <Simetrical>	Cloud, you should have added a line to LocalSettings.php, at the bottom.
[15:59:27] <Cloud>	Simetrical added
[15:59:32] <Cloud>	do I need a $ in front of it?
[15:59:38] <Simetrical>	Cloud, what exactly did you add?
[16:00:08] <Cloud>	inclue_once('extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php');
[16:00:18] <Werdna>	inclue once?
[16:00:21] <Cloud>	include*
[16:00:26] <LeonWP>	You don't need a $ then.
[16:03:20] <CIA-48>	03dale * r33360 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 2 dirs): improved remote inline cmml/caption display
[16:03:38] <Cloud>	do i need to restart the web server?
[16:04:22] <Simetrical>	Cloud, no.
[16:05:00] <Cloud>	still no checkuser
[16:05:11] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33361 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Whip up a page to track recent quality related reviews (bug 13561)
[16:05:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Combined log makes control of reviewers very difficult - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13561  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:06:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Combined log makes control of reviewers very difficult - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13561  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:09:19] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33362 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: XHTML
[16:09:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10Andrew)
[16:13:19] <moisadoru>	Werdna: I have some updates for the LocalFIleLink extension here http://rafb.net/p/snmJg972.html (fixed some issues when viewing diffs in history and when there is an edit conflict [skiped replacing the content of textbox2] )
[16:14:53] <Simetrical>	Hmm, Roan's redirect changes totally broke viewing of old revisions.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Linking_to_old_versions_of_redirected_articles
[16:16:59] <Cloud>	Simetrical: I've followed all the steps 2 times
[16:17:03] <Cloud>	and still no checkuser
[16:18:21] <CIA-48>	03ialex * r33363 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php SpecialConfirmemail.php): 
[16:18:21] <CIA-48>	* Pass directly the title object to OutputPage::returnToMain() so it doesn't need to be created there
[16:18:21] <CIA-48>	* Added UserArrayFromResult class to AutoLoader, CentralAuth was throwing an error because it couldn't find that class
[16:20:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section redirects no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13752  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:21:35] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33364 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Perm check
[16:23:07] <Danny_B>	i see log messages ungrupped again on enhanced recent changes. is that temporary or it has been switched to this behavior?
[16:25:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey there brion :)
[16:26:54] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hi ho!
[16:28:43] <brion>	morning
[16:29:08] <Simetrical>	I may as well throw this at you, brion, because I'm too lazy to fix it.  Roan's redirect changes totally broke viewing of old revisions.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Linking_to_old_versions_of_redirected_articles
[16:29:15] <Simetrical>	Old revisions of redirect pages, that is.
[16:29:20] <Simetrical>	So not super-duper critical.
[16:29:28] <Simetrical>	Shouldn't be hard to fix, though.
[16:29:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section redirects no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13752  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:29:50] <Danny_B>	one ~o) for brion 
[16:30:23] <Danny_B>	visual representation is on http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/images/smileys/44.gif
[16:30:45] <brion>	cyclops with wavy hair?
[16:31:23] <brion>	Simetrical: thx, i'll put it on the pile
[16:32:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (max.sonnelid)
[16:33:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Disable local file uploads at vo.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13740  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:34:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Malayalam wiki need Import feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13734  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:35:18] <Werdna>	hai brion 
[16:35:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753  normal->highest (10max.sonnelid)
[16:36:06] <Werdna>	ooh, jeluf's doing shell requests
[16:36:28] *Werdna 	notes that enwiki is wondering why its shell requests sit undone for months.
[16:36:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change for wo.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13715  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:36:51] *Jack_Phoenix 	prods brion gently about his svn account request ;-)
[16:37:02] <ialex>	hehe
[16:37:03] <brion>	will get to it later :)
[16:37:11] <brion>	it's on teh list
[16:37:35] <ialex>	how long is the list ? ^^
[16:37:47] <Danny_B>	loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
[16:37:50] <Danny_B>	i see log messages ungrupped again on enhanced recent changes. is that temporary or it has been switched to this behavior?
