[12:07:21] or about "bla foo" [12:07:28] not to mention I can't see ******* indentation here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/MessageCache.php?annotate=35262 [12:07:40] well, one space is *usually* the same as many spaces. except in
.
[12:07:51] 	one space or no space is a hell of a difference.
[12:08:04] 	xhtml has no awareness of multiple whitespaces outside of text element
[12:08:24] 	or anybody who has little time can fix it
[12:08:28] 	xml has a directive for preserving whitespace
[12:08:41] 	as a tag attribute, and as a parser option in the standard apis
[12:08:48] 	I have to go eating and I don't have my ssh keys on these computers
[12:08:55] 	bye
[12:09:39] 	ialex, sounds like I'm going to modify the code that generates the Category pages :) I can't ask my users to do something as illogical as that :D
[12:10:11] 	:)
[12:10:47] 	btw: from which table are category pages generated?
[12:14:54] 	josch|nsn: categorylinks. after importing a dump, you need to run the refreshLinks maintenance script to build all link tables.
[12:15:10] 	note that this will take *long*
[12:15:17] 	longer than importing with mwdumper
[12:15:35] 	Duesentrieb_: or i just also download the ready to use sql dump of these tables :P
[12:15:50] 	i bothered a whole week populating these tables
[12:16:01] 	josch|nsn: they would only work if the page ids are the same in your db. i don
[12:16:02] 	before i saw that i could have downloaded them...
[12:16:05] 	ialex, ah, I think I understand the problem (at last :D). It currenty does something like 'select * from pages where cat = 'bla' order by pagename limit 200' while I would expect it to first sort on page type (normale page, subcat or image) and then on pagename.
[12:16:07] 	don't think they are
[12:16:24] 	Duesentrieb_: why wouldnt they? are they not preserved by mwdumper?
[12:16:50] 	josch|nsn: you can import dumps from several sources into the same wiki. preserving the internal id would lead to conflicts
[12:17:13] 	maybe it preserves the id if it's not yet taken. but i doubt it
[12:17:17] 	03ialex * r35478 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MessageCache.php: E_NOTICE: undefined variable $code in MessageCache::saveToCaches()
[12:17:25] 	huh? but why should i take my dump from different sources?
[12:17:59] 	josch|nsn: because maybe you want to import templates from wikipedia and help pages from mediawiki.org, and transfer some pages of another wiki of yours.
[12:18:12] 	xml dumps are for transfering pages, not necessarily copying entire wikis.
[12:18:35] 	then i have to check that
[12:18:43] 	you should
[12:18:52] 	i'm only interested in dumps from download.wikipedia.org
[12:19:55] 	anyway, if you need to run the refreshlinks script on wikipedia data, find out how to run it on predefined ranges of page-ids, and then run multiple instances on multiple computers. it should scale with every processor core you throw at it, as long as your database stays cool. usually, the bottlenext is processor power needed for pa	josch|nsn: there are close to 800 wikis there.
[12:20:44] 	and even if you only ever want to import from a single source, that doesn't change the fact that the xml import is a general page transfer mechanism.
[12:20:53] 	which must avoid id conflicts
[12:20:57] 	okay
[12:21:17] 	i'm currently in the process of buying a quadcore just for this work
[12:21:20] 	though *maybe* mwdumper handles this differently than importDUmp.php does. but i doubt it preserves page ids. i'd be very surprised
[12:21:34] 	i already noticed that i get better results with prallel processes
[12:21:39] 	well, with a quadcore, you'd still want to run three or four instances of the programm
[12:21:52] 	and that it's mostly the cpu as a bottlenck and not my harddrive
[12:22:08] 	guys
[12:22:12] 	from some reason this wikipedia website about MSNP ( http://msnpiki.msnfanatic.com/index.php/Main_Page ) is being spammed by bots or something
[12:22:20] 	Duesentrieb: of course! running only one on a quad would be pintless ^^
[12:22:22] 	some of the guys there (including me) keep using the history to edit it, but it's really hard when the bots keep doing it all over again and faster
[12:22:31] 	anyway to block their access or protect the pages or something?
[12:22:37] 	!spam | Sawiner
[12:22:37] --mwbot--	Sawiner: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see  and .
[12:22:43] 	Sawiner: also, that
[12:22:49] 	err. that's not *Wikipedia*
[12:23:01] 	!help
[12:23:01] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[12:23:05] 	media wiki right, sorry :P
[12:23:13] 	03werdna * r35479 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuthHooks.php SpecialMergeAccount.php): 
[12:23:13] 	* Disallow blocked users from merging their accounts.
[12:23:13] 	* Respect hooks when autocreating a user account due to a global session cookie.
[12:23:48] 	Duesentrieb
[12:23:51] 	i'm not the owner of the website
[12:23:54] 	how can i change that configuration ?
[12:24:20] 	Sawiner: talk to the owner.
[12:24:29] 	no idea who is it :|
[12:25:44] 	"This wiki is powered by MediaWiki, copyright (C) 2001-2006 Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik M?ller, and others."
[12:26:56] 	anyone knows them? :S
[12:27:21] 	Sawiner: the first person to ever edit the main page on that wiki was http://msnpiki.msnfanatic.com/index.php/User:James
[12:27:45] 	Sawiner: uh... those are the programmers who wrote mediawiki. they can't access your installaation...
[12:28:08] 	my instaliation?
[12:28:12] 	who said it's mine :|
[12:28:19] 	well, the one you are talking about
[12:28:24] 	programmers edited and helped created the website
[12:28:33] 	and when i say created i mean put info on it
[12:28:41] 	the creators aren't the programmers, i don't think so anyway
[12:28:48] 	Sawiner: there is "us", the programmers. and there's "you", the user. but there's also "him", the site's owner and administrator. who is the only one who can access the configuration.
[12:28:59] 	actually
[12:29:00] 	"There are 1,068 registered users, of which 3 (or 0.28%) are administrators (see Project:Administrators)."
[12:29:04] 	3 administraitors
[12:29:09] 	doesn't say who they are though
[12:29:12] 	wiki-admins are not site-admins
[12:29:17] 	not neccessarily anyway
[12:29:18] 	ho
[12:29:26] 	wiki-admins can change some stuff, but not core config
[12:29:35] 	how can i know the site's owner?
[12:29:54] 	you can't. but the admisn will probably know. 
[12:30:13] 	and the first admin and/or person who first edited is usually also the sites owner or admin
[12:30:27] 	which is "James", see the link i gave you
[12:30:40] 	you can also always look up who owns the domain.
[12:30:41] 	doesn't help me much, just give me a note he wrote
[12:30:45] 	i can't acutlaly contact him or something
[12:30:51] 	Duesentrieb how do i do that?
[12:31:37] 	Sawiner: whois msnfanatic.com   
[12:31:45] 	Matthias Braekevelt
[12:31:52] 	matthias.braekevelt AT telenet.be
[12:32:00] 	that doesn't say he actually runs the site
[12:32:05] 	he just registered the domain#
[12:32:12] 	but it's another good starting point to find out more
[12:32:31] 	telenet.be ? matthias.braekevelt ? what are those? addressed? what type? :S
[12:32:42] 	it's an email address.
[12:32:47] 	ialex: thanks
[12:32:53] 	i just replaces the @ with AT
[12:32:58] 	as is customary
[12:33:11] 	never knew that custom hehe, but ok got it ty :}
[12:33:43] 	it's supposed to throw off harvesters. it proabbly only works for the most stupid ones. but that's probably enough
[12:34:10] 	Sawiner: never write down your email in clear text in irc
[12:34:23] 	Sawiner: but why don't you talk to that James guy? as i said, he was the first to edit the main page, and he's still active
[12:34:29] 	there's an edit from today on his talk page
[12:34:55] 	josch|nsn: well, if you have it in clear text in the whoid record anyway, it doesn't matter so terribly much i guess :)
[12:35:02] 	*whois
[12:36:10] 	Sawiner: as a matter of fact, he was inactive quite a while, but has been doing stuff yesterday and today :) http://msnpiki.msnfanatic.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/James
[12:36:14] 	Sawiner: logs are your freinds.
[12:36:43] 	the spam probelm on that site seems nsty though
[12:36:44] 	http://msnpiki.msnfanatic.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges
[12:37:41] 	anyone know if there's a way to tell if any modules in sites/all AREN'T being used in a multi-site install?
[12:38:10] 	sites/all? huh?
