[00:00:18] <DIFTOW>	mediawikis very poor design has pissed me off for the last time
[00:00:22] *Mike_lifeguard 	asinine comment
[00:00:53] <DIFTOW>	Man, that was worse than trying to use Linux for the first time
[00:01:57] <DIFTOW>	I'm just going to use a portal with my SMF forums
[00:02:07] <DIFTOW>	Something that actually works properly
[00:02:23] <DIFTOW>	I can live without the encyclopedia shit
[00:03:06] <DIFTOW>	Especially when mediawiki users are expected to literally program their entire wiki in order to use it in basic form
[00:03:12] <DanielTahar>	well, how do I edit the default new page template:
[00:03:13] <DanielTahar>	?
[00:03:36] <Splarka>	DanielTahar: MediaWiki:Newarticletext and MediaWiki:Noarticletext ?
[00:03:42] <DIFTOW>	I mean, mediawiki might as well be in C language with code compiling
[00:03:46] <DIFTOW>	:P
[00:04:04] <Splarka>	(those are the messages that appear on missing pages, for action=edit and action=view)
[00:04:06] <jlerner>	it's a little intimidating at first
[00:04:11] <LA2>	DIFTOW, it helps if you have some actual experience from using a wiki, e.g. Wikipedia
[00:04:23] <LA2>	and I can recommend the book by John Broughton
[00:04:38] <DIFTOW>	Oh thats ok, I prefer programs that work automatically
[00:04:44] <LA2>	lol
[00:05:03] <DIFTOW>	and dont require you pulling info out of your ass of what kind of plugin scripts you have to download, and certain troubleshooting you have to do
[00:05:11] <DIFTOW>	just to create a page that has a simple table
[00:05:18] <DIFTOW>	that someone can create in notepad in 1 minute
[00:05:24] <DIFTOW>	blind folded
[00:05:32] <flyingparchment>	oh, shut up
[00:05:41] <jlerner>	it wasn't designed to be friendly to newbies...
[00:05:42] <DIFTOW>	MediaWiki can do great things, just if only it wasnt designed so poorly
[00:05:49] <DIFTOW>	and that isnt a good thing
[00:05:52] <DIFTOW>	that is a very bad thing
[00:05:58] <jlerner>	DIFTOW: good luck on your project
[00:06:09] <DIFTOW>	silence the opposition
[00:06:11] <LA2>	yes, good luck from me too
[00:06:11] <MrZ-man>	well, MediaWiki is designed for Wikipedia-sized projects, its probably overkill for what you need it for
[00:06:20] <DIFTOW>	Censor the thought criminal
[00:06:26] <DIFTOW>	he has said bad things about mediawiki
[00:06:28] <DIFTOW>	:X
[00:06:36] <jlerner>	ha
[00:06:41] <DIFTOW>	MediaWiki is holy and great, blessed is mediawiki
[00:06:47] <LA2>	what's your point? this is probably the wrong place to look for a date
[00:06:55] <DIFTOW>	we must all bow to mediawiki, no bad discussion, thats against the law
[00:07:09] <t0lk>	if i try and insert {{Portal:Contents/Type/Reference}} it won't load that page but tries to load Template:Portal:Contents/Type/Reference instead, any idea about this?
[00:07:22] <Splarka>	t0lk: is Portal a valid namespace?
[00:07:25] <Splarka>	if not, prefix colon
[00:07:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	the trick is that we don't like /unreasonable/ negative comments about MediaWiki
[00:07:29] <DIFTOW>	willfull ignorant fanboyism
[00:07:40] <t0lk>	how do I check that Splarka
[00:07:43] <DIFTOW>	i like mediawiki, so it is perfect
[00:07:48] <Splarka>	t0lk: try {{:Portal:Contents/Type/Reference}}
[00:07:48] <LA2>	if you have a nail, use a hammer. This is a channel for another tool.
[00:08:02] <DIFTOW>	screw you DIFTOW, it works for me so its perfect, it doesnt work for you cause, jesus doesnt love you
[00:08:12] <Splarka>	DIFTOW: being critical is perfectly welcome
[00:08:21] <Splarka>	but you're bordering on spamming the channel now
[00:08:25] <t0lk>	ah, that works Splarka
[00:08:29] <Splarka>	and we're trying to help other people
[00:08:37] <DIFTOW>	Well, atleast finally something interesting is going on in here.
[00:08:49] <DIFTOW>	if i were you and sat in here all day, id go nuts
[00:08:50] <LA2>	Diftow, what are you wearing?
[00:09:12] <DIFTOW>	a thong
[00:09:25] <t0lk>	how can I add Portal: as a namespace?
[00:09:47] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces
[00:10:01] <jlerner>	Splarka: i should be able to add the appendCSS() function to wikibits.js, no?
[00:10:19] <Splarka>	jlerner: yah, see the svn copy for where to add it
[00:10:22] <jlerner>	yeah
[00:10:27] <DIFTOW>	you know what, i just absolutely hate websites to begin with
[00:10:29] <jlerner>	it doesn't  seem to depend on anything else though
[00:10:36] <DIFTOW>	they really suck ;o
[00:10:37] <jlerner>	hm
[00:10:37] <Splarka>	well, no, that is the end point
[00:10:45] <Splarka>	importScriptURI depends on it a bit
[00:10:53] <DIFTOW>	i think im going to actually just remove my website and just leave forums
[00:10:54] <Splarka>	and importScript depends on that
[00:11:05] <jlerner>	but appendCSS doesn't depend on anything
[00:11:10] <jlerner>	i need importscript as well?
[00:11:19] <Splarka>	oop
[00:11:25] <Splarka>	importStyleSheet I mean
[00:11:26] <Splarka>	but no
[00:11:39] <Splarka>	however, you might as well just apply: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?r1=35024&r2=35064
[00:11:51] <Splarka>	then you can upgrade easier next time
[00:12:05] <DIFTOW>	im sad though
[00:12:07] <jlerner>	k
[00:12:10] <DIFTOW>	many hours were wasted
[00:12:16] <DIFTOW>	ill have my revenge
[00:12:34] <DIFTOW>	its late now, goodbye kiddies
[00:12:37] <DIFTOW>	8=D
[00:12:44] <LA2>	finally!
[00:12:56] <Oberoten>	Troll ya think, eh?
[00:13:06] <Splarka>	is that a funky smiley or a very small penis emoticon?
[00:13:27] <Oberoten>	Splarka : Lets just call it his self-portrait.
[00:15:17] <jlerner>	Splarka: i'm not getting a js error message but it's not doing anything either
[00:16:38] <Splarka>	did you bump the $wgStyleVersion ?
[00:17:07] <jlerner>	no
[00:17:09] <jlerner>	but 
[00:17:17] <jlerner>	the style is being applied..
[00:17:19] <Splarka>	well, if no errors, then the function is doing something...
[00:17:24] <Splarka>	heh
[00:17:28] <jlerner>	according  to webdeveloper extension
[00:17:33] <Splarka>	well, that is all it does, is apply styles
[00:17:36] <Splarka>	what else should it do?
[00:17:37] <jlerner>	-> view style informatino
[00:17:41] <jlerner>	hmm
[00:18:01] <Splarka>	oh: <Splarka> although you might need to be more specific than a.new, like #bodyContent
[00:18:06] <jlerner>	i'll muck with the css
[00:18:26] <Splarka>	or test with !important
[00:18:40] <Splarka>	however, if you're doing it with php, you could just spit out a <style> tag
[00:18:57] <jlerner>	you convinced me not to do in php
[00:18:57] <jlerner>	;-)
[00:19:00] <Splarka>	my JS suggestion was to avoid php editing
[00:19:04] <Splarka>	heh, k
[00:19:52] <jlerner>	ok, now it works
[00:20:09] <Splarka>	sweet
[00:20:20] <jlerner>	now just to add some javascript to the link...
[00:20:28] <jlerner>	so clicking it returns false
[00:20:32] <jlerner>	then life would be grand
[00:20:53] <jlerner>	http://devel.wiki.name.com/en/Connor - see "Tom" in son of actor Tom Cruise
[00:20:56] <jlerner>	also i need to fix the color
[00:20:59] <jlerner>	thanks Splarka!!@
[00:21:08] <Splarka>	well, lets not get too hasty, heh
[00:23:29] <alnokta>	"When a man says he approves of something in principle, it means he hasn't the slightest intention of putting it into practice"
[00:23:37] <alnokta>	Cbrown1023, hi
[00:29:52] <Cbrown1023>	heya alnokta... or not
[00:40:51] <bazz>	why is it when i run psql [mywikidbname] i can't see any of the wiki tables?  all i see are 4 pg_ts_[blah] tables when i do a \dt
[00:42:23] <flyingparchment>	bazz: set search_path = mediawiki, public;
[00:42:55] <bazz>	flyingparchment: ahh, lovely, thanks :)
[01:22:37] <Buzz_>	do you think websites need disclaimers ? i'm wondering whether to put one on my wiki, and im no good with legalese, so i wonder if there is any very simple public domain disclaimers i could just use ?
[01:32:55] <taelmx>	hey
[01:33:28] <taelmx>	Is there any way to automatically sort articles based on tags that you give them?
[01:33:46] <taelmx>	Something similar to a pokedex
[01:34:13] <taelmx>	where you can sort by type, name, number, etc.
[01:35:53] <memzero>	I can't get ParserFunctions to parse. I've installed it, it shows up in Special:Version, yet {{#if:{{{author|}}} | [[User:{{{author}}}] | somebody}} just gives me {{#if: | [[User:{{{author}}}] | somebody}} for output.
[01:37:00] <taelmx>	would {{#if: | [[User:{{{author}}}]] | somebody}} work any better?
[01:37:29] <memzero>	wouldn't make any sense
[01:37:45] <memzero>	{{#if: condition | it's true | it's false}}
[01:37:55] <memzero>	but nothing's even being parsed, it seems
[01:38:01] <taelmx>	I'm new to wiki stuff, but I know that you usually have to close your tags
[01:38:27] <memzero>	everything's closed correctly in my code :/
[01:38:32] <memzero>	{{#if:{{{author|}}} | [[User:{{{author}}}] | somebody}}
[01:39:13] <memzero>	hmm.
[01:39:16] <memzero>	maybe I have some other issue
[01:39:18] <memzero>	hold.
[01:39:43] <memzero>	*sigh*
[01:39:46] <memzero>	Typo.
[02:08:59] <Dantman>	^_^ Awesome... my setup just got so much better now
[02:09:36] <Dantman>	503 should never show up randomly anymore...
[02:11:10] <Dantman>	hmmm
[02:11:13] <Dantman>	damn
[02:21:38] <Dantman>	^_^ Yup it works...
[02:22:03] <Dantman>	3tier fcgi PHP, load-balanced and god watched...
[02:30:26] <asarand>	I'm having difficulty with understanding the use of $wgLogo to change the path to the wiki.png image you want. Will someone give me an example of the correct way to set this variable?
[02:34:28] <asarand>	I copied the line from DefaultSettings.php and pasted it into LocalSettings.php. I then changed the value from false to "{$wgStylePath}/GreatCrystal/wiki.png". It still doesn't display an image.
[02:36:50] *asarand 	looks around the channel to see if anyone is awake.
[02:38:58] *asarand 	quietly leaves the channel so as not to awaken the sleeping moderators...
[02:39:18] <Dantman>	idjit... I was going to reply
[03:30:44] <Adeene>	Aloha! :-)
[03:30:49] <Adeene>	One question...
[03:30:52] <Adeene>	I I have followed all the steps and I see the link: "Export to PDF"; but don`t export to pdf file :(
[03:31:02] <JimShoe>	is this somehow wrong {{#time: H:i, d M Y| 0 Hour | {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} }} (CDT)?
