[00:00:12] <Sirisian>	Superpig, yeah the mediawiki feature submission is apparently their bug report system. Kind of confusing.
[00:00:45] <Superpig>	ah. I was hoping to find an existing way of implementing it, actually, rather than logging a feature request... but oh well
[00:01:04] <Superpig>	as far as selecting certain glossaries goes, it would be neater if instead of checkboxes it just used the categories a page was in
[00:01:38] <Superpig>	i.e. if I could get a glossary for the 'Graphics Programming' category, that was a glossary page produced from all pages that define the [glossary] template that are in Category:Graphics Programming
[00:01:40] <Superpig>	sort of thing
[00:02:43] <Sirisian>	Superpig, yeah this might be more of an extension than an edit since mediawiki can use extensions
[00:02:55] <Superpig>	ree hee heeally?
[00:04:30] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Glossary
[00:04:31] <Superpig>	would be a nice extension to regular wiki links, actually - when you mouse over a link to another wiki page, if that page has a glossary entry attached, it pops up in a little box, saving you from having to click on the link and read a full article
[00:04:51] <Superpig>	yeah, I'm just looking at that. It does the auto-linking part but not the 'generating a glossary from a sparse set of pages' thing
[00:05:14] <Simetrical>	Superpig, Lupin's popups generate a popup of the first paragraph or so of the page, with various buttons too.
[00:05:38] <Splarka>	heh
[00:05:43] <Superpig>	that's close to what we want, I think - we'd just like to use something that is explicitly marked as 'glossary definition' or something similar, rather than just the first paragraph
[00:05:44] <Splarka>	you could also do it as a template like...
[00:05:50] <Splarka>	{{glossary|term}}
[00:06:01] <Superpig>	yep, I figure it would be something like that on each page
[00:06:09] <Splarka>	which would generate [[term|<span title="definition">term</span>]]
[00:06:24] <Splarka>	poorman's popup
[00:06:29] <Superpig>	oh - oh, no, that's not really what I mean
[00:06:43] <Splarka>	but no javascript or ajax required for that
[00:07:18] <Superpig>	an extension that processes wikilinks in a page to annotate them definitions somehow isn't the hard bit - it's building the glossary data in the first place that's the hard bit
[00:07:41] <Gali>	Splarka: I prefer title=pagename&action=something, what can you advice me?
[00:07:43] <[Hyarion]>	Hi, I was wondering if there is anyway to change which skin is displayed depending on the browser
[00:08:22] <Splarka>	Gali: well, what would you need it to do? edit the page? just show info about the page? show changable data about the page that wouldn't be stored in the page's text?
[00:08:27] <Superpig>	being able to put {{glossary|name=AABB|description=Axis-aligned Bounding Box. A rectangle or box with the restriction that its sides or faces are parallel to the axes of the system}} on the page about AABBs
[00:09:06] <Superpig>	then (1) have that name and description show up in the 'glossary' page, and (2) have that description pop up when I mouse over a link to 'AABB' on other wiki pages
[00:09:31] <Splarka>	Superpig: well, there is a method that would only need a bit of JS and ParserFunctions, but would not be infinitely scaleable
[00:09:47] <Gali>	Splarka:  show changable data about the page that wouldn't be stored in the page's text.
[00:10:02] <Sirisian>	can you add like tag events and govern how they are processed? I mean a separate table could be made and managed when they are deleted and stuff but this sounds like just making an extension from scratch.
[00:10:22] <Superpig>	Splarka: are you thinking of something that catches the page when it's saved and updates the glossary page accordingly, or something?
[00:10:32] <Splarka>	lemme splain
[00:10:34] <Superpig>	I was hoping for something more like how the Category system works
[00:10:36] <Splarka>	in a normal page: {{glossary|term}}
[00:10:45] <Splarka>	on Project:glossary {{glossary|all}}
[00:10:49] <Splarka>	and in Template:Glossary:
[00:11:26] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{{1}}}|all|RAM=Random access memory}}
[00:11:33] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{{1}}}|all|ROM=Read only memory}}
[00:11:34] <Splarka>	etc
[00:11:51] <Splarka>	all the definitions would be inside the template, so only one place to edit
[00:11:56] <Superpig>	hmm, aye
[00:12:00] <Splarka>	and you'd be able to call one at a time, or all
[00:12:06] <Superpig>	that's what I'm trying to avoid, unfortunately
[00:12:09] <Splarka>	yah
[00:12:36] <Superpig>	I want the term names and definitions to be on the full page about them - i.e. "ROM = Read Only Memory" should be on the page that has the full article about ROM
[00:12:39] <Splarka>	(and you'd spruce it up to hide the text except on the project page)
[00:12:52] <Splarka>	well
[00:12:57] <Gali>	Splarka: i am working on specific extenion for mediawiki whic allow directly create map for article and data will be stored in SQL , which allows  searching articles via map.
[00:13:19] <Splarka>	Gali: sounds complex, maybe search mediawiki.org for similar extensions
[00:13:33] <Splarka>	Superpig: hmm, I have an idea..
[00:14:18] <Gali>	Splarka:  i am doing it as bachelor work :). So i am pretty sure, that something like i told is not avalaible. 
[00:15:10] <Gali>	Splarka: there are a lot of extension using maps. but not of them enables searching via maps.. (they stores data in wiki text.. or something like that)
[00:16:04] <Splarka>	yah, that sounds like something that might be better as a separate database than the mediawiki install even
[00:16:50] <Gali>	Splarka: that was adressed to me?
[00:18:11] <matthew_>	How can I make logins go over https, instead of http?
[00:18:15] <Splarka>	gali: yes
[00:18:19] <Gali>	Splarka: i dont want to do it as separate database.. i want to integrate to wiki sql structure with one key to page_id.
[00:18:51] <matthew_>	logins over http is pretty much pointless security..
[00:20:07] <Gali>	Splarka: ok , but what hooks should i look at.  What do you advice me for that ?
[00:21:53] <Splarka>	Gali: well, I'd guess it'd be better to use a Special page, and any hook that modifies the portlets should be fine (unless you want to make the button hidden/dynamic certain conditions), but I can't help ya with the db X_X
[00:26:26] <Gali>	Splarka: yes, i understand.  And with hidding button ,  I was thinking if is needed to have hidden in special cases. And result is that it could be good.  I found some strange situation as when user create new article ( then in this state) no pageid exist.. so i will need to allow working with map only for articles which exist.
[00:27:53] <Splarka>	Gali: will this be required to work in non-monobook skins?
[00:28:04] <Splarka>	like cologneblue, nostaliga, etc
[00:29:05] <Gali>	i think thats is not important, default template is good and nothing else to consider.
[00:32:24] <Gali>	Splarka: in which timezone are you?
[00:32:55] <Splarka>	PDT
[00:34:10] <Splarka>	Gali: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/examples/Content_action.php?view=markup  this one might be what you want (an example)
[00:34:36] <Gali>	Splarka: seems to be what can help :)
[00:36:08] <Gali>	Splarka: i am feeling bad for my english ...  thx very much for your support.
[00:36:37] <Splarka>	np
[00:37:22] <Gali>	i am going to sleep, heh 2::37 yet.. bye all.
[00:39:22] <Splarka>	ciao
[00:40:27] *Sasoriza 	thinks sleep sounds good
[00:47:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Zh traditional/ simplified conversion for NON rendered HTML too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13840 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni)
[01:36:41] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r33877 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogPage.php: -1 is bad too
[01:52:19] <midwolf>	how you guys think about lmplayer?
[03:18:53] <Waldir>	hey is anyone here? i have a question regarding the api
[03:19:07] <Waldir>	how does one workaround the cross-domain restrictions?
[03:20:02] <Splarka>	the ajax restrictions?
[03:20:24] <Splarka>	this is for a javascript?
[03:21:09] <Splarka>	Waldir: you can use the &callback parameter with format=json
[03:21:24] <Splarka>	and then, instead of an xmlhttprequest, you make it the src of a <script> tag you generate on demand
[03:22:34] <Waldir>	not sure i got that. this is my first attempt at a mashup, you see :P
[03:22:54] <Splarka>	this is for javascript though, right?
[03:22:57] <Waldir>	yes
[03:22:59] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r33878 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Don't show history link for logs
[03:23:10] <Splarka>	well, for example
[03:23:11] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=jsonfm&callback=siteinfoHandler&meta=siteinfo
[03:23:19] <Splarka>	imagine that was the src of a script tag
[03:23:25] <Splarka>	<script src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=jsonfm&callback=siteinfoHandler&meta=siteinfo">
[03:23:44] <Splarka>	upon creation, it would execute that callback
[03:23:55] <Splarka>	so you'd put in a function in your script (on another project) like:
[03:24:02] <Splarka>	function siteinfoHandler(obj) {
[03:24:26] <Splarka>	  if(!obj['query'] || !obj['query']['general']) return
[03:25:06] <Splarka>	  alert('this remote wiki is using' + obj['query']['general']['generator']);
[03:25:07] <Splarka>	}
[03:25:28] <Splarka>	well, with format=json and not jsonfm (jsonfm is html for human reading, json is executable js)
[03:27:17] <Waldir>	sounds pretty neat! there's a huge problem though... the api i am intending to access is the wikidata api from omegawiki, which is not even live yet, but Kim Bruning was kind to provide in his own server: http://bruning.xs4all.nl:8081/wikidata/api.php
[03:27:33] <Waldir>	and wikidata currently only outputs xml :s
[03:28:05] <Splarka>	well, then you'll have to run the query server-side or with a bot
[03:28:27] <Waldir>	with a bot?
[03:28:32] <Splarka>	hmm
[03:28:39] <Splarka>	the json works there
[03:29:17] <Splarka>	http://bruning.xs4all.nl:8081/wikidata/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&format=jsonfm&callback=siteinfoCallback
[03:29:37] <Waldir>	yes but not for action=wikidata
[03:29:40] <Waldir>	http://bruning.xs4all.nl:8081/wikidata/api.php?action=wikidata&wdtype=randomdm&wdlanguages=eng
[03:29:41] <Splarka>	ahh
[03:29:55] <Waldir>	i was trying to get random words for a little hangman game :)
[03:29:59] <Splarka>	so tell Kim to fix it?
[03:30:02] <Waldir>	lol
[03:30:08] <Splarka>	oof
[03:30:52] <Splarka>	anyway, can't be done in JS really
[03:31:04] <Splarka>	unless you use a signed script, or security-disabled client ^_^
[03:31:15] <Splarka>	(not worth it)
[03:31:43] <Waldir>	wait a moment, didnt you say it could be done above?
[03:32:03] <Splarka>	sure, with format=json
[03:32:12] <Splarka>	and with a callback
[03:32:17] <Splarka>	that is the only way to do it in a <script> tag
[03:32:32] <Waldir>	i see. what about that callback part, what does it do exactly?
[03:33:16] <Splarka>	http://bruning.xs4all.nl:8081/wikidata/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&format=jsonfm
[03:33:28] <Splarka>	this defines a potential object wrapped in {}, but is useless as straight JS
[03:34:20] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=jsonfm&callback=siteinfoHandler&meta=siteinfo
[03:34:33] <Splarka>	this however, is a call to a function
[03:34:37] <Waldir>	i see
[03:34:39] <Splarka>	with a potential object as the first parameter
[03:34:54] <Splarka>	which you can access by creating a function like function siteinfoHandler(obj) {}
[03:35:26] <Waldir>	this is cool, but then how do the other mashups work? do all apis have this callback parameter and json output? that doesnt seem plausible
[03:35:27] <Splarka>	note that callback is a rather new feature, isn't even available on Kim's wiki above
[03:35:35] <Waldir>	precisely...
[03:35:43] <Splarka>	so ask for upgrade ^_^
[03:35:56] <Splarka>	what it is good for... in theory anyways, is something like Wikimedia
[03:36:07] <Splarka>	a few hundred projects on several domains, but all running the same version
[03:36:25] <Splarka>	for example, an ajax-like script to check if an interlang link on a given page is backlinked, simple with callback
[03:36:44] <Splarka>	(even if the language project is on another TLD)
[03:36:48] <Waldir>	lol i cant wait for him to upgrade, this is an assignent... i just was trying not to use a static word bank for the game, you see?
[03:36:58] <Splarka>	indeed
[03:37:16] <Splarka>	you might try hashing the results somehow ^_^
[03:37:29] <Waldir>	what do you mean, hashing?
[03:37:55] <Splarka>	well, I mean, encrypt the answer in md5 so that even if they see it, they can't guess it, then you can store it locally
[03:38:10] <Waldir>	oh no the problem is not that :)
[03:38:15] <Splarka>	ahh k
[03:38:24] <Waldir>	I just wanted the game to have infinite levels, sort of :P
[03:38:32] <Waldir>	an "infinite" supply of words
[03:38:34] <Splarka>	well then
[03:38:44] <Splarka>	take a scrabble dictionary.. of about 2.5 million words...
[03:38:53] <Splarka>	wrap it in a very simple php script...
[03:39:07] <Splarka>	voila ^_^
[03:39:11] <Waldir>	yes i will have to :(
[03:39:31] <Splarka>	you could then access it via <script>, or xmlhttprequest locally
[03:39:42] <Splarka>	have it output valid javascript, like...
[03:39:50] <Splarka>	 newword('somerandomword');
[03:40:06] <Waldir>	before we get back to that (it wasnt that voila for me :P), i'd really like to know
[03:40:13] <Waldir>	how other mashups do work??
[03:40:30] <Splarka>	define mashup?
[03:40:34] <Waldir>	are all of them based on workarounds, proxies, and stuff?
[03:40:51] <Waldir>	mashup = using an api from an external site to get some content
[03:40:55] <Waldir>	and then manipulate it
[03:41:40] <Splarka>	well, most stick to the same domain
[03:42:06] <Splarka>	and where they can't, they get the info from the remote domain server-side, and relay it locally
[03:42:36] <Splarka>	and where they can't even do that, they have to rely on tricks that are exempt from inter-domain restrictions, like embedded images and <script> tags of executable javascript
[03:42:52] <Waldir>	sorry I didnt quite get that very well 
[03:42:57] <Splarka>	anything else would be too insecure
[03:42:59] <Splarka>	well
[03:43:10] <Splarka>	lets say you're on gmail, and you click 'mark conversation as something or other'
[03:43:30] <Splarka>	it sends an ajax request to the same domain, so there is no security prob, and then updates live
[03:43:51] <Splarka>	now, lets say your trying to import your hotmail account into gmail (or twitter or whatever)
[03:44:08] <Splarka>	you type in your name and password, and the server actually makes the connection to the remote server, not your browser
[03:44:27] <Splarka>	then the browser updates you upon completion, no security probs (if you trust twitter anyway)
[03:44:45] <Splarka>	so, in your case, you could have your server make the connection to Kim's api
[03:44:54] <Waldir>	errrrr
[03:44:54] <Splarka>	rather than the client (via JS)
[03:45:01] <Waldir>	i can try that
[03:45:11] <Splarka>	well, that is how one mashes up across domains ^_^
[03:45:40] <Splarka>	the third option mentioned above is to use images/script tags/frames/iframes/embedded objects, etc
[03:45:55] <Splarka>	but you can't really return any usable data (to the local JS) that way, except with script tags
[03:46:07] <Waldir>	but i still didn't quite get it. you say "the server actually makes the connection to the remote server, not your browser", please elaborate on it a bit more :)
[03:46:14] <Splarka>	and those rely on the remote JS being the proper mimetype and executable JS 
[03:46:21] <Splarka>	well
[03:46:30] <Splarka>	now I think we're spammy, I'
[03:46:32] <Splarka>	ll pm
[03:50:27] <naught103>	hoe do I replace a magic word variable with it's output? substitute or something?