[16:38:09] <Werdna>	it'd better be below "Review GlobalBlocking extension"
[16:38:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Import from beta Wikiversity to English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13696  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:38:31] <ialex>	Danny_B: now only some logs are groupped
[16:38:47] <Danny_B>	ialex: temporary or for ever
[16:38:50] <AaronSchulz>	ok, next on my list is ultimate diffs for the "new message bar"
[16:39:05] <Werdna>	my list is a mile long
[16:39:11] <ialex>	Danny_B: the second one
[16:39:11] <Werdna>	mostly I just ignore it and do what I feel like
[16:39:16] <AaronSchulz>	mine was long, but I cut it down on the weekend
[16:39:35] <AaronSchulz>	some things on it are a pain, like batched deletion with locking for large pages
[16:39:38] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[16:39:38] <Danny_B>	(big sigh) :-(
[16:39:54] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, yay
[16:40:08] <Danny_B>	is there any comment or discussion about that so i can see the reasons?
[16:40:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable subpages for Hebrew Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13695  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:40:30] <AaronSchulz>	Danny_B: there are some svn changes not live yet
[16:40:35] <AaronSchulz>	newusers should be grouped by log
[16:40:54] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: yay for "new messages" or the deletion thing or both?
[16:41:07] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, deletion thing.
[16:41:10] <Simetrical>	I don't care about new messages.
[16:41:17] <AaronSchulz>	well, don't hold your breath ;)
[16:41:24] <Simetrical>	:(
[16:41:35] *Danny_B 	(and can speak on behalf of many members of cs community) would appreciate all logs grouped
[16:41:37] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: woudn't be better to check if that variable is set before adding a item in the array, for MW < 1.13 ?
[16:41:40] <AaronSchulz>	I'll do the diffs first, as the other is really something I need to build up the will to do
[16:41:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add import source: el.wiktionary on fr.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13670  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:41:55] <AaronSchulz>	ialex: meh, that's what extension branching is before ;)
[16:42:04] <AaronSchulz>	*for
[16:42:20] <Werdna>	CentralAuth requires PHP 5.2
[16:42:23] <Werdna>	I should fix that at some stage
[16:42:26] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: i think most of sysadmins use the trunk istead of brances ;)
[16:42:27] <AaronSchulz>	weee
[16:42:49] <ialex>	+n
[16:43:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change for co.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13669  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:44:29] <wikibugs>	  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12937  low->highest (10max.sonnelid)
[16:46:02] <wikibugs>	  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12937  highest->normal; +comment (10minuteelectron)
[16:46:23] <Werdna>	brion: what's the matter with wikibugs>
[16:46:59] <CIA-48>	03erik * r33365 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: fix tag
[16:49:08] <MinuteElectron>	Werdna: That bug title contains UTF-8 characters, I suspect that could be causing issues.
[16:49:14] <Werdna>	:(
[16:49:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) dsb.wikipedia.org wishes to use Image:Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13607  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:51:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change logo of el.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13406  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:51:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Localized logo for dsb.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13416  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:52:31] <brion>	Werdwhich matter?
[16:53:47] <Werdna>	16:28 < wikibugs>   - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12937  low->highest (max.sonnelid)
[16:54:14] <brion>	yeah, i think currently it's confused by non-ascii stuff
[16:54:24] <Werdna>	silly wikibugs
[16:54:29] *Werdna 	gives wikibugs a round beating
[16:54:50] <AaronSchulz>	bot abuse!
[16:56:02] <DaTroll>	Hiho
[16:56:03] *Simetrical 	founds the ASPCB
[16:57:35] *Werdna 	is cruel to wikibugs, just to annoy Simetrical 
[16:57:50] *Simetrical 	gets Werdna sent to jail
[16:57:55] <Simetrical>	Robots have rights too!
[16:58:00] <Werdna>	no they don't
[16:58:03] <Werdna>	they only have laws
[16:58:08] <Werdna>	just ask Asimov
[17:02:39] <Cloud>	hey how would I go about backing up my wiki?
