[00:06:27] there appears to be a problem with Special:Boardvote [00:07:23] AlexanderDuke, we know... [00:07:36] * Alexfusco5 [00:07:41] AlexanderDuke: We're working on it. We're hoping to have it fixed soon. [00:07:55] AlexanderDuke WTF [00:08:01] ? [00:09:03] lol [00:09:06] XD [00:09:17] Alexfusco5, don't worry, he is busy ;) [00:13:44] *Alexfusco5 can't Vote4RyanPoss [00:15:53] dantman [00:16:10] i really like that layout for all special pages [00:16:18] the one long list is crummy [00:16:36] much better for some sort of organization [00:16:52] I'm also working on killing off that blank column on the right [00:17:03] Planning to make it 3 columns [00:17:06] so much so, i will probably steal your system and construct a plain markup page that mimics it [00:17:16] and link to that in sidebar instead of the default [00:17:21] no [00:17:23] no 3 col [00:17:25] Eh? This isn't an extension [00:17:32] must allow for small browser windows [00:17:39] Actually [00:17:43] well i don't know how you're doing it [00:17:54] I suggest you hop over to Wikipedia, and make your screen size small [00:18:01] under 1.12 i get one long list [00:18:21] You haven't even seen 1.13's yet? [00:18:25] well [00:18:29] i guess i just did [00:18:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Specialpages [00:18:42] yes [00:18:45] i mean live on wp [00:18:47] cool [00:18:54] but my install is 1.12 [00:18:58] I know [00:19:12] and no, i'm not hot to upgrade a month after a new project install [00:19:13] And this is an improvement to the existing 1.13 Special:Specialpages [00:19:32] that i wanted to disagree [00:19:53] But anyways [00:19:57] i don't like the trailing (*), especially in ''italic'' [00:20:00] horrible [00:20:11] Well, that is customizeable [00:20:12] rather, you should change text_decoration [00:20:26] no trailing symbol at all -- bad ui concept [00:20:39] Actually not when you consider text based browsers [00:20:49] If you have CSS disabled then you won't know [00:21:15] for my money, smarter to have all restricted specials in their own section [00:21:16] This is a compromise which works in both cases, and can be disabled on wiki that don't like it [00:21:25] which is what it looks like to me on wp [00:22:08] i don't see the point of mixing in restricteds [00:22:13] The issue with that is having a puddle of special pages listed at the very end... [00:22:41] You get two or three special pages in each section down there, and end up with clutter [00:22:42] well our philosophies disagree [00:22:52] and i am a big proponent of color and images [00:23:05] despite the "accessibility" fad [00:23:20] i'm not going to start selling bicycles for the blind [00:24:04] i know, nobody agrees with me [00:24:26] in one camp are the accessibility junkies, who want everything to work with no formatting at all [00:24:44] in the other camp are the myspace/yootoob/flash idiots [00:24:50] i'm a moderate [00:25:13] http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl7987989207.png [00:25:16] i consumed enough teevee in my youth to appreciate color and images [00:25:33] and i've turned the teevee off for enough years that i don't demand that constant stim, either [00:26:14] i see nothing at all in that last shot [00:26:49] Didn't load? [00:26:59] i mean, nothing distinctive [00:27:15] nothing to indicate restricteds, if that's what you're showing [00:27:38] look for the ugly "Restricted special pages" header [00:27:42] That's the current system [00:28:13] well, sorry [00:28:16] i like it that way [00:28:25] but then, i'm a cologneblue user, too [00:29:01] http://arms.x10hosting.com/ [00:29:03] I'm just trying to avoid creating two sections for the same group [00:29:07] that is my ideal skin [00:29:41] based off cologneblue [00:29:50] -- i like colored bullets [00:29:56] red for restricted specials [00:30:13] perhaps amber -- but not yellow, too little contrast [00:30:22] ;) You know... that is why I added a css class [00:30:46] another way to look at this is: why is there any need to identify these restricted pages?? [00:30:47] There's another that even lets you hide the icon [00:30:54] if you see them, you can use them, that's all [00:31:09] if you can't use them, you don't see them [00:31:26] Ya... But I'm