[00:02:42] 03alnokta * r34842 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/templates/index.html.tmpl: update [00:09:08] is there a way to watch all the pages on a wiki? [00:09:18] s/a/my/ [00:09:31] bad regex, on my wiki [00:10:05] mobius: watch all pages? Just look at the recentchanges [00:10:37] but i want an email notification [00:10:41] mobius, you can be e-mailed on all changes. [00:10:45] There's a config option for that. [00:10:49] ah hm [00:11:24] any idea what it is? [00:11:26] :) [00:11:31] !config [00:11:31] --mwbot-- All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and [00:11:38] There should be a list there somewhere. [00:11:46] It's at Manual:Configuration options, I think. [00:14:43] hm... can't seem to find it still [00:15:02] *Simetrical looks [00:15:30] !wg UsersNotifiedOnAllChanges [00:15:30] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges [00:15:39] ah [00:15:46] I was looking for "watch" [00:15:49] thanks [00:16:44] 03(NEW) typo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14130 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (hartman) [00:16:53] 03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 (10hartman) [00:19:35] 03danny_b * r34843 10/trunk/tools/planet/ (25 files in 13 dirs): + cs planet [00:20:26] 03(mod) typo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14130 15enhancement->trivial (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:34:44] I can upload videos under 16 meg, but just at 16M the upload page just clears, no message... Ideas? [00:45:09] re [00:45:14] hiya [00:54:15] 03(NEW) Enable multiple import sources for el.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14131 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (aprekates) [01:13:08] 03(mod) Enable multiple import sources for el.wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14131 +comment (10ariel) [01:16:46] 03(mod) Readers without Javascript see box always in expanded state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14128 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [01:22:05] 03(mod) Readers without Javascript see box always in expanded state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14128 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [01:25:42] 03(mod) Readers without Javascript see box always in expanded state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14128 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [01:27:31] 03(NEW) Omit bot edits in recent changes from being sent to UDP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14132 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (dotcom) [01:52:17] Hello, often when I attempt to save edits on my wiki, I get this message, Opening index.php You have chosen to open index.php, which is a: PHP file from [the URL]. What should Firefox do with this file? [01:54:18] when you click edit? or when you click save? [01:56:29] when i click save. Here is a photo: http://www.2odessa.com/wiki/Image:Problem_when_saving.PNG#filelinks [01:56:32] thanks tim! [01:57:25] there is a long discussion about this same issue, except it was when the guy clicked save. [01:57:40] i mean edit, [01:57:52] so the solution he had doesnt help me [01:58:22] could be the server issue and not the software [01:59:26] hi all [01:59:32] hi [02:00:41] odes3: is it a shared host? [02:00:50] it happened after i messed around with localsettings. maybe. I add extensions and tweak my web page all the time. I am hosted by siteground. [02:01:28] since i usually have to test and fail the changes to my site aobut a million times, because I am no expert, i am sure it is a problem with localsettings or monobook. [02:01:39] i guess you all have never heard of this problem before :( [02:01:47] i was hoping it was common. [02:02:06] Thanks tim and ktc for talking.... [02:02:31] sometimes we see problems like this when your site is hosted by a cluster of webservers [02:02:37] i hope to god visitors who want to edit my wiki are not having the smae problem [02:02:41] which can happen without you knowing it if you're on shared hosting [02:02:42] same problem [02:03:04] if one of the servers is broken, then sometimes it will work and sometimes not [02:03:10] true, but I suspect its my fault. [02:03:15] i see sc [02:03:28] nvm what i just typed misclick [02:03:56] it usually happens when there is a lot of information I am trying to save--which points to a possible server issue right? [02:04:16] after two or three times of trying to save the page, it works [02:04:25] if happens off and on. [02:04:28] the only time i see php script that should work returning a prompt asking you to save etc. is when the server didn't have enough memory and so it was maxing out and the php engine wasn't running returning any result [02:04:57] the guy on this page: http://docwhat.gerf.org/2007/03/its_all_text_v06/#comment-2143 [02:04:58] odes3, in that case, i suspect your server might not have enough memory [02:05:18] Firefox is saying that the file is being served as “PHP” instead of HTML. If PHP was working, it would interpret the PHP and PHP sets the type to HTML. [02:06:30] really, how can i be for sure KTC? [02:06:47] i am having siteground host my page because I am no programmer at all. [02:07:20] So KTC, you have seen this before? [02:07:27] In mediawiki? [02:07:31] other people will probably know better than me how to check, do you have shell access? [02:07:38] Easy question on initial install - I have my site directory open on ftp, and I have a rar with a mediawiki-1.12.1 directory in it. Do I place the 'mediawiki 1.12.1' directly into my site? or do I just put its contents in? [02:08:05] no, i've seen other php software exhibit the same behaviour [02:08:14] i can make a picture of what I have [02:08:17] one sec [02:08:21] i dont know [02:08:23] *qsheets wonders where brion is [02:08:41] i will go to cpanel [02:08:48] and do a screen shot [02:09:42] i dont think i do though [02:17:08] KTC, you still there, here is a picture of my cpanel.... [02:17:25] http://www.2odessa.com/wiki/Image:Cpanel.PNG [02:18:38] i asked the support team a while back what i could modify--i don't have root access. so i guess i don't have shell access (they are the same correct?) [02:18:56] no [02:19:25] root access => shell access. shell access !=> root access [02:19:33] i c [02:20:10] any suggestions on where i can find help for this problem? any support forums, etc? [02:20:11] i don't think you can see memory related stuff on cpanel, only WHM [02:20:20] thanks for your time. [02:20:22] whm? [02:20:40] WebHost Manager [02:20:44] i looked it up [02:20:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHM#WHM_.28Web_Host_Manager.29 [02:20:54] there is the memory on the right side [02:21:04] okay thanks so much KTC [02:21:21] my roommate wants t oget on the internet---i need to get off so he can use the cable [02:21:28] ask your host whether you are using up all your memory? *shrug* [02:21:37] okay, hope you fix whatever the problem is [02:21:39] I am copying documentation from meta to mw.org - What about articles in other languages than english, should they be moved too? [02:21:52] oh maybe good idea [02:29:48] can someone take a look at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialEmailuser.php?r1=33315&r2=34631 and see why I can send email even though my account is blocked from sending mail? [02:43:50] 03(mod) "checkExtesnionCompatibility" mispelled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14130 summary (10pathoschild) [02:54:53] Hi. Has anyone managed to encapsulate the PHP parser in a distributable way? I'm doing article rendering on the OLPC laptop, where we don't have PHP, and the other parsers all suck in various ways (as I was forewarned). [02:55:24] For example, I think there's some kind of PHP compiler out there. Maybe I could use that? [03:21:22] 03(NEW) Special:Emailuser allows email-blocked users to send email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14133 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (nakonwiki) [03:37:25] 03(mod) Special:Emailuser allows email-blocked users to send email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14133 normal->major (10nakonwiki) [03:47:39] 03(mod) Special:Emailuser allows email-blocked users to send email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14133 +comment (10tstarling) [03:50:40] 03(FIXED) Special:Emailuser allows email-blocked users to send email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14133 major->normal; +comment (10ktc) [03:55:58] 03(NEW) Autoblock duration much longer than original block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14134 