[00:01:48] heh... [00:06:07] I'm on windows using wampserver, I managed to compile texvc, texvc runs ok on the command line (althought does nothing), but it keeps saying that texvc can't b found... is that documented somehwere ? [00:07:42] how do I check it's on dvips, latex, convert, all of them on path [00:08:08] hi. what is the CSS class for the regular text that appears on a wiki? [00:08:11] under monobook? [00:08:39] brion: Adding a icon into /skins/common/images where should I note the licence for the image? it's GFDL [00:10:10] <^demon|food> brion: What if I said there was a bot lined up on enwiki to add about 2 million articles? [00:10:47] are they good articles or evil articles :D [00:10:50] what i'm asking is what's the #bodycontent default value [00:10:57] demon: tim already said it's not a technical problem, just a stupid idea [00:11:13] <^demon> brion: Rambott redux? [00:11:28] <^demon> flyingparchment: Hadn't seen Tim's input. People were asking about it. Thought I'd get input :-P [00:13:29] DanielFriesen: dunno.... maybe add a readme or sth [00:13:46] although some would say a gfdl image requires that you paste the text of gfdl into every web page that uses it ;) [00:13:51] <^demon> brion: So tell people who are asking what Tim said? Not bad technically, just stupid? [00:14:04] ^demon: why don't you ask tim? ;) [00:14:24] <^demon> flyingparchment: Hadn't looked at the userlist to see if he was here. [00:14:54] <^demon> TimStarling: Very stupid idea yes. But no reason to restrict it? [00:16:15] 03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck misses obscure case when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347 (10codemonk) [00:16:49] I think you're making some assumptions there [00:17:50] <^demon> Such as? [00:18:08] you're assuming that being a stupid idea is not a reason to restrict it [00:18:48] <^demon> Stupid ideas need restricting as well yes. [00:19:06] <^demon> I was referring to technical reasons to restrict it. [00:20:26] obviously storing 4 million articles is going to take more hard drive space than storing 2 million [00:20:45] can we afford that space? yes [00:20:51] <^demon> That's my question. [00:21:00] is that a wise use of our resources? well that's a question of the value of the content [00:22:00] we could store 50GB of star wars fancruft if we wanted to... [00:22:08] Just 50 GB? [00:22:10] the question is whether it's a good use of wikimedia resources [00:22:25] <^demon> I say no, but that's just my opinion. [00:22:43] so why are you here? are you looking for ammunition? [00:23:50] <^demon> Just talking about the situation in general with some people, and someone brought up the issue of server resources. I thought I'd get an answer from someone who knows. [00:26:24] hey all - someone want to help me troubleshoot a problem with the TitleMoveComplete hook? I wrote an extension that used to work with 1.10, but isn't working on 1.12: http://rafb.net/p/S2kvNy16.html [00:33:30] I've tried rewriting my extension to use the SpecialMovepageAfterMove hook as well -- still no dice [00:35:07] maybe it's the echo output that's being lost, rather than the hook not being called [00:35:07] 03emiller * r35768 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Google Maps Extension: localization and paths (max 1 per map) for static maps. Relax the parser to deal with whitespace better. [00:35:44] that was just some debugging i threw in there...It was previously doing a wgOut [00:39:59] either way, if it does a redirect afterwards, it could be lost [00:40:48] Oh i see what you're saying Tim. Let me give it a shot writing it to a debugging logfile, and see if i can figure out what's up. Still weird though that it worked in 1.10 [00:40:58] thanks for taking a look [00:55:01] 03(mod) SpecialUserlogin:: onCookieRedirectCheck misses obscure case when using CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14347 minor->normal (10Wiki.Melancholie) [00:57:00] 03dantman * r35769 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/ (images/COPYING images/bullet_star.gif shared.css): [00:57:00] Cleaning out old comments and changing display of restricted pages. [00:57:00] Splarka suggested marking restricted pages with a star bullet rather than bolding them. [01:06:18] ack! [01:06:34] *Splarka releases his suggestions under PD so he doesn't have to be credited, nyah [01:06:41] (aka, blamed) [01:07:28] :-) [01:17:51] <|Cobi|> How would I get a users last contrib metadata (specifically the timestamp) from an extension? [01:18:27] |Cobi|, database query, probably. [01:18:30] Doubt there's a method for that [01:18:30] . [01:29:18] find out what the API does [01:29:24] or even better, |Cobi|, call the API ^_^ [01:29:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=usercontribs&uclimit=1&ucuser=Splarka [01:37:26] morning. [01:37:54] ^demon: Ping. [01:39:08] it would be nice to have some more control over table of contents listings. for example i have a page where i have a toc, but its rather too big. ideally id like to exclude the lowest heading level from the contents. my only way to achieve this was to convert the lowest headings to '''strong''' instead, however i would prefer them as headings (as they are heading) [01:39:20] unless ive missed some config options [01:40:50] <|Cobi|> Splarka: Call the API from an extension? [01:41:45] <^demon> MZMcBride: Pong. [01:42:14] I was the one who put a notice in the watchlist. The bot isn't going to be creating 2 million articles anymore, as far as I know. [01:42:25] The bot op was incredibly flexible. [01:42:54] <^demon> MZMcBride: I see I see. [01:43:53] Buzz_: this is easy to do visually with CSS [01:44:32] see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css at "Allow limiting of which header levels are shown in a TOC" [01:44:43] 03dantman * r35770 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak system message to fit better. [01:44:59] Splarka: but not on a page per page basis ? [01:45:13] that is for page per page [01:45:45]
__TOC__
for example will only allow a depth of 3 [01:45:53] i mean. i want to limit headers on one specific page, or when the contents becomes a certain length [01:45:56] aah i see [01:45:58] sorry [01:46:04] now i understand [01:46:12] which equates to

[01:46:12] perfect [01:46:27] that's what i want. .. yeh. :) [01:46:29] they aren't descendants in the document, but the TOC ul/li are [01:47:05] also, you could use __NOTOC__ and make your own table of contents (not dynamically flexible though) [01:47:13] yeh. [01:47:43] |Cobi|: well, maybe not literally, but see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain maybe [01:48:00] 03(mod) Allow Special: FileDuplicateSearch to match against previously deleted images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14171 (10wiki) [01:48:13] function prepareQuery() etc [01:48:41] 03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595 (10wiki) [01:49:46] <|Cobi|> Does Database::selectField escape arguments passed to it? Or do I need to do it? [01:51:03] |Cobi|, depends how you pass them. Copy examples from other code and modify to suit. [01:51:09] Or else read through the code, your choice. [01:51:19] Or post it and ask in the specific case. [01:54:12] DanielFriesen (you're dantman, right?), why can't you ask the Commons uploader to dual-license under GPL? [01:55:36] Meh... why don't you? [01:55:50] I'm just adding a feature [01:56:47] why doesn't this work? [01:56:49] Honestly, for a stupid little image like that, you should BSD it. [01:57:09] DanielFriesen, surely display: list-item is redundant in your commit. [01:57:19] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3AWatchthis [01:57:27] and try to edit a page: [01:57:32] That was for the old message [01:57:37] http://arms.x10hosting.com/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=edit [01:57:44] Remember the Highlighted [01:57:56] The display mode was to make that actually display the icon [01:58:00] editing is restricted to logged in users -- use username "test", no password [01:58:07] <|Cobi|> $db->selectField( ..., 'rev_timestamp', array( 'rev_user_text' => $s ), __METHOD__, array( 'ORDER_BY' => 'rev_timestamp', 'LIMIT' => 1 ) ); [01:58:08] However, I recently changed that message to use a li [01:58:16] <|Cobi|> Does $s need to be escaped in that case? [01:58:34] no [02:00:06] |Cobi|, no, it will be auto-escaped in that case. [02:00:39] <|Cobi|> Ok, thanks :) [02:01:36] 03(mod) Talk pages of subpages are not moved if the top-level page has no talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:11:38] *DanielFriesen goes off to investigate the thought of another gag extension... entitled... sudo [02:12:49] wish a kind soul would examine my miserable pudknocker issue [02:16:28] 03(NEW) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Winbots) [02:24:47] *DanielFriesen snickers at the potential code [02:25:06] pleeese? [02:25:30] *DanielFriesen doesn't even know what pudknocker is [02:26:03] um, monkey choker [02:26:09] clueless luser [02:26:23] i did link my issue above [02:26:24] again? [02:26:31] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3AWatchthis [02:26:37] http://arms.x10hosting.com/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=edit [02:26:44] editing is restricted to logged in users -- use username "test", no password [02:27:43] have got jldupont's SecureHTML installed, see [[Special:Version]] [02:28:14] what's the issue now? [02:28:34] please see those two pages; i think it will leap out at you [02:28:52] user interface rendering issue [02:29:39] Watch [02:29:43] no good [02:30:04] oddly enough, in this case, if i use wikitext, that's parsed and rendered okay [02:30:27] Eeew... raw html [02:30:47] but the same interface page -- [[MediaWiki:Watchthis]] -- is used to make a checkbox on the Move [02:31:05] and there, it *doesn't* parse and the wikitext is shown instead [02:31:13] so, i thought i'd try html [02:31:27] and with jldupont's extension, should work eh? [02:31:50] i will accept a nasty hack solution :) [02:32:14] you could just enable raw html... [02:32:18] no no [02:32:21] dangerous [02:32:36] about as dangerous as jldupont's extension [02:32:44] SecureHTML is supposed to allow that only on protected pages [02:33:05] undocumented hole? [02:33:17] "nasty hack"... javascript too nasty? ^_^ [02:33:29] i really avoid JS [02:33:46] i'd rather just edit the php file and put the html in directly [02:34:14] but it really annoys me that i can't get the interface text to render properly [02:34:42] this is like another issue i had, with [[Mediawiki:Gotaccount]] [02:35:05] and what is driving me crazy is that i asked for help here, did what was suggested, and now i can't remember what that was [02:35:16] log out and try to create an account [02:35:32] all that text there is in HTML because wikimarkup won't be parsed there [02:36:06] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Gotaccount [02:36:42] <|404NoTFounD|> Xiong [02:36:48] yes? [02:36:55] <|404NoTFounD|> fied your wiki [02:36:57] was that you? [02:36:57] <|404NoTFounD|> fixed [02:37:01] <|404NoTFounD|> ya [02:37:03] <|404NoTFounD|> :p [02:37:25] that was a couple weeks ago [02:37:27] <|404NoTFounD|> aded a group and prfix management ext to [02:37:37] <|404NoTFounD|> dam keyboard [02:37:50] i remember you helped, don't remember on what [02:38:23] <|404NoTFounD|> i is Osiris2020 [02:38:30] <|404NoTFounD|> your host [02:38:34] ah [02:38:36] no offense [02:38:38] <|404NoTFounD|> http://moronicgaming.com/wiki/arms/wiki/Main_Page [02:38:44] <|404NoTFounD|> its kay [02:38:47] but i set up on x10 [02:39:15] more horsepower, less lag -- us based [02:39:15] <|404NoTFounD|> oh? [02:39:15] <|404NoTFounD|> sorry about the long response time [02:39:34] np, i just keep hacking around [02:39:41] <|404NoTFounD|> ah [02:39:45] <|404NoTFounD|> new url? [02:39:48] each time i install MW, i make fewer mistakes [02:39:54] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [02:39:59] do you want to see the current issue? [02:40:07] http://arms.x10hosting.com/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=edit [02:40:12] <|404NoTFounD|> im stil waiting for MW to be put in Fantastico [02:40:17] must be logged in to edit [02:40:27] use username "test", no password [02:41:50] <|404NoTFounD|> i signed up [02:42:14] <|404NoTFounD|> whats the Problem? [02:42:19] Eeeeww.... not Fantastico [02:42:27] no digits in usernames, please! [02:42:37] <|404NoTFounD|> oh [02:42:48] try again [02:43:36] <|404NoTFounD|> Done [02:43:44] cool [02:43:48] http://arms.x10hosting.com/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=edit [02:46:52] so, you see the problem [02:47:20] that html in the edit interface is from [[MediaWiki:Watchthis]] [02:47:36] if i write that MW page in wikitext, it parses okay [02:48:16] but [[MediaWiki:Watchthis]] is *also* used in the Delete "Somepage" page [02:48:29] ... there's a similar checkbox [02:48:38] and there, the wikitext is *not* parsed [02:48:42] so, i tried html [02:48:49] and that isn't rendered on either page [02:49:08] and i installed jldupont's SecureHTML extension and that didn't fix it [02:49:37] <|404NoTFounD|> hmm [02:49:42] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:50:48] <|404NoTFounD|> <html><a href="/wiki/Help:Watch" title="Help:Watch">Watch</a></html> [02:50:52] <|404NoTFounD|> is the code i get [02:51:00] yah [02:51:03] see this [02:51:04] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/Meta%3ASandbox2a [02:51:17] quite properly, the html is escaped, not rendered [02:51:43] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [02:51:52] <|404NoTFounD|> do you hae ftp? [02:51:52] now i'm protecting that page [02:52:09] ... and it still doesn't work [02:52:10] <|404NoTFounD|> ok [02:52:11] but [02:52:24] <|404NoTFounD|> let me edit it? [02:52:28] according to docs, i must add actual tags [02:53:12] <|404NoTFounD|> edit perms? [02:53:25] it works fine [02:53:28] see [02:53:35] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/Meta%3ASandbox2a [02:54:01] now that the page is protected and the html is enclosed in tags, it renders; it's not escaped [02:54:04] <|404NoTFounD|> thats not the want to do it in the code [02:54:10] the extension is working properly [02:54:31] the point being, all MW: pages are protected by default [02:54:54] so i figure i should be able to mix html in, there [02:55:06] <|404NoTFounD|> http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/Meta:Sandbox2b [02:55:07] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3AWatchthis [02:55:16] Brion and domas, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soxred93#SoxBot_V [02:55:16] and indeed, there it shows up fine [02:55:17] <|404NoTFounD|> use that code next to the button [02:55:52] well, that's what is there, now [02:55:56] see? [02:55:56] <|404NoTFounD|> :/ [02:56:06] it renders okay on its own page [02:56:20] but it's escaped when it's transcluded in the interface in actual editing [02:56:34] i suspect, because the *editing* page is not protected [02:56:52] doesn't help when i edit a protected page, either [02:57:06] the concept of the editing