, or escaping <> to <> [04:26:26] but to embed real html, you need something like this, or another extension that generates it for you [04:26:40] or whitelist it (insecure), or enable raw html globally (very insecure) [04:26:53] to do JS, you can just go to MediaWiki:Common.js and check the wgPageName [04:27:11] if(wgPageName == "Extension:SecureHTML") {} [04:29:06] is there a way to distinguish between when a new page is added (for example, show instructions on how to create a new page there) and when someone is just editing an existing page? [04:29:55] you can edit the text above new articles via MediaWiki:Newarticletext [04:32:27] here's what I want to do: I want to create a small form of my own, and when you click "Submit" it copies the fields into the "new article" text (the standard wiki form). I want to place this on top of the "new article" page. It requires JavaScript. how do I do this? [04:34:41] DanielTahr: You might be better off looking at Semantic Forms [04:35:21] right [04:35:29] but you can also do this via JS, just takes some work [04:35:54] detect if wgAction == 'edit', if the namespace is 0 (or at least > -1), and if the articleID doesn't exist [04:36:31] then on load, check if the "newarticletext" div is existing, and then generate the form fields in JS there, with an onsubmit that copies the forms to the textarea [04:36:35] well, let's not worry about detecting if it's new or not; BUT, how do I allow MediaWiki:NewArticleText to run JS's of mine? [04:36:41] Right, exactly [04:36:50] you put the JS in the sitewide common.js [04:37:06] ok, but I also have some HTML with the fields i want the users to fill out [04:37:06] conditional on if(wgAction == 'edit') [04:37:18] you use document.createElement() and appendChild [04:37:29] ... or .innerHTML += on the div [04:37:34] however [04:37:38] there is a non-js way to do this, sort of [04:37:57] in MediaWiki:Newarticletext you create links like.. [04:38:36] [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&preload=Template:SOMETEMPLATE&editintro=Template:SOMEINSTRUCTIONS}} preload something] [04:39:00] this will edit the page (as they are doing) but with the text of template:SOMETEMPLATE preloaded in to the edit box [04:39:28] and you can put instructions into the call (as Template:SOMEINSTRUCTIONS in the example) which will appear above the edit box [04:39:30] this is low tech though [04:40:02] but see also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms [04:40:25] naaa that's not easy enough... that's what i originally had. What I want is my very own HTML fields; I have it designed and all. I have the forms and the JS to copy it to the text area; only question is how on earth do I let regular HTML show up on that page... [04:42:41] well, the easiest way is with JS... [04:42:44] hang on a tic [04:45:07] DanielTahar: you could write an extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategorySuggest) is doing something similliar [04:46:00] yeah i just saw something similar here [04:46:00] http://discoursedb.org/w/index.php?title=Picture_IDs_are_perfectly_sensible&action=formedit [04:47:01] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert might be interesting as well [04:47:44] 03aaron * r35381 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialWhatlinkshere.php: Doc typo [04:48:27] DanielTahar: http://p.defau.lt/?iD4CeIBWrTDdJK4Xzzsgcw [04:49:04] thanks [04:49:05] stick whatever HTML you want in between there (escape single quotes, or change to double) [04:49:10] and then put that in your sitewide Common.js [04:49:43] would be better without JS of course, would save data if you left the page for example [04:50:16] but this might be a good way to test it easily, before getting the extension written [04:50:37] also, don't insert your javascript in the innerHTML there [04:50:52] just put it in another function and call it with onclick on an input button [04:52:35] 03(NEW) Give an option to not watch talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14282 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (soxred93) [04:53:43] 03(WONTFIX) Special:Whatlinkshere display could be sorted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13614 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [04:54:08] 03(mod) Article categorisation links unclickable when viewing categories with true BiDi names in Internet Explorer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4295 (10jon.mader) [04:57:12] 03(FIXED) Namespace selection in Special:Whatlinkshere doesn' t follow redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11556 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [04:58:25] 03(mod) Special: Whatlinkshere should give total number of pages at the top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11228 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:00:12] 03(FIXED) Special page listing changes to all pages linking *to* a given page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6528 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:02:43] 03(FIXED) Special: Whatlinkshere lists ordered by creation timestamp - ordering and filtering should be possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2306 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:11:25] 03(NEW) Deleting a page to make way for move results in "Special: MovePage" being deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14283 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (chenzhengwei2002) [05:17:02] 14(INVALID) Deleting a page to make way for move results in "Special: MovePage" being deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14283 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:19:32] when importing my mysql db usingteh mysql -u user -p wikidb < wikidb_backup.sql do I nede to first delete the contents of the wikidb or is it automatically overwritten? [05:19:43] *need [05:25:18] 03aaron * r35382 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.css: Comment [06:29:21] 03(mod) Suggestion: Rename to MediaWiki:Abused image list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14281 (10N/A) [06:52:56] 03(NEW) E-mail auth link not working in MSIE - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14284 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Email; (kjoonlee) [06:54:05] 03(mod) E-mail auth link not working in MSIE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14284 (10kjoonlee) [07:14:45] does anybody know where i can edit the text which is shown at the end of the login page? [07:15:59] What "end" ? [07:16:25] [[Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki]] [07:17:21] oops wrong link [07:17:57] end: the text is "* Real name (optional): if you choose to provide it this will be used for giving you attribution for your work" and something else...they overlap [07:18:04] Special:Allmessages [07:18:14] Prefixindex will only show existing (edited) ones [07:18:47] ah [07:18:48] i'm already having a look at all messages but i can't find it :( [07:19:13] found it :) [07:19:19] gracias [07:31:37] *Splarka thinks the stylings on li#ca-watch, li#ca-unwatch, li#ca-varlang-0, li#ca-print should be prefixed with #p-cactions (go on, ask why, heh) [07:32:10] you can make p-cactions a perfectly normal portlet by changing the ID, except for those... (and li#ca-talk) [08:00:44] <_wooz> lo [08:08:20] Ok finally tracked down the bug that causes uploads to fail in 1.12.0 [08:10:07] is_file() is the culprit [08:14:27] 03(NEW) Buttons don't work in 'Edit' window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14285 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (nospam) [08:16:19] 03werdna * r35383 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): Link to global user list, not local list [08:20:19] 03(NEW) local timezone conversion / {{USERTIMESTAMP}} for time formatting / signature time expansion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14286 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (anon.hui) [08:20:51] 03werdna * r35384 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuthHooks.php CentralAuthUser.php): Revert r35383. Oops. [08:21:31] 03(mod) Uploading broken after 1.12 upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14213 (10mr-smoke) [08:22:00] wikibugs: yay, that's me, you silly bot :) [08:46:52] 03(NEW) Enable sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting on Polish Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (derbeth) [08:51:35] re [08:53:46] hi..is it pèossible to get nickname froma user for an extension.. i found this to get the category page name {$catpage->mTitle->getText()} and i hope that exist something like this for username [08:54:43] $wgUser->getName() ? [08:54:55] wich code is used for the tab key ? [08:55:03] 9 [08:56:34] i mean in mediawiki :)
givs me a ne line but the tab-key [08:58:13] you mean you want to *indent* something? [08:58:23] use one or more : at the start of the line [08:58:51]
should be avoided, by the way, in mediawiki as well as html in general. [08:59:00] use a blank line to start a new paragraph [09:03:14] I want to add a line like e.g. 192.168.0.1->some mac address->Customer name ( the -> means the Tab) [09:03:21] duesentrieb i get error using $wgUser->getName() [09:03:35] Rave21: mage sure wgUser is in scope. [09:03:59] i.e. global it [09:04:25] buliwyf: that is called a table. [09:04:45]
<- what else cann i use to start a new line, without a new paragrapgh [09:04:46] ok [09:04:50] thanks [09:05:26] buliwyf: nothing.
is for new lines without starting a new paragraph -- which is somethign that should be avoided. for lists and tables, there's a special syntax. [09:05:40] buliwyf: html does not have a concept of in-text tabs, and nither does mediawiki. so, use a table. [09:05:43] !tables# [09:05:43] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "tables#". [09:05:44] buliwyf, one enter makes new line, two enters make new paragraph [09:05:45] !tables [09:05:45] --mwbot-- For help on creating tables in wikitext, see and [09:05:55] Sasa^Stefanovic: wrong. [09:05:59] Sasa^Stefanovic: one enter does nothing. [09:07:43] mh with one enter nothing happens, mediawiki attaches the second to the first line [09:07:49] oh yes, so there is no "wiki" way to start a new line ? [09:08:45] 03siebrand * r35385 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (37 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-05-27 10:55 CEST) [09:08:51] Sasa^Stefanovic: no. [09:08:57] heh, well... [09:08:57] foo bar [09:08:57] : [09:08:58] baz [09:09:00] because, as i said, it's not something you should do [09:09:04] sorta works, not much better than

[09:09:08] i can not think of any good reason to want that, ever [09:09:21] (actually, it just makes a

, same as two line returns) [09:09:27] Splarka: indeed [09:09:32] : foo [09:09:33] : bar [09:09:39] you could also insert a tiny table [09:09:47] also unly takes one enter, but indents. and makes paragraphs [09:10:08] Splarka: buliwyf wants a table ("tabs") anyway. he just doesn't seem to believe he does :) [09:10:17] inserting a new tiny table for just one new line is complicated [09:10:29] yes [09:10:35] so just use
or \n\n ^_^ [09:10:40] Sasa^Stefanovic: why would you ever want to do this? and if you must, you can always use
[09:10:48] the only time i use this is inside message boxes. [09:11:12] yes ,.. but as you said, that is no "wiki" way [09:11:22] right. becaue it's not needed [09:11:27] ok, fine :) [09:11:44] wiki syntax is mainly about producing readable "flow text" [09:11:45] the wiki way would be a template that inserts
^_^ [09:11:48] (is that a term in english?) [09:11:54] yea [09:11:57] {{br}} [09:11:59] so much better [09:12:04] :) [09:12:04] {{-}} [09:12:11] >-< [09:12:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:- [09:12:50] !expand Template:- [09:12:50] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "expand". [09:12:51] :) [09:12:54] that does a bit more, but yea [09:13:05]
[09:13:10] well, {{br}} redirects there [09:13:17]
[09:13:19] same diff for most applications [09:13:30] clear="all"? that's legal? ugh [09:14:12] mh ok its easier to use tables, but why does one enter does not generate a new line :( [09:15:19] because it doesn't in HTML [09:15:26] compromise [09:16:12] sorry, i don't think that's a good explanation [09:16:22] two linefeeds don't do anything in HTML either [09:16:40] the simple answer is, wikimarkup is not really consistent [09:16:46] usually, it does what you want [09:17:38] "compromise" [09:17:48] splarka [09:17:57] between plain text and HTML [09:17:59] i'm scrolling back but i don't quite understand your issue [09:18:04] Xiong [09:18:09] could you recap? [09:18:11] the reason is: look at how "plain text" documents are conventionally formatted [09:18:16] I don't have an issue ^_^ [09:18:19] they use newlines to wrap lines for readability [09:18:28] indeed [09:18:41] if you want to interpret such a text on a liquid layout system like a wiki, you need to ignore the single linebreaks [09:18:43] that depends on your definition of plain text [09:18:57] Xiong: sure. i'm talking about your basic README file [09:19:17] my understanding is rooted in typesetting and probably doesn't fit your definition [09:19:24] buliwyf, Splarka, Xiong: single linebreaks can be made to produce new lines: use the extension. [09:19:34] heh [09:19:37] 03minuteelectron * r35386 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: [09:19:37] * Language::getFallbackFor() now returns 'en' when the passed language does not exist, rather than bool(false). [09:19:38] * Remove excess tab from end of one line. [09:19:38] Patch by Nike. [09:19:39] well, same for

!
[09:19:40] 	e.g., soft word wrapping and a single linefeed terminates a paragraph
[09:19:49] 	Splarka: ...not, not quite
[09:19:57] 	so one enter does not give me a new line, and 
 should be avoided so how to get a newline ?? :confused:
[09:20:00] 	Splarka: cluse to what happens when you start the line with a space, though
[09:20:17] 	not quite in what way?
[09:20:17] 	my feeling is that hard line breaks in the middle of a paragraph are just a Bad Thing
[09:20:28] 	buliwyf: WHY do you want to make newlines in flow text? Generally, if you try to do this, you are doing somethign fundamentally wrong.
[09:20:39] 	buliwyf: what are you ACTUALLY trying to do?
[09:20:40] 	single linebreak == new line, in , because no wikicode rendering is done, no whitespace is stripped
[09:21:02] 	Splarka: but in  wiki processing *is* applied.