[17:02:50] <Cloud>	just copy the wiki folder to a storage device?
[17:03:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved wikis (March 2008): Hungarian Wikinews, Erzya & Extremaduran & Gan Wikipedia, and Japanese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13264  +comment (10max.sonnelid)
[17:03:39] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33366 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/config.ini: fixing errors with sasa's blog
[17:06:37] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33367 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/config.ini: temporary commenting sasa's blog
[17:07:16] <CIA-48>	03gri6507 * r33368 10/trunk/extensions/WhiteList/ (SpecialWhitelistEdit.php WhitelistAuth.php): (log message trimmed)
[17:07:16] <CIA-48>	v0.8.7
[17:07:16] <CIA-48>	* Highlight the expiry dates that have expired in red
[17:07:16] <CIA-48>	* When a wildcard is used to enable access to a set of pages, it may pull in one
[17:07:16] <CIA-48>	too many pages. Currently, there is no easy way to work around that. One
[17:07:18] <CIA-48>	possibility is to allow managers to also define BlackListed pages which would
[17:07:22] <CIA-48>	take precedence over whitelisted pages. This way, the manager could define a
[17:07:55] <Bjorn_H>	Is it possible to use typ <abbr title="et cetera">etc.</abbr> in wiki?
[17:09:42] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33369 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/templates/index.html.tmpl: more localizations
[17:11:39] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33370 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/templates/index.html.tmpl: locale
[17:13:40] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33371 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/config.ini: neutral form of the timestamp
[17:13:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10tangotango)
[17:14:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Position of flagging box in difflinks is inconsistent and not useful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13749  (10pbirken)
[17:16:49] <CIA-48>	03millosh * r33372 10/trunk/tools/planet/sr/templates/index.html.tmpl: localization...
[17:17:42] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33373 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Temporarily put $wgCookieHttpOnly off while it's evaluated
[17:20:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753  highest->normal; +comment (10meno25wiki)
[17:21:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagged bots to have exeption from spamlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13706  (10brion)
[17:29:32] <CIA-48>	03raymond * r33374 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German
[17:32:37] <CIA-48>	03ialex * r33375 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php includes/Wiki.php): (bug 13752) Section redirects now works again
[17:33:30] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33376 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: 
[17:33:30] <CIA-48>	Temporarily remove the username option.
[17:33:30] <CIA-48>	The index is missing on some wikis, and it seems a little funky to begin with.
[17:33:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Section redirects no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13752  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:33:48] <Flominator>	hi
[17:34:26] <Flominator>	I want to read the text of one specific page within an extension ...
[17:34:41] <Flominator>	... does anyone know a sample page, where I can see how this works?
[17:38:10] <ialex>	Flominator: create an title object, then a revison with it and get the text from the revision object
[17:38:37] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745  +comment (10brion)
[17:40:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  (10brion)
[17:42:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Oldid broken for redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13754 major; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (lars)
[17:43:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oldid broken for redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13754  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:45:35] <Flominator>	ialex: thx
[17:45:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) case sensitive issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3950  (10innocentkiller)
[17:46:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  (10innocentkiller)
[17:47:00] <CIA-48>	03huji * r33377 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: * Adding/updating Persian translations
[17:49:40] <Flominator>	ialex: which method of the revision gives me the text?
[17:49:52] <Werdna>	getText()?
[17:50:00] <ialex>	yeah
[17:50:39] <Flominator>	    $t = new Title("Main Page");
[17:50:39] <Flominator>	    $art = new Revision($t);
[17:50:40] <Flominator>	    $hallo = $art->getTitle();
[17:50:40] <Flominator>	    echo "HALLO".$hallo."HALLO";
[17:51:43] <Flominator>	line 3 should of course be $hallo = $art->getText();
[17:54:15] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33378 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Add class to non-content links
[17:57:44] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33379 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: valign='top'
[17:58:45] <ialex>	Flominator: the second line should be $art = Revision::newFromTitle( $t );
[18:02:28] <AaronSchulz>	$t = new Title("Main Page"); ?