[03:51:49] <Splarka>	{{subst:PAGENAME}}
[03:53:16] <naught103>	thanks Splarka
[03:53:21] <Splarka>	rar
[03:54:42] <patbam>	http://www.pilhokim.com/pilhowiki/index.php?title=EChronicle:Importing_Wikipedia is this an uptodate description of how to run a local wikipedia on linux? 
[04:23:25] <naught103>	what does it mean when I edit a template and remove a few characters, then save, and the characters aren't removed?
[04:23:45] <naught103>	I mean, I try to edit again, and the characters are back there
[04:24:01] <naught103>	even when I clear my cache
[04:24:37] <Splarka>	does your last edit show in the history?
[04:25:40] <naught103>	Splarka: nope, I've logged out and tried editing it there, but the same thing happens
[04:26:16] <Splarka>	the save appears to go through though?
[04:26:47] <naught103>	no errors are shown to me, and I get sent to the template page, although I can't see the change there, cause it's include only
[04:26:56] <naught103>	but it doesn't change a page which uses the template
[04:27:12] <naught103>	http://en.envirowiki.info/index.php?title=Template:NewsItem&action=edit
[04:27:30] <naught103>	I want to change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=pagetype::news|:news to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=pagetype::news|:news
[04:27:31] <Splarka>	ahh, try action=purge on the page using the template?
[04:27:35] <naught103>	whoops
[04:27:36] <naught103>	ok
[04:27:50] *Splarka 	eats
[04:28:06] <naught103>	no change
[04:29:01] <naught103>	I want to change [ [ pagetype::news|:news ] ] to [ [ pagetype::news| ] ]
[04:29:44] <naught103>	job queue length is 0
[04:31:37] <naught103>	WHOA!... I can edit the page fine... I added "blah" in randomly. then I removed blah and made my change, and it went back to how it was before.
[04:31:47] <naught103>	I think this must be a semantic-mediawiki odditiy
[04:32:15] <Superpig>	Help! My Special:Search has gone missing :(
[04:32:32] <Superpig>	I just upgraded from 1.5rc4 to 1.7.3 and Special:Search gives a 'Special Page not found'
[04:32:53] <naught103>	ok, fixed.. replaced |:news]] with | ]]
[04:34:06] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r33879 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: wfProfileOut( __METHOD__ );
[04:35:50] <Splarka>	naught103: heh, I see the prob
[04:36:06] <Splarka>	you're basically null editing
[04:36:23] <Splarka>	[[pagetype::news|]] automatically turns in to [[pagetype:|:news]]
[04:36:26] <Splarka>	er
[04:36:32] <Splarka>	[[pagetype::news|:news]]
[04:36:35] <Splarka>	that is called the pipe trick
[04:37:57] <Superpig>	Has anyone seen my Special:Search page? Are you perhaps sitting on it, or did it fall down the back of your sofa? Check your sandwich: are you sure that's cheese you're eating, and not my Special:Search page?
[04:38:18] <Splarka>	naught103: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick
[04:40:02] <naught103>	right. thanks Splarka
[04:40:42] <Superpig>	could somebody please at least point me at the place in the sources where I'd start looking?
[04:41:11] <Splarka>	Superpig: listed on Special:Specialpages?
[04:41:21] <Superpig>	nope
[04:41:28] <Splarka>	what happens when you use the search box?
[04:41:44] <Superpig>	the URL goes to Special:Search, and I get a "No such special page" error page.
[04:42:54] <Splarka>	wow, impressive
[04:43:25] <Superpig>	yeah, that's what I thought.
[04:45:10] <Superpig>	includes/SpecialSearch.php is present and has the same permissions as everything else
[04:47:48] <Splarka>	check $wgDisableTextSearch and $wgDisableSearchContext in your settings?
[04:48:53] <Superpig>	doh!
[04:49:00] <Superpig>	I've not yet updated the navbar code
[04:49:13] <Superpig>	to match what I used to have. And what I used to have was a search powered by Google...
[04:50:19] <Superpig>	that got it. thanks :)
[04:50:49] <Splarka>	ahh
[04:53:30] <MZMcBride>	Is there any decent way to get <imagemap>s to work with the thumbnail size?
[04:53:36] <MZMcBride>	Or work with percentages?
[04:55:33] <Splarka>	that's a strange concept
[04:55:54] <MZMcBride>	Think so?
[04:55:59] <Splarka>	the reason it does what it does, is so that you can do the imagemap as you like based on the original, and then you or someone else can easily rescale it later
[04:56:06] <Splarka>	like if the width of an infobox changes
[04:56:25] <MZMcBride>	Well, it'd be nice to be able to base it on percentages or thumbnail width.
[04:56:53] <Splarka>	so if you have a 1000x1000 picture, you can make 300x300 box in the middle clickable, and then change the thumbnail size as you want willy-nilly
[04:56:57] <MZMcBride>	My userpage uses a random image with an imagemap. And I'm going to have to calculate all the different imagemaps.
[04:57:52] <Splarka>	random how?
[04:58:04] <Splarka>	based on a rotating timestamp? so it is broken with cache?
[05:00:05] <MZMcBride>	{{#switch:{{#expr:{{NUMBEROFEDITS:R}} mod 14}}
[05:00:18] <MZMcBride>	When the servers or a user purges my user page, I get a new image.
[05:00:28] <MZMcBride>	Or the same image. Whichever.
[05:00:48] <Splarka>	yah, so broken by cache ^_^
[05:01:02] <MZMcBride>	Well, we discussed ways to purge it...
[05:01:07] <Splarka>	so why do you need a defined imagemap? can't you just use a default?
[05:01:21] <MZMcBride>	Well, I have two links I want to use.
[05:01:29] <MZMcBride>	One for half the image, the other for the other half.
[05:01:40] <Splarka>	and all 14 images have a similar shape object on them you can link?
[05:01:48] <Splarka>	ahh, er, why? ^_^
[05:01:59] <MZMcBride>	Because? :P
[05:02:06] <MZMcBride>	I have a to-do list and a watchlist.
[05:02:09] <Splarka>	fair
[05:03:07] <MZMcBride>	I suppose there are two options currently.
[05:03:26] <MZMcBride>	Re-calculate the imagemaps and make a few switches. Or upload the thumbnails.
[05:04:53] <Splarka>	or ask brion to allow animated gifs to show a single frame using the page parameter
[05:05:08] <Splarka>	(since he hates thems, they burns us, he might do it)
[06:03:48] <siebrand>	hmm, where are the commit mails?
[06:07:47] <flyingparchment>	are you expecting one?
[06:09:13] <Lady_Aleena>	I wonder if with the universal log in there will be a universal e-mail verification and validation (or whatever it is called).
[06:09:28] <Lady_Aleena>	I know on a few sites, I haven't verified yet.
[06:10:03] <Werdna>	dammit, no Tim
[06:10:30] <Splarka>	<TimStarling> I'll take my laptop with me, but I probably won't have internet access
[06:10:32] <Splarka>	heh
[06:11:11] <Werdna>	bah
[06:15:03] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: why "List of users with $1 rights" links to Special:Listusers?
[06:15:18] <VasilievVV>	And is there a way to delete groups?
[06:15:27] <Werdna>	unassign all rights from them.
[06:15:39] <Werdna>	maybe that should be in the message.
[06:16:06] <VasilievVV>	Is there "(un)check all" button?
[06:16:32] <Werdna>	possibly, I could add a 'delete' button which just clears all perms.
[06:16:50] <VasilievVV>	It would be nice
[06:17:07] <VasilievVV>	And what about listusers?
[06:17:19] <Werdna>	yeah, I need to do that.
[06:17:23] <VasilievVV>	I may try to modify Special:GlobalUsers
[06:17:41] <VasilievVV>	Though it already LEFT JOINs two tables
[06:21:04] <Werdna>	I just posted to wikitech-l
[06:27:43] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: have you?
[06:29:06] <VasilievVV>	I can't see it
[06:31:12] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: yeah, I'm sure I did
[06:31:13] <Werdna>	let me see
[06:33:59] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: I sent it, but it didn't seem to send properly
[06:35:41] <VasilievVV>	LEFT JOIN for 3 tables is bad idea, isn't it?
[06:37:34] <siebrand>	flyingparchment: didn't get one for  r33879 for example.
[06:37:44] <VasilievVV>	Notice: Undefined property: Title::$getPrefixedText in C:\xampp\htdocs\phase3\extensions\CentralAuth\SpecialGlobalGroupMembership.php on line 53
[06:37:51] <flyingparchment>	siebrand: the list server is ill, i'm looking at it now
[06:37:58] <VasilievVV>	:(
[06:38:08] <siebrand>	flyingparchment: cough sirup?
[07:07:45] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: ok, i've done it
[07:07:57] <VasilievVV>	Just several tweaks, and I'll commit it today
[07:08:41] <VasilievVV>	but now i gotta go
[07:29:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) interfere with other extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13841 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (dasch_87)
[07:33:39] <CIA-50>	03siebrand * r33880 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: image => media
[08:07:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) improperly closed references tag should result in an obvious error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12757  +comment (10low.sea)
[08:09:20] <Bebe>	hi!
[08:15:21] <havvg>	guten morgen!
[08:18:18] <GNU_D>	Hi, I could make an infobox, if anyone can guide me please ?
[08:18:24] <GNU_D>	couldn't *
[08:21:03] <Werdna>	GNU_D: I don't know about infoboxen
[08:21:09] <Werdna>	ask in #wikipedia, there are some template boffins in there.
[08:21:34] <GNU_D>	I'm following it, but it's not functioning 
[08:41:11] <faceface>	Hi, typical dumb question here... how is {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} computed? i.e. why is it different from {{NUMBEROFPAGES}} ? I would like to add this info to the man
[08:42:19] <Splarka>	"articles" are typically: a) in the main namespace, b) contain at least one link, c) not a #REDIRECT
[08:42:54] <faceface>	contain at least one link... internal link?
[08:43:03] <Splarka>	there are other ways of calculating them, but I believe that is the current method
[08:43:08] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:45:18] <Splarka>	faceface: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article
[08:45:39] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to Splarka :)
[08:45:51] <Splarka>	looks like an internal (not interwiki) link, or an image, counts
[08:45:56] *Splarka 	splashes at Jack
[08:46:15] <Jack_Phoenix>	:]
[08:46:28] <Splarka>	if it means a link in the way I think, this also includes #ifexist and templates
[08:46:46] <Nikerabbit>	tere Jack_Phoenix 
[08:47:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	hoi Nikerabbit :)
[08:47:15] <Splarka>	so, for example:
[08:47:34] <Splarka>	[[Foo]], {{foo}}, [[Image:Foo.jpg]], {{#ifexist:foo}}, would all count as links
[08:48:11] <Splarka>	but: [http://www.google.com google], [[fr:foo]], [[m:foo]] would not (assuming fr: and m: are interlang and interwiki respectively)
[08:48:44] <Splarka>	and categories might or might not count, heh
[08:51:06] <Splarka>	or you could check /maintenance/updateArticleCount.inc.php  heh
[08:51:39] <Splarka>	return "SELECT DISTINCT page_namespace,page_title FROM $page,$pagelinks " . "WHERE pl_from=page_id and page_namespace IN ( $nsset ) " . "AND page_is_redirect = 0 AND page_len > 0";
[08:59:46] <CIA-50>	03shinjiman * r33881 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[09:17:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Only pagename should be in quotation marks in MediaWiki: Missingarticle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13828  +comment (10huji.huji)
[09:25:23] <faceface>	thanks Splarka 
[09:25:49] <Splarka>	ra
[09:26:01] <Lady_Aleena>	rar?
[09:34:47] <axelor>	hello
[09:36:21] <axelor>	i'm wondering: can i upload a file while editing a page and insert it as an attachement in mediawiki?
[09:36:45] <axelor>	is there any extension to attach files to a page?
[09:37:17] <Lady_Aleena>	Not in the way you are thinking I believe.
[09:37:23] <axelor>	and also, what about having a hierarchical view of all the pages i have on my website?
[09:37:29] <Lady_Aleena>	What is it you want to do?
[09:38:38] <axelor>	Lady_Aleena i want to have the ability to upload a file on a page. If you know Dekiwiki, it have this ability
[09:39:21] <Lady_Aleena>	What article?
[09:40:19] <Lady_Aleena>	And I do not know Dekiwiki.
[09:40:32] <axelor>	because i saw there is the link function, [[Image:Exemple.jpg]] but it looks like we can only put local files on it (therefore passing through an ftp client to put the file in the /image directory and so on)
[09:41:29] <Lady_Aleena>	Do you want to put an image into an article?
[09:41:31] <flyingparchment>	no, you upload the file via the upload page
[09:41:38] <Splarka>	files linked to in [[Image:]] type tags are uploaded via the wiki
[09:41:38] <flyingparchment>	using ftp would not work
[09:41:47] <axelor>	my boss wants us to have collaborative work. especially, he wants us to have the possibility to exchange files easily through the wiki, to search IN the file for a specific word...
[09:41:54] <Lady_Aleena>	flyingparchment, I was getting to that.
[09:42:02] <axelor>	oh ok
[09:42:09] <axelor>	i'm checking the upload page
[09:42:10] <axelor>	:)
[09:42:10] <flyingparchment>	well, i got there.  don't be offended
[09:42:25] <Lady_Aleena>	I was taking it slow.
[09:42:27] <Splarka>	$wgEnableUploads
[09:42:30] *Splarka 	grins
[09:42:33] *Splarka 	offends Lady_Aleena
[09:42:45] <Lady_Aleena>	No you didn't.
[09:42:47] <Splarka>	and then one goes to Special:Upload
[09:42:52] *Splarka 	ponders how he can, then!
[09:43:13] <Splarka>	axelor: you may also wish to modify:  $wgFileExtensions = array( 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg' );
[09:43:24] <axelor>	ok :)
[09:43:38] <Splarka>	as well as $wgFileBlacklist (if you want to allow certain ones)
[09:48:40] <axelor>	Splarka sure i do :)  can i put a *?
[09:49:42] <axelor>	to granted uplaod for all type of files
[09:51:15] <axelor>	mmh doesn't work
[09:51:56] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions
[09:51:58] <axelor>	i have to list all the type of files i want? cuz actually there is a lot: xml, py, odt, doc, xls, jpg, png,.......
[09:52:08] <axelor>	thanks :
[09:52:13] <Splarka>	you'd have to blank the blacklists too
[09:52:23] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgMimeTypeBlacklist and  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileBlacklist
[09:52:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	blanking the blacklists means editing DefaultSettings.php
[09:52:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	which isn't usually recommended
[09:53:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	as it gets overwritten in the next software upgrade
[09:53:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	and then you have to blank it again and again...you get the idea ;-)
[09:53:21] <Splarka>	or redefining them, eg $wgMimeTypeBlacklist= array()
[09:53:42] <axelor>	:s
[09:53:43] <Splarka>	eg, not array_merge() should work fine, no?
