[00:30:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) FCKeditor extension (WYSIWYG): new hook needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13821  +comment (10brion)
[00:42:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FCKeditor extension (WYSIWYG): new hook needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13821  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:45:30] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) InterWiki-Icons: show an optional small icon (favicon) on interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1254  +comment (10wiki)
[00:59:35] <anon1532_>	getting closer to fixing my wiki's infobox issue.  i'm unsure of where to go from here.  i am using templates directly from wikipedia.  a page example is:  http://www.religionisfree.org/wiki/index.php/Mary_Sue_Hubbard  as can be seen, it displays but without the border or proper alignment.  i found information about possible css that is missing, but no expanded theory on that yet.
[01:03:33] <Splarka>	well, the border and alignment are defined, on wikipedia, via css
[01:03:43] <Splarka>	so if you don't have the infobox's css, you don't get the border or alignment ^_^
[01:04:11] <anon1532_>	i just hijacked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css and threw it up but it doesn't change anything, i'm sure i'm missing something though 
[01:04:15] <anon1532_>	i think i'm on the right track at this point
[01:04:40] <Splarka>	http://www.religionisfree.org/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000
[01:04:44] <Splarka>	doesn't show it there
[01:04:57] <Splarka>	well, except stuff for calendars
[01:05:20] <Splarka>	you want stuff on Common.css starting at /* Infobox template style */
[01:05:28] <anon1532_>	hmmm i think i know what's up now
[01:05:32] <anon1532_>	thank you for pointing that out
[01:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Have a short rest, and maybe a cup of tea. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13825 major; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (wiki)
[01:05:47] <Splarka>	np
[01:06:58] <Splarka>	nice bug
[01:09:27] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Have a short rest, and maybe a cup of tea. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13825  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:10:22] <anon1532_>	we have lift off, thank you much splarka
[01:10:34] <anon1532_>	we thought we had to add common.css on the server, not just edit the damn page
[01:10:53] <Splarka>	heh
[01:11:54] <anon1532_>	the guy who was doing the main "setting shit up to work" part of this project vanished so i've been running around with my head chopped off trying to figure crap out.  i honestly have no idea what i'm doing with any of this. lulz.
[01:12:08] <anon1532_>	but it's working now :D
[01:28:12] <Splarka>	...b
[01:28:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 'Search in these namespaces by default' - text broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13826 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (wiki)
[01:44:10] <anon1532_>	your help fixed many problems that turned out to simply be the css, splarka.  i wish to grant you many virgins upon your entry into heaven.
[01:45:09] <Splarka>	meh, can I get those with mor experience instead? just a little
[01:45:13] <Splarka>	^more
[02:01:55] <_Steve_>	hi folks, i'm copying some templates over from wikipedia and noticing a difference in parserfunctions extension that i have vs. what's on wikipedia. there are a number of extra parser function hooks on wikipedia that i can't seem to find anywhere. anyone know about this or have hints?
[02:02:43] <_Steve_>	the ones that i don't have are #filepath, #iferror, #pagesincategory, #pagesize and particularly, #tag
[02:08:08] <Splarka>	_Steve_: several of those are not part of the extension, but new core parser functions
[02:08:31] <Splarka>	#tag for example is [MW1.12+, r29482]
[02:08:33] <_Steve_>	ok. i was just starting to wonder about upgrading from 1.11.0 to 1.12.0...
[02:09:05] <Splarka>	{{PAGESINCATEGORY}} is [MW1.13+]
[02:09:52] <Splarka>	#iferror *is* part of the ParserFunction extension, but is rather new too
[02:09:53] <_Steve_>	ok. might not need that one
[02:10:04] <Splarka>	it was done during the new pre-processor migration
[02:10:14] <_Steve_>	pre-processor migration?
[02:10:17] <_Steve_>	don't know anything about that
[02:10:27] <Splarka>	because in the old parser there was a way to detect invalid output of functions like #expr, but not in the new
[02:10:59] *Splarka 	looks for the page
[02:11:01] <_Steve_>	where can i read about the new parser?
[02:11:04] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor
[02:11:12] <_Steve_>	interesting
[02:11:22] <_Steve_>	i'm just trying to get folks at work to use categories and categorize things, instead of making lists that have to be maintained manually, so i'm copying a bunch of messagebox templates over....
[02:11:32] <Splarka>	the changes are mostly in background efficiency, but it was impossible to make it completely transparent ^_^
[02:11:40] <Splarka>	ahh
[02:11:45] <Splarka>	then you don't need to worry too much about all this
[02:11:54] <Splarka>	but the things you describe, especially #tag, just require upgrading
[02:11:57] <_Steve_>	a lot of them have {{#tag:imagemap| Image:Padlock-red.svg|20px default This high-risk template is protected from editing to prevent vandalism. desc none }} which isn't getting parsed...
[02:12:03] <Splarka>	oh
[02:12:06] <Splarka>	you can remove that
[02:12:15] <Splarka>	or replace it with [[Image]]
[02:12:25] <_Steve_>	ok
[02:12:25] <Splarka>	that there, is simply to make a clickable image
[02:12:37] <Splarka>	Wikipedia perfectionism ^_^
[02:12:40] <_Steve_>	lot of work for such a simple thing
[02:12:59] <Splarka>	[[Image:Padlock-red.svg|20px]] would link to /wiki/Image:Padlock-red.svg
[02:13:03] <_Steve_>	anyway, i figure i might as well get it working. figuring out why prompted me to notice i need to upgrade.
[02:13:09] <Splarka>	heh
[02:13:37] <_Steve_>	i'm going to be using Template:Uncategorized a lot
[02:13:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Export upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Phoenixoverride)
[02:14:01] <_Steve_>	and Template:Context too
[02:14:25] <_Steve_>	and i need a template that says "hey dummy, use categories rather than making lists you have to manually maintain!"
[02:15:26] <_Steve_>	Template:Uncategorized isn't quite the right message for these folks... anyway, thanks for the info. i'll put the upgrade off until tomorrow, but at least i know what's wrong now.
[02:16:45] <_Steve_>	heh, "MediaWiki developer and Wikimedia system administrator"... developer and sysadmin, always a recipe for well maintained software and cleanly systems. ;)
[02:18:01] <Claudio>	Hello
[02:18:28] <Claudio>	can anyone help me with a question related with the Categories feature of wikimedia?
[02:18:53] <ST47>	only if you ask it
[02:18:59] <Claudio>	LOL.
[02:18:59] <ST47>	(Not that I have an answer)
[02:19:52] <Claudio>	I just created a new category for my wiki, but I want to place links for this category in the middle of my articles (as a regular wikilink) any idea how to make it?
[02:20:33] <Splarka>	prefix with colon
[02:20:38] <ST47>	[[:Category:Foo]]
[02:20:39] <Splarka>	[[:Category:Foobar]]
[02:20:57] <Splarka>	same for Image: links, interlang links, etc
[02:21:19] <Claudio>	I tried, but he adds the word Category before the name.
[02:21:25] <Splarka>	so pipe it
[02:21:26] <Claudio>	that´s normal?
[02:21:30] <Splarka>	[[:Category:Foobar|any text you want]]
[02:21:37] <Claudio>	let me try it
[02:21:39] <Splarka>	same as any wikilink
[02:21:44] <Splarka>	[[Link|text]]
[02:22:46] <Claudio>	it worked perfectly..
[02:22:50] <Claudio>	thank´s a buch mates
[02:22:59] <Claudio>	sorry for the stupid question
[02:23:45] <ST47>	Np
[02:23:57] <ST47>	It's nice to be able to aswer a question in here for once.
[02:23:58] <ST47>	:)
[02:24:14] <Claudio>	LOL
[02:24:42] <Claudio>	I´m still learning about the wiki, and as more I play with him, more i love it
[02:25:49] <Claudio>	got go, thank´s for the help
[02:46:59] <Dantman>	Large comment comming
[02:47:22] <Dantman>	Ack... :/ I forgot to checkout with svn+ssh
[02:50:06] <Splarka>	that wasn't so big
[02:50:25] <Dantman>	heh
[03:06:00] <Dantman>	Ok, large commit comment incomming... (or is there a way to make the CIA bots not show it?)
[03:07:50] <CIA-50>	03dantman * r33761 10/branches/titlerewrite/phase3/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[03:07:50] <CIA-50>	Merging my old data, with my svn data, and adding in some new data. Finally creating a single set of data to work with instead of having half baked code all over the place.
[03:07:50] <CIA-50>	I can't guarantee this will all work though, I had to convert the old 'real' format to the new 'ui' format.
[03:07:50] <CIA-50>	docs/hooks.txt - Document new TitleNormalizerBackconvert hook in TitleNormalizer.php.
[03:07:52] <CIA-50>	includes/AutoLoader.php - Adding TitleNormalizer class into autoloads.
[03:07:54] <CIA-50>	includes/DefaultSettings.php - New configuration variable $wfTitleNormalizerClass for overriding the standard normalizer class.
[03:07:57] <CIA-50>	includes/LinkCache.php - Adding in page_title_ui to the list of data bits extracted from the database by the link cache.
[03:08:54] <Dantman>	Well, at least it trimms out 2/3 of the commit message
[03:52:41] <Betacommand>	where is file upload enabled in the config?
[03:53:56] <Betacommand>	nevermind
[03:59:28] <CIA-50>	03dantman * r33762 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (3 files): 
[03:59:28] <CIA-50>	The OpenID extension reuses the same error over and over and over. It is impossible to debug what is causing the error because of this.
[03:59:28] <CIA-50>	Adding in semi-descriptive wfDebug messages so that administrators with logging enabled may track down what configuration or other issue may be causing an issue with their OpenID logins.
[03:59:28] <CIA-50>	(Evan confirmed this addition is ok)
[04:28:01] <CIA-50>	03yaron * r33763 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[04:28:01] <CIA-50>	Added additional check for whether field is a relation; removed stray "END;"
[04:28:01] <CIA-50>	call
[04:28:40] <CIA-50>	03yaron * r33764 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Fixed handling for query strings containing single-quote
[04:35:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Language-specific article count variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1534  (10waldir)
[05:03:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) InterWiki-Icons: show an optional small icon (favicon) on interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1254  (10mail)
[05:49:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) InterWiki-Icons: show an optional small icon (favicon) on interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1254  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[05:51:15] <Jutiphan>	Anyone knows about Mediawiki APi?
