[00:00:33] on a large diff, I get "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /.../DifferenceEngine.php on line 1864" - is this a mediawiki or php error, and how can I configure either one to allow times > 30s ? [00:27:58] on a large diff, I get "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /.../DifferenceEngine.php on line 1864" - is this a mediawiki or php error, and how can I configure either one to allow times > 30s ? [00:46:26] wiki_guy: max execution time in php.ini [00:55:01] 03(NEW) Image redirect implementation is very confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13943 major; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (siebrand) [00:55:28] thanks siebrand [00:58:08] 03(mod) Image redirect implementation is very confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13943 normal->high (10siebrand) [01:14:41] 03(NEW) Editing a unsigned comment in discussion when logged in using firefox 2 ( latest stable) resulted in auto-log-out (not always) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13944 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (xhh2a) [01:19:16] 03(mod) Editing a unsigned comment in discussion when logged in using firefox 2 ( latest stable) resulted in auto-log-out (not always) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13944 (10xhh2a) [01:30:00] 03(mod) Allow autoconfirmed users to semi-protect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13942 +comment (10dan_the_man) [01:31:54] 03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937 (10dan_the_man) [01:37:21] was I dreaming, or did I see a different DifferenceEngine on one of the wikimedia sites a few days ago? I just installed last night's nightly, and am not seeing the changes on my local install [01:42:07] It's an extension AFAIK [01:42:29] Dantman: thanks for the hint, I'll look for it [01:42:37] Wikidiff2 I believe [01:42:46] However it still has some heavy bugs in it [01:43:20] Dantman, ah, any particular ones? [01:44:03] Well they're attempting to make it render whitespace diffs... But it's still being developed and there are a lot of bugs about the diff's it generating being completely bogus [01:44:28] ah [01:44:36] this occurs only if there are whitespace differences? [01:44:39] For that kind of stuff I'd wait till they finish it [01:44:50] In general AFAIK [01:45:02] okay [02:54:31] wb [03:14:42] 03(mod) Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 (10N/A) [04:36:22] Is there an URL format to just view source of a MediaWiki page? ?action=raw asks me what to do with a PHP file, and I don't want ?action=edit [04:38:14] I want to link to a message page with markup text in it , http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Smw_service_online_maps , and just display the source [04:47:34] action=render is close, but I just want the text. Is there a way to get MediaWiki to send page contents with Content-Type: text/plain [04:47:53] !action [04:47:53] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "action". You might try: !actions !file !purge [04:48:00] !actions [04:48:00] --mwbot-- For default actions understood by MediaWiki, see [04:48:09] !content-type [04:48:09] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "content-type". [04:48:15] skierpage: you can use &action=raw&ctype=text/css [04:48:17] in firefox anyways [04:48:47] but the list of allowed content-types is purposely very controlled due to some browser vulnerabilities [04:49:05] IE will ignore mimetype in some cases, if it sees a file extension it recognizes [04:49:30] awesome, I'll try it. [04:51:22] you could also use the API [04:53:49] Weird, this wiki won't do it. [04:53:51] http://semantic-mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Smw_service_online_maps&action=raw&ctype=text/plain [04:54:16] but the list of allowed content-types is purposely very controlled due to some browser vulnerabilities [04:54:23] there is no text/plain allowed [04:56:23] bahaha [04:56:26] happy star wars day [04:56:29] May the 4th be with you [04:57:24] OK, but http://semantic-mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Smw_service_online_maps&action=raw&ctype=text/css returns [04:57:26] /* Empty */ [04:57:27] Maybe it's just this wiki, [04:57:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Aboutpage&action=raw&ctype=text/css [04:57:31] works as you describe [04:57:51] hmm [04:58:04] well &action=raw&ctype=text/plain returns Content-Type: text/x-wiki; charset=utf-8 [04:58:20] which is the same as no ctype defined [05:00:34] hmm [05:00:51] skierpage: the problem with that page is it doesn't exist [05:01:12] it has content only because it is a system message with a default [05:01:21] http://semantic-mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Smw_service_online_maps&action=edit [05:01:26] notice there is no history tab [05:01:46] so there is no way to return the content if it doesn't have any, except in view or edit [05:02:06] create the page and it will work [05:03:23] also: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&titles=MediaWiki:Sidebar [05:03:41] Splarka, I see where you're going but http://semantic-mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Smw_service_online_maps&action=view does exist?! Maybe some subtle internal rewrite that works for one and not the other. [05:04:09] so there is no way to return the content if it doesn't have any, except in view or edit [05:04:43] that is because system messages are editable in the wiki interface as content pages, but no longer have to exist as such [05:04:55] Yeah, it's the spaces. [05:05:17] spaces? [05:07:58] OK, light is dawning, I didn't realize MediaWiki: had that default feature. Thanks again. [05:09:16] So there's no reliable way to show the source of a system message if is the default and thus doesn't really exist. Hmmm. [05:14:17] well, edit, heh [05:14:28] *Splarka pokles Werdna [05:14:33] what? [05:15:00] any idea how to get the default text of a non-existant (page) system message? [05:15:07] other than action=edit and action=view [05:15:41] hmm, maybe meta=allmessages [05:20:16] skierpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=allmessages&ammessages=Filepath&amlang=en works, as does http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=allmessages&ammessages=Filepath&amlang=he ... however, these are rather new options, and don't work on the wiki you're using [05:22:13] Good to know. [05:35:33] Splarka: they were commited before 1.12 release iirc [05:36:08] AaronSchulz: ping [05:37:58] VasilievVV: hmm, is there any method prior to that to get the raw wikicode of the system messages if there is only a default? [05:38:19] 03aaron * r34193 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Small page tweaks [05:38:35] Only a default? [05:40:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Filepath and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Filepath&action=edit show content [05:40:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Filepath&action=raw&ctype=text/css does not [05:40:53] the api on rvprop shows missing="" if the page doesn't exist [05:44:00] 03aaron * r34194 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Add handy link. This could look better though... [05:44:12] Werdna: what? [05:46:19] AaronSchulz: never mind, I wanted some sysoppage on mediawiki.org, so I could merge an alt account, but I got VasilievVV to sysop me on test.wp [05:46:25] *Werdna are not crat. [05:49:11] AaronSchulz: did flaggedrevs go live on dewp? [05:49:22] AaronSchulz: may you crat' me on mw.org, please? [05:49:31] what for? [05:50:06] Werdna: see brion's blog [05:50:20] For giving out sysops and SUL renames. Do you know other reasons for bureaucratship? [05:51:02] lol, bots [05:52:12] Werdna, VasilievVV: you are crats now [05:52:22] ooh, thanks [05:52:27] *Werdna blocks AaronSchulz [05:52:28] thanks [05:53:03] SUL does sound cool, I just can't use it. [05:53:13] AaronSchulz: I can't get to brion's blog. [05:53:15] timeouts [05:54:23] I wonder if brion will be in on sunday [05:54:48] *VasilievVV hopes [06:59:13] hi [07:00:18] anyone here [07:00:23] hello [07:00:29] h [07:00:29] e [07:00:30] l [07:00:31] l [07:00:32] o [07:01:11] what an !ask-hole [07:08:52] HURRA!!! I believe I fixed my memory leak :D:D:D [07:09:54] Memory leak! Where? *tweak* I need more RAM!!! [07:10:13] Eww, memory leaks [07:10:38] Yeah, they're fun :) [07:10:52] Been working on this one pretty much nonstop for the last 24hrs [07:11:10] Came down to *one* pointer that I forgot to initialize [07:16:24] so... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=interwikimap&sifilteriw=local [07:16:45] how is one supposed to know which will form langlinks and which will not? other than by human intuition [07:17:00] or scraping /languages/Names.php [07:17:18] <_wooz> lo [07:43:27] Anything wrong with me comitting a $wgSharedDBtables variable? [07:44:17] There are various reasons people may want $wgSharedDB set without having the hardcoded results [07:47:08] meow [07:48:44] 03huji * r34195 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialVersion.php): (bug 13934) Fixing the link to GNU General Public License Version 2 [07:49:36] 03(FIXED) MW is GPL-v2 or later, but link is to GPL-v3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13934 +comment (10huji.huji) [07:50:20] *Splarka wonders if list=backlinks is too expensive to have as a generator-enabled prop [07:53:03] 03huji * r34196 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: * Adding/updating Persian translations [07:53:59] 03dantman * r34197 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: [07:54:00] Adding missing RELEASE-NOTE. [07:54:00] bug 12542 was committed well before I got commit access. However it was not documented in the RELEASE-NOTES. [07:55:15] 03(mod) Add hooks to SpecialListusers.php to allow for expansion of it' s use, without hacking core. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12542 (10dan_the_man) [07:57:50] Well, hope no-one minds me adding $wgSharedDBtables, It'll be completely backwards compatible at least [08:23:41] If people mind it will get reverted, that's about it. [08:23:58] So I don't think you have much to worry about! [08:24:12] Mhmm [08:24:21] I'm testing it on my Dev server atm [08:25:02] It sounds reasonable, I never quite got why $wgSharedDB was so restricted. [08:25:34] Ya [08:25:51] It's actually quite annoying [08:26:41] I know as a hard fact... If you tweak tableName to include 'interwiki' as a table to share... You don't need to worry about making some wierd interwiki table updating script [08:26:54] That's what I was thinking too. [08:26:56] Meant for small groups of wiki of course [08:26:59] Ya [08:27:09] I've done it before and it's worked beautifully [08:27:12] :) [08:27:32] And on large sites like Wikia... Imagine how many database tables you could eliminate... [08:27:56] I don't care how small a row is... When you multiple hundreds of rows, by arround 5000 wiki... That's a fair bit of data [08:28:03] multiply* [08:28:14] The current implementation isn't very useful anymore anyway, sharing the user table isn't very good compared to what CentralAuth provides. [08:28:20] 03dale * r34198 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (5 files in 3 dirs): improved IE support for remote inline display of captions [08:28:22] Ya... [08:28:33] Though CentralAuth doesn't suit my needs either [08:28:36] oh? [08:29:24] Well... other than the fact that I also need to allow logging into a WordPress blog and a phpBB forum [08:29:42] I believe that there were some differences in it's purpose to what I needed [08:30:38] Trying to use OpenID failed to [08:30:46] So I'm probably going to build my own system [08:30:59] I think it was mainly developed so that accounts could be merged, but as a side effect it also means that you can have different preferences on each wiki. [08:31:13] Ya... [08:31:18] a trade-off... [08:31:32] with