[00:10:12] hi [00:10:27] use in my template:picturewall to following line [00:10:29] [00:10:34] Bild:{{{Gallery2}}}|{{{TextzuBild2}}} [00:10:48] but if user say Gallery=somepic.jpg [00:10:52] it did'nt run [00:10:56] what is the false? [00:11:13] {{{Text}}} is no problem [00:15:28] use in my template:picturewall to following line [00:15:33] Bild:{{{Gallery2}}}|{{{TextzuBild2}}} [00:15:41] but if user say Gallery=somepic.jpg [00:15:44] what is the false? [00:15:46] Bild:{{{Gallery2}}}|{{{TextzuBild2}}} [00:15:50] ? [00:57:27] 03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2700 +comment (10cuerden) [01:18:02] Simetrical: omitting the column does _not_ work with postgres [01:18:21] Simetrical: that's why you need to do $db->autoIncValue() or whatever it's called, and specify that in the insert [01:19:07] flyingparchment, oh, nice. [01:19:29] we need a O/RM :) [01:19:38] So that just returns null for MySQL, I guess, but that doesn't work for MSSQL. [01:19:44] right [01:19:47] Don't you just love how standardized SQL is? [01:19:56] i imagine it could be done with triggers in postgres, but that'd be quite a pain [01:20:05] So how will that work? Maybe a special placeholder value that it will look for? [01:20:23] So the MSSQL version can return some special object or magic string or something, and check for that. [01:20:28] And then strip it out at query time. [01:20:57] C enums are so nice for this kind of thing, if they work the way I think they do (which probably they don't, I don't know C). [01:21:20] an enum is just an int with named values [01:21:20] Or typedefs, maybe. [01:21:51] I mean, something where you can just say "Hey, I want this magical value that can only be passed to this particular function or else it returns a type error." [01:22:07] usually we called that type-safe language ;) [01:22:22] Well, yes. Oh, never mind. [01:22:35] static AUTOINCREMENT = 'sajkif3qu 908quj9qhg3u'; works. [01:22:40] It's just ugly. :( [01:23:32] i'd probably use a special class and whatever php calls instanceof [01:23:44] It calls it "instanceof". [01:23:51] That's the clean way to do it, yeah. [01:25:21] I want to add some text content to all of the edit pages (below the main edit text box but above the Edit Summary box). What page would I edit to accomplish this? I use the monobook theme. [01:28:08] time to reinstall oracle, i guess.. if we're going to support every database around [01:38:20] 04 01I want to add some text content to all of the edit pages (below the main edit text box but above the Edit Summary box). What page would I edit to accomplish this? I use the monobook theme. Here's a screenshot of what I'm talking about: http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/babarnett/edit.jpg [01:40:06] Bam_: [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]] [01:40:36] Bam_: you appear to be typing in black text. that makes your text invisible to people who use a black background. i suggest fixing your client [01:41:06] I use Trillian. [01:41:09] root [01:41:16] nvm [01:41:20] But thank you, nakon. [01:41:43] Bam_, yes, Trillian and other "multipurpose IM" programs tend to be awful like that. [01:41:54] Specialized IRC clients are preferable in that they actually, like, work properly. [01:42:06] could someone direct me to the page of all the answers the bot here puts out? [01:42:21] I don't know if there is one. Probably . . . [01:42:40] i was directed to it earlier but forgot to bookmark it, then firefox crashed [01:43:37] Thank you Simetrical but I'm not going to DL a whole seperate program to ask one question in one IRC on one network that I don't normally use... not to mention this is the first time in teh 2 years taht I've used Trillian that I've gotten a complaint on my default font colour. But thank you for your advice. I take my leave, now. [01:46:37] 03aaron * r34635 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php): OOP [01:47:47] oop? :o [02:08:27] 03shinjiman * r34636 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [02:09:37] hi [02:09:45] hey Fire [02:10:02] Damn, that was a bad evening. [02:10:43] *Fire cut himself, lost his change for the taxi, didn't get to eat what he wanted and so on :-( [02:14:09] hmm sure seems like there is enough mention in manual pages on the mediawiki website about how to disable caching for a page, but no information on ways to avoid needing to disable caching in extensions [02:27:47] darkcode: don't put "dynamic" data on pages [02:27:54] except special pages [02:32:38] well dynamic data that rarely changes should be cache-able too [02:32:52] such as some special pages do [02:47:46] chelz: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html [02:48:44] thanks! [02:48:56] sure [03:33:54] How do I reconfigure a meaiwiki install? I dropped all tables from the db I used, but somewho config.php knows I previously configured a db. [03:34:00] mediawiki* [03:38:47] procto: You need to delete the config file. [03:38:58] It'll regenerate it. [03:39:18] ah, it checks up a dir for LocalSettings.php? [03:39:21] that warks [03:39:25] works, thanks [03:40:01] Welcome. [03:59:27] perhaps it would be a good idea to put a character limit on block expiry time [04:00:32] Any abusingly long expiry time somewhere? [04:00:37] Charitwo: example? [04:01:06] http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Spang&page= Wiki is running 1.12.0 [04:01:32] oh dear [04:01:34] lol [04:03:25] holy cow, flaggedrevs makes a wiki sloowwwww [04:03:45] what wiki? [04:03:51] www.theopedia.com [04:04:25] it is live at de.wp [04:04:35] and fast there [04:05:06] AaronShaf: I'd SVN up your whole installation [04:05:27] you have an old version of flaggedrevs [04:05:37] AaronSchulz, just did a few hours ago, is it that new? [04:05:49] "Flagged Revisions (Version 1.010)" [04:05:56] newer than that ;) [04:06:10] 1.042 [04:06:17] http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/extensions/FlaggedRevs [04:06:17] ? [04:06:40] I should backport some stuff [04:06:42] I'm at revision 34636 [04:06:49] I mean update to trunk [04:07:02] what repository should I be using? [04:07:24] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/?sortby=date [04:07:25] ah, http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ [04:07:30] yeah [04:07:32] I'm an idiot [04:07:33] thanks man. [04:07:40] normally, you don't SVN up to /trunk, but you will need to for this [04:08:42] do I need to run update.php or something after the svn update? [04:08:56] always run update.php after SVN up [04:09:27] I'm using this for the main: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3 [04:10:29] is that kosher? [04:11:39] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN ah [04:11:55] answered my own Q. [04:12:05] AaronSchulz, thanks for all your help! [04:13:19] AaronShaf: make sure you whole installation is trunk [04:13:26] not just the extension [04:13:37] ah, ok, Fatal error: Call to undefined method OutputPage::appendSubtitle() in /var/www/theopedia/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php on line 85 [04:16:15] yeah ;) [04:16:42] AaronShaf: lastly, you need to make the css/js readable [04:16:52] extensions/flaggedrevs/ does not seems accesible [04:17:27] AaronSchulz, you mean with chmod? [04:17:39] as long as viewers can read it [04:17:45] so yes, that will work [04:18:02] read-only, of course [04:21:48] AaronSchulz, looks like I need to tweak my lighttpd settings to make it readable [04:23:33] AaronSchulz, woohoo [04:24:09] 03(NEW) Excessive block expiry times cause problems on Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14088 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (nakonwiki) [04:24:45] *nakon pokes Charitwo [04:25:18] ack [04:25:31] i was about to submit one, i was doing my own testing [04:30:45] 03(mod) Excessive block expiry times cause problems on Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14088 +comment (10charitwo) [04:35:22] 03aaron * r34637 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [04:35:23] * Add user_text index to filearchives (for renames at least) [04:35:23] * Remove useless, incomplete, deleted_user index [04:36:52] AaronSchulz, your extension is going to rock Wikipedia's world... keep up the good work. [04:37:10] heh [04:37:11] 03aaron * r34638 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/ (SpecialRenameuser.php SpecialRenameuser_body.php): Add RENAMEUSER_CONTRIBJOB, and use jobqueue for the larger renames [04:41:43] AaronShaf: might want to sync again :) [04:41:47] 03aaron * r34639 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: One or the other [04:41:56] AaronSchulz, why's that? [04:42:13] just made a UI change [04:42:18] http://www.theopedia.com/D._A._Carson [04:42:55] there we go :) [04:43:20] what's the difference? [04:43:26] seems like you need a space before "It was rated" [04:44:13] yeah, there used to be one [04:44:17] not sure were it went ;) [04:44:20] I'll add that now [04:50:59] AaronShaf: ok, SVN up again [04:51:06] 03aaron * r34640 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevsXML.php): Add br tags back [04:51:19] done [04:51:29] AaronShaf: there is an alternate UI, which I've been spending all my time with ;) [04:51:46] ok, better [04:51:51] much better [04:51:56] AaronShaf: the images don't seem to be working on your site :( [04:52:10] do a force refresh, they seem fine? [04:52:22] I mean the ones in the tag [04:52:49] hrmm [04:52:57] I see [04:53:00] is extensions\FlaggedRevs\img viewable ? [04:53:48] yeah, it's just an issue with my lighttd rewrite... fixing [04:56:41] not having the traditional /wiki/Page_Title format makes it interesting [04:57:33] ok, better now [04:58:01] you're quick [05:00:15] AaronSchulz, What's better, "Good" or "Concise"? [05:00:51] AaronSchulz, call me stupid but the depth and readability dropdowns seem unintuitive [05:01:20] :) [05:01:45] AaronShaf: heh, well you can rename the tag levels, change the levels, and add/remove tags [05:02:35] AaronSchulz, I saw that here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevisions#Configuration I'd be nice if an example was added [05:03:48] *It'd [05:03:58] ok [05:04:11] *AaronSchulz loves examples [05:04:28] often much easier than generalized semantic explanations ;) [05:04:31] it /is/ rather overwhelming [05:04:39] 03dantman * r34641 10/trunk/extensions/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Committing CreateBox, DPLforum, and StringFunctions as is for Algorithm (Ross McClure). [05:05:40] 03nad * r34642 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/ (24 files in 2 dirs): Move code here from http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/Extension:TreeAndMenu.php [05:05:44] AaronSchulz, specifically, I was confused over whether it had to be an associative array with readability, depth, etc. [05:08:15] $wgFlaggedRevTags = array( 'accuracy'=>2, 'depth'=>2, 'tone'=>1 ); [05:08:24] is an example [05:08:37] 03(mod) Enable editors to control footnote ordering and to insert wikitex between footnotes . Also declutter article prose. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12796 (10bill.mitchell) [05:09:36] AaronSchulz, sweet, I see your addition to the wiki page. How does one rename the tag levels? [05:10:36] through editing the MediaWiki: page [05:11:07] revreview-style-2 [05:11:13] revreview-style-1, revreview-style-3, revreview-style-0 [05:11:15] and such [05:12:51] MediaWiki:FlaggedRevs? [05:13:07] MediaWiki:revreview-style-x [05:13:12] where x is the number [05:13:57] oh... thanks! [05:15:05] *AaronSchulz adds that to the documentation [05:19:33] heh, this is wrong too. 00:05, 12 May 2008 Spang (Talk | contribs) blocked Dr. Skullthumper (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of a small hedgehog [05:24:27] 03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 (10anon.hui) [05:26:53] AaronSchulz, this might be of concern for your extension: http://www.theopedia.com/index.php?title=Special:StableVersions&page=D._A._Carson [05:27:48] hmm, not getting that [05:27:52] what DB do you use? [05:29:52] mysql5 [05:31:30] AaronShaf: SVN up [05:31:31] 03aaron * r34643 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Only for 'flaggedrevs' table [05:32:37] works great! [05:33:11] we use mysql4, maybe that's why it didn't have problems here [05:33:13] huh [05:33:32] well, being more explicit doesn't hurt [05:35:45] "Customer service here, how may we help you?", "Erm, your product does not work with my database.", "What database are you using sir?", "Version 5", "We're sorry, but our software only works with Version 4, please change your installation to fit.", "WTF, you want me to downgrade my entire system just to fit with your software? Can't you be more friggin forward compatible?" [05:35:47] rotfl [05:36:32] heh [05:36:57] Dantman: upgrades change behavior and break things [05:37:03] so stuff needs tweakage :) [05:37:09] heh, ya I know [05:37:28] I hope the query planner in 5 is better than 4 [05:37:37] ^_^ It's when you refuse to support newer versions that your software's credibility is degraded [05:38:01] I don't think anyone is refusing to support anything [05:38:07] I know.. [05:38:26] ^_^ It's the Corprate companies that do that kind of stuff [05:38:52] AaronSchulz, Seems odd that people can create new pages that are viewable by the public before they are reviewed. But I assume this has been thought through [05:39:32] AaronShaf: mediawiki isn't designed to hide content, really [05:39:40] also, it is hard to submit to content that you can't see [05:39:42] [05:39:53] so that would only work if there were designated people behind the site [05:40:11] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs#Site_access [05:40:48] staying open is mainly a strength, more than a weakness, usually [05:40:56] builds up the user base [05:40:57] [05:41:10] point taken [05:49:05] AaronSchulz, is there a way to hide the whole +/- thing? I'd rather stick with the simplicity of having pages approved or unapproved [05:50:07] AaronShaf: if the tags array is empty [05:50:47] wonderful! [05:52:12] AaronSchulz, well, doing that seems to make one unable to "unapprove" at the bottom-of-the-page UI element. I'd like to use my own categories, but not have them displayed at the top of the page via the +/- [05:52:33] AaronSchulz, just a thought, no big deal [05:54:23] http://www.theopedia.com/Compatibilism [05:54:25] hehe [05:59:27] AaronSchulz, do you play hockey? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb2jEUqtlUo [05:59:46] haha! no [06:01:47] ok, I need to go to bed now [06:02:31] hello everyone [06:02:53] a long time ago I installed a MediaWiki instance for the non-technical people in my group to use [06:03:22] and at one point in time they really needed to have

 blocks inside list items
[06:03:58] 	things like that: # item one (next line) # item two:  ...several lines...  (next line) # item three
[06:04:03] 	which of course doesn't work.
[06:04:08] 	Thib_:   arouund list items, instead of # at the start of the line
[06:04:10] 	this was a long time ago, MediaWiki 1.5
[06:04:37] 	and back then I'd found a FAQ item on Meta that said to use ...
[06:04:48] 	it worked them, but it doesn't work anymore (1.10)
[06:04:57] 	oh, ...
[06:05:00] 	let me try that :-)
[06:06:42] 	uh, it didn't work
[06:06:49] 	well, not like I needed, anyway
[06:06:53] 	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox
[06:07:25] 	the  made a bullet instead of a numbered item, and the numbering started over from 1 at the next item.
[06:08:42] 	surround the 
s with 
[06:10:25] 	oh, so switch to a list by HTML brute force :-)
[06:10:29] 	let me try that
[06:11:36] 	Thib_: correct
[06:12:46] 	[updates the sandbox]
[06:12:47] 	indeed
[06:13:17] 	in my very humble opinion that's better than way back then when " magic" was the standard solution :-)
[06:13:27] 	thank you Werdna
[06:13:39] 	this was very useful
[06:13:42] 	:) np
[06:14:01] 	I'll fix the FAQ page I'd written for these folks and tell them how to fix their formatting
[06:17:10] 	you could also use , but you'd have to insert linebreaks manually with 
... (might not work in li nicely)
[06:23:15] 	Thib_: try this
[06:23:16] 	#foo
[06:23:16] 	#bar
bar
bar
bar
bar
bar
bar
bar
bar

[06:23:16] 	#baz
[06:23:31] 	why would you do that?
[06:23:52] 	over My stuff?
[06:23:55] 	to hurt you, werdna, to hurt you ^_^
[06:24:05] 	and because it could be templated
[06:24:08] 	and still use wiki-li
[06:24:18] 	ew.
[06:24:41] 	06:02 <+AntiSpamMeta> Debug risk threat [#mediawiki]: Splarka - generic spamming; ping flyingparchment and AfterDeath
[06:24:44] 	lol
[06:26:49] 	huh,  also works
[06:28:01] 	well, so does  if you keep it on one line, but then you can't linebreak
[06:32:29] 	 ?
[06:35:22] 	an extension
[07:09:59] 	say, is anyone aware of some vulnerability or DoS related to the recentChanges code/page? I had someone probe my site over and over yesterday for hours requesting .../index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&... with ever varying parameters and user agents
[07:33:44] 	DoS could be done with any page on any site... but that would require poundig of extreme weight
[07:34:20] 	But I don't think RC is to bad... Though of course, we can't cache it
[07:35:53] 	But don't worry... RC merly queries the rectentchanges table for normally 100 rows of data... The query is quite simple so it's not that bad at all.
[07:43:40] 	yeah, it was "just" one query per second but it managed to have noticeable spikes on the machines apache and mysql graphs
[07:46:16] 	I just wondered if the machine was maybe probing for something, maybe sending something that didn't get logged together with the GET
[07:47:00] 	I'll just file it under weirdness for now and keep an eye on the graphs.
[07:58:11] 	is there a good extension for mediawiki for images?
[07:58:21] 	need a grafikbrowser or something like that
[07:58:42] 	so that people not must know all names from files
[07:59:29] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImagePlus  is not bad; but i need a viewer. otherwise people load the the same pic with a other name up
[08:13:21] 	hi
[08:13:58] 	hi
[08:14:16] 	i have an install issue, looking for help
[08:14:57] 	Just ask, Xiong.
[08:15:20] 	hello
[08:15:28] 	this is a new installation:
[08:15:30] 	http://arms.runhost.net/index.php/Main_Page
[08:15:44] 	i appear to be unable to get image thumnailing to work
[08:15:52] 	this is freehosted
[08:16:02] 	but fairly lax in what i'm permitted to do
[08:16:20] 	in any case, the host docs say that GD 2.0 is installed
[08:16:35] 	i don't see much on MW handbook
[08:16:55] 	if you want to experiment, the wiki is open
[08:17:01] 	do you have gd set as the thumbnailer?
[08:17:11] 	Hmm, you need either GD libs or ImageMagick, and you say, GD's set? 
[08:17:12] 	um
[08:17:16] 	don't know
[08:17:24] 	my reading of docs was that GD was default
[08:17:34] 	imagemagick is commented out
[08:17:41] 	in localsettings
[08:17:54] 	should i insert a line to turn GD on for thumbnailing?
[08:18:33] 	$wgUseImageResize = true;
[08:18:36] 	are $wgUseImageResize and $wgUseImageMagick = true? 
[08:18:53] 	# $wgUseImageMagick = true;
[08:18:57] 	commented out
[08:19:03] 	since i'm trying to use GD
[08:19:14] 	try setting it false?
[08:19:22] 	don't know how it will go, trying to install imagemagick
[08:19:30] 	uncomment and set false?
[08:19:41] 	just uncomment
[08:20:09] 	um, i think i tried that, hoping imagemagick was installed after all
[08:20:18] 	heh
[08:20:19] *Xiong 	tries stuff
[08:20:20] 	http://arms.runhost.net/thumb.php?f=Xiong-ze.jpg&w=10
[08:20:24] 	> Although this PHP script (/thumb.php) exists, the file requested for output (/www/runhost.net/a/r/m/arms/htdocs/images/thumb/Xiong-ze.jpg/10px-Xiong-ze.jpg) does not.
[08:20:26] 	how i could change the uploadsize?
[08:20:41] 	people can't upload files with more then 2 MB
[08:20:42] 	boddusr, check FAQ
[08:21:00] 	!faq
[08:21:00] --mwbot--	Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ
[08:21:14] 	boddusr => pm nme
[08:21:32] 	Well, that's also a solution :)
[08:22:32] 	in faq is no info about upload size
[08:22:40] 	my uploads running well
[08:22:56] 	and the people can upload pdfs and zip without problems
[08:23:51] 	boddusr: be aware that you may have to increase not only the mediawiki upload limit, but the php upload size and apache POST size
[08:24:05] 	boddusr: the upload size is generally limted by settings in php and/or apache; MediaWiki's default maximum is 100MB, defined by $wgMaxUploadSize#
[08:24:40] 	and that doesn't even apply to normal uploads, according to the documentation, only to "copy from url" uploads
[08:25:14] 	uncommented
[08:25:29] 	$wgUseImageMagick = true;
[08:25:38] 	this does do sth different
[08:26:02] 	"error creating thumbnail; unable to run external programs in safe mode"
[08:26:35] 	can't wait for php6 to remove safe mode
[08:26:58] 	is this simply go directly to fail?
[08:27:05] 	no workaround?
[08:27:11] 	depends what you want to do.  imagemagick cannot be used in safe mode
[08:27:12] 	^_^ Don't forget Namespaces and _callStatic
[08:27:20] 	you can use GD, but the quality will be lower
[08:27:27] 	i understand GD is not so good
[08:27:30] 	but i'll tolerate it
[08:27:31] 	or you could try my new imgserv - but if you can't use imagemagick, you probably can't run that either
[08:27:48] 	How good is the imageserv working?