[03:31:09] <Adeene>	  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export 
[03:31:49] <JimShoe>	seems to update even when the page doesn't get updated
[03:51:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Main Wikipedia page looks bad on small screens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14340 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (paulnel)
[03:59:08] <JimShoe>	i figured it out, stupid mistake
[04:41:47] <macjunkie>	i just got mediawiki up this afternoon and had two questions i didn't see on the on the faq site
[04:42:30] <macjunkie>	i've been porting a few 100 documents out of a legacy email system into wiki articles is there a force to it to insert line returns without manually putting <br>'s at the end of every line? and has anyone asked about extending mediawiki to doing ldap authentication?
[04:43:14] <macjunkie>	once i get all our info in it i don't want anyone other than my colleagues being able to log into it I know I can remove the registration link but i'd rather not do that i guess i could drop an .htaccess file in front of it but doesn't seem as clean
[04:45:02] <Splarka>	wikicode uses html wrapping conventions, a single newline is ignored the same as html (unless the newline starts with a formatting character, eg space/colon/asterisk/octothorpe)
[04:45:18] <Splarka>	two newlines change paragraphs: </p><p>
[04:45:26] <flyingparchment>	!e LdapAuthentication
[04:45:26] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LdapAuthentication
[04:45:51] <flyingparchment>	hmm, what's that one caled?
[04:46:11] <flyingparchment>	ah: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[04:46:12] <Dantman|FS>	Hheeeey... it's WikiText...... T_T WikiCode is /my/ extension...
[04:46:13] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[04:46:15] <macjunkie>	cool thanks :)
[04:46:16] <Splarka>	oop
[04:46:50] <Splarka>	wikitext is text, wikicode is the rest 
[04:46:52] *Splarka 	pokles dantman
[04:46:54] *Dantman|FS 	uses a #foreach on Splarka, which breaks because it's not completed yet
[04:46:57] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[04:46:59] <Splarka>	well my extension is called "wiki"
[04:47:03] *Splarka 	puts you into it
[04:47:10] <flyingparchment>	my extension is called 'internet'
[04:47:13] <Splarka>	not my fault you choose dumb generic names ^_^
[04:47:25] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ It's generic for a reason
[04:47:28] <Splarka>	flying: when is 2.0 coming out?
[04:47:45] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: never.  it has been deprecated in favour of MSN
[04:47:51] <Splarka>	sweet
[04:47:52] <macjunkie>	lol
[04:47:52] <Dantman|FS>	I like generic names when making extensions which encompase and absorb a lot of existing extensions
[04:47:59] <Splarka>	will AOL make a comback?
[04:48:10] <Splarka>	or prodigy, or some BBS dialup
[05:00:14] <CrazyTB>	does someone know about any extension or stylesheet that allows me to create a presentation using mediawiki?
[05:05:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10N/A)
[05:07:06] <Anonona_DC>	How would one set their new latest-version install to disallow edits by unregistered users by default?
[05:07:43] <Anonona_DC>	I'm a bit confused about whether I should be messing with defaultsettings.php or localsettings.php
[05:08:02] <flyingparchment>	never edit DefaultSettings
[05:08:37] <Anonona_DC>	so what do I need to do to localsettings?
[05:11:15] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[05:12:06] <Anonona_DC>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[05:12:13] <Anonona_DC>	so I would need to *add* this line to LocalSettings.php?
[05:12:32] <Anonona_DC>	not *change* (which is what the FAQs were telling me to do, but it doesn't exist yet)
[05:13:49] <CrazyTB>	yes, add it to LocalSettings.php
[05:13:59] <CrazyTB>	and where the FAQ mentions it?
[05:15:13] <Anonona_DC>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[05:15:28] <Anonona_DC>	thanks
[05:17:34] <CrazyTB>	I can't find where it tells you to change something
[05:17:50] <CrazyTB>	And more, it doesn't say to edit DefaultSettings.php
[05:18:41] <Anonona_DC>	it says to edit the array in localsettings with the following syntax
[05:18:54] <Anonona_DC>	it doesn't mention that there isn't any such array already in localsettings
[05:19:03] <Anonona_DC>	and when you click on the array, it tells you to find it in defaultsettings
[05:19:32] <flyingparchment>	you can look at defaultsettings, and copy things from it, just don't edit it
[05:19:55] <Anonona_DC>	just needs to be made explicit that you're adding the line in to localsettings, that's all
[05:20:40] <Anonona_DC>	I try to be a helpful fool while people are foolproofing docs :P
[05:21:05] <Anonona_DC>	but maybe it was just an inferrence
[05:21:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New special page listing missing files - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13702  +comment (1065s.mg)
[05:22:16] <Splarka>	Anonona_DC: so fix it, it is editable (probably) ^_^
[05:24:00] <CrazyTB>	Anonona_DC: well, that's not exactly a FAQ
[05:24:16] <CrazyTB>	that page is a "reference" about user rights. I see nothing wrong on that page
[05:24:25] <Anonona_DC>	k
[05:24:39] <CrazyTB>	(feel free to disagree) ;)
[05:24:48] <CrazyTB>	There is a FAQ page somewhere else, and I'm pretty sure in that page it says "add"
[05:25:14] <CrazyTB>	I'm just too busy (and hungry) right now to find this FAQ page.
[05:31:05] <Soxred93>	Is there a max number of edits one account can make?
[05:36:43] <Splarka>	(not an answer) smackbot has around 1.3 million
[05:44:40] <Splarka>	Sox: en.wp is at 9.4% of a signed integer in number of revision IDs, so it is probably a long integer
[05:45:17] <Splarka>	so probably something else will run out of space long before you make 9223372036854775800 edits
[06:04:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Admin functions for (autoconfirmed) users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14325  (10millosh)
[06:06:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Move of a flagged page makes page unsighted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14341 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (raimond.spekking)
[06:12:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Should users.sql have $wgDBserver in the grant statements? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14342 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (jimhu)
[06:26:35] <josch>	haha nezza-_-
[06:26:55] <nezza-_->	josch: :D
[06:27:34] <josch>	well, hi it's me again and i still have this problem concerning proper xhtml generation
[06:27:54] <josch>	i have $wgUseTidy enabled but it still doesnt output xhtml on all pages
[06:28:08] <josch>	e.g. there are too many closing tags on one table
[06:28:39] <josch>	i tried $wgAlwaysUseTidy but this will destroy the damaged table entirely by rendering the html to the user
[06:29:03] <josch>	now the exact same mediawiki text gets parsed korrectly on wikipedia
[06:29:08] <josch>	correctly...
[06:29:28] <josch>	but if i have a look at the LocalSettings.php wikipedia uses
[06:29:39] <josch>	then there is also only $wgUseTidy enabled
[06:29:55] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35583 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: typo
[06:30:41] <josch>	now the only thing i want is to have the wikitext in my local mediwiki to be rendered exactly the same way as it is in wikipedia
[06:30:50] <josch>	i have to miss something
[06:31:06] <josch>	is threre anything else i need besides $wgUseTidy?
[06:31:48] <josch>	i can prove that tidy is enabled by a html comment that is placed in every html in my local wikipedia dump
[06:32:02] <josch>	<!-- htmltidy found serious xhtml errors -->
[06:32:06] <josch>	or something like that
[06:32:29] <josch>	now how can i solve this problem?
[06:33:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Temporary block may prevent a user from winning the unified account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11149  -need-review -patch  (10rotemliss)
[06:42:25] <NicDumZ|Zzz>	mmm.... I can't log out from es:
[06:42:49] <NicDumZ|Zzz>	*checking inside bugzilla*
[06:53:07] <taelmx>	Can anybody tell me if it is possible to sort articles based on variables given?
[06:53:27] <taelmx>	By this I mean, something similar to how a pokedex works
[06:53:47] <taelmx>	where you can organize them by number, type, abitly, etc...
[06:54:17] <taelmx>	Is mediawiki capable of doing this?
[06:55:17] <taelmx>	...
[06:55:41] <taelmx>	nobody?
[06:55:47] <taelmx>	hey simon
[06:56:13] <simonrvn>	hi
[06:56:14] <josch>	taelmx: where do you want to sort them?
[06:56:53] <taelmx>	josch: I want to sort them into categories, like {{Category:Monsters}}
[06:57:06] <taelmx>	and then also tag parameters onto them
[06:57:24] <taelmx>	like a variable for the type of monster.
[06:57:32] <josch>	so you have a category and want the articles to be sorted by another value than the article name?
[06:57:34] <taelmx>	fire, ice, light, etc...
[06:57:39] <taelmx>	yes
[06:58:07] <taelmx>	alphabetically, by type, by number, by color(maybe?)
[06:58:09] <josch>	i thought there is a key in the link table that specifies how are articles sorted
[06:58:13] <josch>	but
[06:58:25] <josch>	this key is global and not specific to each category
[06:58:58] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35584 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.i18n.php CentralAuth.php CentralAuthHooks.php): Make autologin image loads into a progress display.
[06:59:01] <taelmx>	I only need it for one category, do you think there is an extension for something like this?
[06:59:18] <josch>	i dont knoe one that does this
[06:59:42] <taelmx>	hmmm, I read on mediawiki's help section something about tags...
[06:59:47] <josch>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Categorylinks_table <= the cl_sortkey specifies how the articles are sorted but this is a global value
[07:00:25] <taelmx>	global value?
[07:00:31] <taelmx>	so it can't be changed?
[07:00:43] <taelmx>	well, I mean dynamically
[07:00:47] <taelmx>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions
[07:01:57] <taelmx>	does that help?
[07:02:00] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35585 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Update for he.
[07:03:14] <josch>	sry I'm rly that deep into that mediawiki stuff
[07:03:29] <josch>	i have a serious problem myself that i asked here four times without an answer
[07:03:41] <taelmx>	what was it?
[07:03:43] <josch>	so I'm quite a n00b ^^
[07:03:50] <taelmx>	me too
[07:04:18] <taelmx>	I'm using it for a game development project, so I'm trying to get everything organized
[07:04:25] <josch>	i have a local wikipedia dump but the articles contain some html errors that dont let them validate as xhtml
[07:04:53] <taelmx>	do you have an example?
[07:04:59] <josch>	this is kind of annoying since wikipedia itself seems to render the exact same wikitext as correct xhtml
[07:05:20] <josch>	for example there are too many closing tags at the end of a table
[07:06:55] <taelmx>	They might be using an extension to parse the xhtml
[07:07:17] <josch>	i only know that htmltidy is used for clean up
[07:07:26] <josch>	but for some reason it doesnt work
[07:07:38] <josch>	and i dont know of such an extension
[07:07:41] <josch>	so i asked
[07:07:52] <josch>	but others seem to dont know either... :/
[07:08:09] <taelmx>	I was looking for one...there was something called wiki2xhtml
[07:08:47] <taelmx>	I'm not sure I know what to do with that either
[07:10:02] <zsh>	is there a way to change the skin for just one page?
[07:11:36] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35586 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German
[07:17:31] <zsh>	I'm writing an extension and i want a particular page not to have mediawiki navigation links, just the content...
[07:18:04] <Splarka>	you can use CSS...
[07:18:16] <Splarka>	if you don't mind the interface still being there, but hidden
[07:20:09] <zsh>	Splarka: hmmm. I hadn't thought of that. ok. 
[07:21:21] <Splarka>	basically you remove margin/padding/border on #bodyContent and #content, and then hide column-one and anything else you don't want
[07:21:42] <Splarka>	you can specify the page via body.page-Page_Name (check the page source, in the <body> class)
[07:21:56] <zsh>	I thought that there would be a function to change the skin for just that page like $wgOut->someFuntion()
[07:23:23] <zsh>	Splarka: merci
[07:26:56] <taelmx>	Splarka: is there a way to sort articles in a category based on tags that you give them?
