[03:04:07] <amidaniel>	Isn't the answer to that rather obvious?
[03:06:25] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35034 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/RenameUserJob.php: Remove bogus $keyId references
[03:13:26] <Soxred93>	Hey, what do people think about adding an {{#explode:}} function to ParserFunctions?
[03:19:10] <Splarka>	you mean like stringfunctions has? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions#.23explode:
[03:19:38] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455
[03:23:15] <orudie>	i'm trying to find a link to install ParserFunctions 
[03:23:26] <orudie>	isaw it before but not anymore 
[03:24:12] <Soxred93>	Argh, I didn't even know about that extension.
[03:24:20] <Soxred93>	Why isn't it installed on Wikipedia?
[03:24:46] <MZMcBride>	It's bad for the soul.
[03:24:58] <orudie>	it is 
[03:25:00] <orudie>	installed 
[03:25:19] <MZMcBride>	orudie: Hm?
[03:25:23] <Splarka>	mediawiki wikicode shouldn't be a programming language
[03:25:25] <Soxred93>	It is?
[03:25:33] <MZMcBride>	Mixed conversations.
[03:25:35] <Splarka>	orudie: they're talking about StringFunctions
[03:25:40] <orudie>	oh
[03:25:45] <orudie>	can someone help me ?
[03:25:48] <MZMcBride>	!parserfunctions | orudie 
[03:25:48] --mwbot--	orudie: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[03:25:57] <MZMcBride>	Second link, orudie.
[03:26:12] <MZMcBride>	Soxred93: Check Bugzilla.
[03:26:20] *AaronSchulz 	wonders if White_Cat_Zzz is around >:D
[03:26:30] <Soxred93>	Link?
[03:26:34] <MZMcBride>	Those functions, ideally, would be merged into ParserFunctions (or core!).
[03:26:36] <MZMcBride>	bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[03:27:22] <Soxred93>	I mean to the individual bug
[03:27:30] <Splarka>	or a real scripting language should be created and integrated into mediawiki, and not hacks based off of transclusion syntax
[03:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ability to disable messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14176  +comment (10danny_b)
[03:43:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AutoAuthenticate hook does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14177 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: API; (candrews)
[04:02:00] <orudie>	how can i backup my wikidb ?
[04:03:05] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) AutoAuthenticate hook does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14177  +comment (10candrews)
[04:03:25] <josch>	FUCK!!!
[04:03:27] <josch>	79900
[04:03:27] <josch>	80000
[04:03:27] <josch>	80100
[04:03:27] <josch>	80200
[04:03:27] <josch>	80300
[04:03:28] <josch>	Segmentation fault
[04:03:32] <josch>	what to do??
[04:03:42] <MZMcBride>	!backup | orudie 
[04:03:42] --mwbot--	orudie: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[04:03:50] <Soxred93>	!backup |orudie
[04:03:50] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[04:03:58] <Soxred93>	Argh, beat me to it
[04:11:39] <orudie>	A sample command that you may run from a crontab may look like this:
[04:11:59] <orudie>	i dont understand what they mean by "from a crontab"
[04:12:32] <amidaniel>	!cron | orudie 
[04:12:32] --mwbot--	orudie: I don't know anything about "cron".
[04:12:36] <amidaniel>	Bah
[04:12:41] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cron
[04:12:45] <amidaniel>	ty MZMcBride :)
[04:12:48] <MZMcBride>	:)
[04:13:33] <orudie>	i saw that before
[04:13:42] <orudie>	i dont get it 
[04:13:46] <orudie>	is this just a shell
[04:13:50] <Soxred93>	Hey, can you add new help things to mwbot yourself?
[04:13:53] <orudie>	or something that i have to install 
[04:14:16] <Soxred93>	I think it comes preinstalled on Mac and Linux
[04:14:18] <amidaniel>	Depends upon whether you have it installed already or not ... try "which cron"
[04:14:39] <MZMcBride>	Soxred93: Sure, just do it in #mwbot.
[04:14:55] <Soxred93>	...
[04:15:15] <MZMcBride>	Wot?
[04:15:25] <orudie>	yeah its installed
[04:15:35] <Soxred93>	That channel doesn't exist, really
[04:15:42] <orudie>	/usr/sbin/cron
[04:15:45] <MZMcBride>	Eww. Bad client. #mwbot
[04:15:48] <amidaniel>	Soxred93: #mwbot
[04:15:59] <amidaniel>	And use /join instead of clicking the link :)
[04:16:04] <Soxred93>	Ah
[04:16:05] <amidaniel>	mIRC, etc., are fucking clueless
[04:17:07] <orudie>	from a crontab
[04:17:07] <amidaniel>	orudie: So cron's a program you can use to schedule tasks to be run at certain intervals
[04:17:20] <amidaniel>	orudie: Try man crontab
[04:17:32] <Soxred93>	I'm not using mIRC
[04:17:54] <amidaniel>	Fine, x-chat .. not much of an improvement :)
[04:18:08] <Soxred93>	It's a lot better
[04:18:13] <Soxred93>	and I can use chanserv.py
[04:18:41] *amidaniel 	plugs irssi
[04:39:57] <josch>	is someone able to help me with the segfault of refreshLinks.php?
[04:40:04] <josch>	should i do something like strace or so?
[04:45:52] <orudie>	i get error
[04:45:54] <orudie>	ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 32: Duplicate entry '158120196' for key 1
[04:46:01] <orudie>	when using mwdumper
[04:46:04] <cjb>	oh, I saw that
[04:46:14] <cjb>	it went away when I passed --default-character-set=utf8
[04:46:20] <cjb>	or it appeared *when* I passed that
[04:46:22] <cjb>	one of the two.
[04:46:37] <cjb>	(to mysql, not to mwdumper)
[04:47:13] <orudie>	huh ?
[04:47:33] <orudie>	it worked before 
[04:48:18] <orudie>	cjb, ......
[04:48:21] <orudie>	cjb, please help me 
[04:48:26] <orudie>	cjb, what should i do ?
[04:49:20] <josch>	orudie, did you clean your tables before import?
[04:49:48] <orudie>	josch, its a new install
[04:50:02] <orudie>	josch, i just installed mediawiki 
[04:50:40] <orudie>	josch, i didnt know i could export categories from wikipedia, and i was importing the full enwiki articles pages dump 
[04:50:41] <josch>	you have to remove all existing entries from page, revision and text
[04:50:54] <orudie>	josch, so i removed everything and resinstalled mediawiki 
[04:51:04] <josch>	orudie, to do such a thing without knowing much is rather...
[04:51:14] <cjb>	perhaps the databse remained, though
[04:51:24] <cjb>	when you uninstall mediawiki, it doesn't uninstall your database
[04:51:37] <orudie>	cjb, i dropped the database 
[04:51:52] <orudie>	and deleted wiki directory  
[04:51:55] <orudie>	and started over 
[04:52:02] <josch>	you have to do: delete from [table|revision|text] before you import
[04:52:21] <josch>	or you have to force mysql to overwrite it with the -f switch
[04:52:32] <josch>	you know that an enwiki import can take weeks?
[04:52:45] <orudie>	josch, yeah i stopped it
[04:53:03] <orudie>	josch, i stopped it when my wikidb got to 25 gb 
[04:53:21] <KTC>	heh :D
[04:53:22] <orudie>	josch, how can i delete from [table|revision|text]
[04:53:23] <josch>	you tried to rebuld the searchindex then
[04:53:28] <josch>	-.-
[04:53:30] <josch>	as i said
[04:53:40] <josch>	you shouldnt do big things without knowing anything
[04:53:48] <josch>	do mysql -u root ikidb
[04:53:52] <josch>	wikidb
[04:54:04] <josch>	or the name you gave your wikipedia database
[04:54:10] <josch>	then issue:
[04:54:15] <josch>	delete from page
[04:54:21] <josch>	delete from revsion;
[04:54:24] <josch>	delete from text;
[04:54:28] <josch>	dont forget the;
[04:55:25] <orudie>	i did
[04:55:30] <orudie>	mysql -u root wikidb
[04:55:35] <orudie>	ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[04:55:38] <josch>	hehe
[04:55:53] <josch>	use the user that is the root in your database
[04:56:00] <josch>	what distro are you using?
[04:56:17] <orudie>	hardy 64 server
[04:56:39] <josch>	then you chose your root password on install
[04:56:47] <josch>	try: mysql -u root -p wikidb
[04:56:53] <josch>	you probably chose a password
[04:57:29] <orudie>	ok that took me to mysql>
[04:57:48] <josch>	issue the three commands there
[04:57:56] <orudie>	is it
[04:57:58] <josch>	it should affect one row
[04:58:18] <orudie>	delete from page; or ... pages; 
[04:59:22] <josch>	the table is called page
[04:59:29] <josch>	as i wrote it above
[05:00:11] <orudie>	ok i ran 3 commands 
[05:00:41] <orudie>	ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 32: Duplicate entry '158120196' for key 1
[05:01:31] <orudie>	hey
[05:01:41] <orudie>	it deleted everything 
[05:01:53] <orudie>	even the help page 
[05:02:07] <orudie>	why did you tell me to delete that ?
[05:02:21] <josch>	huh?
[05:02:33] <orudie>	now my wiki page 
[05:02:34] <josch>	there is only one entry in each of the tables
[05:02:45] <josch>	and the entry is the start page
[05:02:55] <orudie>	ok 
[05:03:01] <orudie>	but it didnt help 
[05:03:02] <josch>	you have to delete that because it get replaced by your dump
[05:03:21] <josch>	reporting back in an hour
[05:03:24] <josch>	bye
[05:04:40] <orudie>	does anyone have an idea why i am getting this error 
[05:04:57] <orudie>	ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 32: Duplicate entry '158120196' for key 1
[05:05:02] <orudie>	when trying to import 
[05:06:19] <orudie>	java -jar mwdumper-2008-04-13.jar --format=sql:1.5 filename.xml | mysql -u orudie -p wikidb
[05:06:26] <orudie>	when running this command 
[05:06:34] <orudie>	(with appropriate filename)
[05:10:00] <orudie>	anyone please...
[05:10:06] <Fire>	orudie: You usualy get this error when there are already entries in the db.
[05:10:28] <Fire>	db table*
[05:10:43] <orudie>	Fire, i dropped the database, its empty 
[05:11:07] <orudie>	Fire, though i was importing the whole enwiki  before, then i dropped it 
[05:13:34] <Fire>	orudie: Is your db *empty* now?
[05:14:11] <orudie>	Fire, yeah
[05:14:38] <orudie>	Fire, http://www.selsovet.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[05:15:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (candrews)
[05:17:46] <orudie>	Fire, anything ?
[05:18:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:19:56] <Fire>	orudie: gimme a mom
[05:25:14] <Fire>	orudie: In a normal case, and after a dump didn't get completely loaded, dropping the db should help out. As you shouldn't have any entries, you shouldn't get this error..
[05:29:12] <orudie>	hmm
[05:29:24] <orudie>	i really dont understand what i'm doing wrong 
[05:30:53] <orudie>	i dropped my previous wikidb 
[05:30:56] <orudie>	and
[05:31:07] <orudie>	started from scratch
[05:31:53] <Werdna>	hi
[05:38:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10candrews)
[05:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:42:53] <orudie>	Fire, are you still there ?
[05:43:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:43:23] <Fire>	yes
[05:43:40] <orudie>	Fire, i just tried importing the enwiki dump
[05:43:43] <orudie>	and it worked
[05:43:51] <orudie>	it started doing it and i aborted 
[05:44:58] <orudie>	Fire, and the one that didn't work i got from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[05:46:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10candrews)
[05:50:29] <Fire>	orudie: Why did you abort? Because you only need a partial dump? 
[05:50:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:51:14] <Fire>	orudie: The export function shouldn't be buggy, so I guess you still have entries in the db tables you try to import.
[05:51:43] <Fire>	orudie: Maybe wait for josch, as he might help you when he'll be back, have to go..
[05:57:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10candrews)
[06:05:30] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35035 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (17 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-05-19 08:00 CEST)
[06:07:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:08:33] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35036 10/trunk/extensions/ (46 files in 45 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-19 08:00 CEST)
[06:09:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178  (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:33:25] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35037 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.pg.sql: Fix bogus index name for PG
[06:35:23] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35038 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/postgres/patch-fr_img_name.sql: Fix index name
[06:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137  (10raimond.spekking)
[06:41:11] <p858snake>	i was wondering if theres anywhere i can get a copy of the default user rights section in the config file?
[06:41:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137  (10N/A)
[06:42:37] <MZMcBride>	p858snake: DefaultSettings.php
[06:46:15] <josch|nsn>	orudie: ping
[06:47:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: Minimal skin for use by PDAs, bots and dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3651  +comment (10nicdumz)
[06:52:49] *p858snake 	is away: User Has Marked Away Status.
[07:03:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable autopromotion for flagged revisions on de. wp again - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14153  (10pbirken)
[07:07:52] *p858snake 	is back (gone 00:15:03)
[07:29:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia OpenID provider - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13631  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[08:04:11] <_wooz>	lo
[08:33:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow apostophes in external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14179 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (djevrek)
[08:44:38] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35039 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix
[08:52:56] <ndonegan>	Any recommended way to upgrade a 1.4.5 mediawiki install to something a bit more recent? I presume I'll have to upgrade through the various versions to keep the database OK?
[08:54:19] <Duesentrieb>	ndonegan: a direct upgrade is supported in theory. the step from 1.4 to 1.5 is the only bit that is potentially troublesome, becvause of a major change in database structure
[08:54:44] <Duesentrieb>	also, the charcter set for storage was changed from latin1 to utf-8, which the upgrade script doesn't handle automaticall
[08:54:47] <Duesentrieb>	y
[08:54:51] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: so would I be better off upgrading to 1.5 and then working from there?
[08:55:09] <Duesentrieb>	i reommend to make an xml dump in addition to the usual database and file backup. use mwdumper, it supports the 1.4 schema
[08:55:26] <Duesentrieb>	yes, upgrade to 1.5 and then streight to 1.12, i'd say.
[08:56:33] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: Thanks. I've got two backups of both the DB and DocumentRoot any way, so things go horribly wrong, I can fall back :)
[08:56:55] <Duesentrieb>	as i said: do an xml dump in addition to that.
[08:57:11] <ndonegan>	Already looking at doing that
[08:57:16] <Duesentrieb>	also, be very carfull about charset fuckups in sql dumps. mysqldump is stupid about that under some conditions. 
[08:58:49] <Duesentrieb>	ndonegan: there's some info about upgrading to 1.5 here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_MediaWiki -- that page is a mess though :( newever documentation is better.
