[00:00:10] <Rothschild>	padding: 0 .8em .3em .5em;
[00:00:17] <Rothschild>	What is top, left, right and bottom?
[00:00:25] <Splarka>	top right bottom left
[00:00:29] <Rothschild>	thanks
[00:01:25] <CIA-50>	03brion * r34283 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): * (bug 13770) Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors
[00:01:26] <Splarka>	Rothschild: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp  is your friend <3
[00:01:45] <CIA-50>	03brion * r34284 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): * (bug 13770) Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors
[00:01:56] <Ktron>	How about including the text of Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:foobar in another page? that sound doable?
[00:02:28] <carl-m>	Pathoschild: there is an LDAP extension, will that help?
[00:02:43] <carl-m>	wait, he left after 90 seconds?
[00:02:49] <Splarka>	some special pages have been hacked to be transcludable, like Newpages, Newimages, Allpages, Prefixindex, Recentchanges
[00:02:52] <carl-m>	Splarka: yeah, very patient that one
[00:02:56] <Pathoschild>	carl-m: Hm?
[00:03:11] <carl-m>	Pathoschild: bumped a lever with my elbow, sorry
[00:03:11] <Dantman>	TimStarling: How different are the Hash and DOM preprocessors?
[00:03:15] <Pathoschild>	:)
[00:04:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  +comment (10brion)
[00:04:47] <brion>	Dantman: in theory, they are identical in what they do. but they store their internal data in different ways
[00:04:57] <brion>	(DOM uses an XML tree; Hash uses PHP hash arrays)
[00:05:00] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34285 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Do PG
[00:05:01] <Dantman>	Oh... ok
[00:05:05] <Dantman>	Hmmm...
[00:05:15] <brion>	the DOM version doesn't work on some PHP installations, as the DOM classes are sometimes not available
[00:05:16] <TimStarling>	I thought DOM would be more memory efficient, that's why I used it
[00:05:20] <TimStarling>	but it looks like it isn't
[00:05:27] <Dantman>	O_o
[00:05:28] <TimStarling>	they're both crap
[00:05:30] <brion>	this is PHP, nothing's ever efficient ;)
[00:05:31] <Dantman>	heh
[00:05:54] <Dantman>	So stick with the default instead of picking one in settings?
[00:05:59] <TimStarling>	DOM tree nodes are structures as long as your arm
[00:06:05] <TimStarling>	with a million 64-bit pointers
[00:06:47] <TimStarling>	you can pick one in your settings if you have some reason to
[00:09:11] <Rothschild>	Does anyone know why p-cactions may get a little leftover on the ride side of the button in IE?
[00:11:17] <brion>	Rothschild: er, leftover what?
[00:11:46] <Rothschild>	brion, 1 second
[00:15:39] <cjb>	Rats.  Tried the eswiki full articles import on a faster machine, and it still looks like it'll take weeks.
[00:16:03] <cjb>	I guess it might go faster if I decompressed the .7zip instead of having it done in a pipeline, but I doubt I have the disk space for that..
[00:16:05] <brion>	cjb: you doing importDump.php or using a separate SQL importer?
[00:16:17] <cjb>	brion: 7ze | java -jar mwdumper | mysql
[00:17:21] <brion>	ah, with full history? yeah that's gonna be slowish whatever you do :D
[00:17:24] <brion>	at least it's not enwiki
[00:17:33] <cjb>	Yeah, looks like five days estimated.
[00:17:46] <cjb>	(1.5 pages/sec.)
[00:17:53] <brion>	pipelining is probably the most efficient thing, if this is a multicore machine
[00:18:21] <cjb>	yeah, it is.
[00:19:06] <Dantman>	mmm... pipes
[00:19:57] <Dantman>	^_^ My SVN commit update daemon uses a pipe... heh... It's quite nice
[00:19:58] *brion 	wonders what Dantman is smoking in those pipes
[00:20:02] <Dantman>	lol
[00:20:18] <Dantman>	^_^ Nah... I'm redirecting the smoke to the garbage collector
[00:20:54] <Dantman>	smoke < pipe > /dev/gc1
[00:20:59] *BTZ 	curses
[00:27:42] <Dantman>	Eeek... brion a minor release?
[00:30:01] <brion>	Dantman: 1.12.1 should be.... whenever i've got a couple hours to finish packaging it ;)
[00:30:28] <Dantman>	I was hoping to get one or two minor changes into 1.12 if you'd permit it...
[00:30:40] <brion>	can be done :)
[00:30:55] <brion>	but we shouldn't tarry; i've dragged my feet a while already 
[00:31:36] <Dantman>	The lesser was $wgSharedDBtables... Other than the fact that I'm actually using a hacked version just to use it... Wikia appears to want it... It's nonly a minor change and I'm running it quite fine live
[00:31:48] <Dantman>	But more important was the tweak to commandLine.inc
[00:32:02] <Dantman>	The one which allows use of the MW_INSTALL_PATH environment variable
[00:32:14] <brion>	the commandline change sounds good. small tweak, nice flexibility
[00:32:20] <Simetrical>	Dantman, SharedDBtables was reverted, wasn't it?
[00:32:26] <Dantman>	Was it?
[00:32:39] <brion>	on the shared tables thing, a) make it prettier ;) and b) do take a look at that existing bug/patch i noted in my revert message
[00:32:44] <Simetrical>	brion, you're going to make Hash the default before testing it on Wikimedia?  (Or are you not planning to do that anyway?)
[00:32:47] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34286 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUserArray.php: Fix warning
[00:32:50] <cjb>	I noticed there's page hit counts for enwiki available.. can I get them for eswiki somewhere too?
[00:33:15] <Dantman>	I've tweaked some extensions to support the cli changes... But unless you have 1.13 it doesn't honnor that for the settings files
[00:33:16] <brion>	Simetrical: probably would be wise to do some extra live testing on it
[00:33:32] <brion>	ask tim if he thinks it's ok to just switch it in or if we want some side-by-side testing
[00:33:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to watch the user pages of users you block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13950  (10innocentkiller)
[00:33:51] *Dantman 	needs to find a way to actually watch svn
[00:34:52] <Simetrical>	brion, last I checked he's in the room, you can ask him yourself.  :)
[00:34:57] <Simetrical>	Dantman, subscribe to MediaWiki-CVS-l?
[00:35:08] <Dantman>	I used to
[00:35:21] <Dantman>	But it didn't work out well
[00:35:29] <Dantman>	It piled up, and most of it was pointless
[00:35:39] <Dantman>	I need a good reader that just shows me the log entries
[00:35:40] *brion 	notes preprocessor testing issue to TimStarling :)
[00:35:52] <Dantman>	And lets me bookmark my last location
[00:38:12] <cjb>	Hm, last question:  What's the preferred method for generating a map of pages to the number of incoming links to those pages?
[00:41:23] <Dantman>	brion: ^_^ I actually have 2 or 3 other ways to change tableName... I just chose one with the least changes and best backwards compatibility... The one least likely to have any bugs
[00:41:33] <brion>	:)
[00:41:34] <Dantman>	Actually, I have a complete rewrite...
[00:41:39] <Dantman>	lemme dig it up
[00:41:42] *brion 	gotta head out, catch ya later
[00:41:45] <Dantman>	Awww
[00:42:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to watch the user pages of users you block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13950  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:43:15] <cjb>	Bah, Googling for [rank incoming links] is dominated by SEO stuff :)
[00:43:17] <Dantman>	O_O What... You mean my old patch used a variable named $wgSharedTables... What a coincidence
[00:43:28] <cjb>	(even when "mediawiki"'s at the front
[00:49:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  (10innocentkiller)
[00:50:08] <cjb>	Splarka: any ideas on how to generate a list of pages by number of incoming links?
[00:51:44] <jlerner>	the api supports query on title substring , right?
[00:52:29] <jlerner>	http://organizedwisdom.com/api.php?action=query&list=search&srwhat=title&srsearch=lyme
[00:54:01] *jlerner 	tries to figure out why http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Search_Suggest doesn't just use the ap
[00:54:01] <jlerner>	i
[00:54:27] <Simetrical>	cjb, a very simple and horribly expensive database query would do it.
[00:54:28] <jlerner>	rather than write a function like wfAjaxSearchSuggest()
[00:57:25] <cjb>	Simetrical: ah.  nothing already available, then?  what would the db query look like, roughly?
[00:57:41] <cjb>	it seems like you want to avoid the O(n^2) comparison that a db query would probably involve
[00:58:01] <cjb>	instead maybe you want to get a hash of article->incoming links, and increment it every time you come across such a link.
[00:58:41] <Simetrical>	cjb, SELECT page_namespace, page_title, COUNT(*) FROM page JOIN pagelinks ON page_namespace=pl_namespace AND page_title=pl_title GROUP BY page_id ORDER BY COUNT(*) DESC LIMIT 100
[00:58:52] <Simetrical>	Yes, that's what you'd want.
[00:59:11] <cjb>	gosh.  thanks!  is that pseudo-sql or working-sql?  :)
[00:59:13] <Simetrical>	Hmm, actually, you don't need the join.
[00:59:28] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34287 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Send wfDeprecated notices to the debug log only. We don't actually want to fix all of these occurrences.
[00:59:42] <Simetrical>	SELECT pl_namespace, pl_title, COUNT(*) FROM pagelinks GROUP BY pl_namespace, pl_title ORDER BY COUNT(*) DESC LIMIT 100
[00:59:44] <Simetrical>	Should be working SQL.
[00:59:57] <cjb>	Super.  Thanks!
[01:00:15] <Splarka>	page backlinks are registered with each page so that when a page is created/deleted the backlinks can be traced and link colors styled appropriately
[01:00:17] <Simetrical>	It will scan an entire index and filesort the results on disk.
[01:00:22] <Splarka>	eg <a class="new">
[01:00:29] <cjb>	Simetrical: Oh, excellent.
[01:00:37] <Dantman>	T_T Crap... I'm torn between making a suitable new tableName method better than all suggestions... And actually finishing my assignment that is due tomorrow... arg
[01:00:39] <Simetrical>	Since MySQL is too stupid to realize that it can immediately discard results below the 100th place, and keep the top 100 in memory.
[01:00:45] <Splarka>	(and other things, like Image usage, #ifexist checks, etc)
[01:00:48] <Simetrical>	So you may as well drop the LIMIT and dump the output in a file.
[01:01:04] <cjb>	I was going to be taking something more like 200k than 100, anyway :)
[01:01:22] <Simetrical>	In that case you could make it run a lot faster by dumping everything to a file without the ORDER BY clause.
[01:01:33] <Simetrical>	Then do whatever processing you like on the output with awk, sort, etc.
[01:01:37] <cjb>	Sounds good.
[01:01:42] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34288 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): 
[01:01:42] <CIA-50>	* Tweak key user
[01:01:42] <CIA-50>	* Tweak CSS
[01:01:45] <cjb>	Yay.  This should be fun.
[01:01:45] <Simetrical>	I did that recently on the toolserver with a similar query.
[01:01:53] <cjb>	Thanks for the help.
[01:02:04] <Simetrical>	The query itself took 2 hours 20 minutes or so, then a handful of minutes to do the sorting using Unix utilities.
[01:02:15] <Simetrical>	With filesorting, the query itself might have taken days for all I know.
[01:03:29] <TimStarling>	+                       $p = MD5($key.$uid.$imgP.$tmpP.$rid);
[01:03:37] <TimStarling>	the function is md5(), not MD5()
[01:05:44] <AaronSchulz>	ok
[01:06:23] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34289 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: MD5 -> md5
[01:08:58] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34290 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preprocessor_Hash.php: E_STRICT
[01:09:14] <Hiker1352>	All the SVGs on my site are being converted to PNG, even when left unscaled. Is there anyway around this?
[01:10:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) For pages on watchlist save last seen version number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536  (10brianriab)
[01:12:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Permissions in SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13964 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: MetaVidWiki; (johnf)
[01:14:29] <Splarka>	Hiker1352: that is normal
[01:15:34] <Hiker1352>	All the SVGs I made look terrible though. Is there any way to make them resize better? I thought the whole point of using SVGs was smaller file size with great quality on images that are able to be stored as vectors.
[01:15:55] <Splarka>	are you using imagemagick or rsvg?
[01:16:05] <Hiker1352>	I believe imagemagick
[01:19:21] <cjb>	Simetrical: Oh, hmph, I don't have a pagelinks table after importing the articles.xml.
[01:19:23] <Splarka>	well, give rsvg a try, usually better quality and speed
[01:19:29] <cjb>	(Or rather, the pagelinks table is empty.)
[01:20:11] <Splarka>	but note that no mediawiki svg rendering system can predict all.. svg will look terrible with unsupported fonts (unless converted to paths), external references to images, and embedded bitmap images
[01:20:23] <Splarka>	er, ^cannot predict all
[01:20:27] <cjb>	Is there some way to generate pagelinks, or it is only ever created incrementally?
[01:21:53] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG_benchmarks
[01:24:09] <cjb>	oh!  separate pagelinks.sql.gz download.  great.
[01:29:15] <Simetrical>	cjb, you can also run rebuildLinks.php.
[01:29:25] <Simetrical>	Or refreshLinks.php, whatever it's called.
[01:29:27] <Simetrical>	In maintenance/.
[01:30:04] <cjb>	Simetrical: s'okay, just doing mysql < pagelinks.sql works fine
[01:31:06] <cjb>	hm, is passing -default-character-set=utf8 at every invocation of mysql still necessary?
[01:31:22] <cjb>	(mysql 5.0)
[01:39:08] <Simetrical>	I'm pretty sure you want a binary character set to use Wikimedia dumps, don't you?
[01:39:25] <cjb>	Simetrical: dumps of the article xml?
[01:39:30] <Simetrical>	Oh, hmm.
[01:39:40] <cjb>	there aren't any images.
[01:39:42] <Simetrical>	Well, some Wikipedia pages have non-BMP characters.
[01:39:51] <Simetrical>	Those don't work in MySQL utf8 last I checked.
[01:40:10] *Simetrical 	tries to fix bug 13964 and realizes he has no idea how
[01:40:59] <cjb>	huh.  the mwdumper page sugggests utf8.
[01:41:41] <Simetrical>	I dunno.
[01:41:47] <Simetrical>	Never tried it.
[01:44:56] <cjb>	huh.  ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 28: Duplicate entry '76-0-?' for key 1
[01:45:09] <cjb>	Maybe that's due to utf-8?
[01:46:02] <cjb>	well, the pagelinks.sql certainly looks like utf8.  I don't get it.
[01:47:19] <cjb>	odd:
[01:47:21] <cjb>	thunk:cjb~ % grep 76-0- eswiki-20080416-pagelinks.sql                          
[01:47:21] <cjb>	thunk:cjb~ %                              
[01:49:23] <Simetrical>	cjb, the storage format used by Wikimedia is UTF-8 stored as raw binary data.
[01:49:29] <Simetrical>	MySQL doesn't know about the encoding.
[01:49:55] <Simetrical>	pagelinks has no unique keys anyway, does it?
[01:50:18] <cjb>	Simetrical: hmph, ok.
[01:50:18] <Simetrical>	No, it does, a covering index.
[01:50:31] <cjb>	should I pass --default-character-set at all, then? 
[01:50:39] <Simetrical>	I don't know, I haven't done this myself.
[01:50:43] <cjb>	ok.
[01:50:52] <Simetrical>	I just know that Wikimedia uses a binary schema (which it has to, in fact, since it uses MySQL 4.0).
[01:50:58] <cjb>	*nod*
[01:56:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow skin CSS to be flushed remotely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8433  (10md5)
[02:01:37] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34291 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: Downgrading this error because it happens sometimes due to user input
[02:05:27] <Charitwo>	TimStarling: is Angela available? we're looking for her
[02:06:57] <TimStarling>	what for?
[02:07:10] <Charitwo>	a desysop at wikia
[02:08:16] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34292 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): no-wrap
[02:08:59] <TimStarling>	she says she did it already
[02:09:24] <Charitwo>	oh, refreshed
[02:16:38] <Fire>	wb
[02:19:30] <Charitwo>	thanks, that was really wierd
[02:19:32] <Charitwo>	esp when you're in like 30 channels
[02:26:16] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, is it just me, or did r34291 fix a potential XSS vector?
