[00:00:32] <MZMcBride>	Seems like it's on en.wiki. :/
[00:00:36] <MZMcBride>	Only. *
[00:00:55] *MZMcBride 	goes to investigate further.
[00:01:06] <Splarka>	check your prefs?
[00:01:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Preferred video format in the user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14565 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (jeroenvrp)
[00:02:28] <Smaug>	anybody here a wiki family guy?
[00:02:38] <MZMcBride>	!wikifamily | Smaug 
[00:02:38] --mwbot--	Smaug: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[00:02:42] <MZMcBride>	Read that?
[00:02:50] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: I didn't see any particular preference that applied.
[00:02:55] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: yup
[00:03:05] <Smaug>	it is that page that I would like to ask clarification about
[00:03:08] <Splarka>	MZM: no fields set to 1000 mysteriously?
[00:03:14] <Smaug>	I’m looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_3:_Quick_set-up, and it is a little confusing.  I get that a central file is named LocalSettings.php, which in turn includes the proper LocalSettings for a specific wiki.  
[00:03:22] <Smaug>	But if I am aiming to have wikis in different directories, like www.domain.com/w/ (htaccessed to appear as www.domain.com/wiki/) and www.domain.com/other/wiki2/, then if someone navigates to /other/wiki2, how will the LocalSettings.php in /w/ or /wiki/ get activated (I don’t know the real word)?
[00:03:50] <MZMcBride>	All the actual configuration files stay in one directory, with one copy of each.
[00:04:13] <MZMcBride>	Your issue sounds like you need to write decent RewriteRules.
[00:04:13] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: right
[00:04:32] <Splarka>	MZM: any other paginated things happen with a 1000 limit? like recentchanges, newpages, whatlinkshere, watchlist, etc?
[00:04:39] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: it's a question, I'm trying to understand how it works, and also (my next question) what rewrite rules I'll need, if any
[00:05:13] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: Ahh, it's "Titles in recent changes:" it seems.
[00:05:29] <MZMcBride>	Well, that's no fair.
[00:05:47] <MZMcBride>	It's a "Recent changes" tab and the description only describes recent changes.
[00:05:54] *MZMcBride 	runs to Bugzilla to whine.
[00:06:15] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: if all config files are in one directory, then if a person navigates to a different directory, how are the config files activiated?
[00:06:33] <MZMcBride>	The physical directories are always the same, as I understand it.
[00:06:50] <Smaug>	so are all the wikis in the same director, with RewriteRules making it seems different?
[00:07:16] <MZMcBride>	Well, it depends on you configure it, I suppose.
[00:07:29] <MZMcBride>	Wikimedia has a /w directory where all of the files reside.
[00:07:29] <Splarka>	MZM: you could change all links to recent changes via JS to append &limit=1000, and then set that back to 50
[00:07:53] <MZMcBride>	I visit RecentChanges like once a year, usually to see myself flooding it with a rogue bot. ;)
[00:08:21] <AaronSchulz>	Warning: require_once(SpecialRecentchanges.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\includes\specials\Recentchangeslinked.php on line 11
[00:08:24] <Splarka>	heh, so bookmark it, and set yourself back to 50
[00:08:25] <AaronSchulz>	goddamit shit
[00:08:30] <MZMcBride>	Smaug: And they use subdomains so that all URLs are /wiki/Page_name.
[00:08:42] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: I did. But that shit is deceptive.
[00:08:44] <Smaug>	I want to have it appear that main wiki is xxx.com/wiki/Main_Page, while other wikis are xxx.com/other/stuff1/Main_Page, xxx.com/other/Stuff2/Main_Page
[00:08:54] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: is subdomains easier than directories?
[00:09:06] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: i'm not doing multilanguages, yet, so i'd rather directories
[00:09:07] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: fine with most recent rev
[00:09:14] <MZMcBride>	I'm not really sure, to be honest. I've never done a wiki family setup.
[00:09:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to remove log entries from watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14552  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:09:23] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: oh, okay
[00:09:29] <MZMcBride>	I'm familiar-ish with how Wikimedia's is set up.
[00:09:57] *MZMcBride 	ponders.
[00:10:03] <MZMcBride>	RewriteRules are _always_ a bitch.
[00:10:08] <Smaug>	MZMcBride: yeah
[00:10:13] <Smaug>	I tried to write my own once
[00:10:21] <Smaug>	Did NOT work at all
[00:10:59] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, that problem wouldn't occur if Recentchanges.php used static methods.  Then it could be autoloaded.
[00:11:03] <Simetrical>	Someone needs to clean it up.
[00:11:19] <Smaug>	anybody here have experience with a wiki family from the same set of source files?
[00:11:34] <AaronSchulz>	Warning: NewPagesForm::require_once(SpecialRecentchanges.php) [function.NewPagesForm-require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\includes\specials\Newpages.php on line 270
[00:11:51] <AaronSchulz>	well, removing the calls seems to work
[00:11:59] <AaronSchulz>	they don't appear to be needed
[00:12:06] <MZMcBride>	Can I just say that RecentChanges and page histories are much, much faster with 50 items?
