[00:00:25] Which basically consists in that I don't know in which folder to copy it to. [00:00:47] whatever your public_html (root) directory is [00:01:17] I think I tried that one... [00:01:20] let me see again [00:01:58] hooray! thanks tekmosis [00:02:02] np [00:02:03] I tried the root for the wiki [00:02:14] and the root of the website the wiki is at [00:02:20] but not public_html :D [00:02:23] thank you very much [00:03:06] hello [00:04:31] how to delete a picture i needed to submit temporarly [00:04:32] ? [00:04:50] ..in wikis [00:06:52] Just go to the image directly, ie: http://yourdomain.com/wiki/index.php/Image::YourImage.jpg and in the file history under the 'current' click "delete all"; delete all should be fine in your case because you mentioned the image in question is a temp image [00:08:40] Hello, is there a special parameter that I can pass within the mediawiki url that will only show the content of the article in html? [00:11:01] I doubt it; I can't see any practical use for that feature to warrant the mediawiki team to include that. You may want to look for an extension that does it [00:11:06] eghjaytee: use action=render [00:12:17] oh wait I misread, my bad :P thought he was talking about showing the raw html code [00:13:56] tekmosis: lol [00:14:02] Skizzerz: thanks [00:27:19] is it possible that i dont have thte right to delete the image i uploaded? [00:34:46] hello [00:35:02] can someone help me transfer my wiki into a new hosting? [00:35:45] tough [00:35:53] and sorry, i don't have any experience with that [00:36:03] in theory, you should special:export [00:36:09] then special:import [00:36:10] done [00:36:41] 03(NEW) Only 14 search results, so don't offer "next 20" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14244 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (jidanni) [00:36:42] in practice, i've heard you may need to run maintenance script to rebuild the links [00:41:48] THanks Xiong [00:42:56] sorry i wasn't more help [00:43:01] let me know how it goes [00:43:03] Xiong that will talk too long, I need to transfer ALL my pages [00:43:11] i too have wikis i want to move [00:43:13] that lets me do it one page at a time [00:43:18] ahh isee [00:43:20] ? [00:43:41] right now i'm simply exporting the database and importing it [00:43:48] 03(NEW) Bot flag not shown on RC IRC posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14245 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (danny_b) [00:43:53] but the php_myadmin versions are not the same [00:45:16] i don't think php admin has anything to do with it [00:45:58] well, the db is where all the data is stored [00:46:09] so php_myadmin HAS to have something to do with it [00:46:13] no [00:46:26] php admin is just a tool for managing stuff [00:46:36] like a window into your hosting account [00:48:51] i know [00:48:57] but it leads to ur sql database [00:49:01] where all the stuff is stored [00:49:17] yes, but i don't see why the version of the tool means much [00:49:20] so long as it works [00:49:36] it shouldn't affect the format of what you're moving with it [00:50:29] in any case, this has nothing to do with [[Special:Export]] [00:51:27] oops [00:54:16] ah, maybe you're right [00:54:23] forget special export [00:54:33] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3AMoving_a_wiki [01:04:46] 03danny_b * r35270 10/trunk/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php: [01:04:46] * Bug 14245 - Bot flag not shown on RC IRC posts [01:04:46] * switching the M & N flags order [01:05:28] Hey... I saw an extension or a hook once that, when you use an image on a category page, it doesn't show up as a wanted image. Anyone know what I'm talking about? [01:05:49] 03(FIXED) Bot flag not shown on RC IRC posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14245 +comment (10danny_b) [01:10:45] No? No one? [01:14:24] Sasoriza: and it shows how then? [01:21:47] Danny_B, AFAIK, it should simply not appear on wanted images [01:22:45] ah, i don't know then. just wait maybe somebody else will pop up and answer your question [01:23:18] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10royalguard11) [01:24:10] On a time limit, alas [01:27:31] 03(mod) Pages can be protected to levels you aren't in, and can be deleted without having the edit right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14241 (10skizzerz) [01:31:30] Sasoriza: sorry, can't remember anything of the sort. did you browse the extension matrix? [01:33:22] Skizzerz: Yeah, cursorily... I'll have to look deeper later [01:33:34] I know it's there somewhere [01:33:37] ooh, a kloeri :P [01:45:27] 03(mod) Don't show pagination where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14244 summary (10danny_b) [01:49:41] ge;;p [01:49:45] Mcbribe? [01:49:49] http://jefton.freehostia.com/ [01:49:59] any help? i just transfered my wiki [01:59:05] yo [01:59:10] did it go okay? [02:06:29] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10thedukeofwaltham) [02:08:14] xiong i can do it [02:45:16] 03(FIXED) Bot flags automatically although previous version is unflagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14196 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [03:15:55] 03(mod) Edit attempt which forces login, does not retain current page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13847 +comment (10latimer) [03:23:58] How can I remove the search and toolbox from the sidebar? [03:25:20] My site would find the search ineffective, as most of the pages will be the same page, modified dynamically. [03:25:47] the normal search would just confuse people, but I cannot figure out how to remove it. [03:26:17] And I just dont want there to be a toolbox for nonsysops. [03:31:32] does anyone know? [03:41:59] hi, anyone can help me? I'll install an extension in my wiki site. but i got this message: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING in /home/.shah/c4h_nd3s1t/yogyafree/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 125 [03:42:26] anyone know what the problem is? [03:46:33] adisini > have you altered the file recently? [03:48:34] if so, look for things like an unclosed " or ', as well as unescaped 's or "s within the strings. [03:48:44] yes [03:49:09] essentially, somewhere near that line, you probably forgot to balance something. [03:49:39] hm.. ok. i'l try to find that [03:50:25] it might help to open the file in a text reader that can parse php or an IDE [03:50:36] e.g., kate [03:51:16] ok [03:51:19] and in the future, try not to connect to IRC using your root account. [03:51:24] :P [03:51:26] 03shinjiman * r35271 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [03:55:44] slakr: i'm sorry. i'm using backtrack live cd and see root is the default account here :D [03:55:54] ah gotcha :) [03:56:17] *slakr loves backtrack [03:56:27] though I seem to use knoppix more when doing repair stuff [03:57:06] slakr: i found my problem. just my stupidty mistake. $wgDefaultSkin = modern'; i'm miss a ' symbol :D thanks for help me [03:57:13] et voila [03:57:15] cheers =) [03:58:46] i'll diving into the my wiki site again. c u later my friend :) [04:02:22] here comes a bit commit [04:02:44] 03werdna * r35272 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) [04:02:44] Globalblocking updates: [04:02:44] * Support range-blocking. [04:02:44] * Use split-off formatExpiry and parseExpiryInput functions. [04:02:44] * Deprecate GlobalBlocking::buildForm. [04:02:46] * Display wiki name, not DB name if centralauth is installed. [04:02:48] * Link to blocker's user page if centralauth is installed. [04:04:20] slakr: may u help me again? [04:06:36] if I install an extensions ex. categorytree, did i must write all of parameters ? [04:10:20] 04(REOPENED) Edit attempt which forces login, does not retain current page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13847 +comment (10latimer) [04:26:09] Does anyone know how to disable the notifications on wikipedia articles? I don't them displayed. Messages like clean up required, etc... [04:40:08] 