metapage being protected doesn't exist [02:57:18] well [02:57:24] <|404NoTFounD|> :/ [02:57:26] nobody has come up with an answer [02:57:59] if i revert [[MediaWiki:Watchthis]] to wikimarkup, then it works okay in the regular editing interface [02:58:11] which is where it counts [02:58:16] <|404NoTFounD|> hmm [02:58:51] see this now: [02:58:53] http://arms.x10hosting.com/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=submit [02:59:00] well [02:59:21] http://arms.x10hosting.com/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=edit [02:59:23] better [02:59:30] now it's okay [02:59:42] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [02:59:50] trouble is, that exact same MW page is also used in other places where wikimarkup doesn't parse [03:00:08] when i try to delete or protect a page, i get the same "watch" checkbox [03:00:32] but next to the checkbox, the wikimarkup raw, not rendered [03:00:37] now i think, i don't give a damn [03:00:55] anybody with privs to delete or protect a page can live with it [03:01:09] and doesn't need a link to a page explaining what a watchlist is [03:01:22] it's just a little bit.. shoddy [03:01:39] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [03:02:00] well, stuff it [03:02:08] i've wasted enough time on this, mine and yours [03:02:14] and others on chan [03:02:15] sorry [03:02:40] basically, i have the whole editing interface linked to help pages, that's more than good enough [03:03:17] -- new question -- [03:03:23] is there any way to delete a user? [03:03:28] not block, delete [03:04:42] <|404NoTFounD|> urr [03:04:45] <|404NoTFounD|> should be [03:06:35] stupid svn [03:06:43] <|404NoTFounD|> i cant upload a .svg [03:07:10] to ARMS? [03:07:45] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [03:07:51] <|404NoTFounD|> dw bout it now [03:07:55] well, two reasons [03:08:11] 03(mod) password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330 +comment (10cometstyles) [03:08:15] one, i'm prejudiced against svg, since i can't work with that format on my machine [03:08:29] two, wouldn't work anyhow; this install uses GD, not imagemagick [03:09:07] <|404NoTFounD|> ok [03:09:15] note that ARMS is not the right place for most jpgs, either [03:09:19] use flickr instead [03:09:50] <|404NoTFounD|> kk [03:09:51] i'm stopping short of putting down a flat rule against local storage of jpgs but i strongly discourage [03:09:59] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [03:10:00] the flickr interface is very cool [03:10:04] <|404NoTFounD|> :/ [03:10:13] <|404NoTFounD|> 4[Xiong4] join #ARMS? [03:10:20] and model railroaders like to take hundreds if not thousands of photos of their stuff [03:10:42] dude, you wrote that in yellow [03:10:42] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [03:10:46] <|404NoTFounD|> O.o [03:10:48] can't read it at all [03:10:53] <|404NoTFounD|> dumb script [03:11:49] <|404NoTFounD|> [4Xiong] join #ARMS? [03:13:26] <|404NoTFounD|> better? [03:14:55] no [03:14:56] <|404NoTFounD|> garr [03:14:56] but i pasted it into a scratch window [03:14:56] <|404NoTFounD|> ah [03:14:56] <|404NoTFounD|> i dont know whats wrong witrh it [03:14:56] ow my eyes [03:15:44] mine too :S [03:17:04] of all the not-very-strong methods of controlling access to portions of a wiki, which is the most robust? [03:17:16] note that i don't ask, which is the strongest security [03:17:31] i fully understand it's in the nature of a closed door, not a locked one [03:18:16] define "access" [03:18:51] <|404NoTFounD|> hmm [03:19:03] my wiki is publicly readable but only logged in users can edit [03:19:09] <|404NoTFounD|> do you mean not being able to see certain pages? [03:19:16] i would like a namespace that is not publicly readable [03:19:26] actually, two [03:19:29] <|404NoTFounD|> ah [03:19:40] and i'm under no illusion that this is truly private [03:19:51] would the two be readable by anyone that can edit? [03:20:38] yes, that's fine [03:20:48] i only want anons not to see [03:21:04] and if they try real hard or somebody does sth cute, like transclusion, that's fine [03:21:10] a closed door, not a locked one [03:21:23] <|404NoTFounD|> ah [03:21:30] (this is how i think Project: should have been set up on WP) [03:21:37] <|404NoTFounD|> i have soething like that on the old wiki [03:21:46] note that that is close to having [read] access completely restricted [03:21:59] ? [03:22:00] anyone that can edit one of the whitelisted pages can transclude a non-whitelisted page to it and allow public leakage [03:22:10] (eg, the main page) [03:22:23] yes, this is not security at all [03:22:42] merely the politeness of discussing internal business behind a closed door [03:23:06] have you read through http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions ? [03:23:15] yes [03:23:38] the concern is ppl who think they're going to secure credit card numbers on their otherwise public wiki [03:23:39] the main trouble is when you try to restrict access to some pages, to other editors (but there are other problems) [03:23:41] idiots [03:23:49] <|404NoTFounD|> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Prefix_Security [03:24:24] for example, you probably will have to disable rss feeds, xml exports and dumps, search, the ability of anon users to diff or check recent changes, the API, etc.. [03:24:49] ^_^ And now in the world of undoing security measures... I'm making a Sudo extension ;) rotfl [03:25:04] no no, none of that [03:25:08] you're plugging leaks [03:25:11] unnecessary [03:25:17] you don't care about leaks? [03:25:28] i said, this is not about security [03:25:31] fair [03:25:36] do you ever watch japanese theater? [03:25:47] the stagehands move props openly, with the curtain up [03:25:57] but they wear black and you're not supposed to see them [03:26:00] Noh I don't [03:26:07] ha ha [03:26:34] or in a more western vein, at a formal dinner, nobody hears the hostess when she farts [03:26:46] <|404NoTFounD|> ah [03:26:48] <|404NoTFounD|> lul [03:26:50] this wiki has a Shop: namespace [03:27:02] stuff that is not ready to be shown to the public will be worked on there [03:27:18] if the public is nosy, well, fine, let them see [03:27:29] nothing to hide -- but, nothing to see here, move along [03:27:35] <|404NoTFounD|> indeed [03:28:00] well, try out the various namespace extensions [03:28:21] hmm, you might even be able to do that in core now... (not officially advised of course) [03:28:33] <|404NoTFounD|> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Prefix_Security [03:28:41] <|404NoTFounD|> try that [03:28:56] <|404NoTFounD|> its installed in the old wiki if you want to see [03:29:04] after all, account creation is not restricted, so the easiest way to see what we're doing behind closed doors is simply to join up and look [03:29:13] no need for elaborate techniques [03:30:26] well, one like of javascript could do that ^_^ [03:30:28] *Splarka hides [03:30:32] *line [03:30:32] *Xiong looks [03:32:09] addOnloadHook(function() { if(wgNamespaceNumber == 100 && !wgUserName) document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].style.display = 'none'; }) [03:32:53] or in 1.13: [03:33:18] if(wgNamespaceNumber == 100 && !wgUserName) appendCSS('body {display:none !important;}) [03:37:25] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10soxred93) [03:44:33] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10Winbots) [03:57:06] 03shinjiman * r35771 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [04:22:15] 03(NEW) "Move subpages" option attempts to move to invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14385 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mrzmanwiki) [04:49:18] 03(mod) Attempting to move with subpages to a namespace allowing subpages fails with DB error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14258 (10nospam) [04:58:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Internal_error [04:58:40] 03(mod) Moving user subpages is not rate limited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14356 +comment (10nospam) [04:58:55] 03(NEW) "Move subpages" option moves pages into wrong namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14386 major; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (mrzmanwiki) [04:59:37] 03(mod) password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330 +comment (10titoxd.wikimedia) [05:37:05] 03siebrand * r35772 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Reduce HTML in 'specialpages-note' [05:38:16] 03siebrand * r35773 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Also remove leftover "" from previous commit [05:48:24] I'm trying to add some buttons to my instance of mediawiki... I found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add_more_buttons_on_the_edit_page.3F , but I can't find a file called "Common.js" in my install directory [05:48:30] any tips? [05:49:59] shepazu: type MediaWiki:Common.js into the search box, hit Go [05:51:06] I've already searched for the string, to no avail [05:51:31] Werdna, do you know what directory it normally resides in? [05:51:33] shepazu: it is a wiki page name, not a file [05:51:38] you will not find it in any directory [05:51:43] ahhhhhh [05:51:49] I see [05:51:50] thanks [05:51:54] see Special:Allmessages [06:03:20] 03(NEW) Code to insert a jump back to the top of the web page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14387 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (stephen_salem) [06:04:21] 03(NEW) Code to insert a jump back to the top of the web page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14388 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (stephen_salem) [06:06:23] 14(DUP) Code to insert a jump back to the top of the web page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14387 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:06:30] 03(mod) Return to top links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:06:40] 14(DUP) Code to insert a jump back to the top of the web page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14388 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:06:47] 03(mod) Return to top links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 (10raimond.spekking) [06:08:03] 03shinjiman * r35774 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [06:26:04] 03emiller * r35775 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/ (EditorsMap.js GoogleMaps.php): Google Maps Extension: increment version to 0.9.4a, put whitespace change into EditorsMap.js [06:37:23] hmmm... I followed the directions to add a new button, but no joy, even after clearing the browser cache (I used the instructions on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add_more_buttons_on_the_edit_page.3F ) [06:39:59] you're trying to add macros to the edit toolbar, right? [06:40:33] http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Custom_edit_buttons might help too [06:41:14] thanks [06:46:08] hello [06:46:48] is it possible to change the position of the edit link? i'm running mediawiki 1.7 and search for a solution since 2 days [06:46:54] please help [06:47:59] where do you want to move it to? [06:48:14] next to the topic [06:48:21] just like it is in the german wikipedia [06:48:24] "topic" ? [06:48:28] sorry [06:48:31] you mean the section edit link? [06:48:34] yes [06:48:42] not for the whole page [06:48:51] that is done simply with CSS I believe [06:49:06] in the monobook css files? [06:49:41] sorry i never worked with css [06:49:43] :) [06:50:43] oop, they do it with javascript, but that's silly [06:51:12] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js [06:51:34] i found this too [06:51:52] but i think this is only for the current user [06:52:29] or? [06:53:14] if you put it in the site-wide CSS then it is for all users [06:55:09] Hello [06:57:21] I wanted to know, if I build an import xml file with just the name of files which are already in the wiki repository but not in the wiki database, will that work? [06:58:14] hey sorry irc timed out [06:58:32] i tried to open the MOnobook.js on my wiki but it didn't work [06:58:46] i don't get the page in the example [06:59:22] I mean, if I make an export of a Image:* page, there are trow , on for page, and the other for revision [06:59:47] -trow +two [07:00:44] Do I have to create db entry first? [07:07:00] hey [07:09:34] Are there any official skins/themes? [07:48:35] hi there, do you know if we can get the message files from wikipedia somewhere (I would like the french internationalization file) ? [07:48:53] wikipedia or mediawiki? [07:49:20] mediawiki would do but wikipedia would be better [07:49:28] why? [07:49:57] do you want just french translations of messages or the customisation used in French wikipedia? [07:50:19] yeah i suppose the french translation message would be better [07:50:30] i dont know why i was thinking wikipedia! :p [07:50:40] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Allmessages for French Wikipedia, http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php for MediaWiki [07:51:04] but really, mediawiki is shipped with all the translations.. isn't that good enough? [07:51:19] 03mkroetzsch * r35776 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore2.php SMW_SQLStore2_Queries.php): [07:51:19] split new SQL store implementation into basic functions and query engine for better maintenance and reduced [07:51:19] average load time [07:52:18] ierpe: or are you planning to do some processing on the messages itself, instead using them for mediawiki? [07:53:07] i am french and i have to do the translation of the wiki im working on [07:53:28] but i suppose most of the messages are already in the french file [07:53:28] uh? [07:53:38] which version of mediawiki? [07:53:44] but some messages have been added to it [07:53:48] 1.10 [07:53:58] so i'll have to add some stuff on it [07:54:01] uh.. [07:54:10] why uh.. ? [07:54:12] if he's getting paid, don't put him out of a job, or the union goons'll break your knees [07:54:19] hehe [07:54:20] fr localisation for 1.10 is 95% done [07:54:25] ok [07:54:31] thats great! ^^ [07:54:45] so they can think i worked for it! ^^ [07:54:58] but you should consider using 1.12 if possible.. [07:55:16] argh [07:55:17] with language pack it's almost 100% done [07:55:19] i know [07:55:35] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Statistics [07:55:53] but i just joined the project and the developers before me modified the core of the 1.10 and its gonna be a nightmare to merge into a 1.12 [07:56:02] hehe [07:56:32] also, there is nice Translate extension for translating trough mediawiki itself, but I think it doesn't work with 1.10 [07:57:17] :/ [07:57:46] ok and where can i download the frencj message php file? [07:57:55] french* [07:57:59] for mediawiki [07:58:32] ierpe: as I said mediawiki should have all translations by default.. unless someone removed them [07:58:46] yeah they did [07:58:50] a ok [07:58:57] so if i download a 1.10 [07:59:02] it will be in right? [07:59:18] yes [07:59:25] ok! :p [07:59:28] sorry about that [08:02:12] hmm [08:02:19] I don't like that start thing [08:11:02] 03(mod) FlaggedRevs in pt.