[05:51:35] <Jutiphan>	This query doesn't seem to go through
[05:51:36] <Jutiphan>	http://th.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=xml&prop=revisions&rvprop=timestamp|user|comment|content&titles=%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%b4+%e0%b9%81%e0%b8%ad%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%b4%e0%b9%80%e0%b8%a1%e0%b8%97%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%b4%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%8b%e0%b9%8c|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%b5%e0%b9%82%e0%b8%a1...%
[05:51:39] <Jutiphan>	e0%b8%9b%e0%b8%a5%e0%b8%b2%e0%b9%80%e0%b8%a5%e0%b9%87%e0%b8%81%e0%b8%ab%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%a7%e0%b9%83%e0%b8%88%e0%b9%82%e0%b8%95%e0%b9%8a...%e0%b9%82%e0%b8%95|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b8%9b%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%b0%e0%b8%a7%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%95%e0%b8%b4%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%b0%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%97%e0%b8%98%e0%b9%80%e0%b8%88%e0%b9%89%e0%b8%b2|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8
[05:51:40] <Jutiphan>	%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b9%84%e0%b8%9f%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%ad%e0%b8%a5%e0%b9%81%e0%b8%9f%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%95%e0%b8%b2%e0%b8%8b%e0%b8%b5+VII+%e0%b9%81%e0%b8%ad%e0%b8%94%e0%b9%80%e0%b8%a7%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%95%e0%b9%8c%e0%b8%8a%e0%b8%b4%e0%b8%a5%e0%b9%80%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%99|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%a7%e0%b8%a1%e0%b9%80%e0%b8%ab%e0%b8%a5%e0%b9%
[05:51:42] <Jutiphan>	88%e0%b8%b2%e0%b8%a2%e0%b8%ad%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b4%e0%b8%97%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%81%e0%b8%a9%e0%b9%8c%e0%b9%82%e0%b8%a5%e0%b8%81|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%b0-%e0%b8%97%e0%b8%b0-%e0%b8%97%e0%b8%b9-%e0%b8%ad%e0%b8%b5%e0%b9%88+%e0%b8%9e%e0%b9%88%e0%b8%ad%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%a3%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%a7%e0%b8%95%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%a7%e0%b8%88%e0%b8%b5%e0
[05:51:47] <Jutiphan>	%b9%8a%e0%b8%94+%e0%b8%ab%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%a7%e0%b9%83%e0%b8%88%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b1%e0%b8%9a%e0%b9%82%e0%b8%a5%e0%b8%81|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%a2%3a%e0%b8%aa%e0%b8%b8%e0%b8%94%e0%b8%aa%e0%b8%b2%e0%b8%84%e0%b8%a3+(%e0%b8%a0%e0%b8%b2%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%a2%e0%b8%99%e0%b8%95%e0%b8%a3%e0%b9%8c%e0%b8%81%e0%b8%b2%e0%b8%a3%e0%b9%8c%e0%b8%95%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%99)|%e0%b8%9e%e0%b8%b9%e0%b8%
[05:51:54] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	:)
[05:51:56] <flyingparchment>	idiot
[05:51:58] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	haha
[05:52:10] <Dantman>	heh
[05:52:23] <Jutiphan>	It's only 50 pages
[05:52:27] <Splarka>	try submitting it via POST
[05:52:28] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	Jutiphan, stop it
[05:52:29] <Jutiphan>	It's only 50 pages
[05:52:33] <Dantman>	heh
[05:52:35] <Splarka>	wikimedia URI limit is like 4000 characters
[05:52:41] <Jutiphan>	Hmm...
[05:52:42] <Jutiphan>	oh
[05:52:45] <Jutiphan>	That's so small
[05:52:50] <Splarka>	yeah, so use POST
[05:52:56] <Dantman>	:/ It's a GET, what do you expect
[05:53:08] <Jutiphan>	How can I use POST?
[05:53:11] <Jutiphan>	Dont I have to GET?
[05:53:12] <Splarka>	...
[05:53:14] <Dantman>	You're not supposted to SEND with GET... that's the reason we have POST
[05:53:20] <Splarka>	what language are you using?
[05:53:26] <Dantman>	Forms are your friend!
[05:53:28] <Splarka>	python? javascript?
[05:53:32] <Jutiphan>	I am using C# actually
[05:54:25] <Jutiphan>	so if I use POST
[05:54:38] <Jutiphan>	where do I put the data
[05:54:41] <Jutiphan>	of query strings
[05:54:58] <Jutiphan>	so POST is supposed to submit the data to the server
[05:55:12] <Jutiphan>	but aren't these submitted via query strings
[05:55:15] <Splarka>	uri-encode it as titles=whatever
[05:55:19] <Jutiphan>	or is there other documentede way I miss?
[05:55:34] <Jutiphan>	If you can tell me how to do it in Javascript
[05:55:39] <Jutiphan>	I should be able to do it in C#
[05:55:58] <Splarka>	object.open('POST', url, true)
[05:56:06] <Splarka>	object.setRequestHeader('Method', 'POST ' + url + ' HTTP/1.1')
[05:56:23] <Splarka>	and send Content-type, Content-length, and then .send()
[05:56:24] <Jutiphan>	oh
[05:56:26] <Jutiphan>	so everything is the same
[05:56:30] <Jutiphan>	but just use post method?
[05:56:30] <Splarka>	pretty much
[05:56:32] <Jutiphan>	ok
[05:56:34] <Jutiphan>	will try
[05:56:36] <Jutiphan>	thanks a lot
[05:56:38] <Jutiphan>	been trying to figure this out
[05:56:41] <Splarka>	except you don't put the big request into the URI
[05:57:05] <Jutiphan>	Yeah encode64 really suck for non-English languages
[05:57:13] <Splarka>	heh
[05:57:26] <Jutiphan>	lucky English wiki doesn't have to deal with these issues 
[05:57:32] <Splarka>	sure they do
[05:57:51] <Splarka>	a 255.255.255.255/24 format CIDR check exceeds URI limits
[05:57:57] <Jutiphan>	I'm glad Firefox 3 Beta 5 now display UTF on the web address
[05:58:00] <Jutiphan>	that makes it readable
[05:59:49] <Splarka>	you might ask in ##csharp if you need more helps (with the code)
[06:02:34] <Jutiphan>	ok, trying now
[06:02:46] <Jutiphan>	I am going to pass http://th.wikipedia.org/w/api.php as the URI
[06:02:52] <Jutiphan>	then the data as action=query&....
[06:02:53] <Jutiphan>	right?
[06:03:14] <Jutiphan>	let's see if this works
[06:03:16] <Splarka>	right (if C# is normal at all)
[06:04:12] *Werdna 	waves
[06:07:45] <Jutiphan>	wow
[06:07:47] <Jutiphan>	it works
[06:07:49] <Jutiphan>	let's try 500
[06:08:17] <Jutiphan>	ok
[06:08:19] <Jutiphan>	awesome
[06:08:21] <Jutiphan>	1000 even works
[06:08:25] <Jutiphan>	thank you very much guys
[06:08:55] <Splarka>	enjoy
[06:09:08] <Jutiphan>	oh
[06:09:10] <Jutiphan>	just curious
[06:09:17] <Jutiphan>	do you have plans to implement save into the API
[06:09:23] <Splarka>	curiousity killed the category
[06:09:38] <Splarka>	it is implemented but currently disabled on wikimedia IIRC
[06:13:14] <Jutiphan>	oh ok
[06:13:17] <Jutiphan>	actually I got this
[06:13:18] <Jutiphan>	rvpage_count may not be over 50 (set to 500) for users
[06:13:22] <Splarka>	Jutiphan: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Changing_wiki_content
[06:13:52] <Jutiphan>	hmm..
[06:13:54] <Jutiphan>	I am just getting the last revision
[06:13:57] <Jutiphan>	that's all i need
[06:14:14] <Jutiphan>	action=query&format=xml&prop=revisions&rvprop=timestamp|user|comment|content&titles=
[06:14:40] <Splarka>	a bot flag should increase that to 500 IIRC
[06:14:46] <Jutiphan>	hmm..
[06:14:53] <Jutiphan>	I thought the user gets 500, and bot gets 5000
[06:15:13] <Jutiphan>	oh
[06:15:17] <Jutiphan>	let me try to set rvlimit to 1
[06:15:55] <Splarka>	well, usually 10x more as bot ^_^
[06:16:16] <Jutiphan>	ok
[06:16:20] <Jutiphan>	I think it means revisions of the page
[06:16:24] <Jutiphan>	but not the page count
[06:16:40] <Jutiphan>	Splarka, what do you do?
[06:16:45] <Jutiphan>	do you actually work in the mediawiki API?
[06:16:50] <Jutiphan>	just curious
[06:17:50] <Splarka>	I just abuse it, in javascript
[06:18:01] <Splarka>	and annoy Roan and Yurik to add features ^_^
[06:19:19] <Jutiphan>	oh I see
[06:19:24] <Dantman>	heh
[06:19:30] <Jutiphan>	what kind of javascript you write for
[06:19:36] <Jutiphan>	i mean to implement what feature
[06:20:01] <Splarka>	well, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-contribsrange.js
[06:20:40] <Splarka>	and other stuff like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/dabfinder.js 
[06:21:12] <Jutiphan>	hmm.. they might reduce the limit to 50
[06:21:13] <Splarka>	it is much better than scraping pages, especially when you can combine queries
[06:21:14] <Jutiphan>	that would be lame
[06:21:24] <Jutiphan>	I subscribed to the mediawiki-api thingy
[06:21:28] <creamyg>	hi, I am curious, can you embed HTML in mediawiki that can link to files other than HTML?  can you run PHP? 
[06:21:30] <Jutiphan>	and don't see anything mentioned about this change recently
[06:21:58] <creamyg>	I would like to link to dynamically updated files that can be dynamically updated on the wiki
[06:22:17] <creamyg>	whats the limit to the HTML I can use?
[06:22:49] <creamyg>	if there is a FAQ somewhere, just give me a link, I have been reading through the mediawiki, uh, wiki
[06:24:18] <creamyg>	nm, found it at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext
[06:24:22] <creamyg>	peace fuckwhits!
[06:32:34] <Jutiphan>	hey Splarka
[06:32:36] <Jutiphan>	are you still tehre?
[06:34:05] <Splarka>	rar?
[06:34:31] <Jutiphan>	just curious
[06:34:37] <Jutiphan>	I am thinking of improving login speed
[06:34:47] <Jutiphan>	is it all just about obtaining cookies?
[06:34:53] <Jutiphan>	I am thinking of caching the cookies
[06:34:58] <Jutiphan>	so the next time I restart the app
[06:35:01] <Jutiphan>	i just load the old cookies
[06:35:08] <Jutiphan>	instead of calling the login page everytime
[06:35:14] <Jutiphan>	it's getting time cosuming when debugging and stuff
[06:35:42] <Jutiphan>	just throwing it out there hehe
[06:35:45] <Jutiphan>	in case you have some ideas
[06:36:55] <Splarka>	well, they last about 6 months when you use [x] remember me, in a web browser
[06:55:47] <CIA-50>	03mfarag * r33765 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesArz.php: Add magic words, etc
[07:00:01] <Clone_>	hi
[07:00:07] <Nikerabbit>	hui
[07:00:24] <Clone_>	i have one question
[07:00:31] <Clone_>	when i search something
[07:00:34] <Clone_>	for example
[07:00:36] <Clone_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=dasda&go=Go
[07:01:27] <str4nd>	and?