a fully shared table, you can have the same user ID on every wiki.. [08:31:44] My purpose is a loose linking between local user and a global account [08:31:48] (also, it is possible to split preferences on Wikia.. in fact sharing them effectively was a hard task) [08:32:02] You could tie into the phpbb forum using the phpbb auth extension though, one might exist for wordpress aswell. [08:32:27] hmm, Datrio merged mediawiki and phpbb for Wikia [08:32:38] he even made a phpbb monobook skin and wikicode parser [08:33:04] Though it didn't turn out completely well [08:33:12] (but it used the mediawiki session IIRC) [08:33:20] yah yah, always one failure point to ruin your whole day [08:42:42] *Warpath yawns :O [08:51:16] How was it we purge the interwiki cache? [08:57:19] ^_^ Ok it's working [08:58:10] My dev server has no interwiki table... I have Wikipedia listed in my commons table... And when the cache was purged all interwiki links on dev started working [09:00:27] dantman, would you be interested in an open source authentiation tool that does most of what you need ? [09:00:32] 03dantman * r34199 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): New variable $wgSharedDBtables. This allows altering of the list of tables which enabling $wgSharedDB affects. For backwards compatibility this is set to an array containing the user table. [09:00:36] What one? [09:00:55] .. bsd licensed, a-select [09:02:10] it is used on a wide scale in the Netherlands ... scales to millions of concurrent users [09:03:05] http://a-select.surfnet.nl/ [09:03:51] I am looking for a MediaWiki developer who is interested in federated authentication [09:06:45] Honnestly I don't feel a need for something that complex... [09:07:40] Plus, it's java... One of the things I was trying to avoid [09:07:55] If I wanted something like that I already looked into CAS [09:08:07] Have you tried LDAP? [09:08:40] A-Select does support LDAP [09:08:49] I'm just going for a database setup with a PHP client and a rails management app [09:09:34] there are many such implementations already and some provide debatable security [09:09:54] And all are completely different than what I'm trying to do [09:10:37] you need to connect multiple environments providing a single user logon [09:10:57] And I can do that perfectly fine without a heavyweight Java app [09:10:58] what is different ? [09:11:20] All I want is to authenticate against an external DB [09:11:58] nothing differen here [09:12:15] but it is your choise [09:12:22] nothing different there either [09:24:49] 03(mod) Image redirect implementation is very confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13943 (10siebrand) [09:27:17] If anyone wants it... I'll also have a patch for 1.12 if anyone needs the $wgSharedDBtables feature for their 1.12 [10:15:43] 03shinjiman * r34200 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [10:19:11] 03shinjiman * r34201 10/trunk/tools/planet/zh/config.ini: +Hardys [10:21:56] 03(mod) Template links on article preview page should be in alphanumeric ( alphabetic) order - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12644 (10greg.ebdon) [10:25:29] 03(mod) Allow free editing of user date format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12280 +comment (10greg.ebdon) [10:30:09] 03(mod) Serbian Planet is unreachable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12697 +comment (10shinjiman) [10:32:03] hi, I'm administrating a Wiki and a want to view a list of deleted pages, is there some extension that I have to install for this or can it be done by MediaWiki already? [10:49:27] lch: Special:Undelete [10:50:14] oh, thanks, I am not logged on as sysop [10:50:28] that's why I didn't find it in the SpecialPages [12:13:31] does someone here know how to use mTitle->touchLinks() ? [12:13:59] I call it, then purgeSquid(), but apparently it does not do anything [12:39:28] 03(NEW) not able to detect cascading protection through API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13945 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (cbm) [12:47:53] anyone know of a way to rebuild the Special:Newpages page? mine has somehow reset (last month it had 50iush entries, now it has 1) [12:57:56] 03ialex * r34202 10/trunk/extensions/AbsenteeLandlord/AbsenteeLandlord.php: [12:57:56] * E_PARSE in AbsenteeLandlord.php on line 29, ";" missing [12:57:56] * Use an array for authors so that the "and" can be translated [13:04:34] 03shinjiman * r34203 10/trunk/tools/planet/ru/config.ini: -BOM char [13:15:47] 03ialex * r34204 10/trunk/extensions/OnlineStatus/OnlineStatus.i18n.php: Commiting es: translation from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OnlineStatus [13:22:34] 03ialex * r34205 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Removed the note about that $wgSharedDB only works for user table [14:10:16] 03(NEW) Define WN: as an alias for Wikinews: on fr.wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13946 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (baptistec) [14:13:33] hello:) Could somebody give me some information about sitemaps? I wanna make a sitemap for my wiki but dont have access to shell to run the php file inside maintenance/ [14:15:25] also, do I need to create a sitemap myself in regular intervals and submit it to google? can I automate this process? [14:19:04] Cron! [14:21:36] 03(mod) Image redirect implementation is very confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13943 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [14:22:10] Hello guys, i am trying to make a bot that performs some edits on awiki with VB6, and i unable to get the edit details. it gives me an error, can u please help ? [14:23:11] LordAnubis, if you have a more specific question, go ahead and ask, and you'll see if we can help. [14:23:56] Ok, So I use VB to get the page http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LordAnubisCSB/Test?action=edit [14:24:05] but this is wut i get (see