[00:03:39] if one man is put as switch of a extreme high voltage circuit to light a giant light, would he burn to death? or will he only transmit the electricity feeling a current through his body? [00:03:54] he'd be cooked [00:04:14] he will die [00:04:28] he has too much resistance [00:05:01] i mean, he would have a + cable attached to his hands, and another one attached to his leg [00:05:14] but he won't be absorbing the energy... the lamp will [00:05:19] would he be cooked anyway? [00:05:45] it'd be the same as being struck by lightning [00:05:51] woli, humans are not perfect conductors. [00:05:53] he will absorb it [00:05:58] They're resistors. [00:06:06] oh damn [00:06:06] Although not good oes. [00:06:09] ones. [00:06:09] and a wet human? [00:06:14] Humans are always wet. [00:06:29] you get it don't you? a human with water all covering him [00:06:32] Anything other than a perfect conductor will dissipate some of the electricity that passes through it as heat. [00:06:39] Simetrical: my wife never is... [00:06:44] lol [00:06:48] rofl!!!!!! [00:07:01] you filthy dude... [00:07:11] time to go home.. bye.. [00:07:14] But more to the point, human physiology is partly controlled by electrical impulses. If a few tens of millivolts (IIRC) pass through your heart, you die. [00:07:17] Your heart stops. [00:07:29] if you don't believe us, you have to try it yourself :P [00:07:45] like how much electricity should pass through the circuit for the human not to die? [00:07:49] Additionally, some of the electricity will be dissipated as heat. For enough electricity, this will cause substantial burns. [00:08:00] neither to burn [00:08:23] woli, I don't know exact figures. [00:08:28] A small enough amount is safe. [00:08:41] Enough to light a light bulb, probably not. [00:08:46] and how about this: [00:09:04] if a human is stroke by a lightning, would he explode? or would he be cooked? [00:09:12] Simetrical, voltage isn't what kill you, current is [00:09:12] Humans struck by lightning will not explode. [00:09:25] lol [00:09:32] would they be cooked then? [00:09:34] KTC, one is a function of the other, assuming fixed resistance. [00:09:46] People struck by lightning are burned, but not "cooked". [00:09:50] Humans struck by lightning will not explode. < - Shake n' Bake. [00:10:06] They can also be seriously disoriented, maybe go into cardiac arrest, etc. Screws with the nervous system. [00:10:13] Simetrical: but voltage doesn't pass through things [00:10:13] *Simetrical double-checks what channel this is [00:10:22] How do I make myself and steward or a user with power in wiki? [00:10:25] TimStarling, yes, yes, replace "through" with "across" or whatever. [00:10:30] only current can pass through the heart, voltage appears across the heart as current passes through it [00:10:47] how much burned? like being a black charcoal, or like havnig 10th degree burns (i know they don't exist, but I mean to use it like much more than a 3rd degree burn) [00:10:49] Anyone help with wiki? [00:11:07] trigun0x2, ask an existing bureaucrat or edit the database. Stewards don't exist in the default software. [00:11:22] woli, Google will probably get you pictures. [00:11:30] lol [00:11:30] woli: depending on the charge of the lighting [00:11:37] They'll only be burned where the lightning passes through, not across their whole body. [00:11:43] I am the owner [00:11:58] How do I edit? [00:12:31] trigun0x2, INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES (1234, 'bureaucrat'); where 1234 is your user ID. [00:12:40] Then use Special:UserRights for further changes. [00:12:56] how curious... the burns look like lightnings theirselfves... [00:13:07] the look like networks [00:13:15] woli, shortest paths to reach ground [00:13:23] http://205.243.100.155/frames/human_LF2.jpg [00:13:53] http://jacketmagazine.com/26/px/lern-licht-burn.jpg [00:14:02] lol, not exactly [00:14:03] thanks [00:14:38] I think if a person was struck by lightning directly, current would pass through every part of their body [00:14:39] mibbit shows pictures inline [00:14:58] TimStarling, not enough to cause serious burns across the whole body, AFAIK. [00:15:01] I think it would be really nasty, don't try it at home folks [00:15:04] the network paths are called lichtenberg figures [00:15:15] like trees [00:16:16] awww... [00:16:47] I was preparing my own human circuit :-( [00:17:03] It would be hard to do at home, unless your home is often struck by lightning. [00:17:15] You'd have to wait for a storm, like Frankenstein in the movies. [00:17:32] lol [00:17:35] like back to the future 1 [00:17:40] yes [00:18:37] does the tesla (purple) electrical rays electrify humanS? [00:18:46] and why are they purple [00:18:47] ? [00:19:27] I am a buracat ans syspo [00:19:32] still i cannot access Special:UserRights [00:19:55] woli: the rays you're talking about are very high frequency AC [00:20:06] AC being: .... [00:20:15] .. [00:20:18] alternating current, switching from positive to negative [00:20:36] like what powers your home, except hundreds of times faster switching [00:20:37] Man you guys are good at physics [00:20:59] it turns out that when the AC gets fast enough, it doesn't stop the heart anymore [00:21:11] so its harmless [00:21:12] so it doesn't really electrify you, but it can still cause burns if there's enough of it [00:21:19] i cannot access Special:UserRights [00:21:29] but usually there isn't, because usually when you see it, you're looking at a toy [00:21:31] trigun0x2, r u sure the account have sysop right? [00:21:50] the plasma balls have it? [00:22:04] "index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop" <- r u listed ? [00:22:10] it's only purple when it's actually inside the glass ball [00:22:13] but still i won't touch it , no matter how fast :P [00:22:21] and that's because there's some stuff inside the glass that makes it purple [00:22:25] a gas [00:22:41] like some kind of neon [00:22:42] ? [00:22:49] yes [00:23:44] how does photoreading work? [00:24:08] are these homework questions? ;) [00:24:11] no [00:24:21] wisdoming proces [00:24:22] s [00:24:32] personal interest [00:24:32] TimStarling, your degree does have some use then? ;) [00:24:44] looks like it [00:25:11] but I don't think photoreading is quite up my street, assuming it's the speed reading technique he's talking about [00:25:53] but from what I've heard, it works through a mixture of bullshit and practise [00:26:01] heh [00:26:10] it is not real (speed reading ) [00:27:20] some of the claim of potential improvement isn't, but you can't deny there exist some people who have shown to speed read very well [00:27:24] @ktc yea [00:27:24] how much faster can a person with photoreading read, comparing to an average speed? [00:27:32] in the database it says i do [00:28:31] I need someone to install some mods for me and optimize my site a little [00:30:31] isn't mods the word for games ?:) [00:31:16] modifications of games [00:31:50] for example... you take a normal game, you change its 3d models, maps, textures and sounds, and maybe you hack it to your liking, and there you have your mod [00:32:02] what you mean are games [00:32:04] or minigames [00:32:17] flash-based (to get myself a little arrogant) [00:33:07] :) [00:34:17] whats the quit: [00:34:17] ? [00:36:01] that means they are gone to sleep/work/whatever [00:36:23] .... [00:36:34] how about that "sleep" message? [00:37:21] network troubles [00:37:37] lol no i mean... [00:37:50] is it like some sort of quit message that each applicaton has? [00:38:40] yes [00:39:08] like /quit I'm going now [00:40:47] ih [00:40:50] oh* [00:41:33] Can anyone help out with the technical stuff for my wiki? [00:42:09] if I pass a cable (in a circuit) through 2 batteries (same pole side), would it be like having just a big battery attached? [00:42:25] trigun0x2: whats the problem? [00:47:39] also, if i use 2 batteries in the same light circuit, will it give the light more power? or will it make it last longer? [00:48:51] woli last longer [00:48:56] uh ok [00:48:57] thanks [00:50:35] hm [00:51:34] woli: you mean connecting them in series, like this? ------ |+ -| --- |+ -| ----- [00:51:44] no... [00:51:46] ok [00:51:48] like [00:51:50] in parallel then [00:51:57] (yeah, try to picture that :p) [00:52:39] |======|} [00:52:39] |======|} [00:52:42] :-) [00:52:43] yes [00:53:30] woli: but I guess you asked two different questions, didn't