[08:58:57] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: That I found out the hard way (Ancient Joomla + Jap Characters coming from an Apache 1.3/Mysql 3 to uptodate system = pain )
[08:59:13] <Duesentrieb>	ndonegan: in any case: when upgrading from 1.4 to 1.5, you have to run the dump through iconv at some point to convert from latin1 to utf-8
[08:59:47] <Duesentrieb>	hm... jap characters... maybe you are using utf-8 with 1.4 already? it was an option. that would make thing a bit easier.
[09:00:08] <Duesentrieb>	i think for japanese, you had to do that anyway. i don't think mw ever supported anythign but latin1 or utf8
[09:19:38] <Shiroi_Neko>	hi
[09:19:49] <Shiroi_Neko>	what mediawiki page is used to blacklist usernames
[09:19:58] <Shiroi_Neko>	Like offensive registrations
[09:20:26] <avar>	the user ban list
[09:21:38] <Raymond_afk>	Shiroi_Neko: MediaWiki:Usernameblacklist
[09:27:21] <Shiroi_Neko>	thanks
[09:37:59] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: runnung upgrade1.5.php followed by update.php seems to havce worked perfectly
[09:39:08] <Duesentrieb>	hm... why do people insist on using upgrade1.5.php? it's not really intended for general use :(
[09:39:14] <Duesentrieb>	the name is seductive, i guess.
[09:39:59] <Duesentrieb>	upgrade1.5.php causes the database to be in a partially converted state, with on-the-fly conversions taking place. it was intended to avoid long downtimes for wikipedia, mainly.
[09:40:35] <Duesentrieb>	but if it worked for you, fine, i guess :)
[09:41:12] <Duesentrieb>	just don't assume that your database content will be in any consistent charset. because now, some bits are in latin1 and some are in utf8. this can get quite painfull when dumping...
[09:41:30] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: it seems to have worked perfectly, so I'm not complaining :)
[09:41:54] <Duesentrieb>	yea. as i said, problems may arise down the road.
[09:42:01] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: I did follow this before doing it: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_MediaWiki#Upgrading_to_utf-8_Before_Upgrading_to_1.5.x
[09:42:15] <ndonegan>	so the database does seem to be fully UTF-8
[09:42:28] <Duesentrieb>	maybe, for kicks, try to dump the db, and import it on another system. then try to run the wiki off that (read only). check if non-ascii chars are still fine.
[09:42:58] <Duesentrieb>	uh... if you did that, then upgrade1.5.php is pointless. and may actually be harmfull, i'm not sure.
[09:43:11] <Duesentrieb>	try to edit a page that has non-ascii chars. check the result carefully.
[09:44:24] <ndonegan>	Duesentrieb: I did the upgrade on a local system first rather than the live install. Had to do the upgrade1.5 in order to get some of the tables that update.php required.
[09:46:49] <Duesentrieb>	that... doesn't sound right
[09:46:55] <Duesentrieb>	update.php should create all tables needed.
[09:47:40] <Duesentrieb>	but anyway. if editing pages with non-ascii stuff on them doesn't screw them up, it should be all good.
[09:48:27] <ndonegan>	It was point blank refusing. Exact error has disappeared from my scrollback, however it was something to do with the text table.
[09:48:51] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[09:49:04] <Duesentrieb>	well, the text table didn't exist in 1.4
[09:49:16] <Duesentrieb>	but i was completly convinved that update.php would create it.
[09:49:56] <ndonegan>	It wasn't too happy with the lack of it at all. However running upgrade1.5 sorted that out.
[09:52:18] <Duesentrieb>	very strange. updaters.inc has a function do_schema_restructuring() for exactly this. 
[09:52:26] <Duesentrieb>	so update.php should be able to kope.
[09:52:38] <Duesentrieb>	cope. whatever.
[10:08:56] <schizoschaf>	hi.. is there some URL-save equivalent to {{FULLPAGENAME}}?
[10:10:01] <Nikerabbit>	{{FULPAGENAMEE}} ?
[10:12:37] <schizoschaf>	you can use it in [[Help:Template]]s if youn need the name of the page the template is used on, Nikerabbit 
[10:12:40] <Duesentrieb>	resp {{localurl:{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}}} or something
[10:13:16] <Nikerabbit>	was that a question?
[10:16:22] <schizoschaf>	thanks Duesentrieb, thats a little bit long, but will work
[10:16:22] <schizoschaf>	as it gives /wiki/index.php/page_name where page_name would be fine
[10:23:57] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35040 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: boldface progress
[10:30:19] <schizoschaf>	{{urlrncode it is !
[10:30:28] <schizoschaf>	{{urlrencode 
[10:50:14] <dgdf>	Hi
[10:50:24] <dgdf>	I have a problem with a mediawiki
[10:50:29] <dgdf>	I can't save changes
[10:51:09] <dgdf>	it says I have a "session data loose"
[10:51:23] <dgdf>	where's the problem?
[10:51:48] <Duesentrieb>	!session | dgdf
[10:51:48] --mwbot--	dgdf: make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers.
[10:51:48] <Werdna>	!session
[10:51:48] --mwbot--	make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers.
[10:51:52] <Werdna>	haha
[10:51:53] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[10:52:24] <dgdf>	I've been updating the wiki without problems
[10:52:37] <dgdf>	but today I get that error
[10:52:38] <Duesentrieb>	so?
[10:52:43] <Werdna>	what did you change?
[10:52:44] <Werdna>	cookies?
[10:53:05] <Duesentrieb>	upgraded php too, maybe?
[10:53:08] <Duesentrieb>	changed server?
[10:53:21] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, doublecheck  the session.save_path stuff
[10:53:27] <dgdf>	maybe
[10:53:34] <dgdf>	ok, I'll check it
[10:53:40] <dgdf>	thank you, guys
[11:00:45] <Fire>	re
[11:09:32] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Allow apostophes in external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14179  +comment (10pathoschild)
[11:27:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) search tool have a problem in accented characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14180 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (dzucherato)
[11:28:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) search tool have a problem in the accented characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14181 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (dzucherato)
[11:33:45] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) search tool have a problem in the accented characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14181  +comment (10rainman)
[11:36:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) search tool have a problem in accented characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14180  +comment (10rainman)
[11:39:41] <Buzz_>	i have a config options problem. I was the recent changes rss feed to display more entries. I've got $wgDefaultUserOptions['rcdays']=14 so that recent changes shows by default stuff from the last 14 days. By default it shows the last 50 max. In this example im getting about 20 results back fine. But the rss feed shows only 1 result. If i change $wgDefaultUserOptions['rclimit']=14; the rss feed shows more items, but then the recent changes
[11:39:41] <Buzz_>	page is set to 14. if i set it to 50, the rss feed again shows only 1 item.
[11:39:55] <Buzz_>	i was=i want
[11:40:59] <Buzz_>	so the rss feed has some limit which it doesnt allow more than a certain amount. 
[11:44:18] <Buzz_>	how should this work ? is it not possible to have the last 50 items on the recent changes page and the recent changes rss feed ?
[11:58:37] <flyingparchment>	Duesentrieb: i have a feeling your IF() in logstats (which is still being quite slow) could be done quicker
[11:59:07] <Duesentrieb>	maybe. havn't looked at that stuff in years.
[12:04:08] <Buzz_>	no help today it seems :/ there is definetely something wrong here. wgFeedLimit=50, and if wgDefaultUserOptions['rclimit']=50 then the rss feed is showing 1 item. if i set wgDefaultUserOptions['rclimit']=49 then the rss feed shows about 20 items
[12:06:08] <Werdna>	bahaha
[12:06:10] <Werdna>	http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/19/friday-night/
[12:09:22] <Rave21>	hi
[12:12:53] <Rave21>	i need some help
[12:13:15] <AzaTht>	!help
[12:13:15] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[12:13:27] <AzaTht>	!ask
[12:13:27] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[12:13:38] <AzaTht>	that one it was ツ
[12:14:07] <totalwormage>	we need more of those smilies.
[12:14:45] <AzaTht>	!ask | Rave21 
[12:14:45] --mwbot--	Rave21: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[12:15:51] <triplc>	How to "delete" some (or all of a category) logs? for some reason, I do not want to show logs (renames, remove,...) to be shown.
[12:16:29] <Duesentrieb>	you mean logs hor history?
[12:16:37] <Duesentrieb>	and you don't want it to be shown to whom?
[12:16:40] <Rave21>	sorry! is possible to get the username in a wikipage? like "Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}" to get the total number of page
[12:16:57] <Duesentrieb>	Rave21: no. page content is cached. that would not work.
[12:17:50] <Rave21>	i would like to utomatically append on each page the name of the first author, how can i make this?
[12:18:22] <Duesentrieb>	well, the easiest way is to let the author sign it. using ~~~ or ~~~~
[12:18:33] <Duesentrieb>	but then... i wrote an extension for givin a summary of page authors
[12:18:39] <Duesentrieb>	!e PageBy
[12:18:39] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageBy
[12:18:44] <triplc>	Duesentrieb: I want to remove those logs (and/or history) completely. I have a wiki which is "closed" to begin with (namely, a closed group wiki which contents are for my group). Now I want to make it open (as readonly for public)... But I do not want to show all those logs of the past.
[12:19:15] <AzaTht>	!logs
[12:19:15] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "logs".
[12:19:18] <AzaTht>	hmm
[12:19:24] <triplc>	!log
[12:19:24] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "log". You might try: !api !cms !errors !logo !sul 
[12:19:28] <Duesentrieb>	triplc: i believe there's a script called deleteOldRevisions or some such. oin the maintenance dir. try your luck. make a backup first.
[12:19:44] <Duesentrieb>	triplc: note that that will remove page histories. logs are separate from that.
[12:19:47] <AzaTht>	isn't it just to purge the log db?
[12:20:05] <Werdna>	!sul
[12:20:05] --mwbot--	"Single User Login" will be available Really Soon Now (tm). See <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_login_specifications>, <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login>, and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth> for more information.
[12:20:23] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: i don't think so. it it is, the name would be utterly misleading
[12:20:39] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: uh?
[12:20:40] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: oooohhh! fix it :)
[12:20:48] <Werdna>	fix what?
[12:21:11] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: the sul blurp. it's live now, after all :)
[12:21:42] <Werdna>	is not.
[12:21:42] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: it's called deleteOldRevisions.php ... if it would just purge logs, that would be kind of misleading, no?
[12:21:42] <Rave21>	ok, i look at this, thanks
[12:21:54] <Duesentrieb>	"Delete old (non-current) revisions from the database"
[12:22:04] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: aha, I meant his problem
[12:22:05] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: well, it is, for admins anyway. whatever.
[12:22:09] <AzaTht>	not your misleading answer
[12:22:11] <Werdna>	indeed.
[12:22:28] <Werdna>	anyway, I don't have access to that bot
[12:22:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Watch this page" on Image page not done with Javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14182 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (innocentkiller)
[12:22:40] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: ah.well. he doesn't want "all the logs of the past". which includes histories i guess. probably most importasntly.
[12:22:46] <Buzz_>	there does seem to be a bug with the rss recent changes stuff. SELECT * FROM `recentchanges` FORCE INDEX (rc_timestamp)WHERE rc_timestamp >= '20080505000000'  AND rc_bot = 0 ORDER BY rc_timestamp DESC LIMIT 49 - returns 7 items in the feed. but  SELECT * FROM `recentchanges` FORCE INDEX (rc_timestamp)WHERE rc_timestamp >= '20080505000000'  AND rc_bot = 0 ORDER BY rc_timestamp shows only 1. well the sql itself returns the right amount of
[12:22:46] <Buzz_>	data, but the rss feed has 1 item. so there is a bug in the rss feed code somewhere DESC LIMIT 50 reutns
[12:23:07] <triplc>	it has "deleteOldRevisions.php"... not Old logs
[12:23:09] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: sure you do. anyone with a wikipedia/wikimedia cloak has access.
[12:23:10] <AzaTht>	DELETE * FROM logging;
[12:23:11] <AzaTht>	then
[12:23:18] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) "Watch this page" on Image page not done with Javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14182  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:23:44] <Werdna>	AzaTht: no. DELETE FROM logging;
[12:23:46] <triplc>	yeah... maybe I just go and "delete from logging!!!" (a bit dirty hack,hopefully work)
[12:24:05] <AzaTht>	Werdna: :-P
[12:24:13] <Duesentrieb>	that will delete the log. not recentchanges, and not page histories
[12:24:19] <Duesentrieb>	so, if that's what you ant, go ahead
[12:24:25] <Duesentrieb>	still, make a backup
[12:24:29] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, gotta run
[12:24:30] <Duesentrieb>	bbl
[12:24:51] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: if he wanted to delete everything, then the course of action would be to reinstall MW
[12:25:11] <Duesentrieb>	i suspect he wants to keep current page versions
[12:25:21] <Duesentrieb>	hm, one clean way would be export and import into a clean system, i guess
[12:25:32] <Duesentrieb>	ok, really gone now :)
[12:25:32] <zocky>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni_rAamVP2s <-- priceless
[12:25:54] <d1d4c>	hi. What's the correct way to use various languages in a single mediawiki
[12:25:55] <d1d4c>	?
[12:26:29] <AzaTht>	zocky: hehe
[12:28:18] <AzaTht>	zocky: lets build an root ns in VB when we are onto it ツ
[12:28:40] <Buzz_>	Duesentrieb: do you know how the rss cached feed stuff works. i think the issue im having with recent changes is due to a cached rss feed, and i want to clear the cache
[12:31:08] <Silicium>	hi there
[12:31:15] <schizoschaf>	is there a way to get {{urlencode{{FULLPAGENAME}}}} from inside php? that would make stuffe easier for me i guess
[12:31:34] <Silicium>	i have set perms like: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;
[12:31:53] <Silicium>	so no i need to whitelist a wiki rubrik
[12:32:14] <Silicium>	like
[12:32:18] <Silicium>	whitelist public:*
[12:32:24] <Silicium>	is there a solution for that?
[12:37:02] <mikejw>	how do I create nicely formatted code blocks on my pages like on wikipedia?
[12:38:21] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Syntax highlighting?
[12:39:13] <Werdna>	<code></code>
[12:39:22] <mikejw>	just mainly the formatting to that block element
[12:40:06] <mikejw>	whitespace importance monospaced font etc
[12:40:32] <mikejw>	do I edit the css?
[12:40:39] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	<pre/>
[12:41:10] <Werdna>	no
[12:41:16] <Werdna>	just use <pre></pre> or <code></code>
[12:41:48] <mikejw>	ah pre is the one!