[02:26:29] <Simetrical>	Maybe Exception should htmlspecialchars() its message.  It seems it usually doesn't do so.
[02:26:39] <Simetrical>	(Of course, only relevant if exception details set to show.)
[02:26:58] <TimStarling>	it does
[02:27:16] <TimStarling>	exception messages are plain text, not HTML
[02:27:48] <TimStarling>			if( $wgShowExceptionDetails ) {
[02:27:49] <TimStarling>				return '<p>' . htmlspecialchars( $this->getMessage() ) .
[02:30:05] <sknh>	ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException, any idea anyone? output here --> http://rafb.net/p/EBPOTN54.html
[02:30:52] <sknh>	I am trying to create an index using LuceneSearch.jar org.wikimedia.lsearch.importer.Importer
[02:31:24] <TimStarling>	it's a bug
[02:32:14] <TimStarling>	maybe you should try different versions of xerces
[02:36:00] <TimStarling>	Simetrical: are you understanding me? There was no XSS vector because exception messages are plain text
[02:36:41] <TimStarling>	they're escaped whenever they're converted to HTML, i.e. not by the caller
[02:50:22] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34293 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Exception.php: Maybe you missed the difference between getHTML and getText... One returns HTML, and one returns text.
[02:50:47] <Charitwo>	heh
[03:01:59] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34294 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: 
[03:01:59] <CIA-50>	* Fix autopromote, wasn't working
[03:01:59] <CIA-50>	* Remove garbage ','
[03:05:32] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34295 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Remove debug line
[04:45:53] <Jutiphan>	Hi
[04:46:06] <Jutiphan>	I have a question regarding Mediawiki API
[04:46:12] <Jutiphan>	For some reasons, I passed in 360 page titles
[04:46:16] <Jutiphan>	and the query only return 50
[04:46:47] <Jutiphan>	I am puzzled
[04:46:54] <Jutiphan>	Before it would return all page titles just fine
[04:49:30] <Jutiphan>	Anyone here?
[04:56:36] <Splarka>	Jutiphan: possibly http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php?r1=33276&r2=34161
[04:56:43] <Jutiphan>	yes
[04:56:46] <Jutiphan>	I just realized it
[04:56:52] <Jutiphan>	someone hardcoded the limit at 51 3 days ago
[04:57:03] <Splarka>	there was talk here a few days ago about a possible DOS vector
[04:57:39] <Jutiphan>	    const LIMIT_BIG1 = 500; // Fast query, std user limit
[04:57:42] <Jutiphan>	    const LIMIT_BIG2 = 5000; // Fast query, bot/sysop limit
[04:57:43] <Jutiphan>	    const LIMIT_SML1 = 50; // Slow query, std user limit
[04:57:44] <Jutiphan>	    const LIMIT_SML2 = 500; // Slow query, bot/sysop limit
[04:57:54] <Jutiphan>	I understand
[04:57:55] <Splarka>	[04:06:05] <AaronSchulz>	Sparkla: what is the upper limit on the # of users?
[04:58:02] <Splarka>	[04:06:10] <AaronSchulz>	there better be one
[04:58:02] <Jutiphan>	but please use the limit const instead
[04:58:18] <Jutiphan>	Ii mean
[04:58:25] <Jutiphan>	allow bot/sysop to get higher limits
[04:58:36] <Jutiphan>	because my bot now grab only 50 instead of much higher numbers
[04:58:49] <Splarka>	talk to whoever btongminh is ^_^
[04:58:54] <Jutiphan>	basically it will cause more overhaead because insead of query one time, I have to request bots to grab multiple times
[04:59:27] <Jutiphan>	this is very legitimate use, so just allow bots & sysops with much higher limit would be fine. 
[04:59:39] <Splarka>	bugzilla
[05:00:25] <Jutiphan>	.........
[05:01:55] <Jutiphan>	okay
[05:04:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Hardcoded 51 limit on titles is too limiting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13965 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (jutiphan)
[05:06:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hardcoded 51 limit on titles is too limiting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13965  15enhancement->minor (10jutiphan)
[05:06:34] <Jutiphan>	Argh
[05:06:54] <VasilievVV>	Hm...
[05:07:06] <Jutiphan>	Wasted quite a bit of my time
[05:07:10] <Jutiphan>	debugging this problem in my bot
[05:07:19] <Jutiphan>	because normally
[05:07:23] <Jutiphan>	the query would return like
[05:07:26] <Jutiphan>	reach maximum
[05:07:30] <Jutiphan>	instead of returning the results
[05:07:45] <Jutiphan>	i thought there was something wrong with parsing and stuff
[05:09:17] <Jutiphan>	What program do you normally use for IRC?
[05:09:22] <Jutiphan>	I think I should keep mself logged in here
[05:09:30] <Jutiphan>	so that I get notified of the changes
[05:12:48] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
[05:13:01] <CIA-50>	03vasilievvv * r34296 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php: * (bug 13965) Hardcoded 51 limit on titles is too limiting
[05:13:34] <Jutiphan>	oh Thank you vasilievvv
[05:13:37] <Jutiphan>	That was quite quick
[05:13:58] <VasilievVV>	np
[05:14:11] <VasilievVV>	Now it's 501 for bots and sysops
[05:18:56] <Jutiphan>	Since you are here
[05:18:59] <Jutiphan>	I have a another quick question
[05:18:59] <CIA-50>	03vasilievvv * r34297 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: + RELEASE-NOTES
[05:19:16] <Jutiphan>	Is it possible to request categorymembers from multiple categories at once?
[05:19:41] <Jutiphan>	It would be another good feature to add
[05:20:32] <VasilievVV>	probably
[05:20:38] <Jutiphan>	Also
[05:20:44] <Splarka>	can't be used with the generator, and cmtitle takes one parameter only, so doesn't seem currently possible
[05:21:00] <Jutiphan>	Is it technically possible to add a feature to get recentchanges based on the articles in a given category?
[05:21:10] <Jutiphan>	The scenario for this would be
[05:21:18] <Jutiphan>	checking if there is a new article added to the category 
[05:21:22] <Splarka>	like Recentchangeslinked/Category:Foo ?
[05:21:47] <Jutiphan>	so that can implement features like (check for wikiProject signs) instead of going through all of them again, wasting bandwidth on your side
[05:21:55] <Jutiphan>	or check if new FA article is added
[05:22:09] <Jutiphan>	hmm... no
[05:22:16] <Jutiphan>	recentchangeslinked doesn't seem to work right
[05:22:30] <Jutiphan>	for some reasons
[05:22:36] <Splarka>	well, it only works from active category members, it can't tell you if a category was removed for example
[05:22:44] <Jutiphan>	oh okay
[05:22:54] <Jutiphan>	I tried look into it once
[05:23:06] <Jutiphan>	when I was going to try get a new article in FA category in en wikipedia
[05:23:11] <Jutiphan>	so that I can add FA template in Thai Wikipedia
[05:23:18] <Jutiphan>	recentchangelink dosen't give me that info.
[05:24:12] <Jutiphan>	I have 2 main scenarios to use with recent changes based on categories
[05:24:24] <Jutiphan>	if technically possible, may save some time
[05:25:15] <Splarka>	well, the problem with RCL on a category like FA, is there are constant continual changes made to all the existing FA pages
[05:25:27] <Splarka>	any additions would get buried/swamped 
[05:25:45] <Jutiphan>	that's true
[05:25:52] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34298 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Fix typo and slave lag issue
[05:26:01] <Splarka>	you're looking for ~1 edit a day, when there are probably 2500 a day
[05:26:28] <Jutiphan>	Yeah, I ddin't think about that. Thai Wikipedia doesn't have anywhere near # of edits a day as English Wikipedia
[05:27:14] <Splarka>	hmm, you'd probably want to watch edits to the templates associated with it
[05:27:45] <Jutiphan>	OK. I will look into it once more
[05:27:54] <Jutiphan>	and see if it is usable for those 2 scenarios
[05:28:14] <Jutiphan>	I haven't implemented the Link FA feature yet, because I don't want to check all the FA articles so far (so much in English Wikipedia)
[05:28:32] <Jutiphan>	but right now I can see if I can use it for the feature to auto add wikiProjects template
[05:28:37] <Splarka>	heh, yah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article
[05:28:43] <Jutiphan>	right now it has to go through all the pages in the article
[05:29:27] <Jutiphan>	The link you gave however dosen't give the article names
[05:30:39] <Jutiphan>	another question
[05:30:46] <Jutiphan>	how long does it take for the changes in the sourcecode
[05:30:56] <Jutiphan>	to get into en wikipedia and other languages?
[05:31:06] <Jutiphan>	for mediawiki API
[05:31:28] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access#Going_live
[05:32:03] <Splarka>	can be daily to weekly depending on backlog
[05:32:32] <Splarka>	btw: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7148
[05:33:40] <Jutiphan>	oh great
[05:33:46] <Jutiphan>	i might vote in on it then
[05:33:58] <Jutiphan>	yeah
[05:33:59] <Splarka>	"Since there isn't necessarily an editing action with which to associate such a
[05:33:59] <Splarka>	change, it might be a little tricky to work out how to stuff it in there... But
[05:33:59] <Splarka>	something's probably possible."
[05:34:01] <Jutiphan>	this is exactly what i want
[05:34:02] <Splarka>	is an interesting point
[05:34:13] <Splarka>	{{CURRENTDAY}} for example can change a category on a page
[05:34:20] <Splarka>	and that won't have effect until the page is next cached
[05:34:28] <Splarka>	should the watchlist show the purge, last edit, or what?
[05:34:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting watchlist for changes to category content. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7148  (10jutiphan)
[05:34:46] <Jutiphan>	i think what the bug is saying
[05:34:52] <Jutiphan>	is the changes of addition and deletion
[05:34:56] <Jutiphan>	that's all i really want actually
[05:34:58] <Splarka>	another example... say a highly used template is changed to categorize pages it is on in a different way
[05:35:06] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) PATCH: fix for shared user table with $wgSharedDB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2396  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[05:35:09] <Splarka>	that could take hours to get through the job queue
[05:35:29] <Jutiphan>	ok, well just tracks of adding & deleting would be sufficient
[05:35:30] <Splarka>	but the page that has the template would have no edits to it
[05:35:33] <Splarka>	...
[05:35:41] <Splarka>	well, per what I just said
[05:35:51] <Splarka>	what should happen if a page is effectively removed from a category by a template
[05:35:57] <Splarka>	should this watchlist show the edit to that template?
[05:36:02] <Jutiphan>	i guess..
[05:36:03] <Splarka>	what if it happened 12 hours earlier?
[05:36:12] <Jutiphan>	which ever way is more convenient for you to implement
[05:36:19] <Splarka>	heh, me? I am just talking theoretical
[05:36:33] <Splarka>	well, another example
[05:36:44] <Jutiphan>	well.. in terms of using it from bot perspective, that case doesn't make much differences
[05:37:07] <Jutiphan>	ok, what's another example?
[05:37:13] <Splarka>	[[Category:{{CURRENTDAY}}]] on a random page
[05:37:23] <Splarka>	say you're watching Category:6
[05:37:30] <Splarka>	that will not magically update when the date rolls over
[05:37:38] <Splarka>	it will remain cached until the page is edited or purged manually
[05:38:00] <Splarka>	therefore there is no actual logged change that corresponds to the page being added or removed from the category
[05:38:13] <Splarka>	but the change is user-instigated
[05:38:24] <Splarka>	(unless the cache is simply allowed to expire)
[05:38:27] <Jutiphan>	yeah
[05:38:29] <Splarka>	what should show in the change log?
[05:38:39] <Jutiphan>	I can forsee the technical implementations regarding it
[05:38:44] <Jutiphan>	that's why I asked is it even possible to do it
[05:38:51] <Splarka>	and yet, people will complain the tool is incomplete/broken when it doesn't report these:/
[05:39:01] <Jutiphan>	today actually
[05:39:04] <Jutiphan>	I noticed one problem too
[05:39:21] <Jutiphan>	somehow the redirect template (wikiProject template) dooesn't add the articles into the categories
[05:39:22] <Splarka>	so whoever does this will have to probably implement a large schema change (and not only to record category member histories)
[05:39:37] <Jutiphan>	but articles with the main wikiProject template's name (not redirect one) got added to the category properly
[05:40:04] <Jutiphan>	I think it's going to be hard
[05:40:10] <Jutiphan>	implementation that kind of feature
[05:40:30] <Jutiphan>	but at least
[05:40:38] <Jutiphan>	I believe it might be possible to get basic features working
[05:40:46] <Splarka>	so your best bet is recentchangeslinked, or watch whatever usually happens when things are added or removed from the category in question
[05:41:13] <Splarka>	in the case of featured articles, a subpage summary about the article is made in the project namespace as a subpage of the project page
[05:41:39] <Jutiphan>	where?
[05:41:53] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article
[05:42:01] <Jutiphan>	yeah
[05:42:05] <Jutiphan>	but the problem is it just return the dates
[05:42:09] <Jutiphan>	not the article names itself
[05:42:14] <Splarka>	well, you have to check it of course
[05:42:24] <Splarka>	or use the template on a page you're checking daily, heh
[05:42:48] <Jutiphan>	yeah
[05:42:50] <Jutiphan>	but it's fragile
[05:43:00] <Jutiphan>	because of Regex have to handle grabing the title of the page
[05:43:03] <Jutiphan>	which may be different
[05:43:06] <Jutiphan>	from day to day
[05:43:34] <Splarka>	yah
[05:43:36] <Jutiphan>	and it dosen't handle the case when getting multiple days very well (meaning one query for each day, can't request muiltple pages in one query)
[05:44:05] <Jutiphan>	well ignore that
[05:44:17] <Jutiphan>	another thing they can do 
[05:44:23] <Jutiphan>	is create category for each month of the FA articles
[05:44:30] <Jutiphan>	but that's up to en wikipedia to implement that
[05:44:35] <Jutiphan>	that would be helpful already
[05:44:44] <Jutiphan>	at least make it down to 31 max to check for the month
[05:44:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Permissions in SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13964  +comment (10dale)
[05:44:52] <Splarka>	well, some sort of 'featured article' rss feed has been done on some wikis
[05:45:00] <Splarka>	(Wikia IIRC has something like it)
[05:45:17] <Jutiphan>	FA interlinks is another thing for bot to solve 
[05:45:29] <Jutiphan>	there is pywiki code already
[05:45:36] <Jutiphan>	but i am quite sure it is done in a ineffcient way
[05:46:40] <Jutiphan>	hey Splarka
[05:46:45] <Jutiphan>	It's nice talking with you
[05:46:55] <Jutiphan>	I am going to go rest now
[05:47:02] <Jutiphan>	then work on the bot and other things later
[05:47:04] <Jutiphan>	Thanks!
[05:47:05] <Splarka>	rar
[05:47:05] <CIA-50>	03dale * r34299 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (4 files in 4 dirs): minor IE fixes, added cancel button
[05:47:14] <Splarka>	enjoy
[05:47:31] <Splarka>	ew, chatzilla
[05:47:33] <drkralle>	Moin !
[05:48:05] <drkralle>	where i can find the german version of mediawiki ?
[05:49:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) On paged categories, article totals and subcat totals are incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[05:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[05:50:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Standard, Nostalgia skins show border on the site logo in MSIE 8 beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13367 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (brion)
[05:50:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  (10huji.huji)
[05:50:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use listboxes instead of comboboxes for reason in deletion and protection dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13843  (10AlexSm)
[05:50:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13869  (10alefzet)
[05:52:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Protect tags from being removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13966 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (stanley)
[05:53:20] <killian_dodo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
[05:53:40] <killian_dodo>	drkralle, here
[05:55:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Permissions in SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13964  (10dale)
[06:17:20] <Dantman>	TimStarling: I need a hook similar to ParserBeforeStrip, cept I need it to also be called on fetched template text... I tried putting on in the preprocessor, it worked nicely... Except it was also called by the save transformations and ended up turning into a subst thing which I don't want...
[06:18:17] <TimStarling>	for what wiki?
[06:18:51] <Dantman>	Various...
[06:19:38] <Dantman>	It's for extensions relating to transwiki stuff and macros... I need a hook that allows for injection of WikiText before the parser does anything
[06:21:19] <Dantman>	Ideally it would also know a bit of information about the data... Namely it's page title...