[07:01:38] <Clone_>	under the web
[07:01:47] <Clone_>	i dont want that appear Advanced search
[07:01:56] <Clone_>	can i modify this?
[07:06:41] <Splarka>	Clone_: you can hide it with css, eg: #powersearch {display:none;}
[07:07:57] <Clone_>	Splarka: thanks :)
[07:08:01] <Splarka>	np
[07:39:57] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33766 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_RSSlink.php: 
[07:39:57] <CIA-50>	Use XML formatted data values, not localised strings for internal processing! As a bonus, the XML format is
[07:39:57] <CIA-50>	already ISO compatible (strictly speaking with exception of year 0, but there are no RSS feeds around that
[07:39:57] <CIA-50>	date).
[07:50:20] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33767 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/AskSpecial/SMW_SpecialAsk.php: 
[07:50:21] <CIA-50>	Special handling for SMW <=1.1 RSS URLs which often did not specify any sorting condition and still were
[07:50:21] <CIA-50>	sorted magically.
[08:15:34] <Jutiphan>	Hmm...
[08:15:36] <Jutiphan>	Back again
[08:15:39] <Jutiphan>	Interestingly
[08:15:41] <Jutiphan>	It seems to be 
[08:15:44] <Jutiphan>	probably
[08:15:51] <Jutiphan>	actually don't know anymore
[08:16:02] <Jutiphan>	I passed in the Bot account cookies and can get 1000 articles 
[08:16:07] <Jutiphan>	but without it, only 50
[08:16:09] <Jutiphan>	interesting
[08:16:12] <Jutiphan>	it used to be 500
[08:16:21] <Jutiphan>	so I guess the bot limit is still the same with 5000
[08:46:47] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r33768 10/trunk/tools/commonsapi/commonsapi.php: svn:eol-style native
[08:54:19] <mingers>	hi is there a database that stores what page_namespace corresponds to what?
[08:54:30] <mingers>	i was looking at this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Mediawiki-database-schema.png
[08:54:33] <mingers>	couldn't find it
[08:54:40] <flyingparchment>	mingers: no, that is defined in the code
[08:54:44] <mingers>	0 apparently corresponds to the article namespace
[08:54:48] <flyingparchment>	include/Defines.php
[08:55:11] <mingers>	is that a settings file or is that hardcoded?
[08:55:24] <flyingparchment>	the basic namespaces are fixed, additional ones can be added by the administrator
[08:56:17] <mingers>	is there a listing somewhere of what they are for wikipedia?
[08:56:36] <Lady_Aleena>	Namespaces?
[08:57:06] <flyingparchment>	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.html -- search for $wgExtraNamespaces
[08:57:16] <flyingparchment>	sorry, no $
[08:57:28] <Lady_Aleena>	article, User, Category, Image, Template, Wikipedia, Help,and Portal
[09:02:49] <Splarka>	well, you can get lists from various sources, eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces
[09:08:08] <mingers>	flyingparchment, lady_allena, splarka, thanks for your help
[09:08:34] <mingers>	i need the full list with corresponding ids so the last one is the best reference for me
[09:08:36] <mingers>	thanks
[09:10:47] <Splarka>	rar
[09:10:53] <Jutiphan>	hey...
[09:10:56] <Lady_Aleena>	zip
[09:11:10] <Jutiphan>	I am thiking mediaWiki APi should provide
[09:11:25] <Jutiphan>	a function to get all pages in category and all its subcategories
[09:11:30] <Jutiphan>	would be really useful
[09:11:40] <Jutiphan>	is there one already exist? (in case I am missing something)
[09:11:45] <Splarka>	categorymembers
[09:11:46] <Jutiphan>	or I might as well file a suggestion
[09:12:56] <Splarka>	subcats for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Dogs&cmnamespace=14
[09:13:27] <Splarka>	and the query-continue lets you repeat until you get the full lists
[09:14:19] <Jutiphan>	yeah
[09:14:22] <Jutiphan>	that's the thing
[09:14:33] <Jutiphan>	I am thinking there should be one so that you don't have to repeat sending queries
[09:14:39] <Jutiphan>	waste bandwidth and time on both sides
[09:15:01] <Splarka>	...
[09:34:48] <Jutiphan>	you think so?
[09:34:54] <Jutiphan>	i mean.. don't you think so?
[09:35:19] <Jutiphan>	I think it might be becausing taking too much processing time on the server side
[09:35:21] <Jutiphan>	possibly
[09:35:48] <ierpe>	hey, does anyone here use the spamregex extension?
[09:42:59] <ierpe>	does someone here have used the bad behaviour extension?
[09:43:17] <ierpe>	i have an undefined offset notice that i cant get ri of
[09:43:22] <ierpe>	rid of*
[10:23:18] <CIA-50>	03raymond * r33769 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[10:23:18] <CIA-50>	* Add a nice fieldset around the input form
[10:23:19] <CIA-50>	* Fix double escaping of some elements
[10:23:19] <CIA-50>	* Be smart to $wgCapitalLinks = true wikis and accept input with a lower case first character
[10:23:19] <CIA-50>	* Use the default -summary message as header
[10:25:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	ialex, seems that the bug with $wgValidSkinNames in Configure is fixed now, thanks again :D
[10:27:06] <ialex>	Jack_Phoenix: really ? :)
[10:27:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	seems very much so, but I guess I can test it again, just a moment ;)
[10:29:07] <Jack_Phoenix>	yup. togged $wgEnableScaryTransclusion on in Configure, went to Special:Preferences and it has the default skins - only one of each, as it should \o/
[10:44:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595  +comment (10grahamwp)
[10:51:29] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r33770 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings.php: Oops, $wgThumbLimits is a 'simple' array
[10:55:25] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	ialex, where can i see example of Configure extension
[10:55:35] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	or some screenshots
[10:56:09] <ialex>	Sasa^Stefanovic: i didn't make any screenshots for the moment
[10:56:27] <ialex>	maybe i Should :)
[10:56:36] <ialex>	-S +s
[10:56:44] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	yes
[10:56:55] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	or give some example wiki where users can see extension live
[11:20:46] <ialex>	Sasa^Stefanovic: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:SpecialConfigure.jpg
[11:21:57] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hmm, that looks realy nie
[11:21:58] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	nice*
[11:23:08] <lubosz>	hi, is the wiki path saved somewhere in the database?
[11:23:13] <lubosz>	and if, where?
[11:23:57] <ialex>	it is $wgScriptPath in LocalSettings.php
[11:25:20] <lubosz>	i changed that, but it does not seem to work
[11:27:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Only pagename should be in quotation marks in MediaWiki: Missingarticle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13828 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lejonel)
[11:36:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Only pagename should be in quotation marks in MediaWiki: Missingarticle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13828  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[12:06:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Expose Special:ExpandTemplates' "Show XML parse tree" via the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13829 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (ais523)
[12:08:47] <zocky>	ialex, that does look very nice... will you update it manually when DefaultSettings.php changes?
[12:09:19] <ialex>	zocky: yes
[12:09:50] <zocky>	ialex, I had a hazy idea to make a wiki template structure that would generate both DefaultSettings.php and the configuration form
[12:10:10] <zocky>	from the same source, called with a different argument
[12:10:16] <zocky>	if you understand what I mean
[12:11:09] <ialex>	dunno if it would be easy to do :)
[12:12:05] <lubosz>	how do i upgrade from mediawiki-1.5.8 to current?
[12:12:25] <lubosz>	just runnung the upgrade.php in command line, or do i have to edit config files?
[12:12:59] <zocky>	ialex, i'm writing this set of extensions that will (among many other things) allow you to have raw html in mediawiki messages, and you'll be able to allow or disallow inclusion into other namespaces
[12:13:29] <ialex>	lubosz: maybe you will have to update some settings
[12:13:45] <lubosz>	where do i see what i need to change?
[12:14:49] <ialex>	lubosz: see UPGRADE file
[12:14:58] <lubosz>	k thx
[12:15:27] <zocky>	lubosz, after that, try to run it (after updating) and see what happens. if you get error messages, check your LocalSettings.php, and look for the settings that you have there in includes/DefaultSettings.php 
[12:16:09] <lubosz>	i think i should overwrite includes/DefaultSettings.php with the new one
[12:16:24] <zocky>	lubosz, that's in the package
[12:16:30] <zocky>	you shouldn't need to do it manually
[12:16:57] <zocky>	you shouldn't edit that file, it's just useful for looking up which settings exist 
[12:17:45] <lubosz>	k
[12:18:55] <lubosz>	the upgrade script should be run in command line?
[12:19:04] <ialex>	yes
[12:19:08] <lubosz>	k thx
[12:22:26] <zocky>	lubosz, you should have AdminSettings.php set up correctly
[12:22:45] <zocky>	and then run php maintenance/upgrade.php from the base directory
[12:23:18] <lubosz>	is upgrade1_5.php for version 1,5,X=
[12:23:19] <lubosz>	?
[12:23:46] <zocky>	lubosz, dunno, open it and read what it says
[12:24:14] <zocky>	UPGRADE file probably has info on that too
[12:24:17] <lubosz>	k, it aborts, cause some tables exist
[12:24:23] <lubosz>	update.php works
[12:26:15] <lubosz>	thx a lot, it worked
[12:26:23] <lubosz>	1.12.0
[12:28:43] <zocky>	damn, I have to go write {{#if2: function
[12:28:54] <zocky>	or {{#wrapif: or whatever I should call it
[12:29:17] <zocky>	i write {{#if:{{{a|}}}|foo bar {{{a|}}} baz}} way to often
[12:32:11] <zocky>	is there an extension for editing a part of the source, by start and end position?
[12:32:51] <zocky>	i.e. like section editing, but counted by characters, not sections
[12:33:53] <Nikerabbit>	no
[12:33:56] <d1d4c>	hi
[12:34:42] <d1d4c>	Is there some how to see in special:categories, only the categories and not the subcategories?
[12:35:33] <d1d4c>	well in fact, the subcategories are categories too, but..
[12:36:11] <Nikerabbit>	use uncategorized categories?
[12:36:30] <d1d4c>	mm... yes maybe, let me see.
[12:36:38] <d1d4c>	thn Nikerabbit:)
[12:38:24] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33771 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Infolink.php: fixed parameter encoding issues
[12:38:43] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33772 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/SearchTriple/SMW_SpecialSearchByProperty.php: fixed bug in form-based search
[12:39:35] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33773 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Settings.php: minor, updated comment
[12:40:25] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33774 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_RSSlink.php: use rss+xml as mime type
[12:43:13] <R-mus>	hello, where can I change the skin for a user?