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (turbo_benar) [03:56:10] 03(mod) Special:Emailuser allows email-blocked users to send email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14133 (10tstarling) [03:56:33] is there a bugzilla bureaucrat here? [03:56:33] ...having problems getting uploads working, i've added the appropriate extension to $wgFileExtensions, but the uploads keep coming back "".doc" is not a permitted file type. Permitted file types are png, gif, jpg, jpeg, doc, docx." any help? [04:47:21] 14(WFM) "checkExtesnionCompatibility" mispelled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14130 +comment (10vasilvv) [04:48:30] hi VasilievVV Raymond_ [04:48:43] hi Fire [04:48:51] morning :) [05:13:57] hmm, maybe trying to download the entire code on svn isn't what i was after [05:13:59] *KTC try again [05:22:58] Hello, excuse to repeat the same question that yersteday, but how can i delete the link "make a don" in the navigation bar on the left ? [05:23:15] !sidebar | GoNoGo [05:23:15] --mwbot-- GoNoGo: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [05:27:53] no, the edit of the sidebar don't show the last line "faire un don" in french. So i can't delete this line ! [05:29:58] it [05:30:00] does [05:30:08] remove line with "sitesupport" [05:35:00] now i've a problem of right on the page !! and i'm wikisysop !! [05:41:20] hello [06:07:03] 14(WFM) Autoblock duration much longer than original block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14134 +comment (10ktc) [06:18:01] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10josepro) [06:43:00] 04(REOPENED) Exclamation Marks in watchlist behave wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14127 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:53:01] how I get the lasted updates on article? [07:15:30] re [07:15:38] hi [07:18:45] 03(mod) Feature request: Ajax autoloadable Recentchanges specialpage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5560 (10dan_the_man) [07:19:05] *Raymond_ kicks CIA-50 [07:19:06] ow [07:19:38] Dantman: thanks for asking!! [07:19:50] Eh? [07:20:18] indeed, you didn't [07:20:43] I work on so much a one liner isn't going to point me to what you are talking about. [07:21:39] talking about the revert [07:22:14] Revert first discuss later, as is always if something breaks [07:22:47] nah, that's bri0n style [07:22:50] I'm not subscribed to mediawiki-cvs, so I can't reply to the commit [07:22:57] you can start the discussion [07:23:31] I was expecting you to start it [07:24:34] Heh... you could forward the commit from the mailing list to me so I could start it [07:24:40] 03(FIXED) Exclamation Marks in watchlist behave wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14127 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [07:25:47] we can discuss here too [07:26:04] We already did... Probably best for outside opinion now [07:26:23] Though, if you have an idea on how to use absolutes without breaking symlinks I'd be happy to discuss that [07:26:49] I may have [07:28:55] Mkay... spill... I've dealt with variations of paths for awhile in my experimentation so I should be able to understand what PHP will do with them [07:29:44] you could try for example if this works: $preIP = realpath( '.' ); [07:31:01] 03(mod) FlaggedRevs caching/slave lag issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14029 (10JSchulz_4587) [07:31:06] 03(mod) Exclamation Marks in watchlist behave wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14127 (10JSchulz_4587) [07:31:21] ^_^ Now that idea is an interesting one [07:32:17] '.' works as the current working path and is what we are already prefixing with... And the realpath will expand to the full path [07:32:41] Ya... I'll do a quick test just to make sure it won't follow symlinks at all [07:32:52] well, it does [07:32:57] Well I mean to early [07:33:49] Dantman: I'm sorry for being cranky to you [07:33:56] Meh [07:36:33] File: http://tablename.dev.wiki-tools.com/test/sym.php Symlink: http://tablename.dev.wiki-tools.com/sym.php [07:36:58] ^_^ It correctly uses the full path that will follow the symlink, instead of preemptively following it [07:37:17] That should work in 100% of all installations which currently work [07:37:25] Go ahead and do it [07:38:08] ok, I'll look at it later [08:03:17] <_wooz> lo [08:18:07] 03(NEW) Intermittent caching problem with MediaWiki: Sidebar in kshwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14135 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [09:09:50] 03(mod) SpecialPage::getTitleFor does not return a localised name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14118 (10raimond.spekking) [09:22:23] http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 [09:33:22] Is there an easy way to dump a list of bad links? Bad image links, page links etc. [09:34:40] special:wantedpages? [09:35:09] that lists all links to non-existent pages [09:38:21] 03(mod) Add domain aliases, or redirects, for ISO 639-2/ 3 language codes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14010 +shell (10danny_b) [09:54:01] 04(REOPENED) HTML code cleanup (#mw-revisiontag) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13984 +comment (10danny_b) [10:00:35] 03(mod) Message bar for changes to userspace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13985 (10danny_b) [10:01:11] re [10:01:50] w [10:04:16] w? [10:05:39] 03(mod) Add user preference to opt out of email notification for bot edits ( similar to $wgEnotifMinorEdits) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13992 +comment (10danny_b) [10:05:51] was trying to be brief! "welcome back" reduced to 8 bits of data [10:06:08] not counting the PRIVMSG IRC overhead packet info of course [10:06:55] splarka: lol, nice excuse for a ypo [10:06:58] typo [10:07:39] it wasn't a typo ^_^... although ironic to typo typo [10:07:52] -.- [10:08:00] 03(mod) editing section 0 of an empty page gives no such section error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14005 15enhancement->normal (10danny_b) [10:12:17] 03(mod) #ifexist: is producing line break if semicolon is first character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14036 minor->normal (10danny_b) [10:18:08] Special:wantedpages only shows page links.. is there any way to do it for images too? [10:18:38] 03(mod) Easy to parse recentchanges feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14045 +comment (10danny_b) [10:18:47] 03(mod) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 (10danny_b) [10:20:16] hi VasilievVV [10:20:43] re Fire [10:26:16] ï»żAnonymities: images are showing up in my wanted pages list [10:27:51] 03(mod) Add user preference to opt out of email notification for bot edits ( similar to $wgEnotifMinorEdits) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13992 (10jayvdb) [10:28:24] hello TimStarling [11:19:52] *Werdna waves [11:19:59] I just spent 3 hours studying. yay. [11:22:03] anybody there? [11:22:10] !ask | spsneo|work [11:22:10] --mwbot-- spsneo|work: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [11:27:45] I just spent 3 hours studying. yay. <-- if I spent as much effort studying as i have been on these codes i might have passed :D [11:28:39] hehe [11:28:41] which codes? [11:29:29] Extension:Boardvote still :( [11:29:50] still trying to understand enough of Schulze method to make sure i have it right [11:39:26] KTC: :P [11:52:10] TimStarling: here or busy? [12:31:54] gah, Bryan's not here [12:34:52] any idea why the spam filter would block this: ?? [12:36:04] width:1% ? uh? [12:37:37] i didnt code this [12:37:40] I was wondering if I can somehow have text wrap around the automaticaly generated table of contents in an article, instead of the text following below the table [12:38:05] but it was in my mainpage and was being stopped by the filter [12:38:10] ierpe, are you sure it's not something else on the page? [12:38:18]