[09:53:57] <axelor>	i don't know anything of php :'(
[09:54:21] *Splarka 	prods Jack
[09:54:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	ow
[09:56:22] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:56:32] <axelor>	$wgFileExtensions should be in localsettings.php or defaultsettings.php?
[09:56:52] <Splarka>	local
[09:56:54] <Splarka>	don't edit default
[09:56:56] <Splarka>	but try this...
[09:57:00] <Splarka>	$wgStrictFileExtensions = false;
[09:57:12] <Splarka>	$wgMimeTypeBlacklist= array();
[09:57:24] <Splarka>	$wgFileBlacklist = array();
[09:57:32] <Splarka>	in theory, that would allow... everything...
[09:57:53] <axelor>	oh ok
[09:58:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The "changed since last visit" flag is not working correctly ( watchlist items bold randomly etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10172  +comment (10ciell.wikipedia)
[09:59:06] <axelor>	:/
[09:59:29] <axelor>	anything i not an appropriate image file format
[09:59:31] <axelor>	:s
[09:59:44] <Splarka>	even if you add them to  $wgFileExtensions  ?
[10:00:51] <axelor>	yep
[10:00:55] <flyingparchment>	allowing everything is a great idea, i can upload "haxor.php" and write my nice php code inside it
[10:01:02] <axelor>	can't upload .py, .exe files
[10:01:13] <axelor>	lol flyingparchment :)
[10:01:40] <Splarka>	<axelor> my boss wants us to have collaborative work. especially, he wants us to have the possibility to exchange files easily through the wiki, to search IN the file for a specific word...
[10:01:41] <flyingparchment>	(hint: not really a great idea)
[10:01:47] *Splarka 	doesn't ask why ^_^
[10:02:12] <Splarka>	the only thing I have a conscience about is when people ask how to make all links have target=_blank X_X
[10:02:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	target=_blank fails anyway
[10:02:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	tabs for the win ;-)
[10:03:12] <axelor>	Splarka??
[10:03:53] <Splarka>	heh
[10:04:33] <Splarka>	well, try something simple and non-blacklisted like   $wgFileExtensions[] = 'zip';
[10:04:59] <axelor>	Splarka actually jpg, png, and pdf files are ok
[10:05:13] <axelor>	but py, exe aren't
[10:05:26] <axelor>	they are all listed in the wgFileExtensions ;)
[10:05:51] <zocky>	on an unrelated note, media files should be addressed internally without the extension
[10:05:54] <Splarka>	did you overwrite the blacklist? 
[10:05:56] <axelor>	by the what happens if i want to upload two files with the exact same name?
[10:06:11] <Splarka>	the newer version is made current, the older is available not current
[10:06:23] <Splarka>	zocky: keep on dreaming ^_^
[10:06:27] <zocky>	i.e. [[Image:Sunset]] should work regardless of whether you upladed a .jpg, .JPG, .jpeg, .png, .gif or whatever file that can be shown as an image
[10:06:40] <axelor>	i don't have blacklist, except if it is in another file
[10:06:45] <Splarka>	btw, BEANS: you can upload any file format you want by renaming it to .pdf on wikimedia
[10:06:55] <axelor>	that can be shown as an image!!
[10:07:04] <Splarka>	axelor: I mean, did you put $wgFileBlacklist = array(); in your localsettings?
[10:07:25] <axelor>	nope
[10:07:30] <Splarka>	well..
[10:07:37] <axelor>	$wgFileExtensions = array()
[10:07:38] <axelor>	;
[10:07:41] *Splarka 	smacks ya across the back of the head
[10:07:49] <Splarka>	<Splarka> $wgStrictFileExtensions = false;
[10:07:49] <Splarka>	<Splarka> $wgMimeTypeBlacklist= array();
[10:07:49] <Splarka>	<Splarka> $wgFileBlacklist = array();
[10:07:58] <Splarka>	all three together, should allow anything, as stated above
[10:08:13] <Splarka>	$wgFileExtensions = array() would do nothing useful
[10:09:35] <axelor>	ok works better :)
[10:10:00] *Splarka 	grrs
[10:10:07] <Splarka>	<Splarka> in theory, that would allow... everything...
[10:10:07] <Splarka>	<axelor> oh ok
[10:10:10] <axelor>	have now a problem with mimetypes files. will check for the tutorial on the website you gave me
[10:10:14] <Splarka>	<axelor> anything i not an appropriate image file format
[10:10:28] <Splarka>	please don't waste our time by not doing what we say then complaining about it not working
[10:10:40] <axelor>	It is recommended that files are no larger than 150 KO; this file is 696 KO.  <- that bores me a bit, how can i change that? still in the localsettings?
[10:10:55] <Splarka>	read DefaultSettings.php
[10:12:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol @ Spl's quit message :P
[10:13:02] <faceface>	Splarka?
[10:13:34] <faceface>	hrm... conference mode I guess...
[10:14:10] <faceface>	I added a link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics
[10:14:30] <faceface>	now I am wondering if I should add a link to updateArticleCount.php from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article
[10:14:50] <faceface>	seems our article count was badly borked... but anyway, my question is what link to use?
[10:15:22] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:UpdateArticleCount.inc.php&action=edit&redlink=1 I guess :(
[10:16:27] <faceface>	bleah... can't be bothered to create that page properly...
[10:17:42] <faceface>	GAh! why .inc
[10:23:04] <faceface>	why are some listed as .inc and others as .inc.php?
[10:23:22] <faceface>	deleteOrphanedRevisions.inc.php  importImages.inc.php  reassignEdits.inc.php  updateArticleCount.inc.php
[10:29:27] <faceface>	yay! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article
[10:34:32] <Gali>	what for is $wgMessageCache ?
[10:35:51] <domas>	for storing interface messages
[10:36:01] <domas>	it merges interface messages from various places
[10:37:21] <Gali>	how did you define interrface message in mediawikI?
[10:37:41] <Nikerabbit>	anything that hurts performance
[10:37:54] <Gali>	:)
[10:38:05] <Gali>	and one more question 
[10:38:15] <Nikerabbit>	but really, all text that goes to user is supposed to be translateable
[10:38:49] <Gali>	$wgTitle and $wgArticle, what is main difference between them?
[10:39:24] <Nikerabbit>	title is a page and article is a page with content :o
[11:03:01] <faceface>	Why is there no {{NUMBEROFVIEWS}}?
[11:04:36] <piero>	hello
[11:04:41] <piero>	there is a new webservice where you can make PDF from wikibooks
[11:05:03] <piero>	http://blogpaper.com/wiki2pdf
[11:06:08] <domas>	Gali: mediawiki: namespace
[11:06:23] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) whitelist interface strings of Wikimedia Commons for translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5925  +comment (10snooze210904)
[11:06:43] <ierpe>	hey, i would like to add the bllacklist check on the article comments, which function or hook is called on a comment post?
[11:07:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagged bots to have exeption from spamlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13706  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[11:07:41] <piero>	there is a new web service where you can make PDF from wikibooks - http://blogpaper.com/wiki2pdf
[11:10:13] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: because it is show and not recored in wmf
[11:10:35] <Nikerabbit>	slow even
[11:10:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Invalid redirects that are treated like valid redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13833  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[11:22:59] <umar>	hello everyone
[11:24:00] <umar>	will someone tell me how jobs are used? 
[11:24:22] <umar>	we want one job to have many updates...
[11:24:37] <umar>	and one job is executing batch queries
[11:24:53] <umar>	we also want to invoke the jobs 
[11:25:06] <umar>	where is the code that invokes running of a job?
[11:25:25] <Nikerabbit>	ur??
[11:25:57] <Nikerabbit>	a new job type?
[11:26:06] <ierpe>	hey, is it normal that the spam filter extension block class because ass is in it and was registered as a wrong regex?????
[11:26:19] <umar>	no, i mean suppose a page changes
[11:26:40] <umar>	then all the caches of pages that include it need to be invalidated
[11:26:56] <umar>	but if therye are many of them, tehy are inserted in job queue
[11:27:09] <umar>	i want to know how htese jobs are later on run
[11:29:33] <umar>	where is the code in mediawiki that pops a job and runs it periodically?
[11:30:16] <Nikerabbit>	umm
[11:30:21] <ierpe>	hey, is it normal that the spam filter extension blocks "class" because "ass" is in it and was registered as a wrong regex?????
[11:30:33] <Nikerabbit>	it is either run on page requests or with a own process
[11:31:11] <Nikerabbit>	ierpe: why in earth would 'ass' be in a spam filter?
[11:31:31] <ierpe>	its an example...
[11:31:48] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[11:31:56] <ierpe>	still, a word in the blacklist shouldnt be filtered if its in contained in another word
[11:31:58] <Nikerabbit>	afaik spam regex only looks up links, but I'm not sure
[11:32:12] <Nikerabbit>	that's how regexp works
[11:32:13] <flyingparchment>	spam regex applies to all page content
[11:32:19] <flyingparchment>	spamblacklist extension only applies to links
[11:32:37] <Nikerabbit>	whatever, too many of them anyway
[11:35:47] <ierpe>	but if the word "ass" is blacklisted, "class" shouldnt be filtered huh? :/
[11:36:07] <flyingparchment>	ierpe: it's not a list of words, it's a regular expression
[11:36:14] <flyingparchment>	perhaps you need to learn how to write regexps better :)
[11:36:22] <ierpe>	hehe
[11:36:47] <ierpe>	but i thought it was taking spaces as separators
[11:36:48] <flyingparchment>	.. also, why would you allow your users to talk about horses, but not asses?
[11:37:12] <ierpe>	its like i want it... im asked to install filters.. :s
[11:37:20] <ierpe>	its not*
[11:38:34] <henrik>	domas: you around? I hate to bug you again, but the stats are no longer updating. 
[11:41:49] <Paintman>	Is it possible to modify the style and layout of the printable version of a page?
[11:41:59] <axelor>	i know we are on a mediawiki chat, but honestly, i would like to know if you have an idea about the most suited wiki for a medium enterprise (around 20 people) collaborative system, based on file and informations exchange. The wiki should be adapted to a software development company, other administrative works, and a client side view that allow him to see for example the development of his software (differend kind of users and page 
[11:42:28] <flyingparchment>	axelor: i usually recommend confluence to people for whom mediawiki is not suitable
[11:42:36] <flyingparchment>	axelor: it's more aimed at 'enterprise' market than mediawiki
[11:42:36] <domas>	henrik: damnit
[11:42:41] <domas>	checking
[11:42:57] <axelor>	confluence. ok i ll check that, thank you :)
[11:43:09] <axelor>	but flyingparchment, do you think mediawiki is suited as well?
[11:44:30] <axelor>	because my boss have a crush on it and want me to implement it for our work. With extensions to mediawiki, could i reach my goal?
[11:45:11] <flyingparchment>	axelor: mediawiki doesn't have strong access control and based on your earlier questions, i'm not sure its file handling works in the way you want
[11:45:21] <domas>	henrik: was a typo in cleanup script, will update soon
[11:46:28] <axelor>	flyingparchment thank you for your confirmation, actually i had noticed that after testing it, now will try to make it understand to my boss ;)
[11:46:45] <henrik>	domas: aha :) 
[11:47:15] <axelor>	flyingparchment mediawiki is used my wikipedia, but which kind of other uses it is suited for?
[11:47:24] <axelor>	-my + by
[11:47:25] <flyingparchment>	axelor: public websites
[11:47:37] <flyingparchment>	or informal collaboration
[11:48:09] <henrik>	domas: people apparently find these stats pretty useful. They're used quite a bit by editors and other people which are curious.
[11:48:29] <domas>	henrik: yeah, raw dumps have also been used for various nice stuff
[11:48:42] <domas>	henrik: like.. the paper version of de.wiki :)
[11:48:52] <domas>	and I'm sure it has an article on anal sex
[11:48:58] <domas>	I have to rework filters a bit
[11:49:13] <domas>	like.. in C
[11:49:20] <domas>	and add all the other projects
[11:49:50] <axelor>	ok i see. and last question: is mediawiki fine for media contents (i just mean article with a lot of files sharing) or is just well based as an information system as helps, documentation, faqs and so on
[11:50:06] <flyingparchment>	well, there's plenty of media on wikipedia
[11:50:53] <axelor>	and would it be possible to have an attachment file tab directly in the article page?
[11:51:30] <flyingparchment>	with a fair amount of effort
[11:51:53] <axelor>	because if i want to put a file on a page, i need to go on upload page, and then put the link to the file in my page :s bit boring for everyone i think
[11:52:13] <axelor>	mmh ok and isn't there any extensions for it?
[11:52:20] <flyingparchment>	i don't know, i've never needed to do that
[11:52:23] <R-mus>	hi
[11:52:51] <R-mus>	is there a way to color the text in a article?
[11:53:33] <axelor>	ok flyingparchment then thanks for your kind help :)
[11:59:13] <R-mus>	is there no way to color the text?
[12:01:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{REVISIONUSER}} to print name of editor of current revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10336  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[12:14:15] <tale>	R-mus: Text and background color can be changed with CSS.
[12:14:57] <R-mus>	I think I found it at last
[12:15:10] <R-mus>	<span style="color: #ba0000">red</span>
[12:15:15] <R-mus>	thats what I meant
[12:27:54] <msless>	Hi anyone willing to help this noob?
[12:36:21] <msless>	Hi anyone willing to help this noob?
[12:41:58] <R-mus>	msless: if you 1. dont call yourself a noob 2. just ask the question, dont ask to ask
[12:42:10] <R-mus>	ops -if you*
[12:43:06] <msless>	ok i'm totally new to mediawiki's code and in 7 days time i wanna edit the code and make it a research collaboration tool
[12:43:39] <msless>	but since i'm not such an expert you will have to be a little parient to help me
[12:43:40] <R-mus>	so you wanna make a wiki into a tool?
[12:43:46] <msless>	ya
[12:43:56] <msless>	my ideas are here
[12:44:04] <axelor>	mol
[12:44:13] <msless>	i want it to be a platform for open research
[12:44:17] <R-mus>	ok and what is this tool suppose to do that the wiki aint
[12:44:32] <R-mus>	msless: ah you mean... a wiki?
[12:44:55] <msless>	i mean you can publish your research papers and anyone can edit it!
[12:45:05] <R-mus>	:D
[12:45:29] <R-mus>	aint that exacly what a wiki is for?
[12:46:55] <msless>	I just wanna catagorize all the articles into papers aticles articles commenting on papers and talk(whic is already there) and make a few other tools like an online (web based ) chat for eacheach research and events calender for each
[12:47:32] <msless>	i wanna let users form groups for a research which is moderated by the guy who started it
[12:47:39] <R-mus>	make it from scratch?
[12:47:47] <msless>	no 
[12:47:50] <R-mus>	learn php and hit it
[12:47:57] <msless>	i found media wiki 
[12:47:59] <msless>	a 
[12:48:22] <msless>	very perfect thing to build upon
[12:48:45] <R-mus>	ok
[12:48:54] <R-mus>	well its gonna take a lot of work
[12:48:58] <msless>	... If your suggestion is to start from scraqtch i'll consider it
[12:49:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit conflict expands edit box to entire article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4745  (10equazcion)
[12:49:23] <R-mus>	do you know anything about php?