you? [00:53:31] || [+|||||||||||-] || [00:53:31] || [+|||||||||||-] || [00:53:31] where [+|||||||||||-} = battery, and || is a cable [00:53:44] woli: got it [00:53:52] like one cable per side [00:54:02] i have a circuit, but i don't know why it doesn't work! [00:54:30] i tested the cables, and both burn me when i hold them towards the battery, but when I stick them with electrical tape, they don't light the LED [00:54:31] !! [00:54:31] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "!". You might try: !blankpage !cms !cooluris !credit !css !dataja !exclamation !export !footer !help !iframe !import !install !mwbot !parserfunctions !shorturl !test !welcome !wg !wikibugs [00:54:41] :p [00:55:02] woli: tried reversing the polarity? [00:55:16] what do you mean? [00:55:22] woli: debugging electrical circuits is kind of like debugging software... [00:55:27] oh [00:55:32] does that work> [00:55:32] ? [00:55:36] reverse the led [00:55:42] you know how to debug software? [00:55:45] a diode only lets through current in one direction [00:55:49] *Splarka wonders if he got on the wrong train, doesn't recognize the... conductor [00:55:56] a LED is a light emitting diod [00:55:58] +e [00:56:01] it did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:56:06] lol!!!! [00:56:09] woli, if you connect two batteries serially, they'll last longer. If you connect them in parallel, it will double the voltage. [00:56:10] I think. [00:56:11] Anyone interesting in being a tech supporter for my site? [00:56:22] i thought it was the same thing!!! You've increased my knowledge! [00:56:31] trigun0x2, doubtful, but you can ask your questions. What message do you get when you visit Special:UserRights? [00:56:32] Simetrical: you reversed it [00:56:43] and would doubling the voltage burn my led? [00:56:46] Oliphaunt, rats, you're right. [00:56:46] errro [00:56:47] error [00:56:52] no permission [00:56:56] http://trigun0x2.rack111.com/index.php/Special:Userrights [00:57:02] Wait.. I think i know why [00:57:02] check your assumptions, read the manual, test the components individually [00:57:02] trigun0x2, do you have a link to your wiki? [00:57:03] or make it supper luminiscent? [00:57:07] I often find thinking of water circuits, with batteries as pumps, is helpful [00:57:15] Ah, here. [00:57:19] trigun0x2, what user are you logged in as? [00:57:23] i dont know what you are talking about [00:57:27] the sysop [00:57:34] trigun0x2, there are no bureaucrats on your wiki. [00:57:40] trigun0x2, you need to add one in the database, as I told you before. [00:57:40] yea [00:57:48] hold on [00:58:08] I'd like to see a set of amperage/voltage human lethality charts (showing zones of LD50+, as well as other affects), for different voltages and bodyparts, but I don't think any exist (or not very completely) [00:58:15] trigun0x2, you could also temporarily set this in LocalSettings.php: $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['userrights'] = true; Then promote yourself to bureaucrat and delete the line again. [00:58:41] alright [00:59:05] as well as outer appendage vs heart, ac vs dc, various hz, duration [00:59:22] Splarka, so get a bunch of test subjects, . . . [00:59:27] Splarka: have you tried searching the journals? [01:00:04] not really [01:00:13] 03(mod) Flagged page cannot be moved by non-sighters (tab is missing) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13994 (10JSchulz_4587) [01:00:24] TimStarling, isn't this interesting, given recent events? http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-mediawiki/mediawiki/trunk/debian/patches/fix_postgre.patch?rev=57&view=auto [01:00:25] just popped into my mind that it would probably be a really interesting visual representation [01:00:30] Look at that, a patch that wasn't submitted upstream! [01:00:38] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469841 [01:01:06] I wonder if it exposes an SQL injection vulnerability [01:01:15] TimStarling, doubtful, it just wraps the standard select(). [01:01:16] hey in the user rights place [01:01:24] Would be funny, though. [01:01:28] *Splarka notes Simetrical down as a "volunteer" [01:01:30] i can only promote people to become a sysops [01:01:51] trigun0x2, could you post 1) a screenshot and 