[12:38:10] 	yup, ty again
[12:38:15] 	and "uesed"... how?
[12:38:55] 	naught102: this is #mediawiki -- not #drupal-support
[12:39:06] 	hehe, whoops, sorry
[12:39:15] 	too many tabs
[12:43:34] 	03(mod) Diffs should take sections into account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14307  (10N/A)
[12:49:58] 	03(NEW) Email confirmation date resets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14308 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[12:53:15] 	03(NEW) Unified Login: Account were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (jeroenvrp)
[12:56:24] 	03(CLOSED) CentralAuth: Update for Polish language (pl) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14289  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[12:59:00] 	03(mod) Unified Login: Account were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  (10N/A)
[13:04:09] 	03(mod) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  summary (10jeroenvrp)
[13:13:00] 	03mkroetzsch * r35480 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Hooks.php: mfixed missing wfProfileOut
[13:20:06] 	Hi
[13:23:09] 	03(mod) wfAcceptToPrefs doesn' t support spaces in the Accept header string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14273  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:23:17] 	03(mod) 1.12 upload fails on Windows Server (was: Uploading broken after 1.12 upgrade) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14213  (10mr-smoke)
[13:40:17] 	03(mod) wfAcceptToPrefs doesn' t support spaces in the Accept header string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14273  (10mark)
[13:43:36] 	03(FIXED) Diffs should take sections into account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14307  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:46:29] 	03(mod) by default, every user should see the newest revision at german wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14306   +shell (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:51:08] 	03mkroetzsch * r35481 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Hooks.php: code layout/typos in comments
[13:59:18] 	03aaron * r35482 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: More diff cleanup
[13:59:19] 	03yaron * r35483 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_UploadWindow.php: New special page used for file uploading
[14:00:41] 	03yaron * r35484 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/libs/floatbox.js: The Floatbox Javascript library, by Byron McGregor; used for file uploading
[14:01:02] 	03yaron * r35485 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/skins/floatbox.css: CSS file for the Floatbox library
[14:01:17] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:02:15] 	AaronSchulz: good morning :)
[14:03:05] 	AaronSchulz: [[Special:UnreviewedPages]] does not work, only the localized name [[Special:Ungesichtete_Seiten]]
[14:03:21] 	03yaron * r35486 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/skins/ (close.png loading.gif): Images for Floatbox-based file uploading
[14:03:25] 	Spezial:UnreviewedPages does
[14:03:37] 	try http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:UnreviewedPages
[14:04:04] 	works fine
[14:04:10] 	nope
[14:04:24] 	you must have made the wrong url ;)
[14:04:40] 	I'm browsing that link right now
[14:05:10] 	AaronSchulz: hehe... it works if I switch my interface language to 'en' but it doesn't work with interface language 'de'
[14:05:57] 	Special:UnreviewedPages works too
[14:06:40] 	'Ungesichtete_Seiten'
[14:06:45] 	eww, underscores ;)
[14:06:59] 	has the autologin on other wikis gotten disabled?
[14:07:03] 	03yaron * r35487 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/ (SF_AddData.php SF_EditData.php): 
[14:07:03] 	Added includes for new Floatbox Javascript and CSS files; added retrieval
[14:07:03] 	of hidden timestamp information from form
[14:07:11] 	AaronSchulz: pls switch your your preferences to 'de' and try again
[14:08:49] 	03yaron * r35488 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Added 'is_uploadable' field to SFFormTemplateField class
[14:11:07] 	03yaron * r35489 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php: Added 'arraymaptemplate' function, plus minor improvements to sfRenderArrayMap
[14:11:26] 	Raymond_: I'll have to look at MW core for that
[14:11:36] 	aliases from extensions seem wonked
[14:11:38] 	AaronSchulz: thanks in advance :)
[14:11:56] 	adding an alias should not break the old name
[14:12:07] 	right
[14:12:30] 	maybe Raymond_ can fix it :)
[14:12:35] *AaronSchulz 	goes to class
[14:12:41] 	AaronSchulz: the hook should use the language code given in second param
[14:13:15] 	03simetrical * r35490 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRecentchanges.php: $fname -> __FUNCTION__
[14:13:15] 	maybe ialex can fix it.... *hides*
[14:14:23] 	AaronSchulz: what's the group "Editor" on dewp?
[14:14:28] 	wfMsgExt( $msg, array( 'language' => $code ) )
[14:14:37] 	03yaron * r35491 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Added timestamp parameters to sffPrintRedirectForm(), added sffGetAllPagesForProperty_1_0()
[14:15:57] 	03(NEW) SUL: auto-autoconfirmation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14310 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (azatoth)
[14:16:18] 	03yaron * r35492 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_AutocompleteAPI.php: Added handling of 'property=' call
[14:23:54] 	what's up?
[14:24:29] 	03yaron * r35493 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[14:24:29] 	Added handling for new field parameters 'uploadable', 'autocomplete on property',
[14:24:29] 	'autocomplete on category', 'no autocomplete' and 'maxlength'; added hidden
[14:24:29] 	timestamp information to form
[14:26:00] 	http://pastebin.ca/1032122
[14:26:01] 	03yaron * r35494 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/README: Added Floatbox description
[14:26:04] 	is this patch OK?
[14:26:16] 	03yaron * r35495 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.2
[14:30:02] 	HardDisk_WP, you need to add it to DefaultSettings.php too.
[14:30:17] 	Duesentrieb, are you there?
[14:30:24] 	Also, what's the point of the extra "CC" and "" cases if they're just going to fall over to default?  Just omit those lines.
[14:31:02] 	And you could define $ircline more compactly, like array( 'url' => $url, 'title' => $title, ... )
[14:32:34] 	Simetrical, ok, thanks...
[14:35:33] 	03ialex * r35496 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: 
[14:35:33] 	Fixes to special pages aliases:
[14:35:33] 	* Use language code given in $code, so it doesn't change depending of the user language
[14:35:33] 	* Add the default name, because if MediaWiki find an alias, it won't add the default name in that list
[14:38:29] 	Simetrical, http://pastebin.ca/1032135 => better?
[14:38:40] 	did someone already used jeditable (From jQuery)?
[14:41:12] 	does anyone know if there's a PHPShell channel?
[14:41:40] 	03(NEW) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14311 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (siebrand)
[14:44:33] 	AaronSchulz: check my last commit for special pages in flaggedrevs stuff
[14:45:54] 	And something else (unrelated) I've been curious about: Magnus Manske, Lee Daniel Crocker, Erik M�ller, Gabriel Wicke, �var Arnfj�r� Bjarmason, Niklas Laxstr�m... Do they ever come in here? (And for the last time, what happened to Rob Church??)
[14:51:04] 	Sasoriza: möeller, niklas and me are sometimes here I think
[14:51:49] 	I think rob burned out as people immersed in some project are wont to
[14:54:28] 	wot
[14:54:32] 	03nikerabbit * r35497 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ContributionScores.php: * PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getID() on a non-object
[14:54:40] 	I'm always here
[14:58:01] 	does anybody know what RoanKattouw wanted to poke me about?
[14:58:29] 	nope
[15:11:18] 	Platonides: Curious as to why your bot accesses the toolserver... ;)
[15:12:06] 	03(NEW) Karakalpak messages updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14312 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (alefzet)
[15:17:18] 	03mkroetzsch * r35498 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: better layout for special property table
[15:24:05] 	Geez, one feature per a commit OK; but seriously, do we really need one commit per a file.
[15:25:33] 	03mkroetzsch * r35499 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Settings.php): Stores are now simply selected by class name (using autoload)
[15:30:35] 	MinuteElectron : i agree, that is a bit excessive
[15:37:50] 	04(REOPENED)  Use date_default_timezone_* instead of TZ environment variable if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7715  (10alefzet)
[15:38:38] 	03(mod)  Use date_default_timezone_* instead of TZ environment variable if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7715  (10alefzet)
[15:48:58] 	03(mod)  Use date_default_timezone_* instead of TZ environment variable if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7715  minor->major; normal->high (10alefzet)
[16:08:09] 	Is any extra configuration need to make MediaWiki recognize ?