[09:21:08] 	bully, the point due is making is, separate out your semantic concept
[09:21:18] 	don't concentrate on how it looks -- but on how it works
[09:21:25] 	Ok
[09:21:25] 	"single linebreaks can be made to produce new lines: use the  extension." "same for [09:21:29] 	1.12.0 WILL break on Windows
[09:21:35] 	Just a warning to you guys
[09:21:47] 	I mean, the File Upload feature
[09:21:49] 	works for me
[09:21:58] 	the philosophy is that if what you mean to do is write a paragraph of text, that's what you do
[09:21:59] 	Splarka: my point was kjust that they are not so similar. yes, they both do that, each in its own way
[09:22:00] 	for that, it is the same, how is it "not quite"
[09:22:21] 	Its no flotting text ists just a list with some information
[09:22:23] 	if you want to present a table of information -- a miniature flat database -- you do that
[09:22:27] 	Splarka: pre doesn't wrap ling lines, for example. poem does.
[09:22:35] 	if you want to present a poem, do that
[09:22:38] 	Splarka: pre doesn't allow wiki links, poem does
[09:22:39] 	etc
[09:22:42] 	well, I wasn't talking about that
[09:22:45] 	nor that
[09:22:48] 	the question is: what do you want to do?
[09:22:52] 	just the linewrapping respect in single linefeeds
[09:22:55] 	Splarka:  fine then :)
[09:23:04] 	plus pre is native...
[09:23:17] 	Xiong: from what he said earlier, he really want a table...
[09:23:33] 	also, an interesting tidbit: foo\nbar *should* work, and does with tidy disabled
[09:23:36] 	MinuteElectron: on windows ?
[09:23:36] 	Splarka: not... quite. it's actually a very special case
[09:23:37] 	you should understand that no matter what you think you are getting, different skins will show your page differently
[09:23:37] 	but tidy strips the newlines
[09:23:51] 	Duesentrieb: no shit, I mean it is native to mediawiki
[09:23:55] 	not that it is native html
[09:23:57] 	ah, yea
[09:24:03] 	Mr_Smoke: yup
[09:24:03] 	 being extension
[09:24:07] 	true
[09:24:15] 	you might fiddle all day with some formatting and think it looks great
[09:24:17] 	heh
[09:24:26] 	but it will not necessarily look the same under another skin
[09:24:44] 	buliwyf: use  for poems. use  for program code. use table-syntax for tables. what else do you need linebreaks for?
[09:25:13] 	MinuteElectron: and where do your uploads go initially ? C:\Windows\Temp ?
[09:25:14] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Guy&diff=prev&oldid=215189176
[09:25:17] 	

[09:25:30] 	Mr_Smoke: The PHP default.
[09:25:39] 	MinuteElectron: or did you change PHP's Temp dir (not upload_tmp_dir mind you)
[09:25:53] 	no
[09:25:58] 	MinuteElectron: is that Windows 2k* we're talking about ?
[09:26:23] 	Xp
[09:26:28] 	Ah well, fair enough
[09:26:43] 	ok
[09:26:43] 	XP's default "allow virtually everything" policy probably has something to do here then
[09:26:48] 	I'm talking servers here
[09:26:52] 	fine
[09:27:11] 	Duesentrieb: do you need me to ban you so you actually work on your thesis? ;)
[09:27:22] 	flyingparchment: probably
[09:35:40] 	i need a visit counter with possibly some statistic abput visit by month and by day, does anybosy know one? 
[09:38:39] 	03siebrand * r35387 10/trunk/extensions/ (83 files in 82 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-27 10:55 CEST)
[09:39:16] 	Hi
[09:46:02] 	03(NEW) bug is open - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14288 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (puneetpall)
[09:53:42] 	03(NEW) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (marcin.cieslak)
[09:54:17] 	i found usage statistic but i don't understand how to install gnuplot
[10:00:08] 	there are some tricky ways to install counters with just CSS, at http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Splarka/tricks
[10:00:52] 	http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Splarka/tricks#Poor-man.27s_hit_counter
[10:02:35] 	but i need something more a simple it counter.. i need smething like usage statistics, but i can't install GNUplot on my server.. i follow istructions but i don't well understand them
[10:04:05] 	the 'Gnu' in 'Gnuplot' doesn't stand for GNU ;)
[10:07:49] 	and so..
[10:18:41] 	03catrope * r35388 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiBlock.php): API: Make action=block return an ISO 8601 timestamp rather than a UNIX timestamp
[10:37:17] 	does someone use socialrewarding? because i try to install it but i get different errors
[10:41:44] 	03(NEW) E_STRICT in Block.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14290 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (roan.kattouw)
[10:44:54] 	03(mod) E_STRICT in Block.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14290  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[10:45:34] 	14(INVALID) bug is open - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14288  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[10:46:24] 	O_o
[10:49:17] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  summary; +comment (10minuteelectron)
[10:50:48] 	no way to get case insensitivity without hacking everything up?
[10:50:56] 	correct
[10:51:08] 	don't understand why
[10:51:15] 	first letter is case insensitive
[10:51:22] 	it's not as though the test isn't being made-
[10:51:36] 	has anybody done this hack?
[10:51:37] 	there is no case insensitive index on page_title
[10:51:50] 	the first letter is simply forced to uppercase
[10:51:56] 	it doesn't check for a lowercase alternative
[10:52:02] 	well
[10:52:17] 	is there any reason why all the letters can't be forced uc?
[10:52:27] 	and the same for the index of page titles?
[10:52:44] 	or better yet, simply use a case insensitive matching test
[10:53:04] 	at what point exactly is the test made?
[10:53:26] 	that is where both items to be matched should be forced
[10:53:27] 	yes?
[10:53:48] 	The test is made *everywhere*.
[10:54:00] 	There are several instances of it splattered throughout the ode.
[10:54:00] 	blarg
[10:54:02] 	*code
[10:54:07] 	Once and Once Only
[10:54:40] 	nobody thought to code that as a procedure?
[10:55:09] 	clearly not, otherwise Dantman wouldn't be rewriting the titles system.
[10:55:40] 	for the most popular, most powerful wiki engine in creation, MW has quite a bit of hair
[10:55:49] 	:/
[10:56:38] 	$page_title = link -> find;
[10:57:11] 	tell me this then
[10:57:19] 	you say dantman is working
[10:57:34] 	is case insensitivity an upcoming feature "someday"?
[10:57:47] 	possibly
[10:57:59] 	if so, then i'll insist on Proper Title Capitalization
[10:58:07] 	and workaround with rds meanwhile
[10:58:43] 	hey all for mediawiki, what should i install,  mysql server or client ?
[10:59:42] 	ugh
[11:00:16] 	Xiong: you now This Thing Here is so Utterly English Thing
[11:03:21] 	i no speeka anglish
[11:04:43] 	03(mod) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289  +comment (10wpedzich)
[11:10:54] 	redundancy considered harmful
[11:11:52] 	from the redundant redundancy department of reduntant rdundancy
[11:13:03] 	03(mod) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289  +comment (10abxabx)
[11:14:55] 	03(mod) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289  +comment (10mst)
[11:15:56] 	unprotectthispage is deprecated/unused, isn't it?
[11:16:13] 	the link displays as "Protect this page" even when it's already protected
[11:17:06] 	at least, on MW namespace pages
[11:17:14] 	worse!
[11:17:29] 	clicking "Protect" doesn't let you unprotect either
[11:17:30] 	03(mod) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[11:17:35] 	"internal error"
[11:17:44] 	bug or feature?
[11:18:04] 	Why would you protect a MediaWiki namespace page?
[11:18:27] 	they are all protected by default
[11:19:01] 	Precisely, why protect them then?
[11:20:03] 	my thought is that it is not possible to protect that which is already protected
[11:20:17] 	therefore, why should there be a link to do so?
[11:20:24] 	and no link to unprotect?
[11:21:05] 	'editinterface' isn't synonymous with 'protect'
[11:21:34] 	(even though both are given to group 'sysop' by default)
[11:21:42] 	well
[11:21:56] 	one way or another, there should not be a link that causes an internal error!
[11:22:00] 	what if a Wiki trusts autoconfirmed users to edit the interface, except a few like Common.js ?
[11:22:07] 	well, that's true
[11:22:14] 	but there isn't no reason not to never protect them, in theory
[11:49:19] 	03rotem * r35389 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Fixing the remaining Special:Listusers links to Special:Globalusers.
[12:03:47] 	03(mod) 1.12 upload fails on Windows Server (was: Uploading broken after 1.12 upgrade) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14213  normal->high; summary; +comment (10mr-smoke)
[12:04:08] 	Hm I moved the priority, sorry
[12:05:41] 	03(mod) 1.12 upload fails on Windows Server (was: Uploading broken after 1.12 upgrade) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14213  high->normal (10mr-smoke)
[12:05:54] 	hi all
[12:06:03] 	is MW considered a Documentation Management System?
[12:06:23] 	Define "Documentation Management System"
[12:07:02] 	a system which manages documentation, similar to how a CMS manages content
[12:07:16] 	yes
[12:07:19] 	at least potentially
[12:07:22] 	Hi all. I am having a very strange problem. I click on a link in toolbox and the page I am on gets edited so that the title of the link appears on the page. The original content of the page is lost. The IP from which the edit happens seems to belong to google. 
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[12:07:46] 	i mean, does the name exist? is MW being called that/
[12:08:07] 	AtharHameed: do you use google web accelerator?
[12:08:18] 	flyingparchment: no i don't 
[12:08:32] 	but why would that make any difference?
[12:08:45] 	because it likes to click links for you which make edits
[12:08:52] 	(shouldn't be able to edit a page, but you never know)
[12:09:07] 	oh 
[12:09:12] 	could it be that my isp is using that ?
[12:10:08] 	I have disabled anonymous edits and you have to be a registered user on the wiki to edit a page. Where do the anonymous edits comes from? :(
[12:11:00] 	is your wiki public?
[12:12:18] 	and which page did this happen on?
[12:13:02] 	hmm, the edits were 2 days ago.. does it still happen?
[12:15:12] 	03(NEW) Bug du format DjVu - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14291 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (frd.turtle)
[13:08:15] 	How does one update user stats?
[13:09:05] 	which stats?
[13:09:20] 	user statistics
[13:10:42] 	which user statistics are you talking about?  where are they displayed?
[13:11:26] 	Special:Statistics
[13:12:14] 	the 'registered users' number?
[13:13:06] 	yes
[13:14:16] 	run maintenance/initStats.php
[13:24:31] 	14(WFM) Titleblacklist can lock itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14280  +comment (10vasilvv)
[13:37:28] 	03siebrand * r35390 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Port a few applicable changes to branch from trunk.
[13:42:16] 	I've got a pretty weird problem. I have mediawiki hosted at https://asdf.com, when I try to create a new article by going to https://asdf.com/{new name} and the {new name} contains ��� characters the page suggest I can create the new page but i changes the url to http://asdf.com/{new name}?action=edit INSTEAD of https, BUT when I search for {new name} then the page that comes up suggests https, as it should. 
[13:42:37] 	sorry for the typos ;)
[13:43:17] 	dfp: do links in existing pages work?  does it only happen with non-ascii characters?
[13:44:11] 	flyingparchment, existing pages work, and I can create new pages as well, after I change the http->https
[13:44:15] 	03(NEW) Create wikimediaru-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14292 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (vasilvv)
[13:44:19] 	and yeah, it happens with all characters
[13:44:51] 	the problem is that when using http and non-ascii characters mediawiki refuses to create the new page
[13:45:11] 	but if I change the url to https:// I can create the ������ articles
[13:46:46] 	dfp: try setting $wgProto='https'; in LocalSettings.php
[13:46:56] 	it should happen automatically, but sometimes it doesn't
[13:48:39] 	https://wiki.com/��� still suggests I create a page at http://wiki.com/title=���&action=edit :/
[13:49:53] 	the other link right underneath it (sorry, my mediawiki is in finnish so copy-pasting the errors probably wont help ;) uses https, the link to the removal log (or whatever its called in english)
[13:50:06] 	dfp: try setting this as well: $wgServer = 'https://asdf.com';
[13:50:39] 	the reason the other links work is because they're relative links in the source.  the link that doesn't work is an absolute link including the hostname
[13:51:22] 	help... not a php person. trying to enable svg uploads to my mediawiki. from what im reading i add a line $wgFileExtensions[] = 'svg';
[13:51:29] 	and a line $wgSVGConverter
[13:51:34] 	but cant find values for $wgSVGConverter
[13:51:44] 	03(NEW) Articles counter on kaa: has bin outdated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14293 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: Usage Statistics; (alefzet)
[13:51:58] 	musikit: open includes/LocalSettings.php and search for SVGConverters
[13:52:08] 	musikit: use one of those, e.g. 'ImageMagick' or 'batik'
[13:52:08] 	flyingparchment, aaaah, thanks, there we go :) using $wgServer works
[13:52:40] 	musikit: sorry, i meant to say includes/DefaultSettings.php
[13:52:58] 	tyvm
[14:07:06] 	Hi everybody
[14:09:24] 	I want to past a code snippet in my wiki but I want it to keep the indentation, how can I do that please? if I just paste the code it remove all the indentation...
