[00:02:26] <Splarka>	no
[00:03:58] <^demon>	DanielFriesen: Maybe give an option to disable it site-wide with a global also? $wgEnableRollbackDiff?
[00:04:15] <DanielFriesen>	So 3?
[00:06:38] <Simetrical>	^demon, why?
[00:06:50] <Simetrical>	Wait, why are we talking about disabling it altogether?
[00:07:47] <^demon>	Simetrical: No real preference personally. The subject came up with disabling it and I was just throwing out ideas.
[00:08:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bizarre parser error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14376  (10cuerden)
[00:08:08] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[00:08:10] <^demon>	If a *disabling* mechnanism was wanted, that is.
[00:08:22] <Simetrical>	Splarka, why is it important if the rollback confirmation page is really big?  Just hit back.
[00:08:25] <^demon>	**'s on the *wanted*, actually.
[00:08:32] <DanielFriesen>	Mkay... cynical aproach... add &hidediff=1 for now... if to many people complain... we might consider a pref
[00:08:34] <Simetrical>	There's no reason this needs to be disable-able.
[00:08:40] <Simetrical>	DanielFriesen, I'd say don't even add hidediff.
[00:08:43] <Simetrical>	Needless complexity.
[00:09:04] <DanielFriesen>	^_^ I already have the code for it...
[00:09:06] <^demon>	Simetrical: What about a bot? Slows them down?
[00:09:40] <Simetrical>	^demon, a bot could terminate the TCP connection as soon as it received the first bytes of the page if it wanted.
[00:09:52] <Simetrical>	It doesn't have to block on receiving the whole page.
[00:10:02] <Simetrical>	Well, granted that would require low-level fiddling.
[00:10:58] <DanielFriesen>	Well, whatever the case... Why waste code? I already have it here so.... commit
[00:12:06] <Simetrical>	Because of clutter?
[00:12:13] <Simetrical>	And bloat?
[00:12:23] <Simetrical>	Maintainability?
[00:12:28] <DanielFriesen>	Uuuhhh...
[00:12:33] <Simetrical>	See if it becomes a problem.  I doubt it will be.
[00:12:36] <Simetrical>	If it does, then it can be fixed.
[00:12:42] <DanielFriesen>	Adding a diff to the rollback page was 2 lines
[00:12:51] <DanielFriesen>	Adding that option is 1 plus an extra }
[00:13:21] <CIA-51>	03dantman * r35690 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Splarka wanted a way to hide the diff so here's &hidediff=1. Whether it's useful or not is an IRC Discussion away, and I already have the code, so, click...
[00:14:23] <Simetrical>	Well, fine.
[00:16:23] <Alexfusco5>	click XD
[00:18:49] <DanielFriesen>	heh
[00:20:22] <phpprogrammer21>	i have another question...
[00:21:27] <phpprogrammer21>	I need help.. Is anyone here
[00:22:27] <phpprogrammer21>	USERHOST phpprogrammer21
[00:23:52] <Splarka>	Simetrical: well, not only can really big diffs crash or lag some browsers, but also if you're opening rollback links in new tabs quickly, there is no back, you have to wait for it to load to see if it worked, failed, timed out, or other error
[00:24:24] <phpprogrammer21>	I moved my LocalSettings.php file to the home directory, but i can't find it
[00:24:37] <Splarka>	added to that, rollback on dialup is very fast even now... it won't be after this
[00:24:42] <Simetrical>	Splarka, mm.
[00:24:54] <Splarka>	needless pageload to simply revert all of a user's changes
[00:25:21] <Splarka>	I'd hazard to say.. that all rollback links on a Contribs page should be diff free (but those on history/diff/recentchanges shouldn't be)
[00:25:24] <Splarka>	by default anyway
[00:25:29] <phpprogrammer21>	can someone answer my question?
[00:26:44] <phpprogrammer21>	hello?
[00:26:45] <Splarka>	if you're rolling back a user from their contribs, you pretty much know they are a vandal.. if you're checking them by clicking diff first, you probably don't (same for history, and recent changes)
[00:27:10] <Splarka>	DanielFriesen: what do you think about that? hidediff=1 for Contribs-generated rollback links automatic, and hidediff=0 to override
[00:27:23] <phpprogrammer21>	I need to know where my LocalSettings.php file went, And i moved to the home directory of my install
[00:27:33] <Splarka>	</2cent>
[00:27:55] *Splarka 	idles
[00:28:23] <DanielFriesen>	patch?
[00:30:27] <phpprogrammer21>	hello
[00:30:39] <phpprogrammer21>	i have a question about mediawiki
[00:30:49] <Alexfusco5>	!ask
[00:30:49] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[00:30:52] <Alexfusco5>	phpprogrammer21: ^
[00:31:09] <phpprogrammer21>	!ask
[00:31:09] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[00:31:17] <phpprogrammer21>	wow, cool
[00:31:30] <phpprogrammer21>	how do I edit the navbar
[00:31:41] <phpprogrammer21>	on the wiki
[00:34:14] <phpprogrammer21>	How do I edit the navigation bar on the pages of The wiki... I have looked everywhere and still cant find it...
[00:34:34] <^demon>	!Sidebar
[00:34:34] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[00:39:55] <phpprogrammer21>	how do i enable mod_rewrite pretty URLS
[00:42:28] <DanielFriesen>	!short | phpprogrammer21
[00:42:28] --mwbot--	phpprogrammer21: I don't know anything about "short". You might try: !rewriteproblems !shorturl 
[00:42:39] <DanielFriesen>	!shorturl | phpprogrammer21
[00:42:39] --mwbot--	phpprogrammer21: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[01:41:12] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35691 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/OldReviewedPages.i18n.php: Forgot to replace this
[01:48:37] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Separation of i18n files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14366  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:51:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separation of i18n files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14366  (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:09:49] <^demon>	Anyone around familiar with Newuserlog? A particular part of wfNewuserlogHook() looks out-of-place. I just want a sanity check before I open a bug with a patch.
[02:33:54] <Dantman|Food>	Not farmiliar but point me to the code?
[02:35:12] <^demon>	Do you have the /extensions checked out?
[02:35:28] <Zven86>	Its here; http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Newuserlog
[02:36:16] <^demon>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Newuserlog/Newuserlog.php - there we go. Line 51
[02:36:21] <^demon>	if( $user->getName() == $wgUser->getName() ) {
[02:37:15] <^demon>	Except on older versions which might trigger the setting of $user = $wgUser, why on earth would $user->getName() be the same as $wgUser->getName()
[02:39:05] <^demon>	In which case, you can't do the log entry anyway, as $user is unpassed (and thus unknown)
[02:40:37] <flyingparchment>	it seems to check whether the account was created by itself, or someone else created it
[02:40:50] <^demon>	How can account create itself?
[02:40:57] <flyingparchment>	by going to Special:Userlogin
[02:41:14] <^demon>	if $wgUser is *you*, the account holder, and you create $user, why would the names ever be identical?
[02:41:34] <flyingparchment>	i'm thinking of anonymous users creating accounts for themselves
[02:41:39] <flyingparchment>	which also logs them in
[02:42:32] <^demon>	Ok, an anon-user creates an account. getName for them will return the IP, and $user->getName() will be the newly-created account. The runs on the AddNewAccount hook, not on login.
[02:42:47] <flyingparchment>	i didn't say it works, just that that seems to be what it's trying to do
[02:43:21] <^demon>	That's what I thought, I just wanted to make sure it's *not* working the way it looks like it's trying to.
[02:43:41] <^demon>	It just looks like an extra if/else pair that's getting triggered on every AddNewAccount for no apparent reason.
[02:51:36] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35692 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Split off aliases to delay more message loading
[02:52:35] <^demon|brb>	flyingparchment: I looked at when AddNewAccount is run, it's *possible*.
[02:58:39] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, specialpages looks better now
[02:59:05] <Splarka>	short-bus "special"?
[03:05:58] <Dantman>	^_^ What version?
[03:06:33] <Dantman>	AaronSchulz: ^
[03:07:52] <flyingparchment>	what's the best way to write 1/8 in HTML?
[03:07:59] <flyingparchment>	(dont say mathml)
[03:09:21] <Splarka>	<sup>1</sup>/<sub>8</sub> *snicker*
[03:18:25] <DTT>	hi. I'm trying to use the IF parser function. I have a checkbox value, which is either "Yes" or "No". However, when I use "{{#if:checkboxname = "Yes" | what I need it to do }}" it happens even if its value isn't "Yes". I think i'm using the "=" symbol wrong or something. anyone?
[03:19:05] <Krimpet>	flyingparchment: &#x215B;
[03:19:28] <Krimpet>	â…› - "VULGAR FRACTION ONE EIGHTH"
[03:19:33] <flyingparchment>	thanks
[03:20:17] <Splarka>	DTT: #if only checks nullity, you maybe want #ifeq (but if you're using some weird extension that might not be the solution)
[03:20:43] <DTT>	stand by
[03:21:50] <Splarka>	template usage is something like {{#ifeq:{{{someparameter}}}|Yes|foo|bar}}
[03:22:22] <Splarka>	vs {{#if:{{{foo|}}}|foo|nofoo}} where the foo case only triggers if foo= is in the template parameter call
[03:25:09] <DTT>	Well, if I use {{#ifeq:{{parameter}}|Yes}} for some reason, although the parameter's value is "Yes" (same case) it still doesn't return the "True" line. Do I need to use {{{parameter|}}}?
[03:25:44] <DTT>	please disregard last transmission
[03:25:46] <DTT>	i'm all set
[03:26:10] <Splarka>	k
[03:26:35] <Dantman>	Splarka: ^_^ You ever noticed that when you put foo, into WikiCode and end up with {{{foo|}}} it bears a strange resemblance to the word "fool"... Any corelation you think? heh...
[03:26:49] <Dantman>	WikiText*
[03:26:59] <Dantman>	rotfl
[03:27:29] <Splarka>	foopipe
[03:27:42] <Dantman>	fifo
[03:28:39] <Splarka>	make Template:Pen with {{#ifeq:{{{s|}}}|true|[[Category:Pens]]}}
[03:28:44] <Splarka>	{{pen|s=true}}
[03:28:48] <Dantman>	heh
[03:28:59] <flyingparchment>	haha penises
[03:29:17] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35693 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[03:29:57] <Dantman>	flyingparchment: Back on the extensioncode branch... You think I should svn rm, then re-branch and re-commit the changes to that?
[03:30:31] <flyingparchment>	it probably doesn't matter now, but if you plan to maintain a branch, you should probably check out svnmerge
[03:31:33] <Dantman>	Well... I've been using WinMerge... but I could see about that
[03:32:51] <Dantman>	Though... I was thinking of the re-commit, cause I thought about how it's good that the actual changes made are always a svn diff away from the revisions... You don't need two different copies to checkout what the first changes to the code were
[03:38:28] <alnokta>	wow that &rtl=1 is great :)
[03:40:06] <Dantman>	Hmmm... now should I use svnmerge's exe and the GUI, or the python one... hmmm
[03:44:42] <alnokta>	if you aren't an oversight, but you know the number of the hidden revision (or operation), you can view it? or that was only in the past?
[03:44:55] <DTT>	hi. is there a parser or some function that can help me print out dates in a nice way? I have them in what i think is that standard ISO-thing format
[03:45:13] <DTT>	yeah i have 'em as yyyy/mm/dd
[03:45:21] <flyingparchment>	that's not iso format ;)
[03:45:26] <DTT>	well
[03:45:30] <DTT>	whatever format that may be :)
[03:45:46] <flyingparchment>	if you write ISO format dates and link them, the software will format thema ccording to preferences
[03:45:52] <flyingparchment>	but id on't think you can do that without linking them
[03:46:08] <DTT>	hmmm... for those here who dont understand... what do you mean link them?
[03:46:15] <flyingparchment>	[[2008-06-02]]
[03:46:35] <DTT>	oh
[03:46:55] <DTT>	hmmmm naa don't wanna link them. ok thanks
[03:47:13] <Splarka>	#date 
[03:47:31] <Splarka>	part of the parserfunctions extension (which you have if you have #if and #ifeq, probably)
[03:47:35] <Splarka>	er, #time
[03:47:55] <Splarka>	onna them
[03:49:37] <Splarka>	DTT: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#.23time:
[03:51:20] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35694 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.i18n.php: Localisation updates Cantonese for extension messages
[03:51:35] <alnokta>	any idea?