[07:28:00] <_wooz>	lo
[07:28:16] <Splarka>	taelmx: just the sortkey, which is the only parameter in the category tag
[07:28:22] <taelmx>	The user would be able to choose which parameters to sort the articles in a specific category by
[07:28:35] <Splarka>	[[Category:Foo|B]] will put a page under B, even if it doesn't start with the letter B
[07:28:44] <Splarka>	you probably want DPL
[07:28:45] <Splarka>	!dpl
[07:28:45] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[07:28:57] <taelmx>	wow
[07:29:00] <taelmx>	thanks
[07:29:16] <taelmx>	that seems to describe what I'm looking to do
[07:29:16] <josch>	now everybody is helped except me...
[07:29:21] <Splarka>	can of worms, be warned
[07:29:30] <taelmx>	can of worms?
[07:29:55] <josch>	delicious
[07:29:57] <Splarka>	it is a very complex extension with some high overhead both in processor time and familiarization
[07:30:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move of a flagged page makes page unsighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14341  (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:30:29] <taelmx>	ok, well, I'll take a look and see what I can do with it...
[07:30:34] <Splarka>	josch: you have tidy enabled but is it installed/available too?
[07:30:41] <Splarka>	and do you have all the same extensions?
[07:31:47] <taelmx>	Can DPL use custom parameters?
[07:32:07] <taelmx>	like if I tag a page with a certain keyword?
[07:32:15] <taelmx>	or give it a number
[07:33:40] <Splarka>	it can select pages based on categories (its original purpose)
[07:33:51] <Splarka>	so you could categorize pages with words or numbers yes
[07:35:31] <josch>	Splarka: that tidy is enabled i see from the comment that is left on each page <!-- tidy found serious html errors --> and from the fact that if i enable $wgAlwaysUseTidy my xhtml gets messed up
[07:36:23] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35587 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (88 files in 3 dirs): Add voctrainer to svn at this location
[07:37:13] <Splarka>	ew
[07:37:15] <Splarka>	well, try this...
[07:37:52] <Splarka>	<table border=1><tr><td>foo</td>{{#if:1|<td>bar</td>}}</tr></table>
[07:38:21] <josch>	Splarka: i know this
[07:38:28] <josch>	Splarka: yes, it renders the table
[07:38:43] <josch>	i was told a week ago that this is a way to check if tidy works
[07:38:48] <Zven86>	taelmx: Also check out Extension:Semantic MediaWiki
[07:39:22] <josch>	and i can see the foo bar table cells
[07:39:39] <josch>	two things are strange:
[07:39:53] <josch>	1. why doesnt the html get cleaned up with wgUseTidy enables
[07:40:11] <josch>	2. why does it get destroyed when wgAlwaysUseTidy is enabled
[07:40:24] <josch>	but in the end all i want is proper xhtml :D
[07:40:27] <Splarka>	good questions:/
[07:40:52] <josch>	i also can reproduce this error on other wikipedia dumps i've done
[07:40:52] <Splarka>	tidy gives no end to problems for those that use it, but those that don't can't use html spread across templates/parserfunctions/parameters
[07:41:16] <josch>	and obviously i need tidy to get a correct local wikipedia
[07:41:19] <Splarka>	can you reduce to a minimal test case?
[07:41:47] <josch>	i'll have to do this on monday because i'm off for the weekend
[07:41:56] <josch>	but maybe this would be one reasonable step
[07:42:25] <josch>	is there anything else i should be aware of except htmltidy?
[07:43:03] <Splarka>	probably, but none I can think of, and if you've had this problem a week... yikes...
[07:43:29] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9252  here was a fun tidy bug
[07:43:51] <josch>	well i asked a lot but
[07:44:10] <josch>	i dont want to be a bother if nobody has an idea how to solve it
[07:44:31] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35588 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (settings.php settings.php.example): 
[07:44:31] <CIA-51>	move settings.php to settings.php.example , to prevent clobbering of
[07:44:31] <CIA-51>	settings
[07:44:45] <Splarka>	what is that line in brion's sig.. something like.. 
[07:44:59] <Splarka>	"Play 'Stump the Mediawiki Developers' live on #mediawiki "
[07:51:55] <bazz>	Is there a recommended way to have pages that fall into different "categories"?  For example, on a music wiki i might have 'instrument pages' or 'song pages'.  I'd like to be able to show all of each kind of page, or maybe a subset of the most active, etc.
[07:53:44] <Zven86>	do you mean query the intersection/union numbers of articles in categories etc?
[07:54:07] <josch>	bazz: do you want a combination or intresection of both categories?
[07:55:45] <bazz>	neither, i just want to separate my pages into categories.  i don't ever need to intersect or union them (they are distinct sets anyway, so the intersection would be empty anyway).  i would like to be able to link to multiple 'kinds' of pages from within the same page though
[07:56:49] <Zven86>	you can categorize any way you like, and make a like to a category by escaping the categoy e.g. [[:Category:Foo]] makes a link to the Foo category
[07:56:55] <Zven86>	(link)
[07:57:29] <bazz>	so when i create a new page, how do i put it in a category?
[07:57:53] <Zven86>	[Category:Foo]] wikisyntax categorized the article (page)
[07:58:18] <Zven86>	[[:Category:Foo]] makes a like to the category foo without categorizing it
[07:58:25] <Zven86>	(makes a link)
[07:59:48] <bazz>	ahh, okay, thanks much
[08:00:32] <Zven86>	are you really wanting mutually exclusive categories?
[08:01:48] <Zven86>	Using templates to categorize is a good way to go as you have complete control over the categrization through the template
[08:02:30] <Zven86>	See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization
[08:03:18] <bazz>	i really do want mutually exclusive categories yeah.  got a link to documentation on using templates?
[08:03:37] <bazz>	(i'm new to mediawiki so sorry if my questions seem silly, and thanks much for the help)
[08:03:59] <Zven86>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template
[08:04:21] <Zven86>	Just remember [[ is link, {{ is embed
[08:04:37] <Zven86>	And in templates {{{params}}} are parameters for key=value inputs
[08:06:09] <Zven86>	This is also important http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Noinclude.2C_includeonly.2C_and_onlyinclude
[08:12:07] <bazz>	i'm not quite following how templates would be useful to categorize stuff.  do you just mean for layout stuff so i could have a template for (say) an instrument page that puts what i want on all my instrument pages?
[08:15:24] <Zven86>	When you create a template it is defining a structure of content, when you apply a template to an article it creates an instance of that template
[08:15:44] <Zven86>	so the template can also categorize automatically if you like
[08:16:08] <Zven86>	Now central changes to the template will propergate to all articles in which the template is used
[08:17:23] <bazz>	right i get that.  i would i categorize automatically by putting [[Category:blah]] in the template?
[08:18:06] <Zven86>	Yes, and this means that if you change the categorization in the template later that propergates to all articles without having to edit them
[08:19:42] <josch>	ah!!
[08:19:46] <josch>	I'm one step further
[08:19:51] *josch 	read the source
[08:19:56] <josch>	<!-- Tidy found serious XHTML errors -->
[08:20:10] <josch>	this gets only appended when tidy is unable to tidy up the html
[08:20:24] <josch>	and as i reported this happend a lot
[08:20:26] <josch>	but
[08:20:28] <AhmadSherif>	how can I create a patch
[08:21:21] <josch>	there is some kinf of internal tidy
[08:21:24] <josch>	and external tidy
[08:21:31] <josch>	could someone explain what is what?
[08:23:21] <bazz>	Zven86: okay, that makes sense.  now, say i want to have a page that lists some of the instrument pages and some of the song pages, is there a way to do that (i'm happy to write php if i need to)
[08:23:32] <josch>	it seems that there is an external tidy application called in externalTidy
[08:24:49] <josch>	as i do not have the application installed it seems an internal tidy is used but fails
[08:24:56] <josch>	this i can read from the comment being appended
[08:25:07] <josch>	maybe i should try the external tidy app?
[08:25:39] <bazz>	josch: i missed the beginning of what you're working on, but if you're looking for tidy it's at tidy.sourceforge.net 
[08:26:05] <josch>	yeah i also have it in my distros repositories
[08:26:35] <josch>	maybe this tidy does something else than the other
[08:26:55] <josch>	what does wikipedia use?
[08:27:39] <bazz>	no idea, sorry
[08:27:44] <josch>	np
[08:27:59] <josch>	i look for help where ever i can to solve this nasty issue
[08:27:59] <jcims>	quick n00b question, is there a means of standardizing the input of certain types of information?  for example, say i want to have a standard method of adding 'host' information to my wiki...can i use some structure ala wikipedia templates to require ip address, hostname, contact, etc?
[08:28:02] <Zven86>	bazz: can be provide more detail?
[08:28:08] <josch>	by reading the source i got one step further
[08:28:14] <jcims>	and if so, can i then create a page to look up all of the 'hosts' that are in the wiki?
[08:29:15] <bazz>	Zven86: what i mean is, say i have a main page where i want to say, hey here are a few instrument pages and here are a few song pages, maybe in different boxes, how would i do that?
[08:29:24] <josch>	i also could use $wgDebugTidy...
[08:29:51] <Zven86>	Sounds like standard wikitext can make the links to different articles
[08:30:17] <bazz>	Zven86: yeah, but if i want it to be dynamic, like say the 5 most recently edited instrument pages
[08:30:22] <josch>	you also can create some templates that you fill with the markup necessary for the boxes
[08:30:41] <bazz>	josch: nod
[08:30:46] <Zven86>	dpl of semantic mediawiki
[08:30:55] <Zven86>	and also CategoryTree
[08:31:08] <bazz>	dpl?
[08:31:13] <Zven86>	Dynamic page list
[08:31:15] <Zven86>	!dpl
[08:31:15] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[08:31:27] <Zven86>	!smw
[08:31:27] --mwbot--	SemanticMediaWiki is an extension that lets you conenct wiki pages with semantic relations. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki> and <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/>. Mailing lists are available at <http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=147937>.
[08:31:53] <Zven86>	!categoryTree
[08:31:53] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "categorytree".
[08:32:33] <josch>	!CategoryTree
[08:32:33] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "categorytree".
[08:32:33] <Zven86>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[08:32:40] <josch>	hrm--
[08:32:43] <bazz>	cool, thanks
[08:34:44] <Zven86>	bazz: Also you might be interested in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CurrentPages
[08:34:57] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35589 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialGlobalUsers.php: Make usernames first character caseinsensitive as usernames with lower first character are never allowed.
[08:35:03] <bazz>	okay, my turn for a n00b question, when you make a page like Foo:Bar what is the significance of Foo and Bar?  Is Foo a namespace or somesuch?
[08:35:15] <bazz>	Zven86: mmm, lots of reading to do, thanks :)
[08:35:21] <Zven86>	Foo is the namespace, but only if defined as one
[08:35:46] <Zven86>	:Bar is the article
[08:36:06] <Zven86>	Namespace examples; : (Main), Template:, Cetegory:, MediaWiki: etc
[08:36:27] <Zven86>	General wiki article go into the main namespace
[08:36:31] <Zven86>	(articles)
[08:37:14] <Zven86>	Realy namespaces are for grouping articles that have something to do with the interface
[08:37:16] <bazz>	so would namespaces not be a good way to split my pages up?  have pages like Instrument:Guitar, or is that a no no for some reason?
[08:37:25] <Zven86>	No, use categories
[08:37:34] <bazz>	okay
[08:38:23] <Zven86>	Some wikipedia namespaces worth looking into Wikipedia:, and Help:
[08:38:35] <Zven86>	see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Namespace
[08:38:54] <simonrvn>	s,Wikipedia:,Project:, ;p
[08:39:53] <Zven86>	bazz, if you havent checkout out wikitext much see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
[08:40:50] <bazz>	yeah, that's a very useful page :)
[08:40:54] <Zven86>	yip
[08:49:04] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35590 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Avoid LTR text confusion in rights list in he.