[14:09:36] 	AzizLight: paste the code into ...
[14:10:37] 	03tstarling * r35391 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.php SpecialMergeAccount.php): 
[14:10:37] 	* Fixed typo in default configuration setting
[14:10:37] 	* Made the wiki list in Special:MergeAccount a three-column list
[14:10:39] 	tell application "System Events"
[14:10:39] 		if UI elements enabled then
[14:10:39] 			set FrontApplication to (get name of every process whose frontmost is true) as string
[14:10:39] 			tell process FrontApplication
[14:10:39] 				click button 2 of window 1
[14:10:39] 				--button 2 is the green "zoom" button for all applications
[14:10:42] 				--window 1 is always the frontmost window.
[14:10:43] 			end tell
[14:10:45] 		else
[14:10:47] 			tell application "System Preferences"
[14:10:49] 				activate
[14:10:51] 				set current pane to pane "com.apple.preference.universalaccess"
[14:12:27] 	03siebrand * r35392 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Oi. I made 'fileexists-shared-forbidden' disappear. Did not mean to do that.
[14:29:05] 	03(NEW) PATCH - moving Wikimedia only stuff from LanguageCs. php to InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14294 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (danny_b)
[14:30:39] 	03(mod) PATCH - moving Wikimedia only stuff from LanguageCs. php to InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14294  (10danny_b)
[14:31:36] 	03(mod) LanguageXx.php files contain WMF specific settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14165  +comment (10danny_b)
[14:32:50] 	03(mod) PATCH - moving Wikimedia only stuff from LanguageCs. php to InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14294   +shell (10danny_b)
[14:35:31] 	03(mod) Commons should have CM prefix that redirects to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14277  summary (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:43:05] 	03catrope * r35393 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:43:05] 	* Refactor Title::isValidMoveOperation() and Title::moveTo() to return an array of arrays like Title::getUserPermissionsErrors() does; other functions used by the write API have undergone similar refactoring earlier
[14:43:05] 	* Handle these return values in MovePageForm::doSubmit() and ApiMove::execute()
[14:43:05] 	* Remove separate AbortMove hook calls from MovePageForm and ApiMove; these were used to capture the hook error, but the new return type handles that. Also, it resulted in two calls to that hook for each move
[14:43:06] 	* Remove comment about SpecialMovepageAfterMove hook from ApiMove::execute(): we don't need it, there's the TitleMoveComplete hook for that. SpecialMovepageAfterMove is a UI hook that doesn't belong in the API
[14:43:09] 	* Add imagenocrossnamespace and imagetypemismatch errors to ApiBase::$messageMap
[14:43:12] 	03(mod) More information in hookaborted API error needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14261  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:46:02] 	flyingparchment: why are you still opped? Fire might complain ;)
[14:48:27] 	AaronSchulz: that would be terrible
[14:50:25] 	03(NEW) Incorrect parameters for MediaWiki:Blockedtext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14295 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (petarpetrov.wikimedia)
[14:52:04] 	03(mod) Incorrect parameters for MediaWiki:Blockedtext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14295  15enhancement->normal (10petarpetrov.wikimedia)
[14:56:08] 	03tstarling * r35394 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): 
[14:56:08] 	Bugs:
[14:56:08] 	* Make Special:AutoLogin work even when the user isn't attached (authentication is global)
[14:56:08] 	* Make resetAuthToken() really save the new value
[14:56:08] 	* Put an alt attribute in the 1x1 images
[14:56:53] 	Am I right to assume that there will be no Hacking Days at Wikimania this year?
[14:57:16] 	(since there is a technical track now, and since they were not so productive in last years ...)
[14:58:40] 	03mark * r35395 10/trunk/routing/twistedbgp/src/bgp.py: 
[14:58:40] 	* Fix bug in IPPrefix with packed IPs
[14:58:40] 	* Add two masks related methods to IPPrefix which were useful in other projects
[15:01:02] 	hello everybody
[15:01:09] 	here is a small question
[15:01:19] 	go ahead :)
[15:01:25] 	Can media wiki be used on windows hosting with zend optimizer and MS-SQL
[15:01:29] 	?
[15:01:34] 	hmmm
[15:01:40] 	yes on windos host
[15:01:45] 	no to MS-SQl
[15:01:57] 	an i dunno about zend :)
[15:02:11] 	how about using a free My SQL host? will it be slow
[15:02:45] 	My SQL Absolutey
[15:02:49] 	it won't be slow
[15:03:11] 	no a remote My SQL server, those who provide remote free hosting
[15:03:38] 	darknessends_wik, any free hosting is probably horrible.
[15:03:43] 	Does the plugins that have been installed in wikipedia come already with default package
[15:03:45] 	yeah
[15:03:48] 	darknessends_wik, MSSQL will theoretically work with 1.13, but support might not be great.
[15:03:57] 	darknessends_wik, no, extensions must be downloaded separately.
[15:04:05] 	okay
[15:04:06] 	darknessends_wik, no they don't
[15:04:10] 	oh :)
[15:04:42] 	what about exploits and patch ups?
[15:04:47] 	nope
[15:04:53] 	are they released regularly?
[15:04:53] 	you need to update it i mean
[15:04:58] 	well kinda
[15:05:12] 	darknessends_wik, when the defs get to it ;)
[15:05:15] 	devs*
[15:05:28] 	They've been REAL busy lately
[15:05:42] 	setting up centralauth for wikimedia
[15:05:43] 	okay, is there any system built to track hits?
[15:05:47] 	huh?
[15:05:49] 	darknessends_wik, subscribe to mediawiki-announce-l for news on updates.
[15:06:04] 	New releases are quarterly, and security updates are released as needed.
[15:06:14] 	Non-security updates are not generally released for old versions.
[15:06:34] 	There are hit-tracking systems in the software, but I don't know how polished they are, since they can't be used on Wikipedia.
[15:06:52] 	since i have to make a wiki, i think using mediawiki is best, because wikipedia itsself will solve the bugs always
[15:07:07] 	....huh?
[15:07:17] 	ya
[15:07:24] 	"wikipedia itsself will solve the bugs alway"
[15:07:28] 	no no no
[15:07:35] 	you mean the mediawiki Devs
[15:07:50] 	not Wikipedia :P
[15:08:03] 	darknessends_wik, only if the bugs are applicable to Wikipedia.
[15:08:08] 	Most people don't have the same needs as Wikipedia.
[15:08:11] 	is wikipedia ppl. and mediawiki are diff. ?
[15:08:18] 	okay...
[15:08:25] 	Its not the Wikipedia people
[15:08:25] 	Wikipedia is an encyclopedia project that uses the MediaWiki software.
[15:08:43] 	That is managed by the WikiMedia Foundation
[15:08:53] 	I know it's confusing
[15:08:59] 	I clap for you people, If u are the devs or anybody here, Hats Off for creating such a softie sir
[15:09:01] 	MediaWiki is also managed by the Wikimedia Foundation, more or less.
[15:09:21] 	if you're interested in mediawiki, i'm your man
[15:09:27] 	I'll pass it along :)
[15:09:36] 	Xiong, it's okay we got it
[15:09:49] 	and i have got a good install on a freehost, finally
[15:10:04] 	robust, all the freedom needed for a fine install
[15:10:16] 	.htaccess, no safe mode, no ads
[15:10:20] 	Xiong, host name plz
[15:10:22] 	can u suggest me ur freehost xiong?
[15:10:25] 	http://arms.x10hosting.com/
[15:10:33] *CWii 	junps on it
[15:10:37] 	tell me if that's slick enough
[15:10:48] 	go to special pages and try version
[15:11:02] 	you'll see i was able to install extensions of my choice
[15:11:14] 	i have image thumbnailing
[15:11:22] 	"pretty" URLs
[15:11:31] 	pretty much all the bells and whistles
[15:11:47] 	ADS are there on ur site XIONG, see clearly
[15:11:49] 	and of course, direct access to the database
[15:11:58] 	yes but i put them there
[15:12:19] 	but ur server itsself describes that they put add
[15:12:23] 	i'm looking ahead to when the wiki outgrows the freehost
[15:12:27] 	?
[15:12:43] 	no, x10 does not force ads at all
[15:12:49] 	i put the google links in myself
[15:13:02] 	is 200 GB monthly bandwidth good for a beginning wiki?
[15:13:04] 	i could just as easily have not
[15:13:11] 	well, i'd think so
[15:13:21] 	darknessends_wik, that's more than enough
[15:13:31] 	my theory is, if you're getting enough traffic to outgrow freehosting, then switch to paid
[15:13:33] 	And 2GB Space
[15:13:37] 	thus the google ads
[15:13:43] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[15:13:50] 	XIONG_the theory is good.
[15:13:52] 	would you like me to check my usage?
[15:13:56] 	hello Jack_Phoenix :)
[15:13:59] 	rar
[15:14:23] 	i'm not the only user on that wiki but so far, the only contributor
[15:14:30] 	so it's not really a fair test
[15:14:32] 	but
[15:15:00] 	is 2GB space enough?
[15:15:15] 	i've used practically none of my monthly BW
[15:15:27] 	and less than 10/300 Mb storage
[15:15:37] 	2 Gb would be huge
[15:15:40] 	I have a webhost that is providing me 2GB + 200GB/month.......? is it good for a wiki that will be 1 % of wikipedia?
[15:15:50] 	i'd think so
[15:16:00] 	the issues are not storage and bandwidth
[15:16:00] 	cii, u?
[15:16:04] 	but privilegest
[15:16:11] 	what are you allowed to do with your account?
[15:16:19] 	that is a paid host.
[15:16:26] 	what versions of PHP and MySQL are installed?
[15:16:45] 	darknessends_wik: Wikipedia transfers 75,47,90,400 GB per month.  i don't think 1% of that will fit in 200GB
[15:16:51] 	safe mode will mess you up
[15:17:01] 	er, 754,790,400 :)
[15:17:03] 	downrev versions of important packages will mess you up
[15:17:47] 	PHP 5
[15:18:07] 	mysql 5
[15:18:13] 	03tstarling * r35396 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialAutoLogin.php: * Don't cache Special:AutoLogin. wfStreamFile() is like PHP's readfile() except really really cache friendly, so let's just use readfile().
[15:20:01] 	do you have shell access?
[15:20:28] 	03(NEW) ang: displays incorrect text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14296 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (paul.giaccone)
[15:21:49] 	Now I have a question
[15:22:08] 	How can you get a user's editcount throguh the API?
[15:22:26] 	04(REOPENED) Override title text and formatting from page markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496  +comment (10rick.blasingim)
[15:25:03] 	03(mod) ang: displays incorrect text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14296  (10raimond.spekking)
[15:25:36] 	i will be having FTP access XIONG
[15:25:41] 	what else will i need?
[15:26:03] 	you should be good to go
[15:26:18] 	and sorry flying, i underestimated ur wikipedia, heavily underesimated
[15:26:22] 	what is your general skill level?
[15:26:41] 	i am good at ASP.net, beginner even less than that at PHP
[15:27:02] 	well, let me try a little test on you
[15:27:08] 	yes
[15:27:08] 	what is the meaning of a semicolon?
[15:27:16] 	Ahem   How can you get a user's editcount throguh the API?
[15:27:21] 	OH! I KNNOW!!!
[15:27:25] 	I KNOW!
[15:27:32] *CWii 	waves hand in air
[15:27:34] 	TimStarling, wait, which is the one that's really really cache-friendly?
[15:27:46] 	semicolon? end of line in C++, what lang u tell me?
[15:27:48] 	Oh, you did mean wfStreamFile, you don't want the caching?
[15:28:00] 	darknessends_wik, you win!
[15:28:06] 	yes
[15:28:10] 	good enough
[15:28:11] *CWii 	gives darknessends_wik a cookie
[15:28:16] 	you don't generally want to cache login error messages
[15:28:20] 	thanks Cwii
[15:28:26] 	or logins
[15:28:29] 	C, perl, and php all have generally similar syntax
[15:28:29] 	give me ur Gmail one please
[15:28:41] 	XIONG - a ques for you
[15:28:44] 	not identical by any means
[15:28:50] 	but you'll do fine
[15:28:54] 	XIONG-what is sql-injection?