03(mod) Edit attempt which forces login, does not retain current page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13847 (10latimer) [05:18:01] 03(mod) Mod of Uploading Interface to encourage copyright compliance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12452 (10nakonwiki) [05:44:04] 03aaron * r35273 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Return out if $result set to false by some other hooked call [05:53:59] 03(mod) Excessive block expiry times cause problems on Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14088 +comment (10charitwo) [05:54:35] mediawiki [05:55:20] !ask | thalor [05:55:20] --mwbot-- thalor: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [05:55:51] okay [05:56:23] how to edit /wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page to be /wiki/index.php/Main_Page ? [05:56:50] mediawiki [05:57:05] !shorturl [05:57:05] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [05:57:19] o_O [05:57:22] was that necessary? [05:57:35] ok, thx [05:57:40] I believe so, it is the same guy that comes in and says it repeatedly [05:57:46] and then insults people who tell him to stop [05:57:53] O_o splarka has Ops? [05:58:05] oh, its late.. i thought thalor was asking the shorturl question [05:58:15] lol, charitwo [05:58:25] I was multitasking ^_^ [05:58:41] Got KVIrc... You could have my /hammer and /backstab >.< [05:59:06] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 +comment (10dan.gorski) [06:00:10] btw, there are at least 3 other bans for him active [06:00:27] #mediawiki *!*@77-56-93-51.dclient.hispeed.ch set by flyingparchment!n=river@clematis.knams.wikimedia.org (Tue May 06 03:06:08) [06:00:29] #mediawiki *!*@217-162-110-20.dclient.hispeed.ch set by flyingparchment!n=river@clematis.knams.wikimedia.org (Thu May 08 09:18:34) [06:00:35] #mediawiki *!*@77-56-88-1.dclient.hispeed.ch set by flyingparchment!n=river@clematis.knams.wikimedia.org (Thu May 15 07:52:46) [06:00:46] i see river did a session ban [06:01:11] damn [06:01:23] I could have had an intelligent conversation with him [06:01:40] *Fire know domas would say that. [06:01:41] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080506.txt [06:01:42] Damnit. [06:01:43] methinks its best not to feed trolls, you'll only encourage them to come back [06:01:47] [09:47:29] mediawiki [06:01:50] [09:47:48] mediawiki [06:01:54] (etc) [06:01:57] Splarka: I believe you :) [06:01:58] heh [06:02:02] Charitwo: I love to feed my buddies! [06:02:02] Ack, that ass [06:02:06] if that user isn't banned repeatedly, they just spam it endlessly [06:02:25] :( [06:02:32] Last time I saw him, it was when there was no Op active... T_T [06:02:33] Hmm. From Swiss. [06:02:33] why do you want to destroy my possibly intelligent communication [06:02:45] ^_^ You can always PM him [06:02:47] You can always PM him, [06:02:48] LOL [06:02:51] rotfl [06:02:51] poor domas [06:02:52] Splarka: was the n= the same every time? probably easier to ban the ident [06:02:59] no [06:03:08] hmm, about 1/3 of possible .de sighters are sighters [06:03:44] obviously with a dynamic IP those are useless [06:03:52] *AaronSchulz needs a fast op script [06:04:05] bah [06:04:05] Do you have KVIrc? [06:04:09] you guys are too stressed [06:04:11] make an alias for /cs op #mediawiki [06:04:14] Aaron: Yeah, got a common action to give them now, as 200 edits isn't too hard to get and it's the only requirement. [06:04:31] domas, Aaron, is there a way to get a feed from a specific wiki? [06:04:42] feed? [06:04:47] 03(mod) No images show up on wikimedia sites (accessing from Dubai) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14233 (10lemuelf) [06:04:50] IRC feed? irc.wikimedia.org [06:04:56] /list will show you [06:04:57] Lets say I make up a server and get a dump [06:05:10] And I want the dump to be as actual as possible [06:05:22] oh, there's live update feed [06:05:34] you can pay for it! :) [06:05:51] I am making up an inofficial small ts [06:06:09] Fire: opps, I queried 400 [06:06:14] Would be nice to get changements ad-hoc. [06:06:21] AaronSchulz: I've got a script which ops me, constructs a ban knowledgeable of whether the user is on a gateway or a client, removes them, and then returns me to being deopped...... And you only need to feed it a username... My last update made it work on multiple users at the same time, and I even have a button integrated into the UI ;) I also have /backstab which works after a user has left the [06:06:27] Want it? [06:06:35] so it's 1/5 that are promoted [06:06:55] Dantman|FS: works with CZ? [06:06:56] Dan: soon you'll have them lined up for zyclon-B dosages [06:07:07] ... [06:07:08] you should really keep it manual, hands on, so you don't turn into a cold monster [06:07:16] No way... CZ has no-where near the scriptability [06:07:20] I made it for KVIrc [06:07:25] ah well [06:07:29] *AaronSchulz is a CZ stickler [06:07:33] Though, I used to have plans for a HammerBot... [06:07:36] domas: I'd possibly pay for it if it wouldn't be something what's in favour of the community [06:07:53] I wonder what 10000 sighters will be like [06:08:03] if you have others do your dirty work, you lose the conscience that lets you do your job [06:08:04] *Dantman|FS OPs and Deops himself using /o [06:08:44] I use /op, but I had the /mode +b ready as soon as the user joined and I saw the .ch [06:08:48] but I let them spam twice to make sure [06:08:49] Damnit... I just realized that |FS got integrated into my name [06:09:56] AaronShulz: Want to poke me into getting back to my python bot code and constructing HammerBot? [06:10:25] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10dan.gorski) [06:11:47] Dantman: moO? [06:12:31] ok, 6500 active users [06:12:36] with 200 edits [06:14:55] AaronSchulz: Essencially it's a bot usable by ops on a given channel which would have commands similar to mine... !hammer, !backstab, !op, etc... [06:15:03] so I guess it is about 1/3 ;) [06:15:13] Dantman: i don't think thats necessary here [06:15:41] Dantman: does it have !suicide ? [06:16:05] heh... perhaps... But considering the context... the commander will be the kickee [06:16:18] you're still talking chanop politics? [06:16:19] hhaha [06:16:27] ^_^ Everyone thinks it's unecessary... And then a pest comes in, and "We wish we had an easy way to remove that user" [06:16:38] domas: I like that history pager hook [06:16:42] i think splarka handled it relatively easily [06:16:45] works nice with the $join_conds stuff too [06:17:05] Yup, but not everywhere, not all the time... [06:17:27] #wikia has had some particularly troublesome ones [06:19:29] well, i'm off to bed, night guys [06:26:50] mediawiki [06:29:07] huh [06:29:08] May 24 06:19:21 srv189 apache2[16578]: PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 83886080 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 93 bytes) in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/Hooks.php on line 35 [06:29:14] mediawiki [06:29:26] lol [06:29:48] nobody looks at error logs :( [06:29:59] May 24 05:49:38 srv189 apache2[9580]: PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/SpecialMovepage.php on line 357 [06:30:23] mediawiki [06:42:09] How to remove notices displayed in wikipedia articles? Notices like "requires clean up" etc.. [06:42:39] they are usually templates at the top of the contents (in the edit box they look like {{templatename}} with double braces) [06:44:01] 03rotem * r35274 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update. [06:44:07] oh [06:44:13] it is so easy to make binary schema out of our 4.0 varchars [06:44:21] just specify binary charset for database [06:44:21] ;-) [06:45:29] Splarka, I am running a replica of wikipedia locally and I don't want the notices to appear in the articles [06:45:52] Splarka, editing the articles is not a solution here. Is there any other way? [06:46:20] well, en.wp is a bit anal about them, so most of them probably have CSS classes you can display:none; [06:46:42] view the page sources, look for classes in the