[08:49:58] <john_>	I have some problems with my own wiki, I need some help, pls
[08:52:48] <john_>	Can someone help me?
[08:56:23] <Duesentrieb>	!ask | john_
[08:56:23] --mwbot--	john_: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[08:57:01] <john_>	ok
[08:57:02] <john_>	Problem Description: When a user uploads an image, and tries to make a thumbnail of it every once in a while the directory (/images/thumb/xxx..) has the wrong permissions, 644 instead of 755. This happens with thumbnails. The solution is of course to chmod to directory to 755, but I was wondering why would mw create directories with wrong permissions? It is kind of a pain to always manually...
[08:57:04] <john_>	...execute chmod -commands. I need to put something in .htacces?
[08:58:03] <Duesentrieb>	john_: have you read this? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Check_directory_security
[08:58:14] <Duesentrieb>	especially the bit about suphp
[08:59:34] <john_>	my wiki is hosted, so I think I don't have acces to /etc/suphp.conf.
[09:00:17] <Duesentrieb>	john_: ask them about it, then.
[09:02:05] <john_>	ok, thanks
[09:08:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: page layout templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2187  (10david.mestel)
[09:17:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10spacebirdy)
[09:27:31] <bazz>	if i'm gonna be creating my own skin, should i really go the phptal way, or is the straight up php way okay too?
[09:28:13] <Anonona_DC>	erm... is there a way to eliminate confusion w/ the prefix "www." ? Just tortured myself trying to remember my login on www.xyz.com's wiki, while remaining logged in on xyz.com's wiki
[09:28:28] <Anonona_DC>	apparently the one login doesn't work for the other
[09:30:08] <Splarka>	what do you have $wgCookieDomain set to?
[09:30:38] <Splarka>	maybe try setting it to:  $wgCookieDomain = '.xyz.com';
[09:30:54] <Anonona_DC>	default
[09:31:06] <Anonona_DC>	thanks
[09:31:31] <Splarka>	np (if it works)
[09:39:07] <Olipro>	OMG Splarka
[09:39:28] <Splarka>	ra?
[09:58:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) distinguish between local and shared repository dupes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14147  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[10:05:32] <chmod007|work>	what does a group membership of "*" signify?
[10:07:20] <Splarka>	anonymous users (not logged in)
[10:07:49] <Splarka>	but cascades to all other groups (implied group for all)
[10:10:51] <chmod007|work>	ah.
[10:15:33] <Xiong>	engineering would be more fun if it were not for the clients
[10:27:31] <yeKcim>	hi, i need to add a html form in a mediawiki article i can't find any way to do that, anybody can help me please ?
[10:28:36] <chmod007|work>	you'll need an extension.
[10:30:19] <yeKcim>	formtools ?
[10:32:45] <chmod007|work>	i don't have any recommendations, sorry.
[10:33:37] <yeKcim>	thaks
[10:33:45] <yeKcim>	thanks
[10:46:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable upload for administrators and set correct time zone in Hungarian Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14343 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bdanee88)
[10:53:13] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35591 10/trunk/extensions/ (21 files in 6 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[10:53:26] <Nikerabbit>	ouch
[11:10:52] <alnokta>	can i have a little help with imagemap?
[11:11:24] <Charitwo>	alnokta: what about it, to be specific
[11:12:04] <alnokta>	Charitwo, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Alnokta it only wants to add one link
[11:12:29] <alnokta>	Charitwo, the first word (from the right) isn't linking
[11:12:46] <alnokta>	circle 395 56 392 126 265 137 273 70 [[ويكيبيديا:ترحيب بالقادمين الجدد]]
[11:13:33] <Charitwo>	not entirely sure, it might have something to do with the way hebrew is displayed on screen, but the syntax appears correct
[11:14:05] <ialex>	alnokta: maybe use an interwiki prefix
[11:14:43] <alnokta>	ialex, if you try to click on the last word, it gives you a link 
[11:14:53] <alnokta>	Charitwo, ok, lets try with latin
[11:15:35] <Xiong_>	test
[11:16:08] <alnokta>	no difference , it makes a link to TEST1 and discards TESTING link
[11:16:20] <Charitwo>	odd
[11:17:49] <alnokta>	where is tim when you need one :P
[11:17:54] <ialex>	alnokta: the second circle is about in the same place as the first one
[11:18:20] <ialex>	392 71 394 vs. 395 56 392
[11:18:35] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[11:18:47] <ialex>	hello Jack_Phoenix :)
[11:18:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[11:19:16] <rainman-sr>	circle of hell?
[11:22:25] <Splarka>	... why 8 number parameters for a circle?
[11:23:35] <Splarka>	the circles work for me, but they are both huge and both overlapping, perhaps you didn't scale them properly?
[11:24:40] <alnokta2>	Splarka, i'm using ImageMapEdit.NET
[11:25:12] <alnokta2>	Splarka, now i choose circle and made it 3 para. and nothing works 
[11:26:29] <alnokta2>	Splarka, can you help? 
[11:26:42] <Splarka>	alnokta2: well, are you modifying on the full scale image? or a thumbnail?
[11:26:51] <Splarka>	I thought I was already
[11:27:43] <Splarka>	http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3194/circle1rn6.gif  here is where the link is being put
[11:27:48] <Splarka>	the other one right below it
[11:29:40] <Splarka>	it is adding both links, but at the same place, almost
[11:29:51] <Splarka>	first at 392,71 with a radius of 394 pixels
[11:30:03] <Splarka>	next at 395,56 with r392
[11:30:18] <Splarka>	maybe you don't mean circle?
[11:34:21] <alnokta2>	Splarka, sorry, i was afk, yes . i just want the two links on each of the words
[11:34:51] <Splarka>	well, whatever your generating the circle links with, completely wrong...
[11:35:20] <alnokta2>	Splarka, yes as it seems 
[11:35:25] <alnokta2>	;)
[11:35:30] <Splarka>	rectangles would make more sense...
[11:36:12] *Splarka 	ponders
[11:36:28] <alnokta2>	but how to generate proper parameters?
[11:37:20] <Splarka>	ehm...
[11:37:45] *Splarka 	tests
[11:38:07] <Splarka>	manually is easiest for me
[11:38:31] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Alnokta?action=purge
[11:38:34] <Splarka>	see the second one there
[11:38:45] <alnokta2>	these numbers are pixels?
[11:38:55] <Splarka>	yes, but relative to the full scale image
[11:39:16] <Splarka>	which on SVG is... um...
[11:39:27] <Splarka>	waitaminute, how *does* that work on SVG
[11:39:29] *Splarka 	confused
[11:40:31] <Splarka>	nominally 1311 × 556
[11:40:35] <Splarka>	okay, so that is the full size
[11:40:56] <alnokta2>	may be it works on the 400 px 
[11:40:56] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Welcome_wikipedia_arabic.svg/800px-Welcome_wikipedia_arabic.svg.png
[11:41:02] <Splarka>	well
[11:41:06] <Splarka>	no, it works off the full size
[11:41:10] <Splarka>	for the coordinates
[11:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Central project pages need CSS for mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14340  summary; +comment (10danny_b)
[11:41:17] <alnokta2>	Splarka, anyway, thanks for fixing it :)
[11:41:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny_b)
[11:41:21] <Splarka>	it does this so you can scale it after doing all the calculation
[11:41:29] <Splarka>	np
[11:41:55] <alnokta2>	ah
[11:42:23] <alnokta2>	i think there should be an easier interface :P
[11:44:28] <Splarka>	well, certain web development kids can do it properly, heh
[11:44:39] <Splarka>	first rule is: grab the full sized image, or on svg the largest thumbnail
[11:44:50] <Splarka>	then import that, and design a usemap around such
[11:44:55] <Splarka>	then... sleep for the night!
[11:45:02] <Duesentrieb>	there's no "largest thumbnail" for svgm is there?
[11:45:09] <Duesentrieb>	you can blow it up as far as you like
[11:45:10] <Splarka>	there is a limit...
[11:45:13] <Splarka>	try it
[11:45:34] <Duesentrieb>	a fixed limit in pixels, or is it just the time/memory limit being hit and the renderer being shot down?
[11:45:39] <Splarka>	I think it is 2048
[11:45:46] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:45:54] <Splarka>	but that isn't the size used in the imagemap
[11:46:02] <Splarka>	so maybe it uses the nominal image size
[11:46:05] <Splarka>	bah
[11:46:06] <Splarka>	too sleepy
[11:46:12] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb will figure it all out
[11:46:28] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[11:46:30] <Splarka>	and yes, it is a hard pixel limit, or at least, that is what is reached first in a perfect world
[11:57:58] <CIA-51>	03nad * r35592 10/trunk/extensions/EmailArticle/EmailArticle_body.php: User select wrappers and add quotes
[12:07:06] <CIA-51>	03nad * r35593 10/trunk/extensions/EmailArticle/EmailArticle.php: Update version number and date
[12:07:43] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35594 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates German
[12:11:50] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[12:12:00] <Nikerabbit>	any central auth developers around?
[12:12:21] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_? http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Add_link_to_SUL_username_collisions_detector_to_MediaWiki:Centralauth-complete-text
[12:14:32] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: sounds reasonable. maybe we should make an exemption and add a link to the toolserver? CentralAuth contains more WMF specific words
[12:15:39] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: may tim should decide?
[12:16:00] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: maybe, but he's not around and I'm little busy
[12:16:18] *Raymond_ 	is busy too... have to go into real live :)
[12:16:26] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[12:16:36] *Nikerabbit 	too has other things to do than hunt people
[12:16:38] <flyingparchment>	you should turn it into a stable toolserver tool before linking to it
[12:22:01] *Werdna 	waves
[12:23:03] <Charitwo>	hey wer
[12:27:03] <fxcp>	hm, how to prevent everyone can modify the content? how to allow only registered users to modify the content?
[12:27:41] <Werdna>	!access | fxcp 
[12:27:41] --mwbot--	fxcp: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[12:27:52] <fxcp>	thx
[12:59:03] <Nikerabbit>	gosh the flood when a wiki is inaccessible :o
[13:08:00] <hoggwild5>	Morning all....TGIF!
[13:09:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enter button in Renameuser form has wrong behaviour - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14344 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (jhsoby)
[13:16:21] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35595 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (5 files): 
[13:16:21] <CIA-51>	* Use a proper factory for newFromRow
[13:16:21] <CIA-51>	* Don't remove found files from the $titles parameter in findFiles
[13:18:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Feature request: Get access to the 'flagged Revisions' interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14345 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (guandalug)
[13:20:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: Get access to the 'flagged Revisions' interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14345  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:32:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: Get access to the 'flagged Revisions' interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14345  (10N/A)
[13:41:32] <trek123>	how many servers does WikiMedia have?
[13:43:57] <mark>	about 350
[13:58:43] <Buzz_>	wow..
[13:58:46] <Buzz_>	a lot of servers
[14:01:01] <Buzz_>	how is replication done ? lots of slaves and writes via one master ? or
[14:01:09] <Buzz_>	some network filesystem stuff also ?
[14:02:22] *Buzz_ 	will read http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers
[14:05:14] <NicDumZ>	mmmh... apparently we can't login anymore with our bots with pywikipedia. I'm trying to debug this atm, but is there is some documentation about what changed in the auth procedure during the last couple of days ?
[14:06:33] <mmcgrath>	is there a way to get an rss feed of the changes in my watchlist?
[14:06:58] <NicDumZ>	sadly I wasnt the one who wrote the login handler, so it's a bit tricky to debug. 