[18:02:38] <AaronSchulz>	that looks wrong
[18:02:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved wikis (March 2008): Hungarian Wikinews, Erzya & Extremaduran & Gan Wikipedia, and Japanese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13264  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[18:02:59] <AaronSchulz>	$t = Title::NewFromText("Main Page");
[18:03:05] <AaronSchulz>	that works
[18:03:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745  (10aaron)
[18:03:35] <Flominator>	AaronSchulz: pretty awesome. thank you
[18:03:38] <^demon>	brion: I saw your comment about $wgCapitalLinks (bug 13750) and how it relates to 5134 about denying the ability to create lower-cased pagenames in the User: namespace. As my patch breaks it down by namespace now, couldn't the new code go out with a big warning saying "Do not set $wgCapitalLinks[ NS_USER ] to false"
[18:04:25] <Flominator>	ialex: thank you, too
[18:07:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:08:38] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33380 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Fix review links
[18:12:06] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33381 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php Wiki.php): 
[18:12:06] <CIA-48>	Revert some chunks of r33133 and r33375:
[18:12:06] <CIA-48>	* Let followRedirect() *always* work correctly by working from the article text.
[18:12:06] <CIA-48>	* This ensures that we're not falsely looking up data from another version and that we're not missing interwik and fragment data.
[18:12:07] <CIA-48>	Should clean up both bug 13754 (editing old version of redirect sometimes gives the target page text)
[18:12:09] <CIA-48>	and bug 13752 (bugs with fragments and probably interwikis in redirect target).
[18:12:11] <CIA-48>	Haven't been able to repro 13754 at home though, so we'll see.
[18:15:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745  (10roan.kattouw)
[18:17:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Oldid broken for redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13754  +comment (10brion)
[18:31:41] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33382 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.pg.sql FlaggedRevs.sql): Simplify index
[18:31:48] <brick_ijigg>	is there any benefit to the user or to WM for me to log in when i use the API to retrieve data?
[18:33:00] <CIA-48>	03catrope * r33383 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: (bug 13745) Fix regression from r33133 by changing INSERT to REPLACE
[18:35:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753  (10max.sonnelid)
[18:36:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753  (10minuteelectron)
[18:38:30] <ST47>	brick_ijigg: if you're a bot
[18:38:41] <CIA-48>	03siebrand * r33384 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (37 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-04-15 20:27 CEST)
[18:38:47] <brick_ijigg>	ST47, go on...
[18:38:47] <ST47>	bots get some limits increased
[18:39:02] <brick_ijigg>	hmm, anywhere i can read about it?
[18:39:08] <ST47>	Like, number of pages or something
[18:39:10] <ST47>	I don't know
[18:39:18] <brick_ijigg>	all right
[18:39:27] <brick_ijigg>	i haven't hit any limits so far (that i know of)
[18:39:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Site tagline message not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13755 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mohamed.m.k)
[18:40:02] <brion>	<b>Notice</b>:  Undefined property:  CentralAuthUser::$mStateDirty in <b>/Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php</b> on line <b>1302</b><br />
[18:40:03] <brion>	*sigh*
[18:42:04] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33385 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php: don't spam notices about mStateDirty being unset
[18:42:33] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Site tagline message not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13755  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[18:44:15] <CIA-48>	03siebrand * r33386 10/trunk/extensions/ (55 files in 55 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-04-15 20:27 CEST)
[18:46:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) redirect table key violation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:46:32] <Luxo>	is for the global session only a cookie with a session hash saved or like in the wikis also one with the username?
[18:47:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site tagline message not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13755  (10mohamed.m.k)
[18:51:41] <AphelionZ>	how do I prevent article pages from rendering incorrect special characters like ’ instead of ’ when I'm pulling them directly from the database?
[18:52:55] <brion>	AphelionZ: use the binary schema when you set up your database in the first place
[18:53:07] <brion>	but... good luck with that, we don't have a converter atm :)
[18:53:37] <LeonWP>	:D
[18:53:52] <AphelionZ>	brion: sheeeeeeeit
[18:54:05] <AphelionZ>	utf8_bin?