appropriate divs and tables [06:48:47] is there any flag or any place in the code that I can change? [06:49:40] no, they are part of the source of the pages [06:49:50] but they should have CSS classes you can disable them with [06:52:23] how can I identify the css classes used for these? [06:52:46] I am afraid, the css classes might also be used for displaying other text [06:53:25] 03(mod) No images show up on wikimedia sites (accessing from Dubai) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14233 +comment (10mohamed.m.k) [06:53:52] can you give an example of a page with notices you wish to hide? [06:54:58] sure in a minute [06:58:41] Splarka, all the notices on wikipedia seem to have class ambox [06:59:27] but I am using march's dump so the articles may have been corrected later [06:59:51] or even it could be the version of the mediawiki I am using.. it's a little older than what wikipedia uses currently [07:00:01] I am using 1.11.0 [07:00:25] right, so add .ambox { display: none; } to your sitewide CSS [07:00:34] MediaWiki:Common.css (if you have an editable wiki) [07:00:40] any idea if the templates were changed to use css class ambox or was the code changed to render the notices with css class ambox? [07:00:56] probably speak: none; too [07:01:09] the templates were changed to add that [07:01:15] so it isn't going to be 100% effective [07:01:28] human error and such ^_^ [07:01:35] oh... I am using march's dump and it doesn't seem to have these changes [07:01:59] hmmm [07:02:05] not all the notices are having css class ambox on my local wiki [07:02:22] well, look for the boxes in your dump and look for any classes it does have that you can use [07:02:24] the only dump that was complete was the march's one [07:02:31] you probably will have to keep adding classes as you go [07:02:40] depending on what types of notices you want to hide [07:03:00] but I am afraid I might hide other sections too if they are using the same class.. [07:03:34] hmm, well, they should use at least some classes that are somewhat intutive and probably won't be duplicated [07:03:52] things like "wikitable" are used for content, but things like "ambox" are just for notices [07:04:20] what's metadata class used for mostly? [07:04:24] any idea? [07:04:41] metadata and messagebox are the ones I have identified so far [07:05:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes has some info that might help [07:07:06] thanks [07:07:16] "metadata" == Used to mark metadata that should not be printed [07:07:34] etc [07:10:02] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10thedukeofwaltham) [07:19:32] *Splarka offers tim an IRC anchor [07:19:50] Eh? Anchor program? [07:20:19] Like my IRC relay idea? [07:20:33] symbolic [07:20:38] heh, ok [07:20:53] your idea? you mean the one that's been around 10 years or so? [07:21:17] connect via virtual client that lets you remain connected and logs if you aren't? [07:21:58] Heh, basically.... Perhaps with a little extra inteligence on dealing with away states [07:24:09] well, away nicks IMHO are a bit annoying, especially since IRC supports /away states [07:26:17] (some of the names I've heard used are irc gateway, irc virtual client, persistent irc client, irc bouncer, irc relay clinet, irc bot client, etc) [07:26:26] ^spelling [07:26:47] Unfortunately noone actually checks [07:27:07] And unless you use a nick, no one gets it that you are away [07:27:38] were once common on efnet (among ircops and such) to protect people's IPs from port-based attacks and other fun stuff, too. and to resolve around splits and whatnot [07:27:38] I was restarting my computer a few times because I was fixing the sound on my laptop [07:27:56] Perhaps something like a time sensitive personal notification when people use the nickname in the common forms [07:28:06] it broke when I upgraded from ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 [07:28:40] Werdna does that, his client shoots a /notice if you say his name when away [07:28:47] like that: -Werdna- I'm sorry, but I'm away (Detached and not here. If you want me, hilight me and I'll look at it when I get back) [07:28:49] it sounded loud and heavily clipped [07:29:06] I thought it would be some arcane problem with driver conflicts or module parameters or something [07:29:07] Well... a little less ugly than that... emphasis on time sensitive [07:29:20] but it turned out that ubuntu had set the PCI channel volume to 635% [07:29:29] heh [07:29:29] *Splarka snickers [07:29:36] all I had to do to fix it was turn it down to 100% [07:31:28] Perhaps you should turn it down to 15% next time you upgrade ;) [07:31:36] might work [07:31:41] heh [07:37:29] On my local mirror of wikipedia, I don't have any images [07:37:48] How do I show placeholder images in their place? [07:38:12] Is there any way mediawiki allows to show placeholder images when the real images are missing? [07:54:12] Good morning. [07:56:48] 04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 (10alefzet) [07:58:07] 03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10alefzet) [08:04:13] what are these called: {1}, {{2}}, {{{3}}}... i think 1 is a positional parameter, correct? [08:05:58] positional parameter? [08:06:25] {{}} are template calls (transclusions, but also parserfunctions, magicwords) [08:06:33] {{{}}} are template arguments [08:06:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preprocessor_ABNF#Ideal_precedence [08:07:04] {} aren't part of the main parser hierarchy, but are used in some things... um... [08:07:12] DPL maybe? can't remember [08:07:38] guess i'll focus on 2 and 3 for now :) thanks [08:08:06] ambiguity resolves to template arguments first if the braces match [08:08:29] {{{{#if:1|foo}} }} would call [[Template:Foo]] [08:08:58] {{{{#if:1|foo}}}} would generate {foo} (templte argument titled "#if:1" with fallback to "foo" and extra pair of braces) [08:10:00] i see [08:10:38] not all that intuitive at first imo [08:12:11] blame... the guy who just quit! [08:12:21] lol [08:26:58] <_wooz> lo [08:32:30] 03(mod) Edit attempt which forces login, does not retain current page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13847 (10roan.kattouw) [08:32:55] 03leon * r35275 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_arab.php MessagesKk_cyrl.php MessagesKk_latn.php): (bug 12145) Kazakh localisation updates, modified patch 4921 by AlefZet [08:33:15] 03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10leon) [08:38:33] 03(mod) API allows editing with GET requests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14243 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [08:39:43] 14(INVALID) Don't show pagination where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14244 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [08:52:01] 03(mod) Don't show pagination where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14244 +comment (10leon) [08:53:09] Hey rainman-sr [08:53:18] hi [08:53:28] How are you? [08:53:51] not very good, i have fever and haven't slept much :) you managed to rebuld the index? [08:54:07] yes I did. It took 13hrs in total. [08:54:17] rainman-sr: did you test sparky perf? [08:54:32] oh... why don't you get some sleep then? [08:54:55] domas, yes, we came to conclusion that lucene does why too much io calls, that boggles down performance [08:55:26] rainman-sr: did you try some memory-only dataset? [08:55:31] sknh, no, i'll probable take a walk, cannot be inside anymore [08:55:34] rainman-sr: that wouldn't have to hit i/o too much? [08:55:48] benchmarking cpu performance for lucene is interesting [08:55:59] domas, aye, but that then synchronizes within lucene [08:56:22] since lucene makers weren't very careful with synchronization and multi-processor issues [08:56:29] ah [08:56:33] ghm [08:56:48] you can load the whole index into a memory-driven ramdirectory and then use it like that [08:56:57] mhm [08:56:58] but it synchronizes around various calls and caches [08:57:02] I just made titlematch work for lucene search extension [08:57:36] rainman-sr: can you write down these notes to https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Sparky please? [08:57:52] rainman-sr: even better if with timings [08:58:22] rainman-sr, how did you choose this user name? Any background story? (sparky) [08:58:44] domas, aye, i'll put jstack/truss profiles, but when i get my body temperature to be normal again :) [08:58:50] rainman-sr: ah, sure, thanks [08:59:14] sknh, oh great. you coded it so it rewrites queries to title field only? [08:59:24] rainman-sr, right [08:59:44] Fire, i didnt choose sparky, afaik it's flyingparchment idea [08:59:50] server name* damn. My fevver's bad too. [08:59:57] I wanted better search results [09:00:05] fever. I am making typo after typo. [09:00:10] Fire: because it is goddamn sparc server [09:00:11] If no title match is found then only a full text search will be done [09:00:23] getting better results with this [09:00:35] domas: goddamn good point. [09:03:13] sknh, changing the title_boost param to a higher value would prolly give you similar results [09:07:41] Hm.. [09:08:33] If I was going to make those paging links like "Previous page" on special pages be greyed out in case there's no previous page... [09:08:53] ...and I'd therefore wrap them in a ... [09:09:14] would I do that in IndexPager::makeLink? [09:09:40] rainman-sr, I tried that [09:10:08] but that didn't help much [09:10:49] do you have any idea about how the ranking actually works? [09:11:46] number of occurences of the search term * boost will be added to the rank? [09:12:17] | 2843310639 | wikiuser | 10.0.2.140:34190 | enwiki | Query | 18338 | Copying to tmp table |SELECT /* BotQueryProcessor::genPageBackLinksHelper_bl 59.167.52.36 */ pl_from from_id,page_namespace from_namespace,page_title from_title,pl_namespace to_namespace,pl_title to_title FROM `pagelinks`,`page` WHERE (pl_from = page_id) AND page_namespace = '0' AND ((pl_namespace=0 AND pl_tit [09:12:17] le='Wayne_Gretzky')) AND ((pl_namespace > 0 OR (pl_namespace = 0 AND (pl_title > 'Wayne_Gretzky' OR (pl_title = 'Wayne_Gretzky' AND pl_from >= 3326085))))) ORDER BY pl_namespace, pl_title, pl_from LIMIT 501 | [09:12:18] riiiight [09:12:20] more the number of occurences of a word in the text increases its chances to be ranked high? [09:13:01] 03(NEW) Permission error message for editing MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lejonel) [09:31:18] is there a css file for adding stuff for all skins? [09:31:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes [09:32:01] common/shared.css is in them all, now [09:32:09] ah, shared.css [09:32:23] I was expecting a common/common.css or so. [09:32:25] tx [09:33:49] 03grondin * r35276 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [09:33:49] *Adding internationalization file for PSINoTocNum Extension [09:33:49] *Adding PSINoTocNum Extension for Translate module. [09:34:18] sknh, (was afk): http://tinyurl.com/5x7u2c this is basic lucene [09:36:21] apart from that you can tune title_boost (and others) in wikiqueryparser that will put more weight on hits from titles [09:37:23] I will try that and compare the results [09:37:57] 03leon * r35277 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Pager.php skins/common/shared.css): Paging links on special pages now have CSS classes and are greyed out by default when disabled. Somehow related to bug 14244. [09:38:12] I don't think anyone minds that change. [09:40:03] 03leon * r35278 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Arg, of course I forgot that again. [09:42:49] sknh, you can also get score explanations, which is useful for debugging, e.g. visit url http://your_server:8123/explain/your_db/your_query [09:43:53] rainman-sr, yes, I have tried that [09:48:12] the problem is, documents with high occurences of a search term usually come up in the search results [09:48:24] tuning title_boost may not always help [10:02:26] sknh, agreed, it depends on what you want... i would say that it's a better search result if you get a page with many occurances of the term first, instead of an obscure article that has only a title match.. but depends on your wiki content and usage, etc.. [10:04:00] Suppose I am searching for Apple... [10:04:24] and further suppose the article with that title is short [10:05:03] I would prefer the article to be the first result and the other articles (may be with many occurances) to follow [10:05:31] it may happen that there are articles with less content but they need to show up [10:05:39] agreed, exact matches should be first, i've fixed that in 2.1 [10:05:49] also matches with out-of-order words [10:05:54] in case of improper tuning, these articles never show up in the search results [10:06:13] e.g. france history should match as a first hit history of france [10:06:32] *Duesentrieb thinks on-page term frequency should be irrelevant. title and link-text and number of incomming links is much more indicative of a page's relvance. [10:06:52] Duesentrieb, you're completely right [10:07:23] \o/ [10:07:39] but number of incoming links is typically small for most articles, and, it applies only on a title match [10:07:44] right that's what I was trying to explain [10:07:56] i can cite the relevant papers, too :P [10:08:01] e.g. 2008 has a large number of inlinks, but it is not at all relevant [10:08:13] to any query but to that contains explicitely 2008 in it [10:08:17] maybe even not for that [10:08:46] e.g. eurovision 2008 shouldn't get you 2008 as first hit, even though 2008 has a much higer rank than eurovision, etc.. [10:08:52] i'm not talking of node degree. i'm talking of the number on in-links that contain the search term. [10:08:59] in the link text (implicit or explicit=) [10:09:28] Duesentrieb, that's just the title or redirect in 95% of cases [10:09:35] eurovision 2008 should be matches in two ways: "eurovision 2008" first, and then eurovision AND 2008 [10:10:15] rainman-sr: but the occurance count is important. which "name" is used for which page how often? [10:10:27] this gives you a good ranking on which "meaning" is most relevant for which term.# [10:10:32] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rainman/search_internals <- Duesentrieb you might want to read this [10:11:01] rainman-sr: i will, after turning in my thesis :) only a couple of days to go. [10:11:04] Duesentrieb, yes, in 95% that's just the rank of title or redirect, i.e. number of whatlinkshere [10:11:47] uh, number of what links here UNDER WHICH NAME. Search is a disambiguation problem, mostly. [10:12:28] rainman-sr: have you seen this? http://www.cs.unt.edu/~rada/papers/mihalcea.naacl07.pdf [10:14:43] hi Jack_Phoenix [10:15:00] heya Fire [10:15:09] hi Jack_Phoenix \o [10:15:19] rar str4nd o/ [10:15:23] Jack_Phoenix: Haluatko kääntää ”vähän” tekstiä? :o [10:15:32] Duesentrieb, no, let me read it [10:15:37] paljonkohan on "vähän"? ;-) [10:15:43] [[meta:Board elections/2008/Candidates/fi]] :-) [10:15:54] 13 ehdokasta jäljellä [10:16:00] rainman-sr: it's not revolutionary, but interesting. not search-centric, but applicable to the problem. [10:16:04] hehe, täytyy katsoa ;-> [10:16:28] Duesentrieb, will your thesis have an english version of some kind of online demo or such? [10:16:34] Jack_Phoenix: oho, cimon kääntänyt enemmänki, alle 13 siis nyt [10:16:35] ranking relevant articles is very much like choosing an appropriate meaning in disambiguation [10:16:52] in the context of wikipedia, its actually the same thing, since each page correspondes to a concept/meaning [10:16:54] \o/ [10:17:29] rainman-sr: i'm planning to write a paper english when i'm finished. i also would like a web interface, but i'm not sure if/when i get around to that. [10:18:02] anyway, need to get back to finishing it up. [10:18:07] so much to do, so little time :) [10:20:21] 03(NEW) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with id or class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Wiki.Melancholie) [10:23:09] rainman-sr: oh, by the way: redirects and titles do nto cover