[12:42:00] <mikejw>	code leaves in URL detecion and whatnot :(
[12:42:07] <mikejw>	*detection
[12:43:26] <mikejw>	thanks :)
[12:44:00] <schizoschaf>	to rephrase the question. how do i get the current pagetitle in a php extension
[12:44:02] <schizoschaf>	?
[12:44:17] <Werdna>	$wgTitle
[12:49:22] <schizoschaf>	thx Werdna 
[12:51:56] <Buzz_>	i solved my feed problem. it had cached the old settings. perhaps the cache should be set invalid if parameters are changed
[12:52:18] <Buzz_>	(the old feed was cached. so changing config still made it pull out the cached feed with old settings)
[12:56:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:UncategorizedPages at English Wikibooks is missing M-Z - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14170  (10darklama)
[13:10:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cursor should be placed in the search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:11:27] <d1d4c>	Hi there :). I try to use Template:Languages in a mediawiki, but it shows like this: http://giss.tv/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Languages What I miss?
[13:12:02] <josch|nsn>	d1d4c: install parserextensions
[13:12:40] <d1d4c>	ok, thx josch|nsn :) that's it
[13:21:20] <d1d4c>	josch|nsn: do you mean this? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions is'nt it?
[13:23:09] <josch|nsn>	d1d4c: yepp
[13:23:18] <d1d4c>	ok
[13:23:28] <josch|nsn>	easy to install
[13:23:57] <d1d4c>	yes, now I only need some one with permisions to do it ;)
[13:25:56] <d1d4c>	bah, just writing to the mailing list is enough...
[13:33:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ability to disable messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14176  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:33:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Semantic inline query by property that has non-english name returns nothing . - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13960  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:34:42] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Autocreation of accounts allows short passwords - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4081  +comment (10rlane32)
[13:38:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: Minimal skin for use by PDAs, bots and dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3651  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:40:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable autopromotion for flagged revisions on de. wp again - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14153  (10DaB.)
[13:41:05] <Wiredtape>	good morning all
[13:41:22] <RoanKattouw>	Morning Wiredtape
[13:41:26] <RoanKattouw>	Up early
[13:41:41] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait you're in EST, never mind xD
[13:41:46] <VasilievVV>	hello RoanKattouw
[13:41:57] <RoanKattouw>	Hi VasilievVV 
[13:42:11] <RoanKattouw>	I was gonna poke Brion about API edit again, but I didn't check the time
[13:42:17] <Wiredtape>	gm, RoanKattouw :)
[13:42:17] <RoanKattouw>	Still too early
[13:42:24] <Wiredtape>	defintely is...
[13:42:47] <RoanKattouw>	Well afternoon for me ;)
[13:43:28] <Wiredtape>	Norway is it?
[13:43:36] <RoanKattouw>	Netherlands
[13:43:44] <Wiredtape>	ahh..
[13:44:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autocreation of accounts allows short passwords - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4081  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:44:31] <Wiredtape>	RoanKattouw : how about api edit, btw, is it "good to go" ?
[13:44:58] <RoanKattouw>	Wiredtape: It is if you ask me, I'm just trying to get Brion to unleash it on TestWiki
[13:45:04] <RoanKattouw>	And eventually on all WMF wikis
[13:45:35] <Wiredtape>	it would be very interesting to see if there is it generates a spike in amount of edits... 
[13:45:41] <RoanKattouw>	The barriers are that it's only in 1.13svn currently and it requires $wgEnableWriteAPI = true; explicitly
[13:46:22] <Wiredtape>	is there a way to connect to the server securely? or through a different port? (or does it have to be 80?)
[13:46:57] <Wiredtape>	* just thinking of workarounds for china and other countries in which wikipedia is /banned/
[13:47:21] <RoanKattouw>	Wiredtape: Yes, it has to be 80. You can use SSL on secure.wikimedia.org
[13:47:26] <RoanKattouw>	(port 443 IIRC)
[13:47:34] <Wiredtape>	yup.
[13:48:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Autocreation of accounts allows short passwords - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4081  +comment (10rlane32)
[13:49:28] <Wiredtape>	RoanKattouw: are there any programs you know of that are being built to deliver wiki apps? 
[13:49:45] <RoanKattouw>	What do you mean by "deliver wiki apps"?
[13:49:46] <Wiredtape>	* not sure if i phrased this correctly.
[13:49:48] <Wiredtape>	:)
[13:50:08] <Wiredtape>	if anyone is working on applications that are implementing the api ... (read, write etc)
[13:50:48] <RoanKattouw>	Well I wrote a small bot for Battlestar Wiki (where I'm a sysop) that keeps track of voting pages and edits a voting summaries page every so many minutes
[13:51:11] <cobalt027>	is there a way i can add some custom css styles to a page?
[13:51:25] <cobalt027>	<style> is being interpreted....
[13:51:36] <RoanKattouw>	!css | cobalt027
[13:51:36] --mwbot--	cobalt027: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[13:51:57] <Wiredtape>	cobalt027 you can also do them inline
[13:52:07] <cobalt027>	i do not have admin rights. and i dont want it to be global. just want it for this one page.
[13:52:07] <RoanKattouw>	Oh yeah that's right
[13:52:19] <cobalt027>	how do you do it inline?
[13:52:20] <Wiredtape>	cobalt027:  ^
[13:52:36] <Wiredtape>	you define the element, and then you add style=".."
[13:52:43] <cobalt027>	oh, no good. 
[13:52:51] <Wiredtape>	do explain?
[13:53:24] <cobalt027>	here is the situation: im using the mediawiki built in table thing. I want to add :hover to all table rows. so i need to do it via a <style> block.
[13:53:58] <RoanKattouw>	cobalt027: Use <div style="...">table goes here</div>
[13:54:23] <cobalt027>	ah. that just might work.
[13:54:26] <Wiredtape>	right, and if you really want to , you can use common.css and define a class/id that is only used on this page..
[13:54:37] <cobalt027>	again, i dont have admin rights.
[13:54:44] <cobalt027>	and i cant edit hte common.css
[13:55:48] <Wiredtape>	ahh.. yeah sorry
[13:57:34] <cobalt027>	the { in my style="tr { background: red }" is getting wiki-fied to &#123;
[13:57:36] <cobalt027>	grrrr
[13:57:55] <Simetrical>	cobalt027, you don't use selectors in style="".
[13:58:04] <Simetrical>	<td style="background: red">
[14:06:07] <Simetrical>	Hmm, undo link should not appear on log actions.
[14:06:16] <Simetrical>	Since it will kind of fail to work.
[14:06:23] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: I assume that's a useless undo link...
[14:06:46] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigmar_(Marvel_Comics)&action=history
[14:06:52] <Simetrical>	Er.
[14:06:52] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigmar_(Marvel_Comics)&action=edit&undoafter=103920419&undo=213296234
[14:07:23] <RoanKattouw>	... Null edits such as these happen all the time and there's no smartness to detect them and say 'null edits can't be undone'?
[14:07:30] <Simetrical>	Guess not.
[14:07:37] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, to make them disappear is either expensive or requires a schema change
[14:07:43] <RoanKattouw>	To make them work correctly even more so
[14:07:54] <RoanKattouw>	Impossible with the current schema even
[14:10:45] <WikiziA32>	hi
[14:11:42] <WikiziA32>	i have a question that is standing in the faq, but not answer: "How do I enable PHP to be processed in a page rather than displayed?" Can me someone help?
[14:12:34] <RoanKattouw>	WikiziA32: You mean in a wiki page?
[14:12:58] <WikiziA32>	yes
[14:13:14] <Duesentrieb>	that would be insanely dangerous
[14:13:17] <RoanKattouw>	Unless there's some extension out there that does that (I don't know of one), that's not possible
[14:13:27] <RoanKattouw>	And, as Duesentrieb said, insanely dangerous
[14:13:27] <Duesentrieb>	even on a closed wiki.
[14:13:42] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: There are HTML injection extensions that require the page to be protected
[14:14:20] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: yes. but the demage you can do with html injection is far less than what you can do with running php.
[14:14:31] <RoanKattouw>	True
[14:14:38] <Duesentrieb>	injecting html gives you about the same power editing global js gives you.
[14:14:43] <Duesentrieb>	so it's simple wiki admin level
[14:14:51] <RoanKattouw>	Injecting PHP gives you shell access
[14:14:54] <Duesentrieb>	editing php however is equivalent with shell access to the server.
[14:14:54] <tinus___>	+stealing passwords
[14:14:57] <WikiziA32>	and when the wiki on a intranet site is?
[14:15:12] <RoanKattouw>	Still, anyone who can edit the page can do the most evil things
[14:15:15] <Duesentrieb>	tinus___: html injection and js editing both give you that power
[14:15:21] <tinus___>	yes
[14:15:30] <tinus___>	which (I suppose) is more than wiki admin level
[14:15:34] <WikiziA32>	the person are the it himself
[14:15:39] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: still. it's like giving everybody access to the server files.
[14:15:56] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: maybe tell us what you actually want to do...
[14:15:56] <tinus___>	what are you trying to do anyway
[14:16:04] <Duesentrieb>	there is probably a better (sane) way
[14:16:14] <Duesentrieb>	tinus___: exactly :)
[14:16:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wrong link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14183 major; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (commonenvironmental)
[14:16:36] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: generally, "run php on a wiki pages" means "write an extension".
[14:16:49] <Duesentrieb>	that's exatcly what extensions do. well, some types of extensions anyway
[14:17:32] <WikiziA32>	we need in the intranet of our company in any wiki page ah header with 2 last line from the database about changes
[14:18:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Wrong link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14183  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:18:19] <tinus___>	WikiziA32: so code an extension that does that
[14:18:36] <WikiziA32>	beacause the wiki is ah IT manual, and when wie print it out, in the header you must the the two last changes
[14:18:39] <Duesentrieb>	yea. adding the same php code on every page to achieve this would be silly anway.
[14:19:18] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: the PageBy extension does something similar. though if you want it on every page, you probably also have to hack the skin a bit.
[14:19:28] <RoanKattouw>	!extension | WikiziA32 
[14:19:28] --mwbot--	WikiziA32: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[14:19:33] <Duesentrieb>	and...
[14:19:38] <Duesentrieb>	!skinning
[14:19:38] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[14:21:10] <WikiziA32>	the site are not working ^^
[14:21:32] <WikiziA32>	bad titl it says
[14:21:43] <Wiredtape>	WikiziA32 : which one?
[14:22:39] <WikiziA32>	it was the second, but i have it, thanks searching ^^
[14:22:56] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, probably broke because of the line break
[14:23:51] <Duesentrieb>	huh, line break? all links above work for me...
[14:24:20] <Duesentrieb>	maybe your client is silly and includes the > in the link :)#
[14:24:37] <Duesentrieb>	turning urls into links is up to your irc client. not much we can fix about it.
[14:24:44] <WikiziA32>	yes he do, because i have only ah webbased client ^^
[14:25:16] <Duesentrieb>	that's no excuse for crappy url parsing :P
[14:25:27] <WikiziA32>	thank you all for the help, i will try it
[14:26:23] <WikiziA32>	:p
[14:27:30] <nofrak>	Does anybody have a good way of showing a larger-than window image without scaling it down?
[14:27:47] <RoanKattouw>	nofrak: Firefox?
[14:28:00] <Wiredtape>	nofrak, popup? (firefox is a good answer too :) )
[14:28:03] <Duesentrieb>	nofrak: put it in a html page.
[14:28:14] <Duesentrieb>	auto-scaling only applies if it's shown on its own, afaik.
[14:28:27] <nofrak>	I'd love to put it in firefox, but that would involve convincing some very...unconvincable people to switch
[14:28:52] <Wiredtape>	you mean *bought out* people :)
[14:28:57] <Duesentrieb>	well, if it's too large, you have to scale or scroll, that's for sure...
[14:29:10] <nofrak>	I mean people who work in a beaurocratic university
[14:29:23] <nofrak>	scrolling would be fine, as long as it was multidirectional
[14:29:29] <Wiredtape>	ok.. 
[14:29:48] <WikiziA32>	@duesentrieb can i take your pageBy extenstion as ah template?
[14:29:49] <Duesentrieb>	sure, that's what happens when a page is too large and can not be wrapped
[14:30:03] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: depends on what you mean by that.
[14:30:31] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: you can put it in a template, but there's not much point to it. of by template you mean skin, then the answer is "not easily".
[14:30:32] <Wiredtape>	right, that's why i suggested a popup.. which would let the browser handle the scrolling
[14:30:32] <WikiziA32>	do to what i say earlier
[14:31:09] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: make sure you don't mix "template" and "skin" in the context of mediawiki. very different things.
[14:31:11] <Duesentrieb>	!templates
[14:31:11] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[14:31:12] <nofrak>	Wiredtape:don't some browsers scale it instead?
[14:31:30] <Duesentrieb>	nofrak: not if its on a html page, afaik. only if its shown on its own. try it.
[14:32:07] <Duesentrieb>	also try width="100%" on the img tag
[14:32:23] <nofrak>	Duesentrieb: ok, that's what I was hoping I wasn't going to have to do (it's a lot of images) but if that's what it is, that's what it is.
[14:32:26] <nofrak>	thanks, all
[14:32:28] <WikiziA32>	sorry i mean a template for the Extension, not vor the skinning ^^
[14:32:57] <Duesentrieb>	nofrak: uh? a lot of images? write something then that wraps the image. a four line php script would probably do.
[14:33:12] <RoanKattouw>	WikiziA32: There aren't many templates around, try the link to mediawiki.org about writing extensions we gave you earlier
[14:33:19] <RoanKattouw>	WikiziA32: Are you German?
[14:33:37] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: you can, but you would have to add it to every page. and adding {{pageby}} is not much better than adding <pageby/>, is it?
[14:33:49] <Duesentrieb>	well, maybe if you have some parameters. but still.
[14:34:04] <WikiziA32>	yes, is the english that bad?
[14:34:10] <Duesentrieb>	achking this functionality into the skin would be nicer for you. because the it would  be on every page, always.
[14:34:32] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb : if he were adding parameters for <pageby/> via template he would need to disable cache for it to work, afaik... 
[14:34:41] <Wiredtape>	* not disable it
[14:34:42] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA32: no, but "vor" is dead giveaway :)
[14:34:47] <Wiredtape>	but atleast purge for every change
[14:35:07] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: nope. donÄt think so.
[14:35:31] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: there's no need for that. because what the extension shows only changes when the page changes.