[15:29:17] 	somybaody stabed you MySQL server
[15:29:45] 	ba-dum tiss
[15:29:56] 	ummm, that was be playing the durms :D
[15:30:27] 	so Xiong could you answer my question now?
[15:30:42] 	How can you get a user's editcount throguh the API?
[15:30:43] 	xiong....answer mine also
[15:31:08] 	CWii----is there a API for mediawiki to program myself?
[15:31:16] 	no no on :)
[15:31:23] 	no*
[15:31:32] 	its to acces the wiki's databased
[15:31:39] 	okay
[15:31:40] 	you don't have to worry about it though
[15:31:46] 	It's for bots really,
[15:31:51] 	but xiong is frozen
[15:32:06] 	anybody here has the knowledge of SMS gateways?
[15:32:16] 	has anybody programmed one?
[15:32:17] 	it looks like this : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=usercontribs&ucuser=CWii&ucprop=title
[15:32:25] 	My wiki keeps resetting my connection. :(
[15:32:27] 	SMS Gatway??
[15:32:41] 	nzvip, more detail, plz
[15:32:49] 	I cannot give you more.
[15:32:53] 	I am uploading a picture.
[15:32:56] *CWii 	thinks nobdy will answer my question
[15:32:59] 	And my connection gets reset.
[15:33:00] 	sorry, crashed
[15:33:04] 	SMS gateways are internet gateways to send SMS on mobile devices
[15:33:06] 	its okay Xiong 
[15:33:13] 	i missed the last 5 min
[15:33:16] 	nzvip, where is this?
[15:33:22] 	what wiki?
[15:33:25] 	My wiki.
[15:33:28] 	Is it a WMF wiki?
[15:33:33] 	oh then it isn't
[15:33:47] 	linky?
[15:33:53] 	03aaron * r35397 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files): 
[15:33:53] 	* Add backlog notice
[15:33:53] 	* Add InjectStyle()
[15:34:02] 	http://wiki.spiltirsdag.dk/index.php/JWOW << CWii 
[15:34:18] *AaronSchulz 	eyes Raymond_ :)
[15:34:30] 	sorry I  only speak english :(
[15:34:39] *Raymond_ 	runs to translate....
[15:34:53] 	:S CWii.
[15:34:57] 	You asked for link.
[15:35:07] 	Xiong, how can I get a edit count from the API?
[15:35:19] 	nzvip, how did I know it was not english! :(
[15:35:24] 	thank you guys, meet u some 2-3hrs after again.
[15:35:31] 	It is only when I am uploading PNG, CWii.
[15:35:32] 	seeya
[15:35:55] 	dunno, cwii
[15:35:56] 	nzvip, well I can't help you cuase I don't speak that wiki lang
[15:36:00] 	Xiong, :(
[15:36:04] 	sorry
[15:36:07] 	i will need help from ur side, this is a no-security-wiki we are creating
[15:36:10] 	You don't need to, CWii.
[15:36:13] 	its okay Xiong 
[15:36:18] 	nzvip, i do.
[15:36:34] 	Cwii.....before i go i ask one question
[15:36:40] 	yes?
[15:37:23] 	http://wiki.spiltirsdag.dk/index.php/JWOW?uselang=en
[15:37:29] 	oh XD
[15:37:57] 	don't ask to ask, just ask
[15:38:29] 	
[15:38:33] 	whats that?
[15:38:40] 	That's horrible.
[15:39:08] 	Cwii.....what do u see in that?
[15:39:16] 	03aaron * r35398 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php FlaggedRevs.php): Rename function
[15:39:30] 	ummmm...
[15:39:39] 	nothing :D
[15:39:54] 	
[15:39:58] 	thats an XSS........
[15:39:58] *CWii 	shurgs
[15:40:07] 	oh
[15:40:08] 	:)
[15:40:37] 	i know ur mediawiki won't support, but quite many place it works
[15:41:30] 	Cwii.....i shall go after another half an hour
[15:41:43] 	i may bore u till then
[15:41:43] 	Oh!
[15:41:52] 	i know!
[15:42:05] 	We don't use html in wikis
[15:42:09] 	We Use WikiCode
[15:42:51] 	i know, u r safe, it is a general ques.....for fun. who's gonna challenge u, i said am not even a begginner
[15:42:57] 	beginner*
[15:43:24] 	03catrope * r35399 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php api/ApiMain.php): 
[15:43:24] 	* Added 'writeapi' right that controls access to the write API. Users who don't have this right won't be able to use the write API modules even if $wgEnableWriteAPI = true; and they have the other rights required
[15:43:24] 	* Checking for 'writeapi' in ApiMain::requestWriteMode() and tweaking the noapiwrite error message a bit
[15:43:24] 	* Granting this right to *, user and bot by default.
[15:43:26] 	For extra clarity: to e.g. move pages through the API, a user needs to have the 'move' right AND the 'writeapi' right AND $wgEnableWriteAPI = true;
[15:43:32] 	03yaron * r35400 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.i18n.php: 
[15:43:32] 	Changed wording of 'replacetext_success' and 'replacetext_noreplacement' in
[15:43:33] 	English and several other languages
[15:43:44] 	use pastebins CIA-51
[15:44:02] 	darknessends_wik, its a bot
[15:44:20] 	its reporting SVN commits
[15:44:22] 	lol
[15:44:34] 	that is? explain
[15:44:35] 	we love CIA :)
[15:44:39] 	yep
[15:44:51] 	darknessends_wik, http://cia.vc/
[15:45:27] 	i understand it now
[15:45:27] 	http://cia.vc/stats/project/mediawiki
[15:45:46] 	03(mod) Deleting a page to make way for move results in "Special: MovePage" being deleted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14283  (10herman)
[15:46:04] 	03yaron * r35401 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceTextJob.php: Changed edits to be minor edits
[15:46:04] 	wikibugs is also a bot
[15:49:15] 	03yaron * r35402 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: 
[15:49:15] 	Fixed handling for search strings with single-quotation marks and strings
[15:49:15] 	that appear at the very beginning of a page
[15:49:18] 	bye guys, bye cwii
[15:49:26] 	bye
[15:49:34] 	03yaron * r35403 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/README: New version: 0.2.2
[15:51:07] 	03(mod) Extension:Assert Edit appears to have no effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12038  (10ssanbeg)
[15:52:33] 	03(mod) Extension: Assert Edit appears to have no effect when called from API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12038  summary (10ssanbeg)
[15:57:26] 	03raymond * r35404 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Localisation updates German
[15:57:31] 	03(mod) Extension: Assert Edit appears to have no effect when called from API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12038  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:00:39] 	03raymond * r35405 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesDe.php MessagesDe_formal.php): Localisation updates German - backport tweaks for 1.12
[16:00:40] 	03aaron * r35406 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Remove redundant code
[16:03:34] 	03catrope * r35407 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialMovepage.php Title.php): 
[16:03:34] 	Per Simetrical's suggestion, let Title::isValidMoveOperation() return all errors
[16:03:34] 	rather than bailing out at the first one. Also added some FIXMEs here and there:
[16:03:34] 	the point is that errors on file moves currently return wikitext. I'll poke
[16:03:34] 	Bryan (Tongh Minh) about that
[16:04:20] 	03(FIXED) Email confirmation status on Special:MergeAccount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12098  +comment (10rotemliss)
[16:05:14] 	               if( !$this or !$nt ) {
[16:05:21] 	How could !$this ever be true in an object context?
[16:06:14] 	that's a good question...
[16:06:19] *CWii 	thinks
[16:06:43] 	it would have to somhow have a value greater than 0
[16:06:47] 	i tihnk
[16:06:53] 	i think*
[16:10:55] 	03catrope * r35408 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Let's not return arrays of arrays of arrays here :O
[16:11:09] 	CWii, um, $this is a keyword, for the current object.
[16:11:17] 	It can never have a numerical value.
[16:11:28] 	Than I hve no clue :D
[16:15:02] 	$this will be true if it exists, i believe
[16:15:10] 	it will only fail if it points nowhere
[16:15:25] 	correct me if i'm wrong, anybody
[16:16:14] 	when i see any sort of syntax like if ($stuff = thing -> action);
[16:16:27] 	i think it's just there to catch errors
[16:16:52] 	The issue is that this code is in a non-static method of an object.
[16:16:58] 	So $this must always be equal to some object.
[16:17:10] 	Unless someone mistakenly calls it statically, but then even referencing $this is a fatal error, IIRC.
[16:17:15] 	well then you tell me
[16:17:20] 	how can the test fail?
[16:18:37] 	that's the question :)
[16:19:58] 	I don't think it can.
[16:20:27] 	03tstarling * r35409 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): 
[16:20:27] 	* Use the same authentication system for autologout as for autologin. It shouldn't be necessary for a user to be attached in order to receive logout cookies.
[16:20:27] 	* Don't call CentralAuthUser::resetAuthToken() on autologout. Once, on logout, is enough.
[16:21:36] 	03tstarling * r35410 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUserlogout.php: Hook change required for r35409
[16:23:37] 	03simetrical * r35411 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[16:23:37] 	Testing whether "!$this" is true makes absolutely no sense. Either we're in an
[16:23:37] 	object context, in which case it's always true; or we're not, like if the method
[16:23:37] 	was called statically, in which case the code is seriously buggy and *should*
[16:23:37] 	crash with a fatal error so we can fix it ASAP (which it will, now, on the next
[16:23:40] 	line when a method of $this is called).
[16:24:04] *Simetrical 	is amazed how his commit message can be thirty times as long as his actual change
[16:25:53] 	great!
[16:25:57] 	hehe
[16:25:58] 	we made progress today
[16:26:04] 	9 characters deleted.  353 characters explaining it.
[16:26:16] 	all hail docs
[16:26:24] 	let me tell you what my pop told me
[16:26:31] 	he was a programmer of the old school
[16:26:37] 	mainframes, punchcards
[16:26:42] 	got me started that way, back when
[16:26:55] 	on which base are special:autologin tokens inserted to login success page? why oh why i need to be autologged to projects i've never been to?
[16:26:56] 	when he got started, he didn't even punch cards
[16:27:16] 	he wrote his code in pencil on a coding form and the keypunch girl did the rest
[16:27:38] 	used to shuffle his cards like a misssissippi riverboat gambler
[16:27:52] 	he said, son, the rule is, one line of comment for every line of code
[16:28:03] 	not every line of code has to have its own comment, mind you
[16:28:11] 	blank lines don't count either way
[16:28:28] 	but for every line of code without a comment, a comment-only line
[16:28:40] 	and total, one-to-one ratio
[16:28:50] 	remember, somebody else will have to maintain your code
[16:28:59] 	and that somebody else just might be you
[16:29:13] 	03rotem * r35412 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)
[16:29:13] 	(bug 11149) Temporary block may prevent a user from winning the unified account:
[16:29:13] 	Formerly, if the home account for a certain user name was blocked, even
[16:29:13] 	temporarily, another user (with the same name, and with most edits/permissions
[16:29:14] 	after him) could win the home account and merge the accounts. This could cause
[16:29:16] 	problems and inconveniences, especially if opt-in merging is going to open for
[16:29:18] 	all the users. Now, if a home account is blocked, merging is forbidden until the
[16:29:27] 	03(FIXED)  Temporary block may prevent a user from winning the unified account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11149  +comment (10rotemliss)
[16:32:19] 	how can you format source code on a MediaWiki page?
[16:32:30] 	it keeps interpreting  tags that I want to show literally
[16:33:10] 	[16:33:21] 	flyingparchment: thanks
[16:33:33] 	03raymond * r35413 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add new right 'writeapi', introduced per r35399.
[16:33:40] 	although, you might need  for that to escape .. i don't remember off hand
[16:34:59] 	I was trying 
[16:35:13] 	 should work too
[16:35:51] 	OK, thanks
[16:38:52] 	 by itself worked;  did not
[16:38:57] 	thanks
[16:39:49] 	hey
[16:40:10] 	does  have any different effect from ?
[16:40:29] 	and do either have any effect other than to put the text monospaced?
[16:41:02] 	i notice this is not well documented
[16:42:31] 	03(mod) 1.12 upload fails on Windows Server (was: Uploading broken after 1.12 upgrade) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14213  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[16:44:05] 	Xiong, both are just HTML tags.
[16:44:08] 	03rotem * r35414 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update, changing the message location.