[03:53:53] <Splarka>	trying to view oversighted revisions via usual channels (and possibly any channels at all) result in "no such revision" type error
[03:54:21] <Splarka>	and it is currently secure enough for Wikimedia to rely on
[03:57:15] <alnokta>	was it ever possible? [a user saying it is possible, even now, they are probably mistaken or outdated]
[03:59:47] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35695 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.i18n.php: fixing URLs
[04:08:00] <Splarka>	alnokta: no bugzilla mentions
[04:10:46] <alnokta>	Splarka, ok thx
[04:11:42] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Oversight/HideRevision.php?view=log
[04:11:55] <Splarka>	also doesn't show any emergency security fixes 
[04:12:08] <Splarka>	the absense of evidence is not the evidence of absense, though
[04:15:02] <AaronSchulz>	http://angtim.com/choosing-the-cake/
[04:15:04] *AaronSchulz 	awwws
[04:22:43] <alnokta>	first time to see such a blog :)
[04:24:50] <alnokta>	"If your language preference is set to an RTL language (right-to-left languages like Arabic, ...), use this to support the actual right-to-left interface." this should be the default IMO
[04:48:05] <mike>	Hey guys, a quick question. Where can I register to access the mediawiki API?
[04:49:40] <Splarka>	api if enabled is pretty much public, at scriptPath/api.php
[04:50:22] <Splarka>	you may need to register an account on the wiki, or request sysop or bot status to access some information, if some info or actions are restricted... 
[04:51:31] <mike>	ok got it. thanks a lot
[05:02:00] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35696 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.class.php): Be more explicit with object finding for the sake of clarity
[05:26:54] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35697 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevision.php: Add selectTextFields()
[06:03:56] <CIA-51>	03nikerabbit * r35698 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.i18n.php: * Update Board vote translations in case they actually used
[06:05:08] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35699 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Update for he.
[06:34:00] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[06:34:44] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hi
[06:37:06] <Zylogue>	Hello
[06:44:18] <CIA-51>	03nickj * r35700 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: (log message trimmed)
[06:44:18] <CIA-51>	Prevent E_STRICT warning on editing a non-existent page / starting a new page:
[06:44:18] <CIA-51>	-------------------------------
[06:44:18] <CIA-51>	Strict Standards: Only variables should be passed by reference in includes/EditPage.php on line 2233
[06:44:18] <CIA-51>	 EditPage.showDeletionLog(Object:OutputPage) # line 685, file: includes/EditPage.php
[06:44:20] <CIA-51>	 EditPage.showIntro() # line 450, file: includes/EditPage.php
[06:44:22] <CIA-51>	 EditPage.edit() # line 348, file: includes/EditPage.php
[06:47:10] <Nikerabbit>	yay nickj
[06:48:59] <AaronSchulz>	ugh
[06:50:08] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35701 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (6 files): 
[06:50:08] <CIA-51>	Code refactoring:
[06:50:08] <CIA-51>	* Move some functions
[06:50:08] <CIA-51>	* Remove unused vars
[06:50:08] <CIA-51>	* Add some accessors
[07:08:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Feature request: temporal revision history list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14377 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (DeadEyeArrow1)
[07:09:31] <Nin>	good morning everybody there!
[07:10:51] <Zylogue>	I have an 'extra' on my site that I am uncertain about.  on http://www.thewitchdiaries.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Spell_Books there is an area labeled 'Contents' and I am not certain where it came from.  Can anyone assist with identifying this?  Thanks
[07:11:16] <MZMcBride>	It's called the Table of Contents.
[07:11:17] <Zylogue>	Nin, good Morning
[07:11:26] <MZMcBride>	It appears when there are more than 3 <h2>s.
[07:11:35] <Zylogue>	MZMcBride, OH!  OK, thanks...
[07:11:40] <MZMcBride>	You can disable it by adding __NOTOC__ to the page.
[07:11:57] <Nin>	good Morning Zylogue
[07:12:54] <Nin>	well this is apparently a common question but...
[07:13:02] <Nin>	i've just upgrade my media wiki to 1.12
[07:13:08] <Nin>	and I got the following error:
[07:13:16] <Nin>	Error creating thumbnail: Unable to create destination directory
[07:13:27] <Zylogue>	MZMcBride,  Great!  I appreciate the details.  I'm new to MediaWiki, but I'm loving it's usefulness!  And the support I have gotten has been excellent!
[07:13:35] <MZMcBride>	:)
[07:13:38] <Nin>	I was googleing and after setting the images permission to 777 nothing happened!
[07:14:37] <Nin>	strange enough, wenn I log in into the wiki, I can see the images :D
[07:15:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  normal->high (10s.moaddeli)
[07:16:39] <Zylogue>	MZMcBride, on that same link each line/section has an 'edit' link at the end of it.  Is there an easy way of disabling this feature/function?  A link to a page that describes these little options would be welcome.
[07:17:56] <luna6>	could someone offer tips on reducing processes usage with mediawiki -- using shared hosting
[07:20:54] <luna6>	dreamhost in particular
[07:23:42] <Nin>	no idea
[07:23:53] <Nin>	just starting in this amazing wiki-world
[07:23:53] <Nin>	:D
[07:24:06] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[07:24:10] <Nikerabbit>	who is s.moaddeli?
[07:24:30] <Nin>	does anybody how to run maintenance/rebuildImages.php?
[07:24:43] <Nin>	I checked in the internet that this is the solution to
[07:24:44] <Nikerabbit>	chaning the priority back and forth wont have any effect other than annoying developers .E
[07:25:00] <Nin>	the Error creating thumbnail: Unable to create destination directory
[07:25:02] <Nin>	:S
[07:38:12] <tookoo>	Hi, how do i make it so that whenever i click the random page button, it only shows the random pages of a particular category?
[07:43:27] <tookoo>	is it by editing the "Randompage-url" and inserting my own category url?
[07:44:13] <Splarka>	That won't work
[07:44:38] <tookoo>	yeah, just tried that
[07:44:55] <Splarka>	in MediaWiki:Sidebar you might see something like randompage-url|ranmpage
[07:45:15] <Splarka>	that means, call MediaWiki:Randompage-url for the link and MediaWiki:Randompage for the text of the link
[07:45:32] <tookoo>	ok
[07:45:39] <Splarka>	and translate the latter depending on user pref language, eg MediaWiki:Randompage/fr if userlang is french
[07:45:57] <_wooz>	lo
[07:46:19] <ierpe>	hi, is it possible somehow to modifiy the <body> tag ( i want to add an 'onunload' event on it ) when you call a page?
[07:46:58] <flyingparchment>	ierpe: putting javascript in html is outdated.  use a custom javascript source file and add an event listener
[07:47:14] <ierpe>	ok
[07:48:15] <Splarka>	wikibits.js has some event listener helpers
[07:49:32] <ierpe>	ok
[07:49:43] <Splarka>	see addHandler() near the end
[07:51:53] <ierpe>	i dont find it.. in wikibits? (im on a 1.10)
[07:52:25] <Splarka>	ahh, hasn't been there that long..
[07:52:30] <Splarka>	you could copy it though, probably
[07:52:34] <ierpe>	yeah
[07:52:36] <tookoo>	hmm, its not working...
[07:52:42] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[07:52:43] <ierpe>	i have a 1.12 somewhere
[07:55:29] <tookoo>	thanks anyway
[07:55:47] <Splarka>	tookoo, there is, or was a Special: page to do that...
[07:59:08] <tookoo>	That feature is not that important for my wiki  as of now.  
[08:00:48] <Splarka>	oop, it was removed soon after, ahh well
[08:01:01] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=27436
[08:02:37] <tookoo>	damn
[08:02:42] <ierpe>	How should I use the addHandler to trigger a function when the user leaves the page he's in?
[08:05:54] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function() {
[08:05:54] <Splarka>	  addHandler(window,'unload',functionname)
[08:05:54] <Splarka>	});
[08:06:30] <Splarka>	and then define functionname for whatever you want
[08:06:31] <ierpe>	ok
[08:06:34] <Splarka>	or...
[08:06:56] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function() {
[08:06:56] <Splarka>	  addHandler(window,'unload',function() { alert('bye'); })
[08:06:56] <Splarka>	});
[08:07:09] <Splarka>	you can also use a dummy function() right there
[08:07:10] <ierpe>	is addOnloadHook in the 1.10?
[08:07:16] <Splarka>	should be
[08:07:19] <ierpe>	k
[08:07:24] <ierpe>	thanks
[08:07:34] <Splarka>	actually
[08:07:43] <Splarka>	using the window object instead of body, you don't even need it
[08:07:47] <Splarka>	addHandler(window,'unload',function() { alert('bye'); })
[08:08:12] <ierpe>	?
[08:08:20] <Splarka>	just that line alone should work
[08:08:38] <ierpe>	in my wgOut ?
[08:08:56] <Splarka>	you need addOnloadHook for most screen scraping functions, because the javascript in mediawiki is loaded in the <head>
[08:09:09] <ierpe>	ok
[08:09:21] <Splarka>	but the 'window' object is always available
[08:11:42] <ierpe>	$wgOut->addHTML("<script type=\"text/javascript\"> addHandler(window,'unload',function() { alert('bye'); }) </script>"); ?
[08:11:50] <ierpe>	does that should work huh?
[08:15:23] <VasilievVV>	ialex: images aren't imported by transwiki import iirc
[08:15:45] <ialex>	VasilievVV: the image is already there, i just want the history
[08:15:55] <VasilievVV>	Ah
[08:18:25] <Splarka>	ierpe: did you add the addHandler function?
[08:18:39] <ierpe>	ahahaha lol i added it but not comitted it
[08:18:46] <ierpe>	sry
[08:18:50] <Splarka>	that <script> tag would also have to appear after the wikibits.js load (or whatever <script> you have the addhanlder function in)
[08:18:59] <ierpe>	yep
[08:34:39] <ierpe>	OOk i got it working now, but is there a way to call a php function instead of a javascript one?
[08:35:12] <Splarka>	it would still rely on javascript
[08:35:37] <Splarka>	even if removed one step
[08:37:33] <ierpe>	you see i made a sortable profiles, where the user can move his boxes around, and i want to save the position when he's leaving, so i need to fire a php 'saving' function
[08:37:35] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35702 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/collection/collection.js: enclose sajax_do_call() calls in try-except and inform via alert() about failed XMLHttpRequest
[08:38:01] <ierpe>	can you call a php function into js?
[08:38:22] <ierpe>	ha i googled it 
[08:39:00] <Splarka>	heh
[08:39:26] <Splarka>	well, you'll have to use the JS, to activate the php
[08:39:50] <Splarka>	is the information on box position sent to the server on each move, or only stored in JS?
[08:40:34] <ierpe>	im using jQuery to create my "sortable" profile, and there is a function that returns the position of each box
[08:40:55] <ierpe>	i have a string then that i want to save into the db
[08:41:15] <ierpe>	and i will reload it when the user logs in
[08:41:44] <Splarka>	then you'll have to have javascript send that string to a custom php function you write
[08:41:48] <Splarka>	so you'll need both ^_^
[08:41:59] <ierpe>	yeah i got that! ^^
[08:42:07] <ierpe>	but how do you call php with js? :p
[08:42:13] <Splarka>	ajax
[08:42:19] <Splarka>	well, that, or cheat...
[08:42:24] <ierpe>	^^
[08:42:26] <ierpe>	no cheat
[08:42:36] <Splarka>	lemme describe the cheating
[08:42:36] <ierpe>	its not that i dont want but i cant! ^^
[08:42:48] <Splarka>	the first is to create an image
[08:43:10] <Splarka>	<img src="http://yourserver/somephp.php?parameters=gohere" />
[08:43:21] <ierpe>	lol
[08:43:24] <Splarka>	that returns a simple 1x1 pixel image (called a web bug), then your php can parse the string
[08:43:32] <Splarka>	limited to a few thousand characters though
[08:44:10] <Splarka>	second method is to do this with other things with an src="" attribute, such as a <script>, <iframe>, window.open, etc
[08:44:17] <Splarka>	but they are more messy
[08:44:37] <Splarka>	using ajax, you are limited to the same domain, but you can send POST data (much more)
[08:44:43] <ierpe>	but then im gonna have to call something like http://mywikiurl/myphppage?params
[08:45:03] <ierpe>	which is not the was the engine works, isnt it? :p
[08:45:07] <ierpe>	the way*
[08:45:22] <Splarka>	well, you'll have to write some php, and some js, to do what you want
[08:45:26] <Splarka>	unless someone has done it for you already
[08:46:18] <ierpe>	yeah i see
[08:46:50] <ierpe>	but i need to learn to use ajax in  a wiki anyway, so maybe i should get started
[08:46:57] <Splarka>	look at the existing ajax tools in mediawiki for some inspiration
[08:47:16] <ierpe>	but using ajax+jQuery in a wiki is a nightmare for me
[08:48:08] <ierpe>	cause im noob in ajax AND jQuery (and javascript, and the wiki engine.. )  :D
[08:48:15] <ierpe>	;)
[08:48:43] <Splarka>	well... there is a.... fourth possibility
[08:48:57] <Splarka>	but it is too terrible to mention! *thunder crash*
[08:49:07] <ierpe>	lol
[08:49:19] <ierpe>	then dont explain cause i might use it! :p
[08:49:20] <Splarka>	except in frantic whispered mumblings in the darkest dankest seediest corner of the internet
[08:49:22] <Splarka>	like this one
[08:49:28] <ierpe>	lol ok go on
[08:49:37] <Splarka>	instead of storing the box positions on the server, store them in client cookies! muahaha
[08:50:06] <ierpe>	hehe
[08:50:12] <ierpe>	i thought about it already! ;)
[08:50:17] <Splarka>	(you could even read them later via php, I think)
[08:50:39] <ierpe>	but then the other users who are going to visit profiles wont see it
[08:51:13] <ierpe>	you will have your own personalised profile, but the other users wouldnt see it, which is not what i want
[08:51:32] <Splarka>	picky picky
[08:51:35] <ierpe>	but that a (good) solution i think! :p
[08:52:32] <ierpe>	yeah well you see i am developing a wiki that might or might not be bought soon by a big company, so the dev is in pause at the moment
[08:52:40] <ierpe>	so im doing stuff....