[14:35:32] <WikiziA32>	mh ok, my shool english is long ago ^^
[14:36:02] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: pageby allows you to show informatin about another page too -- in which case it automatically disables the cache.
[14:36:09] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: i wrote that, dude :P
[14:36:14] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb:  :)
[14:36:27] <Wiredtape>	in that case i'm pretty sure it could also solve world hunger ;)
[14:36:35] <Duesentrieb>	sadly, no.
[14:36:42] *Duesentrieb 	searches desk for chips
[14:37:03] <Wiredtape>	which reminds me to go and get some food :)
[14:37:28] <WikiziA32>	ok, i look so make a new skin, and test to put the code insid
[14:38:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137  (10equazcion)
[14:39:32] <CIA-51>	03vrandezo * r35041 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: Made capitalization consistent
[14:41:44] <CIA-51>	03vrandezo * r35042 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Grouped the SMW special pages
[14:47:29] <MinuteElectron>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: graph?
[14:47:47] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Wow... what lag... ;) heh
[14:47:59] <Fire>	Damn, I always get pinged when you talk to Nadir_Seen_Fire 
[14:48:04] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	I believe you were the one who looked at my ShoutWiki graph
[14:48:12] <MinuteElectron>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: oh yeah, I did ;)
[14:48:21] <MinuteElectron>	Fire: I'm sorry :)
[14:48:37] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ I have a revision, I can show it to you... But I'm currently revising it even more... heh
[14:48:39] <MinuteElectron>	Blame it on him hehe
[14:49:03] <MinuteElectron>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: cool :D I was very intrigued by the level of detail you went into it.
[14:49:41] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ You know, I think I'm going to drop the ImageShack stuff... And just upload these to the nadir-point projects wiki...
[14:51:25] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Crap... I didn't change the filename before I saved...
[14:51:31] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: 
[14:51:36] <RoanKattouw>	Oops
[14:52:49] <Fire>	Nadir_Seen_Fire, could you please rename yourself? like.. Nadir_Seen_Fir or Nadir_Seen_Fir* or sth? Please :D
[14:52:52] <MinuteElectron>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: Ctrl + Z
[14:53:07] <MinuteElectron>	:)
[14:53:07] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Nope... can't... Did to much editing
[14:53:14] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	But I can manually revert
[14:53:16] <MinuteElectron>	mmh, what software you use?
[14:53:23] <RoanKattouw>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: Just do /nick Nadir
[14:53:23] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Just Inkscape
[14:53:45] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	:/ There is meaning in this name you know
[14:54:02] <Fire>	Thank you, Dantman.
[14:54:07] <RoanKattouw>	lol didn't know that was you, Dantman
[14:54:43] <Fire>	hi briosche
[14:54:47] <Dantman>	Ya, Nadir_Seen_Fire is my actual unique name... But I can't really get rid of Dantman at all it's far to embedded into multiple communities... Including ones I can't rename
[14:55:09] <CIA-51>	03vrandezo * r35043 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Adding a job to update semantic data when changing the property type.
[14:55:10] <Dantman>	http://nadir-seen-fire.com , Not setup... but I own it
[14:55:38] <Fire>	Dantman: I can't rename, too :)
[14:55:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) My user prefence is NL and TG is what I get - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14162  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10lejonel)
[14:55:54] <RoanKattouw>	Dantman: Me too, I'd like to rename myself to Catrope here but I don't since some people only know me as Roan Kattouw
[14:56:30] <Dantman>	Daniel Friesen -> Darien Friesen -> naDir seen Fire
[14:57:13] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[14:57:31] <MinuteElectron>	annograms, yay :)
[14:57:38] <Wiredtape>	:)
[14:57:51] <Dantman>	^_^ yup... one of the most unique names I could find that had some relevance to myself
[14:57:57] <RoanKattouw>	Dantman: Why not Darin?
[14:58:26] <Dantman>	Darien was the name the split personality I had for about half a week picked out ;)
[14:58:27] <CIA-51>	03vrandezo * r35044 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: Yaron Korens patch to update semantic data after changes to templates
[14:58:34] <Dantman>	I've been obsessed with it since then. heh
[15:00:23] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[15:00:59] <Dantman>	^_^ I attempted to invert my personality, heh... Didn't work out as well as minor changes did...
[15:01:29] <Dantman>	Though it ended up with a positive result
[15:03:10] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35045 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Optional for 'specialpages-group-smw_group'
[15:04:07] *brion 	whistles "don't worry, be happy"
[15:05:39] <Dantman>	Hmm... now if I could only figure out one piece of NFS info
[15:07:03] <brion>	nfs is the devil's work
[15:08:18] <Dantman>	Well... I was looking at NFS and Coda... I understand Coda, and a bit of NFS... But I don't understand if NFS will allow read/write to the cache when the NFS server is down.
[15:08:55] <brion>	nfs pretty much dies horribly if the server is down
[15:09:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Easier flagging when editing a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14184 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (WP.Wuzur)
[15:09:10] <Dantman>	^_^ Believe it or not... but that's a plus for me...
[15:09:28] <Dantman>	There are ocations when I want things to work and ones where I want them to fail on purpose
[15:09:31] <MinuteElectron>	:O
[15:09:39] <Simetrical>	But you can have failover, right?
[15:10:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Easier flagging when editing a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14184  (10N/A)
[15:11:35] <Dantman>	For example... A web editable config file... I want it to read even if it's from a cache so that the site won't go down... But I want writing to fail when the network's shared filesystem is down so that configuration doesn't diverge and have issues.
[15:12:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137  (10equazcion)
[15:13:09] <MinuteElectron>	S-C-A-P!
[15:13:14] <MinuteElectron>	That works well.
[15:13:31] <MinuteElectron>	Probably simpler than messing about with NFS.
[15:14:03] <Simetrical>	Waste of disk space.  Diskless clients!
[15:14:21] <Dantman>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SREBP_cleavage_activating_protein
[15:15:01] <MinuteElectron>	heh
[15:15:30] <Dantman>	Google for SCAP doesn't turn up helpfull results
[15:17:34] <Simetrical>	It's a Wikimedia-specific script.
[15:17:43] <Dantman>	heh
[15:21:42] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35046 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: 
[15:21:42] <CIA-51>	*Remove extra space
[15:21:42] <CIA-51>	*Make revisiondelete links more compact
[15:21:42] <CIA-51>	*Make user links clearer
[15:22:57] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:23:04] <Dantman>	^_^ I love my ~/mwman script: http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d2509bcc9
[15:26:21] <Dantman>	So what does SCAP do?
[15:26:54] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: update php code to servers?
[15:27:04] <Dantman>	Oh
[15:27:19] <Dantman>	Sorry, but that's not going to work out as well for my setup.
[15:27:34] <Dantman>	Well, theoretical setup
[15:37:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong table schema / invalid queries in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14071  +comment (10meier.uli)
[15:39:20] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35047 10/trunk/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Localisation updates German
[15:41:31] <Dantman>	MinuteElectron: http://nadir-point.com/wiki/Image:ShoutWiki-Structure-Draft-v2.svg Here's V2... rsvg doesn't like to render some of it as good though
[15:45:56] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: I happen to have Opera ;)
[15:46:09] <Dantman>	^_^ I'm editing with Safari...
[15:46:18] <flyingparchment>	use imgserv with batik
[15:46:23] <MinuteElectron>	heh
[15:46:49] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: So you won't be invoking diff3? :O
[15:46:57] <Nikerabbit>	hi MinuteElectron
[15:46:58] <Dantman>	Eh?
[15:47:02] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: or texvc
[15:47:15] <Dantman>	I haven't installed texvc yet
[15:47:15] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: You only have rsvg and imagemagick in your invoked programs list
[15:47:17] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: hey
[15:47:45] <Dantman>	What list, where?
[15:47:54] <MinuteElectron>	the red things
[15:48:03] <Dantman>	Ooooohhh
[15:48:28] <Dantman>	Ya, I haven't expanded much into the area of other stuff... I'm still working on the structure graph
[15:48:34] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[15:48:36] <Dantman>	Of course those will likely be installed at some point
[15:48:52] <Dantman>	Right now I'm focusing mostly on the scalable archatecture
[15:49:18] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35048 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/fetchText.php: 
[15:49:18] <CIA-51>	Don't fall into an infinite loop o' death if the pipes get broken.
[15:49:18] <CIA-51>	Exit out if we can't read from stdin anymore, instead of interpreting the 'false' error code as text ID 0...
[15:50:01] <Dantman>	Btw... I do know the varnish/nginx reverse proxying as the heavy server isn't the best method... I did some conversation with Artur and I'm theorizing use of an actual load balancing system (I didn't know much about the existence of that kind of system)
[15:52:02] <Wiredtape>	* what's that little list in the corner there? what list, who where? (to the theme of a broadway musical song, which i forgot atm) :)
[15:52:23] <flyingparchment>	if i was going to deploy a web server cluster, i'd use sun java system web server (aka netscape iplanet) - fast, lightweight, extremely scalable, built-in clustering support
[15:54:22] <Dantman>	Debain doesn't have good java support
[15:54:31] <Dantman>	Debian*
[15:54:38] <flyingparchment>	it doesn't need java to run - and it works fine with sun-java6 on debian
[15:54:50] <flyingparchment>	(java is used for the admin server and the gui, but the server itself is in C++)
[15:57:28] <brion>	sun just slaps the "java" name on everything willy-nilly
[15:57:45] <flyingparchment>	yeah
[15:57:46] <Dantman>	heh
[15:57:51] <brion>	'cuz people think "oh java, i heard of that. it must be good"
[15:58:03] <flyingparchment>	its part of "Java Enterprise System" which is what they call their enterprise suite
[15:58:09] <flyingparchment>	(web server, proxy, ldap and other stuff)
[15:58:13] <brion>	"java deskstop system" is just..... gnome desktop on solaris....
[15:58:17] <Dantman>	^_^ then there are the people who think.... O_o java... sounds slow... Run for the hill!!!
[16:00:18] <henna>	brion: quick question about unified accounts, is there a way to figure out which wikis where succesfully included in the unification and which ones weren't if you're nog longer an admin anywhere?
[16:00:39] <brion>	erm?
[16:00:54] <brion>	special:mergeaccount should show you for your own
[16:00:55] <flyingparchment>	brion: i hear they rebranded it back to "Solaris GNOME" now
[16:00:59] <brion>	heh
[16:01:10] <flyingparchment>	brion: btw, there was a standalone "JDS" too, which was SuSE with JDS on top... the most useless product ever ;)
[16:01:16] <flyingparchment>	(long since EOL'd)
[16:01:34] <henna>	brion: mm, wrong channel :)
[16:01:37] <Wiredtape>	brion, is centralauth stable? 
[16:04:28] <brion>	define stable
[16:05:12] <Wiredtape>	:) working on wmf sites?
[16:06:51] <Luxo>	uuh thats a deep interpretation of 'stable' :P
[16:08:21] <Wiredtape>	:) , heh, if it runs rather well on a 60mil+/month website and a huge user database, i think that makes it rather stable... 
[16:09:37] <JimShoe_>	anyone know where I could go to find out about mediawiki scripting....I need to make something that will turn 3 page edits into 1 script
[16:10:18] <Wiredtape>	JimShoe_ : you can try #mediawiki-scripts
[16:10:20] <Wiredtape>	:)
[16:11:00] <JimShoe_>	ok
[16:11:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Consider $wgRCMaxAge when generating limit links for recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9257  (10brion)
[16:12:40] <dp>	is this the place to ask about creating/editing mediawiki Templates?
[16:13:04] <Wiredtape>	dp, what do you need?
[16:14:29] <Simetrical>	dp, not really, but you can try.
[16:15:02] <dp>	Wiredtape: I'm trying to create a template for servers that we have, and since I don't have all of the information on all of them, I want to make some parts optional; I don't want to display the IP Addresses section, if an ip address hasn't been passed: http://pastebin.dp.cx/129
[16:15:08] <dp>	but it doesn't really work
[16:16:25] <Wiredtape>	dp, well, in the pastey you are showing ( i don't know what #var does) but if you want to check for {{{ipaddresses}}} than do {{#if:{{{ipaddress|}}}
[16:16:44] <RoanKattouw>	dp: You do have ParserFunctions installed, right?
[16:16:50] <Wiredtape>	and then of course the "if yes" and "if no"
[16:16:53] <dp>	RoanKattouw: yes
[16:16:54] <RoanKattouw>	Also, the #var is unnecessary
[16:17:15] <RoanKattouw>	Just use {{{ipaddresses|}}}, which'll expand to nothing if ipaddresses isn't set
[16:18:00] <dp>	http://pastebin.dp.cx/130 -- I now have that.  but even though an IP is being passed, nothing is displaying
[16:18:20] <RoanKattouw>	http://pastebin.dp.cx/131
[16:18:53] <RoanKattouw>	dp: You forgot a | at the end of line 1
[16:18:54] <dp>	cxool!
[16:19:06] <dp>	why do I need one in each location?
[16:19:25] <RoanKattouw>	Well {{{paramname|defaultvalue}}} says what the default value for ipaddresses is
[16:19:34] <RoanKattouw>	{{#if:condition|ifnotempty|ifempty}}
[16:19:35] <dp>	ah
[16:19:42] <dp>	makes sense now
[16:19:51] <dp>	thanks!
[16:19:52] <RoanKattouw>	(the default value in this case is nothing, of course)
[16:20:07] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) <noinclude> edits in templates should not be submitted to the job queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9293  +comment (10brion)
[16:23:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) robots.txt -- exclude ro:VfD - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12546  (10brion)
[16:26:04] <Simetrical>	Why does Mozilla have pages-long documentation on building instead of allowing ./configure && make && make install to actually work?
[16:26:14] <RoanKattouw>	No idea
[16:26:26] <RoanKattouw>	You know the Linux kernel also doesn't do configure+make
[16:26:29] <RoanKattouw>	But that's no excuse
[16:26:41] <RoanKattouw>	Poor comparison, too
[16:26:52] <Dantman|afk>	Yup. very
[16:27:15] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Btw... "Nadir" pings me as well
[16:27:34] <Mkop>	I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a template with basic formatting
[16:27:35] *Simetrical 	was idly thinking of poking at some Mozilla coding, but has never actually done any serious work with compiled code before, so . . .
[16:27:47] <Mkop>	ie I want it to have a box around it, and a bgcolor, not just text
[16:28:11] <Simetrical>	!editing | Mkop 
[16:28:11] --mwbot--	Mkop: For assistance with editing, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents/Editing_Wikipedia
[16:28:18] <Simetrical>	That's a stupid link.