[12:50:06] <msless>	ok i dont care if takes all the sleep from me it has done so before i've even started searching for a code to start it up
[12:50:49] <msless>	check this out orb.mywebcommunity.org i started it here but abandoned the web site completely
[12:50:50] <R-mus>	ok, learn php and then mod mediawiki to suit you
[12:51:11] <R-mus>	but just to let you know, it'll take a while to get into the code
[12:51:20] <msless>	I know php to the intermediate extent 
[12:51:34] <R-mus>	:)
[12:51:42] <msless>	but the code is too much connected among files ... yeah
[12:52:13] <svip>	How come I can't do this?
[12:52:14] <svip>	$GLOBALS['wgParser']->setHook('streamline', $stlObj->StreamlineTag);
[12:52:59] <R-mus>	svip: what happens and what happens not
[12:53:19] <svip>	Well, it says "Invalid call hook streamline".
[12:53:57] <R-mus>	msless: if you know php, then take a good look at the mediawiki code and make it from scratch. perhaps use some nice functions from MW only
[12:54:13] <msless>	ok
[12:54:27] <R-mus>	I find it a bit hard to make big changes to project thats big allready
[12:55:20] <msless>	can you suggest some extensions that would help?
[12:55:34] <R-mus>	except of mediawiki?
[12:56:24] <R-mus>	have you googled for other opensource project that are somehow alike to yours?
[12:56:41] <svip>	Like Tiki wiki?
[12:56:44] <svip>	Hah!
[12:56:57] <R-mus>	xD
[12:57:03] <svip>	After working with other wikis, I realised how much better MW was.
[12:57:13] <svip>	(by other wikis I mean other wiki software)
[12:58:36] <msless>	no not completely
[12:59:55] <msless>	So i think i'll do a research and then come back here....
[12:59:59] <msless>	Thanx
[13:00:15] <R-mus>	np
[13:00:23] <R-mus>	seems to be the best way to start
[13:00:40] <svip>	Well, R-mus, can you help with me issue then?
[13:04:37] <R-mus>	I'm looking at it but I cant find any solution, someelse might know
[13:14:06] <svip>	well, R-mus, here is the backtrace; http://wiki.sviip.dk/Test:Streamline?action=purge
[13:25:37] <Dvyjones>	How do I make lists in a table-row appear at the top, instead of being vertically centered?
[13:25:53] <Dvyjones>	On one page only
[13:29:35] <Dvyjones>	anybody?
[13:33:02] <CIA-50>	03mfarag * r33882 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Update file
[13:41:38] <Dvyjones>	anyone?
[13:43:08] <svip>	What top?
[13:45:35] <Werdna>	hii
[13:49:58] <R-mus>	Dvyjones: what top :D
[13:50:24] <R-mus>	you mean like
[13:50:26] <R-mus>	cell 1
[13:50:28] <R-mus>	cell 2
[13:50:29] <R-mus>	cell 3
[13:50:33] <svip>	Ugh, now the word top have gotten me to think about female clothing.
[13:50:38] <R-mus>	and not cell 1 cell 2 cell 3?
[13:50:54] <R-mus>	svip: what a problem :D
[13:51:43] <R-mus>	a friend of mine always name his variables after sexy stuff like female underwears
[13:51:52] <svip>	:O
[13:52:28] <R-mus>	pantys=1; hot_pantys=2; superhot_pantys=3;
[13:52:49] <R-mus>	after a while it gets hard, so he reuse them, but in other scopes
[13:52:59] <R-mus>	makes the code a freaking mess to read
[13:53:16] <svip>	lol
[13:53:29] <svip>	Also, I think it is spelt "panties".
[13:53:47] <svip>	And according to Ken Keeler "underpants" are 40% funnier than "underwear".
[13:53:48] <R-mus>	good, then he got more var-names now
[13:56:04] <R-mus>	time to go home for the weekend
[13:56:06] <R-mus>	cya
[13:56:55] <svip>	Sweden, huh.
[13:57:00] <svip>	Sounds familiar.
[14:15:41] <axelor>	hey, can anyone tells me where to find ExtensionFunctions.php??
[14:15:56] <axelor>	Warning: require(/var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/LuceneSearch/ExtensionFunctions.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch.php on line 81
[14:15:56] <axelor>	Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/LuceneSearch/ExtensionFunctions.php' (include_path='/var/www/mediawiki-axelor:/var/www/mediawiki-axelor/includes:/var/www/mediawiki-axelor/languages:.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch.php on line 81
[14:16:09] <axelor>	i have this error trying to install LuceneSearch
[14:16:27] <axelor>	and can't find it in the extensions directory
[14:17:41] <axelor>	please :)
[14:17:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	axelor: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ExtensionFunctions.php?view=log
[14:22:33] <axelor>	ok thanks Jack_Phoenix :)
[14:23:07] <axelor>	mmh when doing a search, i get this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfLoadExtensionMessages() in /var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch_body.php on line 85
[14:24:51] <axelor>	don't worry everything is fine :)
[14:25:16] <axelor>	mmh actually nope
[14:25:20] <axelor>	:s
[14:26:51] <axelor>	should i use MWSearch or LuceneSearch? in OBSELETE file there is: Replaced by extension MWSearch 
[14:27:48] <rainman-sr>	yeah, juse mwsearch
[14:27:55] <rainman-sr>	s/juse/use
[14:28:26] <axelor>	ok :)
[14:29:03] <rainman-sr>	oh wait
[14:29:10] <rainman-sr>	you're missing extensionfunction
[14:29:21] <rainman-sr>	it's in svn
[14:30:13] <axelor>	no it's ok now, when i had done the svn before, it was in a seperate folder ;)
[14:30:52] <axelor>	MWsearch = lucenesearch?? it is just a changing of name?
[14:31:07] <svip>	Anyone can help me with this error?
[14:31:13] <svip>	"Invalid call hook streamline"
[14:31:23] <svip>	I am trying to create an extension by the way.
[14:31:31] <svip>	Line in question;
[14:31:31] <svip>	$GLOBALS['wgParser']->setHook('streamline', $stlObj->StreamlineTag);
[14:31:53] <rainman-sr>	axelor, just a different frontend, mwsearch uses mediawiki built-in specialsearch which is actively maintained
[14:32:32] <anderssl>	Hey everyone, I just tried to install mediaWiki 1.12. I got through the config script and everything seemed to go fine, but when I try to go to the main page of the fresh wiki, I get the following error: "Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /usr/home/inventio/www/lovlie/locatext/no/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566". Does anyone know what this means?
[14:32:46] <ialex>	!DOMDocument | anderssl
[14:32:46] --mwbot--	anderssl: If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgParserConf> for details)
[14:32:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit conflict expands edit box to entire article - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4745  +comment (10gtisza)
[14:32:57] <rainman-sr>	anderssl, if you're using fedora you need an extra package
[14:33:51] <ialex>	svip: try $GLOBALS['wgParser']->setHook('streamline', array( $stlObj, 'StreamlineTag' ) );
[14:34:21] <svip>	I'll try...
[14:34:33] <anderssl>	Hm, I thought we had the PhP xml module - I'm running another wiki on 1.11 on the same server, same account, and everything works fine there. Is there something new in 1.12 which causes the problem?
[14:34:45] <ialex>	yes
[14:34:56] <anderssl>	I don't know if we're using fedora, how do I find out?
[14:35:52] <svip>	Ah, that worked, ialex.
[14:37:59] <CIA-50>	03mfarag * r33883 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAr.php MessagesArz.php): Update namespaceAliases
[14:39:27] <Simetrical>	anderssl, if you have root access, try yum install php-xml.  Otherwise set the $wgParserConf variable as indicated.
[14:39:29] <anderssl>	I just checked, and we do have XML support - and the mw config script recognizes it. Why does the new parser not work - is it a bug?
[14:39:51] <Simetrical>	If you have the right module installed, DOMDocument will be provided.
[14:39:59] <Simetrical>	If you just installed the module, you have to restart your webserver.
[14:40:02] <Werdna>	hi Simetrical 
[14:40:22] <anderssl>	No, I didn't just install... and I don't have root access, it's an external host
[14:40:30] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[14:41:19] <Simetrical>	anderssl, if you don't have root access, you have to set the $wgParserConf variable if you're getting an error message about DOMDocument not being present.
[14:41:39] <Simetrical>	Sorry for the confusion, BTW, we foolishly believed the PHP docs when they claimed that the DOM module was a part of the core software.  :)
[14:41:51] <Simetrical>	Probably in the next version this will all somehow be handled automagically.
[14:42:47] <ialex>	hey Jack_Phoenix :)
[14:42:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[14:42:57] <rainman-sr>	ain
[14:44:00] *rainman-sr 	wonders if anyone still remembers ain compression software
[14:47:26] <anderssl>	Ok, I set the $wgParserConf like you said, and it seems to be working fine. Thanks a lot, sorry for being thick-headed...
[14:48:08] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r33884 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.i18n.php: Added right-configure and right-configure-all messages
[14:51:47] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: lots of things are slow
[14:52:10] <nitr8>	hello folks
[14:52:55] <nitr8>	im having some issues with ldap, as mediawiki removes underscore's from namespace
[14:53:20] <nitr8>	anyone know how to put not to strip the underscore?
[14:53:53] <nitr8>	i have surched my ass off looking for str_replace('_',' '
[14:54:10] <nitr8>	but i dont know if im farting against thunder
[14:54:41] <nitr8>	anyone have any suggestions?
[15:01:35] <nitr8>	no one?
[15:01:52] <bango>	does anyone know a extension for having a print version on mediawiki articles, so that can print them out with an printer?
[15:05:12] <Werdna>	you don't need a print version
[15:05:30] <Werdna>	we've set up our stylesheets so that if you print it using a modern browser, it will be in an appropriate format
[15:06:17] <faceface>	nitr8: did you check the FAQ?
[15:08:02] <axelor>	anyone can help me please?
[15:08:14] <nitr8>	faceface: sure im blue in the face
[15:08:16] <axelor>	i get this error when installing fck editor: Warning: require_once(/var/www/mediawiki-axelor/includes/ParserOptions.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/FCKeditor/FCKeditor.php on line 29
[15:08:27] <axelor>	and can't find ParserOptions.php :/
[15:08:44] <Werdna>	axelor: are you using the FCKeditor on svn?
[15:09:56] <nitr8>	faceface: just finished indexing the source cant find it there too :<
[15:10:03] <axelor>	i guess :/
[15:10:34] <Werdna>	axelor: don't. that one'sout of date
[15:10:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{REVISIONUSER}} to print name of editor of current revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10336  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:10:39] <Werdna>	there's one by wikia hanging around.
[15:11:30] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:11:42] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: and we try to avoid them
[15:11:52] <Werdna>	hi siebrand2 
[15:12:32] <axelor>	nitr8 should i use this one?
[15:12:33] <axelor>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/
[15:17:58] <Wiredtape>	gm all
[15:18:18] <ialex>	hello Wiredtape
[15:18:30] <Wiredtape>	hey ialex .. 
[15:20:13] <nitr8>	axelor: use which one?
[15:21:39] <axelor>	svn co http://192.168.1.2:223/starpack/trunk/starpack
[15:21:43] <axelor>	sorry
[15:21:50] <axelor>	svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/
[15:22:13] <axelor>	if I use this one i get the last version of extensions for mediawiki?
[15:22:21] <axelor>	or is it another repository?
[15:22:29] <Wiredtape>	axelor, yes
[15:22:33] <axelor>	thanks :)
[15:22:42] <CIA-50>	03minuteelectron * r33885 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/ (Babel.php LanguageCodes.php): 
[15:22:42] <CIA-50>	WARNING LARGE COMMIT.
[15:22:42] <CIA-50>	* ISO 639-1 language codes replaced with ISO 639-1 to ISO 639-3 associations.
[15:22:42] <CIA-50>	* ISO 639-3 language codes replaced with ISO 639-3 to ISO 639-1 associations.
[15:22:42] <CIA-50>	* Language code check function uses keys instead of values to check code.
[15:22:50] <Wiredtape>	most extensions are there, some are not though
[15:23:06] <Werdna>	the current version of FCKeditor isn't there
[15:23:20] <axelor>	Wiredtape:
[15:23:21] <axelor>	# svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/
[15:23:21] <axelor>	svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions'
[15:23:21] <axelor>	svn: PROPFIND of '/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions': 301 Moved (http://svn.wikimedia.org)
[15:23:32] <MinuteElectron>	svnroot not viewvc
[15:23:42] <axelor>	ok thanks ;)
[15:26:12] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r33886 10/trunk/phase3/UPGRADE: Update URL
[15:26:45] <nitr8>	$this->printDebug( "Entering validDomain", NONSENSITIVE );
[15:26:46] <axelor>	ok done
[15:26:52] <axelor>	thanks
[15:26:58] <axelor>	but still have the same problem
[15:27:35] <axelor>	which is:
[15:27:36] <axelor>	<axelor> i get this error when installing fck editor: Warning: require_once(/var/www/mediawiki-axelor/includes/ParserOptions.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/mediawiki-axelor/extensions/FCKeditor/FCKeditor.php on line 29
[15:27:36] <axelor>	<axelor> and can't find ParserOptions.php :/
[15:28:39] <ialex>	that file should exist
[15:28:48] <axelor>	thats weird
[15:28:52] <axelor>	i have parser.php
[15:29:12] <axelor>	and ParserCache.php
[15:29:15] <axelor>	nothing else
[15:29:24] <axelor>	in the include/
[15:33:26] <axelor>	anyone can tell me what should i do? :(
[15:33:26] <Wiredtape>	axelor, i've never heard of parseroptions, it might be something that comes with FCKeditor, either way, I'm not too familiar with FCKEditor+mediawiki as a whole.. 
[15:33:42] <axelor>	mmh ok Wiredtape
[15:33:56] <axelor>	is there another wysiwyg editor for mediawiki?
[15:34:10] <Simetrical>	axelor, if you only have two files in mediawiki-axelor/includes/, your install is completely broken.
[15:34:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[15:34:13] <Simetrical>	There should be dozens.
[15:34:21] <Wiredtape>	i've *heard* that fckeditor is the best implementation.. 
[15:34:26] <nitr8>	can anyone help me with  "return str_replace(' ','_',$username->" ?
[15:34:31] <White_Cat>	Laaags!
[15:34:43] <Wiredtape>	yet, note that fckeditor works with a certain ver of mediawiki and not the latest.
[15:34:45] <nitr8>	in LdapAuthentication.php
[15:34:53] <axelor>	Simetrical no no i was just listing the files with "parser" in their names
[15:34:57] <nitr8>	fckeditor sucks!
[15:34:58] <Simetrical>	Ah.
[15:35:00] <Simetrical>	What version?
[15:35:08] <Wiredtape>	nitr8, what's the question?
[15:35:13] <axelor>	i have 1.9.1 and should work
[15:35:35] <Simetrical>	I have Parser, ParserCache, Parser_DiffTest, Parser_OldPP, ParserOptions, ParserOutput in (more-or-less) latest trunk.
[15:35:40] <nitr8>	Wiredtape: i want to replace spaces with underscores in LdapAuthentication.php
[15:35:53] <Simetrical>	More than a couple of those were only added for 1.12.
[15:36:02] <Simetrical>	Not sure which ones.
[15:36:27] <ialex>	 Parser_DiffTest and Parser_OldPP
[15:36:40] <axelor>	nitr8 i know but do you know any alternative?