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14254 (10morggan.hadriam) [08:12:20] 03jojo * r35777 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix [08:38:55] <_wooz> lo [08:43:19] 03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article or image paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 (10Turelio001) [08:45:40] hi [08:45:54] How can i add a new page in mediawiki [08:46:47] did you try to do that befora askig a question ? [08:46:52] before* [08:47:03] asking * [08:47:15] I am not seeing any link like "create " [08:47:34] type a name of a page in search box and hit enter [08:47:39] ok [08:47:59] and you'll see that "link" in top of given page with search results [08:48:10] ok [08:48:12] done [08:48:17] :) [08:48:34] Thanks Sasa^Stefanovic [08:48:39] you are awesome [08:48:42] np [08:48:48] :-D [08:50:29] Sasa^Stefanovic, I see two times [08:50:32] :( [08:50:42] "two times" what ? [08:50:47] I mean the name of the page [08:50:49] is your wiki online ... can i see that ? [08:50:58] its internal [08:51:01] oh [08:51:15] well, you can create it by entering pagename in url bar too [08:51:32] How can i remove duplicates [08:51:51] like http://your.wiki.org/wiki/PAGENAME [08:52:32] by deleting one of duplicates :) [08:53:03] ok [08:55:54] 03ialex * r35778 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: svn:eol-style native [09:03:38] hi there [09:03:53] i'd like to have some extension that enables users to vote for stuff [09:03:57] does something like that exist [09:03:58] ? [09:05:20] 03ialex * r35779 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): svn:eol-style native [09:12:52] C-Otto, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BoardVote ? [09:13:38] there are extensions for rating stuff. and maybe also for polling, i don't know [09:21:32] I'm trying to research a fix for the "HTTP 500 Internal Error" and having little luck, any suggestions? [09:22:52] The site was working fine and now I can't go to the Special:SpecialPages without the error [09:30:39] 03jojo * r35780 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): output error message if POST request fails [09:39:04] I just restored the LocalSettings.php and that seemed to fix it for now [10:00:44] 03(NEW) Inputbox extension cannot be used in mediawiki parametrized templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14389 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (lilian.robert) [10:03:15] 14(DUP) Inputbox extension cannot be used in mediawiki parametrized templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14389 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:03:15] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:10:16] 03(NEW) User gets error message when trying to log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14390 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Wiki.Melancholie) [10:15:07] 03vasilievvv * r35781 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: * (bug 14390) User gets error message when trying to log in [10:17:10] 03(FIXED) User gets error message when trying to log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14390 +comment (10vasilvv) [10:18:46] 03vasilievvv * r35782 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: More logical errors [10:19:27] hi [10:19:38] i'm having issues with unicode, i guess [10:19:57] i've successfully installed mediawiki, it works quite well [10:20:18] but when i set the language to something that has special characters, it's broken [10:20:38] can someone please help? [10:28:55] mediawiki version 1.12 on a gentoo fully unicode system [10:29:27] the special characters are broken, like ùàé etc. [10:30:21] maybe the database encoding is somehow broken? [10:32:40] hm [10:32:44] how can i check? [10:32:54] i'm pretty sure the DB is unicode too, though [10:33:13] i have [10:33:17] default-character-set [10:33:26] default-character-set=utf8 [10:33:29] in my.cnf [10:36:24] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 (10lilian.robert) [10:37:17] 03(mod) password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330 (10public.wiki) [10:46:41] please, someone can help with charset? [10:59:00] 03catrope * r35783 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Fixing regression from r35298: wasn't adding enough ampersands. [11:08:18] People might want to read http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Mediawiki_displays_this_image_incorrectly. [11:08:32] Sorry. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Graphic_Lab_School/Images_to_improve#Mediawiki_doesn.27t_handle_this_SVG_correctly [11:16:02] 03(mod) lang and hreflang attributes for interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4901 +accessibility (10suruena) [11:17:37] hi folks... i was wondering if there was a way of publishing RSS feeds from a mediawiki install? [11:18:06] 03(mod) Whitelist more HTML tags: abbr acronym address dfn kbd q samp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671 +accessibility (10suruena) [11:18:59] ? unicode [11:19:07] ! uncode [11:19:11] :-/ [11:30:56] soul9: Can I help you? [11:31:12] !unicode [11:31:12] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "unicode". You might try: !webrequest [11:40:21] 03(mod) Create Community-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10999 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [11:47:24] 03(mod) Problems with statistics in Sakha Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14359 (10halan) [11:54:19] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10danny_b) [12:02:33] 03(mod) Return to top links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 (10danny_b) [12:08:19] 03rotem * r35784 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixing display of RTL Special:Specialpages: Display is not ideal yet (bullets are out of display, at least in Firefox), but is better. [12:08:48] hero [12:09:16] if anyone here has heard of MoinMoin wiki ( http://moinmo.in/ ), does anyone know if there are any mods for mediawiki to implement a similar ACL (permissions) system? [12:09:36] mmm [12:09:51] rotem seems our only rtl guy... better than no rtl guy! [12:11:38] say what? [12:13:04] Starcraftmazter: there is a couple random access restriction extensions... but there is no proper acl [12:13:27] eeek [12:14:08] well there's only one solution...where are the feature requests? [12:15:32] well [12:15:54] !bugzilla [12:15:54] --mwbot-- All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate. [12:16:37] let's say this way: it is so common request that a bug in bugzilla (which I believe there already is) isn't probably going to help much [12:22:36] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 (10Winbots) [12:32:34] 03rotem * r35785 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update. [12:46:49] anyone? [12:47:12] localized mediawiki is having charset issues [12:47:26] o rly? [12:47:33] I think it's a unicode problem, but i don't really know why [12:47:45] i have enabled unicode both in mediawiki and php [12:47:48] well, describe the problem, plz [12:48:05] well, the "special" characters are not working [12:48:08] e.g. [12:49:27] á is an A with a ~ and a ! [12:49:36] i'll try and post a screenshot, just a sec [12:50:53] http://j.9souldier.org/mediawikiprob.png [12:50:55] here^ [12:51:16] is changing the name of an installed mediawiki possible? [12:51:34] i think there is a php script [12:51:39] in maintenance subdir [12:52:17] balasyum, yeah, change $wgSitename in LocalSettings [12:52:27] is changing only that enough? [12:52:37] i think so, try and see [12:52:38] 03werdna * r35786 10/trunk/extensions/TorBlock/ (. TorBlock.i18n.php TorBlock.php): Add TorBlock extension, which applies additional restrictions to tor exit nodes. Intended to replace IP blocking on Wikimedia projects. Review requested. [12:52:40] soul9: is mysql enabled with binary schema? what web server? [12:52:57] binary schema? [12:52:58] hm [12:53:05] web server=apache2 [12:53:42] apache 2.2.8 [12:53:50] *Werdna not good with unicode. [12:53:52] where should i check for the mysql question? [12:54:10] what version of mediawiki are you running? [12:54:43] latest stable [12:54:53] 1.11.2 [12:54:58] I think that uses binary schema. [12:55:13] mysql also has unicode support [12:55:25] and utf is my default encoding system-wide [12:55:31] it also works well [12:56:16] i think it works in php too, but i'm not really sure [12:56:29] how could i test wether my php install supports unicode? [12:56:46] 03rotem * r35787 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 5 dirs): [12:56:46] Reverting new Special:SpecialPages layout: Problems in RTL wikis in Firefox [12:56:46] (didn't check other browsers), list bullets are indented to the left. The change [12:56:46] to the restricted special pages was not reverted, and they are still in the [12:56:46] combined list. [12:58:02] mmm [12:58:44] 03werdna * r35788 10/trunk/extensions/TorBlock/TorBlock.php: Oops, forgot to actually cache tor exit nodes. [12:58:59] soul9: I don't know. Try googling. [12:59:00] ok, so i think it's php's fault [12:59:10] 03rotem * r35789 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Removing obsolete messages, referring to the division of special pages to normal and restricted, and moving the messages of Special:Specialpages to this page section. [12:59:15] i made a test.php file [12:59:18] containing: [12:59:27] [12:59:31] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10Winbots) [12:59:39] soul9: it's very unlikely that it'S php's fault. [12:59:57] soul9: what content encoding the the server reporting for that page?= [13:00:02] what is the browser actually using? [13:00:04] the test.php? [13:00:07] firefox [13:00:17] because it looks like the server is serving utf-8 but the browser thinks it's latin-1 [13:00:26] huh? [13:00:34] 03rotem * r35790 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialPage.php: Fix for r35787 commit message: the list bullets were indented to the right, not to the left. [13:00:36] which encoding is the broewser actually using to show the page [13:00:51] hit ctrl-i (or ctrl-j on windows) to find out in firefox [13:01:15] encoding: UTF-8 [13:01:25] then check view->character-encoding [13:01:29] (in the menu) [13:01:52] set to unicode [13:02:00] and autodetect (universal) [13:04:03] Werdna: hiheee [13:04:19] soul9: check what the system messages look like in System:Allmessages [13:04:45] soul9: check what actual page text looks like, in the wiki and in the database. [13:04:59] *something* is using the wrong charset somewhere. [13:05:12] anyway, i gotta run, sorry. [13:05:18] no [13:05:20] it's php [13:05:26] a php problem [13:05:31] i'm sure now [13:05:52] i made two test pages and neither of them display prperly [13:05:58] and my browser supports unicode [13:07:06] also, in php.ini i have default_charset = "utf-8" [13:07:41] 03rotem * r35791 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialPreferences.php: Link to the group pages in Special:Preferences. [13:15:49] 03(mod) The tab on the main page should read "main page", not "article" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:21:37] how to get next value of auto inc value in table? always i use $dbw->nextSequenceValue( 'geoobjectinfo_geoobjectInfo_id_seq' ) nothing happen.. [13:23:50] 03(mod) Markup accessibility issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:24:48] 03(mod) Image syntax shouldn't use caption as alt= text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:25:37] exist any problem to upgrade my mediawiki-1.6.7 to mediawiki-1.12? [13:26:30] 03(mod) more "jump to" accessibility links needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13765 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:27:30] 03(mod) Link text shouldn't be duplicated in title attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:30:12] 03(mod) Use full label text for toggles on recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5827 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:32:31] 03rotem * r35792 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialSpecialpages.php: Code cleanup. [13:32:34] 03(mod) Make CAPTCHA less obtrusive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13918 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:33:02] 03(mod) [tables] Please implement COL, COLGROUP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:35:31] 03(mod) Character insertion box should have titles for the characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3550 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:36:29] 03(mod) Interface for uploaded audio media - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1880 +accessibility (10suruena) [13:38:18] ok, i found the problem [13:38:31] for anyone interested, i needed to set output_handler = mb_output_handler(utf-8) in php.ini [13:41:43] soul9: hmm [13:42:38] 03(NEW) Internal error on loading histories, diffs or edit window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (happy_melon) [13:42:56] soul9: do you have some kind of mb_overwrite on? [13:43:50] 14(DUP) Internal error on loading histories, diffs or edit window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:43:58] 03(mod) User gets error message when trying to log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14390 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:44:08] no [13:45:00] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 (10gtisza) [13:45:07] soul9: can you put somewhere your mbstring.* setting values? [13:46:47] hrrrm [13:47:03] Nikerabbit: can you please tell me how i can extract that? ☺ [13:48:17] well at least phpinfo() tells that [13:48:23] http://fi2.php.net/manual/en/mbstring.configuration.php [13:48:50] ok [13:49:04] i can paste the phpinfo page, if you're interested [13:49:08] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 (10lilian.robert) [13:49:16] the site can't be accessed from outside anyways ;-) [13:49:39] Nikerabbit: do you want me to set the output handler back before doing so? [13:50:48] doesn't matter, put don't paste directly to this channel [13:51:25] no, of course not [13:53:04] Nikerabbit: here: http://j.9souldier.org/phpinfo.html [13:53:20] please download it, i'll delete it when you tell me done ☺ [13:54:17] done [13:55:09] thx [13:55:57] hmm [13:56:07] your internal encoding is set to ISO-8859-1 [13:57:05] 0_o [13:57:16] where is that set? [13:57:36] default_charset? [13:58:17] <^demon> Looking at the installer...is adding a db prefix broken? [13:58:29] soul9: do you have some other php software that needs that? [13:58:32] 03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595 +comment (10mattwj2002) [13:59:15] n [13:59:21] Nikerabbit: no [14:00:09] Nikerabbit: what setting is that? [14:00:23] i have default_charset = "UTF-8" in php.ini :-/ [14:00:43] mbstring.internal_encoding [14:00:57] look where that is set [14:01:01] but where is the setting for that? [14:01:06] or what is the setting for that? [14:01:07] hm [14:01:18] i have no idea :-/ [14:01:44] probably in php.ini [14:02:15] well [14:02:31] i set it to UTF-8, and still the same problem without output_handler set [14:02:57] soul9: try setting it to null? [14:04:11] setting what? [14:04:13] 03(mod) Create AdminSettings.php during wiki installation, in the same way as LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14201 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:04:22] internal encoding [14:04:23] mbstring.internal_encoding? [14:04:24] ok [14:05:12] nope [14:06:48] hmm [14:07:11] i am interested in what software was created database schema for Mediawiki.. ? anyone know? [14:07:37] maybe it is because your output handler is also set to mb_output_handler (default null) [14:07:41] Galiman: by hand I assume [14:08:10] 03(NEW) Database prefixes not added - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14392 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (innocentkiller) [14:08:11] no [14:08:13] Nikerabbit: i hope not so :).. [14:08:17] no, i tried everything [14:08:22] the only thing that works is [14:08:29] well, good for you [14:08:37] output_handler = mb_output_handler-utf-8) [14:08:40] I still assume mbstring is doing something nasty [14:08:53] Galiman: why so? [14:09:28] ok, i put rong question, i mean visual database layout. [14:09:55] *wrong [14:10:18] hmm, the ones nickj or someone created? [14:10:30] Galiman: you mean this one? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Mediawiki-database-schema.png [14:10:47] http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/index.php <- DB designer [14:10:49] yes [14:11:08] thx.. [14:11:59] anyone know what STORED/NOT STORED means in the memcached logs? [14:12:23] if you try to add an entry to memcached and get back NOT STORED does that mean it failed? [14:12:28] probably [14:13:01] any idea under what conditions something would be NOT STORED aside from a bad connection? [14:13:55] ah forget it, memcached documentation knows [14:14:21] there is no XML file for DBDesigner for current version of schema? [14:18:07] Hi. How can I list all registered users? [14:18:10] in mw [14:18:24] Special:Listusers [14:33:02] DBDesigner cannot work with MySQL 5.x :( [14:36:37] what is wrong with this query? http://pastebin.com/m669ab2b3 [14:39:07] Galiman: use 'mysql workbench' [14:41:37] domas, yes i will need to try it out. [14:44:41] Galiman: it is same dev, different product name :) [14:48:45] 03btongminh * r35793 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke_body.php: (bug 8527) Delete images via Nuke [14:50:21] 03(FIXED) Mass deletion of images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8527 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [14:52:00] 03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [14:52:59] 03(NEW) robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14393 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (chris_yo) [14:53:25] again? ;-) [14:54:00] 03demon * r35794 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (bug 12859) Deprecate $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups in favor of adding the 'noratelimit' user right. [14:54:08] hi Danny_B [14:54:24] hi Nikerabbit [14:54:32] 03(FIXED) $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups should be replaced by 'noratelimits ' right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12859 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:56:07] 03(mod) robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14393 (10raimond.spekking) [14:56:38] 03demon * r35795 10/trunk/phase3/config/index.php: Partial revert of r35794. Additional file added to commit that shouldn't have gone. [14:57:38] svn ci is your friend [14:57:56] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Yes I know. I'll get the hang of it :-P [14:58:04] <^demon> First real commit beyond userinfo, I was bound to mess it up a *bit* [14:58:14] ^demon: i always run 'svn st' before i commit [14:58:20] it shows, which files are modified and will be committed [14:58:27] <^demon> That being said, comment on the commit itself? [14:58:47] there's nothing better than visual svn ;-) [14:58:59] no commandline necessary [14:59:26] ^demon: mmmm [15:00:20] you said it's deprecated but it also seems that it doesn't have any effect anymore [15:01:55] <^demon> Nikerabbit: I kept the global in DefaultSettings, it's just empty now. User::isPingLimitable() is still used places, so I updated it to use User::userCan(). A grep of all the extensions show no direct calls to the old global, so I figured it was safe to deprecate. [15:02:27] ^demon: but if someone has set some values in it.. will they have any effect? [15:02:45] Fatal error: Call to undefined method User::userCan() in /Library/WebServer/Documents/phase3/includes/User.php on line 1104 [15:03:10] ^demon: 'deprecated' means it still works, but there's a better method [15:03:18] ^demon: you removed it entirely. it's not just deprecated; it doesn't work at all [15:03:19] <^demon> ialex: Doing what? [15:03:35] ^demon: saving page [15:03:49] the method is isAllowed(), not userCan() [15:04:00] 03tstarling * r35796 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.php: Fixed user language transfer [15:04:18] <^demon> Blah, fixing. [15:04:47] <^demon> flyingparchment: So, suggest removing it from DefaultSettings entirely? [15:04:51] <^demon> Before I commit the fix to User.php [15:05:27] 03ialex * r35797 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Fatal error: Call to undefined method User::userCan() [15:05:27] ^demon: there's no point having removed settings there [15:05:38] if you really want, you could add a note next to the setting which replaces it [15:12:21] <^demon> I'll update the MW.org documenation on the variable when I get into work. [15:12:29] 03demon * r35798 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Clean up DefaultSettings.php documentation for (now useless) $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups [15:12:30] <^demon> Thanks people for input. I'll be a *lot* more careful from now on. [15:13:54] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 (10N/A) [15:33:50] how do I do to see the methods of $user? I don't found the documentation [15:34:38] http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classUser.html [15:35:39] thanks [15:37:51] Brion, I would like to ask you something [15:38:24] Would it be ok if my bot ran again, but only updating to offline if an edit was not in the last hour, and not updating the LastEdit pages? [15:38:30] Oh, he's not here [15:47:12] ugh [16:05:26] <|Cobi|> What's the best way to normalize a username? (I assume there is a function somewhere to do it) [16:07:05] $user = User::newFromName( $name ); $normalizedName = $user->getName(); [16:07:25] <|Cobi|> Thanks :) [16:11:40] 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10Winbots) [16:12:14] I'd like my users to be able to quickly switch between 2 different stylesheets, a la http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/ [16:12:37] is there a clear way to do this, or a known hack/fix? [16:16:26] 03(NEW) New Special:SpecialPages layout issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14394 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (alefzet) [16:16:54] 03(mod) New Special:SpecialPages layout issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14394 (10alefzet) [16:20:14] 04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 (10alefzet) [16:22:35] 03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10alefzet) [16:24:28] 03mkroetzsch * r35799 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Hooks.php): [16:24:28] Process categories in ParserAfterTidy, since LinkUpdate is not always used for storing data (e.g. in update [16:24:28] scripts). Add AUTOLOAD for SMWSQLStore2 (but not default yet). [16:25:28] 03mkroetzsch * r35800 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore2.php SMW_SQLStore2_Queries.php): [16:25:28] Further progress in new storage implementation: querying now almost complete (hierarchies not supported yet), [16:25:28] much more efficient, full support for disjunctions (if enabled), full equality support at almost no cost. [16:32:48] was this syntax depracated for external image links ? [http://www.mypage.com http://www.mypage.com/logo.png] [16:34:25] it was working in 1.5.5 but produces a different result in 1.12 [16:34:35] have a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages [16:35:12] it says you need to activate the option and you only have to paste the URL [16:35:43] 03ialex * r35801 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_arab.php MessagesKk_cyrl.php MessagesKk_latn.php): (bug 12145) Kazakh message updates [16:35:48] 03(NEW) "current revision" link leads to latest flagged revision instead of current - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14395 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Takuro.kato) [16:36:15] 03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [16:37:13] 03purodha * r35802 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php: prepare for Europanto localization on Betawiki [16:37:42] To any dev: please, apply the patch in http://rafb.net/p/Wao2Vb63.html to /trunk/mediawiki/extensions/Piwik/ it's just a fix for getting the translated messages [16:37:43] Hi! I'm using $wgHooks["userCan"][], but my function return false and the Hook continue... why? [16:38:12] I create a extension [16:39:04] trops: you have to set $result to false [16:39:05] http://paste.milk-it.net/697 [16:39:57] ialex: I did set [16:40:13] see the code in http://paste.milk-it.net/697 [16:40:24] Is a simple extension... [16:40:30] trops: } else { $result = true; } otherwise $result is always true [16:40:41] thanks Isb1009 [16:40:54] you're welcome [16:42:53] ialex: http://paste.milk-it.net/698, still is not works [16:43:04] 03ialex * r35803 10/trunk/extensions/Piwik/Piwik_specialpage.php: Applied patch by Isb1009 on IRC [16:43:04] ops, doesn't work* [16:43:24] 03raymond * r35804 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUserlogin.php: Allow wikisyntax in these messages. Makes it easier to link to help pages in tbe projects [16:43:29] ialex: I'm running at http://wiki.milk-it.net/Guideline:Orientado_a_Interface [16:43:56] Is there any way to see the "Real Name" from a User, or to search a Real Name? [16:46:01] trops: and with "function readPermissionsCheck( $title, $user, $action, &$result ) {" ? [16:46:22] notice the & just before $result [16:46:38] ialex: yes, this is the function that return false or true [16:47:14] trops: put the & before $result [16:47:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/userCan isn't this [16:48:17] just try to put it [16:48:47] doesn't work :( [16:49:20] is &$result a pointer? [16:49:33] reference... [16:49:35] sorry [16:50:05] This page is blocked too: http://wiki.milk-it.net/Milk-it:ToDo [16:50:40] but userCan does not block [16:51:23] Is there any way to see the "Real Name" from a User, or to search a Real Name? [16:51:34] the new code: http://paste.milk-it.net/699 [16:52:59] ialex: does not work... Is a api bug? [16:54:52] 03(mod) New Special:SpecialPages layout issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14394 +comment (10dan_the_man) [16:56:10] 03siebrand * r35805 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php: Revert r35802. Not adding languages before there is sufficient message content. Using $wgExtraLanguageNames in LocalSetting.php in Betawiki. [17:01:28] Hi all...does anyone here have some experience with Semantic Mediawiki? We're thinking of installing it on our site, and I'd like to get a sense first of how stable it is, particularly on sites that get a significant amount of traffic. Most of the sites I've seen that run SMW seem to be fairly low-traffic. [17:03:16] Wikia runs SMW [17:03:50] In particular the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki there is attempting to use it... And they are quite high in traffic [17:04:10] hello everybody. [17:04:23] i'm trying to size up mediawiki to see if it is what I want for my application. [17:04:25] Dantman: Thanks. [17:05:27] anyone able to answer some fairly general questions that I couldn't see specifically answered in the FAQ's? [17:05:56] i will try to answer general questions [17:06:15] but my answer to your first question is a conditional yes [17:06:39] hallo in russia! [17:06:58] comparing MW to wikipedia, will I have to do extra formatting or templating to get "caption" boxes at the tops of certain types of articles? [17:07:05] tell me if that doesn't make sense. [17:08:06] define "caption box" [17:08:15] click on the "Edit" button [17:08:24] then you can see if it uses templating or not [17:09:02] Greetings to all from Russia!!! Excuse for my English language, simply it is very complex to write. [17:09:11] okay, to be clear, I haven't installed MW yet. I am trying to determine if it meets my needs, lch [17:09:28] ialex: I found the error [17:10:07] killians1978, I meant click Edit on the page that you are referring to [17:10:17] you can see the wikitext source code [17:10:18] I don't know why, but the content are in Talk and isn't in Article [17:10:20] :( [17:10:38] And to define 'caption box', by that I mean that for certain types of articles - for instance an article defining a fictional character or place as opposed to a factual one - that explains that this article focuses on fiction, and should not be used as a source of real information. [17:10:42] something like that. [17:10:49] Comrades, you can come on a site http: // all-portal.ru and press references of the block Advertising. [17:10:49] Ðåêëàìà [17:10:49] block Ðåêëàìà! [17:11:06] okay kill [17:11:18] you may need to take a couple steps back, okay? [17:11:49] I guess that is this [17:11:53] it would help me to frame my explanation if i knew the general purpose of your project [17:12:42] Okay... one sec [17:13:01] two or three words may be enough [17:13:27] I am helping an ongoing role playing game chronicle the events and characters as they develop, and the content is largely player-created. [17:13:57] okay [17:14:01] It's important to point out that if someone is looking at a "Character Page", that the information they see there may not necessarily be general knowledge, and should be treated as Out of Character. [17:14:21] so [17:14:39] why can you not write that fact into the page in question? [17:14:57] '''This is an In Character character''' [17:15:00] or some such [17:15:25] Because there are dozens and dozens of characters, and I thought it might be easiest for the players who will be creating pages to simply be able to stick in a template code. Makes less work for maintenance [17:15:27] in theory. [17:15:38] good theory, good in practice too [17:15:54] so, create a template, put the words in there that you wish to repeat on multiple pages [17:15:55] Including stubs, there are realistically hundreds of player characters and NPCs [17:16:23] and then, on the target pages, include ("transclude") the template using {{sometemplate}} [17:16:34] you create the template page at Template:Sometemplate [17:16:45] Okay. And I should have no problem determining