[00:02:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images clipped to italic text when using Modern skin in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14518  (10danny.b)
[00:02:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640  (10danny.b)
[00:02:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny.b)
[00:16:26] <Danny_B>	cia seems dead
[00:17:01] <Splarka>	hmm, danny: per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14518 I seem to remember another bug open for that, but I can't find it
[00:17:09] <WaRpAtH>	yeah Fbi got him
[00:17:28] <Splarka>	a right floating image next to some italic text in IE7 would be cropped due to something in IEfixes, or such
[00:19:21] <Danny_B>	Splarka: i've just added tracking... got nothing to do with it
[00:19:34] *Splarka 	grins
[00:19:43] <Splarka>	and yet, as the categorizer you have a stake in it
[00:20:32] <Splarka>	hmmm
[00:21:11] <Splarka>	(general pondering) should any browser under any situation in mediawiki attempt to load a CSS file that always generates a 404?
[00:21:21] <Splarka>	because that is the case for IEfixes under myskin and simple...
[00:21:37] <Splarka>	as well as /chick/IE70Fixes.css
[00:22:41] <Danny_B>	Splarka: empty stylesheet file could be soluion as well ;-)
[00:22:51] <Splarka>	indeed
[00:22:58] <Splarka>	9 needed
[00:26:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) chick, myskin, and simple skins load nonexistant IE##fixes .css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14520 minor; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (herd)
[00:26:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10herd)
[00:27:01] <Splarka>	or is it spelt "existent", bah
[00:27:07] <Simetrical>	It's existent.
[00:27:28] *Splarka 	opens a new bug "existant should be a valid spelling alternative"
[00:27:48] <Splarka>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/existant  french!
[00:28:48] *Splarka 	thinks Simetrical could go in and insert 9 files with content "/* Placeholder */" (or "/* empty */" for myskin) at those locations and be a hero
[00:30:03] <Splarka>	hmm
[00:30:37] *Splarka 	finds two more
[00:31:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) chick, myskin, and simple skins load nonexistent IE##fixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14520  summary; +comment (10herd)
[00:32:59] <Simetrical>	Splarka, or stop those broken includes from being generated in the first place?
[00:33:20] <Danny_B>	that might be too hard
[00:33:29] <Simetrical>	Pfft.
[00:33:32] <Splarka>	yah, that'd require mucking with the skin template
[00:33:44] <Danny_B>	you'd have to deal with every other skin not only the default set
[00:33:45] <Splarka>	probably easier to null them
[00:33:55] <Splarka>	well, these only apply to the template skins
[00:34:11] <Danny_B>	unless you're make new template ;-)
[00:34:18] <Splarka>	well, yah
[00:37:13] <Danny_B>	Splarka: gonna make a patch?
[00:38:42] <Splarka>	+Simetrical_on_the_job = true;
[00:38:46] *Splarka 	hides
[00:40:47] <Charitwo>	have you even bothered to get commit access Splarka 
[00:42:35] <Splarka>	no
[00:42:42] <Splarka>	I don't bother mucking with svn, and am on dialup anyway
[00:44:22] <Charitwo>	no cable/dsl in your area?
[00:46:10] <Splarka>	hells no
[00:46:18] <Splarka>	and satellite is not any faster, just broader
[00:52:08] <CIA-53>	03simetrical * r36251 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (bug 14520) Don't load nonexistent CSS fix files for Chick, Myskin, Simple
[00:56:05] <Simetrical>	Splarka, where is rtl.css actually included?
[00:56:26] <Splarka>	http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo?useskin=chick
[00:56:34] <Splarka>	when the content language is rtl
[00:56:40] <Simetrical>	I meant in the code.
[00:56:44] <Splarka>	<style type="text/css">/*<![CDATA[*/
[00:56:44] <Splarka>	@import "/skins-1.5/chick/rtl.css?154";
[00:56:45] <Splarka>	oh
[00:57:00] <Splarka>	in the general MediaWiki:/prefs/user <style> tag there
[00:57:16] <Splarka>	so for example, it is trying to load http://ar.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/chick/rtl.css?154 there
[00:58:02] <Simetrical>	$this->html('pagecss')
[00:58:37] <Splarka>	those two could probably just be null though, eh?
[00:58:51] <Splarka>	every skin should have an rtl.css even if it isn't used
[00:58:52] <Simetrical>	No, maybe usercss?
[00:59:16] <Splarka>	I mean, just stick a null rtl.css into /skins/chick and skins/myskin
[00:59:34] <Simetrical>	No.
[00:59:34] <shaiaqua>	where's the manual page on the xml functions?
[00:59:38] <Simetrical>	That's stupid and pointless.
[00:59:40] <Simetrical>	It wastes HTTP requests.
[00:59:44] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/myskin/main.css?revision=5091&content-type=text%2Fplain
[00:59:49] <Simetrical>	It's the lazy way to do it.
[00:59:51] <Splarka>	is that stupid and pointless too?
[01:00:01] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[01:00:01] <Splarka>	so...
[01:00:13] <Splarka>	for 4 years that, *and* loading a 404 css for rtl & myskin, have been going on..
[01:00:34] <Simetrical>	Yep.  Time to put an end to it.
[01:00:43] <Splarka>	a null css file would be less bytes than the 404 at least, heh
[01:01:13] <Splarka>	(and how many HTTP requests can it waste with client and browser cache in barely used skins...)
[01:03:03] <Soxred93>	I'm wondering, what does &redlink=1 do?
[01:03:37] <Splarka>	it redirects the user to the view page if they do not have edit permission
[01:03:54] <Splarka>	so that you never get a "you are blocked" message from simply clicking a red link
[01:04:16] <Splarka>	or "this page is protected" or "this page is transcluded with cascading protection" or "your feet stink"
[01:04:23] <CIA-53>	03simetrical * r36252 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Also omit rtl.css when appropriate. Would be good to do this for main.css too for Myskin (although of course that one should be included by default, not excluded).
[01:04:45] <shaiaqua>	is there a manual page on the xml functions?
[01:04:50] <Splarka>	oh, so it *isn't* broken? heh, simmy
[01:05:01] <Splarka>	Soxred93: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Flibble?action=edit&redlink=1
[01:05:31] <Simetrical>	shaiaqua, which XML functions?  The ones in the Xml class?  Probably the best documentation is reading the source code comments for the various functions.
[01:05:40] <Simetrical>	Or the summaries thereof in Doxygen, which is somewhere.
[01:05:43] <Soxred93>	Thanks
[01:05:58] <shaiaqua>	xml::inputLabel and the such
[01:06:00] <shaiaqua>	thanks
[01:06:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) chick, myskin, and simple skins load nonexistent IE##fixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14520  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:07:00] *Splarka 	gives Simmy a cookie anyway
[01:07:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  (10ned)
[01:11:33] *Splarka 	wonders if simply giving myskin/main.css a body {background-color: #ffffff} might be a good justification for having it
[01:13:07] *Splarka 	updates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes
[01:13:26] <shaiaqua>	there's no xml function for textareas, is there?
[01:13:41] <Splarka>	(one of these (kept updated) for a default mediawiki installation might be handy too)
[01:14:36] <Simetrical>	Splarka, it's not supposed to have any styles at all.
[01:15:27] <Splarka>	shared.css, commonPrint.css, MediaWiki:Common.css etc
[01:15:34] <Splarka>	it does have styles, just no UI styles
[01:16:00] <Splarka>	the body isn't really a UI, it is common to all skins (hopefully!)
[01:16:13] <Splarka>	well, not the color, but the existence of... heh
[01:32:29] <bazz>	so, i think the autodetect for postgres timestamps in wfTimestamp is broken
[01:35:27] <Simetrical>	bazz, talk to G_SabinoMullane.
[01:35:48] <bazz>	Simetrical: okay, do you know when he's usually around?
[01:35:53] <G_SabinoMullane>	bazz: Got some code?
[01:36:13] <G_SabinoMullane>	Or a sample of how/where it breaks?
[01:38:00] <bazz>	G_SabinoMullane: well, if i create a timestamptz column, insert now(), and then select it back it comes out looking like '2008-06-12 21:28:10.827323-07'.  but the preg_match does not deal with the .827323 part
[01:40:55] <bazz>	G_SabinoMullane: so i'm pretty sure the line should be: preg_match('/^(\d{4})\-(\d\d)\-(\d\d) (\d\d):(\d\d):(\d\d)\.(\d*)[\+\- ](\d\d)$/',$ts,$da)
[01:41:07] <G_SabinoMullane>	Is this somewhere in the MW code that's breaking, or just a general observation?
[01:41:58] <bazz>	G_SabinoMullane: just a general observation i guess. i'm writing an extension and i tried to use wfTimestamp with a selected value and it gave me back the epoch, so i went digging :)
[01:44:08] <G_SabinoMullane>	bazz: All the times get converted from other means, so there is never a fractional part.
[01:44:33] <G_SabinoMullane>	IT's akways in this format: "2008-06-13 01:43:26.334089+00"
[01:44:59] <G_SabinoMullane>	You should also never see a -07, as we stick to GMT.
[01:45:06] <bazz>	G_SabinoMullane: that one won't work, although i suspect you meant it's always like: 2008-06-13 01:43:26+00
[01:45:19] <bazz>	the -07 isn't what breaks it
[01:45:23] <G_SabinoMullane>	oops, wrong cut n paste :)
[01:45:36] <G_SabinoMullane>	2008-03-21 00:38:53+00
[01:45:46] <G_SabinoMullane>	That's from an actual value in the page table.
[01:46:11] <bazz>	G_SabinoMullane: so if i have a timestamp i selected from my db and i want to pretty print it, does mw have a function for that or should i just do it in the sql?
[01:46:31] <G_SabinoMullane>	MediaWiki stores dates as an int, which gets converted to a text and shoved into a varbinary column for mysql. Kind of a mess, but we've mostly worked around it.
[01:46:44] <G_SabinoMullane>	There are some MW functions for that.
[01:47:06] <bazz>	i think i might just do it in the sql, it won't localize but i'm not too worried about that
[01:48:01] <G_SabinoMullane>	There are some defined in wfTimestamp
[01:48:12] <G_SabinoMullane>	But it's a limited selection.
[01:48:47] <bazz>	yeah, nothing there gives me quite what i want
[01:50:58] <bazz>	G_SabinoMullane: thanks for the info
[01:51:15] <G_SabinoMullane>	No problem, good luck with the extension.
[01:54:18] <bazz>	thanks
[02:13:00] <Soxred93>	Hey, I'm wondering
[02:13:16] <Soxred93>	How does the Please do not edit this userpage/ thing work?
[02:15:55] <sherrod>	Does anyone know of mediawiki instances that are using some kind of search other than the one that comes with the app default?
[02:18:14] <Splarka>	sox: where do you see such thingies?
[02:18:32] <Soxred93>	[[User:Soxred93]] on enwiki
[02:19:33] <Splarka>	heh
[02:19:40] <Splarka>	directional unicode
[02:20:40] <Splarka>	there is a RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE] (U+202E) there
[02:20:53] <Splarka>	so that it reverses the string 
[02:42:32] <shaiaqua>	the oversight extension isn't working?
[02:42:42] <shaiaqua>	it doesn't show up on specialpages
[02:44:28] <Splarka>	do you have the right/usergroup?
[02:44:33] <Splarka>	it is very stealthy
[02:44:39] <shaiaqua>	yup
[02:45:15] <shaiaqua>	same with my homemade extension
[02:45:17] <shaiaqua>	odd
[02:45:22] <pcj>	hi, is there anyway to transclude Special:Recentchanges and pass parameters, such as {{Special:Recentchanges|limit=10}}
[02:46:01] <Skizzerz>	I don't think Recentchanges was transcludable...
[02:46:08] <pcj>	it is
[02:46:16] <pcj>	at least {{Special:Recentchanges}} works
[02:46:24] <Skizzerz>	try it and see if it works?
[02:46:25] <pcj>	on English Wikipedia anyway
[02:46:25] <Splarka>	{{Special:Recentchanges/10}}
[02:46:37] <Splarka>	it is one of 5 transcludable special pages
[02:46:40] <pcj>	what about other parameters, such as hide bots
[02:46:41] <Splarka>	it takes only one parameter, the limit
[02:46:43] <Splarka>	nope
[02:46:47] <pcj>	ok
[02:46:57] <pcj>	ty
[02:47:03] <Splarka>	Recentchanges, Newpages, Allpages, Prefixindex, and... something else... maybe Wantedpages? not sure
[02:47:24] <CIA-53>	03dantman * r36253 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesSzl.php): (log message trimmed)
[02:47:24] <CIA-53>	Amendment to r36250.
[02:47:24] <CIA-53>	Rather than adding a few extra characters to a single locale just to make it work. We should extend our base linkTrail to work properly in a universal matter.