[18:57:56] <AphelionZ>	is that which i should use?
[19:02:24] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33387 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): (log message trimmed)
[19:02:25] <CIA-48>	* (bug 13725) Upload form watch checkbox state set correctly with wpDestFile
[19:02:25] <CIA-48>	r33330 just disabled the check for wpDestFile, so that the 'watch pages i create'
[19:02:25] <CIA-48>	setting would watch *all* uploads. The system now checks the actual value, so
[19:02:25] <CIA-48>	it sets the watch checkbox if the requested file doesn't exist locally and you
[19:02:27] <CIA-48>	have it set for creations, or if you've already got the file watched.
[19:02:29] <CIA-48>	There are still some minor issues:
[19:03:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Even if "Add pages I create to my watchlist" is set, uploading an image does not automatically watch it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13725  (10brion)
[19:06:25] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33388 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Revert r33378 -- class spam
[19:07:54] <Cloud>	hi
[19:07:59] <Cloud>	I can't upload images
[19:08:04] <Cloud>	it says internal error
[19:29:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:NewPages new layout? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13756 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (erik1980wiki)
[19:29:54] <dannyBlue>	What is the easiest way to create an extension to wrap some javascript and CSS code? I want to do an extension that does image slideshow. http://www.dhtmlgoodies.com/index.html?page=galleryScripts
[19:33:25] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Site tagline message not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13755  (10mohamed.m.k)
[19:44:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new parser function for conditional transclusion based on page size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12698  +comment (10cbm)
[19:50:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new parser function for conditional transclusion based on page size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12698   +need-review +patch (10cbm)
[19:52:20] <dannyBlue>	Hello... How do i write an extension? 
[19:53:07] <carl-m>	dannyBlue: Please see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions#Writing_Extensions
[19:55:01] <dannyBlue>	I can't even read that. I just want a simple tutorial, i just need to wrap a div use javascript and css for that div.
[19:55:57] <Cloud>	SOMEONE help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:56:03] <dannyBlue>	isnt't there anything that is more digestible?
[19:56:08] <Cloud>	it keeps saying the image directory is not writable
[19:56:20] <carl-m>	dannyBlue: what are you trying to do exactly?
[19:56:22] <carl-m>	Cloud: is it?
[19:56:32] <Cloud>	i have given every user write permission
[19:57:00] <dannyBlue>	http://www.dhtmlgoodies.com/index.html?page=galleryScripts i want to make an extension of this
[19:57:09] <carl-m>	are you running on a unixlike system or on windows?
[19:57:24] <dannyBlue>	the first image-slideshow
[19:57:36] <Cloud>	carl-m: windows
[19:57:46] <Cloud>	i gave everyone write permission to the images directory
[19:57:59] <carl-m>	Cloud: unfortunately I don't know anything about windows permissions
[19:58:32] <carl-m>	dannyBlue: can you achieve that just using site javascript and templates?
[19:59:21] <dannyBlue>	probably. i can use the commoin.css
[19:59:26] <dannyBlue>	commons.css
[19:59:42] <carl-m>	common.css and common.js
[19:59:58] <dannyBlue>	i could create a template that has the div structure.
[19:59:59] <carl-m>	I don't think it's necessary to write an extension for that
[20:00:02] <carl-m>	right
[20:00:19] <dannyBlue>	hum lt me give it a try then. i did not know there was a common.js. Tahnks
[20:00:33] <carl-m>	no problem, good luck
[20:08:07] <AphelionZ>	what database collartion is mediawiki expecting?
[20:08:19] <AphelionZ>	collation* even
[20:08:23] <Cloud>	damn why is nobody around?!
[20:11:41] <dannyBlue>	cloud: heve you set the permissings on your image file to 667?
[20:11:48] <dannyBlue>	image folder*
[20:14:53] <carl-m>	667?
[20:17:08] <dannyBlue>	766 sorry.
[20:17:15] <dannyBlue>	CHMOD
[20:17:34] <carl-m>	should be 777
[20:17:50] <carl-m>	but Cloud is on windows
[20:17:56] <dannyBlue>	for images? you never execute images.
