[00:24:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  (10jeroenvrp)
[00:30:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  (10brion)
[00:39:07] <metanil>	i just install mediawiki.. but i can't access Special:UserRights page
[00:47:09] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35960 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Revert r35901 -- UI regressions (ipb_already_blocked appears to have changed format, spewing giant red HTML all over everything)
[00:47:44] <Charitwo>	spew
[01:46:01] <bazz>	if i have an extension that calls $wgUser->setOption('newOptionName','newOptionVal') on the current user, do i need to call $wgUser->saveSettings() right away?
[01:49:01] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35961 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:49:01] <CIA-51>	* (bug 14401) Fix Safari access key tooltips for Windows and >3.1 Mac versions
[01:49:01] <CIA-51>	Now shows 'alt' for Safari on Windows, 'ctrl+alt' for Webkit >= 526 on Mac, and 'ctrl' for older WebKit/Safari on Mac (confirmed w/ 3.1 and WebKit nightlies)
[01:49:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hotkeys in Safari Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14401  +comment (10brion)
[01:49:55] <metanil>	i just install mediawiki.. but i can't access Special:UserRights page
[01:55:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) accountcreator user right not bypassing account creation limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14424 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (overlordq)
[02:28:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow multiple categories for categorymembers list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14425 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (jutiphan)
[02:40:11] <Smaug>	so, 1.13 is coming out soon
[02:41:32] <Smaug>	now, I have 1.11.  I'm going to eventually upgrade to 1.13.  I was planning to upgrade to 1.12 and then to 1.13, so that if I had any problems I could narrow down where the error was.  Should I be worried about this?  Is it just as safe and easy to address any resulting problems upgrading from 1.11 to 1.13  as it is going 1.11 to 1.12 to 1.13?
[02:42:07] <Skizzerz>	Smaug: uh, just go straight from 1.11 to 1.13, there shouldn't be any issues
[02:42:26] <Smaug>	Skizzerz: alright.  thanks for the assurances.
[02:42:30] <Skizzerz>	np
[02:42:49] <Skizzerz>	just make sure that you back up your db and old files first just in case some freak even occurrs
[02:43:11] <Smaug>	definately i will
[02:43:18] <Skizzerz>	then svn co the 1.13 branch and run the update.php script, which should handle all the schema changes
[02:43:37] <Smaug>	i don't use svn
[02:43:44] <Smaug>	i installed just using FTP
[02:43:49] <Skizzerz>	that works too :P
[02:44:01] <Smaug>	i'm not sure if I have "shell access," I can still run update.php right?
[02:44:14] <Skizzerz>	you'll need shell access (aka SSH) to run update.php
[02:44:28] <Skizzerz>	if you don't have that access, rename LocalSettings.php and re-run the web installer
[02:44:34] <Smaug>	alright
[02:44:50] <Smaug>	sounds good.
[03:48:44] <AaronSchulz>	Dear VoABot II,
[03:48:46] <AaronSchulz>	You are eligible to vote in the 2008 elections for the Board of
[03:48:48] <AaronSchulz>	Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, ...
[03:48:50] <AaronSchulz>	nice email ;)
[03:49:33] <OverlordQ>	proxy votes :D
[03:52:05] <metanil>	whats the default password for Admin right after installation????
[03:52:40] <OverlordQ>	whatever you set it too during installation
[04:12:19] <romco>	hello all , i try to find out how to display partial content of one special page(SpecialNewpages.php) on the main page in a table....can anybody point me in the right direction?  
[04:20:17] <Splarka>	transclude it, via {{Special:Newpages/10}} for example
[04:39:37] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35962 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[04:52:18] <samanime>	Hello. How can I block creating new accounts?
[04:52:32] <samanime>	And, on the same note, how can I manually create new logins?
[04:53:07] <nakonisaway>	samanime: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[04:53:21] <samanime>	Thanks.
[05:04:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) service links don't work for many-valued properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14426 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[05:11:48] <samanime>	Also, what is the easiest way to set up the "pretty links"?
[05:11:53] <samanime>	And does anyone know why it isn't parsing my closing dt and dd tags?
[05:12:05] <samanime>	I have $wgRawHTML=true
[05:12:16] <samanime>	So doesn't that mean it should just allow whatever HTML I type?
[05:14:42] <Splarka>	raw (unsanitized) html has to appear inside dummy <html></html> tags IIRC
[05:15:44] <samanime>	Ah. Though, it looks like dt and dd are enabled by default anyways, so shouldn't it be parsed properly?
[05:16:24] <Splarka>	dl, dd, dt should be allowed, are you closing them in the proper order?
[05:17:47] <samanime>	Yeah, I have them as I would if I was writing regular HTML.
[05:18:14] <Splarka>	ahh, dd/dt have to be wrapped in dl
[05:18:21] <samanime>	For example, I have "<dl><dt>Cities</dt>".
[05:18:22] <samanime>	They are.
[05:18:26] <Splarka>	try <dl><dd>bar</dd></dl>
[05:18:28] <samanime>	That's the very start of the page.
[05:18:45] <samanime>	And that </dt> isn't parse (so it's &lt;/dt&gt;)
[05:18:47] <Splarka>	do you have tidy enabled?
[05:18:57] <samanime>	If it isn't enabled by default, no.
[05:19:11] <Splarka>	did you try that with <dl><dt>Cities</dt></dl> ?
[05:19:24] <Splarka>	in XHTML you need to close *all* tags
[05:19:40] <samanime>	Yeah, they are all closed.
[05:19:58] <Splarka>	still doesn't work? well, you could use wikicode then
[05:20:03] <samanime>	I do professional web programming, so I'm confident that my HTML code is correct.
[05:20:06] <Splarka>	:this is a dd
[05:20:13] <Splarka>	;this is a dt:followed by a dd
[05:20:25] <Splarka>	but try enabling tidy too
[05:20:46] <samanime>	I reduced it to just "<dl><dt>Cities</dt></dl>" and it still displays it as 'Cities</dt>"
[05:20:57] <Splarka>	what version of mediawiki?
[05:21:17] <samanime>	The latest. I just installed it.
[05:21:35] <Xiong>	for definition lists, i strongly recommend a template
[05:21:46] <Xiong>	in theory, the simple markup ought to be enough
[05:21:59] <Splarka>	samanime: try <html><dl><dt>Cities</dt></dl></html> just to see
[05:22:00] <Xiong>	but somehow i never get quite the effect i like
[05:22:38] <samanime>	This is a private wiki for just a handful of developers, and since I don't know the wikicode stuff, I figure it'd be faster to just use HTML.
[05:22:48] <Splarka>	btw: "pretty links" as in short URLs without index.php ?
[05:22:52] <Xiong>	template syntax in this case will be easier
[05:23:10] <Splarka>	Xiong: true, but this html bug is interesting and worth squishing
[05:23:11] <samanime>	Adding <html></html> around it fixed the problem.
[05:23:19] <samanime>	Yeah. Like www.mywiki.com/mypage
[05:23:20] <Xiong>	{{define|term|definition}}
[05:23:24] <Splarka>	because </dt> *should* work
[05:23:27] <Splarka>	!shorturl
[05:23:27] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[05:23:41] <samanime>	Nice.
[05:24:01] <Splarka>	also: really, if you try to use www.mywiki.com/mypage instead of www.mywiki.com/wiki/mypage you'll almost definitely be back.. several times, trying to debug problems with it
[05:24:09] <Splarka>	it is a pain
[05:24:12] <Xiong>	yes
[05:24:18] <Xiong>	follow the traditional structure
[05:24:26] <Splarka>	null article path = pain for you and us
[05:24:27] <Xiong>	with the entire install in /www/w/
[05:24:54] <Xiong>	but urls will be /wiki/ after short url fix
[05:25:03] <Splarka>	even if you have www.mywiki.com/w/mypage it is muchbetter, you can set up a custom 404 handler to meta redirect any / to /w/ too
[05:25:33] <samanime>	Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean exactly www.wiki.com/mypage...
[05:25:37] <Splarka>	k ^_^
[05:25:51] <samanime>	I have another of my sites set up that way, and it is a pain to manage... took me forever to tweak the .htaccess just right.
[05:26:17] <Splarka>	anyway, for a dd, a newline followed by a colon, and for a dt/dd pair, a newline followed by a semicolon, and the first colon in the string closes the dt and opens a dd
[05:26:42] <Splarka>	grouping them together makes them use the same dl, usually
[05:26:53] <Splarka>	and you can embed them (this is the main format used on wiki talk pages)
[05:26:57] <Splarka>	:this is a talk page comment
[05:27:02] <Splarka>	::this is an indented reply
[05:27:04] <Splarka>	etc
[05:27:32] <aomark1>	has there been any effort to properly specify the mediawiki template language, such that it could be fully implemented within other systems?
[05:27:39] <Xiong>	i have no problem with talk page indenting with : -- in fact i insist on it
[05:27:42] <samanime>	Is there a quick page for that? Because I'm sure I won't remember all that lol.
[05:27:55] <Xiong>	but i repeat, you'll do better with a template for definitions
[05:28:19] <Xiong>	easier to use and you *will* remember it
[05:28:31] <Xiong>	do you want me to set it up for you, and you can try it?
[05:28:31] <Splarka>	aomark1: the basis it is pretty simple, {{{}}} and {{}}
[05:29:08] <Splarka>	samanime: there is a wikicode cheatsheet somewhere (probably several)
[05:29:35] <Splarka>	aomark1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preprocessor_ABNF
[05:29:41] <Xiong>	(this is the short url approach i'm using -- works great for me on a freehost MW install: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access)
[05:29:48] <Splarka>	the problem is, it is too easy to add new markup via extension.
[05:30:48] <Splarka>	but basically, template syntax is: {{transclusion}} of a named page (in template namespace unless specified) but inclusive of magic words (simple variable injection), and parser functions (parameter-based text/transclusion injection)
[05:31:39] <Splarka>	but check the "ideal" processor rules for order
[05:31:44] <aomark1>	hmm -- thanks all
[05:31:58] <Xiong>	no offense splarka but i even know what you're saying and i still don't understand it on the second reading
[05:32:21] <Splarka>	the messy bit is resolving {{{}}} parameters and {{}} calls, along with [[]] links, [] external links, broken code, etc
[05:32:35] <Splarka>	indeed
[05:32:44] <Splarka>	I have no idea how it does any of this either
[05:32:50] <Xiong>	you've given the formal definition, which is cool, but don't you think examples would be more useful for the beginner?