[06:21:50] <Dantman>	Part of the idea is also to allow an extension to create a sort of Template commons system
[06:23:30] <Dantman>	I have an ugly theory or two... But you'd probably be best at finding a good place to put one since you designed it
[06:32:40] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: A commons template system already exists, no?
[06:32:45] <MinuteElectron>	I seam to recall Wikia using it.
[06:32:54] <Dantman>	Nope they don't
[06:33:02] <Dantman>	They use scary transclusions.... eeeek
[06:33:11] <Splarka>	they aren't called scary for nothing ^_^
[06:33:30] <Dantman>	^_^ And that's why I'm trying to build a TransWiki extension which doesn't do things in evil ways
[06:33:52] <Splarka>	what will you do about things like css classes?
[06:34:05] <Splarka>	(or will you trust users not to use them in the repository...)
[06:34:08] <Dantman>	That's mostly out of the scope
[06:34:43] <Dantman>	The scope of this is to transclude WikiText only... Sharing of CSS/JS is left to another implementation
[06:35:00] <Splarka>	images? sub-templates? categories? existence checks?
[06:35:03] <Dantman>	Modularization basically... WikiText to one CSS/JS to another, and such
[06:35:03] <MinuteElectron>	When restricted enough, i.e. to one namespace, on one wiki; surely that is secureD  enough?
[06:35:29] <Dantman>	Eh?
[06:36:39] <MinuteElectron>	sorry, my SSh is lagging
[06:37:07] <MinuteElectron>	What I meant to say was: surely, when restricted to one namespace on one wiki, scary transclusion is secure?
[06:37:20] <MinuteElectron>	Or are you concerned about domain hijacking?
[06:37:21] <Dantman>	No clue...
[06:37:47] <Splarka>	secure is one thing, the scary part is getting the damn things to work at all
[06:37:49] <Dantman>	The real issue is parameters and that awfull caching
[06:38:03] <MinuteElectron>	Can't you fix the core implementation =D
[06:38:20] <Splarka>	images, magic words, parameters and variables, parser functions, partial html, styles...
[06:38:32] <Splarka>	I don't recall anything actually "working" unless substed, other than plain text and wikitables
[06:38:40] <Dantman>	Actually... Honnestly, I tried enabling it on my setup, and it utterly failed
[06:38:48] <MinuteElectron>	Fair enough.
[06:38:56] <MinuteElectron>	(You could still fix it though ;)
[06:39:08] <Dantman>	Little different purpose
[06:39:25] <Dantman>	That's for transcluding a template from another wiki
[06:39:57] <MinuteElectron>	Abd what would yours do?
[06:39:59] <Splarka>	so you're thinking something akin to the MediaWiki: namespace defaults, but overwritable and refreshed from a central repository?
[06:40:00] <Dantman>	I'm trying to set it up so certain templates on the wiki can be transcluded but actually have content from another wiki
[06:40:21] <MinuteElectron>	eh?
[06:40:40] <Dantman>	Maybe it's easier if I explain an implementation usage...
[06:40:53] <Dantman>	Say Template:Stub is on the Animepedia on Wikia...
[06:42:20] <Pinchie>	Hey guys and girls
[06:42:30] <Dantman>	The Narutopedia is part of the same project and it could be configured to use certain templates from the Animepedia... Meaning that using {{Stub}} would actually be using WikiText from the Animepedia because Template:Stub either contains a syntax for transwiking from the Animepedia, or does not exist and is using Animepedia as a commons
[06:42:40] <Pinchie>	S'probably dead in here given the US people are asleep :P
[06:43:10] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: So like how the shared images system works, but for templateS?
[06:43:26] <MinuteElectron>	cool, I've got to run now; bye.
[06:43:35] <Dantman>	Pretty much... Cept the initial thing being worked on is pulling the wikitext from the other wiki
[06:43:43] <Pinchie>	Anyone got a few minutes to help me figure out what's going on with my wiki? I've got time to wait if needed :)
[06:44:07] <Dantman>	You can't do that with scary transclusions because this kind of thing needs to be done before the parser has dealt with variables and such
[06:44:12] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[06:45:16] <Pinchie>	Hey
[06:45:28] <Dantman>	:/ Just ask your question
[06:45:40] <Pinchie>	I've just recovered what's left of my wiki after someone decided to try and upgrade it while I was away
[06:45:51] <Pinchie>	Which was basically nothing.
[06:46:10] <Pinchie>	I restored the database and lost the images and extensions.. but given I've got the text that's all fine.
[06:46:21] <Pinchie>	The problem however, is that my templates don't work any more.
[06:46:55] <Pinchie>	It's been so damn long since I wrote them that I can't remember what the hell could be going wrong.
[06:47:01] <Pinchie>	http://wiki.anz317.com/index.php?title=Template:Userbox
[06:47:41] <Pinchie>	That's the main one that gets used. It's complex though..
[06:47:45] <Dantman>	:/ You don't have ParserFunctions installed
[06:47:53] <Pinchie>	Ah bingo
[06:47:57] <Pinchie>	I knew it'd be something stupid
[06:48:01] <Dantman>	heh
[06:48:11] <Pinchie>	This is what I get for having to reinstall from scratch and being an idiot :)
[06:48:17] <Dantman>	^_^ Well... you want to see some nice complexity
[06:48:23] <Pinchie>	Thank you heaps :)
[06:49:40] <Dantman>	Awww crap... SMW broke
[06:50:02] <Dantman>	Probably from fixing up namespaces... Or maybe that maintenance script
[06:53:34] <Dantman>	Aww crap... it was the namespaces
[06:53:51] <Dantman>	Used the SMW constants before they were defined
[06:56:54] <Nikerabbit>	xerr
[06:57:08] <Nikerabbit>	wtf are deprecated functions that aren't deprecated?
[06:58:05] <Splarka>	maybe they meant depreciated.. as in only slightly worth less than they used to be ^_^
[06:58:15] <Dantman>	heh
[07:00:48] <Nikerabbit>	could just as hell not to throw garbage do debug log in my opinion, nobody notices those from there
[07:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Closure of several Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vasilvv)
[07:11:42] <_wooz>	lo
[07:22:43] <zocky>	is the confirmation email sent out immediately at registration, if the user enters the mail address?
[07:23:12] <MrZ-man>	I believe so
[07:23:21] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not sure
[07:24:24] <VasilievVV>	Maybe it's queued
[07:24:25] <zocky>	can I require the user to confirm the email before they can log in?
[07:24:52] <drkralle>	Gibts hier irgendwelche Deutsche ?
[07:25:11] <drkralle>	Ich hab so nen gemeinnützigen Verein und brauch hilfe bei so einem Mediawiki Projekt von uns
[07:25:11] <Splarka>	zocky: you can restrict them from doing anything except creating an account, before they confirm their email
[07:25:14] <Splarka>	close enough? heh
[07:25:43] <zocky>	Splarka, so-so
[07:27:11] <zocky>	what I really need, of course, is to send them the email and create the account only when they confirm it
[07:27:13] <Splarka>	well, if you disable all rights for $wgGroupPermissions['user' ] ...
[07:27:28] <Splarka>	they can't do anything except edit their watchlist and preferences...
[07:27:40] <zocky>	I don't really want to give them preferences
[07:27:41] <Splarka>	and then give all the rights back to $wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed']
[07:32:07] <Splarka>	hmm
[07:32:14] <drkralle>	spricht hier jemand deutsch ?
[07:32:32] <Splarka>	zocky: if you remove the 'read' permission and don't whitelist 'Special:Preferences', then maybe they can't do anything with them
[07:32:44] <Splarka>	the only problem is, they then can't enter an email addy, heh
[07:32:50] <zocky>	yep
[07:33:08] <Splarka>	unless they do so at the user creation form...
[07:33:31] <zocky>	yeah, but if they make a mistake, they're screwed
[07:33:37] <Splarka>	well
[07:33:48] <Splarka>	true:/
[07:34:04] <zocky>	the account should really be created only when the email address is confirmed
[07:34:18] <Splarka>	ahh, then you want something else
[07:34:31] <Splarka>	<zocky> can I require the user to confirm the email before they can log in?
[07:34:38] <Splarka>	subst/log in/create their account/
[07:35:40] <MrZ-man>	Extension:ConfirmAccount can sort of do that, but you need to manually confirm each account 
[07:35:57] <Splarka>	hmm
[07:36:25] <Splarka>	yah, looks like his best bet
[07:36:36] <drkralle>	No Germans Here ?
[07:36:42] <drkralle>	i need help at my mediawiki
[07:37:47] <zocky>	yeah, not bad
[07:39:32] <zocky>	bah, I can't do it without storing anything on the server anyway
[07:41:02] <zocky>	i thought of rerouting the register form through an email, i.e. email them the link with all the parameters, plus a hash
[07:41:34] <zocky>	but I don't think sending the passwords like that  is a very good idea
[07:46:14] <zocky>	meh, screw it, i send them passwords in emails anyway
[07:54:42] <Sazpaimon>	So I managed to take MW's 160 line function to handle bold and italic and cut it down to two preg_replace()s
[07:59:08] <paza>	hi, how is there some tutorial howto create infobox template ?
[08:04:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Chosen skin should not affect printable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8463  +comment (10gernot.hillier)
[08:04:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a MediaWiki:Printable.css page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13831  +comment (10gernot.hillier)
[08:06:24] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34300 10/trunk/extensions/DeletedContributions/ (2 files): Converted to the standard special page OOP layout. It seems the expletive had less to do with the severity of the problem than with their inability to solve it. Unfortunately the two are not always congurent.
[08:17:19] <tale>	!help
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[08:20:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closure of several Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13967  +comment (10cometstyles)
[08:20:13] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34301 10/trunk/extensions/DeletedContributions/ (DeletedContributions.php SpecialDeletedContributions.php): Use standard file naming convention
[08:20:50] <Dantman>	^_^ Someone upgrading an old extension before you install it is quite nice
[08:35:15] <Dantman>	Ooohh... yay... brion is back
[08:35:38] <Splarka>	hey brion, your IP was showing, you might wanna zip up faster ^_^
[08:37:02] <Dantman>	brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2396#c59
[08:37:24] <Dantman>	New tableName thought... A alteration to an old rewrite
[08:37:38] <Dantman>	I tested it... And it actually works properly
[08:50:14] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34302 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler.php: Test Rev keyword
[08:58:10] <Pinchie>	function.mkdir]: Permission denied in /home/anz317/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1649
[08:58:15] <Pinchie>	Any idea what that's on about?
[08:58:42] <Pinchie>	The comment on the code sections says "* Make directory, and make all parent directories if they don't exist"
[08:58:56] <Pinchie>	I'm backtracking through to figure out what directory it's making :P
[09:00:48] <Nikerabbit>	probably for uploads or something
[09:01:09] <Pinchie>	It's appearing on one page that I can find so far :P
[09:01:25] *Pinchie 	is putting a wiki back together brick-by-brick.
[09:05:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable the flagged revisions feature (stable versions) on alswiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13968 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:10:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hardcoded 51 limit on titles is too limiting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13965  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[09:11:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable the flagged revisions feature (stable versions) on dewiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:12:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting watchlist for changes to category content. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7148  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[09:12:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Track link changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13588  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[09:13:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the flagged revisions feature (stable versions) on alswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13968  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:19:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the flagged revisions feature (stable versions) on dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:27:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (gernot.hillier)
[09:36:25] <Pinchie>	Is there a way to check for broken image links? Not links in pages to images that don't exist, but files that are referenced in the database that aren't physically on the drive. Trying to rebuild a wiki from the database only.. now I have to make it forget about all the images and files it used to have that aren't there any more.
[09:36:59] <Werdna>	you could always whip up a script :)
[09:37:17] <Pinchie>	Heh, you're funny :P
[09:37:51] <Pinchie>	Ooh, rebuildImages.php might do it.
[09:37:54] *Pinchie 	runs
[09:38:20] <Pinchie>	Or it mightn't :/
[09:43:51] <siebrand>	Werdna: yeah, well, I thought there might be people that could take offence. Just thought it odd to find that stuff in the sources...
[09:44:24] <siebrand>	no biggie
[09:44:34] <siebrand>	Werdna: yeah, well, I thought there might be people that could take offence. Just thought it odd to find that stuff in the sources...
[09:44:35] <siebrand>	no biggie
[09:44:49] <drkralle>	kann mir mal jemand helfen bei meinem wiki server ? auf Deutsch ?
[09:45:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix namespace names in the Hungarian localization - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11488  (10gtisza)
[09:47:04] <Werdna>	siebrand: can you do me a favour?
[09:47:12] <siebrand>	Werdna: ?
[09:47:29] <morthan>	mediawiki
[09:47:39] <Werdna>	siebrand: send a few unicode chars my way
[09:47:48] <morthan>	mediawiki
[09:47:53] <siebrand>	Werdna: IRC?
[09:47:55] <Werdna>	morthan: what about it?
[09:48:08] <morthan>	why?
[09:48:52] <siebrand>	Werdna: my IRC client doesn't like those. Just a sec.
[09:49:21] <Werdna>	siebrand: never mind, I found some of those AES things
[09:49:26] <Werdna>	and it tests okay
[09:49:32] <morthan>	mediawiki
[09:49:57] <Siebrand2>	Werdna: Special:Magic वापरून बदलले
[09:50:28] <morthan>	mediawiki
[09:52:28] <Werdna>	siebrand: awesome
[09:52:48] <morthan>	mediawiki
[09:53:10] <flyingparchment>	morthan: do you actually have anything to contribute, or are you just going to sit there typing 'mediawiki' over and over again?
[09:54:21] <archivist>	ah thats a recognised troll kickban
[09:54:31] <morthan>	but mediawiki is a very beautiful word
[09:55:04] <Splarka>	#cellardoor
[09:56:51] <morthan>	poor Splarka
[10:00:56] <morthan>	mediawiki
[10:03:36] <nanotonne_>	hi
[10:04:06] <morthan>	poor nanotonne
[10:04:14] <nanotonne_>	?
[10:04:34] <morthan>	do you admit you're poor?
[10:05:02] <morthan>	poor nanotonne
[10:05:56] <morthan>	poor nanotonne
[10:06:23] <Werdna>	did anybody not have him on ignore anyway? :)
[10:06:32] <archivist>	I keep him banned elsewhere
[10:12:28] <nanotonne>	morthan: yes, very poor
[10:14:56] <nanotonne>	is exists french channel for mediawiki?? because i have a problem and a question for mediawiki app
[10:15:21] <nanotonne>	(i need help!)
[10:15:22] <Werdna>	nanotonne: no, everybody works in here. you can ask in french
[10:15:28] <Werdna>	we have french people around, I think
[10:15:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The extended message for a flagged revision does not check if an article is protected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13971 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:15:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The extended message for a flagged revision is incorrect if the article is protected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13971  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:15:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Standard, Nostalgia skins show border on the site logo in MSIE 8 beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13367  (10danny_b)
[10:16:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny_b)
[10:16:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internet Explorer 8 (MSIE 8) tracking bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13361  (10danny_b)
[10:16:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10danny_b)
[10:16:35] <nanotonne>	d'accord, c'est cool :)
[10:16:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Protect tags from being removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13966  (10danny_b)
[10:17:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The extended message for a flagged revision is incorrect if the article is protected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13971  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:17:17] <nanotonne>	ma qestion :  comment savoir qui est actuellement connecté à l'application?
[10:17:30] <nanotonne>	(anonyme et non anonyme)
[10:17:47] <nanotonne>	(et qui étaient connecté aussi)
[10:18:43] <nanotonne>	je n'ai pas trouvé de lien/fonction sur mediawiki pour connaitre la liste des connecté en court (autentifié ou non)
[10:19:41] <nanotonne>	(how to know the list actually "connected" with mediawiki? (autentified or anonym))
[10:20:05] <Werdna>	mon francais c'est mal, mais je vais essayer
[10:20:32] <Werdna>	ce n'est pas possible sans un extension
[10:20:41] <nanotonne>	(because i need to know who is connected in rela time on mediawiki)
[10:20:44] <Werdna>	mais c'est un extension 'UsersOnline'
[10:20:53] <nanotonne>	ok, cool :)
[10:21:11] <nanotonne>	extention is easy?