[08:28:02] 	if the wiki ever takes off, can always move it to a cheapo paid host and demand all the configs i need
[08:28:06] 	it rendered an svg and scaled an image.  i havent tested it much beyond that
[08:28:09] 	can't really complain on a freehost
[08:28:21] 	Argh.... :/ 
[08:28:27] 	so, how to get thumbnailing with GD?
[08:29:05] 	just enabled uploads and it'll work automatically
[08:29:20] 	ah, but it did not
[08:29:26] 	what about it did not work
[08:29:36] 	let me restore the old localsettings
[08:29:46] 	by commmenting out imagemagick
[08:31:13] 	Well... now it's about time to go to bed... Before I kill mysefl by sleeping to little
[08:32:35] 	http://arms.runhost.net/index.php/Sandbox
[08:33:00] 	when page loads, i see a broken image placeholder; then even that disappears
[08:33:21] 	at least the broken image placeholder is the right size :)
[08:33:58] 	your image path is somehow set to /index.php
[08:34:05] 	oh wait, nm
[08:34:56] 	i don't see even a single configuration setting when searching for "GD"
[08:35:26] 	Xiong: your host is broken
[08:35:31] 	i have, as manual instructs, created additional folders within images
[08:35:39] 	and granted all permissions on them
[08:35:45] 	okay
[08:35:51] 	just broken, fail, screw it?
[08:36:09] 	https://arms.runhost.net/images/thumb/Xiong-ze.jpg/40px-Xiong-ze.jpg
[08:36:11] 	er, http, not https
[08:36:25] 	i've brought up -- or tried to bring up -- the same wiki on about a dozen freehosts now
[08:36:29] 	any suggestions?
[08:36:36] 	get a job? :)
[08:36:47] 	some have banners, some have file upload restrictions that choke on the upload
[08:36:49] 	mediawiki is going to suck on a host like that even if you make it work
[08:37:04] 	one absolutely refuses to send confirmation emails
[08:37:08] 	granted
[08:37:12] 	freehosting sucks
[08:37:14] 	but it's free
[08:37:25] 	and until the wiki moves forward in some way, i don't want to throw money at it
[08:37:29] <|404NoTFounD|>	i do good free hosting
[08:37:44] 	let there be some minimal participation and i'll pay $5/mo
[08:37:57] 	do tell 404
[08:38:00] 	link me
[08:38:02] <|404NoTFounD|>	hmm?
[08:38:06] <|404NoTFounD|>	oh
[08:38:09] <|404NoTFounD|>	just pm me
[08:43:12] 	"Override the username blacklist"
[08:43:13] 	wth
[08:43:53] 	right to set it to whatever or right to do things that the blacklist prevents?
[08:44:24] 	$wgGenerateThumbnailOnParse
[08:44:26] 	???
[08:45:31] 	this seems as if it should be true by default and part of the default localsettings
[08:47:57] 	i search for a imagebrowser for mediawiki
[08:48:24] 	eg. if some guy upload "heinz.jpg" he did'nt realize that some other guy have uploaded "heinzerhard.jpg"
[08:50:39] 	boddusr: and what's the problem with this names?
[08:51:15] 	just a example for better unstand:
[08:51:28] 	i have a adventure wiki (http://bug.bitbeaver.net/wiki/Hauptseite)
[08:51:35] 	if some guy write about monkey island
[08:51:45] 	they maybe upload a picture from guybrush threepwood
[08:51:52] 	they use guybrush.jpg
[08:52:05] 	some other guy write abolut guybrush threepwood itself
[08:52:11] 	and upload the file guybrusht.jpg
[08:52:25] 	so it would nice if the people have an browser
[08:52:38] 	good example is http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true
[08:52:47] 	i will them test now
[08:52:52] 	fckeditor is not so good
[08:53:00] 	because they generated code is bad
[08:53:29] 	not sure but i think this is a social engineering issue
[08:53:46] 	either you mandate some naming conventions or you let the chips fall where they may
[08:54:08] 	they can go to allpages to see what image names already exist
[08:55:04] 	if you enter a filename mw warn you if this name already exist... 
[08:55:24] 	yeh
[08:55:37] 	O_O
[08:57:39] 	you right
[08:58:07] 	only in case if some guy use "guybrush.jpg" and the next "guybrusht.jpg" it is a problem
[08:58:17] 	why?
[08:58:27] 	they upload the same picture with two names
[08:58:36] 	webspace is not unlimited
[08:58:36] 	categorise your images
[08:58:38] 	:)
[08:58:47] 	but i will use a name conversion
[08:58:47] 	then it's easy to check before uploading
[08:59:10] 	that is why i say: you right:)
[08:59:20] 	but what could i do for file browsing?
[08:59:42] 	people could download on my page files (eg. demo.zip)
[08:59:49] 	its no problem to upload them and download
[09:00:01] 	my question is:
[09:00:29] 	is it possible to say only that guy could download which is from my url?
[09:00:51] 	a check against direktlinking
[09:01:02] 	maybe a box like wikipedia have for enter urls
[09:03:11] 	Add Mod Rewrite *duck*
[09:03:37] <|404NoTFounD|>	duckroll?
[09:04:24] 	*duck* was just an emote, nothing to do with my suggestion
[09:05:02] <|404NoTFounD|>	ah
[09:05:08] 	wb
[09:05:15] <|404NoTFounD|>	but duckroll is fun.
[09:05:16] 	rar
[09:06:27] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to Splarka :)
[09:07:53] *Splarka 	points out his joining every 6 hours isn't worthy of attention, tsk
[09:08:58] <_wooz>	lo
[09:11:24] 	03(NEW) spam blacklist manual seems to be obsolete/wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14089 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (email_metawiki_138)
[09:18:13] 	03(mod) Excessive block expiry times cause problems on Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14088   +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[09:18:20] 	03(NEW) spam protection text could mention reason from spam blacklist log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14090 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (email_metawiki_138)
[09:24:02] 	lol
[09:24:09] 	I don't want to sound rude
[09:24:12] 	but flagged revs is crappy
[09:24:54] 	blame germany
[09:24:56] 	03(mod) Excessive block expiry times cause problems on Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14088  +comment (10manticore.wikia)
[09:26:10] 	03siebrand * r34644 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Set two messages for BoardVote to optional until these are split or resolved.
[09:26:13] 	03(NEW) chose type of spam blocking ( articles and talk-pages or articles only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14091 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (email_metawiki_138)
[09:27:31] 	Aaron relies on equality propagation
[09:27:34] 	which exists in 5.0 only
[09:29:48] 	03midom * r34645 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: don't rely on equality propagation, it exists in 5.0 only
[09:30:33] *archivist 	upgrades domas to 5
[09:32:19] *domas 	livehacks
[09:33:39] 	03(NEW) block new spam only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14092 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (email_metawiki_138)
[09:34:24] 	no, blame canada
[10:34:09] 	i need help
[10:34:13] 	Can I create new user by login as Admin?
[10:34:15] 	quelqu'un peut m'aider?
[10:34:20] 	pleaswe any one help me
[10:37:04] 	any one know how to create new user ina wiki
[10:37:06] 	?
[10:39:25] 	nanotonne, what's up?
[10:45:19] 	(can i speak in french, please?)
[10:45:21] 	;)
[10:46:22] 	Fire-away: i have a problem with categoryTree extension / j'ai un probleme avec l'extension categoryTree
[10:47:22] 	it fail : i have a javascript error when i click on [+]
[10:48:48] 	Hi how can we create new users?
[10:49:48] 	follow login/register link in upper right corner of every page on your wiki
[10:51:19] 	 Sasa^Stefanovic: wt the admin role? can admin create a user?
[10:55:16] 	\o/
[10:57:00] 	03werdna * r34646 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/migrateStewards.php: Fix bug where any global account with the same name as a steward would get steward rights
[11:06:34] 	heshanmw: uh, since even anons can create users, anyone else can too...
[11:07:53] 	03(mod) Gender switch in user preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040  (10xarak)
[11:20:41] 	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  +comment (10anon.hui)
[11:24:03] 	03werdna * r34647 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (4 files): Force users to specify a wiki on which the user they want to edit groups for is active. This will eliminate mistakes of assigning rights to the wrong user
[11:27:33] 	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  +comment (10anon.hui)
[11:32:42] 	Hi does media wiki has file upload?
[11:35:40] 	Yes
[11:37:09] 	03minuteelectron * r34648 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/includes/Babel.php: 
[11:37:09] 	* Pass by reference rather than conventionally so options can be unset
[11:37:09] 	correctly.
[11:37:26] 	03gri6507 * r34649 10/trunk/extensions/WhoIsWatching/ (SpecialWhoIsWatching.php SpecialWhoIsWatching_body.php): 
[11:37:26] 	v0.5
[11:37:26] 	* better handling of user names
[11:39:27] 	hello
[11:39:57] 	any can explain this error and resolution ? http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14472#post14472
[11:40:15] 	because i don't see what he mean
[11:40:40] 	(because i have originally same problem too)
[11:40:51] <|404NoTFounD|>	Problem Solved: The skin I was using was missing the headerscripts call at the beginning.
[11:41:07] 	right :)
[11:41:17] <|404NoTFounD|>	the skin he was using didnt work
[11:41:25] 	ok, but what it nean? what i need to do exactly?
[11:41:27] 	 Last edited by Deus : 04-21-2007 at 09:00 AM. ^^
[11:41:56] 	i don't understand what i need to do exactly (code)
[11:48:33] 	hi any one know about Word2MediaWiki
[11:48:35] 	?/?
[11:52:27] 	TimStarling: is djvutxt installed on the servers ? it would be great to use it in the proofreadpage extension
[11:55:09] 	heshanmw, could you first read he MediaWiki Handbook before you ask your questions here? 
[11:55:44] 	 Fire: I need to know how to install it
[11:55:55] 	 Fire:  there is no extention files
[11:56:20] 	ThomasV, vu hier sur #wikimedia-tech :  djvutxt is installed on all servers where the ddjvu is installed
[11:56:57] 	ThomasV: never heard of it
[11:57:11] 	03rotem * r34650 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Update for he.
[11:58:26] 	03greg * r34651 10/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/SpecialTaggedImages.php: Don't hardcode non-standard paths.
[11:58:29] 	heshanmw, it's all specified in the Handbook.
[11:58:51] 	jeez, rotem.
[11:59:03] 	I committed that like half an hour ago :P
[11:59:24] 	Fire:  can you jst send me the link
[12:01:49] 	!handbook
[12:01:49] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "handbook".
[12:02:36] 	heshanmw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents
[12:02:38] 	gg
[12:03:04] 	!mwhelp
[12:03:04] --mwbot--	An introduction to using MediaWiki is at , see  for information about copying it to your own wiki. More technical information for MediaWiki administrators is at . For an introduction on programming with MediaWiki, see .