[16:09:14] 	yes you need syntax highlighter extension
[16:10:17] 	display of large blocks of source breaks in my browser
[16:10:25] 	when scrolling down the page
[16:10:28] 	hi brion 
[16:10:53] *Xiong 	bows to brion
[16:11:09] 	mornin
[16:11:24] 	you wake late
[16:15:26] 	hello brion
[16:16:23] 	Howdy all
[16:16:41] 	morning? it's afternoon! :D
[16:18:04] 	think just because you moved to California you have to live by California time now? ;)
[16:18:10] 	03(NEW) Newly created article isn't marked as 'gesichtet' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14313 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (wikipedia)
[16:18:13] 	I have a question about the navigation menu if anyone has a moment.  I'm designing my own skin and in the navigation menu there is an if statement for $val['active'].  It doesn't look like this is to show the "active page".  Any know what $val['active'] represents?
[16:20:15] 	brion, may I ask you to review some small stuff of code, please?
[16:21:00] 	OK, if I don't need syntax highlightning I can just use  right? Without any extra extensions?
[16:21:42] 	Or [16:23:21] 	ty Dantman,  works as I expected  to.
[16:23:40] 	what was the tool that shows active admins on a certain project?
[16:23:53] 	pre as a terminated empty element? How does that work?
[16:24:05] 	alnokta2: http://toolserver.org/~vvv/adminstats.php
[16:24:47] 	"Can't run this tool on English Wikipedia, it's too big" lol
[16:24:49] 	heh... just a XHTML nut... I prefer to self close tags when explaining them
[16:25:34] 	VasilievVV, there was one that shows active in the last hour 
[16:25:44] 	Тщ швуфы ерут
[16:25:48] 	*Not ideas then
[16:25:52] 	**no
[16:26:20] 	k 
[16:26:42] 	So anyone at all know what the if statement for $val['active'] if the navigation menu creation is for?
[16:27:03] 	hi
[16:27:10] 	the variable {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Kategorienname}} is great
[16:27:26] 	but i did'nt want to say "here are 30 Articles in the category XY"
[16:27:44] 	i want a index from all in Arcticles in the kategorie XYZ
[16:28:05] 	i will just look at delete log
[16:30:24] 	nobody have a idea?
[16:31:07] 	dycve4 : i would guesstimate that if nothing like this exists then you should take a look at the category.php includes file and copy the index generator from there and make a simple extension..
[16:31:09] 	:)
[16:31:30] 	OMG! that is to mutch for me
[16:31:37] 	im not a programmer
[16:31:56] 	its to strong for me :(
[16:32:06] 	im a stupid user
[16:32:09] 	dycve4 never a better time to start :P -> or there might be an extension that does this
[16:32:20] 	not a hacker/programer :-)
[16:32:38] 	well.. then wait around and see if anyone might program this for you :)
[16:33:29] 	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[16:35:18] 	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[16:35:57] 	if you have a user in SUL, you cannot rename it?
[16:37:04] 	Not at the moment
[16:37:41] 	so how to get it out of SUL?
[16:39:20] 	I don't know if that's even possible.
[16:39:46] 	alnokta2: I may drop your SUL account
[16:40:08] 	VasilievVV, its not me .. its a friend
[16:40:42] 	Ask on [[m:SR/SUL]]
[16:42:07] 	Anybody have a second to help and know anything about the skin variables?
[16:45:44] 	Wiredtape: didn't find anything
[16:46:35] 	modem: i have done some skinning
[16:46:41] 	maybe your problem is simple
[16:46:54] 	tell more
[16:47:30] 	dycve4 :-\ try asking again, maybe someone knows about something like that
[16:48:19] 	hello guys! is there a variable or pluign to create a index of articles in categorie xy?
[16:48:33] 	for example  
[16:48:33] 	VasilievVV, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SR/SUL#Bassem_JARKAS
[16:48:52] 	they show all arcticle starting with a under the categorie linux
[16:49:05] 	alnokta2: done
[16:49:10] 	?
[16:49:12] 	Before you told me that :)
[16:49:19] 	:)
[16:49:21] 	cool
[16:55:02] 	03aaron * r35500 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Remove diff from preview (bug 14305)
[16:55:06] 	03(FIXED)  Remove diff from preview when editing an unflagged revision of a flagged article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14305  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:07:08] 	03(NEW) Special: AddData should catch PHP error when template specified in form is invalid ( not a title) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14314 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dan_the_man)
[17:09:09] 	Xiong: Are you still available?
[17:10:01] 	hello
[17:10:27] 	hi Nikerabbit 
[17:10:40] 	haudi
[17:11:01] 	in what language is that? 
[17:15:37] 	Raymond_: can you remove the underscores from those aliases?
[17:15:43] 	they look evil
[17:16:50] 	Anyone able to shed some light on a skinning/navigation question?   I'm designing my own skin and in the navigation menu there is an if statement for $val['active'].  It doesn't look like this is to show the "active page".  Any know what $val['active'] represents? 
[17:17:25] 	AaronSchulz: I can... but I have learned, that they are necessary... at least at $specialPageAliases in MessagesXX.php
[17:19:05] 	03(mod) Activate write API on production wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14210  summary (10semenik)
[17:19:29] 	which aliases?
[17:20:11] 	nowdays language.php silently converts spaces to underscores for core aliases... can't remember if this is the case for extensions
[17:21:47] 	ModemGuru: check http://www.ehartwell.com/InfoDabble/MediaWiki_custom_navigation_menu_(old_style)
[17:21:57] 	it looks like it's a css class
[17:22:03] 	03aaron * r35501 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: 
[17:22:03] 	*Switch new page check order
[17:22:03] 	*No need to check if title defined
[17:22:11] 	anyone aware of an extension or javascript or something to (dynamically) create "terms" within articles that allow a user to hover their mouse over the term and view the definition
[17:22:52] 	like, it's as simple as wrapping each term in an  tag, but i want it done dynamically with a hook
[17:23:29] 	Nikerabbit: maybe my knowledgte about $specialPageAliases is outdated. Will check it
[17:23:51] 	Raymond__: I mean replace the _ with nothing
[17:23:54] 	not spaces either
[17:23:59] 	the css active class is a link style
[17:24:05] 	like the other special pages
[17:25:03] 	AaronSchulz: other German localized special pages has _ since ages
[17:25:35] 	huh
[17:25:38] 	whatever then :)
[17:25:42] 	Right, I knew it was a style, what I am wondering is what the condition is
[17:26:10] 	The condition is if $val['active'] whereas the style is class="active".  What I am wondering is what sets off the condition
[17:26:34] 	did you look at that page I showed you?
[17:27:05] 	actually, maybe that page doesn't show it
[17:28:11] 	I'm not sure
[17:28:23] 	it makes sense that when the page is loaded, active should always be false
[17:29:18] 	Yeah, what I though it was for was to "highlight" the currently active page in the menu navigation
[17:29:27] 	But it doesn't look like thats it
[17:31:11] 	Hi there -- i've just set up my first MediaWiki installation, and it's all gone fine
[17:31:20] 	03(NEW) enable .ogv uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14315 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (cbass)
[17:31:21] 	except the admin account I created during installation doesn't appear to exist
[17:31:48] 	looking through the 'user' table, it has no entries.
[17:31:56] 	any idea how I can go about creating an admin account? :)
[17:32:25] 	03(FIXED) Newly created article isn't marked as 'gesichtet' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14313  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:32:51] 	03(NEW) Move all core special pages to a subfolder on includes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14316 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (seventowers)
[17:33:04] 	03(mod) Move all core special pages to a subfolder of includes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14316  summary (10seventowers)
[17:34:08] 	any idea, anyone? :)
[17:36:38] 	Seriously a strict standards issue is not a fucking High severity problem dammit.
[17:36:46] 	03(mod) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  (10brion)
[17:41:57] 	could anyone tell me how I can make myself a bureaucrat user? I've just set up mediawiki
[17:43:07] 	03(mod) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  (10brion)
[17:43:08] 	Torn|: You should already be a beauraucrat.
[17:43:41] 	dammit i'm out of snacks :(
[17:43:48] 	can't program on an empty stomach :D
[17:43:59] 	sugar... sugar...
[17:44:47] 	dammit, why are they no decent version control system; subversion is awful when you try to do more than commiting and checking out.
[17:46:09] 	MinuteElectron: nope, don't appear to be. user table was empty after installation :s
[17:46:11] 	should I reinstall?
[17:46:32] 	i'll try doing it in FireFox if that helps. might be an opera bug..
[17:47:12] 	or, is there any way for me to edit the database and give an account I make bureaucrat rights
[17:47:43] 	Torn|: It isn't.