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[12:38:31] yes that's what the filter was blocking on, and when i deleted it it was working [12:38:38] Nikerabbit: is this for me? [12:38:46] try it [12:39:18] Nikerabbit: the things is that I want to apply it globaly in the entire site, not just one page [12:39:40] try to edit the css then [12:40:13] should be pretty simple [12:40:18] !css [12:40:18] --mwbot-- To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [12:41:00] Duesentrieb, Nikerabbit: thank you. [12:47:19] Does anyone know if there's a way to merge two wiki's? (Like one that has 2000 articles and 4000 images with another one with 2000 articles and 4000 images?) [12:48:12] The numbers are just an example [12:50:45] LChaos: export, import [12:56:58] Hmm, CIA-50 is not announcing commits... [12:57:17] CIA is lazy the whole day :( [12:57:32] *siebrand kicks CIA-50. [12:57:50] doesn't help :( have tried it too [12:59:25] !shorturls [12:59:25] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [13:09:10] Hi all! I need to get the latest updates articles.. who knows what the class or method to use for this control? [13:09:20] It's like history? [13:15:30] 03(mod) "checkExtesnionCompatibility" mispelled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14130 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [13:16:33] Marcelo: get where and for what? inside an extension, or from outside? [13:17:37] Marcelo: from the outside, you can use the rss feed of Special:Recentchanges or api.php; inside mediawiki, there's the RecentChange class that represents a single change and has a bunch of utility functions. not sure if there's a canonical way to query recent changes... perhaps look in SpecialRecentchanges.php [13:19:04] Duesentrieb thanks... I'll going to check this class. :) [13:31:11] *Jack_Phoenix waves to ialex :-) [13:31:36] hi Jack_Phoenix :) [13:32:55] rar [13:36:50] gm Jack_Phoenix, ialex... [13:36:59] hey Wiredtape, how goes? :-) [13:37:02] hello Wiredtape [13:38:04] goes well :) - how's the new svn... ? [13:39:14] Simetrical: bug 14130 is really WFM rather than FIXED [13:39:26] commit access is fun ;-) committed some misc. fixes to ImageTagging extension just some moments ago [13:39:45] *Wiredtape wonders where semantic-mediawiki.org went to? [13:39:51] Jack_Phoenix: your svn name is ashley, right? [13:40:31] yah [13:40:43] ashley? [13:40:52] And what's your name on Wikimedia? [13:41:17] Wiredtape: old nick I used ages ago ;-> [13:41:31] VasilievVV: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Roosa would be me [13:41:47] :) [13:41:59] hello all [13:42:09] hello msinhore [13:42:21] Because I spent half an hour stumped wondering who is User:Sayuri and why is he so active on mw.org [13:42:41] how can I change as user administrator change other account level? [13:42:56] msinhore: Special:Userrights [13:43:12] VasilievVV, okay, thanks [13:43:31] VasilievVV: i only see two edits from that user [13:43:35] oh, wrong wiki :) [13:44:26] VasilievVV: did you find out who Sayuri is? [13:45:13] Wiredtape: it's Jack_Phoenix :) [13:45:35] Sayuri = Jack_Phoenix = ashley = Roosa :) ok, now i know.. [13:45:49] that's almost as many nicks as I have :) [13:46:02] let's not get me started on the linked nicks list at irc :p [13:46:14] Jack_Phoenix: have you used any other nicknames? [13:46:26] Jack_Phoenix: George_Bush ? :) [13:46:34] hello Hojjat [13:46:35] #uncyclopedia joke ;-> [13:46:41] hi there ialex [13:46:43] hi Hojjat [13:46:46] Hey Hojjat.. [13:46:49] :D [13:46:54] Wow! [13:47:00] hehe [13:47:03] It was great! [13:47:24] Indeed, after about 36 hours of being on duty, it was really refreshing! [13:52:08] does anyone remember how to install semantic-mediawiki? their website with the explanation is down for some reason ... [13:52:43] Wiredtape: google cache? [13:53:07] offsite docs really do suck :-( [13:53:09] Hojjat, i'll check :) (didn't think of that..) [13:53:25] but still some prefer them...MediaWiki.org is much more reliable [13:53:54] *ialex pokes CIA-50 [13:54:00] 03(NEW) "Templates used on this page" causes confusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14136 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (huji.huji) [13:54:43] ialex: it seems to be b0rken [13:55:00] :( [13:55:03] Jack_Phoenix: I agree [13:55:05] hasn't reported anything for the past...~30-40 minutes? or so [13:55:18] *ialex kicks CIA-50 [13:55:18] ow [13:55:23] hmm [13:55:27] google cache, worked.. thanks hojjat :) [13:55:43] :D [13:56:47] btw ialex...since you're very good at bugfixing, I would have one bug for you ;-) [13:57:00] Jack_Phoenix: let me sse [13:57:29]
MediaWiki version: [[Special:Version|{{CURRENTVERSION}}]]
[13:57:29] => output used to be "MediaWiki version: 1.13alpha (rXXXXX)" where XXXX would be the rev number [13:57:44] but recently, Bryan (I think) added a link to ViewVC (seen on Special:Version) [13:57:46] and now [13:57:51] the output of the above is: [13:57:57] MediaWiki version: 1.13alpha ([http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/?pathrev=34852 r34852]) [13:58:02] very ugly :-( [13:58:42] Jack_Phoenix: tell him this [13:58:58] Jack_Phoenix: why ugly? that should render as an external link [13:59:06] k, will do when he gets on [13:59:17] Hojjat: well, it doesn't in that context anyway [13:59:21] it does on Special:Version [13:59:40] Jack_Phoenix: in "which" context it doesn't? Can you show me a link please? [13:59:53] no link, but I can take a screenshot, one moment please [14:00:17] good' [14:00:22] Jack_Phoenix: so you're saying the ext.link isn't parsed when including {{Special:Version}} ? [14:00:36] and yes, that was Bryan's work: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialVersion.php?r1=34305&r2=34676 [14:00:54] or [[Special:Version|{{CURRENTVERSION}}]]? [14:01:06] Wiredtape: the latter [14:01:35] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox [14:01:39] are global vars even parsed? [14:01:51] such as {{PAGENAME}} ? [14:02:12] I don't think they are.. [14:02:13] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Danghel1 * <newuserlog-create-entry> <- sigh, who removed message loading :( [14:02:58] ialex: where did that come from?! [14:03:11] Hojjat: irc.wikimedia.org [14:03:30] urgh [14:03:35] Hojjat et al. -- here's a screenshot: http://images.wikia.com/communitytest/images/8/8c/Fail.png [14:04:45] Jack_Phoenix: and the wikisource of that page is? (rafb.net/paste) [14:05:12]
MediaWiki version: [[Special:Version|{{CURRENTVERSION}}]]
[14:05:26] pay no attention to the TalkHere extension...as said, it's my test wiki ;-) [14:05:50] got it .. [14:05:54] now thinking [14:06:03] *Hojjat changes to a sandglass icon! [14:06:07] 03(NEW) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de .wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (equazcion) [14:06:17] Jack_Phoenix: click on the sandbox link i provided before ;) [14:07:00] oh [14:07:20] ialex: :( it seems like a [] inside a [[]] is breaking things [14:07:37] ialex, Jack_Phoenix: {{CURRENTVERSION}} works correctly, alone [14:08:04] Hojjat: yeah, but when you want to link Special:Version ? :) [14:08:15] 03(NEW) page deletion throws database error on postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14138 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (river) [14:08:21] ialex: indeed, this is the only {{THING}} that outputs links [14:08:24] yup, hehe [14:08:25] which is bad practice, in my view [14:08:52] I'm fine with having such a link on Special:Version (that is what Bryan wanted) [14:08:59] or we should have {{CURRENTREVISION}} magic work [14:09:07] but I think {{CURRENTVERSION}} shouldn't rely on that change [14:09:32] I would switch the [] to an or use a make link in there, since parser doesn't workout [[ [ ] ]] correctly [14:10:34] 03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [14:11:05] wikibugs: parser shouldn't realy workout that! That is bad wikicode :) [14:11:14] wikibugs: sorry, that was to Wiredtape [14:12:16] Hojjat: i'm not saying it should :) I'm just offering a solution [14:12:44] Wiredtape: I still think we should make CURRENTVERSION output plain text, while Special:Version can have its link [14:12:51] what's wrong with that? [14:14:30] nothing, unless someone wants CURRENTVERSION to output that.. (which I thought was the whole point in what bryan did? ) [14:15:23] I'm afraid it wasn't. What Bryan wanted was, probably, to make sure Special:Version links to the SVN viewer (viewvc) [14:15:43] now, can someone please tell me why I can't svn update? [14:15:55] because they changed the server keys [14:16:03] iirc [14:16:04] shoot [14:16:06] yesterday [14:16:08] and what should I do? [14:16:20] Brion emailed wikitech-l about it too, iirc [14:16:25] ask Jack_Phoenix who did it yesterday [14:16:28] haven't checked the email! [14:17:09] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-May/037799.html [14:17:24] The key was changed due to a possible security problem with the [14:17:24] generation of the old keys: [14:17:24] http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html [14:18:16] if you can't do anything, you should generate a new key pair and send the public key to brion (iirc, hard to say as I'm using windows and haven't had this problem, heh) [14:19:31] Jack_Phoenix: I'm using Windows, and don't know how to "remove the old key records" [14:19:59] hm, that's a tricky one, then... :/ [14:20:21] perhaps KTC knows, he helped me to