[12:03:52] 	thx, chelz.
[12:04:15] 	np. that bot is awesome, i'm glad to use it. ;)
[12:04:31] 	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html btw
[12:04:55] 	ty
[12:05:41] 	Is there anywhere a site with all the toolserver - scripts?
[12:06:17] 	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/tstoc
[12:07:16] 	ty
[12:08:03] 	np
[12:08:31] 	chelz: do mediawiki has work to wiki converter, web one
[12:08:51] 	03werdna * r34652 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Add : to message (sorry, rotem)
[12:09:12] 	heshanmw: there's no guarantee converters will work for what you want
[12:11:01] 	03werdna * r34653 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialGlobalGroupMembership.php: Fix display a bit (yes, this should have all been in one commit)
[12:11:54] 	03rotem * r34654 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: 
[12:11:54] 	* Removing trailing whitespace.
[12:11:54] 	* Update for he.
[12:13:01] 	Werdna: I want to advertise the new Xml::fieldset thing :o
[12:13:13] 	Nikerabbit: there's a new Xml::fieldset thing?
[12:13:48] 	Werdna: yeah I added it yesterday
[12:14:11] 	Werdna: I'd glad to hear comments is it ok, not-needed or broken :D
[12:14:26] 	eh
[12:14:28] 	I'll look later :P
[12:14:59] 	ok, let's see if bri0n doesn't hate it
[12:15:54] 	lol :)
[12:18:35] 	hi Sasa^Stefanovic
[12:18:53] 	ugha Nikerabbit 
[12:22:27] 	chelz: So what we can do for convert doc to wiki?
[12:23:32] 	heshanmw: i have no experience in that area. but i have found programs dealing with wikis to be in a scary nonexistence
[12:25:12] 	guillom|away: thanks
[12:25:58] 	TimStarling: it is a tool that extracts ocr-text from the djvu text layer
[12:41:35] 	03greg * r34655 10/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/img_tagging.pg.sql: Quick Postgres version.
[12:43:29] 	03greg * r34656 10/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/ (ImageTagPage.php SpecialTaggedImages.php): 
[12:43:29] 	Remove more hardcoding, fix SQL calls, fix notify calls, etc.
[12:43:30] 	Basically do the bare minimum to actually get it somewhat working.
[12:43:30] 	(The extension still needs lots of work)
[12:43:56] 	 chelz:  do you know abuout user managing extention?
[12:47:44] 	03(mod) Global user style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13953  (10herman)
[12:59:26] 	hi all can we assign some article to some user?
[12:59:34] 	for editing
[12:59:43] 	please help me
[13:05:28] 	heshanmw: no. there is no ownership of pages. everyone can edit everything. it's a wiki.
[13:05:53] 	heshanmw: setting up structured processes for editing and maintaining is a matter of conventions. mediawiki has no workflow support.
[13:06:09] 	it's not a CMS...
[13:06:38] 	 Duesentrieb: ok thanks
[13:08:17] 	I could cry. Wasted hours on Extension:CurrentUsers and Extension:Whos online. Both have the UNIQ...QINU problem. DOes somebody know a sloution?
[13:09:44] 	And the stable Extension:WhosOnline lists a special page but ignors the visitors, what makes it kinda useless
[13:13:02] 	 Duesentrieb: if we edit a page can we get an email notification?
[13:13:18] 	as this user edit this 
[13:13:30] 	yes. just [watch] the page
[13:14:13] 	MONK3000:  can we get an email notificatin?
[13:14:39] 	G_SabinoMullane: around?  current svn seems broken on postgres
[13:14:50] 	while deleting a page: Error: 1 ERROR: column "ar_deleted" is of type smallint but expression is of type character
[13:15:09] 	heshanmw: if you watch a page, you get an e-mail when teh page / talk page is edited by someone else
[13:16:13] 	MONK3000: how can we watch, ima very beginer
[13:17:12] 	it's a tab on top of the article page: [watch]
[13:17:26] 	heshanmw, MONK3000: to get mail when watched pages are edited, you need to enable this feature globally ($wgEnotifWatchlist=true; you probably also want $wgEnotifUserTalk=true) AND you need to enable this for your account in your user preferences.
[13:17:47] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Watchlist
[13:18:17] 	03aaron * r34657 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Fix crap query
[13:18:21] 	yes Duesentrieb, slow down, he doesn't even know where the tab is ;)
[13:18:39] 	MONK3000: thanks a lot
[13:18:51] 	sure... but he has to know that per default, he wil NOT get email when a watched page is edited.
[13:19:03] 	this is off per default, twice.
[13:25:16] 	does anyone know of a simple solution for entering non-conventional urls. eg file://server/file?  
[13:25:30] 	is it correct that the page caching is disabled on Main Page?
[13:25:47] 	no.  that would be stupid, since it's the most commonly used page
[13:26:06] 	mikejw, what do you mean by "entering" them?  Entering them and getting them to work?
[13:26:20] 	but everything refreshes there while it doesn't on other pages
[13:26:32] 	mikejw, maybe you want: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols
[13:26:36] 	!fileurl | mikejw
[13:26:36] --mwbot--	mikejw: To allow local file:///xxx links, use $wgUrlProtocols[] = "file:"; See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols for more information. Beware that several browsers do not allow file urls on pages loaded via http. Also note that most browsers do not support "remote file" urls like file://server/share
[13:26:40] 	MONK3000, not true.
[13:26:52] 	MONK3000, it refreshes on any page, if changes are made.
[13:26:58] 	hmh really got the feeling. and i know it wouldn't make sense
[13:27:20] 	ok i have Special:Newpages included. maybe that's why?
[13:27:24] 	Duesentrieb: thanks alot :)  Yeah I've already warned my boss that it would probably only work in IE..
[13:27:30] 	:S
[13:27:32] 	Hi, FIle uploads are stalling at 4.8M yet $wgMaxUploadSize is set at 700MB (don't ask), any idea why? I'm using latest svn code.
[13:28:17] 	zsh, make sure your PHP and web server configurations are correct.
[13:28:27] 	zsh, both PHP and your web server probably have max upload sizes too.
[13:28:38] *Simetrical 	always used to say "Apache", not "web server", until he started using lighttpd on his own site \o/
[13:29:15] 	php.ini is set, hadn't thought about apache...
[13:32:08] 	Hmm, I always find myself deleting the maxlength parameter on edit summaries when I want those extra few characters, now that I realized you can actually get through 50 characters more than the limit.  :D
[13:33:30] 	03btongminh * r34658 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[13:33:30] 	Backport API bugfixes from trunk to REL1_12 that caused PHP to spit out fatal errors:
[13:33:30] 	* (bug 13442) Missing pages in prop=langlinks and prop=extlinks are now handled properly.
[13:33:30] 	* (bug 13482) Disabled search types handled properly
[13:33:30] 	* (bug 13836) Fixed fatal errors resulting from combining iiprop=metadata with format=xml
[13:34:37] 	i have an extension reading current visitor stats. but it doesn't refresh until you purge / change page. is there maybe some code to force it? e.g. {{#currentusers:}}
[13:35:04] 	MONK3000, to work properly, that extension needs to disable the parser cache for the pages where it's used.
[13:35:14] 	Note that on a heavily-trafficked site this will have fairly nasty performance consequences.
[13:36:20] 	hrr. that extensions has quite a lot parser problems in general
[13:40:03] 	the sizes of files uploaded is erratic 49MB, 8.81MB, 4.98MB and so on but never the full size of the file
[13:40:45] 	zsh, is Apache configured right?  Can you make large POSTs to arbitrary (non-MediaWiki) URLs?
[13:41:10] 	(and preferably non-PHP . . . although I don't know whether Apache will tolerate POSTing to a static file)
[13:43:46] 	Simetrical: apache configuration is ok.  I haven't tested it on a non-mediawiki page.
[13:44:17] 	 MONK3000: how can we get email notification
[13:44:18] 	?
[13:44:26] 	 MONK3000: it doesn't works for me
[13:45:35] 	check LocalSettings.php        $wgEnableEmail = true;
[13:47:17] 	03(mod) Special:Emailuser should have an input form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13879  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:47:26] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_notification_.28Enotif.29_settings
[13:47:29] 	03(mod) Special:Emailuser should have an input form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13879  -need-review -patch  (10innocentkiller)
[13:47:39] 	heshanmw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_notification_.28Enotif.29_settings
[13:51:53] 	03(mod) Meta: Exclude spam reports from indexing via robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14076  +comment (10admin)
[13:52:31] 	03(NEW) Sysops can not move a page to a create-protected title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14093 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (thogol)
[13:55:27] 	MONK3000: do I swet those in localsettings.php?
[13:55:36] 	MONK3000: *set
[13:56:14] 	03(mod) block new spam only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14092  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[13:56:35] 	03simetrical * r34659 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[13:56:35] 	Tweaks to Special:ListGroupRights:
[13:56:35] 	* Have the internally-used permission key in parentheses after the descriptive text, since a primary purpose of the page is for sysadmins' convenience.
[13:56:35] 	* Make sure to use the word "rollback" in rollback-related messages -- that's the name of the button, after all.
[13:56:37] 	* Adjust the wording of a couple of other messages so they sound better or are clearer.
[13:57:27] 	03(mod) Sysops can not move a page to a create-protected title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14093  15enhancement->normal (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:57:53] 	heshanmw: yes all global settings ($wg...) from that page net to be set in LocalSettings
[13:59:10] 	03(mod) Sysops can not move a page to a create-protected title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14093  normal->minor (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:00:50] 	how big is the performance penalty for uploading large files on mediawiki? ie. how big of a security risk is it? 
[14:02:15] 	performance is not usually related to security
[14:02:41] 	flyingparchment: DOS attacks
[14:04:06] 	zsh, the only thing at risk is your bandwidth.
[14:04:12] 	In principle, anyway.
[14:04:19] 	At least I can't think of what else would go wrong.
[14:04:39] 	Well, resizing might be an issue, but there are config options to restrict that separately.
[14:13:05] 	03btongminh * r34660 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): (bug 14093) Do 'sysop' => 'protect' magic in Title::isValidMoveOperation
[14:15:33] 	03(FIXED) Sysops can not move a page to a create-protected title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14093  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:24:50] 	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:28:21] 	03huji * r34661 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 14063) Power search form missing  for redirects check
[14:28:54] 	03(FIXED) Power search form missing  for redirects check - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14063  +comment (10huji.huji)
[14:36:59] 	how can i let an extension check the MIME type? i mean: if (MIME type=AUDIO) {
[14:38:01] 	mime type of what?