[17:47:48] 	Torn|: Do you have shell access?
[17:48:55] 	nope; shared using phpmyadmin and ftp
[17:49:09] 	I have full access to the db using that
[17:50:30] 	03aaron * r35502 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Break long line
[17:51:21] 	I'll just reinstall. is there an easy way for me to do it, or do I have to wipe the db
[17:52:39] 	03aaron * r35503 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Code style tweaks
[17:52:54] 	you have to enter captcha on *every* edit on ptwiki
[17:54:25] 	03minuteelectron * r35504 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:54:25] 	* Revert r35469.
[17:54:25] 	* For some reason PHP doesn't always report errors even when error reporting is set to maxmium.
[17:54:25] 	* The date\time system needs some sort of work doing to it, there is stuff for it spread everywhere and no definite timezone.
[17:54:25] 	* Regardless, an E_STRICT level error does not constitute a major severity and High priority bug.
[17:55:13] 	03(mod)  Use date_default_timezone_* instead of TZ environment variable if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7715  major->normal; high->normal; +comment (10minuteelectron)
[18:00:00] 	Is there a standard template/format for the special pages?
[18:00:06] 	brion-away, i'm getting "
[18:00:08] 	Login error:
[18:00:09] 	Incorrect password entered. Please try again. " when trying to login (sul) in nowiki.. my account works properly on other wikis
[18:01:11] 	alnokta, thats more of a #wikimedia-tech query...
[18:04:31] 	domas: when the varnish box is doing 4500 reqs it is using 30% of the CPU
[18:04:49] 	and being roughly 7 times faster than squid at delivering the same page from cache
[18:04:55] 	1 ms mean versus 7ms mean
[18:05:47] 	crucially, now varnish cache works properly with mw?
[18:06:03] 	define works properly
[18:06:57] 	well, i once installed it and it didn't purge the cached pages when it was asked to
[18:08:33] 	Note to self... never enable MW logging to a log file unless you need it...
[18:08:46] 	Dantman|FS, duh ;-)
[18:08:53] 	why..?
[18:09:06] 	gotta love huuuuuuuuuuge debug.log logfiles ^_^
[18:09:18] 	heh
[18:09:23] 	^_^ It chewed through my disk space like a fat person through a pile of doughnuts
[18:09:26] 	Raymond__: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=prev&oldid=46585180
[18:09:28] 	heh
[18:09:37] 	did anyone discuss that?
[18:10:02] 	alnokta2: yes, i wrote a htcp2varnish purger
[18:10:05] 	AaronSchulz: i know... only complains about this notice :(
[18:10:24] 	At least logrotate removes old syslogs
[18:10:41] 	God annoyingly spams that up
[18:11:14] 	Though... I honnestly need to get more of my logs on logrotate
[18:12:50] 	^_^ there we go... I was previously getting 'out of disk space' errors... And now after deleting /var/log/mediawiki I'm down to 22%
[18:19:07] 	alnokta2: 10 000 reqs and it is using 70% of one cpu
[18:20:26] 	03(NEW) logging in with unified account in another wiki: captcha error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14317 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (nicdumz)
[18:20:41] 	^^ strange regression
[18:21:28] 	NicDumZ: you are earlier :) Have seen the same effect
[18:21:38] 	;)
[18:21:53] 	Okki reported it on #fr
[18:22:18] 	I don't know how to describe this problem well.  My mediawiki is www.religionisfree.org - Nothing I do is saving - after going to a new page once logged in, I am logged out.  If I use "remember this user" I can navigate, but I am unable to safe page or settings changes.  Such as changing the skin I am using, it doesn't apply the change.
[18:23:03] 	crucially, and if it is a squid, it would use more?
[18:23:13] 	it would die
[18:23:20] 	:)
[18:23:41] 	When I attempt to edit a page I get, "Preview
[18:23:41] 	Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in. 
[18:23:42] 	"
[18:23:58] 	thats bsd programming effect then
[18:24:37] 	I really didn't install or do anything that changed anything... blarg.
[18:24:48] 	I installed and heavily modified a skin, that's about it.
[18:25:02] 	Hello, if I had content on one wiki, and I wanted to split the content into two new wikis, what would I need to do to auth user accounts from both wikis to one user table? Is there a setting for this in LocalSettings?
[18:26:15] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  (10derbeth)
[18:31:39] 	domas: 20 000 requests per second on 280% cpu
[18:31:41] 	beat that
[18:31:44] 	that is 10 of your squids
[18:31:53] 	theoretically I can push it to 50 0000
[18:31:53] 	:p
[18:33:22] 	03brion * r35505 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/User.php): 
[18:33:22] 	* (bug 6957) E-mail confirmation links now using English special page name
[18:33:22] 	 for better compatibility and keeping the links shorter. Avoids problem
[18:33:22] 	 with corrupt links in Gmail on IE 6.
[18:33:48] 	anyone have an opinion on the best way to use mediawiki as a simple task tracking system
[18:34:24] 	i was thinking of mimicing how wikitravel or semeb.com do it..
[18:35:09] 	03(FIXED) Email confirmation links get mangled in MSIE 6 and webmail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6957  +comment (10brion)
[18:36:25] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  (10innocentkiller)
[18:38:43] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[18:38:52] 	hello Jack_Phoenix :)
[18:38:56] 	rar
[18:43:31] 	03brion * r35506 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Revert r35476, r35479 -- breaks first login with global account when ConfirmEdit is present.
[18:47:25] 	03(FIXED) logging in with unified account in another wiki: captcha error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14317  +comment (10brion)
[18:51:37] 	hey people um I have an idea for an extension that I know other people have talked about before but I can't find where
[18:52:38] 	its basically for personal web sties that use mediawiki because the author wants to allow people to correct his errors but not to change his intensions
[18:53:38] 	so instead of "edit" you have "suggest" and the new versions appear in history but the article doesn't actually change until a new version is approved by a sysop or moderator or whatever
[18:53:46] 	03shinjiman * r35507 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[18:54:29] 	anybody know what that would be called or if it's been implemented anywhere?
[18:54:42] 	FlaggedRevs
[18:55:02] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  (10derbeth)
[18:55:26] 	!e FlaggedRevs
[18:55:26] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[18:56:14] 	ah thanks AaronShulz. closest thing i was able to find is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[18:56:19] 	oops
[18:56:25] 	 i meant http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DocumentApproval
[18:56:39] 	03(FIXED) Single login (Unified login) on all wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  +comment (10brion)
[18:56:53] 	fixed?!?!
[18:57:30] *^demon 	dances
[18:57:54] 	\o/
[18:58:04] 	join #wikimedia-tech
[18:58:06] 	-.-
[18:58:07] 	wow nice
[18:58:10] 	hehe
[18:58:33] 	that flaggedrevs thing looks pretty awesome but troublesome to install
[18:58:54] 	get me thinking though - i ought to learn how content management systems work
[18:58:59] 	howdy. "Error, Setup.php must be included from the file scope, after DefaultSettings.php"
[18:59:05] 	in maintenance script
[18:59:15] 	i've never created a site using one ... does anyone know of a good one? :)
[18:59:15] 	deleteBatch.php
[18:59:21] 	Speaking of unified login, what do I do if I have an account I can't unify because it doesn't have email and I forgot the password?
[19:00:11] 	Dashiva: Have a bureaucrat rename the account?
[19:00:52] 	And the account has no contributions at all :)
[19:00:56] 	fixed after nearly four years :|
[19:01:22] <^demon>	Alrighty, now on to bug 58!
[19:01:49] 	rofl
[19:02:13] 	Dashiva: if we fix special:centralauth a steward can reattach it for you
[19:02:19] 	okays
[19:03:00] 	03(mod) Single login (Unified login) on all wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  (10l8qjvx002)
[19:04:12] 	people in CC og bug 57 will recieve some messages today :)
[19:04:19] 	*of
[19:04:27] 	is it possible to somehow pull nothing bot an article's content?
[19:06:00] 	no header, footer, or anything like that. I'm trying include an article's content, or a template, with a HTTPRequest
[19:07:05] 	03huji * r35508 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations
[19:07:23] 	Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in.  >:(
[19:10:13] 	gah, can't remember my passwords
[19:11:40] <^demon>	mikedub: API call?
[19:15:04] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  (10innocentkiller)
[19:15:35] <^demon>	What part of "Changing how categories handle sorting because one project wants it" doesn't get across?