[00:12:15] <AaronSchulz>	though just correcting the name is maybe safer
[00:12:30] <AaronSchulz>	the JS slows it down
[00:12:31] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, that's dangerous.
[00:12:34] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: upgrade to most recent revision and there won't we a problem :P
[00:12:38] <AaronSchulz>	mmm....JS sloware
[00:12:39] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, it might get loaded through some other include path.
[00:13:00] <Splarka>	Smaug: you might try asking (and being ignored) in #wikia too
[00:13:08] <Smaug>	Splarka: thanks for the idea
[00:13:16] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: 'require_once( 'Recentchanges.php' );'
[00:13:30] <AaronSchulz>	I meant "safer" as in not breaking ;)
[00:13:30] <Splarka>	they do most wikis on the same main domain as subdomains, foo.wikia.com && bar.wikia.com
[00:13:34] <AaronSchulz>	but it works without
[00:13:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Recent changes preference is deceptive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14566 minor; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (MZMcBride)
[00:13:44] <MZMcBride>	:O
[00:13:47] <AaronSchulz>	maybe they are no longer necessary at all then
[00:13:48] <Splarka>	but they also do them on completely separate domains, uncyclopedia.org, wikiality.com, etc, all using the same code base
[00:14:13] <Splarka>	and IIRC, memory-alpha.org runs multiple languages as subfolders instead of subdomains, but maybe I misremember
[00:14:17] <Mason>	Hey, I made a table, and how do I make it so that its at the right of the page?
[00:14:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to remove log entries from watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14552  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:14:33] <Smaug>	Splarka: will ask there
[00:14:39] <Splarka>	Mason: style="float:right;"
[00:14:56] <Splarka>	put it above whatever you want it to float to the right of (floating cascades down)
[00:15:21] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: are the require_once things needed or not?
[00:15:33] *AaronSchulz 	pokes brion
[00:15:35] <Splarka>	{| style="width:50%;float:right;border:1px solid grey;margin:10px;"
[00:15:48] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, they are.
[00:15:58] <Simetrical>	(probably)
[00:17:02] <Mason>	thanks
[00:17:24] <CIA-53>	03aaron * r36362 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (Newpages.php Recentchangeslinked.php): Fix more total breakage
[00:17:31] <Simetrical>	 PHP Warning:  preg_match() [<a href='function.preg-match'
[00:17:31] <Simetrical>	>function.preg-match</a>]: Compilation failed: support for \P, \p, and \X has no
[00:17:31] <Simetrical>	t been compiled at offset 5 in /var/www/w/includes/Linker.php on line 1295
[00:17:42] *Simetrical 	looks for Dantman
[00:18:18] <AaronSchulz>	I always love it when large parts of trunk are unusable ;)
[00:20:49] *Splarka 	watches Wikimedia devs scurry like ants in the wake of 36353, as well
[00:23:52] <Simetrical>	KILLS ALL BLAMES :( (I think)
[00:24:34] *MZMcBride 	is fit as a fiddle now that page loads are snappy quick.
[00:30:03] <Splarka>	Simetrical: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/Newpages.php?view=annotate
[00:30:10] <Splarka>	WF, WFM
[00:32:03] <Simetrical>	Splarka, hmm, maybe the old ones were moved improperly or something.
[00:32:04] <Simetrical>	Let me see.
[00:35:38] <Davinci2008>	hi there
[00:39:16] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: At least all default special pages *load* :-P
[00:39:58] <Davinci2008>	I am planning to make a website for writers of literature using media wiki
[00:40:25] <Davinci2008>	I have a newbie question: do I need to host the site on my PC or can I use an external server?
[00:40:56] <Davinci2008>	well, it seems the last one is
[00:41:00] <Davinci2008>	only using Apache
[00:41:28] <^demon>	And a database.
[00:41:43] <flyingparchment>	you don't need apache, any web server will do as long as it supports php
[00:42:08] <^demon>	But a database is required, of course.
[00:44:18] <Alexfusco5>	^demon: r35360 works fine :)
[00:44:59] *Alexfusco5 	doesn't see any errors that are reported above
[00:46:44] <Davinci2008>	yes, a database
[00:46:48] <Davinci2008>	MySQL
[00:47:02] <Davinci2008>	so, I am planning to use it in a public server...
[00:47:08] <Davinci2008>	then, I have to find out if they have PHP
[00:47:18] <Davinci2008>	and MySQL...
[00:47:33] <Davinci2008>	because they should provide the programs, I mean the owners of the servers?
[00:57:22] <Smaug>	Davinci2008: yes
[00:57:40] <Smaug>	Davinci2008: if you buy Shared hosting, it should have MySQL and PHP already on it
[00:57:44] <Smaug>	you install MW yourself
[01:06:04] <Davinci2008>	cool
[01:06:18] <Davinci2008>	I will have to find out if my host has both of them
[01:06:36] <Davinci2008>	isn't there a free hosting with those? I guess no...