get started yesterday ;-) [14:20:35] *Hojjat stairs at KTC [14:20:51] Interestingly, "nothing" happens! Not even a warning [14:21:06] 06(LATER) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 +shell; +comment (10raimond.spekking) [14:21:35] putty agent stores the server's key somewhere on the first login. I don't know where it is [14:23:11] Jack_Phoenix: disabling user keys was different from changing the server key [14:23:39] ah, sorry :) [14:23:49] flyingparchment: any idea about what I can do? [14:24:02] what is your problem? [14:24:42] I can't login to the SSH server to run an SVN UPDATE [14:24:48] why not? [14:24:57] dunno! Maybe because the server key is changed [14:25:01] I'm on windows, using putty agent [14:25:04] it doesn't give you an error? [14:25:09] no error messages [14:25:16] :( [14:25:19] try to login normally via your ssh client [14:26:59] how do I do that? [14:27:13] open your ssh client, connect to the server [14:27:17] I mean, I can't get what yo umean by "normally" [14:27:18] oh [14:29:00] I got a warning about the difference of server key and what I have in registry, then I hit yes to save the new password [14:29:17] now it logs in, and the window closes right away (which is normal for svn.wikimedia.org, if I'm not wrong) [14:29:28] now try to use svn [14:29:46] that didn't work. But I think I know why [14:29:57] I had to close Putty Agent and open it again, to make it use the new values in the registry [14:30:02] now it is working :D [14:30:05] thank you flyingparchment [14:39:16] 03(mod) HTML code cleanup (#mw-revisiontag) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13984 (10JSchulz_4587) [14:40:22] 03(WONTFIX) Any revert to a flagged revision should be auto-flagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14074 (10JSchulz_4587) [14:40:42] AaronSchulz: morning :) [14:41:02] hey [14:41:05] is there a way to mova app pages from something like SQL1 to Sql1 which is more mediawiki friendly? [14:41:06] 03(mod) page deletion throws database error on postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14138 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [14:41:09] Raymond_: Afternoon! [14:41:21] Hojjat: yea, teatime :) [14:42:55] AaronSchulz: could you please have a look at http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main-Donau-Kanal&action=history&uselang=en ? The current revision was autosighted by the bot, but the previous revision is unsighted. Only the third revision (20:26, 13 May 2008) was sightes: [14:48:20] mediawiki [14:49:17] Fire: You here? [14:51:11] k [14:51:29] 03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [14:52:02] yes MinuteElectron [14:52:23] Fire: Might like to keep an eye on the channel, I think our troll's back. [14:52:59] or that [14:52:59] Thank you, flyingparchment. [14:53:08] MinuteElectron, I have guests here. [14:53:18] ahh, ok; have fun [14:54:27] hello, do you know if InnoDB make the wiki faster than MyISAM ? [14:54:45] *AaronSchulz loves questions like that :p [14:54:52] lol [14:55:13] i say that because i change hosting, he is using MyISAM and my wiki is very slow :( [15:00:01] 03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [15:04:51] hello i'm having a problem, i recently updated php and am now receiving a CGI error i'm not really sure where to begin but i was hoping someone could help [15:04:52] LChaos: export, import <- How does export, import handle if certain pages are identical? And can it import and export images as well? [15:06:00] LChaos: If it tries to import an already existing page the history of the imported pages is "merged" into the history or the existing page, and which ever has the latest revision date is made the current version. [15:06:16] What permission does one need to have to use Special [15:06:21] *Special:Lockdb [15:06:24] LChaos: it does not handle images (but can handle image description pages). it does not really operate on pages, but on revisions, so if a page already exists, the revisions in question are just added. if you import the same page twice, revisions are duplicated (i think) [15:06:46] LChaos: Special:Import itself cannot handle images, but you can import images into the image directory and then run a maintenance script to register them within the wiki. [15:07:16] Wiredtape: siteadmin [15:07:16] Wiredtape: You have to explicitely enable it, but the 'developer' user group is assigned to it by default; you can alter this, of course. [15:07:28] oh, maybe 'siteadmin' then -- I must be mistaken. [15:07:56] i thought "developer" is disused [15:08:24] Ahh, 'developer' is the group that is assigned siteadmin by default, and 'siteadmin' is the permission. [15:08:24] it is still present in DefaultSettings.php even though it's commented out iirc [15:08:38] well.. in a wiki of mine, i tried using it with the siteadmin.. (original user specified) and i couldn't use it [15:08:50] It's also listed here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#List_of_Groups -- maybe that is wrong though? [15:09:49] brion-!busy: welcome [15:11:06] hello brion [15:11:20] MinuteElectron : according to the page u just linked to, it is developer and the right is siteadmin.. thanks :) [15:11:25] hi brion [15:11:40] yw [15:13:59] is APCOND_EDITCOUNT a constant i can use in an extension to check a users edit count? [15:15:16] oops, that is an autopromote condition only, afaics ... is there something else i can use? [15:15:26] !c User [15:15:26] --mwbot-- See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classUser.html [15:16:42] User::edits( $userId ); or something like that [15:18:12] ok, thanks [15:21:26] flyingparchment: you helped another person, by proxy: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-May/037822.html [15:26:43] But the import feature can handle many pages at once right? [15:28:00] hmm.. having problems uploading on a new wiki.. error is : upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver.. permission is 755 , and what does public refer to? [15:28:09] LChaos: sure. the web-based one can handle a few dozen or maybe hundrets, but you can throw a coupld of million against the maintenance script (or the javabased importer, if you don't want to wait a few weeks) [15:28:35] Wiredtape: it'S the public dir assigned to the file store, as opposed to the private one where "deleted" images go [15:29:02] Duesentrieb: hmm.. ok .. but still I don't see what might the problem be.. [15:29:03] Wiredtape: 755 only works if it's owned by the php user [15:29:27] and safemode is off. and check if the subdirs are created with the correct permissions and owner [15:29:58] if you are using suphp, check the umask in the config [15:30:22] ahh.. suphp problem i'm guessing :) thanks [15:43:42] Wiredtape: I fixed that thing, btw [15:45:13] the currentversion thing? [15:50:24] Wiredtape: yeah [15:51:01] Hojjat, do you mind giving me your two cents on bug 14048? [15:51:11] Just a second [15:51:11] * what you think about it.. good idea/bad idea :) [15:53:18] the template is added to the top of the page, right? [15:54:01] *Hojjat pokes Wiredtape [15:54:17] Hojjat: sorry... yeah.. [15:54:35] well, the idea is good, but the method of implementation... it's not yet mature enough [15:54:58] needs further discussion. Such as whether the template should go on top or bottom, or even on talk apge [15:55:03] Hojjat: i switched it from template to a localsettings var.. since obviously there wouldn't be a template on the importing site [15:55:49] Hojjat: afaik GFDL requires the notice and attribution to be avilable on the page itself.. (therefore talk page wouldn't work) - but whether top or bottom is changeable easily.. [15:55:51] yeah noticed [15:56:17] and I think a global variable is not the solutin [15:56:28] you need somthing localizable... like a message? [15:56:44] i didn't think so either, but this would need to be a message (what i was thinking as well) [15:56:47] as I said, the idea is good, but the method of implementation is not ready yet [15:57:24] the question though is this: what do you do about sites that import mw stuff but without the "new" message.. or a site that imports into something non-mw.. [15:57:57] so you need to render the message beforehand.. [15:58:12] I wonder if I should raise this in wikitech-l (what do you think?) [16:01:09] *Wiredtape pings Hojjat [16:01:14] yeah [16:01:20] sorry [16:01:44] yes I think a wikitech-l discussion is almost mandatory [16:01:56] we need people with better understanding of the licences to get involved [16:02:18] ok... :) will do.. [16:03:36] thx [16:03:45] you're welcome :) [16:23:08] Jack_Phoenix: you triggered my SVN countervandal bot :) [16:23:34] no way :o [16:23:48] (and