paste) back [14:24:16] It says "Wikimedia Error" [14:24:27] http://rafb.net/p/hcgdtv61.html [14:24:56] LordAnubis, set a descriptive User-Agent string that gives contact information for you in case the bot is found to be misbehaving. [14:25:17] Wikimedia is configured to reject bots that have generic User-Agent strings. [14:25:35] ok, where can i set one like that, and how does wikimedia know that this is a bot ? [14:26:10] LordAnubis, see the [[User-Agent]] article for details on what a User-Agent string is. Check VB docs for how to set it when using VB. [14:26:32] Aha, Simetrical , so you are saying that this Wikimedia error is typical of not using a User-Agent ? [14:26:47] LordAnubis, it's typical of using the default User-Agent for your scripting language. [14:26:57] Simetrical, You are the best man. thanks a lot [14:27:04] i ll check these and see wuti can do [14:40:17] 03(ASSIGNED) not able to detect cascading protection through API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13945 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [14:40:56] 03(mod) not able to detect cascading protection through API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13945 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [14:43:19] 03(mod) Define WN: as an alias for Wikinews: on fr.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13946 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [14:45:54] 03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10alefzet) [14:46:26] 04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 (10alefzet) [14:58:05] 03leon * r34206 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_arab.php MessagesKk_cyrl.php MessagesKk_latn.php): (bug 12145) Kazakh localisation updates, patch 4875 by AlefZet [14:59:23] 03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10leon) [15:00:45] 03aaron * r34207 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Fix query [15:11:11] 03btongminh * r34208 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php): (bug 13945) API: Retrieve cascading protection sources via inprop=protection [15:12:19] 03(FIXED) not able to detect cascading protection through API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13945 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [15:14:29] 03aaron * r34209 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Show count [15:20:51] Simetrical, u there? [15:21:30] Simetrical, it worked, i specified my User-Agent in my Winsock controller, and now i can get the info in a string with no problems ;), thanks a lot for ur help. [15:31:15] 03rainman * r34210 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) [15:31:15] Re-commit r34072 with some modifications: [15:31:15] * turned off by default (set $wgAdvancedSearchHighlighting to turn on) [15:31:15] * reverted r26269, \b doesn't interact very good with unicode data, [15:31:16] so it broke highlighting of words that end/begin in nonascii chars [15:31:18] completely [15:31:20] * small bugfixes in unicode handling, tested in more languages [15:32:45] 03shinjiman * r34211 10/trunk/tools/planet/zh/config.ini: +Flamelai [15:34:14] 03(NEW) Restrict uploads on q:cs: to sysops only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13947 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny_b) [15:34:25] 03aaron * r34212 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Tweak stablepages [15:36:05] 03aaron * r34213 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Shorten message [15:44:03] AaronSchulz: when can we let translators translate flaggedrevs? [15:44:13] anytime [15:44:19] I never said to stop ;) [15:44:39] it is fairly stable now though, if that's what you mean [15:44:49] just making tweaks to special pages [15:45:17] changing messages often causes us trouble [15:49:49] are there any Ajax Login extensions? [15:50:00] Doubt it. [15:50:07] Should be in core, if anyone wants to write that up. [15:51:53] *AaronSchulz wishes MW had more AJAX [15:52:14] I tried to do it once... [15:52:33] Misza made one, but he hasn't been on IRC for ages, and wikia has one but they won't release it [15:55:09] Clearly we need to switch to the Affero GPL. [15:55:17] AaronSchulz, we have AJAX watch! [15:55:42] I added that! Although I actually stole it from someone's patch, and have no idea how our AJAX framework works or how AJAX works or how to add more of it. [15:56:04] :p [15:56:07] 03aaron * r34214 10/trunk/extensions/Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop.php: page group [15:58:40] well i'll look at how mediawiki does auth and see if i could make an AjaxLogin extensino [16:09:49] chuck: It might be better to submit a patch to core [16:09:51] ok, brb [16:24:19] 03btongminh * r34215 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php: Avoid code duplication [16:51:07] how can i create a printversion of every article of my mediawiki [16:51:35] hello i was look at the extension sitemap and the top page says this: Since MediaWiki 1.6, the MediaWiki core has a Google site map generator which may be more appropriate than this extension. It is a command-line utility, and it is located at maintenance/generateSitemap.php in your MediaWiki directory. The command line is "php generatesitemap.php sitename" and is run from the maintenance directory at the server's command line [16:51:54] where is the command line? [16:53:20] someone must know.... [16:53:45] odes2, you might not have access to it, if you're on shared hosting. [16:53:54] It may be called "shell access" or something similar. [16:54:09] Since MediaWiki sucks, you can't use the script easily if you don't have this kind of access. [16:55:26] hello i was look at the extension sitemap and the top page says this: Since MediaWiki 1.6, the MediaWiki core has a Google site map generator which may be more appropriate than this extension. It is a command-line utility, and it is located at maintenance/generateSitemap.php in your MediaWiki directory. The command line