how to write up a template. [17:16:57] yes and no [17:17:08] there is great range in template capabilities [17:17:23] at the shallow end, simply type what you want to see repeated [17:18:06] at the deep end, with Extension:ParserFunctions installed, you almost have the capabilities of a primitive programming language [17:18:10] a sort of script [17:18:24] you can even add more PF extensions on, on top [17:18:25] But the fancy caption box with icon is not something that's readily available, right? [17:18:33] yes and no [17:18:37] :) [17:18:51] when you install MW, it comes empty -- no pages [17:18:57] no templates, either [17:18:59] ah [17:19:07] i guess that answers the next question. [17:19:22] anyone could review this patch please? http://rafb.net/p/7HkWyb89.txt [17:19:30] when i set up a new wiki, one of my tasks is to copy templates from an existing project [17:19:39] right [17:19:43] there is a certain group of templates that i want on every wiki [17:19:59] the goal is to get it to look as familiar as possible, and since everybody's familiar with wikipedia. [17:20:02] let me show you a few that i find indispensable in the long run [17:20:08] it makes sense to emulate the style. [17:20:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3A- [17:20:50] alnokta, oh, I like. Clever. Change padding-right: 12px; padding-left: 12px; to padding: 0 12px;, though. [17:20:59] as is usual around WP, this template has been crapped up with layers of things that ppl think are absolutely necessary [17:21:08] but the basic content just clears float [17:21:11] bad url.. didn't like the %3A i think [17:21:18] alnokta, padding: 0 12px; is the same as padding-top: 0; padding-right: 12px; padding-bottom: 0; padding-left: 12px; [17:21:19] Simetrical, not me :) he is AhmadSherif [17:21:33] well, that %3A is properly escaped [17:21:38] pixel salsa :P [17:21:41] alnokta, well, anyway, it's a good idea in general, but you could cut out quite a few lines with that change, and it should otherwise work. [17:21:57] got it. [17:22:44] Simetrical, what do you mean with 'few lines with that change'? [17:22:48] another is http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/Template%3ATl [17:23:04] now, you look at that on its own page and it looks meaningless [17:23:12] but look at my own user page [17:23:22] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/User%3ABear [17:23:33] it's a very handy little dodge [17:23:59] AhmadSherif, I mean do this instead: http://rafb.net/p/uZOLLp87.html [17:24:02] Simetrical, http://alnokta.arablug.org/chemistrywiki/en/index.php?title=AhmetS http://alnokta.arablug.org/chemistrywiki/ar/index.php?title=AhmetS [17:24:05] AhmadSherif, otherwise the patch looks very good. :) [17:24:07] kill, wait a minit [17:24:16] I should have thought of that. [17:24:28] k [17:24:59] Simetrical, ok thanks :) [17:25:00] who is a chanop here? pls pm [17:27:08] back, kill [17:27:30] so that template, {{tl}}, does double or triple duty [17:28:05] it lets me list the template, link to the template, and copy the markup i need to use the template (without opening the page for editing) [17:28:22] mmkay [17:29:16] now, look on my user page again -- you see the big brown box? [17:29:23] Simetrical, like that http://rafb.net/p/KzdVsY71.html ? [17:29:26] that is a terribly complex template [17:29:30] yes [17:30:01] i mean, if you open it up, the codes are complex [17:30:13] although the logic is only intermediate [17:30:31] i created it as a tool for creating still more complex templates and their documentation [17:31:02] you see the little helpbox in the right top? that's another template [17:31:07] kill, sorry, wait again [17:31:12] i'm being harassed by an idiot [17:31:13] no prob. [17:31:29] ignorelist them Xiong [17:32:03] can anyone tell me what is wrong with this database query? http://pastebin.com/m3c1b45dd [17:32:05] AhmadSherif, no, also remove the existing padding-right line. [17:32:11] done [17:32:28] AhmadSherif, padding: x y; means padding-top: x; padding-right: y; padding-bottom: x; padding-left: y; [17:32:31] now this wiki you're looking at is new and raw [17:32:37] so a lot is still missing [17:32:38] AhmadSherif, so that's shorthand that replaces the existing padding. [17:33:02] but if you click that helpbox, you go to the docs page for {{markups}} [17:33:06] Simetrical, oh yes, sorry i forgot that line [17:33:10] hello [17:33:12] what's up [17:33:18] can't click, not registered. [17:33:25] but i'd take your word for it :) [17:33:28] i use the same {{helpbox}} in {{toolbox}} [17:33:39] and that saves bytes so brion doesn't bite :P [17:33:41] nothing to see there anyway [17:33:44] not yet [17:33:50] hi Nikerabbit [17:34:40] here's a generic box template i whipped up a long time ago [17:34:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3ADivbox [17:35:00] Simetrical, how about this http://rafb.net/p/pYzjDz68.html ? [17:35:01] it's a little primitive and doesn't take advantage of parserfunctions [17:35:08] but it's very popular [17:35:34] one way to use it is to create a box on a new template page [17:35:45] fiddle with it until you have more or less the box you want [17:35:52] then subst: it [17:35:59] then re-edit to further customize [17:36:07] Xiong, i would say staying away from pf as long as you can is a good thing.. [17:36:22] al, disagree, sorry [17:36:26] i think pf rocks [17:36:40] of course, one can get in deep, quick [17:37:26] there's a whole metaquestion of how much self-education you're willing to invest in X [17:37:32] i mean performance-wise , pf costs cpu . right? [17:37:40] so? [17:37:47] machines are cheap, humans are expensive [17:37:51] AhmadSherif, you still aren't removing all the padding-right lines in that patch. [17:37:53] What extension is good example code for adding a new type of log? [17:38:02] right [17:38:05] suppose I see a template for a box that I like, either on Wikipedia or another MW site... how do i view the template code so I can understand how it works and make use of the code? [17:38:15] it is always cheaper to add more machine power than to force humans to work inefficiently [17:38:23] AhmadSherif, these lines are redundant: padding-right: 13px; padding-right: 16px; etc. [17:38:26] Edit this page, kill [17:38:30] killians1978, "Edit" [17:38:36] Or "view source". [17:38:58] yah, either way, copy the markup out and fix it to your taste [17:39:06] Xiong, like vista? :P [17:39:10] a good text editor is your friend [17:39:11] I'm a little confused. [17:39:33] kill, i'm not sure where your "floor" is [17:39:44] have you ever edited a page on any wiki? [17:39:57] I see the CSS, I see the layout of the box, but I don't see where it makes the call to the wikicode, and inserts it into the HTML. [17:40:02] I have not. [17:40:08] okay [17:40:16] Simetrical, excuse me but i am not very familiar with css, could you till me what i do with last patch? [17:40:20] then frankly, all discussion of templates is premature [17:40:32] you can get into it quickly [17:40:45] but first you need to get some basic understanding of what a wiki is and how it works [17:41:04] gotta walk before you run [17:41:34] the three key features of any wiki are: ease of editing, dense linking, and versioning [17:41:59] ease of editing means that each page is represented by very simple markup; in the simplest case, you type and you see [17:42:15] *nods* I have somewhat familiarized myself with wiki markup [17:42:22] and it makes sense [17:42:24] '''bold''' ''italic'' ==section== * list item [17:42:50] dense linking means that [[Somepage]] markup functions as a link [17:43:09] wanna take this to PM so we're not spamming the channel? [17:43:16] indeed, it works even if Somepage does not exist, and takes you to a page where you can create it [17:43:29] right, I like that part. [17:43:37] biggest reason to go wiki for this project. [17:43:38] yeh, this is pretty basic -- but perhaps someone else wants to get in on it [17:43:49] pls join #mediawiki-basics [17:44:12] AhmadSherif, the patch should look like this: http://rafb.net/p/uZOLLp87.html [17:44:21] AhmadSherif, *delete* the padding-right line, *add* the padding line. [17:45:24] Simetrical, ok [17:45:41] Does the ArticleSave hook run both on new article creation and editing? [17:46:15] yes [17:47:00] <^demon> AaronSchulz: On the subject of hooks...if I wanted to prepend text to the current article's text (before parse), ParserBefore/AfterStrip would be the place, am I right? [17:48:48] prolly not [17:49:02] <^demon> Better place? [17:49:44] OutputPageBeforeHTML [17:50:37] <^demon> If I was prepending wikitext though, it wouldn't be parsed. [17:51:59] do you want to prepend the HTML ? [17:52:12] you can use viewarticleheader or OutputPageBeforeHTML [17:52:21] just a matter of code [17:53:08] ^demon: btw, do you gave grep? [17:53:21] <^demon> Yes, I do. [17:53:44] :) [17:53:54] Simetrical, how about that http://rafb.net/p/trgVd750.html ? [17:54:08] <^demon> I was wanting to prepend the article's content with additional wikitext based on some conditions. The only problem with ParserBefore/AfterStrip is $text = "AdditionalWikiText" . $text is it also adds the "AdditionalWikiText" to the tag of the page. [17:54:12] <AhmadSherif> Simetrical, sorry i tired you with me [17:54:16] <AaronSchulz> grep is the programmers secret weapon [17:54:31] <^demon> Mhmm, use it daily. [17:54:44] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: prepend the source, hmm [17:54:49] <AaronSchulz> sounds weird [17:55:13] <^demon> I'll throw it in a pastebin. [17:55:17] <AaronSchulz> why can't you just add the parsed wikitext before it ? [17:55:25] <mib_zc71p3> any ideas on why enabling memcached would result in a blank page after saving an edit with no errors in any of the usual places? [17:55:45] <AaronSchulz> mib_zc71p3: is page caching on? [17:55:55] <AaronSchulz> it may have cached a PHP error [17:56:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Moving user subpages is not rate limited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14356 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [17:56:11] <mib_zc71p3> it is [17:56:23] <mib_zc71p3> why wouldn't the PHP error show up on the screen though? display_errors in On [17:56:37] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article or image paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 minor->normal (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [17:56:54] <mib_zc71p3> $wgMainCacheType and $wgMemCachedServers are set correctly and the memcached is up and running [17:57:06] <^demon> AaronSchulz: http://pastey.net/88875 [17:57:08] <Simetrical> AhmadSherif, that looks good. [17:57:51] <RoyK> hm... a table header, indicated by ! header - how can I make that aligned to the left? [17:57:55] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: so why can't that just add HTML before outputing the rest ? [17:57:59] <AhmadSherif> Simetrical, so, is it gonna happen? [17:58:09] <AaronSchulz> I don't see the need to twiddle with the body wikitext [17:58:14] <Simetrical> AhmadSherif, give it to alnokta for testing, he can commit it. [17:58:21] <RoyK> I have style="text-align:left" at the table header, but it doesn't seem to help [17:58:29] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: you can parse the message with a separate parser call [17:58:35] <AaronSchulz> and ouput it with addHTML() [17:58:44] <AaronSchulz> or addWikiText() to do it all in one [17:58:53] <mib_zc71p3> RoyK: ! style="align:left" | Header <--- like this? [17:59:09] <Simetrical> It's just a shame that :dir() doesn't work reliably yet. [17:59:11] <Simetrical> Oh well. [17:59:34] <RoyK> mib_zc71p3: ah [17:59:38] <RoyK> mib_zc71p3: will try [17:59:56] <^demon> AaronSchulz: I'll look at that, good idea. [17:59:57] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: FlaggedRevs does that kind of stuff [18:00:53] <VasilievVV> AaronSchulz: is FlaggedRevs stable now? [18:01:43] <CIA-51> 03ktchan * r35806 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.i18n.php: Copy 'sr-ec' to 'sr', 'zh-hans' to 'zh', 'zh-hant' to 'zh-hk' [18:02:20] <RoyK> mib_zc71p3: worked a little better - thanks :) [18:02:46] <mib_zc71p3> no prob [18:02:54] <alnokta> AhmadSherif, added, take a look [18:02:56] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) IPs to lose new messages flag after a few weeks or months - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14396 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (lunasantin) [18:04:34] <tekmosis> With the ArticleSave hook is there a way to tell if the article is a brand new article? [18:04:56] <alnokta> Simetrical, http://alnokta.arablug.org/chemistrywiki/en/index.php?title=AhmetS http://alnokta.arablug.org/chemistrywiki/ar/index.php?title=AhmetS [18:06:14] <mib_zc71p3> tekmosis, if you just want new articles try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleInsertComplete [18:06:43] <AaronSchulz> tekmosis: ArticleInsertComplete is a nice hook for that [18:07:20] <tekmosis> Thanks AaronSchulz, I'll look into that one [18:08:01] <mib_zc71p3> you can also check the flags parameter like this: $existing_article = $flags & EDIT_UPDATE [18:10:23] <^demon> That's odd...how does your localhost time out... [18:11:23] <matthew_> What the page for site announcements? ~/sitenotice and ~/siteannounce don't appear to be it.. [18:12:01] <alnokta> mediawiki:sitenotice [18:16:19] <alnokta> how to change the (UTC) in the signatures to something else? [18:17:12] <matthew_> alnokta: thanks! [18:17:39] <CIA-51> 03yaron * r35807 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Added 'uploadwindow' value [18:18:21] <ialex> alnokta: $wgLocaltimezone [18:18:31] *Wiredtape wonders why thumbs have a white border and white background setting... [18:18:51] <Wiredtape> what if you want to use a thumb image within a div that has a different background color? [18:19:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) New Special:SpecialPages layout issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14394 (10alefzet) [18:20:14] <alnokta> ialex, i mean from mediawiki:* [18:20:23] <ialex> alnokta: not possible [18:20:52] <alnokta> :( [18:28:16] <alnokta> ialex, is there a fair reason why this isn't allowed as a mediawiki message? [18:29:02] <ialex> alnokta: because it automatically done with $wgLocaltimezone ? :) [18:31:58] <alnokta> ialex, i understand that wgLocaltimezone sets the time to utc, but what it got to do with its name? there are many translations for it http://tinyurl.com/6sbcnk , why it is restricted to utc? [18:33:50] *VasilievVV looks at AaronSchulz and still wonders if he now has a chance to get FlaggedRevs which is requested in early August [18:34:24] <CIA-51> 03ktchan * r35808 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.i18n.php: Revert r35806. Automatic fallbacks was working fine. [18:35:58] <CIA-51> 03siebrand * r35809 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for TorBlock [18:36:30] <ialex> alnokta: wgLocaltimezone is not set for arwiki, so you can ask to be set on bugzilla [18:37:12] <siebrand> ktchan, whichever nick you have: thanks. [18:38:39] <alnokta> ialex, i