[08:52:44] <ierpe>	trying
[08:52:47] <ierpe>	learning! ^^
[08:52:58] <ierpe>	cause i have nothing to develop really
[08:53:00] <ierpe>	:p
[08:59:16] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35703 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/pdf-server/README.txt: document cURL dependancy
[09:00:53] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35704 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (README.txt pdf-server/README.txt): wrong README sorry. removed bleeding-edge stuff.
[09:02:48] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35705 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: use self::post() for now
[09:12:11] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35706 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[09:15:17] <CIA-51>	03tstarling * r35707 10/trunk/extensions/AntiBot/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Simple framework for spambot checks and trigger payloads.
[09:30:31] <Gali>	i would like to create new tab for special editing of the page and therefore i need to clone edit page.?
[09:31:04] <Gali>	any hook recommendation?
[09:36:31] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35708 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): include URL in failed-POST-request error page
[09:38:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove "bugs.wikipedia.org" redirect to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14378 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (wm-thunderhead)
[09:40:02] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35709 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: more of new storage implementation, still incomplete
[09:46:29] <domas>	lol
[09:47:32] <domas>	\o/
[09:47:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove "bugs.wikipedia.org" redirect to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14378  +comment (10domas.mituzas)
[09:48:05] <Osiris2020>	:o
[09:49:52] <VasilievVV>	domas: even if I didn't know that's your comment, I would guess it's yours :)
[09:50:39] <domas>	oooh, me is me!
[09:50:47] <Splarka>	remove es.wikipedia.org
[09:50:52] <Splarka>	might be confused with en.wikipedia!
[09:52:35] <Osiris2020>	lol
[09:59:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) n:cs: site settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14270  (10danny_b)
[11:10:38] <psychoslave>	Hello
[11:12:40] <psychoslave>	I would need help on a upload repository problem
[11:13:14] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	ask
[11:13:26] <psychoslave>	I uploaded files on my wiki repository, and now i would like that mediawiki create associated pages
[11:13:43] <psychoslave>	I tried with php maintenance/rebuildImages.php --missing
[11:13:54] <psychoslave>	but it doesn't work
[11:15:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Error while loading a spanish database dump with mwdumper - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14379 04BLOCKER; normal; mwdumper: general; (jymj2002)
[11:15:13] <psychoslave>	I also tried to hack buildImages.php but didn't manage to make something which works
[11:16:17] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: --missing generates entries in the image metadata table. this means you can now use the images on wiki pages (try it).
[11:17:06] <Duesentrieb>	to automatically create pages for each image, don't use rebuildImages.php; put the images somehwere else, and use the importImages.php script. 
[11:17:12] <Galiman>	pls do you know how to hook event on submit on edit page?
[11:17:17] <Duesentrieb>	that will copy the image, make a meta-data entry, and create a page, too
[11:19:07] <Duesentrieb>	Galiman: EditFilter or AlternateEdit canbe used to intercept calls to the edit page.
[11:19:30] <Duesentrieb>	Galiman: EditPage::attemptSave is also good.
[11:19:36] <Duesentrieb>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3AHooks#Hooks_grouped_by_function
[11:19:52] <Galiman>	thx Duesentrieb
[11:20:07] <Duesentrieb>	it really depends if you want to be called when the edit page is first shown too, and for preview calls, or only for save, etc
[11:20:12] <psychoslave>	nop seems it doesn't work
[11:20:22] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: what doesn't?
[11:21:01] <psychoslave>	well here is my repository : http://download.tuxfamily.org/cls/ and the wiki is here : http://www.culture-libre.org/wiki/Accueil
[11:21:19] <Duesentrieb>	rebuildImages.php --missing expects the images to be in the correct directory structure.
[11:21:32] <Duesentrieb>	per default, that would be hashed, not flat.
[11:21:48] <psychoslave>	If I try to go http://www.culture-libre.org/wiki/Image:2_double_2_-_2_double_2_-_Licence_Art_Libre_license.ogg it won't work
[11:21:49] <Duesentrieb>	maybe setting it to flat would work for you. but i really recommend to use import, not refresh.ö
[11:21:57] <Duesentrieb>	err, rebuilf
[11:25:55] <psychoslave>	how do I set it to flat?
[11:30:32] <psychoslave>	in rebuildImages.php I deleted '$archive = $image->publish( $file );' and modified $image->recordUpload to $image->recordUpload2( '', $comment, $content )
[11:30:50] <psychoslave>	but it doesn't work...
[11:34:26] <alnokta>	how to list the link target?
[11:42:45] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: don't mess with the code. don't rebuild the image list. import the images.
[11:43:29] <Duesentrieb>	 * Maintenance script to import one or more images from the local file system into
[11:43:29] <Duesentrieb>	 * the wiki without using the web-based interface
[11:43:38] <Duesentrieb>	that's what you want, no?
[11:48:42] <psychoslave>	Duesentrieb: yes except that my files are already in the repository directory
[11:48:58] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: move them somewhere else, then.
[11:49:01] <psychoslave>	and I can move them elsewhere,
[11:49:18] <psychoslave>	I do not have enough disk space
[11:49:41] <alnokta>	delete them
[11:49:47] <Duesentrieb>	huh? taht kind of sucks :)
[11:49:56] <Duesentrieb>	really no speace? or just a quota?
[11:50:23] <Duesentrieb>	if if it's a quota problem, just copy move them to /tmp - on a decent system, that should not be effected by the quota
[11:50:34] <psychoslave>	well it's a quota, I received a 10Go quota, and loaded about 7Go
[11:50:59] <Duesentrieb>	simple solution then: do half of them first
[11:51:12] <Duesentrieb>	then delete the temp location of those first half of files to make room
[11:51:15] <Duesentrieb>	then improt the rest
[11:51:22] <Duesentrieb>	or make three or four batches
[11:51:51] <Duesentrieb>	but do check if /tmp is excempt from the quota. it often is
[11:54:05] <psychoslave>	so there is no way to list unregistred files and creates pages?
[11:54:20] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35710 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: Use query strings instead of session value when generating PDFs. Fixes the problem with simultaneous PDF generations by same user.
[11:54:55] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: not that i know of. it would be relativey simple to write a perl (or whatever) script to generate an xml dump for such pages, and then improt that
[11:55:04] <Duesentrieb>	the question is what info you want on those pages
[11:56:00] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: an option to create missing pages in rebuildImages.php is not a bad suggestion, however, it's unclear what to put on such a page. creating empty pages is not desierable, probably.
[11:56:25] <Duesentrieb>	psychoslave: as to using a flat directory structure instead of hashed... i'm afraid this option no longer exists since 1.12
[11:56:35] <Duesentrieb>	because of the the new storage backend architecture
[11:57:39] <QuestPC>	Hi! Is there anything happened with security check and userCan hook in 1.12? My security extension doesn't work as expected after upgrading from 1.11.2
[11:58:46] <QuestPC>	It used to ban read access from subnets, now it allows to pass. In the extension's own log there's no check for "read" acrion anymore.
[11:59:28] <QuestPC>	Read action is not checked anymore. It used to be checked, I haven't changed LocalSettings.php
[11:59:49] <QuestPC>	my read for anon "*" is set to true.
[12:02:10] <QuestPC>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']=true; with 1.11.2 it was calling userCan with$ action="read" now it doesn't with 1.12
[12:07:57] <QuestPC>	I rely on the fact that $result=false should ban access, while $result=NULL should continue internal check. yet, it simply doesn't check for action=read.
[12:09:04] <Duesentrieb>	QuestPC: see the discussion and patch for this issue on the talk page of the Lockdown extension.
[12:09:14] <Duesentrieb>	i'll probably interoduce a solution for this in 1.13
[12:10:25] <Duesentrieb>	QuestPC: in short, the check on userCan for reading was disabled for wikis with no whitelist, because it's slow and happens for *every* request. I'll probably just add an option to force it.
[12:10:41] <QuestPC>	Duesentrieb: thanks I'll check it out. maybe I'll go for SVN. fix is needed in some cases.
[12:11:02] <Duesentrieb>	QuestPC: the solution is not in svn yet. it's in my head :)
[12:11:20] <Duesentrieb>	i'll probably commit it in a couple of days or weeks
[12:11:29] <QuestPC>	Duesentrieb: will it be in SVN? will you announce it on that extension talk page?
[12:11:49] <Duesentrieb>	i'll announce it on the extension page (and maybe the talk page too)
[12:12:15] <Duesentrieb>	the patch is trivial btw. you whould be able to live with it
[12:12:18] <QuestPC>	Duesentrieb: thanks. because my wiki really needs it
[12:12:39] <QuestPC>	Duesentrieb: ok, I am going to read talk page
[12:35:13] *Duesentrieb_ 	blinks
[12:35:19] <Duesentrieb_>	disconnedted... wtf?
[12:35:46] <QuestPC>	Duesentrieb: userCan seems to work after commenting out "public wiki check", thanks.
[12:35:58] <Duesentrieb_>	\o/ 
[12:38:11] <QuestPC>	it was allowing to see private pages from banned IP's, and some time had passed until we have figured it out. (the wiki is half-public, half-private)
[12:39:52] <QuestPC>	there's subnet range list with title regexp and users group list also with title regexp.
[12:40:48] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[13:19:39] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35711 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: Fixes: use wfAppendQuery() everywhere as it respects already present query strings like w/ a ugly-URL MediaWiki installation
[13:48:10] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35712 10/trunk/extensions/Tab0/ (. Tab0.i18n.php Tab0.php): Tab0 extension by Agbad, slightly edited.
[14:07:21] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35714 10/trunk/extensions/piwik/Piwik.i18n.php: 
[14:07:21] <CIA-51>	* Make description more precise and add a link to the special page
[14:07:21] <CIA-51>	* Change HTML entity to UTF-8
[14:07:21] <CIA-51>	* Add German localization
[14:10:54] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35715 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/ (10 files): Fix fucking mess (part 1)
[14:15:26] <^demon>	siebrand: Ping.
[14:15:54] <siebrand>	demon: busy
[14:16:16] <^demon>	siebrand: "Fix fucking mess (part 1)" isn't highly descriptive. That's all.
[14:16:55] <siebrand>	well, it's a mess and it is part 1 of the fixing.
[14:17:10] <^demon>	Touche.
[14:17:51] <siebrand>	the 'fuck' is added to show frustration by the one doing the fixed.
[14:17:54] <siebrand>	fixes, even
[14:18:34] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35716 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.php: Better add this comment back
[14:19:29] <^demon>	A slight description as to *what* is being fixed would be appreciated. That was my only point. :-P
[14:19:56] <^demon>	Maybe append to it in part 2 ;-)
[14:20:45] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35717 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.php: Use "@comment"
[14:20:47] <siebrand>	maybe...
[14:20:48] <AaronSchulz>	^demon: most i18n stuff doesn't need a specific summary
[14:21:04] <dcrochet>	hello, i've a question. on a wiki, we have now no free space disk, so i find where i can found some space disk. So some image have been reuploaded, so can we delete older version of image but not the actual ? if yes, what is the work to do it ?
[14:21:18] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: This is true.
[14:24:21] <mib_77s8or>	AaronSchulz: it does in this case.  Apparently something changed so that i18n message arrays have to be defined for all language variations even if there is no translation for them?  if so, its pretty crucial info for extension writers
[14:24:41] <mib_77s8or>	hopefully siebrand will explain at some point
[14:25:10] <AaronSchulz>	no, they don't have to be defined
[14:25:37] <AaronSchulz>	all that commit did was cleanup left over script cruft
[14:26:06] <siebrand>	basically IMO the developer of FlaggedRevs is making a huge mess out of the i18n and L10n. It frustrates me beyond description, and I am ready to throw out support for it.
[14:29:12] <AaronSchulz>	mib_77s8or: anyway, splitting them up means that various message loading can be delayed
[14:29:25] <mib_77s8or>	ah, thanks
[14:31:00] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[14:33:42] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35718 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Update to recent FlaggedRevs changes (1->10 message groups)
[14:40:15] <AaronSchulz>	Duesentrieb: is domas's tweak still breaking those extensions?