[19:16:29] 	^demon: anything really.
[19:17:15] 	03brion * r35509 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/GlobalFunctions.php): 
[19:17:15] 	* (bug 14273) Fix for HTTP Accept header parsing with spaces as from Konqueror
[19:17:15] 	Also went ahead and had it normalize all values to floats rather than a mix of ints and strings.
[19:17:24] <^demon>	mikedub: Take a look at /api.php, you should be able to find what you're wanting. Roan knows more, if he's around.
[19:17:48] 	03(FIXED) wfAcceptToPrefs doesn' t support spaces in the Accept header string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14273  +comment (10brion)
[19:17:53] 	err, actually:
[19:17:58] 	mikedub: action=render
[19:18:35] 	hmm
[19:19:00] 	that's wicked
[19:19:04] 	03aaron * r35510 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Rename to 'suppressionlog' so it's more obvious
[19:19:44] 	perfect!
[19:21:25] 	brion, does that mean we should change our passwords unilaterally?
[19:21:54] 	03(mod) Incorrect parameters for MediaWiki:Blockedtext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14295  +comment (10huji.huji)
[19:22:05] 	hm?
[19:22:16] 	so they'd be the same for all projects
[19:22:25] 	there's no need
[19:22:27] 	k
[19:23:15] 	03ialex * r35511 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Per r35510: here too
[19:23:17] *flyingparchment 	wonders how you change a password multilaterally
[19:24:33] 	well see, here's what I mean: I try signing into test wiki. Tells me incorrect password.
[19:24:47] 	03raymond * r35512 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Per r35510: Rename right message too
[19:27:02] 	ok, nm, figured it out
[19:27:49] 	03raymond * r35513 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_arab.php MessagesKk_cyrl.php MessagesKk_latn.php): Localisation updates Kazahk (bug 12145)
[19:29:41] 	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:31:36] 	03(NEW) new wiki as internal workingspace for the dewiki arbcom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14318 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (thogol)
[19:33:54] 	03(mod) new wiki as internal workingspace for the dewiki arbcom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14318   +shell (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:35:16] 	03raymond * r35514 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/classes/LanguageKaa.php): (bug 14312) Update LanguageKaa.php for handling transform issues
[19:35:46] 	03(FIXED) Karakalpak messages updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14312  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:38:17] 	03(mod) Technical updates to bs.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13451  (10demicx)
[19:38:50] 	03raymond * r35515 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates German
[19:38:57] 	there's a bullshit wikipedia?
[19:39:05] 	lolz
[19:39:19] 	btw, hi AaronSchulz and sorry for my duplicate bug reports
[19:45:36] 	If I wanted just a infobox at the bottom of pages like here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Dragons_of_Outland what would be the best place to do this in?
[19:50:13] 	04(REOPENED) Closure of several Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13967  +comment (10spacebirdy)
[19:51:22] 	tekmosis, you mean where it says "Dragons of Outland (volume 1)"?
[19:51:30] 	03raymond * r35516 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImagePage.php): * (bug 14146) Wrap usage section on imagepages into s.
[19:52:17] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: Doesn't en qualify?
[19:52:47] 	Sasoriza, sorry I should have been a bit clear. The very bottom with history, article rating, share this article
[19:52:54] 	03(FIXED)  Replace classes mw-imagepage-duplicates and -linktoimage with ids on image description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14146  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:54:11] 	for what?
[19:54:41] <^demon>	(3:38:56 PM) AaronSchulz: there's a bullshit wikipedia?
[19:55:16] 	if you removed article, template, and category pages
[19:55:32] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#p-lang
[19:55:37] 	grade A 100% pasteurized 
[19:55:48] 	mmm...milk
[19:55:58] 	mv faith_in_humanity /dev/null
[19:56:01] <^demon>	Ooh. Bring me some.
[19:56:37] 	03(mod) Incorrect parameters for MediaWiki:Blockedtext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14295  (10huji.huji)
[19:58:04] 	03(NEW) Change the local time on sq.Wikipedia from UTC to CEST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14319 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (pm_eagle)
[19:58:14] 	03(mod) enable .ogv uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14315  (10N/A)
[19:59:08] 	03(mod) Change the local time on sq.Wikipedia from UTC to CEST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14319   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[20:03:00] 	hm... does bugzilla have an "oldest open bug" feature?
[20:03:12] 	Duesentrieb: 1
[20:03:13] <^demon>	Bug 1?
[20:03:31] 	1 Documentation is out of date, incomplete
[20:03:33] 	hahaha!
[20:03:55] <^demon>	Granted, documentation is better now than then, but still less than perfect.
[20:04:14] 	someone should close that with WFM, or Later
[20:04:17] 	dude. it's a wiki. it's a process. it's never finished :)
[20:04:30] 	Splarka: WONTFIX
[20:04:32] <^demon>	Splarka: INVALID, WONTFIX?
[20:04:37] <^demon>	Blast.
[20:04:47] 	WMF is fitting, i think
[20:04:48] 	but it will be fixed
[20:04:53] 	WFM even
[20:04:54] 	03(mod) Override title text and formatting from page markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496  (10hartman)
[20:04:56] 	however, by the time it is fixed, it is reopenable
[20:05:05] 	WTF WMF WFM FTW
[20:05:27] *Jack_Phoenix 	recommends WTF ;-)
[20:05:42] 	  ------- Comment  #22 From Rob Church  2006-12-18 16:46:06 UTC  -------
[20:05:42] 	My view is simple. I agree with comment 0. I disagree with closing this bug
[20:05:42] 	until it is solved. Ultimately, it's going to be an ongoing thing, but having
[20:05:42] 	the bug open, at the top of the list, alerts newcomers to the situation and
[20:05:42] 	might encourage them to help us out.
[20:05:51] 	*sniff*
[20:05:56] 	i miss rob. where did he go?
[20:07:00] 	Duesentrieb: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&order=Bug+Number
[20:07:07] 	open bugs sorted by number
[20:07:16] <^demon>	Splarka: Personally, I think it's UNCONFIRMED.
[20:07:34] 	Duesentrieb: "I don.t see myself committing any further code to the mainline, nor any extensions for the foreseeable future." -- 06/11/2007 18:09
[20:07:36] 	{{fact}}
[20:08:13] 	Duesentrieb: Which is quite unfourtunate
[20:08:49] 	yes, i saw that back then. i just wondere what happened.
[20:09:05] 	oh, ok..
[20:09:33] 	Same here. When people vanish like that and never return, I think they died.
[20:10:05] 	Sasoriza: well, he obviously didn't otherwise he wouldn't have posted that...
[20:10:07] 	damn, someone could WONTFIX most of the bugs under 1000 couldn't they
[20:10:22] 	could've afterwards... despite how morbid it sounds
[20:12:08] 	tekmosis, you might want to ask #wikia
[20:12:43] 	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212#c7  never thought of that one...
[20:13:21] <^demon>	Splarka: There's a lot of REMIND/LATER bugs that are wildly outdated (localization updates for 1.5.x, etc)
[20:13:45] 	Splarka: So even the logout module doesn't have POST-required.
[20:13:47] *MinuteElectron 	fixes it.
[20:13:55] 	:)
[20:13:57] 	wait
[20:14:00] 	well
[20:14:05] 	you could do the same with Special:Logout
[20:14:09] 	you could do it as a link to Special:Userlogout
[20:14:10] 	yah
[20:14:22] 	"Great minds think alike", eh? ;->
[20:14:24] 	I've done that before, on Uncyclopedia
[20:14:33] 	with #REDIRECT (when it worked)
[20:14:53] 	bah. googeling for "Rob Church" is futile. I get a bunch of "Armed Men Rob Church" stuff :P
[20:14:54] 	should Special:Userlogout have a POST required?
[20:15:13] 	or a token in all links to it?
[20:15:14] 	Splarka: Not possible, it would mean a button would have to be used to log out (not just a link).
[20:15:36] 	a token... maybe -- sounds like a good idea
[20:15:40] 	in p-persona: Special:Userlogout?logouttoken=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
[20:15:54] 	and without it, a [confirm] button
[20:16:04] 	same as action=purge for anon users
[20:16:14] 	yah
[20:16:14] 	Duesentrieb: LOL
[20:16:28] 	the token would have to be ... hmm... unpredictable
[20:16:40] 	(and the API can be fixed by requiring POST as you said)
[20:17:29] 	hmm
[20:17:54] 	now how could [[Special:Userlogout]] links inline be changed to include the token? or.. should they? perhaps not
[20:18:22] 	actually, on Special:Userlogout you could have a [confirm] button *and* a link with a token
[20:19:55] 	I'm going to be laughing all day at that one
[20:20:53] 	Splarka: but how would you avoid cache the logout token for logged out users??!?!?