[01:14:52] <Davinci2008>	I will install it on Ubuntu
[01:14:58] <Davinci2008>	for testing purposes, first, on my computer
[01:15:06] <Davinci2008>	could it work?
[01:15:37] <Davinci2008>	Apache does not seem to work there, the rpm needs a lot of dependencies
[01:15:46] <Davinci2008>	and rpm -vih does not ignore them...
[01:16:52] <flyingparchment>	well, using rpm on ubuntu would be your first problem
[01:17:02] <Davinci2008>	I think it is
[01:17:16] <Davinci2008>	the other option would be to compile apache
[01:17:26] <Davinci2008>	I did not find any binaries which were not rpm
[01:19:55] <Davinci2008>	it would be hard, as everything on Linux
[01:20:41] <Simetrical>	Davinci2008, why are you using RPMs on Ubuntu?  Type sudo apt-get install apache2.
[01:20:51] <Simetrical>	It will install everything automatically for you, with dependencies.
[01:21:19] <Simetrical>	Ubuntu normally uses .deb files, not .rpm, but in either case you shouldn't have to actually be mucking with the package files yourself to install Apache.
[01:28:52] <Davinci2008>	ah
[01:29:04] <Davinci2008>	I did not know the package name was apache2
[01:29:17] <Davinci2008>	anyway, I downloaded rpm2tgz, converted the rpm to tgz
[01:29:19] <Davinci2008>	and installed it
[01:29:25] <Davinci2008>	I think I just need to restart
[01:29:35] <Davinci2008>	see ya
[01:29:41] <Davinci2008>	I'll be back...
[01:31:06] <Simetrical>	. . .
[01:31:16] <Simetrical>	There goes someone who has no idea how package management is supposed to work.
[01:35:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: local hiding of account names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14476  (10N/A)
[01:44:51] <eghjaytee>	Hello, can anyone tell me how to make an image link to a page when clicked, and not to the image's page?
[01:45:21] <Splarka>	!imagelink
[01:45:21] --mwbot--	Image linking is intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page is always available. If you need image links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images> for methods and information. One way to achieve this is <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon>.
[01:49:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable template inclusion from Commons (transclusion => interwiki templates, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4547  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:08:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14281  (10banyantreewp)
[02:25:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: local hiding of account names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14476  (10WJBscribe)
[02:39:16] <CIA-53>	03shinjiman * r36363 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[02:49:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:09:11] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36364 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Bug 14566 - Clarify what 'rclimit' actually does.
[03:09:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Recent changes preference is deceptive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14566  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:12:21] <Mason>	Hey, how do I move the 'content' boxes?
[03:13:46] <MZMcBride>	Content boxes? What kind?
[03:14:06] <Mason>	Like the box that says 'Contents' and has all of the headers on the page
[03:14:21] <MZMcBride>	Ah, the Table of Contents.
[03:14:28] <MZMcBride>	You can use a <div> to move it.
[03:14:37] <MZMcBride>	<div style="float:right;">__TOC__</div>
[03:15:10] <Mason>	Oh ok, because, all of a sudden, they started moving into tables that I had made
[03:16:26] <MZMcBride>	Ahh.
[03:16:44] <MZMcBride>	You may want to try applying style="clear:both" to the tables or something.
[03:18:36] <Mason>	Ah, I just typed __TOC__ in the text and it moved it
[03:18:46] <Mason>	I was just wondering why it was popping up in my tables
[03:19:54] <Mason>	thanks
[03:21:34] <MZMcBride>	You're welcome.
[03:40:28] <^demon>	Is there a trick to using wfMsgReplaceArgs()?
[03:40:54] <MZMcBride>	Sacrifice a live goat?
[03:41:30] <^demon>	MZMcBride: The floor's been bloody for 45 minutes ;-)
[03:41:39] <MZMcBride>	Hehe.
[03:42:20] <^demon>	I'm using wfMsgReplaceArgs ( 'key' array( $two, $values ) );, but it's just returning 'key'
[03:42:30] <^demon>	And not the usual <key> on a non-existing message.
[03:43:37] <^demon>	And using wfMsg() returns the message with the $1 and $2, so I'm sure it's in and loading.
[03:46:06] <^demon>	Got it, nevermind ;-)
[03:46:34] <Splarka>	^demon: the trick then was to talk in tongues, and manifest paranoia and schitzophrenia
[03:46:45] <Splarka>	which let you answer your own question
[03:47:17] <^demon>	Well, I just have the parents of 30 virgins to explain a rather unfortunate accident then....
[03:51:54] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36365 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 14558) New system message (emailuserfooter) is now added to the footer of e-mails sent with Special:Emailuser. "Emailuserfooter' was already defined in the message rebuild script, but was unused.
[03:52:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Email user: disclaimer/footnote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14558  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:53:17] <^demon>	(Makes sense imo. Most email-a-user systems in most forums, etc have the standard "Sent by bla bla, we are not responsible.")
[03:55:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create patroller and rollbacker group on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D14568 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (irmvol)
[03:56:58] <nakon>	hmm, why'd the URL get messed up on that one?