will. thanks. i still think it is a painful way to change it . [18:43:13] <tekmosis> Is there such a thing as an extension that lets you add a mini-feed (ala Facebook, for example) of the Recentchanges page to say put on the main page? [18:45:22] <AhmadSherif> Simetrical, alnokta tested it and it is working [18:46:27] <MinuteElectron> !e News | tekmosis [18:46:27] --mwbot-- tekmosis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:News [18:46:46] <MinuteElectron> Unfourtuantley, AFAIK, it doesn't work on 1.12. [18:46:56] <tekmosis> Great, thanks for that MinuteElectron [18:46:59] <dr_cherry> I upgraded to 1.12 and my gallery thumbnails aren't visible, what's the fix? [18:47:34] <CIA-51> 03siebrand * r35810 10/trunk/extensions/UniversalEditButton/UniversalEditButton.php: Add extension credits [18:50:12] <CIA-51> 03raymond * r35811 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German [18:55:56] <CIA-51> 03alnokta * r35812 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/ (main.css rtl.css): [18:55:56] <CIA-51> Enable external link icon (along with other links icons too) again on RTL wikis after correcting its behavior. [18:55:56] <CIA-51> This time it only adds 1.7kb of code. tested it on Arabic and English wikis. patch by Ahmad Sherif. [18:57:12] <dr_cherry> RTL wikis? [18:57:38] <alnokta> right-to-left direction of writing [18:59:18] <CIA-51> 03siebrand * r35813 10/trunk/extensions/TorBlock/ (TorBlock.class.php TorBlock.i18n.php TorBlock.php): [18:59:19] <CIA-51> * add class to class file [18:59:19] <CIA-51> * update extension credits (use cheaper svn properties) [18:59:19] <CIA-51> * align messages and add line break [19:01:11] <Dantman> ^_^ And while you work on rtl... I work on a near useless extension... heh [19:01:48] <Wiredtape> in nested tables.. should valign="top" work? or will a table auto-align for center of a cell? [19:03:42] <alnokta> Dantman, what extension you are making? [19:03:51] <Dantman> ^_^ Sudo [19:03:55] <Dantman> rotfl [19:04:10] <Dantman> Just like in bugzilla [19:04:20] <Wiredtape> no one? [19:04:53] <MinuteElectron> valign doesn't cascade at all [19:05:04] <MinuteElectron> you need to specify it for every table row [19:06:08] <Wiredtape> MinuteElectron : not talking about cascading here... i'm trying to specify that a table (nested within a cell) be valign'd to the top.. [19:08:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Can't delete images with postgres backend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14337 (10tim) [19:08:26] <Wiredtape> as with this example: http://pastey.net/88879 [19:14:19] <CIA-51> 03siebrand * r35814 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (37 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-06-03 21:03 CEST) [19:19:53] <CIA-51> 03siebrand * r35815 10/trunk/extensions/ (56 files in 52 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-06-03 21:03 CEST) [19:25:48] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) DaSch MediaWiki Customisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dasch_87) [19:27:50] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Patch for generateSitemap.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397 +need-review +patch; summary (10raimond.spekking) [19:28:30] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Patch for generateSitemap.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397 +comment (10dasch_87) [19:31:25] <Smaug> yo guys. general question. I have a MW wiki. I'm on shared hosting. It's small, it's working. Now, let's say my fantasies come true. My wiki grows. Large. Like WP-large. Will shared hosting be a problem? Will I need to pay for my own servers and have them connected in that special way? [19:33:36] <CIA-51> 03brion * r35816 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/SkinTemplate.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): [19:33:36] <CIA-51> Remove bullshit "deprecated" warnings about MediaWiki:Monobook.js [19:33:36] <CIA-51> Skin-specific JS pages are *PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE* for *SKIN-SPECIFIC* JS. [19:33:37] <CIA-51> MediaWiki:Common.js should be used for *GENERAL JS*. [19:33:44] <Wiredtape> Smaug, well.. there are so many different answers to give you! :) [19:34:04] <Smaug> awesome [19:34:21] <Smaug> can you give me some? [19:34:35] <Smaug> or should i narrow down my question? [19:34:49] <Wiredtape> Smaug: 1) there will probably be problems with load.. a lot of visitors on shared hosting means you will probably have problems with speed and/or cpu limit exceed [19:35:39] <dr_cherry> I'm running MW on a server that shares the mysql server with a couple of blogs and already running into problems with the mysql server going away [19:35:46] <ThaNerd> hello. I'm new to mediawiki... is there a known, easy way to automagically create a user account on the wiki? i'd implement something in my website, so that when people create an account on the site, a wiki account is automatically created with same username. Can it be done? [19:36:02] <Wiredtape> 2) in the future, you *might*, not necessarily though, want to add some more advanced stuff to the wiki which might require root access to the server.. (such as squids, rsync, svn and so on...) [19:36:32] <dr_cherry> Smaug, based on my experience, you'll need your own server to handle any sort of real traffic. [19:36:43] <Smaug> yes, i know that squids and other terms i've heard but not yet needed help with speed. aren't squids basically required for a large multi-server wiki? [19:36:51] <Wiredtape> Smaug: 3) you might find that a delay in technical support by your host will not be acceptible with good traffic [19:36:57] <dr_cherry> I'm considering splitting my mysql server into another box at this point. [19:38:04] <Smaug> dr_cherry: ok. is there some point at which i should get my own, or should i go for it immediately, pre-empting? it costs more $, is the consideration [19:38:18] <Wiredtape> Smaug, i would wait... [19:38:43] *dr_cherry agrees with Wiredtape, wait until you can justify the server [19:38:51] <Smaug> Wiredtape: at what point (database size? other signs) should i look into getting a server [19:38:53] <Wiredtape> thanerd, that really depends on how your website is built [19:39:27] <Smaug> and if I want to plan for mulitple servers, what should i keep in mind so i don't have to switch hosting companies, or make sure my current hosting company has or ask them to get? [19:39:32] <dr_cherry> when you start running into bandwitdth issues or db connection issues. for example i sometimes get the error "2006: mysql server has gone away" [19:39:39] <Wiredtape> Smaug, i wouldn't wait for user complaints! I would wait to check load balance, i'd estimate that on a shared server with a fair amount of other websites running, 1000 hits per day will likely slow you down considerably... [19:40:10] <Wiredtape> Smaug: i would recommend looking at grid hosting, that way you know you can always add without causing any downtime [19:40:14] <dr_cherry> I'm running my wiki on the same server as my mail and mysql server for example. [19:40:22] <dr_cherry> i'm running into cpu issues. [19:40:49] <Smaug> what is grid hosting? [19:40:58] <ThaNerd> Wiredtape: the thing is, it's not built yet... It's at project state... but i think everything about logins will use openid [19:41:03] <Wiredtape> dr_cherry: i run those on same server but don't have many cpu issues as of now... [19:41:16] <Wiredtape> dr_cherry : so it's all about the host [19:41:22] <dr_cherry> agreed. [19:41:39] <dr_cherry> spam assassin really hurts my processor [19:41:56] <dr_cherry> load average: 2.04, 3.68, 3.75 [19:42:00] <dr_cherry> not the best [19:42:22] <Wiredtape> Smaug : ill summarize grid hosting in a moment.. unless someone wants to do it instead of me :) [19:42:45] <Wiredtape> ThaNerd : there is an extension to use openid in mediawiki... look at the extension [19:42:53] <Wiredtape> !extensions| ThaNerd [19:42:53] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "extensions|". You might try: !extensions [19:42:54] <ThaNerd> Wiredtape: i'd suggest a wikipedia link for "grid hosting" ;) [19:43:02] <Wiredtape> hehe yeah [19:43:12] <Wiredtape> !extensions | ThaNerd [19:43:12] --mwbot-- ThaNerd: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions. [19:43:18] <Smaug> Wiredtape: i've seen shared hosting, VPS, dedicated servers [19:43:31] <ThaNerd> Wiredtape: thanks for the hint... [19:43:38] <Wiredtape> ThaNerd : np [19:44:40] <Wiredtape> Smaug: it is a sort of vps, but it isn't run from a single computer.. but from a grid [19:45:10] <Wiredtape> so say you start with a cluster of 2 computers you can later add as many as you want [19:45:30] <Smaug> but does each computer only run my stuff? it seems like that isn't cost effective for the host [19:45:54] <Wiredtape> a good company that does this (i've only heard) is: http://www.thegridlayer.com/ [19:46:04] <Smaug> also it doesn't seem different from dedicated server except multiple servers. does dedicated server mean cannot connect to others? [19:46:19] <dr_cherry> here's another .. no endorsement : http://www.mediatemple.net/webhosting/gs/ [19:46:34] <Wiredtape> same here (no endorsement) [19:46:57] <dr_cherry> i moved my sites to an old pc under my desk a couple of years ago [19:47:23] <Smaug> ok. so neither of you yet have grid. [19:47:33] <ThaNerd> dr_cherry: is mt as reliable as they say? [19:47:34] <Smaug> dr_cherry: do you reccomend trying to set up your own server [19:47:53] <Smaug> ThaNerd: he said no endorsement. :| [19:47:58] <dr_cherry> I have no idea. i just looked up grid computing. I don't trust hosting companies claims typically. [19:48:07] <Wiredtape> dr_cherry : well, personally i don't think i would want the hassle of paying for a good connection ... or that amount of electricity in my house.. i'd rather use a host ... [19:48:16] <Smaug> right now i have shared hosting with hostican [19:48:34] <dr_cherry> For me it made sense. I use comcast $100/month service and get 5 ip addresses and cable tv [19:48:43] <Smaug> i've heard that paying someone else to have servers is more cost effective that setting up your own [19:48:50] <dr_cherry> I'm hosting about 10 sites. [19:48:59] <Wiredtape> Smaug i agree with dr_cherry, do good research about hosts before you select one [19:49:11] <dr_cherry> I wasn't happy with the service I got from hosting companies. sites would be down for days inexpliciably. [19:49:40] <Wiredtape> dr_cherry : is this a package comcast has? i had comcast for home, but the toa says explicitly "no servers" and the up speed wasn't acceptable [19:49:41] <Smaug> Wiredtape: i always try to do good research, right now i'm asking two knowledgeable ppl on irc. :) (but yeah, i will do research to assure myself) [19:49:42] <Dantman> LiNode is pretty cost effective for a VPS [19:50:01] <dr_cherry> Wiredtape, I got comcast "business" class. [19:50:06] <Dantman> And IMHO you can't get out the real potential of MW unless you are at least on a VPS [19:50:07] <Wiredtape> ahh :) [19:50:12] <dr_cherry> my up speed is now like 1.5! [19:50:16] <Wiredtape> i agree with Dantman on that [19:50:44] <Wiredtape> but smaug, this is really all just nonsense talk until you actually have a need for it [19:50:51] <Dantman> Unless you are running a really small site... you're going to run into issues with MW... especially in the scalability area [19:50:52] <Wiredtape> right now.. the important things to do are content and design [19:51:04] <Wiredtape> and then content, content, content, content, content, content and so on... :) [19:51:04] <dr_cherry> the hosting companies I was using wouldn't optimize their mysql servers to work with my blogging apps so I had to do it myself. [19:51:28] <Dantman> cause shared hosting won't let you run things like memcached that significantly speed MW up [19:51:41] <Wiredtape> ^^ true [19:51:45] <dr_cherry> Wiredtape's right. it's all about creating content. but we're narrowcasting so I don't need much bandwidth. [19:51:47] <Dantman> Some anti-spam stuff requires memcached to [19:51:51] <Smaug> Wiredtape: i plan ahead! :) yeah content and design. i just figure it would be a difficulty to have to change hosts, or go into some server setup, or if ther eis something i should do now so that the transition later is smooth [19:52:23] <Smaug> Wiredtape: yeah. i do need more content. [19:52:27] <Dantman> ^_^ Ignore the antispam tools and your wiki could end up like this: http://okamiworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges [19:52:28] <Dantman> heh [19:52:30] <Smaug> i realize that is the most important thing [19:53:33] <Wiredtape> Smaug, i find (and am rather stressed out by this) that the more content you have the more community you have [19:53:41] <dr_cherry> I'm also uploading radio scanner recordings to my server which would be bandwidth intensive .. so I'm a special case. [19:53:47] <Smaug> Wiredtape: yeah [19:53:54] <Smaug> Wiredtape: (also vice versa) [19:54:11] *Dantman snickers at the current state of his extension [19:54:11] <Wiredtape> my initial thoughts were.. (and i've read that others thought the same..) were that i would start the site, write about 50 articles and the community would take it from there :-) -> yeah right! [19:54:56] <dr_cherry> I just tried to upgrade from 1.10.0 to 1.12 and none of my gallery thumbnails are showing up. Any ideas? [19:55:22] <siebrand> Wiredtape: from what I have read, a Wikipedia needs about 5k-10k articles to start growing 'by itself'. [19:55:28] <Smaug> Wiredtape: yeah............that's what i was thinking too............you mean i'm going to have to actually do work? :( [19:55:45] <Smaug> :) [19:56:10] <alnokta> siebrand, what do you mean? [19:56:30] <Dantman> ^_^ I have the major portion of a Sudo extension complete... rotfl [19:56:43] <Wiredtape> dr_cherry : there was a change in the way images are handled between 1.10 and 1.12, i suggest you look and see if there's a maintenance script for fixing that.. [19:56:46] <Nikerabbit> mmmm sudo? [19:56:49] <siebrand> alnokta: that being some kind of critical mass that will mysteriously attract new users [19:56:52] <Dantman> heh [19:56:57] <Wiredtape> Smaug: hehe, :) [19:57:12] <Smaug> siebrand: where do you get the figure from [19:57:13] <dr_cherry> Wiredtape, hmmmm I'll look in the maitenance dir. [19:57:19] <Dantman> gimme a little bit to add the last ui bits and I'll commit it to my repo [19:57:28] <Smaug> siebrand: is it just what happened to WP, or to WP and other sites as well? [19:57:34] <dr_cherry> you'd think they'd have put something in the Update docs. [19:57:42] <Wiredtape> siebrand: that sounds like a reasonable figure from my experience too... but it depends a lot on how your site is linked to and how you planned the navigation [19:57:59] <siebrand> Smaug: I do not recall... It must have been a Wikipedia growth analysis somewhere (possibly meta, en.wp) [19:58:10] <Smaug> siebrand: i see [19:58:33] <siebrand> Smaug: it was as an observation for Wikipedias only, I think, but I would not be surprised if it was true in general. [19:58:44] <Smaug> ok [19:58:59] <Wiredtape> I did a wp growth analysis before i started, and i can tell you that <2 years and a lot of work, the site will still need amazing supervision.. (this is replicated not only in wiki's but in the vast majority of sites as well) [19:59:25] <Smaug> Wiredtape: dr_cherry: you guys have been a lot of help in thinking about this. now my fantasies will be more realistic. anyway, for now, and ignoring that i get ahead of myself, you think it will not be a problem in terms of future growth, that I am on shared hosting? [20:00:01] <Wiredtape> Smaug not for the forcoming year, unless you have some heavy funding, which if that was the case we wouldn't be having this conversation. [20:00:10] <siebrand> Smaug: we served 300k/pages month in Betawiki on a small vserver. [20:00:28] <dr_cherry> best of luck to you. [20:00:34] <Wiredtape> same from me [20:00:48] <Smaug> Wiredtape: dr_cherry: thanks guys [20:00:50] <siebrand> Smaug: with more reads compared to writes than bw has, you should be able to serve a lot more. [20:01:48] <Wiredtape> Smaug : np [20:02:05] <Wiredtape> siebrand: i would hope that we all have bw's read\write ratio :) [20:03:06] <siebrand> Wiredtape: yeah, well, we have a very specialised wiki. Needs a lot of optimisation, too, with 270k pages in ns 8. [20:04:25] <Wiredtape> wow, i also read your progress report from wikitech-l, congrats and way to go :) [20:05:06] <alnokta> yes he is gonna pay 1K :P [20:05:12] <Wiredtape> i saw that :) [20:05:16] <Wiredtape> 100k! [20:07:31] <MZMcBride> When was Common.js introduced? [20:07:58] <MZMcBride> MediaWiki:Common.js, that is. [20:08:35] <Wiredtape> MZMcBride : a long time ago... i dunno when exactly but it was in 1.9 already [20:08:38] <Wiredtape> afaik [20:09:21] <MZMcBride> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178 Found it. :) [20:15:28] <CIA-51> 03nikerabbit * r35817 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: * Fix redundant assignment [20:19:50] <Dantman> ^_^ Here you go Nikerabbitm Sudo http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/mediawiki-extensions/trunk/Sudo/ [20:20:07] <Dantman> ack... hate it when a , gets substituted for a m [20:22:37] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:37] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:37] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:37] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:37] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:38] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:39] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:41] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:43] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:45] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:47] <wimt> !ops [20:22:47] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "ops". You might try: !oversight [20:22:47] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:49] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:51] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:53] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:22:55] <dungodung> plsdie [20:22:55] <mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL [20:23:14] <wimt> Thanks Charitwo :-) [20:23:20] <Charitwo> np [20:23:20] <MZMcBride> :) [20:23:22] <Thehelpfulone> Dave2: mib_jb7eez> HRHRHR THE INTERNATIONAL DIESEL BRIGADES ARE BACK WE WILL SMASH YOU ALL - he was in #wikimedia-tech a minute ago - can you do something? [20:23:55] <Charitwo> whats an international diesel brigade anyway [20:24:14] <CIA-51> 03nikerabbit * r35818 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Skin.php): * Cache sidebar for all languages [20:27:17] <alnokta> Dantman, what does it do? [20:27:19] <HardDisk_WP> Charitwo, this guy is an impersonator of the german Diesel vandal [20:27:30] <Charitwo> ok [20:27:32] <Dantman> ^_^ Ever used the sudo function in bugzilla? [20:27:37] <HardDisk_WP> mib_**** operates from Bavaria [20:27:51] <HardDisk_WP> while the original Diesel comes from Dillenburg [20:27:57] <Charitwo> HardDisk_WP: mib_* is the default nick for mibbit users [20:28:05] <HardDisk_WP> yeah [20:28:14] <Dantman> It's basically like invading another users's useraccount... You just use sudo... And it's as if you logged in as them [20:28:16] <HardDisk_WP> but this impersonator always uses mibbit [20:28:42] <CIA-51> 03nikerabbit * r35819 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: [20:28:42] <CIA-51> * Revert wfMkdirParents back to old method not using recursive mkdir [20:28:42] <CIA-51> * mkdir is affected by umask [20:28:42] <CIA-51> * modifying umask is not thread safe [20:28:42] <CIA-51> * work around is to use chmod... which the old code already did [20:29:07] <alnokta> Dantman, just like sudo in linux ? [20:29:29] <Dantman> well... sudo in linux lets you run commands as root [20:29:41] <Dantman> more like [20:30:24] <Dantman> sudo -su <user> [20:32:25] <Nikerabbit> hi Dantman [20:32:25] <CIA-51> 03nikerabbit * r35820 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: * When passing invalid or nonexistent language code to wfMsgExt, fallback to English instead of some random interface language we are currently using [20:39:25] <Smaug> Dantman: is there a mw.org page for your sudo extension? [20:39:33] <Dantman|FS> No [20:39:59] <Dantman|FS> I'd create one at WikiTools... but I'm out of the mood to do that now [20:40:39] <closer_> hi [20:40:53] <closer_> how can i have the "main page" of my mediawiki site show the last 10 updated wikis? [20:41:20] <Dantman|FS> Pages? DPL [20:41:37] <Smaug> Dantman|FS: also, it does not seems useless. it sounds like it can do what Extension:EditUser can do plus loads more. [20:42:10] <CIA-51> 03nikerabbit * r35821 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MessageCache.php: (log message trimmed) [20:42:10] <CIA-51> * Second try of split message caches with changes suggested by Tim Starling and other small fixes [20:42:10] <CIA-51> * removed use of umask, wfMkdirParents works now [20:42:10] <CIA-51> * splitting of messages per language is now unconditional [20:42:11] <CIA-51> * storing cached messages in 2-d array of code => messages [20:42:13] <CIA-51> * fixed a bug in replace(), now deletion works properly [20:42:15] <CIA-51> * clear() should actually do something now [20:42:27] <^demon> There's several bugs requesting things that involve knowing who an active user is. What if a method was written into User() that takes their edit count, divides it by the number of days since registration, and if it's over a ratio (config-definable), you're considered active? [20:42:31] <Dantman|FS> Yup pretty much [20:42:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add MediaWiki:Common.js file, similar to MediaWiki:Common.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178 (10brion) [20:43:09] <Dantman|FS> And it's quite simple to [20:43:22] <Dantman|FS> Just a special page, and two small hooks [20:43:56] <Dantman|FS> ((One to kill a sudo login if you logout, and another to replace the logout link with a unsudo link when in a sudo login)) [20:44:20] <Dantman|FS> For the most part I started it as a gag extension [20:44:38] <closer_> wha [20:44:55] <Dantman|FS> Though, if people really wanted the functionality... There is potential for things like limiting to only certain users, and even limiting what you can do while in sudo [20:45:00] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Unable to upload particular file to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13551 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [20:45:47] <Dantman|FS> Don't know when I'll get to it... But one of the other ideas was to checkout and see if the UI wouldn't break if we allowed someone to login as a non-existant user and run arround like that [20:46:17] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ heh... Special:Sudo/MediaWiki_default [20:47:02] <MinuteElectron> ^demon: I don't think that makes very much sense, that method would only determine overall activity; not "current" activity. [20:47:38] <Dantman|FS> gausian fade? [20:47:57] <MinuteElectron> Nikerabbit: The bug only affected certain languages, such as ksh (I think thats it). [20:48:40] <dr_cherry> I've been looking for a script in /maintneance to fix my thumbnails and have found nothing so far .. anyone deal with this upgrading to 1.12? [20:48:42] <^demon> MinuteElectron: True. [20:48:54] <^demon> I was trying to think of how to easily implement it. [20:52:10] <^demon> MinuteElectron: There's an index on usertext_timestamp. A query to check for at least X number of contributions in last Y days might be doable. [20:52:40] <MinuteElectron> yup [20:53:40] <^demon> Still won't help bug 13585...running that on all users just to get 142290 active contributors (out of 7.5mil total) isn't efficient at all. [20:57:40] <dr_cherry> I've been looking for a script in /maintneance to fix my thumbnails and have found nothing so far .. anyone deal with this upgrading to 1.12? [20:58:56] <CIA-51> 03brion * r35822 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: [20:58:56] <CIA-51> Move bottomscripts down to just above the </body>, outside of the globalWrapper </div>. [20:58:56] <CIA-51> This seems to make JS a little more robust against horrible flaming death in MSIE -- bad HTML in site messages combined with some anonnotice DOM work has been known to cause complete page load failure. [20:58:56] <CIA-51> This might also be the cause of intermittent IE 7 load failures we haven't been able to reproduce. [21:02:35] <marclaporte> Hi! Supposing I want to install/deploy/maintain hundreds of MediaWiki instances, what would be the equivalent of http://dev.tikiwiki.org/TRIM or https://svn.bryght.com/hostmaster ? [21:06:31] <dr_cherry> ok,,, got it [21:06:45] <josch> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14257 <= any idea how i can solve this? [21:07:39] <Simetrical> marclaporte, there are multiple tools out there to do this. I haven't used them myself, so not sure what to recommend exactly. Obviously, organizations like Wikimedia and Wikia use things like this. [21:09:10] <marclaporte> ok, if someone knows more, I'd appeciate [21:13:57] <dr_cherry> what's the proper way to override thumbnail sizes in galleries? [21:19:41] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) mwsuggest.js: Let width of container be configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14398 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (mediawiki) [21:21:55] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) mwsuggest.js: Case-insensitive search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14399 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (mediawiki) [21:23:31] <wikibugs> 14(WFM) mwsuggest.js: Case-insensitive search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14399 +comment (10brion) [21:24:06] <CIA-51> 03yaron * r35823 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Added replacement of underlines with spaces [21:24:24] <siebrand> could it be that the recent changes (possibly r35821) have impacted the ability of mw cli to create directories? My extension export in Betawiki got broken :( [21:26:22] <siebrand> Having another look... I think it is actually r35819. Anyone knowledgeable able to assess this? [21:27:12] <siebrand> (Nikerabbit just went to bed) [21:28:08] <siebrand> Could this also impact creating directories for uploads and thumbs? [21:33:18] <Charitwo> rar Splarka [21:33:56] <Splarka> mew? [21:35:20] <Simetrical> Hmm, interesting Resolution there. http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11445 [21:36:51] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) DB connection error on running maintenance script "rebuildall. php" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14372 +comment (10nies.david) [21:38:00] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, newFromText( $title, $ns ) isn't a good replacement for makeTitle( $ns, $title ), is it? [21:38:10] <Splarka> mew? [21:38:16] <MrZ-man> it seems to work the same [21:38:30] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, doesn't newFromText( 'Project:Blah', 1 ) return the page for "Project:Blah" and not "Talk:Project:Blah"? [21:38:34] <Simetrical> That's what the docs suggest. [21:38:35] *Simetrical looks [21:39:02] <MrZ-man> I tested it with something like that, the output was the same [21:39:40] <MrZ-man> I think I did something like moving Talk:Foo -> Project talk:Talk:Foo [21:40:05] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, hmm. [21:41:34] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, $t = Title::newFromText( 'Talk:Blah', 3 ); echo $t->getNamespace(); --> outputs "1" [21:41:56] <Simetrical> This is what makeTitleSafe() is for, I think. [21:42:32] <Windopain> is there a page which displays all templates? [21:43:38] <MrZ-man> Simetrical: hmm, testing in eval.php seems to do that, but not when actually testing... [21:44:24] <Splarka> Windopain: [[Special:Prefixindex/Template:]] [21:44:45] <Splarka> though that will also display all documentation and other subpages, and won't include transcludable pages from other namespaces [21:44:46] <alnokta> will it be crazy if all wikis have sul ? meaning if i login once, i logged in all mediawikis installed around the web [21:44:48] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, surely you don't want break; there? [21:45:11] <Windopain> hmm better thank nothing, i think i'll create a page just for myTemplates [21:46:18] <MrZ-man> yes, if it fails its because $newPage isn't an object [21:47:36] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, don't you want continue? [21:47:43] <Simetrical> MrZ-man, break aborts processing of all the rest of the titles. [21:48:32] <MrZ-man> bleh, yes, that's what it should be [21:49:00] <Windopain> any ideas why my mediawiki installation would expire confirmation codes after emailing them to users? [21:49:06] <tekmosis> I have numerous wiki's on subdomains ie: wiki1.domain.com wiki2.domain.com; me and my users get session error messages often that prevent us from editing/uploading images etc unless we either click back + hit refresh, or log out and back in. What might cause this? [21:50:16] <wikibugs> 03(mod) mwsuggest.js: Let width of container be configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14398 (10danny_b) [21:50:20] <wikibugs> 03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114 (10danny_b) [21:50:28] <wikibugs> 03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 (10danny_b) [21:52:26] <MrZ-man> yes, Title::makeTitleSafe should be better [21:54:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:55:04] <Windopain> is this a template? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NAVFRAME [21:55:23] <siebrand> Werdna: just checking if you may have considered the following: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/gblrights?uselang=en : [21:56:04] <siebrand> Werdna: "changed global group membership for User:xx from Electcom_helpers to" (add " none") [21:57:03] <siebrand> Werdna: that would be similar to http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/rights&uselang=en [21:57:47] <Windopain> i use the NavFrame 'template' on my wiki but i'm wondering what i went through to get it enable it in the first place... this isn't available in a mediawiki installation by default, is it? [21:58:06] <CIA-51> 03simetrical * r35824 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialMovepage.php): (bug 14385) "Move subpages" option no longer tries to move to invalid titles. Patch based on one by Mr.Z-man. [21:58:21] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) "Move subpages" option attempts to move to invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14385 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:59:16] <MrZ-man> also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14386 [22:01:53] <Splarka> Windopain: all templates are user-created, a default installation has none [22:02:26] <Splarka> NavFrame requires site-wide CSS and JS, and then uses templates (but doesn't require them, just requires html and wikicode) [22:03:45] <tekmosis> If I have 30 wiki's, each wiki right now is creating a unique cookie per wiki (ie: wiki1__session, wiki2__session). This is not optimal for Apache cookie handling for a single domain. Is there anyway to make it *one* set of cookies rather than 30? [22:06:57] <Simetrical> tekmosis, I know that CentralAuth does it somehow. [22:07:10] <Simetrical> Wikimedia only sets like 5 or 10 cookies, not a thousand. [22:07:45] <tekmosis> Isn't CentralAuth coming out with 1.13? [22:08:14] <tekmosis> nm, I'm thinking something else [22:09:27] <Alexfusco5|Away> tekmosis: no its a seperate extension [22:12:42] <Soxred93> Brion, I have a proposed solution to the StatusBot you blocked [22:13:08] <Soxred93> How about it only sets users as offline, if they haven't edited in 1 hour (instead of 15 minutes) [22:13:20] <Soxred93> And also disable the LastEdit status? [22:13:53] <Simetrical> Soxred93, is this the one that wants to maintain bazillions of subpages on a wiki to track something that should be put directly in a database? [22:13:55] <Simetrical> Or one of the ones? [22:14:04] <Soxred93> One of them [22:14:06] <Simetrical> If so, write an extension and ask for that to be enabled instead of mucking around with bots, IMO. [22:14:16] <Soxred93> There already is an existing extension [22:14:32] <Soxred93> Half of the people I know love it, the others hate it [22:14:37] <Soxred93> (the bot) [22:15:09] <Soxred93> And also, a database would not work for the purpose in which it is used [22:15:25] <Soxred93> 1) The status pages are transcluded on literally hundreds of pages [22:15:34] <Soxred93> 2) Not a lot of people will check an external database [22:16:34] <siebrand> Soxred93: what about the extension OnlineStatus? [22:16:39] <Simetrical> But 3) creating ludicrous amounts of revisions is massively The Wrong Way To Do It. [22:16:46] <Soxred93> That's what I mean, Siebrand [22:17:04] <Soxred93> SO is using an external database [22:17:14] <Simetrical> I never said "external". [22:17:17] <Simetrical> I said "write an extension". [22:17:22] <siebrand> Soxred93: using a bot to update online status is nonsense with the available alternatives, IMO. [22:17:26] <siebrand> waste of resources. [22:17:27] <brion> Soxred93: does the extension do what you require? [22:17:28] <Soxred93> Simetrical, an extension is available [22:17:35] <Simetrical> So then ask for it to be used. [22:17:35] <Soxred93> I believe it dows [22:17:37] <Soxred93> does* [22:17:46] <brion> then put it on my review list (or bump its priority if it's there) [22:18:28] <Soxred93> Unfortunately, enough users are so much against a status in general, that it might not get consensus [22:18:33] <siebrand> brion: apropos... How to get insight in your review list and the current sorting of it? [22:18:37] <Soxred93> Brion, where is your review list? [22:19:10] *siebrand is particularly interested in NewUserMessage's review status :) [22:20:11] <Simetrical> Soxred93, wait, so you're not only running an insane bot, but you're *also* doing it without consensus? [22:20:29] <Soxred93> No, you misunderstand [22:20:36] <Soxred93> People are alright with a bot [22:20:37] <brion> siebrand: sorting is semirandom [22:20:39] <Soxred93> But not an extension [22:20:49] <brion> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue [22:20:57] <siebrand> brion: I figured that much :) [22:21:33] <siebrand> brion: so much to do, so little time... [22:23:51] <Soxred93> I'll work on implementing Cobi's #lastedit bug into that extension [22:26:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upgrade librsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10207 summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [22:30:51] <Windopain> Splarka: site-wide CSS and JS for NavFrame; how would that have been added to the wiki? [22:31:15] <Splarka> MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js probably [22:31:20] <Splarka> or Skinname.js/css [22:43:37] <CIA-51> 03brion * r35825 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php includes/User.php): [22:43:38] <CIA-51> Revert r35794, r35795, r35797, r35798 for now. [22:43:38] <CIA-51> Release notes claimed that this would deprecate $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups, but in fact the code made it non-functional and removed it entirely. [22:43:38] <CIA-51> Deprecation means that you *recommend against use of it*, but it continues to work. [22:45:43] <NicDumZ> wait. now, when there are, let say, two interwikis to en: on a French article, both are being displayed ? [22:46:40] <brion> NicDumZ: it's always been that way [22:47:06] <NicDumZ> amazing. I never ever noticed that [22:50:12] <Soxred93> Does $user->getOption( 'showonline' ) return true if the user is onlne? [22:50:27] <Soxred93> Where $user is User::newFromName( $username ); [22:53:00] <Windopain> where do i find the Common js and css files? [22:53:31] <Soxred93> MediaWiki:Common.js [22:53:58] <Windopain> ahh, there isn't a Common.js or css file included with the installation even? [22:54:06] <Simetrical> Windopain, it's a page on the wiki. [22:54:39] <Windopain> ahh are they both non-existant to begin with? [22:57:08] <Simetrical> Windopain, they generally both contain a comment by default. [22:59:14] <brion> Simetrical: that Title::makeName() will get sent to raw HTML; this'll be invalid HTML if it contains a & char; validator will whine :) [22:59:20] <brion> need to throw in an htmlspecialchars() [23:07:38] <wikibugs> 03(mod) New #lastedit parserfunction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14384 +comment (10Winbots) [23:14:17] <^demon> Anyone mind looking at something for me? estimateRowCount() is returning a rather odd result that's much higher than what I was expecting. [23:15:54] <^demon> http://pastey.net/88896 - $count is returning 116. Running the query myself returns 41. [23:21:19] <AaronSchulz> estimates are not accurate [23:21:30] <AaronSchulz> especially for small values [23:24:04] <^demon> So just write the raw query? [23:24:54] <AaronSchulz> what is $wgActiveUserEditcount at? [23:26:36] <^demon> For testing, I set it obscenely high for my local install, 10000 edits. [23:28:10] <AaronSchulz> well, it should never be that high right? [23:28:27] <AaronSchulz> Is this supposed to be for people active *now* or in general [23:29:12] <^demon> It'll probably be 30 edits over 30 days. [23:29:21] <^demon> But configurable, of course. [23:30:11] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: I suppose a select 1, WHERE X, limit 30 is in order [23:30:37] <AaronSchulz> FlaggedRevs does something like that for autopromote [23:31:08] <^demon> Got it working. [23:31:12] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: cache keys may be nice, for non-tiny limits [23:31:24] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: just don't do COUNT(*) [23:31:57] <^demon> Got a bit of time to help me with this this evening? I'd like to get this *right*, not just working. [23:32:16] <AaronSchulz> I need to study for a final, so I will be off and on [23:32:23] <AaronSchulz> then I need to pack tomorrow :) [23:32:35] <Charitwo> pack? :o [23:34:00] <CIA-51> 03brion * r35826 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/ (images/COPYING images/bullet_star.gif shared.css): [23:34:00] <CIA-51> Revert r35769. [23:34:00] <CIA-51> The star-shaped bullet isn't really ideal; it doesn't display properly in some browsers (overlaps with square bullet), and isn't particularly clear. [23:34:00] <CIA-51> Might be best to break the pages back out again so things are visible and accessible. [23:34:25] *Splarka grins [23:34:28] <^demon> I'll do this: Select last X number of edits, then compare on timestamp. That'll work better. [23:34:32] <Splarka> starstruck! [23:35:14] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: as long as the timestamp cutoff is still in the where clause ;) [23:36:46] <^demon> What if I selectRow, Offset X number of edits, then have the single timestamp to compare? [23:37:00] <CIA-51> 03brion * r35827 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/ (main.css rtl.css): [23:37:00] <CIA-51> Revert r35812 (link icons for RTL). [23:37:00] <CIA-51> Icons overlap text in Firefox 2 and IE 6 (seems worse in IE); haven't tested other browsers extensively yet. [23:37:32] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: look at $wgFlaggedRevsAutopromote['recentContentEdits'] [23:38:28] <AaronSchulz> brion-busy: ohh, the foundation put up some nice pics :) [23:39:26] <AaronSchulz> domas: nice pic ;) [23:39:57] <^demon> Aaron: I see what you're getting at. I'll give it another shot. [23:42:59] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: yeah, so like that, except also with timestamp > cutoff [23:46:36] <^demon> $res = $dbr->select( 'revision', '1', array( 'rev_user_text' => $this->getName(), "rev_timestamp > $oldTime" ), __METHOD__); [23:46:38] <^demon> ^ Nicer? [23:46:58] <^demon> Better than count(*) :-P [23:47:09] <CIA-51> 03brion * r35828 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: (log message trimmed) [23:47:09] <CIA-51> Revert r35819 -- broke thumbnailing. [23:47:09] <CIA-51> 10 previously passing test(s) now FAILING! :( [23:47:09] <CIA-51> * Thumbnail image caption with a free URL [Introduced between 03-Jun-2008 19:49:16, 1.13alpha (r35816) and 03-Jun-2008 23:42:22, 1.13alpha (r35827)] [23:47:11] <CIA-51> * BUG 1887: A ISBN with a thumbnail [Introduced between 03-Jun-2008 19:49:16, 1.13alpha (r35816) and 03-Jun-2008 23:42:22, 1.13alpha (r35827)] [23:47:14] <CIA-51> * BUG 1887: A RFC with a thumbnail [Introduced between 03-Jun-2008 19:49:16, 1.13alpha (r35816) and 03-Jun-2008 23:42:22, 1.13alpha (r35827)] [23:47:17] <CIA-51> * BUG 1887: A mailto link with a thumbnail [Introduced between 03-Jun-2008 19:49:16, 1.13alpha (r35816) and 03-Jun-2008 23:42:22, 1.13alpha (r35827)] [23:51:02] <^demon> brion: I guess the question is...are you opposed to removing $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups in favor of $wgGroupPermissions[]['noratelimit'] or is it ok provided I clean up my release notes? [23:51:44] <CIA-51> 03aaron * r35829 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: Make link to current not be misleading if the diff is outdated (also bug 14395) [23:51:55] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) "current revision" link leads to latest flagged revision instead of current - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14395 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:52:12] <brion> i'm not necessarily opposed to removing them, though it's easier on users if you merely deprecate it and merge the two config data sets -- then existing configs won't break [23:52:25] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: better [23:52:36] <AaronSchulz> but how you get cutoff looked bad for postgres [23:52:50] <AaronSchulz> look at how recentchanges builds the cutoff [23:53:14] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: and you forgot the limit clause [23:53:21] <AaronSchulz> you only need to find 30 [23:54:07] <^demon> So hmmmm. Think selectRow(), limit 30 edits, then compare timestamp, as opposed to comparing the timestamp in the WHERE would be best? [23:54:15] <CIA-51> 03simetrical * r35830 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialMovepage.php: As Brion points out, this needs an htmlspecialchars. [23:54:24] <^demon> brion: Thanks for the input. I'll relook at it later. [23:54:36] <TimStarling> brion: I don't think you can revert r35819, Nikerabbit introduced it to fix a bug in r35821 [23:54:45] <TimStarling> not by itself anyway [23:54:57] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: both [23:55:17] <AaronSchulz> $res = $dbr->select( 'revision', '1', array( 'rev_user_text' => $this->getName(), "rev_timestamp > $oldTime" ), __METHOD__, array('LIMIT' => 30) ); [23:55:25] <brion> well as long as that's not enabled by default i'm not sure i care atm :P [23:55:35] <AaronSchulz> ;) [23:56:00] <^demon> AaronSchulz: Gotcha. I see it now :-P [23:56:03] <TimStarling> I told him to remove the option and make it on by default [23:56:05] <brion> i'm wiped out; if you want to go ahead and tweak it go right ahead [23:56:12] <brion> i've canceled scap [23:56:19] <brion> code's upadted, serialized files half-regenerated [23:56:25] <TimStarling> and I told him to use that version of wfMkdirParents() [23:56:25] <brion> (updated on /home) [23:56:30] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: COUNT(*) does not stop until there are no more rows, you don't to use it for thinks like this [23:56:36] <brion> finish the scap when you're content :) [23:56:40] <TimStarling> alright [23:56:48] *AaronSchulz waves to brion [23:56:56] <TimStarling> I'll see if I can reproduce this parser test regression [23:57:04] <Dantman|FS> brion: ^_^ ever had a random thought when doing stuff with Mediawiki and wished there was Sudo for MW? [23:57:09] <siebrand> brion: thanks for that revert. mw cli can create directories again :) [23:57:13] <AaronSchulz> lol, with all of the new pics Tim still doesn't have a picture [23:57:33] <brion> TimStarling is actually a highly-advanced artificial intelligence program [23:57:39] <brion> so it's not possible to take a photograph [23:57:45] <Dantman|FS> TimBot! [23:57:51] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: the LIMIT is a workaround [23:57:54] <^demon> AaronSchulz: Force index? [23:57:55] <Dantman|FS> mmm.... doughnuts... [23:58:05] <AaronSchulz> ^demon: you shouldn't need that [23:58:13] <AaronSchulz> that was me just being paranoid [23:58:26] <brion> TimStarling: it was also hitting my live test wiki; i was seeing client-scaled images instead of the generated thumbs [23:58:28] <AaronSchulz> there is a user_text,timestamp index, it should be smart enough to use it [23:58:32] <Simetrical> Force index -> :( [23:58:33] <brion> (looked like a silent fallback) [23:58:42] <brion> so presumably something's failing out unexpectedly [23:58:56] <brion> didn't investigate it in detail :) [23:59:08] *Splarka wonders who rendered the photographical wireframe construct at angtim.com then