[16:45:16] 	good point
[16:45:28] 	i've never seen any actual difference
[16:45:35] 	although the semantic payload is different
[16:47:01] 	Hi. Are there any improvements on Recent Changes planned? I'd liek to be able not only to hide myself but other users
[16:51:59] 	03yaron * r35415 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: Added escaping of angle brackets in context string
[16:54:27] 	03catrope * r35416 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiMove.php: In the spirit of r35407, don't go crazy if Title::moveTo() returns a string (which it sometimes does)
[17:01:39] 	http://www.canadianbusiness.com/managing/ceo_interviews/article.jsp?content=20080511_198719_198719
[17:01:51] 	How much funding does Wikimedia need each year?
[17:01:53] 	Right now it’s about $4.5 million, and probably it’ll go to $6 million
[17:02:12] *AaronSchulz 	never knew exactly when it went from 1 to 4.5
[17:04:12] 	AaronSchulz: need or want? ;)
[17:04:13] 	lol
[17:04:41] 	Still, 4.5 million is not that much for such an organisation
[17:04:46] 	i'm sure we could spend $20m or more
[17:04:50] 	easily
[17:04:56] 	Hire more devs!
[17:05:01] 	gold plated n-cores
[17:05:15] 	anyway, where did the 3.5 go?
[17:05:23] 	and yes, if you compare our budget to any similar sized website, it's tiny
[17:05:28] 	RoanKattouw: sure as hell not development
[17:05:30] 	even wikia has more money than us ;)
[17:05:52] 	AaronSchulz: we did not make $3.5m this year
[17:06:00] 	AaronSchulz: You can't argue with the fact that WMF needs to hire at least a third dev
[17:06:05] 	Well actually you can xD
[17:06:05] 	AaronSchulz: the fundraiser was much short of the budget, fortunately we got two grants ($1m and $500k)
[17:07:56] 	RoanKattouw: it would be nice. I'm just saying that the 3.5 clearly didn't go there
[17:08:08] 	I'll have to compare audits I guess
[17:08:30] 	Obviously not :P but I said that before you asked where the 3.5 went
[17:08:48] 	AaronSchulz: as i said: there was no $3.5m
[17:09:00] 	AaronSchulz: the budget was $4.5m.  we raised a little over $1m, or something like that
[17:09:19] 	yes, I'm talking about the *difference*
[17:09:43] 	the difference won't be in the audit, because the audit only discusses money which exists
[17:09:49] 	RoanKattouw, Wikimedia's already hiring at least one new dev this year.
[17:09:56] 	Really?
[17:09:59] 	Yes.
[17:10:08] 	Brion asked for applications.
[17:10:08] 	What's this new guy gonna do then?
[17:10:11] 	That was weeks and weeks ago.
[17:10:14] 	Generic junior developer.
[17:10:18] 	combined php grunt and office IT manager
[17:10:37] 	(see, if we had a decent amount of money, we could hire those two positions separately)
[17:10:38] 	yep
[17:10:46] 	Office IT manager == ?
[17:10:56] 	RoanKattouw: guy who fixes the printer
[17:11:01] 	I should take up brion's offer
[17:11:01] 	lol
[17:11:19] 	what Rob did before we moved and what Brion does now
[17:11:53] 	Rob's not a WMF-employee anymore then?
[17:12:00] 	he is.  but he lives in Tampa
[17:12:04] 	hard to fix a printer in SF
[17:12:08] 	;)
[17:12:24] 	True
[17:12:37] 	What does Rob do these days then? Write code?
[17:12:47] 	fix servers
[17:12:47] 	same as always, manages the servers
[17:13:03] 	Are there servers left in Tampa, then, or does he work over SSH?
[17:13:08] 	tampa
[17:13:12] 	servers did not move to SF and probably won't
[17:13:19] 	you can't replace RAM over SSH either ;)
[17:13:20] 	that would be a bitch
[17:14:39] 	True
[17:15:08] 	Anyway, I guess that position will have to be filled in by someone in the SF-area then right?
[17:15:13] 	yes
[17:15:16] 	http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/What_we_need_the_money_for
[17:15:27] 	there's no reason the PHP guy needs to be on site, but as they're the same position...
[17:15:46] 	RoanKattouw: there is room for remote people still
[17:16:01] 	Like Tim
[17:16:03] *AaronSchulz 	waits for brion to start the SUL doomsday device
[17:16:10] 	It has already been started.
[17:16:11] 	I'm sure there's *room*, the problem is money
[17:16:11] 	03tstarling * r35417 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.i18n.php SpecialAutoLogin.php): Show an informative message on plain requests to Special:AutoLogin
[17:16:31] 	RoanKattouw: well they seem to be willing ;)
[17:16:37] 	i think we could do with 2-3 more MW developers at least
[17:16:42] 	Definitely
[17:16:56] 	the more the merrier
[17:17:06] 	We have a lot atm. If only they all cranked out work all day for free.
[17:17:11] *AaronSchulz 	didn't know brion was here
[17:17:16] 	There's gonna be a problem if/when someone decides to hire an API dev, though, because the three of us are probably not eligible
[17:17:34] 	brion: so? can I step into your office?
[17:17:39] 	XD
[17:20:01] 	brion, are you ever going to finish going through all those job applications?
[17:20:14] 	Is it possible to run commands through phpmyadmin, like initStats.php, without SSH access?
[17:20:20] 	03rotem * r35418 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuthUser.php migratePass0.php migratePass1.php): Fix migration scripts so that they (sort of) work (if ever used).
[17:20:32] 	Sasoriza: No. That would be extremely dangerous
[17:20:39] 	Sasoriza: There is PHPShell, though
[17:20:40] 	Sasoriza: phpmyadmin is a tool to administrate MySQL.  it can't execute shell commands
[17:21:04] 	Well, my %^$#in host won't provide the access I need, so I need an alternative
[17:21:41] 	Sasoriza: PHPShell
[17:22:08] 	Why can't someone hack up commandLine.inc to work properly over the web if a particular config option is enabled?
[17:23:10] 	brion: I want to see your IT minion sometime
[17:23:19] 	Lord of the Printers
[17:24:13] 	Simetrical: Because we don't want everyone to be able to run command line scripts?
[17:24:24] 	Imagine if someone would run rebuildAll.php on enwiki
[17:24:29] 	That'd take days, probably
[17:25:10] 	03(FIXED) Allow Meta bureaucrats to administer global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13810  (10tstarling)
[17:25:26] 	but what about smaller projects
[17:26:04] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3AMatrix
[17:26:13] 	Notice: Undefined variable: wgGlobalCssJsUrl in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on line 1 Notice: Undefined variable: wgGlobalCssJsUrl in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on line 1 Notice: Undefined variable: wgNonincludableNamespaces in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on l
[17:26:17] 	in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on line 1
[17:26:19] 	?
[17:26:57] 	Xiong: Maybe you needed to set $wgGlobalCssJsUrl for that extension? Maybe you didn't upgrade to MW 1.12?
[17:27:01] 	RoanKattouw, and so that's why you'd have to enable it in LocalSettings.php?
[17:27:17] 	RoanKattouw, and possibly set secret passwords, put it in a hidden directory, use .htaccess . . .
[17:27:18] 	that's not my install, that's mediawiki.org
[17:27:31] 	Notice: Undefined variable: wgGlobalCssJsUrl in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on line 1 Notice: Undefined variable: wgGlobalCssJsUrl in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on line 1 Notice: Undefined variable: wgNonincludableNamespaces in /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-trunk/tools/ExtensionMatrix.php(31) : regexp code on l
[17:27:34] 	Simetrical: Why not use a special page and use MW's permissions framework
[17:27:35] 	oops, sorry
[17:27:36] 	You realize that every other web app on the face of the planet allows extensive administration through a web interface?
[17:27:38] 	03(mod) PATCH - moving Wikimedia only stuff from LanguageCs. php to InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14294  (10jeluf)
[17:27:40] 	probably a bug in that bot that maintains that page
[17:27:51] 	Simetrical: Isn't MinuteElectron working on that?
[17:27:54] 	yes...
[17:28:06] 	RoanKattouw, I'd trust .htaccess more than MW's permissions framework when it comes to frying my database.
[17:28:11] 	But sure, whatever.
[17:28:18] 	Simetrical: Agreed
[17:28:33] 	ialex is working on Configure, which allows changing config variables through a web interface, but not running maintenance scripts (AFAIK).
[17:28:36] 	RoanKattouw: Not at the moment.
[17:28:51] 	Oh right Minute was doing the extension thing
[17:29:02] 	It's postponed.
[17:29:09] 	Skizzerz's Maintenance extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maintenance) allows to run certain maintenance scripts from the wiki - very handy tool :)
[17:29:36] 	Mm.
[17:30:29] 	03(NEW) inconsistent behavior of diff views defaulting to " Main Page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14297 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (charlottethewebb)
[17:30:30] 	I should play with Configure
[17:30:35] 	it sounds fun
[17:30:56] 	hehe :)
[17:30:57] 	03raymond * r35419 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Localisation updates German
[17:31:29] 	I have a question: What does "Account created automatically" mean when seen in the account creation log. At Wikinews we've just had a bunch of new accounts with that.
[17:31:41] 	Anonymous101: It means it was created with SUL
[17:31:46] 	ok
[17:32:13] 	Anonymous101, people with unified accounts now automatically create a new local account on any wiki they visit.
[17:32:18] 	As soon as they visit it.
[17:32:18] 	'You have to call efConfigureSetup() explicitly in your LocalSettings.php file to use this extension'
[17:32:18] 	For instance, I have accounts with the same name all over the place, and after enabling SUL I can just log into the Chinese wiki (where I don't have an account) and it'll create an account automatically
[17:32:20] 	weee
[17:32:29] 	RoanKattouw, you don't have to log in.
[17:32:30] 	Just visit.
[17:33:10] *AaronSchulz 	thinks this looks suspiciously like special:preferences
[17:33:23] 	Simetrical: I had to log in explicitly
[17:33:36] 	ialex: this is pretty sweet
[17:33:38] 	I don't have to create the account, but I do have to go over to Special:Userlogin and enter Catrope/mypass
[17:33:40] 	hope it's secure :)
[17:34:13] 	it *should* (now)
[17:34:24] 	RoanKattouw, you have to log out and then log back in somewhere for the new feature to work, I think.
[17:34:25] 	play with it to find holes ;)
[17:34:32] 	It was only added like an hour ago.
[17:35:28] 	03(NEW) Logo for myv.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14298 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (robin_1273)
[17:35:29] 	Simetrical: Nope. I logged out and back in at MW.org (my home wiki), then went to ru.wikipedia.org and tried to edit the main page, but I'm still not logged in
[17:35:31] 	thanks for your help
[17:36:26] 	RoanKattouw, worked for me.
[17:36:30] 	03(mod) Logo for myv.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14298   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[17:36:50] *AaronSchulz 	wants to make a tweak already
[17:36:51] 	Well not for me, dunno why
[17:36:59] 	I'll log out and back in at more places then
[17:38:58] 	03(mod) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238  +comment (10brion)
[17:39:03] 	14(DUP) inconsistent behavior of diff views defaulting to "Main Page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14297  +comment (10brion)
[17:40:26] 	What the hell
[17:40:42] 	Simetrical: What happens if you go to http://nl.wikipedia.org/ ? Are you logged in rightaway?
[17:41:42] 	does anyone want to do any serious debugging?
[17:41:52] 	RoanKattouw maybe?
[17:41:53] 	RoanKattouw, yep.
[17:42:17] 	debugging of what?
[17:42:28] 	oh, you logged in to mediawiki.org?
[17:42:34] 	TimStarling: I unified my accounts, logged out and back in at MW.org (home wiki), then cleared all my WMF cookies, logged into MW.org, visit any wiki and I'm not logged in rightaway
[17:42:44] 	RoanKattouw, look at the top entry.  http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Logboeken/newusers
[17:42:46] 	yeah, that's what it does
[17:43:05] 	TimStarling: What's wrong with MW.org?
[17:43:15] 	it's on a separate second-level domain
[17:43:20] 	...
[17:43:29] 	So I should change my home wiki to nl.wikipedia.org?
[17:43:48] 	also it probably thinks it's wikipedia...
[17:44:02] 	so it'd send you to Special:Autologin on everything except wikipedia
[17:44:38] 	03aaron * r35420 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/SpecialConfigure.php: 
[17:44:38] 	* Align var name to top, I got confused there for a sec :)
[17:44:38] 	* Break some long lines
[17:45:27] 	do you use firefox?