2) LocalSettings.php with DB login removed? [01:02:06] I can access user rights now [01:02:09] thanks =) [01:02:44] is there a page where i can see all the special pages? [01:03:00] TimStarling, I showed it to Greg, he said he'd look at it. I don't know if it actually does anything remotely useful, the patch submitter didn't say what it did and the maintainer checked it in without comment. [01:03:05] trigun0x2, Special:SpecialPages [01:03:17] also, is there an extension that allows people to "approve" of the pages before publishing? [01:03:34] trigun0x2, look at FlaggedRevs, it's being deployed on Wikipedia right now. [01:04:11] Yea i saw that When i tried to install it, it messed up [01:04:24] I have no idea how to run the update.php and the other thing [01:05:01] Run maintenance/archives/populateSha1.php. [01:05:03] howw [01:05:10] i can't even find that [01:05:27] trigun0x2, do you have shell access? [01:06:24] nope [01:06:33] free hosting sucks [01:07:11] !upgrading [01:07:11] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [01:07:20] That will tell you how to upgrade without shell access. [01:09:03] huh? [01:09:12] thanks [01:09:16] how about the second part? [01:09:19] !wiimore [01:09:19] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "wiimore". [01:09:23] nice! [01:09:30] !wiimote [01:09:30] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "wiimote". [01:09:33] so? [01:09:38] !wiki [01:09:38] --mwbot-- A wiki is a collaborative website which can be directly edited by anyone with access to it. Ward Cunningham, developer of the first wiki WikiWikiWeb, originally described it as "the simplest online database that could possibly work". Wikipedia is one of the best known wikis. [01:09:45] !mwbot [01:09:45] --mwbot-- Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [01:09:50] lol! [01:10:01] !welcome [01:10:01] --mwbot-- Welcome to #mediawiki, the channel for MediaWiki development and support! Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask your questions. Do, however, consult the FAQ, located at , first. [01:10:06] !quit [01:10:06] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "quit". [01:10:12] !nothing [01:10:12] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "nothing". [01:10:17] !sex [01:10:17] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "sex". [01:10:20] lol [01:10:25] hes a virgin [01:10:31] woli, stop that [01:10:34] sorry! [01:10:43] i was amazed by this little robot [01:10:46] its very funny [01:11:06] you can play with it in #mwbot [01:11:13] lol [01:11:22] i already played with him a while... [01:13:21] !upgrade [01:13:21] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [01:59:21] hi. I just saw this: "MediaWiki can share the database of another web-based application, e.g. phpBB" [01:59:28] know how i can do that ? [01:59:36] i saw some patches and such... [01:59:51] but none involved sharing the same db [02:07:19] what they mean is [02:07:26] you can use the same database instance [02:07:35] ie, mysql has two databases.. mediawiki and phpbb [02:07:49] at least, that is most likely what they mean.. [02:08:13] uh? [02:08:19] that's no db sharing [02:08:48] what does "db sharing" mean? [02:08:56] what do you conceive of it as meaning? [02:09:17] well that means that mediawiki's database is the same as phpbb's for example [02:09:23] but.. that's nonsense. [02:09:33] they're two totally different applications [02:09:38] how could they have the same database? [02:09:43] if they both use mysql, they use the same KIND of database, but not the same database. [02:09:48] do you mean that they share, for example, usernames? [02:10:00] voraistos : they are using the same db _instance_ [02:10:22] ie, /var/lib/mysql has mediawiki/ and phpBB/ dirs, for the mediawiki and phpBB databases [02:10:34] fyes [02:10:38] :P [02:10:43] but there is one db instance, so they share the database manager [02:10:51] I believe that to be what the quote you just pasted means [02:10:58] yeah, but that's 2 databases, and no sharing [02:11:10] what aspects of their database do you expect them to share? [02:11:15] users, for example? [02:11:23] using 2 databases instances would be the secure way of doing things actually [02:11:27] but yes [02:11:39] "sharing" would be at least the login [02:11:48] ok, so that's where you're misunderstanding it. [02:11:54] however i would expect more sharing than this [02:12:05] how could they share a userbase, when.. for example.. the permissions structure is different [02:12:12] and the length of usernames and passwords are different [02:12:15] and etc etc etc [02:12:21] you seem to be following this : [02:12:22] http://ajithvs.blogspot.com/2007/02/installing-mediawiki-website-for.html [02:12:33] I think you are over-loading the word "sharing" to mean something it doesn't mean. [02:12:42] well, if they shared the db, the username lenght etc would not be different, that's the actual point. [02:12:51] but they are two different piece of software [02:12:56] and the software is what enforces those rules [02:13:05] so unless they got together and agreed on what they were going to do [02:13:09] and both decided to do exactly the same thing [02:13:12] they could share the same database, but they would use their own tables [02:13:15] I don't get how what you're suggesting would even work. [02:13:33] but then there'd be a whole bunch of tables in the database that neither application would use?? and the namespaces could collide??!?! [02:13:35] sharing a database at that level, though, would likely lead to collisions -- not a good idea [02:13:44] can you name any example of software which does such an insane thing? [02:13:47] derwin, exactly :) [02:13:54] p_quarles: ok :) [02:14:06] wikia has a semi working phpbb semi-integrated into mediawiki [02:14:24] basically, you could configure just about any mysql application to share a database with another application -- but you shouldn't [02:14:34] Splarka: lol. semi-semi. [02:14:38] logging in to the wiki logs in to phpbb (the phpbb user interface was scooped out and hooked into the wiki user db) [02:14:57] in other words, phpBB was integrated into wikia [02:15:03] i can think of any cms out there derwin. like tikiwiki for example, except i admit they were designed for it. [02:15:10] well, into the mediawiki wikia has running, yah [02:15:21] Splarka, that would require hacking the code for either mw or phpbb -- right? [02:15:21] it was even given some wikicode parsing, heh [02:15:27] oh hell yah [02:15:28] probably both [02:15:46] it's more than just setting up mysql in some way [02:16:04] well, you sure aren't going to have phpbb posts saved as wikipages without some hacking ^_^ [02:16:17] yeah, I think we're all clear, voraistos is over-loading the word "sharing" in his quote :) [02:16:37] "white man brings beads and blankets, wants to share land" [02:16:52] lol [02:18:04] hehe [02:19:01] it seems it is possible to get phpbb and mw to sleep in the same db (different table names), but they dont exactly "mix". [02:19:24] voraistos: yes, I'm sure it's "possible" but I'm also pretty sure no-one recommends doing so, because of the namespace issue. [02:19:38] actually, I'm not sure it's possible, because there could be namespace collisions [02:19:40] well, that's not what i want anyway... [02:19:42] but you get my point :) [02:20:18] voraistos, there are various levels in MySQL: there is the server (you have one of those), the database (each application has its own), and then tables (each application has multiple tables) [02:20:43] i dont get quad core servers with a few gigs of ram to get 2 softs in one db. I am not *that* obsessed, and am not a member of "computersoftwareporn.com". [02:21:04] LOL [02:21:33] i just wished 2 great pieces of software like phpbb and mw would communicate better with each other. [02:22:21] awww :) [02:22:54] hey btw, who came up with mediawiki/wikimedia ? Somebody shoot this guy :P [02:23:14] hi. what is the session variable for a users id number in the user database? [02:23:18] I just cant help it: i always check twice to make sure I actually talk about the software (mw) [02:24:36] you know, the php session variable [02:24:43] D: [02:25:51] anyone know? [02:26:35] erm, hold on [02:27:05] wikiwiki ~= quick, wiki = quick editing... wiki + encyclopedia => wikipedia, "but it should be free, lets form a non profit org, what should we call it? wikiMedia, cool"... "so what do we call the