[10:21:18] <nanotonne>	(to install)
[10:21:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970  +comment (10danny_b)
[10:21:39] <Werdna>	eh, ce n'est pas difficile, mais ce n'est pas facile.
[10:21:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny_b)
[10:22:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Print stylesheet should be explicitly editable (e.g. MediaWiki: Print.css) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2889  +comment (10danny_b)
[10:22:23] <Werdna>	eek
[10:22:51] <Werdna>	l'estension n'existe pas.
[10:22:56] *Werdna 	voir.
[10:23:32] <nanotonne>	Werdna: i need to install this extention or he exist by default (but not actived) in 1.12 downloaded?
[10:24:08] <Werdna>	nanotonne: je ne peux pas l'extension.
[10:24:09] <drkralle>	Where i can aktivate the Extensions for MediaWiki ?
[10:24:23] <Werdna>	erm, je ne peux pas trouve l'extension.
[10:24:53] <nanotonne>	ha.... :(
[10:25:00] <drkralle>	hello
[10:25:08] <drkralle>	where i aktivate the extensions for media wiki
[10:25:26] <Werdna>	nanotonne: found
[10:25:36] <Werdna>	nanotonne: did you install from subversion/svn?
[10:26:00] <Werdna>	drkralle: require_once('path/to/main/extension/file.php'); in LocalSettings.php
[10:26:17] <Werdna>	/includes/
[10:26:20] <Werdna>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Manual:Extensions
[10:26:46] <Werdna>	desole, ce n'est pas un version francais.
[10:27:01] <Werdna>	eh, il n'ai pas un version francais?
[10:27:20] <nanotonne>	no, i don't have svn installed, just only  mediawiki-1.12.0.tar.gz
[10:28:12] <nanotonne>	how i do, then?
[10:28:39] <drkralle>	Warning: require_once() [function.require-once]: URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration in /mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch/LocalSettings.php on line 128
[10:28:39] <drkralle>	Warning: require_once(http://www.deutschlandwatch.de/extensions/FCKeditor/FCKeditor.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: no suitable wrapper could be found in /mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch/LocalSettings.php on line 128
[10:28:39] <drkralle>	Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'http://www.deutschlandwatch.de/extensions/FCKeditor/FCKeditor.php' (include_path='/mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch:/mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch/includes:/mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch/languages:.:/opt/RZphp5/includes') in /mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch/LocalSettings.php
[10:28:50] <drkralle>	where is the problem ?
[10:29:51] <Werdna>	nanotonne: hmm, wait
[10:31:27] <nanotonne>	.. :)
[10:31:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Semantic inline query by property that has non-english name returns nothing . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13960  (104d876b82)
[10:31:41] <Werdna>	drkralle: does the file exist?
[10:31:46] <Werdna>	oh wait
[10:32:09] <Werdna>	drkralle: what line did you put in LocalSettings?
[10:35:03] <Werdna>	nanotonne: I downloaded and tarred up the whole extensions dir for you
[10:35:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) prefix not bound to a namespace error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13972 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (coldchrist)
[10:35:25] <Werdna>	http://www.epstone.net/~andrew/mw-extensions-1.12.tar.gz
[10:35:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) prefix not bound to a namespace error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13972  (10coldchrist)
[10:36:48] <qcai>	Hi, is it possible to make a cell in table editable individually, so that a user will not need to face the full wikitext of the table?
[10:37:58] <nanotonne>	Werdna: donwload in process... ;)
[10:38:02] <nanotonne>	thank
[10:39:52] <drkralle>	hello
[10:40:05] <drkralle>	how can i make that he mediawiki is not open the .php5 ?
[10:40:16] <Werdna>	detailz plz
[10:40:16] <drkralle>	if i go the index.php there is no site
[10:40:22] <drkralle>	only index.php5 
[10:40:25] <drkralle>	will open the side
[10:40:39] <drkralle>	but my firefox are dont interpreting the php5 index
[10:40:50] <Werdna>	it's not firefox's problem
[10:41:03] <Werdna>	it is web server's fault.
[10:42:03] <drkralle>	and how i can fix it ?
[10:42:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) bug in r34282 in Resign/SpecialResign.php extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13973 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[10:42:31] <Werdna>	what web server? shared hosting or dedicated?
[10:42:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in r34282 in Resign/SpecialResign.php extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13973  normal->highest (10bertrand.grondin)
[10:42:45] <drkralle>	its a strato shared hosting server
[10:44:41] <drkralle>	how i can make that the index.php is read correctly ?
[10:48:03] <Werdna>	I've got that bug.
[10:48:21] <drkralle>	Hello ?
[10:48:32] <Werdna>	it should go to .php5 if that's your shared hosting.
[10:48:40] <drkralle>	how can it make that the Site is read if you go to www.deutschlandwatch.de
[10:48:57] <Werdna>	you need to change your web server config
[10:48:59] <Werdna>	I can't do that
[10:49:01] <drkralle>	i want that the index.php is going; so no normally user can enter the site
[10:49:05] <Werdna>	I don't know if you can
[10:49:07] <drkralle>	what must i change ?=
[10:49:11] <Werdna>	.htaccess?
[10:49:13] *Werdna 	guessing.
[10:50:03] <CIA-50>	03werdna * r34303 10/trunk/extensions/Resign/SpecialResign.php: Revert r34282. User class not created yet, causes fatal errors :(
[10:50:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) bug in r34282 in Resign/SpecialResign.php extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13973  +comment (10Andrew)
[10:54:49] <Pinchie>	Is there a way to check if images that the wiki thinks exist are actually present on the server? Or to just completely wipe the file list, since none of them are physically here.
[10:55:01] <Pinchie>	Basically I need the bad ones deleted
[10:55:05] <Werdna>	delete from image;
[10:55:33] <Pinchie>	Individually?
[10:55:44] <Werdna>	no, one line
[10:55:45] <Werdna>	in sql
[10:56:00] <Pinchie>	Ah. I see :P
[10:56:05] <Pinchie>	Awesome, thank you :)
[10:57:09] <drkralle>	Wieso gibts hier keine Deutschen die mir mal helfen können
[10:57:12] <drkralle>	das das voll fürn arsch
[10:57:20] <drkralle>	www.deutschlandwatch.de/index.php5
[10:57:21] <drkralle>	das geht
[10:57:30] <drkralle>	und wieso geht nicht www.deutschlandwatch.de/index.php ?
[10:57:56] <drkralle>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_NEW in /mnt/web4/31/95/51385295/htdocs/macher/deutschlandwatch/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 638
[10:58:00] <drkralle>	what did this mean ?
[11:07:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) prefix not bound to a namespace error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13972  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[11:38:20] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34304 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler.php: Keywords
[11:44:48] <razor>	can anyone give me a hint on how to allow users to use their e-mail-adresse as username?
[11:45:18] <razor>	i've tried looking through the User class - and couldn't find anything that looked like a showstopper
[11:46:35] <razor>	e-mail address* :-P
[11:50:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore the global CheckUser log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13789  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[11:51:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ? stable=0 is given, comparison will confuse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:51:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:54:33] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34305 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php SpecialVersion.php): Introduce svn-revision in $wgExtensionCredits for fast extension version specification.
[12:00:33] <CIA-50>	03tstarling * r34306 10/trunk/extensions/ (82 files in 79 dirs): Don't call preg_replace ~80 times per request. Leave the heavy lifting to Special:Version, using the new svn-revision member of $wgExtensionCredits.
[12:06:14] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: Oversight has a nice name convention ;)
[12:09:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[12:09:43] <TimStarling>	nice as in wrong?
[12:09:47] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: was it you who finished off revision hiding?
[12:24:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to watch the user pages of users you block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13950  (10innocentkiller)
[12:24:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to watch the user pages of users you block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13950   +need-review +patch (10innocentkiller)
[12:27:40] <^demon>	Just tried it out on my local install. Works great, actually. Haven't noticed any performance hits either.
[12:29:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[12:34:05] <BTZ>	Morning all :)
[12:34:07] *BTZ 	pokes Wiredtape
[12:34:29] <BTZ>	Is it possible to setup a custom background for a wiki article?
[12:34:42] <BTZ>	The body of the article for one or 2 uses?
[12:35:01] <Duesentrieb_>	!pagecss
[12:35:01] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageCSS
[12:35:08] <BTZ>	So it won't be constant, but whenever the <span-style> and such posted
[12:35:26] <BTZ>	Oh neat
[12:35:32] <BTZ>	Duesentrieb, what about the image?
[12:35:34] <Duesentrieb_>	bakground images are generally filtered out of style attributes
[12:35:51] <Duesentrieb_>	not sure if that's also true for this extension
[12:36:21] <BTZ>	I have an image about 10x10 px and want it to be tiled across the page
[12:36:25] <Duesentrieb_>	the canonical way is to use a global css style, and limit it to one page using the per-page css class
[12:36:49] <Duesentrieb_>	the body tag has a special class for each page. so you can make selective styles
[12:37:07] <Duesentrieb_>	this is robust and flexible, though not so convenient, i guess
[12:37:29] <BTZ>	The extension you showed me?
[12:37:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[12:37:48] <^demon>	BTZ: Here's the body tag on the main page:
[12:37:49] <^demon>	<body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Main_Page">
[12:37:57] <ingw3>	will i have any problems updating my mediawiki from 1.3.7 to 1.12.0? i have swedish locale.
[12:38:13] <Duesentrieb>	BTZ: hm? no, per-page classes don't need an extension. the extension is for specifying per-page css on-page.
[12:38:17] <Duesentrieb>	not sure how well that works
[12:38:19] <Nikerabbit>	uu that is jätte old
[12:38:39] <razor>	Where is AuthPlugin from includes/AuthPlugin.php overridden? I want to see how userExists is implemented.
[12:38:45] <ingw3>	ja! so how u think?
[12:38:59] <Duesentrieb>	ingw3: the nasty bit is getting from 1.4 to 1.5
[12:39:05] <Duesentrieb>	after that, there should be no problem
[12:39:10] <Nikerabbit>	so.. do backups!
[12:39:19] <Nikerabbit>	and be careful with character encodings
[12:39:24] <Duesentrieb>	and mind the charset mess
[12:39:30] <Duesentrieb>	exactly :)
[12:40:10] <^demon>	How good are the docs on 1.4-1.5 migration?
[12:40:32] <ingw3>	Duesentrieb: so u mean i should update not direct update from 1.3.7 to 1.12.0 but by step versions? if yes maybe then there is way to install new mediawiki and somehow import all data?
[12:41:31] <BTZ>	Hmm, will dynamic skin extension work for my needs?
[12:41:54] <Duesentrieb>	ingw3: from 1.5 to 1.12 can be done in one step. from 1.3... not sure. between 1.4 and 1.5 at least a manual conversion to utf-8 is needed. cleanly exporting and importing the data is supported only since 1.5 i think... or with mwdumper, 1.4. hm...
[12:42:21] <Werdna>	TimStarling: what's the upgrade path from 1.3 to 1.12 like?
[12:42:23] <Duesentrieb>	ingw3: get mwdumper, and see if it can generate an xml dump from a 1.3 db. it should work fine with 1.4 at least. you can import that dump into a fresh wiki.
[12:42:25] <Werdna>	(see above)
[12:42:27] <flyingparchment>	except for the utf-8 conversion i don't think there's any problem with upgrading directly
[12:42:43] <ingw3>	Duesentrieb: thank u i will try
[12:42:44] <Duesentrieb>	ingw3: however, you lose user accounts and uploaded images. xml import is for page text only
[12:42:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) redirect request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13976 minor; normal; Wikimedia: OTRS; (walter)
[12:43:05] <ingw3>	Duesentrieb: i use ldap 
[12:43:05] <^demon>	ingw3: Be sure to back everything up!
[12:43:06] <Werdna>	ingw3: make sure you have a backup!
[12:43:13] *Werdna 	slaps ^demon 
[12:43:20] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: going to 1.4 might be needed to get an xml dump. which is somethign i would recommend as a failsafe.
[12:43:23] <Nikerabbit>	ingw3: and they really mean it, take backups!
[12:43:30] <Duesentrieb>	maybe mwdumper can handle 1.3, i don't know
[12:43:32] *^demon 	whimpers.
[12:43:32] <ingw3>	and first i do on vmware 
[12:43:33] <flyingparchment>	Duesentrieb: why?  if it doesn't work, just import the backup and try again
[12:43:43] <ingw3>	i mean i copy and testing on copy
[12:43:44] <ingw3>	:)
[12:43:48] <^demon>	Werdna: If you have a second, mind looking at the patch on bug 13950?
[12:43:49] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: people tend to make backups with screwed charsets
[12:43:58] <Werdna>	^demon: maybe
[12:44:06] <^demon>	It's like 5 lines :-P
[12:44:07] <Werdna>	!bug 13950
[12:44:07] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13950
[12:44:52] <Werdna>	^demon: have you tested it?
[12:45:21] <^demon>	Yep, works perfectly on registered users and anons.
[12:45:34] <Werdna>	fine.
[12:45:41] <Werdna>	I'm changing that message though
[12:45:43] <^demon>	If the box is checked, it watches the user/user_talk page of the person. If not, it doesn't. Plain and simple.
[12:45:45] <^demon>	Fine by me.
[12:45:46] <Werdna>	should be 'watch' not 'watchlist
[12:46:07] *Werdna 	updates, applies.
[12:47:22] <^demon>	Thank you much.
[12:48:58] <Werdna>	just giving it a spin.
[12:51:42] <Werdna>	done
[12:51:44] <Werdna>	committing
[12:51:58] <CIA-50>	03werdna * r34307 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * (bug 13950) Allow users to watch the user/user talk pages of users they block
[12:59:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The extended message for a flagged revision is incorrect if the article is protected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13971  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:04:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:14:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Reverting to flagged revision leads to empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:15:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to flagged revision leads to empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  04BLOCKER->major; normal->highest (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:18:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to flagged revision leads to empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:19:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:23:14] <RichiH>	a great tool to convert csv to mediawiki tables is?
[13:24:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global user style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  (10dotkorg)
[13:27:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:28:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:33:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:42:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global user style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:44:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Option to watch the user pages of users you block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13950  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:44:54] <^demon>	Simetrical: Beat me to it, was just about to close that out.
[13:46:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Status/accuracy table should have an ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13979 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:47:53] <CIA-50>	03shinjiman * r34308 10/trunk/extensions/ (Babel/Babel.i18n.php GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[13:52:28] <cjb>	Hi!  I have an annoyingly long question, so I wrote it here.  It's about mwdumper and pulling articles out of the db:  http://pastebin.com/m354978b6
[13:52:33] <cjb>	Thanks for looking.  :)
[13:52:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Hide flagged revisions box from Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13980 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:53:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hide flagged revisions box (mw-revisiontag) from Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13980  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:54:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hide flagged revisions box (mw-revisiontag) from Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13980  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:57:16] <CIA-50>	03shinjiman * r34309 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[13:58:47] <CIA-50>	03simetrical * r34310 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SkinTemplate.php skins/MonoBook.php): (bug 13970) Allow MonoBook-based skins to specify their own print stylesheet. Patch by Gernot Hillier, with modifications.
[14:01:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Status/accuracy table should have an ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13979  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:06:30] <CIA-50>	03simetrical * r34311 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: This was meant to be private.
[14:07:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:07:42] <CIA-50>	03shinjiman * r34312 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesGan.php MessagesZh_classical.php): set the fallback language for zh-classical and gan into zh-hant, this would be useful for the extension messages.
[14:13:46] <Ereekki>	Hi
[14:14:22] <Ereekki>	Anybody here?
[14:14:50] <CIA-50>	03simetrical * r34313 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: sed -i '/.*\$fname =.*/d;s/( \$fname )/( __METHOD__ )/' includes/SkinTemplate.php && manually_fix_remaining_uses && php -l includes/SkinTemplate.php
[14:15:06] <Simetrical>	!ask | Ereekki 
[14:15:06] --mwbot--	Ereekki: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[14:18:02] <Ereekki>	When I'm trying to uploud picture to my mediawiki, it says: "inside error" - "server doesn't have writerights to savingdirectory public". Sorry for bad english...
[14:19:18] <cjb>	Ereekki: you need to give write permissions to the public/ directory for the webserver user.