[14:40:31] <Duesentrieb>	AaronSchulz: yes. i'll just introduce a global option.
[14:40:43] <Duesentrieb>	or will you?
[14:40:58] <Duesentrieb>	wgForceUserCanReadCheck or some such
[14:41:28] <AaronSchulz>	sounds icky, so I'll let someone else do it :)
[14:41:39] <AaronSchulz>	I wonder what AntiBot does
[14:41:51] *AaronSchulz 	looks
[14:43:32] <charly21>	Xirzon is not online, the inputbox on my wiki is not working after changing the server
[14:44:06] <charly21>	http://wiki.crymod.com/index.php/Category:Flowgraph_Samples
[14:44:18] <charly21>	UNIQ1edaef27583744dd-inputbox-00000001-QINU
[14:47:29] <AaronSchulz>	:s
[14:49:34] <charly21>	does anybody know, when Xirzon is available over IRC?
[14:51:05] <VasilievVV>	charly21: never, I think
[14:52:37] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35719 10/trunk/extensions/ (Piwik/ piwik/): Renamed (capital "P" in directory name for consistency)
[14:55:57] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35720 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/ (5 files): 
[14:55:57] <CIA-51>	* trimmed trailing whitespace
[14:55:57] <CIA-51>	* align messages
[14:55:57] <CIA-51>	* fix indendation
[14:57:51] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35721 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for Piwik
[14:59:22] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35722 10/trunk/extensions/Tab0/Tab0.php: Fix indentation of extension credits
[15:01:41] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35723 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for Tab0
[15:09:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page counter is broken in new sites (sah, ext, kaa, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14380 minor; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (malafaya)
[15:11:46] <brion>	what up
[15:12:36] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hey
[15:12:40] <AaronSchulz>	http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=8917946
[15:12:54] <AaronSchulz>	still watching
[15:13:47] <ialex>	hello brion
[15:14:20] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35724 10/trunk/extensions/AntiBot/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[15:14:20] <CIA-51>	* add SVN keywords
[15:14:20] <CIA-51>	* add extension credits with descriptionmsg (should this thingie announce active plugins somehow?)
[15:14:20] <CIA-51>	* fix trailing whitespace
[15:16:03] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35725 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for AntiBot
[15:22:43] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: could you please take a look at this: http://rafb.net/p/kK0nrI39.html. Thank you.
[15:23:07] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: it appears that FlaggedRevs currently defines 11 message IDs twice.
[15:23:11] <AaronSchulz>	brion: geez, that makes even me feel a bit guilty
[15:23:29] <brion>	heh
[15:24:02] <AaronSchulz>	about forests at least
[15:28:05] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35726 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: Fix typo in messag group indentifier
[15:30:15] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35727 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: Fix (another) typo in message group indentifier
[15:31:11] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35728 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Argh. "wik" is to easily written as "wiki"
[15:33:29] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35729 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/ReviewedPages.i18n.php: Remove duplicate messages from other files
[15:34:27] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35730 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/ (Piwik.i18n.php Piwik_specialpage.php): Make 3 message identifiers more unique
[15:35:53] <AaronSchulz>	brion: what do you do to protect the forests? :)
[15:36:33] <brion>	i avoid printing shit out
[15:36:58] <brion>	on the other hand, my bookshelves at home house several former forests
[15:37:08] *brion 	has not yet been converted to the e-book
[15:37:53] <AaronSchulz>	brion: do you ever watch Penn & Teller?
[15:37:53] *AaronSchulz 	should watch more
[15:38:32] <brion>	they still running 'bullshit'? i saw some of the early eps, they were fun
[15:38:58] <AaronSchulz>	still runs
[15:39:15] <brion>	heheheh finally found it, i always think of this when ebooks come up... http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
[15:39:26] <Tech69>	Bonjour,
[15:39:47] <Tech69>	comment fais t'on pour créer des pages avec mediawiki
[15:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Article count stands still - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (AheunHana)
[15:41:36] <josch>	what could be the reason that
[15:41:40] <josch>	after each reboot
[15:41:48] <josch>	my mysql database works like hell
[15:41:56] <josch>	with cpu utlised 100%
[15:42:21] <josch>	it's a 14GB wikipedia database
[15:42:27] <josch>	is this normal
[15:42:46] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Article count stands still - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381  +comment (10brion)
[15:44:27] <VasilievVV>	hi brion
[15:45:13] <alnokta>	josch, very normal
[15:45:22] <alnokta>	the size,
[15:47:47] <josch>	alnokta, what is this for? what is it doing?
[15:50:09] <zhenya>	hello
[15:50:11] <MattFoxx>	hi
[15:50:23] <MattFoxx>	do you know how to wiki
[15:50:36] <MattFoxx>	coz i got a major major prob
[15:50:40] <zhenya>	no
[15:50:46] <MattFoxx>	damn'
[15:51:18] <alnokta>	josch, what do you mean?
[15:51:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck misses obscure case when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347  summary (10brion)
[15:51:54] <MattFoxx>	I need help plox
[15:52:29] <josch>	alnokta, what does it do on each reboot?
[15:52:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Forbid image uploads in ru.wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14349   +shell (10brion)
[15:52:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page counter is broken in new sites (sah, ext, kaa, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14380  +comment (10danny_b)
[15:53:29] <alnokta>	josch, no idea, may be reading it or something, #mysql
[15:54:22] <MattFoxx>	Can someone help me please?
[15:55:06] <alnokta>	brion, can you give us a hint on how to add .rtl to main.css please? instead of duplicating the code
[15:55:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article count stands still - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381  (10AheunHana)
[15:55:18] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special pages on kk.wikipedia don' t reflect interface language changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14351  +comment (10brion)
[15:55:20] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, you have to ask a question first 
[15:55:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  +comment (10brion)
[15:55:27] <MattFoxx>	oh
[15:55:34] <MattFoxx>	what does the error "Error, Setup.php must be included from the file scope, after DefaultSettings.php" mean?
[15:56:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article count stands still - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381  +comment (10danny_b)
[15:58:13] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) No possibility to patrol from Special:Contributions/newbies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13181  +comment (10brion)
[15:58:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No possibility to patrol from Special:Contributions/user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14352  +comment (10brion)
[15:59:55] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, did you install mediawiki?
[16:00:01] <MattFoxx>	yeh
[16:00:05] <MattFoxx>	and it was working fune
[16:00:08] <MattFoxx>	fine*
[16:00:17] <MattFoxx>	me and a friend were working on it this evening
[16:00:23] <MattFoxx>	i went to add a logo and poof
[16:00:25] <MattFoxx>	gone
[16:00:29] <MattFoxx>	error
[16:00:42] <alnokta>	may be you messed up localsettings.php
[16:00:46] <MattFoxx>	maybe
[16:00:53] <MattFoxx>	anyway you can check it?
[16:00:53] <alnokta>	delete it and start over 
[16:00:58] <MattFoxx>	how?
[16:01:05] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Moving user subpages is not rate limited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14356  +comment (10brion)
[16:01:07] <MattFoxx>	just reinstall mediawiki>
[16:01:09] <MattFoxx>	?
[16:01:37] <alnokta>	delete the file localsettings.php
[16:01:40] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: thanks.
[16:01:53] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: anything else messed up?
[16:02:04] <MattFoxx>	alnokta: will it create itself again
[16:02:08] <MattFoxx>	?
[16:02:17] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: aside from the author GPL violations nothing.
[16:02:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Problems with statistics in Sakha Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14359  +comment (10brion)
[16:02:29] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, when you visit the wiki again and supply it with settings
[16:02:33] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: is that part 2?
[16:02:44] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: well, as far as the messages are present in BW...
[16:02:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Problems with statistics in Erzya Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14360  +comment (10brion)
[16:02:54] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: for the others I have no history.
[16:02:55] <MattFoxx>	when i go to the wiki i get the error
[16:03:02] <alnokta>	b rion is eating bugs :P
[16:03:25] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, after you wiped localsettiingsp.php?
[16:03:35] <MattFoxx>	hang on
[16:03:45] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: part 2 is a full export and rebuild of all 10 files, adding authors and re-aligning messages.
[16:04:38] <MattFoxx>	Will it delete my pages etc?
[16:05:03] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, no 
[16:05:17] <MattFoxx>	okay
[16:05:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo for mdf.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14364  +comment (10brion)
[16:05:41] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35731 10/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Localisation updates German
[16:05:43] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, but use the same database name
[16:05:51] <MattFoxx>	i know
[16:05:55] <MattFoxx>	:P
[16:05:59] <alnokta>	good :)
[16:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check for "Image:Honest Ed&apos;s.jpg" in commons file repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  (10brion)
[16:08:38] <MattFoxx>	one last thing
[16:08:53] <MattFoxx>	can you walk me through changing the logo
[16:08:58] <MattFoxx>	i dont wanna mess up anymore
[16:09:02] <MattFoxx>	lol
[16:09:13] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, the problem is in your text editor
[16:09:20] <MattFoxx>	i'd assume so
[16:09:28] <alnokta>	MattFoxx, notepad++
[16:09:37] <MattFoxx>	well
[16:09:44] <MattFoxx>	i used a web-based one
[16:09:51] <MattFoxx>	so maybe thats where i messed up
[16:09:58] <alnokta>	you deserve what you got :P
[16:10:01] <MattFoxx>	lol
[16:10:03] <MattFoxx>	i know
[16:10:10] <MattFoxx>	damn my noob skills
[16:10:11] <MattFoxx>	:P
[16:10:28] <MattFoxx>	well thanks for the help
[16:10:33] <MattFoxx>	peace out
[16:10:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Rendering of indic scripts in Esperanto WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14371  +comment (10brion)
[16:13:10] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35732 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Add link description for 2 special page references
[16:13:46] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35733 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/Piwik.php: Remove unnecessary colons
[16:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Remove "bugs.wikipedia.org" redirect to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14378  +comment (10brion)
[16:15:17] <spsneo>	can i upgrade mediawiki from older version using update script
[16:15:17] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Page counter is broken in new sites (sah, ext, kaa, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14380  +comment (10brion)
[16:15:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import needs to update site statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5703  +comment (10brion)
[16:15:26] <spsneo>	can i upgrade mediawiki from older version using update script\
[16:16:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article count stands still - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381  (10brion)
[16:17:12] <brion>	spsneo: what do the upgrade instructions say about it?
[16:17:44] <spsneo>	i mean can i upgrade from a very older version to the latest version
[16:17:49] <spsneo>	using update script
[16:18:06] <spsneo>	or does upgrade just support upgrade from the last version
[16:18:16] <spsneo>	brion, ^^
[16:18:40] <brion>	what do the upgrade instructions say?
[16:19:16] <spsneo>	brion, it doesnt say anything
[16:19:17] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35734 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/Piwik.i18n.php: Upper case to lower case
[16:19:17] <brion>	just glance through the section headings in the UPGRADE file
[16:19:22] <brion>	and i think you'll find differently
[16:19:39] <brion>	if you're not even going to look at the directions, well... good luck :)
[16:20:09] <spsneo>	brion, why cant u  help me?
[16:20:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving user subpages is not rate limited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14356  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[16:21:18] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35735 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/Piwik.i18n.php: Shorten 'piwik-desc'
[16:23:12] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35736 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Set message 'piwiki' from extension Piwik to optional
[16:24:05] <Slashman>	hi all, can someone help me and tell me how to grant sysop or bureaucrat status to an user when I don't have anymore a password of a bureaucrat or sysop ? I have full access to the server
[16:24:07] <siebrand>	Raymond_: thanks for that fix.
[16:24:36] <Raymond_>	siebrand: np, it was my own error 
[16:24:46] <siebrand>	Raymond_: 'twas? Hmm. :)
[16:25:12] <Raymond_>	siebrand: I think... 
[16:25:19] <siebrand>	Raymond_: I'm away for 4 days and it takes me 4 hours to catch up :(
[16:25:51] *siebrand 	fears the 2 weeks holidays that are coming up...
[16:26:12] <Raymond_>	I believe...
[16:28:01] <mib_77s8or>	Slashman, go into LocalSettings.php, set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['userrights']	= true;, browse to Special:Userrights and make someone a sysop, delete the line from LocalSettings
[16:29:34] <Slashman>	thx, but it's a wiki that's in production with 100 users on it :p
[16:29:45] <Slashman>	I'll try tonight
[16:30:20] <mib_77s8or>	Slashman, well you can also edit the user_groups table in your DB
[16:30:39] <Slashman>	hm, seems better
[16:30:54] <Slashman>	but I'm using ldap as a backend, does it matter ?
[16:31:03] <mib_77s8or>	for groups as well?
[16:40:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article count stands still - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381  (10AheunHana)
[16:55:15] <brion>	"Form is specialpages-specialpagegroup-$specialpage"
[16:55:20] <brion>	that seems a bit excessive :)
[16:56:02] <alnokta>	brion, please answer me
[16:56:10] <brion>	answer you what?