[20:18:51] <carl-m>	on directories, the x attribute is for listing the contents
[20:20:11] <carl-m>	and for chdir() to the directory
[20:21:05] <dannyBlue>	ill take your word for it, i seriously do not remember.
[20:21:43] <dannyBlue>	carl-m: the javascript does not appear to be loading...
[20:22:55] <carl-m>	as in not loading at all? maybe you need to clear your browser cache
[20:23:35] <dannyBlue>	yeah... looking at the soruce it does not load.
[20:25:21] <carl-m>	where did you put it? 
[20:25:36] <dannyBlue>	common.js
[20:25:43] <dannyBlue>	http://www.danielmd.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sandbox2&action=edit check it out
[20:26:00] <carl-m>	is needs to be in : MediaWiki:Common.js
[20:27:13] <carl-m>	capital C
[20:27:24] <dannyBlue>	http://www.danielmd.net/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js
[20:27:25] <carl-m>	well, that's automatic I gueess
[20:27:27] <dannyBlue>	yeah it's there
[20:27:35] <^demon>	carl-m: Capital or lower? It all depends on $wgCapitalLinks :-P
[20:27:45] <carl-m>	too deep for me
[20:28:04] <^demon>	(Although not, Mediawiki messages are all first-letter-capped, even if caplinks are disabled.
[20:30:17] <carl-m>	dannyBlue: I don't believe img tags are permitted in wiki markup
[20:30:33] <dannyBlue>	i have html enabled
[20:30:43] <dannyBlue>	or do i... hum let me double check
[20:31:41] <Cloud>	DAMN
[20:31:44] <Cloud>	NO ERRORS, NOTHING ETC
[20:31:54] <Cloud>	AND IT'S STILL GIVING ME BS THAT IT'S NOT WRITABLE
[20:32:06] <flyingparchment>	please stop shouting
[20:32:07] <Cloud>	i didn't see anything in php's error log
[20:42:55] <CIA-48>	03ialex * r33389 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialNewpages.php): 
[20:42:55] <CIA-48>	Tweaks for Special:Newpages:
[20:42:55] <CIA-48>	* (bug 13756) Don't show the form and navigation links if the page is included
[20:42:55] <CIA-48>	* Readded options overriding with $par, useful when the page is included
[20:42:55] <CIA-48>	* Override limit and offset in pager so that they are also modified if they are specified in $par (when page is included)
[20:42:59] <CIA-48>	* Force NewPagesPager::getTitle() to return the title object of Special:Newpages even if included, navigation bar was linking to the included page, wich might not a very good idea sometimes
[20:43:02] <CIA-48>	* Fix some whitespaces
[20:44:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:NewPages new layout? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13756  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:44:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change vo.wp wiki logo to the one in Commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13757 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (malafaya)
[20:44:23] <CIA-48>	03catrope * r33390 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Adding CSS class for nested <fieldset>s. Nesting fieldsets used to cause a huge amount of whitespace between the parent and the child fieldset, this commit adds a class that circumvents this.
[20:45:17] <RoanKattouw>	Cloud: If it says it's not writable, maybe it's right. Double-check that the permissions on the directories it complains about are 777 and hard refresh the installer
[20:45:30] <carl-m>	RoanKattouw: he's on windows
[20:45:38] <RoanKattouw>	What the hell
[20:45:45] <RoanKattouw>	Then how are things 'not writable'?
[20:46:18] <carl-m>	no idea here, but it's access rights under vista?
[20:46:34] <dannyBlue>	ok now i get some stuff done, but it's still not working 100% http://www.danielmd.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sandbox2 the onload pictures do not load. only the static images get loaded... can javascritp load images from the network?