[12:43:55] <R-mus>	one of our users changed skin and now she cant change back, so I figured I just make the change for her
[12:49:29] <CIA-50>	03jojo * r33775 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/README.txt: added remark about session timeout of PHP
[13:02:35] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33776 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (INSTALL RELEASE-NOTES): prepare for minor bugfix release 1.1.1
[13:13:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cortado Ogg player control bar covers some of the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13795  (10tstarling)
[13:15:56] <BjornH>	!toolbox
[13:15:56] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "toolbox".
[13:16:16] <BjornH>	!navigation
[13:16:16] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "navigation". You might try: !purge !sidebar 
[13:16:33] <BjornH>	!sidebar
[13:16:33] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[13:16:50] <tale>	!help
[13:16:50] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[13:17:14] <witozzo>	is there a way to automatically create a page from several wiki-pages (link to pages are on one wiki page)
[13:20:22] <tale>	witozzo: What would the creation do in addition to including the contents of the pages?
[13:21:22] <witozzo>	only that
[13:21:26] <BjornH>	!purge
[13:21:26] --mwbot--	To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[13:21:52] <witozzo>	tale: just concatenate the content of the different pages
[13:21:53] <tale>	witozzo: Then write {{:nameofpage}} to the page.
[13:24:52] <witozzo>	ok, thanks for your help
[13:28:01] <CIA-50>	03btongminh * r33777 10/trunk/pngds/ (pngreader.c pngresize.c): Fix a memory leak. Fix calculation of resize dimensions.
[13:31:32] <CIA-50>	03mkroetzsch * r33778 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: version increment after minor release
[13:32:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mediawiki connects to centralauth database for logged in users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13801  (10tstarling)
[13:34:04] <soroush>	!wygiwys
[13:34:04] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wygiwys".
[13:34:39] <tale>	!wysiwyg | soroush 
[13:34:39] --mwbot--	soroush: What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions>.
[13:35:09] <soroush>	thanks tale
[13:42:07] <ialex>	TimStarling: for bug 13801: i get a call of CentralAuthUser::getInstance() by autopromote when checking if user can read
[13:45:27] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33779 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[13:46:38] <lubosz>	is it possible that the $wgScriptPath is cached in the database? or configured in the admin backend?
[13:47:16] <TimStarling>	ialex: what autopromote?
[13:47:46] <ialex>	TimStarling: Autopromote::recCheckCondition( 3, Object(User) )
[13:48:02] *ialex 	opens Defines.php
[13:48:24] <ialex>	and 3 is APCOND_EMAILCONFIRMED
[13:48:26] <TimStarling>	in what file?
[13:48:45] <TimStarling>	ok, I've got it
[13:51:07] <lubosz>	my $wgScriptPath is correct, but i restored a database, and now he takes the wrong basedir
[13:51:22] <ialex>	TimStarling: i have a patch so that CentralAuth use the cache for global user, if you want
[13:51:54] <TimStarling>	so that mediawiki can take 3ms to load information from memcached that it doesn't need?
[13:52:48] <TimStarling>	does it load data from the centralauth slave and save it to back to memcached?
[13:53:28] <ialex>	it should
[13:53:54] <ialex>	and fall back to db if there isn't information in cache
[13:54:18] <TimStarling>	it damn well shouldn't, what happens when it loads stale data from a slave, then the cache will never be updated
[13:55:32] <ialex>	but the problem is that it should clear info for all local accounts when changing something
[13:55:57] <TimStarling>	you mean you save global data into the local cache?
[13:56:08] <TimStarling>	why not save it into a global cache?
[13:57:08] <ialex>	maybe i can, but the when have to load all information about all attached account when loading from db
[13:57:56] <TimStarling>	can you rephrase that?
[13:58:34] <AaronSchulz>	hehe
[14:00:25] <ialex>	when loading the global account, it also load with a join on localuser table if the local account is attached to the global account
[14:00:55] <TimStarling>	I see
[14:01:45] <TimStarling>	so your patch just joins it with the local wiki? or does it load all localuser rows?
[14:02:23] <ialex>	for the moment, just the local wiki
[14:02:33] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: there is no $IP before including commandline :o
[14:03:39] <ialex>	but i can modify it to load all localusers rows to save it in global cache
[14:04:28] <TimStarling>	presumably then you have no invalidation at all
[14:04:59] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: oh yeah, damn.
[14:05:55] <TimStarling>	is werdna committing classic remote execution vulnerabilities?
[14:06:45] <ialex>	TimStarling: you can invalidate global user cache when changing some of its properties
[14:07:41] <TimStarling>	caching is complicated and error prone
[14:07:56] <AaronSchulz>	hmm
[14:08:01] <zocky>	can I cause a template not to be cached while the page is parsed, or rather make it so that calls with same arguments are evalueated each time?
[14:08:04] <Werdna>	TimStarling: no, we're ttalking command-line scripts
[14:08:24] <Werdna>	TimStarling: and it was on wikitech-l,notin code.
[14:08:40] <zocky>	i'm trying to make something like firebug "inspect" for wiki pages
[14:08:42] <TimStarling>	there's a few ways to do it right, but you have to be very, very careful about how you do it
[14:09:28] <TimStarling>	Werdna: it's an arbitrary execution vulnerability
[14:10:11] <zocky>	my templates can now tell where they are called from and where in the source the template call is, but if a same template is called multiple times with the same arguments, the start and end position parser functions of course don't get reevaluated
[14:10:43] <jlerner>	is there any way to get an rss feed of recent additions to a category?
[14:10:44] <Werdna>	TimStarling: only for register_globals on, but yes.
[14:13:38] <AaronSchulz>	Every time I think about register_globals is always wows me
[14:13:49] <AaronSchulz>	*it
[14:14:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Auto protect the rediects created when a protected page is move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13830 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[14:15:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto protect the redirects created when a protected page is move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13830  summary (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[14:16:17] <TimStarling>	Werdna: basically, if you commit that, and it gets released, you create thousands of free spam hosting services spread across the internet
[14:16:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto protect the redirects created when a protected page is move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13830  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:16:34] <TimStarling>	don't give me this "only for register_globals" stuff
[14:16:41] <Werdna>	TimStarling: commit WHAT exactly?
[14:16:51] <TimStarling>	global $IP;
[14:17:03] <TimStarling>	require_once( "$IP/maintenance/commandLine.inc" );
[14:17:27] <Werdna>	oh right, that. It was a mental blank - I thought for some reason that LocalSettings.php was already loaded when you loaded up a command line script.
[14:17:43] <Werdna>	nikerabbit reminded me of that.
[14:19:17] <nakon>	On http://download.wikimedia.org , are there any dumps for en.wiki that have the full revision data except for content?
[14:21:23] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: hmm, I see like 4 maintenance scripts that do that now
[14:22:29] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: eek!
[14:22:49] *AaronSchulz 	stabs register_globals
[14:22:56] <AaronSchulz>	what a terrible idea
[14:23:11] <AaronSchulz>	horrible monstrosity
[14:36:04] <lubosz>	help, the thumbnails are written in 700 :(
[14:36:12] <lubosz>	so they are forbidden for the web user
[14:38:25] <zocky>	what's $wgUseMetadataEdit for?
[14:39:06] <zocky>	I see I get the the extra edit box, but can I search the metadata, or do anything else useful with it?
[15:08:52] <CIA-50>	03raymond * r33780 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ (Expr.php ParserFunctions.i18n.php): 
[15:08:52] <CIA-50>	* (bug 13216 ) Add trigonometrical functions sin, cos, tan, asin, acos, atan and exp, ln, abs, floor, trunc, ceil, ^, and the constants pi and e.
[15:08:52] <CIA-50>	This should help to avoid complicate templates which simulates these functions for geocoding purposes.
[15:08:52] <CIA-50>	Patch by Rene Kijewski
[15:10:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable trigonometrical functions to #expr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13216  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:10:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add syndicated feeds for creation of new articles in a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6328  +comment (10jlerner)
[15:23:53] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: want to fix that $IP use ?
[15:28:01] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: not now. too late for code
[15:38:13] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r33781 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php): Let anyone see the changed includes
[15:49:13] <CIA-50>	03yaron * r33782 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/specials/DT_ViewXML.php: 
[15:49:13] <CIA-50>	Improved treeContainsElement() to handle case when the tree (i.e., category)
[15:49:13] <CIA-50>	is null
[15:49:33] <CIA-50>	03yaron * r33783 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/ (INSTALL includes/DT_GlobalFunctions.php): New version, 0.1.6
[15:52:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:02:55] <MinuteElectron>	Hi, is anyone available to quickly glance over 10 line patch for making the MessageCache::get function accept a language code as a parameter instead of the forContent parameters?
[16:08:29] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33784 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[16:08:29] <CIA-50>	* When undoing an edit, make sure it wasn't deleted.
[16:08:29] <CIA-50>	* Show a proper error message for non-existant or deleted revisions when undoing.
[16:12:26] <Clone_>	hi!
[16:14:23] <NicolasJager>	hello. Is there any way I can find out how much pre-expand and post-expand bytes a certain page is using?
[16:15:00] <Clone_>	Can i hide the Discussion View source and history tabs for not register user?
[16:23:25] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33785 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: Don't show rollback or undo buttons for deleted revisions or revivions whose next revision is deleted: the users are not allowed to execute these actions.
[16:24:23] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r33786 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): More tasty salt
[16:25:17] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: how about adding CorePath.php under extensions that by default sets $IP to dirname(file) . '/..' ?
[16:27:02] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33787 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.i18n.php: Update for he.
[16:34:20] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r33788 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.body.php Configure.php Configure.settings.php): Now support $wgImageLimits
[16:34:35] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: do you have opinions? :o
[16:34:48] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: on what ?
[16:35:18] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: see my questions above :o
[16:35:39] <Nikerabbit>	only one place to change path is extensions are elsewhere :o
[16:40:42] <CIA-50>	03raymond * r33789 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates German
[16:42:13] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33790 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: Rollback link should not be hidden if the next revision is deleted, since it may revert to another, earlier revision (and the revision itself should not be checked, as it's the latest one). Moving check to the undo link.
[16:43:36] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: i also have this problem :)
[16:45:39] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r33791 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Tweak, add totalContentEdits
[16:46:44] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33792 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: Don't show an undo link in the diff page when one of the revisions is deleted, since the undo page shows an error on such revisions.
[16:46:55] <brion>	wazzap
[16:47:05] <Jay>	I have a question on a if parser to include table row info
[16:47:07] <Jay>	http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7595
[16:47:15] <Jay>	any help would be appriciated 
[16:48:52] <AaronSchulz>	brion: eyhaa
[16:49:08] <AaronSchulz>	yay, revisiondelete!
[16:49:22] <brion>	remember when gmail's spam detection was good?