still haven't managed to fix this stupid extension...grumble) [16:24:28] *VasilievVV has wheel paranoia [16:28:13] VasilievVV, the bug was a legitimate issue at the time it was filed. WORKSFORME is only if the bug wasn't reproducible by anyone; the bug was totally reproducible, just look in the source code. :) [16:28:16] 03(NEW) Autocomplete should not kick in till at least 2 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14139 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (paul.irish) [16:28:59] Simetrical: it wasn't reproducable at the moment of reporting [16:31:29] 03(mod) Autocomplete should not kick in till at least 2 characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14139 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:31:38] 03(mod) Autocomplete should not kick in till at least 2 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14139 minor->15enhancement (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:32:06] Well, it was reproducible in the version used to make the report. [16:32:25] A bug filed for 1.12 isn't WORKSFORME if it was fixed in 1.13alpha, either. [16:41:13] 03(WONTFIX) Autocomplete should not kick in till at least 2 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14139 +comment (10brion) [16:44:38] bah, and i was just writing about cjk :P [16:45:23] <- should type faster in bugzilla reports [16:45:30] 03(NEW) Edit summary doesn't allow links with character references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14140 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (church.of.emacs.ml) [16:50:59] 03(NEW) string "overflow:auto; height:" is recognized as spam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14141 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (email_metawiki_138) [16:53:40] 03(mod) string "overflow:auto; height:" is recognized as spam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14141 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:55:24] Mid-air collision detected! [16:55:25] hehe [16:55:28] fun :> [16:56:18] 03(mod) string "overflow:auto; height:" is recognized as spam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14141 (10wikia.jack) [16:57:00] *nakon hit the same conflict [16:57:02] :) [17:06:36] 03(FIXED) (intermittent) {{PAGESINCATEGORY}} sometimes returns a negative number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13683 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [17:10:35] 03(mod) string "overflow:auto; height:" is recognized as spam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14141 +shell; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [17:11:18] Hmm, any chance of implementing Whatlinkshere as a Pager subclass? [17:11:45] It's horribly pathetic and broken. [17:12:33] heh [17:12:49] Simetrical: DIY :) [17:13:07] 14(INVALID) string "overflow:auto; height:" is recognized as spam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14141 +comment (10email_metawiki_138) [17:13:11] *AaronSchulz looks at bug 13683 :( [17:14:07] AaronSchulz, :( why? [17:14:31] the counters always suck [17:14:42] I thought a new one might be an exception [17:18:51] 03(NEW) Force acceptance of GPL instead of site-specific licence ( e.g. GFDL) for JavaScript pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14142 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (azatoth) [17:21:51] Simetrical: hope you won't wontfix that one ツ [17:22:55] that's just a technicality IMO [17:23:11] well, i don't think it's important at any stretch [17:23:25] the article text is in the page too, we should force that to be GPL [17:23:33] indeed! [17:23:40] Basically, yeah. [17:23:43] flyingparchment: the article text isn't a program per se [17:23:49] MinuteElectron: why are you op here? [17:23:58] The HTML output is a derivative work of the interface, so it needs to be GPL! [17:24:21] VasilievVV: I don't know. [17:24:43] the GPL is stupid, we should stop using it! [17:24:46] wait, that's actually true [17:24:50] :O [17:25:20] Simetrical: nobody cares [17:35:40] re [17:35:59] flyingparchment, what type of license do you prefer, CDDL? :) [17:36:11] MIT-style [17:36:33] for strong copyleft, i think the mozilla/cddl style works much better than gpl, but i dislike strong copyleft to start with [17:37:05] Without strong copyleft, WebKit would be closed-source. And lots of other things. Of course, there's a tradeoff, but I rather prefer strong copyleft. [17:37:33] It makes it less useful, but does a better job of spreading free software. So it depends on your priorities. [17:37:52] i'm not really interested in an argument about that. just saying, even though i think the cddl does make more sense than the gpl, i still wouldn't use it [17:39:08] Yeah, matter of opinion. [17:43:46] Does anyone log this channel? [17:43:59] http://tinyurl.com/2896ae [17:44:31] ty [17:47:33] hello [17:48:53] hmph :) [17:49:03] "oh, erm, our is not quite upstream , we rewrote it from scratch, and left the name and this cute logo" [17:49:21] whot? [17:49:43] 03(mod) Request to change namespaces on fy.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331 (10N/A) [17:50:10] Nikerabbit: upstream developers can never code* [17:50:20] Jack_Phoenix: etkai sĂ€ vaan [17:50:35] kyl mÀÀki Turus ;-> [17:51:42] Jack_Phoenix: mikset kĂ€ytĂ€ betawikiĂ€ [17:52:09] php-tiedoston muokkaaminen on helpompaa :) [17:53:07] Jack_Phoenix: tuski, ja nyt me ei saada tilastoja betawikiin reviewistĂ€ puhumattakaan :o [17:53:18] I am upgrading to 1.2 IN my AdminSettings.php file can I just make $wgDBadminuser = 'wikiadmin'; equal to root and give it my sql root password? [17:53:54] Or does it have to be my mediawiki admin sql user name? [17:54:29] root should work [17:54:33] huomattavasti helpompaa ja tuskattomampaa kun lisĂ€osassa on viestejĂ€ 20+ [17:55:06] Jack_Phoenix: mut ota huomioon me muut [17:55:13] mpaa? [17:55:45] mieluummin enemmĂ€n suomenkielisiĂ€ viestejĂ€ vaikka sitten tilastoiden kustannuksella kuin ei ollenkaan, imho [17:57:40] oops, root has no password, I had better fix that now [18:01:48] Jack_Phoenix: no ei tĂ€ssĂ€ nyt tilastojen vuoksi tehdĂ€ vaan laadun [18:01:52] 14(DUP) Intermittent caching problem with MediaWiki:Sidebar in kshwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14135 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [18:01:55] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Sidebar regularly falls back to an obsolete version, due to server cache effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5092 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [18:02:24] en nyt vĂ€ittĂ€isi omien kÀÀnnöksieni niin heikkoja olevan [18:03:18] Jack_Phoenix: no sitĂ€ ei tiedĂ€ ellei tarkista, ja mulle se on työlĂ€stĂ€ kaivella niitĂ€ jostain svn:stĂ€ :o [18:04:23] vĂ€ittĂ€isin, ettĂ€ voit aika lailla luottaa kÀÀnnösteni olevan kohtuullsen hyviĂ€. en kuvaisi niitĂ€ ehkĂ€ (vielĂ€) sanalla loistava, mutta melko hyvĂ€ ;-) [18:04:40] eek, suomeksi! [18:05:10] Jack_Phoenix: no nyt kun katon noita niin kyllĂ€ mĂ€ niitĂ€ korjaisin [18:05:31] teenpi sen samantein ettei unohdu [18:07:07] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Sidebar regularly falls back to an obsolete version, due to server cache effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5092 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [18:11:09] Jack_Phoenix: kunhan et muutoksia tee ulkopuolella niin en suutu [18:12:37] mmmh? [18:16:36] hello [18:16:40] Jack_Phoenix: nih [18:16:42] how do I get a full url? [18:16:46] so including http:// [18:16:50] eh? [18:17:41] 03(mod) Evaluating an interproject-interlanguage link over a non-existent project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7496 (10N/A) [18:18:59] Bryan: to what? [18:19:19] Jack_Phoenix: niin ettĂ€ muutoksia ei parane tehdĂ€, jos on tullu kÀÀnnös betawikistĂ€ [18:19:21] to something on this wiki ;) [18:19:49] joo, toki. mutta kun tuossa siis /ei/ ollut kÀÀnnöstĂ€ betawikistĂ€ nĂ€hdĂ€kseni, oli vaan englantia ja ranskaa jne. [18:19:52] in this specific case an image [18:19:54] like... in php or wikicode? [18:19:57] php [18:20:08] $file->getUrl() may return local urls [18:20:27] Bryan: you could look what special:filepath does [18:20:44] is there a way to variablize content - such as product documentation where the release name is unknown - and instead of manual search and replace, link to an external file that defines the variables? [18:20:49] that one is broken [18:20:58] it may use an internal redirect [18:21:00] opieyo: use a template? [18:21:21] I know how to create an url I just don't want to reinvent the wheel ;) [18:21:21] Bryan: broken? then fix it :o [18:22:52] Nikerabbit: i'll look into