[00:07:40] 03(FIXED) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760 +comment (10matthew.britton) [00:25:41] it looks like currently uploading a file requires "create" permissions even if the title already exists; is this a feature or a bug? [00:27:15] question to you all - does anyone know how to adjust wikimedia software so any edit made must be approved by a sysop before it publicly shows? [00:27:25] is there an extension or functionality within wikimedia software? [00:28:40] s/for the moment/right now [00:30:17] anyone? [00:31:14] HypedZJ: There's an extension. [00:31:17] !e FlaggedRevs [00:31:17] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs [00:32:03] thanks [00:32:03] ! [00:36:10] hrm... hey guys. [00:36:22] so i got the wiki loaded back up ok... but seems there is one other issue... [00:36:37] from within function "Revision::insertOn". MySQL returned error "1048: Column 'old_id' cannot be null (localhost)". [00:36:48] something tells me thats another "auto increment" field? [00:37:25] aedaemoen: look in maintenance/tables.sql [00:44:58] seems all of the auto_increment fields in my table lost the auto_increment setting. [01:04:00] 03aaron * r35165 10/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [01:04:00] *Redo newRevisionFromEditComplete hook. Pass an Article instead of a title [01:04:00] *Use prepareTextForEdit() to avoid double parsing [01:04:00] *Parser cache will be saved again later, so need to do it twice in a row [01:13:03] 03aaron * r35166 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Respect $wgShowUpdatedMarker [01:14:19] 03(mod) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760 +comment (10compwhizii) [01:16:26] Hey peeps. I'm trying to center the userloginForm, but CSS-center-aligning everything isn't working. Any tips? [01:29:46] 03vyznev * r35167 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): Make Special:Upload display detailed permissions errors. Also avoid checking for 'create' permissions if the target title already exists. [01:36:01] 03vyznev * r35168 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/ (3 files): [01:36:01] Remove verifyUpload hook, just check images using the normal userCan hook. This [01:36:01] closes a loophole that allowed creation of blacklisted image pages via normal [01:36:01] editing. Note that combining this version with MediaWiki revisions prior to [01:36:03] r35167 breaks the 'reupload' option and produces uninformative output for [01:36:05] blacklisted uploads. [01:38:41] 'sup my friends? I want to add something to the Special:Userlogin&type=signup page. Ideally a checkbox and text above the "create account" button, but I would settle for just putting text there. [01:39:05] So, is there a MediaWiki message for that area or a hook in the code? [01:49:43] Smaug: Probably have to edit /includes/SpecialUserlogin.php [01:50:34] Sasoriza: yeah, looking at that page now. The UserCreateForm hook looks promising, but I'm not sure exactly how to use it [01:53:59] Looks like you have to create a template for it first, then insert function fnMyHook($template) { ... } into /includes/SpecialUserlogin.php, then add $wgHooks['UserCreateForm'][] = 'fnMyHook'; to LocalSettings.php [01:54:45] But I've never used it, so don't quote me on that [01:56:22] yeah, i got that from the manual page on MW.org, but how (syntax-wise) do I make the template? [01:59:16] Check Extension:CustomUserCreateForm [02:00:08] thanks, but it still doesn't seem to get specific about how to make the template [02:01:57] look at the code: function customUserCreateForm($template) ... from there [02:05:47] unless I'm missing something, that's just code for including the template, not for building the template itself [02:09:48] well thanks for the effort, Sasoriza, anyway [02:25:38] well you have to use some intuition, see the parallel [02:53:40] hello, I have a question about image support in mediawiki? [02:55:22] is it possible, with or without some extension, to display .eps with thumbnails? [03:29:31] !diediedie [03:29:31] --mwbot-- You shouldn't do this, but since you asked: [03:47:53] i am new to mediawiki, how do only allow system users(created under mediawiki) to edit and view the wiki content??? [03:48:33] !access | metanil [03:48:33] --mwbot-- metanil: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [03:49:36] thanks, mwbot , Charitwo [04:02:10] good luck Werdna, i'll try to throw my 2 cents in sometime this week [04:34:50] ??? [04:35:37] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10random832) [04:40:55] +c [04:45:05] 