[14:38:17] 	of an uploaded file
[14:38:46] 	if you have an Image object, you can just ask for the mime type or the media type (depending on what you want to do)
[14:39:18] 	03rotem * r34662 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[14:39:53] 	i want to change includes/ImagePage.php  i want to change the ouput for audio files.
[14:41:21] 	you should not do that there. you would register a handler for the respective file format. the handler is responsible for generating the html for displaying the file.
[14:42:32] 	yes i knwo i shouldn't. it's just a tiny tweak. want to change [[Media:$filename|$filename]]  (what displays teh DL link) to {{#mp3|$filename}} what will let the audio play using another extension
[14:42:50] 	but it should use [[Media:$filename|$filename]]  if the desc page is for an image
[14:43:01] 	why not just tell the audio player that it should handle more extensions?
[14:43:40] 	i'm not sure where the defaults are assigned, but it should just be a single line that assignes a given mime type to some handler (i.e. player)
[14:43:46] 	and that line should be in the config.
[14:44:15] 	but to answer your original question: in ImagePage, you just do $this->img->getMimeType()
[14:44:51] 	the extension only plays the file when you use {{#mp3|foo}}  i mean it works fine now using {{#mp3|$filename}} but that will let images play as well ;)
[14:46:02] 	$this->img->getMimeType()  ok but how to do if AUDIO > THIS else > THAT
[14:46:16] 	is there a quick was to check out what version of mediawiki a server is running?
[14:46:20] 	MONK3000, look at the first part of the MIME type?
[14:46:23] 	pizzahead, Special:Version
[14:46:27] 	thank you
[14:46:39] 	AUDIO is not a MIME type. it's a media type
[14:46:46] 	so, use getMediaType()=="AUDIO"
[14:46:52] 	(which is what you want, i guess)
[14:47:08] 	or check getMimeType()=="audio/mp3" if you only wnat mp3
[14:47:17] 	the extension seems quite wrong though
[14:47:33] 	the extension is ok. my description is bad
[14:47:45] 	ok trying. 
[14:47:46] 	it should just be a media handler. it could be configured using $wgMediaHandlers["mp3"] = "Mp3HandlerWhatever";
[14:47:54] 	no special tags, no tweaks... it would just work.
[14:48:20] 	MONK3000: using a special tag/parser function for specific file types is simple The Wrong Thing.
[14:48:24] 	it's broken by design.
[14:49:07] 	03(mod) Special:Emailuser should have an input form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13879  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:49:21] 	i don't get what you have about the extension. just imagine i want to use [[Media:$filename|This is an audiofile]] if desc page is for audio and [[Media:$filename|This is an image]] for images
[14:49:52] 	{{#mp3|foo}} is just the code callign the extension
[14:50:41] 	ups. {{#mp3:foo}}.  well, just like {{#icon:foo}} for Extension:Icon
[14:51:30] 	Media:... is not for embedding. it's explicitely for *not* embedding, but for linking to the plain data
[14:51:31] 	Image:... is for embedding (for any type of file)
[14:51:31] 	and that is exactly what is achieved by registering as a media handler
[14:51:32] 	no hackish {{#mp3}} stuff needed. no special case for the image page needed either.
[14:51:32] 	it'll just work, like ogg files work on wikipedia
[14:51:56] 	as i said: broken by design. #icon is a hack too (though a useful one)
[14:52:19] 	my point is: why use {{#mp3|whatever}} if [[Image:my.mp3]] could simply work?
[14:52:32] 	that would be consistent with media handling in general
[14:53:26] 	[[Image:my.mp3]] doesn't play the file. check the speaker icons on http://mixesdb.com/db/index.php/User:MDB
[14:53:56] 	yes. it does not play the file. IF the extension was written and registered the RIGHT WAY, then it WOULD work.
[14:53:58] 	which is may point.
[14:54:14] 	hacking ImagePage is bad. getting hte extension right is good.
[14:54:19] 	simple as that.
[14:55:10] 	AHHHHHHHHHHHHH now I get what you mean. Teh extenions should make [[Image.. play the file. I see
[14:55:36] 	well it was written by someone else just for me. so nothing official
[14:56:31] 	MONK3000: then maybe you can point him in the right direction :)
[14:57:46] 	ooh i stressed him enough and i'm happy it works as is
[14:58:39] 	MONK3000: anyway, for future reference, here's what Wikipedia uses for OGG: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OggHandler
[14:58:54] 	MONK3000: a hander for MP3 could be written the same way
[14:58:57] 	hm... actually...
[15:00:26] 	MONK3000: i think wikimedia's ogg handler canactually handle mp3 too. you just need to register it for audio/mp3, and it should work :)
[15:00:33] 	i'm not sure, but it's worth a try :)
[15:00:36] 	the ogghandler doesn't fit my needs 
[15:01:07] 	i need it tiny and inline
[15:02:35] 	hmkay
[15:02:57] 	and i find it why mp3 is supported. it's a free format as ogg and 99% of the people would need it
[15:03:02] 	**fidn it odd
[15:05:23] 	MONK3000: it's not free. it's patented by frauenhofer, and they demand money if you create an encoder -- at least under some circumstances.
[15:05:57] 	bot anywone is free to allow mp3 on their wiki. there are several player extensions that support it
[15:06:11] 	(one of them i wrote. using the wrong way)
[15:06:26] 	well, that was before the media handler interface existed :P
[15:06:32] 	the entire reason ogg exists is that mp3 is not free
[15:07:14] 	probably. though vorbis is suppoed to be actually better than mp3 quality-wise, right?
[15:07:27] 	yes, but that's not really enough reason to displace a widely accepted existing format
[15:07:33] 	true
[15:07:43] 	also, modern mp3 encoders are very good.  i think vorbis is only relevant at low bitrates (<=96k)
[15:07:49] 	otherwise, HTML would be long dead :P#
[15:09:26] 	MONK3000: btw, most linux distributions don't include a mp3 codec per default. guess why.
[15:11:13] 	got it working using {{#if:getMediaType()=="AUDIO"|{{#mp3i:$filename}}|[[Media:$filename|$filename]]}}
[15:11:19] 	http://mixesdb.com/db/index.php/User:MDB/Works
[15:12:36] 	Re mp3: LAME is free and better than Fraunhofer
[15:12:54] 	MONK3000: you miss the point.  the entire mp3 format is non-free
[15:13:12] 	MONK3000: if you use lame, you have to pay royalities to fraunhofer, even though you don't use their encoder
[15:13:31] 	this applies to any software that encoders audio to mp3 format
[15:13:32] 	but lots of apz use LAME. ogg-handler is an aplication no?
[15:13:44] 	those applications are of dubious legality
[15:13:52] 	and ogghandler doesn't encode mp3s
[15:13:54] 	(afaik)
[15:14:08] 	yes it even just decodes. anyway
[15:14:25] 	bah not even that. confused**
[15:14:52] 	i think the cortado applet also suppoerts mp3, but i'm not sure.
[15:16:06] 	maybe i got confused woth the tritonus stuff somewhere
[15:17:24] 	flyingparchment, aren't the patents in question only applicable in certain countries?
[15:17:38] 	I thought the EU didn't allow software patents, or something like that.
[15:17:38] *Simetrical 	reads
[15:17:58] 	Simetrical: software patents have been granted in the EU for quite some time now.
[15:18:11] 	Hmm.
[15:18:14] 	Simetrical: there's no law about it though. so it is questionable if those grants are valid.
[15:18:27] 	attempts to pass such a law failed.
[15:18:46] 	so, the situation is very much unclear
[15:19:08] 	AaronSchulz, perhaps you already know this, but two boxes show up on redirected pages. Example: http://www.theopedia.com/Jesus
[15:20:04] 	"In September 2006 German officials seized MP3 players from SanDisk's booth at the IFA show in Berlin after an Italian patents firm won an injunction on behalf of Sisvel against SanDisk in a dispute over licencing rights. The injunction was later reversed by a Berlin judge;[22] but that reversal was in turn blocked the same day by another judge from the same court, "bringing the Patent Wild West to Germany" in the words of one commentator.[
[15:20:04] 	23]"
[15:23:21] 	I'm still trying to speed up my pages which use the MW API. I tried installing APC but the page loads went from bad to worse? Seems unlikely but i'm getting timeouts all over the place
[15:23:38] 	as i understood you only have to pay when use the fraunhofer mp3 format. LAME is a change in the algorhythm. that's why sony developed their own MP� PRO format which come in some sony aps
[15:24:26] 	anyway i'm proud mp3 is a german invention from ober 20 years ago! word.
[15:29:57] 	Are any API people around?
[15:30:58] 	AphelionZ: There might be, but ask away -- many of us have knowlege of the API.
[15:31:31] 	Well it seems like the bottleneck is in index.php?action=render
[15:31:35] 	our site is simply choking on it
[15:31:53] 	That has nothing whatsoever to do with the API.
[15:32:29] 	Have you tried memcached though?
[15:32:38] 	ah. still its killing us
[15:32:46] 	memcached? no..?
[15:32:53] 	i have misermode turned on
[15:33:00] 	misermode probably won't help
[15:33:02] 	and i tried APC but that didnt work, in fact it seemed to make things worse
[15:33:27] 	Is there anything else running on the server?
[15:33:40] 	Please be more precise regarding the term "bottlenecck"
[15:33:47] 	well the live site and the dev site are running on the same server
[15:33:49] 	its CentOS
[15:34:05] 	page load times are taking up to 10-12 seconds when rendering wiki content
[15:34:17] 	Do you have this issue rendering normal pages?
[15:34:32] 	no, other pages generally smoke
[15:34:37] 	go fast
[15:34:42] 	hmm
[15:34:45] 	one moment
[15:35:46] 	Do you get this problem on both sites?
[15:40:36] 	no
[15:40:43] 	hey
[15:40:44] 	just on the dev site which is API driven
[15:40:53] 	wikibon.org vs wikibondev.org/wiki/v/Home
[15:40:54] 	how does one move a page without creating a redirect?
[15:44:58] 	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10leon)
[15:45:20] 	MinuteElectron - do you see the difference?
[15:46:01] 	CIA lags a bit.
[15:47:50] 	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10leon)
[15:52:34] 	LeonWP: Or just generally fails.
[15:53:07] 	AphelionZ: I'm not sure.
[15:53:12] 	define API driven?
[15:53:32] 	MinuteElectron, or that.
[15:53:50] 	i mean the content and the source get pulled from index.php (i know its not API, but.. come on) and the other stuff like pageinfo, history, etc gets pulled from the API
[15:54:18] 	AphelionZ: Why are you using the API?
[15:54:28] 	what do you mean?