[20:21:21] *Splarka 	hopes flying is joking
[20:21:55] 	where the heck is mainpagedocfooter
[20:24:53] 	hi rainman-sr 
[20:25:05] 	hoy
[20:27:29] 	14(DUP) tlh.wikimedia.org on SiteMatrix, but does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14304  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:27:35] 	03(mod) "tlh" wiki on sitematrix does not exist and link to "tlh" wikipedia is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13393  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:28:37] 	03(mod) "tlh" wiki on sitematrix does not exist and link to "tlh" wikipedia is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13393  15enhancement->trivial (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:29:57] 	Are there any known session bugs on MW? So far (new install) a couple users get errors about sessions hijacking and to hit back then refresh the page. Also, a session error when trying to save a page
[20:35:21] 	Simetrical, ping
[20:36:41] 	is there a way to list all pages created in a mediawiki?
[20:36:51] 	pizzahead: special:allpages
[20:37:04] 	i knew it had to be that easy, thanks!
[20:37:14] 	you are welcome :)
[20:37:21] 	Duesentrieb, hi!
[20:38:00] 	Duesentrieb, i tried out what you said and imported the image table and to be sure also the imagelinks table
[20:38:07] 	but nothing changed :(
[20:38:55] 	Is there a flag (in PHP / one of the MW objects) that states that it's a page, not a Special: or Template: etc just a normal ol' page? 
[20:39:15] 	$wgTitle->isSpecial(); ?
[20:39:19] 	josch: th only thing i can think of is parser cache. try an edit preview on one of the pages containing images.
[20:39:31] 	or $wgTitle->isArticle(); maybe?
[20:40:09] 	hmm, I'll take a look into isArticle; thanks (:
[20:40:14] 	MinuteElectron: or $wgTitle->getNamespace() -- depending on what exactly you mean by "plain ol' page"
[20:40:15] 	Duesentrieb, no the preview also has only the link not the  tag
[20:40:56] 	josch: hm... well... i guess... wikipedia uses a lot of images that are not on wikipedia, but on commons.
[20:41:16] 	what is with those images?
[20:41:21] 	so... check if it does work for images that are actually on wikipedia, i.e. in the image table
[20:41:43] 	well, your wiki doesn't know about images from commons. so it doesn't render  tags for them
[20:42:14] 	do you happen to know an article with an original wp image?
[20:42:49] 	josch: no, but i can find one. i.e. look at the list of all local images and check where they are used.
[20:44:12] 	josch: [[Farbrausch]] has a bunch of screenshots at the bottom
[20:44:12] 	check any video game, most are 'fair use'
[20:44:17] 	yea
[20:44:26] 	album covers too
[20:44:56] 	josch: anyway, there's no guarantee this will work. i just wouldn't know why it shouldn't :)
[20:45:03] 	tekmosis: namespace as suggested is your best bet, but be sure to check if it is a redirect too 
[20:45:32] 	wohooo!
[20:45:34] 	yeah
[20:45:36] 	okay i found one
[20:45:44] 	indeed there is a broken  tag
[20:45:46] 	yeah
[20:45:56] 	now what to do for images from commons?
[20:46:33] 	Raymond__: Wird der div bei den image usages auch gerendert, wenn keine verwendungen da sind?
[20:46:41] 	Splarka, thanks
[20:47:26] 	codeispoetry: nein
[20:48:26] 	josch: you might try to make an extension to convert *all* [[Image:]] links to  even if they are broken.. since you can assume 99.999% (made up statistic) of [[Image]] links in your dump are either from commons or from en.wp
[20:48:41] 	josch: well, you can download the image table just like for enwiki, and import it. the problem is that their internal ids may clash. if they have those, not sure. if so, you'll have to import into a different table/db and then mess with sql to merge them sanely.
[20:48:46] 	03(NEW) Ease SVG map's tranlation : better integration of translator-scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14320 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (hugo.lpz)
[20:48:46] 	03(mod)  You do not get logged out on the wiki you have logged in if you log out at other project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14301  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:49:16] 	Raymond__: Wäre nett, wenn das "Keine Seite verwendet diese Datei" auch in das Div kommen würde, rein von der logik her.
[20:49:40] 	josch: hm... but when you start to actually load the images, you may have to know if where you need to pull them from. that could become a problem
[20:49:42] 	Splarka, i wanted to avoid such a hack ^^
[20:49:52] 	an extension is not a hack!
[20:49:53] 	codeispoetry: erinner mich morgen früh dran, ich geh jetzt schlafen
[20:49:56] 	just... a light chop
[20:49:57] 	Duesentrieb, hrm... right...
[20:50:02] 	gut nacht und danke ;)
[20:50:10] 	03(mod) Allow sorting articles by date instead of alphabetical sorting (on Polish Wikinews, when available) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14287  (10brion)
[20:50:15] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ImageBeforeProduceHTML
[20:50:23] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ImageOpenShowImageInlineBefore
[20:51:53] 	Splarka, nice - that helps
[20:51:57] 	you might be able to hook in and turn false into true...
[20:52:01] 	seems i rly have to do some hacking :P
[20:52:45] 	although checking if it is on Commons or en.wp will continue to nag you...
[20:53:18] 	you can use special:filepath to resolve this, eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Filepath/Image:Wiki.png
[20:53:42] 	(although unless you cache it as discussed yesterday, it would be naughty leeching, heh)
[20:53:46] *Jack_Phoenix 	grumbles
[20:53:55] 	there really should be a tool to upload images on edit view
[20:54:11] 	like the one Wikia has (sorta)?
[20:54:15] 	yah
[20:54:17] 	Wikia has one...wikiHow has one...yet there are none in official SVN :/
[20:54:30] 	wikiHow's doesn't quite work on a normal 1.13a codebase ^_^
[20:55:24] 	Splarka, how are the images from wp and commons different in their wikicode? arent they both given as [[Image:Foo]] =
[20:55:26] 	?
[20:55:41] 	there is no difference in the wikicode
[20:55:42] 	Jack_Phoenix, what do you mean on edit view?
[20:55:47] 	josch: the urls are different
[20:55:56] 	they are loaded from the same host, but different directories
[20:55:57] 	alnokta3: &action=edit
[20:56:04] 	hrm...
[20:56:07] 	right
[20:56:14] 	but if they hook the image link generation function...
[20:56:30] 	they could just generate a URL to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Filepath/Image:FILENAME.png
[20:56:48] 	that would resolve automagically to either en.wp or commons
[20:56:53] 	josch: you'd have to add a field in your image table, that has a flag that sais where it came from. the problem is that you also need code that generates different urls based on that
[20:57:04] 	and then call thumb.php on the appropriate site
[20:57:07] 	or your proxy could try one first, then the other
[20:57:16] 	maybe i should leave the link and not replace it by the  tag for the sake of simplicity :/
[20:57:22] 	Duesentrieb: Filepath can do both at once...
[20:57:28] 	so one has to klick a link to see the image in the web
[20:57:31] 	as usual...
[20:57:32] 	Splarka: it can?
[20:57:45] 	hm.... i guess it can
[20:57:56] 	then you only need to derive the thumb's url from the result
[20:57:59] 	the problem is, it can't thumbnail 
[20:58:02] 	it's stzill an extra request for every image
[20:58:06] 	but
[20:58:15] 	he could *link* to every image with one single string
[20:58:30] 	and later have a proxy that fetches them and serves them locally, maybe ^_^
[20:58:37] 	hrm...
[20:58:56] 	let me evaluate all you said and then check back when i come to my next question
[20:59:09] 	you guys are rly helpful
[20:59:21] 	anyway, the nice thing about Filepath is, you can check it and it returns a 30x status message with the info you need, very low server pokleage
[20:59:22] 	i very much appreciate your help!
[20:59:27] 	josch: actually, you *must* leave the link for accessing th image info. you should use a rewrite rule or something to forward people to the actual image description. that's where author and license info is. whithout this, you would be violating the license.