[05:33:03] <Splarka>	I just know what it does because I spent some months debugging it during the migration
[05:33:10] <Splarka>	heh
[05:33:23] <aomark1>	I'm thinking about trying a python implementation
[05:33:35] <Splarka>	{{template}} first checks if it is a registered core parser function or extension registered parser function (inclusive of magic words)
[05:33:53] <Xiong>	samanime: do you want me to set up a template on your wiki so that you can experiment with it?
[05:33:57] <Splarka>	parser functions usually start with a hash, like {{#tag}} or {{#if}} meaning there can be no conflict
[05:33:58] <aomark1>	yeah the extensions are really where this gets difficult to port
[05:34:04] <Xiong>	if you don't like it, you can ignore it or delete it
[05:34:05] <samanime>	Sure.
[05:34:09] <Splarka>	almost all extension parser functions have hash
[05:34:24] <samanime>	I'll probably be setting up a public one of these for this project in the future, so it's good to learn all I can.
[05:34:32] <Splarka>	also, parameters to parser functions are first delimited with a pipe
[05:34:42] <aomark1>	is there a list of extensions being used by wikipedia currently?
[05:34:46] <Splarka>	{{#foo:bar|baz}} is a parser function, {{foo|bar|baz}} is a template
[05:34:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[05:35:00] <aomark1>	thanks
[05:35:18] <Splarka>	so, if there is no parser function or magic word that matches that syntax, then a page by that name is looked for
[05:35:33] <Splarka>	{{foo}} would look for Template:Foo, as would {{Template:foo}}
[05:35:55] <Splarka>	{{User:Foo}} would look for User:Foo as User is a valid namespace
[05:36:20] <Splarka>	{{Foo:Foo}} would look for Template:Foo:Foo  *unless* Foo: was a valid custom or localized namespace
[05:36:33] <Splarka>	{{:Foo}} would look for the page [[Foo]] in the main namespace
[05:36:57] <Splarka>	there are some subversive deviations of this, like int: msg: msgnw: raw: subst: etc
[05:37:08] <Splarka>	see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words for details on those
[05:37:38] <aomark1>	all useful, thanks splarka
[05:38:01] <Splarka>	{{{1}}} is a template argument, example, calling {{foo|bar}}, it would grab Template:Foo and replace {{{1}}} with "bar"
[05:38:07] <CIA-51>	03shinjiman * r35963 10/trunk/extensions/ (AntiBot/AntiBot.i18n.php TorBlock/TorBlock.i18n.php): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[05:38:16] <Splarka>	a fallback is delimited with a pipe, eg: {{{1|default if no parameter specified}}}
[05:38:29] <Splarka>	parameters can be named: {{foo|name=bar}} -> {{{name}}}
[05:39:08] <Splarka>	those are the basics, see the preprocessor code for workings, and for more depth see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[05:39:48] <Splarka>	and to get into esoteric stuff, like transcluding the name of a template, {{{{foo}}|bar}} see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template
[05:40:17] <Splarka>	but if there is one thing history has taught this channel, making an identical parser in another language is semi-futile
[05:40:55] *Splarka 	pokles Tim to correct him on anything he completely got wrong ^_^
[05:41:02] <aomark1>	:)
[05:41:53] <OverlordQ>	what was the quote again? "The last person to investigate the parser internals diaappears and never came back"
[05:42:00] <Splarka>	samanime: sorry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
[05:42:02] <OverlordQ>	*disappeared
[05:42:10] <Xiong>	no no overlord
[05:42:13] <Xiong>	he came back
[05:42:19] <Splarka>	he came back as a pod person!
[05:42:37] <Splarka>	"here, put this alien egg next to your bed when you sleep"
[05:42:42] <Xiong>	no, if you just browse randomly, you'll see bits and pieces of him transcluded all over the place
[06:10:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) service links don't work for many-valued properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14426  (10info)
[06:35:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  password on automatic created accounts does not work after sul deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14330  (10tstarling)
[06:35:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  +comment (10tstarling)
[07:01:32] <kicadp>	hi
[07:02:32] <kicadp>	any way to install other themes ?
[07:15:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Pali Bahasa Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14427 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (justinkoavf)
[07:15:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Wolof Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14428 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (justinkoavf)
[07:15:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Zhuang Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14429 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (justinkoavf)
[07:17:01] <flyingparchment>	oh yeah, closing a couple of projects is totally critical
[07:17:29] <OverlordQ>	THINK OF THE CHILDREN! or something like that
[07:18:28] <Splarka>	critical critics
[07:19:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please close Pali Bahasa Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14427  04CRIT->normal;  +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[07:19:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please close Wolof Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14428  04CRIT->normal;  +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[07:20:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please close Zhuang Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14429  04CRIT->normal;  +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[07:23:40] <_wooz>	lo
[07:29:45] <flyingparchment>	"Click here to customize your widget"
[07:29:49] <flyingparchment>	that sounds kind of dirty
[07:30:44] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[07:31:05] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ perhaps we should create a new extension called Gidgets
[07:31:43] <Dantman|FS>	thingamagig!
[07:31:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't turn off "further results" with format=embedded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14430 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[07:32:18] <flyingparchment>	semitic mediawiki?  what is that, some zionist conspiracy?
[07:33:15] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ No, it's a new cult sweaping the wiki world.... Join, join, JOIN!!! rotfl
[07:34:04] <Dantman|FS>	I believe the intent is to semanticize the people, then nuter them of their semantic data...
[07:34:46] <Splarka>	jews did {{9||}}
[07:36:27] <Dantman|FS>	Eh? Trying to put a semantic OR into your template Splarky? That only works when you're [[square]]...
[07:36:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If there are no differences between two revisions, then say "No differences". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14431 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (nickpj)
[07:37:08] <Splarka>	no, two null but defined parameters
[07:37:19] <Splarka>	valid wikicode
[07:37:24] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[07:37:29] <Splarka>	cue Dan saying "that's wikitext! I trademarked 'wikicode'"
[07:37:53] <Splarka>	which makes as much sense as calling an extension "Semantic"
[07:37:59] <Dantman|FS>	heh, I think it's been genericized by now... ^_^ Like Klenex
[07:38:37] <Dantman|FS>	Hmm.... right, I was going to post to wikitech-l about Tor stuff
[07:38:52] <Dantman|FS>	Sponge cake anyone?
[07:39:23] *Splarka 	tosses Dantman|FS into the Total Perspective Vortex
[07:45:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) undefined variable options in SpecialNewpages. php in r35961 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14432 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (nickpj)
[07:45:59] <saint_>	hi all
[07:47:02] <saint_>	I have a quick question.. I just installed and configured my Wiki, and it says in the doc. to add the $wgLog value in LocalSettings.php , before the "?>" ... The thing is that I do not have the end-of-php in this file.. I have 125 lines. Can someone tell me if I am missing something ? 
[07:48:02] <Nikerabbit>	!rev 35961
[07:48:02] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "rev". You might try: !access !exclamation !flaggedrevs !lockdown !moderation !oversight !preventaccess !preventingaccess !protect !r !revert !rights !rollback !toc !undo !userrights !wysiwyg 
[07:48:13] <Nikerabbit>	!r 35961
[07:48:13] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=35961
[07:48:29] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[07:48:40] <Nikerabbit>	why put revision there if it is not the culprit
[07:48:50] <Raymond_>	saint_: ?> is not necessary. you can add $wgLog at the end of the file
[07:49:30] <saint_>	Raymond_, ok, i just though i did not have a complete file ..
[07:52:45] <zeev>	hi, does wikisource also uses mediawiki?
[07:53:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) the ~ "like" comparator doesn't work for many-valued properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13479  (10info)
[07:54:06] <Splarka>	zeev: http://wikimedia.org/ 
[07:55:23] <zeev>	I see it there but how does it answer the question?
[07:55:37] <Splarka>	or check http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Version
[07:55:57] <Splarka>	well, all wikimedia wikis use mediawiki...
[07:56:13] <zeev>	o... thats what I needed, thank you
[07:56:41] <zeev>	another thing: is there a user guide for offline reading?
[07:57:06] <zeev>	in pdf or html tar ball?
[08:00:09] <zeev>	strange... there is no user guide for offline reading?
[08:00:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) #ifexist:Image and #ifexist: Media return False all the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14433 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (stephane.roucheray)
[08:22:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:categoriespagetext should offer links to Special :UnusedCategories, and possibly Special:WantedCategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14434 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:25:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Two parser tests need update - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14435 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (mormegil)
[08:26:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki:categoriespagetext should offer links to Special: UnusedCategories, and possibly Special:WantedCategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14434  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:31:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) IPv6 problem - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14436 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (shizhao)
[08:32:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Can't turn off "further results" with format=embedded - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14430  (10markus)
[08:32:21] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35964 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_Embedded.php: Fixed Bug 14430: Can't turn off "further results" with format=embedded
[08:34:25] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) IPv6 problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14436  +comment (10river)
[08:35:18] <CIA-51>	03jojo * r35965 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php pdf-server/pdf-server.py): do not use full URL in query, just the command for PDF server
[08:37:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IPv6 problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14436  04CRIT->normal; normal->highest (10shizhao)
[08:46:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IPv6 problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14436  (10shizhao)
[08:51:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hotkeys in Safari Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14401  (10hartman)
[09:08:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  MergeAccount should assign never-been-used accounts to the global account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14416  +comment (10WJBscribe)
[09:19:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If only ?diff= is given, tabs and categories are the ones of the Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14437 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:19:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If only ?diff= is given, tabs and categories are the ones of the Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14437  15enhancement->minor; normal->low (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:35:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Option not to receive confirmation of marking an article patrolled ( or Ajax?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7851  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:35:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrolling revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14004  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:37:48] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Patrolling revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14004  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:37:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use Ajax for patrolled edit marking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11002  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:38:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Option not to receive confirmation of marking an article patrolled ( or Ajax?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7851  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:38:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AJAX (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14123  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrolling revision should not end on separate page, use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11002  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:39:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Option not to receive confirmation of marking an article patrolled ( or Ajax?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7851  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:42:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a "patrol" tab/ link for unpatrolled pages on wikis with new page patrol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12572  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:42:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) int:sitesupport, int: sitesupport-url not updated from svn version of MessagesKsh.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14438 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:43:09] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Using Enhanced Recentchanges, grouped edits should be patrollable simultaneously - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12573  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:43:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:58:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Undo should auto-patrol reverted revision, like rollback does - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14439 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Patroller; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:03:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:08:06] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35966 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: Fix XHTML error: <p> are automatically added by wfMsgWikiHtml()
[10:10:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Undo should auto-patrol reverted revisions, like a rollback does - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14439  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:34:28] <zeev>	is there a way to copy all Help section in order to read it offline?