[14:19:52] <Ereekki>	I don't have any public/ directorys except public_html and public_ftp
[14:21:25] <Ereekki>	Will I make a public/ directory? Where? .../wiki/images/public/ ? and chmod write permissions?
[14:26:35] <Dantman|FS>	public/ is actually images/
[14:26:43] <Dantman|FS>	It's an old bug
[14:30:50] <PierreW>	any1 knows how mediawiki can screw up any entities/special chars on editing a page, even when everything is set to utf-8?
[14:34:59] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Hide flagged revisions box (mw-revisiontag) from Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13980  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:34:59] <Simetrical>	PierreW, I vaguely recall that there's an mbstring setting that's completely broken and can do that.
[14:35:22] <PierreW>	yeah, like suggested mb.func_overload or however it is called is disabled
[14:35:55] <Simetrical>	Let me see.
[14:35:55] <Simetrical>	PierreW, what's the value of mbstring.func_overload in your installation?
[14:35:55] <Simetrical>	You can check phpinfo() for it
[14:35:55] <Simetrical>	.
[14:36:05] <Simetrical>	Don't know, then.
[14:36:10] <Simetrical>	Do you have root access?
[14:36:23] <PierreW>	no, can't check out phpinfo for now
[14:36:32] <PierreW>	master sysadmin is away :)
[14:37:03] <PierreW>	or can i execute phpcode somehow as sysop? i guess no? :)
[14:37:34] <Simetrical>	PierreW, no.  :P
[14:37:56] <PierreW>	this is very sad! :)
[14:38:00] <Simetrical>	I was going to suggest you try disabling the mbstring extension, just for something to try.
[14:38:12] <PierreW>	but i haven't checked phpinfo yet, so i checkout if its really disabled
[14:38:15] <Simetrical>	It might work, I suppose, if there's something broken with your mbstring install.
[14:38:23] <Simetrical>	Or configuration or something.
[14:38:35] <PierreW>	jep, thanks. its worth a try.
[14:40:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show revision comparison with stable revision on edit, if most current revision is not flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13981 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:40:39] <cjb>	Simetrical: Morning.  I came up with a list of articles I rank high enough to want to include, but running mwdumper --filter=list:thatlist.txt eswiki-pages-articles.xml.bz2 is only returning ~20% of them.  It doesn't give any errors, though.
[14:40:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ccmeonemails preference enabled no matter if $wgEnableUserEmail is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13982 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (stronk7)
[14:41:19] <cjb>	I guess adding debug code to mwdumper is in my future, or something.  The articles that are missing don't have accented names or live in a weird namespace or anything, it seems like it just randomly tossed them out.
[14:41:35] <Simetrical>	I've never really used it, Brion would be better to ask.
[14:42:01] <cjb>	*nod*
[14:42:09] <cjb>	Is there an appropriate mailing list?
[14:42:23] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Flagged Revision Box is above categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13629  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:43:16] <Simetrical>	cjb, Wikitech-l
[14:43:20] <cjb>	Thanks.
[14:43:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:44:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:46:57] <Fire>	Hello
[14:47:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970  +comment (10gernot.hillier)
[14:47:30] <VasilievVV>	hello Fire
[14:48:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970  (10gernot.hillier)
[14:49:23] <Fire>	privet
[14:51:31] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r34314 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[14:52:06] <nanotonne>	Werdna: thank you for your help :)
[14:52:43] <CIA-50>	03simetrical * r34315 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Simple.php: This needs to be protected, actually, so that inheritance works properly.
[14:53:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:54:30] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34316 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Add $flags, document
[14:57:27] <CIA-50>	03simetrical * r34317 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/SkinTemplate.php skins/Simple.php): Uh, I checked in the wrong changed line. :D Correction for last commit: "This needs to be protected, actually, so that inheritance works properly."
[14:57:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow own print stylesheets for SkinTemplate based skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13970  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:01:51] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34318 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Fix some cache issues
[15:02:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:03:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show revision comparison with stable revision on edit, if most current revision is not flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13981  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:04:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:04:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  15enhancement->major; normal->high (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:05:13] <AaronSchulz>	'Reading computer manuals without the hardware is as frustrating as reading sex manuals without the software. -- Arthur C. Clarke (Clarke's 69th Law, The Odyssey File, 1984)'
[15:05:16] <AaronSchulz>	hehe
[15:06:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:07:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision leads to an empty page view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13977  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:16:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create current ID JavaScript variables also for flagged IDs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13983 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:17:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) urlencode magic word double encodes entities - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9031  +comment (10mwtoews)
[15:17:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create current ID JavaScript variables for flagged IDs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13983  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:23:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hide flagged revisions box (#mw-revisiontag) from Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13980  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:24:58] <AzaTht>	Tim-away: ping
[15:25:21] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34319 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): 
[15:25:21] <CIA-50>	* Diff-to-stable on draft edit (bug 13981)
[15:25:21] <CIA-50>	* CSS tweaks
[15:25:29] <CIA-50>	03vasilievvv * r34320 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Then let's keep it on image page and add it to Special:Whatlinkshere
[15:25:29] <VasilievVV>	AzaTht: no chances
[15:25:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Show revision comparison with stable revision on edit, if most current revision is not flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13981  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:25:46] <AzaTht>	VasilievVV: ok, perhaps you know
[15:25:57] <AzaTht>	wikibits.js and friends, are they GPL or GFDL?
[15:26:11] <VasilievVV>	They are part of MediaWiki software
[15:26:22] <VasilievVV>	Lemme check logs
[15:27:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:27:47] <AzaTht>	if they are GPL, then MediaWiki:Common.js and friends must also be GPL, otherwise it's an licence violation to use stuff from wikibits.js and friends
[15:28:02] <VasilievVV>	It is GPL
[15:28:12] <VasilievVV>	But nobody cares
[15:28:13] <AzaTht>	ok
[15:28:21] <AzaTht>	VasilievVV: no shit ツ
[15:29:04] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, I pointed that out ages ago.
[15:29:23] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: oh, didn't know
[15:29:32] <Simetrical>	The entire interface is GPL, so probably integrating the GFDL text of the page with the interface is a copyvio.
[15:29:56] <Simetrical>	All of Wikipedia is built on violation of GNU licenses.  :)
[15:29:59] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: think that's not an issue
[15:30:24] <AzaTht>	gpl only applies if an function access the "library"
[15:30:39] <Simetrical>	No, it applies to any derivative work.
[15:30:46] <Simetrical>	RTFL.  :)
[15:31:07] <VasilievVV>	I hope F != fine here :)
[15:31:13] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: the content isn't a derivate
[15:31:40] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, no, but the page as a whole is a single work that's a derivative of both the interface and the text.
[15:31:53] <Simetrical>	It therefore must follow both the GPL and GFDL, which is impossible.
[15:31:56] <Simetrical>	Although IANAL.  :)
[15:32:20] <VasilievVV>	MediaWiki:Common.js isn't a work. It's a complete mess which Wikipedia administrators made through ages :)
[15:32:23] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: as you don't incorperate the text in the code, there are no violation
[15:32:31] <AzaTht>	VasilievVV: haha
[15:32:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global user style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  (10dotkorg)
[15:32:55] <Oddmund>	Is there a way to make Special:Randompage "more" random?
[15:33:02] <VasilievVV>	Nope
[15:33:05] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, the HTML in MonoBook.php is GPL, you incorporate that with the GFDL wikitext.
[15:33:19] <Simetrical>	Oddmund, manually adjust page_random however you like.
[15:33:19] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: hmm
[15:33:34] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: and the images are cc ツ
[15:33:46] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34321 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Add table ID (bug 13979)
[15:33:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML code cleanup (#mw-revisiontag) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13984  normal->lowest (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:34:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Status/accuracy table should have an ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13979  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:34:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) HTML code cleanup (#mw-revisiontag) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13984 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:34:47] <ialex>	hmm
[15:35:07] <ialex>	wikibugs is a bit strange :)
[15:35:22] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: all scripts that for example is using addPortletLink is forced to be GPL
[15:36:01] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, I just need to start licensing all my commits exclusively under the CDDL and we'd be set.
[15:36:03] <nopy>	hi! i already read the faq and tried to find it using the mediawiki and google search, but maybe i´m too blind. i´d be glad if someone could point me in the right direction. can somenone please tell me, if it is possible to manage user accounts and groups via a gui? i saw some screenshots on it on mediawiki, but the help pages all refered to the LocalSettings.php file.
[15:36:23] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: though technically ALL javascripts is forced to be GPL as they are ALL forced linked to wikibits.js
[15:36:27] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r34322 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings.php): Removed $wgSharedDBtables
[15:36:29] <Simetrical>	nopy, you can try the new extension "Configure".
[15:36:30] <nopy>	i´m using the 1.12 version btw
[15:36:51] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, yeah, all this stuff is fun.  We have at least three mutually incompatible copyleft licenses here.
[15:36:58] <AzaTht>	hehe
[15:37:00] <ialex>	Simetrical: bad idea ^^
[15:37:01] <nopy>	Simetrical: thx alot! found it! i´ll try
[15:37:17] <Simetrical>	nopy, ialex is the author, if he says it's a bad idea then it might be a bad idea.
[15:37:19] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: and t heen we also still have the GFDL §4J problem
[15:37:29] <nopy>	lol
[15:37:48] <nopy>	ialex: it looks quite decend, why wouldn´t i want to use it? :)
[15:38:23] <ialex>	nopy: you can but some features can be missing
[15:38:29] <nopy>	but configurimng user accounts is only possible via an extension?
[15:38:54] <ialex>	nopy: what do you mean by "configuring user accounts" ?
[15:39:25] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, we need to have a special exception in the software license that stipulates that the content of pages doesn't need to be under any particular license.
[15:39:55] <nopy>	ialex: i want to be able to look up the registered users and see in what groups theay are. then i want to be able to move users from one group to another oder create new groups
[15:39:56] <AzaTht>	yea
[15:40:20] <nopy>	nice to have would be a user rights management feature. to tell what group can do what
[15:40:40] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) HTML code cleanup (#mw-revisiontag) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13984  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:40:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create current ID JavaScript variables for flagged IDs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13983  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:41:40] <ialex>	nopy: to see in wich group they are you can use Special:Listusers, to change rights you can use Special:Userrights, and to create new groups or modify existing one there's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GroupPermissions_Manager
[15:42:28] <nopy>	wow, why didn´t i find it on mediawiki.org? that´s exactly what i wanted :)
[15:42:35] <Simetrical>	!userrights | nopy 
[15:42:35] --mwbot--	nopy: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[15:42:44] <Simetrical>	Mm, not what I wanted.
[15:43:04] <Simetrical>	nopy, you can change users' groups through Special:UserRights.  To change groups' permissions, you need to edit LocalSettings.php.
[15:43:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Message bar for changes to userspace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13985 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (Ryanpostlethwaite)
[15:43:25] <grumbel>	I would like to export data contained in a mediawiki to plain text files that I then store in git, including full history, any pointers on how to start on that?
[15:43:32] <nopy>	I read the pages mwbot recommended, but i overread the parts with the special sites
[15:43:38] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34323 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Remove unmatched p tags. Use single HTML quotes
[15:43:54] <bango>	i want to include a picture in my gumax.php, now i want that the picture is shown throug my page without the mainpage, is the a code which excludes the mainpage?
[15:44:00] <Simetrical>	!export | grumbel 
[15:44:00] --mwbot--	grumbel: To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[15:44:02] <nopy>	thank you so much! is there an index of all special: sites?
[15:44:12] <Simetrical>	nopy, Special:SpecialPages has most of them.
[15:44:36] <nopy>	Simetrical: i am extremely delighted, thank you! :)
[15:45:03] <bango>	i want to include a picture in my gumax.php, now i want that the picture is shown throug my page without the mainpage, is there a code which excludes the mainpage?
[15:45:37] <Simetrical>	bango, don't ask twice in two minutes.
[15:45:45] <Simetrical>	Wait a little while before asking again.
[15:45:49] <Simetrical>	What is "gumax.php"?
[15:46:03] <bango>	gumax is the name of my skin
[15:46:12] <bango>	so in your case it should be monobook.php
[15:46:30] <Simetrical>	You want to use a PHP conditional.
[15:46:44] <bango>	when i include a picture in my gumax.php
[15:46:52] <bango>	it is shown on everypage of my wiki.
[15:47:03] <bango>	so i want that it isnt shown on my mainpage
[15:51:36] <bango>	mhm
[15:52:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Link of quality/reviewed box has } at its end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13986 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:53:41] <matthew_>	Does mediawiki have a mailing list for support issues?
[15:55:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link of quality/reviewed box has } at its end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13986  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:57:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message bar for changes to userspace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13985  +comment (10wiki.jack.merridew)
[15:58:05] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Link of quality/reviewed box has } at its end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13986  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:58:55] <matthew_>	Ok, is there a place to report bugs in mediawiki?
[15:59:25] <Simetrical>	!bugzilla | matthew_ 
[15:59:25] --mwbot--	matthew_: All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[16:00:30] <Ktron>	Is there a way to change a specific Category listing to know to always ignore a particular word (say like 'The'
[16:00:31] <Ktron>	)
[16:01:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:01:48] <Simetrical>	Ktron, not at present.
[16:03:17] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r34324 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files): 
[16:03:17] <CIA-50>	* Update some documentation
[16:03:17] <CIA-50>	* Moved ProfilerSimple::debug() to Profiler class so that it can also be used there
[16:06:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The extended box message for a flagged revision is incorrect if the article is protected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13971  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:07:38] <Ktron>	Simetrical, thanks Simetrical
[16:08:04] <Atzanteol>	I'm running mw 1.11.1; I added "file:" to wgUrlProtocols.  Now file://machine/path is created as a link.  But [file://machine/path altname] doesn't work properly - it displays as is with the file:// bit created as a link.  Is this a bug in MW or perhaps I need to do more?
[16:08:34] <Ktron>	Simetrical, how about increasing the number of pages listed from 200 to something higher, say 500?
[16:08:49] <Atzanteol>	If I replace file: with http: it all renders as I expect...
[16:09:03] <Simetrical>	Ktron, probably that's hardcoded in includes/CategoryPage.php.
[16:09:27] <Simetrical>	Atzanteol, I don't think file: will work even if added to $wgUrlProtocols, can't remember details ATM.
[16:10:44] <Atzanteol>	Simetrical: The link it creates does actually work fine.  It's just not rendering properly.  I've followed the directions here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UNC_links
[16:12:13] <Ktron>	Simetrical, found it, it is already abstracted to $wbCategoryPagingLimit
[16:12:16] <Ktron>	Simetrical, thanks
[16:16:14] <CIA-50>	03rotem * r34325 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[16:18:32] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34326 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Don't show dropdown if 1 option
[16:19:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:20:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:20:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global user style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:27:16] <RickZilla>	If I don't put up ConfirmEdit and then I link to my wiki somewhere, how soon and how much spam can I expect spam to show up on my wiki?
[16:27:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:30:38] <cjb>	Simetrical: Thanks, mailed to the list:  http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-May/037647.html
[16:31:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:37:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:45:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:48:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:48:59] <AzaTht>	AaronSchulz: don't you think it's time to bork http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Voice_of_All/Addtabs/monobook.js ?
[16:49:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:49:35] <AaronSchulz>	AzaTht: it could be subbed to an inportScript() prolly
[16:50:06] <AzaTht>	isn't it fully obsoleted by addPortletLink?
[16:50:56] <AaronSchulz>	I don't know, I don't really keep track of that stuff
[16:50:58] <BTZ>	I think I broke my Wiki 0_0
[16:51:00] <AaronSchulz>	too busy elsewhere
[16:51:14] <BTZ>	Can anyone help me out? X_X
[16:51:20] <BTZ>	It gives the error too =/
[16:51:22] <BTZ>	Fatal error: Call to a member function selectRow() on a non-object in /homepages/17/d222576366/htdocs/wiki/includes/User.php on line 777
[16:51:23] <AzaTht>	!broken
[16:51:23] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "broken". You might try: !bundles !safemode !version 
[16:52:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sometimes a cached revision is shown when parameter ?stable= 0 is given, comparison is wrong then - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13974  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:53:12] <BTZ>	Strange is that it worked fine minutes ago
[16:53:15] <BTZ>	Didn't even change anything X_X
[16:54:30] <BTZ>	It says line 777, how can I find it? Using wordpad X_X
[16:55:36] <AzaTht>	!wordpad
[16:55:36] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wordpad".