[14:10:29] <mmcgrath>	nm, found it, api.php
[14:11:16] <MinuteElectron>	NicDumZ: Which mechanism does pywikipedia use?
[14:11:34] *MinuteElectron 	can log into Wikipedia fine using the api.
[14:11:51] <NicDumZ>	post on Special:UserLogin
[14:12:17] <NicDumZ>	and then stores the returned cookie
[14:13:37] <MinuteElectron>	bah
[14:13:44] <MinuteElectron>	api ftw
[14:14:51] <NicDumZ>	... yes, we're working on the api on a branch, but for now we have to cope with that ugly screenscraping
[14:15:49] <MinuteElectron>	why do you need to screenscrape login?
[14:16:13] <NicDumZ>	we don't, just that the old pywikipedia is doing a lot of screenscraping ;=)
[14:16:32] <NicDumZ>	in general, not particularly at login
[14:17:10] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35596 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (5 files): documentation
[14:19:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multilingual Wikisource and its language subdomains - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4758  (10jkbwiki)
[14:21:25] <MinuteElectron>	NicDumZ: have you tried debugging by getting the full output of the page and viewing it in your browser?
[14:22:44] <NicDumZ>	currently seeing the HTTP responses : on a (successful ?) login, I'm returned a 302 to http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Connexion&wpCookieCheck=login
[14:32:09] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35597 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: 
[14:32:09] <CIA-51>	Fixed string comparison of filter values to get proper display of Boolean
[14:32:09] <CIA-51>	'no' value; fixed HTML for display of categories with no pages; improved
[14:32:09] <CIA-51>	tabbed formatting of HTML
[14:38:33] <trops>	Is possible remove the anonymous right to view revision page?
[14:39:01] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35598 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Replaced hardcoded text with language-file value
[14:39:35] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35599 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/ (INSTALL includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.4.3
[14:42:13] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35600 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (NOTES controller.php view.php): Some tidying up and documenting
[14:48:32] <therabidpenguin>	newbie to mediawiki and need some help
[14:49:11] <therabidpenguin>	need to edit the menus on the left and have no idea...
[14:50:09] <therabidpenguin>	found page on mediawiki site that says to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar but I get a message 404 not found: The requested URL /MediaWiki:Sidebar does not exist. 
[14:50:11] <trops>	therabidpenguin: edit MediaWiki:Sidebar
[14:50:36] <therabidpenguin>	trops, i get a 404 on that page
[14:50:41] <trops>	ohhh :(
[14:50:49] <chmod007|work>	you probably want /wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar or /w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar
[14:50:50] <trops>	so, I do not know
[14:51:30] <therabidpenguin>	 index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar works!
[14:51:30] <therabidpenguin>	thanks
[14:51:43] <chmod007|work>	no problem.
[14:51:57] <therabidpenguin>	what would make that work but not MediaWiki:Sidabar  ?
[14:53:01] <chmod007|work>	you probably haven't set up redirects in your web server.
[14:53:09] <chmod007|work>	what's the URL of the main page?
[14:54:20] <therabidpenguin>	wiki.sportschatkc.com
[14:55:29] <trops>	how do I do to list all articles of one namespace?
[14:55:32] <chmod007|work>	yeah, your redirects are weird.
[14:55:53] <chmod007|work>	trops: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages
[14:57:24] <Angela_H>	I am not quite sure whether this is the right place to ask, but what do I do if I cannot login at bugzilla.wikimedia.org ?
[14:58:28] <trops>	chmod007|work: thanks man! :D
[14:58:42] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35601 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputHandler.php: Fixed excessive memory usage in PCRE in wfMangleFlashPolicy(). Was causing OOM on various big pages. Possible upstream regression, deserves investigation.
[14:59:01] <NicDumZ>	grrrrrrrrrrrrr I can't login properly on es:
[15:00:13] <therabidpenguin>	This software is confusing. :(
[15:00:32] <NicDumZ>	I log in, and try to access the watchlist, it says im not logged in anymore :)
[15:02:35] <NicDumZ>	mm... and that only happens on es:
[15:06:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697  normal->high; +comment (10lars-wikimediabugzilla)
[15:11:19] <NicDumZ>	okay, I can log in again, after having deleted all the es.wp cookies, including the CentralAuth ones
[15:12:30] <trops>	I moved the article of main namespace, but they are in main namespace. how do I do to update the cache/content/etc?
[15:32:45] <therabidpenguin>	I have made changes to MediaWiki:Sidebar but they are not appearign ont he site. :(
[15:36:45] <Angela_H>	Hmm, probably this was the wrong place to ask the question above...
[15:38:24] <therabidpenguin>	?
[15:46:36] <therabidpenguin>	Why aren;t changes to MediaWiki:Sidebar not appearign on my site! :(
[15:51:38] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35602 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Added upload support to fields that use autocompletion
[15:54:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  (10N/A)
[15:58:16] <therabidpenguin>	Is there no one that can help me with my issue?
[16:01:09] <mib_4zdf2n>	are there any en.wikisource admins on that can do a user rename?
[16:06:23] <therabidpenguin>	Is there anyone here that will answer questions?
[16:08:03] <rainman-sr>	!ask
[16:08:03] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:09:26] <therabidpenguin>	rainman-sr, I have asked
[16:09:50] <mib_4zdf2n>	therabidpenguin: whats the question?
[16:10:10] <therabidpenguin>	Why do my changes to MediaWiki:Sidebar nto appear on my site?
[16:10:18] <therabidpenguin>	*not
[16:10:26] <mib_4zdf2n>	are you using any sort of caching?
[16:10:32] <mib_4zdf2n>	memcached or something?
[16:10:32] <therabidpenguin>	no
[16:10:48] <mib_4zdf2n>	do you have any custom extensions installed that might change that value?
[16:11:42] <therabidpenguin>	I have not added any extensions.  this is a fresh install I jsut did this morning
[16:12:03] <mib_4zdf2n>	did you try doing an action=purge on a page?
[16:13:21] <therabidpenguin>	yes
[16:13:59] <rainman-sr>	what's your site?
[16:14:17] <therabidpenguin>	I purged the objectcache tabel also.
[16:14:28] <therabidpenguin>	http://wiki.sportschatkc.com
[16:15:53] <rainman-sr>	**[http://www.sportschatkc.com Forums]
[16:16:00] <mib_4zdf2n>	try taking the link out of there and making that line look like this:  **http://www.sportschatkc.com|Forums
[16:16:01] <rainman-sr>	this prolly won't work?
[16:16:39] <rainman-sr>	or, make two new messages: MediaWiki:forum-url (with the url) and MediaWiki:forum (with the text)
[16:16:41] <mib_4zdf2n>	originally, the format was **system-msg-corresponding-to-url|system-msg-corresponding-to-link
[16:16:49] <rainman-sr>	and then use those like forum-url|forum
[16:17:46] <therabidpenguin>	**http://www.sportschatkc.com|Forums worked!
[16:18:54] <therabidpenguin>	thanks!
[16:19:30] <mib_4zdf2n>	remember to check mediawiki.org for help on this stuff too.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar has some good info
[16:21:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove rollback link on own edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14332  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:21:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  +comment (10brion)
[16:24:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10spacebirdy)
[16:24:27] <Simetrical>	Why doesn't gedit accept input on stdin?
[16:24:53] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35603 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/SearchTriple/SMW_SpecialPageProperty.php: always sort results
[16:26:53] <cdavis>	I run ubuntu, is there a good external gui editor for mediawiki?  I don't care if it is not very integrated and I have to cut and paste
[16:32:08] <Simetrical>	cdavis, if by "good" you mean "can handle all syntax features", no.  If you mean "can deal with stuff like bold and headings and hopefully not actively screw up the rest", then maybe.
[16:32:30] <Simetrical>	I have some vague recollection that OpenOffice can import MW syntax, although not sure about import.  FCKeditor sort of works, but I don't know if that's off-line.
[16:33:12] <cdavis>	Simetrical, I am willing to try anything actually. Just something that has more features than the build in editor
[16:33:27] <hoggwild5>	cdavis:  I run Ubuntu as well...I personally like Bluefish.
[16:34:16] <cdavis>	hoggwild5, thanks, I will go check that out
[16:34:32] <Simetrical>	cdavis, unfortunately wikisyntax is horribly complicated, deeply dependent on configuration options and database contents, and has not even an attempt at formal specification, so you're not going to get really great external editors.
[16:34:45] <Simetrical>	You may find some acceptable ones, depending on your standards, but I don't know much about it.
[16:35:26] <cdavis>	hoggwild5, does bluefish handle simple wiki markup well?
[16:36:15] <hoggwild5>	:/ I'm not sure....I don't do alot of external editing of Wiki markup.  I think if you indicate you're editing a .txt file, It will be fine.
[16:37:59] <Simetrical>	hoggwild5, I think cdavis means like a WYSIWYG editor or something.
[16:38:37] <hoggwild5>	Oh...sorry, I was working on a tag extension...that's what I get for jumping in without paying attention :)
[16:39:01] <hoggwild5>	I've tested a bunch of WYSIWYG editors for MediaWiki, and they all suck.
[16:39:07] <hoggwild5>	:p
[16:39:13] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35604 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[16:42:51] <cdavis>	hoggwild5, those are my findings as well
[16:52:27] <Dantman>	Hmmm... installer is creating users using the _ wildcard instead of escaping it... bleh
[16:52:43] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35605 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[17:02:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697  (10michael.frey)
[17:07:31] <CIA-51>	03midom * r35606 10/trunk/extensions/TitleKey/TitleKey_body.php: don't use ref column in ORDER BY
[17:07:41] <Adeene>	aloha everybody!
[17:10:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Filter CSS elements entered by users that have the potential to be disruptive (en.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14346 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (richardjenkins28)
[17:13:46] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Filter CSS elements entered by users that have the potential to be disruptive (en.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14346  +comment (10brion)
[17:13:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consider blacklisting CSS attributes "z-index" and "position" in wiki text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8679  +comment (10brion)
[17:14:11] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  +comment (10brion)
[17:14:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consider blacklisting CSS attributes "z-index" and "position" in wiki text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8679  +comment (10brion)
[17:14:27] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) overly-permissive CSS restrictions allow spoofing of login link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7303  +comment (10brion)
[17:14:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consider blacklisting CSS attributes "z-index" and "position" in wiki text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8679  +comment (10brion)
[17:17:20] <therabidpenguin>	I have set $wgEnableUploads = true; # Enable uploads
[17:17:20] <therabidpenguin>	I have set $wgEnableUploads = true; but it is tellign me that uploads are diabled.
[17:18:27] <tekmosis>	Where are you setting that?
[17:19:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:22:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consider blacklisting CSS attributes "z-index" and "position" in wiki text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8679  (10richardjenkins28)
[17:25:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  (10dasch_87)
[17:27:05] <therabidpenguin>	I got it.  My localsettigns file was not uploading when I saved it for some reason
[17:28:25] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35607 10/trunk/extensions/TitleKey/TitleKey_body.php: apply the single-namespace hack from core prefix search... we can't do an efficient multi-namespace search with this db index currently
[17:30:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  (10spacebirdy)
[17:33:54] <asarand>	I have been unable to locate a specific example of modifying the $wgLogo variable correctly. I get no icon. The way I did it was to copy the $wgLogo variable line from DefaultSettings.php to LocalSettings.php. I then changed the keyword false to the url of my logo, as follows: "{$wgStylePath}/GreatCrystal/wiki.png". What am I doing wrong? 
[17:34:34] <CIA-51>	03ktchan * r35608 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.php: Make date consistent to what was actually used.
[17:44:38] *asarand 	drums my fingers on the desk
[17:46:28] *asarand 	contemplates life in the internet chat zone
[17:50:16] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35609 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/SpecialUpload.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): Perform a duplicate check on upload and throw a warning which can be observed or ignored.