[03:57:39] <u>	!bug 14568!bug 14568
[03:57:39] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14568%21bug
[03:57:44] <u>	oops
[03:57:47] <u>	!bug 14568
[03:57:47] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14568
[03:58:24] *u 	kicks wikibugs
[04:01:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create patroller and rollbacker group on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14568  (10irmvol)
[04:34:44] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36366 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Other params that are useful to this message. Hasn't been translated yet, so no downstream effects.
[04:52:39] <CIA-53>	03nad * r36367 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php: 1.0.5 - fix $wgTidy bug
[05:02:05] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Emails sent via EmailUser should be more identifiable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13714  +comment (10meno25wiki)
[05:02:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Email user: disclaimer/footnote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14558  +comment (10meno25wiki)
[05:15:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create the 'MediaWiki default' user on wiki creation, or on upgrade if user does not exist. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14569 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (nickpj)
[05:59:55] <CIA-53>	03nad * r36368 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php: comments
[06:35:58] <u>	...
[06:47:28] <u>	:|
[06:47:36] <u>	miss
[06:51:03] <MZMcGroom>	ooo
[06:51:24] <u>	Gender change MZ?
[06:51:34] <MZMcGroom>	Mebbe.
[06:53:10] *Splarka 	is now known as Splarko
[06:53:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change interwiki name for Old Church Slavonic Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14537  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[06:54:31] <u>	With that long hair of yours its hard to tell either way O_o
[06:54:57] <Splarka>	the facial hair helps
[06:55:10] <Splarka>	<stereotype>except in Europe</stereotype>
[07:07:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some changes for the ReplaceText extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14533   +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[07:15:31] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Technical opt-out for global groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14556  +comment (10Andrew)
[07:16:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global groups defined for certain sets of wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14556  summary (10Andrew)
[07:22:14] <abcod>	Hi is there any timeline extensions for mediawiki?
[07:22:31] <MZMcGroom>	Yes.
[07:22:40] <MZMcGroom>	!extensionmatrix
[07:22:40] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[07:22:43] <MZMcGroom>	Check there.
[07:23:05] <abcod>	thanks
[07:30:20] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36369 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[07:31:48] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36370 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Sending e-mail using Special:EmailUser does reveal the e-mail address of the sender.
[07:34:13] <faceface>	can someone remeber that work about automatically defining 'confidence' or 'trustworthyness' in wikipedia articles?
[07:34:43] <faceface>	It was teh work of a research group somewhere... the idea was to color an article by how trustworthy it was using an algorithm
[07:35:35] <faceface>	de Alfaro and his team are developing software that will color text different hues of orange if the text may be less than trustworthy.
[07:35:39] <faceface>	http://www.vanseodesign.com/blog/social-media/can-you-trust-the-wikipedia/
[07:35:57] <faceface>	Thanks to Luca de Alfaro and colleagues at the University of California, Santa Cruz you may soon be able to know which parts of a given Wikipedia page you can and can’t trust. ;D
[07:36:42] <Splarka>	trust the date, trust the red/blue indication of page existence, trust nothing else
[07:37:01] <faceface>	Splarka: that is kind of the point
[07:37:01] <Splarka>	(subject to disclaimers: date may be cached, red links may be cached)
[07:39:37] <Splarka>	double-secret sarcastic irony
[07:41:00] <Nikerabbit>	ARGH
[07:41:10] <Nikerabbit>	where is demon or rotem
[07:41:37] <Nikerabbit>	f*ck
[07:42:29] <Splarka>	they've learned the first lesson of commits: step 1: quit IRC, step 2: commit
[07:43:25] <faceface>	double reverse irony?
[07:47:46] <Nikerabbit>	and now I have to spend time merging tims changes... to fix what they did....
[07:58:02] <faceface>	is it possible to write an extension to overload the category page behaviour, or would I need to edit source code to do that?
[07:59:04] <faceface>	I did this once to change the single letter category breakdown into a double letter with a little tweek of the source. Ideally I would like to implement a magic word category modifier through an extension
[07:59:20] <faceface>	or is the question sooo dumb?
[07:59:40] <faceface>	(saying yes is enough of an answer) ;-)
[08:00:18] *u 	rubs CIA-53's tummy.
[08:00:28] <u>	...
[08:00:46] <u>	stupid python
[08:01:01] *u 	rubs CIA-53's tummy
[08:01:01] <CIA-53>	*purr*
[08:03:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: local hiding of account names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14476  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[08:03:48] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36371 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * No point passing sitename in parameter, as needs to be accompanied with grammar support
[08:07:48] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36372 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Renumber parameters to remove , doesn't break translations yet.