[17:45:37] 	Yes
[17:45:46] 	do you have LiveHTTPHeaders?
[17:45:51] 	What's that?
[17:46:00] 	wee
[17:46:01] 	well, it's going to be fixed in a moment anyway, so it probably doesn't matter
[17:46:17] 	LiveHTTPHeaders is the most important web debugging extension
[17:46:31] 	I'll download it
[17:46:34] 	But I gotta go now anyway
[17:46:36] 	It lets you view what headers were passed between the client and server ;)
[17:46:43] 	Also, it looks like I can't change my home wiki
[17:47:45] 	ialex: what makes values greyed out and crossed out?
[17:48:24] 	at least the Manual: docs are better now
[17:48:35] 	Dantman, Firebug allows that too.
[17:49:05] 	"Header Monitor"?
[17:49:36] 	why would you want to change your home wiki?
[17:49:46] 	ARFG
[17:49:51] 	it's invisible after migration, nobody is going to know what it is
[17:50:00] 	^_^ Someone starts on En... but then decides they love Japanese to much? heh
[17:50:09] 	login from mediawiki.org to wikipedia.org is working now
[17:50:32] 	03rotem * r35421 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Clarify that the current account password should be entered in step 1.
[17:50:51] 	Cool! Thanks TimStarling
[17:50:55] 	Works for me too
[17:51:02] 	Gotta go now
[17:51:55] 	AaronSchulz: grey means "you can't edit it", to be able to edit them grant you 'configure-all' right
[17:53:04] 	03brion * r35422 10/trunk/phase3/UPGRADE: Revert weird directions from r35337 -- extensions never did that.
[17:53:42] 	brion: i believe some extensions erroneously told people to put files in includes/ before they were fixed
[17:53:56] 	such extensions should die
[17:54:07] 	they did, but in the meantime, users added files to includes/
[17:54:51] 	03(mod) inconsistent behavior of diff views defaulting to "Main Page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14297  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:55:18] 	brion, there was about six months when the mw.org docs recommended that.
[17:55:20] 	03(ASSIGNED) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:55:23] 	Not written by a dev, apparently.
[17:55:42] 	brion, I think your last two lines were in the wrong channel.
[17:55:50] 	I reckon the only guy who made such an extension was that guy who was complaining to you on IRC, Simetrical
[17:55:50] 	10:54am] brion: somehow people have survived until now by following proper procedure
[17:55:51] 	[10:55am] brion: so if these rumored ghost extensions actually exist, and nobody's died from them in the last three years, i guess we can keep on giving the correct instructions
[17:55:57] 	Anyway, yeah, I only added it because someone was complaining.
[17:55:59] 	I don't care.
[17:56:09] 	and it's not like he published it
[17:56:14] 	Skizzerz' maintenance tool needs more added to it (plus I keep getting errors which I have to fix so can't even use it yet)
[17:56:23] 	it was just in his local wiki install
[17:57:08] 	hmm, svn's phpshell keeps coming up empty
[17:57:08] 	Plus why was it overwritten, anyway?  We never said delete the old files.
[17:58:00] 	03rotem * r35423 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Update for he.
[17:58:11] 	03siebrand * r35424 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (286 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki and svn committers. Backporting changes to 1.12 branch where possible. Will be distributed as a language pack and part of a next 1.12 point release.
[17:58:32] 	if the guy bitched cause he didn't back up his customized site's files, well, he failed to follow sensible directions anyway :)
[17:58:49] 	He was complaining that we only told him to back up extensions/ and maybe skins/.
[17:59:10] 	But he had customized stuff in includes/ also because mediawiki.org said to do that for a six-month period over two years ago.
[17:59:27] 	So he wanted to save all those others in similar straits from making the same mistake, I guess.
[17:59:30] *Simetrical 	shrugs
[17:59:38] 	^_^ Well... at least he's not the one running MW 1.4
[17:59:53] 	hey, once in a while we find someone upgrading from 1.1 ;)
[17:59:59] 	heh
[18:00:36] 	Anything before 1.6 is going to have upgrade issues
[18:01:00] 	why?
[18:01:21] 	The large changes in the DB from 1.5 afaik
[18:01:28] 	so...?
[18:01:50] 	Meh... thought there was some issues with upgrades cross that point
[18:01:54] 	that was 1.4->1.5 iirc... and i believe it can be automated
[18:02:01] 	what it won't do is code conversion from latin-1
[18:02:38] 	one of these days i'll fix that ;)
[18:03:01] 	actually, what we need now is a schema normalizer that'll fix things up on mysql 4.1/5.0
[18:03:19] 	it probably wouldn't be that hard to have that also fix up <1.5 latin-1 dbs as a side effect ;)
[18:03:25] 	also, because the 1.5 upgrade is so big, there's a special script to do it on large sites like wikimedia
[18:03:29] 	but most people won't need that ;)
[18:03:43] 	hi all.Is it possible to import wikipages into another MW instance?
[18:03:45] 	03aaron * r35425 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Give notice an ID
[18:03:46] 	(that special script does the latin1-to-utf8 conversion :)
[18:03:55] 	flo_: it is!
[18:04:10] 	cant find. via special page?
[18:04:12] 	ha! brion! Danny_B must quickly look for some yummies since he'll need something...
[18:04:20] 	flo_: special:export and special:import
[18:04:25] 	:)
[18:06:50] 	03(mod) Create wikimediaru-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14292  (10vasilvv)
[18:11:55] 	03rotem * r35426 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php: Not only for migration pass one.
[18:12:02] 	03siebrand * r35427 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: 
[18:12:02] 	* fix some style issues in English
[18:12:02] 	* add a newline to ease localisation
[18:12:02] 	* align message groups
[18:12:02] 	No localisation updates required on these changes.
[18:12:11] 	ialex: ''
[18:12:49] 	AaronSchulz: hmm forget to add this message...
[18:12:51] 	;)
[18:13:19] 	the $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups table is horizontally squeezed in Opera
[18:13:32] 	these messages are automatically added...
[18:14:57] *AaronSchulz 	hugs FF3
[18:14:58] 	03siebrand * r35428 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: More newlines.
[18:18:38] 	03siebrand * r35429 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Add description for hard link to special page in message.
[18:19:20] *Sasoriza 	needs a hug... from a Nicole Kidman-lookalike
[18:19:25] 	AaronSchulz: hmm, so what does $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups looks like ?
[18:19:56] 	ok in FF
[18:21:13] 	03rotem * r35430 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialMergeAccount.php: 
[18:21:13] 	Removing the columns, for two reasons:
[18:21:13] 	* Incompatibility with RTL lists: Appears in the left with the fix ul { display: table; } recently applied, and worse without it.
[18:21:13] 	* Seems weird when only a few accounts are merged.
[18:21:32] 	crap, what's that command again?
[18:21:55] 	03siebrand * r35431 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: 
[18:21:55] 	* add some newlines
[18:21:55] 	* align messages
[18:21:55] 	No localisation updates needed.
[18:23:44] 	Hooo, hii
[18:25:29] 	hiii
[18:25:37] 	I have a template A that contains {{B}} and a template B that contains {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}.  I want a page that includes A to display the time B was edited. Instead it displays when A was edited. Is there a way to make this work?
[18:29:00] 	03(FIXED) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289  +comment (10xarak)
[18:29:09] 	yes! yes!
[18:29:12] 	http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/ARMS%3ASandbox
[18:30:22] 	:D
[18:30:31] 	yay
[18:30:52] 	to put this in context
[18:31:17] 	about a month ago, i had this slow-motion argument with a guy coding up a new website for a club
[18:31:22] 	03(mod) Don't show pagination where not necessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14244  (10N/A)
[18:31:25] 	-- not ARMS --
[18:31:47] 	he was so tickled that he managed to write a flickr api from scratch
[18:32:16] 	and i said, well, i think instead of writing a website, why not just install mediawiki?
[18:32:35] 	i'm sure you can display the flickr photos that way
[18:32:43] 	he said, well, i've got the api working
[18:32:53] 	and if any club members want changes to the site, they can just email me
[18:33:49] 	ha!
[18:33:52] 	and ha!
[18:33:58] 	i just checked out that site
[18:34:10] 	it *still* hasn't been updated in 3 years
[18:34:12] 	hi, guys. I try to install mediawiki on ubuntu. i want to use Postgresql, but when i try to use "tables.sql" from "maintenance/postgres", i get a mestake "ERROR:  type "tsvector" not exist". Google doesn't help....
[18:34:24] 	that guy's slick stuff still isn't ready for prime time
[18:37:52] 	03(mod) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238  (10charlottethewebb)
[18:38:33] 	03(mod) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238  (10charlottethewebb)
[18:39:48] 	03brion * r35432 10/trunk/wap/README: s/down/done/
[18:42:00] 	zupb: Try to use MySQL and you'll have less problems in the future (you already have now :)
[18:42:21] 	yes
[18:42:32] 	someone needs to show me a reason not to use mysql
[18:42:55] 	at least, for a web-based application
[18:44:00] 	dunno a single host who doesn't offer it, but that would be a reason though
[18:44:02] 	MONK3000, thanks for advice
[18:44:14] 	i have a mediawiki on mysql
[18:44:25] 	but it's work very slowly
[18:45:07] 	there are any number of reasons for a wiki to work slowly
[18:45:17] 	i would not rush to point my finger at the DB
[18:45:42] 	up until about 2 years ago, wikipedia ran very slowly at times
[18:45:54] 	even with all the devs huffing and puffing and shoving at it
[18:46:02] 	just couldn't keep up with the load
[18:46:10] 	wiki is hugely resource intensive
[18:46:39] 	if your webapp is designed for mysql, that's what you should use.  a better question is why the authors designed it for mysql ;)
[18:47:03] 	the tradeoff is performance for bulletproof rollback/versioning and ease of use
[18:47:31] 	fp: do i detect a mysql detractor?
[18:47:41] 	i'll listen to rational arguments
[18:47:48] 	i i'm not mistaken even google uses mysql...
[18:47:56] 	but i think that pretty well has the market cornered
[18:48:13] 	shall i start listing all the bugs i've found in mysql 5.0?  let's start with "SELECT * FROM t WHERE a='foo' OR a='FOO'" not returning any results for 'FOO'
[18:48:20] 	(and this was in a stable production release!)
[18:48:46] 	i never like any version that ends in .0
[18:48:47] 	Well, flyingparchment, go ahead.
[18:48:56] 	But this is not #mysql
[18:48:58] 	almost a dead giveaway that there will be a patch to come
[18:49:20] 	Xiong: 5.0.36 or something.  mysql uses x.y for its major releases.  (4.0, 4.1, 5.0...0
[18:49:53] 	well, i'm pretty happy with my mw install over the standard lamp stack
[18:50:23] 	deviate from that, use a boutique db or insist on a windoz platform, well, i say you ask for trouble
[18:50:43] 	i mean, personally i prefer perl to php
[18:50:50] 	i think php is obnoxiously ugly
[18:50:57] 	ah.
[18:51:09] 	but i'm not going to jam perl scripts in there
[18:51:23] 	the point is using MW NOT on mysql is NOT clever imo
[18:51:43] 	oh, the bug where mysqldump would generate invalid SQL dumps was fun.  they fixed it once, but the fix was broken.  (had to manually edit the dump to get it to import...)
[18:51:44] 	monk (+)
[18:52:05] 	even if mysql stunk, mw was built with that in mind
[18:52:17] 	Xiong: if you read up, you'll see that's what i actually said :)
[18:52:30] 	well, not sure we're having an argument
[18:52:46] 	my favorite DB tool is actually filemaker pro
[18:53:25] 	*shudder*
[18:53:30] 	03shinjiman * r35433 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:53:30] 	Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[18:53:30] 	Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[18:53:30] 	Thanks Alexsh fot fixing the incorrect message 'centralauth-token-mismatch' in zh-hans and zh-hant.