[02:47:24] <CIA-53>	From: http://www.regular-expressions.info/posixbrackets.html#class
[02:47:26] <CIA-53>	The Unicode format for mathing all [:alpha:] characters is \p{L&}
[02:47:28] <CIA-53>	I tested this on my own machine. Before applying it 99% of the special characters inside of Wikipedia's EditTools box would not be considered part of a linktrail.
[02:47:31] <CIA-53>	However, after changing the a-z to use \p{L&} every last character listed there was considered part of the LinkTrail and that includes the ones that r36250 tried to fix.
[02:50:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link trail on Slavic "=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=AF?=" character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14512  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[02:54:01] <WaRpAtH>	:O
[02:55:04] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ voila?
[03:04:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link trail on Slavic "=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=AF?=" character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14512  (10dan_the_man)
[03:10:18] <CIA-53>	03dantman * r36254 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPl.php: 
[03:10:18] <CIA-53>	Remove $linkTrail from Pl.
[03:10:18] <CIA-53>	The polish characters are already covered by the new En default modifications. And the definition here in Pl stops Szl from inheriting the En which has it's fixes.
[03:13:02] <Tim-away>	#define PHP_PARSEKIT_CONSY				( PHP_PARSEKIT_RESULT_CONST		| PHP_PARSEKIT_OP1_CONST	| PHP_PARSEKIT_OP2_CONST )
[03:13:12] <TimStarling>	classy
[03:13:56] <Dantman|FS>	Heh...
[03:14:12] <TimStarling>	this is checked in to PECL
[03:14:37] <Dantman|FS>	TimStarling: What do you think of this? http://dev.wiki-tools.com/purge/Link_Codes
[03:16:52] <Dantman|FS>	TimStarling: This is the old behavior: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox/Link_Codes
[03:18:04] <TimStarling>	sure, why not
[03:18:59] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Yay
[03:19:24] <Dantman|FS>	And it also fixes an age old complaint "My [[Bar]]'s won't consider 's as part of the link"
[03:19:40] <Dantman|FS>	That's the reason you see people using ugly [[Bar|Bar's]] as links
[03:20:12] <Dantman|FS>	>.< And I made sure it never breaks ''[[Foo]]'' or '[[Foo]]'
[03:21:18] <Dantman|FS>	After a break, I'm going to go through the languages, and one by one delete legacy $linkTrail definitions if the new default coveres what they tried to fix for that locale
[03:21:23] <TimStarling>	and it doesn't break higher range punctuation?
[03:21:33] <Dantman|FS>	punctuation?
[03:21:34] <TimStarling>	that was the problem last time someone tried this
[03:21:46] <Dantman|FS>	Gimme an example
[03:22:15] <TimStarling>	2008年3月28日、ウィキペディア全言語版合計の記事数が1000万項目を超えました。
[03:22:34] <Dantman|FS>	Ack... IRC is screwing up the characters
[03:22:39] <TimStarling>	that has a comma and a full stop
[03:22:43] <Dantman|FS>	Could you paste that here: http://dev.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Link_Codes
[03:23:15] <TimStarling>	it's just from the main page of ja.wikipedia.org, it's not a secret
[03:23:19] <Dantman|FS>	Oh
[03:23:33] <TimStarling>	lots of languages have their own punctuation
[03:24:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  (10dan.gorski)
[03:27:47] <Dantman|FS>	Does it look ok here: http://ja.dev.wiki-tools.com/purge/Link_Codes
[03:28:14] <Dantman|FS>	I don't see any links extending past what they do on ja.wikipedia
[03:28:29] <Dantman|FS>	Punctuation characters in different languages is a different case
[03:28:33] <TimStarling>	is this the shotgun method of testing?
[03:28:57] <Dantman|FS>	It would probably be best to have a variable defining special punctuation for a locale
[03:29:05] <Dantman|FS>	shotgun?
[03:29:10] <TimStarling>	why?
[03:29:22] <TimStarling>	can't you have japanese text on an english wiki?
[03:29:38] <TimStarling>	I think it should just work
[03:29:55] <TimStarling>	except where there's ambiguity that can only be resolved by looking at the language
[03:30:06] <Dantman|FS>	Hmm... ok... then we should collect a list of puncuation characters which should be part of links
[03:30:40] <Dantman|FS>	My unicode class change fixed a likely 99% of the issues with non-latin characters
[03:30:51] <Dantman|FS>	So less languages need to define their own $linkTrail
[03:30:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special pop-up/ warning when an article contains Unicode characters. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14521 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (mhorvath2161)
[03:31:08] <Dantman|FS>	That should make defining new puncuation characters easier just by putting them in the default
[03:31:38] <Dantman|FS>	Right now I got ' to work without breaking... Any new puncuation characters should be able to be put in a ['] replacing that and it should work for all languages
[03:32:23] <Dantman|FS>	I made sure to put a /u in the regex, so that should also avoid any issues with multibyte
[03:32:36] <Dantman|FS>	I had some multibyte issues before the /u mod
[03:34:09] <Dantman|FS>	I'll put a post out to wikitech-l and that should let translators point out any punctuation characters that should be added
[03:34:43] <TimStarling>	or you could go through the code chart yourself and compile a list
[03:35:25] <Dantman|FS>	Well... it's not just punctuation... it's a specific subset of punctuation
[03:35:49] <Dantman|FS>	It's only the characters like ' which we want linked... We don't want things like ' or ! to end up inside of links automaticaly
[03:36:02] <Dantman|FS>	Say hello to [[Billy]].
[03:36:10] <Dantman|FS>	Having that . inside would be bad
[03:36:48] <Dantman|FS>	I can't properly dissasern what type of puncuation in other languages should be linked, so I'll leave that to people who actually use that language to point it out
[03:39:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link trail on Slavic "=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=AF?=" character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14512  (10dan_the_man)
[03:50:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Antispam filter doesn't filter plaintext rendered URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14522 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (danny.b)
[03:53:17] <Danny_B>	Dantman|FS: using general regexp for linktrail isn't good idea
[03:53:30] <Dantman|FS>	Eh?
[03:53:56] <Dantman|FS>	What part breaks?
[03:54:13] <Danny_B>	it can let out impossible things
[03:54:19] <Dantman|FS>	Like what?
[03:54:28] <Danny_B>	like nonexistent words
[03:55:02] <Dantman|FS>	And... [[foo]]barblat was going to be linked in the old way anyways
[03:55:24] <Dantman|FS>	If a language doesn't use whitespace to separate words, then it shouldn't have a linktrail at all
[03:55:49] <TimStarling>	that's a good point
[03:56:03] <TimStarling>	you wouldn't want a generic linktrail that matched CJK characters present on an english wiki
[03:56:04] <Dantman|FS>	The only thing I changed was I changed the use of a-z (latin only alphabetic characters) into a unitode list of alphabetic characters
[03:56:22] <Danny_B>	yes
[03:56:38] <Splarka>	so how to make it consistent across projects? detect any unicode in a link or in the trailing and if it contains whitespace-free language's characters then do no trailing at all?
[03:57:11] <Splarka>	eg: [[....X...]]...  and [[.....]]....X.... where X is a non-whitespace language character
[03:57:22] <TimStarling>	I think it can be done with a regex
[03:58:15] <Danny_B>	Dantman|FS: using all alpha chars as possible trail will make harder to detect typos in links
[03:58:39] <Dantman|FS>	Eh?
[03:58:42] <TimStarling>	Danny_B: you seem to think it isn't that way already
[03:58:49] <Dantman|FS>	Yes
[03:59:00] <Danny_B>	?
[03:59:20] <TimStarling>	go to any wiki, and type [[enrgedgj]]sndfjhagdunyw
[03:59:20] <Dantman|FS>	This is a latin-only alpha characters -> unicode alpha characters change
[03:59:22] <TimStarling>	it's a link
[03:59:30] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: yes
[03:59:55] <Danny_B>	just don't be encentric
[04:00:08] <TimStarling>	what does that mean?
[04:00:28] <TimStarling>	oh, you mean anglocentric?
[04:00:51] <TimStarling>	it's been a long time since somebody accused me of that
[04:02:00] <Danny_B>	consider word foo, possible trail "řev", now we don't have ŕ in czech, so if one writes [[foo]]ŕev it will become a link although it isn't correctly spelled. it wouldn't become a link if there wasn't entire unicode set but just ascii+czech chars
[04:02:27] <TimStarling>	I don't think that's a problem
[04:02:37] <TimStarling>	the link trail mechanism isn't a spell-checker
[04:03:49] <TimStarling>	unless you're saying that [[foo]]ŕev is a common construct in czech, and is never considered to be a single link
[04:04:02] <Dantman|FS>	And that also has the side effect of making it potentially tough to do add another language into the context of that locale
[04:04:22] <TimStarling>	no it doesn't
[04:04:55] <Danny_B>	consider [[foo]]řev as common construct but [[foo]]ŕev is typo while we don't have ŕ in czech alphabet but ř we do
[04:05:27] <TimStarling>	use a spell-checker
[04:05:56] <Danny_B>	that's not a question of spell checking, this was just the easiest example
[04:05:57] <TimStarling>	so I'll take back my retort to Dantman|FS: yes it does
[04:06:15] <TimStarling>	you need to have a general link trail so that all languages work on all wikis
[04:06:25] <TimStarling>	if you want to have a spell-checker, it needs to be language-sensitive
[04:07:23] <Danny_B>	all languages work on all wikis? who would make declinated link of one language in another? got any use case?
[04:07:37] <Splarka>	wiktionary
[04:07:40] <TimStarling>	meta
[04:07:47] <TimStarling>	incubator
[04:07:53] <Dantman|FS>	Things like Anime and Manga
[04:08:11] <Danny_B>	then set that trail for multilang sites but not for all
[04:08:18] <Splarka>	en.wiktionary wants to have every word and word variant in every language, for some crazy reason
[04:08:18] <Dantman|FS>	Translated from one to the other... But you like to take exerpts from the original
[04:08:34] <Dantman|FS>	There is no concept of Multilang sites in MW
[04:08:53] <Dantman|FS>	Unless you have Polyglot installed... And I beleve that has a different purpose
[04:08:54] <Danny_B>	i meant put it in initialisesettings for those sites
[04:09:05] <Danny_B>	or sth like that
[04:09:05] <Splarka>	link parsing should be independant of contentlang... (no?)
[04:09:16] <Dantman|FS>	seconded
[04:09:29] <Splarka>	barring crazy things like esperanto magic or machine-automated variants
[04:09:31] <TimStarling>	it isn't at the moment, but it would make things easier if it were
[04:09:35] <Dantman|FS>	Unless there is a per-language exception which should be fixed per-language
[04:09:44] <TimStarling>	word segmentation for diffs is language-independent
[04:10:02] <Splarka>	diffs, bah
[04:10:09] <TimStarling>	if that's possible, then surely language-independent link trails are possible as well
[04:10:20] <Splarka>	so why not have a blacklist of unicode ranges to abort trailing if found as a pre-check
[04:10:37] <Splarka>	and then a whitelist of patterns that make valid trailing for a second regex
[04:10:44] <TimStarling>	why do you need a blacklist?
[04:10:52] <TimStarling>	to answer Danny_B's objection?
[04:11:05] <TimStarling>	scan the link for something that looks like czech, in order to make the czechs happy?
[04:11:22] <Splarka>	no, I mean, if there are CJK-type language characters present
[04:11:22] <Danny_B>	let's view on it from other side: if there can be local override of linktrail to narrow possibilities, then i think there's no problem
[04:11:35] <Dantman|FS>	Yes, that's possible
[04:11:43] <Splarka>	if there is kanji in the middle of a string of latin letters, then don't trail the link
[04:11:46] <TimStarling>	you're not going to have a mixed-script trail
[04:12:00] <TimStarling>	are you?
[04:12:01] <Dantman|FS>	One of the current issues is that a number of legacy $linkTrail definitions stops the new generic default from working for some langs
[04:12:19] <Dantman|FS>	So yes... if some language has a fatal issue with the default... It can override it
[04:12:23] *Splarka 	shrugs
[04:12:31] <TimStarling>	I guess it's possible on CJK
[04:12:49] <TimStarling>	you could imagine them using a script change instead of a space
[04:12:56] <TimStarling>	CJ, I should say
[04:13:06] <Danny_B>	so summary is: the root linktrail is all unicodealpha, but it can be overrided by local linktrail which will narrow it to such language, correct?
[04:13:16] <TimStarling>	well, CJT, thai is the other language that uses spaces in a strange way
[04:13:19] <Dantman|FS>	Yup
[04:13:32] <Dantman|FS>	If necessary
[04:13:51] <TimStarling>	what do you mean by "unicodealpha"?
[04:14:07] <Dantman|FS>	\p{L&}
[04:14:11] <Splarka>	and check to make sure it is always possible, in the language, to insert a whitespace to stop the trail if necessary? (if that makes sense)
[04:14:12] <Danny_B>	yup
[04:14:13] <TimStarling>	do you mean latin-derived scripts and accented forms?