03(NEW) Grouping references does not support DBCS characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14216 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (public.wiki) [04:52:49] 03brion * r35169 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleAntiSpam/SimpleAntiSpam.php: actually load the messages by using the right name :D [04:52:58] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10thedukeofwaltham) [04:53:05] only two files appear to be associated with cologneblue skin [04:53:05] i have, for both, duplicated them, renamed them, and edited them to reflect the name change [04:53:08] but when i use the "new" skin, without any other changes, it seems to have lost all its CSS [04:53:17] 03aaron * r35170 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: It helps if doc is accurate ;) [04:53:44] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10thedukeofwaltham) [04:57:28] skin trouble [04:57:39] anybody alive after last netsplit? [04:58:11] 190 members. >_> [04:58:56] i see only two files for cologneblue [04:59:10] i duplicated both, renamed them, and changed all references in them to the new name [04:59:19] the new skin appears to lack CSS [04:59:20] ? [04:59:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes might help a bit [05:00:37] um, my point being, if i did not make any other changes, why should the new skin not work exactly like the last? [05:00:49] i can think of several ways to go on a fishing expedition [05:01:42] By car, by van, by train, by airplane... [05:02:09] actually, my first thought was to search body text on my local copy of the mediawiki install for "cologneblue" [05:02:24] hoping somebody actually knew what the story was [05:07:35] 03brion * r35171 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleAntiSpam/SimpleAntiSpam.php: add some logging [05:07:39] wow, cologneblue goes back a ways [05:08:14] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=345 [05:08:45] splar, yes [05:08:51] and best imo [05:08:59] but i want to improve it a bit [05:09:08] do you understand what i've done wrong? [05:09:09] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=270 [05:09:44] nope, but I can imagine many things can go wrong cloning the non-template skins [05:10:11] okay i'm a dummy [05:10:18] i can't understand how anything can go wrong [05:10:31] two files, identical except for names [05:10:51] the second should perform identically with the first [05:11:00] steer me right, pls [05:17:56] 03brion * r35172 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleAntiSpam/SimpleAntiSpam.php: yes that does need to be getText, thanks to the string compare :D [05:21:13] can anyone point me in there direction on forcing mediawiki session data to be stored in mysql? [05:21:42] 03(mod) secure.wikimedia.org has interwiki links to insecure sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5440 +comment (10nospam) [05:22:05] i'd rather not force all session data to mysql through php5 config, just mediawiki [05:22:10] 03(NEW) Special: ListGroupRights does not specify rights for Account creators group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14217 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (meno25wiki) [05:28:46] 03(NEW) Serbian language variant links don' t work on the secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14218 minor; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (nospam) [05:30:10] Xiong: you may have to do a search-and-replace to match the new skin name [05:31:07] ah, you say you did that :/ [05:31:10] that was my thought -- s&r the entire folder [05:31:20] it's the blunt intrument approach [05:31:25] i was hoping for wisdom [05:31:59] the skinning system is a kludge [05:32:12] looks to me like a house of cards [05:32:44] just to confirm, you did duplicate skins/common/cologneblue.css too? [05:32:46] there should be exactly two files per skin [05:32:52] yep [05:33:11] there should be skin.php and skin.css only [05:33:28] and each of them possibly include others, which should be done right up top in each file [05:33:41] so, possibly a hierarchy of proto-skins [05:33:47] but nothing outside that [05:34:13] true enough [05:34:30] it doesn't help that we actually have two mostly redundant skin systems [05:35:04] yeh that's what i figured [05:35:07] 03(NEW) Not all revs updated if a user is self renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (meno25wiki) [05:35:25] and most custom efforts seem to be based off monobook, which i think is a horrible skin [05:35:43] or they are wizard creations /de novo/ [05:35:57] i