[20:49:08] <carl-m>	dannyBlue: I think you just change the src attribute of the corresponding DOM object
[20:50:13] <RoanKattouw>	carl-m: Yeah. XP also has some very basic access rights
[20:50:19] <dannyBlue>	what i mean is do i have to use static urls cuz that sucks... http://danielmd.net/files/images/slideshow/ i would like for the javascript to simply load $IP/images/slideshow
[20:50:33] <RoanKattouw>	Consisting of a checkbox "Don't allow other users to enter my My Documents and related folders"
[20:50:56] <RoanKattouw>	dannyBlue: Can't you use relative URLs somhow?
[20:51:00] <carl-m>	dannyBlue: you have access to javascript variables like $wgServer
[20:51:02] <RoanKattouw>	../files/images/slideshow/ ?
[20:51:29] <dannyBlue>	that's what i don't know roan.
[20:51:53] <carl-m>	that should work as well. the browser doesn't know any better
[20:52:16] <CIA-48>	03sanbeg * r33391 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_setup.php: a few tweaks so it should work out of the box for a normal install
[20:53:26] <dannyBlue>	almoust there. just need to fix the arrows
[20:53:40] <CIA-48>	03sanbeg * r33392 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_setup.php: typo in comment
[20:53:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special page to list missing files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6220  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[20:53:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New special page for most wanted images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13702  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[21:01:28] <dannyBlue>	sweet i think i am done. check it out: http://www.danielmd.net/wiki/index.php?title=Sandbox2
[21:03:12] <carl-m>	nice
[21:04:34] <CIA-48>	03sanbeg * r33393 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: add key during table creation instead of immediately after, for one less undocumented privilege (maybe the drop table could also be delete from table ?)
[21:05:38] <dannyBlue>	it's not very user friendly but it will do the trick ;)
[21:05:50] <dannyBlue>	thans for your help guys. Carl
[21:06:00] <carl-m>	no problem, hope it works out
[21:06:26] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special page to list missing files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6220  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:15:53] <CIA-48>	03siebrand * r33394 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/checkLanguage.inc: Disable plural checks for xmf
[21:18:27] <dannyBlue>	whoho check it out. I think this looks good :) http://www.danielmd.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[21:18:36] <datura>	moin
[21:24:19] <datura>	who'S messing with Special:Newpages (on wp:de)? looks like a superfluous <ul> wrapping the <ul>containing the <li>s. should be an <ol>. and i'd like to have the css-class back.
[21:25:30] <carl-m>	wow, the html of newpages is really ugly
[21:25:36] <carl-m>	no newlines before the <li> tags
[21:26:08] <datura>	carl-m: as long as my browser can parse it, that's fine by me :)
[21:36:26] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Site tagline message not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13755  +comment (10brion)
[21:39:49] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33395 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Group all logs in ERC, not an arbitrary subset
[21:43:59] <Cloud>	hi, now mediawiki says I have a GD problem
[22:00:40] <CIA-48>	03siebrand * r33396 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/checkLanguage.php: Make --links work for output=wiki too
[22:03:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable email notification for no.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13564  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:06:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please add a transwiki import source to dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13399  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:09:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a transwiki import source for commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13400  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:10:09] *kibble 	huggles JeLuF - you're back!
[22:10:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Technical updates to bs.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13451  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:14:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) change logo in spanish wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13296  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please change the logo of eu.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13360  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:17:28] <CIA-48>	03raymond * r33397 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialListgrouprights.php: loadAllMessages to ensure that all localizations for group names defined by extensions are loaded.
[22:41:45] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33398 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Add heuristic
[23:03:55] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33399 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogPage.php: Return false if nothing changed
[23:06:40] <CIA-48>	03rainman * r33400 10/trunk/phase3/ (15 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:06:40] <CIA-48>	Ajax suggestions:
[23:06:40] <CIA-48>	* check in a new ajax suggestion engine (mwsuggest.js) which uses
[23:06:40] <CIA-48>	 OpenSearch to fetch results (by default via API), this should
[23:06:40] <CIA-48>	 deprecated the old ajaxsearch thingy
[23:06:41] <CIA-48>	* extend PrefixSearchBackend hook to accept multiple namespaces for
[23:06:45] <CIA-48>	 future lucene use (default implementation however can still
[23:15:06] <AzaTht>	brion: around?