that. thanks. [18:37:30] 03(NEW) Add empty blocklog to criterias for autopromotion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14143 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken) [18:38:07] *Jack_Phoenix waves to ialex :-) [18:38:15] hi Jack_Phoenix :) [18:38:20] rar [18:45:27] check out our cool site notice: Support was added to Betawiki for the 200th MediaWiki extension message group: DPL forum. [18:57:39] 03(mod) Add empty blocklog to criterias for autopromotion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14143 (10JSchulz_4587) [19:02:05] Hmmmm. [19:02:05] http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-mediawiki/mediawiki/trunk/debian/patches/debian_specific_config.patch?rev=57&view=auto [19:03:05] G_SabinoMullane, do you know what this is? http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-mediawiki/mediawiki/trunk/debian/patches/fix_postgre.patch?rev=57&view=auto [19:03:24] I'm looking at the Debian patches to MediaWiki, which it seems they never bothered to consider submitting upstream. [19:04:08] Actually, that pgsql change seems to be the only one, other than changing paths. [19:04:13] Which is reasonable for a distro to do, I guess. [19:05:21] *Simetrical wonders if better support could be provided for that [19:06:48] Don't we have that select() for pg in core? [19:10:07] I don't know. [19:10:09] 03(FIXED) Add empty blocklog to criterias for autopromotion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14143 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [19:11:13] No, pgsql doesn't extend select(). [19:11:35] yay! progress ;-))) now instead of server does not exist i'm getting secure.wikimedia.org saying wiki doesn't exist ;-))) [19:14:27] G_SabinoMullane, apparently someone reported a bug in pgsql support to Debian and no one told us. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469841 [19:17:36] *poke* CIA-50 [19:18:11] *VasilievVV kicks CIA-50 [19:18:12] ow [19:20:35] CIA-50: hi [19:20:42] *AaronSchulz wonders what bot responses are set [19:20:48] CIA-50: !help [19:23:50] I was wondering the same, tried to slap him but nothing happened. [19:27:47] Bryan: why don't you use wfExpandUrl() instead of Http::makeFullUrl() ? [19:29:17] because I couldn't find it and nobody pointed me towards it [19:29:40] :) [19:38:19] tatata da! [19:39:27] narf. $wgDebugLogFile = '/var/www/localhost/htdocs/wiki/trunk/phase3/profilingdebug.txt'; [19:39:39] shouldn't that create the log file? [19:41:00] LeonWP : did you enable debug? [19:41:35] doesn't that enable debug? [19:41:56] i think you still need to enable the $wgDebug by setting it to true [19:42:31] /http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug doesn't say so [19:42:57] hmm.. let me take a look [19:43:01] hi [19:43:11] hi nanotonne [19:43:31] LeonWP: you need to touch it yourself afaik [19:43:39] how we can delete (clean/clear) history from modification? [19:44:31] LeonWP : you need to add $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and the error_reporting(E_ALL); and ini_set("display_errors", 1); afaics [19:44:40] (i want clear history log of modification, for page and for image) [19:45:11] nanotonne: not really possible.. but you can export the page.. and then import only the last revision into another page [19:45:38] i think there might be an extension that enables you to clear a specific revision history.. but i don't know if it is stable [19:46:13] Wiredtape: hmmm.... then none special page can do that? (or extention) [19:46:33] (and same for image history and archive) [19:46:39] maybe an extension that i don't know of [19:46:43] but i wouldn't bet on it [19:46:51] (i want NO TRACE of this :) ) [19:46:59] as history is an essential part of the gfdl/cc license that mw usually uses [19:47:06] so it was built to preserve it [19:47:17] and deleting it straight out of the database causes problems [19:48:28] Wiredtape, I did all that [19:48:37] Bryan, I also did that :) [19:48:45] yes, but when we have problem of wwebsite (error internat , time to time, from provider), this feature is very good because we do "add, and dell, and add"...... [19:49:06] (for retry with correct edition, etc...) [19:49:52] any know free.fr ?? [19:49:59] nanotonne : no matter what the *reason* is.. i don't know of any solution.. maybe there is an extension.. but you need to find it .. :) [19:50:03] Hey Skizzerz [19:50:11] LeonWP and you don't see anything in the log? [19:50:23] heya [19:51:06] Wiredtape, noe [19:51:30] I also tried making it world-writable [19:51:41] hmm.. what about permissions? (never mind you just answered that :) ) [19:51:47] that's a good question [19:51:49] i dunno [19:51:52] :) [19:51:54] Mhm. [19:59:04] calling error_log manually also works... [19:59:16] so it can't be a permission problem [20:06:48] wouldn't it be better if Title::isRedirect() returned the article id of article it points to? [20:07:32] rather than bool [20:07:46] how we can rename a image imported? or create a alias names ? [20:08:11] (various alias) [20:11:34] you can create image redirects by updating to the latest unstable code [20:14:26] is LocalSettings.php to be in ../ directory or ../config directory ? [20:14:51] the first one [20:15:01] ty [20:15:06] I have two for some reason [20:15:11] Why does this API reference not work? http://wikipedia.org?action=query&prop=info&titles=Main%20Page [20:15:12] config is badly named. that should really be called "install". [20:15:39] the config version is from setup [20:15:39] newmember: the installer creates one in the config dir. it's up to you to move it to make it go live [20:15:39] ahh, that sounds logical now [20:15:57] usually you move it from config to its parent directory [20:16:01] matthew__: en.wikipedia, not wikipedia [20:16:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Main%20Page is better [20:16:45] i see [20:17:17] Basically index.php when run the first time creates LocalSettings.php from DefaultSettings.php [20:17:22] It came back with this: Wikipedia does not recognize the action specified by the URL. [20:17:26] during web setup [20:17:38] I have been adding the permissions to LocalSettings.php to enable uploading, where should I see the upload options on my website? [20:17:58] I am trying to figure out how to use mediawiki's api--to get info out of it by automated processes. [20:18:12] So far, none of the examples in the API reference work.. [20:18:16] maybe the url is too short? [20:18:19] matthew__: what happens if you just load /w/api.php [20:18:20] ? [20:18:47] Duesentrieb: I get the API reference.. I printed that out.. and its next to me now.. [20:19:20] AaronSchulz: it seems that bot edits are not longer autosighted: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taurusgebirge&oldid=46086470&diff=cur [20:19:21] try http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Main%20Page [20:19:57] matthew__: load it again, and click one of the links there. [20:20:55] Wiredtape, Bryan, arg... after digging in the profiler code I tracked it down to $wgDebugLogFile being unset.. turned out that I set it at the begin of LocalSettings, while there was a $wgDebugLogFile = '' some lines below. [20:20:59] ... [20:22:20] Duesentrieb: ok, yes.. on en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php, the examples links result in something.. On our own wikis, it doesn't work. [20:22:22] you just had't passed the query string args to /w/api.php [20:22:36] Duesentrieb: Do I need to install something extra to have the API? [20:22:54] Duesentrieb: using these requires the ~/w directory? [20:23:34] matthew__: what does "it doesn't work" mean? [20:23:41] you get a blank page, an error, a 404? [20:23:56] matthew__: nothing extra is required, it should just work. what version of mediawiki are you using? [20:24:21] matthew__: are you using rewrite rules for short urls? [20:24:49] Duesentrieb: I am using version 1.12.0, using aliases in apache but not rewrite. [20:25:32] matthew__: what path do you have aliased? [20:26:10] Duesentrieb: aliases to support our wiki farm, such as: Alias /wsuwiki /var/www/devapps/wiki/mediawiki/index.php [20:26:25] 03(mod) Spam blacklist, vandals should not be able to duplicate links when spamlinks are already on page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14114 (10brion) [20:26:51] 03(mod) AJAX search during article edit clear edited text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9434 (10brion) [20:26:58] Duesentrieb: as wehere 'wsuwiki' is just one of the wikis in the farm.. others are 'ctltwiki', 'ctowiki', etc.. for different departments. [20:27:30] LeonWP: are wikicharts dead? [20:27:48] Duesentrieb: then in LocalSettings.php, I use