[15:36:59] <nitr8>	axelor the normal editor is fine
[15:37:10] <axelor>	Simetrical in the /includes dir?
[15:37:16] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: how about the 'allow slow magic words' thingie?
[15:37:38] <faceface>	you could have {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} but only if that variable was set
[15:37:54] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowSlowParserFunctions
[15:37:56] <axelor>	nitr8 i was expecting this answer :)  but that is not for me, but other people who gonna use the wiki too
[15:38:06] <Simetrical>	axelor, yes, but you shouldn't have that many if you're running 1.11 or earlier.
[15:38:11] <Wiredtape>	nitr8, pastey the script the ldapauthentication.php part you want to do .. because the small excerpt looks fine.. 
[15:38:25] <axelor>	Simetrical which version u running?
[15:38:26] <faceface>	I vote that the variable in question be renamed '$relax_dude_were_not_all_wikipedia_you_know'
[15:38:28] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: slow is slow even if it is behind configuration variable :o
[15:38:31] <Simetrical>	axelor, trunk, 1.13alpha.
[15:38:33] <jldupont>	Hi guys - quick question:  what hook is available to customize the URL links on a page?  I have tried 'GetLinkColours' but it does not seem to be called except for the links in the "Template" namespace.
[15:38:47] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: its not that slow, and it means that people are aware that it may be slow
[15:38:54] <axelor>	Simetrical but i need a stable version. i saw that 1.11 was pre1.11
[15:38:55] <faceface>	(puttin it behind a config that is)
[15:39:02] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} is no slower than the other limited parser-functions we're doing.  One const query per invocation.
[15:39:02] <Nikerabbit>	people have no idea what is slow and what is not :o
[15:39:19] <Simetrical>	axelor, what?  1.11 was pre-1.11?
[15:39:20] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: taking to you I get that impression ... ;-)
[15:39:24] <faceface>	only joking
[15:39:33] <Simetrical>	axelor, no, you shouldn't be running on 1.13alpha unless you're a developer or like living on the edge, definitely not.
[15:39:37] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : im thinking of doing it in the "Munged username"
[15:39:46] <faceface>	so why have $wgAllowSlowParserFunctions at all? is it just a ... mistake?
[15:39:49] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: yeah I'm just advocating here too
[15:39:53] <faceface>	;-)
[15:39:54] <nitr8>	                if ( $username != '' ) {
[15:39:55] <nitr8>	                        $this->printDebug( "Username isn't empty.", NONSENSITIVE );
[15:39:55] <nitr8>	                        //We want to use the username returned by LDAP
[15:39:55] <nitr8>	                        //if it exists
[15:39:55] <nitr8>	                        if ( $this->LDAPUsername != '' ) {
[15:39:55] <nitr8>	                                $this->printDebug( "Using LDAPUsername.", NONSENSITIVE );
[15:39:57] <nitr8>	                                $username = $this->LDAPUsername;
[15:39:59] <nitr8>	                        }
[15:40:01] <nitr8>	                        if ( isset($_SESSION['wsDomain']) && 'local' != $_SESSION['wsDomain']) {
[15:40:03] <nitr8>	                                //Change username to lowercase so that multiple user accounts
[15:40:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	umm
[15:40:05] <nitr8>	                                //won't be created for the same user.
[15:40:07] <faceface>	nitr8: please don't do htat
[15:40:07] <nitr8>	                                //But don't do it for the local domain!
[15:40:07] <Jack_Phoenix>	"Don't paste text to the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste/ " -topic
[15:40:09] <nitr8>	                                $username = strtolower( $username );
[15:40:11] <nitr8>	                        }
[15:40:13] <nitr8>	                        //The wiki considers an all lowercase name to be invalid; need to
[15:40:15] <nitr8>	                        //uppercase the first letter
[15:40:17] <nitr8>	                        $username[0] = strtoupper( $username[0] );
[15:40:19] <nitr8>	                }
[15:40:23] <nitr8>	haha
[15:40:24] *faceface 	wonders
[15:40:32] <Werdna>	nitr8: don't do that.
[15:40:36] <nitr8>	FFS
[15:40:40] <Werdna>	nitr8: pastebin.ca, please.
[15:40:40] <nitr8>	ive been told
[15:40:48] <faceface>	nitr8!
[15:40:49] <Werdna>	or wherever.
[15:41:09] <nitr8>	sorry
[15:41:15] <nitr8>	i was asked to past so i did
[15:41:24] <nitr8>	and i said sorry :)
[15:41:26] <Wiredtape>	nitr8, note that i wrote "pastey" :)
[15:41:32] <nitr8>	yep
[15:41:34] <Wiredtape>	as in.. pastey.com or similar
[15:42:06] <axelor>	Simetrical forget about this. i'm going to check the last version
[15:42:12] <nitr8>	Wiredtape: you want the whole script or just the minging function ?
[15:42:34] <Wiredtape>	the function
[15:43:04] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : http://rafb.net/p/1hs94E72.html
[15:44:10] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : would like to do a str_replace(' ','_' on $username
[15:44:22] <jldupont>	Hi guys - quick question:  what hook is available to customize the URL links on a page?  I have tried 'GetLinkColours' but it does not seem to be called except for the links in the "Template" namespace.
[15:44:51] <Wiredtape>	nitr8, that's exactly what you should do.. preferably right after the uppercasing of the first letter.. 
[15:45:13] <ialex>	jldupont: you want to modifiy links attribs or the url ?
[15:45:28] <jldupont>	ialex: attributes
[15:45:37] <jldupont>	e.g. class
[15:46:08] <axelor>	Wiredtape:
[15:46:09] <axelor>	MediaWiki 1.9.1 Updater
[15:46:09] <axelor>	No superuser credentials could be found. Please provide the details
[15:46:09] <axelor>	of a user with appropriate permissions to update the database. See
[15:46:09] <axelor>	AdminSettings.sample for more details.
[15:46:30] <axelor>	and the command before was: /var/www/mediawiki-axelor/maintenance# php update.php
[15:46:43] <faceface>	is {{PAGESINNAMESPACE}} a 'parser function' or a 'magic word' ?
[15:46:48] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : str_replace('_',' ',$username);
[15:46:57] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : is that right?
[15:47:19] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : well swap the _ and space
[15:47:23] <Wiredtape>	axelor, create AdminSettings.php with almost same stuff as in .sample and add your superuser/dbuser info
[15:48:30] <ialex>	jldupont: it should called for all links that are in wikitext
[15:48:48] <ialex>	+be
[15:49:00] <CIA-50>	03minuteelectron * r33887 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/Babel.php: 
[15:49:00] <CIA-50>	* Remove some unused globals.
[15:49:00] <CIA-50>	* Add two new configuration settings regarding categories,
[15:49:00] <CIA-50>	 $wgBabelUseLevelZeroCategory and $wgBabelUseSimpleCategories.
[15:49:00] <CIA-50>	* Move categories out of wikitext so they can be added conditionally.
[15:49:01] <CIA-50>	* Normalise whitespace.
[15:49:03] <jldupont>	ialex: I have looked a code and that was my assumption too... until I tried it...
[15:49:05] <CIA-50>	* Set version to 0.5 to indicate that this extension is still under development.
[15:49:23] <Wiredtape>	nitr8, yes..
[15:49:36] <faceface>	{{NUMBEROFVIEWS}} vote now!
[15:49:40] <faceface>	thanks for help
[15:49:47] <jldupont>	ialex:  I'll do another test.
[15:49:48] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : dont work
[15:49:59] <Wiredtape>	*rafb* the code
[15:50:16] <nitr8>	rafb ?
[15:51:14] <Wiredtape>	where you pasted earlier..
[15:51:18] <nitr8>	http://rafb.net/p/y12nPu88.html
[15:51:20] <nitr8>	:>
[15:51:24] <nitr8>	just figured :)
[15:51:26] <nitr8>	soz
[15:52:34] <Techdeck->	did anyone ever install the whole wiki DB on his own mediawiki?
[15:52:39] <Wiredtape>	nitr8: http://rafb.net/p/C98od331.html
[15:53:01] <ialex>	jldupont: for me it seems to work
[15:53:29] <jldupont>	ialex: I must have broken something...
[15:56:50] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : getting closer 
[15:56:55] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : $username =  str_replace(' ','_',$username);
[15:57:13] <nitr8>	munges it to Name_Surname but something else needs doing let me check
[15:57:14] <nitr8>	thanks
[15:57:26] <Wiredtape>	np
[16:02:09] <nitr8>	Wiredtape : thanks dude put it in the "function getSearchString( $ldapconn, $username )"
[16:02:13] <nitr8>	now it works pukka
[16:02:37] <Wiredtape>	gr8 :)
[16:06:28] <lambda_>	hi all, right now I am facing to the strange problem with mediawiki, on page 'recent changes' are not displayed all changes, better to say modification done by one of the registrated users are missing
[16:06:43] <lambda_>	compare http://gama.fsv.cvut.cz/wiki/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Recentchanges&limit=500 and
[16:06:59] <lambda_>	http://gama.fsv.cvut.cz/wiki/index.php?title=SQLtutor_-_instalace&action=history
[16:07:25] <lambda_>	no off modification done by user 'Cepek' are displayed in 'recent changes'
[16:07:59] <ialex>	http://gama.fsv.cvut.cz/wiki/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Listusers/bot
[16:08:03] <Techdeck->	did anyone ever install the whole wiki DB on his own mediawiki?
[16:08:26] <lambda_>	sorry, wiki is in czech, I have tried to google a bit, no success, this problem appeared recently (running last stable mediawiki+mysql)
[16:08:29] <ialex>	lambda_: he don't appear because he has bot status
[16:08:47] <ialex>	see http://gama.fsv.cvut.cz/wiki/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&limit=500
[16:10:49] <lambda_>	ialex: thanks, I should take a look at bot status and study mediawiki a bit more:-), thanks again!
[16:13:07] <Techdeck->	no one?
[16:15:03] <Techdeck->	when you run a query in mediawiki, what is the class you use for it?
[16:15:06] <Techdeck->	inside Database.php
[16:15:30] <Simetrical>	Techdeck-, the exact class depends on which database engine you're using.
[16:15:35] <Simetrical>	They all extend the Database class.
[16:15:40] <Techdeck->	I use mysql with InnoDB
[16:15:43] <Simetrical>	Database objects are normally obtained with wfGetDB().
[16:15:49] <Techdeck->	I want to somehow echo the query it does
[16:15:52] <Simetrical>	Then it will be DatabaseMySQL, which extends Database.
[16:15:56] <Techdeck->	so I'll know why the hell it can't find an article
[16:15:59] <Techdeck->	that should be in the DB
[16:16:04] <Simetrical>	Ah, edit DatabaseMySQL::query, then.
[16:16:08] <Techdeck->	thanks
[16:16:10] <Simetrical>	I do that all the time.  :)
[16:19:33] <Techdeck->	I'm having a weird character set problem, I think
[16:22:30] <Techdeck->	mysql> SELECT page_id,page_namespace,page_title,page_restrictions,page_counter,page_is_redirect,page_is_new,page_random,page_touched,page_latest,page_len FROM `page` where page_title="Internet";
[16:22:33] <Techdeck->	returns 1 result...
[16:22:38] <Techdeck->	The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Internet". 
[16:22:40] <Techdeck->	and I still get this
[16:22:42] <Techdeck->	any pointers?
[16:24:53] <zocky_>	can I make api.php return links from pages starting with one prefix and pointing to pages with another prefix?
[16:26:26] <CIA-50>	03nikerabbit * r33888 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPnt.php: * Date formats for Pontic (pnt)
[16:27:20] <ialex>	hey brion
[16:27:45] <Suisuisui>	Techdeck: you mean you seek page text?
[16:29:19] <Werdna>	hey brion 
[16:29:48] <Werdna>	brion: I don't think you have quite enough code review to do, so I went ahead and wrote global groups
[16:31:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	brion: also, want to create a few new svn accounts? ;-)
[16:31:51] <brion>	hey kids
[16:34:13] <brion>	you'd think thunderbird's bayesian spam filter would figure out that when the first 500 "shoot your load further" mails were marked as spam, the rest can be too
[16:34:17] <brion>	jeez
[16:34:57] <Werdna>	brion: anyway, I have a patch sitting on bug 13773.
[16:35:05] <Werdna>	and i tried to post to mailing list about it, but it's down :(
[16:35:50] <brion>	hrm
[16:36:40] <brion>	down how?
[16:36:59] <brion>	i'm seeing mails from this morning
[16:36:59] <Werdna>	brion: sent an email, hasn't appeared on the archives, nor has anyone received it
[16:37:10] <brion>	when?
[16:37:34] <Werdna>	erm, let me se
[16:37:53] <Simetrical>	Werdna, are you sure you sent it from the right e-mail address?
[16:38:31] <Werdna>	yes
[16:38:33] <Werdna>	sent 10 hours ago
[16:38:40] <Werdna>	flyingparchment said something was wrong with them at the time
[16:40:07] <brion>	https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Server_admin_log <- that?
[16:42:18] <Werdna>	brion: so I should try resending my email?
[16:43:30] <brion>	sure
[16:44:32] <Werdna>	brion: sent
[16:45:01] <Werdna>	patch is on bugzilla, requires schema upgrade, requires some caching too or we'll end up hitting the centralauth db per pageview, twice for global users.
[16:45:12] <Werdna>	that's why I wanted to cache mRights on user object
[16:46:06] <brion>	well, you can't cache mRights reliably
[16:46:08] <brion>	it's not safe
[16:46:25] <brion>	$wgGroupPermissions can change without any general cache invalidation
[16:46:32] <brion>	then you've got people with the wrong perms floating around in the system
[16:47:05] <Werdna>	brion: right, you explained in the commit message
[16:47:12] <Werdna>	so I need to cache inside the centralauth extension
[16:47:23] <brion>	k
[16:48:28] <Werdna>	anyway, I probably can't hang around for lots and lots of code review, as it's 3am and I have an 11.30am driving test
[16:49:23] <Werdna>	but yes, review would be nice. I even threw together a sexy interface for managing user rights, which we can use in core if it works well
[16:54:58] <Techdeck->	Suisuisui, yes
[16:57:35] <Suisuisui>	artile text does not exists in page table
[16:57:58] <Suisuisui>	read comments on tables.sql
[16:58:56] <brion>	go to sleep Werdna :)
[16:58:58] <brion>	i'll take a peek
[16:59:09] <brion>	try not to run anyone over
[16:59:34] <brion>	i'd feel bad with a vehicular manslaughter on my conscious cause you were waiting for me to review code
[16:59:44] <Werdna>	brion: I found one of these silly antivandalism programs
[16:59:54] <Werdna>	you just press space for not vandalism, q for vandalism
[16:59:59] <Werdna>	I'm kinda hooked :)
[17:00:10] <brion>	heh
[17:00:21] <Werdna>	I'm getting 20 reverts per minute
[17:00:47] <Werdna>	oh wait, that's everybody
[17:01:02] <Werdna>	3 reverts perminute for me
[17:01:21] <Werdna>	pretty cool.. it handles reporting to admins, warning, reverting, everything
[17:01:27] <Werdna>	anyway, I'm done for the night
[17:01:29] <Werdna>	3am
[17:01:48] <Werdna>	brion: night.