[16:55:40] <AzaTht>	good bot
[16:56:21] <ialex>	hehe
[16:56:29] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[16:56:37] <ialex>	hi Jack_Phoenix :)
[16:56:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[16:57:30] <BTZ>	Anyone? Can appreciate all the help I can get X_X
[16:57:49] <Jack_Phoenix>	get notepad++ ;-)
[16:58:07] <BTZ>	Ha
[16:58:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's a great text editor, one of the best available
[16:58:14] <HelLViS69>	and opensource
[16:58:22] <ialex>	BTZ: wich version ?
[16:58:56] <BTZ>	1.12
[16:59:05] <BTZ>	if you are talking about mediawiki
[16:59:53] <ialex>	yes
[17:00:06] <ialex>	line 777 is $s = $dbr->selectRow( 'user', '*', array( 'user_id' => $this->mId ), __METHOD__ );
[17:00:46] <ialex>	why isn't $dbr an object ?
[17:02:39] <BTZ>	*shrug* I don't know that much about wiki :]
[17:03:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Clear cache of redirects when page has been edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13987 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[17:05:12] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34327 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.pg.sql postgres/patch-flaggedpages.sql): NOT NULL
[17:06:09] *BTZ 	pokes ialex
[17:06:09] <BTZ>	:)
[17:06:17] <AaronSchulz>	Siebrand: can you look at bug 13933   ?
[17:06:30] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: checking
[17:07:45] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: I do not usually commit i18n patches not from bw. Raymond_afk and Shinjiman do that. I'll re-enable FlaggedRevs support once I have enough confidence the developer stops tinkering with the messages.
[17:08:04] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: they should be stable now
[17:08:50] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[17:08:58] <ialex>	hi nikerabbit
[17:13:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clear cache of redirects when page has been edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13987  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[17:15:06] <gegema>	Stupid Q > but I will ask anyways...How unstable are beta extensions? Can they break the entire system?
[17:15:09] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:15:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  normal->high (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:16:05] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: btw, I checked for log entries for flagged revs, but didn't see any. Not enabled yet?
[17:16:05] <gegema>	Currently looking at (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EnforceStrongPassword), which is very appealing... just not sure if implementing the hook and installing the extension would be risking too much
[17:16:26] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: is on .de
[17:16:35] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: (ehr, on de.wp, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Logbuch/stable)
[17:16:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clear cache of redirects when page has been edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13987  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[17:16:42] <AaronSchulz>	wrong log ;)
[17:16:43] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: ah, I see 2 entries now :)
[17:16:54] <AaronSchulz>	that is the log for config changes
[17:16:59] <siebrand>	ah, /review
[17:17:22] <siebrand>	my bad.
[17:18:14] <CIA-50>	03ialex * r34328 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Profiler.php ProfilerStub.php): *stab* some tweaks for my last commit
[17:18:20] <AaronSchulz>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~aka/cgi-bin/reviewcnt.cgi?lang=english
[17:22:32] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: geez. Those guys a really going at it :)
[17:23:34] <Nikerabbit>	mau
[17:42:16] <Ereekki>	How do I enable passthru?
[17:42:28] <VasilievVV>	disable safe mode
[17:42:34] <VasilievVV>	!safemode | Ereekki
[17:42:34] --mwbot--	Ereekki: safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[17:44:38] <Ereekki>	Hmm, my server cannot disable safe mode once it's already enabled... So does this mean, that I cannot get images thumbnailed in my wiki?
[17:45:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) With Firefox, if URL is redirect, and if sub-heading ( #siteSub) is hidden text gets covered by images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13988 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[17:45:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) With Firefox, if page is redirect, and if sub-heading (#siteSub ) is hidden, text gets covered by image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13988  normal->low; summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[17:46:54] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: what's up?
[17:46:58] <Nikerabbit>	mui Agony
[17:47:17] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: where ?
[17:50:18] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: here
[17:50:29] <Nikerabbit>	I'm counting almost ten finns here :o
[17:51:56] <ialex>	and ?
[17:53:15] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: next you know there is only cold as in hell and icebears
[17:53:25] <Ereekki>	Hmm, when I uploud picture, it says this: "Making thumbnail failed" "<b>Warning</b>: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in <b>.../wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php</b> on line <b>1839</b><br />"
[17:53:56] <Agony>	Nikerabbit: don't forget penguins what we have lot in our capital Helsinki :D
[17:54:35] <Nikerabbit>	Agony: yeah, penguins will see a good thing in soon ;)
[17:54:37] <Ereekki>	Lol, I live in Helsinki
[17:54:51] <Nikerabbit>	Ereekki: who doesn't :)
[17:55:25] <Ereekki>	:p So, now somebody answer my question or I will start crying ;_;
[17:56:46] <Nikerabbit>	what the icebear-kind-of function naming is passthru
[18:01:08] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: I don't like this wfDeprecated change at all :<
[18:01:42] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: yeah :(
[18:01:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bot edits should be auto-flagged as checked/sighted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13989 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:02:15] <Nikerabbit>	if it weren't tim I'd revert
[18:02:42] <Nikerabbit>	and if I just add yet-another configuration variable the stab prolly reverts me
[18:05:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edits should be auto-flagged as checked/ sighted when former revision was flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13989  summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:07:13] <MonitorBeacon>	hi i've got a sql dump of an older mediawiki install.  I just tried to use the most current version and then restore the database back and i'm getting all sorts of problems.  Is there some universal tool for backing up and restoring mediawiki installations?
[18:08:37] <Nikerabbit>	mysqldump with --default-charset=X
[18:08:49] <Nikerabbit>	or what?
[18:09:02] <Nikerabbit>	you need to upgrade the database of course with new versions
[18:10:38] <derwin>	I have a question about the parserfunction "#ifexists" and cross-namespace links.. I am doing something like this : 
[18:10:40] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34329 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php): Split off autoreview right
[18:10:42] <derwin>	{{ #ifexist: Policyw:URGENT {{{TYPE}}} Issue Escalation ({{{CLUSTER}}})|Policyw:URGENT {{{TYPE}}} Issue Escalation ({{{CLUSTER}}})|Policyw:URGENT {{{TYPE}}} Issue Escalation}}
[18:10:42] <MonitorBeacon>	sure but how do i recover from this old version
[18:10:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edits should be auto-flagged as checked/ sighted when former revision was flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13989   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:11:12] <MonitorBeacon>	yea and it was mysqldump that i used to pull the old sql db
[18:11:37] <derwin>	yet for some reason even when "Policyw:URGENT {{{TYPE}}} Issue Escalation ({{{CLUSTER}}})" page exists, it still produces the version without ({{{CLUSTER}}})
[18:11:53] <djmirko>	So, da bin ich ;o)
[18:12:00] <djmirko>	Danke seantje ;o)
[18:12:26] <Nikerabbit>	MonitorBeacon: so you have only a sql dump?
[18:13:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:13:13] <MonitorBeacon>	yea at this point
[18:13:27] <MonitorBeacon>	i'm not even sure which version of mediawiki i was using with the old system either
[18:13:33] <derwin>	anyone have any idea bout my #ifexists question?
[18:13:57] <djmirko>	Hello, i have a problem with mediawiki-performance. May someone of you help me?
[18:13:59] <Nikerabbit>	if it isn't too old, just dump it into mysql, and install a new mediawiki pointing to that database, which should upgrade it
[18:14:48] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: what is {{{TYPE}}} supposed to be?
[18:15:20] <derwin>	it's a parameter
[18:15:22] <derwin>	probably poorly named
[18:15:28] <derwin>	should probably be "type"
[18:15:56] <derwin>	basically I want it to use the ({{{CLUSTER}}}) version if it exists, otherwise fall back to the default version
[18:16:34] <djmirko>	NO ONE HERE FOR HELP? ->Hello, i have a problem with mediawiki-performance. May someone of you help me?
[18:17:13] <Nikerabbit>	djmirko: no if you don't actually ask anything else from "can someone help me/can I ask a question"
[18:17:35] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: I don't know how parameter substition works inside parser functions
[18:17:46] <djmirko>	can someone help me/can I ask a question ? ;o)
[18:17:47] <MonitorBeacon>	Nikerabbit: you mean like point mediawiki to it as an existing db and it will auto update?
[18:17:56] <Nikerabbit>	MonitorBeacon: it should
[18:18:05] <MonitorBeacon>	nice
[18:18:15] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: oh. so the issue might be that parserfunction gets it as "{{{TYPE}}}"
[18:18:22] <Nikerabbit>	just don't lose the original backup in case it fails
[18:18:30] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: may be, but I'm not sure
[18:18:46] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: ugh. well there goes my slick idea..
[18:18:53] <Ktron>	so, if I make a Help: namespace and define pages in a category foobar, foobar still can only list the pages all under H? gah...
[18:18:56] <ialex>	djmirko: just ask a your question, maybe somebody will answer
[18:19:04] <djmirko>	OK.
[18:19:07] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: I would think it should work, considering all the magic they do on enwiki and so
[18:19:15] <djmirko>	I'll try. My English ist not the Best ;o)
[18:19:27] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: I'd think it should work too.. but.. I am using namespaces differently and etc.. so.. I dunno..
[18:19:47] <djmirko>	How can i make my wiki running faster? Does someone know about?
[18:20:06] <Nikerabbit>	Ktron: you can use [[category:blaa|{{PAGENAME}}]] to sort with the pagename instead of full name with prefix
[18:21:04] <Nikerabbit>	djmirko: 1) install some cache like apc, memcached 2) disable hit counters 3) set $wgMiserMode to true 4) disable some other slow features or extensions?
[18:21:13] <Ktron>	Nikerabbit, oh? trying that
[18:21:45] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: the examples show use of parameters ({{{bleh}}}) within the expression part of the parserfunction.. which leads me to believe it should work within the "wikitext" part..
[18:21:53] <derwin>	and in any case my test is in the expression part
[18:22:06] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: indeed, so the problem is somewhere else then
[18:22:21] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: are you using 1.12?
[18:22:31] <djmirko>	As I am Newbie on this tuff, i need a step by step help for installing APC (as i ve read about it i found no manual) :-(
[18:22:47] <ialex>	djmirko: you can read http://dammit.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/
[18:23:16] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: yep, 1.12
[18:23:27] <djmirko>	But how to install acp?
[18:23:37] <Nikerabbit>	on unix you need a root access to do pecl install apc and modify php.ini to enable it
[18:23:49] <derwin>	nikerabbit : hrm, that said, parserfunctions docs just say "#ifexist: <page name>"
[18:24:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If it's a redirect, the FlaggedRev box of the redirect is shown, not that of the displayed page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13990 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:24:13] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: it does not specify "expression" and none of the examples contain parameters.. but.. they do contain wikitext..
[18:24:22] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: although the wikitext is not in "page name"
[18:24:24] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: if you feel adventorous you could try to enable some debugging and try to figure out why...
[18:26:05] <djmirko>	Do i find the $wgMiserMode in the MediaWikiSystem text or in localsettings?
[18:26:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If being redirected, the FlaggedRev box of the redirect is shown, not that of the displayed page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13990  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:26:12] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: I feel, somehow, that that way lies madness.. :/
[18:27:20] <ialex>	djmirko: LocalSettings.php
[18:27:31] <djmirko>	ialex: Thank you ;o)
[18:27:40] <grumbel>	Any way I can get a list of all pages in the wiki? Special:Allpages is still separated into namespaces
[18:29:20] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: huh.. {{ #ifexist: Main Page|Main_Page Exists|Main_Page does not exist }} gives me "Main_Page does not exist"
[18:29:46] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: and Main Page does exist..
[18:30:25] <derwin>	I feel like I must be missing something obvious..
[18:31:13] <djmirko>	I can not find $wgMiserMode in Localsettings.php - do i have to add this ?
[18:31:56] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: | page_id | page_namespace | page_title |       1 |              0 | Main_Page 
[18:32:06] <Nikerabbit>	it seems to die on whitespace or something?
[18:32:46] <ialex>	djmirko: yes
[18:32:52] <derwin>	nikerabbit: maybe it wants the _ form of the name..
[18:32:57] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: which would be.. unusual..
[18:33:26] <derwin>	hrm.. nope..
[18:33:35] <djmirko>	ialex: like this : $wgMiserMode       = true;
[18:33:40] <ialex>	yes
[18:33:43] <djmirko>	at the end?
[18:33:45] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: {{ #ifexist: Main_Page|Main_Page Exists|Main_Page does not exist }}
[18:33:49] <ialex>	yes
[18:33:50] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: still gets me "does not exist"
[18:33:57] <djmirko>	OK. Thx a lot ;o)
[18:35:13] <Nikerabbit>	))SQL:  /* LinkCache::addLinkObj Nike */ SELECT  page_id,page_len,page_is_redirect  FROM `bw_page`  WHERE page_namespace = '0' AND page_title = 'Baa_baa_baa_plop_kaa'  LIMIT 1  
[18:35:23] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[18:35:38] <Nikerabbit>	should work, derwin do you have keys in correct case?
[18:37:06] <MonitorBeacon>	thanks that worked
[18:37:41] <Ktron>	Is there an easy way to move/rename (I don't need all the redirect links) page names from "Foo *" to "Foo:*"?
[18:37:55] <Ktron>	Like, do you think I can do a mysql query and make this change and it'll all work?
[18:38:05] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: "keys in correct case" ?
[18:39:31] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: like you are calling the template with  {{kivat_lehmät_on_oransseja|TYPE=xyz}} ?
[18:39:32] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: fwiw, my other parserfunctions like " {{ #if: {{{CLUSTER}}} | {{{CLUSTER}}} | Any }} " (which I realize is actually better written as {{{CLUSTER|Any}})
[18:39:59] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: yep, both "TYPE" and "CLUSTER" are getting passed through correctly
[18:40:22] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: #ifexist is not working on {{ #ifexist: Main Page | true | false }} which I think is my issue right now..
[18:40:35] <matthew_>	Tim-away: are you really away?
[18:41:10] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: and it is there if you do the sql query by hand?
[18:41:26] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: yep, I pasted the info from "page" table above
[18:41:42] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: page id 1, page name Main_Page, name space 0
[18:41:57] <Nikerabbit>	örgh
[18:42:13] <Nikerabbit>	beats me
[18:42:20] <Nikerabbit>	sorry
[18:42:30] <Nikerabbit>	tim would know better perhaps
[18:42:31] <derwin>	nikerabbit: so.. I did manually change the namespaces on some pages.. in the database.. when I realized they were in the wrong namespace..
[18:42:55] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: but that did not include Main_Page so if that broke #ifexist for Main_Page somehow, that'd be weird..
[18:42:55] <Nikerabbit>	and you tell that now?
[18:43:13] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, have you run refreshLinks etc after that?
[18:43:28] <derwin>	no, I will do that now!
[18:43:35] <derwin>	I was not aware of refreshLinks :)
[18:44:17] <Nikerabbit>	shouldn't matter though
[18:44:51] <derwin>	right.. 
[18:44:56] <derwin>	that's what I'm confused about :/
[18:50:22] <derwin>	yeah, if I create a new page named "Test" in namespace 0
[18:50:35] <derwin>	{{ #ifexist: Test|True|False }} still returns "False"
[18:50:41] <derwin>	very weird :/
[18:51:31] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: how about without the space after colon?
[18:51:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create p-cactions tabs for flagged/non-flagged revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13991 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:51:51] <Nikerabbit>	nah
[18:51:53] <Nikerabbit>	can't be it
[18:51:58] <Nikerabbit>	I'm just hopeless
[18:52:05] <Nikerabbit>	ah
[18:52:13] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: is there many ifexists calls on that page already?
[18:52:20] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: yeah, it can't be it.. I tried same syntax on en.wikipedia
[18:52:22] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: not more than 100
[18:52:28] <derwin>	maybe 5, 10
[18:52:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add user preference to opt out of email notification for bot edits ( similar to $wgEnotifMinorEdits) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13992 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Email; (pathoschild)
[18:52:45] <Nikerabbit>	you can see the numbers in source...