just want a few tweaks to cologneblue [05:36:14] which i think is an outstanding skin [05:37:18] another question just to make sure: what are the permissions on the files you copied? [05:37:19] 03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 (10meno25wiki) [05:37:59] neither cologneblue.php nor colongneblue.css have the word "include" anywhere [05:38:13] which says to me that they bloody well shouldn't depend on anything else [05:38:55] 03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 (10meno25wiki) [05:39:23] what I meant was, if you type http://yourhostname/path/skins/common/yourskinname.css into your browser, do you get a screenload of CSS or a 403 error? [05:39:42] interesting question [05:39:43] brb [05:39:44] 03(mod) "File links" on the image pages should list links from other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1394 (10meno25wiki) [05:41:51] 03(FIXED) Record "new" pages on User contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4150 (10meno25wiki) [05:42:22] 03(mod) Not all revs updated if a user is self renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:43:58] how odd [05:44:06] neither [05:44:20] i get a wiki "no text in this page" page [05:45:20] ah [05:45:22] wrong path [05:45:35] that was the /wiki/ path i tried, not the /w/ path [05:45:44] 14(INVALID) Not all revs updated if a user is self renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:45:55] in the /w/ path, i get the same css file i uploaded via ftp, all good [05:46:37] 14(INVALID) Special: ListGroupRights does not specify rights for Account creators group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14217 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [05:47:32] /wiki and /w are usually articlepath and scriptpath, what about stylepath? [05:49:58] well [05:50:24] /w/ *is* the path to skins [05:50:32] tried an experiment [05:50:51] cologneblue does not have a skins subfolder of its own -- for whatever reason [05:51:04] i put the modified duplicates exactly where the originals were [05:51:17] experiment: created a new subfolder and put the CSS in there [05:51:24] no change, even after clearing cache [05:53:25] i don't see a localsettings line for stylepath [05:53:37] don't know why i'd need to add one [05:53:45] my basic argument is that cologneblue works [05:53:52] so a duplicate of cologneblue should work [05:56:14] 04(REOPENED) Not all revs updated if a user is self renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:56:21] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 (10meno25wiki) [05:56:29] 03(ASSIGNED) Not all revs updated if a user is self renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 (10JSchulz_4587) [06:18:32] 03(FIXED) #ifexist does not detect special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13640 +comment (10sco_scam) [06:19:02] 03aaron * r35173 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Use more descriptive title [06:20:00] 03(mod) Not all revs updated if a user is self renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 (10JSchulz_4587) [06:30:44] 03siebrand * r35174 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (21 files): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-22 08:23 CEST) [06:34:42] 03siebrand * r35175 10/trunk/extensions/ (62 files in 60 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-22 08:23 CEST) [06:35:57] skin.txt is almost totally useless docs [06:36:04] last updated version 1.3 [06:36:22] hello [06:36:40] i know, more recent docs [[Manual:Skins]] [06:36:51] but why even distribute the obsolete docs? [06:37:40] i'm getting this error http://rafb.net/p/ZshBDa36.html when uploading an image. Anyone know what the problem might be? [06:42:11] anyone? [06:45:03] Is your images directory writable? [06:45:16] can someone quickly clarify the usage of LGPL *images* in documents? [06:45:27] its 777 [06:45:47] every place only talks about LGPL code but i'm interested in finding out how it applies to MW commons images that are released under LGPL [06:46:26] i've had no problem uploading images for the past few days. This "error" showed up like 5 mins ago when i tried to upload an image. [06:46:58] What did you change in you config? [06:47:17] like... nothing... [06:49:51] there's also this http://rafb.net/p/RGXL1281.html [06:52:54] *tan is away: Gone away for now. [06:56:12] ! [06:56:15] well... chown -R apache.apache * did the trick [06:56:18] fixed the duplicate skins issue [06:56:33] turns out that when i did global replace oldname->newname [06:56:42] i got the Case Wrong in