[16:28:30] <flyingparchment>	autoconf is pretty fail
[16:28:44] <flyingparchment>	i like build systems where i type 'make solaris' or 'make linux' and it already knows how to compile on my system
[16:28:50] <flyingparchment>	instead of guessing and getting it wrong half the time
[16:29:30] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ and having to reinstall over and over just to try and get the damn thing to work... But fail miserably in the end anyways...
[16:29:40] *Nadir_Seen_Fire 	stares doominly at PHp
[16:29:41] <Simetrical>	Mkop, you more or less need to use HTML/CSS for this.  Either copy from existing templates or go find tutorials on those.
[16:30:03] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, surely it's not difficult for it to figure out the difference between Linux and Solaris reliably.
[16:30:42] <Mkop>	should I just copy wikipedia's ambox template?
[16:30:43] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: i've seen all kinds of bizarre and convoluted autoconf tests for something that could be done trivially with 'on linux do X, on {solaris, hp-ux, aix...} do Y'
[16:30:59] <Simetrical>	Like what?
[16:31:10] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: and there's not much additional work to do that, since you need to test on those platforms anyway if it's going to have any hope of working
[16:31:23] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: like trying to work out how to prototype/invoke tputs(), for one i came across recently
[16:31:40] <flyingparchment>	it took 4-5 iterations of me trying it and the author tweaking it before we got something that worked on linux, netbsd, hp-ux and solaris
[16:32:28] <flyingparchment>	i already knew exactly what needed to be done on each of those platforms; the problem was working out how to make autoconf return the right result
[16:36:18] <flyingparchment>	here's another example: screen uses autoconf to detect if 'setenv' is available.  unfortunately, autoconf can't detect which variant of setenv is present (there are 2; one takes 2 args and one takes 3)
[16:36:41] <flyingparchment>	so, it knows that linux setenv uses one form, and BSD uses another.  at the time, solaris (9) didn't have setenv at all, so it also worked there
[16:36:58] <flyingparchment>	solaris 10 added the 3-arg setenv.  screen detects it, didn't know about solaris, and defaulted to the two-arg version.  -> compile fails
[16:40:15] <CIA-51>	03grondin * r35049 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Adding Email Article extension for translations
[16:45:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spam blacklist, vandals should not be able to duplicate links when spamlinks are already on page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14114  (10brion)
[16:51:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Consider $wgRCMaxAge when generating limit links for recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9257  (10dan_the_man)
[16:56:10] <josch>	what tools do you guys use to resolve php segfaults?
[16:56:24] <flyingparchment>	a debugger
[16:56:24] <josch>	refreshLinks.php segfaulted a second time now
[16:56:27] <josch>	strace?
[16:56:29] <josch>	gdb?
[16:56:48] <flyingparchment>	whatever the native debugger is on the system i'm using.. which is usually dbx or gdb
[16:57:20] <josch>	flyingparchment, can you assist me solving the segfault? i'm only slightly familiar with gdb
[16:59:34] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Section editing may revert previous edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1601  +comment (10brion)
[16:59:34] <flyingparchment>	probably not
[16:59:35] <josch>	can you point me to someone who could?
[16:59:35] <josch>	i want to help solve this issue
[17:00:26] <flyingparchment>	perhaps you could create a simple test case and file a php bug
[17:01:18] <josch>	reproduction of this bug is limited for others i think as one would have to import the german wikipedia
[17:03:10] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35050 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Database.php: $join_conds
[17:07:37] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) My user prefence is NL and TG is what I get - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14162  +comment (10brion)
[17:07:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  +comment (10brion)
[17:12:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  $wmgExtraImplicitGroups is not correctly merged in $wgImplicitGroups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14163  +comment (10brion)
[17:14:05] <ilyak_>	I'm getting an SQL error and mediawiki says (SQL query hidden)
[17:14:15] <ilyak_>	How to make it reveal that query?
[17:14:35] <ilyak_>	It didn't dump it to stderr either
[17:15:21] <brion>	doesn't it tell you which var to change? maybe that was some other errors
[17:15:27] <brion>	anyway it's pretty self-explanatory
[17:15:36] <ilyak_>	Nope it doesn't
[17:15:37] <brion>	search for 'sql' in DefaultSettings.php, you'll turn it up
[17:15:40] <ilyak_>	It's an SQL error
[17:15:42] <brion>	(the var name is)
[17:15:45] <ilyak_>	Not connection error
[17:15:51] <ilyak_>	OK I will
[17:18:30] <ilyak_>	Didn't help
[17:19:19] <MinuteElectron>			/* Generate and return the SGML element.
[17:19:19] <brion>	what didn't help, ilyak_ ?
[17:19:23] <MinuteElectron>	sorry
[17:19:35] <ilyak_>	brion: Looking in DefaultSettings
[17:19:45] <ilyak_>	I don't see the specific setting there
[17:19:53] <ilyak_>	Tweaked a few without much success
[17:20:33] <brion>	ilyak_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowSQLErrors
[17:21:06] <ilyak_>	brion: Oh really, thanx
[17:22:49] <ilyak_>	Looks like my wikimedia messed its database entirely in encodings dept
[17:23:16] <ilyak_>	Or MySQL messed itself, because it is known to wrongly fool around with encodings for ages
[17:25:10] <ilyak_>	Is there a doc somewhere about how to make wikimedia on mysql5 actually work?
[17:25:27] <ilyak_>	As in, set and stoer everything in utf-8 and never ever thinking about tinkering with it?
[17:26:46] <alnokta>	it works ilyak_ afai tried
[17:26:55] <ilyak_>	Q: What happens if my data is not in LATIN1 and I try to dump/restore it or update package? A: MySQL is free! (c)
[17:27:09] <ilyak_>	alnokta: Well, it used to work, but it no longer does that
[17:27:09] <flyingparchment>	you must dump with --default-character-set=latin1
[17:27:24] <ilyak_>	flyingparchment: And you'll get an eternity of question marks
[17:27:31] <ilyak_>	A big fan of question marks?
[17:27:32] <flyingparchment>	works fine for me
[17:27:42] <ilyak_>	flyingparchment: Maybe you don't have anything besides latin-1?
[17:27:52] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) search tool have a problem in accented characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14180  +comment (10brion)
[17:27:54] <ilyak_>	And always wondered why people need anything than that?
[17:27:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use Unicode Character Folding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4430  +comment (10brion)
[17:28:02] <flyingparchment>	i dump wikipedia, it has lots of fun characters
[17:28:08] <alnokta>	heh
[17:28:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use Unicode Character Folding for accents, punctuation chars in search index - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4430  summary (10brion)
[17:28:13] <alnokta>	latin1 sucks
[17:28:44] <alnokta>	i am not sure, but what if you tried the dump script?
[17:30:27] <ilyak_>	alnokta: I have a pretty valid dump.
[17:30:42] <ilyak_>	I did load it to database properly
[17:30:44] <ilyak_>	It worked
[17:30:49] <ilyak_>	Now it no longer
[17:31:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14183  (10brion)
[17:31:39] <CIA-51>	03grondin * r35051 10/trunk/extensions/EmailArticle/EmailArticle.php: Fixing bug about calling class
[17:33:14] <alnokta>	ilyak_: what do you mean?
[17:33:53] <ilyak_>	alnokta: It no longer works
[17:34:00] <ilyak_>	mediawiki spits SQL errors
[17:34:15] <ilyak_>	related to encodings
[17:34:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Consider $wgRCMaxAge when generating limit links for recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9257  (10brion)
[17:34:34] <ilyak_>	and MySQL console seems to be utf8-uncapable
[17:34:51] <alnokta>	you have to set it
[17:35:04] <ilyak_>	alnokta: Set what?
[17:35:19] <alnokta>	the mysql client encoding
[17:35:51] <ilyak_>	How? --default-character-set didn't cut it.
[17:35:58] <ilyak_>	Also, how about respecting, eh, locale?
[17:38:24] <alnokta>	i don't know how would you convert it.. perhaps you should stick with the first choice
[17:39:01] <ilyak_>	alnokta: It doesn't work.
[17:39:08] <ilyak_>	There is no way how it would work
[17:39:20] <ilyak_>	Because it doesn't.
[17:39:29] <alnokta>	in your .my.cnf add [client] default-character-set=utf8
[17:39:39] <ilyak_>	I'm trying to fix it, but I can't try anything because mysql can't handle utf-8 input
[17:40:00] <ilyak_>	It would just go crazy when I'll type any utf-8 character
[17:40:27] <alnokta>	do you have the old wiki working?
[17:42:06] <ilyak_>	No, already. How would it help me, anyway?
[17:42:29] <alnokta>	if it is working then stick with it :P
[17:44:09] <ilyak_>	Sorry, but one should be a master to his web-apps, not prey
[17:44:27] <ilyak_>	And it works always whenever MySQL and PHP are *not* involved
[17:45:20] <alnokta>	:)
[17:47:44] *alnokta 	hates it when sites are gone
[17:49:47] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) pre-built search returns no matches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12627  +comment (10brion)
[17:51:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Suggestion searching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7288  +comment (10brion)
[17:52:45] <ilyak_>	Is there a way to specify database connection encoding in mediawiki?
[17:54:31] <MinuteElectron>	ilyak_: When you set up MediaWiki you are given the choice of using backwrds compatibility schema for MySql 4 and above or an experimental MySQL 5 only schema.
[17:54:45] <MinuteElectron>	Once you've chosen one its difficult to move and you should probably stick with it.
[17:54:58] <MinuteElectron>	If you chose the mySQL 4 one (the default) then you need to dump using latin1 encoding.,
[17:55:40] <MinuteElectron>	It should also be noted that MediaWiki stores UTF-8 characteres in latin1 encoded databases
[17:55:49] <ilyak_>	What is interesting is that it worked for some time until it break
[17:56:23] <MinuteElectron>	ilyak_: Clearly something must have changed either with the server or your MediaWiki configuration then.
[17:56:51] <MinuteElectron>	Please tell us the exact error you got to aid in debugging further.
[17:56:52] <ilyak_>	I wonder why wouldn't it just work when I supply $wgDBmysql5 = true;
[17:56:59] <gegema>	I am currently running MW 1.11.0 on a VM to test certain extensions and other things... however, I want to upgrade this to an svn trunk (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN), is this doable, or would I have to download the svn Mw and overwrite my existing install?
[17:57:03] <ilyak_>	and upload a database in utf-8
[17:57:29] <MinuteElectron>	ilyak_: Well, why did you suddenly feel an urge to change to the MySQL 5 schema?
[17:57:32] <ilyak_>	MinuteElectron: 1271: Illegal mix of collations for operation ' IN '
[17:57:37] <Dodde>	if I use a template with the syntax {{template-name|[[link with brackets]]}}, is there a way in the template code to extract "link with brackets" withough the brackets, so it can use create "[[link with brackets#Anchor|link with brackets]]" from this instead?
[17:57:45] <ilyak_>	MinuteElectron: I've moved to a server which had mysql5
[17:58:01] <MinuteElectron>	ilyak_: so?
[17:58:14] <ilyak_>	It felt logically to upload the db in the encoding it actually is in, and set wgDBmysql5 to true
[17:58:21] <MinuteElectron>	ilyak_: The schema is radically different, there is no point in changing it and little benefit is gained.
[17:58:21] <ilyak_>	s/ly//
[17:58:48] <ilyak_>	MinuteElectron: Well, for some reason, it did work
[17:58:59] <MinuteElectron>	Until it broke :)
[17:59:10] <ilyak_>	Well, I'm not sure that 'it' broke
[17:59:25] <ilyak_>	MediaWiki is much much better written than MySQL itself
[17:59:29] <ilyak_>	Despite being in PHP
[17:59:41] <MinuteElectron>	wtf?
[18:00:01] <ilyak_>	I'm talking about code quality
[18:00:14] <ilyak_>	In the 'it does that it's supposed to do' sense
[18:00:17] <MinuteElectron>	Well, TBQH that is irrelevant here.
[18:00:35] <ilyak_>	I see MySQL failing a pretty valid query
[18:00:52] <ilyak_>	I see MySQL not being able to input utf-8 into its shell
[18:01:06] <MinuteElectron>	Due to an "illegal mix of collations" which was possible caused by you changing from latin1 to utf8.
[18:01:06] <ilyak_>	Maybe it's built here with wrong defaults, but anyway
[18:01:24] <MinuteElectron>	Also, are you sure that your shell environment supports utf8?
[18:01:55] <ilyak_>	MinuteElectron: Locale is utf-8
[18:02:00] <ilyak_>	Terminal supports utf-8
[18:02:47] <josch>	hrm... i fail to find an in depth mediawiki article on how to debug php segfaults....
[18:03:20] <MinuteElectron>	josch: That's because debugging PHP segfaults is a rare thing to do and out of scope for a MediaWiki article.
[18:03:34] <josch>	okay
[18:03:46] <josch>	i have to learn how to use gdb then right?
[18:04:14] <gegema>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading >> says 'f using Subversion, export the files into a clean location. Replace all existing files with the new versions from 1.12, preserving the directory structure." can someone please break this down for me? if current insall is on /path/to/wiki, just download the svn install to a new /path/to/newwiki?
[18:05:16] <ilyak_>	Is there a way to make mysqldump make insert statements *one row per line*?
[18:05:40] <ilyak_>	For EVERY choice they had chance to do in their development process, they did mess EVERY ONE
[18:05:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137  +comment (10brion)
[18:07:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo of Georgian Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14101  (10brion)
[18:07:58] <brion>	ilyak_: i'm pretty sure there is, check the man page
[18:08:11] <brion>	the --opt option set includes the multi-row inserts as it's generally nice for performance
[18:08:19] <brion>	but i'm pretty sure you can disable it explicitly as well
[18:08:53] <brion>	josch: one php segfault issue which you _can_ perhaps address is too-deep recursion
[18:09:17] <brion>	try installing the xdebug extension for php, it can provide some nice debugging tools such as detecting deep recursion and dying gracefully with a stack trace
[18:09:37] <josch>	brion, can you point me where to find docs for this?
[18:09:43] <brion>	if it's something else, then it might be much harder to debug :)
[18:09:49] <josch>	dying with a stack trace sounds much nicer
[18:09:51] <brion>	http://xdebug.org/
[18:10:14] <ilyak_>	There is, but you can't find it in the man page unless explicitly told
[18:10:14] <josch>	thx
[18:10:21] <josch>	okay
[18:10:25] <josch>	will have a look
[18:10:35] <josch>	there are three wiki pages so far that produce this segfault
[18:11:03] <josch>	ah nice it's in my debian repo
[18:12:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please switch off "nofollow" attribute for foundationwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14105  +comment (10brion)
[18:12:45] <brion>	yay debian
[18:13:34] <josch>	hrm... i see i have to recompile php for this to work
[18:13:42] <josch>	will it be much slower afterwards?