[04:14:17] <Dantman|FS>	The unicode version of [[:alpha:]]
[04:14:31] <Dantman|FS>	[[:alpha:]] -> a-z
[04:14:41] <Danny_B>	then i have no objection. i just got scared it will be set for all langs with no possibility of narrowing
[04:15:08] <Danny_B>	which i got freak out by seeing linktrail removal from pl messages
[04:15:13] <TimStarling>	a->z is just 26 letters, you don't have to worry about unicode if that's your definition of alphabetic
[04:15:33] <Dantman|FS>	pl was covered by the default...
[04:15:35] <Splarka>	heh
[04:15:43] <Dantman|FS>	And stoped szl from working
[04:16:11] <Splarka>	perhaps you could change trailing to an open-link pipe trick format
[04:16:15] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: as been said unicodealpha == \p{L&} (i just couldn't remember the exact regexp code)
[04:16:16] <TimStarling>	if you include accented latin characters, then you then have to ask whether composing characters are allowed
[04:16:24] <Splarka>	[[cat|s  would become [[cat|cats]]
[04:16:27] *Splarka 	hides
[04:16:59] <Danny_B>	Splarka: did you mean cat[[s]] ? ;-)
[04:17:01] <Splarka>	so why is trailing an on-render action but pipe tricks are an on-save substitution? 
[04:17:12] <TimStarling>	no reason
[04:17:16] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[04:17:23] <Splarka>	oh, good, I thought someone was planning this
[04:17:37] <TimStarling>	no, it's just a historical accident
[04:18:03] <TimStarling>	maybe Lee thought the link parsing code was getting too complicated, so he put some regexes in on save
[04:18:08] <Dantman|FS>	To bad we don't have a checkbox for subst on preview
[04:18:18] <TimStarling>	it's a bad idea, as I've argued in the past
[04:18:32] <TimStarling>	because people don't know that the pipe tricks exist unless they read the manual
[04:18:40] <TimStarling>	because they don't see them in the wikitext source
[04:18:43] <Danny_B>	how come cia has skipped my 36250 revision?
[04:19:11] <Danny_B>	it hasn't been reported neither here nor is on http://cia.vc/stats/project/mediawiki
[04:19:12] <Splarka>	I think it was not working before 36251
[04:19:27] <Danny_B>	36249 is there though
[04:19:43] <Splarka>	then it just doesn't like you!
[04:20:10] <Danny_B>	just mine isn't, so i was wondering about any wrong character or sequence in summary
[04:20:40] <Dantman|FS>	The real debatable thing I say... Is should digits be included in linktrails?
[04:20:46] <Splarka>	it skipped 36213-17
[04:21:01] <Splarka>	er, no it didn't
[04:21:03] *Splarka 	blind
[04:22:18] <Danny_B>	Dantman|FS: find reasonable usecases and then it'll be time to discuss it, i'd say
[04:23:40] <Splarka>	changing expected parsing behavior is always dangerous, some formerly counter-intutive behaviors that some call "bugs" are quite respectable and pull their share
[04:23:51] <Dantman|FS>	Game wikis and a few segregated groups may have use for it... Lots of generics have numbered versions of it... But yes... debatable
[04:24:00] *TimStarling 	finds some work to do
[04:24:38] *Dantman|FS 	takes a break before hunting down the evil $linkTrails (making sure not to break good ones)
[04:25:43] <Danny_B>	Dantman|FS: hands off the cs one ;-)
[04:25:56] <Dantman|FS>	Btw... if you want to test any of this out... http://dev.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Link_Codes
[04:26:14] <Dantman|FS>	I tweaked my config... so you can use http://langcode.dev.wiki-tools.com/purge/Link_Codes
[04:26:26] <Dantman|FS>	And it'll use a different content language
[04:26:40] <Dantman|FS>	The /purge/ will make sure to re-parse in it
[04:27:46] <josch>	ah it seems the devs are around now :)
[04:28:12] <Danny_B>	Dantman|FS: are ipa chars considered as alpha?
[04:28:16] <Dantman|FS>	A variety... 99% of us are just random people with commit
[04:28:29] <josch>	can someone point me to a code snippet to directly convert wikitext to xhtml in mediawiki (maybe even with templates and parser hooks)
[04:29:14] <Dantman|FS>	Danny_B: You might want to research that one... All I know is [[:alpha:]] is a-z and I switched to the unicode version of that
[04:30:00] <Danny_B>	that's what i'm asking - if \p{L&} covers ipa
[04:31:03] <Dantman|FS>	Oooh... those ones...
[04:31:37] <Dantman|FS>	I got mixed up with CJ's special input for characters
[04:31:45] <Dantman|FS>	I'll test
[04:35:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  (10N/A)
[04:40:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  (10ned)
[04:43:23] <Dantman|FS>	Danny_B: Guess not... Perhaps the special characters used to create things like macrons aren't part of the map... If you got a list we could add them if you wanted... http://dev.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Link_Codes
[04:44:19] <Dantman|FS>	Danny_B: Though if you want dibs on it... Perhaps you should fix Cs yourself... http://cs.dev.wiki-tools.com/purge/Link_Codes
[04:46:09] <MZMcBride>	Charitwo: Just the RfB section?
[04:46:15] <Dantman|FS>	All the cs characters are covered by the generic
[04:46:35] <Danny_B>	Dantman|FS: sorry, i might misunderstood what exactly you'd like me to do - there already is linktrail in messagescs which is correct
[04:47:23] <Dantman|FS>	Yes... but the generic already covers that... And the Cs definition stops any other type of character which would be valid from linking
[04:47:38] <Danny_B>	right
[04:48:30] <Danny_B>	btw including of dash might be good idea
[04:49:07] <Charitwo>	MZMcBride: yes
[04:49:12] <Danny_B>	to link constructed words
[04:49:28] <Dantman|FS>	I didn't add it since it could be considered debatable... But you could propose it in my wikitech-l mail and see if anyone objects
[04:49:44] <MZMcBride>	Removed.
[04:49:55] <MZMcBride>	But you already knew that... ;)
[04:50:24] <Danny_B>	well, if local overrides work, then whoever can add it, so no urgent need to add it to default root
[04:51:26] <Dantman|FS>	Well... default = en... And En would likely use it most
[04:51:42] <Dantman|FS>	Though, 'local override' actually means overriding everything...
[04:51:50] <Dantman|FS>	So that gets ugly with code duplication
[04:52:28] <Dantman|FS>	I may go for a constant though... that would help
[05:00:28] <Danny_B>	how difficult would be handling of string after the pipe in interwikis? currently [[en:foo]] puts a link to "in other languages" sidebar. now if i'd like to add some functionality using the afterpipe part [[en:foo|bar]], would it be hard to handle it?
[05:05:32] <Dantman|FS>	eh? to do what?
[05:21:48] <Danny_B>	to handle the additional information provided in afterpipe part
[05:26:15] <Dantman|FS>	Hmm...
[05:26:24] <Dantman|FS>	It really depends on a few factors
[05:27:20] <Dantman|FS>	Should it be substed, is any information outside of the [[...]] required, or is it just the display text
[05:45:24] <Mike-kane>	Hi, I need to locate the part of code where a page of the wiki is actually created/edited so that I can add a simple functionality to it, any point in the right direction will be appreciated
[05:45:49] <Splarka>	when you say "a page"...
[05:46:16] <Mike-kane>	ah I forget what their called lol
[05:46:16] <Splarka>	do you mean the user interface, the interface messages, the style, the page content...?
[05:46:28] <Mike-kane>	the page content
[05:46:58] <Splarka>	/includes/parser.php ?
[05:47:06] <Splarka>	eg: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php
[05:47:30] <Splarka>	although quite a lot of functions and extensions and faerie magic goes into it
[05:47:41] <Mike-kane>	not a problem
[05:47:47] <Splarka>	well, there is an easier way
[05:47:55] <Splarka>	if you want to define some custom parser rules, just use a hook
[05:48:03] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks
[05:48:10] <Splarka>	much much more sane than editing the core code
[05:48:49] <Mike-kane>	all I need to know is that when a user creates or edits the topic "mike" or whatever my script will be run
[05:49:27] <Mike-kane>	so the exact function in their isn't necessarily important
[05:49:42] <Splarka>	so pick a hook from that list that happens on successful page save
[05:49:57] <Splarka>	and register it in a simple extension
[05:50:21] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleSaveComplete
[05:50:33] <Mike-kane>	alright, sorry, I'm fairly new to MW
[05:50:53] <Dantman|FS>	TimStarling: Be includes two characters not covered by the generic... “ and » (See http://dev.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Link_Codes) should I add them to the default... Or put them in Be as an override?
[05:58:41] <Dentor>	How i download to my local test server new skins like "Monaco", "Sapphire"? I want to create new skin modifications and visual style, but i can not make this without needed files. Sorry for my broken English. Thanks.
[06:03:33] <Mike-kane>	ah, thanks Splarka, I think I got it down now
[06:03:37] <Mike-kane>	later
[06:04:52] <Splarka>	Dentor: unfortunately wikia has not made their code public yet
[06:06:58] <Dentor>	Sparkla: It so sad :(. Thanks
[06:17:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Autoconfirmed in userrights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14523 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (soxred93)
[06:18:38] <Jacko_>	hey guys
[06:18:53] <Jacko_>	could I please get some assistance with customising the default skin?
[06:36:36] <Charitwo>	Does blocking an IP block password reset requests?
[06:45:08] <Splarka>	function mailPassword() {  .... # Check against blocked IPs  # fixme -- should we not? ...
[06:45:21] <Splarka>	if( $wgUser->isBlocked() ) {   ... $this->mainLoginForm( wfMsg( 'blocked-mailpassword' ) ); ... return;
[06:45:49] *Splarka 	pokles Charitwo
[06:46:07] <Charitwo>	does that mean yes
[06:46:32] *Charitwo 	hates php
[06:46:54] <Splarka>	well, that is an ethereal question you ask
[06:47:18] <Charitwo>	well, some ip is doing password resets on another user to harass them
[06:47:26] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=17147
[06:47:35] <Splarka>	but looks like yes
[06:48:13] <Splarka>	has Wikia put the IP back into passwordremindertext yet? that was the stupidest thing to remove...
[06:48:41] <Charitwo>	yea, the reporting user gave an IP the password resets were coming from, oddly enough no accounts match up to it
[06:49:33] <Splarka>	soblockit
[06:54:59] <Jacko_>	hey guys, how can I add more links to the side of the Wiki?
[06:55:32] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[06:55:32] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[07:00:55] <Charitwo>	!rar
[07:00:55] --mwbot--	rar
[07:05:01] <Jacko_>	ok thats a little ambiguous
[07:06:57] <Jacko_>	I am logged into my Wiki as admin
[07:07:18] <Jacko_>	but it doesnt let me edit it
[07:07:23] <_wooz>	lo
[07:07:34] <Charitwo>	Jacko_: which wiki is this?
[07:07:48] <Jacko_>	my own wiki
[07:08:08] <Jacko_>	http://houseofdoom.homeip.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[07:08:49] <Jacko_>	http://houseofdoom.homeip.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar Thats the page I am looking at
[07:09:11] <Charitwo>	can you delete protect block etc?
[07:11:49] <Jacko_>	err
[07:11:53] <Jacko_>	im a n00b :S
[07:12:15] <Charitwo>	Jacko_: goto http://houseofdoom.homeip.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Lips_the_fish ... do you see delete and protect buttons on that page?
[07:12:37] <Jacko_>	yes :)
[07:12:52] <Charitwo>	but what happens when you try to goto MediaWiki:Sidebar
[07:12:53] <Jacko_>	its ok, ive found it.
[07:13:01] <Jacko_>	sorry im not looking properly
[07:13:16] <Charitwo>	so you can edit it now?
[07:13:27] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:13:40] <Charitwo>	!rar | Nikerabbit 
[07:13:40] --mwbot--	Nikerabbit: rar
[07:13:56] <Nikerabbit>	Charitwo: raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRWRWRWRWRWR
[07:14:05] <Charitwo>	over the top
[07:14:58] <Charitwo>	Jacko_: can you edit MediaWiki:Sidebar ?