[16:49:25] <brion>	ah those were the days
[16:49:59] <Jay>	lol
[16:51:03] <AaronSchulz>	brion: I <3 flaggedrevs
[16:51:36] *AaronSchulz 	cradles his baby
[16:52:03] <brion>	aww
[16:52:38] *VasilievVV 	wants to see it live
[16:54:04] <Jay>	no takers on the ?
[16:55:09] <AaronSchulz>	VasilievVV: I also want to see revisiondelete live
[16:55:43] <VasilievVV>	Yes, it's everybody's dream
[16:55:44] *Raymond_ 	too
[16:57:30] <AaronSchulz>	so anyone want to secure up those maintenance scripts
[16:57:32] <AaronSchulz>	easy fix
[17:02:09] <Jay>	is there a mediawiki editing channel?
[17:04:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #ifeq bug when using Magic words that include quotes (") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12448  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:05:22] <brion>	Jay: those template things scare me :)
[17:05:43] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: do you know that {{Extension}} on MW.org only allow 30 hooks in prameters ? :)
[17:06:14] <brion>	but the s uggestion on that thread sounds right offhand
[17:06:30] <AaronSchulz>	I'm adding more now
[17:07:26] <Simetrical>	brion, Gmail's spam detection seems to work fine for me, except for forwards from other domains.
[17:07:45] <Simetrical>	It seems to let a lot of those through.
[17:07:52] <brion>	hmmmm
[17:07:59] <brion>	like all my mail is a forward from another domain
[17:08:05] <Simetrical>	Of course, part of the problem may be that after you use any e-mail address for a while, it starts getting put on more and more spammers' lists.
[17:08:21] <Simetrical>	But I use Simetrical@gmail.com (or variants) for most stuff, and see basically no spam for that.
[17:08:23] *VasilievVV 	uses gmail and thinks spam filter works well
[17:08:27] <brion>	been using it since the mid-90s
[17:09:17] <mark>	soon we're gonna have to set up an entire cluster of mail servers
[17:10:14] <VasilievVV>	For wikimedians?
[17:10:20] <Simetrical>	. . . You've been using Gmail since the mid-90s?
[17:10:22] <mark>	for spam :P
[17:10:25] <Simetrical>	Are we talking about different Gmails?
[17:10:35] <Simetrical>	Oh, your address.
[17:10:46] <mark>	we reject over 10 million messages a day
[17:11:23] <Jay>	brion:  yeah, they did me at first, but got used to how they work
[17:11:24] *brion 	<3 http://pobox.com/
[17:12:11] <mark>	and this weekend, mail traffic doubled.
[17:12:11] <Danny_B>	what principle the suggest works on? alphabetical? most visited? other?
[17:12:12] <brion>	so i've got huge buckets of spam stripped out by them, then more stripped out at gmail, then i still have buckets of spam in my inbox
[17:12:19] <Jay>	i just starting righit the code i wanted then plugged in variables
[17:12:36] <brion>	Danny_B: case-insensitive string prefix atm
[17:12:42] <brion>	(case-sensitive on default MW install)
[17:13:18] <Danny_B>	atm == it's intended to change the behavior later on?
[17:13:52] <brion>	a fancier suggestion algo is in the development version of our lucene-based search engine
[17:13:58] <AaronSchulz>	ialex: the hooks section show have a show/hide thing
[17:15:19] <ialex>	 AaronSchulz: i think it hasn't this
[17:15:31] <AaronSchulz>	yes, but it should
[17:15:38] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, can't find the template for that
[17:15:43] <Danny_B>	is there any preference to set more/less results to be displayed in suggest?
[17:16:04] <brion>	nope.
[17:16:18] <brion>	you might be able to tweak it with js, actually
[17:16:38] <brion>	add a &limit=20 or sth to the wgMWSuggestTemplate global var
[17:16:43] <brion>	see if that does it
[17:17:05] <Clone_>	Can i hide the Discussion View source and history tabs for not register user?
[17:17:39] <brion>	i love it how every thing we get 50 "thanks"s for gets two or three "you suck"s: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#New_search_box_.22Feature.22
[17:17:49] <VasilievVV>	brion: so, what about flaggedrevs on ru:?
[17:18:10] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: first de.wp! :P
[17:18:16] <VasilievVV>	:)
[17:18:26] <VasilievVV>	Where's bugzilla request for it?
[17:18:52] <Raymond_>	we do not need a bugzilla request for flaggedrevs :P
[17:19:16] <zocky>	yay, I can now edit individual template calls on a page
[17:19:17] <zocky>	http://zocky.mitko.si/Sandbox
[17:19:20] <Raymond_>	but I like that ru.wp want it too :)
[17:19:29] <VasilievVV>	brion: you didn't read flaggedrevs discussion on ru.wp ;)
[17:29:30] <rainman-sr>	brion, actually about that comment.. i planned to have a disable/enable link on every input box.. so a user can have it off an turn it on when he/she needs it.. but, it clutters the interface a bit, and behaves weird in IE (the code is in mwsuggest.js but commented out)
[17:30:08] <brion>	imho it'd be too much clutter for little benefit, yes
[17:32:19] <Nikerabbit>	Q to all: would it be suitable to add one file to extensions root which would have path to mediawiki root, so there would be only one place to change it if needed?
[17:36:51] <Clone_>	Can i hide the Discussion View source and history tabs for not register user?
[17:41:08] <sevtree>	is there a way to get a random article?
[17:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a short rest, and maybe a cup of tea. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13825  (10brion)
[17:42:40] <brion>	sevtree: click the 'random article' link in the sidebar? :)
[17:43:02] <brion>	Clone_: you can certainly hide them with javascript
[17:43:14] <brion>	you may be able to add a class to the <body> tag which would make it easy to hide them with css
[17:43:23] <brion>	or you could hack up the skin a bit to remove them altogether
[17:43:32] <sevtree>	ah thanks
[17:44:25] <Clone_>	brion: uh?
[17:44:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827  (10brion)
[17:48:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add syndicated feeds for creation of new articles in a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6328  (10brion)
[17:51:40] <tale>	Clone_: Yes you can, read the FAQ.
[18:04:04] <rgov>	I've got a copy of Wikipedia running locally, but it's not rendering some templates correctly (e.g. the University one)
[18:04:18] <rgov>	I get a bunch of escaped HTML being sent to the browser
[18:04:44] <rgov>	I've installed all of the plugins that look applicable, lemme get a list
[18:04:50] <brion>	rgov: what mw version?
[18:05:02] <rgov>	http://cwl-projects.cogsci.rpi.edu:8055/wikipedia/index.php/Special:Version
[18:05:19] <rgov>	1.12.0; ExpandTemplates, Cite, and ParserFunctions
[18:05:54] <rgov>	example of butchered page: http://cwl-projects.cogsci.rpi.edu:8055/wikipedia/index.php/Rensselaer_Polytechnic_Institute
[18:06:19] <rgov>	I've made sure that the export didn't have a bad infobox, it's all correct.
[18:06:51] <brion>	looking..
[18:06:56] <rgov>	thanks
[18:06:59] <brion>	doesn't seem to be connecting, or it's super slow
[18:07:14] <rgov>	it's on a very high load server
[18:07:49] <brion>	firefox gave up
[18:08:10] <gegema>	If an article is part of a page Bar, and  the section starts with a heading "Main Article: [[Foo]]", is the way to achieve this transclusion?[of Foo in Bar]?
[18:09:08] <gegema>	Am reading the help pages on Templates and Transclusion on the Meta and seem to be getting lost in the amount of information... 
[18:09:21] <gegema>	and help on the above is appriciated
[18:09:27] <tale>	gegema: Transclusion is done with [:pagename], but I did not understand your question at all.
[18:09:52] <tale>	Sorry [[:pagename]]
[18:10:39] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r33793 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Typo in comment.
[18:11:52] <rgov>	brion: check out the rendered HTML: http://pastebin.ca/994843
[18:12:25] <tale>	gegema: Still sorrry, it is actually {{:pagename}} to include the contents of another page.
[18:12:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow bureaucrats to administrate SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13810  (10axel9891)
[18:12:53] <tale>	gegema: Did you leave already?
[18:13:00] <brion>	rgov: it's possible that there's something wrong with the template's table markup that's getting corrected differently with html tidy enabled
[18:13:24] <rgov>	How can I disable it to try that?
[18:13:27] <brion>	there used to be more issues with tables-constructed-by-templates but that should be fixed generally in 1.12; but real markup problems would still show up
[18:13:32] <brion>	set $wgUseTidy = true;
[18:13:36] <brion>	and... have tidy present :)
[18:13:51] <brion>	if php has the tidy extension in, or if you have 'tidy' executable on the system
[18:16:35] <rgov>	brion: tidy doesn't seem to make any difference, not sure it's being used
[18:17:51] <gegema>	tale: Sorry I was AFK, scrolling up and reading your comments
[18:20:51] <gegema>	tale: Sorry for not being clear on my Q, English is my second lang and I sometimes find it hard to express things in small sentences...an exmaple of what I want to do is [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template] and if you go down to the header "Declaring a default value", it has "Main Article:Help:Parameter default." and my question was how this was done (adding a whole article as a sub-set of another article)
[18:21:58] <gegema>	tale: Say for example I have a Category that has a bunch of Atricles tagged, now instead of the page :Category:Foo showing just an alphabetical listing of this article titles, I want to include some of those articles on the Category page
[18:22:12] <rgov>	brion: no you were right; i had edited the wrong localsettings file (two installs of mediawiki on this system)
[18:22:17] <rgov>	any idea what would cause that?
[18:22:46] <tale>	gegema: And {{:pagename}} is not what you want?
[18:24:08] <brion>	rgov: unclosed tag, unopened tag, something like that probably
[18:24:16] <gegema>	tale: Well I was under the assumption "pagename" in {{:pagename}} had to be a valid template
[18:24:23] <gegema>	will try your suggestion and report
[18:29:41] <gegema>	tale: Hmm, {{:pagename}} does transclude the whole page, but does not give the "Main Article: &pagename" heading
[18:40:29] <Simetrical>	{{:pagename}} means transclude [[Pagename]], {{pagename}} means transclude [[Template:Pagename]].  You can transclude non-template pages.
[18:41:02] <Simetrical>	The page-title heading isn't part of the page text and so won't be transcluded in any event.
[18:47:24] <gegema>	The Live Text search on Wikipedia (just noticing it now), is that a new feature in 1.13.0?
[18:47:45] <VasilievVV>	Yes
[18:47:52] <VasilievVV>	It's called MWSuggest
[18:48:41] <Simetrical>	Is it in core?
[18:48:48] *Simetrical 	should know this kind of thing
[18:48:51] <gegema>	:)
[18:49:22] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: it is, but it uses lucene backend on Wikimedia
[18:49:34] <Simetrical>	And also the case-normalizing thing.
[18:50:29] <rainman-sr>	VasilievVV, not yet
[18:50:51] <rainman-sr>	it uses plain titlekey atm
[18:50:52] <VasilievVV>	rainman-sr: so, it uses usual PrefixSearch backend?