[17:01:57] <brion>	nini :)
[17:01:59] <Wiredtape_Away>	and what about the rest of us? ;)
[17:03:02] <Suisuisui>	fix bugs and watching IRC ;)
[17:03:15] <Wiredtape_Away>	g'night werdna
[17:07:05] <_wooz>	lo
[17:08:33] <Wiredtape_Away>	hello
[17:10:43] <CIA-50>	03brion * r33890 10/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch.php: 
[17:10:43] <CIA-50>	Copy an optimization from LuceneSearch extension -- use Http::get() (formerly wfGetHttp()) instead of PHP built-in IO to fetch server data.
[17:10:43] <CIA-50>	This will have more controllable timeout characteristics, and should avoid the load spikes we've been seeing around 7:30-8:00 UTC while indexes are being resynced and search performance goes down due to cache churn.
[17:36:28] <Overand>	oh dear
[17:36:52] <Overand>	I just did a mysqldump of my wiki database on an old, unmaintained wiki - 1.6.7
[17:37:04] <Wiredtape>	and?
[17:37:10] <Overand>	115 megs
[17:37:19] <Wiredtape>	:)
[17:37:20] <Overand>	for a wiki with probalby... hmm.  50 pages?
[17:37:27] <Overand>	A *lot* of spam.
[17:37:29] <Overand>	yeek.
[17:37:51] <Overand>	Either way, I need to migrate it off of that server to a new one - not sure what hte best path is.
[17:38:06] <Wiredtape>	the pages?
[17:38:21] <Wiredtape>	if they are only 50 just import/export.. is my suggestion.. 
[17:42:28] <httpete>	hi, what is the navigation extension used on mw.org?
[17:42:32] <httpete>	{{InstallationNav}}
[17:42:33] <httpete>	that one?
[17:43:32] <ialex>	a template
[17:43:37] <httpete>	ah I see. cool.
[17:43:41] <httpete>	sweet. thanks ialex
[17:43:59] <ialex>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:InstallationNav
[17:44:17] <httpete>	very creative. awesome thanks.
[17:46:46] <Wiredtape>	* Wiredtape puts some gravy on ialex and eats him.. 
[17:47:00] <ialex>	:(
[17:47:53] *ialex 	gives "/me" command to Wiredtape
[17:48:24] <ialex>	hello VasilievVV
[17:48:37] *Wiredtape 	thanks ialex for his long lost "me" :)
[17:48:40] <VasilievVV>	hello ialex
[17:49:57] <Gali>	I was unable to find any information about $wgMessageCache.  Do you know where some information could be found?
[17:51:13] <ialex>	Gali: you can see includes/MessageCache.php for the object that is in that variable
[17:51:23] <Gali>	thx ialex.
[17:55:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	hmm... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap should be updated -- ialex, you wanna do that? :-)
[17:56:28] <RickZilla>	Is there a way of listing all pages automatically within a section on one page?  I know there's a special "All Articles" page, but I'd like to be able to embed those directly on my front page.  Thanks a ton for your help. 
[17:57:52] <SeicherlBoB>	hi there! Is there a way to use mediawiki's user table and login for another site too? Or do i have to hack the code myself ;) ?
[17:58:23] <MinuteElectron>	Reedy: {{Special:Allpages}}
[17:59:10] <cirwin>	SeicherlBoB: that would depend on the other site, not mediawiki
[17:59:50] <SeicherlBoB>	cirwin: I know. But is there an easy official way to let other sites use the wikis user managing?
[18:00:01] <MinuteElectron>	"official" no
[18:00:08] <MinuteElectron>	there is a way
[18:00:12] <MinuteElectron>	but it depends on the other site
[18:00:30] <SeicherlBoB>	MinuteElectron: Well, I'm coding the other site. So i want to know what to do.
[18:00:56] <MinuteElectron>	do you have root access to the server?
[18:01:00] <SeicherlBoB>	yep
[18:01:12] <MinuteElectron>	I suggest LDAP then.
[18:01:16] <MinuteElectron>	!ldap | SeicherlBoB 
[18:01:16] --mwbot--	SeicherlBoB: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[18:01:21] <Simetrical>	SeicherlBoB, User.php isn't likely to be very reusable.
[18:01:29] <MinuteElectron>	you could of course tap into the mediawiki database
[18:01:36] <Simetrical>	It tends to make a lot of assumptions about globals being set, etc., much like most of MW code.
[18:02:58] <SeicherlBoB>	Well i could imagine to use the other site depending on the wiki... So the user logs into the wiki and then he can use the other sites feature. All i would need is the username of the logged in user.
[18:03:17] <Simetrical>	SeicherlBoB, you'd probably be best just looking at our user table and cookie format.
[18:03:51] <SeicherlBoB>	Simetrical: so i would need to hack the cookie to get the login state and username?
[18:04:10] <Simetrical>	Er, if you want to use the word "hack" for that, yeah.  :)
[18:04:28] <SeicherlBoB>	Simetrical: "hack" not "crack" ;)
[18:04:55] <SeicherlBoB>	ok... so it is not a session cookie but a client cookie?
[18:05:06] <Reedy>	MinuteElectron, what do i want that for?
[18:05:07] <MinuteElectron>	there are some of both
[18:05:13] <Wiredtape>	Jack_Phoenix, may i pm you?
[18:05:17] <MinuteElectron>	Reedy: pardon?
[18:05:21] <Reedy>	<MinuteElectron> Reedy: {{Special:Allpages}}
[18:05:27] <MinuteElectron>	sorr
[18:05:28] <MinuteElectron>	y
[18:05:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	wiredtape: "don't ask to ask, just ask"...works for this one, too ;-)
[18:05:33] <Reedy>	not for me? Ok :)
[18:05:34] <MinuteElectron>	RickZilla: {{Special:Allpages}}
[18:05:37] <MinuteElectron>	Reedy: :P
[18:05:40] <Reedy>	:P
[18:07:41] <SeicherlBoB>	MinuteElectron: Is this the cookie i'm looking for? name: <dbname+tableprefix>UserName
[18:13:33] <RickZilla>	MinuteElectron:  Thanks tons, I figured it would  be something fairly simple like that
[18:15:57] <SeicherlBoB>	Can i assume that a user is logged in as long as the cookie <wikiprefix>_UserID is set? I guess not cause that would be an easy way to crack any wiki...
[18:16:19] <ialex>	not really
[18:17:16] <ialex>	you can check if $wgUser->isAnon() is false
[18:17:17] *Lady_Aleena 	would like "What links here" to be columnized so more linked articles show up on the first click. She would also like them alphabetized by title or DEFAULTSORT. It would be great.
[18:17:29] <Wiredtape>	since when do user creations appear in recent changes?
[18:17:58] <ialex>	Wiredtape: since there is newuserlog extension
[18:18:20] <Wiredtape>	ialex, ahh.. :)
[18:18:25] <cirwin>	anyone know how i make a null edit to all pages in Mediawiki space
[18:19:42] <Wiredtape>	ialex, and is the new specialpages layout also extension made?
[18:20:26] <ialex>	Wiredtape: it can be modified by extensions, but no one use that
[18:21:20] <Wiredtape>	i'm talking about the layout on mediawiki.org .. was the php itself edited?
[18:21:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use listboxes instead of comboboxes for reason in deletion and protection dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13843 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (semenik)
[18:22:14] <ialex>	Wiredtape: for Special:Specialpages ?
[18:22:42] <Wiredtape>	yup..
[18:23:27] <ialex>	yes
[18:24:20] <Wiredtape>	ialex, i like it :) , any chance it's available somewhere?
[18:24:31] <ialex>	Wiredtape: yes, in 1.13
[18:24:34] <ialex>	;)
[18:25:14] <Wiredtape>	.. :)
[18:39:00] <Wiredtape>	Another "since when" question :) -> since when is there &autoclick=wpSave, &autosummary=... and what other options can you do here?
[18:42:36] <MrZ-man>	autoclick?
[18:42:38] <MrZ-man>	where?
[18:42:59] <SeicherlBoB>	I know that's a crazy question, but when and where does the wiki check if the user is looged in? Or when and where is $wgUser set?
[18:44:09] <Wiredtape>	MrZ-man, example is in "reset the sandbox" on mediawiki.org
[18:44:50] <MrZ-man>	hmm, interesting
[18:44:56] <ialex>	Wiredtape: might be for javascript
[18:45:29] <Wiredtape>	that's what i was thinking.. but it is a nice script (if it is one.. )
[18:46:25] <MrZ-man>	it doesn't seem to work for me...
[18:46:41] <Wiredtape>	i never clicked it.. but just looked at the href
[18:47:16] <MrZ-man>	but I've done things like that for personal JS
[18:50:36] <Wiredtape>	anyone know if vbulletin has an export function for threads?
[18:54:21] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, the only one I'm aware of is just a database dump.
[18:54:29] <Simetrical>	Kind of off-topic here, of course.  :)
[18:54:43] <Wiredtape>	of course :), thanks..
[18:58:17] <SeicherlBoB>	can I assume that the user is logged in if $wgUser->mId is > 0? I know these questions are crazy... sorry.
[19:01:28] <ialex>	SeicherlBoB: there is $wgUser->isLoggedIn() for that ;)
[19:02:12] <SeicherlBoB>	ialex: ok, so wgUser is the actual user object... can you tell me when or where it is set?
[19:03:50] <ialex>	SeicherlBoB: it's set in Setup.php
[19:04:00] <SeicherlBoB>	ialex: thanks
[19:05:50] <Overand>	Wiredtape: will that include edit history?
[19:06:28] <Overand>	There are a fair number of defaced-by-spammers pages, edits that are screwy, etc - history would be very helpfuyl, but I'm wary of moving a 100+megabite database
[19:07:07] *Overand 	is RingTFM
[19:08:17] <Wiredtape>	Overand, iirc history will be included up to 100 rev back.. , if you only have 50 legit content pages, this is the fastest\easiest method i believe..
[19:08:31] <Wiredtape>	or you could just dump db and reload it onto new server
[19:08:40] <Wiredtape>	but that will include the spam..
[19:08:47] <sputnick>	hi$
[19:08:48] <Overand>	yeah
[19:09:01] <Overand>	one of my big concerns is that i'm running a pretty old rev
[19:09:11] <Overand>	should i upgradfe the old server in-place, and then move the data?
[19:09:29] <Wiredtape>	explain, "in-place".. 
[19:09:32] <sputnick>	wtf ! to install <math> features "apt-get install mediawiki-math" is =~ 600MO & tex is 100MO ! oO
[19:09:42] <Overand>	for an idea of how unmaintained the old server is- it's a linux box, 2.4.25 kernel - heh
[19:09:45] <Overand>	Debian Sarge
[19:10:03] <Overand>	Wiredtape: i.e. the mediawiki i want to move is 1.6.7
[19:10:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	heh, that's quite old :)
[19:10:47] <Overand>	I don't know if the database schema has changed - and I don't know that I've *ever* done a mediaiki upgrade, though I'm pretty sure I can handle it, I don't know if it requires a database-schema update etc
[19:10:49] <Gali>	i am curious how mediawiki handles articles, where they start to exist in database, and so on and  more.. there is no complex explanation for this all? (withour reading source code :) )
[19:11:05] <Wiredtape>	overand, i understand, but we're talking about content here and not the software... so my suggestion is upgrade to latest stable ver on new server and then export/import from old to new..
[19:11:14] <Overand>	Wiredtape: makes sense.
[19:11:31] <Wiredtape>	the export/import won't require you to know the schema changes, and yes there were a bunch
[19:12:11] <Wiredtape>	Gali, a rather simple explanation.. you press save, an "article" starts to exist
[19:13:00] <Overand>	Wiredtape: there's a global export, right? I'm not going to have to do each article
[19:13:03] <Overand>	hmm
[19:13:37] <SeicherlBoB>	ialex: sorry, at the end of Setup.php wgUser is still empty (well, it is the stub-user which is actually not useful).
[19:13:42] <Wiredtape>	overand, as long as you have a list of the articles like: [[bla]] /n (new line) [[bla2]] and so on..
[19:14:14] <Overand>	hmm
[19:14:17] <ialex>	SeicherlBoB: it will automatically become a User object when you call a method of that object
[19:15:04] <Overand>	huh.  apparently my users were more prolific than I thought.
[19:16:43] <Overand>	Maybe I should actually run the updates and move the entire database - it looks like 
[19:16:59] <Overand>	what the..."2258 total pages"  "341 that are probably legitimate  content"
[19:17:11] <Overand>	wow.  117 registered users
[19:17:13] <Overand>	this thing is a mess
[19:17:48] <Wiredtape>	overand, don't trust the "legitimate content" count, it's really not accurate in my experience
[19:18:05] <Overand>	I *know* I don't have legit 117 users.
[19:18:12] <Wiredtape>	you could also do it your way :)
[19:18:19] <Overand>	I'm really not sure what the best bet is.
[19:18:25] <Overand>	I'm just not looking forward to compiling a page list
[19:18:30] <Wiredtape>	a user is a user, software wise that is
[19:18:38] <Overand>	hence 'legit' users (;
[19:18:49] <Overand>	i'm guessing that of those 117, about 95 are spammers
[19:19:02] <CIA-50>	03vasilievvv * r33891 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialListusers.php: Tweak Special:Listusers for CentralAuth
[19:19:18] <Overand>	well - if I move this thing over, I can lock down signup and slowly delete users.
[19:19:24] <Overand>	i just need to get it off of the old erver
[19:19:38] <Overand>	as that's the last thing I need to move, and it's costing me $200 USD a month, heh
[19:19:48] <rjune_>	I'm trying to setup shortURL, I have wgScriptpath set to /mediawiki, and wgArticlePath set to /wiki/$1, and I've aliased /wiki to /path/to/mediawiki/index.php/
[19:20:01] <Wiredtape>	why's it costing you so much?
[19:20:12] <rjune_>	when I load the page, however, It tries to load CSS from /wiki/foo
[19:20:42] <rjune_>	*sigh, nevermind, I found it.
[19:20:51] <Wiredtape>	rjune_ make another set of rewrite rules for /images, /skins, and /extensions
[19:20:58] <Overand>	Wiredtape: it's an expensiev lease/colo that i'm shutting down
[19:21:16] <Overand>	I've moved *everything* off of the server except the mediawiki
[19:21:29] <Wiredtape>	it's a wonder how they can charge 200$ for that old machine.. :)
[19:21:32] <Overand>	yeah
[19:21:36] <Overand>	P4 2.8, 8 gig drive
[19:21:37] <Wiredtape>	or maybe it's a new machine?
[19:21:38] <Overand>	...80
[19:21:47] <Overand>	There's a reason I'm tossing it (;
[19:22:01] <Wiredtape>	good luck :)
[19:22:13] <Overand>	I'm colocating an Athlon X2 4200, 2 gigs of ram, hardware SATA raid ith a p air of 250s for *free*
[19:22:23] <Overand>	it's nothing amazing, but it's been very happy, very stable
[19:22:34] <Overand>	and beats the snot out of that old P4
[19:22:36] <rjune_>	Wiredtape: it's my docroot
[19:22:39] <Overand>	And the price is right (;
[19:23:00] <Wiredtape>	overand, where'd you get *THAT* deal? :) can i be in on it too? :)
[19:23:14] <Wiredtape>	rjune_, what's your docroot, i don't get it.. ?