[17:51:14] <brion>	asarand: $wgStylePath may not be set at that point of your file. if it's not, try using a direct path
[17:51:39] <Simetrical>	Geez, why is it that all these lawsuits are filed against Wikimedia Deutschland?  I thought Americans were supposed to be the litigious ones.
[17:52:04] <asarand>	I looked at the entries in DefaultSettings.php and determined the path to be /wiki/skins/
[17:52:15] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: lawsuits?! do you have a link to that?
[17:52:39] <CIA-51>	03midom * r35610 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialCategories.php: force an index here :)
[17:52:45] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, there have been a bunch.  The latest one I read about here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-05-26/News_and_notes
[17:53:11] <Simetrical>	A previous one was even lost and the court shut down wikimedia.de, although it was overturned on appeal.
[17:53:45] <MinuteElectron>	a shame...
[17:54:36] <asarand>	OK. The $wgStylePath variable is set at the beginning of the DefaultSettings.php file. I put the $wgLogo copy at the end of the LocalSettings.php file
[17:55:27] <Simetrical>	asarand, could you link to your site?
[17:55:58] <asarand>	yes. http://3dcrystal.ff12maps.com/wiki/index.php/FF12Maps_Wiki
[17:56:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck useless when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[17:57:16] <Simetrical>	asarand, your $wgLogo is pointing here: http://3dcrystal.ff12maps.com/GreatCrystal/wiki.png
[17:57:18] <Simetrical>	There's nothing there.
[17:57:22] <Simetrical>	You need to provide a valid path.
[17:57:31] <Simetrical>	What's it set to in LocalSettings.php?
[17:57:39] <asarand>	Can you tell me how you determined that? Please?
[17:57:50] <Simetrical>	asarand, I looked at the HTML source of the page.
[17:57:57] <Simetrical>		<div class="portlet" id="p-logo">
[17:57:57] <Simetrical>			<a style="background-image: url(/GreatCrystal/wiki.png);" href="/wiki/index.php/Main_Page" title="Visit the Main Page [z]" accesskey="z"></a>
[17:57:57] <Simetrical>		</div>
[17:59:02] <asarand>	I see. OK. Well, like I said, I looked at the default settings and determined that wgStylePath was pointing to /wiki/skins/. I thought the path was correct.
[18:00:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck useless when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[18:00:12] <Bryan>	hmmm
[18:00:21] <Bryan>	actually it *does* log you in properly
[18:00:26] <asarand>	This is the entire line as I have it in my localsettings.php. $wgLogo				= "{$wgStylePath}/GreatCrystal/wiki.png"; /// defaults to "{$wgStylePath}/common/images/wiki.png"
[18:01:13] <Simetrical>	asarand, it appears that $wgStylePath is not set at that point in the code.
[18:01:31] <Simetrical>	Try entering in /wiki/skins or whatnot in its place.
[18:01:36] <Bryan>	I'm a little bit confused over CentralAuth
[18:01:48] <Dantman|FS>	Nah... just set $wgStylePath yourself
[18:01:52] <asarand>	interesting. DefaultSettings.php doesn't get loaded before LocalSettings.php?
[18:02:00] <Dantman|FS>	It does
[18:02:07] <Dantman|FS>	But that's set to false
[18:02:14] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35611 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[18:02:15] <hoggwild5>	asarand:  It's included at the beginning of the LocalSettings.php file
[18:02:24] <Dantman|FS>	When it's false it gets set in Setup.php
[18:02:50] <Simetrical>	Ah, right.
[18:02:58] <Simetrical>	That's the thing.
[18:03:06] <asarand>	ok. so in the copy I added to LocalSettings.php, I should replace false with true? or false with a path?
[18:03:13] <Dantman|FS>	A path
[18:03:14] <davidb>	Hi all... I'm spoiled for choice. I have a brand new mediawiki install and I'm stumped about how to organize my pages. Do I want :'s or /'s, and do I want namespaces?  (I've skimmed the faq and manual)
[18:03:16] <Simetrical>	asarand, replace {$wgStylePath} with a path.
[18:03:20] <Dantman|FS>	Just manually set it to the default
[18:03:30] <Dantman|FS>	I always do that myself
[18:03:59] <asarand>	OK. I already tried just setting it to /skins/GreatCrystal/wiki.png and no go. I tried adding /wiki. still no go.
[18:04:12] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Anyone think it would be interesting if we used single quotes, and replaced instances of php variables inside of paths at runtime?
[18:04:52] <hoggwild5>	Asarand:  Try "$wgScriptPath/wiki/skins/GreatCrystalWiki.png"; and see if that works.
[18:04:53] <Simetrical>	asarand, set it to "/wiki/skins/GreatCrystal/wiki.png"
[18:04:56] <Dantman|FS>	So using '{$wgStylePath}/foo' would end in the style path at runtime being set
[18:05:00] <Simetrical>	hoggwild5, no, that's bad.
[18:05:06] <hoggwild5>	is it?
[18:05:14] <Simetrical>	hoggwild5, yes, $wgScriptPath in this case is /wiki.
[18:05:30] <hoggwild5>	OK....
[18:06:02] <hoggwild5>	I just did this last week, and I couldn't get $wgStylePath to work either....Let me look and see what I did...
[18:06:14] <Dantman|FS>	"$IP/skins/GreatCrystalWiki.png"
[18:06:34] <Dantman|FS>	Though, honnestly
[18:06:42] <asarand>	OK. That worked. I could've sworn I already tried that and it didn't work. Go figure
[18:07:08] <asarand>	I set it to /wiki/skins/GreatrCrystal/wiki.png
[18:07:26] <hoggwild5>	Asarnand...my bad. I did it exactly the way you just did too.
[18:07:37] <Dantman|FS>	$wgStylePath = "$IP/skins";$wgLogo = "{$wgStylePath}/GreatCrystal/wiki.png"
[18:07:38] <hoggwild5>	That was the only way I could get it to work.
[18:09:20] <Dantman|FS>	Ack... scrap the $IP
[18:09:40] <Dantman|FS>	$wgStylePath = "$wgScriptPath/skins";
[18:09:51] <asarand>	OK. I have one big question. Is it possible to have the skin foldername (like monobook) be in a variable that I can change so that the logo is looked for in that folder? I want to have different skins with different logos, and have each one's logo show up when you change skins.
[18:11:01] <chmod007|work>	you could use a transparent image and use a background image in css in your skin, I suppose…
[18:11:40] <AhmadSherif>	hi brion, what do you think of this patch http://rafb.net/p/Pw6uHE40.html
[18:12:04] <AhmadSherif>	brion, for rtl wikis external icons
[18:12:32] <Dantman|FS>	For that, you should use a $wgExtensionFunction and use that to set the path then or sometime later
[18:12:36] <brion>	AhmadSherif: if it works right, sounds good :)
[18:12:43] <asarand>	what about something like this? var skinname = monobook; $wgLogo = "/wiki/skins/"+skinname+"/wiki.png";
[18:12:58] <AhmadSherif>	brion, i tested it and it works good
[18:13:21] <Dantman|FS>	asarand: The skin being used isn't set until far later on
[18:13:56] <asarand>	OK. Back to the drawing board then.
[18:14:08] <Dantman|FS>	Actually... for that kind of thing... you should probably ditch the variable and just hook into the skin and set the value in $tpl
[18:14:51] <Dantman|FS>	SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec
[18:15:16] <bazz>	is there a recommended extension for protecting sections of pages?  also, if i'm not worried about read access but only write access then can i not heed the access restriction warning?
[18:15:51] <brion>	bazz: there's one called like ProtectSection, might be good :)
[18:16:14] <asarand>	Thanks guys. You rock!
[18:16:24] <Simetrical>	AhmadSherif, not all the icons are 18px wide.
[18:16:30] <Simetrical>	Some are 12px, 13px, 19px, ...
[18:16:38] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Ya... that was a pretty good extension...... I contributed a bit to it... but the improvements were removed :/
[18:16:48] <Simetrical>	Too bad you can't say padding-left: padding-right; padding-right: 0;
[18:16:52] <bazz>	brion: yeah, i'm looking at that one right now.  there's also ProtectText and and PageProtectionPlus, i was wondering which was the 'best'
[18:17:31] <mib_cmqjdd>	bazz, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_specific_user_rights_extensions
[18:17:45] <AhmadSherif>	Simetrical, I know but I think it is better than duplication of the code like yesterday :)
[18:17:49] <Wiredtape>	hey... I uploaded an svg to the wiki, but it became all black? anyone have an idea why this would happen?
[18:18:02] <Simetrical>	AhmadSherif, I don't think so, honestly, but brion's the one in charge.
[18:18:06] <bazz>	mib_cmqjdd: cool, thanks
[18:19:15] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35612 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (ForeignDBRepo.php ForeignDBViaLBRepo.php): Forgot to remove the newFileFrom row thingies from ForeignDBRepo
[18:19:30] <Dantman|FS>	ProtectText is ugly... it does things manually with the db for permissions
[18:19:38] <AhmadSherif>	Simetrical, is there any thing to guide me on this matter?
[18:20:48] <Simetrical>	AhmadSherif, it's a matter of opinion, I guess.
[18:20:53] <bazz>	hrmm, ProtectSection isn't on the page mib_cmqjdd referenced.  is that because it only protects modifications?  if that's exactly what i want maybe that means i should use it :)
[18:20:55] <Dantman|FS>	No wait...
[18:21:14] <Enlighter>	how do I remove the TOC on all pages? I have been told before but cannot remember
[18:21:16] <Dantman|FS>	Ya, protect section just gives you tags that protect things
[18:21:20] <Enlighter>	thanks in advance btw
[18:21:57] <Simetrical>	AhmadSherif, IMO, your new proposed patch is incorrect, and that trumps any code duplication issues.
[18:22:01] <bazz>	Dantman|FS: is it pretty stable/secure?  it's marked as beta
[18:22:34] <Dantman|FS>	No wait... ProtectText doesn't do things manually for permissions... Even worse, it has a protectsolecontributor and to check that, it does a complete scan of every revosopm for that page.... Ick, can anyone say DDoS
[18:22:51] <Dantman|FS>	I've used it before, ProtectSection is quite nice
[18:22:54] <Simetrical>	brion, I don't like having the icon list duplicated in rtl.css.  It should be in main.css with the main list, otherwise people won't maintain them both.
[18:23:09] <Simetrical>	brion, and the width declarations, at least, have to be duplicated.
[18:23:13] <bazz>	Dantman|FS: cool, thanks
[18:23:17] <Wiredtape>	Anyone have an idea why an uploaded svg might turn black upon upload? (when viewed by wiki... - when i click on the image itself it goes back to looking normal)
[18:23:58] <brion>	Wiredtape: because you have a crappy svg renderer (imagemagick?)
[18:23:59] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, bug in rsvg.
[18:24:04] <Simetrical>	Or whatever you're using.
[18:24:49] <Dantman|afk>	If you're using one?
[18:24:57] <Wiredtape>	i am using one :)
[18:25:01] <Wiredtape>	what's a better one ?
[18:25:39] <Dantman|afk>	rsvg... if you can't get it easy (apt-package is best, it has a load of dependencies) then try inkscape
[18:25:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck useless when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347  (10nicdumz)
[18:26:08] <Wiredtape>	ok thanks, Dantman|afk, Simetrical, brion
[18:26:22] <Enlighter>	anyone have a link to the code that removes the TOC on all pages? or could someone just message me the code and the page it needs to be on?
[18:26:26] <AhmadSherif>	Simetrical, why it is incorrect?
[18:26:37] <Simetrical>	AhmadSherif, because it's the wrong size, it leaves ugly gaps for some images.