[18:51:02] <VasilievVV>	Ah, titlekey
[18:51:09] <rainman-sr>	that's why it's alphabetical, and not ranked
[18:51:56] <sevtree>	how can I change it
[18:52:02] <sevtree>	from index.php?=article
[18:52:07] <sevtree>	to /article
[18:52:14] <Simetrical>	!shorturl | sevtree 
[18:52:14] --mwbot--	sevtree: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[18:52:27] <sevtree>	thanks
[19:03:03] <NicolasJager>	How can I find out how many pre-expand and post-expand bytes http://shaiya.wikia.com/wiki/User:Nicolasjager/List_of_Weapons/One_Handed_Axe/Axe is using?
[19:05:34] <Raymond_>	NicolasJager: look into the html source code:
[19:05:43] <Raymond_>	Pre-expand include size: 293939 bytes
[19:05:44] <Raymond_>	Post-expand include size: 31167 bytes
[19:06:24] <NicolasJager>	where?
[19:07:17] <Raymond_>	NicolasJager: use the find function of your browser.
[19:07:40] <NicolasJager>	oh, i think i got it... right click and "view source"?
[19:07:49] <Raymond_>	yes
[19:08:10] <NicolasJager>	k, and do you know what the limits are?
[19:08:43] <NicolasJager>	i read Maximum: 2097152 bytes but is that total?
[19:09:26] <Raymond_>	yes
[19:11:31] <Thetyrant>	With my admin login, where do i check another users password?
[19:11:49] <NicolasJager>	I need help getting that a lot smaller.... cause I need to call it like 100 times or more.
[19:12:06] <Raymond_>	Thetyrant: what do you mean with "check password"?
[19:12:39] <Thetyrant>	I have a co-worker that forgot her password to login to our internal wiki. And i need to figure what she set it as
[19:14:00] <Raymond_>	Thetyrant: you cannot see the password. it's hashed and salted. does she has set an email adress?
[19:14:48] <Thetyrant>	on create account, its not tied to an email 
[19:14:58] <Thetyrant>	I can't check database for it?
[19:16:01] <Thetyrant>	can i reset her password?
[19:16:36] <Raymond_>	!passwordreset | Thetyrant
[19:16:36] --mwbot--	Thetyrant: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[19:16:44] <Raymond_>	ups sorry
[19:16:53] <Raymond_>	!passwordsql | Thetyrant
[19:16:53] --mwbot--	Thetyrant: UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT(user_id, "-", MD5("password"))) WHERE user_name='John_Smith';  This will reset the password for the user with user_name 'John Smith'.  Replace 'John_Smith' with the desired username.
[19:18:17] <Thetyrant>	Ok I'll try this, thank you very much
[19:18:51] <rgov>	mwbot: what's the deal with the dual-md5? doesnt seem like you're getting anything out of it
[19:19:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811  +comment (10slakr)
[19:19:11] <Raymond_>	rgov: mwbot is a bot only :)
[19:19:40] <rgov>	oops i missed the command you sent to it above
[19:19:56] <rgov>	not  mwbot: what's the deal with the dual-md5 ;-)
[19:20:03] <MinuteElectron>	extra security
[19:20:11] <rgov>	i call shenanigans 
[19:20:13] <MinuteElectron>	even if you run it through a reverse md5 script you won't get any luck
[19:20:36] <rgov>	you can still do a meet-in-the-middle
[19:20:38] <MinuteElectron>	you'd have to run it through a reverse md5, deconcat, reverse md5 script script
[19:20:45] <AaronSchulz>	mmm, salt
[19:20:45] <MinuteElectron>	rgov: you could do that with one md5
[19:21:12] <AaronSchulz>	rgov: ever here of Rainbow tables?
[19:21:15] *slakr 	salts AaronSchulz with 'pepper'
[19:22:16] <rgov>	sure, i understand that it's possible to look up
[19:22:22] <slakr>	the only time md5 is insecure as a one-way hash is when a salt isn't used
[19:22:35] <slakr>	(imo)
[19:22:59] <rgov>	not really anymore
[19:23:02] <rgov>	md5 is broked.
[19:23:08] <slakr>	how so?
[19:23:33] <rgov>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5#Vulnerability
[19:23:36] <rgov>	not very thorough
[19:23:41] <rgov>	collisions are easy to find now
[19:24:03] <rgov>	i dont know if you can do a second preimage attack
[19:24:05] <rgov>	but i wouldn't be surprised
[19:25:20] <slakr>	hence the reason we said "salt"
[19:25:53] <slakr>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29
[19:26:07] <rgov>	sure i understand what a salt is
[19:26:28] <slakr>	perhaps I misunderstood
[19:26:39] <Simetrical>	There's no preimage attack on MD5.
[19:26:50] <Simetrical>	The reason it's double-MD5ed is not, I think, for security.
[19:26:50] <slakr>	rgov > what were you trying to say ?
[19:26:52] <brion>	rgov: we converted from an older password database which was just md5(password) to add salt
[19:27:12] <AaronSchulz>	tasty salt!
[19:27:13] <Simetrical>	It used to not be salted, so we just had MD5(pass) in the database.  Then we moved to salting, so MD5( salt + MD5(pass)) was easier to do than MD5( salt + pass ).
[19:27:13] <brion>	since you can't extract the password from the hash to do md5(salt+password), we did md5(salt+md5(password)) which was an easy one-time operation
[19:27:19] <Simetrical>	Right.
[19:27:25] <rgov>	ah that makes sense
[19:28:26] *slakr 	proceeds to consume the now-salted with 'pepper' AaronSchulz 
[19:28:30] <rgov>	(when i was switching from a forum app which used md5 to one that used sha-1, i wrote a script to perform the conversion when the user logged in)
[19:30:36] *slakr 	starts creating sha-1 lookup tables
[19:30:36] <slakr>	:P
[19:31:03] <AaronSchulz>	hehe
[19:31:19] <rgov>	at any rate, i believe there is a chosen prefix attack for MD5 (isn't that want wang et al. presented 3 years ago?)
[19:31:41] <rgov>	since your salt is added to the beginning of the password, not the end, it narrows the search window significantly
[19:32:10] <rgov>	http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/Nostradamus/
[19:32:27] *^demon 	salts all his passwords with AaronSchulz
[19:33:20] <Simetrical>	rgov, no preimage attack of any kind.  You can generate collisions, that's all, AFAIK.
[19:33:36] <Simetrical>	Which is irrelevant for our purposes.  It's significant for digital signatures and stuff.
[19:33:51] <rgov>	http://www.iacr.org/conferences/eurocrypt2007/slides/s01t1.pdf
[19:33:52] <rgov>	:-\
[19:34:13] <Simetrical>	Yes, chosen-prefix *collision* attacks.
[19:34:17] <Simetrical>	You can create collisions, nothing else.
[19:34:27] <Simetrical>	It doesn't matter for password integrity.
[19:34:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Field tab order broken in Firefox 3 beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13329  (10brion)
[19:36:03] <rgov>	Simetrical: alright i'll concede
[19:37:46] <rgov>	i've got to run, thanks for the help earlier brion
[19:37:53] <slakr>	I suddenly have the urge to collide atoms
[19:40:27] <brion>	heh
[19:46:17] <Jack_Phoenix>	heya Splarka :-)
[19:50:06] *Splarka 	rars Jack
[19:50:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	\o/
[19:50:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add syndicated feeds for creation of new articles in a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6328  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:27:45] <CIA-50>	03brion * r33794 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: 
[20:27:45] <CIA-50>	Enable $wgCookieHttpOnly by default on PHP 5.2 or later.
[20:27:45] <CIA-50>	Version checks are still duplicated areound stcookie so that manually enabling it at least won't *break cookies entirely* on an old PHP version.
[20:28:37] <CIA-50>	03siebrand * r33795 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (103 files): 
[20:28:37] <CIA-50>	Process changes from r33769.
[20:28:37] <CIA-50>	* Rename 'withoutinterwiki-header' to 'withoutinterwiki-summary' where present
[20:28:37] <CIA-50>	* rebuild language files
[20:30:22] <Simetrical>	brion, shouldn't that check be '>='?
[20:30:31] <Simetrical>	Er, wait.
[20:30:42] <Simetrical>	I mean '<=', the point is the = sign.
[20:32:33] <Simetrical>	No, I guess it works if the version returned is 5.2.0.
[20:33:17] <brion>	Simetrical: yeah, i checked that 
[20:38:05] <CIA-50>	03dale * r33796 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:38:05] <CIA-50>	design overview for tv to metavidWiki
[20:38:05] <CIA-50>	more checks for cortado iframe page
[20:38:05] <CIA-50>	updates for stream interface thumbnail switching
[20:46:34] <gegema>	In Editing my Sidebar, I want a :Category: to be listed in the sidebar, since the syntax in MW:Sidebar does not parse wikitext, how can I do this?
[20:52:06] <mecredis>	hey, anyone using Semantic Media Wiki?
[20:52:21] <mecredis>	I'm trying to get the RAP store to work and SMW_refreshData.php is breaking on me
[20:52:28] <Splarka>	gegema: you want it to be a link to the category, or you want to categorize the sidebar?
[20:57:20] <Splarka>	** Category:Foo|Category of Foo     works for me...
[21:01:24] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r33797 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/tv2mvWiki/README: svn:eol-style native
[21:04:57] <gegema>	Splarka: A link to the category
[21:05:15] <gegema>	Like "Cats" in the sidebar would link to Category:Cats
[21:07:48] <Lady_Aleena>	[[:Category:Categories|Cats]]
[21:07:50] <Splarka>	geg: try   ** Category:Cats|Cats
[21:08:05] <Splarka>	Lady_Aleena: sidebar ^_^
[21:08:45] <Lady_Aleena>	Um, just trying to help.
[21:10:20] <markl_>	howdy, are there RPM's available for mediawiki?
[21:10:42] <markl_>	google came up empty
[21:11:05] <Platonides>	markl_, perhaps
[21:11:10] <Lady_Aleena>	I take it that you are not talking about revolutions per second here.
[21:11:12] <Platonides>	there's at least some .deb
[21:11:23] <Platonides>	which in general caused more trouble than normal installing
[21:12:06] <Lady_Aleena>	second should be minute. (blurbles)
[21:12:31] <markl_>	i suppose 1.4.14 isn't especially new is it
[21:16:46] <MinuteElectron>	markl_: several years.
[21:17:07] <markl_>	looks like 1.10 is available in the regular ubuntu repos
[21:18:44] <NicoV>	Hi, I am having troubles with an extension I wrote.
[21:18:46] <NicoV>	Are there changes in the way ParseBeforeStrip and ParseAfterStrip hooks are called between 1.11 and 1.12 ?
[21:20:34] <CIA-50>	03siebrand * r33798 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (44 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-04-23 23:10 CEST)
[21:23:39] <Simetrical>	NicoV, probably, since a large chunk of the parser was rewritten.