just trying to avoid geting reverted for removing that functionality of the system [00:31:47] more i think about it, less i like it [00:31:52] what's the point? [00:32:18] l00k! yU aRe SuP3r kewl!!! [00:32:22] There is a bit of validity to letting admins know "My users won't be able to see this page, so I shouldn't point out 'Go to this page'" [00:32:40] strongly disagree that argument [00:32:51] if you can't figure that out, you shouldn't be an admin [00:33:06] Meh well... like I said, I'm just trying to avoid removing functionality while adding it [00:33:11] i don't believe in "political admins" [00:33:18] all admins should be technically competent [00:33:40] well you're gonna do what you do [00:33:44] I'm talking about small projects who just started out with MW [00:34:02] i've given up my $0.02 [00:34:52] Btw... there is a blank column on the right of the existing system [00:35:29] If you shrink your browser size, you'll notice that no matter what the size, you always have a column wide block of nothing squezing the left two columns [00:35:34] i'm in a crabby mood today, my position is that anyone who cannot make a lucid explanation of the pythagorean theorem with his hands in his pockets and no illustration available should be restricted to the reservation and thrown raw meat on alternate sundays for the amusement of the tourists [00:36:18] hm [00:36:29] not quite a column wide but yeh, wasted space for sure [00:36:45] entries quickly wrap to a second line [00:36:59] what strategy is used? [00:37:03] *Xiong looks [00:37:35] ! [00:37:56] what's all this with progress and still using table for non-table display??? [00:38:14] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialSpecialpages.php?view=markup [00:38:18] i have a 2-col main page on some wikis, it's just 2 floating divs [00:38:28] kill the CSS and it's linear [00:38:35] Dunno... I didn't write the page [00:38:48] Take a look at the very bottom "$wgOut->addHTML( "

\n" );" [00:39:06] That line is basically adding a blatent extra column to the right to take up space [00:39:23] If you're going to use 3 columns? Fill it with content [00:40:39] table (--) [00:40:50] hi all, i want to run mediawiki with php4, any solution ? [00:41:18] use mediawiki 1.6 [00:41:23] downrev mediawiki or uprev php [00:41:28] and upgrade from a ridiculously old and unsupported version of php [00:41:32] latter preferred [00:42:08] dantman i think the right blank is intentional to pseudo-center content against an assumed left quickbar [00:42:09] i've aproject on SF.net and i can't upgrade because i'm not an admin. [00:42:35] any body know if SF.net support php5 ? [00:42:35] Ya, but unfortunately it's murder on lower sized browsers [00:42:44] Well, I'm experimenting with a 3 column [00:43:01] just drop that last idiot line [00:43:22] Nah, it's not that simple [00:43:27] a bad approach to a wrong solution to a nonexistent problem that was created with a stupid attitude [00:43:50] That actually ends up pushing the second column far to the right [00:43:58] indeed -- as it should [00:44:00] ((Also that line also ends the table)) [00:44:08] No... to far [00:44:11] well sorry -- nitpick [00:44:18] http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl3967311852.png [00:44:26] cut out the third column but of course retain all the end tags needed [00:44:53] that last shot is okay looking [00:45:18] but you know, i think you have an even wider monitor than i have on the left [00:45:34] take a shot at 1024 x 768 [00:45:41] and another at 800 x 600 [00:46:21] 1280 wide is more than most folks have got -- who are not wireheads or wealthy new purchasers [00:46:36] 1024 is standard now [00:46:55] but if you want real accessibility, you need to degrade gracefully at 800 anyway [00:47:54] as for the nutballs who still have 640 x 480 monitors, i try not to build pages that actually can't be navigated at all for them [00:48:09] but if the experience sucks, oh well [00:48:11] Please keep in mind that there's a bug in my code killing the padding colum for the third column: http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl5557418869.png [00:48:29] And I haven't fixed it up completely [00:48:36] I need a bit more coding to fix things up right [00:48:40] well