[11:13:19] <Yorlik>	Hello ! Is anyone here with experience with loss of session data in mediawiki when editing ?
[11:26:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) need extra parameters in ask queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14440 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mrandmrsmurphy)
[12:00:33] <zeev>	hi, i try to import all the Help section of mediawiki for offline reading - I enter this  http://paste.debian.net/5468/  to Export pages form and save the generated xml file, but when I upload this file I don't get the pages... what am I doing wrong?
[12:06:26] <zeev>	anybody here?
[12:06:34] <zeev>	can you read my messages?
[12:08:02] <VasilievVV>	!ask | zeev
[12:08:02] --mwbot--	zeev: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[12:08:06] <VasilievVV>	Ah
[12:08:09] <VasilievVV>	I see
[12:08:15] <zeev>	hi, i try to import all the Help section of mediawiki for offline reading - I enter this  http://paste.debian.net/5468/  to Export pages form and save the generated xml file, but when I upload this file I don't get the pages... what am I doing wrong?
[12:09:50] <VasilievVV>	zeev: check the size of exported dump
[12:10:02] <zeev>	its about 1M
[12:10:06] <zeev>	not too much
[12:10:26] <VasilievVV>	Do you import is using Special:Import?
[12:10:33] <zeev>	yes
[12:11:12] <VasilievVV>	Hm...
[12:11:18] <VasilievVV>	What does it output?
[12:11:22] <Duesentrieb>	zeev: have you looked into the file to verify that it's valid xml?
[12:11:28] <zeev>	check, please, whether the list I have provided is the correct one
[12:11:36] <zeev>	by exporting it
[12:11:44] <zeev>	I get no error messages
[12:11:56] <VasilievVV>	Do you get a list of imported pages?
[12:12:00] <Duesentrieb>	also... what's your content language setting? I think if the Help namespace is called something else, this may cause confusion. not sure though
[12:12:34] <zeev>	yes I get the list of imported pages - but they are empty
[12:12:41] <zeev>	most of them
[12:12:49] <Duesentrieb>	zeev: well, it will export the pages you listed. and when you import the xml, the pages on that list should exist on your wiki, if they existed on the source wiki.
[12:12:58] <Duesentrieb>	hm? most?
[12:13:14] <zeev>	yes, some of them do have contents
[12:13:25] <Duesentrieb>	are you sure you are exporting from the right wiki?
[12:13:38] <Duesentrieb>	what's the full url of Special:Export yopu are using?
[12:13:50] <zeev>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[12:13:55] <zeev>	from there
[12:13:56] <Duesentrieb>	wrong wiki
[12:14:09] <Duesentrieb>	you should be exporting from www.mediawiki.org
[12:14:14] <Duesentrieb>	not meta.wikimedia.org
[12:14:20] <zeev>	oops...
[12:14:36] <Duesentrieb>	:P#
[12:14:37] <zeev>	what should I write to the Category in export form?
[12:14:44] <Duesentrieb>	nothing
[12:14:51] <zeev>	(thanks I'll check it)
[12:14:58] <Duesentrieb>	that's just an alternative way to list pages
[12:15:05] <Duesentrieb>	if you already have a list, you don't need it
[12:15:17] <zeev>	how do I delete all the pages that I have created by importing?
[12:15:48] <Duesentrieb>	I have no idea, i'm afraid.
[12:16:09] <Duesentrieb>	I'd just import over them.
[12:16:17] <Duesentrieb>	for the ones with no content, that should just work
[12:16:42] <Duesentrieb>	if there was content, may see content from the wrong page, depending on which one was edited more recently
[12:22:54] <zeev>	wait a second - why do you say its a wrong wiki
[12:22:56] <zeev>	?
[12:23:18] <zeev>	I should be able to export anything from any place, no?
[12:24:04] <Duesentrieb>	zeev: sure, but those pages are not on that wiki.
[12:24:13] <Duesentrieb>	the help pages are mainteained at www.mediawiki.org
[12:24:41] <zeev>	hm... ok...
[12:24:44] <Duesentrieb>	that you don't get an error message when trying to export a non-existing pages is simply a sad fact of life
[12:25:20] <Duesentrieb>	though it's admittedly not trivial to show an error message when at the same time serving an xml file for download.
[12:25:28] <Duesentrieb>	actually, hhtp doesn't allow this, really
[12:25:32] <Duesentrieb>	*http
[12:25:52] <flyingparchment>	show the error page, make it redirect to the xml file
[12:26:41] <Duesentrieb>	that would mean buffering the xml, and it only works with a disposition-header, for bropwsers that actually support that.
[12:26:48] <Duesentrieb>	but yea, it would be worth a try
[12:26:54] <Duesentrieb>	my approach would be to write the error into the xml
[12:27:06] <Duesentrieb>	and show it on import. or do both
[12:27:28] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, /me is going down for reboot.
[12:30:09] <zeev>	do I need to write Help:name of page or just
[12:30:13] <zeev>	name of page 
[12:30:17] <zeev>	while exporting?
[12:30:25] <CIA-51>	03nikerabbit * r35967 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateTasks.php: * Fix warnings
[12:36:07] <zeev>	thank you, it seemed to work
[13:03:34] <siebrand>	VasilVV|Eating: would you consider making a tweak in the image redirects? Example: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CA_rule_66.png?uselang=en
[13:03:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If only ?diff= is given, tabs and categories are the ones of the Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14437  +comment (10danny_b)
[13:03:59] <siebrand>	VasilVV|Eating: see links section. All the redirect sources are mentioned twice. Looks like overkill.
[13:14:57] <VasilievVV>	siebrand: I see, no ideas, I think query for it would be rather expensive
[13:16:02] <VasilievVV>	siebrand: it wouldn't happen if we used Special:Whatlinkshere
[13:17:18] <siebrand>	VasilievVV: deduct the redirected array from the 'used' array?
[13:17:30] <VasilievVV>	siebrand: nice idea
[13:17:54] <siebrand>	VasilievVV: I don't think like a programmer. That helps sometimes :)
[13:18:16] <VasilievVV>	Redirects were added to "Image links" after me
[13:36:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) dumpBackup gives error for DatabaseMysql::setTimeout() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14441 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (tderouin)
[13:37:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unified Login: Accounts were attached yesterday, but today they are unattached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14309  (10jeroenvrp)
[14:01:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SIMILE Timeline is broken by displaying bulleted or numbered lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14442 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (pcaravelli)
[14:09:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to nonexistent superpages on subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6833  +comment (10urkle)
[14:18:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Short notation links to subpages don't work in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14080  (10urkle)
[14:19:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Short notation links to subpages don't work in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14080   +patch (10urkle)
[15:06:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If only ?diff= is given, tabs and categories are the ones of the Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14437  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:07:30] <CIA-51>	03rotem * r35968 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[15:20:21] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) If only ?diff= is given, tabs and categories are the ones of the Main_Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14437  +comment (10ktc)
[15:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Diff without page name in URL does not link to page in question - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238  +comment (10ktc)
[15:35:10] <brion>	+	$out->addHtml( wfMsgWikiHtml( 'gadgets-prefstext' ) . "\n" );  <- this looks a bit odd to me
[15:35:14] <tuxman>	hi there
[15:37:18] <ialex>	brion: you'd prefer $out->addWikiMsg() ?
[15:37:35] <brion>	prolly yeah :)
[15:39:46] <ialex>	$msgOpt = array( 'parseinline', 'parsemag' ); <- hmm, there's a conflict with these options
[15:40:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) successful edit causes server to return HTTP 500 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14443 major; normal; MediaWiki: API; (russblau)
[15:42:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) successful edit causes server to return HTTP 500 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14443  (10brion)
[15:45:41] <CIA-51>	03ialex * r35969 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: 
[15:45:41] <CIA-51>	* Use $wgOut->addWikiMsg() instead of $wgOut->addHtml( wfMsgWikiHtml() ) as brion pointed out
[15:45:41] <CIA-51>	* Remove parsermag option to wfMsgExt(), parseinline override it
[15:54:02] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35970 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: 
[15:54:02] <CIA-51>	* (bug 14424) Fix regression in $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups support
[15:54:02] <CIA-51>	Fixes logic error introduced in r35908.
[15:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) accountcreator user right not bypassing account creation limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14424  +comment (10brion)
[15:57:53] <TIRC_6360>	hello
[15:58:02] <TIRC_6360>	!list?
[15:58:02] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "list?". You might try: !list 
[15:59:30] <ialex>	O_o
[16:08:32] <Fire>	o_O
[16:10:38] *Charitwo 	plays cards with ialex and Fire
[16:11:01] <ialex>	o_O :)
[16:11:16] <Charitwo>	morning :)
[16:11:51] <ialex>	it's 18:11 here :)
[16:13:57] <brion>	don't play with fire Charitwo 
[16:13:59] <brion>	you could get burned!
[16:14:21] <Charitwo>	:o
[16:14:29] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Dump the article titles lists (all-titles-in-ns0.gz) unsorted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14415  +comment (10hippytrail)
[16:14:41] *Charitwo 	vandalises his userpage
[16:14:57] <ialex>	:D
[16:14:58] *alnokta 	reverts
[16:23:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ajax search feature does not work in modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14444 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Modern skin; (urkle)
[16:30:09] <Fire>	brion doesnt like me :-(
[16:31:01] <VasilievVV>	Fire: he's just very busy
[16:31:15] <VasilievVV>	And usually ignores you only on some questions
[16:31:18] <VasilievVV>	Look
[16:31:27] <brion>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fire !
[16:31:42] <VasilievVV>	brion: any chances to get FlaggedRevs installed on ruwiki soon? :(
[16:31:52] <Charitwo>	he has time enough to crack a few jokes 
[16:32:40] <VasilievVV>	Charitwo: sure. Even if you're very busy, you'll always find time to: 1) joke; 2) flame
[16:33:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ajax search feature does not work in modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14444  (10brion)
[16:34:05] <brion>	VasilievVV: no rush. i think we need to do some testing of per-page configs before furthe rrollouts
[16:34:31] <VasilievVV>	okay then
[16:34:56] <VasilievVV>	I just was happy because of that Erik's message
[16:36:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hotkeys in Safari Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14401  (10brion)
[16:38:23] <brion>	heh
[16:38:36] <brion>	erik lifts, i crush your hopes :D
[16:41:22] <Stef48-fr>	Can i have help for a css code ?
[16:42:36] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35971 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialNewpages.php): * (bug 14432) Fix notice regression in Special:Newpages feed mode
[16:42:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) undefined variable options in SpecialNewpages.php in r35961 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14432  +comment (10brion)
[16:48:03] <brion>	aww
[16:53:50] <AndreU>	hi there!