[18:27:24] <AhmadSherif>	Simetrical, i did that because you said that you don't want a duplicated code 
[18:28:05] <Simetrical>	AhmadSherif, no, Brion said that.
[18:28:24] <Simetrical>	Brion > me, as I said.  I would try to convince him that the duplicated code is unavoidable.
[18:29:39] <AhmadSherif>	Simetrical, I hope he will :) 
[18:31:40] <mib_cmqjdd>	Can admins rename users for SUL or does a bureaucrat need to do it? or does it vary?
[18:33:23] <Enlighter>	Simetrical, how can I remove the TOC from all pages, when you have a moment
[18:35:11] <mib_cmqjdd>	Enlighter, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ#For_all_pages
[18:35:21] <Enlighter>	thank you mib
[18:35:25] <Enlighter>	looked for ages for that
[18:35:30] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, CSS.
[18:35:56] <Enlighter>	couldn't find it in the documentation
[18:35:59] <Simetrical>	mib_cmqjdd, only bureaucrats, as usual, unless a community decides to give sysops rename rights.
[18:35:59] <Enlighter>	thank you very much
[18:36:06] <mib_cmqjdd>	yeah the documentation is not great
[18:36:10] <Enlighter>	eh
[18:36:13] <Enlighter>	it works though
[18:36:18] <Enlighter>	and this community is so awesome
[18:36:22] <Enlighter>	:: )
[18:36:25] <Simetrical>	mib_cmqjdd, what do you expect, it's a wiki!
[18:36:34] <Enlighter>	isn't there a way to just edit it right in the wiki though?
[18:36:40] <mib_cmqjdd>	that doesnt mean the software documentation has to be bad
[18:36:45] <Enlighter>	like bringing up a certain page
[18:36:49] <Enlighter>	and adding a line of code?
[18:36:53] <mib_cmqjdd>	MediaWiki:Common.css
[18:36:59] <Enlighter>	thats the one
[18:37:04] <Enlighter>	which method is better?
[18:37:08] <Enlighter>	or are they both the same?
[18:37:15] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, never edit the CSS files that come with the software.
[18:37:49] <Enlighter>	oh?
[18:38:25] <mib_cmqjdd>	are there any wikisource bureaucrats around?
[18:38:32] <Simetrical>	mib_cmqjdd, try #wikisource?
[18:38:37] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#For_all_pages
[18:38:44] <mib_cmqjdd>	Simetrical, thanks!
[18:39:32] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, or rather, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_can_I_hide_the_table_of_contents.3F
[18:39:50] <Enlighter>	nice
[18:40:00] <Enlighter>	thats the one I was looking for
[18:40:05] <Enlighter>	a bit easier
[18:40:09] <Enlighter>	than digging up the file itself
[18:40:39] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, as I say, never edit the actual CSS files.  They'll be overwritten when you upgrade, and there's no point, you can do it on-wiki.
[18:40:49] <Enlighter>	yeh
[18:40:56] <Enlighter>	I am learning slowly
[18:41:09] <Enlighter>	and if its done on the wiki it just gets stored on the database right?
[18:41:19] <Enlighter>	kinda hard to edit the skins on the wiki though
[18:41:31] <Enlighter>	can that be done, out of curiosity?
[18:41:50] <mib_cmqjdd>	what about the skin do you want to change?  alot can be done with CSS
[18:42:06] <Enlighter>	well
[18:42:19] <Enlighter>	I have changed a lot of it with a much more experienced css user
[18:42:31] <Enlighter>	but wasn't sure if it could be done in the wiki itself
[18:42:40] <Enlighter>	to avoid having to redo it all every update
[18:43:03] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, any purely CSS change can be done on the wiki itself.
[18:43:29] <Adeene>	aloha boys :)
[18:43:36] <Adeene>	I’ve been having some trouble generating a pdf file using dompdf
[18:43:45] <Enlighter>	ok
[18:43:47] <Enlighter>	hrm
[18:43:52] <Enlighter>	I added that line of code
[18:43:57] <Enlighter>	and the toc is still there
[18:43:58] <Enlighter>	odd
[18:44:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Articles counter on kaa: has bin outdated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14293  (10alefzet)
[18:44:24] <Enlighter>	musta typed something wrong
[18:44:34] <mib_cmqjdd>	you might need to clear your cache
[18:44:57] <Enlighter>	yep
[18:44:59] <Enlighter>	haha
[18:45:01] <Enlighter>	go figure :: )
[18:45:04] <mib_cmqjdd>	try Shift + Refresh or Ctrl + Refresh in your browser
[18:45:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:ListUsers returning without results. Empty GET parameter. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14348 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (fsidler)
[18:45:51] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35613 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:45:51] <CIA-51>	Martin Mai sent me some stylish CSS.
[18:45:51] <CIA-51>	Applied it!
[18:47:55] <Enlighter>	sim can I send you the link to an image of the skin changes, and get your thoughts on if it can all be done in wiki or not?
[18:48:09] <MinuteElectron>	Is there a MediaWiki bot developers channel?
[18:49:44] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, if you like.
[18:49:51] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, maybe #mediawiki-scripts?
[18:49:56] <Simetrical>	#mediawiki-api?
[18:50:03] <Simetrical>	(not sure that exists)
[18:50:15] <MinuteElectron>	mmh
[18:50:25] <MinuteElectron>	scripts is for js and api only has two people in...
[18:50:26] <MinuteElectron>	brb
[18:51:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ListUsers returning without results. Empty GET parameter. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14348  (10fsidler)
[18:52:03] <Enlighter>	sent it to ya sim, just hit me up when you have a chance
[18:57:43] <davidb>	Hi all... I'm spoiled for choice. I have a brand new mediawiki install and I'm stumped about how to organize my pages. Do I want :'s or /'s, and do I want namespaces?  (I've skimmed the faq and manual)
[18:57:55] *davidb 	scratches head
[18:58:41] <Enlighter>	try both
[18:58:45] <Enlighter>	u can always rework it
[18:59:00] <Enlighter>	use whatever works best for your needs
[18:59:52] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35614 10/trunk/extensions/ (16 files in 16 dirs): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[19:00:45] <mmcgrath>	does <LocationMatch only match pages, or can it match uri queries as well like ?blah=me
[19:01:38] <mmcgrath>	sorry, wrong chan
[19:03:40] <mib_cmqjdd>	davidb, its up to you really.  You could use namespaces or subpages or both.  Or you could you categories
[19:04:01] <davidb>	oh thanks for pinging my nick... i was afk there
[19:04:05] <mib_cmqjdd>	namespaces + subpages probably provides more of a traditional hierarchy
[19:04:22] <davidb>	Enlighter, mib_cmqjdd, thanks
[19:04:49] <hoggwild5>	Question:  when an article gets deleted, and later a new article with the same name gets created that's not a "restore deleted page" article, does the page table get a new record for the new article?
[19:07:05] <Enlighter>	mib I sent you the image
[19:07:11] <Enlighter>	just hit me up when you have a moment
[19:08:07] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35615 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[19:09:07] <Simetrical>	hoggwild5, I think so, but not totally sure.
[19:10:45] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, that style would be possible with CSS, but not very easily.
[19:11:02] <Simetrical>	Enlighter, you'd need to do a lot of work with browser-specific hacks, etc., probably.
[19:14:07] <Enlighter>	yeh
[19:14:15] <Enlighter>	It works fine the way it is for now
[19:14:24] <Enlighter>	with a few tweaks here and there
[19:14:33] <Enlighter>	until we get the in house wiki software finished
[19:14:37] <Enlighter>	anyway I gotta jet
[19:14:40] <Enlighter>	thanks for the help
[19:14:42] <Enlighter>	and advice
[19:19:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  normal->trivial; normal->highest; +comment (10dasch_87)
[19:38:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  (10brion)
[19:39:47] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35616 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: 
[19:39:47] <CIA-51>	More of the new SMW store. Currently functional: id management, all basic read and write methods,
[19:39:47] <CIA-51>	improved runtime caching, n-ary properties (with less tables), statistics. Querying still missing
[19:40:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Articles counter on kaa: has bin outdated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14293  +comment (10brion)
[19:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10brion)
[19:43:47] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35617 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/QueryPages/ (SMW_SpecialProperties.php SMW_SpecialUnusedProperties.php): use current() instead of [0] to access first element in array (may not have 0 index)
[19:44:54] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35618 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): return SMWDataValue objects for all special properties (some were still plain strings)
[19:45:06] <trops>	how do I do to alter the main page? I want alter of Principal to Wiki-it:Sobre
[19:45:57] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Should users.sql have $wgDBserver in the grant statements? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14342  +comment (10brion)
[19:48:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update Extension:BoardVote across site for 2008 election - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14274  (10ktc)
[19:50:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update Extension:BoardVote across site for 2008 election - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14274  (10ktc)
[19:55:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Something Strange with SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14336  (10dasch_87)
[19:58:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:59:59] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35619 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialMovepage.php Status.php Title.php api/ApiMove.php): Always return an array if an error has occurred in Title::moveTo.
[20:06:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  (10Platonides)
[20:08:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:13:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Forbid image uploads in ru.wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14349 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (alexandr-andreyko)
[20:13:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  (10Platonides)
[20:17:26] <Wiredtape>	im trying to install rsvg, anyone mind giving me a hand? I have three perl modules that correspond to that: Gnome2::Rsvg(0.10) ; Image::LibRSVG(0.07) ; XML::LibRSVG(0.01); which one should i install?
[20:23:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted tlh.wikt blocks SUL process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14300  (10spacebirdy)
[20:26:10] <Wiredtape>	anyone?
[20:29:42] <Dantman>	O_O GPLv3 is compatible with the Apache license...
[20:30:41] <ialex>	hehe :)
[20:31:32] <trops>	ohhhhhh no :(
[20:31:34] <ialex>	i was also surprised when i saw that :)
[20:32:46] <trops>	I am altering the MediaWiki:Sidebar, but it does not accept link with parameters
[20:32:47] <trops>	:(
[20:33:26] <Dantman>	^_^ Thats one thing less in the way of GPL software being bundled with a webserver
[20:33:30] <Wiredtape>	trops, mediawiki messages don't accept parameters
[20:34:09] <Dantman>	O_o why would you need parameters in the sidebar?
[20:34:33] <Wiredtape>	ialex, are you familiar with installing rsvg?
[20:34:40] <ialex>	nope
[20:34:48] <Wiredtape>	Dantman?
[20:34:49] <Duesentrieb>	uh, is there a permission i can give myself to override the spam-blacklist?#
[20:34:54] <Dantman>	If it's through apt
[20:35:24] <Wiredtape>	Dantman, umm... nope... it's through a perl module.. :-\
[20:35:35] <Wiredtape>	hoping that would satisfy mw's needs?
[20:35:36] <Dantman>	O_o
[20:36:06] <MinuteElectron>	i doubt it
[20:36:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duesentrieb: nobody can do so
[20:36:09] <MinuteElectron>	mediawiki is php
[20:36:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	Which blacklist is the problem? global?
[20:36:29] <Dantman>	If you don't have a simple way to intsall rsvg, like the librsvg packages in apt, then just use Inkscape
[20:36:54] <Wiredtape>	Dantman how do i install Inkscape.. (i'm trying to install these on a shared server)
[20:37:08] <Dantman>	^_^ That I can't help you with...
[20:37:15] <Dantman>	However, just take a look at their site
[20:37:20] <Dantman>	It should come in a standalone package
[20:38:03] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, what would such a permission mean?  Everyone editing the page after you would be rejected because of the blacklisted content, until they removed it.
[20:38:21] <Wiredtape>	Dantman, ok thanks :)
[20:38:50] <Dantman>	Maybe that's the point... ;) heh
[20:40:08] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: You can compile it yourself, imagemagick is quite easy to compile yourself on a shared host.