two places [06:56:51] man, how i despise case sensitivity! [06:57:11] which reminds me: anybody know how i can eliminate case sensitivity in page names? [06:58:09] probably easiest to normalize them to all uppercase or all lowercase (in the same way first letters are usually normalized to uppercase) [07:00:13] 03(mod) Edit summary doesn't allow links with character references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14140 (10ktc) [07:00:36] 03(mod) Add section links to Special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14150 (10ktc) [07:17:20] 03(NEW) $wgCheckFileExtensions doesn't seem to work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14220 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (florian.dufour) [07:51:24] <_wooz> lo [08:02:56] guys I am struggling to understand the page about namespace aliases: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceAliases [08:03:17] could somebody explain to me what I have to do to change put an alias on my primary namespace? [08:10:38] I need to refer to my primary namespace by it's id how do I find it's ID? [08:11:34] go to a page in the namespace and check the JS variable or class (ns-0 for example) [08:11:47] main (article) namespace is usually 0, or NS_MAIN iirc [08:12:38] oh [08:13:05] hmm.. how do I find those out? I need to refer to a non-main namespace for instance [08:14:49] well, do you need the variable ID, eg NS_MAIN, or the number, eg 0? [08:15:00] uhhm.. [08:15:05] 03(mod) [[#foo|]], [[/bar|]] should be equivalent to [[#foo|foo]], [[/ bar|bar]] (new use of "pipe trick") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845 (10fantasy) [08:15:31] either works, i am putting them in an aliases array, anyone will do [08:17:08] there are about a dozen places they are listed [08:17:26] search, preferences, recentchanges, probably several places in the source code [08:18:05] all the defaults are integers from -2 to 15, and custom namespaces usually start at 100 [08:18:43] oooh! i see, thanks Splarka!! [08:18:55] np [08:25:44] hi domas [08:25:58] hi! [08:26:30] domas: I have some interesting news about what we spoke last time - Some time for PMing? [08:26:58] busy [08:27:18] *Fire pokes domas. [08:30:16] Hi, while trying to render this code -

\begin{bmatrix} a \\ b \\ c \\ d \\ e \end{bmatrix}

- I get two small white stripes around the 'd' letter... is that a latex bug? [08:35:00] doesn't match http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/2/c/2/2c2e01dfabcdffb89982f08ba0f72509.png ? [08:36:01] 03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963 +comment (10waldir) [08:40:27] 03(mod) Activate Extension:Babel on nds.Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14207 -shell +need-review; +comment (10jeluf) [08:42:34] 03(FIXED) Disable local uploads at pt.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14193 +comment (10jeluf) [08:43:23] re:12963, why is it so important to *link* to these sites, instead of just provide a plaintext URI in proper context? [08:44:18] ^_^ Swweet... the bugs stopping me from working on WikiCode are gone [08:44:41] you mean... no more php? [08:45:21] Heh [08:45:57] 03(FIXED) Add import source tr.wiki to de.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14192 +comment (10jeluf) [08:46:24] ^_^ It's a oxymoron kinda... The WikiCode extension adds a number of code like parser functions... But the point has nothing to do with turning WikiText into a programming language... heh [08:48:37] hi, can i get "my watchlist" as newsfeed? [08:48:40] (rss) [08:50:11] hi guys, i have a template that appends "http://" to any link i give it in the form : "http://{{{1}}}", now this works fine for most things, but it doesnt like it when i put "?" and "=" for some reason, and doesnt parse the {{{1}}}, wut am I doing wrong. [08:51:01] anyone? [08:51:45] the = is a delimiter for template parameters [08:51:57] {{foo|bar=baz}} makes {{{bar}}} appear as baz [08:52:29] if you have an equals sign in a template parameter you want literal, you need to cover it or use another equals sooner [08:52:43] {{foo|1=url?foo=bar}} [08:53:01] without it, eg {{foo|url?foo=bar}}, you're actually defining a parameter named {{{url?foo}}} [08:53:14] 03(FIXED) Create "WikiSaurus" namespace for dewiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14175 +comment (10jeluf) [08:53:34] and leaving {{{1}}} undefined [08:55:08] aha [08:55:32] so ur saying if i do : 1=, it ll solve it, i ll try it now [08:56:57] 03(FIXED) Logo of Georgian Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14101 +comment (10jeluf) [09:02:36] 06(LATER) Please switch to Wiki.png at lo.