[16:54:33] <AndreU>	anyone knows a good mediawiki hoster who allows installation of extensions minimal layout change?
[16:56:00] <CIA-51>	03gri6507 * r35972 10/trunk/extensions/WhoIsWatching/ (SpecialWhoIsWatching.php SpecialWhoIsWatching_body.php): v0.6 - Optionally disable the feature to make other users watch the page.
[17:03:37] <Subfader>	Hi. I'M writing a gadget that affects category pages with  if( (wgNamespaceNumber == 14)  How can I set that it only affects Category pages being in a certeain subcategory?
[17:11:36] <brion>	Subfader: well, you could have it check for the present category links at the bottom of the page
[17:12:55] <Subfader>	yep got an extension doing sth similar
[17:13:10] <CIA-51>	03alnokta * r35973 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: Adding Anonymous Dissident
[17:13:13] <Subfader>	$dbr->select('categorylinks', 'cl_to', ...
[17:13:22] <Subfader>	but no idea how to merge to my gadget code
[17:16:24] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35974 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: parser test fix from https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14435
[17:16:29] <^demon>	brion: I'll clean up the omg giant warning message today.
[17:16:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Two parser tests need update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14435  +comment (10brion)
[17:16:42] <brion>	thx ^demon :D
[17:16:56] <^demon>	Very needed feature, just needs a bit of UI cleanup, you're right.
[17:17:15] <brion>	Subfader: there should be an id or something on the category links box, so not that difficult in theory to go trawling through its  contents looking for links with a certain name
[17:18:37] <Subfader>	ah. is it a lighter db load than checking against 'cl_to' in 'categorylinks' if its always the just 1 or 3 categories to be checked against?
[17:19:03] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  summary; +comment (10crochet.david)
[17:19:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IPv6 problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14436  (10brion)
[17:21:20] <^demon>	brion: Was the only complaint you had was class='error' being attached?
[17:23:08] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) int:sitesupport, int: sitesupport-url not updated from svn version of MessagesKsh.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14438  +comment (10brion)
[17:23:40] <brion>	^demon: lemme upload a screen shot fo rya
[17:23:51] <^demon>	okies.
[17:24:41] <Xiong>	why are the utterances of wikibugs/CIA prefixed with a zero ("0")?
[17:24:57] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Already-blocked_display_error_example.png
[17:25:21] <brion>	Xiong: something wrong with your irc client's color interpretation perhaps?
[17:25:52] <Xiong>	is it supposed to be in a weird color instead?
[17:25:56] <Xiong>	yuk
[17:25:59] <MinuteElectron>	green
[17:26:10] <^demon>	brion: That's rather icky.
[17:26:22] <Subfader>	ok i have the ID. is there a way to do sth like  if( (wgPageID == X) ?
[17:27:15] <Xiong>	my client is shadowirc, it has its own set of colors for various purposes
[17:27:22] <Xiong>	you shouldn't try to override them
[17:27:32] <brion>	Subfader: ok, so you're on say http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Algebra
[17:27:59] <brion>	pull up document.getElementById('catlinks')
[17:28:08] <brion>	go through its various child descendents looking for links
[17:28:15] <brion>	check them for the desired parent category
[17:28:46] <brion>	alternatively, make a JSON call to the web service API
[17:29:13] <brion>	[which might be more future-proof and reliable, versus screen-scraping :D]
[17:29:25] <^demon>	brion: That's really odd, as the version I put in SVN is valid XHTML.
[17:29:41] <brion>	^demon: well it looks like something's getting double-escaped
[17:29:52] <brion>	please compare also to whatever the message currently is on the live wiki
[17:29:54] <Subfader>	uh full stop :O i'm not that much into php/MW to understand what you said, but I'll note down
[17:30:28] <^demon>	brion: Yeah, I'm working on it. Just is a bit odd.
[17:33:54] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) dumpBackup gives error for DatabaseMysql::setTimeout() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14441  +comment (10brion)
[17:35:50] <CIA-51>	03mkroetzsch * r35975 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2_Queries.php: Support for querying naries in new storage implementation
[17:38:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dumpBackup gives error for DatabaseMysql::setTimeout() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14441  (10tderouin)
[17:45:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dumpBackup gives error for DatabaseMysql::setTimeout() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14441  (10brion)
[17:47:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #ifexist:Image and #ifexist:Media return False all the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14433  (10brion)
[17:48:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dumpBackup gives error for DatabaseMysql::setTimeout() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14441  (10tderouin)
[17:48:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Short notation links to subpages don't work in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14080  (10brion)
[17:53:38] <^demon>	brion: I think I've got it right now. Made use of IPBlockForm::showForm()'s built-in error reporter.
[17:55:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ajax search feature does not work in modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14444  (10danny_b)
[17:56:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AJAX (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14123  (10danny_b)
[17:58:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Prevent Indexing of Forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14445 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87)
[17:58:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prevent Indexing of Forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14445  normal->highest (10dasch_87)
[18:00:28] <Subfader>	OpenSearch: Adding my wiki (1.12.0) to the search engine bar in firefox doesn't work ('could not download serach engine from: Firefox') but it works fine in IE. It must some extension i use. Has anyone an idea what it depends on?
[18:01:22] <brion>	Subfader: url?
[18:01:42] <Subfader>	http://mixesdb.com
[18:02:04] <Subfader>	tried on 3 PC's running firefox
[18:02:47] <Subfader>	i wrote an xml to do it manually so it works, just not the normal way
[18:02:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages feature for main namespace @ ptwikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14363  15enhancement->normal (10lugusto)
[18:03:20] <brion>	Subfader: there's an extra newline at the start of the output file
[18:03:40] <brion>	probably due to extra whitespace in your Localsettings.php or other customized file
[18:03:44] <brion>	this will also break your RSS feeds
[18:03:53] <Subfader>	correct it's broken :D
[18:04:11] <Subfader>	thought extra whitespace is harmless
[18:04:25] <brion>	nope, it's actually illegal at start in xml :)
[18:04:47] <brion>	html browsers usually don't care, so you can easily not notice until some xml thing comes up like rss or opensearch
[18:04:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages feature for main namespace @ ptwikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14363  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:05:31] <Subfader>	ok thanks i will check
[18:06:13] <brion>	it can also interfere with caching, http redirects, etc (output before the sending of headers cancels the headers)
[18:07:28] <Subfader>	could also be in monobook.php right?
[18:10:47] <brion>	http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/06/05/mn-clinton06_a1xref_ph_0498565208_part2.jpg <- this seems a little '1984 macintosh commercial' to me :)
[18:11:20] <CIA-51>	03demon * r35976 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): I think we've fixed the UI issues with the new modify block features. Shows up fine in FF2 and IE7/8. Need additional testing if someone would be so kind :-)
[18:11:50] *brion 	is easily amused
[18:12:17] <^demon|brb>	brion: Mind throwing it through Safari again?
[18:13:17] <brion>	^demon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Ipb_already_blocked
[18:14:18] <brion>	does it work correctly using that text?
[18:14:22] <brion>	and does it make sense?
[18:14:29] <brion>	if not, you should not just reuse the message name
[18:14:59] <^demon>	Let me check with said text.
[18:15:42] <^demon>	Worksforme.
[18:16:14] <^demon>	FF2 and IE7/8
[18:24:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image with missing versions behave oddly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14446 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (siebrand)
[18:24:52] <brion>	^demon: range blocks don't seem correctly handled, nor do infinite expiries
[18:25:04] <brion>	1) Create a range block on 10.0.0.0/24, expiry "infinite"
[18:25:05] <brion>	2) Go to Special:BlockIP/10.0.0.2
[18:25:24] <brion>	you'll see some problems :)
[18:25:37] <MZMcBride>	Can someone make that page use wikitext too? :)
[18:28:50] <^demon>	brion: How does it not work? I just made a range block on /24 and then checked .2, and it was fine.
[18:29:04] <brion>	* "Caution: "10.0.0.2" is already blocked. You can modify the block settings by using this form."
[18:29:09] <brion>	* listed block address is "10.0.0.2"
[18:29:15] <brion>	* listed expiry is current time <- instead of infinity
[18:29:19] <brion>	3) Change the expiry and hit "block this user"
[18:29:19] <brion>	* a new block as added just for 10.0.0.2
[18:29:39] <brion>	(eg, it didn't do what it said, which was to modify the block)
[18:29:57] <^demon>	It didn't say already blocked for me...
[18:32:02] <brion>	does here...
[18:32:18] <^demon>	Got it now.
[18:32:19] <^demon>	Hmm.
[18:32:23] <^demon>	That's really odd...
[18:32:38] <^demon>	I'll revert it out of trunk for now.
[18:33:20] <brion>	tx
[18:33:24] <proprietarysucks>	how do I shows an image in a wiki page?
[18:34:07] <CIA-51>	03demon * r35977 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Breaks rangeblocks. Keeping out of trunk until we can figure out why.
[18:34:09] <proprietarysucks>	[[Image:Snapshot4.png]] just shows a link to a page talking about the image which in turn has a link to actually see it
[18:34:37] <proprietarysucks>	I just want the picture to actually be showing in-line
[18:34:53] <KTC>	i thought an admin can delete individual revision?
[18:36:50] <^demon>	brion: I'll put the patch of what I changed onto bugzilla. Hopefully someone can see what I'm doing wrong.
[18:39:54] <proprietarysucks>	anyone know how to display an image?
[18:39:55] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Allow modification of a block without unblocking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10080  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:41:25] <Chabacano>	is there any way of getting a diff without getting the result in the page?
[18:41:39] <Chabacano>	I have been consulting the API, but without results
[18:42:23] <^demon>	brion: I'm guessing a quick compare of the requested block address and the already blocked address would probably do it.
[18:45:14] <AzaTht>	brion: any posibillity to have http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/ added to common.js, as md5 calculations will be pretty much used with edit-api
[18:46:01] <proprietarysucks>	anyone at all
[18:46:43] <AzaTht>	!images
[18:46:43] --mwbot--	For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images>. For more technical details about image uploads, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads>. Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads).
[18:46:59] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: ↑?
[18:47:13] <siebrand>	^demon: stop that, please. This is impossible to understand from a localisation perspective...
[18:47:30] <siebrand>	^demon: 'ipb_already_blocked' has been changed 4 times in 48 hours or so now.
[18:47:35] <proprietarysucks>	my question is, how do I display an image on a wiki page. I have already uploaded the image
[18:47:49] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: [[Image:Foo.png]]
[18:48:02] <proprietarysucks>	I want the image to actually display
[18:48:06] <proprietarysucks>	that just shows a link
[18:48:11] <Charitwo>	odd
[18:48:14] <Charitwo>	link?