[16:56:45] <alnokta>	how to fix external links icon on rtl wikis
[16:56:57] <alnokta>	a hint so that no code duplication happens
[16:57:02] <AaronSchulz>	brion: ugh
[16:57:24] <Galiman>	is it possible to override (hook) reading of revision from the database ?
[16:58:17] <AaronSchulz>	...
[16:58:51] <brion>	alnokta: use classes appropriately to ensure that redundant entries aren't duplicated
[16:58:51] <AaronSchulz>	brion: ever hear of a turduckendilla ?
[16:59:21] <brion>	alnokta: i'm just making a general comment
[16:59:44] <brion>	when you have the exact same rule on ten different definitions, it may be more efficient to declare them together
[17:00:44] <alnokta>	brion, talking about http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/main.css?view=log
[17:02:41] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Separation of i18n files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14366  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:13:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Jump to particular time/date in article history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14377  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:17:06] <MinuteElectron>	brion: Which comment would you like me to update, I don't understand what you mean.
[17:17:49] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35737 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/ (10 files): 
[17:17:49] <CIA-51>	Fix fucking mess (part 2)
[17:17:49] <CIA-51>	* full export for all present langauges in the FlaggedRevs i18n files from Betawiki
[17:17:49] <CIA-51>	* re-add language names
[17:17:49] <CIA-51>	* proper sorting of message groups by language code
[17:17:51] <CIA-51>	* re-add credits where available (WARNING: not all GPL violations for removing authors from r35661 have been fixed!!!). This fix only contains the authors for messages that are present in Betawiki.
[17:17:56] <CIA-51>	This ends fixing what I could fix without dedicating ludicrous amounts of time to it. Apropos: r35661 does not appear to be a fix for bug 14258
[17:23:37] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35738 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Formulate 'file-exists-duplicate' more certain
[17:26:30] <brion>	MinuteElectron: that commit comment described what was wrong with the old behavior, instead of describing what change had been made
[17:26:46] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35739 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[17:26:50] <brion>	the implication as written is that the behavior has been changed to do X instead of Y
[17:27:02] <brion>	when in fact it has been changed from Y to X
[17:29:03] <MinuteElectron>	brion: ok, I understand, but the e-mail suggested that I had to do something; is this so?
[17:29:29] <brion>	MinuteElectron: i'd recommend changing that comment yes :)
[17:30:22] <siebrand>	brion: any plans for a scap within the next few hours? (I plan on committing bw work from the past 4 days and would like to know if I should hurry or not :P)
[17:30:52] <brion>	when i've completed code review
[17:30:54] <MinuteElectron>	brion: The RELEASE-NOTES, or the SVN commit log comment, or the bugzilla bug title?
[17:31:15] <brion>	MinuteElectron: the release notes, but also you should be clear in commit logs
[17:31:28] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[17:31:34] <siebrand>	brion: OK, if you are done before I made the "Localisation updates" commits, please hold on. Will be done within 3 hours, probably.
[17:34:48] <brion>	siebrand: i can do a second scap for localization updates if need be, no problem :)
[17:34:55] <CIA-51>	03minuteelectron * r35740 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: * Clarify comment about ListGroupRights change to indicate what behaviour was changed, not the undesirable behaviour that existed before it was changed.
[17:34:59] <siebrand>	brion: appreciated.
[17:36:28] <VasilievVV>	How to check which webserver does user use?
[17:39:01] <Danny_B>	VasilievVV: by checking the footer of html, but i guess, you mean in php?
[17:39:23] <VasilievVV>	No, using browser
[17:39:56] <alnokta>	make a 404
[17:40:26] <alnokta>	"
[17:40:26] <alnokta>	Does anyone know if the plan for the future (after existing accounts
[17:40:26] <alnokta>	are sorted out) is to have names be reserved when you register them
[17:40:26] <alnokta>	anywhere, though?
[17:40:26] <alnokta>	" isn't that already true brion ?
[17:40:40] <Danny_B>	VasilievVV: open the source code and at the very bottom you'll see "served by  srvXYZ"
[17:40:56] <VasilievVV>	WTF is CentOS?
[17:41:06] <MinuteElectron>	A Linux distribution.
[17:41:22] <VasilievVV>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Support_desk/Sections/Unsorted&action=edit&section=T-154
[17:41:46] <VasilievVV>	And this user is telling me he uses Microsoft Windows?
[17:42:01] <alnokta>	he uses windows on their pc :)
[17:42:06] <VasilievVV>	:DD
[17:42:26] <brion>	alnokta: once the account's been migrated, the name is reserved; noone may register a new local account with that name except the global account holder
[17:42:29] <alnokta>	and CentOS isn't a wtf, it is redhat
[17:43:42] <alnokta>	brion, and now when you create a new account, it is unified by default.. right?
[17:44:24] <VasilievVV>	alnokta: no, it's still opt-in
[17:44:57] <alnokta>	VasilievVV, oh ok
[17:48:24] <brion>	indeed, not yet.
[17:51:12] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35741 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Doxygen warnings
[17:51:36] <MONK3000>	Hi. how can I refresh the timestamp for all categories?
[17:52:00] <MONK3000>	I change the catsort and the comment reads: It'll get corrected on the next edit, but resetting cl_timestamp
[17:52:43] <VasilievVV>	::Where is my LocalSettings.php?  Where would it be found? [[User:NuclearVacuum|NuclearVacuum]] 17:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[17:52:48] <VasilievVV>	Idiots
[17:53:09] <AaronSchulz>	ialex: how many warnings are there?
[17:53:52] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: dunno extactely, some kb in stderr
[17:54:09] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35742 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (69 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-06-02 19:43 CEST)
[17:54:42] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: but it remains a lot of warning
[17:54:49] <Hojjat>	siebrand: hello
[17:55:06] <ialex>	most of them are undefined function @acess,
[17:55:10] <ialex>	erg
[17:55:18] <ialex>	hello Hojjat
[17:55:26] <Hojjat>	hi ialex
[17:56:08] <alnokta>	Hojjat, do you have some free time?
[17:56:22] <ialex>	*@access, @private, @public, @static and something like String $param that should be $param String:
[17:59:47] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35743 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (22 files): Localisation updates. Rebuilt all languages files, removed obsolete messages
[18:01:05] <AaronSchulz>	ialex: can't it tell visibility from the code?
[18:02:36] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: they are in Doxygen doc (marked as PHP specific) but they seem to not exist on my version of doxygen (1.5.5)
[18:05:36] <siebrand>	wee! Just talked to Hojjat who's in NL :)
[18:05:44] <siebrand>	We might even meet on Friday.
[18:06:23] <brion>	ialex: i believe the @access, @private, @public, @static were from the php-4 & phpdoc days
[18:06:31] <siebrand>	It's not every day one can meet a fellow committer :)
[18:06:46] <brion>	however, blindly applying them to the function declarations isn't wise, as they're not always accurate to the actual usage :)
[18:06:57] <siebrand>	(but we're going to try and get more together on FOSDEM 2009 - YAY!)
[18:07:25] <brion>	MinuteElectron: thanks, the release note is much clearer now! :)
[18:08:45] <ialex>	brion: i only remove some of them, such as @static when the function is declared as static, ... and most of @public, as it should be the default level
[18:09:45] <MinuteElectron>	brion: You're welcome.
[18:09:57] <MONK3000>	ok i just again: how can i reset the timestamp for all categories without editing them?
[18:10:37] <MONK3000>	I want to change the catsort - that works already, but and the comment in Title.php reads: It'll get corrected on the next edit, but resetting cl_timestamp
[18:16:05] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35744 10/trunk/extensions/ (127 files in 120 dirs): Localisation updates for extensions messages from Betawiki (2008-06-02 19:43 CEST)
[18:16:07] <siebrand>	brion: I'm all done.
[18:18:35] <brion>	tx :)
[18:18:48] <brion>	MONK3000: well, you could poke in the db i suppose
[18:25:32] <asarand>	Please tell me how to change the colors that are not black background and #00FFCC (a teal) text. Web Developer shows only a table entry that I already changed when I click the white background. When I click the blue background, it shows "no style information".
[18:25:35] <asarand>	http://3dcrystal.ff12maps.com/wiki/index.php/The_Great_Crystal_3D_Map
[18:28:36] <MONK3000>	brion: what would i need to do in the db to reset the timestamp as if the category page was edited?
[18:29:55] <MONK3000>	what about maintenance/refreshLinks.php ?
[18:34:55] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35745 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesCu.php MessagesEo.php MessagesUk.php): 
[18:34:55] <CIA-51>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[18:34:55] <CIA-51>	* cu: renamed namespaces according to new Unicode 5.1 standard
[18:34:55] <CIA-51>	* eo: update magic words
[18:34:55] <CIA-51>	* uk: update Special: namespace
[18:36:55] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35746 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:36:55] <CIA-51>	Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[18:36:55] <CIA-51>	Localisation updates Chinese for extension messages
[18:45:24] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35747 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Add bug and comment for r35609: * (bug 13434) Show a warning when hash identical files exist
[18:45:43] <asarand>	It's the image thumbnail box. The outer part of it doesn't seem to be affected by the css that web developer identifies as table properties. The title bar portion (blue background and black text) seems to have no associated css and is hardcoded.
[18:46:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Show warning when hash identical file exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13434  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:55:06] <CIA-51>	03raymond * r35748 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesDe.php MessagesDe_formal.php): Localisation updates German
[18:56:42] <MONK3000>	ok refreshLinks doesn't refresh the timestamp for categories as if they were edited. any other maintenance script i may use?
[19:01:18] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35749 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: Updated code for new storage engine, still incomplete
[19:03:35] <trops>	Is possible I restrict view of certain pages?
[19:04:27] <MONK3000>	ok it does. forget my posz
[19:05:20] <jimbojw>	trops: generally speaking, that's very tricky, but there are extensions that try to do add that functionality
[19:05:30] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35750 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (9 files in 6 dirs): 
[19:05:31] <CIA-51>	Send category membership information to semantic store, use new label for SMW_SP_HAS_CATEGORY (old
[19:05:31] <CIA-51>	deprecated constant will stay available for two releases); new constants SMW_SP_INSTANCE_OF and
[19:05:31] <CIA-51>	SMW_SP_SUBCATEGORY_OF distinguish between subclass and instance relationships to make way for explicit class
[19:05:31] <CIA-51>	hierarchy.
[19:06:03] <jimbojw>	trops: I'd recommend picking through the Extension Matrix: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[19:07:13] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35751 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: New file for defining SF's built-in form inputs
[19:08:36] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35752 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Built-in form input functions are now defined in SF_FormInputs.inc
[19:11:16] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35753 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Fix for major bug in sffGetAllPagesForProperty_1_0()
[19:11:59] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35754 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.2.2
[19:16:09] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35755 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialEmailuser.php api/ApiEmailUser.php): Put ratelimiter and edittoken checking in backend.
[19:17:41] <trops>	jimbojw: thanks! :D
[19:23:26] <asarand>	no takers?
[19:24:26] <Pathoschild>	asarand: What should we be taking? :)
[19:24:37] <asarand>	Please tell me how to change the colors that are not black background and #00FFCC (a teal) text. Web Developer shows only a table entry that I already changed when I click the white background. When I click the blue background, it shows "no style information".
[19:24:38] <tekmosis>	What's the difference in /includes/SpecialPage.php between an 'IncludableSpecialPage' and 'SpecialPage'?
[19:24:42] <asarand>	http://3dcrystal.ff12maps.com/wiki/index.php/The_Great_Crystal_3D_Map
[19:24:47] <asarand>	It's the image thumbnail box. The outer part of it doesn't seem to be affected by the css that web developer identifies as table properties. The title bar portion (blue background and black text) seems to have no associated css and is hardcoded.
[19:25:05] <Nikerabbit>	hi Pathoschild
[19:25:13] <Pathoschild>	Hello.
[19:27:33] <Pathoschild>	asarand: The Monobook skin is a pain to make black; white backgrounds are explicitly set everywhere. Let me see if I can find it.
[19:28:22] <asarand>	Pathoschild: I've already changed almost every occurance of white or #fff that I can find. None of them change it.
[19:28:59] <tekmosis>	asarand, web developer as in the extension for FF?
[19:29:02] <Pathoschild>	asarand: it's hardcoded on the <table> tag; search " background-color: #ffffff;" in the source code.
[19:29:24] <asarand>	tekmosis: as in the FF extension
[19:30:00] <Pathoschild>	asarand: You can override it with "table { background:#000 !important; }", although you might want to make it more specific if you don't want *all* tables to be black.
[19:30:20] <tekmosis>	For future reference doing ctrl-shift-f or ctrl-shift-y and then clicking on the element helps in debugging situations like this (: I find it helpful, anywyas 
[19:30:40] <asarand>	thanks, tekmosis.