[08:09:12] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36373 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: 
[08:09:12] <CIA-53>	* Second try at normalising special page titles, now at the linker
[08:09:12] <CIA-53>	* Normalises namespace and name to the content language of the wiki
[08:09:57] <Nikerabbit>	re: r36372: that's only true because tims modifications have delayed updating betawiki
[08:11:02] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36374 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Xml.php: * Fix comments
[08:14:46] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36375 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Setup.php): * Actually use $wgMessageCacheType for the MessageCache
[08:24:13] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36376 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:24:13] <CIA-53>	Refactored SpecialRecentchanges:
[08:24:13] <CIA-53>	* Use a class and new frameworks
[08:24:13] <CIA-53>	* Split into functions
[08:24:13] <CIA-53>	* Two new hooks
[08:24:15] <CIA-53>	* Split feed related items to new classes that are autoloaded
[08:24:50] <_wooz>	lo
[08:26:25] <Dantman>	bleh... time to redo the titlerewrite branch
[08:26:43] *faceface 	kicks CIA-53's tummy
[08:27:00] <faceface>	<CIA-53>	*vomit*
[08:27:21] *faceface 	surpresses violence for another day
[08:32:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spelling mistake - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14527  (10ed_ward_graham)
[08:36:24] <CIA-53>	03werdna * r36377 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php: * Make session cookies for CentralAuth actually last for the session, rather than for 24h.
[08:41:19] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36378 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/Recentchanges.php: 
[08:41:19] <CIA-53>	* Force ints for limit and days options, i get exceptions that they are not int ($wgUser->getOption() seems to return a string)
[08:41:19] <CIA-53>	* Fix XHTML error
[08:45:20] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: weird, I didn't get exceptions
[08:46:07] <Nikerabbit>	well, the new code is fail fast :)
[08:46:50] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: and now, why not make Special:Recentchangeslinked extends SpecialRecentchanges? :)
[08:47:38] <CIA-53>	03vrandezo * r36379 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: constants corrected
[08:47:49] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: feel free to go ahead, I just wanted to commit it now to have less conflicts
[08:48:06] <CIA-53>	03vrandezo * r36380 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Hooks.php: rewritten semantic diff
[08:48:31] *ialex 	will get a lot of conflicts with that change :)
[08:48:48] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: which change? :o
[08:49:12] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: the one you do for Recentchanges
[08:49:17] <ialex>	*did
[08:49:24] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: :OO
[08:49:27] <Nikerabbit>	sorry for that
[08:49:31] <Nikerabbit>	but I really needed those hooks
[08:49:59] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: i get conflicts about every day :)
[08:50:48] <Nikerabbit>	I don't fortunately
[08:54:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:01:40] <CIA-53>	03dantman * r36381 10/branches/titlerewrite/: 
[09:01:40] <CIA-53>	Well this was an epic-fail (Branching wise at least).
[09:01:40] <CIA-53>	I don't even know /how/ I branched this one in the first place any more. Not to mention that it's been mismaintained for so long that branching/merging tools can't even track it anymore.
[09:01:40] <CIA-53>	Let's just delete this branch, Do a branch the 'right' way and init the svnmerge tool on it, Then start committing the code into it in sane and organized ways.
[09:04:05] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36382 10/branches/rotem/: Deleting old branches.
[09:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:16:27] <CIA-53>	03grondin * r36383 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/defines.txt: Adding InterwikiList extension to Translate features
[09:18:29] <Rave21>	hi!! maybe it's a stupid question.. but i've developed an extension and i've to send an email, in this email i want that some text is bold and some underlined, how can i do this?  
[09:18:58] <puzzlet>	make it an html
[09:19:16] <puzzlet>	and send the mimetype as such
[09:19:28] <puzzlet>	like txt/html
[09:20:40] <Rave21>	i use UserMailer::send.. where i've to set the mimetype?
[09:22:08] <puzzlet>	dunno since i don't have much idea of how MediaWiki framework is made
[09:22:50] <puzzlet>	what i said was about emails in general
[09:24:12] <Rave21>	no.. i have to send an automatic mail, does anybody help me?
[09:25:20] <Werdna>	UserMailer::send sends plain-text emails only
[09:25:41] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36384 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/voctrain/i18n/language.i18n.php: Remove duplicate voctrain-word
[09:26:44] <Rave21>	thanks verdina, and is there some solution to send formatted email?
[09:28:25] <Duesentrieb_>	Rave21: an html mail should generally be a multipart mail with alternative parts in plain text and html. which is an utter plain to get working richt if you do it by han.
[09:28:29] <Duesentrieb_>	generally, html mail sucks.
[09:29:48] <Rave21>	sorry, i don't understand.. how can i do this?
[09:31:42] <Werdna>	Rave21: generally speaking, don't send HTML email.
[09:32:55] <Duesentrieb_>	Rave21: some general info is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Alternative
[09:33:16] <CIA-53>	03dantman * r36385 10/branches/titlerewrite/: Creating the folder for the clean titlerewrite branch. Need to do this separately cause of the gui.
[09:35:55] <CIA-53>	03dantman * r36386 10/branches/titlerewrite/phase3/: Creating clean titlerewrite branch of phase3. (Note that for svnmerge, titlerewrite/phase3/ will be the root, not titlerewrite/, there will be another root for titlerewrite/extensions/ when we get to that point)
[09:47:22] <Dantman|FS>	Bah... annoying svnmerge gui
[10:05:00] <spaz>	hello
[10:05:20] <spaz>	i'm trying to transfer my mediawiki installation to another box but i've hit one snag
[10:05:32] <spaz>	i'm using lighttpd, and i keep getting a 500 from the server
[10:05:45] <spaz>	and i get this: 2008-06-17 11:02:42: (mod_fastcgi.c.3281) response not received, request sent: 816 on socket: tcp:127.0.0.1:1029 for /w/index.php , closing connection
[10:09:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global groups defined for certain sets of wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14556  (10millosh)
[10:15:24] <Dantman|FS>	spaz: Are you running PHP?