software..." "um... mediaWiki! hah" [02:30:05] demon $wgUser->getID() [02:30:14] "Definition at line 1240 of file User.php." [02:32:02] Splarka: I suspected so... But I kernel panic from time to time because of this. And my brain can't upgrade for linux. Recompiling the toolchain would be a pain too lol [02:37:49] voraistos: just keep applying the firmware patch, at some point you'll find it doesn't get reset on reboot [02:38:15] "oh, hey, I remember!" [02:40:11] what firmware patch? My parents are an evil corporation, they dont provide upgrades, even if i give them money. they tell me i have to change everything. [02:41:42] *Simetrical spent the last hour and a half writing up a contribution to the CSS3 Lists module [02:42:04] *Simetrical waits for the dang mailing list to subscribe him [02:43:10] *voraistos crashes: fatal error [02:43:56] *Simetrical goes to bed [02:44:10] wee [02:44:44] KTC: I will actually be running this in a separate window (a game upload window) so i am including user.php [02:45:02] will the $wgUser part still work? [02:45:53] *shrug* ask someone that actually know what they're talking about like *point at Aaron* [02:46:05] AaronSchulz: dunno i you know. it seems that bot edits are no longer autosighted [02:46:24] are all the bots updated yet? [02:46:27] prolly not [02:47:14] *AaronSchulz glances at http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Letzte_%C3%84nderungen&hideanons=1&hidebots=&hideliu=1 [02:48:58] Raymond_afk: I don't think the bots are submitting baseRevId [02:49:06] perhaps there is some workaround [02:49:08] for now [02:50:11] hmmm [02:50:47] I seems to me that there is a change since last scap [02:55:01] still, most autoreviewing should work even if it's now submitted [02:55:41] ah, I see [02:56:39] comare http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badge-Engineering&action=history (autosighted before last scap) and http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flughafen_Basel_Mulhouse_Freiburg&action=history (not autosighted after last scap). some bot [02:57:00] *same [03:00:13] Raymond_afk: should be better next scap [03:00:20] *AaronSchulz kicks CIA-50 [03:00:21] ow [03:00:34] So how do the api queries work? How would I do a post query to make a new page, based on info I have in a form. (I already have the form set, I just am confused by the post query) [03:00:38] heh, that's the only time it speak atm [03:01:20] yay for unusual questions ;) [03:01:39] AaronSchulz: thanks :) but I do still not understand the difference in above diffs... one autosighted, the other not: same bot [03:02:23] Again, this is from a page not directly attatched to the wiki, a separate window... [03:04:23] or is there an easier way to take a form, make changes to a table in the database that I will have defined, and make a page for each entry into the database? [03:05:12] I am making a flash portal, and I have looked through the forms and none of them seemed appropreate [03:06:05] or am I just asking stupid questions that i should be able to find out easily on my own? [03:16:58] AaronSchulz: same effect with bot "SamatBot": http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lichtgeschwindigkeit&action=history autosighted before last scap, http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Galaxienhaufen&action=history not autosighted after last scap [03:17:11] already fixed on SVN [03:17:57] which revision? [03:18:42] 34905 [03:18:53] ah ok [03:19:20] *Raymond_afk should go to bed again... 5am here. woke up at 4am with a bad dream :( [03:19:37] AaronSchulz: thanks for your work :)))) [03:39:22] Hi [05:17:05] hello? [05:17:45] hi mattjacoby [05:17:51] hi [05:18:46] I'm having an issue with my media wiki after we moved it to a new server [05:20:18] what's the issue? [05:20:43] sorry I was looking for my mediawiki version number if that helps you. [05:21:03] but we moved it and the our short URLs stopped working, even though they still claim to be working in the localsettings.php file [05:21:45] Did you change the root files? [05:21:58] we're back to /wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page even though we want /wiki/index.php/Main_Page. a handful of links have broken due to this [05:22:25]