[19:33:03] <asarand>	Thanks Pathoschild. When I click the white background when web developer is invoked, it shows the following:
[19:33:05] <asarand>	 table (line 77)
[19:33:07] <asarand>	{
[19:33:08] <asarand>	font-size: 100%;
[19:33:10] <asarand>	color: #ffff99;
[19:33:11] <asarand>	background-color: black;
[19:33:13] <asarand>	}
[19:33:14] <asarand>	I already changed this, as you can see. I'm just trying to figure out why the background is still white, and why the blue background is hard-coded in the html
[19:34:59] <Pathoschild>	asarand: Try adding "!important", to override the inline style.
[19:35:09] <asarand>	ok. Thanks.
[19:35:15] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.
[19:36:06] <asarand>	that worked. thanks. :)
[19:45:01] <brion>	domas, Soxred93 wants to know why we're blocking his bot :)
[19:46:10] <AaronSchulz>	brion: what that bot approved?
[19:46:10] <VasilievVV>	brion: you blocked SoxBot? I promoted it a bot flag on meta today! :)
[19:46:42] <Soxred93>	It's SoxBot V which is on enwiki
[19:46:51] <Soxred93>	It's made 40000 edits
[19:47:20] <brion>	40000 edits of "so and so is online / offline" doesn't seem like proper use of wikipedia :)
[19:47:25] <AaronSchulz>	*was
[19:47:37] <Soxred93>	It was approved
[19:47:45] <Soxred93>	, AaronSchulz
[19:47:46] <AaronSchulz>	I'd be surprised if BAG approved that, were is the link?
[19:47:48] <domas>	brion: well, I already wrote to his talkpage
[19:47:59] <brion>	domas: he didn't understand and is asking for clarification
[19:48:03] <Soxred93>	AaronSchulz, it was a clone of 2 other bots
[19:48:13] <AaronSchulz>	what bots?
[19:48:17] <brion>	Soxred93: we would block any bot we notice doing this
[19:48:33] <Soxred93>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/SoxBot_V
[19:48:40] <brion>	it's possible that some other person may have approved it, but we are the actual server administrators
[19:48:59] <AaronSchulz>	brion: good, since BAG is being silly
[19:49:13] <domas>	Soxred93: oh you are here!
[19:49:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DB connection error on running maintenance script "rebuildall. php" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14372  minor->normal (10nies.david)
[19:49:18] <brion>	the "don't worry about performance" rule is "don't worry about performance UNTIL we tell you it's problematic"
[19:49:19] <Soxred93>	Yeah
[19:49:25] <AaronSchulz>	Soxred93: are they running either?
[19:49:28] <Soxred93>	I came in because of it, Domas
[19:49:30] <AaronSchulz>	the other versions
[19:49:33] <Soxred93>	No, they broke
[19:49:39] <Soxred93>	due to Perl errors
[19:49:42] <AaronSchulz>	good
[19:50:27] <Soxred93>	[[User:StatusBot]] and [[User:Chris G Bot 3]]
[19:50:31] <domas>	well, other "don't worry about performance" has "if benefit is bigger" attached to it too
[19:50:33] <AaronSchulz>	brion: time to finish up studying for finals :)
[19:50:49] <AaronSchulz>	domas: no, just spam the servers since "they can take it"
[19:50:54] <AaronSchulz>	:p
[19:51:10] <domas>	=)
[19:51:12] <AaronSchulz>	domas: since when do features and edits have to be useful?
[19:51:19] <domas>	damn
[19:51:23] <domas>	I always believed they should :(
[19:51:24] *AaronSchulz 	wonders were domas gets these fucked up ideas from
[19:51:24] <brion>	Soxred93: what's the purpose of the millions of subpages? is there some other way this can be accomplished which does not fill up wikipedia's history archive?
[19:51:42] <Soxred93>	There is an extension for online/offline status
[19:51:49] <CIA-51>	03yaron * r35756 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Fix for getting only unique values for autocompletion
[19:51:52] <domas>	Soxred93: well, _THAT_ we noticed.
[19:52:09] <domas>	Soxred93: because it has 50k copies of 'offline'/'online' messages in our datastores. 
[19:52:19] <Soxred93>	50k?
[19:52:24] <domas>	50k!
[19:52:31] <Soxred93>	There are only a little over 500 pages
[19:52:37] <domas>	yeah, but you edit them
[19:52:38] <flyingparchment>	you edit each page more than once
[19:52:40] <domas>	all the time
[19:52:42] <flyingparchment>	we have to store the old revisions
[19:52:52] <Soxred93>	Ah
[19:53:15] <MZMcBride>	At least the pages could've been binary, 1s and 0s instead of the whole word... Not that that's the point.
[19:53:26] <domas>	MZMcBride: overhead is still much higher than that :)
[19:53:33] <MZMcBride>	Yeah.
[19:53:36] <Soxred93>	But then all the templates and userpages transcluding them would have to be changed
[19:53:48] <domas>	Soxred93: I have no problems with that ;-DDD
[19:53:51] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35757 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_Description.php: reduce unary conjunctions and disjunctions
[19:54:17] <Soxred93>	AWB time!
[19:54:20] <domas>	Soxred93: now you set ~4 rows for every edit
[19:54:28] <domas>	Soxred93: ergh, revisions
[19:54:36] <domas>	imagine if _every_ edit would have that cost
[19:54:38] <brion>	starting scap...
[19:54:42] <domas>	and we'd have 5x more revisions..
[19:54:53] <domas>	would that be meaningful use of resources?
[19:54:59] <MZMcBride>	And little benefit to the project as a whole.
[19:55:02] <Soxred93>	Argh, so I don't know what to do now
[19:55:05] <AaronSchulz>	domas: when do you think the BIGINT conversion will come?
[19:55:12] <AaronSchulz>	I was thinking about that a few days ago
[19:55:13] <domas>	Soxred93: very easy, disable. 
[19:55:19] <domas>	AaronSchulz: I was thinking too
[19:55:26] <domas>	AaronSchulz: wanna make everyone happy?
[19:55:30] <Soxred93>	:/
[19:55:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category usage counter seems broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14361  (10brion)
[19:55:41] <AaronSchulz>	domas: or just block new revisions :)
[19:55:41] <domas>	AaronSchulz: insert 2^32-1 to rev_id field in some code.
[19:55:53] <AaronSchulz>	I wonder what the SQL error will be
[19:55:59] <domas>	no, SQL error would not be
[19:56:07] <domas>	site r/o for few days would.
[19:56:36] <domas>	mmmm, maybe could fix in one day
[19:56:49] <AaronSchulz>	there are a lot of columns, heh
[19:56:54] <Soxred93>	Ok, I guess I'll put the inactive notice on my bot's talk page :'(
[19:57:20] <domas>	Soxred93: :( you can expose the data via some WebService!
[19:57:28] <domas>	=)
[19:57:45] <AaronSchulz>	domas: if only we had enablescarytranslusions ;)
[19:57:58] *AaronSchulz 	lols
[19:57:59] <Soxred93>	But that doesn't help with transcluding them on talk page
[19:58:04] <Soxred93>	s/talk/user
[19:58:13] <domas>	Soxred93: why should it?
[19:58:27] <domas>	Soxred93: look at every userpage that uses that feature
[19:58:32] <domas>	they look like some myspace pages
[19:58:35] <domas>	:)
[19:58:49] <crucially>	yawn
[19:58:58] <AaronSchulz>	domas: many users would find that offensive :)
[19:58:59] <domas>	and you know what? nobody cares about that status :)
[19:59:01] <AaronSchulz>	I say that from experience
[19:59:06] <domas>	AaronSchulz: that they're compared to myspace?
[19:59:09] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[19:59:29] <domas>	look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blofeld_of_SPECTRE
[19:59:39] <domas>	or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Editorofthewiki
[20:00:04] <AaronSchulz>	<!-- Served by srv89 in 2.003 secs. -->
[20:00:24] <AaronSchulz>	heh, I'd have thought it would have been worse
[20:00:27] <domas>	do those pages bring any value to community?
[20:00:32] <domas>	no, these were random pages I hit today
[20:00:35] <domas>	when investigating other issues
[20:00:49] <Soxred93>	Now what about [[User:Chris G Bot 3]]?
[20:01:01] <Soxred93>	That's also updating statuses
[20:01:03] <domas>	suggest him to disable it too ;-)
[20:01:06] <AaronSchulz>	domas: I now know a guy that has a crush on Shania Twain 
[20:01:16] <Soxred93>	Or have brion shut it down by force
[20:01:18] <AaronSchulz>	that has to have some value in some dimension
[20:01:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image missing all revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12804  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:01:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page counter is broken in new sites (sah, ext, kaa, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14380  (10danny_b)
[20:02:28] <domas>	AaronSchulz: who is Shania Twain?
[20:02:35] <AaronSchulz>	I don't know
[20:02:42] <AaronSchulz>	you can find it on his userpage
[20:02:45] <AaronSchulz>	a big picture
[20:02:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article count stands still - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14381  (10danny_b)
[20:02:50] <AaronSchulz>	should only take 30 min to find
[20:06:26] <msh210>	hi, all.
[20:06:36] <topitom>	hi all!
[20:07:09] <msh210>	Is there a way to see only page -creations- ("N" edits), either in RecentChanges or in Contributions ?
[20:07:19] <Soxred93>	Ok, SoxBot V shut down
[20:08:29] <topitom>	With mediawiki being set so only registered user with a confirm email address can edit
[20:08:47] <brion>	thx Soxred93 
[20:08:56] <Soxred93>	:/
[20:09:02] <topitom>	do I risk to have bots spaming my wiki?
[20:09:19] <Skizzerz>	that is always a risk, but shouldn't be much of an issue
[20:09:35] <MZMcBride>	topitom: You can always use a CAPTCHA.
[20:09:50] <Skizzerz>	you can use a captcha on account creation to help stave that off
[20:10:22] <topitom>	Skizzerz MZMcBride thx for your answer
[20:10:31] <msh210>	Is there a way to see only page -creations- ("N" edits), either in RecentChanges or in Contributions ?
[20:10:44] <Skizzerz>	but it would require a pretty well-programmed bot in order to be able to not only register, but also open up the email sent to them and follow the confirmation link
[20:11:23] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35758 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiEmailUser.php: Forgot to return success
[20:11:24] <Skizzerz>	msh210: i don't think so. Special:NewPages may help though :D
[20:11:35] <topitom>	OK without CAPTCHA I will have to expect bot coming each week or even less?
[20:12:33] <msh210>	Skizzerz, ah, thx, i didnt know about that special: page.  that -does- help.  thx again
[20:13:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some changing on Ukrainian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13854  (10Ahonc.ua)
[20:13:58] <msh210>	hm, another question... why are some edits on Special:NewPages highlighted in yellow background?
[20:15:35] <CIA-51>	03btongminh * r35759 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiEmailUser.php: ... and should have also made this an array
[20:18:00] <closer_>	hi guys
[20:18:37] <Splarka>	msh210: those are "unpatrolled"
[20:18:39] <closer_>	i have a few questions pertaining to mediawiki... just got it installed.  how do i assign individual users to different groups?  how am i able to see what group i am in?  how come i cannot see as an admin a "create content" button?  (i vaguely remember this in another version)
[20:18:54] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits
[20:20:27] <closer_>	ahhhh okay i answered one of my questions :)
[20:20:59] <MONK3000>	are there other ways to refresh teh timestamp for categories tahn running maintenance/refreshLinks.php?
[20:22:04] <Splarka>	closer_: Special:Userrights (though you need the userrights permission, default assigned to bureaucrats)
[20:22:19] <Splarka>	you can see your groups via Special:Listusers
[20:22:42] <closer_>	how do i assign my sysop account to the beauracrats group?
[20:22:57] <topitom>	another question if I may, is thre
[20:22:58] <Splarka>	are you sure you aren't a 'crat already?
[20:23:22] <topitom>	there a way to erase the history of the wiki
[20:23:38] <topitom>	before going in production 
[20:23:49] <topitom>	I d like it to be cleaner
[20:25:22] <msh210>	splarka oh ok thx
[20:25:29] <msh210>	bye
[20:25:46] <MZMcBride>	Would've been easier to say 'kthxbye.'
[20:26:45] <Splarka>	Would've been easier to say "They coulda said 'kthxbye.'"
[20:27:07] <Splarka>	Japanese way: "I see what you did and can do it a little smaller and cheaper"
[20:28:32] <MONK3000>	so is there another way to refresh the timestamp for categories (or all pages) rather then running maintenance/refreshLinks.php?
[20:32:37] <closer_>	how do i add my sysop user to the beauracrat group?
[20:32:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Category usage counter seems broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14361  +comment (10brion)
[20:33:20] <Duesentrieb>	closer_: the initial user should already be in that group. and i think the faq has more info
[20:33:33] <closer_>	will look
[20:36:42] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Don't watch user page when blocking was not sucessful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14367  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:50:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Rendering of indic scripts in Esperanto WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14371  +comment (10arno.raymond.lagrange)
[20:55:02] <MZMcBride>	Any objections to moving the ParserFunctions extension page to MW.org ?