[10:16:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global groups defined for certain sets of wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14556  (10millosh)
[10:17:07] <spaz>	Dantman|FS, yes.
[10:17:10] <Nikerabbit>	depends on the configuration if lighttpd creates them automatically...
[10:17:23] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, spawn-fcgi is better if one wants to use apc
[10:17:56] <spaz>	06:17 < Nikerabbit> depends on the configuration if lighttpd creates them automatically...
[10:17:59] <spaz>	what do you mean by that?
[10:18:05] <Dantman|FS>	well anyways... this looks like a server issue, not a MediaWiki issue
[10:18:46] <Dantman|FS>	The places to go would be #lighttpd and $$php
[10:18:52] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: just that
[10:18:53] <Dantman|FS>	##php *
[10:19:08] <Nikerabbit>	by default it spawns few if there is no running
[10:19:26] <spaz>	ah
[10:19:39] <spaz>	Dantman|FS, i don't get this with any other app
[10:19:41] <spaz>	except mediawiki
[10:19:43] <Dantman|FS>	Though, I don't know about lighttpd... but on NGINX I get a 403 Bad Gateway when PHP fastCGI isn't running...
[10:19:53] <Dantman|FS>	Are they PHP aps?
[10:20:04] <spaz>	Dantman|FS, ys.
[10:20:05] <spaz>	yes
[10:20:09] <Dantman|FS>	If that's the case... then you should be looking at your logs
[10:20:12] <spaz>	Dantman|FS, phpMyAdmin, etc.
[10:20:14] <spaz>	i am
[10:20:16] <spaz>	and that's what i got
[10:20:26] <Dantman|FS>	Wrong log
[10:20:32] <Dantman|FS>	Look for the php log
[10:20:40] <spaz>	hm i have no idea where that would be
[10:20:41] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: can you check php version?
[10:20:43] <spaz>	i had no idea it kept logs
[10:20:54] <spaz>	PHP 5.2.6 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: May  1 2008 20:58:14)
[10:20:55] <Dantman|FS>	You may have to configure it to
[10:20:57] <Nikerabbit>	it doesn't by default, afaik
[10:21:16] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: and permissions are ok?
[10:23:36] <spaz>	the permissions are fine
[10:24:57] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[10:25:07] <Nikerabbit>	php index.php
[10:25:08] <Nikerabbit>	PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  REQUEST_METHOD in /var/www/w/includes/WebRequest.php on line 397
[10:25:10] <Nikerabbit>	PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  SERVER_PROTOCOL in /var/www/w/includes/OutputHandler.php on line 117
[10:25:38] <spaz>	huh...wtf
[10:25:39] <spaz>	[root@tape w]# php ./index.php
[10:25:39] <spaz>	Segmentation fault
[10:25:45] <spaz>	decided to give that ago
[10:25:46] <spaz>	a go
[10:26:00] <spaz>	bad sign, maybe?
[10:26:03] <spaz>	:S
[10:27:00] *spaz 	thinks he has a bug here
[10:27:11] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: mm definitely
[10:27:20] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: how about php -l ?
[10:27:55] <spaz>	No syntax errors detected in index.php
[10:28:04] <Nikerabbit>	ok, definitely php bug then
[10:29:42] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: some of these maybe: http://bugs.php.net/search.php?search_for=segmentation+fault&boolean=1&limit=All&order_by=&direction=ASC&cmd=display&status=All&php_os=&phpver=5.2.6&assign=&author_email=&bug_age=0
[10:30:27] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: 64bit system?
[10:30:32] <Nikerabbit>	what is suhosin?
[10:30:43] <spaz>	Nikerabbit, 32 bit
[10:30:49] <Nikerabbit>	self-compiled?
[10:30:53] <spaz>	Nikerabbit, suhosin is some hardening patch. came by default with the package
[10:30:53] <spaz>	no
[10:31:05] <spaz>	added it from pacman
[10:31:13] <spaz>	(i use arch linux)
[10:31:34] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: can you try if it is this: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=44946 ?