[18:48:29] <AzaTht>	yea, it's odd
[18:48:32] <proprietarysucks>	intranet wiki
[18:48:37] <proprietarysucks>	I have this in the code: [[Image:Snapshot4.png]]
[18:48:42] <proprietarysucks>	and it shows this
[18:48:42] <Charitwo>	a clickable url :)
[18:48:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CSS Print Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11626  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:48:55] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: the image is blank
[18:49:27] <^demon>	siebrand: It's staying on the old one until I get it right.
[18:49:49] <siebrand>	^demon: I propose you introduct a new message name to get rid of the possible mess.
[18:49:57] <siebrand>	^demon: retire the old one.
[18:50:14] <^demon>	Will do on my next commit for it, which won't be until I get the rangeblock issue fixed.
[18:50:20] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Snapshot4.png WFM
[18:50:33] <siebrand>	^demon: thanks.
[18:50:38] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: remember to include the Image: prefix
[18:51:11] <proprietarysucks>	http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7236/snapshot10qu1.png
[18:51:57] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: that's not the image on meta
[18:52:04] <AzaTht>	the meta image is a blank image
[18:53:19] <proprietarysucks>	I'm sorry what do you mean
[18:53:34] <proprietarysucks>	this is the code: http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3802/snapshot11ec6.png
[18:54:12] <AzaTht>	hmm
[18:54:42] <proprietarysucks>	when I click the link it takes me here....
[18:54:57] <AzaTht>	and you have uploaded the snapshot image?
[18:55:13] <AzaTht>	(too much blackboxes to be much helpable)
[18:57:02] <proprietarysucks>	http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/238/snapshot12qn2.png
[18:57:56] <OverlordQ>	mime type: text/plain seems to be something wrong there
[18:57:56] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: ok, your image has been interpreted as text/plain
[18:58:02] <proprietarysucks>	when I finally click on Snapshot4.png on THAT page, I can see the picture
[18:58:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't log in without logging out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14447 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (misza1313)
[18:58:45] <proprietarysucks>	when I tried to upload that file, it gave an error of being corrupt
[18:58:56] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: and it probably is
[18:59:03] <proprietarysucks>	no it's not
[18:59:22] <proprietarysucks>	anyways, point is, I then disabled mimetype checking
[18:59:26] <AzaTht>	can you give us an exact copy if that image?
[18:59:31] <proprietarysucks>	$wgVerifyMimeType = false;
[18:59:54] <proprietarysucks>	then I was able to upload it fine, but perhaps that's the cause of it not displaying
[19:00:05] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: yea
[19:00:06] <proprietarysucks>	I might be able to, let me look at it
[19:00:24] <proprietarysucks>	yep I can send you the exact file
[19:00:29] <proprietarysucks>	sec
[19:01:04] <proprietarysucks>	http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9950/snapshot4ui3.png
[19:01:06] <sedwards_>	Hi all!
[19:01:29] <proprietarysucks>	the only difference is on mine it's called Snapshot4.png (imageshack renamed it)
[19:01:40] <sedwards_>	I got saddled with a wiki project, w/o instruction or lead time...
[19:01:50] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: I'm afraid that's probably not an 100% exact copy of the image you are trying to upload
[19:02:05] <sedwards_>	long story short, does anyone know of a WYSIWYG editor that is really user-friendly?
[19:02:11] <proprietarysucks>	well, how do you want me to send it?
[19:03:03] <proprietarysucks>	yeah it is 100% same
[19:03:16] <proprietarysucks>	I copied it and md5summed them both
[19:03:17] <proprietarysucks>	md5sum snapshot4*.png
[19:03:18] <proprietarysucks>	c23e86f01abf6f5e4598dff6a2d2fd88  snapshot4.png
[19:03:18] <proprietarysucks>	c23e86f01abf6f5e4598dff6a2d2fd88  snapshot4ui3.png
[19:03:39] <AzaTht>	$ md5sum snapshot4ui3.png 
[19:03:39] <AzaTht>	c23e86f01abf6f5e4598dff6a2d2fd88  snapshot4ui3.png
[19:03:41] <AzaTht>	ok
[19:04:44] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/srcwiki/index.php/Image:Snapshot4ui3.png
[19:04:50] <AzaTht>	it worked for me to upload it
[19:05:13] *Charitwo 	looks for Reedy.
[19:05:27] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: in your wiki, it's marked as being 45K, mine marks it as 44K
[19:06:17] <proprietarysucks>	ok I've removed the file
[19:06:22] <AzaTht>	something has been borked in your upload there
[19:06:28] <proprietarysucks>	now I've removed the custom php argument
[19:06:33] <proprietarysucks>	I'm going to retry the upload
[19:07:06] <proprietarysucks>	The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again.
[19:07:22] <Cobraz0r>	Hello
[19:07:38] <AzaTht>	hmm
[19:07:54] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: something is wrong in your upload
[19:07:57] <Cobraz0r>	Can someone help me? I must upgrade my mediawiki system, but i dont know how
[19:08:16] <AzaTht>	brion: around? 
[19:08:37] *AzaTht 	pokes brion with the large carrot-formed poke stick
[19:09:35] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: I can't help you much more, there is something wrong in your upload, perhaps something is hijacking your stream or something, and adds som malicious code to the end of the file
[19:09:39] <proprietarysucks>	I got it
[19:09:44] <AzaTht>	ok
[19:09:47] <proprietarysucks>	had to add this
[19:10:00] <proprietarysucks>	$wgMimeDetectorCommand= "file -bi";
[19:10:08] <Cobraz0r>	 Can someone help me? I must upgrade my mediawiki system, but i dont know how
[19:10:10] <ialex>	Cobraz0r: read UPGRADE file
[19:10:20] <Cobraz0r>	Yeah, but many things i dont understand :S
[19:10:21] <AzaTht>	!upgrade | Cobraz0r 
[19:10:21] --mwbot--	Cobraz0r: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[19:10:28] <proprietarysucks>	man what a freaking pita
[19:10:39] <proprietarysucks>	AzaTht: thanks for your help
[19:10:42] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: strange
[19:10:55] <Cobraz0r>	Yes, but i dont understand some things
[19:11:14] <AzaTht>	$wgMimeDetectorCommand= NULL; # use internal mime_content_type function, available since php 4.3.0
[19:11:14] <AzaTht>	#$wgMimeDetectorCommand= "file -bi"; #use external mime detector (Linux)
[19:11:29] <Cobraz0r>	"Run the update script to check the database" How can i run that script? 
[19:11:33] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: something is wrong with your php?
[19:11:51] <ialex>	Cobraz0r: in a shell
[19:12:04] <AzaTht>	Cobraz0r: enter the maintenance dir and run php update.php
[19:12:25] <brion>	AzaTht: what's up?
[19:12:27] <AzaTht>	proprietarysucks: no prob
[19:12:31] <proprietarysucks>	PHP 5.1.6
[19:12:34] <proprietarysucks>	no idea
[19:12:49] <Cobraz0r>	what is running? Enter and open it or?
[19:12:53] <Cobraz0r>	I am using SmartFTP
[19:13:11] <AzaTht>	brion: had two things, the second thing just fixed itself (the above), but still, I had an quetion/request for common.js before
[19:13:20] <AzaTht>	(half fixed)
[19:13:42] <AzaTht>	brion: requote: any posibillity to have http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/ added to common.js, as md5 calculations will be pretty much used with edit-api
[19:13:48] <tekmosis>	Is there a way to add a Special page without editing /includes/SpecialPages.php ? Something like how you can add in hooks by using setting a variable in LocalSettings.php
[19:14:00] <AzaTht>	tekmosis: yes
[19:14:55] <brion>	AzaTht: it's large and not required
[19:14:58] <brion>	so ....... no? :)
[19:16:16] <ialex>	tekmosis: $wgSpecialPages
[19:16:32] <tekmosis>	ialex, thanks 
[19:18:20] <AzaTht>	ok
[19:18:23] <AzaTht>	:(
[19:22:07] <sedwards_>	bye
[19:22:35] <MinuteElectron>	just commons and meta so far
[19:22:38] <MinuteElectron>	gah
[19:24:46] <Misza13>	gah! Special:mergeaccount keeps telling me "Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again."
[19:25:05] <Misza13>	which is epic BS as the password is correct
[19:26:32] <Misza13>	anyone else had this crap?
[19:30:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please close Wolof Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14428  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:30:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please close Zhuang Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14429  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:30:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please close Pali Bahasa Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14427  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:34:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add import sources to de.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14303  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:37:22] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) by default, every user should see the newest revision at german wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14306  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:38:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bypassing an interwiki redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14448 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dotkorg)
[19:38:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14311  -shell +need-review; +comment (10jeluf)
[19:39:48] <Dvyjones>	Is this just me remembering wrong, or was mediawiki in search of a better loading system? (Sorry for multiposting if you are in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en)
[19:40:30] <MinuteElectron>	"loading" ?
[19:40:36] <Nikerabbit>	of what?
[19:40:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Timestamp parameters do not support ISO 8601 fully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14449 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (cdhowie)
[19:41:05] <Nikerabbit>	Misza13: that's really not the best way to get help
[19:41:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timestamp parameters do not support ISO 8601 fully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14449  (10cdhowie)
[19:41:27] <Charitwo>	you don't really know misza very well do you nike :)
[19:42:19] <Nikerabbit>	I don't care...
[19:42:20] <MinuteElectron>	that's irrelevant
[19:42:26] <MinuteElectron>	there is no excuse for being rude
[19:42:27] <MinuteElectron>	ever
[19:42:34] <Charitwo>	tell that to him :/
[19:42:47] <Nikerabbit>	what's up with the flagged revs thing? when it finally gets done they want to disable it by default? O_o
[19:43:12] <Nikerabbit>	Charitwo: I think everyone is telling that by not answering...
[19:43:12] <Dvyjones>	JavaScript loading system :P (importScript())
[19:43:22] <Charitwo>	hehe
[19:44:02] <Charitwo>	hi MrZ-man 
[19:44:15] <jlerner>	in an extension - how can i tell if the page i'm on is a preview
[19:45:13] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: No clue. I fail to see the purpose of flaggedrevs if the raw version is always shown.
[19:45:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change the local time on sq.Wikipedia from UTC to CEST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14319  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:46:03] *AaronSchulz 	looks at a strange bug
[19:46:05] <jlerner>	$wgRequest->getCheck('wpPreview');
[19:46:06] <jlerner>	 ..
[19:46:16] <AaronSchulz>	brion: wee! finals over!