[18:53:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create p-cactions tabs for flagged revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13991  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:54:08] <Klemo>	hey wiki fans
[18:55:58] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: } elseif( $title->getNamespace() == NS_SPECIAL || $title->isExternal() ) {
[18:56:09] <Klemo>	I'm setting up a wiki 1.12.0 .. I've been trying to enable uploads... it says "Internal error The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. " I created the wiki/public folder I've chown'd it be owned by the webserver process... I gave chmod 777 and I still get the error message...
[18:56:33] <AzaTht>	Klemo: there are no "fans" here
[18:56:34] <Nikerabbit>	derwin: neither should be the case here, and that returns true instead of false
[18:56:35] <MonitorBeacon>	use su and change to that use
[18:56:39] <jldupont>	Is there somebody here caring for Wiktionary.com ?
[18:56:39] <MonitorBeacon>	and try and walk the tree then
[18:56:50] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: yeah.. it also does                                 if ( $lc->getGoodLinkID( $pdbk ) ) {
[18:56:59] <AzaTht>	only a mix of geeks, über-geeks and über-geekly devs
[18:57:01] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: and then                                 $id = $title->getArticleID();
[18:57:13] <Klemo>	AzaTht: well I'm a wiki fan...
[18:57:44] <jldupont>	Wiktionary: any plans for support micro-formats?
[18:57:52] <AzaTht>	Klemo: I assume there isn't a safemode thingi on
[18:57:57] <AzaTht>	!safemode | Klemo 
[18:57:57] --mwbot--	Klemo: safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[18:58:00] <Klemo>	good question let me check...
[18:58:39] <Klemo>	I'm using PHP5 but let me check... I'm a tech nerd my self so I know about sql php mediawiki version from past...
[18:59:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) allpages in descending order doesn' t honor apfrom parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13993 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (russblau)
[19:00:01] <Klemo>	Safe mode is off
[19:01:02] <AzaTht>	k
[19:01:36] <AzaTht>	check that all schmodds and schowns are recursivly fine
[19:01:41] <Klemo>	I have to run... but I'll be back... another question to consider (unrelated to my upload question)
[19:04:06] <Klemo>	I'm setting this wiki up inside a iframe in another site.  I've setup a skin/template to only show he navigation and the body of the wikipages. I have copied the wiki directory to wikiedit/ I setup the local settings file in there to point to this directory and use the monobook skin so the users can edit the content on the main site with the iframe. Does this sound like a resonable way of...
[19:04:08] <Klemo>	...doing this? Do I really need 2 copies of the wiki directory, or is there another way?
[19:04:42] <Klemo>	edit without the ifame on a full page
[19:06:06] <AzaTht>	!farm | Klemo 
[19:06:06] --mwbot--	Klemo: To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family>
[19:09:23] <AaronShaf>	I click "Please  set up the wiki first." and it just goes to the same page. Ideas?
[19:12:42] <ialex>	browse to confing/index.php then
[19:12:48] <ialex>	*config
[19:13:40] <Fire>	re
[19:14:54] <RickZilla>	Wikis are cool...MediaWiki rocks my face off
[19:15:33] <agentross>	hey, does any version of media wiki work with php 4
[19:15:36] <agentross>	4.3.11
[19:15:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	agentross, 1.6.10 is the last one that works with PHP 4
[19:15:58] <agentross>	thanks
[19:16:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Flagged page cannot be moved by non-sighters ( tab is missing) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13994 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[19:25:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If a template got edited, articles show wrong FlaggedRev box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13995 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[19:26:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If a template was edited, articles show wrong FlaggedRev box content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13995  15enhancement->major; normal->high; summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[19:30:05] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: if I wanted to debug/instrument/etc. this function so I could see where it's giving "$else"
[19:30:21] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: how would I do that? it's not apparent to me from just looking at ParserFunctions.php :/
[19:32:51] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to brion :)
[19:33:11] *brion 	waves back
[19:33:15] <brion>	still on my list, jack :)
[19:33:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	hehe
[19:33:30] <ialex>	:D
[19:38:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If a template was edited, articles show wrong FlaggedRev box content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13995  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[19:53:07] <djmirko>	Does someone know how to "run" a .php-file with shell`?
[19:54:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	php script_name_here.php
[19:54:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	type that in the shell, replacing "script_name_here" with the appropriate name
[19:54:38] <djmirko>	OK. I'll try. Thx for FAAAST Help ;o)
[19:55:01] <mozillamonks>	What's the quickest way to have mediawiki remake all thumbnails?
[19:55:17] <CIA-50>	03minuteelectron * r34330 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/includes/LanguageCodes.php: 
[19:55:17] <CIA-50>	* Fix undefined index notice.
[19:55:17] <CIA-50>	* Fix wrong argument type warning.
[19:55:28] <emily>	i'm looking for a good site on advanced wiki formatting. For example -- wikipedia has a really nice set up frames on thier front page? how do they do that? I havn't been able to find a page that explains how to do stuff like that. Can anyone recommend me a good site?
[20:02:46] <emily>	anyone? does anyone even know how wikipedia did those "frames" on thier front page?" Or how gentoo-wiki.com made thier indexes on thier main page?
[20:09:22] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: ok this is seriously weird..
[20:09:23] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: {{ #ifexist: Main Page|Main Page Exists!|Main Page Does Not Exist! }}
[20:09:52] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: I just installed 1.12 on a fresh database on a different machine, ifexist still doesn't appear to work correctly there for me :/
[20:10:12] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: the above gives me "Main Page Does Not Exist!".. when I include it in the main page.
[20:12:21] <derwin>	Nikerabbit: I guess I can remove my custom namespaces and see if that is what is hosing it..
[20:19:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If a template was edited, articles show wrong FlaggedRev box content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13995  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:20:27] <derwin>	I guess my only hope is if Tim-away un-idles.. :)
[20:20:53] <MinuteElectron>	maybe try removing the space between #ifexist: and Main
[20:22:43] <derwin>	nope
[20:22:48] <derwin>	I've tried all whitespace manipulations
[20:22:52] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[20:22:54] <derwin>	the same exact code works on en.wikipedia
[20:22:59] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[20:23:08] <derwin>	it says that the same version of ParserFunctions is installed, and #if (for example) appears to work just fine
[20:23:49] <Splarka>	try null editing the page in question? 
[20:24:32] <derwin>	it's consistent on all pages, this is the second wiki I've tried, this is a fresh brand new wiki db
[20:24:45] <CIA-50>	03brion * r34331 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Don't override addgroups/removegroups contents
[20:25:56] <derwin>	my mediawiki is 1.12.0, parserfunctions 1.1.1
[20:26:09] <derwin>	php 5.1.6
[20:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Footer shows wrong last changed date if ?stable=0 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13996 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:29:51] <CIA-50>	03raymond * r34332 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates German
[20:33:09] <Klemo>	ok i'm back
[20:33:38] <Klemo>	So safe mode is off and I'll check that I can recursivly get to the public folder as the webserver user account...
[20:34:22] <derwin>	well, I'll be a monkey's uncle.
[20:34:29] <derwin>	I installed 1.13alpha from SVN, and now it works.
[20:34:52] <Duesentrieb>	in that case, you should call yourself dArwin, no?
[20:35:04] <derwin>	Duesentrieb: NickServ prevents me from doing so.. ;D
[20:35:04] <Klemo>	confirmed, I can get to the document root -> wiki -> public and can create files
[20:35:39] <Klemo>	I still get the "Internal error The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. " error message when I try to upload files
[20:36:58] <brion>	Klemo: for "public" read "images"
[20:37:09] <brion>	confirm file permissions on the "images" dir
[20:37:10] <Klemo>	say wha?
[20:37:15] <Klemo>	ah
[20:37:23] <Klemo>	the folder is not called "public"
[20:37:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Users can flag a specific revision more than once - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13997 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:37:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users can flag a specific revision more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13997  normal->lowest (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:37:37] <Klemo>	even through the error messaage says public?
[20:37:54] <Klemo>	side note, hows it going brion ... and not biron...
[20:38:21] <Splarka>	derwin: can you stay on 1.13a or do you need to go back to 1.12?
[20:38:32] <Duesentrieb>	Klemo: "images" is your public image dir (as oppsed to the dir for deleted images, which is not public)
[20:38:57] <Klemo>	so the error message is missleading then... The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver.
[20:39:07] <brion>	yes, the error message sucks
[20:39:09] <Duesentrieb>	Klemo: mediawiki creates folders with cryptic names there, to place images in. check what permissions those are created with.
[20:39:10] <Splarka>	possibly the newest revision of Parserfunctions doesn't have a working #ifexist in 1.12, so you might go for an older copy (matching the revision of 1.12 you had)
[20:39:15] <Klemo>	lol
[20:39:22] <Klemo>	ok I'll check it all out...
[20:39:29] <Duesentrieb>	Klemo: one common pitfall is a screwed up umask set for suphp
[20:39:59] <Klemo>	No I've been creating a directory called "public" and setting the permssions there, I'
[20:40:07] <Klemo>	ll setup the permissionions on images instead
[20:40:18] <Klemo>	it should work fine then... but let me try... give me a sec
[20:40:21] <Duesentrieb>	Klemo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Check_directory_security
[20:41:29] <pearlbear>	hey, anyone know how to suppress section [Edit] links?
[20:42:01] <Splarka>	__NOEDITSECTION__
[20:42:07] <Klemo>	ta-da it worked... 
[20:42:19] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Other
[20:42:25] <Klemo>	I was just using the wrong folder because the error message is missleading...
[20:44:35] <Splarka>	pearlbear: that works for one page, if you want to do it site wide, you can set it as a default preference, either for yourself via Special:Preferences, or for all users via: $wgDefaultUserOptions ['editsection'] = 0
[20:44:51] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions
[20:44:59] <pearlbear>	thanks - I actually wanted it just for one page.
[20:45:13] <Splarka>	k
[20:45:14] <Klemo>	so for my second question... I'll repost...
[20:45:34] <Splarka>	another trick if you are running 1.13, is to use <h2>header</h2> instead of ==header==
[20:45:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image descriptions, category descriptions etc. not properly flaggable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13998 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; ()
[20:46:18] <Klemo>	I'm setting this wiki up inside a iframe in another site.  I've setup a skin/template to only show he navigation and the body of the wikipages. I have copied the wiki directory to wikiedit/ I setup the local settings file in there to point to this directory and use the monobook skin so the users can edit the content on the main site without the iframe or the limited skin I created for the...
[20:46:19] <Klemo>	...wiki within the iframe. Does this sound like a reasonable way of doing this? Do I really need 2 copies of the wiki directory, or is there another way?
[20:46:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category descriptions, image descriptions etc. not properly flaggable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13998  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:49:46] <Klemo>	does what I describe make sense or do I need to try an explain it a different way?
[20:49:57] <Klemo>	I'm not running 2 seperate wikis
[20:50:26] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: would flagged revs work on the image namespace?
[20:50:36] <Klemo>	its the same content from one to the other, its just the wiki viewed through the site in an iframe is using a really limited skin\template only navi and body are displayed... no login buttons or edit buttons etc
[20:55:29] *Ktron 	just discovered maintenance/moveBatch.php and is excited beyond belief.
[20:56:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show how many users have flagged a revision ( especially if reviewed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13999 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:57:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show how many users have flagged a revision ( especially if reviewed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13999  normal->lowest (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:59:03] <Sfan00>	Werdna:??
[21:04:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) DEFAULTSORT magic word is ignored if article got flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14000 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:05:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Magic word DEFAULTSORT is ignored if article got flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14000  15enhancement->minor; normal->low; summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:08:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make index.php?title=Actinium&stableid= best nice by using mod_rewrite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14001 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mathias.schindler)
[21:11:02] <derwin>	is there a way for a transcluded page to identify itself inside of a transcluding page? ie, the "leaf" node identifies itself?
[21:13:17] <Splarka>	you mean something like a {{PAGENAME}} magic word that refers to the template instead of the destination?
[21:15:02] <derwin>	right
[21:15:11] <Splarka>	the only thing that does that in core, really, is transcluded headers, which refer to the edit section of the template rather than the current page
[21:16:12] <Splarka>	zocky is working on a set of parser functions that explicitly refer to editing line numbers, template calls, and templates, as well as identifying them, but I don't think they're anywhere near ready
[21:16:23] <Splarka>	what one usually does is hard code it, like...
[21:16:30] <Splarka>	if you want to make an edit link to the template in question...
[21:17:00] <Splarka>	[{{fullurl:{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}} <span title="edit this template">edit</span>]
[21:17:04] <Splarka>	in the template itself
[21:17:05] <derwin>	you just put "transcluded from [[blah:Blah]]
[21:17:25] <derwin>	right, same concept but more portable the way you did it :)
[21:17:47] <Splarka>	and then the subst: is expanded to the template name and is hard coded
[21:17:50] *Splarka 	nods
[21:20:28] *MZMcBride 	waits...
[21:20:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add $2 to MediaWiki:Cascadeprotectedwarning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14002 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (MZMcBride)
[21:20:33] <MZMcBride>	Thar we go.
[21:44:39] <Mike_lifeguard>	If something is included twice in a page is it counted twice for the size of includes?
[21:49:39] <Splarka>	yes
[21:54:36] <matthew_>	Tim-away: still away?
[21:56:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: that "yes" was for me?
[21:56:43] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34333 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevision.php): 
[21:56:43] <CIA-50>	* Improve autosigting with undo
[21:56:43] <CIA-50>	* Don't shown empty diffs
[21:56:43] <CIA-50>	* Fix fr_flags bug
[21:56:46] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[21:56:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	:'(
[21:57:03] <MZMcBride>	Why wouldn't it be?
[21:57:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:57:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	no wonder COM:DR is so massive
[21:57:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	well if it's the same thing over and over
[21:57:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	(also it uses multiple levels of transclusion, which is somewhat borked, IIRC)
[21:58:26] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Show how many users have flagged a revision ( especially if reviewed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13999  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:59:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Reverting to a flagged revision should automatically mark the resulting revision as flagged , too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13978  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:00:12] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Flagged page cannot be moved by non-sighters (tab is missing) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13994  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:00:15] <derwin>	how do I include a list of pages in a category into another page? do I have to use "category tree" ?
[22:02:00] <Splarka>	or DPL (ick)
[22:02:05] <Splarka>	!dpl
[22:02:05] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[22:02:11] <derwin>	heh, ok, category tree it is :)
[22:02:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	DPL is nice, actually
[22:02:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	But resource-intensive
[22:03:23] <derwin>	lol, written by Duesentrieb :)
[22:03:39] <derwin>	I think category tree is what I need :)
[22:04:14] *Duesentrieb 	blinks
[22:05:20] *Mike_lifeguard 	drools for updated DPL
[22:06:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	gross, DPL...
[22:08:31] <Mike_lifeguard>	 /sooo/ useful!
[22:09:08] <Splarka>	subst/(useful)/ab$1
[22:09:35] *Mike_lifeguard 	pffffts at Splarka's comment
[22:10:05] <Charitwo>	hiya
[22:10:10] <Fire>	hey
[22:11:47] <Fire>	Just frrom interest: If you have to choose the distribution of your machine (ssh-server with common programs, Wiki,  ssh-tunneling, screen) What's th best choice? BSD?
[22:12:43] <Duesentrieb>	all these things are standard for any *nix
[22:12:52] <Fire>	I know :-) 
[22:12:56] <Duesentrieb>	pick the one you are most  confortable with, i guess
[22:13:22] <Duesentrieb>	wikimedia uses ubuntu lately, afaik.
[22:13:34] <Duesentrieb>	other people recommend some BSD for reasons for security
[22:13:43] <Fire>	I always used debian.. Still, I'm always open-minded. for ubuntu..
[22:13:43] <Fire>	hmm.
[22:14:13] <Duesentrieb>	well, debian stable tends to be... old. very old.
[22:14:28] <Fire>	I usualy use testing.
[22:14:39] <Duesentrieb>	not sure what the point of ubuntu is over debian, other than that. for a server, anyway.
[22:15:07] <Fire>	I don't like ubuntu, I just don't know why.
[22:15:22] <Duesentrieb>	well, if debian is what you know well, use it.
[22:15:56] *Fire 	wrote a few distributions on a paper and throws them in a hat.
[22:16:25] <Fire>	Ok, FreeBSD :D
[22:16:42] <Duesentrieb>	maybe look for additional packages you might need... like rsvg, tex, ocaml, imagemagick, etc
[22:17:15] *Fire 	nods.