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14085 +comment (10jeluf) [09:06:07] 03(FIXED) Allow non-autoconfirmed users to upload images in Hebrew Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14019 +comment (10jeluf) [09:08:48] 03catrope * r35176 10/trunk/extensions/RandomImage/RandomImage.class.php: (bug 14214) Randomimage tags do not render an image. Patch by Zven [09:09:45] 03(FIXED) Randomimage tags do not render an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14214 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:12:29] has there been any kind of talk about changing the mediawiki talk pages into thread-format? [09:12:42] piksi: I believe there's an extension for that [09:12:48] But it's not gonna happen in MediaWiki core [09:13:04] !e LiquidThreads [09:13:04] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads [09:13:52] RoanKattouw: exactly what i was looking for, thanks! :-) [09:16:44] meow [09:18:32] 03(FIXED) Closure of several Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13967 +comment (10jeluf) [09:19:27] :/ I hate my computer... If it wasn't so shitty I would have already been done what I'm trying to finish [09:19:58] 03(WONTFIX) Add redirect from otrs.wikimedia.org to live OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13976 +comment (10jeluf) [09:21:17] I've been trying to figure where all I have put a ssh public key... [09:23:33] Nikerabbit: ~/.ssh/id_?sa [09:23:50] Werdna: yeah but on which computers... [09:23:59] hehe [09:24:29] few dozens [09:27:25] 03(FIXED) Disable new page creation by anonymous users at wikimania2008 wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13962 +comment (10jeluf) [09:29:45] Anyone want to give input on syntax for a #foreach parser function? [09:30:36] 03(FIXED) Disable local uploads at io.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13957 +comment (10jeluf) [09:32:27] dan: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions [09:32:34] other than that one? [09:32:47] I know... but I don't like that extension's methods [09:32:47] I want to be contribute to mediawiki as a developer [09:32:51] how to start off [09:32:51] ? [09:32:57] Learn PHP? [09:33:13] spsneo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker [09:33:14] hello everyone [09:33:33] Splarka: I'm including various types of looping in WikiCode... but I'm trying to do it in a more intuitive way... [09:33:55] 03(FIXED) Restrict uploads on q:cs: to sysops only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13947 +comment (10jeluf) [09:33:59] Splarka: Oh ya... And I'm also making use of the new parser... So this will actually support nested parser functions ;) [09:34:06] can someone tell me where is the code that purges the cache of all pages that include a page? [09:34:24] iamumar: Err well that's in two places I think [09:34:56] Somewhere in Parser.php, after the page is parsed and the templatelinks table has been updated, there's code that schedules these updates into the job queue [09:35:09] And then there's code elsewhere that executes that job later [09:35:27] i know if page1 includes page2 includes page3 includes page4, and page4 has text in it, then if page4 changes, all are updated, i cant figure out where is the code that fetches all these recursively [09:35:28] What do you want to do, anyway? [09:35:47] are template changes only put into the job queue? isn't that more for images and categories? [09:36:00] I mean, if you edit the text of a boilerplate, it immediately updates, even if the job queue is a few million [09:36:01] i want to implement this functionality [09:36:06] iamumar: It's not really fetched recursively. If you look at the templatelinks table, page4 will be listed as including all three [09:36:23] Splarka: Well at least at my 1.12 wiki, that goes into the job queue [09:36:25] (conversely, the appearance of said page in a category doesn't update immediately) [09:37:00] oic... [09:37:24] Splarka: Oh wait you're right, it's the links update for those pages that's job queued [09:37:29] so, where is the code that fetches all these recursively and enters into the table [09:37:31] but a direct wikicode template change is viewable on the next page view (barring offsite caching) [09:37:39] yah [09:37:53] iamumar: Again, it doesn't fetch them recursively. Look at the templatelinks table for page4 and you'll see page1, page2 and page3 [09:38:21] exactly, but where is the code that inserts these records into the templatelinks table [09:38:35] I