[18:53:36] 	on the other hand - if wikipedia moved to postgres, you can bet PG support would get much better very quickly ;)
[18:53:43] 	filemaker pro's actually a nice little desktop database "make forms and fill them in" tool
[18:53:46] 	anyway i'm delighted to get flickr working on my install
[18:53:49] 	but it's a really shitty backend for web applications :D
[18:53:54] 	ha ha
[18:54:01] 	not suggesting it for a backend
[18:54:07] 	zupb: btw, a) don't source tables.sql manually unless you know what you're doing, b) tsvector is part of tsearch2, which you have to install first
[18:54:12] 	what it is great for is the small office data pool
[18:54:25] 	at my previous job they went a little overboard with the filemaker :)
[18:54:29] 	so is MS Access
[18:54:32] 	the girl behind the front desk can fiddle with the layouts if she must
[18:54:57] 	i made a slot machine in fmp -- a one-armed bandit
[18:55:03] 	anyway
[18:55:06] 	back to flickr
[18:55:08] 	it works
[18:55:13] 	\o/
[18:55:19] 	http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/ARMS%3ASandbox
[18:55:25] 	the extension, that is
[18:55:31] 	but it's very primitive
[18:55:50] 	i'm trying to think of ways to make it a bit more user-friendly
[18:55:59] 	hmm, bet you could do a filerepo class that provides flickr access
[18:56:12] 	then you could do [[Image:768136337|thumb|center|-|Bear stare]]
[18:56:15] 	heh
[18:56:19] 	obviously, on the upload file page, i put in a big red link to flickr
[18:56:33] 	hey you guys, before you upload here, consider *this*
[18:56:47] 	well brion i can get the same effect with a template
[18:57:03] 	the trouble is that the id # does not actually show anywhere on the flickr page
[18:57:14] 	but you could use them in s and s this way, i think :D
[18:57:16] 	you have to grab it out of the browser address bar
[18:57:22] 	flyingparchment, where i can find tsearch2? in folder postgresql i it's not find....
[18:57:37] 	zupb: read the postgresql manual or the mediawiki manual. i believe both explain it
[18:58:11] 	i wonder if a superheavy parserfunctions template could suck the id from the complete url?
[18:58:26] 	flyingparchment, ok thank for help :)
[18:58:38] 	When using interwiki links, and setting up multiple wiki's to use a "commons" for file uploads, is there anyway to maintain a persistence login between the commons wiki and the main wiki's? At the moment users need to relog again on commons to upload.
[18:58:50] 	persistent*
[18:59:22] 	brion: shouldn't  [[Special:MergeAccount]] avoid calling monobook.js, just like UserLogin and Preferences?
[18:59:53] 	probably, AlexSm 
[19:01:14] 	no way!
[19:01:33] 	tranclusion doesn't work inside  tags :(
[19:02:55] 	I have a wikifarm and use hooks to store all Recentchanges from each wiki into a global table. I'm pretty much using the same Special page for Recentchanges. I have the $rc object; how do namespaces get translated? ie: rc_title = 'Main_Page' and rc_namespace = 8 but how does that translate into MediaWiki:Main_Page ?
[19:04:05] 	is a person wwith shell access available?
[19:05:06] 	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14276
[19:05:14] *darknessends_wik 	xiong hii again
[19:05:27] 	worse
[19:05:57] 	a transcluded template with a flickr tag in it and a param doesn't work either
[19:05:57] 	Shiroi_Neko: you're in queue ;-)
[19:06:04] 	which suggests it's a total hack
[19:06:21] 	hi dark
[19:06:24] 	how goes it?
[19:07:37] 	que?
[19:08:00] 	queueueue?
[19:08:10] *darknessends_wik 	Cii is not here
[19:10:19] 	brion: what exactly is filerepo?
[19:10:33] 	file repository
[19:10:34] 	searching for that term returns some odd links indeed
[19:10:42] 	class for handling all upload file backend stuff
[19:11:09] 	why doesn't google return a link to a page where classes are discussed?
[19:11:49] 	03nikerabbit * r35434 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesNn.php: * Default date format missing
[19:11:57] 	i see references to "filerepo/LocalFile.php"
[19:12:13] 	but poking around the install, i don't see that directory
[19:13:22] 	ah
[19:13:46] 	includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php
[19:15:05] 	there's probably not much documentation on these classes :)
[19:15:47] 	as a spare-time project i've been working on a ForeignAPIRepo class which pulls files from a remote MediaWiki instance, getting the info via the web-service API
[19:15:56] 	so i'm sort of starting to figure them out myself now ;)
[19:16:30] 	well i've had a look at FileRepo.php
[19:16:35] 	certainly way over my head
[19:17:02] 	i'm afraid the shine is wearing off extension:flickr
[19:17:04] 	:)
[19:17:08] 	heh
[19:17:20] 	clear that i won't be able to buff it up with any sort of template
[19:17:45] 	it's not well-behaved
[19:17:52] 	grabby
[19:18:01] 	not letting the parser do its stuff first
[19:18:41] 	which means if i want my users to do it this way, hand-holding will be called for
[19:18:46] 	03rotem * r35435 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fixes.
[19:18:48] 	the default syntax doesn't suck
[19:18:51] 	but it's not nice
[19:19:07] 	Xiong: try {{#tag:blah}}
[19:19:09] 	i suppose {{subst: might bridge the gap
[19:19:09] 	that may help
[19:19:15] 	instead of blah
[19:19:56] 	that handles the template parameter substitution correctly
[19:20:01] 	do you mean literally {{#tag:
[19:20:14] 	or {{#flickr:
[19:20:17] 	{{#tag:flickr|some parameters}} iirc
[19:20:55] 	never used that pf
[19:21:00] *Xiong 	fiddles
[19:21:37] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#Extensions_and_Templates
[19:21:40] 	it's new in 1.12
[19:21:45] 	*very* interesting
[19:21:50] 	it almost works
[19:21:54] 	heh
[19:22:16] 	apparently only the first parm is passed though
[19:22:17] 	check it out
[19:22:26] 	http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/ARMS%3ASandbox1
[19:22:52] 	either the first or the last param is the contents
[19:22:54] 	i forget whihc
[19:22:56] 	vs the same code as prescribed by the extension author:
[19:22:57] 	http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/ARMS%3ASandbox
[19:23:03] 	ahhh
[19:23:07] 	i'll go look it up
[19:23:08] 	this'll be complicated by using | in the ext :)
[19:23:33] 	you can probably do the old workaround by making a Template:! that contains "|" and use {{!}} or some crap
[19:23:35] 	bleh
[19:23:49] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help%3AParserfunctions
[19:23:58] 	There is currently no text in this page
[19:24:09] 	a fellow could make a full time job populating that wiki
[19:24:56] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help%3AParserfunctions
[19:25:19] 	is this sth a miserable pudknocker can do?
[19:25:27] 	moving pages from meta to mw?
[19:25:42] 	sure :)
[19:26:28] 	unfortunately #tag is not documented there
[19:28:01] 	argh
[19:28:19] 	is there any way to create a scope in php without declaring a function?
[19:30:58] 	If I have a tag extension set up thus:
[19:30:59] 	http://pastie.textmate.org/private/t5w0d5onmdfgp1ybuipuq
[19:31:28] 	Why is the parser screwing with my javascript by e.g. substituting in non-breaking spaces, pre tags, getting rid of asterisks, etc.?
[19:31:29] 	brion you are a god!
[19:31:31] 	http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/ARMS%3ASandbox1
[19:31:35] 	*fixed*
[19:31:35] 	so that I have to carefully format my JS to avoid this?
[19:31:41] 	view source
[19:32:03] 	yay
[19:32:09] 	that will hopefully allow me to write a nice template wrapper
[19:32:25] 	so the dummies can actually use the extension
[19:32:26] 	davidmccabe: the parser's kind of a bitch about that sort of thing :(
[19:32:31] 	couple things you can do:
[19:32:53] 	and perhaps the superheavy pf can be built to whittle a complete url down to just the photo id
[19:32:56] 	first, if you can toss your JS as a script append on the parser output object, that'll keep it outside of the inline text and safe from manipulation
[19:33:10] 	Here I thought the whole problem with tag extensions is that you couldn't run things through the parser.
[19:33:17] 	second, if you *must* keep it inside the inline text area, be careful of the formatting. avoid whitespace at line start, etc
[19:33:32] 	certain block-formatting stages happen after replacement
[19:33:35] 	K, I'll try the script append, since the formatting is making me nervous. 
[19:33:35] 	it's a little wonky :)
[19:33:52] 	brion: Unrelated: Any clues why the 'subject.value' is an empty string in IE?
[19:34:10] 	oops
[19:34:14] 	The object in question is a form input.
[19:34:32] 	hmm
[19:34:35] 	i wonder if there's any point in writing something that grabs referrer info?
[19:34:56] 	ought to work, unless the form item isn't present at the time the script is executed
[19:35:01] 	brion: very frustrating as 'value' is one of those few things that's just supposed to work.
[19:35:02] 	which shouldn't happen for an onload hook
[19:35:06] 	heh
[19:35:24] 	a text input or a drop-down list?
[19:35:54] 	drop-down. 
[19:35:59] 	ahhh
[19:36:07] 	you gotta do selectedIndex and all that crap
[19:36:10] 	it's kind of annoying
[19:36:13] 	of course, nobody wrote an http-referrer extension
[19:36:25] 	because the assumption is that you're always coming from another wiki page
[19:36:29] 	but that's so not true
[19:36:34] 	brion: oh yeah, damn. thanks.
[19:36:43] 	I basically forgot it even was a popup until you asked.
[19:36:46] 	:)
[19:37:04] 	yeah i just remember lots of pain dealing with drop-down lists in js at a previous job :)
[19:37:07] 	brion: Do you know offhand to tell whether it's a dropdown or a text?
[19:37:41] 	probably you can get its element name, or just check for existence of selectedIndex property?
[19:37:57] 	but a drop-down will be a 
[19:44:04] 	centralauth ignores username blacklist
[19:44:22] 	Belfast City Council Wiki
[19:44:32] 	the city that anyone can edit
[19:44:48] 	oh no
[19:44:48] 	Danny_B: once you're in, you're in
[19:44:52] 	another revert war
[19:46:49] 	hmm, that will cause problems :-/
[19:47:44] 	who's in charge of new wikis configuration?
[19:55:14] 	['wikisource']['ln'] doesnt seem to exist
[19:56:22] 	03raymond * r35436 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Localisation updates German
[19:56:26] 	Shiroi_Neko: ln or li?
[19:58:21] 	brion what was the recent wikisource that was created
[19:58:39] 	on the mailing list I see a ['wikisource']['ln']
[19:58:54] 	i believe that this was a typo in the list which was already discussed on that list
[19:59:28] 	03ialex * r35437 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Added $oldName to documentation of UserLogoutComplete hook
[19:59:28] 	oh really?
[19:59:32] *Shiroi_Neko 	scrolls down a bit
[20:04:41] 	Hey
[20:05:05] 	Hi
[20:05:25] 	I'm trying to work out how to integrate conditional statements into a template (ie. if user has input {{{variable}}}, show x, y and z else show nothing)
[20:06:09] 	03(mod) SVG font scaling bug ("%" and "em" misconverted to "px") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13494  (10brion)
[20:07:42] 	03(NEW) Log SUL account creation only at first login/ access to wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14299 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Eugene.Zelenko)
[20:09:38] 	brion, is it safe to assume that in the $rc object that if mNamespace > 0, use mPrefixedText rather than mUrlform (in an href)?
[20:10:29] 	depends what you're tyring to do with it i suppose?
[20:11:07] 	I have a wiki family with a global Recentchanges page; just trying to link things properly with the appropriate namespace
[20:11:30] 	brion: it turns out that the value property of an Option object, if no value attribute is given in the markup, is equal to the text property in real browsers but is empty is IE.
[20:14:08] 	03brion * r35438 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialWhatlinkshere.php: 
[20:14:08] 	Revert Whatlinkshere to state in r35370
[20:14:08] 	Subqueries no worky in MySQL 4.0
[20:19:19] 	03(mod) Log SUL account creation only at first login/access to wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14299  (10brion)
[20:20:27] 	04(REOPENED) Backwards scrolling at Special:Whatlinkshere is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9487  +comment (10brion)
[20:30:28] 	04(REOPENED) Namespace selection in Special:Whatlinkshere doesn' t follow redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11556  +comment (10brion)
[20:32:28] 	03brion * r35439 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (6 files): 
[20:32:28] 	Revert FlaggedRevs to known-good state of r35255 (Friday, May 23).
[20:32:28] 	Something wasn't working live, and nobody can flag any revisions...
[20:32:28] 	"try to sighten http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joscha_Sauer&curid=231197&diff=46573540&oldid=46235046&rcid=46179847 and other diffs. always "The requested action could not be performed on this revision...""