[22:17:15] <Fire>	Just waned to hear a few personal tastes, that's all.
[22:17:19] <Fire>	wanteD*
[22:17:26] <flyingparchment>	Fire: solaris
[22:17:30] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[22:17:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add $2 to MediaWiki:Cascadeprotectedwarning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14002  (10mrzmanwiki)
[22:17:57] <CIA-50>	03dale * r34334 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (4 files in 2 dirs): improved IE support for remote inline display of captions
[22:18:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add $2 to MediaWiki:Cascadeprotectedwarning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14002   +need-review +patch (10mrzmanwiki)
[22:18:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Latest reviewed revision not linked, only latest checked one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13975  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:18:27] <Fire>	Solaris last update was on January 2005.. Kinda old.
[22:18:35] <flyingparchment>	huh?  the last update release was last month
[22:18:42] <Fire>	Really? 
[22:18:49] <flyingparchment>	yes
[22:18:54] <flyingparchment>	solaris 10 update 5
[22:19:39] <Fire>	Sorry, I was speaking abou the version (10) itself, not about he updates.
[22:19:59] <flyingparchment>	well, okay, the last update was in janurary 2005 if you ignore all the updates since then
[22:21:16] *Fire 	sighs.
[22:22:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	Simetrical: Did you ever finish the "move subpages of this page" function?
[22:23:21] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34335 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Disallow duplicate reviews
[22:23:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Users can flag a specific revision more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13997  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:26:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If a template was edited, articles show wrong FlaggedRev box content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13995  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:29:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Flagging revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:31:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:31:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  normal->low (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:32:52] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Flagging revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:33:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patrolling revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14004 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Patroller; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:34:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edits should be auto-flagged as checked/ sighted when former revision was flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13989  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:34:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrolling revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14004  normal->low (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:36:01] <Charitwo>	hi Gracenotes 
[22:36:18] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34336 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Autoflag bots (bug 13989)
[22:36:47] <Gracenotes>	hey, Charitwo 
[22:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edits should be auto-flagged as checked/ sighted when former revision was flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13989  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:37:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bot edits should be auto-flagged as checked/ sighted when former revision was flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13989  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:38:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create p-cactions tabs for flagged revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13991  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:39:28] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Category descriptions, image descriptions etc. not properly flaggable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13998  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:44:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category descriptions, image descriptions etc. not properly flaggable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13998  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make index.php?title=Actinium&stableid= best nice by using mod_rewrite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14001   +shell (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:46:27] <Klemo>	hello wiki  peeps
[22:47:06] <Klemo>	I've copy and modified the "Simple" skin/template and There is some sub header text that shows up that does not show up on monobook... how do I get rid of it?
[22:47:24] <flyingparchment>	#siteSub { display: none; }
[22:47:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If being redirected, the FlaggedRev box of the redirect is shown, not that of the displayed page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13990  normal->high (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:47:50] <Klemo>	in the source it comes out as "<h3 id="siteSub">From Galex Wiki</h3>
[22:47:57] *rainman-sr 	pins down a medal on AaronSchulz
[22:48:09] <Klemo>	ah nice flyingparchment 
[22:48:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If a template was edited, articles show wrong FlaggedRev box content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13995  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:48:12] <Klemo>	thanks
[22:50:36] <Klemo>	ok another couple of quick questions...
[22:50:57] <Klemo>	what do i modify to remove links from image:file.jpg|thumb 
[22:51:06] <Klemo>	I don't want the images clickable
[22:51:39] <Klemo>	would be nice if the little icon/button with 2 square's is gone also
[22:51:47] <AzaTht>	Werdna: perhaps an entry in preference about watch on block
[22:51:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If being redirected, the FlaggedRev box of the redirect is shown, not that of the displayed page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13990  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:52:07] <Klemo>	and along those same lines, how do I remove that little image of an arrow from external links?
[22:52:27] <Klemo>	these from the includes files?
[22:52:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create p-cactions tabs for flagged revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13991   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:55:58] <Splarka>	Klemo: you don't want any images clickable?
[22:56:15] <Klemo>	well thats a bit extreme, at least the thumb nails
[22:56:30] <Klemo>	I'm setting this wiki up as static webpages...
[22:56:42] <Klemo>	well basically there's more to it than that
[22:56:50] <Klemo>	it is still editable from the right url
[22:56:53] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Non-clickable_Images  is the only resource I see about that on mw...
[22:56:59] <Klemo>	but from the main part of the website its just some static content
[22:57:13] <Splarka>	but an alternate method is to allow external images...
[22:57:40] <Splarka>	and by "external", they mean by full URL
[22:57:53] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImagesFrom
[22:58:01] <Klemo>	i can do a regular <img tag in wiki markup huh... duh
[22:58:35] <Splarka>	that is, if you allowed your site to load external images, they are put in as plain <img> tags without anchors, but they aren't thumbnailable
[22:58:49] <Splarka>	you shouldn't be able to do <img> unless you edited the sanitizer or allowed raw html
[22:59:01] <Klemo>	well the images are part of the site... and the end users will be managing the content through a wiki with monobook skin... but the main site just show's the content in an iframe with a really limited skin/template
[22:59:17] <Splarka>	right, so you want the images to not be clickable in your alt skin...
[22:59:26] <Klemo>	yup
[22:59:33] <Klemo>	so I think the first method is better then
[22:59:36] <Splarka>	I don't think that is possible without large core hacks
[22:59:41] <Klemo>	just edit the linker.php file
[22:59:42] <Splarka>	or a hacky extension
[23:00:07] <Splarka>	there may be a hook you can use, to preg replace out the wrapping href links
[23:00:30] <Splarka>	oh, the arrow on external links
[23:01:01] <Splarka>	what skin is this for? simple?
[23:01:13] <cjb>	brion: Thanks for the e-mail reply; you were right about _ vs. space.
[23:01:17] <Klemo>	yeah simple
[23:01:24] <cjb>	(as in, it was indeed the source of all my problems)
[23:01:34] <Splarka>	the problem is, monobook and simple have a half page of external link icon definitions
[23:01:54] <brion>	yay
[23:01:57] <cjb>	brion: Would you like a patch to ListFilter, or is it just a DDTT?
[23:02:07] <brion>	cjb: probably should patch it...
[23:02:14] <cjb>	Great, will send one.
[23:02:21] <Splarka>	but you should be able to overwrite them in the same way .plainlinks does
[23:02:25] <Klemo>	can I just replace the img file with a blank gif?
[23:02:55] <Splarka>	well, not any easier than you can just remove it
[23:03:12] <Splarka>	#bodyContent a.external { background: none !important; padding: 0 !important; }
[23:03:13] <Splarka>	try that
[23:07:19] <Klemo>	bitchen...  that worked
[23:07:58] <Klemo>	I've managed to remove the border around the image thumbnail, but its still clickable... I think I have the right file I just need to poke around with it a bit more
[23:09:06] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Are you actually here?
[23:10:00] <TimStarling>	yes
[23:10:21] <TimStarling>	need to get coffee though
[23:10:52] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I have been waiting for you.. Someone told me you worked on the image upload/display code..
[23:11:26] <Oddmund>	i backed up my mediawiki and removed it for a fresh install, but i forgot to back up the image-table. Is there any way to recrawl the image-folders or something?
[23:11:41] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I am almost finished upgrading our mediawiki farm from 1.5.6 to 1.12.0 and the only part broken is that our images don't show... nobody know why.. but maybe you could figure it out.
[23:12:31] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I have been fiddling with this for hours every day for the last two weeks..
[23:13:15] <Duesentrieb>	Oddmund: maintenance/rebuildImages.php --missing
[23:13:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: fix for shared user table with $wgSharedDB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2396  (10brion)
[23:14:48] <matthew_>	TimStarling: The old links to graphics do not show on the pages where they were.. but gives me the upload page.. It lets me upload and puts the new image in what looks like the proper place.. (I think) but still doesn't show on the wiki page.
[23:15:06] <matthew_>	TimStarling: However, if I create a new page and link to the image, it shows fine.
[23:17:32] <matthew_>	TimStarling: australians are owesome and very helpful people, I am told
[23:18:02] <TimStarling>	uh huh
[23:19:00] <matthew_>	TimStarling: have mercy...
[23:19:25] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Do you have any clues or pointers... any idea what might be wrong?
[23:20:22] <TimStarling>	what is the problem?
[23:21:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow skin CSS to be flushed remotely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8433  (10brion)
[23:21:40] <Klemo>	when adding an image to a wiki page such as [[image:somefile.jpg|thumb|caption]] can I specify noframe as the source of Linker.php suggests?
[23:22:04] <Klemo>	which would help me not display the magnify-clip icon under a thumb
[23:22:11] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I fixed everything with regard to upgrading our wiki farm from 1.5.6 to v. 1.12.0--except the old images do not show on wiki pages.
[23:23:00] <TimStarling>	are the images in question present in the image directory?
[23:23:04] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Instead, it gives me a link that brings me to an upload page.. I can upload and it puts the file I upload into what looks like an appropriate place.... but still cannot see it on a page..
[23:23:23] <Klemo>	TimStarling: Yes they are uploaded through the wiki also
[23:23:46] <Oddmund>	matthew_: thanks a million! it worked (of course!)
[23:24:13] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add a MediaWiki:Printable.css page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13831  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:14] <TimStarling>	does the image table have any rows in it?
[23:24:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Print stylesheet should be explicitly editable (e.g. MediaWiki: Print.css) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2889  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:42] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Yesturday got one of the newly uploaded images to display on a new page.. but not the original.. today I cannot get it to show on a new page..
[23:24:55] <Klemo>	nope just a single thumb nail from an image inside the wiki
[23:24:58] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Yes.. the image table has lots of values
[23:25:03] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34337 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevision.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[23:25:04] <CIA-50>	*Rm aliasing
[23:25:04] <CIA-50>	*Add some accessors
[23:25:04] <CIA-50>	*Change last modified
[23:25:04] <CIA-50>	*Move down function
[23:25:05] <Klemo>	oh lol
[23:25:12] <Klemo>	talking to the wrong person... heh ;)
[23:25:19] <Klemo>	sorry...
[23:25:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Footer shows wrong last changed date if ?stable=0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13996  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:25:42] <TimStarling>	were you using a shared image repository?
[23:25:49] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Preload should ignore text within the "<noinclude>" tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13932  +comment (10brion)
[23:25:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) inputbox.php should parse <noinclude> and <includeonly> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5210  +comment (10brion)
[23:26:03] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Each wiki has one image directory.
[23:26:27] <matthew_>	Each wiki uses the same code but different database and different image directory
[23:26:32] <TimStarling>	are the wikis public?
[23:26:53] <matthew_>	TimStarling: unfortunately not.. they have non-public info in them
[23:27:15] <matthew_>	It's for internal collaboration and documentation
[23:27:24] <Splarka>	brion: &preload= is core isn't it? 5210 has a misleading summary no?
[23:27:30] <matthew_>	TimStarling: for about 50K users
[23:27:38] <Splarka>	(seems to imply the problem could be resolved in the extension)
[23:27:46] <brion>	yeah, update the summary if you like
[23:27:48] *brion 	was lazy
[23:27:48] <TimStarling>	are they in english?
[23:27:55] <matthew_>	TimStarling: yes
[23:28:13] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Washington State University
[23:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) preload parser should parse <noinclude> (as well as <includeonly >) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5210  summary; +comment (10herd)
[23:29:05] <Splarka>	howzat
[23:29:59] <matthew_>	TimStarling: The only code I modified was the LDAP authentication extension and LocalSettings.php
[23:30:31] <Splarka>	// TODO FIXME: AAAAAAAAAAA, this shouldn't be implementing its own mini-parser! -ævar
[23:30:32] <Splarka>	heh
[23:31:26] <Splarka>	sould the includeonly/noinclude/onlyinclude parsing be made into a function that both preload and the main parser could call on?
[23:31:32] <Splarka>	^should/could
[23:31:50] <TimStarling>	does it work if you disable the LDAP extension temporarily?
[23:32:19] <matthew_>	TimStarling: nope.. I see the problem with the extension or using plain local auth.
[23:32:33] <MrZ-man>	well ideally the preload should function like a pre-subst'ed template
[23:32:42] <Klemo>	ok I still need more help making thumb nails or all images unclick able in a wiki page... I've been poking around the Linker.php but nothing seems to work... I tried doing the suggested here but it did not work... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Non-clickable_Images
[23:33:27] <TimStarling>	matthew_: do you have shell access to the server in question?
[23:33:43] <Splarka>	MrZ: works with tricks like {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}, but.. 
[23:33:53] <matthew_>	TimStarling: yes..  I setup a new rhel server cluster with apache for this.. old system is on IIS
[23:34:01] <Splarka>	people like to categorize everything, and you can't categorize preloads because <noinclude> isn't parsed
[23:34:22] <Splarka>	if it was, you could do things like <noinclude>[[Category:Preload templates]]</noinclude>
[23:34:33] <Charitwo>	!dpl
[23:34:33] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[23:34:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) editing section 0 of an empty page gives no such section error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14005 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (cbm)
[23:34:49] <TimStarling>	can you run maintenance/eval.php?
[23:35:01] <matthew_>	TimStarling: ok.. just a sec..
[23:35:08] <Splarka>	the only method is something silly like {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>null|[[Category:Preload templates]]}} where null has subst detection
[23:35:47] <TimStarling>	what's an example image name?
[23:36:11] <TimStarling>	one that's meant to be present?
[23:36:51] <matthew_>	TimStarling: Ok.. I entered "php eval.php ctltwiki"  (LocalSettings.php takes ctltwiki off the argv to know which wiki to use) and it seems to have put me on a > prompt.. some kind of shell?
[23:37:52] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I coded LocalSettings.php that way, so I could run these manual scripts without having to alter any additional code.
[23:37:58] <TimStarling>	I can just use Test.png as an example, but you have to replace it with something that is meant to exist
[23:38:10] <TimStarling>	print (bool)wfFindFile('Test.png')
[23:38:30] <TimStarling>	paste that into the prompt
[23:39:35] <matthew_>	I did... it responded with a blank line..  i used VLAN_Basics_2.gif which exists
[23:42:01] <CIA-50>	03aaron * r34338 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: No need to show diff here
[23:42:07] <TimStarling>	$dbr = wfGetDB(DB_SLAVE)
[23:42:13] <matthew_>	TimStarling: The following record does exist...  :select img_name from image where img_name = 'VLAN_Basics_2.gif';
[23:42:31] <TimStarling>	print $dbr->selectField('image', '1', array( 'img_name' => 'VLAN_Basics_2.gif' ) )
[23:42:46] <TimStarling>	that should say "1"
[23:43:04] <matthew_>	TimStarling: It results in a blank line.. again.
[23:43:20] <TimStarling>	the plot thickens
[23:43:43] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[23:44:05] <TimStarling>	print $dbr->getDBname()
[23:44:30] <matthew_>	TimStarling: sorry.. I replied to the wrong message.. that did give a 1
[23:44:40] <TimStarling>	lol
[23:44:54] <TimStarling>	ok don't bother with that last one then
[23:45:05] <matthew_>	TimStarling:  print $dbr->getDBname()  gives an error
[23:45:27] <TimStarling>	restart eval.php then
[23:46:01] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I am back in evel..
[23:46:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) preload parser should parse <noinclude> (as well as <includeonly >) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5210  (10herd)
[23:46:28] <TimStarling>	$rg = RepoGroup::singleton();
[23:46:32] <TimStarling>	var_dump($rg)
[23:46:49] <TimStarling>	that should give you lots of information that you can put into a pastebin for me
[23:48:17] <TimStarling>	hmmm
[23:48:50] <matthew_>	TimStarling:   http://pastebin.com/md0ef8f7
[23:52:29] <TimStarling>	print $wgCapitalLinks
[23:53:46] <matthew_>	TimStarling: results 1
[23:54:43] <TimStarling>	are you using an object cache such as memcached?
[23:55:42] <matthew_>	TimStarling: I don't think so.. I have tried killing my browsers cache already.. no difference
[23:56:21] <TimStarling>	print $wgMainCacheType
[23:56:38] <matthew_>	TimStarling: 0