[23:16:36] <brion>	yo
[23:17:14] <AzaTht>	noticed something funky about redirect and targets (#names)
[23:18:20] <AzaTht>	a link adds two entries for me in the history if it's an redirect to an section
[23:19:38] <AzaTht>	brion: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/Link
[23:20:03] <AzaTht>	first it adds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milking_machine to the historyt
[23:20:05] <CIA-48>	03rainman * r33401 10/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch.php: 
[23:20:05] <CIA-48>	Pair to previous commit.
[23:20:05] <CIA-48>	* Support full 2.1 backend syntax
[23:20:05] <CIA-48>	* Provide PrefixSearchBackend override (2.1+)
[23:20:14] <AzaTht>	then it adds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milking_machine#Milking_machines
[23:20:38] <AzaTht>	don't think I've seen this before
[23:21:19] <brion>	AzaTht: that's because the jump over to the fragment is done in JS after you reach the page
[23:21:36] <AzaTht>	ok
[23:21:42] <AzaTht>	why?
[23:21:50] <AzaTht>	what's was the problem before?
[23:22:09] <AzaTht>	(and you can prevent the extra jump from adding to history anyway)
[23:23:44] <brion>	AzaTht: no chance from how it used to be done
[23:23:51] <brion>	it was apparently broken entirely for the last couple days, though
[23:23:56] <brion>	*change
[23:24:04] <CIA-48>	03rainman * r33402 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (15 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:24:04] <CIA-48>	Still small tweaks:
[23:24:04] <CIA-48>	* improve single words suggestion, at a best edit distance find a most
[23:24:04] <CIA-48>	 frequent words that is whole title
[23:24:04] <CIA-48>	* interwiki hack - resolve namespace names on interwiki hits, mediawiki
[23:24:08] <CIA-48>	 seems not to be able to convert namespace ids into namespaces names
[23:24:10] <CIA-48>	 in interwiki links - hopefully will drop this at some point
[23:24:37] <AzaTht>	where is the JS defined?
[23:24:48] <brion>	offhand i don't remember
[23:24:51] <AzaTht>	hmm
[23:25:02] <AzaTht>	wikibits perhaps
[23:26:17] <CIA-48>	03raymond * r33403 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: Use existing CSS classes for input form aligning
[23:34:58] <CIA-48>	03aaron * r33404 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php Block.php LogPage.php SpecialBlockip.php): 
[23:34:58] <CIA-48>	* Allow for things that call addEntry() to pass in a DB object to make the action and logging be one transaction
[23:34:58] <CIA-48>	* Improve logging transactions for block/delete
[23:35:42] <Rjd0060>	Quick question, AaronSchulz if you are around
[23:37:30] *kibble 	huggles ^demon
[23:42:43] *^demon 	huggles back
[23:47:00] <AphelionZ>	what is the recommended database collation for mediawiki
[23:48:43] <Dantman>	Unicode? Though last time I checked it didn't matter much as 85% of text is stored as binary
[23:49:04] <brion>	AphelionZ: going forward, i recommend the binary schema
[23:49:24] <brion>	hopefully for 1.13 we'll have put together an automatic upgrade & normalize script for existing wikis
[23:49:41] *Dantman 	consideres using utf8_binary_ci instead of utf8_general_ci
[23:49:43] <brion>	utf8 schema will fail for data containing non-BMP characters 
[23:50:26] <AphelionZ>	so just straight up binary?
[23:51:04] <AphelionZ>	i can ask the mysql guys how to properly normalize and convert my database
[23:51:16] <AphelionZ>	i just need to know which option to choose in phpmyadmin
[23:51:50] <AphelionZ>	binary it is :) i see it
[23:51:52] <AphelionZ>	thanks
[23:51:59] <Dantman>	Well, the actual default coallition is something you setup on the server itself
[23:52:34] <AphelionZ>	right but im getting wacky characters all over the place and its driving me crazy
[23:58:28] <CIA-48>	03brion * r33405 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: http://eng.i-iter.org/berto-wikiblog returns 404