[19:23:34] <Overand>	Wiredtape: I run the datacenter, heh.
[19:23:55] <Overand>	('help run' really)
[19:24:18] <Wiredtape>	who's datacenter, if u may say :)
[19:24:31] <Overand>	Wiredtape: a very smal one
[19:24:48] <Overand>	50 megabits
[19:24:59] <Gali>	one more question i have,  where can i find how mediawiki handles images ?
[19:25:01] <Wiredtape>	ahh.. 
[19:25:14] <Overand>	not that i'm complaining about 50megabits, heh.
[19:25:27] <Overand>	usually we're moving about 20megabits in and out - leaves plenty of room for me
[19:25:35] <Wiredtape>	Gali, well.. here you need to be more precise, handles images in what way? thumbnails? storage? displaying?
[19:25:47] <Wiredtape>	overand, that's a sweet life you got there :)
[19:26:13] <SeicherlBoB>	ialex: so when i can call egUser->LoggedIn() at any time after Setup.php is run to check if the user is logged in or not?
[19:26:39] <Overand>	Wiredtape: how about my commute is 'walk across a small parking lot'
[19:26:53] <Overand>	I was using *wifi* to get internet access from home - and it puts me on the same LAN segment as my server, heh
[19:26:58] <Overand>	no need for a VPN tunne!
[19:26:58] <Wiredtape>	SeicherlBoB, yes, what are you trying to do?
[19:26:59] <ialex>	SeicherlBoB: yes
[19:26:59] <Wiredtape>	Jack_Phoenix, welcome back
[19:27:02] <Overand>	(though i'm changing that)
[19:27:04] <Jack_Phoenix>	thanks Wiredtape :-)
[19:27:18] *ialex 	waves to Jack_Phoenix :)
[19:27:30] <Wiredtape>	Overand, :)
[19:27:57] <SeicherlBoB>	Wiredtape, ialex: I try to use the loggin state of the wiki for a small tool on the same host.
[19:27:58] *Wiredtape 	thinks food is just the best thing there is :)
[19:28:09] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves back to ialex :-D
[19:28:44] <Wiredtape>	SeicherlBoB, so you want to verify that someone is logged into the wiki when they use the tool? Use the cookie!
[19:29:03] <Wiredtape>	and not the $wgUser function..
[19:29:36] <SeicherlBoB>	Wiredtape: well, but the cookie only has the name and the ID... that can be hacked easily.
[19:30:46] <Wiredtape>	SeicherlBoB, right, but i see no way for you to verify that someone is logged in otherwise, unless your tool is within the mediawiki hub (extension, hook or something else)
[19:30:48] <Gali>	Wiredtape: all ways you mentioned :).. i want to have idea how can i work with images with my extension.
[19:31:32] <Wiredtape>	Gali, that's a rather complicated answer.. and unfortunately not a lot of documentation.. my suggestion is look at source code and different image manipulating extensions..
[19:32:11] <Wiredtape>	images that are uploaded to the wiki are usually stored in /images, and then sub directories of /first hash char/first two has chars/
[19:32:17] <Wiredtape>	this can be changed
[19:32:37] <Gali>	well, thx for you help, i will do as you said.
[19:32:43] <Wiredtape>	and using them in wikitext can be learned in the help articles of wikipedia/mediawiki and metawiki
[19:32:49] <Wiredtape>	Gali, np
[19:33:15] <SeicherlBoB>	Wiredtape: well, the tool is only one php site with 2 actions (add an entry, show stats). Is it easier to integrate it as a hook or something?
[19:33:21] <rjune_>	Wiredtape: apparently irrelevant, it was being cached.
[19:33:40] <Wiredtape>	rjune_, k.. :)
[19:33:48] <rjune_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL <-- I followed that howto
[19:33:59] <Wiredtape>	SeicherlBoB, i believe much easier.. 
[19:34:02] <rjune_>	http://wiki.imagestream.com/wiki/Main_Page <-- that's what I get
[19:34:15] <rjune_>	My understanding is that CSS should be pulled from /mediawiki, not from /wiki
[19:35:02] <Wiredtape>	rjune_, hence i said: add a few rewrite rules for /wiki/skins/, /wiki/images/, and /wiki/extensions/ 
[19:35:06] <Wiredtape>	and you will be set
[19:35:26] <rjune_>	yeah, I understand that. I'm confused though as the docs don't reference having to do that.
[19:36:08] <Wiredtape>	SeicherlBoB, specifically it would be easier to do it as an extension.. 
[19:36:26] <Wiredtape>	rjune_, well, i have nothing to say as to the fact that they don't reference it.. :)
[19:36:58] <rjune_>	heh
[19:37:11] <Wiredtape>	my motto is: if it works, it works.
[19:37:30] <SeicherlBoB>	Wiredtape: ok, i'll work on that. It's been a while since i did my last hook (in MW 1.6). I guess there are tutorials for wiki extensions, right? ;)
[19:37:47] <Wiredtape>	yup
[19:37:49] <Wiredtape>	!extensions
[19:37:49] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[19:37:55] <Wiredtape>	first link
[19:38:02] <sputnick>	I've installed texvc, it's working on command line but not in wiki. anyone have a clue ? 
[19:38:24] <SeicherlBoB>	Wiredtape: ok. Thanks a lot! I gotta go. Bye!
[19:38:31] <Wiredtape>	ciao
[19:39:06] <rjune_>	Wiredtape: Redirect 301 /wiki/skins http://wiki.imagestream.com/mediawiki/skins that looks right, yes?
[19:39:12] <Dvyjones>	When I use images on my mediawiki installation, I get the error "Error creating thumbnail"
[19:39:16] <Dvyjones>	Any idea why?
[19:39:32] <Dvyjones>	http://lslwiki.0fees.net/wiki/Template:Warning and http://lslwiki.0fees.net/wiki/Image:Warning.svg
[19:39:51] <Wiredtape>	rjune_, yes, personally i used rewrite rules, but that should be fine.. 
[19:42:22] <KOJV>	What do I add in config to forbid new user registrations?
[19:42:41] <KOJV>	I'd like to keep the possibility to register users manually though, if that can be done.
[19:44:13] <Wiredtape>	I think the best way would be to create a new user group, and lock the old one.. and have a restriction on sign up for new group.. (though it would take me a while to look this up if it can be done.. )
[19:44:20] <Wiredtape>	if not, it should be rather easy to code..
[19:45:23] <Dvyjones>	anyone?
[19:46:58] <Wiredtape>	Dvyjones, (before i take a look at the url) did you change the path to images?
[19:47:13] <Dvyjones>	hmm
[19:47:18] <Dvyjones>	i'll check
[19:48:43] <Dvyjones>	You mean, move it?
[19:49:18] <Wiredtape>	no, did you set a different default upload path?
[19:49:43] <Dvyjones>	not that I know
[19:50:02] <Dvyjones>	brb
[19:50:36] <Dvyjones>	back
[19:52:17] <GerardM->	I got the text for the ka-1
[19:52:27] <GerardM->	how do I update it for #babel ?
[19:53:06] <Gali>	i have question, i use SkinTemplateContentActions hook like in example =>http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/examples/Content_action.php?logsort=date&revision=28553&view=markup
[19:53:06] <Gali>	but i need to add tab in certain position, not at the end, is any way to do that?
[19:54:25] <Gali>	heh, i got it :).. no response needed...
[19:55:02] <Dvyjones>	Wiredtape: Do you know what is wrong then?
[19:55:07] <Gali>	or not?
[19:55:22] <Gali>	i thought i know ,  there is associative array..
[19:55:34] <Gali>	$content_actions
[19:56:32] <Gali>	but i cannot affect where my tab wil be..
[19:56:40] <Gali>	any suggestions?
[19:58:58] <Gali>	dont you know how SkinTemplate read this array? 
[20:06:03] *ialex 	pokes CIA-50
[20:07:00] *Dvyjones 	pokes Wiredtape
[20:07:15] <Dvyjones>	Sry, but I g2g now, do you know what is wrong?
[20:07:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	is it poking day today? :)
[20:07:30] <Dvyjones>	:P
[20:07:33] <Dvyjones>	I dunno
[20:08:48] *Simetrical 	pokes Jack_Phoenix 
[20:08:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	ow
[20:08:58] <ialex>	Dvyjones: Wiredtape left a few moment ago
[20:09:12] <Dvyjones>	oh
[20:09:14] <Dvyjones>	i see it now :P
[20:09:16] *ialex 	pokes Simetrical ;)
[20:09:34] <Dvyjones>	Anyone who knows though?
[20:09:36] <Gali>	ialex: dont you know how to affect in which order will my custom tab will show?
[20:10:49] <ialex>	Gali: i think tabs are in the same order as the array is set
[20:12:05] <Dvyjones>	Wiredtape!
[20:12:06] <Dvyjones>	:D
[20:12:29] <Dvyjones>	I g2g now, but do you know what was wrong with the images?
[20:12:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cite interfering with other extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13841  summary (10roan.kattouw)
[20:13:37] <Simetrical>	What's this Babel thing everyone is working on?
[20:13:44] <Gali>	ialex:  associative array has order?:)
[20:13:56] <Simetrical>	Gali, in PHP it does.
[20:15:14] <Wiredtape>	Dvyjones, hey, sorry but nope.. 
[20:15:57] <Gali>	Simetrical:thx,  now find out how to reorder this array :)
[20:17:50] <ialex>	Gali: http://rafb.net/p/44HrLY71.html adds a tab after the move one
[20:21:04] <Gali>	thx ialex
[20:28:50] *Wiredtape 	wonders why no one has questions exactly when he is bored... :-\
[20:36:50] <Wiredtape>	hey splarka.. 
[20:36:56] <Splarka>	rar
[20:37:09] *Wiredtape 	rars back at Splarka!
[20:37:14] <Wiredtape>	or maybe..
[20:37:21] *Wiredtape 	extracts Splarka.
[20:37:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	hoi Splarka :-)
[20:37:30] *ialex 	zips Wiredtape
[20:38:13] <Wiredtape>	ialex: :)
[20:39:23] <Splarka>	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rar#thumbs_988439_1_gif  3a
[20:40:00] <Splarka>	or 3-3, or 7-1
[20:40:06] <Splarka>	it can mean anything
[20:40:55] <Dashiva>	It usually means "I'm a silly person who frequents #wikia too much"
[20:41:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	didn't mean that always :)
[20:41:23] *Lady_Aleena 	doesn't like any wiki which is not a Wikimedia wiki.
[20:41:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	ohai Skizzerz
[20:41:46] <Skizzerz>	hai
[20:41:51] <Wiredtape>	Lady_Aleena, that's very offensive to some of us wiki entrepreneur's :)
[20:41:59] <Wiredtape>	hoi Skizzerz
[20:42:08] *Skizzerz 	waves
[20:42:11] <Lady_Aleena>	Sorry, I didn't mean to offend.
[20:42:17] <zocky_>	Is parse() calling unstripGeneral() before doBlockLevels intentional?
[20:42:35] <Splarka>	Dashiva: I used to frequent #wikia, why do you think they all rar :/
[20:42:37] <Wiredtape>	Lady_Aleena, no worries ;)
[20:42:42] *Lady_Aleena 	keeps forgetting that this place is frequented by people using the Wikimedia software elsewhere.
[20:42:49] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: they do >_>
[20:42:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	Spl: they all rar because I...screwed up
[20:42:55] <Skizzerz>	it's quite annoying
[20:42:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	quite badly, to tell the truth :)
[20:43:12] *Lady_Aleena 	is really embarrassed.
[20:43:17] <Wiredtape>	Jack_Phoenix, so you're to blame? :)
[20:43:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	yah, sadly
[20:43:37] <Splarka>	keitei is to blame for rarring me
[20:43:37] <Skizzerz>	nah, it is definately TOR's fault
[20:43:41] <Splarka>	and I am to blame for rarring #wikia
[20:43:54] *Skizzerz 	blames TOR
[20:44:21] <Splarka>	rar is a TTD... texually transmitted disease
[20:44:27] <Wiredtape>	lol
[20:44:38] *Skizzerz 	quotes that as an autoreply whenever 'rar' is said in #wikia now
[20:44:41] <Wiredtape>	one day, there will be a nation based on rar.. :)
[20:45:21] <Dashiva>	And we will declare war on it
[20:45:27] <Dashiva>	It will be a great day for all of mankind
[20:45:57] <Wiredtape>	and we shall celebrate by doing zip.. (aka null)
[20:47:41] <Splarka>	lha lha lha! ... arj, uu have all bin crazy
[20:50:26] <Wiredtape>	hehe
[20:55:38] <KOJV>	Why won't my wglogo show?
[20:56:46] <KOJV>	Does it have to be a certain size?
[20:56:56] <Wiredtape>	kojv, yes, see faq
[20:57:08] <KOJV>	Must it be a certain file type, won't jpeg do?
[20:57:58] <KOJV>	135x77 won't do?
[20:59:20] <MinuteElectron>	I'm developing an extension which will allow users to edit row-based data, but I'm not sure how to lay it out. Does anyone know of a good example row-based UI?
[21:00:06] <Wiredtape>	135X77, should do.. and it can be jpeg if you specify in the $wgLogo.. 
[21:00:08] <KOJV>	Ah. I needed to remove the $Styles-whatnot and put skins/
[21:00:25] <KOJV>	Thanks.
[21:00:46] <RickZilla>	lol@TTD
[21:01:48] <Wiredtape>	cya all
[21:12:24] <KOJV>	On my wiki, how do I create a new article with no capital letter to begin with? I wish to create aragoja, not Aragoja.
[21:13:28] <Skizzerz>	KOJV: not possible, but you may use the {{DISPLAYTITLE}} magic word to force the heading to read 'aragoja' and not 'Aragoja' (just put {{DISPLAYTITLE:aragoja}} in the wiki source of the page - requires version of MediaWiki 1.11+)
[21:13:46] <KOJV>	Thank you very much, Skizzerz!
[21:13:52] <ialex>	or set $wgCapitalLinks to false
[21:14:28] <KOJV>	ialex, that would affect all links, would it not? 
[21:14:37] <ialex>	yes
[21:14:43] <KOJV>	Like kojv will no longer direct to KOJV.
[21:14:51] <ialex>	yeah
[21:15:02] <KOJV>	Okay, I'll go with Skizzerz deal then. But thanks, ialex!
[21:15:10] <Splarka>	well
[21:15:19] <Splarka>	kojv would never direct to KOJV
[21:15:25] <Splarka>	even with $wgCapitalLinks true
[21:15:34] <johnsu01>	so, I'm learning about semantic mediawiki
[21:15:35] <Splarka>	only the first letter is affected, eg [[Foo]] and [[foo]] are the same
[21:15:36] <KOJV>	Splarka, how about Kojv to KOJV then?
[21:15:41] <Splarka>	no
[21:15:46] <johnsu01>	I thought if I added [[has type::email]] to a property, that it should be rendered with a mailto:?
[21:15:47] <Splarka>	kOJV and KOJV
[21:16:06] <KOJV>	Okay, thanks anyhow!
[21:16:10] <johnsu01>	but that doesn't seem to be happening
[21:16:11] <Splarka>	you could make a redirect though, from kojv to KOJV
[21:16:55] <Splarka>	kojv with contents: #REDIRECT [[KOJV]]
[21:17:06] <johnsu01>	ah, no, this is a problem with my form, nm
[21:21:26] <jlerner>	is there some reason $out->getPageTitle() wouldn't work in a function attached to OutputPageBeforeHTML hook?