[20:59:40] 	heh
[20:59:49] 	they could do that by linking to the en.wp image description page too
[20:59:52] 	Duesentrieb, of course i have to leave the link
[20:59:59] 	and "this image is from commons" would clue them in if needed
[21:00:03] 	the copyright of any material is important
[21:01:30] 	03ialex * r35518 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.settings.php): $wgNonincludableNamespaces now works correctly
[21:08:22] 	03(FIXED) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10brion)
[21:10:23] 	Can someone please direct me to a description of what I have to do to change the color of the blue solid square used in lists?
[21:11:10] 	that is set by a css style, and actually an image
[21:11:30] 	I thought as much, but haven' ben able to locate that code
[21:11:40] 	in monobook/main.css
[21:11:40] 	list-style-image: url(bullet.gif);
[21:11:46] 	appears in two places
[21:11:58] 	thank you :)
[21:12:01] 	"ul {}" and ".portlet ul {}"
[21:12:29] 	if you change list-style-image to none it will adapt to the font color of the ul, or li
[21:12:49] 	03(mod)  Replace classes mw-imagepage-duplicates and -linktoimage with ids on image description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14146  (10N/A)
[21:13:10] 	easier though is to grab that image, from skins/monobook/bullet.gif, eg http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/bullet.gif
[21:13:17] 	and edit it, and upload it to your wiki
[21:13:37] 	thank you, again :)
[21:13:38] 	.portlet ul, ul { list-style-image: url("FULL URL TO THE UPLOADED IMAGE"); }
[21:13:56] 	enjoy
[21:15:26] 	14(DUP) Ease SVG map's tranlation : better integration of translator-scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14320  +comment (10brion)
[21:15:32] 	03(mod) Allow on-wiki editing of SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5899  +comment (10brion)
[21:25:46] 	03(mod) Activate write API on production wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14210  (10azatoth)
[21:25:53] 	03(NEW) Allow all users to define which version sould be displayed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (dotkorg)
[21:28:13] 	03(mod) Activate write API on production wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14210  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:32:48] 	!spawn roan
[21:32:48] --mwbot--	Spawning roan
[21:33:14] 	Huh?
[21:34:09] 	need someone to implement an hook to actually spawn the person ツ
[21:35:01] 	brion, got my mail?
[21:35:07] 	Splarka: do you know if the API only accepts application/x-www-form-urlencoded or does it accept multiparts as well?
[21:35:40] 	Do any of the $wg___ objects contain information pertaining the name of the last person who edited a page? useful for a "Last edit by ____"; or, are there any functions which grab this bit of information?
[21:36:45] 	uh
[21:36:54] 	you may be able to use a new article object
[21:37:15] 	Aza: I've never tried POST on the API actually
[21:37:22] 	ask roan ^_^
[21:37:57] 	$rev = Revision::newFromTitle( title );$rev->getUser();
[21:37:58] 	HardDisk_WP, I'm actually doing this in an article (using the monobook skin w/ namespace of 0 only)
[21:37:59] 	Splarka: tried to spawn him, but mwbot hasn't implemented the spawn routine yet :(
[21:38:15] 	!spawn blub
[21:38:15] --mwbot--	Spawning blub
[21:38:28] 	!spawn blub\n/quit
[21:38:28] --mwbot--	Spawning blub\n/quit
[21:38:31] 	Splarka: I'm always POST:ing to the api, but I have always used urlencoded
[21:38:33] 	^^
[21:38:33] 	Dantman|FS, great stuff, I'll try that, thanks
[21:38:47] 	and that's not the most efficient way to do it
[21:39:15] 	Which?
[21:39:20] 	!chanspam | HardDisk_WP
[21:39:20] --mwbot--	HardDisk_WP: You can actually privmsg me too, you know. Also see #mwbot
[21:39:58] 	!mmorpg
[21:39:58] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "mmorpg". You might try: !wikipedia 
[21:40:04] 	blah
[21:40:06] 	Jack_Phoenix: hehe
[21:40:16] 	it was such a fun factoid ;-)
[21:40:27] 	Aza: so test it both ways. Create a page with a range of Unicode, and post edit to it appending one letter with urlencode, multipart, etc, and then diff 
[21:46:24] 	03siebrand * r35519 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (48 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-05-28 23:22 CEST)
[21:49:35] 	03(mod) [FlaggedRevs] Allow all users to define which version sould be displayed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14321  summary (10dotkorg)
[21:54:55] 	03siebrand * r35520 10/trunk/extensions/ (85 files in 84 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-05-28 23:22 CEST)
[21:57:38] 	Hi. I don't understand how I am supposed to go to the Sidebar page to edit the sidebar. Can someone explain it for me in simple terms? TIA
[21:58:07] 	!sidebar
[21:58:07] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see .
[21:58:52] 	That's where I am. As I said, I do not understand how to get to this page on my wiki. Whatever I try does not produce anything.
[21:59:27] 	Where is your wiki?
[21:59:37] 	www.thumoo.com
[21:59:49] 	It's the main index page.
[22:00:09] 	http://www.thumoo.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar
[22:01:07] 	Though, it looks like you modified your skin.. which could be your primary issue
[22:01:12] 	oh. Thank you. I saw no way explaining that on the link.
[22:01:42] 	What are you even trying to do?
[22:01:52] 	Modified? I've only added a logo.
[22:02:06] 	It doesn't look like it
[22:02:13] 	A lot of the UI is completely deleted
[22:02:19] 	You can't even signup
[22:03:18] 	You might want to revert skins/Monobook.php to the code that came with the software
[22:03:20] 	whoa! That wasn't like that just now. Damn. er.
[22:03:37] 	You can add a logo just with $wgLogo
[22:03:40] 	Thanks Dantman|FS. I think I will. Obviously something happened.
[22:09:59] 	Removing the logo is more fun.
[22:13:36] 	Sasoriza, tried the modern skin?
[22:13:53] 	Anyone ever get an urge to just go wild on the UI and see what happens? :)
[22:14:19] 	alnokta: modern skin?
[22:14:39] 	looks like wikimedia.org and mediawiki.org aren't included
[22:14:58] 	bah, mischan
[22:15:02] *Splarka 	slinks off embarrased
[22:16:00] *alnokta 	embrass Splarka more :P
[22:16:46] *KTC 	know what Splarka was talking about anyway ;P
[22:17:05] 	Sasoriza, http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki&useskin=modern
[22:24:57] *Danny_B 	doesn't know why modern skin is called modern when it doesn't look modern but like late 90's web
[22:27:09] 	:O
[22:27:18] 	modern > cologne blue :D
[22:27:25] 	:)
[22:28:31] 	modern is just trying to make mediawiki look like jira & co.
[22:29:13] 	03(NEW) Please configure more global blacklists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14322 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mike.lifeguard)
[22:29:23] 	doesn't have a good ergonomy
[22:29:33] 	it is like saying "monobook doesn't look monochrome"
[22:29:37] 	until you compare it to davinci
[22:29:47] 	Oh. Meh. It's pretty, but I've seen it screw up sites. I like skins I can customize, and I just stick with monobook.
[22:30:19] 	the new confluence 2.8 skin is nice, maybe i should port that to mediawiki
[22:32:09] 	flyingparchment: Not a bad idea.
[22:32:29] 	Splarka: monobook doesn't necessarily have to be monochrome. i've done color remix for wm2k8. but its ergonomy is of good quality
[22:33:19] 	Which reminds me... (having never asked this before...) Can MW embed multimedia files like confluence?
[22:33:21] 	i wanted to do a drop-down menu thing for another skin i was working on but it's just too much hassle to do it in IE
[22:33:28] 	CSS works everywhere except IE, where you need JS
[22:33:43] 	Sasoriza: there's a media player extension now
[22:33:46] 	:ignore ie
[22:33:47] 	wikimedia uses it
[22:34:00] 	OggHandler i think it's called
[22:34:08] 	yes and its great
[22:34:10] 	(as you can tell from the name, it's meant for ogg vorbis / theora files)
[22:34:50] 	well, ffmpeg converts to ogg 
[22:34:52] 	Danny_B: I meant that the name came from it being a more monocromed version of a previous skin
[22:34:57] 	^h
[22:35:37] 	Splarka: ah i see. i am not so familiar with mediawiki's prehistory ;-)
[22:36:06] 	stonewiki age :P
[22:38:56] 	flyingparchment: are you really good with this skinning thing
[22:39:08] 	not especially, why?