[07:15:11] <Jacko_>	yep
[07:15:32] <Charitwo>	yay
[07:17:30] <Jacko_>	thanks for the help :)
[07:17:38] <Charitwo>	no problem
[07:17:46] <Jacko_>	I am developing this for a web community that have no idea about how to do this stuff
[07:18:07] <Jacko_>	sorry if the pages look grotesque, its the sort of community that im dealing with
[07:18:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Some Ogg videos not thumbnailing properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14524 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OggHandler; (sco_scam)
[07:41:50] <Guest80402>	Hi, I am currently working on a hook to update a special table whenever mediawiki is updated, but I recieve this error on update: Catchable fatal error: Object of class User could not be converted to string in /home/ffadjl/public_html/v2/wiki/extensions/userpoints.php on line 27
[07:42:26] <Guest80402>	any thoughts on how to fix this will be appreciated
[07:53:08] <Charitwo>	Splarka: imagine loading wikia on a blackberry
[07:53:34] <Splarka>	&useskin=myskin forwin
[07:54:49] <Charitwo>	yea, but then i'd have to change it every time i come home/leave!
[07:55:09] <Splarka>	well...
[07:55:24] <Splarka>	wikia still has that url parameter that saves your skin preference?
[07:55:36] <Splarka>	you could have a javascript detect your user agent and switch accordingly
[07:55:44] <Charitwo>	i think &useskin is pageload only
[07:55:58] <Charitwo>	if you click a link, you're back to preferenced version
[07:56:02] <Splarka>	yes
[07:56:11] <Splarka>	but I remember another URL parameter like &saveskin=true or something
[07:56:19] *Splarka 	doesn't remember where Wikia was trying it though
[07:56:33] <Dantman|FS>	Eh? I thought that was part of the system
[07:56:52] <Splarka>	which?
[07:57:03] <Dantman|FS>	The &save=yes
[07:57:04] <Mike-kane>	heh, so now that I know you're all here....
[07:57:07] <Mike-kane>	<Guest80402> Hi, I am currently working on a hook to update a special table whenever mediawiki is updated, but I recieve this error on update: Catchable fatal error: Object of class User could not be converted to string in /home/ffadjl/public_html/v2/wiki/extensions/userpoints.php on line 27
[07:57:14] <Mike-kane>	any thoughts?
[07:57:19] <Splarka>	Dan: I
[07:57:24] <Splarka>	've only ever seen that on Wikia...
[07:57:38] <Splarka>	Charitwo: ^that thing thar
[07:57:41] <Dantman|FS>	bleh... that kind of thing would be good in core
[07:57:49] <Splarka>	it'd be abuseable too
[07:57:56] <Splarka>	don't go making a commit that brion has to revert!
[07:58:01] <Splarka>	discuss on the list first ^_^
[07:58:15] <Dantman|FS>	Well... really only through js
[07:58:27] <Dantman|FS>	Which could mod the cookies anyways
[07:58:36] <Dantman|FS>	but ya...
[07:58:43] <Charitwo>	so setup a shortcut to use &useskin=myskin&saveskin=true
[07:58:45] <Dantman|FS>	It goes even farther against rest
[07:59:46] <Splarka>	Charitwo: save=yes
[07:59:51] <Splarka>	(I was just guessing)
[08:01:10] <Charitwo>	save doesn't seem to work
[08:01:53] <Splarka>	well, might be something else then
[08:03:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) We would like to have a logo set at http://se.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14517  (10mickewiki)
[08:06:50] <Mike-kane>	I would like to know what this means and how to fix it VV
[08:06:51] <Mike-kane>	Catchable fatal error: Object of class User could not be converted to string in /home/ffadjl/public_html/v2/wiki/extensions/userpoints.php on line 26
[08:07:35] <Mike-kane>	if you scroll up you'll see that I asked much nicer the first 3 times :)
[08:10:21] <Dantman|FS>	Mike-kane: :/ Someone might actually know what's wrong if you gave a clip of code
[08:10:37] <Dantman|FS>	We're not magicians who can fix a bug without seeing a spec of code
[08:13:26] <Mike-kane>	well, you also didn't acknowledge it at all, so i couldn't very well tell what was needed... I'll start with the line it mentions
[08:13:27] <Mike-kane>	$query = "SELECT * FROM drupal_users WHERE `name` = '".$user."'";
[08:14:54] <Mike-kane>	it gets $user from the SaveComplete hook
[08:20:06] <Mike-kane>	hmm, well I appologize for acting short with you all, I got annoyed when I was completely ignored but it didn't help that it's 4AM and I'm on a tight deadline
[08:20:22] <Mike-kane>	I'm gonna call it quits for tonight, I guess I'll come looking for help tomorrow
[08:22:35] <DiCeR>	Is there any simple ways to audit/edit a given users properties? 
[08:23:06] <DiCeR>	Extension? A peek in the Database?
[08:35:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logo of sq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14525 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (cradel)
[08:35:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo of sq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14525   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[08:58:06] <Stwalkerster>	If I get a "Fatal error: Out of memory" on the maintainance/importDump.php script, but the memory usage of the script keeps changing, what's happened? Has the import stopped, or has it stopped on that thread only? If it has stopped, why is the memory usage modulating?
[09:06:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) logo of sq.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14513  (10N/A)
[09:27:29] <CIA-53>	03raymond * r36255 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[09:27:29] <CIA-53>	Remove non standard, Gecko specific CSS.
[09:27:29] <CIA-53>	At least Opera whines about it and the round corners are not consistent to all other boxes with square corners.
[09:29:49] <ImMortaL>	when i upload a file \ image to the server through wiki system
[09:29:55] <ImMortaL>	it uploads fine
[09:30:01] <ImMortaL>	but doesnt shows the picture
[09:30:05] <ImMortaL>	for e.g http://math-pl.co.il/maagar/index.php/%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94:Logo.gif
[09:31:46] <CIA-53>	03jojo * r36256 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/README.txt: include instruction to adjust the "modern" skin
[09:32:32] <Fox_1_>	Hi all
[09:34:12] <Fox_1_>	people Is there away to only give access to certian pages to certian people?
[09:35:30] <cpet>	anyone around at 4am ? :p
[09:36:12] <ImMortaL>	.
[09:36:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoconfirmed in userrights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14523  +comment (10huji.huji)
[09:37:04] <cpet>	Reading the mediawiki help I see a lot of link to Mediawiki:Common.css
[09:37:06] <TimStarling>	it's not 4am except for in one tiny slice of the world
[09:37:15] <cpet>	how do I use that ?
[09:37:45] <cpet>	I am trying to make a table with class="wikitable" all i get is text and no table like it is shown in the page
[09:39:17] <TimStarling>	have you tried reading the manual?
[09:39:49] <cpet>	I am now but I am confused so I simply make that article ?
[09:50:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  +comment (10kelsington)
[09:54:09] <Dantman|FS>	ImMortaL: Your web paths are misconfigured
[09:54:38] <Dantman|FS>	What should be /images is set as /index.php/images
[09:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  (10ned)
[09:54:55] <Dantman|FS>	You likely miscofigured the paths
[09:55:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link trail on Slavic "=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=AF?=" character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14512  +comment (10huji.huji)
[09:55:49] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_afk: whines?
[09:56:48] <Raymond_afk>	Nikerabbit: reported as:
[09:56:53] <Raymond_afk>	opera:
[09:56:55] <Raymond_afk>		-moz-border-radius is an unknown property
[09:56:57] <Raymond_afk>		Line 1448:
[09:56:58] <Raymond_afk>		-moz-border-radius: 6px;
[09:57:13] <Raymond_afk>	and it has no effect
[10:00:25] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_afk: of course it shouldn't have any effect on opera, it's the recommended way of specifying browser extensions
[10:03:08] <Raymond_afk>	Nikerabbit: yeah but I see no sense for this non standard code. And as I wrote, round corners are inconsistent to our style
[10:04:07] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_afk: well can't see in the mail diffs what elements they actually belong to
[10:04:33] <Raymond_afk>	Nikerabbit: only on multipage image pages for DjVu files
[10:05:15] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[10:05:22] <Raymond_afk>	like http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:American_Poetry_1922.djvu&page=3
[10:05:25] <Nikerabbit>	doesn't matter then.. they are ugly anyway
[10:09:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  problem with position of checkbox for a minoredit by starting a new section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14515  summary; +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[10:12:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link trail on Slavic "=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=AF?=" character - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14512  (10dan_the_man)
[10:19:26] <Tiga>	okay, I've read online documentation and it doesn't cover my issue.  anyone awake?
[10:19:51] <ronkaaL>	probably better to just ask the question
[10:20:57] <Tiga>	I'm getting the "fatal error: allowed memory sixe of xxxxxxxx bytes exhaused (tried to allocate xxxxx bytes) in ..../Santizer.php on line 107" error
[10:21:10] <Laaknor>	fix your php.ini
[10:21:14] <cirwin>	edit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[10:21:20] <Tiga>	but it only comes up when I veiw from vista/firefox, but not mac/firefox
[10:21:30] <cirwin>	that's very peculiar
[10:21:42] <cirwin>	but increasing the memory limit should just fix it
[10:21:44] <Tiga>	indeed, otherwise I would have edited the .ini by now anyway
[10:21:54] <cirwin>	maybe it stores the browser string somewhere
[10:22:05] <cirwin>	and one is `just` short enough to work :)
[10:22:24] <Tiga>	I'm mostly just curios why it doesn't work depening on the user's OS.
[10:22:37] <cirwin>	that is very odd
[10:22:39] <cirwin>	I agree
[10:23:01] <Tiga>	I'll give you a link if you want to see for yourself: http://www.designanddata.net/wiki
[10:23:35] <cirwin>	fails in debian/iceweasel (~firefox)
[10:23:42] <Tiga>	I'd change the php.ini but I don't have access to it without a lot of arguing with my fileserver hosts.
[10:23:43] <ImMortaL>	Dantman|FS how do i make it right ?
[10:23:49] <ialex>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 19456 bytes) in /home/teswi/public_html/wiki/includes/Sanitizer.php on line 107 <- Mac/FF3b5
[10:24:09] <cirwin>	fails debian/ie6 too
[10:24:12] <Tiga>	hrm..
[10:24:20] <Dantman|FS>	ImMortal: You're going to have to show us the paths you configured in your LocalSettings.php
[10:24:29] <Tiga>	oh wait
[10:24:36] <cirwin>	maybe the one in which it works is just cached?
[10:24:39] <Tiga>	I just ovvrid cache
[10:24:45] <cirwin>	heh
[10:24:50] <Tiga>	:P my bad
[10:25:06] <cirwin>	mediawiki eats memory like there's no tomorrow
[10:25:21] <Nikerabbit>	not true :o
[10:25:28] <cirwin>	is true :p
[10:25:32] <Tiga>	damn.  I'm really not looking forward to my fileserver people.  I might just stick with the glossary I had up before
[10:25:34] <Nikerabbit>	8 is just too little
[10:25:55] <cirwin>	32MB is not too little, and I was getting out of memory with that
[10:26:29] <Nikerabbit>	well 32 isn't a lot either, and I would be suprised if there were cases when it's not enough
[10:26:53] <Tiga>	frankly I was amazed that my f-server only allocated 8 anyway
[10:26:56] <cirwin>	it's 1000 times bigger than the largest page I tried to serve
[10:27:35] <Nikerabbit>	cirwin: geeesh, those pages don't come from nowhere, they need to be generated....
[10:27:43] <Tiga>	surely the standard webserver has more than 64mb ram anyway
[10:27:54] <cirwin>	yes - but do you really need 1000bytes overhead for every byte of output?
[10:28:01] <ImMortaL>	Dantman|FS done, on ur pm
[10:28:16] <Nikerabbit>	fyi I have 130M limit on my server, which has some heave tasks, and wikimedia has what, 80M or 50M?
[10:28:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Smarty Template @ skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844  (10mick)
[10:28:21] <Dantman|FS>	Now if my computer wasn't so shitty
[10:28:34] <Nikerabbit>	cirwin: yes, php doesn't have very efficient memory structures
[10:28:39] <ImMortaL>	lol
[10:28:41] <ImMortaL>	sec
[10:28:42] <cirwin>	I dunno, I think I'm geting out of memory on Wiktionary
[10:28:50] <cirwin>	but as it doesn't give the error message it's hard to tell
[10:29:03] <Nikerabbit>	mediawiki has tens of megabytes of source code anyway..
[10:29:10] <cirwin>	yes, I know
[10:29:14] <cirwin>	and its ever-increasing
[10:29:48] <Tiga>	took a few hours just to transfer the damn tarball over
[10:29:50] <Nikerabbit>	the hardest part is finding out what takes the memory...
[10:29:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Smarty Template @ skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5844  +comment (10mick)
[10:30:01] <Nikerabbit>	Tiga: 8M is the default
[10:30:15] <cirwin>	hmm, 16M was the default for me
[10:30:23] <Nomad9941>	needed 32
[10:30:44] <Tiga>	yeah but I went for a cheapy f-server because I didn't think a basic site would need that much even with wiki
[10:30:53] <flyingparchment>	what is an f-server?