[20:55:14] <VasilievVV>	No
[20:55:27] <flyingparchment>	yes!  i totally object!  why would anyone do that?!?
[20:56:11] <MZMcBride>	It's gonna be a bit messy to do...
[20:57:42] <Galiman>	I question about revision: is it possible to override (hook) reading of revision from the database ?
[21:02:56] <topitom>	Is there a way to clear the wiki history?
[21:03:23] <MinuteElectron>	There is a maintenance script.
[21:03:30] <MinuteElectron>	deleteOldRevisions.php I believe.
[21:04:07] <topitom>	thank you I look into that
[21:04:09] <MinuteElectron>	Or something with a similar name.
[21:04:36] <MONK3000>	think the Extension:DeleteOldRevision si obsolete then?
[21:05:00] <MinuteElectron>	Perhaps, it depends on its function; if it provides a GUI interface then it is not.
[21:05:14] <MONK3000>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialDeleteOldRevisions
[21:05:24] <MinuteElectron>	It is not obselete then.
[21:05:40] <MONK3000>	doesn't work in 1.12 anyway
[21:06:14] <Galiman>	nobody know how to modify data when some code is reading revision text? and vice versa for storing?
[21:06:41] <AaronSchulz>	there are no hooks for that
[21:06:46] <AaronSchulz>	and that would be an odd place for one
[21:07:29] <Simetrical>	There are ways to override it, though, right?
[21:07:30] <Galiman>	i dont think so..
[21:07:51] <Simetrical>	Or is stuff like external storage only in core, with no way for extensions to add similar stuff?
[21:08:03] <Galiman>	i need to store special data for older revisions.. but i need to handle them when events occurs.
[21:08:27] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: I don't know of any nice hooks there
[21:08:32] <AaronSchulz>	or any at all really
[21:08:38] <jimbojw>	what's the question?
[21:08:51] <Galiman>	i looked to revision.php and there is no hooks avalaible.
[21:08:58] <jimbojw>	been dealing with external storage lately - what's up?
[21:09:19] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: I wonder if Jimbo still has shell ? ;)
[21:09:33] <rdg>	should 1.12 run on php 5.2.6 ? I am getting a domdocument() expects 1 parameter but is being passed two error
[21:09:39] *jimbojw 	is Jim R. Wilson of jimbojw.com
[21:10:29] <rdg>	sorry, getting PHP Warning:  domdocument::domdocument() expects at least 1 parameter, 0 given in Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566
[21:10:55] <AaronSchulz>	I mean Jimbo Wales
[21:11:04] <rdg>	PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined method domdocument::loadXML() in Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 568
[21:11:16] <jimbojw>	ya, i know - just thought I'd get that out of the way before somebody asked me to change my nick ;)
[21:11:28] <AaronSchulz>	rdg: switch to using the old parser hash table
[21:11:29] <Dantman|afk>	rdg: DO you have the DOM module installed in PHP?
[21:11:33] <MONK3000>	maybe a stupid question but if my server has 512 MB RAM is it ok to set the php memory to 100 MB in LocalSettings ini_set( 'memory_limit', '100M' ); ? Don't have many users but it feels faster
[21:11:37] <AaronSchulz>	or install the module
[21:11:37] <Dantman|afk>	If not you should switch to the hash preprocessor
[21:11:57] <rdg>	hash preprocessor?
[21:12:17] <jimbojw>	Galiman: there are hooks which run after revision insertion as well as before - modifying what is sent back when retrieving revision text would probably be tough
[21:12:21] <jimbojw>	depends on your use case
[21:12:35] <Simetrical>	MONK3000, you probably don't want to.  That means every Apache server will take up 100 MB of RAM, AFAIK.
[21:12:36] <rdg>	I believe I have all of the XML modules for PHP installed for other projects. 
[21:12:43] <Galiman>	jimbojw: ok, and names of hooks can you provide?
[21:12:59] <MONK3000>	SIm: I only have one server. (?)
[21:12:59] <Simetrical>	MONK3000, you'll have to rely on the OS being smart about swapping, then.  Set your memory_limit as low as you can without getting OOM errors.
[21:13:33] <Simetrical>	MONK3000, yes, but whatever you're using (mod_php, FastCGI, whatever) will have multiple PHP processes running in parallel.  Each will allocate memory_limit of RAM for its own use.
[21:13:50] <Simetrical>	rdg, it could be they changed the interface randomly without telling anyone.  PHP likes to do things like that.
[21:13:52] <Simetrical>	!hash
[21:13:52] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "hash". You might try: !domdocument 
[21:13:58] <Simetrical>	!domdocument | rdg 
[21:13:58] --mwbot--	rdg: If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgParserConf> for details)
[21:14:14] <MONK3000>	ah ok that's i wanted to know if the limit is once for everything
[21:14:14] <Simetrical>	rdg, look at the second half of that for advice, change to the hash preprocessor.
[21:14:52] <rdg>	this happened when I changed from php 5.2.5 to 5.3.x because there's a simplexml memory leak and I was working with ~300mb of XML for another project.. I went back to the 5.2 (5.2.6) tree and this issue is still happening
[21:14:59] <jimbojw>	Galiman: if you're looking to do something immediately after a revision insertion, you'd use RevisionInsertComplete
[21:15:16] <Galiman>	thx jimbojw.
[21:15:40] <AaronSchulz>	lol, at least someone might use that hook then
[21:15:44] <Galiman>	i appreciated if some hook for reading revision would be avalaible.. but what so...
[21:16:05] <jimbojw>	Galiman: i don't understand your question
[21:16:21] <jimbojw>	AaronSchulz: yeah, we're using it - I actually backpatched it into our hacked 1.9.x codebase
[21:17:04] <Simetrical>	jimbojw, I think Galiman wants to override the default revision storage method.
[21:17:18] <jimbojw>	the "revision" storage method, or the "text" storage method?
[21:17:28] <Simetrical>	I have no idea.
[21:17:39] <jimbojw>	i see - revisions pretty much have to go in the revision table, but the text can be stored elsewhere
[21:17:52] <Galiman>	Simetrical:  something like you mean.. i want to play with text before save ...
[21:18:11] <jimbojw>	Galiman: if you want to play with it before save, then the hook you want is probably ArticleSave
[21:18:25] <jimbojw>	that's better than RevisionInsertComplete if I understand your use case
[21:18:55] <jimbojw>	ArticleSave gives you a chance to change the text before it gets written to the DB, and you can also use that hook to cancel the save if you like (for example if you were implementing a home-grown spam filter)
[21:19:20] <Simetrical>	Galiman, to do what specifically with it?
[21:19:29] <Galiman>	jimbojw: not .. i want to store extra data to older revision of Article, but when is read for some circumstances i need to delete such data.
[21:20:34] <Galiman>	Simetrical: i am creating extension but i want to make it possible to use revision system, and that way is most convient i think
[21:20:47] <jimbojw>	ok :/ - The easiest way may be to create an additional database table just for storing this "extra" information, keyed off the page_id and rev_id, just like the revision table, then control access to the table
[21:21:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  (10wiki.bugzilla)
[21:22:13] <Galiman>	hmm, yes, that is way.. but i am not sure if is good to use database for it.. (i dont need to access old revision regulary)
[21:23:21] <jimbojw>	AaronSchulz: RevisionInsertComplete is useful if you want to use an externalized text storage engine, but don't want to fully rely on it - that is, make a backup copy of revisions, and convert text rows to pointers later on.  Using $wgDefaultExternalStore makes you fully dependent on the availability of the external system
[21:27:17] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35760 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (17 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-06-02 23:23 CEST)
[21:29:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rendering of indic scripts in Esperanto WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14371  (10brion)
[21:33:36] <CIA-51>	03siebrand * r35761 10/trunk/extensions/ (14 files in 14 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-06-02 23:23 CEST)
[21:34:40] <Galiman>	what object type return wfGetDB?
[21:39:39] <MONK3000>	Got a google problem (note that i have hourly sitemaps created and working in google). the problem: i have Special:Newpages included on my Main Page. when i google an article title from e.g. 2 days ago (listed on main page), i have a good ranking but google only lists the main page which lists the article. why the hell is google not indexing the article (by following the link on main page) and why is not giving out the new index article from t
[21:40:43] <MONK3000>	looks like my main page has a higher ranking?
[21:48:17] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35762 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialMovepage.php): * (bug 14258, 14368) Fix for subpage renames in replication environments
[21:49:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Moving a page and its subpages to a subpage yields an extra move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14368  +comment (10brion)
[21:49:26] <Simetrical>	Oh, bleh.
[21:49:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Attempting to move with subpages to a namespace allowing subpages fails with DB error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14258  +comment (10brion)
[21:50:03] <^demon>	Anyone mind looking at the patch attached to bug 14367. Simple moving code down a few lines to fix a minor bug.
[21:50:55] <brion>	sec
[21:51:08] <Simetrical>	^demon, you should ask for commit access.
[21:51:34] <^demon>	Simetrical: I did awhile ago, Brion hasn't gotten to it yet.
[21:52:10] <brion>	:D sorry
[21:52:44] <^demon>	It's okies. Thought I would've been in that last round you announced a few weeks back :-P
[21:52:46] <Dantman|FS>	brion: I just remembered an old request I kinda need of you... Since you handle the release branches
[21:53:09] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35763 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialBlockip.php): 
[21:53:09] <CIA-51>	* (bug 14367) Failed block no longer adds phantom watchlist entry
[21:53:09] <CIA-51>	^demon's patch from https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=4945
[21:53:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Don't watch user page when blocking was not sucessful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14367  +comment (10brion)
[21:53:37] <Dantman|FS>	brion: CreateBox, DPLforum, and StringFunctions... Could I get their current state ported back into some of the old release branches?
[21:53:58] <brion>	^demon: i've got no sign of it, can you resend? sorry :(
[21:54:07] <^demon>	Sure thing.
[21:54:14] <^demon>	brion @ pobox, right?
[21:54:22] <brion>	^demon: better to send to brion@wikimedia.org
[21:54:33] <^demon>	Might've gotten lost then, I believe I sent to the former.
[21:54:33] <brion>	i don't usually hit my personal email from teh office these days
[21:55:10] <Dantman|FS>	They are meant to work with old versions of MW... but I want to clean them up to standards, but that'll break some compatibility with pre 1.11 releases they support... So it would be good to have them in old branches so people can checkout from there if they have a legacy version
[21:55:24] <^demon>	Nope, did send to WMF address, I'll send it again.
[21:56:37] <^demon>	Alrighty, resent.
[21:57:14] <brion>	tx
[21:57:24] <^demon>	np.
[21:58:31] <brion>	Dantman|FS: sure, go for it
[21:58:54] <Dantman|FS>	Mkay.... though... after I fix my e-mail screwup
[21:58:58] <Dantman|FS>	Damn pop3
[21:59:19] <brion>	pop3 is the devil...
[21:59:26] <Dantman|FS>	I sync my profile for my e-mail client onto a portable HD so I can bring everything with me
[21:59:32] <brion>	heh
[21:59:47] <brion>	i just use my iphone ;)
[21:59:47] <Dantman|FS>	Unfortunately... I forgot to sync when I got back home... and I started the client back up and got new messages...
[21:59:50] <Dantman|FS>	boom
[22:01:10] <brion>	oooooooh ouch
[22:01:14] <brion>	yeah that's what imap's for :)
[22:01:21] <Dantman|FS>	Mhmmm
[22:01:42] <brion>	now if i can just get decent network reception on the subway, my troubles will be over
[22:02:25] <Dantman|FS>	I managed to rescue most of it (everything except my sent e-mails) by appending a 2 to the name of all my folders... And syncing/merging the profiles so I get duplicate folders
[22:02:43] <Dantman|FS>	So now I have foo, and foo2 basically
[22:03:03] <Dantman|FS>	I just need to clear out the duplicate ones and get rid of the extra folders
[22:03:39] *^demon 	goes and reads the commit guide so he doesn't botch his first commit
[22:05:13] <AaronSchulz>	you will botch it anyway
[22:05:24] <AaronSchulz>	:p
[22:06:41] <Splarka>	what percent of first-time commits on svn.wm are not reverted, self-reverted, panic-updated, or otherwise fail?
[22:06:58] <tekmosis>	I have a couple wiki's on the same domain. I'm getting session errors, would this be caused by the MW cookie(s) being set to subdomain.domain.com rather than .domain.com?
[22:07:25] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: Even as simple as userinfo?
[22:07:27] <^demon>	Hehe
[22:10:03] <Dashiva>	Splarka: What if you just trim whitespace?
[22:11:08] <Simetrical>	Splarka, my first commit was panic-updated, I think.
[22:11:20] <Simetrical>	You have me to thank for Brion adding $wgStyleVersion!