disambuguated titles like Foo_(Bar). Knowing how often "Foo" is used to refer to "Foo_(Bar)" and opposed to "Foo_(Quux)" would be very nice for a search engline, right? Which is pretty much what I'm all about. [10:23:39] also applies to Foo,_Bar vs. The Foo, etc [10:24:58] NICE: http://i29.tinypic.com/316kxhd.jpg [10:26:39] Duesentrieb, yes, that would help.. i experimented a bit with that, but came to conclusion that the differences are quite small.. but i prolly wasn't as consistent and detailed as you in my attempt, so i would be interested in seeing your results, any real-life example? [10:26:55] 03(mod) Permission error message for editing MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 +comment (10crochet.david) [10:27:41] rainman-sr: only a few stats -- and i' builing a thesaurus, not a search engline. closely related, but far from the same thing :) i'm currently fighting tex to render my results... [10:28:01] let's chat about this in a couple of days, I'm going to be a bit more relaxed, i hope. [10:28:09] absolute deadline is friday. [10:28:24] i'm planning to print this baby on monday. though it doesn't look like this is gonna happen. [10:28:49] heh, well good luck with that :) [10:29:00] rainman-sr: maybe i can get anonline demo up in a bit. but then,. maybe not :) [10:29:08] thanks :) [10:43:17] rainman-sr: of all the labels i extracted for pages are 32% only covered by link-text (other sources include title, redirects, disambiguation pages, sort-keys and displaytitle). This includes differences in capitalization, though. [10:43:39] i don't have case-insensitive numbers handy. [10:44:55] i wonder how frequently piped links are used [10:44:57] of the terms that come only from links text, each is used 4.7 times on average to refer a specific page. [10:45:39] piped links, linktrail, and differences because of first-letter capitalization is what generates the "link-text only" stuff in my db [10:46:42] aha ok.. that's actually much larger than i anticipated, i would have think the number is around 5-10% [10:46:47] pages are called 7.3 times by thier "true" name on average. without any normalization. [10:47:17] well, if you disregard " " vs "_" and capitalization, the figure is going to drop [10:47:29] would be worht investigation by how much :) [10:47:36] indeed :) [10:47:59] hm, let me get the numbers for dewiki [10:48:12] there, cap-differences are less common, because nouns are capitalized in text too [10:48:18] (and most titles are nouns) [10:48:35] (damn, i shouldn't be doing this right now. but it's fun...) [10:49:17] huh, the figure is much *higher* for de. 46% linkt-text only. [10:49:28] i wonder why. maybe because en uses a lot more redirects. [10:49:53] and de has cases, right? [10:50:15] hm? case-sensitive titles? no. [10:50:24] i don't think eny 'pedia does [10:51:05] i mean gramatical cases, nominativ, akuzativ, dativ, lokativ? [10:51:15] yea,sure [10:51:16] *rainman-sr tries to remember his german from highschool [10:51:24] hm... yes, true, that's gonna raise the figure significantly [10:51:58] actually, i even have stats about that [10:53:15] yes, labels differing in case from the page title are about twice as common in de as in en. [10:53:36] the figure isn't so high though. below 10%. [10:58:50] so, around in about 25% of links anchor text is different from link target on en? [10:59:39] 32% in my figure is different AND does not correspond to any redirect, disambiguation page, sort-key or display title associated with that page. [11:00:02] but "different" is case sensitive [11:00:48] hm... wait... that percentage doesn't count the number of links [11:01:00] it's the percentage of lable-page pairs with that property. [11:01:09] i have to scale by frequency to get the number of links [11:01:11] hold on [11:02:48] rainman-sr: ok, for the actual link count, it's ~23% [11:03:32] i see [11:06:11] *rainman-sr tests that on a random wiki page [11:06:22] 2.7% of these are wrong, by the way [11:06:53] (to be taken with a grain of salt. it's from a smallish sample, evaluation that by hand takes forever) [11:07:14] the 2.7, thatis. the 23% is from all data [11:07:15] on a random page: 11/65 = 0.169 [11:07:31] ~17% [11:07:35] close enough to 23 :) [11:07:43] yes, indeed :) [11:29:17] hi, i'm a user in the united arab emirates and i'm having issues loading ALL images from wikipedia/wikimedia [11:29:29] I get an error for every single image that is generated by wikimedia.org [11:30:30] "Request: GET http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/VHS_cassette_with_ruler.jpg, from 86.x.x.x via knsq1.knams.wikimedia.org (squid/2.6.STABLE18) to () [11:30:31] Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED, errno [No Error] at Sat, 24 May 2008 11:30:14 GMT " [11:34:17] sam_: maybe some sort of leech protection got triggered. All/most of the net traffic of the Emirates is going trough a single IP, right? [11:34:22] sam_: anyway, you schould asl on [11:34:38] err, on #wikimedia-tech which is the channel for wikimedia server issues [11:34:47] #mediawiki is about, well, MediaWiki :) [11:37:32] ahh [11:37:32] thanks [11:59:28] Hi all [12:00:07] mediawiki [12:00:38] mediawiki [12:02:01] indeed. [12:06:44] 03(NEW) Still able to create accounts on projects with a SUL-account-names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14248 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (willemo) [12:11:10] I have a {{ #ifeq: ... on one of my templates, how come the "{{ #ifeq:..." is being shown on my page? [12:11:28] !parserfunctions | Mohero [12:11:28] --mwbot-- Mohero: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [12:16:08] 03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 (10Andrew) [12:32:03] 03(FIXED) Show a message after rollback has completed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1893 (10meno25wiki) [12:50:56] hello [12:52:35] i have a problem with the foo and tag. they are not parsed :| [12:53:13] is there a $wg* config option? [12:54:11] !cite | joerg [12:54:11] --mwbot-- joerg: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite [12:54:36] thx [12:55:19] 03shinjiman * r35279 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables [12:59:44] rainman-sr works now :) [13:00:05] yay :) [13:08:06] 03(FIXED) change website direction from LTR to RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11655 +comment (10meno25wiki) [13:20:32] 03(FIXED) No images show up on wikimedia sites (accessing from Dubai) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14233 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [14:42:07] fahnestock clip [14:53:03] *Jack_Phoenix waves to ialex and Chuwiey :-) [14:53:38] *Chuwiey sends a wave back to ialex and Jack_Phoenix :) [14:53:46] *Jack_Phoenix rars [14:55:17] Jack_Phoenix, why did you compress them? [14:55:30] lol [14:55:40] for fun? and to save some disk space ;-> [14:56:08] 03leon * r35280 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php EditPage.php): (log message trimmed) [14:56:08] * Refactored Article::getAutosummary(), so there's not a very simple static function called for every [14:56:08] autosummary case, instead just include the appropriate code, which makes the whole thing much shorter [14:56:08] and cleaner. [14:56:08] * Removed Article::getRedirectAutosummary() and Article::getBlankingAutosummary(), which were obsolete [14:56:11] then. [14:56:12] :) [14:56:13] * Article::getRedirectAutosummary() was called from EditPage::internalAttemptSave() as check if the page [14:56:35] hello Jack_Phoenix and Chuwiey :) [14:56:40] rar [14:56:43] hi ialex [14:56:50] hello Nikerabbit [14:57:26] Bah, CIA should give a viewvc link to the revision. [14:58:28] or you could just make a shortcut in your browser [15:00:40] good point [15:03:13] movepage-page-unmoved [15:03:26] unmoving makes me think about reversing instead of failing... [15:05:23] 03ialex * r35281 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.css Configure.php Configure.settings.php): Added $wgPerLanguageCaching [15:12:58] 