[18:14:28] <josch>	ah noe - i only have to add the xdebug module
[18:14:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change main en.wikipedia logo to the "fixed" one used @ de. wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14137  (10equazcion)
[18:17:10] <ilyak_>	zm_categorylinks table contents seem to be all broken
[18:17:30] <ilyak_>	But that doesn't reveal why can't it do ELECT page_id, page_namespace, page_title FROM `zm_page` WHERE (page_namespace=0 AND page_title IN(
[18:28:44] <gegema>	I have /phase3 and /wiki in my current setup... have backed up everything from the wiki.. what files do I need to copy over from phase3 over to the /wiki to be running the snv version, or should it be the other way around, what files do I need to copy from the /wiki to /phase3?
[18:35:31] <ilyak_>	If I try to create a database in latin1 and upload a database into it, I get a lot of question marks inside
[18:35:56] <ilyak_>	Is there a way to tell mysql "everything would be just 8-bit octets, don't mess with them"?
[18:36:11] <ilyak_>	Why do I ask? It is going to always mess with them
[18:45:15] <dp>	I have another template related question, if anyone is up to it :)
[18:46:19] <dp>	http://pastebin.dp.cx/132 -- I'm seeing the == IP Addresses == part, so I know ipaddress1 exists, but the LoopFunctions don't seem to work; any suggestions?
[18:52:45] <dflores>	i'm running MediaWiki 1.9.3 and would like to know if there is a way to handle users with a username containing an underscore.  currently it appears that the software is trying to recreate the user each time he or she is authenticated.
[18:54:32] <alnokta>	are you using cool url thing?
[18:55:05] <dflores>	i'm not sure what that is.
[18:56:01] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35052 10/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Stabilize image description links
[18:56:32] <alnokta>	dflores: do you have a url we can look?
[18:57:03] <josch>	lol with xdebug activated i just get
[18:57:04] <josch>	Category population complete.
[18:57:17] <josch>	when running populateCategory.php
[18:57:40] <dflores>	the server requires authentication, so no.  are you referring to short urls?
[18:58:14] <dflores>	such as: http://internal.domain.com/wiki/Main_Page
[18:58:56] <alnokta>	yes
[18:59:28] <alnokta>	you have it, try to disable it
[18:59:29] <dflores>	then yes, we're using cool url or whatever it's called.
[18:59:36] <alnokta>	and try 
[18:59:52] <alnokta>	if it works, then you need to tweak the rewrite rules
[19:00:01] <jlerner>	is there a way to catch when a user forgets to close a custom tag?
[19:00:17] <jlerner>	e.g., i create tag <foo>  - user enters <foo>whatever
[19:00:18] <jlerner>	but no </foo>
[19:00:18] <alnokta>	its called short urls, ;)
[19:00:28] <jlerner>	the page just goes blank
[19:00:52] <jlerner>	mediawiki 1.11
[19:01:46] <jlerner>	no error in the debug.log..
[19:02:09] <alnokta>	doesn't tidy fix that? or iam very optimistic 
[19:04:59] <ialex>	if it's an extension tag, tidy is useless
[19:05:55] <jlerner>	yeah, tidy doesn't help
[19:13:11] <dp>	any suggestions?
[19:16:56] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35053 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): No need to index timestamp too
[19:21:34] <jlerner>	ialex: fwiw, it was my bug, not really because the end tag was missing ;-)
[19:27:19] <nofrak>	quick question:  do updated images keep the same absolute address as the old versions?
[19:28:22] <Fire>	re
[19:28:35] <ialex>	nofrak: yes
[19:28:51] <nofrak>	ialex: awesome, thanks
[19:29:07] <peterdorrie>	hi, got a problem with image uploading: the Server gives me a Error 500 and says that the Server is either overloaded, or an error in a CGI Script has occured... The whole thing worked painless up until a few days ago
[19:32:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Hide/Show mechanism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14185 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[19:36:32] <dflores>	the removal of the short urls practice didn't help my login issue.
[19:37:03] <dflores>	the error message indicates a problem with the function "User::saveSettings"
[19:37:31] <brion>	AaronSchulz: 35052 contains a lot of unquoted timestamps being dumped into raw sql bits
[19:37:45] <brion>	+			$query = $row ? "filetimestamp={$row->fi_img_timestamp}" : ""; 
[19:37:53] <brion>	or... what are those?
[19:37:57] <brion>	it's very unclear and horridly ugly
[19:38:04] <brion>	whatever it is going into, it's got no escaping
[19:38:08] <brion>	or formatting
[19:38:18] <brion>	if it's for a URL, it needs to be converted to TS_MW
[19:38:27] <dflores>	which i would imagine it's just cause the user name is "c_user", which i believe gets rewritten by the mediawiki software to "c user" and then tries to create the user record in the db as "c_user", which already exists
[19:39:51] <alnokta>	did you clear the cache?
[19:40:24] <dflores>	i don't have a caching layer
[19:40:38] <alnokta>	mw does
[19:40:47] <dflores>	ahh, how would i do that?
[19:41:01] <crazybanana>	Hello.
[19:41:11] <crazybanana>	What is wpStarttime and wpEdittime for?
[19:41:34] <alnokta>	well, a click on "clear private settings" in firefox, and make a dummy edit to LocalSettings.php 
[19:41:35] <domas>	for conflict handling
[19:41:51] <crazybanana>	domas: What should they be set to?
[19:42:16] <domas>	no idea =) 
[19:42:21] <domas>	check what they're set to usually
[19:42:28] <crazybanana>	20080519193850
[19:42:29] <alnokta>	afaik
[19:42:38] <crazybanana>	20080519 <-- This part is easy.
[19:42:44] <crazybanana>	But the rest I can't guess.
[19:42:55] <ialex>	hhmmss
[19:42:58] <crazybanana>	No idea what timezone or how much they differ.
[19:43:16] <alnokta>	domas:  mw is that big that you get lost in it :P
[19:43:24] <ialex>	crazybanana: they change at each time you edit a page
[19:43:35] <crazybanana>	ialex: Of course...
[19:43:43] <crazybanana>	ialex: And I am trying to figure out how to generate them properly.
[19:43:58] <alnokta>	crazybanana: do you know what curiosity caused to the kitten?
[19:44:05] <crazybanana>	?
[19:44:17] <amidaniel>	Ohhh .. poor kitteh :(
[19:44:38] <crazybanana>	Is anyone actually trying to help me?
[19:44:40] <ialex>	wpStarttime is wfTimestampNow(); (actual timestamp)
[19:44:49] <bango>	hey ive got captcha on my wiki, but it only works when a regist user writes an article how can i make that it ask anonym users too?
[19:44:51] <alnokta>	amidaniel: yeah
[19:45:04] <amidaniel>	alnokta: Why are you so mean to the kittehs? :(
[19:45:41] <amidaniel>	bango: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#Configuration
[19:45:58] <bango>	yeah ive already istalled this extension
[19:45:59] <alnokta>	amidaniel: because they are curious ?
[19:46:11] <domas>	alnokta: I don't get lost!
[19:46:11] <bango>	which part must i change?
[19:46:14] <domas>	I just don't go in
[19:46:24] <domas>	alnokta: btw, getting my ass to Alexandria will be super-complicated. 
[19:46:31] <alnokta>	:)
[19:46:35] <alnokta>	eh why is that?
[19:46:36] <amidaniel>	alnokta: It's not their fault. It's the way they were born
[19:46:45] <alnokta>	we are near .lt 
[19:47:33] <alnokta>	amidaniel: they try to get away with their deceiving voices 
[19:48:12] <alnokta>	domas: what route will you take?
[19:48:26] <amidaniel>	They're not deceiving; they're precious. And I wuvz them.
[19:48:34] <domas>	alnokta: see, it is direct flight to Hurghada or Sharm'..
[19:48:43] <domas>	alnokta: Cairo flight involves 15h hour waits in airports
[19:48:55] <domas>	and Alexandria flight is just one day or so in a week, and costs 3000$ :)
[19:49:55] <alnokta>	domas: direct to alex? why not just go to cairo then a 2 hour trip to alex
[19:50:31] <domas>	alnokta: not direct.
[19:50:51] <hashar>	hello :)
[19:50:57] <domas>	and I tell you, getting to Cairo is ~25h journey, one direction :)
[19:51:08] <domas>	unless travel agents think of something miraculous :)
[19:51:21] <domas>	alnokta: and nearly all flights end up at night in Cairo
[19:51:53] <ialex>	hello hashar
[19:51:58] <alnokta>	domas: well, its not your first time 
[19:52:11] <domas>	alnokta: in Egypt? :)
[19:52:24] <domas>	last flight ended up at night in Hurghada, where a bus took me directly to my hotel
[19:52:25] <alnokta>	yes
[19:52:43] <domas>	ending up at night in Cairo and then going to Alexandria sounds fun
[19:52:59] <domas>	anyway, I'll have to sleep over the night, either in Cairo or some intermediate european destination :)
[19:53:11] <alnokta>	haha
[19:53:18] <alnokta>	nag them at the embassy :P
[19:53:53] <MinuteElectron>	ialex: Can I ask you a couple of questions about Configure? 1) Why are there check boxes for group permissions but they don't actually do anything, and 2) Is it possible for $wgSitemapNamespaces to use checkboxes like the other namespace options?
[19:54:05] <MinuteElectron>	s/do anything/arne't clickable
[19:54:22] <ialex>	MinuteElectron: you need to have 'configure-all' right
[19:54:31] <MinuteElectron>	oh, right
[19:54:36] <MinuteElectron>	makes sense, thank you
[19:55:05] <ialex>	MinuteElectron: and for the second one, maybe ;)
[19:55:12] <MinuteElectron>	:P thanks
[19:55:53] <crazybanana>	What timezone does WP use?
[19:56:11] <ialex>	generally UTC
[19:57:07] <domas>	crazybanana: some projects use local timezones
[19:57:15] <domas>	crazybanana: like lt. uses EET :)
[19:57:30] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hmm, urlencode
[19:58:05] <brion>	AaronSchulz: generally we try to use TS_MW consistently for web-facing timestamp parameters
[19:58:11] <AaronSchulz>	yeah, that too
[19:58:28] <brion>	a convenient thing about it is it doesn't contain spaces or other special url chars ;) but really it's just good to be consistent
[20:00:32] *amidaniel 	waves ^demon 
[20:00:41] *^demon 	waves back
[20:00:53] <domas>	mmm
[20:00:53] <^demon>	AmiDaniel: Know much about importDump.php?
[20:01:06] <domas>	that guy who made wfTimestamp() was genius!
[20:01:06] <amidaniel>	domas certainly does :)
[20:01:14] <bango>	ive everythink on true but it still dont work
[20:01:19] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35054 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: wfTimestamp() url param
[20:01:22] <AaronSchulz>	brion: :)
[20:01:53] <crazybanana>	Hmm...
[20:02:13] <^demon>	domas: I'm trying to use importDump.php but it keeps telling me the file is too large. How would I go about alleviating that?
[20:02:24] <crazybanana>	OK. I have the right format and time, but I don't know how wpStarttime and wpEdittime differ. Which should be the current time and which should be different, and how different?
[20:03:33] <AaronSchulz>	brion: I can't believe that index slipped through before
[20:03:52] *AaronSchulz 	feels silly
[20:06:53] <alnokta>	^demon: split it 
[20:07:08] <^demon>	alnokta: A WMF dump?
[20:07:34] <alnokta>	^demon: yes . what else
[20:07:48] <domas>	^demon: actually, amidaniel lied to you
[20:07:51] <domas>	^demon: I don't know :)
[20:08:27] <^demon>	domas: Thanks anyway then.
[20:09:03] <alnokta>	^demon: http://blog.prashanthellina.com/2007/10/17/ways-to-process-and-use-wikipedia-dumps/ use split_xml_dump.py
[20:09:07] <Sundance_Chess>	hi
[20:09:26] <alnokta>	that was the only way to get past dreamhost evil process killer bots
[20:11:03] <Raymond_>	AaronSchulz: btw: with your latest changed to Images and FlaggedRevs does a sighted page shows the thumbnails of images of this timestamp?
[20:11:45] <AaronSchulz>	it always did that
[20:12:26] <Raymond_>	images from the local wiki only or from Commons too?
[20:12:31] <Duesentrieb>	uh... thumbnails of old versions of images are kept around now?
[20:12:40] <Duesentrieb>	how does that work path-wise?
[20:13:07] <^demon>	alnokta: I'll look into that, thanks.
[20:14:58] <DJ`Mike>	Hi, I was wondering if someone help me out with getting started on this.  I am trying to tie a site registration/login script I have to work with my wiki (mediawiki of course).  I was wondering how one might get started on that.  Thanks! :P
[20:20:45] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35055 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:20:45] <CIA-51>	* (bug 1701) Korean Hangul syllables now broken down properly in Category lists even if the wiki's overall content language is not Korean
[20:20:46] <CIA-51>	Nothing else left in LanguageKo class, so ditching it.
[20:21:06] <Duesentrieb>	DJ`Mike: mediawiki has an authentication plugin interface to do the reverse: tie mediaiwki to some external authentication system
[20:21:08] <Duesentrieb>	!auth
[20:21:08] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[20:21:11] <dp>	has anyone used the LoopFunctions extension?
[20:21:35] <Duesentrieb>	while (true) say "no" to dp;
[20:21:46] <Skizzerz>	dp: No, but may I ask why you would even want something like that?
[20:22:15] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Creating a See also template which doesn't repeat the same thing over and over and over?
[20:22:32] *Nadir_Seen_Fire 	wonders if he should poke himself back into working on WikiCode
[20:22:32] <dp>	Skizzerz: I'm wanting to loop over a set of parameters to a template, and display them as a list
[20:22:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) special firstChar() routine for Korean characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701  +comment (10brion)
[20:23:15] <Skizzerz>	The way the parsing order goes, I'm not even sure if it is possible to display template parameters that were created after initial execution of the template
[20:23:50] <dp>	I'm sending the parameters to the template, rfrom the page
[20:23:55] <Skizzerz>	But do you know exactly how many parameters said template would have?
[20:24:00] <DJ`Mike>	thanks Duesentrieb
[20:24:07] <Skizzerz>	or is it a variable amount?