i don't see a bug there [00:49:20] Third column doesn't get as much content space as the other 2 [00:49:42] well that looks like acceptable display at 800 [00:49:47] Ok [00:50:14] but at 1024, you should have very few items going to a second line [00:50:36] personally, i'd rather see it all done more intelligently [00:50:45] let each section be a div [00:51:03] and let the style for the div control the number of columns [00:51:16] and sniff out the window width [00:51:27] Ack... no sniffing [00:51:32] so, ditching CSS gives you one long column [00:51:37] why not? [00:52:05] if you get a good sniff, set the number of columns appropriately [00:52:18] on the big monitor, 4 columns is okay [00:52:25] And then when they change the size of their browser? Or they don't have JS enabled [00:52:29] if you don't get a good sniff, assume 1024 [00:52:59] or go to the system you have now, with scalable columns [00:53:05] you know, very wide columns of text are generally considered harder to read [00:53:11] maybe it doesn't need to fill the whole window [00:53:40] Well... I'll try experimenting with divs then [00:53:45] i don't like very long *lines* of text; better to control the entire display area and waste space [00:54:07] but when you're doing columns anyway, a 4th column doesn't make life more difficult [00:54:33] anyway, that last shot looks okay to me [00:55:03] i'm more antagonistic to the *way* it is done, rather than to the presentation itself [00:55:18] i invested heavily in learning table tricks at one time [00:55:24] and i reinvested in divs [00:55:36] now, i'm a good soldier (most of the time) [00:56:40] in this case, the old, pre 1.13 presentation was logical [00:56:57] the only justification for multiple columns is convenience [00:57:12] i'm strongly for that [00:57:34] but there is no *logical* argument why a given item should appear in col 2 and not col 1 [00:57:38] so tables are wrong [00:57:56] Well... ya... I think the general idea was an attempt at shrinking the height of the page [00:58:52] v1.12.0 is still advertised as "the latest version" [00:59:04] Ya... latest released version [00:59:08] 1.13 is alpha [00:59:08] i ain't budging then [00:59:24] let someone else writhe on the bleeding edge [00:59:37] ;) We work on alpha, because the alpha gets released in a few months [00:59:49] I'm on 1.12 myself [01:00:04] My only 1.13 wiki is the dev/demo wiki [01:00:05] say [01:00:13] change topic [01:00:24] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3ADownloading_MediaWiki [01:00:35] there are three little tag bars up top on that page [01:00:41] each has a cute icon [01:00:53] is that icon supposed to be cut off?? [01:01:08] Which? [01:01:24] none are cutoff for me [01:01:37] Xiong: what browser are you using? [01:02:10] it's not just my browser; it's cologneblue [01:02:25] hmmm [01:02:42] but for reference, yes, my browser is an excellent test of whether a page is robust and properly formatted according to W3C [01:03:12] mozilla 1.2.1 under OS 9.2.2 [01:03:20] For me in cologneblue they don't get cut off still... However they are pushed up above [01:03:24] FFr3 [01:03:36] renders all kinds of advanced CSS but not if anything underhanded has been done [01:04:48] i tend to break a lot of pages [01:05:17] i have, for instance, prefs set that forbid text at sizes smaller than 14 point [01:05:53] amazing how many websmiths think they know how big text is going to be on my screen [01:07:21] *cough* Man, my pepper shrimp are spicy [01:40:54] 03tstarling * r35665 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): In BoardVote: If the user has a CentralAuth token but not a session, issue them a session so that we can give it to SPI. [01:45:51] TimStarling: your going to need to update WP or it won't work O_o [01:45:56] *Alexfusco5 states the obvious [01:46:20] Xiong: I've tweaked it with a nice div based layout now [01:46:29] Alexfusco5: He'll have to update all the wiki or it won't work enough O.o [01:46:34] *Mike_lifeguard mocks Alexfusco :P [01:46:47] Mike_lifeguard: :P [01:47:17] 3 col, my size: http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl5891248991.png [01:47:17] 3 col, 800px: http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl7732780912.png [01:47:17] 2 col, my size: http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl3071282399.png [01:47:17] 2 col, 800px: http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl6444581277.png [01:47:48] Columns is wiki configureable... thinking of a user pref [01:49:08] Dantman: don't know why, but the devs don't like preferences, IIRC [01:49:24] TimStarling: when do you expect boarvote to be working [01:49:43] Alexfusco5: I'm just killing time, waiting for SPI to fix the main problem [01:50:01] oh [01:50:16] what's the main problem? [01:50:22] Well, I'm at least giving a sane default [01:50:41] The only people who might want to change it, is someone with a real large sized screen [01:51:12] Someone may even be using a widescreen, capable of 4 columns, but without very much vertical retail [01:51:27] Why not let them pick a column size that actually fits? [01:51:47] Mike_lifeguard: not synced with wikimedia [01:52:02] Mike_lifeguard, no [01:52:07] Alexfusco5, no [01:52:25] not getting the user info [01:52:31] why not? [01:53:22] possibly certificate error during http query against wikimedia secure site using curl [01:53:38] but can't test that theory until/unless we have one of SPI here [01:57:26] Hi, I'm having trouble finding the enwiki 20080103 dump. [01:57:49] I know it's the last dump of the complete history that completed successfully. [01:58:26] I got the 7z a few weeks ago, but it's pretty slow to deal with, and I just got a bigger drive to download the bz2. [02:00:07] creidieki, #wikimedia-tech ? [02:00:36] Okay, thanks. [[m:Data dumps]] said to ask here, but that sounds more likely, I'll admit. [02:03:28] 03nad * r35666 10/trunk/extensions/CSS/CSS.php: Change inline method to same way as Extension:PageCSS [02:19:26] anyone a mediawiki.org admin? [02:31:21] nvm, got it [02:39:46] Xiong: What do you think about this? http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl4301194867.png ^_^ And in 800px, it degrades like this; http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl0588809573.png [02:40:03] It's pure CSS based, with no internal concept of columns... [02:40:15] When css is disabled, it turns into a pure list [02:44:23] TimStarling: What do you think of this? http://uploads.screenshot-program.com/upl4301194867.png [02:46:26] take a ticket [02:46:37] wait for your number [02:47:40] heh [02:50:18] Hi [03:28:01] 03tstarling * r35667 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Revert r35478, r35264, r35262: $wgPerLanguageCaching feature. Bug found with $wgPerLanguageCaching=false. Nikerabbit, please see me for a detailed code review. [03:33:43] Dantman|FS: I think there's too many groups [03:34:06] Well, that has nothing to do with the image... [03:34:16] The groups are just what's in SVN now [03:34:23] I'm meaning layout [03:34:34] what about it? [03:35:02] I also think there's too many special pages [03:35:27] The restricted pages have been merged with the normal pages so that groups are actually put together instead of split apart... And I tried using a CSS based layout which deals out columns dynamically [03:35:58] It degrades nicely nomatter what screen size you have [03:36:05] what is the difference between "page lists", "maintenance reports", "pages in need of work", and "high use pages"? [03:36:13] they all overlap [03:36:24] how are you meant to find the page you want without searching all of them? [03:36:25] I didn't even come up with those groups... [03:36:36] Haven't you seen WP's page lately? [03:36:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Specialpages [03:37:25] yeah, that has 3 less groups [03:37:33] not for long I guess, since I'm updating it [03:37:41] mhmm [03:37:46] maybe you should make the grouping customisable via mediawiki namespace message [03:37:57] Hmmm... that would be an interesting update [03:37:57] then someone with a head for categorisation can do it [03:38:15] then we can just import it back to mediawiki [03:38:20] mhmm [03:38:36] Though for now, this is purely a layout change [03:39:50] Though perhaps I may look into having a mw message do the grouping simtetime later... [03:40:18] Hmmm... [03:40:48] Ahah... message-based-overrides... Normal settings can still be taken from $wgSpecialPageGroups [03:41:23] ^_^ Assign a new bug to me and I'll try to look into it when I get to dads... [03:43:10] Dantman|FS: someone did that and brion reverted it [03:43:46] Eh? [03:43:59] For what reason? [03:44:08] don't remember [03:44:23] to the SVN mobile! [03:44:29] na na na na na na na na.. [03:45:02] > Revert back to r31589. I really don't like this hardcoded special page template; definitely not something I want to see, even if it were properly localized. It feels ugly, fragile, and likely to cause massive confusion and inability to navigate sites consistently, never mind extensibility problems with extensions and new languages. [03:45:38] 31590 and 31591 were the reverted commits [03:45:55] Which was brion's commit? [03:46:06] n/m [03:46:35] perhaps instead if you had... [03:47:36] Nah... that's not what I mean [03:48:08] He created an entire special page list using a single mw message where you list the mesages yourself [03:48:12] MediaWiki:specialpages-group-Page_Lists with \n delimited list of pages for that grouping.. [03:48:26] MediaWiki:specialpages-group-Maintenance reports with \n delimited list of pages for that grouping.. [03:48:33] etc, and the rest under uncategorized [03:48:38] Hmm... I don't know about that either [03:48:43] a balance between categorizing each one, and categorizing all in one [03:49:33] but either way the message cache suffers, yay... [03:49:43] heh [03:50:47] I was thinking more like 'specialpages-pagegroup-$specialpage' falling back to $wgSpecialPageGroups then to 'other' [03:51:59] Basically using the message system only as an override [03:52:14] Seams best inline with Tim's idea of it only as an override [03:55:46] Guess I'll commit the UI change now... so at least I can get any complaints now before I need to leave for dads [03:56:02] I'm about to tweak the groups too [03:56:31] Eek? [03:56:36] What are you changing? [03:58:36] AaronSchulz: ??? [03:58:45] why is 'Random page' under page lists [03:58:47] arugh [03:59:25] Eh? lists [03:59:38] I don't remembere setting that to "Page lists" [03:59:55] That was supposed to encompase page lists, and page pointers [04:00:34] Did someone commit a lang change to that on me? Or did I just type the wrong message? [04:02:11] 03aaron * r35668 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Make things easier to find on specialpages by tweaking groups [04:03:45] Bleh... now theres 2 more pages uncategorized [04:04:05] Hmmm.... howabout a redirects group? [04:07:21] 03aaron * r35669 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: move under 'maintenance' [04:19:48] How can I delete "Donate" button from main menu bar? [04:19:58] edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] [04:20:17] thanks [04:27:59] 03dantman * r35670 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) [04:27:59] Changing the UI for [[Special:Specialpages]]. [04:27:59] * Restricted pages are now with the normal pages (Special pages of a group are [04:27:59] grouped together rather than split up on whether they are restricted or not [04:27:59] [which does not matter to the user since they can use the page anyways]) [04:28:02] * Restricted pages are still marked so the user can identify them. (CSS Class allows this behavior to be customized, default is to bold the link) [04:28:05] * New layout change. Rather than a poor table based column layout, using a [04:30:18] Btw... I've updated my copy at http://dev.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Special:SpecialPages so once I update skins you can checkout the change there [04:30:45] I'm on a custom skin repo though, so the CSS isn't over there yet [04:41:24] Ok... my demo site updated... You can have at it [04:42:32] TimStarling: Do you know how Wikipedia is doing the message at the top here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Specialpages afaik we have no MediaWiki message up in that location [04:43:39] 03(NEW) Moving a page and its subpages to a subpage yields an extra move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14368 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (mike.lifeguard) [04:43:59] I bet we do [04:46:47] Can't find one so far [04:50:19] 03(NEW) Talk pages of subpages are not moved if the top-level page has no talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (mike.lifeguard) [04:52:17] O_o now that is freaky [04:52:32] hmmm [04:53:18] oooh... I suppose we have some code that transcludes '$specialpage-summary' into the top of every special page [04:54:32] TimStarling: Though, it appears that while that message is on WP... The message is blank in MW, and not only that, but other languages have it, English is one of the few without one [05:21:11] 03dantman * r35671 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [05:21:12] All the needy pages were moved into maintenance, this message is useless now. [05:21:12] Someone changed the 'Pages' into a 'Page lists' group, so now some of the pages were removed because they don't fit there anymore with the new definition. [05:21:12] Adding a 'redirects' group, for special pages which redirect to another one ie: Random page redirects, and redirects to a user's pages. [05:44:54] 03(mod) password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330 (10nakonwiki) [05:51:50] 03rotem * r35672 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update and fixes. [06:07:52] 03tstarling * r35673 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote_body.php: Use the platform default CA certificate file [06:55:13] 03(mod) Request Portal Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13221 (10trengarasu) [08:59:35] <_wooz> lo [09:24:21] 03dantman * r35674 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialPage.php: [09:24:21] Allow use of a mediawiki message to '''override''' the group used to group a special page. [09:24:21] Form is specialpages-specialpagegroup-$specialpage [09:24:21] Tim suggested letting a message override the group to let someone with a better [09:24:21] hand at organization in the community try organizing the pages. So we could then [09:24:25] import those changes back into MediaWiki at some point in time. [09:27:34] 03dantman * r35675 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialPage.php: On second thought, we should be using a lowercase form of the special page name. [11:12:01] ugh [11:12:51] Nikerabbit! :D [11:13:01] hi dungodung [11:13:10] hi! =) [11:22:40] 03(mod) Attempting to move with subpages to a namespace allowing subpages fails with DB error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14258 summary (10sco_scam) [11:35:11] wtf is "GNU timestamp" format? [11:35:34] MinuteElectron: no ideas. Something parsed by some wf*() function [11:40:39] hm [11:40:49] it doesn't actually explain how to unprotect a page, just how to protect it. [11:43:37] same page normally [11:43:53] if it's protected admins will see a link unprotect [11:43:53] via the api? [11:43:58] ah [11:44:05] dunno that :) [11:44:09] :P [11:47:17] protections=edit=all|move=all I'd guess [11:48:23] maybew [11:48:39] as in the example... [11:48:52] oh, right [11:48:56] shame on me [11:56:33] hello [12:18:38] hi everybody there [12:19:02] and good morning [12:20:39] my website was hacked and I would need some help [12:20:47] would anybody assist me ? [12:21:05] I would like to recover my index.php just from the database [12:21:20] but I was reading and I have no idea of how to do it! [12:22:43] you can't recover index.php from the database. [12:22:49] uff [12:22:49] just download a new version, there's no user data in it. [12:23:00] unless you're not talking about mediawiki [12:23:10] is there any way to recover the content of mediawiki? [12:23:15] what I was having in my site [12:23:20] yes, I am talking about mediawiki [12:23:35] ah, you mean your main page. [12:23:39] yes! [12:23:43] the main page I mean [12:23:49] well, I need a bit more information [12:23:52] how was your site hacked? [12:24:04] somebody edited the main page [12:24:09] you can check it here [12:24:11] www.neurohost.org [12:24:19] now if you see the code [12:24:24] everything is full with links [12:24:32] and I cannot access my self to edit [12:24:32] :S [12:24:45] I see a blank page. [12:24:53] hello Werdna [12:25:03] yes, and in that page there was my complete site [12:25:09] if you have a look to the source [12:25:17] now everything is full with links [12:25:26] to buy chemicals and drugs [12:25:32] ah [12:25:35] lovely people, eh? [12:25:41] sure [12:25:52]