believe it's called LinksUpdate or something similar [09:38:38] Let me search [09:39:17] iamumar: includes/LinksUpdate.php should be the right one [09:40:20] 03(mod) Lithuanian Wiktionary nead Extension:VariablesExtension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13894 -shell +need-review; +comment (10jeluf) [09:41:10] 03(mod) Disable new page creation by anonymous users at wikimania2008 wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13962 (10meno25wiki) [09:43:38] RoanKattouw, i see in this code it is trying to do insertions, but how does it get the list of insertions that it needs to insert [09:43:47] *RoanKattouw looks [09:44:49] 03(FIXED) Setup new group @ hr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13939 +comment (10jeluf) [09:47:37] iamumar: The getLinkInsertions() and getLinkDeletions() functions I guess [09:47:54] iamumar: This is probably more comfortable to read: http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classLinksUpdate.html [09:48:06] Has links to the source, which in turn has links back to the documentation elements [09:49:53] this is wonderful! [09:50:21] and i have verified that actually page1 will have all of pages2-4 in its templatelinks [09:52:35] 03(FIXED) Create namespace redirection "WT" for dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14174 +comment (10jeluf) [09:53:28] 03(FIXED) Define WN: as an alias for Wikinews: on fr.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13946 +comment (10jeluf) [09:53:35] RaonKattouw, i am probably being stupid, but i still dont see the recursion that does this! [09:56:24] RoanKattouw, if a page is included in a million pages, and it changes, tehn is th caceh invalidation done on the eidt of the page, or it is really done in a deferred manner, using jobs and all? [09:56:57] iamumar: It's actually neither. The cache is invalidated, but the page isn't regenerated until it's viewed by someone [09:57:00] (at least that [09:57:04] 's what I *think( [09:57:12] Duesentrieb, here ? [09:57:13] It would be too expensive to re-parse millions of pages [09:57:59] so a million caches are invalidated at once, but those page contents will be genertaed only when they are viewed? [09:58:21] That's what I think happens. I don't know for sure, but I guess that's most likely [09:58:33] Hey wait I *do* know for sure xD [09:58:42] I saw that code being changed once [09:59:08] has someone somehow managed to limit the viewing of some part of recent change to selected users ? [09:59:30] Slashman: Aaron has written it already, but it can't be committed yet because it needs a schema change (sort of) [09:59:48] Some DB servers don't have the required index and some do, so we're kind of waiting for Brion to do an update [09:59:58] hm [10:00:14] Which is some trouble cause he has to take DB servers out of rotation and put them back in and all that [10:00:24] does it have anything to do with lockdown or Namespacerestiction ? [10:00:33] No, why would it? [10:01:03] Slashman: Also, I've written the API counterpart to this (bug 14200) [10:04:50] splarka: Btw... my #foreach is actually a bit more like a real foreach... [10:04:55] RoanKattouw, so u were telling me u know exactly what it was that happens [10:05:09] about deferment of cache updations etc [10:05:26] Well I *think* I know, I wouldn't bet my life on it but I'm pretty damn sure [10:05:29] dan: "But the point has nothing to do with turning WikiText into a programming language" "my #foreach is actually a bit more like a real foreach" [10:05:39] please explain ^_^ [10:06:03] Heh [10:06:09] that all cache updations happens at one entry point, so to speak [10:06:27] The LoopFunctions #foreach basically just goes 1, 2, 3, etc... [10:06:33] dan: also, you might consider calling it something else so as not to conflict with existing #foreach... [10:06:43] perhaps [10:06:51] iamumar: Well there are more points. I believe there's code somewhere else that checks for redirects and purges their Squid cache [10:06:55] I'm actually iterating over the parameters [10:07:00] Keep in mind that there are multiple layers of caching out there [10:07:11] It still does have a numeric restriction... but I might consider removing that [10:07:17] The (page,template,category)links tables 'cache' the link associations [10:07:17] dan: I mean explain how you can possibly say this isn't turning wikicode into wikiscript ^_^ [10:07:21] ie: personA, personB, personC [10:07:36] The parser cache caches the HTML version of the wikitext of a page [10:07:39] This is one of the many things.... [10:07:52] The