[10:30:59] <Tiga>	file sever
[10:31:09] <cirwin>	Tiga: it really shouldn;t ;)
[10:31:13] <Nikerabbit>	but one has to remember that's per process limit, if you have many simultaneous requests... it eats quite a lot of memory
[10:31:24] <Tiga>	ppft my site ain't that active
[10:31:29] <flyingparchment>	hmm.. if you run a web server on it, it's really just a fileserver anymore ;)
[10:31:32] <flyingparchment>	er, not realy
[10:31:39] <Tiga>	I doubt if there was ever more than just me using it at a time
[10:32:10] <Tiga>	well true.  s/filesever/webserver
[10:32:12] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, 8MB is not enough to run mediawiki, it probably loads that much of sourcecode on normal process
[10:32:20] <Tiga>	lol
[10:33:06] <Tiga>	I'll stick with my glossary until I really need it then.  ty for the help guys.
[10:33:12] <Nikerabbit>	that's the life.. you don't run mysql with 20MB either...
[10:34:59] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: oh, you probably haven't got much information how my SoC is going on :)
[10:50:02] <Shaiaqua>	Oversight isn't showing up in the list of special pages. I have the permissions needed for it, but it doesn't work. It also shows error: nonexisting special page rather than a permissions error
[10:52:15] <ialex>	Shaiaqua: did you install the extension?
[10:52:35] <Tiga>	thanks again for the support.  <3
[10:52:59] <Shaiaqua>	ialex: yup
[10:53:46] <Nikerabbit>	Shaiaqua: didn't you have this problem yesterday...?
[10:54:03] <Shaiaqua>	yea
[10:54:13] <Shaiaqua>	still won't work
[10:54:16] <Dantman|FS>	Man don't you hate the PHP Manual
[10:54:30] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman|FS: not really, I have the things that it contains
[10:55:05] *cirwin 	votes to rewrite mediawiki in python!
[10:55:27] *Nikerabbit 	mods cirwin -1, troll :o
[10:55:28] <Dantman|FS>	All those statements of "Now in PHP5, unlike in PHP4 you don't need to create a reference to an object with =&, it's done automatically and now = is the same as =&"
[10:55:45] <Dantman|FS>	Baloney... = and =& aren't the same... in fact it's quite confusing and annoying
[10:56:06] <Dantman|FS>	= creates a new handle pointing to the object, and =& points to the same handle
[10:56:08] <cirwin>	documentation = confusing & annoying, because it's written by the people who don't need to read it
[10:56:12] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman|FS: one shouldn't think =& as an operator
[10:57:22] <Nikerabbit>	if you attach the & to the target, you don't have to remember which side of = it belongs :)
[10:57:44] <Dantman|FS>	Meh... that's not my issue
[10:58:04] <Dantman|FS>	"References Explained" states that if you use $a = 5; then $a =& $b; then $a = null; $b will still contain 5... However that's not the case for objects
[10:58:31] <Dantman|FS>	If you do $a = new stdClass(); $a =& $b; then $a = null; $b will also be null.
[10:59:10] <Dantman|FS>	:/ That gave me an annoying bug that took me 3 days to solve
[10:59:17] <Nikerabbit>	:O
[10:59:30] <cirwin>	Dantman|FS: if you have any choice, don't use php ;)
[10:59:36] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[10:59:36] <Nikerabbit>	solution: don't ever use & in php until you have to, and test it well
[11:00:18] <cirwin>	I was wondering about using the pspell functions for spell-checking search terms in mediawiki, anyone tried something like that before?
[11:00:20] <Nikerabbit>	and never for objects.. that doesn't make any sense :o
[11:00:21] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ That also tells me the convention of $dbw =& wfGetDB( ... ); should actually be $dbw = wfGetDB( ... );
[11:01:14] *Dantman|FS 	checks the definition of wfGetDB
[11:01:34] <Nikerabbit>	nothing to check, it returns objects...
[11:04:50] <Dantman|FS>	O_O aaaaaaackk...
[11:05:06] <Dantman|FS>	function &wfGetDB
[11:05:43] <Dantman|FS>	$evilVar =& wfGetDB( DB_MASTER ); $evilVar = null;
[11:07:34] <Dantman|FS>	Mkay... that's short circuted by the wfGetLB
[11:07:55] <Dantman|FS>	Though... that's a bit of a false definition
[11:09:15] <Dantman|FS>	wfGetDB doesn't return a reference in the way & indicates... It returns a cloned handle because the function it calls does not give it a reference.
[11:09:48] <Dantman|FS>	T_T Oh crap... I'm starting to /understand/ PHP a little tooo deeply...
[11:10:06] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman|FS: what is a handle?
[11:10:17] <Nikerabbit>	I thougt only resources have handles
[11:11:01] <Dantman|FS>	http://ca.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.basic.php#79856
[11:11:15] <Dantman|FS>	Very iluminating on how PHP is actually doing this all
[11:11:59] <Dantman|FS>	When you're working with objects... You're actually passing arround handles to the objects... So variable to handle is the same as variable to data...
[11:12:18] <Dantman|FS>	In the case of instances... variable to instance is not the same as variable to data
[11:13:29] <Dantman|FS>	Rather... $var = &data;  is the equiv to $var = object
[11:13:59] <Nikerabbit>	well, that isn't new
[11:14:41] <Dantman|FS>	Well I mean that literally...
[11:15:24] <Dantman|FS>	The PHP manual overzealously makes statements that trigger the reader to think $var = obj; and $var =& obj; do the EXACT same thing.
[11:15:52] <Nikerabbit>	then I have to agree with you that the manual is crap
[11:16:00] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[11:16:08] <Nikerabbit>	but objects beings special shouldn't be anything new :o
[11:16:42] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ It should honnestly be using the statement "When you think of variables and classes, think in terms of variables and handles in terms of references"
[11:16:58] <Dantman|FS>	bleh... maybe a bit of rewording
[11:19:25] <Dantman|FS>	:/ Now if I can only find a cleaner way to create an object using a variable amount of parameters
[11:26:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[11:32:05] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman|FS: varargs to factory?
[11:32:18] <Dantman|FS>	Hmmm?
[11:32:37] <Nikerabbit>	or what are you trying to do?
[11:34:03] <Dantman|FS>	new $class; new $class( $arg[0] ); new $class( $arg[0], $arg[1] ); ... Trying to create an object, using a list of parameters inside of an array... Guess the only way to do that is the same way MW does... A real ugly function
[11:34:58] <TimStarling>	that's why we have the function
[11:36:35] <Dantman|FS>	T_T And backtracking back to Lisp... Yup... easily done... Kinda the point of macros
[11:45:06] <Shaiaqua>	hrm, oversight is giving PHP Fatal error:  Class 'SpecialPage' not found in C:\Apache\htdocs\w\extensions
[11:45:08] <Shaiaqua>	\Oversight\HideRevision_body.php on line 6 when I run the body file from cmd, and it's not listed or accessible
[11:45:10] <Shaiaqua>	Why is it doing that?
[11:48:21] <ialex>	Shaiaqua: the _body.php should only be included when necessary
[11:48:47] <Shaiaqua>	still, why doesn't that page show up in mediawiki?
[11:48:58] <ialex>	and requires that the autoloader works
[11:49:40] <Shaiaqua>	it does, many other extensions are working fine
[11:50:21] <ialex>	yeah, but it isn't avaible when loading LocalSettings.php
[11:50:31] <Shaiaqua>	?
[11:50:41] <ialex>	only a bit atfer
[11:50:49] <ialex>	*after
[11:51:53] <ialex>	that file will be loaded when it'll needed by mediawiki, you don't need to load it manually
[11:52:18] <Shaiaqua>	odd, I moved it to the top of the requires and now it works
[12:19:31] <Nomad9941>	hi, i need breadcrumbs based on the site structure, but all extensions use category or session. any suggestions?
[12:38:29] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Normal editors by default see stable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14510  +comment (10chrislb)
[12:52:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API Exception - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; ()
[12:53:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  summary (10sam)
[12:57:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  (10sam)
[12:58:11] <Reedy>	^Doesnt seem to like tuesday/wednesday on the &blredirect
[12:59:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  (10sam)
[13:07:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  normal->04CRIT; normal->highest; +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[13:09:38] <Simetrical>	"Exception in DeliciousHandler"
[13:18:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[13:23:06] <CIA-53>	03btongminh * r36257 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryBacklinks.php): (bug 14526) Unescaped SQL in list=backlinks
[13:27:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[13:39:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API Exception - internal_api_error_DBQueryError - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14526  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[13:50:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Autoconfirmed in userrights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14523  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:52:18] <Danny_B>	do blocked bots still have api high limits?
[13:55:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoconfirmed in userrights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14523  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:56:56] <Denisius>	I have a question.
[13:57:38] <Denisius>	I am trying to use a link to start a certain program (Telnet), to a certain address with a port.
[13:58:18] <Denisius>	But using [telnet://LINK.com:2000:NAME]  will not show the name, but will show [1].
[13:58:35] <Denisius>	How can I have it show the name?
[14:00:00] <Denisius>	(I want for people to be able to use that link to connect to my MUD)
[14:00:13] <CIA-53>	03jojo * r36258 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php Collection.php): changed help page handling
[14:02:22] <Danny_B>	Denisius: [telnet://LINK.com:2000:NAME string-to-be-displayed]
[14:03:02] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36259 10/trunk/extensions/ (9 files in 8 dirs): Add Hebrew localization for various Wikimedia extensions.
[14:03:31] <Duesentrieb>	Danny_B: is telnet: a valid protocol per default?
[14:04:07] <Danny_B>	don't have an idea but it apparently worked for him since he got [1] instead of plaintext
[14:04:30] <Danny_B>	and iirc telnet is, but not 100% sure
[14:04:48] <Duesentrieb>	well, it case it's not:
[14:04:55] <Duesentrieb>	!wg UrlProtocols
[14:04:55] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols
[14:05:26] <Danny_B>	Duesentrieb: in that case we'll have that guy back soon ;-)
[14:05:34] <Duesentrieb>	!protocols
[14:05:34] --mwbot--	To allow additional protocols (prefixes) for urls ("free links"), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols>
[14:07:02] <CIA-53>	03jojo * r36260 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/README.txt: README.txt adjusted
[14:10:23] <ImMortaL>	hey im trying to install texvc
[14:10:29] <ImMortaL>	ive downloaded
[14:10:38] <ImMortaL>	ImageMagick-6.4.1-6.i386.rpm and ocaml-3.10.1-1.fc7.src.rpm
[14:10:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Normal editors by default see stable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14510  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:10:53] <ImMortaL>	but how do i install it after i upload them?
[14:12:41] <ImMortaL>	ive went to makefile 
[14:12:46] <ImMortaL>	and it gave me this
[14:12:49] <ImMortaL>	http://www.math-pl.co.il/maagar/math/Makefile
[14:17:38] <Duesentrieb>	ImMortaL: run the makefile.
[14:17:53] <Duesentrieb>	ImMortaL: i.e., go to the math directory and say make
[14:18:05] <Duesentrieb>	if it doesn't work, you are missing buildessentials or some requried library.
[14:23:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Normal editors by default see stable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14510  (10chrislb)
[14:29:51] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Normal editors by default see stable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14510  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:49:29] <Wiredtape>	Howdy Splarka :)
[14:55:00] <Chriswaterguy>	Is this the place to ask fromatting questions? I have two right aligned objects and I want them one under the other, but the second one ends up to the left, instead of underneath.
[14:55:31] <Platonides>	set style clear:right to the second
[14:55:50] <Chriswaterguy>	It's at http://www.appropedia.org/Portal:Green_living
[14:55:51] <Chriswaterguy>	ok
[14:57:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Spelling mistake - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14527 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (ed_ward_graham)
[15:00:02] <Chriswaterguy>	thanks Platonides!
[15:00:27] <Platonides>	:)
[15:00:35] <Nomad9941>	Someone here with knowledge of how pages relate to eachother?
[15:01:45] <Nomad9941>	i want to make a breadcrumb based on hierarchy but i cant find a hierarchy in the db, it seems that pages are not hierarchly ordered so there are no child pages. every page is equal. is my presumption correct?
[15:02:03] <Nomad9941>	or are some pages more equal than others?
[15:02:15] <Platonides>	Nomad9941, all pages are equal
[15:02:39] <Platonides>	there is a bit of hierachy in that pages can be in categories
[15:02:48] <Platonides>	and caregories can be in other caegories
[15:03:07] <Platonides>	but there's no transitive property
[15:03:13] <Platonides>	nor easy was to know all descendants
[15:04:05] <Nomad9941>	thats why most breadcrumb scripts are based on session
[15:04:12] <Nomad9941>	mmm
[15:04:20] <Nomad9941>	k tnx Platonides
[15:04:39] <Platonides>	if the pages have slashes
[15:04:55] <Platonides>	mediawiki can be configured to show it as subpages and a breadcrumb
[15:05:16] <Platonides>	but it's just for the user eye
[15:05:26] <Platonides>	they're as pages as pages without /
[15:05:47] <Nomad9941>	yeah. i will think of something different, that sounds like a quick fix ;)
[15:09:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Linebreaks are mishandled in <blockquote> and <li> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6200  +comment (10michael)
[15:15:23] <ImMortaL>	how can i change the size of the limit of the picture upload ?