03siebrand * r35282 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (44 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-05-24 16:53 CEST) [15:22:21] 03(NEW) BZ notification mails misbehave with long email addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14249 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (marco) [15:22:27] 03siebrand * r35283 10/trunk/extensions/ (84 files in 84 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-24 16:53 CEST) [15:37:46] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [15:55:32] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10danny_b) [16:14:29] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 +comment (10leon) [16:33:43] Hi, is there a surveys and lists plugin for mediawiki? I want to replace our horrible share point portal with this awesome software. Thanks! [16:35:53] #svn is dead atm, maybe someone know it here... the file you put in when using svn propset license -F is it relative in the repository, or in my or the servers filesystem? [16:36:30] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10danny_b) [16:37:05] 03btongminh * r35284 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Rather than "fix a security leak", specify what this leak is. [16:37:38] Hi [16:42:58] hi Fire [16:44:03] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:49:19] 03skizzerz * r35285 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ProtectionForm.php): * fixing bug 14241: pages can no longer be protected to levels you are not in [16:50:06] 03(FIXED) Pages can be protected to levels you aren't in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14241 summary; +comment (10skizzerz) [16:51:16] 03(mod) Still able to create accounts on projects with a SUL-account-names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14248 +comment (10spacebirdy) [16:54:24] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10danny_b) [16:55:24] why is it hard to specify the protection period?? [16:55:37] *Danny_B wonders what's roan.kattouw's irc nick [16:55:50] cannot we just tell it to protect for N days, weeks, months [16:57:41] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10roan.kattouw) [16:58:04] 03aaron * r35286 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: Add getRevisionId() [17:02:31] How about a cool AJAXish table editor for mediawiki? [17:02:42] Anyone have any suggestions? [17:02:55] sprax: huh? [17:03:18] like s or tables in the database? [17:07:05] like
s [17:07:09] or even raw CSV data [17:07:35] right now I'm using excel sheets to create matricies like Authorized software for a specific user [17:08:08] Where users are rows, programs are columns, and an X at the coordinate is to be installed [17:08:19] I know, not exactly high tech [17:08:23] but it works and its portable [17:08:34] I know fckEdit does a nice job with tables [17:08:42] but it can be a hassle too [17:08:54] I was planning to just put a bunch of CSV files in a shared directory [17:09:00] so I can keep editing with excel [17:09:17] and do a custom template to generate a real table based on a "query" [17:09:21] but maybe there is a better way [17:10:02] If I can get the matricies and the surveys into mediawiki, I'll have no problem building the case to move away from this awful sharepoint. [17:10:28] shouldn't need AJAX at any rate, just normal js, but I don't know if there is anything of the sort outside of existing wysiwyg editors [17:10:36] especially not of the scope that excel is at [17:11:35] but something simple should be doable, but I wouldn't have the slightest idea of how to implement it :P [17:11:37] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10danny_b) [17:12:36] I can make it, it'll just be ugly [17:12:51] I tend to hack things into existance without any thought into extending or maintaining [17:13:05] the shared folder is a good workaround though [17:13:11] I just wont get any versioning [17:14:16] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10roan.kattouw) [17:35:48] test [17:40:21] 03(mod) Provide Autosumm-blank and Autosumm-replace message with CSS class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14247 (10danny_b) [17:46:54] 03(mod) Pages can be protected to levels you aren't in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14241 (10N/A) [17:58:35] 03siebrand * r35287 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: [17:58:35] * remove "Patch by " [17:58:35] * remove end of line periods for consistency [17:58:35] * update localisations section [17:59:39] 03(FIXED) Pages can be protected to levels you aren't in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14241 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [18:02:49] 03siebrand * r35288 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Fix "oops" in previous commit. [18:06:02] 03(mod) Pages can be protected to levels you aren't in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14241 (10N/A) [18:08:16] 03(mod) No images show up on wikimedia sites (accessing from Dubai) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14233 (10lemuelf) [18:23:20] Anyone here running a Mac (hopefully with FF installed) who could help me out with something? [18:23:37] hi Dantman [18:23:45] Dantman: Give me a second... [18:23:50] Mkay [18:30:17] 03(mod) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 (10xarak) [18:34:40] Dantman: Back now. :) [18:34:42] What's up? [18:34:46] Ok [18:35:05] I'm back into working on my idea of a SDK for MediaWiki development [18:35:16] Think I'm going to use POW for the webserver [18:35:50] Dantman, better: use the three variants of XAMPP by apachefriends [18:36:03] they are afair available for all three big platforms mac, win and linux [18:36:19] But the powusb archive has that __MACOSX and other mac hidden files which could cause issues [18:36:42] HardDisk_WP: Mac version of XAMPP was "Use at your own risk" [18:36:50] oh k [18:37:12] 03aaron * r35289 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.class.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): [18:37:12] * File version setting was broken due to class issues, wasn't triggering [18:37:12] * Cache include params to make transaction more atomic and avoid an ass load of master queries [18:37:12] * Timestamp param was just moved elsewhere; re-enabling [18:37:12] * Delay write query some more [18:37:13] Plus it's not as easy to integrate those [18:37:33] ^_^ Apparently POW can run PHP if you give it the location of the PHP binaries [18:37:46] yeah, standard CGI [18:37:54] you can do the same with any CGI parser [18:38:09] o_O does brainfuck for cgi exist? [18:38:29] Heh... ya... But you wouldn't expect to much out of something that uses Server side JS as it's medium [18:40:24] MZMcBride: So basically... Would it be possible for you to unzip the powusb archive on your mac, and then zip it back up with a program that doesn't make the __MACOSX directory? [18:41:29] Dantman: Erm.. maybe? [18:41:31] Got a link? [18:41:41] I could try doing it with the command line I suppose. [18:42:08] http://davidkellogg.com/wiki/Main_Page#POW_Versions_in_Development [18:42:14] The POWUSB archive [18:42:27] There's supposed to be an automator action [18:48:45] Dantman: Sorry. Don't think it's working. :( [18:48:54] Ack [18:49:14] Hmmm... [18:49:26] How about unziping it and doing a commit? [18:52:41] Commit to SVN? [18:52:51] Ya... I'll create the project directory [18:52:57] I don't have commit access. [18:53:03] Bleh [18:53:14] What's the issue when you unzip it? [18:53:27] I mean, I have web space. I can put the files online... [18:54:00] Primarily the existence of the __MACOSX directory, sometimes the actual archive will become corrupt and unusable if you remove that... [18:54:14] And some of the mac oriented files are actually at 0bytes [18:54:27] Which leads me to believe the data is mixed in there where it shouldn't be [18:54:35] Very bad for cross-platform development [18:54:40] Yeah. [18:55:00] But ya, a webspace transfer would work...... Even a tarball would