[21:24:16] <NicoV>	Simetrical, that would explain why they are called a lot of times per page ?
[21:28:30] <CIA-50>	03siebrand * r33799 10/trunk/extensions/ (63 files in 63 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-04-23 23:10 CEST)
[21:28:57] <NicoV>	My need is to add a <script> tag in <head> only if tag <jmol> is in the page text.
[21:28:58] <NicoV>	I did the following (seemed to work in previous MediaWiki release) :
[21:29:00] <NicoV>	- Put a flag to false in ParseBeforeStrip (I supposed it was called at the beginning)
[21:29:01] <NicoV>	- Put this flag to true if the tag <jmol> is found
[21:29:03] <NicoV>	- Check the flag in ParseAfterStrip to decide if I should add the <script> tag
[21:29:04] <NicoV>	It doesn't seem to work in 1.12
[21:29:32] <MinuteElectron>	NicoV: You could use a global variable.
[21:30:37] <NicoV>	When do I change its value, and act upon it ?
[21:30:53] <MinuteElectron>	set its value when you declare it
[21:31:18] <MinuteElectron>	then check it within ParserAfterStript
[21:31:26] <Splarka>	I believe there are some othjer extensions that modify <head> content based on wikitext
[21:31:45] <Splarka>	like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Add_HTML_Meta_and_Title
[21:32:06] <Splarka>	and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MetaDescriptionTag
[21:32:47] <NicoV>	great, I will look at how they are done
[21:32:52] <rainman-sr>	is action=raw supposed not to work anymore?
[21:38:36] <Splarka>	rainman: there was a change a few months ago to restrict it to scriptpath (is that the prob?)
[21:39:40] <rainman-sr>	yes, thanks
[21:41:17] <Splarka>	np
[21:41:42] <Splarka>	it had always been restricted in IE, but other browsers were found to be vulnerable to ignoring mime type for choosing an extension
[21:43:04] <NicoV>	Splarka, thx, both extensions are using a trick, but I can also use it :
[21:43:05] <NicoV>	- when a tag is found, a specific comment is added inside the rendered text
[21:43:07] <NicoV>	- on OutputPageBeforeHTML hook, the comment is searched in the text and if found, the <head> is modified
[21:43:25] <Splarka>	heh, that's kinda hacky
[21:43:36] <Splarka>	but hey, whatever works
[21:47:40] <NicoV>	Yes, I hoped for a cleaner solution, but if hooks behaviour is changed so much between releases that's difficult
[21:57:08] <Klemo>	Is there any way to display the "Navigation: Portlet" as a horizontal bar rather than a line items?
[21:59:16] <Simetrical>	Klemo, CSS.
[22:00:23] <NicoV>	Is the ParserClearState hook called once at the beginning of each page parsing ?
[22:05:39] <Splarka>	Klemo: up by p-personal ?
[22:07:04] <Splarka>	Klemo: try this: http://p.defau.lt/?IgU10z5IDtszf1KfRK6BUw
[22:07:12] <Splarka>	(quick and dirty)
[22:10:42] <sdondley>	reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_logo.3F but $wgLogo is not in my LocalSettings.php file
[22:11:18] <Paintman>	hi
[22:11:40] <Platonides>	sdondley, add it
[22:12:45] <sdondley>	Platonides: ok, thanks
[22:12:47] <sdondley>	worked
[22:15:43] <Betacommand>	where is language encoding defined at?
[22:18:57] <Splarka>	beta: in what context?
[22:19:41] <Betacommand>	Splarka: UTF8 encoding versus iso-8859-1
[22:20:24] <Paintman>	Is it possible to change the layout of an article when you click on the Printable version link?
[22:22:54] <Betacommand>	Splarka: If I wanted to change the site encoding from iso-8859-1 to UTF8 how would I do that?
[22:26:25] <Klemo>	Splarka: I actually removed the p-personal, I'm using a copy of the simple skin as my starting point... All I really want is p-navigation and content
[22:26:44] <Splarka>	$wgInputEncoding  = 'UTF-8';
[22:26:45] <Splarka>	$wgOutputEncoding = 'UTF-8';
[22:26:47] <Splarka>	looks like
[22:26:48] <Klemo>	I've used the css to display: none on all of the other portlests
[22:27:20] <Splarka>	Klemo: not even p-cactions?
[22:27:25] <Klemo>	nope
[22:27:39] <Klemo>	I will be displaying the content from some wiki pages inside an iframe on another site
[22:28:36] <Klemo>	I have it all layed out right, just the navigation links are still on li list and I want them to be horizontal...
[22:29:13] <Klemo>	wait now that I think about it the personal one is horizonal in monobook and in simple its a li... so I guess I just have to play with the css untill it looks right
[22:30:28] <Splarka>	Klemo: well... it isn't hard to do...
[22:31:18] <Klemo>	yeah, I've never modified the simple skin... I always dismantle the monobook skin...
[22:31:39] <Klemo>	so I was currious when the content layout was not inside Simple.php
[22:31:43] <Klemo>	like MonoBook.php
[22:32:07] <Klemo>	but it grabs anything missing from MonoBook.php I guess...
[22:33:06] <Klemo>	ah shoot... in my browser souce...  		<div class='portlet' id='p-'>
[22:33:11] <Klemo>	its not p-navigation
[22:33:18] <Klemo>	I must have broken something...
[22:33:28] <Klemo>	let me poke around, I'll be back if I cant figure it out...
[22:33:52] <Splarka>	Klemo: try this in monobook
[22:34:01] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?uVENAb2NdBvTj_kIrejBCA
[22:34:22] <Splarka>	(when you get your skin back to normal, heh)
[22:34:35] <Splarka>	Betacommand, saw the note above?
[22:34:41] <Klemo>	thanks Splarka 
[22:34:46] <Splarka>	no
[22:34:47] <Splarka>	prob
[22:34:53] <Splarka>	(damn return key!)
[22:35:43] <Splarka>	though you may want to use the simple skin, and iframe it with &useskin=simple
[22:35:51] <Splarka>	so that the wiki layout is normal in monobook
[22:36:09] *Simetrical 	steals Splarka's return key
[22:37:28] <Klemo>	whoa
[22:37:55] <Klemo>	I just copied my LocalSettings as a backup... removed my wiki directory, untared it fresh and I still get <div class='portlet' id='p-'> in my source...
[22:38:06] <Klemo>	is there a bug in the latest media wiki?
[22:38:19] <Simetrical>	No.
[22:38:26] <Simetrical>	We would have noticed.  :P
[22:38:29] <Klemo>	I can't break that in LocalSettings right?
[22:39:40] <Splarka>	you can break it in MediaWiki:Sidebar
[22:39:52] <Splarka>	what is the first line in yours?
[22:39:59] <Klemo>	uh I undid everything, put the default skin back to monobook and the source is still <div class='portlet' id='p-'>
[22:40:08] <Klemo>	oh right...
[22:40:13] <Splarka>	pretend I repeated what I just said ^_^
[22:40:14] <Klemo>	I removed the "navaigation" text
[22:40:23] <Klemo>	ihave * /n ** Links
[22:40:28] <Splarka>	right
[22:40:31] <Klemo>	nice... thanks
[22:40:33] <Splarka>	so put in * navigation
[22:40:36] <Splarka>	as it gets the ID from that
[22:40:42] <Splarka>	and then display:none the h5
[22:40:44] <Klemo>	this display none for portlet h5
[22:40:49] <Klemo>	gotcha
[22:41:19] <Splarka>	Simetrical: I've found the best way to solve people's problems, is to experinece them all yourself first X_X
[22:41:32] <Splarka>	(especially typos... ^experience)
[22:43:47] <Klemo>	Bingo Bongo Bango
[22:43:50] <Klemo>	thanks Splarka 
[22:44:31] <Splarka>	rar
[22:56:12] <mecredis>	is there any way to force a template on pages that aren't yet created but just linked?
[22:59:27] <Splarka>	mecredis: not in vanilla, but you could modify MediaWiki:Noarticletext and MediaWiki:Newarticletext and do some interesting stuff
[22:59:48] <mecredis>	nice
[22:59:49] <Anamacha>	hey -- I have a user rights question, can anyone help?
[22:59:52] <Splarka>	like [[Special:Whatlinkshere/{{FULLPAGENAME}}|check for page links]]
[22:59:56] <Skizzerz>	!ask | Anamacha 
[22:59:56] --mwbot--	Anamacha: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[22:59:58] <mecredis>	hrm
[23:00:11] <mecredis>	yeah, I'm working with Semantic Media WIki
[23:00:16] <mecredis>	I basically want a certain type of property
[23:00:19] <mecredis>	to always have a particular template
[23:00:20] <Splarka>	or install ParserFunctions and #switch:{{NAMESPACE}}
[23:00:29] <Splarka>	oh, there might be a way in that, not familiar with it ^_^
[23:00:43] *Splarka 	prods the semantics
[23:00:49] <mecredis>	heh
[23:00:57] <Anamacha>	thanks skizzerz ... I am running a private installation of MW 1.11.0 and I can't edit any more, after locking down my wiki (spammers suck).  
[23:01:07] <Anamacha>	The user rights section is this:  http://rafb.net/p/N2SlpD63.html
[23:01:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a MediaWiki:Printable.css page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13831 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Platonides)
[23:01:18] <Anamacha>	but I can't edit either, even though sysops should be able to
[23:01:26] <Skizzerz>	are you on a sysop account?
[23:01:49] <Anamacha>	@skizzerz:  yes
[23:01:58] <Anamacha>	according to my user list, yes
[23:02:02] <Skizzerz>	ok
[23:02:25] <Skizzerz>	did you try purging the page?
[23:02:32] <Anamacha>	how?
[23:02:39] <Anamacha>	and which page?
[23:02:44] <Skizzerz>	idk, any page
[23:02:50] <Anamacha>	(( I can't edit ANY page)
[23:02:57] <Skizzerz>	add &action=purge to the end of the url
[23:03:18] <Skizzerz>	(or ?action=purge if you're using the short urls like /wiki/page or /index.php/page instead of index.php?title=page)
[23:04:16] <Anamacha>	like this?  http://www.anamacha.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page?action=purge
[23:04:28] <Skizzerz>	no, that'd be &action=purge
[23:04:47] <Anamacha>	I tried the &, no change; I tried the ? and it gives me a no text on this page alert
[23:04:59] <Splarka>	are you sure you're a sysop? try something like editing a MediaWiki: namespace page
[23:05:06] <Skizzerz>	ok, that was just a test to see if your entire permissions system was borked anyway
[23:05:13] <Splarka>	(or block, delete, undelete)
[23:05:21] <Skizzerz>	aha
[23:05:31] <Anamacha>	@splarka:  yeah I am a sysop in my user list
[23:05:39] <Skizzerz>	actually, you aren't
[23:05:47] <Anamacha>	eh?