the URI to determine what database to use, for each wiki. [20:27:48] matthew__: now i'm confused - what's /w/ then? [20:28:04] I think he is using PATHINFO [20:28:07] yes, that's the right way to handle a wiki farm [20:28:09] alnokta, yes. [20:28:13] Duesentrieb: /w/api.php is from the URI in all the mediawiki api examples.. [20:28:38] Duesentrieb: I noticed no ~/w directory is webroot but do notice api.php right there... [20:28:38] uh... but if /w/ is not actually path of one of your wiki, then it will not work :) [20:28:43] LeonWP: for good? :( [20:28:45] api.php is in the same location as index.php [20:28:50] and must be addressed there [20:29:02] Duesentrieb: right.. ok, let me retry this.. excluding the w [20:29:48] Quick question: In MoinMoin I can paste an IRC log into a page and wrap it in {{{#!irc some log text}}} to make it appear in a pretty format...does mediawiki have something similar? I didn't see anything about it in the main docs or in the extension list. Thanks in advance! [20:29:54] you siad /w/api.php gets you the api usage page... which makes me wonder... if you havn't set up anythoing to be at /w... you should not get anything form that path. [20:30:15] !highlight | sandy [20:30:15] --mwbot-- sandy: there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [20:30:27] sandy: dunno if that has IRC formatting, though [20:30:47] Duesentrieb, mwbot: Thank you for your pointers [20:31:04] Duesentrieb: not working.. but maybe due to my own code.. anyway--have to go to a meeting now.. will work on this when I get back.. [20:31:28] !thanks | sandy [20:31:28] --mwbot-- sandy: you are welcome. [20:32:13] 03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [20:34:05] 04(REOPENED) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [20:39:20] hi [20:40:09] Hello, I have a quick question [20:40:31] I want to run a private wiki for a small group of people [20:41:07] I know how to disable registration for anonymous users, but how do I register the people I want to have access manually? [20:41:19] login as a sysop [20:41:25] okay [20:41:29] Elsion: special:userlogin [20:41:56] can someone tell me what i have to check when i get the EMPTY_FILE error from the upload-form page? :/ i found via debugging that empty( $this->mFileSize ) in the SpecialUpload.php file [20:43:32] okay, thank you [20:44:36] 03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [20:46:44] hi [20:48:49] 03(mod) Create MediaWiki:Upload-description for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14116 (10brion) [20:50:56] no ideas? :< [20:53:44] Duesentrieb: ping [20:56:39] hi, any progress on Lockdown+MW1.12? and would updating Title.php from svn help? [20:58:09] no and no [20:58:27] some patches on the talk page though [20:58:48] 195 ppl in the chat room and noone to help me :< [21:00:03] I've senn that trivial patch, but it looks like it's coming with the problem of "title error" which is not that great for a production wiki. [21:00:32] which patch? [21:00:37] there are two [21:00:39] link plz [21:00:46] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Lockdown#Patch_to_work_in_1.12 [21:01:13] What MW are you on? [21:01:27] (version) [21:01:30] 03(mod) Create MediaWiki:Upload-description for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14116 (10danny_b) [21:01:47] currently I'm still on 1.10, but I was hoping to migrate to 1.12 as I'm changing hosts as well. [21:02:01] well [21:02:16] never ever upgrade while changing host, it always ends in disaster [21:02:25] change host then upgrade is always better [21:02:44] and i can guarentee you that that patch works in mediawiki 1.12 as i'm using it on a live wiki [21:03:17] my first test went quite well: import DB, run update.php chek if it's working. [21:03:54] ok [21:03:57] and what about "Anyway, it is not perfect, since the protected page now have "Title Error" as title and indicates that we must be connected to see the other pages. It could be understood as an site error by not connected people" ? [21:04:59] jamasi: where did you read that? [21:05:21] on that talk page I just linked [21:06:55] Well, did you try it, because I don't get that and I don't see how that patch could cause such an issue [21:08:34] no, I did not, yet, but I'll try now. [21:08:53] thanks so far for encouraging me. [21:10:13] MinuteElectron, jamasi: perhaps add your experience to the talk page. Maybe that error report is simply misleading. I didn't try it myself, but i also donĂ€t see how that patch could cause that error. [21:10:18] *Duesentrieb goes back to thesis writing [21:11:01] Duesentrieb: Your thesis must be big by now... [21:11:03] ;) [21:11:11] it's frigging huge [21:11:17] more than twice the size it should be. [21:11:22] >200p now :( [21:11:23] Duesentrieb: good luck on your thesis [21:11:28] thanks :) [21:11:35] *MinuteElectron feels sorry for the poor soul who has to mark it. ;) [21:11:43] me too [21:11:47] :P [21:12:17] well, more than 50 pages of that is appendix, and about 10 or so are niceties up front. leaves 140 pages of "real content". [21:13:45] 03(mod) Flagged page cannot be moved by non-sighters (tab is missing) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13994 (10N/A) [21:16:01] 03(mod) Flagged page cannot be moved by non-sighters (tab is missing) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13994 (10N/A) [21:19:31] Simetrical: Interesting link (Debian MW patches), thanks. [21:19:57] G_SabinoMullane: bug #14138 is yours, in case you didn't see it [21:21:25] 14(DUP) "Templates used on this page" causes confusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14136 +comment (10brion) [21:21:33] 03(mod) "Templates used on this page" should reflect what's being edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878 +comment (10brion) [21:21:37] flyingparchment: thanks, I'll take a look [21:22:28] 03(mod) "Templates used on this page" should reflect what's being edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878 (10brion) [21:26:33] 14(INVALID) Force acceptance of GPL instead of site-specific licence (e.g. GFDL) for JavaScript pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14142 +comment (10brion) [21:26:59] 03(mod) string "overflow:auto; height:" is recognized as spam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14141 (10brion) [21:27:16] who added sqlite support? [21:29:42] Duesentrieb, MinuteElectron: I don't get that strange error mesage either it's just the normal "you don't have read permissions". I'll add this to the talk page. [21:30:03] cool. [21:31:44] Anyone know of extensions to add a CMS-like menu feature to MW? [21:32:17] Like, being able to add certain premade pieces of content as menus... kind of like templates, but to sidebars and outside the article itself [21:32:44] cctoide: I wrote one, but I still didn't come around documenting it. [21:32:47] 03(ASSIGNED) page deletion throws database error on postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14138 +comment (10greg) [21:33:43] (in fact it's more liek a dynamic skin system which can incorporate other wikipages in it's layout. [21:34:22] we're using it to have the wiki act as a lightweight cms.) [21:34:33] Ah, that sounds just like what I was thinking of [21:34:45] a "block layout" system [21:35:28] well, you can take a look at a sample template here: https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Skin:NRWWeb [21:36:05] this then renders to http://nrw.piratenpartei.de/ [21:36:27] 03(mod) page deletion throws database error on postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14138 (10river) [21:37:19] If you think you can figure out hwo it works fron src+example, (without further docs atm) I'll put up the src on MW.org now. [21:38:22] Impressum = impress ? [21:38:54] thats the right translation alnokta [21:38:59] impressum is a german thing that's like a combined 'about us' and 'contact us' as far as i can tell [21:39:38] ێۧ [21:39:41] ah [21:40:25] jamasi: I should be able to [21:41:27] ok, I'll put it online in about 30 min. [21:43:38] sweet.. pirate parties in germany! [21:44:03] Did the behavior of Title::userCan('create') change between 1.9 and 1.12? [21:44:40] thanks, jamasi [21:46:01] 03(mod) Autocomplete should not kick in till at least 2 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14139 +comment (10candrews) [21:54:49] Kurt is read like court ? or crt [21:56:57] generally like curt [21:57:07] though in specific, who knows :) [21:57:27] depends on where this Kurt is from i guess [21:58:00] Kurt Henseleit [21:58:50] 03(FIXED) page deletion throws database error on postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14138 (10greg) [21:59:33] *alnokta don't