[15:54:32] 	nm
[15:54:34] 	what else would I use?
[15:55:06] 	nevermind
[15:55:11] 	ok
[15:55:30] 	03(NEW) When the expansion size is reached, the editor is not warned about it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14094 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (nicdumz)
[15:55:39] 	sorry :p
[15:55:47] 	we just want a cool site that's content driven
[15:55:58] 	and integrates social networking features and this seemed the best way
[15:56:04] 	It is an odd problem, if you are running your extra stuff via an extension then you could try getting action=raw and then using parser->parse()
[15:56:11] 	^^ This one has a patch attached, any review would be welcome :)
[15:56:31] 	naw it's codeigniter running as the framework and just making API calls
[15:56:40] 	i dont think I have the option of making MW function calls
[15:57:10] 	ok
[15:57:22] 	hello
[15:58:04] 	im sorry, i dont mean to be difficult
[15:58:22] 	AphelionZ: It's ok.
[15:58:24] 	its just that i thought this was working ok last night and it seems like its just a nightmare today
[15:58:27] 	so many timeouts
[15:58:27] 	once you have uploaded a file to mediawiki how do you reference it within a page edit?  
[15:58:31] 	and i dont know what else I can do!
[15:58:35] 	what about memcaching?
[15:59:00] 	pizzahead: [[Image:Imagenam.ext]]
[15:59:28] 	and does mediawiki have attachment versioning?
[15:59:32] 	thanks minuteElectron 
[15:59:55] 	There are no such things as attachments, but images are versioned.
[16:00:30] 	our developers have been using mediawiki and I had started to use twiki for storing operation procedures with intent on making it our document repository 
[16:01:00] 	MinuteElectron: and images are global, not really tied directly into a specific page
[16:01:07] 	03aaron * r34667 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Give rev_page to avoid secondary lookup
[16:01:14] 	MinuteElectron: since they are direct urls would you be able to use acl's ?
[16:01:17] 	pizzahead: They are global.
[16:01:21] 	acl's?
[16:01:38] 	group access permissions etc.
[16:01:46] 	no
[16:01:55] 	there isn't really such a thing within mediawiki itself
[16:02:04] 	you can use img-auth.php or something
[16:02:08] 	it seemed like that's what i was picking up from the documentation 
[16:02:19] 	that is regarding actions
[16:02:29] 	I'll take a look, thanks again
[16:02:29] 	you cannot limit one group to only accessing certain pages
[16:02:34] 	(at least by default)
[16:02:42] 	you can install extensions to acheieve that
[16:02:45] 	or simply run more wikis
[16:02:50] 	hi MinuteElectron
[16:02:58] 	essentially i wanted to eliminate anonymous viewing of these procedures and access to the topology diagrams I would be uploading
[16:03:02] 	Nikerabbit: hello
[16:03:20] 	pizzahead: You can do that, either use img_auth.php or use hashed image directories.
[16:03:31] 	thanks again, I have a bit of reading to do :)
[16:03:36] 	The former is probably more secure, but more resource intensive and difficult to set up
[16:04:00] 	Simetrical: yay, a bit late though
[16:04:40] 	03(NEW) Sometimes the sighted box is shown for unsighted revision (stable=0) directly after edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14095 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:05:39] 	MinuteElectron: can you glean any clues from http://wikibondev.org/w/profileinfo.php
[16:07:40] 	Not really, i don't have a clue why you are having problems
[16:07:41] 	03(mod) Sometimes the sighted box is shown for unsighted revision ( stable=0) directly after edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14095  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:09:14] 	03(FIXED) Sometimes the sighted box is shown for unsighted revision ( stable=0) directly after edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14095  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:10:14] 	03(FIXED) No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13869  +comment (10alefzet)
[16:10:58] 	03(CLOSED) No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13869  (10alefzet)
[16:12:16] 	alright
[16:12:18] 	weird
[16:17:07] 	06(LATER) Meta: Exclude spam reports from indexing via robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14076  (10mike.lifeguard)
[16:17:32] 	is memcaching still a viable option?
[16:17:37] 	maybe
[16:18:35] 	Simetrical told me that rendering is just slow in general
[16:19:21] 	Nikerabbit, ?
[16:19:29] 	AphelionZ: it should be a magnitude slower.
[16:19:42] 	Simetrical: the better wording for rights
[16:19:57] 	like a *little* slower?
[16:20:00] 	AphelionZ, you have multiple servers or just one?  If just one, APC user cache is fine.  If multiple, use memcached for parser cache.
[16:20:14] 	APC destroyed us this morning
[16:20:20] 	it messed everything up
[16:20:34] 	Hmm, for some reason I assumed you were on just one server.
[16:20:35] 	can't blame you, it's documentation is next to non-existent
[16:20:39] 	If you weren't, it would do that, yes.
[16:20:46] 	MediaWiki would assume it could use it by default.
[16:20:51] 	also, if you have too little memory it slows to crawl
[16:20:55] 	Not sure how it behaves with multiple-server setups.
[16:20:58] 	MediaWiki, that is.
[16:21:13] 	How it handles the parser cache and so on, if memcached isn't enabled.  I guess it uses the database?
[16:21:20] 	Hmm, I think that's right.
[16:21:35] 	Anyway, parsing a page: often >1 s.  Retrieving from memcached: <1 ms.
[16:22:16] 	!apc
[16:22:16] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "apc".
[16:22:16] 	normal "served in" times are between 100 to 200 ms for us with apc
[16:22:21] 	!cache
[16:22:21] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "cache". You might try: !memcached !purge !refresh 
[16:22:31] 	Hmm.
[16:22:34] 	!opcode
[16:22:34] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "opcode".
[16:22:47] 	AphelionZ, anyway, you want APC, but with the user cache disabled, if you have multiple servers.
[16:22:56] 	Use memcached instead of APC user cache.
[16:23:03] 	If you have a single server, use APC user cache instead.
[16:23:12] 	XCache can be substituted for APC in all of the foregoing.
[16:23:30] 	i am on just one server
[16:23:34] 	xcache doesn't have a cool mediawiki extension :)
[16:24:32] 	AphelionZ, hmm, odd.
[16:24:39] 	AphelionZ, what did APC do when you installed it?
[16:24:46] 	How much free memory do you have on the server, generally?
[16:25:56] 	how can I find that out?
[16:26:06] 	APC slowed us down and caused a sh*tload of timeouts
[16:26:13] 	we took it off and it all went away
[16:27:26] 	I have to go, sorry.  Later, maybe.
[16:28:08] 	its ok
[16:28:12] 	unrelated question:
[16:28:31] 	Does anybody know anything about lowercase usernames not working or not being recognized by the API / Mediawiki in general?
[16:28:49] 	free -m will give you memory usage.
[16:29:21] 	AphelionZ: the first character/
[16:32:34] 	03aaron * r34668 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[16:32:34] 	* Deal with crappy articleFromTitle() use in wiki.php
[16:32:34] 	* Add wfdebug calls to be clean
[16:33:31] 	yeah, like im pretty sure lowercase wont work
[16:33:34] 	but Lowercase will
[16:34:02] 	03(mod) The revision size is not available for old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12188  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[16:37:09] 	have you seen that before?
[16:39:36] 	http://wikibondev.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Special:UserLogin
[16:39:39] 	even in my raw wiki
[16:39:45] 	try logging in with lowercase:lowercase
[16:39:48] 	and it doesnt work
[16:40:59] 	03aaron * r34669 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Move article init to MediaWikiPerformAction hook
[16:42:19] 	AphelionZ: That's intentional/
[16:42:22] 	i think
[16:42:34] 	theres some variable to stop it though
[16:42:54] 	ooh i need that variable
[16:44:35] 	yeah it is intentional
[16:45:44] 	i just registered a new 'lowercaseguy' and it changed it to Lowercaseguy
[16:47:02] 	MinuteElectron: how can I find this variable
[16:47:11] 	!settings
[16:47:11] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "settings". You might try: !adminsettings !config !defaultsettings !enotif !errors !extranamespace !javascript !logo !newusergroup !subpages !tidyforidiots !uploads !version 
[16:47:15] 	!config
[16:47:15] --mwbot--	All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and 
[16:47:23] 	erm
[16:47:23] 	well
[16:47:29] 	look on the configuration settings list
[16:47:32] 	in mediawiki.org
[16:47:41] 	kk
[16:50:36] 	03(NEW) Special:LinkSearch should search/filter by namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14096 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LinkSearch; (mike.lifeguard)
[16:51:38] 	$wgRestrictionTypes ?
[16:52:08] 	AphelionZ: what's wrong with APC?
[16:52:21] 	It destroyed our site this morning
[16:52:26] 	and didnt speed anything up
[16:52:39] 	in fact, it made everything slower and then caused a bunch of timeouts
[16:53:04] 	14(DUP) Special:LinkSearch should search/filter by namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14096  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[16:53:11] 	AphelionZ: no
[16:53:13] 	03(mod) Namespace filter in Special:Linksearch on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10593  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[16:53:25] 	things are looking decent now i think
[16:54:28] 	i cant find that variable
[16:54:39] 	its not in the user, general, or misc sections
[16:55:07] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCapitalLinks ?
[16:55:18] 	yes
[16:56:59] 	awesome
[16:57:48] 	hrmm this is actually going to mess a ton of stuff up
[16:58:04] *ialex 	waves to Jack_Phoenix
[16:58:11] 	i'd better just do a fix on the login and register pages
[16:58:19] 	no you wouldn't
[16:58:24] 	since that would screw up user pages
[16:58:45] 	03aaron * r34670 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: OOP
[16:58:46] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves back to ialex :-)
[16:58:50] 	is there a way to automatically get CC'ed on all, say, i18n bugs?
[16:58:54] 	and every single thing about lower case first letters
[16:58:58] 	LeonWP: not really
[16:59:03] 	Bah.
[16:59:14] 	03brion * r34671 10/trunk/extensions/BotQuery/query.php: 
[16:59:14] 	* Apply $wgEnableAPI state to query.php
[16:59:14] 	* Disable query.php if anons are forbidden from reading pages in general
[16:59:16] 	subscribe to wikibugs-l then use a mail thing to filter out all non-i18n things?
[16:59:51] 	MinuteElectron, well, I'm using mutt's great scoring features, which mostly do the trick already
[16:59:56] 	brion: :s
[17:00:10] 	cool
[17:00:28] 	AaronSchulz, did you see my message about the page redirect bug for your extension?
[17:00:34] 	MinuteElectron: what do you suggest?