[20:24:11] <dp>	Skizzerz: well, I'm naming them all similarly
[20:24:17] <DJ`Mike>	I'll see how far I can get with that
[20:24:18] <dp>	IE, ipaddress1, ipaddress2, etc
[20:24:41] <Skizzerz>	ok, but are you planning on having a max amount allowed though? If so you don't even NEED an extension for that :)
[20:24:49] <dp>	no
[20:25:30] <Skizzerz>	hmm... a while function would be better than a loop function, but even so wiki markup was designed to be a markup language, not a programming language
[20:26:21] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	I don't consider some of the points to be completely programming oriented. At least not in the negative portions.
[20:26:48] <Duesentrieb>	a foreach loop may be accepable. a while loop makes the template system turing complete. which is something you donÄt really want.
[20:27:04] <orudie>	so i used special export and exported one category , and when i try it it returns error 
[20:27:17] <dp>	I'm just trying to loop over all of the ipaddress* parameters, and display them as a list
[20:27:22] <dp>	similar with site*
[20:27:35] <Skizzerz>	anyway, the foreach code looks safe enough
[20:27:43] <dp>	but it doesn't work :(
[20:28:02] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: what error?
[20:28:05] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ I may be using the confusing term WikiCode, but the project I was working on aimed at collecting existing parserfunctions, improve them, and add new ones. Aimed not at making MW turing complete, but rather at making complex template code more human readable and lighter on the server.
[20:28:07] <dp>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions -- there's an error in the foreachHook, because $parser->mArgStack isn't an array
[20:28:12] <orudie>	i used this command java -jar mwdumper-2008-04-13.jar --format=sql:1.5 name.xml | mysql -u orudie -p wikidb
[20:28:19] <Skizzerz>	...
[20:28:24] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	dp: Are you using anything like {}'s inside the loop
[20:28:31] <dp>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: yes
[20:28:33] <JeffBoldgloom>	hello
[20:28:36] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Do note that you can't nest parserfunctions inside of the loops
[20:28:39] <JeffBoldgloom>	I wonder if anyone here can help me
[20:28:46] <Skizzerz>	!ask | JeffBoldgloom
[20:28:46] --mwbot--	JeffBoldgloom: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[20:28:52] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 32: Duplicate entry '158120196' for key 1
[20:29:01] <dp>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: I'm just trying to follow the example under #foreach
[20:29:13] <dp>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions#Examples_2
[20:29:34] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, however it doesnt give that error when importing enwiki-20080312-pages-articles.xml 
[20:29:52] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, the duplicate error comes out only when using special exported xmls
[20:29:57] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: i don't think that can be caused by a bad dump. maybe if the dump contains the same page twice, this error is triggered? possible, would suck though.
[20:30:09] <NicDumZ>	"Brion just enabled the write api on test wiki" <<-- yeeeeeeeehaaaa :þ
[20:30:28] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, i dropped my prev. database and started over , same thing 
[20:30:33] <karlp15498654965>	hi sirs
[20:30:46] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, trying this with empty database 
[20:30:58] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: sorry, i donÄt know why it happens. knowing what field on what table this refers to would happen.
[20:31:17] <karlp15498654965>	can anyone tell me how to config my mediawiki to use the x_forwarded_for headers as the ip of the user?
[20:31:22] <Duesentrieb>	empty database doesn't help if it's triggered by having a page twice in a singe xml dump. which is just a guess.
[20:31:29] <karlp15498654965>	because currently it uses the squid's ip
[20:31:34] <flyingparchment>	karlp15498654965: configure your front end server in $wgSquidServersNoPurge
[20:31:45] <karlp15498654965>	eh?
[20:32:05] <karlp15498654965>	$wgSquidServersNoPurge - Same as $wgSquidServers, except they aren't purged.
[20:32:27] <karlp15498654965>	I put my squid ips in the $wgSquidServers
[20:32:43] <flyingparchment>	then you did something else wrong
[20:32:47] <Duesentrieb>	karlp15498654965: x-forwarded should be used for all the squids you declared.
[20:33:00] <alnokta>	does "nad sqlite" come here?
[20:33:28] *Nadir_Seen_Fire 	wonders if he should tweak MediaWiki to autoredirect  to the mainpage...
[20:33:37] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: please try to export only one page and import it. then try three. then trie the same page twice. see if having the same page twice triggers the problem.
[20:33:39] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	\$1* Damn escapes
[20:33:56] <karlp15498654965>	well
[20:34:00] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, thats what i tried, 1 page 
[20:34:01] <dp>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: any suggestions on my problem?
[20:34:07] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Nope
[20:34:07] <karlp15498654965>	what are the steps you need to go through to make sure you get it setup right?
[20:34:09] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: o_O
[20:34:20] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: you said one category. big difference.
[20:34:20] <karlp15498654965>	I have a frontend and backend squid just like wikipedia
[20:34:26] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, tried 3 subs, and then tried 1 
[20:34:33] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ At the moment I'm thinking at kernel level... Well, IPVS to be exact
[20:34:39] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: try one *page*
[20:34:41] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, the only way it would work if using the complete enwiki 
[20:34:48] <karlp15498654965>	how will putting the squid ips in nopurge affect the fact that when I edit a page the IP shown as the editee is the squid's?
[20:35:01] <karlp15498654965>	:s
[20:35:05] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, ok, not sure how to export only 1 page 
[20:35:20] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: by puttign the name of the page in the big field on the export page
[20:35:39] <karlp15498654965>	is there any apache setting to accept it?
[20:35:40] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, ok
[20:35:58] <karlp15498654965>	I've looked around on the mediawiki wiki and on google but not found anything
[20:37:05] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, so you said this is a page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Free_software
[20:37:27] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ Confusia says: Even though you think you do... You actually don't need to run apache to serve webpages, least of all mediawiki...
[20:37:28] <Duesentrieb>	uh, yes...?
[20:37:32] <alnokta>	brion: when using file cache only, if the db is down, it returns the last cached version.. correct?
[20:38:40] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Erm... no
[20:38:51] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Last time I checked, if the DB is down MW will die painfully
[20:39:00] <Zven86>	I agree
[20:39:24] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	You can't get away without a DB in MW, even when dealing with lots of caches it still needs to make plenty of DB queries
[20:39:40] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	And worst of all, even in read only mode it needs a master server.
[20:39:59] <karlp15498654965>	does anyone here use squid with their mediawiki? :(
[20:40:08] <alnokta>	well, in its docs (file cache), it says what i just mentioned..
[20:40:15] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ Even Wikia doesn't use Squid with MediaWiki
[20:40:17] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, ...
[20:40:28] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	They started sniffing Varnish instead... heh
[20:40:42] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: ...yes?
[20:40:43] <alnokta>	karlp15498654965: do you really have all that traffic?
[20:40:50] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35056 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/filerepo/File.php): Backport r34616
[20:40:57] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, is this a page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Free_software
[20:41:09] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: anything you can edit on a wiki is a page.
[20:41:09] <alnokta>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: it is good but not properly supported
[20:41:13] <Duesentrieb>	so, yes.
[20:41:22] <karlp15498654965>	alnokta: no, I got zero, I just wanna set it up to scratch and get it all working
[20:41:58] <Duesentrieb>	karlp15498654965: setting up a huge array of servers for a wiki that is not being used seems silly. 
[20:41:59] <karlp15498654965>	also, apologies for my long name, 'twas a bad choice of nick
[20:42:03] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, so how can i put that in into the big field on the export page
[20:42:08] <Duesentrieb>	how about... start small, grow as needed?
[20:42:10] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ Artur doesn't like Squid because on Wikia it got faster under high load, and slowed down under low load... ;) And I'm not mixing up that sentence...
[20:42:11] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, the whole url ?
[20:42:28] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: huh? no. just the page name. Portal:Free_software
[20:42:30] <Duesentrieb>	one page name per line
[20:42:40] <karlp15498654965>	Duesentrieb: it's not, it's not even a real PC, it's a VM
[20:42:40] <Duesentrieb>	just like they get added when you add a category.
[20:42:53] <karlp15498654965>	running two instances of squid, memcached, apache etc
[20:42:57] <Duesentrieb>	karlp15498654965: then why the hell even bother with a squid setup?
[20:42:59] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, yes, i did that yesterday thats what i'm trying to import, just 1 page 
[20:43:03] <flyingparchment>	two squids on one system?
[20:43:05] <karlp15498654965>	random project?
[20:43:14] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	I'm not even using squid/varnish on my setup...
[20:43:18] <MinuteElectron>	Nadir_Seen_Fire: Maybe because the cache is getting populated more under high load so it doesn't have to fetch it proper all the time.
[20:43:21] <karlp15498654965>	you should be :)
[20:43:22] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: so do it now again. 
[20:43:41] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: one page, current revision only.#
[20:43:55] <Duesentrieb>	import it. if it still fails, something is *very* broken.
[20:44:13] <karlp15498654965>	guess not one is gonna assist now that you guys know its not even a real site :(
[20:44:16] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Well whatever the case, Varnish doesn't do the same thing as Squid
[20:44:44] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, putting in Portal:Free_software , then trying export, nothing happens
[20:45:08] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, when clicking ADD its not adding anything 
[20:45:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Inner join" categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14186 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[20:45:20] <crazybanana>	What should wpStarttime and wpEdittime be set to?
[20:45:25] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Probably skipping low level checks it doesn't need to do under low load which squid isn't.
[20:45:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When the expansion size is reached, the editor is not warned about it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14094  (10brion)
[20:46:12] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: that's be cause ADD is for categories. if you add stuff manually to the big field, you don't use that. click export at the bottom.
[20:46:45] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: the big field lists the pages to export. the small field with the add button is just a convenience to fill in the contents of entire categories.
[20:47:01] <eghjaytee>	Hello, can someone tell me how meta tags are generated within mediawiki? Like is there a function or piece of code that determines what will become tags for meta?
[20:47:01] *Duesentrieb 	always though that to be obvious enough. maybe not.
[20:47:37] <karl15>	pretty please :(
[20:47:46] <karl15>	i shortend my nick for you guys!
[20:47:50] <karl15>	:-P
[20:48:10] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, putting Portal:Free_software then export at buttom nothing happens
[20:48:28] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: if i do it, i get a download promt. i just tried.
[20:48:34] <ialex>	brion: do you a minute ? :)
[20:48:40] <ialex>	*have
[20:48:56] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, are you doing it here ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[20:49:05] <alnokta>	ialex: he is on a roll now.. leave him be :P
[20:49:19] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: you are putting that i the BIG field, yes? 
[20:49:32] <Duesentrieb>	yes. there. exactly
[20:49:55] <alnokta>	karl15: you set it up and working.. what s the problem?
[20:51:06] <brion>	ialex: i'm doing patch review
[20:51:07] <brion>	what's up? :)
[20:51:27] <ialex>	brion: i've made a patch to change all @addtogroup to @ingroup (wich is quite big ;)
[20:51:38] <karl15>	alnokta: it isnt working
[20:51:47] <karl15>	alnokta: working would display the ip of the user as the editor
[20:51:47] <ialex>	and would know if it's ok :)
[20:51:56] <karl15>	not the ip the squid is running on
[20:52:12] <karl15>	mediawiki is not getting/not using the IP x_forwarded_for is sending
[20:52:32] <karl15>	and it does get there as I see 2 ips in x_forwarded_for in phpinfo();
[20:53:01] <brion>	ialex: erm?
[20:53:03] <brion>	ah
[20:53:06] <brion>	in the doc comments?
[20:53:10] <ialex>	yes
[20:53:32] <brion>	does @addtogroup not work right?
[20:53:35] <ialex>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/group__SpecialPage.html is quite useless now
[20:53:42] <brion>	:(
[20:53:45] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, the big field worked :P now renamed the huge file name.xml to page_soft.xml running this command  java -jar mwdumper-2008-04-13.jar --format=sql:1.5 page_soft.xml | mysql -u orudie -p wikidb and it doesnt work  
[20:53:46] <brion>	k let's see that patch :D
[20:54:05] <karl15>	brion, any ideas? :)
[20:54:47] <brion>	karl15: x-forwarded-for can be easily forged by a malicious host, so it's only used when there's a chain of trusted hosts in between
[20:54:51] <Buzz_>	Simetrical: I just saw your work on the category count on large categories etc. nice. that ones been bugging for for ages!
[20:55:06] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: huh? huge file? you should just have saved an xml file containing a single page. i.e. not much more than what you see when you click "edit page" on wikipedia. Plus a bit of xml wrapper stuff and header info.
[20:55:09] <DJ`Mike>	so....on the authplugin.php, do I set $domain = www.site.com/wiki ?
[20:55:22] <brion>	you can list trusted proxy IPs in $wgSquidServersNoPurge
[20:55:38] <karl15>	does it have to be nopurge?
[20:56:00] <karl15>	I have the squid IPs in the $wgSquidServers array? would that make a difference?
[20:56:11] <brion>	$wgSquidServers lists proxies that are for internal use, to which purge notices will be sent when pages update
[20:56:37] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, not huge file, i said huge file name, meaning long file name like Wikipedia-20080519205502.xml , so i renamed it so that its easier for me to type it in when using the java import command 
[20:56:42] <brion>	you'd only put things in $wgSquidServersNoPurge for those you *won't* be sending purge notices to (usually this means external proxies, or it could be your own non-caching proxy)
[20:57:09] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: ah. well, ok. and you say that fails too? that's... odd.
[20:57:10] <karl15>	ok I'll try sticking the frontend squid ip in that
[20:58:02] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, i'm going to try without renaming now 
[20:58:22] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: uh, looking at that command... that's probably not gonna work. because the first line mysql is going to read is the password. which mwdumper doesn't output. or am i seeing that wrong?
[20:58:51] <Duesentrieb>	or did you supply the pw on th command line and just removed it for posting the command here=
[20:58:52] <karl15>	nope :(
[20:58:56] <karl15>	was not successful
[20:58:59] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, which command should i use ?
[20:59:08] <karl15>	it still uses the ip of the squid as the editee instead of the 'end user'
[20:59:33] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, i wasnt sure if this was the right command, i kinda had to modify it from the tutorial on mwdumper.jar
[20:59:38] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: you either give the password after -p (with no space between), or you put user & password info in your ~/.my.cnf file so it's used automatically
[21:00:00] <crosbow>	how can i run maintenance/update.php without shell access?
[21:00:12] <flyingparchment>	Duesentrieb: mysql asks for the password in a way that works even if stdin is a pipe or file
[21:00:15] <Duesentrieb>	you can always just save the sqlto a file, too, and experiment with that.