real focus is things like the #splitandmerge [10:08:04] And then there's the Squid caches (optional, but Wikipedia has them) that caches the whole HTML document [10:08:19] The idea is not scriptability... It's making complex templates a little more human readable, and also lighter on the parser [10:08:57] thanks a lot, RaonKattouw for ur help! [10:09:07] Sure... a programmer knows what #explode means... Does a average user? Nope... But they will understand the concept of #split [10:11:50] It's also much more readable and less server intensive to use a #splitandmerge than it is to use twenty or so #explodes and a bunch of conditionals. [10:12:28] Sure, there are some script like things... But the overall idea is readability and less weight on the servers. [10:12:43] does a "DB25F to RJ45F adapter" have a DB25F or DB25M plug on it? [10:14:21] flyingparchment: in context, I would imagine that the RJ45F refers to what it's supposed to plug into. [10:14:47] well, i'm looking at the picture, and it clearly has an RJ45 socket (i.e. F) [10:14:48] actually, wait [10:14:54] yes, I just thought of that [10:14:57] but i can't see the DB25 side :) [10:15:00] I happen to have seen one before [10:15:15] i _assume_ it must mean it has a DB25F plug, but.. [10:15:18] flyingparchment: well, since there's an F on the other side, I would imagine that the DB25F also refers to what's on the plug [10:15:49] it could mean it converts an existing DB25F socket into an RJ45F socket - in which case it'd have RJ45F and DB25M [10:16:06] argh [10:19:04] sexing chickens is easier than sexing cables? [10:20:30] http://www.aim-ele.co.jp/product/adapter/images/44-2s.jpg [10:21:02] wow, you can see the bare wires, bow chicka wow wow [10:21:05] hmm [10:21:10] so it was backwards than the name would suggest [10:21:17] Splarka: thanks [10:21:18] well, that is a 25M [10:21:27] right, but it has a 25F socket on [10:21:38] hmm, I think it has an M [10:21:43] it is disassembled so it looks like an F [10:21:48] hmm [10:21:57] well, maybe [10:22:09] i think the bit at the front sticks out too far to be M... look at where the mounting screw is [10:22:10] actually, with the screws on that side.. that is an F isn't it [10:22:42] maybe it swings both ways [10:22:46] Splarka: This cable is so.. um.. OGC. [10:23:11] *zsh thinks this conversation is way too wierd, what wit all the screwing, mounting... [10:23:31] oh, lovely [10:23:40] http://www.networktechinc.com/images/db25f-rj45f.jpg http://www.networktechinc.com/images/db25m-rj45f-t.jpg [10:23:46] here is one of each [10:24:07] so it refers to what the adapter has, not what it attaches to, at least on those [10:24:13] argh [10:24:51] maybe i should ask the seller ;) [10:24:58] yah, I think that previous pic, that black plastic part pops in and the prongs stick through, making it M [10:25:15] it actually looks like they may have it turned backwards [10:26:22] well, why not get the DB25*DB25* adapter you need if you assume it is wrong [10:26:53] er, that is, a null modem [10:27:05] (unnulled) [10:27:15] damn, what are you doing you need a DB25 on? [10:27:24] old computers ;) [10:27:29] haha [10:27:37] need some DB9 too [10:27:46] *Splarka dusts one off and hands it to you [10:28:03] used to play Doom over this thing, on a 486-66 and 486-33 [10:29:05] well what i actually need is a cable with RJ45 on one end and DB25 on the other... but since they don't exist (as far as i can see) i'll use an ethernet patch cable and an adapter ;) [10:29:54] *Splarka symbolically links flying to /bin/loonie [10:30:13] lol [10:33:12] Splarka: it's for a 20-port terminal server - it has RJ45 instead of DB9 because 20 DB9 ports would take up rather a lot more space ;) [10:33:33] heh [10:33:45] ahhh, is that what you needed the serial switch for the other week? [10:34:14] serial switch? [10:35:14] http://www.datapro.net/images/2025.jpg [10:35:28] ah [10:35:44] yeah... but i found this on ebay for £10 ;) [10:35:52] *Splarka grins [10:36:05] Splarka: I ditched that plan... I think I have a set of better more intuitive ideas [10:36:27] G'day everyone [10:36:48] {{#dowhatIwant}} [10:37:15] We are creating a private wiki based on Mediawiki, and we need to write a style guide. What we mean by that is we need to tell users what a good article looks like, the formatting etc. [10:37:31] Do you know of a good, small style guide like that that we can copy and adapt for our needs? [10:38:13] The style we're talking about here is when to use bold or italics, and how to structure an article when you're creating it from scratch. [10:39:07]