[19:46:40] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: You too? Had my last one today as well :-)
[19:47:04] <AaronSchulz>	my last one was two days ago
[19:47:29] <AaronSchulz>	I just got settled in at home yesterday
[19:47:34] <Nikerabbit>	my last exam for this spring was on wednesday
[19:47:44] <brion>	yay
[19:48:20] <Charitwo>	more time for wiki!
[19:48:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Forbid image uploads in ru.wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14349  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:49:03] *AaronSchulz 	mourns his video card
[19:49:10] <AaronSchulz>	only a year old and a capacitor died
[19:49:11] <Subfader>	How can I remove the rss icon in teh addressbar? is it $wgFeed? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFeed
[19:49:57] <Nikerabbit>	browsers add it if they find feeds from the page source
[19:50:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't log in without logging out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14447  (10misza1313)
[19:51:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable subpages feature for main namespace @ ptwikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14363  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:51:29] <Subfader>	Nikerabbit: so how can I turn it off?
[19:52:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check for "Image:Honest Ed&apos;s.jpg" in commons file repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14365  -shell  (10jeluf)
[19:53:18] <Nikerabbit>	Subfader: did you try wgFeed?
[19:53:59] <Subfader>	yep. doesn't work and manual reads from 1.13 only that's what confuses me
[19:53:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate Extension:NewUserMessage on nds.Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14400  -shell +need-review; +comment (10jeluf)
[19:54:22] <Nikerabbit>	hmhmhm
[19:54:26] <Subfader>	i have also disabled the rss atom thingy in the toolbox in monobook.php
[19:54:31] <Nikerabbit>	is it really that new?
[19:54:50] <Subfader>	that's what i wonder! :)
[19:56:09] <Subfader>	and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings  doesn't list any other feed/rss configs
[19:58:17] <Subfader>	i'm on 1.12.0
[19:58:20] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35978 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (MimeMagic.php filerepo/File.php): Add 'ogv' as recognized alias to 'ogg', allowing uploads of .ogv files to proceed if allowed
[19:58:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable multiple import sources for el.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14131  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:06:23] <alnokta>	AaronSchulz, you can easily replace the capacitor you know 
[20:06:37] <AaronSchulz>	trying to figure that out
[20:07:08] <alnokta>	start with getting the replacement :)
[20:07:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set Wikipedia namespace for ta.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13220  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:09:03] <^demon>	Wow, what a fun ie8 bug.
[20:09:18] <^demon>	Typing in an IP won't resolve unless you prefix it with http://
[20:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate Extension:NewUserMessage on nds.Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14400  (10wiki)
[20:15:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Localised name for Korean Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14157  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:18:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) activate import pages on el.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14232  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:19:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Login isn't global if loging on via secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14450 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (thinboy00)
[20:21:52] <ManOfVirtues>	has anyone ran into a problem with the LDAP module returning incorrect password?
[20:23:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Including a non existent template includes another page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14422  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:28:46] <CIA-51>	03aaron * r35979 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[20:28:46] <CIA-51>	* Pass in $parser more cleanly
[20:28:46] <CIA-51>	* Show namespace in include error list
[20:28:46] <CIA-51>	* Use getRevisionId() accessor
[20:28:46] <CIA-51>	* Handle bogus article Ids
[20:28:47] <CIA-51>	* Remove unused var
[20:29:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Including a non existent template includes another page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14422  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:29:29] <AaronSchulz>	brion: can you delete that row on bug 14422 ?
[20:38:19] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35980 10/trunk/extensions/ (10 files in 9 dirs): Update a bunch of extensions to avoid unstubbing $wgParser early for setHook() on current MW versions.
[20:39:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki prefix c: could be used as a shortcut for commons: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4676  +comment (10dotkorg)
[20:50:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Some changing on Ukrainian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13854  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:53:41] <AzaTht>	!spawn roan
[20:53:41] --mwbot--	Spawning roan
[21:01:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please enable uploads on de.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14227  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:15:11] <CIA-51>	03brion * r35981 10/trunk/wap/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[21:15:11] <CIA-51>	Disable "simulator" -- give default browsers the same nice clean HTML we give to HTML-friendly mobile devices like the iPhone.
[21:15:11] <CIA-51>	The "simulator" skin makes it harder to guage actual behavior, and tends to screw up unrecognized handheld devices by sending them a tiny image of a cell phone. :)
[21:15:11] <CIA-51>	Also an escaping fix for images; indicates a serious problem upstream in the code, as the URL is not properly escaped at output level.
[21:21:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enable .ogv uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14315  (10brion)
[21:23:45] <Hojjat>	siebrand: hi!
[21:23:53] <Hojjat>	siebrand: BUZZ
[21:24:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Exclude stubs from Special:Random - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14451 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[21:30:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exclude stubs from Special:Random - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14451  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[21:33:03] <jlerner>	how can i tell if i'm on a preview page - when executing an extension
[21:41:00] <MZMcBride>	jlerner: &action=submit ?
[21:41:13] <MZMcBride>	There are variables on the page.
[21:41:39] <Skizzerz>	jlerner: what hook are you using?
[21:41:58] <jlerner>	yeah - sorry what i actually want to do is have a tag only get interpreted on save
[21:42:02] <jlerner>	do i have to use a hook?
[21:43:05] <Skizzerz>	that's the only way you'll ever be able to manipulate mediawiki after it's already started processings stuff, so yes. otherwise you're limited to about when LocalSettings is defined, which is very early on
[21:43:26] <jlerner>	right
[21:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add translation for "UTC" in signatures for Arabic Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14452 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mohamed.m.k)
[21:46:58] <jlerner>	i'm not sure how to have this custom tag only do something, on ArticleSave
[21:49:26] <jlerner>	Skizzerz: do you know if that's possible?
[21:49:46] <Skizzerz>	idk, what do the docs say?
[21:55:51] <Duesentrieb_>	jlerner: it's not possible with a "real" parser tag -- because those are about parsing/rendering, which does not happen at all when the page is being saved.
[21:56:00] <Duesentrieb_>	you can do some type of search & replace on the text though
[21:56:04] <jlerner>	right
[21:56:08] <Duesentrieb_>	you'll just have to find the right hook
[21:56:12] <jlerner>	this actually seemed to work - after i fixed the bug
[21:56:40] <jlerner>	http://pastebin.com/ma01439b
[21:56:54] <jlerner>	if it passes that, something happens
[21:57:04] <jlerner>	which is what i wanted
[21:58:21] <jlerner>	Duesentrieb_: apparently the code following what's in pastebin is getting executed (on article save only)
[22:04:31] <Mapler>	K, Found a sorting issue in mediawiki on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectricity#Countries_with_the_most_hydro-electric_capacity
[22:04:39] <Mapler>	Annual Hydroelectric
[22:04:40] <Mapler>	Energy Production
[22:05:05] <Mapler>	sorts properly, but "Installed Capacity" does not
[22:16:57] <Duesentrieb_>	Mapler: my guess would be that this is caused by non-numbers ("-") in some cells
[22:17:56] <Duesentrieb_>	err, actually... the sorting looks good to me
[22:21:11] <Mapler>	it sorts one way correctly, but not the other
[22:21:34] <Mapler>	it lists (as an example) 88, as being higher than 112, since 8>1
[22:21:55] <Mapler>	unless this is a mozilla firefox error...
[22:23:01] <Mapler>	Have it sort "Installed Capacity" with greatest at the top, where does the China figure show up?
[22:23:45] <Mapler>	IE does the same
[22:24:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) kkwiki doesn't get MediaWiki:Common.js from DB after r29945 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12717  04CRIT->major; summary; +comment (10alefzet)
[22:24:14] <MostafaDaneshvar>	Question: How I can add a new language into Mediawiki?
[22:29:03] <alnokta2>	you have a language that isn't in mw already!
[22:29:06] <Skizzerz>	MostafaDaneshvar: what language, may I ask?
[22:29:28] <alnokta2>	ola skizzerz 
[22:49:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Northern Sami Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14453 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (justinkoavf)
[22:58:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Member of group(s)" in Special:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14454 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:00:16] <Buzz_>	hi.. i have a really simple question : can i URL escape a template parameter in mediawiki ?
[23:00:25] <Buzz_>	so that " " becomes %20 etc
[23:01:45] <Buzz_>	i have a download template which is called like {{Download|file=media/audio/Lost_In_Translation/Bubble_Bobble/Bubble_Bobble_-_Title_&_Extend_(Arcade).ogg|name='''"Title & Extend"'''}} and the template is [http://files.exotica.org.uk/?file=exotica/{{{file}}} {{{name}}}] (ftp)
[23:01:57] <Buzz_>	and i want to url encode "file"
[23:02:50] <Buzz_>	in this case the problem is the & .. of course the link could be encoded by the user, but they don't always know
[23:05:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	Buzz_: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function#URLENCODE
[23:05:47] <Buzz_>	ok. i think i found it {{urlencode:
[23:05:49] <Buzz_>	yeh
[23:05:50] <Buzz_>	hehe
[23:06:00] <Buzz_>	thanks
[23:06:47] <Buzz_>	Mike_lifeguard: will {{urlencode:{{{file}}}}} parse ok ?
[23:07:41] <Buzz_>	i wonder why mediawiki chose {{{ }}} sometimes.. in templates. readability wise it can be terrible
[23:09:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	Buzz_: you want {{urlencode:{{{file|}}}}} so it does not interpret {{{}}} literally, and urlencode them
[23:09:43] <Buzz_>	aah ok
[23:10:12] <Buzz_>	but really.. its really ugly.. 
[23:10:25] <Buzz_>	who chose this syntax ;-)
[23:10:59] <Buzz_>	why 3x{{{ for template parameters ?
[23:11:02] <^demon>	siebrand: Good news, I fixed the issue with an IP being detected blocked when he's auto/rangeblocked.
[23:11:02] <Buzz_>	:)
[23:12:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #ifexist:Image and #ifexist:Media return False all the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14433  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[23:13:17] <Buzz_>	Mike_lifeguard: like the fact to have if type stuff with templates ina  template you need a template called ! for example which contains |. its really ugly
[23:13:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	If you think you can do better...
[23:14:21] <Buzz_>	thats an unfair reply.. you can be a critique of something without having made your own solution..
[23:14:48] <Buzz_>	that's
[23:15:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	Hey, I'm not a developer either. I don't mean you need to write things yourself, but you could suggest something better.
[23:15:59] <Buzz_>	well.. heres one. a simple one. why '' '' for <em> and ''' for strong ? why not /something/ for em and #for strong# ?
[23:16:01] <Buzz_>	for example ?