[15:15:41] <ImMortaL>	i mean when i upload a big picture it gives me errors and doesnt show the picture
[15:15:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Trim spaces on Checkuser IP input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14528 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (user.jpgordon)
[15:19:56] <Platonides>	ImMortaL, you'll likely need to change the upload values at php.ini
[15:26:11] <ImMortaL>	which values ?
[15:26:31] <ImMortaL>	and where is the php.ini file ?
[15:27:23] <Platonides>	usually on /etc/
[15:27:32] <Platonides>	or in a subfolder of /etc/php5
[15:27:32] <neil_d>	just setup a mediawiki :)  How do I get rid of the 'Donations' item in the 'Navigation' section on the left ?
[15:32:02] <ImMortaL>	mediawiki:sidebar
[15:32:11] <ImMortaL>	neil_d
[15:33:00] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: and what does that mean?  
[15:33:36] <ImMortaL>	there u can edit the sidebar
[15:33:54] <ImMortaL>	on ur wiki location
[15:33:55] <ImMortaL>	type
[15:34:01] <ImMortaL>	mediawiki:sidebar
[15:34:08] <ImMortaL>	or media_wiki:sidebar
[15:34:09] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36261 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_UploadWindow.php: Added handling for fields that contain a list of files, instead of just one
[15:34:14] <ImMortaL>	!sidebar
[15:34:14] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[15:34:22] <ImMortaL>	here u go
[15:34:41] <ImMortaL>	Platonides i cant fund such folder . 
[15:34:44] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36262 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/ (SF_AddData.php SF_EditData.php): Added 'noindex' and 'nofollow' meta tags
[15:34:58] <neil_d>	ok I will try.
[15:35:05] <ImMortaL>	!etc
[15:35:05] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "etc". You might try: !css !deleteuser !nopackages 
[15:35:11] <ImMortaL>	!php.ini
[15:35:11] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "php.ini". You might try: !errors !session 
[15:35:37] <Danny_B>	ImMortaL: use #wmbot for checking, pls
[15:35:43] <Danny_B>	i mean #mwbot
[15:36:19] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36263 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: 
[15:36:19] <CIA-53>	Fixes for autocompletion, added handling for uploading for fields that contain
[15:36:19] <CIA-53>	a list of files instead of just one
[15:36:19] <ImMortaL>	where can i find the php.ini file ?
[15:37:10] <Danny_B>	my friend google says http://php.net/ini.core
[15:37:18] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36264 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: sffGetAllPagesForProperty_1_0() renamed to sffGetAllPagesForProperty_1_2()
[15:37:20] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: ok I created a link and I got a page, but no edit option :( what now ?
[15:37:37] <Cincy>	Hi All
[15:38:10] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36265 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_AutocompleteAPI.php: sffGetAllPagesForProperty_1_0() renamed to sffGetAllPagesForProperty_1_2()
[15:38:11] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: what system are you using ?
[15:38:57] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36266 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageDe.php: 'Formulardiskussion' changed to 'Formular Diskussion'
[15:39:47] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36267 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/skins/SF_main.css: Fixed handling of width for mandatory textareas
[15:39:59] <Cincy>	When using internal links is there any way to display a different name for the link other than the page name?
[15:40:27] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36268 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.2.3
[15:40:27] <cirwin>	Cincy: [[page|link text]]
[15:41:00] <Cincy>	Cirwin -  Really.. Sweet thank!!
[15:41:07] <cirwin>	np
[15:41:14] <ImMortaL>	Danny_B i need the php.ini file in the mediawiki system
[15:41:20] <ImMortaL>	this is my prob :
[15:41:27] <ImMortaL>	how can i change the size of the limit of the picture upload ?
[15:41:39] <ImMortaL>	i mean when i upload a big picture it gives me errors and doesnt show the picture
[15:41:58] <Danny_B>	isn't that in localsettings.php instead?
[15:41:59] <ImMortaL>	neil_d : u should have an edit option , im using for my wiki , LINUX
[15:42:15] <ImMortaL>	Danny_B i cant find nothing in the localsetting
[15:42:31] <ImMortaL>	that relate to my prob
[15:42:45] <ImMortaL>	do u know which parameter is relates to my prob ?
[15:43:23] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: try "find /etc -name php.ini"  to find that file.
[15:43:37] <Platonides>	Danny_B, i think it's not
[15:44:04] <ImMortaL>	neil_d my wiki is on a hosting service.. so i cant use it
[15:44:20] <Danny_B>	ok, i was just wondering
[15:44:29] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: what are you trying to do ?
[15:44:37] <ImMortaL>	read above . 
[15:44:38] <Danny_B>	on the basis of what i read
[15:44:53] <Platonides>	you may be able to change that settings using ini_set
[15:44:59] <ImMortaL>	to increase the size limit  of the pictures
[15:45:00] <Danny_B>	ImMortaL: most probably if you're on shared hosting you won't have access to php.ini
[15:46:02] <ImMortaL>	so how do i  increase the size limit  of the pictures that upload to wikimedia system ?
[15:46:08] <ImMortaL>	through " upload to server "
[15:47:42] <Danny_B>	do blocked bots still have api high limits?
[15:48:24] <alnokta>	they shouldn't
[15:49:48] <Danny_B>	ImMortaL: check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads
[15:49:53] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: hello
[15:49:58] <Platonides>	i don't think that a it's-not-blocked check is being made for api-high-limits
[15:50:56] <Platonides>	ImMortaL, try putting on localsettings  ini_set('upload_max_filesize', 600*1024*1024)
[15:51:13] <Platonides>	(with a trailing ; )
[16:00:51] <ImMortaL>	this is what i get when the picture is "too big"
[16:00:51] <ImMortaL>	Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: SAFE MODE Restriction in effect. The script whose uid/gid is 40415/40415 is not allowed to access /mounted-storage/home94b/sub006/sc49471-HPSH/www/maagar/images/thumb owned by uid/gid 99/99 in /mounted-storage/home94b/sub006/sc49471-HPSH/www/maagar/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1649
[16:01:47] <ImMortaL>	Danny_B
[16:03:25] <Danny_B>	ImMortaL: i am not enough experienced to answer your question. i've already said everything i knew, sorry can't help more
[16:06:57] <Platonides>	chown /mounted-storage/home94b/sub006/sc49471-HPSH/www/maagar/images/thumb to be at group 40415
[16:11:07] <Atluxity>	how hard is it to customize the toolbar above the edit-textbox? just add a button
[16:11:26] <ImMortaL>	Platonides u mean to change the chmod to 775 ?
[16:11:29] <ImMortaL>	or 777 ?
[16:11:53] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: I fixed my problem thanks, I did some reading, it appears that the owner of the directory you are trying to copy to different from what is allowed.
[16:12:59] <neil_d>	ImMortaL:  can you change the owner of the image directory ?
[16:13:21] <ImMortaL>	sec ive changed it
[16:14:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RDF export from semantic queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14529 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus)
[16:16:39] <ImMortaL>	everytime i give it a 777 chmod it turns back to 755.....
[16:18:11] <neil_d>	ImMortaL: can you change the owner:group of the images/thumb directory ?
[16:18:29] <ImMortaL>	i am the admin 
[16:18:42] <ImMortaL>	im using the flashfxp program to change the chmod
[16:24:33] <Charitwo>	!rar | Skizzerz
[16:24:33] --mwbot--	Skizzerz: rar
[16:24:42] <Skizzerz>	...
[16:26:16] <Skizzerz>	Charitwo: please don't make crap factoids on the bot. It makes it more difficult when someone wants to get real help and they trigger one of those instead thinking it does something else
[16:26:29] <Charitwo>	its been like that for a few weeks
[16:26:34] <Skizzerz>	heh
[16:36:16] <bjwebb>	hi
[16:36:46] <bjwebb>	where can i find out the .htaccess rewrite rule to get / to redirect to /wiki/
[16:43:03] <Skizzerz>	!shorturl | bjwebb
[16:43:03] --mwbot--	bjwebb: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[16:43:17] <bjwebb>	ive got wiki/Pagename
[16:43:20] <Skizzerz>	it's in a few of them, you'll just have to search a bit :)
[16:43:33] <Skizzerz>	can't remember it off the top of my head
[16:44:12] <bjwebb>	hmmmm
[16:44:34] <bjwebb>	i just want one redirect, i already have wiki/NAME
[16:44:53] <Skizzerz>	yeah, I know
[16:46:00] <Skizzerz>	found it
[16:46:05] <Skizzerz>	RewriteRule ^/*$ wiki/ [L,QSA]
[16:46:52] <bjwebb>	oh
[16:47:56] <bjwebb>	huh
[16:48:07] <bjwebb>	i already had that line
[16:55:06] <Zathraz>	Hi. I am trying to change the logo in mediawiki 1.7.1 but to no avail
[16:55:23] <Zathraz>	I put a png file in /var/www/pics/
[16:55:38] <Zathraz>	and changed localsettings.php
[16:55:48] <Zathraz>	I get no error on screen and nothing in the logs
[16:55:52] <Zathraz>	any ideas please?
[16:56:46] <Nikerabbit>	hellllou
[16:57:52] <Simetrical>	Zathraz, do you have a link to your site?
[16:58:26] <Simetrical>	Generally bad logo settings can be most easily debugged by looking at the HTML source.
[16:58:54] <Zathraz>	Simetrical, it's an intranet
[16:59:21] <MinuteElectron>	That is irrelevant.
[16:59:27] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, no it's not.
[16:59:28] <MinuteElectron>	What did you put in LocalSettings.php
[16:59:29] <Simetrical>	It means he can't give a link.
[16:59:34] <Simetrical>	Zathraz, can you post the HTML source of the main page to a pastebin?
[16:59:36] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: oh, right
[16:59:46] <MinuteElectron>	sorry
[17:02:31] <Zathraz>	Simetrical, http://rafb.net/p/AvH7uf80.html
[17:04:01] <Simetrical>	Zathraz, you have the logo set to "pics/panoptic_logoklein.png".  You want it to be "/pics/panoptic_logoklein.png".
[17:04:43] <Simetrical>	The first goes to /var/www/mediawiki/pics/panoptic_logoklein.png, or /var/www/mediawiki/index.php/panoptic_logoklein.png, or something like that.
[17:04:55] <Zathraz>	aha
[17:04:56] <Zathraz>	ty
[17:05:56] <Zathraz>	now it works
[17:06:01] <Zathraz>	thank you very much
[17:10:38] <Cincy>	Is there anyway to alias the page title so it can be called one name in the page code but still display a different name in the normal view?
[17:10:58] <Simetrical>	Cincy, for what purpose?
[17:11:59] <Cincy>	 well I have a lot of people and I'm grouping them by title and then by funtion  so for each title group I jsut want the page title to display the title but the actual page name is function+title so I can keep them all seperate
[17:14:01] <Cincy>	does that make sense?
[17:14:14] <Simetrical>	Cincy, the problem is that then you'll have people trying to copy the page name and paste it into a [[wikilink]], for instance, and it will fail.
[17:14:31] <Cincy>	Thats a good point
[17:14:41] <Simetrical>	It's pretty confusing.
[17:14:54] <Simetrical>	So no, it's not allowed, generally.
[17:15:01] <Cincy>	It just looks sloppy the way it is
[17:18:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  (10robin_1273)
[17:18:19] <Cincy>	So when you say generally does that mean there is work around?
[17:20:25] <Simetrical>	Cincy, it's allowed using {{displaytitle:}}, but only when the displayed title will work in a link, basically.  So you could have the title of a page named "pivot root" display as "pivot_root", since [[pivot_root]] will go to the correct article.
[17:21:18] <Cincy>	So the name would still have to be close to the original?
[17:21:45] <Simetrical>	Very close, yes.  Almost identical, except swapping spaces for underscores and/or lowercasing the first letter, pretty much.
[17:22:00] <Cincy>	oh ok  thats ashame
[17:22:08] <Simetrical>	Maybe adding a # at the end would be okay too, not sure off-hand.
[17:22:44] <Cincy>	I'm suprised there not functionality for that
[17:23:05] <Simetrical>	It's potentially pretty confusing.
[17:23:50] <Cincy>	Yeah but still, page aliasing shouldn't distort the page linking
[17:24:01] <Cincy>	wichful thinking I guess
[17:26:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (atluxity)
[17:32:51] <Dethdude>	good day
[17:34:40] <Dethdude>	does anyone know what's the ajax extension of mediawiki that creates opens search criteria "based on what you just typed"?
[17:35:39] <help_help>	w
[17:35:50] <Simetrical>	Dethdude, do you mean OpenSearch or do you mean typing in the Search box at the left of the page?