is "php generatesitemap.php sitename" and is run from the maintenance directory at the server's command line [16:55:27] * marchelly has joined #mediawiki [16:55:27] where is the command line? [16:56:16] odes3, [080504 12:53:44] odes2, you might not have access to it, if you're on shared hosting. [16:56:16] [080504 12:53:54] It may be called "shell access" or something similar. [16:56:16] [080504 12:54:08] Since MediaWiki sucks, you can't use the script easily if you don't have this kind of access. [17:06:34] MW doesn't suck :( [17:08:55] hello [17:10:05] could anyone here help me with "pretty'fing" urls? [17:11:06] what just happened? [17:11:13] am i still on this channel? [17:11:19] oh, sorry [17:11:22] i am, [17:11:23] sorry [17:15:04] anyone? [17:15:52] ... [17:15:57] hey [17:16:01] Is there a way to globally turn off section edit links. Like in the config? [17:16:04] im trying to set up my wiki [17:17:15] i'm trying to set up short urls, using .htaccess . i got the site working, but without the skins [17:19:33] !shorturl | donkeykong [17:19:33] --mwbot-- donkeykong: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [17:19:40] deltaray2, why would you want to, out of curiosity? [17:20:03] i think i did, but it's for when you install example.com/w/... [17:20:13] im installing to example.com/... [17:20:14] Simetrical: This is for a documentation site. And its mostly going to be me editing the documents, not people reading it. I think the edit links will look a little strange. [17:20:23] Simetrical: Do you know of a way? [17:20:41] deltaray2, you could blank the message "editsection-brackets", I guess. [17:20:57] Well, blanking won't work. [17:21:06] Replace it with  or something. [17:21:22] Why don't you just turn off editing for these other people, if you want them to just be reading? [17:21:33] More to the point, why are you using wiki software if only you're going to be editing? That's not what it's meant for. [17:23:14] Simetrical: I'm not really asking for your opinion on whether I should be using a wiki or not. I like using a wiki and some people will be editing it besides me, but not everybody. I don't want to confuse newbie type people with the edit links. [17:23:41] deltaray2, my point is that you shouldn't be surprised that there's no facility for using the software in a way it's not designed to be used. [17:23:49] And also I myself don't really like the section edit links. I know I can turn them off on a page by page basis with the magic work __NOSECTIONEDIT__, but I'd rather if I could just do it globally. [17:24:05] Simetrical: Lots of people use wikis for documentation. [17:24:21] Doesn't mean that's what it's meant for, or that it will have features designed for that. [17:24:29] There isn't, I think, any way to do what you want "properly" without some hacking. [17:24:47] You can get a decent approximation, as I said, by replacing MediaWiki:editsection-brackets with  or something. [17:25:09] Ok, well that's all I wanted to know. I guess I could make a template that could do some common settings like that and make every page use that template. [17:25:23] Ok, thanks. [17:25:26] *Jack_Phoenix waves to ialex :-) [17:25:44] hi Jack_Phoenix :) [17:25:49] rar [17:26:43] could anyone help me? [17:27:00] !ask | donkeykong [17:27:00] --mwbot-- donkeykong: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [17:27:10] What is  ? I can't find it on any of the html character entity lists. [17:27:28] oh, sorry. i thought i asked my question already [17:27:38] deltaray2, it's just a space. [17:27:56] donkeykong: Oh, I ddn't see, sorry. [17:27:58] ignore me [17:28:08] lol [17:28:09] deltaray2, you need to look at Unicode character lists to find what numeric codes mean. [17:28:27] deltaray2, anyway, another way would be to add to Common.css: .editsection { display: none; } [17:28:31] That would probably be a better way. [17:28:46] Yes yes. that would be a good way. [17:28:47] minuteelectron: i installed mediawiki, and i put in the .htaccess to shorten urls, [17:28:51] thanks, good idea. [17:29:02] but the skins aren't working [17:29:09] donkeykong, because you're ignoring instructions. [17:29:19] ... [17:29:24] what am i missing? [17:29:25] You're using a method that explicitly says DO NOT INSTALL TO THE ROOT DIRECTORY and installing to the root directory. [17:29:27] And expecting it to work. [17:29:31] oh [17:29:36] Use one of the ones that are designed to rewrite to the root directory. [17:29:40] They're there, scroll down. [17:29:51] but when i installed it in /w, and went to my site, [17:30:01] it just showed my the directory [17:30:23] donkeykong, what method are you using? [17:30:44] What .htaccess file are you using? Where did you get it? [17:30:47] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access [17:31:58] shoot, i'll be back in a second [17:33:03] back [17:33:54] so, it seems to say to upload it to "mysite.com/w/..." [17:34:08] but when i do that, and go to www.mysite.com, [17:34:15] it just shows directory of / [17:34:20] donkeykong, upload what to mysite.com/w/ ? [17:34:37] If you follow the instructions you linked to exactly, they should work. [17:34:52] Where are your wiki files currently installed? [17:34:55] no timstarling around? [17:34:58] on / [17:35:00] Okay. [17:35:05] i changed it when it didnt work [17:35:08] anybody else know about the new parser/preprocessor? [17:35:34] I need to pass custom arguments to a template [17:35:48] but ->newChild takes domnodes, not strings :\ [17:36:22] donkeykong, try putting this in your web root, in an .htaccess file. If one already exists, replace it (or comment out, etc.). http://pastebin.ca/1007184 [17:36:37] ok, ill try it [17:36:38] brb [17:37:10] 03ialex * r34216 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): Added $wgSharedDBtables, $wgAdvancedSearchHighlighting and $wgSearchHighlightBoundaries [17:38:25] 03(mod) Special:Mypage in URL doesn't allow other URL params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11566 