[10:36:11] <spaz>	Nikerabbit, hm ok
[10:39:25] <spaz>	Nikerabbit, well PHP wasn't compiled with debugging symbols so i can't get a backtrae
[10:39:31] <spaz>	or a proper one
[10:39:37] <spaz>	looks like i'm going to have to compile my own
[10:39:51] <Nikerabbit>	spaz: that doesn't matter, just test if that example crashes
[10:40:07] <spaz>	oh ok
[10:40:30] <spaz>	Nikerabbit, nope
[10:40:52] <Nikerabbit>	hmm, then it is something else
[10:41:03] <Dantman|FS>	Uuuuuhhh
[10:41:32] <Nikerabbit>	you can either try to get backtrace, try other bugs or try your distro's bugzilla and/or help channel or whatever you prefer
[10:42:05] <Dantman|FS>	Of course REQUEST_METHOD and SERVER_PROTOCOL are going to be unset when you run it from the CLI... index.php was never meant to be cli run
[10:44:04] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Though it would be nice if PEAR's HTTP_Server was further along... System_Daemon is already out
[10:44:30] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36387 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (User.php specials/Recentchanges.php): 
[10:44:30] <CIA-53>	Some more tweaks to Special:Recentchanges:
[10:44:30] <CIA-53>	* Made User::getDefaultOption() static
[10:44:30] <CIA-53>	* Do not breaks wikis whitout any changes
[10:44:30] <CIA-53>	* fixed E_NOTICE: undefined variable SpecialRecentchanges::$par in SpecialRecentchanges::setup()
[10:45:10] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36388 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Fix typos. Thanks to Lejonel for spotting them.
[10:46:35] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36389 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/external/Word2MediaWikiPlus/Word2MediaWikiPlus.i18n.php: Fix typos. Thanks to Meno25 for spotting them.
[10:50:24] <IcyPolecat>	hiya, does anyone know if the <ref> functionality is included in media wiki ootb or if it needs config / installation to work?
[10:51:21] <Splarka>	it is an extension
[10:51:41] <IcyPolecat>	Ah! ok will go and hunt it down - thanks a lot
[10:51:44] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[10:52:00] <IcyPolecat>	Even better! Thank you very much
[10:53:47] <Dantman|FS>	Mmmmm... must... dedicate Mac Mini with VNC... to torrent downloading... ^_^ heh, then I could actually attempt to get svnmerge working on the titlerewrite branch... damn slow machine
[10:54:08] <Nikerabbit>	ör
[10:54:15] <Nikerabbit>	vnc... windows?
[10:54:42] <Nikerabbit>	hey!!
[10:54:52] <Nikerabbit>	I'm still ont r..386!
[10:55:20] <Dantman|FS>	VNC is universal...
[10:55:34] <Dantman|FS>	Though... I'm liable to be running OS X primarilly in the future
[10:56:21] <Dantman|FS>	It just seams like a better web development platform than the junk I've been working with
[10:56:40] <Nikerabbit>	vnc...is... but some have better alternatives
[10:56:45] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Plus... I can dual boot a Windows partition and use Parallels to access that to'
[10:57:06] <Dantman|FS>	Ya... but I'm going to be mixed
[10:57:34] <Dantman|FS>	I'm liable to have a system of multiple computers running OS X, Windows, and Ubuntu
[10:58:27] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ That dedicated mac mini torrent downloader/stereo idea may even use Ubuntu rather than OS X...
[10:58:35] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[10:59:57] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Heh... can you picture 3 60" HDTVs setup in a concave form with OS X... and a 19" wide screeen hovering above the center on an angle with Ubuntu on it?
[11:02:35] <Nikerabbit>	have anybody else got the mails for recent commits?
[11:11:51] <spaz>	aha
[11:11:55] <spaz>	if ound that problem Nikerabbit 
[11:12:27] <spaz>	got a backtrace...
[11:12:28] <spaz>	#0  0x0000000000662a13 in ZEND_HANDLE_EXCEPTION_SPEC_HANDLER (execute_data=0x7fff85c22f40)
[11:12:31] <spaz>	    at /root/php-5.2.6/Zend/zend_vm_execute.h:560
[11:12:31] <spaz>	huh
[11:12:34] <spaz>	560                             if (ctor_opline && RETURN_VALUE_USED(ctor_opline)) {
[11:12:45] <spaz>	bbl
[11:13:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New namespace for appendices - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (sean.anseo)
[11:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New namespace for appendices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570   +shell (10alex.emsenhuber)
[11:41:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New namespace for appendices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570  (10maxsem.wiki)
[11:44:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) kkwiki doesn't get MediaWiki:Common.js from DB after r29945 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12717  major->04BLOCKER; high->highest; +comment (10alefzet)
[11:45:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13869  (10alefzet)
[11:47:30] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[11:47:55] <Nikerabbit>	12717 is probably caused by the interface bug he refused to help to fix...
[11:52:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) linktrail for digraphs wih apostrophe or grave accent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14539  (10alefzet)
[12:12:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusion with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10pbirken)
[12:14:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusion with images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10N/A)
[12:15:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand spam blacklist to include edit and other summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13599  (10xaosflux)
[12:23:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  The amount of articles in Chinese Wikipedia is counted incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14553  +comment (10lejonel)
[12:24:42] <murray>	dss
[12:24:57] <murray>	solicito informacion de wiki irc
[12:49:42] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Ping
[12:52:35] <Nikerabbit>	here
[12:53:00] <^demon>	I noticed some tweaks to emailuserfooter last night after I signed off. Any reason the link to Special:Emailuser was removed?