[17:36:10] <help_help>	anyone know how to hide the view source button from non-sysops?
[17:37:00] <Dethdude>	I mean typing the search box (then it shows different search criteria including your phrase)
[17:37:25] <Atluxity>	help_help: I dont know the answer to your question, but I am quriouse, why do you want that?
[17:37:27] <Simetrical>	Dethdude, that's a core feature as of 1.13.
[17:37:44] <CIA-53>	03tstarling * r36269 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ (5 files): Automatic extension snapshot/download system, to be installed on www.mediawiki.org.
[17:37:49] <Simetrical>	help_help, there's no way in the core software.  You could hide the button with CSS, but people could still always manually enter the URL.
[17:38:18] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki is not designed for obfuscation of page content.  There are probably ten different ways to get the source of the page.
[17:38:27] <help_help>	o i see, thanks
[17:38:39] <Simetrical>	I doubt you really need this.  If you do, my advice is to find other wiki software.
[17:38:50] <Atluxity>	Simetrical: whould it be possible to restrivt it through htaccess or simular, but still make it visible for admins?
[17:38:51] <Dethdude>	ok Sim, how do I activate? Or does it shows up according to the article?
[17:39:06] <Simetrical>	Dethdude, it's a config option, let me look it up.
[17:39:20] <Dethdude>	ok, thanks for taking the time
[17:39:49] <TimStarling>	Simetrical:  maybe help_help means he wants the view source button to be hidden for visual reasons, like it is on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
[17:40:38] <Simetrical>	Dethdude, I think it's $wgEnableMWSuggest.
[17:41:12] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, yes, but then I don't get to be snippy, do I?  Anyway, wikimediafoundation.org is a great example of something that shouldn't really be using a wiki, and it wouldn't be if it weren't, uh, the Wikimedia Foundation.
[17:41:30] <Dethdude>	ok ok
[17:41:40] <Dethdude>	thanks so much, i'll try it
[17:42:07] <Simetrical>	I wonder why it's off by default?
[17:42:25] <TimStarling>	my brief was to port it to drupal, but drupal made me cry
[17:42:26] <Dethdude>	browser compatibility issues?
[17:42:39] <TimStarling>	so I set that up in MediaWiki in about 10 minutes
[17:43:20] <TimStarling>	drupal really does suck in a lot of ways
[17:44:33] <e_s_p>	It's impressive that way
[17:44:34] <Simetrical>	Well, it would be pretty reasonable to set it up as MW just because it looks visually consistent with all other Wikimedia sites; and for some strange reason Wikimedia employees tend to have a high degree of familiarity with the software already.
[17:44:45] <Simetrical>	But those excuses mostly don't work for third parties.
[17:45:01] <TimStarling>	so what should third parties use?
[17:45:11] <e_s_p>	As a CMS?
[17:45:24] <Dethdude>	is there any extension to admin editions of articles and/or accept/decline editions?
[17:45:28] <TimStarling>	like what? silverlight?
[17:45:47] <e_s_p>	Dethdude: kind of, but not
[17:45:50] <TimStarling>	tiki?
[17:46:21] <Dethdude>	e_s_p: and that's?
[17:46:30] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, I know bugger all about CMSes.
[17:46:33] <e_s_p>	Flagged edits, but that's not really what you want
[17:46:40] <Simetrical>	So heck if I know.
[17:46:44] <e_s_p>	I think there's a CMS matrix somewhere
[17:47:05] <e_s_p>	www.cmsmatrix.org
[17:47:08] <e_s_p>	Shoulda guessed
[17:47:48] <e_s_p>	Dethdude: another option is recent changes patrol, but that's more after-the-fact auditing
[17:48:09] <Simetrical>	Dethdude, you might want to look at FlaggedRevs.
[17:48:11] <Dethdude>	ok, and what about limit editing to only registered users?
[17:48:18] <Simetrical>	!prevacc | Dethdude 
[17:48:18] --mwbot--	Dethdude: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[17:49:00] <e_s_p>	I think if you want to, you can make MediaWiki work as a FORTRAN compiler
[17:49:23] <Simetrical>	. . .
[17:49:29] <TimStarling>	with the SkinPerPage extension, $wgRawHTML and whitelist editing, mediawiki seems to turn into a pretty effective CMS
[17:49:36] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, do you know of any reason $wgEnableMWSuggest is false by default?
[17:49:48] <TimStarling>	Simetrical: I don't know, maybe it sucks
[17:49:56] <Simetrical>	Doesn't Wikipedia use it?
[17:50:09] <TimStarling>	yes, does it suck there?
[17:50:20] <Simetrical>	Not so I've noticed.
[17:50:30] <Dethdude>	I've changed $wgEnableMWSuggest to true and nothing happens ... ?
[17:50:41] <TimStarling>	why don't you ask whoever wrote it why it isn't on by default
[17:51:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[17:51:52] <MinuteElectron>	Very few of the AJAX features are on by default, they put quite a lot of stress under smaller wikis servers.
[17:52:13] <MinuteElectron>	And consume lots of bandwidth in some cases.
[17:52:32] *cirwin|afw 	wonders curiously what AJAX features there are 'cept watchlist
[17:53:02] <flyingparchment>	does suggest even work with mysql search?
[17:54:05] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, it's a B-tree lookup, why would the search type matter?
[17:54:12] <Simetrical>	At least by default, it just looks for the prefix.
[17:54:32] <Simetrical>	And displays results alphabetically.
[17:54:47] <Simetrical>	Seems to be doing that on Wikipedia too.
[17:54:50] <flyingparchment>	ah, i thought that was the feature which suggests corrections to search results
[17:55:27] *cirwin 	wants to write one using aspell
[17:55:34] <cirwin>	but it's hard to work out how to do it nicely
[17:56:03] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, no, it's the one that runs an HTTP request and database query on every key press.
[17:56:17] <flyingparchment>	yes, i see that now
[17:56:36] <Nikerabbit>	cirwin: ajax show editors (could be better), live preview (broken)
[17:56:38] <TimStarling>	did you see my ExtensionDistributor commit?
[17:57:08] *cirwin 	didn't
[17:57:27] <TimStarling>	it's an extension I wrote today to generate .tar.gz files for MW extensions on demand
[17:57:39] <TimStarling>	so that people don't have to copy and paste from the browser in viewvc
[17:58:01] <TimStarling>	which is a bit tedious
[17:58:09] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: I did, why did you use Xml::element( ... ) and not Xml::hidden() ? O_o
[17:58:35] <TimStarling>	because I can't remember the calling convention for that many functions
[17:58:39] <TimStarling>	but I have learnt HTML
[17:59:11] <TimStarling>	so it's faster to use element() than to work out which functions exist for specific elements
[18:00:15] <Simetrical>	And what the parameters mean for those specific elements.
[18:00:32] <Simetrical>	I so wish we had Python's calling convention of named parameters as an option.
[18:01:10] <Simetrical>	Xml.input( name: "wpSubmit", type: "submit" )
[18:01:17] <Simetrical>	PHP is so clunky.
[18:02:04] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: yeah..
[18:02:08] <TimStarling>	the idea is to install ExtensionDistributor at about the same time as I commit fixes for a huge stack of security vulnerabilities in extensions
[18:02:13] *cirwin 	votes for complete rewrite in python ;)
[18:02:19] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: but xml::hidden is one of the most useful ones
[18:02:28] <TimStarling>	I backported the fixes to the 1.10, 1.11 and 1.12 branches today
[18:02:32] *Nikerabbit 	mods cirwin +2 insightful
[18:03:16] <Simetrical>	Now, if there were only a way to get PHP and Python to talk to each other nicely, we could do an incremental rewrite.
[18:03:29] <Simetrical>	I wish.  :(
[18:03:31] <TimStarling>	crazy talk
[18:03:48] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, the xml functions are bad, because they either take pre-escaped (or some unescaped) output, and one needs to go around it by awkward ways
[18:04:04] <Nikerabbit>	it should be possible just to append other xml elements inside others easily or something like that
[18:04:41] <TimStarling>	like having Xml::element() return an object with a __toString() method?
[18:04:57] <TimStarling>	hmmm, but you can't override concatenation, it could get a bit ugly
[18:05:29] <TimStarling>	there's always Xml::tags()
[18:07:09] <Nikerabbit>	something like the XmlSelect class but more general...
[18:08:11] <TimStarling>	good night
[18:08:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  (10atluxity)
[18:08:37] <Nikerabbit>	one could implement all kinds of weird interfaces, like $a = Xml::factory( 'span' ); $a['class'] = 'baa'; $a['#text'] = wfMsg( 'boo' );
[18:08:42] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#To_interwiki_recent_changed_500_articles <-- Didn't hear about sed, I guess?
[18:09:10] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, as long as you can initialize from an array literal.
[18:09:24] <Simetrical>	The DOM-style "create element.  add property. add property. ..." approach sucks.
[18:09:42] *cirwin 	agrees
[18:10:14] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: functions with mile long parameters isn't any better
[18:10:29] <Nikerabbit>	and as long as we don't have the python candy, combination of the two could be nice...
[18:10:56] <Simetrical>	Xml::factory( 'span', array( 'class' => 'baa', '#text' => wfMsg( 'boo' ) ) ) isn't bad.
[18:11:10] <Simetrical>	We have plenty of functions like that, e.g., Database class functions.
[18:11:13] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: but inputLabel... I have to always check the order of params
[18:11:37] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[18:11:40] <Simetrical>	Why can't we just use literal bloody HTML?
[18:11:42] <Nikerabbit>	didn't even read what you write
[18:12:00] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: why do we have to use the bloody HTML in the first place??
[18:12:15] <Nikerabbit>	can't we just build some kind of structure which can be formatted as whatever
[18:12:26] <Simetrical>	Or maybe for escaping, something like html( '<span class="foo bar baz">%s</span>', wfMsg( 'blah' ) ), with %s auto-escaping?
[18:12:51] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, because we all know HTML and none of us know whatever crazy structure you're making up that's used by nobody in the whole world except MediaWiki, but which must be at least as complicated as HTML.
[18:13:00] <Simetrical>	Standards exist for a reason.
[18:13:57] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: it's error-phone, pita for extension which want to customize mediawiki ui with hooks...
[18:14:12] <Simetrical>	How's it any more error-prone than anything else?
[18:14:26] <MostafaDaneshvar>	why can a Bureaucrat delete a sysops user?
[18:14:33] <Simetrical>	How's it a problem for extensions?  Give them points to inject HTML.
[18:14:48] <Simetrical>	MostafaDaneshvar, no one can normally delete anyone else's account.  The functionality does not exist in the core software.
[18:15:13] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: because it's so bloody over-verbose with all those weird characters and strict syntax
[18:15:45] <Simetrical>	I have never seen an HTML abstraction layer that's less verbose than HTML.
[18:16:20] <Simetrical>	Nor that has less strict syntax, although syntax errors might be caught at parse time.
[18:16:40] <Simetrical>	But HTML is easy to write correctly if you're careful and understand it.  Using an abstraction layer correctly requires understanding the abstraction layer.
[18:16:51] <Simetrical>	Which is often not worth the benefit.
[18:16:55] <Simetrical>	Not everything needs to be abstracted.
[18:18:21] <MostafaDaneshvar>	Simetrical, I am speaking generally. but a Bureaucrat can change group of a sysops user. Is my understanding is correct?
[18:19:01] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: I don't disagree... but html is still so overtly verbose and full of weird chars
[18:19:24] <Nikerabbit>	the bad thing, so is php syntax, so we have double verbosity at best
[18:19:39] <Simetrical>	MostafaDaneshvar, in the default configuration, yes, bureaucrats can change any user's groups arbitrarily.  This can be adjusted however you like.
[18:20:10] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, right.  If you had a nice language like Python, you *might* have an argument.  But you don't, you have PHP, which is at least as ugly as HTML while being much more poorly suited to the purpose.
[18:20:41] <MostafaDaneshvar>	Simetrical,aha. thanks
[18:21:28] <cirwin>	HTML is slowly being replaced by javascript, for better or worse
[18:24:34] <Nikerabbit>	everything is being replaced by javascript, mostly for worse
[18:25:29] <cirwin>	javascript is pretty good, it's just a pity that that everyone has their own DOM implementation
[18:26:08] <Nikerabbit>	with qt it comes to your desktop, to your clock, to your dreams!
[18:26:42] *cirwin 	will write a new language, and it'll be so perfect that everything that came before it will become obsolete overnight (drools)
[18:27:25] <rainman-sr>	Simetrical, about mwsuggest stuff, it's not on because: 1) it kinda sucks on default install (case insensitive only on first letter), 2) it was tested for a while before brion enabled it on wmf thus i checked it in as off by default
[18:29:38] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[18:29:57] <Nikerabbit>	rainman-sr: is it possible to fix 1)?