[23:05:53] <Skizzerz>	it's padded by spaces
[23:06:04] <Anamacha>	which is padded by spaces
[23:06:04] <Anamacha>	?
[23:06:23] <Skizzerz>	http://www.anamacha.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=delete <- can you access that?
[23:06:29] <Anamacha>	from my user list:  Anamacha ‎(bureaucrat      , sysop           )
[23:06:46] <Skizzerz>	exactly, there shouldn't be any spaces in there
[23:06:57] <Anamacha>	ohhhhhh
[23:07:02] <Skizzerz>	it should be Anamacha ‎(bureaucrat,sysop)
[23:07:08] <Tom-Servo>	Is there a way to force mediawiki to not cache &action=edit actions?  Sometimes when I edit the wiki quickly it loses some edits.  Not sure if it is my browser or media wiki (or both)
[23:07:10] <Skizzerz>	which means you'll have to edit the database
[23:07:31] <Skizzerz>	Tom-Servo: it shouldn't cache that at all...
[23:07:44] <Anamacha>	this is my first MW installation -- I had no idea it wasn't right, and hell, it worked RIGHT for a long time 
[23:07:49] <Skizzerz>	Anamacha: do you have access to the database (via either command line or phpmyadmin)
[23:08:03] <Tom-Servo>	ok, hmm
[23:08:50] <Anamacha>	@skiz:  yeah, I can get in to phpmyadmin -- I don't know enough about ph to edit command line, though I do have access to the CLI if I need it
[23:09:11] <Skizzerz>	ok, lemme paste the commands you need to run
[23:09:20] <Anamacha>	through the cli?
[23:09:41] <Skizzerz>	through phpmyadmin
[23:09:47] <Anamacha>	(( and no, I couldn't access the ... action=delete page)
[23:09:56] <Anamacha>	okay, let me get into that
[23:10:07] <Skizzerz>	open up the user_groups table
[23:10:23] <Tom-Servo>	hmm, I can't replicate the issue, maybe I am just hallucinating o.o
[23:11:41] <Anamacha>	Skiz:  where's that?  I'm at the phpMyAdmin 2.11.4 top page
[23:11:43] <Splarka>	be careful around [[Special:Hallucinate]]
[23:11:47] <Anamacha>	lol
[23:11:56] <Skizzerz>	Anamacha: in the left column, select your wiki's database
[23:12:26] <Skizzerz>	after you do that, a list will appear on the left, click on the user_groups link
[23:12:46] <Anamacha>	lotta tables ... okay, got it
[23:13:10] <Skizzerz>	click on the browse tab in the right
[23:13:28] <Skizzerz>	then click the check all link and then the pencil icon next to it
[23:13:34] <Anamacha>	it's columns for me, but I'm looking at it
[23:14:04] <Anamacha>	check all, pencil, check
[23:14:30] <Skizzerz>	remove the spaces from each entry in the "Value" part, then click go on the way bottom of the page
[23:14:39] <Anamacha>	okay
[23:14:49] <Skizzerz>	and that should fix it
[23:15:33] <Anamacha>	cool!
[23:15:58] <Anamacha>	okay, so does ths theoretically fix it for all users?  I have got two sysop accounts that I use in different circumstances
[23:17:17] <Anamacha>	gnargh ... user list now shows Anamacha ‎(bureaucrat������, sysop�����������)
[23:17:30] <Danny_B>	can't subst the template within <ref> tag, is it known bug?
[23:18:07] <Splarka>	Danny: tried with {{#tag:ref   ?
[23:19:24] <Danny_B>	Splarka: ain't that nasty way how to do that? :-/
[23:21:28] <Klemo>	Thanks again Splarka 
[23:21:31] <Klemo>	bye everyone
[23:21:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827  (10Phoenixoverride)
[23:22:22] <Skizzerz>	...
[23:22:38] <Anamacha>	why are those characters staying in there?!
[23:22:39] <Skizzerz>	Anamacha: ok, let's try it a different way then :)
[23:22:48] <Anamacha>	10-4
[23:22:53] <Splarka>	Danny: #tag was made to do things in xml tags that people always wanted to do
[23:23:01] <Splarka>	one could say wikicode is the nasty way to do anything ^_^
[23:23:07] <Danny_B>	:o)
[23:23:19] <Skizzerz>	Anamacha: at the top of the left-hand column of phpmyadmin, you'll see a box with the word "SQL" in it. click it
[23:23:40] <Anamacha>	query window?  got it
[23:23:51] <Danny_B>	Splarka: i actually thought it was done only for allowing parameters of templates
[23:24:51] <Skizzerz>	Anamacha: ok, type "SELECT DISTINCT `ug_user` FROM `user_groups`" in there, and tell me the numbers that appear in your main phpmyadmin window
[23:25:09] <Skizzerz>	(without the double quotes. make sure that you're using the ` (above the tab key for me) and not ')
[23:26:20] <Anamacha>	okay, this info is for verification purposes:  in the main phpmyadmin window I got:      SQL query:        SELECT  DISTINCT  `ug_user` 
[23:26:20] <Anamacha>	FROM  `user_groups` 
[23:26:20] <Anamacha>	LIMIT 0 , 30    
[23:26:52] <Anamacha>	then in the table, under 'ug_user' I see three rows:  1, 2, 3
[23:27:01] <Anamacha>	that what you're looking for?
[23:27:19] <Skizzerz>	yes
[23:27:23] <Skizzerz>	hold on
[23:27:28] <Anamacha>	kk
[23:29:34] <Skizzerz>	copy/paste this into the query window: http://rafb.net/p/fAYpEe28.html
[23:30:13] <Anamacha>	including the line numbers?
[23:30:18] <Skizzerz>	no
[23:30:53] <Anamacha>	okay, so this will blow away the old table and make a new one, right?
[23:30:59] <Skizzerz>	pretty much, yes
[23:31:30] <Anamacha>	okay, this was unexpected
[23:31:31] <Anamacha>	Error     SQL query:                   TRUNCATE  TABLE  `ug_groups` ;
[23:31:31] <Anamacha>	           MySQL said:    #1146 - Table 'anamacha_wiki.ug_groups' doesn't exist 
[23:36:11] <Anamacha>	Skizerz?
[23:36:37] <Anamacha>	Skizzerz?
[23:36:45] <Skizzerz>	yeah
[23:36:54] <Skizzerz>	wow
[23:37:00] <Skizzerz>	that should be `user_groups` >_<
[23:37:19] <Anamacha>	ah, k; in all instances, right?
[23:38:02] <Skizzerz>	no
[23:38:06] <Skizzerz>	http://rafb.net/p/El3zHd81.nln.html is the updated one
[23:38:24] <Skizzerz>	wait, disregard that. i am stupid
[23:38:48] <Anamacha>	lol, l
[23:38:49] <Skizzerz>	yes, replace all instances of ug_groups with user_groups
[23:38:49] <Anamacha>	k
[23:39:33] <Skizzerz>	http://rafb.net/p/aYLpGo36.nln.html <- there we go >_>
[23:40:01] <Anamacha>	oh, I made one too: http://rafb.net/p/ThdDhK70.html
[23:41:22] <Anamacha>	I pasted in yours, got a different error:  Error     SQL query:                    INSERT  INTO  `user_groups` (  `ug_user` ,  `ug_group`  ) 
[23:41:22] <Anamacha>	VALUES ( '2',  'sysop');
[23:41:22] <Anamacha>	           MySQL said:    #1062 - Duplicate entry '2-sysop' for key 1 
[23:42:18] <Anamacha>	I know nothing about php or mysql, but am learning quickly
[23:42:46] <Skizzerz>	oh, duh
[23:43:09] <Skizzerz>	change the fifth line (the second one that says '2', 'sysop'). change the 'sysop' part to 'bureaucrat'
[23:44:27] <Anamacha>	yaaay!  Your SQL query has been executed successfully
[23:45:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add image data option to Special:Export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827  summary; +comment (10brion)
[23:45:34] <Anamacha>	nyargh!  I see the same special characters in the group names
[23:45:49] <Splarka>	heh
[23:46:10] <Splarka>	you could add them to the definition in $wgGroupPermissions['']
[23:46:43] <Anamacha>	add which to the definition?  I already have a bunch of stuff in LocalSettings to take care of the permissions to make them the way I want them
[23:46:45] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½']['userrights']  = true;
[23:47:01] <Anamacha>	oh, I see what you're after
[23:47:03] <Splarka>	then use Userrights to set yourself sysop normally
[23:47:15] <Splarka>	</hack>
[23:47:47] <Anamacha>	yeah, that's a real hack alright ... my knowledge about this is rather limited, so I'd rather not do that unless I really have to
[23:48:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a MediaWiki:Printable.css page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13831  (10brion)
[23:52:29] *Splarka 	bends Brion's ear for a sec if possible
[23:52:39] *brion 	is bent
[23:52:40] <Splarka>	brion, on edit pages there are interface messages editable for preview, edit conflict, missing comment, missing summary, hook error, non-compliant browser, deleted content warning, read only, anonymous, css/js user subpage (valid/invalid skin), semi protected, cascade protected, title protected, long page error/warning, 
[23:52:52] <Splarka>	and things like &editintro, etc
[23:52:55] <brion>	that's a lot of messages
[23:53:06] <Splarka>	but none that simply always shows on a page for all edits and page source views
[23:53:23] <Splarka>	and often there is a desire to have one, like for a sitenotice for editors, etc
[23:53:28] <Splarka>	would there be any objection to one?
[23:55:00] <Splarka>	like $wgOut->wrapWikiMsg( '<div id="mw-editpageintro">$1</div>', 'editpageintro' );
[23:55:48] <Splarka>	that would always show on action=edit regardless
[23:56:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) TOC won't collapse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13832 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (innocentkiller)
[23:57:37] <brion>	hmm
[23:57:42] <Splarka>	closest is wfMsg('editing'), which only modifies the h1 firstHeading.
[23:57:44] <brion>	that could just clutter things
[23:57:54] <Splarka>	well sure, so could all the things that already clutter it ^_^
[23:58:10] <Splarka>	well, also Edittools and Copyrightwarning can be edited, but aren't at the top
[23:58:27] <Anamacha>	skizzerz?  sorry to bug ya ... but I have no idea what I'm doing ehre, stressing out slightly :)
[23:58:34] <Skizzerz>	k
[23:59:11] *Skizzerz 	would recommend following Splarka's hack... it's probably the only way to effectively do this
[23:59:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) TOC won't collapse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13832  (10brion)
[23:59:31] <Skizzerz>	either that or reinstall the wiki from scratch, but that may not be an option considering how far you are in its development
[23:59:41] <Anamacha>	okay -- how would I implment that?
[23:59:51] <Anamacha>	well, reinstalling the wiki would mean losing the data, no?