[17:00:35] 	yeah, fixed on SVN
[17:00:51] 	I was just going to force all registered users to have a capital letter
[17:00:55] 	AphelionZ: just not let lower case first users
[17:00:59] 	yeah
[17:01:02] 	thats what im gonna do
[17:01:13] 	AaronSchulz, super. Two more things to pester you with:
[17:01:41] 	AaronShaf: the hook it used was called in odd ways
[17:01:46] *AaronSchulz 	stabs wiki.php
[17:01:54] 	switched it to a better one
[17:02:04] 	AaronSchulz, 1. Is there a way to auto-review all the pages at once? We'd like to start with nothing in our "unreviewed pages" list. 2. Is there a way to list reviews right within "recent changes"?
[17:02:39] 	they are disabled from RC due to the fact that they tend to flood on large wikis
[17:02:47] 	do you want an option to have it on?
[17:02:56] 	AaronSchulz, yes, that would be stellar
[17:08:40] 	03aaron * r34672 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Add $wgFlaggedRevsLogInRC
[17:10:03] 	AphelionZ: did you try eaccelerator ?
[17:10:47] 	hi
[17:11:06] 	hey
[17:15:14] 	AaronShaf: done
[17:15:35] 	thanks so much
[17:20:14] 	AaronSchulz, If a change is made, but then rolled back, it shows up as "2 changes" waiting to be reviewed. That seems counterintuitive
[17:21:59] 	AaronShaf: it counts by revisions
[17:22:07] 	there is no easier way ;)
[17:22:15] 	I understand
[17:22:30] 	generally, that is good enough, and fast
[17:22:42] 	also, they draft and stable should be synced most of the time
[17:23:04] 	AaronSchulz, any tips on having all the pages auto-reviewed at once, so that the list of unrevewed pages starts empty?
[17:23:23] 	AaronShaf: you'd have to write a batch query
[17:24:04] 	go through all the pages, and call autoReviewEdit
[17:24:13] 	AaronSchulz, I was wrong, it doesn't show up as "2 changes" waiting to be reviewed. http://www.theopedia.com/Church
[17:24:33] 	AaronSchulz, in other words, it works great
[17:26:18] 	03ialex * r34673 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/dtree.js: svn:eol-style native
[17:42:54] 	03ialex * r34674 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
[17:42:54] 	* Added JavaScript to allow to add and remove items in associative arrays and in
[17:42:54] 	$wgGroupPermissions. The latter require Ajax enabled to work (it is used to get
[17:42:54] 	the new checkboxes). Since Ajax is disabled by default in < 1.10, adding and
[17:42:54] 	removing groups in $wgGroupPermissions will be disabled in that versions unless
[17:42:55] 	$wgUseAjax is set to true.
[17:42:57] 	* Moved functions defined in Configure.php to Configure.func.php
[17:44:30] 	03aaron * r34675 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Code elegance
[17:48:04] 	03btongminh * r34676 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialVersion.php: Add a link to viewvc
[18:14:17] 	hey brion :-)
[18:20:28] 	hey Jack_Phoenix 
[18:20:35] 	rar
[18:20:50] 	hi - I was wondering if there was a project to "abstract the database"? 
[18:21:16] 	Jack_Phoenix: fi:WP:Yhdistys (+talk page) :)
[18:21:28] 	I know MediaWiki does have an abstraction layer but I was wondering if even more decoupling was planned.
[18:21:44] 	e.g. there is database access code ALL over the place in the codebase...
[18:24:36] 	str4nd: mielenkiintoista, erittäin mielenkiintoista :-)
[18:25:53] 	jldupon1: It should all be going through the Database class, what code do you mean?
[18:27:25] 	 G_SabinoMullane:  I am really after a way to replace the database access layer with something else based on a WEB-Service API...
[18:27:52] 	I understand this is a HUGE project so I was wondering if anything was being done at least somewhat in the direction I am trying to go.
[18:27:55] 	jldupon1: We are talking about MediaWiki here, right? :)
[18:28:01] 	Yes we are.
[18:28:16] 	Jack_Phoenix: tuli vaan mieleen, nyt kymmeneksi tunniksi junaan ->
[18:28:39] 	jldupon1: No, I don't think anyone has done that or has plans to.
[18:28:43] 	Hi, a question, How can I include a custom .js file in mediawiki?
[18:28:56] 	str4nd: mmh, kiitokset sinulle :->
[18:29:30] 	G_SabinoMullane: I don't recall seing your name on MediaWiki.org : what username do you use?
[18:30:00] 	03(mod) "The following 200 pages are in this category" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14083  (10brion)
[18:30:57] 	Liquix: use MediaWiki:Common.js
[18:31:01] 	jldupon1: turnstep, but I don't do too much on the wiki itself.
[18:32:18] 	Ialex: But I want to include a dynamic .js file created from PHP, and putting javascript in an existing file just wont go
[18:33:10] 	03(mod) spam blacklist manual seems to be obsolete/wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14089  (10brion)
[18:34:10] 	Liquix: you can use BeforePageDisplay hook to add a javascript file from PHP code
[18:34:19] 	03(mod)  spam protection text could mention reason from spam blacklist log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14090  (10brion)
[18:36:29] 	haha
[18:36:32] 	hi all
[18:36:38] 	any API user or dev here=
[18:36:51] 	it just occurred to me that the reason why some anons and even normal users weren't getting newtalk notifications
[18:36:59] 	was due to       && !($minoredit && $wgUser->isAllowed('nominornewtalk') ) ) {
[18:37:01] 	:P
[18:37:19] 	 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=backlinks&bltitle=Main%20Page
[18:37:19] 	     
[18:37:19] 	twinkle and a few other warn scripts automatically tick the minor edit box on user warnings
[18:37:20] 	but when i use this parameter
[18:37:21] 	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=backlinks&blcontinue=0|Main_Page|3023429
[18:37:21] 	 i get only two results and no continue link
[18:37:47] 	HD|dev > you also have to include the original query afaik
[18:37:51] 	but this contradicts with http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Linkliste/Hauptseite
[18:38:11] 	i.e., include everything in the original api.php request, but just tack on the "blcontinue" arg
[18:38:18] 	slakr, same
[18:38:19] 	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=backlinks&blcontinue=0|Main_Page|3023429&bltitle=Main%20Page
[18:38:29] 	OH FUCK
[18:38:30] 	sorry
[18:38:33] 	I am stupid
[18:40:22] 	AaronSchulz, When reviews are included in "recent changes", the RSS feed item is a little quirky... it shows the last diff
[18:47:03] 	03(mod) New-messages bar not coming up and/ or getting stuck up for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9213  (10slakr)
[19:21:37] 	03(NEW) SMWRSSResultPrinter ignores query order when date is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14097 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[19:22:05] 	03(mod) SMWRSSResultPrinter ignores query order when date is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14097  (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[19:27:41] 	Is there a way to set a category as restricted so that you have to enter a password for viewing the site?
[19:29:34] 	ok, I'll google
[19:31:29] 	no
[19:39:18] 	03(mod) "The following 200 pages are in this category" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14083  +comment (10pathoschild)
[19:49:10] 	03siebrand * r34678 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/ (Maintenance.i18n.php Maintenance.php Maintenance_body.php): 
[19:49:10] 	* add/update descriptionmsg
[19:49:10] 	* fix grammer error in 1 message
[19:49:10] 	* update indentation and alignment
[19:49:10] 	* remove trailing whitespace
[19:54:32] 	03siebrand * r34679 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for Maintenance and SimpleAntiSpam extensions
[19:56:37] 	03siebrand * r34680 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleAntiSpam/ (SimpleAntiSpam.i18n.php SimpleAntiSpam.php): * update indentation and alignment
[19:57:14] 	03siebrand * r34681 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleAntiSpam/SimpleAntiSpam.i18n.php: Add newline
[19:58:42] 	03siebrand * r34682 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/Maintenance.i18n.php: 
[19:58:42] 	* add newlines
[19:58:42] 	* update one message
[20:00:45] 	INSERT INTO `globaluser` () values () result in "Duplicate entry 'Bot' for key 2 (127.0.0.1)" (Bot is the username ;) when creating a new account when a global user with the same name already exists (wich seems to be allowed by error) and $wgCentralAuthAutoNew = true
[20:01:09] *ialex 	stabs CentralAuth
[20:08:44] *Dantman|Away 	wishes the updaters.inc setup in MediaWiki was as comprehensive as RoR's migrations...
[20:15:21] 	hello
[20:18:31] 	hi, i have a fresh installation of 1.12.0 , how do I get rid of 'index.php' in the URL i.e. convert http://domain1.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page to http://domain1.com/wiki/Main_Page ?
[20:19:22] 	!shorturl | faceoffailure
[20:19:22] --mwbot--	faceoffailure: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[20:22:08] 	thanks Duesentrieb 
[20:24:35] 	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[20:27:43] 	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[20:27:58] 	03(FIXED) spam blacklist manual seems to be obsolete/wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14089  +comment (10email_metawiki_138)
[20:28:45] 	03siebrand * r34683 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/Maintenance.i18n.php: Update message (articles -> pagina in the main namespace)
[20:30:10] 	03siebrand * r34684 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/Maintenance.i18n.php: images->files
[20:31:10] 	03ialex * r34685 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_arab.php MessagesKk_cyrl.php MessagesKk_latn.php): (bug 12145) Kazakh message updates
[20:32:41] 	my connection seems to be damn slow
[20:34:02] 	Fire: :)
[20:34:04] 	03siebrand * r34686 10/trunk/extensions/Maintenance/Maintenance.i18n.php: Update 'maintenance-memc-fake'
[20:34:32] 	03yaron * r34687 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: 
[20:34:32] 	Replacements are now done as MediaWiki jobs, and replacement is a two-part
[20:34:32] 	process, showing the user a list of pages to be replaced among which they
[20:34:32] 	can choose.
[20:35:07] 	03yaron * r34688 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceTextJob.php: New class to hold MediaWiki job that does actual replacement
[20:35:37] 	can someone put "applied in r34685" on bug 12145 and resolve it ? :)
[20:35:56] 	03yaron * r34689 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.i18n.php: Changed value of 'replacetext_docu', added 'replacetext_choosepages'
[20:36:16] 	siebrand: since you like picking apart the messages in the maintenance extension, you may want to consider fixing the messages in the /maintenance directory as I just copied verbatim from them
[20:36:16] 	03yaron * r34690 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/README: New version: 0.2
[20:36:32] 	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:36:44] 	also, who's yaron?
[20:37:09] 	some guy
[20:37:16] 	Skizzerz: semantic wikimedia guy
[20:37:41] 	hmm, he should really commit everything at once, not one commit per file
[20:37:52] 	yeah, i just looked in my thing
[20:37:58] 	s/thing/email
[20:38:05] 	about 10 e-mails from him :O
[20:38:43] 	Then again, I'm hardly one to talk all the duff commits I make.