[21:21:47] <jlerner>	too early?
[21:23:21] <MinuteElectron>	jlerner: What is the error?
[21:23:35] <jlerner>	it just doesn't seem to return anyting
[21:24:10] <MinuteElectron>	well, what it "seams" to not retrun doesn't really help; have yout ried a var_Dump() on it's output?
[21:24:26] <MinuteElectron>	;)
[21:26:28] <guyvdb>	hey brion
[21:26:38] <guyvdb>	I'm one of you're GSoC students
[21:26:54] <guyvdb>	thought we might need to talk :)
[21:30:19] <brion>	hey :D
[21:30:30] <brion>	been one of those busy weeks :D
[21:34:12] <guyvdb>	I gotta run
[21:34:20] <guyvdb>	Be back in an hour
[21:46:42] <MinuteElectron>	What's with people wanting DPL to be included in MediaWiki?
[21:46:54] <MinuteElectron>	I'm pretty sure it's never going to happen.
[21:58:37] <svip>	MinuteElectron, what is DPL?
[22:00:16] <Lady_Aleena>	Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links?
[22:00:57] <svip>	Pages with links?
[22:01:05] <svip>	Huh?
[22:01:27] <svip>	Aren't pages without links considered dead ends?
[22:02:22] <MinuteElectron>	svip: Dynamic page list extension
[22:02:33] <svip>	Hm.
[22:02:36] <svip>	What does it do?
[22:04:47] <Skizzerz>	!dpl | svip
[22:04:47] --mwbot--	svip: The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[22:04:49] <MinuteElectron>	svip: dynamically list pages
[22:05:10] <Skizzerz>	MinuteElectron: the factoid is so much easier :)
[22:05:44] <MinuteElectron>	it is
[22:07:58] <Splarka>	!better | MinuteElectron
[22:07:58] --mwbot--	MinuteElectron: Just face it, I am better at helping people than you
[22:08:29] <Splarka>	uppity bot
[22:10:01] <MinuteElectron>	:P
[22:10:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) More flexible reports, dynamic arguments, template awareness ... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9203  +comment (10dan.bolser)
[22:10:13] *archivist 	contemplates stealing(or borrow) that factoid for his bot
[22:11:33] <Simetrical>	I stole !ask from another bot.
[22:12:48] <brion>	ok seriously, are these ugly URLs or what? -> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/25/national/w054734D97.DTL&tsp=1
[22:13:01] <brion>	1) cgi-bin? what is this, 1996?
[22:13:25] <archivist>	some idiots still use cgi
[22:13:32] <brion>	2) constructing a big path with a date and category... and then passing it in a query string? wtf?
[22:13:43] <brion>	3) &tsp=1? is this a recipe?
[22:13:53] <archivist>	asking for an injection
[22:14:10] <brion>	nothing wrong with using cgi if you know what you're doing, but for god's sake learn mod_rewrite
[22:15:42] <brion>	on the plus side, i could use the $600 back from .gov :)
[22:16:24] <Splarka>	mmm, teaspoon
[22:17:03] <Splarka>	heh: http://www.sfgate.com/AP/a/2008/04/25/national/w054734D97.DTL
[22:17:12] <brion>	rofl
[22:17:39] <brion>	you'd think a san francisco-based paper would have a nicer web site
[22:17:57] <Splarka>	go over to their offices and offer to fix it
[22:18:22] <Splarka>	or bring them $1 so they can buy a better one
[22:18:33] <brion>	i actually cancelled my subscription cause the paper hardly ever showed up
[22:18:41] <brion>	though maybe my neighbors were stealing it
[22:24:40] <Simetrical>	Psst, sfgate, you're supposed to keep data in databases, not on webservers.
[22:25:12] <Simetrical>	That looks like they're keeping it on a webserver as a plain text file.  :(
[22:25:28] <Simetrical>	Beneath the web root, too, just for the heck of it.
[22:31:12] <bryanl>	i'm looking for an extension that will allow me to put an rss feed on a page
[22:32:05] <Simetrical>	In what way?  Every page already has an automatic RSS feed.
[22:32:13] <bryanl>	not create... consume :)
[22:32:20] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amediawiki.org+rss+feed&btnG=Google+Search
[22:32:45] <bryanl>	thanks Splarka
[22:35:55] <MinuteElectron>	!e News | bryanl 
[22:35:55] --mwbot--	bryanl: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:News
[22:36:00] <MinuteElectron>	doesn't work with 1.12
[22:36:03] <MinuteElectron>	but does with 1.11
[22:37:08] <R|SK>	Hi @ all. I've got a small question...
[22:37:51] <R|SK>	Is it possible tp preformat tables in the wiki like the <colgrroup> Tag in HTML does?
[22:41:59] <Splarka>	colgroup seems to be whitelisted in the sanitizer
[22:44:27] <Splarka>	or maybe not
[22:47:33] <R|SK>	I've just seen, it's on todo list...
[22:47:47] <R|SK>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_DTD#Tables
[22:49:01] <R|SK>	Any workaround so far? Or do I have to set the attributes for every row by hand?
[22:52:19] <CIA-50>	03brion * r33893 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: 
[22:52:19] <CIA-50>	Add debug comment to diffs indicating generator backend, node, and time.
[22:52:19] <CIA-50>	May help tracking down the awful bugs we've been seeing more of lately.
[22:55:03] <Splarka>	R|SK: you could use css
[22:55:21] <Splarka>	for rows it is easy, class the <tr>
[22:55:34] <Splarka>	{|
[22:55:40] <Splarka>	|- class="foo"
[22:55:46] <Splarka>	and then.... tr.foo td {}
[22:55:51] <R|SK>	Yes but I just wnat to format a single column.
[22:56:03] <Splarka>	ahh, columns are harder
[22:56:10] <R|SK>	Indeed ;)
[22:56:19] <Splarka>	you could use siblings but that isn't happy in some browsers, like opera
[22:56:26] <Splarka>	for example:
[22:56:36] <Splarka>	table.someclass td { font-weight:bold;}
[22:56:42] <Splarka>	table.someclass td + td { font-weight:normal;}
[22:56:56] <Splarka>	first td in each row is then bold
[22:57:11] <Splarka>	or, if you only need two styles, you could alternate between th and td
[22:57:15] <Splarka>	|-
[22:57:21] <Splarka>	!| this is a th
[22:57:21] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "|".
[22:57:23] <Splarka>	|| this is a td
[22:57:27] *Splarka 	smacks mwbot
[22:57:41] <Demonicpagan>	i'm trying to figure something out, i have done some short url stuff with .htaccess and LocalSettings.php and i have links showing up as http://wiki.stormbot.net/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit instead of like http://wiki.stormbot.net/wiki/Special:Movepage/Main_Page
[22:57:43] <R|SK>	Yesm I was thinking about setting up a td.class for this column, but it would be of any advantage to me.
[22:58:18] <R|SK>	I just want to set a separate background color ;)
[22:58:24] <Splarka>	Demonicpagan: that is normal, those are called script URLs, check wikipedia for same ^_^
[22:58:38] <Demonicpagan>	ahh
[22:58:41] <Splarka>	R|SK: how many different ones in a given table?
[22:58:48] <R|SK>	2
[22:59:03] <Demonicpagan>	for a moment, i thought i messed something up
[22:59:05] <Splarka>	and you don't want editors to have to swap between th and td?
[22:59:33] <Splarka>	Demonicpagan: most parameters can be passed in an article path rather than a script path, but not all can
[22:59:44] <Demonicpagan>	ok
[22:59:50] <Splarka>	 http://wiki.stormbot.net/wiki/Main_Page?action=edit will work but http://wiki.stormbot.net/wiki/Main_Page?action=raw will not
[23:00:21] <R|SK>	Splarka:  |class=firstline| or |bgcolor=#blabla|  aren't much difference to me...
[23:00:22] <Splarka>	that is why there are no internally generated links that have URI parameters in the article path (some things have path parameters, like Special:Movepage as you pointed out, though)
[23:00:23] <Demonicpagan>	that basically because of how mediawiki was coded?
[23:00:33] <Splarka>	R|SK: I mean like this:
[23:00:43] <Splarka>	{| class="altrows"
[23:00:44] <Splarka>	|-
[23:00:48] <Splarka>	! this is a th
[23:00:51] <Splarka>	| this is a td
[23:00:53] <Splarka>	! this is a th
[23:01:16] <R|SK>	Ah, that's an idea... :
[23:01:18] <Splarka>	and then:  
[23:01:18] <R|SK>	:)
[23:01:21] <Splarka>	table.altrows th { background-color: #ffeeee;}
[23:01:26] <Splarka>	table.altrows td { background-color: #eeffee;}
[23:01:42] <Splarka>	though you might have to undo the td stylings in mediawiki, which are bold and centered IIRC
[23:01:57] <Splarka>	table.altrows th { background-color: #ffeeee; font-weight:normal; text-align:left;}  etc
[23:02:18] <R|SK>	Thanks Splarka, I'll think about it.
[23:02:27] <Splarka>	and try siblings, it might be acceptable
[23:02:34] <Splarka>	table.altrows td { background-color: #ffeeee;}
[23:02:40] <Splarka>	table.altrows td + td{ background-color: #eeffee;}
[23:02:45] <Splarka>	table.altrows td + td + td { background-color: #ffeeee;}
[23:03:05] <Splarka>	and hey, there is always javascript ^_^  *hides*
[23:04:02] <Skizzerz>	:P
[23:04:23] <Splarka>	fr.wikipedia did something like that with dl/dd
[23:04:30] *Skizzerz 	made a filter script that filters out table columns... it was insane and I haven't tested it out yet so I don't even know if it works :)
[23:18:20] <Splarka>	R|SK: http://p.defau.lt/?YI2XRjwWesE2euK5_GnLIA
[23:19:47] <R|SK>	Thanks, but I just found out that whoever sets the wiki up, I'm currently writing an article for, has diasbled any scripts and even pure HTML... :-/
[23:21:30] <stiv2k>	hey does mediawiki disable form usage by default?
[23:21:41] <stiv2k>	is there a way i can enable it just for a specific page
[23:24:54] <Splarka>	stiv2k: what mediawiki does is disable *all* html, and then whitelist a few safe tags
[23:25:06] <stiv2k>	oh
[23:25:27] <stiv2k>	im trying to put a donate link for paypal... and their code has a <form> in it and whatnot
[23:25:27] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext#Permitted_HTML
[23:25:32] <stiv2k>	oh ok
[23:25:35] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:25:54] <Splarka>	then you'll have to put it in in the source probably
[23:26:20] <Splarka>	like make a dedicated Special: page, or insert a wfMsg*() call allowing html (some still do IIRC)
[23:26:32] <stiv2k>	is this safe?
[23:26:37] <Splarka>	or insert it via javascript X_X
[23:26:45] <Splarka>	well, safer than allowing raw html!
[23:26:50] <stiv2k>	is there any documentation explaining it
[23:27:17] <Splarka>	although there are some attempted secure versions of it:  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg
[23:27:38] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML
[23:28:15] <Splarka>	that last one might actually be the best answer for your particular need
[23:28:24] <Splarka>	allows raw html on protected pages
[23:28:37] <Splarka>	so, it is as secure as far as you trust any sysop ^_^
[23:28:43] <stiv2k>	heh
[23:29:20] *stiv2k 	is thinking of just creating an offsite link
[23:29:35] <MZMcBride>	HTMLets are nice.
[23:29:45] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PayPal
[23:29:47] <stiv2k>	what is an HTMLet?
[23:30:12] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_Forms#A_PayPal_donation_form
[23:30:15] <MZMcBride>	!e HTMLets
[23:30:15] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets
[23:30:30] <stiv2k>	Splarka: excellent!
[23:30:39] <MZMcBride>	Hello VanTucky. :)
[23:30:45] <VanTucky>	hello there
[23:30:52] <VanTucky>	anyone know if Wikimedia projects support the forms extension?
[23:31:14] <MZMcBride>	Check [[Special:Version]]? 
[23:33:53] <stiv2k>	Splarka: almost there
[23:34:48] <VanTucky>	nope, it doesn't
[23:34:56] <VanTucky>	Extension:Form that is
[23:34:59] <VanTucky>	too bad
[23:35:22] <Splarka>	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/CommonSettings.php.html
[23:35:27] <Splarka>	doesn't look like it is in any project
[23:36:12] <VanTucky>	man, it would be so useful for reducing instruction creep
[23:36:27] <VanTucky>	instead of ten step instructions to nominate something for a process
[23:36:33] <VanTucky>	just fill out a form and hit save
[23:36:56] <VanTucky>	of course, you have to have admins create the forms though...
[23:36:57] <Splarka>	but would be a big step towards feature creep ^_^
[23:37:04] <VanTucky>	yes
[23:37:16] <VanTucky>	but who cares
[23:37:23] <VanTucky>	we have, on en.wiki
[23:37:25] <OverlordQ>	can't preload do almost the same thing already
[23:37:49] <VanTucky>	I dunno why we have the never-used extentions like <poem>, but not a form oen
[23:37:51] <VanTucky>	one*
[23:38:05] <VanTucky>	OverlordQ, I don't think so
[23:39:54] <VanTucky>	anyway, thanks for the help y'all! much appreciated. now, tis back to work...
[23:40:02] <MrZ-man>	Splarka: we have everythingelse-creep, might as well get some features
[23:42:27] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: even creep creep ^_^
[23:43:21] <stiv2k>	Splarka: i dont know whats going on
[23:43:43] <stiv2k>	does the SimpleForms extension require the page to be protected or something?
[23:45:36] <stiv2k>	Splarka: this is what i'm getting: http://wiki.neoturbine.net/Donations
[23:47:03] *stiv2k 	should probably have configured it heh
[23:49:29] <_DeepBlue>	hi there
[23:49:37] <_DeepBlue>	I have to build a wikipedia's style groupware
[23:50:08] <_DeepBlue>	I'm thinking of MediaWiki
[23:50:18] <_DeepBlue>	so you have any suggestions?
[23:53:28] <stiv2k>	fuck
[23:53:31] <Splarka>	are you looking more for a collaborative open workspace (open to anyone with access that is) or content management system?
[23:53:52] <stiv2k>	the config variables didn't do anything
[23:54:20] <_DeepBlue>	collaborative workspace, not open
[23:54:57] <Splarka>	mediawiki is good at being fully open or fully closed, but not in between, which has to be taken in to account 
[23:55:52] <_DeepBlue>	yeah sure
[23:56:02] <_DeepBlue>	it will be private
[23:56:19] <Splarka>	will it be accessable only from an internal network, or the internet?
[23:56:26] <_DeepBlue>	internet
[23:57:23] <Splarka>	then you'll want to restrict 'read' and 'createaccount', so that anon users may not use it, and there will be a subset of pages, usually the main page and Special:Userlogin, that anyone can see
[23:57:39] <jlerner>	MinuteElectron: var_Dump( $out->getPageTitle() ) reports:
[23:57:57] <jlerner>	string(0) ""
[23:59:21] <stiv2k>	i suppose it doesn't much like the whole encrypted thing
[23:59:50] <_DeepBlue>	Splarka: yes
[23:59:58] <Splarka>	_DeepBlue: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights for how to do that