[20:34:09] 	03ialex * r35440 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): 
[20:34:09] 	* Added configure-section-groups-notallowed message, thanks to aaron for pointing this out
[20:34:09] 	* Refactored a bit some checks introduced in last version
[20:35:13] 	03(mod) php5 segfaults for refreshLinks.php and dumpHTML.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14257  (10j.schauer)
[20:54:50] 	03(mod) Log SUL account creation only at first login/access to wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14299  (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[20:55:19] 	brion: if you had few minutes, could you please take a look on n:cs: and v:cs: config? thank you
[20:55:33] 	not atm
[20:58:09] 	03(mod) Log SUL account creation only at first login/access to wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14299  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:00:11] 	03brion * r35441 10/trunk/extensions/Newuserlog/Newuserlog.php: Don't spam RecentChanges with local account autocreations
[21:02:03] 	03(mod) Log SUL account creation only at first login/access to wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14299  (10brion)
[21:02:40] 	03catrope * r35442 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.php CentralAuthHooks.php central-auth.sql): CentralAuth: Support adding the tables through maintenance/update.php
[21:06:24] 	03(FIXED) Log SUL account creation only at first login/access to wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14299  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[21:07:39] 	03(mod) ang: displays incorrect text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14296  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:13:31] 	03(NEW) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (raimond.spekking)
[21:19:22] 	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10thogol)
[21:20:31] 	:)
[21:22:41] 	03raymond * r35443 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/Names.php): * (bug 14296) Fix local name of ang: (Anglo-Saxon)
[21:23:12] 	03(FIXED) ang: displays incorrect text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14296  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:32:55] 	03(NEW) You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:33:55] 	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10jo-n)
[21:34:56] 	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  normal->major (10azatoth)
[21:40:28] 	03(mod)  You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:47:29] 	Anyone know why mediawiki keeps sending Expires: of Jan 1970 ?
[21:48:02] 	mmcgrath: mediawiki in general?
[21:48:22] 	or an specific site?
[21:48:42] 	!seen evanpro
[21:48:42] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "seen".
[21:48:43] 	AzaTht: yeah, just every page in mediawiki.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure (I'm currently working on that site) and noticed the Expires headers aren't right.
[21:49:12] 	mmcgrath: could be an servererror
[21:49:28] 	mmcgrath: usually means that you aren't entering the expiry time in a method that MediaWiki recognizes
[21:49:43] 	and/or it isn't being parsed properly
[21:49:48] 	mmcgrath: Jav 1970 = 0
[21:49:50] 	is that documented anywhere?  I've only just started getting caching up and going.
[21:49:51] 	Jan*
[21:50:19] 	anyone know what variable controls that?
[21:50:22] 	I haven't set it AFAIK
[21:59:26] 	hmm.. $response->header( 'Expires: ' . gmdate( 'D, d M Y H:i:s', 0 ) . ' GMT' );
[22:02:02] 	mmcgrath: check function sendCacheControl() in /includes/OutputPage.php
[22:02:29] 	surely the date on my host isn't that far off
[22:02:32] *mmcgrath 	looks to be sure :)
[22:02:47] 	yeah, something quite strange is going on here. 
[22:02:49] 	it looks like it is intentionally set to 0 in certain conditions
[22:03:04] 	the else on the if check for: (!$this->uncacheableBecauseRequestVars() && $this->mEnableClientCache)
[22:03:22] 	and the else on the if check for: ($wgUseSquid && session_id() == '' && ! $this->isPrintable() && $this->mSquidMaxage != 0 && !$this->haveCacheVaryCookies() )
[22:03:22] 	Splarka: learning PHP, eh? ;-)
[22:03:26] 	nope
[22:03:30] 	pseudocode is all the same
[22:03:35] 	[citation needed]
[22:03:38] 	Anyone can read if-else blocks
[22:03:41] 	interesting
[22:03:47] 	^{[citation needed]^[22:03:52] even
[22:04:06] 	{{fact}}
[22:04:24] 	your situation looks like the latter if else
[22:04:32] 	as it is using $response->header( "Cache-Control: private, must-revalidate, max-age=0" );
[22:04:46] 	 I do see that as well. 
[22:04:57] 	so the question is then, why is that showing up?
[22:20:41] 	03siebrand * r35444 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: 
[22:20:41] 	Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[22:20:41] 	* Latest updates for CentralAuth
[22:28:02] 	04(REOPENED) Allow Meta bureaucrats to administer global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13810  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:29:00] 	03(FIXED) Allow Meta bureaucrats to administer global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13810  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:29:10] 	9_9
[22:36:48] 	03brion * r35445 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.php CentralAuthHooks.php central-auth.sql): Revert r35442 -- appears to try to add the centralauth GLOBAL tables to EVERY LOCAL database when you run update.php
[22:40:13] 	Greetings all!
[22:40:16] 	:-)
[22:41:21] 	Looking for suggestions on how best to setup navigational elements that allow a visitor to read a book in a linear fashion.
[22:42:25] 	In particular, I was thinking I'd like to have small icons with text at the top and bottom of every page which allow one to move forward or backwards a page or chapter at a time.
[22:43:03] 	e.g.  TOC  <-- Previous  --> Next
[22:43:06] 	you might check how wikibooks.org and wikisource.org do it
[22:43:39] 	Thank you splarka...excellent suggestion.  :-)
[22:43:55] 	I'm new to Wikis and I was not aware of those sites.
[22:49:20] 	hi
[22:49:47] 	anybody knows which is the spanish Wikipedia Theme? that have some rounded corners?
[22:52:17] *Danny_B 	is wondering if brion doesn't have few minutes now by any chance
[22:52:26] 	Parufito: http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css  check for -moz-border-radius stuff, but be aware it is browser specific
[22:52:28] 	busy 
[22:52:42] 	ok
[22:52:55] 	will try to remind myself later again ;-)
[22:54:14] 	I know this kind-of defeats the purpose but does anyone have a link to a MediaWiki User guide which can be downloaded as a single file for printing purposes?
[22:54:23] 	aha, is the same as the english wiki but with only this add on css?
[22:54:30] 	i'll try
[22:54:33] 	thx Splarka 
[22:54:49] 	pretty much the same
[22:56:13] 	Is it possible to maintian a persistent login between two wiki's that are linked using interwiki? I am using a commons.domain.com to store images, for multiple wiki's on the same domain but it always requires a second login which can get annoying.
[22:56:42] 	are they on the same second-level domain?
[22:56:53] 	ok, i've tryed to remplace the page in my wiki and it works
[22:56:58] 	commons.domain.com / en.domain.com / de.domain.com, etc 
[22:57:09] 	But I use commons as the shared upload wiki.
[22:57:15] 	shared user database?
[22:57:17] 	Yes.
[22:57:24] 	you might ask Wikia how they do it (they had to do some fiddling IIRC)
[22:58:46] 	Will do.
[23:00:30] 	also see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCookieDomain
[23:01:43] 	03river * r35446 10/trunk/tools/php_perusersessionsavepath/: new directory
[23:01:44] 	Hmm
[23:02:08] 	It's not an array, so can you give it a wildcard subdomain?
[23:02:55] 	Jasio: '.domain.com'
[23:02:56] 	03river * r35447 10/trunk/tools/php_perusersessionsavepath/ (config.m4 perusersessionsavepath.c): PHP extension to set session.save_path to $HOME/.php_sessions, for used on shared hosting servers
[23:02:58] 	not sure, maybe just 'domain.com' or '.domain.com'
[23:03:05] 	Great, thanks flyingparchment 
[23:03:09] 	jinx
[23:04:17] 	Hmm
[23:04:21] 	That was less painful than I thought :p
[23:05:26] 	...this one is probably easy but I haven't been able to find the answer in any of the Help files I've looked at...
[23:06:10] 	What's the markup to make both an image and a phrase link to the same internal page?
[23:06:48] 	e.g an arrow icon and the phrase "Next Page" to link to the next page in a Wiki book.
[23:07:23] 	Preferably I'd like these to all be on the same line.
[23:08:22] 	!imagelink | Stevie_b
[23:08:22] --mwbot--	Stevie_b: Image linking is intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page is always available. If you need image links, see  for methods and information.
[23:08:45] 	the probably nicest solution is:
[23:08:46] 	!icons
[23:08:46] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "icons".
[23:08:51] 	bah
[23:08:53] 	!icon
[23:08:53] --mwbot--	
[23:08:56] 	there
[23:09:09] 	03(FIXED) Create wikimediaru-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14292  +comment (10cbass)
[23:10:05] 	...Thank you very much!  ...I'll give these methods a try.
[23:11:17] 	what about the Media: namespace doesnt that link to the image rather than the description?
[23:11:35] 	bah not namespace I mean [[Media:Imagefoo.png]]
[23:12:36] 	that makes a text link to an image description page
[23:12:45] 	what they want is an  link *not* to the image description page
[23:12:53] 	k
[23:12:55] 	both can be called "image link" so it is a bit ambiguous
[23:16:17] 	The best method I've come up with so far is
[23:16:29] 	{{navimg|xsize=16|ysize=16|image=Teal_SmallHomeIcon.gif|link=TOC}} [[TOC|Table of Content]]
[23:16:46] 	brion: have you any idea about bug 14124 -> Ensure NewUserMessage will work correctly with unified accounts
[23:17:09] 	but this puts the text on a different line than the "icon" (linked image)
[23:18:34] 	Mike_lifeguard: wtf does that refer to?
[23:18:39] 	an extension we don't use?
[23:18:42] 	or something else?
[23:18:49] 	Common wants to use it though
[23:19:15] 	"this can't be done", "that can't be done", "this & that is discouraged", "this is not recommended"... sheesh
[23:19:20] 	but only if it will work properly once SUL is rolled out for all (ie now)
[23:19:31] 	always what can't be done
[23:21:35] 	06(LATER) BZ notification mails misbehave with long email addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14249  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:03] 	Stevie_b, I don't know if this will work for you, but this has worked for me: [{{fullurl::url}} {{SERVER}}/w/images/subdirectory/subdirectory/image.png]
[23:24:35] 	that just links the image though
[23:25:26] 	that also requires external images be enabled
[23:27:02] 	03(mod) activate edit api on en-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14210  +comment (10nospam)
[23:29:50] 	03(mod)  You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301  +comment (10charlie)
[23:30:31] 	gah, my wiki markup failed in that bug comment :P
[23:33:57] 	03river * r35448 10/trunk/tools/php_perusersessionsavepath/perusersessionsavepath.c: do the ini modify in RINIT instead of MINIT, and change the variable type
[23:40:23] 	03aaron * r35449 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (6 files): * Revert back and fix include cache
[23:42:58] 	03river * r35450 10/trunk/tools/php_perusersessionsavepath/perusersessionsavepath.c: show the per-user session save path in phpinfo(
[23:47:09] 	03brion * r35451 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.php CentralAuthHooks.php): 
[23:47:09] 	Add $wgCentralAuthCreateOnView config var to control the autocreation on page view for global sessions.
[23:47:09] 	It's a bit annoying at the moment; clogging logs and freaking people out as they gain accounts without realizing they're visiting various sites, such as CSS and JS pulled from shared sites.
[23:47:09] 	Would strongly prefer to reduce this to active behaviors at this time (edit, login, etc).
[23:50:17] 	14(WFM) DISPLAYTITLE converts underscores to spaces. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11540  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:51:33] *amidaniel 	greets ^demon 
[23:51:46] *^demon 	waves
[23:54:00] 	03aaron * r35452 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: logic error
[23:55:11] 	hrm.
[23:55:29] 	anyone here happen to know which template I should use to include a (fair use) snippet of lyrics on en.wikipedia?
[23:56:05] 	Probably better asked in #wikipedia
[23:56:07] <^demon>	derwin: Ask in #wikipedia-en. They'd probably know.
[23:56:32] 	thx
[23:56:42] 	brion: do you have any plans in the near future to implement global talk page change notifications like wikia has?
[23:57:10] 	not atm
[23:57:32] <^demon>	amidaniel: Bug 11463 is kinda funny. It's asking for a confirmation page or somesuch when a null edit is made.
[23:57:50] *amidaniel 	reads
[23:57:54] 	brion: regarding a bug in bugzilla, do you have any plans to make it Single Sign-on, and also Single logout (per se)?
[23:58:30] 	bugzilla currently has no integration with out wiki logins, and this is not currently planned
[23:58:41] 	*our
[23:58:43] 	Hmmm .. love the poetic phrasing off the bug :)
[23:58:57] <^demon>	amidaniel: I love the story about the potentially disenfrancised user :-P
[23:59:10] <^demon>	*disheartened, rather.
[23:59:12] 	"He tries again. All seems to proceed well, but he is at a loss
[23:59:12] 	why his summary doesn't appear anywhere. It's as if he was only
[23:59:13] 	just dreaming he hit Save Page."
[23:59:22] 	hehe
[23:59:44] <^demon>	Extension:BigWarningOnNullEdit?
[23:59:57] 	how would bugzilla be incorporated even in theory? editing would have to be restricted to ['emailconfirmed'] or such?}