[20:38:56] 	But in general you could just skip passed them if you don't want to read them.
[20:39:08] 	And in general it should be one feature\bug per a commit
[20:39:12] 	in case it gets reverted
[20:39:27] 	and, you want to buffer your commit count to look cool, of course
[20:42:17] 	quality > quantity
[20:49:58] 	Skizzerz: indeed
[20:54:35] 	Bah... you think you installed imagemagic when you really didn't...
[20:54:55] 	Imagemagick, Houdini edition
[20:56:02] 	03siebrand * r34691 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (29 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-05-12 22:45 CEST)
[20:57:43] 	minuteElectron: so I've removed indexing from the images directory to prevent people from browsing it's contents and I will be looking into image auth in a bit to take care of direct linking.  Now I'm trying to figure out how I can have multiple views or sections of the wiki that would let me group pages together like webs in twiki.  Any ideas?
[20:58:26] 	making it easier for permissions to be assigned etc.
[20:58:43] 	03siebrand * r34692 10/trunk/extensions/ (46 files in 46 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-12 22:45 CEST)
[21:00:55] 	maybe namespaces?
[21:02:19] 	yes, namespaces
[21:02:25] 	but you'll still need an extension
[21:02:42] 	and the only decent one got broke in the latest release
[21:03:44] 	minuteElectron: I started going through extensions when I realized there were user rights ones
[21:03:47] 	haven't run any yet
[21:03:59] 	PermissionACL sounded interesting but no idea on when it was released
[21:04:16] 	can I edit with a bot without starttime/edittime?
[21:06:38] 	pizzahead: lockdown is good but it got broked
[21:06:51] 	there are patches to fix it
[21:06:55] 	HD|dev: sure
[21:07:04] 	k thx
[21:07:34] 	HD|dev: oh, right; thought you were editing through the api
[21:07:37] 	ignore my comment
[21:08:15] 	kk
[21:08:23] 	kthxbye
[21:08:53] 	^_^ And todays winner for the questions you wouldn't be using if you used a bot framework instead of writing from scratch goes to....
[21:09:00] 	heh
[21:09:35] 	writing your own framework beats using the crappy broken pywikipedia ;)
[21:09:43] 	Dantman|Away: implementing your own bot framework is fun!
[21:09:56] *Dantman|Away 	wanted to make one in lisp
[21:10:02] 	Dantman|Away: I partially implemented (i.e. login +edit functions) a nice PHP mediawiki framework.
[21:10:08] 	yesterday i think
[21:10:10] 	I'll make one in brainfuck.
[21:10:11] 	heh
[21:10:12] 	or the day before
[21:10:15] 	rotfl
[21:10:22] 	Dantman|Away: Then I found out that there already existed one.
[21:10:38] 	ttg
[21:10:46] 	ttg?
[21:11:55] 	Travel Trade Gazette.
[21:12:01] 	how long before a bot framework can be written into wikicode...
[21:12:12] 	{{#httpconnection:}}
[21:12:48] 	lol Spl
[21:12:53] 	that'd be fun ;)
[21:13:01] 	Splarka, {{malloc:}} :D
[21:13:21] 	03siebrand * r34693 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/checkLanguage.inc: Partial revert of r12145. Bug 12145 Kazakh message updates did not mention/motivate these changes.
[21:13:44] *slakr 	combines both functions into one:  {{#hackme:}} :P
[21:13:59] 	rofl
[21:14:16] 	{{#editpage:en.wikipedia.org|Foobar|+ "{{db-author|I want this page huffed}}"|- /(.|\n)*/i}}
[21:14:37] 	aww huffing ^_^
[21:24:28] 	03(NEW) Add magic word for user interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14098 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Eugene.Zelenko)
[21:26:36] 	03(FIXED) Automatically post welcome message to new users' talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4914  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[21:29:08] 	14(DUP) Add magic word for user interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14098  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:29:11] 	03(mod) Variable {{USERIFCODE}} (user interface language code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2085  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:32:08] 	03(mod) E-mail notifications (enotifs) are not sent in the recipient' s user interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2592  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:32:16] 	14(DUP) Send notification mails in the user's preferred language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11133  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:35:47] 	$wgAllowCopyUploads = true; I dunno quite where to post it but when a file is uploaded using an external URL teh URL should / could be copied in the description (nicely formatted)
[21:44:03] 	man
[21:44:21] 	seems like discussing anything to do with wiki admins gets you banned pretty fast around here
[21:44:28] 	almost like they have something to hide
[21:44:33] 	this isn't the drama channel
[21:44:41] 	it's development support for MediaWiki
[21:44:53] 	which one is the drama channel?
[21:45:00] 	#wikipedia
[21:45:07] 	im banned from there already
[21:45:25] 	I think I managed to ask if wiki was run by transexuals, jews and furries
[21:45:33] 	nobody disgreed
[21:45:41] 	which was unsurprising
[21:46:11] 	play with fire, get burned
[21:46:13] 	fire: thanks
[22:01:33] 	ciao knuddels
[22:01:58] 	03brion * r34694 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/commandLine.inc: 
[22:01:58] 	apply live hacks from wikimedia site:
[22:01:58] 	* fix $wgDBadminuser/pass usage with new load balancer
[22:01:58] 	* some test.wikipedia check... yay hardcoded crap :D
[22:01:58] 	* hardcoded wikimedia PMTPA check, yay
[22:05:27] 	03nad * r34695 10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/NewUserMessage.php: add and settings
[22:22:24] 	03(NEW) Protecting a page flags it even if the admin does not have the right to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14099 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Complexwikipedia)
[22:29:19] 	03(mod)  Protecting a page flags it even if the admin does not have the right to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14099  +comment (10nakonwiki)
[22:34:45] 	03(mod) Create Wikimania 2009 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13547  +comment (10axel9891)
[23:09:02] 	03(NEW) when no value set for "Max # Changes in watchlist" default is zero. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14100 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (ivar-wikimedia)
[23:09:44] 	03brion * r34696 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[23:09:44] 	Revert r34585: "Normalise also special page names (in addition to namespace)"
[23:09:44] 	Unclear what it's meant to accomplish, but it appears to break at least the AJAX
[23:09:44] 	search on special page list. Unable to get it to jump through the list properly,
[23:09:44] 	probably due to being impossible to work with a Title object with an arbitrary
[23:09:45] 	name, so it's impossible to jump partway into the list.
[23:12:11] 	hello
[23:12:30] 	White_Cat
[23:12:42] 	hi !
[23:13:34] 	siebrand
[23:13:51] 	zanatos: ask questions first, shoot later.
[23:14:28] 	hello
[23:14:33] 	i need help
[23:16:04] 	zanatos: need something?
[23:16:51] 	guess not
[23:17:16] 	brion: r34585 is supposed to accomplish that de, and kk-* localisations use parser functions in their messages, because the change is supposed to localise special pages names also, compared to the previous behaviour where only the namespace names was localised.
[23:17:41] 	brion: "use parser" => "NOT use parser"
[23:21:24] 	siebrand: it's about normalization of title objects. what's that to do with parser functions in messages?
[23:21:54] 	brion: f**k if I know. Just explaining what Nikerabbit thought it was supposed to do.
[23:21:58] 	heh
[23:22:01] 	well, it's broken
[23:22:04] 	so.... don't do it :D
[23:22:12] 	brion: I didn't! :)
[23:23:24] 	commint (commit comment)
[23:24:08] 	anyway, generally special page names shouldn't be exposed directly in message text, as that's a bit rude
[23:24:19] 	so using the canonical forms in the message source should always be correct
[23:27:57] 	mmm.. couldn't {{#special:}} be used to normalize in messages when needed?
[23:28:30] 	brion: the issue is that they are not satisfied with a non-normalised special pagename in a url or a tool tip.
[23:28:41] 	for example...
[23:28:47] 	brion: hence they are using the damned parser functions.
[23:28:48] 	the url or tool tip should show the normalized page
[23:28:58] 	if it's not, that's a bug over in the parser / link generation
[23:29:05] 	*NOT* in title internal objects
[23:29:18] 	[{{fullurl:{{#special:Log}}|page={{FULLPAGENAME}}&type=block}} user blocks]
[23:29:29] 	brion: just check MessagesDe.php and MessagesKk_cyrl for #special. That's where they think the code is broken.
[23:29:37] 	silently changing the values means you can't deal with intermediate text very cleanly, so it'll mess up any kind of search system
[23:30:53] 	anyway that's my opinion :D
[23:31:18] 	oh, En also uses it in 'signature-anon'
[23:31:32] 	(minor usage in cs, de-formal)
[23:33:55] 	right, that's a case of creating text for later editing
[23:34:09] 	in which case a substitution of a local canonical form sounds reasonably correct
[23:35:58] 	brion: so how to get rid of the magic words in the messages and make the code work as it should?
[23:36:10] 	brion: on a message-use by message-use basis?
[23:36:38] 	(and not as Niklas did it?)
[23:38:04] 	03brion * r34697 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Revert r34559 and fix r34542 -- include rightclickedit.js for 'edit on right click' pref, must have forgot to finish it up before commit :D
[23:39:12] 	siebrand: when links are formatted with a special page target, it should be getting normalized there. the canonical form should be used for URL and tooltip
[23:39:19] 	may belong in Linker
[23:39:52] 	brion: OK. Thanks for the input. I think Nikerabbit should have the info he needs to work on it ;)
[23:40:40] 	"Canonical" is "mashed-up English version" or "standard localized version"?
[23:40:56] 	er
[23:41:05] 	sorry, site-language standard form :)
[23:41:11] 	whatever special page thingy normalizes it to
[23:45:01] 	"add  and  settings"
[23:45:16] 	I see we have another command-line committer who has not yet mastered the art of escaping.  :D
[23:45:31] *Splarka 	wonders when MediaWiki namespace message names will be localized
[23:46:55] 	03brion * r34698 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: 
[23:46:55] 	Revert r34619, r34622 and do it right. :)
[23:46:55] 	* $extensionsList is a local variable, not a global, so there is no actual register_globals danger -- just annoying E_NOTICE spam.
[23:46:55] 	* Setting $extensionList won't help with warnings about unset $extensionsList ;)
[23:46:57] 	* Cleaner to set it in the fallback case near where it's set otherwise, rather than at the top of the function far, far away from its use
[23:55:31] 	ok, gotta run
[23:59:19] 	03nad * r34699 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DatabaseMssql.php: remove licence etc to make same as the other DB includes