work? [18:55:16] *MZMcBride is switching systems. :) [18:55:24] So it may take a second. [18:55:28] mhmm [19:14:11] MZMcBride, any luck? [19:14:48] Nope. :( [19:15:27] Oh well... do the SDK as is... Expand into OS X and Linux when someone pokes me that they want to use it in them [19:24:16] mediawiki has a SDK? [19:26:31] 03aaron * r35290 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Just consistently show diff and shortcircuit the check. [19:28:08] 03aaron * r35291 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Short-circuit text fetch [19:29:51] 04(REOPENED) Template misses its parameter when contianing a link with "=" character in the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14235 +comment (10huji.huji) [19:32:16] oh snap! [19:32:21] 03(mod) Template misses its parameter when contianing a link with "=" character in the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14235 (10roan.kattouw) [19:32:31] Nope [19:32:43] It's a project I'm working on [19:33:19] Other than the webserver for easy use of it without meshing into any other setup you have there are a number of usefull scripts I plan to write [19:33:54] hello Hojjat [19:33:56] Dantman, what it will do [scripts[? [19:33:59] hi there ialex [19:34:03] salam Hojjat ! [19:34:12] salam [19:35:08] Hojjat, are you an MD now or not yet? [19:35:17] not yet [19:35:40] Things like allowing you to generate a new dummy MediaWiki install to give you a workspace to develop an extension or modification to MW's code... Destruction of those... Resetting a wiki database, generating one with a series of Lorem ipsum type dummy pages for testing, and even generator scripts to use as a base for extensions. [19:40:19] 03huji * r35292 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations [19:42:52] 03(NEW) Template changes get autoflagged after a revert is autoflagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14250 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (church.of.emacs.ml) [19:50:52] 03(mod) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238 +comment (10huji.huji) [19:59:09] what is the equivalent to
in wiki? [19:59:36] I don't want to have to make "== header ==" for each new paragraph [20:00:49] syntropy:
or a blank line [20:00:57] ah [20:01:01] i had the / wrong [20:01:02] ok [20:01:04] thanks [20:06:18]
is not for new paragraphs... [20:08:53] what BR means when they write it at the end of emails? [20:26:12] if read is added to $wgRestrictionTypes, is read protection for a page supposed to work [20:34:43] syntropy: Make a template say 'np' which contains the
tag then you have complete control of {{np}} insertions in all documents [20:36:32] shaiaqua: i don't think [20:37:01] read permission is checked separately from other permissions [20:37:26] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191 (10dan.gorski) [20:37:52] thanks [20:40:09] 03(mod) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238 (10huji.huji) [20:42:24] 03(mod) Permission error message for editing MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 +comment (10huji.huji) [20:45:06] 03btongminh * r35294 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (6 files): [20:45:06] * Add wfRunHook calls where appropriate [20:45:06] * Fix handling of file redirects in ApiDelete [20:45:06] * Throw an error when a file is undeleted as this is not supported [20:46:43] Bah... POW works using the Profiles... Can't even tweak it to use a script configured set of paths and configs... Time to ditch it in favor of something like a Python HTTP server doing CGI on PHP [20:48:58] 03btongminh * r35295 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiUndelete.php: On second thought file undeletion is supported; just not undeleting a specific file. Added relevant hook for this. [20:50:10] 03dantman * r35296 10/trunk/wikiSDK/ (__MACOSX/ powusb/): [20:50:10] Bah POW is using profiles inside of the Application Data. It can't be preconfigured to use a set of configuration options we have a bash script to create. [20:50:10] Dropping use as this will not support a user friendly method of development. [20:50:10] I'll likely build a Python HTTP server and just CGI to PHP. Much more user friendly, and I've had fairly good experiences with Python's native HTTP server libraries. [20:51:20] 03ialex * r35297 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Document ImagePageFindFile hook [20:57:26] 03(NEW) Moving an unflagged page A to a flagged page B inherits flag status of B - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14251 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (raimond.spekking) [21:13:28] Ugh, I forget. [21:13:43] /topic [21:13:46] MediaWiki keeps directing to spiltirsdag.dk, when it is on wiki.spiltirsdag.dk [21:15:09] is there a Localsetting option to force an Edit Summery? [21:15:31] Also. [21:15:35] What do I make of this? Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /var/www/stwiki/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566 [21:17:17] svip: you are missing the xml dom component of php [21:17:40] install it, or use the PreprocessorHash thingy instead of the DOM-based preprocessor [21:17:41] :S [21:17:53] !dom [21:17:53] --mwbot-- If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see for details) [21:17:58] So I need recompile PHP? [21:18:00] heh, the bot knows everything [21:18:07] hehe [21:18:14] recompile?... i don't think so. i think it's a runtime module. [21:18:31] though not sure. i thought i's there per default in php 5. [21:18:51] This is a self set up server. [21:18:56] :S Something sure to go wrong. [21:19:15] missing bits and pieces. but anyway, there's a workaround suggested above. [21:19:23] it's simplem and should work well enough [21:19:30] i think it's even faster than the default. [21:24:45] ARGH! [21:24:48] 03(NEW) Create approved wikis (May 2008): Wikinews Czech, Wikipedia Fiji Hindi & Karakalpak & Moksha & Sakha & Silesian & Sranan Tongo , Wikisource Limburgish, Wikiversity Czech & Portuguese - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14252 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (pathoschild) [21:24:52] Why does it redirect me to a different domain, Duesentrieb?! [21:25:04] Try and go here: http://wiki.spiltirsdag.dk/index.php [21:25:10] because apache is confused about what domain is "his". [21:25:14] fix your vhost setup [21:25:22] My vhost setup is fine. [21:25:22] or set wgServer and wgServerName manually [21:25:34] well then php doesn't know about it [21:25:53] Hm. [21:25:56] if you want to debug it, check the contents of the $_SERVER array [21:26:05] Maybe because I call all my subdomains spiltirsdag.dk as ServerName. [21:26:13] 14(DUP) Creation of pt.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14240 +comment (10pathoschild) [21:26:20] 03(mod) Create approved wikis (May 2008): Wikinews Czech, Wikipedia Fiji Hindi & Karakalpak & Moksha & Sakha & Silesian & Sranan Tongo , Wikisource Limburgish, Wikiversity Czech & Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14252 +comment (10pathoschild) [21:30:56] 03(NEW) Font???!!! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14253 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (az6024283313) [21:44:32] siebrand, why did you remove the patch credits from release notes? [21:46:26] LeonWP: didn't look to me like that was how release notes entries were compiled. [21:46:55] LeonWP: see wiki-tech. If so, I forgot a few hundred credits, and some 50 are missing for the other lines. [21:47:11] wikitech-l? [21:49:09] LeonWP: yes. "RE: [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [35284] trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES" [21:52:04] 03(mod) Font???!!! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14253 04CRIT->normal; +comment (10Platonides) [21:52:25] siebrand, ah right [21:52:31] let's discuss it there [21:53:01] Platonides, thats WORKSFORME [21:55:11] 03catrope * r35298 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: [21:55:11] Add array support to wfArrayToCGI(): when receiving parameters in the form of [21:55:11] &foo[]=bar&foo[]=baz, PHP automatically sets $_GET['foo'] = array(bar, baz); [21:55:11] When feeding the original query back to wfArrayToCGI(), it used to choke on [21:55:11] that. Now wfArrayToCGI() actually converts array('bar', 'baz'); back to the [21:55:12] very likely [21:55:12] &foo[]=bar&foo[]=baz form. [21:55:46] 03(mod) Main page is showing up in a weird font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14253 summary (10leon) [21:56:44] Hi there. I want to use some template for suporting several lenguages in a single mediawiki. I tryed to use {{languages}}, but somebody tell me that this is an obsolete template, and anyway I can not make it work correctly... What should I use? [22:01:51] 03(mod) Main page is showing up in a weird font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14253 (10az6024283313) [22:01:52] uh... templates only exist in your wiki if you create them# [22:02:01] if it's obsolete or not is netirely up to you :) [22:02:14] there are a couple of extension for multi language support though [22:02:29] 03(mod) Wikilink offset in EasyTimeline make text unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4046 +comment (10az6024283313) [22:02:44] see here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Internationalization_extensions [22:02:55] d1d4c: ---^ [22:03:26] 03(mod) SVG font scaling bug ("%" and "em" misconverted to "px") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13494 (10az6024283313) [22:04:30] 03(mod) CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526 (10az6024283313) [22:10:12] 03(mod) Main page is showing up in a weird font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14253 (10az6024283313) [22:10:50] when is the mediawiki version coming out with single sign on? [22:11:57] any one here [22:12:02] ... [22:14:51] Duesentrieb, thanks you :) I'll check that. [22:15:47] what kind of single sign is comming to mediawiki? [22:18:37] DGMurdockIII: none, it's an extension primaly targetted for wikimedia foundation [22:18:50] 03(mod) Create approved wikis (May 2008): Wikinews Czech, Wikipedia Fiji Hindi & Karakalpak & Moksha & Sakha & Silesian & Sranan Tongo , Wikisource Limburgish, Wikiversity Czech & Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14252 (10alefzet) [22:19:24] Nikerabbit, did you make the special page names interchangable ? [22:19:40] but could othere people use it [22:19:44] alnokta: all languages? [22:19:59] becse it an extension [22:20:06] Nikerabbit, yes [22:20:31] alnokta: nope [22:21:33] 2(Nikerabbit2): can you link me to it [22:21:55] Nikerabbit, are you going to, someday? :) [22:22:57] DGMurdockIII: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth [22:23:04] alnokta: maybe, maybe not [22:23:50] 14253, what could that be? [22:24:07] any ideas? [22:24:21] LeonWP: font bug? [22:24:27] ya [22:24:40] Nikerabbit, what does that mean? [22:24:48] hi LeonWP [22:24:49] maybe someone playing a practical joke on him with weird proxy or whatever.. [22:24:53] hi alnokta. [22:25:03] hmm. [22:25:03] alnokta: not very high up in my list [22:25:55] Nikerabbit, ah okay.. thanks for adding it to the list, even [22:26:11] hrhr [22:26:36] hrhr [22:26:38] 03(mod) Create approved wikis (March 2008): Hungarian Wikinews, Erzya & Extremaduran & Gan Wikipedia, and Japanese Wikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 +comment (10alefzet) [22:29:30] does MediaWiki:Common.js not work in mediawiki 1.13? [22:30:54] Should work. [22:31:34] hmm.. [22:31:57] Doesn't it for you? [22:32:20] nope [22:32:26] own wiki? [22:32:30] yep [22:32:40] is it public? [22:33:20] i'll pm you the link if you want [22:33:52] yep [22:34:02] oh wait nevermind....i havn't edited the public version [22:34:10] i am just using a local copy [22:34:17] ah [22:34:58] ah well, I just decided to go to bed now. [22:35:11] ok thanks [22:58:50] um [22:58:55] do I hate php or do I hate php [22:59:14] "{$" procudes parse error [23:00:35] 03brion * r35299 10/trunk/wap/ (15 files in 13 dirs): (log message trimmed) [23:00:35] Spent a few spare minutes poking at the mobile gateway.... [23:00:36] + 2008-05-24: Page loading switched from Special:Export to API [23:00:36] + 2008-05-24: Search switched from broken screen-scrape to API [23:00:36] + 2008-05-24: Titles with "&" now display correctly. [23:00:36] Page fetching was using Special:Export but had some problems: [23:00:40] * Titles containing '&' weren't unescaped, so you'd see 'AT&T' in the title bar [23:00:51] quick question: is there a way to create some text which will be included in every new article using mediawiki? [23:02:03] DanielTahar: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text [23:02:49] thanks! [23:16:36] how do i navigate to the sandbox on a mediawiki w/o using search? [23:17:14] A sandbox is a page like any other one [23:17:23] ah [23:17:31] You can add a link to it on any page [23:17:36] i see [23:17:59] is there a way to see all changes made by all users? for instance, i use my wiki primarily for myself, is there a way i can check quickly to see if anynoe else has made changes to it? [23:18:20] [[Special:Recentchanges]] [23:18:41] thanks for both answers :) [23:21:19] another quick question. I creted a template, which I want to &preload= to all new articles; how to I customize the search results page, so the top link says "there is no article named..." and the "start it now" link also adds the &preload? [23:21:47] you would also do this for red links in oages [23:21:56] i donÄ't know if it's possible at all [23:22:04] probably not without nasty hacking [23:22:33] Is this a your own wiki, DanielTahar? [23:22:55] hmm.. i'm not sure i understand. The &preload function lets you add a certain template to new pages; that works, if i go ?title=123123&action=edit&preload= [23:22:56] this works [23:23:04] I just want to make sure people get there from search results [23:23:07] Dashiva, yes [23:23:59] Well, you can customize the "There is no article..." message and fix the link there. But it won't stop people from clicking edit normally [23:24:20] what do you mean click "edit" normally? and, how do I edit the "there is no article"? [23:25:06] As in, if they click the 'edit' tab, they will get an empty article, no preload. [23:25:14] MediaWiki:Noarticletext [23:26:24] not sure what noarticletext changed... i think you meant newarticletext [23:26:26] that works great [23:26:47] but people will start new pages most likely from search results [23:26:52] or from "go" [23:28:41] 03siebrand * r35300 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki [23:32:00] wikipedia's search results look different than mine, so i'm sure that page is customizable... just don't know how exactly [23:32:57] Well, gee. [23:37:56] DanielTahar: wikipedia uses a completely different search backend (lucene) [23:38:54] oh [23:39:28] ok... but i mean, do you think it's a page or template or special: that can't be edited? i want users to be able to start a new page from results, but don't want them to have to manually enter the entire template [23:39:51] you can change that. go to Special:Allmessages and search for whatever the text is at the top of the search page. then edit that [23:40:22] hi, can i add an root account after i installed mediawiki? [23:42:05] okay now i executed DumpHTML.php and surprisingly i have segfaults with the exact same articles as i had with the RebuildLinks.php script [23:42:19] i have xdebug enabled but get no trace of the error [23:43:21] Noexactmatch! thanks a lot flying [23:44:59] 03(mod) Create approved wikis (May 2008): Wikinews Czech, Wikipedia Fiji Hindi & Karakalpak & Moksha & Sakha & Silesian & Sranan Tongo , Wikisource Limburgish, Wikiversity Czech & Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14252 +comment (10atabekmur) [23:47:37] is there a way to show last update in a wiki page? [23:56:27] 03aaron * r35301 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php FileDeleteForm.php): Extra sanity check