[23:16:16] <Buzz_>	ok dir names can have /somethign/ but that couldbe quoted
[23:16:25] <Buzz_>	or //something// maybe
[23:16:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't know, I didn't write it
[23:17:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	but I do know that that would break basically 100% of pages, so that's not a good change
[23:17:28] <Buzz_>	for wikipedia yes... im selfish and im only considering my own wiki :D
[23:17:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok, so rewrite the parser just for yourself :)
[23:17:51] <Buzz_>	but if you have }}}}} in a template, and its only 2 nested things, then something is going wrong ;-)
[23:18:08] <Buzz_>	brain f*ck really
[23:18:17] <Xiong>	buzz, the template syntax is weird because it's meant to work with english
[23:18:23] <Xiong>	that's really the crux of the issue
[23:18:32] <Xiong>	not only english, but any other natural language
[23:18:52] <Xiong>	so basically, anything that isn't meant to render exactly as typed has to be escaped in some way
[23:19:13] <Buzz_>	the point is i assuem that {{{ etc or ''' would never come up in a normal text
[23:19:17] <Xiong>	exactly
[23:19:20] <Buzz_>	but would ## either ?
[23:19:23] <Buzz_>	or $$
[23:19:24] <Buzz_>	?
[23:19:34] <Xiong>	but in point of fact, *everything* comes up sooner or later
[23:19:43] <Xiong>	so, elaborate escape sequences
[23:19:48] <Skizzerz>	## and $$ are not valid wiki markup syntax, so they would show up
[23:19:49] <Buzz_>	and in that case. dont complicate it. and when it comes up. escape it. 
[23:20:05] <Xiong>	well, why prefer # to {{?
[23:20:11] <Buzz_>	Skizzerz: my point is, using such things instead perhaps..
[23:20:22] <Buzz_>	well i would prefer in a template just {
[23:20:31] <Buzz_>	and escape any other {
[23:20:35] <Skizzerz>	because { } is used in many other instances
[23:20:42] <Xiong>	right, but a single brace is common
[23:20:50] <Buzz_>	but.. in a "template"
[23:20:50] <Xiong>	that will come up often in regular text
[23:20:54] <Skizzerz>	esp. in wikis that have code examples of, say, PHP and the like
[23:20:58] <Buzz_>	not in main
[23:21:20] <Buzz_>	so then why not {{ this is common too? why {{{ :-)
[23:21:21] <Xiong>	i think you're asking for templates to be parsed using different rules than ordinary pages
[23:21:30] <Skizzerz>	templates aren't magic, mediawiki doesn't give templates an elevated status, it just uses that namespace
[23:21:33] <Buzz_>	maybe they should.
[23:21:38] <Buzz_>	i know that
[23:21:39] <Skizzerz>	{{{ is for template parameters
[23:21:43] <Xiong>	because {{ is a template call; {{{ is a parameter
[23:21:44] <Buzz_>	i know that. thanks
[23:21:48] <Buzz_>	;-)
[23:21:49] <Xiong>	must be able to tell the difference
[23:21:59] <Buzz_>	yeh.. well. thats where it all gets messy
[23:22:05] <Skizzerz>	then why are you complaining/what are you complaining about?
[23:22:07] <Xiong>	veeblefetzer {{one}}
[23:22:14] <Xiong>	that's a call to Template:One
[23:22:19] <[Ex0r]>	im having trouble. I just installed mediawiki 1.9.3 on my server, and imported a backup database for it
[23:22:23] <Xiong>	veeblefetzer {{{one}}}
[23:22:27] <[Ex0r]>	but im getting a .revisions table doesn't exist error
[23:22:35] <Xiong>	that's the text of some template that has a named parameter "one"
[23:22:41] <Buzz_>	im saying its not very readable
[23:22:47] <Xiong>	i agree
[23:22:55] <Buzz_>	im not saying i have the asnwer
[23:22:56] <Buzz_>	answer
[23:22:59] <Xiong>	but *no* metamarkup is readable -- it can't be
[23:23:01] <Buzz_>	but.. its ugly
[23:23:06] <Skizzerz>	[Ex0r]: is the db prefix you used in the installation the same as the prefix in the db dump?
[23:23:14] <Buzz_>	and im certain there MUST be a better way
[23:23:14] <Buzz_>	surely
[23:23:15] <Buzz_>	:-)
[23:23:17] <[Ex0r]>	i changed it
[23:23:31] <[Ex0r]>	but reflected the changes in the dump
[23:23:41] <Buzz_>	you have to admit. logic in a table having a template called "!" or something with | is rather ugly
[23:23:42] <Xiong>	well, i think the reason you're annoying everyone with your complaint is that we all have the same opinion
[23:23:50] <Xiong>	if you can do better, cool
[23:23:53] <Xiong>	but we can't
[23:23:59] <Buzz_>	im not trying to annoy. im just discussing it..
[23:24:04] <Buzz_>	if that's ok 
[23:24:04] <[Ex0r]>	Skizzerz- there isnt even a table called revisions in the db
[23:24:05] <Buzz_>	:)
[23:24:08] <[Ex0r]>	or in the dump
[23:24:10] <Xiong>	no, {{!}} is clever
[23:24:22] <Skizzerz>	[Ex0r]: then re-run the install scrpit, you appear to be missing tables
[23:24:23] <Xiong>	see, | introduces another actual parameter
[23:24:28] <Buzz_>	i know..
[23:24:29] <Skizzerz>	it won't mess with any existing ones
[23:24:36] <Xiong>	what if you need to pass | *in* a param? what would you do?
[23:24:38] <Skizzerz>	er, run update.php actually if you have shell access
[23:24:39] <[Ex0r]>	Skizzerz- It won't delete any of my existing tables ? 
[23:24:41] <Buzz_>	yes. but this all happens due to clashes
[23:24:45] <Skizzerz>	no, it won't
[23:24:47] <Xiong>	|| doesn't cut it, that only means an empty param
[23:24:59] <[Ex0r]>	Skizzerz- I can't, it's telling me it's already configured. 
[23:25:00] <Buzz_>	and if the parameter syntaxs were thought out differently this could be avoided im sure
[23:25:07] <Xiong>	you probably don't like LISP, either, do you?
[23:25:21] <Skizzerz>	[Ex0r]: run the update.php script in your shell (if you have shell access)
[23:25:24] <Buzz_>	i used to, but then i saw a speech therapist ;-)
[23:25:26] <[Ex0r]>	i dont
[23:25:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Invitation e-mail subject to be translated. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14455 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: BoardVote; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:26:01] <Skizzerz>	otherwise rename LocalSettings.php to something else, re-run the install script, and incoporate any changes w/ the newly-created localsettings with the one you renamed and rename it back to LocalSettings.php
[23:26:04] <Xiong>	there area great many languages and scripts -- for a reason
[23:26:24] <Xiong>	one or more programmers don't like the features or syntax of all that exist
[23:26:27] <Xiong>	so they write another
[23:26:39] <Xiong>	obviously, nothing pleases everyone
[23:26:48] <Xiong>	and for that matter, nothing seems to please very many
[23:27:20] <Buzz_>	sure. but mediawiki is a chocie of many because its the largest most supported software.. and you know.. if noone ever makes any critical comments, then there is something wrong, or the softwre is perfect
[23:27:36] <Xiong>	everyone complains about MW
[23:27:40] <Buzz_>	im not being deconstructive i think.. just discussing
[23:27:43] <KTC>	we all know it's prefect :p
[23:27:52] <Xiong>	the development path for it was basically idiotic -- an application designed to run once
[23:27:55] <Skizzerz>	basic wiki markup isn't going to change anytime in the near future, or ever, for that matter
[23:28:11] <Skizzerz>	stuff may be added or tweaked, but the basic syntax won't change
[23:28:33] <Xiong>	it just so happens that over time, the application matured and does a lot of nifty stuff
[23:28:45] <[Ex0r]>	Skizzerz- Rerunning the script is saying the table already exists
[23:28:52] <Xiong>	for a long time, the standard MW distro made sitesubtitle ="The Free
[23:28:55] <[Ex0r]>	so it wont create it
[23:28:56] <Skizzerz>	huh...
[23:28:58] <Buzz_>	anyway. my download links are being nicely url encoded now
[23:28:58] <Skizzerz>	strange
[23:28:58] <Xiong>	Encyclopedia"
[23:29:00] <Buzz_>	:-)
[23:29:02] <Buzz_>	http://files.exotica.org.uk/?file=exotica/media%2Faudio%2FLost_In_Translation%2FBubble_Bobble%2FBubble_Bobble_-_Title_%26_Extend_%28Arcade%29.ogg
[23:29:02] <Xiong>	no matter what
[23:29:03] <[Ex0r]>	rather, continue the installation*
[23:29:05] <Buzz_>	nice.