[22:39:13] 	because i got a problem with a new skin we are working in the german wikipedia on
[22:39:22] 	http://knothen.de/wikipedia/wikipedia4_4.jpg
[22:39:34] 	we are rearranging the article navigation and stuff
[22:39:37] 	Danny_B: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=2881
[22:39:53] 	for example taking the tools in the lower left corner
[22:40:03] 	and putting them up to the article edit stuff
[22:40:20] 	rearanging the left navigation also, its in german so it wont make much sense for now
[22:40:22] 	and: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=2851
[22:40:25] 	Splarka: isn't nostalgia pretty similar to stonage mediawiki?
[22:40:29] 	but we really hope to improve the whole thing
[22:40:37] 	dunno, i am not so familiar with mediawiki's prehistory
[22:40:46] 	Danny_B: MW never looked like that, nostalgia is a UseMod-like skin
[22:40:54] 	(afaik)
[22:40:57] 	aha
[22:41:10] 	so the question is, how hard is it to break up those things
[22:41:15] 	Splarka: hey, don't plagiate me! :-P
[22:41:36] 	ok your all gonna hate me, but I have searched everywhere, what's the code to get rid of the table of contents?
[22:41:37] 	GFDL!
[22:41:41] *Splarka 	attributes you
[22:41:53] 	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=2784  the predecessor to mono/monobook
[22:41:59] 	my b def nto an admin
[22:42:42] 	Enlighter: for all users, or just for you? for all pages or just one?
[22:42:47] 	btw: anybody with shell access here willing to spend 5 mins on new wiki configuration please?
[22:42:49] 	all pages
[22:42:51] 	my bad
[22:42:55] 	for all users or just you?
[22:42:59] 	all users
[22:43:12] 	.toc, #toc {display:none !important;} 
[22:43:14] 	I have built the wiki around it so it doesn't need the table at the top
[22:43:16] 	should do it
[22:54:02] 	04(REOPENED) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10spacebirdy)
[22:55:56] 	Christoph_Knoth, this picture looks very sleek 
[23:09:06] 	I'm guessing null_file.mov is supposed to be empty? (as in, null?)
[23:09:46] 	Is there anyway of doing something like this? #REDIRECT [[Bugs_{{Version}}]] - I want to have a page that always points to the current version's bug page (right now I have a template set up that returns the version)
[23:11:00] 	interesting question.
[23:11:28] 	I don't think transclusions work in #Redirect (parser functions don't)
[23:11:41] 	yeah - it doesn't :/
[23:11:47] 	but maybe magic words do... hmm
[23:12:41] 	Right now the only ways I know are to manually change the version number, or to do {{:Bugs_{{Version}}}} - but neither works how I'd like
[23:13:42] 	I'm not that familiar with magic words - is it possible for me to create my own?
[23:14:17] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[23:14:54] 	it looks like magic words work
[23:14:57] 	although they'd be cached
[23:15:06] 	for example: #REDIRECT [[Somewhere {{CURRENTVERSION}}]]
[23:15:31] 	Caching would be okay - Version changes once every six months
[23:15:36] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Variables
[23:15:52] 	an example of a custom magic word, to build from
[23:16:42] 	templates don't work in redirects
[23:16:50] 	it's wontfix
[23:17:02] 	if it changes every 6 months, why not change it manually then?
[23:18:01] 	Danny_B: yeah I understand - redirects are figured out when the page is saved, no?  Instead of when it's viewed - I was just looking for a possible workarouond.
[23:18:14] 	alnokta: thanks, but it still needs some work and maybe some colors 
[23:18:30] 	hmm, looks like magic words won't work after all, heh
[23:19:07] 	and maybe it looks to sleek, and needs a bit more nerd-aesthetics ;)
[23:19:15] 	alnokta: Because it's not just one redirect that needs changing, or it would be okay.
[23:19:49] 	Christoph_Knoth, keep it up :)
[23:20:05] 	Hmmm... if I make a table with {| class="nnnnn" .... is there a place all the classes are listed?
[23:21:02] 	listing all the classes would be somewhat futile
[23:21:18] 	from a technical standpoint anyway
[23:21:28] 	what if someone used...
[23:21:36] 	{| class="date_{{CURRENTDAY}}"
[23:21:36] 	More like : Where is this defined? In the CSS?
[23:21:45] 	Perhaps I can create a mediawiki extension that does lazily-evaluated redirects...  I have six months to put something together :)
[23:21:54] 	"If you are looking for a formal release, stop now, there are none. Maybe we will have some in the future, but don't hold your breath." LOL. Straight and to the point.
[23:22:21] 	Oberoten: you want a list of all CSS being loaded, you mean?
[23:22:29] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes  might help
[23:22:43] 	Eh, no just trying to figure out what the classes are supposed to mean. :)
[23:22:49] 	Christoph_Knoth, will you add the usual colors or monobook?
[23:22:50] 	heh
[23:22:54] 	... I just figured it'd be CSS classes. 
[23:22:57] 	css classes are disassociative
[23:23:00] 	But I have little idea what it means. 
[23:23:06] 	well
[23:23:10] 	class="foo" means
[23:23:16] 	it can be styled as .foo in CSS, or...
[23:23:30] 	referenced in javascript by getElementsByClassName() or .className
[23:23:49] 	it is mostly a passive attribute for all other cases
[23:23:52] 	*grins* Then I have a bit more meat in my soup. :) 
[23:23:55] 	it doesn't mean anything
[23:24:18] 	you can use {| class="bloodred"   and .bloodred {color:blue;}
[23:24:24] 	Christoph_Knoth: It looks nice as is
[23:25:29] 	all classes are pretty much user defined. There are some in mediawiki pre-defined for your convenience of course, like plainlinks, but those are all in the /skins folder (see the catalog link above)
[23:25:38] 	*nods* As log as I know what it is good for. ;) Things I don't understand drives me spare. :) 
[23:25:44] 	heh
[23:25:59] 	well, lets say, contrary to style="" parameters, like font-weight, background-color, etc...
[23:26:13] 	there is nothing predefined in classes that the browser cares about, usually
[23:26:30] 	classes are space-delimited in the class="" attribute
[23:26:36] 	
[23:26:42] 	.foo {background-color:red;}
[23:26:46] 	.bar {color:green;}
[23:27:30] 	*nods* But I could create a class that contains a certain set of attributes that per example would be shared by a large number of infoboxes?
[23:28:03] 	if you gave all those infoboxes that class, yep
[23:28:20] 	Nice... That is pretty useful. 
[23:28:25] 	{| class="infobox infobox-crazypeople"
[23:28:29] 	{| class="infobox infobox-birds"
[23:28:40] 	.infobox then might have a border and width and float:right
[23:28:57] 	For a moment there with all the different classes and not seeing where they where defined I was wondering if it'd be as useful as a porrige-cutter.
[23:28:58] 	and .infobox-crazypeople might have the th and td with a purple background color, while -birds might have yellow
[23:29:05] 	alnokta: dunno, we planned to give every wikiproject one specific color. maybe i will give this layout more a blue touch
[23:29:55] 	because the first "rough" tryout http://knothen.de/wikipedia/site2 looks like a funeral
[23:30:38] 	but its just for the html structure, the css has to be improved
[23:31:01] 	and thats at the moment my problem, to make this kind of structure with the skin-system
[23:31:05] 	not sure if this will work out
[23:32:01] 	Christoph_Knoth, it looks good but the font isn't ;)
[23:32:49] 	Christoph_Knoth : I have to agree with alnokta the font isn't so hot, but the layout and color choices gives a serious if somewhat somber look that makes me think of dusty old tomes. 
[23:33:04] 	03(mod) enable .ogv uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14315  (10cbass)
[23:33:24] 	Is FFmpeg absolutely needed for OggHandler?
[23:33:27] 	And I am heading out. Thanks for the explanation Splarka. 
[23:33:45] 	not sure about the font and everything, i am just tryin at the moment
[23:34:20] 	rar
[23:34:29] 	Christoph_Knoth, i think it is doable .. i have seen much more customization 
[23:34:31] 	will go to bed now, but will come back tomorrow with some serious question, when i make my way through this skin-manual thing :}
[23:34:43] 	ok, thanks
[23:34:45] 	night Christoph_Knoth 
[23:34:48] 	night
[23:43:49] 	this is intended to be used to make template more readable: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoNewLines ? 
[23:58:06] 	TimStarling, got your ears on?