[18:30:14] <siebrand>	MostafaDaneshvar: if you want to delete users, you could consider using UserMerge and merge to a dummy user as target account, deleting the source account.
[18:30:29] <rainman-sr>	Nikerabbit, there is an extension that fixes it (TitleKey), but not with the default table/index structure in core mw
[18:33:49] <MostafaDaneshvar>	siebrand, I am just working on my localhost wiki. I saw that a lower-level user can change group of a sysop user.
[18:35:11] <Mike-kane>	Hi, I am having an issue with a new hook I added to run a custom script on ArticleSaveComplete.  The error reads: "
[18:35:11] <Mike-kane>	Catchable fatal error: Object of class User could not be converted to string in /home/ffadjl/public_html/v2/wiki/extensions/userpoints.php on line 26
[18:35:36] <Mike-kane>	any ideas what might be wrong with the $user object?
[18:35:41] <ialex>	$user->getName()
[18:36:15] <Mike-kane>	sorry, ialex is that for me?
[18:36:18] <Mike-kane>	seems like it is :P
[18:36:27] <ialex>	yes
[18:36:32] <ialex>	if you want a string containing the user name
[18:37:04] <Mike-kane>	that I do, let me try that real quick
[18:39:55] <Mike-kane>	hmmm Fatal error: Call to a member function getName() on a non-object in /home/ffadjl/public_html/v2/wiki/extensions/userpoints.php on line 16
[18:40:39] <Mike-kane>	do I run that line inside the hooks function?
[18:42:01] <ialex>	Mike-kane: can i see the code?
[18:42:14] <ialex>	hello Aaron_Schulz
[18:42:24] <ialex>	*AaronSchulz
[18:42:25] <AaronSchulz>	hey
[18:42:28] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[18:42:32] <ialex>	:)
[18:42:42] <Mike-kane>	Its a little long
[18:42:47] <Mike-kane>	but alright
[18:42:51] <ialex>	sec
[18:42:52] <cirwin>	pastebin!
[18:42:53] <AaronSchulz>	SVN has been kind of quite
[18:43:20] <ialex>	Mike-kane: use http://rafb.net/paste/
[18:43:28] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: yes ^^
[18:44:35] <Mike-kane>	wait a sec here
[18:44:39] <Mike-kane>	I think I got past that
[18:44:51] <Mike-kane>	now its giving the same error for article
[18:45:22] <Mike-kane>	$article->GetArticle() maybe?
[18:46:53] <ialex>	Mike-kane: you want the name of the article?
[18:47:48] <Mike-kane>	yes lol
[18:47:52] <ialex>	$article->getTitle()->getPrefixedDBKey()
[18:48:05] <Mike-kane>	both functions?
[18:48:24] <Simetrical>	Or getPrefixedText() if you want spaces instead of underscores.
[18:49:22] <Mike-kane>	its calling that last one an undefined method
[18:49:34] <Mike-kane>	I'll try one of the others
[18:51:56] <Mike-kane>	now we're getting somewhere lol...where it is Idk
[18:52:00] <Mike-kane>	Column count doesn't match value count at row 1
[18:52:51] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36270 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: fix for r36212: take care of the namespace too
[18:54:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Prevent Indexing of Forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14445  +comment (10yaron57)
[19:01:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) We would like to have a logo set at http://se.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14517  (10mickewiki)
[19:01:10] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36271 10/trunk/ (25 files in 25 dirs): More Hebrew translations for extensions.
[19:08:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  +comment (10post)
[19:09:42] <Direnzo>	Hi all, I wonder how one can ensure that custom links on a mediawiki installation are translated, when choosing a language that is different from the default one
[19:09:52] <Direnzo>	The problem is the translation of the links in the left menu in
[19:09:54] <Direnzo>	http://wiki.bc-team.org/index.php?title=Hauptseite
[19:09:55] <Direnzo>	in e.g. English
[19:09:57] <Direnzo>	http://wiki.bc-team.org/index.php?title=Hauptseite&uselang=en
[19:09:58] <Direnzo>	or any other language
[19:10:00] <Direnzo>	Does anyone have a link on how to edit the PHP ini files?
[19:10:39] <Mike-kane>	okay ialex, this one might be a little harder, but I promise it's my last one :P, I need to know if a post is labeled as a minor edit or not
[19:10:41] <Direnzo>	I hope I made myself clear :-)
[19:11:19] <ialex>	Mike-kane: see the history, there should be "m" if it's minor
[19:12:38] <Mike-kane>	ah no
[19:12:50] <Mike-kane>	I meant the function needs to know, the one I was working on earlier
[19:12:52] <Mike-kane>	sorry :P
[19:12:56] <cirwin>	Direnze edit [Mediawiki:Sidebar/en] ?
[19:13:02] <cirwin>	Direnzo (sorry)
[19:13:27] <Mike-kane>	I think I got it now though, thanks for all the help ialex!
[19:13:52] <Direnzo>	I'll have a look
[19:14:34] <ialex>	Mike-kane: it should be in $minoredit
[19:14:48] <ialex>	(if it's for ArticleSave complete hook)
[19:15:49] <Direnzo>	cirwin: thanks a lot :p
[19:16:16] <Mike-kane>	thanks
[19:16:39] <Mike-kane>	the wiki has it listed as $isminor in one spot and $minoredit in the other
[19:17:16] <ialex>	Mike-kane: it depends of the name of the variable name used for that parameter ;)
[19:17:21] <Simetrical>	Mike-kane, the variable name is arbitrary, for hook parameters.
[19:19:59] <Mike-kane>	lol okay
[19:20:03] <Mike-kane>	I think I get that
[19:20:18] <Mike-kane>	thanks you two
[19:20:25] <Mike-kane>	hook is all set =)
[19:23:49] <hp2133>	I have a little mediawiki for my own data organizing.  Is Extension:Lucene-search the best way to add a search?
[19:24:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) texhtml needs nowrap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438  (10giecrilj)
[19:25:37] <Simetrical>	hp2133, search will work by default with MySQL 5, or I think an appropriate version of pgsql.
[19:25:46] <Simetrical>	Lucene should only be necessary for large sites.
[19:28:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <i> should be <var> in texvc HTML output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10434  (10giecrilj)
[19:30:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Error with use fo nonexisting messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (shaiaquanature)
[19:31:28] <hp2133>	Simetrical: I'm running MySQL 5 (stock Ubuntu) with mediawiki installed from tar.  The searchs are rather lacking.  Does something need to be enabled?
[19:32:10] <hp2133>	Simetrical: I have a bunch of notes on setting up Xen but a search for xen turns up nothing.  Other searches work, but I suspect it is not really compete.
[19:32:49] <rainman-sr>	hp2133, this is a common problem with mysql, read mediawiki faq
[19:33:19] <rainman-sr>	(i.e. short words don't get indexed by default)
[19:33:28] <hp2133>	rainman-sr: let me guess, 3 letters too little.  okay I'll read
[19:37:37] <CIA-53>	03ashley * r36272 10/trunk/extensions/RDF/Rdf.php: extension credits for RDF extension
[19:47:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) shared.css: Prepend Cambria to texhtml fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14532 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (giecrilj)
[19:49:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Some changes for the ReplaceText extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14533 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (robin_1273)
[19:52:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) texhtml needs nowrap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:03:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New informational security message for user .js pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14534 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (rockmfr)
[20:08:08] <Carni>	hello, i am having an issue setting up my wiki. I am installing on a Godaddy free account for now, with PHP 5.x and Mediawiki 1.12. After the install, which goes without a hitch, i get this on the main page : "2039"
[20:08:17] <Carni>	does anyone have any ideas?
[20:08:28] <Carni>	wiki is located at http://gatlinburgtnonline.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[20:16:35] <Duesentrieb>	Carni: looks like something is trying to inject banners into the html code and fucks it up.
[20:16:47] <Duesentrieb>	"something" being "godaddy", probably.
[20:17:39] <Carni>	well, i thought that was a possibility, but why was the install page not screwed?
[20:18:27] <Duesentrieb>	because it'S much simpler html, maybe
[20:18:29] <Duesentrieb>	i dunno
[20:18:32] <Duesentrieb>	ask them
[20:18:41] <Carni>	k
[20:18:45] <Duesentrieb>	injecting stuff into html pages is Evil (tm)
[20:18:53] <Duesentrieb>	you get what you pay for, i guess
[20:18:57] <Carni>	true
[20:19:00] <Carni>	this was just a test
[20:19:07] <Carni>	if it ran ok, i was going to upgrade
[20:19:36] <Duesentrieb>	Carni: have you seen https://hostingconnection.godaddy.com/Application/MediaWiki.aspx
[20:20:21] <Carni>	interesting
[20:20:25] <Carni>	looking at it now
[20:20:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change autoconfirmed settings on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14191  +comment (10royalguard11)
[20:25:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  (10atluxity)
[20:57:51] <siebrand>	is there any reason why a non-existing file in <gallery> would not link to it's file description page?
[20:58:55] <siebrand>	now it takes some copy/paste to see if it was deleted and why. Non-existing files linked outside of galleries have a red link.
[21:02:45] <gegema>	sorry if this is not apprprite... fiorst couple of searches on google did not yield what I wanted... How can I dleted image files already uploaded?
[21:04:42] <ialex>	gegema: delete the page
[21:04:48] <ialex>	...
[21:29:18] <Shaiaqua>	How would one go about adding extension messages outside an extension?
[21:29:33] <Shaiaqua>	erm, interface messages, sorry
[21:33:05] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.array-merge.php#81546
[21:33:08] <AaronSchulz>	I love that post
[21:33:35] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, I just fixed a bug caused by pretty much the same thing.
[21:34:16] <AaronSchulz>	I feel into the trap recently, but fixed it shortly after
[21:34:47] <AaronSchulz>	*fell
[21:34:53] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[21:42:46] <marchelly>	re
[21:58:59] <u435607_>	hi
[22:00:51] <u435607_>	I have a mediawiki installation which I would like to copy to the cdrom fro offline access. What I would like is to be able to see it without setting up an apache and php on the client machine. Is it possible to convert mediawiki xml dump to static html files and then copy them to cdron?
[22:01:16] <u435607_>	I was thinking about wikitaxi but looks like it only supports wikipedia dumps
[22:03:09] <MinuteElectron>	!e DumpHTML | u435607_ 
[22:03:09] --mwbot--	u435607_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML
[22:04:27] <u435607_>	thanks!
[22:04:56] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: do you know of a config setting that can allow cascading protection for other levels (besides sysop)
[22:11:16] <Simetrical>	Alexfusco5, allowing for any other permission means that anyone with that permission can protect a page (by including it in the cascade-protected page, which they can edit).
[22:11:35] <Alexfusco5>	Simetrical: I mean custom levels
[22:12:31] <Simetrical>	Alexfusco5, protection against any group that doesn't have the "protect" permission has that problem.
[22:12:52] <Simetrical>	That is, protection that permits any group to edit that doesn't have 'protect'.
[22:12:58] <Simetrical>	If they do have 'protect', protecting pages against them is pointless.
[22:13:01] <Alexfusco5>	Simetrical: I mean a level '''higher''' then sysop :P
[22:13:16] <Simetrical>	Sysops can unprotect any page, so what's the point in protecting things from them?
[22:13:32] <Alexfusco5>	Simetrical: not true :P
[22:13:48] <Alexfusco5>	if they don't have the right to edit it, they can't change it
[22:14:16] <Simetrical>	Oh, hmm.
[22:14:18] <Simetrical>	Dunno.
[22:15:19] <Alexfusco5>	Simetrical: because one seems to work automatically
[22:15:31] <Alexfusco5>	and the other won't work at all
[22:25:04] <josh43>	I have an odd, quick question that google is useless for: where is the documentation of how the page title "Project:" gets handled? I created a new page, and it completely threw me for a loop
[22:27:05] <AaronSchulz>	Alexfusco5: any level that is for a group that has 'protect' can cascade
[22:30:43] <Simetrical>	Protection levels aren't for groups, they're for permissions . . .
[22:37:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error with nonexisting interface messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531  summary (10shaiaquanature)
[22:41:50] <Stwalkerster>	is there a script somewhere that will change the table prefix in my database for mediawiki?
[22:45:10] <JhoanB>	sd
[23:10:07] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: no, thy are groups
[23:10:11] <AaronSchulz>	*they
[23:10:41] <AaronSchulz>	hmm
[23:12:10] <AaronSchulz>	'sysop' threw me off
[23:15:18] <AaronSchulz>	then some of this code doesn't make sense then
[23:28:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[23:32:19] <CIA-53>	03aaron * r36273 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: 
[23:32:20] <CIA-53>	* Fix confused code
[23:32:20] <CIA-53>	* Break lone line
[23:32:39] <AaronSchulz>	ok, better
[23:53:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  (10post)