[23:29:26] <Xiong>	see, that sitesubtitle doesn't display at all under monobook
[23:29:31] <Xiong>	so most users never even noticed
[23:29:33] <Skizzerz>	Your problem has surpassed my level of expertise in that regard, so perhaps someone else may be able to assist you :)
[23:29:37] <Xiong>	but i use cologneblue
[23:29:57] <Xiong>	and even now, i see many wikis that run old install, that have never changed the sitesubtitle
[23:30:14] <Xiong>	basically, MW is the scrap that fell off the dining room table
[23:30:27] <Xiong>	you drag it home and eat it -- or you leave it
[23:30:39] <Skizzerz>	... quite an interesting simile there
[23:30:46] <Xiong>	to me, the joke is that MW is the best thing to come out of the entire effort
[23:30:50] <Xiong>	my opinion
[23:30:59] *Skizzerz 	agrees :P
[23:31:03] <Xiong>	i think WP is turning into a hellhole -- and has been doing so for years
[23:31:23] <Skizzerz>	WP is overly bureaucratic imo
[23:31:23] <Xiong>	but as a test bed for MW, it has done famously
[23:31:41] <Xiong>	WP suffers from so many ills i don't know where to begin
[23:31:53] <Xiong>	the point being, MW became robust in response to these challenges
[23:32:06] <Xiong>	in some ways, WP has been a battle between the devs and everyone else
[23:32:26] <Skizzerz>	with "everyone else" currently in the lead >_>
[23:32:27] <Xiong>	while the userbase sits around and debates policy, devs simply write what they think is best
[23:32:36] <Xiong>	disagree
[23:32:47] <Xiong>	because the devs have achieved -- apparently -- their goals
[23:32:52] <Buzz_>	i chose mediawiki because although some other wikis code (at the time) were much better looking, mediawiki was proven to be scalable, and the liekly hood was it would be developed.. if only because of wikipedia
[23:32:54] <Buzz_>	which was enough for me
[23:33:10] <Buzz_>	and i already knew its syntax (and yesi complain, but mostly its quite ok ) ;-)
[23:33:18] <Xiong>	i think the outstanding example of this was autofellatio
[23:33:35] <Buzz_>	autofellatio ? if only i could ;-)
[23:33:35] <Xiong>	this image went up for deletion and for featured picture -- several times
[23:33:39] <Skizzerz>	not really... there is so much more stuff that needs to be coded and/or fixed in the mw codebase that it would take many more years for the goals to finally be achieved. and by that time more goals will pop up
[23:33:52] <Xiong>	meanwhile, it was being spammed all over, inappropriate places
[23:34:06] <Xiong>	so, one of the devs just wrote up a "bad image list"
[23:34:09] <Buzz_>	speaking of spam. did i mention my wiki? http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page ;-)
[23:34:19] <Xiong>	images on that list can only be displayed on certain pages
[23:34:21] <Buzz_>	sorry "our" wiki. ;-)
[23:34:41] <Xiong>	that "policy" was never debated by the community at large; no consensus formed
[23:35:02] <Xiong>	at the time that dev imposed that solution, there was nothing like consensus -- and i don't think there is, now
[23:35:06] <Skizzerz>	Xiong: yes, out of response of the spamming all over the place, it was such activity which caused that to be coded
[23:35:27] <Xiong>	the rabid inclusionists and the bowdlerizers never worked it out -- the devs did
[23:35:33] <Skizzerz>	I do agree with you in that consensus should have been reached before its implementation, but the means were out of good intention
[23:35:39] <Xiong>	look, i'm not arguing here
[23:35:43] <Xiong>	only describing what happened
[23:35:46] <Skizzerz>	heh
[23:36:03] <Xiong>	the devs did not offer this solution to the community and wait for a decision -- they just did
[23:36:13] <Xiong>	the man with the keys to the rack room is always the final authority
[23:36:25] <Buzz_>	the good news. is.. the "api" almost allows editing ;-)
[23:36:29] <Buzz_>	finally
[23:36:31] <Buzz_>	almost
[23:36:33] <Buzz_>	;-)
[23:36:34] <Skizzerz>	it does allow editing
[23:36:41] <Skizzerz>	you just have to turn on the feature in LocalSettings
[23:36:50] <Xiong>	and all the bitter battles over this or that sysop, this or that policy, or this or that arbitration committee decision are subject to the first rule
[23:36:51] <Skizzerz>	and have the 'writeapi' permission
[23:36:52] <Buzz_>	no. almost ;-) as its not well tested
[23:37:02] <Buzz_>	and not everything is supported
[23:37:16] <Xiong>	the devs don't really have to listen to anybody, including jimbo and the board
[23:37:24] <Xiong>	because the latter can't do without the former
[23:37:54] <Buzz_>	anyway. it finally allows me to create a perl script which doesnt rely on page scraping
[23:37:59] <Xiong>	so, while WP has been embroiled in politics and stupidity, MW itself has forged ahead -- and as i said, is the best result fo the entire effort
[23:38:09] <domas>	mmm
[23:38:22] <domas>	Xiong: devs listen to the board!!11
[23:38:26] <Xiong>	there's a lesson there
[23:38:34] <Xiong>	a small team with shared values can get much done
[23:38:37] <Werdna>	Xiong: domas is the board.
[23:38:49] <Xiong>	a huge community without shared values stalls and fights
[23:38:49] <domas>	oh yes, I am _the_ board
[23:38:57] <Werdna>	Xiong: and domas comes after us with a meat cleaver if we add milliseconds to page load time, what do you think would happen if we ignored board? :)
[23:39:02] <Xiong>	well domas, go ahead -- fire all the devs, take away their keys
[23:39:06] <Xiong>	don't think it will happen
[23:39:16] <domas>	Xiong: why?
[23:39:28] <Xiong>	well for one, your interests are not so divergent
[23:39:32] <Werdna>	Xiong: brion vibber is Chief Technical Officer, and a paid employee of the foundation.
[23:39:38] <Xiong>	and for another, who will you get to replace them?
[23:39:45] <Werdna>	Xiong: if somebody revert-warred with him on the codebase, he would take away their access.
[23:39:48] <domas>	I can replace anyone!
[23:39:56] <domas>	Werdna: I can revert-war with him
[23:39:59] <Xiong>	i dunno, perhaps the time has come that it is actually possible to fire all the devs
[23:40:02] <domas>	Werdna: I actually did!
[23:40:11] <Xiong>	there's sufficient cash flow and interest
[23:40:19] <Werdna>	domas: o rly?
[23:40:24] <Werdna>	Xiong: why would you do that?
[23:40:24] <Xiong>	but that's not been true in the past and that's why MW works so well
[23:40:39] <Xiong>	who, me?
[23:40:42] <Xiong>	i wouldn't
[23:40:55] <Xiong>	i think the devs are doing pretty well, considering most are unpaid and unappreciated
[23:41:01] <Xiong>	and often openly reviled
[23:41:15] <Xiong>	and as i've said twice now, MW is an outstanding tool
[23:41:20] <Werdna>	mmm, torblock comes to mind
[23:41:20] <Xiong>	i won't use another wiki engine
[23:41:24] <Werdna>	that was fun.
[23:41:30] <Skizzerz>	yeah, people should really show some respect for teh poor devs :D
[23:41:34] <domas>	yup
[23:41:36] <domas>	no respect!
[23:41:41] *domas 	fires all
[23:41:41] *Werdna 	demands respect
[23:41:47] <domas>	Werdna: nowai!
[23:42:09] <alnokta2>	rev of the dev
[23:42:25] <Xiong>	i definitely do not agree with all the devs have done
[23:42:28] <CIA-51>	03skizzerz * r35982 10/trunk/extensions/ForcePreview/ForcePreview.php: * fix so it doesn't throw errors for <=1.12 wikis
[23:42:34] <Werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BITED
[23:42:43] <Xiong>	MW shows typical open source scars -- all sorts of grandfathered poor decisions, loose ends
[23:42:48] <Xiong>	but for the price, it's pretty cool
[23:43:12] <Skizzerz>	them darn flying pigs
[23:43:18] <Xiong>	WP, on the other hand, i use only when i don't care if the information i get is accurate or complete
[23:43:41] <Xiong>	and i have very little respect for the way the community functions, which is largely ego-driven
[23:43:41] <Skizzerz>	yeah, ALWAYS use Uncyclopedia if you want accurate, reliable info
[23:43:47] <domas>	\o/
[23:43:52] <domas>	Skizzerz++
[23:44:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	Werdna: TorBlock is a good piece of work, but implementation was sorely lacking
[23:44:14] <Xiong>	i can't name such a thing as a single reliable, complete source of general knowledge
[23:44:20] <Werdna>	# There are three leading causes of death among users. They are all developers.
[23:44:21] <Xiong>	the scope is too vast
[23:44:31] <domas>	Xiong: it was named already, uncyclopedia 
[23:44:39] <Werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: What do you mean by that?
[23:45:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	discussion is happening now, but it should have happened earlier. There are legitimate problems that should have been addressed
[23:46:18] <Werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: Well yes, but you can never get anybody to care about it, or to make a genuine effort at compromising and discussing, until it's actually been done.
[23:46:36] <Werdna>	I spoke to numerous checkusers before implementation, and they all basically said "Tor is bad. We won't accept anything other than a hardblock
[23:47:13] <Xiong>	would somebody pls be so kind as to throw me a link to this torblock stuff?
[23:47:50] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: ping
[23:48:01] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Recursive_page_moves_.28rev:33565.29_is_a_great_tool_for_vandals
[23:48:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	Werdna: you're sysop at MW.org? 168.143.121.245 wants blocking
[23:48:19] <Xiong>	ty aza
[23:48:34] <AzaTht>	Xiong: sorry, wasn't to you
[23:48:56] <AzaTht>	!tor
[23:48:56] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "tor". You might try: !adminsettings !bom !bundles !deleteuser !download !feeds !interwiki !mwhelp !session !uploads !wysiwyg 
[23:49:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to nonexistent superpages on subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6833  (10urkle)
[23:49:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit for Greek Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10304  (10geraki)
[23:49:13] <Skizzerz>	Mike_lifeguard: blocked
[23:49:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to nonexistent superpages on subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6833   +patch (10urkle)
[23:49:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	thanks
[23:49:43] <AzaTht>	domas: can you take a look at the above link?
[23:50:10] <AzaTht>	before Willy decides to return...
[23:50:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Short notation links to subpages don't work in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14080  +comment (10urkle)
[23:51:09] <Xiong>	[[Tor (anonymity network)]], i suppose
[23:51:12] <Werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: looking.
[23:51:19] <Xiong>	vandals are using tor
[23:51:22] <Xiong>	yay
[23:51:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	are we surprised?
[23:51:37] <Werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: firefox is being slow as.
[23:52:29] <Werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: Skizzerz got it
[23:52:47] <AzaTht>	Werdna: what do you think about the recursive pagemove problem?
[23:53:32] <Werdna>	AzaTht: I already rate limited it
[23:53:37] <AzaTht>	ok
[23:53:39] <Werdna>	it's subject to the same rate limits as regular moves.
[23:53:42] <AzaTht>	to how much?
[23:53:45] <Xiong>	why don't i see a board vote link from WP?
[23:53:49] <Xiong>	only from wikinews
[23:53:51] <Werdna>	whatever the existing rate limit is.
[23:53:54] <AzaTht>	I see
[23:54:29] <Mike_lifeguard>	yeah, I think some additional restriction is needed for that
[23:54:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	even on wikibooks, sysop-only is probably fine
[23:55:23] <AzaTht>	Werdna: so what happens then? does it just move X pages up to the rate limit?
[23:55:37] <AzaTht>	or does it wait a minute and moves the rest then?
[23:55:59] <AzaTht>	or does it precalculate and decides if it can be moved or not based on the current limit?
[23:56:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	all moves count as one, I think (moving the talk page along with a page is treated the same way)
[23:56:56] <Mike_lifeguard>	but moving one additional page versus moving >>1 additional pages is not quite the same
[23:57:25] <Werdna>	AzaTht: correct.
[23:57:34] <AzaTht>	Werdna: which one?
[23:57:46] <Werdna>	AzaTht: each page move hits the rate limit once.
[23:59:16] <AzaTht>	so if we have for example A, A/{A,B,C,D,E} and the rate limit is 5, then A and A/{A,B,C,D} is moved, but not A/E?
[23:59:34] <Werdna>	right