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10webmaster) [17:38:31] same thing: the page loads, without the skins [17:39:08] donkeykong, do you have a link? [17:39:26] sure: [17:39:32] http://www.onlinerpghelp.com/wiki/Main_Page [17:40:24] Okay, you've misconfigured MediaWiki somehow. What's $wgScriptPath, in LocalSettings.php? [17:40:30] It should be empty. [17:40:37] *siebrand pats ialex on the head. [17:40:38] I suspect it's "/". [17:40:43] ialex: 'configure-section-search' => 'Serach', [17:40:43] hold on, let me see [17:40:52] siebrand, what language is that? :D [17:41:04] Simetrical: Ialenglish [17:41:05] oops [17:41:22] $wgScriptPath = ""; [17:41:39] donkeykong, okay. Are you sure that's the only place it's set? [17:41:57] not sure, where else would it be? [17:42:07] woops, [17:42:08] I meant, the only place in LocalSettings.php. [17:42:14] found it further down the page, [17:42:15] i think [17:42:17] Right. [17:42:24] Then the last one takes precedence. [17:42:31] You should probably just delete the earlier one(s), to avoid confusion. [17:42:43] got it!! [17:42:43] 03ialex * r34217 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.i18n.php: Sibrand is right :( [17:42:51] thanks! [17:42:52] re-oops [17:43:11] wtf [17:43:12] ialex, surely you mean "Siberand"? [17:43:18] thanks, ill be back with more questions, if i have any [17:43:20] svn ci Configure/Configure.i18n.php --message "Siebrand is right :(" [17:43:42] *siebrand grins evilly at Simetrical [17:45:37] *ialex stabs his console [17:48:30] bash? [17:48:36] yeah [17:48:48] i missed something ? [17:49:36] No. I just wondered which shell do you use [17:55:02] I should try ksh or something one of these days. [17:55:11] Because Bourne shells are kind of awful in a lot of ways. [18:03:08] *VasilievVV uses Windows Vista + TortoiseSVN and doesn't get such lags :) [18:10:25] Lags? [18:11:41] *bugs [18:12:42] 03nikerabbit * r34218 10/trunk/extensions/APC/ (9 files): * New extension [18:14:19] 03siebrand * r34219 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Stylistic changes to recently added messages [18:14:44] \o/ nikerabbit [18:14:46] *ialex installs [18:15:07] ialex: I've just hacked it today and yesterday... [18:15:12] ialex: I hope it works for you [18:15:15] So, MediaWiki now has support for armored personnel carriers? Excellent. [18:15:43] Simetrical: yeah, security! [18:16:03] *AaronSchulz wishes brion was around [18:16:20] 03siebrand * r34220 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: image -> file [18:16:30] Nikerabbit: i'll see ;) [18:17:10] what's up? [18:20:35] ialex: any luck? [18:20:48] Nikerabbit: seems to work [18:21:01] ialex: images and all? :o [18:21:12] Nikerabbit: images seems to work [18:21:16] bug [18:21:25] they should indeed [18:21:36] I wasted over 12 hours for the whole extension :o [18:21:46] yes, form redirects to main page [18:22:11] in "System cache entries" [18:23:56] Because apc.php isn't good enough! [18:25:59] 03siebrand * r34221 10/trunk/extensions/APC/ (8 files): Some whitespace and indentation fixes [18:26:25] Simetrical: my extensions is many times slower! [18:27:10] 03nikerabbit * r34222 10/trunk/extensions/APC/APCCacheMode.php: * Fix form submission [18:27:15] ialex: should work now [18:30:24] 03siebrand * r34223 10/trunk/extensions/AbsenteeLandlord/ (AbsenteeLandlord.i18n.php AbsenteeLandlord.php): Some whitespace and indentation fixes [18:32:02] 03siebrand * r34224 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for AbsenteeLandlord and Apc [18:36:39] Nikerabbit: http://rafb.net/p/lUl2sg51.html [18:36:59] there is 0 rows if you select "All" [18:37:27] örr [18:37:34] all is buggy anyway, too slow [18:37:58] or how long does it take for you to show all rows? [18:38:28] [18:39:05] mmm [18:39:11] you don't have much then [18:39:13] line breaks beetween rows in source wouls be great ;) [18:39:34] 255 [18:39:37] files [18:39:47] *would [18:40:03] There is 20 571 more entries [18:40:09] that's my user cache [18:40:18] definitely too much to show at once [18:40:40] ialex: feel free to improve it, I have to do other things now :o [18:40:53] Nikerabbit: can i commit the patch ? [18:41:41] ialex: sure, but I wouldn't mind if created a better solution :) [18:42:21] or set "All to -1 ;) [18:42:25] +" [18:42:49] something like removing it... like I half did [18:47:05] Nikerabbit: MediaWiki:Right-apc: Use all features in Special:*View*APC ;) [18:57:57] lol ialex :o [18:58:24] hi Hojjat [18:58:31] Hi there, Nifi [18:58:34] Nikerabbit [18:58:43] :-S [18:58:51] *Hojjat hits his IRC client on the buttock [18:59:24] hi Hojjat <3 [18:59:38] ialex: I see you are working on the translations already :D [18:59:40] Hi Nifi. A pleasure, although accidental :) [18:59:47] Nikerabbit: hehe [18:59:53] Hojjat: what's up? [19:00:14] Nothing Nifi. I just typed your nick instead of Nikerabbit's, by mistake [19:00:21] Anyways, it is nice to talk to you Nifi :) [19:00:32] Hojjat: busy translating? [19:01:01] Nifi: Well, I do a lot, but not these days. I'm really sick. [19:01:17] :< [19:01:21] Nifi: Still, my oral temperature is above 38 C [19:01:39] Need more snow or more medicine? [19:01:51] 03(NEW) irc channel for el wikiversity rc missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13948 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ariel) [19:03:33] irc channel missing? [19:03:49] yes? [19:03:50] or not yet created? [19:04:02] {{somakeityourself}} [19:04:10] can someone give me sysop on Test wiki for a while? [19:04:27] carl-m: can one create channel on irc.wikimedia.org? [19:04:27] I had it, then an steward removed it because it was temporary [19:04:53] Nikerabbit: apparently I missed that they are looking for the recent changes and not a discussion channel [19:18:30] <_aib> does the dumpHTML extension work? http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/ [19:21:29] 03(mod) Category pages don't recognize {{BASEPAGENAME}}/{{SUBPAGENAME}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12909 +shell (10anon.hui) [19:26:42] 03(NEW) Special:PrefixIndex paging links contain invalid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13949 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (clockworksoul) [19:27:38] 03(FIXED) Closure of inactive projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13940 +comment (10jeluf) [19:28:32] <_aib> nm, it works [19:29:51] 03dale * r34225 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js: minnor fix [19:42:00] 03dale * r34226 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/MV_MetavidInterface/MV_Overlay.php: fix wpTextBox1 semantic property override [19:43:17] Hi [19:43:32] I need help [19:43:44] !ask | lotus[ensamble [19:43:44] --mwbot-- lotus[ensamble: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [19:44:25] I'm making my wiki "agenda", fr i want to introduce a massive amount of articles (individual pages) to the wiki [19:44:32] how can I do it? [19:45:40] I'm making my wiki "agenda", for i want to introduce a massive amount of articles (individual pages) to the wiki simultaneously. How can I do it? [19:46:13] I'm making my wiki "agenda", AND i want to introduce a massive amount of articles (individual pages) to the wiki simultaneously. How can I do it? [19:47:41] I mean, I would prefer to edit a great amount of articles before, and then, publish them all at the same time in my wiki. Is this possible? [19:48:00] anyone? [19:48:05] Special:Import [19:48:22] any other way? [19:48:32] none that I know of [19:49:15] And thsi function... gets good results? [19:49:19] *this [19:49:44] *lotus[ensamble goes look for what Special:Import is [19:52:12] So... I should make a file before, and then import it, and that file should respect the structure of the Export files I can get with the Export function, Skizzerz ? [19:52:56] Is there any "export file" editting protocol [19:53:06] i mean.. i would have to create it myself [20:20:58] hi, how do i remove a file from the filelist?? [20:22:23] Delete it? [20:23:59] <^demon> Is Title::getText() going to return the namespace as well? [20:24:28] no [20:24:38] <^demon> That's what I needed, thanks :-) [20:24:57] yw [20:28:29] 03(mod) Add category namespace to $wgNamespacesWithSubpages on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12909 summary (10pathoschild) [20:50:00] 03(ASSIGNED) Automatic ("sticky") boilerplate message for sandbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3906 +comment (10innocentkiller) [20:50:42] 03(mod) Automatic ("sticky") boilerplate message for sandbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3906 +need-review +patch (10innocentkiller) [20:50:53] <^demon> ^ Input appreciated, if anyone's around. [20:51:50] 03(mod) Automatic ("sticky") boilerplate message for sandbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3906 (10innocentkiller) [20:52:18] 03(mod) Automatic ("sticky") boilerplate message for sandbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3906 (10innocentkiller) [20:52:23] <^demon> I swear that's it. [21:07:43] 03(mod) Indicate if an import failed due to revision limit on export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6646 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [21:10:24] Hiya, I need help with customizing Monobook if anyone can help! :) [21:10:45] I'm trying to get buttons of the Monobook into the body of the article, is it possible to do so? [21:11:29] 03siebrand * r34227 10/trunk/extensions/APC/ViewAPC.i18n.php: Fix special page name [21:15:38] how big is the database once it was completely exported from pages-articles.xml.bz2 ? [21:20:20] Is it possible to change sidebar "lower_case" in capitals in Monobook sidebar? [21:22:16] <^demon> I was looking at trying to begin a rewrite of the blocking system...being able to block per-permission would be nice. [21:23:10] <^demon> Thoughts? [21:27:42] I'm sure this gets asked a lot, but I've never asked it: How do I hide recentchanges and page histories from non-logged-in users? [21:28:58] !preventingaccess | Sasoriza [21:28:58] --mwbot-- Sasoriza: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [21:39:21] Anyone here or tis dead here? 0_o [21:39:30] <^demon> I'm around, but no one else seems to be. [21:40:13] Can't figure out how to put user, preferences to be put into the box, also edit, protect stuff too [21:41:54] <^demon> I'm not sure how to help you with that :( [21:44:11] *Moostatic sighs [21:44:32] Keep on breaking it, but getting slowly there XD [21:56:01] Is there any way to figure out the database Collation of a public wiki? [21:56:33] My local database has collation "latin1_general_ci", I think that's why my Semantic MediaWiki string queries are case-insensitive, but they're case-sensitive on some public wikis. [22:04:28] ack! [22:05:50] anyone here know anything about setting up and running a mediawiki or is this just for the running of the mediawiki wiki? [22:06:38] someone does, i'm sure; ask and you shall recieve answers [22:06:41] !ask | kury [22:06:41] --mwbot-- kury: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [22:07:33] Simetrical, that is my question........ is this chat for mediawiki admin support.........or for people to discuss the inner works of how to maintain the mediawiki site itself? [22:08:09] kury, yes [22:08:57] kury: both [22:08:59] This is not just for the http://mediawiki.org if that's what you're asking. [22:09:25] anyways I guess.... How do people get there wiki's setup so that the URL's show up as mydomain.com/MainPage instead of mydomain.com/mediawiki/MainPage do they just put the contents of the mediawiki folder in there public_html folder or is there a cleaner way? [22:09:54] skierpage, yes thats what I was trying to clarify... :P [22:10:44] kury, if you're on Apache then see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Apache_configuration [22:11:02] I think there's documentation for your specific question. [22:11:47] Not many sites are just mydomain.com/MainPage because it precludes having anything else on the web site unless you can detect the different format. [22:12:26] !shorturl [22:12:26] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [22:12:54] humm... well I'm running on apache but, its hosted by a web provider so I don't have access to that much configuration wise... [22:14:23] kury, you probably have access to .htaccess. [22:14:57] yup.. [22:18:15] On $wgWhitelistRead, how would one set certain items in the array to "false"? [22:18:52] Sasoriza, surely just delete them from the array? [22:19:44] 03(mod) Special:PrefixIndex paging links contain invalid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13949 (10danny_b) [22:19:45] 03(mod) XHTML compliance (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209 (10danny_b) [22:20:33] I didn't say that right. What I mean is, $wgWhitelistRead = array (item1, item2, etc.).. only shows what you want shown. I'm thinking in reverse, what I want NOT shown. [22:21:21] Urgh, still didn't explain that clearly... [22:22:31] I want everything visible except for certain special pages [22:23:31] can't do ['*']['read'] = array.... [22:25:30] don't think that would be secure [22:27:07] restricting read access to the main page and login page prevents the access checks from accidentally returning content among other page views (eg via transclusion, preload, editintro, export, search, diff, redirects, etc [22:27:08] mediawiki [22:27:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions [22:27:38] mediawiki [22:31:10] lonneman mediawiki mediawiki [22:32:06] why? [22:32:11] WTF? JS isn't working on localhost. [22:32:12] *Simetrical frowns [22:34:04] mediawiki [22:39:23] mediawiki [22:40:59] lonneman: we heard you the first 3 times [22:41:07] did you? [22:41:27] Simetrical: FF has a security preference for localhost JS [22:41:31] so why didn't you answer [22:41:49] (from file:/// anyway) [22:42:37] Simetrical: what exactly are ya trying to do? [22:42:40] lonneman: Maybe because he didn't know the answer, it is rude to repeat yourself on IRC; especially within such a short timeframe. [22:43:22] poor MinuteElectron [22:44:12] well, you didn't even ask a question to begin with, you just joined and started flooding the word mediawiki [22:44:20] And you didn't even ask a question from what I can see. [22:44:22] yeah [22:44:49] but the word mediawiki is beautiful [22:45:07] Then there's no need to wear it out. [22:45:18] don't you like the word? [22:45:53] lonneman: this channel is for mediawiki development and support, not for semantics, flooding, arguing, or trolling [22:46:09] poor Charitwo [22:46:30] I don't really care, but regardless of the beauty you percieve in it there is no need to repeat it on its own. [22:46:46] I am sorry then [22:47:05] I never meant to hurt you [22:47:10] hey guys what is the file permissions for localsettings.php [22:47:18] poor Dislo [22:47:28] what is it supposed to be [22:47:30] lonneman: You didn't hurt anyone, we just suggest for you to stop repeating yourself. [22:47:50] well, I did [22:48:06] Actually, this conversation is pointless -- I'm going to STFU. [22:48:18] poor MinuteElectron [22:48:26] Dislo: I've found that 600 works well for me [22:48:38] Skizzerz, thanks [22:48:53] you don't need to thank me, dislo? [22:49:30] does anyone have any recomendations on how to prevent spam [22:49:36] no [22:49:44] why? [22:49:48] lonneman: if you have no idea what you're talking about, please stfu [22:50:01] !e ConfirmEdit | Dislo [22:50:01] --mwbot-- Dislo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit [22:50:07] did I ask you, Skizzerz? [22:50:17] you are being rude [22:50:26] flyingparchment: poke [22:50:38] Skizzerz: i already tried, idle for several hours [22:50:38] no [22:50:42] not poke [22:50:47] *sigh* [22:51:05] why *sigh"? [22:51:24] jeronim: poke? [22:51:32] why? [22:51:35] Skizzerz: i tried the whole access list :| [22:51:41] -_- [22:51:49] Skizzerz: why? [22:52:37] Charitwo: would than mean staff are eligable to step in? [22:52:41] why? [22:52:49] not necessarily, they need to be on the access list [22:52:59] Charitwo: no they don't... [22:53:04] why, skizzerz? [22:53:18] in most cases where it is not cross-channel abuse, yes they do [22:53:20] lonneman: please stop, your actions are disruptive and annoying [22:53:29] skizzerz sucks [22:53:36] Charitwo: they automatically get contact access when they oper up [22:53:42] skizzerz sucks [22:53:46] lonneman: SHUT UP [22:53:51] no [22:54:16] Skizzerz: /ignore works and just because they have the power to do something, doesn't mean their guidelines are ones to ignore [22:54:32] Charitwo: already did [22:57:59] Skizzerz, thanks for the help [22:58:05] np [22:58:40] hmm... is the wmf config setup documented anywhere? [22:58:55] noc [22:59:07] http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ [22:59:14] thanks :) [23:00:23] !noc [23:00:23] --mwbot-- All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and [23:00:32] *Splarka aliased it to config [23:00:35] TimStarling: fashionably late ;) [23:00:54] it's 9:00 on the dot by my clock [23:01:04] he means you missed a swiss channel troll [23:01:47] *TimStarling has business cards [23:01:58] Splarka: I was just asking because I was thinking of coding a global new messages extension, so I needed to know how the wmf set it all up so it would work there [23:02:10] delivered by Fedex at 8:59, just as well I was up :) [23:02:13] Wikia has one... shared DB though... [23:02:20] because Wikia's == closed source == fail [23:02:57] *Splarka thinks of the business card scene in American Psycho [23:03:28] "That's bone. And the lettering is something called Sicilian Rail." [23:03:42] Hmmm, can anyone help me locate where in css monobook states what color is it's background [23:03:54] Not background, but actual central article where you "write" read [23:04:06] just skim monobook/main.css for 'background' [23:04:18] you mean the