like names transliterations [22:00:00] is it possible to use #ifexist in a table? [22:00:34] | {{#ifexist: fr.po | fr.po |- | |-}} <-- does not exist so it returns just "-" [22:01:13] ah, a german Kurt [22:01:37] yes [22:01:46] ijustam: try it [22:02:02] see the code i just put [22:03:23] im trying to have it only create a new row if it doesn't exist [22:03:42] brion: give a cookie to whoever added sqlite support [22:04:36] :D [22:04:43] that was some new kid :D [22:05:23] well he deserves it :) [22:05:36] "tad" [22:05:38] I don't know who he is. [22:07:04] i bet we will soon see wikipedia packages of lighttpd + php + a database [22:10:02] http://alnokta.arablug.org/gah <- faster than mysql (probably just because it is a blank wiki) [22:10:19] Try using it on a serious site. :) [22:10:44] Like, one that needs concurrent access. [22:10:49] Not happenin' with SQLite. [22:11:29] what will happen? [22:11:50] Apparently it's worse than MyISAM: every transaction locks the whole database. [22:12:01] But that's just from the Wikipedia article, don't take my word for it. [22:12:55] SQLite is not really intended for big websites or other standard database applications. [22:13:20] It's meant primarily for linking into a single application that has few if any concurrency requirements. [22:13:26] So it might be great for a very small site. [22:13:44] yeah the "Lite" part of its name might have suggested something ;) [22:14:31] but that is in theory, right? [22:15:01] Well, in practice it's not going to scale well. [22:15:04] Not designed for it. [22:15:19] MySQL, pgsql, etc. are designed to handle arbitrarily large databases and arbitrary concurrent access. [22:15:34] InnoDB has things like lockless selects, row-level locking for updates, etc. [22:15:57] Even MyISAM with table-level locking would die on Wikimedia. [22:16:25] http://www.sqlite.org/features.html [22:16:30] "Website Database. Because it requires no configuration and stores information in ordinary disk files, SQLite is a popular choice as the database to back small to medium-sized websites." [22:16:34] "Stand-in For An Enterprise RDBMS. SQLite is often used as a surrogate for an enterprise RDBMS for demonstration purposes or for testing. SQLite is fast and requires no setup, which takes a lot of the hassle out of testing and which makes demos perky and easy to launch." [22:16:51] You notice they don't claim to be a full replacement for MySQL or whatnot. [22:17:08] However, might be faster for a small website, definitely. [22:17:27] ah [22:23:34] cctoide: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSkinSystem [22:29:24] (don't give too much on that warning, as I removed the code which could be dangeruos at the moment. (I'm planing on a slightly different implementation, which is more secure). [22:30:24] there are still some minor quirks, but I'll work those out in the next weeks. [22:30:45] 03(NEW) Watched pages after they are moved become unwatched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14144 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [22:32:09] 03(mod) Autocomplete should not kick in till at least 2 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14139 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [22:34:18] in metawiki , when i choose ar as interface lang, numerals are translated, how can i stop that and use 123? [22:36:56] alnokta, probably you can't, without a new variant language being created. [22:37:24] Would this be an issue where most Arabic speakers would be more comfortable with one or the other (e.g., only weirdos would use non-Arabic numerals), or some groups might prefer one or the other relatively strongly? [22:37:35] If the latter, it might be appropriate to create a new language variant or something. [22:37:52] But I'm not the one to ask about this, try #mediawiki-i18n. [22:39:00] i think it should be a user setting [22:39:20] or something we can set user:alnokta/common.css or something [22:40:22] in morocco they use 1234 and some countries .. while in egypt and most arab countries the other variant [22:40:34] *they use [22:41:33] jamasi: thank you again [22:43:19] you will have to create a folder (like specified in the setting-file in your skin directory and give your www-user/apache rw- access on your skin folder as well. [22:44:51] the superuser of the wiki is automatically allowed to edit and regenerate skins, but you can also set that right using normal wiki techniques. [22:46:15] making the skin writable? that sounds a bit scary. who'd want to do something like that? [22:46:50] found it: $wgTranslateNumerals , is it possible to make that a user preference ? [22:49:42] cctoide: sorry, I forgot to hint at an dependency: you also need Extensionfunctions.php placed in /extensions [22:51:29] I think I#ll drop it some time in the future, but now you still need it. [22:53:37] brion: what do you think? make it when you choose AR interface, it adds option to disable $wgTranslateNumerals in preferences (now enabled by default)... [22:55:35] alnokta: in installer, or for user preferences? [22:56:14] brion: for user preferences when you use ar language .. [22:57:24] brion_: you got my message? [23:01:56] 03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137 (10equazcion) [23:03:03] ya [23:03:23] alnokta: see if that's in bugzilla, if it's not add it :) prolly a good thing (not just for ar, but maybe any language with digit transforms) [23:04:30] brion: ok thx [23:08:12] brion: i see your eols and boms corrections, sorry for that, my editor didn't apparently preserve the format. so UTF-8 noBOM LF only is correct, right? [23:08:49] 99% of the time, UTF-8 with no BOM and LF is correct :) [23:09:03] also try setting the eol property so it converts properly for windows systems [23:09:16] (if your auto-props config is right, this'll usually happen by default, but sometimes funny files won't get included) [23:16:17] 03(mod) Watched pages after they are moved become unwatched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14144 +comment (10pathoschild) [23:16:29] hmm, looks like there's no cs i18n for date strings. if really not, i'll switch from month name to month number [23:19:19] 03(NEW) Add a preference option to disable $wgTranslateNumerals when using a language with digit transforms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14145 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (mohamed.m.k) [23:19:45] What's the best way to dump articles without formatting? [23:20:20] rgov: you mean plaintext? [23:20:24] Yeah [23:20:28] I want to dump articles and stubs into two directories as .txt files. [23:20:52] and how would you deal with tables or infoboxes etc? [23:21:20] Yeah, I thought of that; I think it's OK to just put spaces between cells and carriage returns between rows [23:21:59] It's to be crunched through a script to create frequency info, so human readability is less important than user readability [23:22:14] ah [23:22:26] 03(mod) UTF-8 characters in don't work properly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798 +comment (10don-cles) [23:22:41] So I could dump as XML and strip, or write my own template, or whatever [23:22:44] but they all seem like a lot of work [23:22:46] so what i 'd do is to take rendered pages and run them through xslt to remove all tags [23:28:41] Has anyone had luck with MW's interwiki linking? I am trying to setup a second language (German). I have a second MW installed, and I have altered my first wiki's interwiki tables to reflect the second wiki (de prefix etc.). But the interwiki link is not showing when I try [[de:somepage]] [23:29:13] I have made the necessary changes to my Localsettings file as stated on the guide (Method 4). [23:42:22] Hmm [[:de:Hauptseite]] works fine and will redirect to my second German wiki. [23:42:27] But [[de:Hauptseite]] does not enable the side Language bar. [23:42:40] Suggestions? [23:44:50] Have you set the right variables? [23:45:08] Which particular variables? [23:45:08] have you got rid of the cache? [23:45:26] There are two mentioned at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking#Interlanguage_link [23:45:27] Yes, cache is cleared. [23:46:37] Ah there we go. [23:47:06] Yes I had both variables, I just misspelt language lol (in the variable) [23:47:19] *Jasio facepalms. [23:47:46] facepalms? [23:48:35] http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/picard-no-facepalm.jpg [23:48:39] ^ Facepalm. [23:53:47] which database table contains info on namespaces? [23:53:59] e.g. "Hochelaga_Archipelago" is namespace 14 [23:57:55] rgov, none. LocalSettings.php for custom namespaces, otherwise the appropriate file in languages/messages/.