[21:00:34] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: really? i recall having problems with that... but maybe i'm confusing something
[21:00:48] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: *Does* it ask for the pw? do you enter it? then it should be fine.
[21:00:51] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, yeah that worked without asking me for the password after putting it in , but returned ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 31: Duplicate entry '3374901-205302853' for key 1
[21:01:21] <Duesentrieb>	sorry, i have no idea why that would happen.
[21:01:36] <Duesentrieb>	it sounds quite strangre to me
[21:01:53] <Duesentrieb>	especially since those ids whould come from auto-increment fields as far as i know.
[21:02:32] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, like i said it works fine with using the entire enwiki pages articles dump.xml
[21:02:34] <Duesentrieb>	i especially have no idea why it would happen when importing a single page, but not when importing an entire wikipedia. that sounds quite odd.
[21:02:49] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: you must have evil server pixies in your database server.
[21:02:51] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, but i dont need the whole thing 
[21:03:12] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, server pixies dont know what tha tmeans
[21:10:32] <DJ`Mike>	so as to my authplugin related issue above.  with the authplugin, will I be able to allow users to register for/login to the wiki through a form on a completely seperate part of the site?
[21:22:49] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35057 10/trunk/extensions/EmailArticle/EmailArticle.i18n.php: 
[21:22:49] <CIA-51>	* article -> page
[21:22:49] <CIA-51>	* email -> e-mail
[21:23:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rescaling of animated gif increase size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11822  +comment (10brion)
[21:25:56] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, can i try using a different storage engine such as MyIsam  instead of innodb ?
[21:26:55] <Duesentrieb>	orudie: you can try, but i very much doubt it will change anything. and i'm not sure how well that works in live operation.
[21:27:30] <crazybanana>	What should wpStarttime and wpEdittime be set to?
[21:28:15] <brion>	crazybanana: starttime is the time you started editing; edittime is the timestamp of the current version of the page at the time you started editing, for comparison later to check for edit conflicts
[21:28:48] <crazybanana>	Hmm...
[21:28:57] <crazybanana>	So it has to be accurate?
[21:29:02] <crazybanana>	Damn.
[21:29:06] <crazybanana>	Lots of extra work.
[21:29:11] <crazybanana>	Not to mention an extra HTTP request.
[21:29:51] <crazybanana>	Wait... why does it need to send that like a hidden input?
[21:29:56] <crazybanana>	Shouldn't it know that server-side?
[21:30:15] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35058 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiDelete.php): API: Merge file deletion code from ApiEdit_Vodafone branch.
[21:30:45] <brion>	the alternative is to make up an edit-session-state identifier for the sole purpose of tracking the edit time for edit conflicts
[21:30:52] <brion>	...which would be passed as a hidden field
[21:30:58] <brion>	so.... not much point eh? :D
[21:31:16] <crazybanana>	:S :S
[21:31:38] <crazybanana>	Also, is the prefix "wp" referring to WikiPedia?
[21:31:45] <brion>	w = wiki
[21:31:49] <brion>	p = post (form fields)
[21:32:04] <brion>	g = global
[21:32:05] <brion>	s = session
[21:32:07] <brion>	c = cookie
[21:32:11] <brion>	f= function
[21:32:16] <brion>	you see that sort of crap around :)
[21:32:29] <alnokta>	i want one from c 
[21:33:21] <crazybanana>	Oh...
[21:33:34] <crazybanana>	I thought maybe it was a thing left over from whe MediaWiki was Wikipedia.
[21:33:41] <crazybanana>	Maybe MediaWiki has always been developed independently.
[21:33:48] <crazybanana>	I have NFI.
[21:34:00] <CIA-51>	03nicdumz * r35059 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[21:34:00] <CIA-51>	#14094 When the expansion size is reached, the editor is not warned about it :
[21:34:00] <CIA-51>	Adding 2 messages + 2 categories, similarly to "Warning: This page contains too
[21:34:00] <CIA-51>	many expensive parser function calls" to warn the user when template post
[21:34:00] <CIA-51>	include size (or template argument post include size) is too large
[21:35:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) When the expansion size is reached, the editor is not warned about it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14094  +comment (10nicdumz)
[21:35:10] <NicDumZ>	thanks for your review, brion ;)
[21:36:29] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) "Inner join" categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14186  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:36:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow searching in intersections, etc. of categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5244  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:38:45] <brion>	:D
[21:44:05] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35060 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserInfo.php: 
[21:44:05] <CIA-51>	Force indices of groups and rights array to be in order so that the JSON
[21:44:05] <CIA-51>	formatter recognizes it as a list instead of a dict in case for some reason
[21:44:05] <CIA-51>	rights or groups are removed somewhere in between (as done for sysops on
[21:44:06] <CIA-51>	testwiki).
[21:48:11] <karl15>	fyi guys and brion
[21:48:14] <karl15>	I worked out what it was
[21:48:18] <karl15>	I was working with local ips
[21:48:28] <karl15>	and it didn't want to assign one to me so it just gave me the squid's
[21:48:56] <karl15>	I removed IP::isPublic( $ipchain[$i + 1] ) from function wfGetIP and it appears to work
[21:49:00] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35061 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweaks to recently added messages
[21:50:17] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35062 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: Fix syntax error
[21:56:06] <Maximillion|Away>	is it possible to add new levels of protection like [edit = bureaucrat] ?
[21:58:06] <Soxred93>	Hey, is it possible to upload images using the API?
[21:58:09] <alnokta>	you don't trust admins?
[22:00:06] <Maximillion|Away>	not really that, I just want to know 
[22:06:38] <Duesentrieb>	Maximillion|Away: $wgRestrictionLevels
[22:06:51] <Duesentrieb>	default is array( '', 'autoconfirmed', 'sysop' );
[22:07:25] <Duesentrieb>	not sure if it takes groups or permissions ('autoconfirmed' and 'sysop' are both, groups and pseudo-permissions)
[22:07:38] <Maximillion|Away>	ok, thanks 
[22:07:45] <orudie>	have anyone seen this error before? ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 31: Duplicate entry '3374901-205302853' for key 1
[22:07:58] <orudie>	i'm getting it when trying to import 
[22:08:18] <orudie>	java -jar mwdumper-2008-04-13.jar --format=sql:1.5 page_soft.xml | mysql -u orudie -p<password> wikidb
[22:08:21] <orudie>	with this command
[22:08:27] <orudie>	could someone please take a look 
[22:08:32] <orudie>	i dont understand what i'm doing wrong 
[22:09:54] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, i just dropped my database, removed the ibdata1 file, restarted mysql server, installed a fresh copy of mediawiki 1.12 with MyIsam storage engine, same thing :(
[22:10:36] <Duesentrieb>	the error indicates the same thing is being inserted twice into the db. nothing of what you did would change that. but i have no idea what it would happen. it shouldn't. and i have never seen it.
[22:10:42] <Duesentrieb>	not from mwdumper, wanyway
[22:11:29] <orudie>	in this command, the sql:1.5 what is this 1.5 number, what does it mean 
[22:11:37] <orudie>	is it the java version ?
[22:11:58] <Duesentrieb>	no. the basic database schema
[22:12:15] <Duesentrieb>	there's 1.4 (the old schema) and 1.5 (what we use now)
[22:12:24] <Duesentrieb>	there have been changes since 1.5, but nothign major.
[22:12:33] <Duesentrieb>	database layout before that was radically different
[22:12:34] <orudie>	oh man
[22:12:43] <orudie>	so i ran out of options did i
[22:12:46] <orudie>	of the things i can try 
[22:13:15] <Duesentrieb>	i can't think of anything without digging deep into java and/or sql
[22:13:37] <orudie>	maybe it has to do with the java version i'm using 
[22:14:37] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, http://pastebin.com/m635e757a
[22:15:31] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35063 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserInfo.php: Reverting r35060 -- can't reproduce the reported problem so far, but if it exists this should be moved upstream so User::getGroups() and User::getRights() return consistent values themselves
[22:15:34] <Duesentrieb>	very unlikely
[22:16:08] <Duesentrieb>	the sql version would be more likely to have an influence. but still...
[22:16:22] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 31: Table 'wikidb.cur' doesn't exist
[22:16:30] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, thats when using 1.4 in the command 
[22:16:53] <Duesentrieb>	that's because it doesn't exist, i guess?
[22:17:01] <Duesentrieb>	whywould you use 1.4?
[22:17:07] <Duesentrieb>	it exists oinly for backward compatibility
[22:17:16] <orudie>	i want to use anything that works 
[22:17:24] <orudie>	i would 
[22:17:25] <orudie>	at least 
[22:18:19] <orudie>	maybe i have a bad mvdumper program 
[22:18:45] <orudie>	mwdumper
[22:19:25] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, there is another method to import , the slower one 
[22:19:37] <Duesentrieb>	dure
[22:19:37] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, do you know of it ? its different from wmdumper
[22:19:40] <Duesentrieb>	importDump.php
[22:19:49] <orudie>	Duesentrieb, yeah that one 
[22:19:55] <^demon>	Won't take over large files though.
[22:20:10] <Duesentrieb>	but he's having problems especially with small files :)
[22:20:18] <orudie>	:)
[22:20:23] <orudie>	so.....
[22:20:32] <orudie>	should i clear table text etc...
[22:20:36] <orudie>	before trying to import ?
[22:20:48] <orudie>	or not neccessary ?
[22:22:09] <Duesentrieb>	i'd start with a clean database. empty tables, that is. i don't think it creates the db for you. 
[22:22:46] <Duesentrieb>	hm... wait... not sure if *empty* tables is what you want. although... well, probably doesn't hurt :)
[22:22:53] <Duesentrieb>	i'd try with a fresh install.
[22:23:01] <Duesentrieb>	which would have a few pages. a main page,m anyway
[22:23:03] <orudie>	yeah, fresh install is what i have
[22:23:43] <orudie>	so when importing , how can i specify which page should be my homepage 
[22:41:48] <danieltahar>	hello
[22:41:56] <danieltahar>	anyone have the patience to help a beginner wiki'er?
[22:42:15] <alnokta>	danieltahar: just ask
[22:42:32] <danieltahar>	ok, lemme get my thoughts together
[22:43:17] <danieltahar>	i want to create a wiki site that lets peoplep upload stuff, and would like to set up some sort of default template -- that is, when someone creates a new page, it'll already have a few tags, like a place for an image etc
[22:46:01] <danieltahar>	anyone?
[22:46:28] <alnokta>	wait for it
[22:46:36] <danieltahar>	ok sorry i'm new here
[22:52:28] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35064 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:52:28] <CIA-51>	* (bug 12773) addOnloadHook() now calls functions immediately when scripts are
[22:52:28] <CIA-51>	 loaded after the primary page completion, instead of dropping them
[22:52:28] <CIA-51>	* (bug 13232) importScript(), importStylesheet() funcs available to custom JS
[22:52:28] <CIA-51>	Increases wikibits.js by 1k or so, but it should help with those custom scripts :D
[22:52:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232  +comment (10brion)
[22:52:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) JS: addOnloadHook() calls after runOnloadHook() fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12773  +comment (10brion)
[22:53:44] <danieltahar>	ok, another question. what's considered a really good, reliable wiki hosting solution? i just signed up with siteground but i'm not sure i'm liking it
[23:04:33] <brion>	heh... http://www.macminicolo.net/macmini.html
[23:04:54] <Fire>	Hi
[23:06:07] <Charitwo>	bye
[23:08:25] <Charitwo>	hi Splarka, wb Fire 
[23:08:39] <Dantman|Away>	brion: ^_^ heh... well, at least they save on hardware space... They could stack hundreds of those together, heh...
[23:09:57] <brion>	i had one of the first model intel mac minis, it was kinda cute, but i only really used it for intel compatibility testing, then to play itunes tv downloads on my tv
[23:10:14] <brion>	ended up selling it and buying an appletv so i wouldn't have to rsync my files to it manually :)
[23:11:31] <orudie>	i'm logged in as sysop to my wiki and i cant see the "edit" or "ceate" button for this page http://www.selsovet.com/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Common.css
[23:12:32] <Splarka>	does it work as: http://www.selsovet.com/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Common.css?action=edit  ?
[23:12:58] <orudie>	Splarka, yes 
[23:13:40] <Dantman>	One of these days I'm going to have to swtich to a mac
[23:14:01] <Dantman>	Better platform for web development than the crap I'm working with
[23:14:52] <Dantman>	And just use a Boot Camp portion and Parallels for quick access when I need something Windows only
[23:15:31] <Dantman>	Though, I'll have to get a Mac laptop first, cause my Portable hardrive's software only runs on windows
[23:35:31] <Dragonfly6-7>	Conservapedia's instantiation of MediaWiki has crashed, and crashed bad. Is this something about which we need to be concerned?
[23:35:45] <Dragonfly6-7>	....and as I ask that, it comes back
[23:35:46] <Dragonfly6-7>	never mind
[23:37:03] <flyingparchment>	your question was so vague i'm not even sure what you're asking
[23:37:16] <flyingparchment>	if the site is entirely down, then i'd imagine that's something you should be concerned about it..
[23:37:43] <Dragonfly6-7>	flyingparchment - for several hours today, all pages at conservapedia gave some horrible gibberish of error messages
[23:38:14] <Dragonfly6-7>	when I say "we", I mean "everyone else who uses MediaWiki"
[23:38:36] <Dragonfly6-7>	I have no connection with Conservapedia other than occasionally being awestruck by their rectofossal ambiguity
[23:39:20] <flyingparchment>	if you don't use the site i don't imagine problems there would affect you
[23:40:20] *Dragonfly6-7 	rephrases again. Could a spectacular failure in one instantiation of the software indicate a vulnerability in other instantiations of the software?
[23:41:25] <flyingparchment>	you need more information to answer that.  like what caused the problem
[23:43:01] <Dragonfly6-7>	flyingparchment - my guess is fetal alcohol syndrome.
[23:43:16] <Dragonfly6-7>	or... wait, you mean the problem with their copy of MediaWiki? No idea.
[23:43:33] <flyingparchment>	this is what your question sounds like to me: "I went to a MediaWiki site and it had an error message.  Is there a bug in MediaWiki?"
[23:44:29] <Dragonfly6-7>	"I went to a MediaWiki site and it had several huge error messages, for several hours. Could this indicate a potential problem with other MediaWiki sites?"
[23:50:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Log in / create account page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14187 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (view_point)
[23:53:15] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35065 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:53:15] <CIA-51>	Toss in a "display from" input field on Special:Categories
[23:53:15] <CIA-51>	I'm not 100% happy with this yet as it doesn't play nice with initial-lowercase input.