[22:12:22] *Splarka 	snickers
[22:14:54] <CIA-51>	03demon * r35764 10/USERINFO/demon: Add my userinfo.
[22:17:09] <Alexfusco5>	^demon: You have shell access?
[22:17:33] <^demon>	Alxfusco5: SVN access, no shell
[22:17:40] <Alexfusco5>	oh
[22:18:15] <^demon>	I make a crappy sysadmin. Giving me shell access would be a Bad Thing.
[22:19:12] <tekmosis>	Trying to delete a page on my wiki and I get "You are about to delete a page along with all of its history. Please confirm that you intend to do this, that you understand the consequences" so...how do I confirm the delete? :|
[22:19:15] *Alexfusco5 	gives ^demon shell access to see what would happen :P
[22:19:26] <flyingparchment>	tekmosis: press button
[22:19:29] <Alexfusco5>	tekmosis: click delete
[22:19:50] <tekmosis>	keeps taking me back to the same page asking me to confirm; that's what I wasn't getting what I needed to confirm :S
[22:20:09] <^demon>	Alexfusco5: let's see....
[22:20:30] <Alexfusco5>	tekmosis: how many revisions
[22:20:33] <^demon>	demon@wikimedia # rm -fR /
[22:20:56] <Alexfusco5>	:O
[22:20:59] <tekmosis>	Alexfusco5, just one after the intial page creation
[22:21:14] <Splarka>	hmm
[22:21:34] <Splarka>	being returned to the delete page is usually the same error as "bad session" or "mangled token" as you see on edit pages
[22:22:23] <tekmosis>	odd, logging out and back in let me delete it.
[22:22:47] <Alexfusco5>	tekmosis: I mean the delete page button
[22:24:21] <Splarka>	just tested, editing the token by escaping \ to \\ on edit pages produces the corrupted token error, but on delete it just returns you to the delete form. Same for no token at all
[22:24:31] <Dantman|FS>	^demon: <System> Unknown parameter -R
[22:24:33] <Splarka>	perhaps slightly counter-intuitive ^_^
[22:25:31] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35765 10/USERINFO/demon: Set to eol-style:native like the others. Looks like you FAILED your first commit!
[22:25:57] <closer_>	04 01anyone have trouble with $wgAjaxSearch working ?
[22:26:13] <^demon>	Dantman|FS: -R, recursive?
[22:26:20] <AaronSchulz>	closer_: what's wrong?
[22:26:29] <closer_>	doesn't work :)
[22:26:43] <closer_>	i try searching with the first letter of an article/page and it doesn't pop out the dropdown
[22:26:52] <Dantman|FS>	^demon: Nope -r is recursive ;)
[22:26:55] <closer_>	i'm using iis, 2003, mysql, php5
[22:27:00] <Simetrical>	Dantman|FS, -R works too in GNU rm.
[22:27:07] <Dantman|FS>	hmmm...
[22:27:13] <Simetrical>	       -r, -R, --recursive
[22:27:13] <Simetrical>	              remove directories and their contents recursively
[22:27:19] <closer_>	i put this in my localsettings
[22:27:21] <closer_>	$wgUseAjax = true;
[22:27:21] <closer_>	$wgAjaxSearch = true;
[22:27:46] <Dantman|FS>	Eeeewww.... IIS
[22:27:51] <closer_>	i'm sorry :(
[22:27:55] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[22:27:59] <closer_>	:)
[22:28:24] <AaronSchulz>	closer_: $wgEnableMWSuggest
[22:28:24] <Simetrical>	^demon, you haven't set autoprops, I guess?
[22:29:13] <Dantman|FS>	closer_: AjaxSearch was a /feature/ that was royally screwed up last time I checked
[22:29:32] <Dantman|FS>	It's supposed to put up the search page using AJAX instead of a new page load
[22:29:49] <AaronSchulz>	closer_: set $wgEnableMWSuggest = true
[22:30:40] <closer_>	lol
[22:30:41] <closer_>	trying $wgEnableMWSuggest = true now
[22:31:21] <closer_>	#turn on ajax
[22:31:21] <closer_>	$wgUseAjax = true;
[22:31:21] <closer_>	$wgEnableMWSuggest = true;
[22:31:22] <closer_>	didn't work
[22:31:44] <AaronSchulz>	what version is this?
[22:31:55] <Dantman|FS>	Try clearing your cache first
[22:32:13] <Dantman|FS>	Some JS is changed so you'll need to reload that
[22:32:19] <^demon>	Simetrical: Yes I did. However, demon is not a recognized file extension :-P
[22:32:27] <Simetrical>	Heh.
[22:33:16] <^demon>	I probably should've just added that to the list in hindsight.
[22:33:21] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, viewvc's link parser seems lame
[22:33:22] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: You were right, blah.
[22:33:35] <AaronSchulz>	the link to demon's user page is broke
[22:34:24] <AaronSchulz>	ok, so anyone paying attention to the election?
[22:34:34] *Dantman|FS 	wonders why Wikimedia's ViewVC setup is using the ugly *docroot* instead of serving static files with a real webserver
[22:35:06] <closer_>	trying again wtih clean cache :)
[22:35:41] *AaronSchulz 	likes dirt caches
[22:35:46] <closer_>	argh
[22:35:48] <closer_>	no go :(
[22:36:02] <Dantman|FS>	btw: What do you guys think of my ViewVC template? http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/mediawiki-extensions/
[22:36:07] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: It is?
[22:36:15] <^demon>	(As in, the link is broken?)
[22:36:26] <AaronSchulz>	it links to User:
[22:36:32] <AaronSchulz>	the ^ seems to bork it
[22:36:57] <closer_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableMWSuggest
[22:36:58] <AaronSchulz>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/USERINFO/demon?revision=35765&view=markup&sortby=date
[22:36:59] <closer_>	i have 1.12
[22:37:24] <^demon>	Ah, I see. The php output is fine. Many things tend to break with my ^
[22:37:30] <Dantman|FS>	Then that's your issue closer_
[22:37:34] <closer_>	lol
[22:37:42] <closer_>	so no suggestions for the old feature then
[22:37:45] <Dantman|FS>	Search suggest is a new feature that hasn't been released yet
[22:37:46] <closer_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Search_Suggest
[22:37:48] <closer_>	i'll install that
[22:37:51] <Dantman|FS>	Mhmm
[22:37:54] <AaronSchulz>	mwsuggest is only in 1.13
[22:38:46] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: I've spent the many hours across various projects improving their username support over time...^ is not liked.
[22:40:06] <AaronSchulz>	I wonder how good a dev I will be in three years
[22:40:17] <AaronSchulz>	brion: how long have you been "deving"?
[22:40:36] <^demon>	In all likelyhood, ViewVC has a regex for URLs, and they don't escape all special chars, with ^ breaking it. Seen it all too often with my silly username :-P
[22:45:53] <brion>	since the days of atari basic
[22:52:05] *AaronSchulz 	feels like a noob
[22:53:54] <Alexfusco5>	brion: were you one of the original authors of mediawiki?
[22:55:44] <Duesentrieb>	he probably rewrote most of it by now :P
[22:56:07] <brion>	i've been working on wikipedia's software since before mediawiki existed :)
[22:56:50] <^demon>	brion: That begs the question, how did you find out about it so early?
[22:57:16] <brion>	iirc, somebody posted about eo.wikipedia.com in an esperanto newsgroup :)
[22:57:30] <brion>	so naturally, i had to add unicode support
[22:58:18] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question X_X
[22:58:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wrong number of "changes need review" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14382 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (raimond.spekking)
[23:00:15] <brion>	heh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question#Modern_usage_controversy
[23:00:28] <brion>	ooh even better - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless
[23:02:46] <DanielFriesen>	T_T disconnected and I miss a reply that should have been interesting
[23:02:58] <DanielFriesen>	mmm.... must have... IRC relay
[23:04:04] <Splarka>	what is fun in english is, in- can mean "not" *or* "in"
[23:04:18] <flyingparchment>	that material is not flammable, it's inflammable!
[23:04:19] <Splarka>	and so can the 3 variants, il-, im-, and ir-
[23:05:47] <brion>	he's not just famous... he's *in*famous!
[23:05:51] <^demon>	Ew. Ew ew. Who integrated all of the specialpages and simply bolded restricted ones?
[23:06:12] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_person_agreement_leveling  poor lolcats
[23:06:33] <flyingparchment>	^demon: the ones you _can't_ use are bolded?  what an odd choice
[23:07:17] <^demon>	No no, the ones that *are* restricted that *you* can access (formerly at bottom) are now with the rest, bolded.
[23:07:21] <AaronSchulz>	brion: I'm gonna stab at that bug
[23:07:22] <^demon>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
[23:08:20] <Alexfusco5>	^demon: whats wrong with Special:SpecialPages
[23:08:22] <Splarka>	conversely, bolding unclickable has precidence, like a page's link on itself... though those shouldn't be <a> then, heh
[23:09:00] <^demon>	Alexfusco5: I just find the moving of the restricted ones from the bottom to being interspersed less-than-appealing to the end-user.
[23:09:22] <brion>	:D
[23:09:32] <brion>	^demon: i'm undecided on that one
[23:09:38] <brion>	it has pluses and minuses
[23:09:50] <Splarka>	how about indenting them? or giving them a little star instead of bullet.gif
[23:10:02] <^demon>	I liked the grouping as opposed to one big list, that was good. I liked having the special-permission-only ones at the bottom. Guess I was used to it.
[23:10:02] <flyingparchment>	^demon: i disagree.  i can't rename users or edit their rights on en, but they're still bolded
[23:10:06] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Rendering of indic scripts in Esperanto WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14371  +comment (10arno.raymond.lagrange)
[23:10:18] <Alexfusco5>	Splarka: I think keeping them at the bottom is better
[23:10:52] <AaronSchulz>	I like them being mixed
[23:11:19] *Splarka 	smells preference ^_^
[23:11:30] <flyingparchment>	^demon: it seems that all restricted pages are simply bolded
[23:11:34] <Splarka>	and anonymous users can't access any restricted special pages, so as a preference it works fine <3
[23:11:35] <flyingparchment>	(including the ones you can't use)
[23:11:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong number of "changes need review" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14382  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:11:40] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: maybe a preference
[23:11:45] <Alexfusco5>	Splarka: wrong :P
[23:11:46] <AaronSchulz>	noooooo
[23:12:05] <Raymond_>	AaronSchulz: some missing messages, see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Einkaufszentrum_in_Deutschland in the subtitle
[23:12:08] <Alexfusco5>	anons can see the bolded link to Special:MergeAccount
[23:12:25] <Splarka>	well, I'm not wrong, that is
[23:12:29] <Splarka>	what is the point in letting them see that?
[23:13:18] <Splarka>	if they have any use for it, then it isn't restricted! simply divergent
[23:13:26] <Splarka>	like userrights
[23:17:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong number of "changes need review" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14382  (10raimond.spekking)
[23:24:45] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35766 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.class.php): 
[23:24:45] <CIA-51>	* Load messages when needed in some places
[23:24:45] <CIA-51>	* Should be getLatest()
[23:25:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wrong number of "changes need review" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14382  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:25:11] <AaronSchulz>	brion: can you scap?
[23:25:52] <DanielFriesen>	The bold was a way to keep the identification of restricted pages... The best way to identify what is what is up for discussion
[23:26:41] <DanielFriesen>	But I was attempting to actually group pages which are grouped together, rather than duplicaing groups just because one or two of the pages in a group is restricted for people not in the same groups as the current user
[23:27:33] <DanielFriesen>	Splarka: Hmm... that star idea is an interesting proposal
[23:28:17] <DanielFriesen>	Splarka: Care to find a Freely licensed one we can stick in /skins/common?
[23:28:34] <flyingparchment>	there are loads of free icons on commons
[23:28:37] <flyingparchment>	just ard to find ;)
[23:29:00] <Splarka>	I made some for Wikia for the main page, heh
[23:29:06] <Splarka>	(which is where I got the idea)
[23:29:17] <Splarka>	but try something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Stars
[23:29:45] <brion>	AaronSchulz: moment
[23:29:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global (SUL) account requires local cookie to login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14383 major; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (codemonk)
[23:30:09] <DanielFriesen>	And now, steping away from the development world into the community world...
[23:30:28] <DanielFriesen>	http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/NaruHina T_T Ooooohhh god...... I think it's time for a title blacklist on that one
[23:30:46] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_icons
[23:31:51] <Splarka>	thought you may want one with 8 bit transparency, to support IE6--
[23:35:34] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/QS_blue_star_small.png
[23:37:42] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Global (SUL) account requires local cookie to login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14383  +comment (10brion)
[23:37:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck misses obscure case when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347  +comment (10brion)
[23:59:16] <DanielFriesen>	Fun... I'm going to have to merge changes into my mediawiki-skins repo again after this
[23:59:50] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35767 10/trunk/extensions/UniversalEditButton/ (. UniversalEditButton.php): boo-yah