[20:40:45] <Simetrical>	You might as well get a binary.
[20:41:05] <Simetrical>	It will only help if your access is safe_moded or whatnot.
[20:41:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	Simetrical: the blacklist allows old links matching the blacklist to remain
[20:41:11] <Simetrical>	E.g., exec() disabled.
[20:41:22] <Simetrical>	Mike_lifeguard, well, true, now it does.
[20:41:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	this is new behaviour
[20:41:27] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, the question is if mw will know to use inkscape or imagemagick if i do that?
[20:41:38] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: You configure it.
[20:41:40] <Wiredtape>	Also: inkscape has a pretty nice mw skin... 
[20:41:44] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron: how?
[20:41:54] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: It is possible to set the image magick convert path.
[20:42:06] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: wtf, why do you care about inkscape having a nice skin?!
[20:42:36] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron : just because i've been thinking of designing a new mw skin? 
[20:42:40] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: true, but since its about my own wiki, that wouldn't be so bad. hm... the blacklist could also be disabled for protected pages, maybe?
[20:42:56] <Simetrical>	That would make sense.
[20:43:11] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: Why does that have any influence on which image conversion package you use?
[20:43:51] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron : nothing whatsoever, was just telling others who might be interested in knowing about new skins for mw... 
[20:44:02] <MinuteElectron>	ok...
[20:44:16] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron : could you please tell me where i can set the imagemagick convert path?
[20:44:38] <MinuteElectron>	There is a default in LocalSettings.php already.
[20:45:12] <Wiredtape>	ahh... ok, let me take a look, thanks :)
[20:52:19] <Stavros>	Parser.php has a memory limit of 20 MB even though PHP has a limit of 128 MB, any idea why that might be happening?
[20:52:58] <Simetrical>	Parser.php doesn't have a memory limit by itself.
[20:53:06] <Stavros>	i just figured that out, thanks :/
[20:53:09] <Stavros>	changed it in settings
[20:55:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	there should be a cross-wiki notification of new talk page messages...like the one wikia has (e.g. you get a notification if someone edits your User talk: page on starwars.wikia.com or on www.wikia.com)
[20:56:16] <Zven86>	Now the accounts are becomming unified
[20:58:13] <bazz>	so, i'd like to have my pages work somewhat similar to the way wikiinvest does their pages.  specifically that there are components on the page that are editable (like the article, the bulls, the bears, etc), but that the overall structure of the page is not.  any ideas on the best approach to do this?
[21:12:24] <CIA-51>	03midom * r35620 10/trunk/tools/paramy/paramy.cc: 
[21:12:25] <CIA-51>	* skip LOCK TABLES
[21:12:25] <CIA-51>	* fix some buffer stuff, add overflow errors
[21:12:25] <CIA-51>	* add -f for ignoring errors
[21:12:25] <CIA-51>	* allow to operate with -n1 (no async mode)
[21:12:57] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35621 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: More fixing of text for boolean filters
[21:18:58] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35622 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php SpecialConfigure.php): Fixed display of not editable settings
[21:19:35] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35623 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (controller.php trainer.php): 
[21:19:35] <CIA-51>	Oops, user creation in wrong location (got headers already sent errors)
[21:19:35] <CIA-51>	fixed
[21:20:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ListUsers returning without results. Empty GET parameter. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14348  (10brion)
[21:25:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck useless when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347  (10brion)
[21:28:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck useless when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:35:36] <Phosgene>	Evening all.  Could some one tell me the easiest and most straight forward way to restart the wiki from blank?
[21:36:03] <Phosgene>	Would it be "Uninstall and reinstall" or "Restore a backup you obviously never took"?
[21:38:32] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Update Extension:BoardVote across site for 2008 election - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14274  +comment (10ktc)
[21:42:18] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35624 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Use proper title to give to hook
[21:42:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Move of a flagged page makes page unsighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14341  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:53:39] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35625 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: * (bug 14344) Rearrange form so 'Block log' button is not the default (caused confusing behavior)
[21:54:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enter button in Renameuser form has wrong behaviour - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14344  +comment (10brion)
[21:55:59] <Zven86>	 Phosgene: uninstalling a wiki instance by removing the filesystem does not remove the database schema from MySql
[21:57:06] <Zven86>	:Phosgene, one way  would be to install another instance of mediawiki mapping to another filesystem path with another database set, then alter your locatsettings.php of your existing one to point to the new database installed in MySQL, make sure the version is the same though
[21:58:21] <Phosgene>	Zven86: Hmmm.  As I suspected.  There is no "Nuke the system and give you a blank sheet" button.
[21:58:30] <Phosgene>	That's cool though.
[21:59:18] <Phosgene>	I'll just have to back track and then start again.  Or as you say, put another one there and redirect the localsettings.php
[22:02:31] <Zven86>	Why do you need to nuke the database?
[22:03:26] <Phosgene>	Started using it for one thing.  Got somewhat misdirected (own fault) and then wanted to just start again with no one else disturbing me.
[22:03:44] <Zven86>	If theres not much content you could always delete the articles
[22:03:49] <Zven86>	from in wiki
[22:04:21] <Phosgene>	I think I was getting hung up with the lack of "Delete User" option.
[22:04:45] <Phosgene>	But I suppose I can rename the users so that no one gets to see it whilst i am still making mistakes.
[22:05:04] <Zven86>	just start another instance then, easier
[22:05:07] <Phosgene>	I find it is always best to not get abuse whilst you are learning.
[22:05:11] <Phosgene>	Right you are.
[22:05:24] <Phosgene>	I'll just retire the first one and read up on creating a new instance.
[22:05:35] <Zven86>	You shouldnt be getting any abuse at all, everyones a beginner at some point
[22:06:16] <Phosgene>	That is the beauty of being sarcastic oneself: You get less slack cut for you when you are n00bish
[22:06:23] <bazz>	Is there an extension that will let me allow editing of certain sections of an article but not the article as a whole?  That is, non-sysop users would see [edit] links for bits and pieces of the page, but not be able to edit the entire article?
[22:06:35] <Phosgene>	So, it is all my own fault and I'm trying to save my blushes.
[22:07:10] <Zven86>	Docs on wikipedia are the best place to go to for learning more about MediaWiki
[22:07:19] <Zven86>	Stuff in the Wikipedia: and Help: namespaces
[22:07:52] <Zven86>	Alot of it is mirrored articles from wiimedia
[22:09:51] <Phosgene>	Zven86: Thanks for your information.  I'll even benefit from the namespace advice. ;-)
[22:13:24] <CIA-51>	03kim * r35626 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/ (controller.php view.php): 
[22:13:24] <CIA-51>	a "don't ask again" button
[22:13:24] <CIA-51>	(never ask again to be implemented later)
[22:14:56] <tree>	I'm new to mediawiki templates.  Can the table syntax be included in them?  {| ... {{{key1}}} ... |}?
[22:15:10] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[22:15:20] <MinuteElectron>	(mostly)
[22:15:30] <tree>	When I format the tempalted text, the wiki formats the text on the template page... :(
[22:15:35] <derwin>	table syntax can be weird with transclusion
[22:15:47] <derwin>	like minute says, it "mostly" works
[22:16:18] <tree>	Any hints?  (Heh, don't use tables?)
[22:17:22] <derwin>	unfortunately that's what I do when it doesn't work
[22:17:23] <derwin>	:)
[22:17:43] <tree>	Darn.  OK.  Thanks.
[22:20:59] <Simetrical>	You can always use HTML table syntax.
[22:21:21] <MinuteElectron>	(only in 1.12+ or with HtmlTidy)
[22:22:46] <tree>	Yeah... I ... could... :-)
[22:23:06] <tree>	Actually, this is odd.  I've got the ttemplates formatted in table form AND the final page.
[22:23:21] <tree>	Tricky stuff.  I'd hate to be coding the backend for this.
[22:23:32] *Splarka 	snickers
[22:24:02] <Splarka>	a little hint: <noinclude>{|</noinclude> on the page of table innards is helpful for debugging
[22:24:17] <Dantman>	Splarka, would you be snickering if I said that I thought up a way for the Extension class to handle extensions which depend on other extensions?
[22:24:19] <Dantman>	heh
[22:24:19] <tree>	Thanks.
[22:24:37] <Splarka>	would I care?
[22:24:42] *Splarka 	throws Dantman to the user-wolves
[22:25:02] *Simetrical 	suggests Dantman port APT to PHP
[22:25:08] <Dantman>	Heh
[22:25:12] <Simetrical>	Or better yet, yum is already Python!
[22:25:17] <Dantman>	Dependencies in line of loading
[22:25:38] *Splarka 	watches Ranma
[22:26:05] <Dantman>	ie: The software handling the load order correctly by idself, and attempting to load an extension when one says it is needed and the code is there
[22:27:01] <Dantman>	Technically... One could checkout the entire Wikimedia SVN list of extensions... And enable ones there, without needing to worry that one might depend on code in other extensions in the repo... Cause the code would already be there, and the extensions would be dynamically loaded
[22:27:33] <Splarka>	erm...
[23:03:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Checkuser log doesn't reflect username changes of ' initiators' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14350 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (wiki.bugzilla)
[23:08:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Checkuser log doesn't reflect username changes of 'initiators' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14350  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:10:08] <tree>	Can someone please check out http://www.pymolwiki.org/index.php/Gallery and let me know why the "Load" under "See Also"on the right side of the page isn't aligned like the other guys...  Perdy plz.
[23:10:36] <Bdka>	AaronSchulz, thanks for the comment ;-)
[23:12:02] <Splarka>	tree: the asterisk isn't getting parsed as a <li>, add an extra newline above it
[23:12:34] <tree>	Trying.
[23:12:39] <Splarka>	||{{{seeAlso}}}
[23:12:46] <Splarka>	probably work better to add it there, actually
[23:12:49] <Splarka>	between || and {{
[23:13:33] <tree>	Genius.
[23:14:05] <tree>	thx
[23:15:12] <tree>	Crap.  So, I add the template to save folks some typing and provide uniformity.  It's more typing in the end... Hmm..
[23:17:00] <Splarka>	it can happen that way, sometimes
[23:21:00] <Dantman>	mmm... $e->msg('foo');
[23:21:44] <tree>	Wrong: mmm...donut.
[23:21:51] <Dantman>	heh
[23:22:41] <Dantman>	If someone put sprinkles and icing (doughnut like), on a bun... Would you eat it?
[23:31:49] <derwin>	tree : however, "typing"
[23:31:50] <derwin>	oops
[23:32:00] <derwin>	I was about to explain to him that manually typing content is not futureproof
[23:32:09] <derwin>	whereas templates provide a means of futureproofing
[23:35:24] <Dantman>	^_^ mmm, gotta like `rm -rf `find . -name .svn``
[23:37:48] <derwin>	ew.
[23:38:11] <derwin>	find . -type f -iname "*.svn" | xargs --no-run-if-empty rm -rfv
[23:38:23] <derwin>	yours will overflow the shell in some cases
[23:38:44] <derwin>	and not get .SVN files
[23:38:56] <derwin>	and will get directories called .svn
[23:39:36] <Dantman>	uuuuhhhh.... that's the point.... deleting the .svn directories
[23:39:49] <derwin>	ok, -type d
[23:40:06] <derwin>	so my critique is "yours might delete files called .svn"
[23:40:59] <Dantman>	mkay... that's good for a utility... though this is just a quick command with known structure
[23:41:21] <Dantman>	^_^ Time to create another half-baked branch
[23:41:23] <Dantman>	heh
[23:41:37] <derwin>	also, find + rm without xargs = ph33r
[23:41:49] <derwin>	if you have a file named, say, "*"
[23:42:01] <derwin>	heh
[23:42:03] <derwin>	well, anyway