[12:53:12] <^demon>	(I had that specifically asked, so the name could be url-escaped)
[12:55:10] <Nikerabbit>	I only changed sitename
[12:55:44] <^demon>	I saw, just was wondering since you were one of the two tweaking it last night. I'll bug rotem later. Thanks :-)
[12:56:11] <Nikerabbit>	i'm on metro now so i can't help
[12:56:36] <Nikerabbit>	it's the worst rush time
[12:57:04] <^demon>	As in the DC metro?
[13:00:26] <Cincy>	Morning all
[13:00:32] <Nikerabbit>	no
[13:00:39] <RoanKattouw>	Afternoon
[13:00:40] <Nikerabbit>	finnish
[13:00:40] <Cincy>	lol sure is here
[13:02:24] <Cincy>	I've got a dump question.  I'm using SMW forms and I was wondering if there was  away to for a new page to act like the (speaclpage) add page.  You know like when you select a form for the page it takes the user to a template to enter in the values rather than the standard free form new page
[13:02:42] <Cincy>	Any ideas?
[13:03:46] <Dantman|FS>	No
[13:04:10] <Cincy>	Surely someone has needed to do this before.
[13:04:15] <Dantman|FS>	however, you can change the message shown for newpage editing and give links to forms that can be used to create the page in question
[13:04:41] <Cincy>	That could work
[13:04:52] <Cincy>	Is there a way to make the wiki do that for any missing page?
[13:05:17] <RoanKattouw>	Cincy: Edit the MediaWiki:Whatever message that shows up for missing pages?
[13:05:27] <Dantman|FS>	Well, you can edit the message for a nonexistant page and give links there to
[13:06:55] <Cincy>	How do access pages like that... Mediawiki:whatever?  I've tried to put in the address bar it does me no good?
[13:07:16] <Cincy>	Is there a special mediawiki:nonexsisting page ?
[13:07:32] <RoanKattouw>	You can search for messages in [[Special:Allmessages]]
[13:10:46] <Phoenixwi>	how do I change that picture behind the text in monobook skin? Ie wikipedia has like a book with the pages being flicked through?
[13:18:06] <Cincy>	Roan- I took a look at the allmessages page but I don;t see anything that references nonexsisting pages.  I found one for newpages but I'm not sure what to do with it??
[13:19:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New namespace for appendices - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570  (10sean.anseo)
[13:20:33] <RoanKattouw>	Cincy: I found it, it's MediaWiki:Noarticletext
[13:21:16] <gegem[a]>	when using images within a <gallery> tag, is it possible to have the whole block link to a [[page]] and not to the [[Image:]]?
[13:21:27] <Cincy>	Let me take a look
[13:24:34] <Cincy>	Roan : I found the page but thats not the text I see when I click a link with no page to it?  am I missing something?
[13:24:53] <RoanKattouw>	Can you link to what you do see?
[13:25:26] <Cincy>	No sure I was just looking though the all messages to see if I could fing the text somewhere
[13:25:46] <RoanKattouw>	It's probably better to Ctrl+F
[13:25:57] *AaronSchulz 	waves
[13:26:03] <Cincy>	Nice I'll gice that a try
[13:26:12] <RoanKattouw>	Hi Aaron
[13:29:42] *^demon 	waves back
[13:29:44] <Cincy>	Roan:  Got it. I can add a link to the newpages header that redirects to the special:addpage.  By anychance is there a way to change my link and force the textbox on the special:Addpage form to populate with the pagename the user just came from and force the form that is used?
[13:30:17] <RoanKattouw>	Cincy: I don't know, I guess you should ask the SMW guys
[13:30:29] <Cincy>	Right on
[13:31:23] <Cincy>	Are they in here or is there a room for SMW?  I didn't see one on this server?
[13:33:22] <oskie>	I'm trying to determine if 1.12.0 supports PostgreSQL 8.3. Does anyone know?
[13:33:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusion with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:34:37] <RoanKattouw>	oskie: G_SabinoMullane probably does
[13:35:25] <oskie>	hm - wikimedia is using MySQL rather than postgresql?
[13:35:31] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[13:35:34] <RoanKattouw>	Most wikis are
[13:35:43] <RoanKattouw>	From what I've heard PostGreSQL support kind of works
[13:35:54] <oskie>	perhaps I should too then... just a small "home wiki" :)
[13:36:03] <RoanKattouw>	Then you probably want MySQL, yeah
[13:38:03] <Cincy>	Roan: Thanks for the help!
[13:39:12] <G_SabinoMullane>	oskie: It does support it, but use whatever you are more comfortable with
[13:45:38] *^demon 	wonders if brion's having cereal or waffles for breakfast
[13:50:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Creating new Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14571 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87)
[13:51:53] <oskie>	G_SabinoMullane: ah ok, I'm more comfortable with PostgreSQL and I don't really want to use both MySQL and PostgreSQL on my server
[13:52:26] <oskie>	but last time I checked, it supported postgresql 8.2 but not 8.3
[13:53:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14281  (10N/A)
[13:55:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creating new Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14571  (10yaron57)
[13:56:26] <G_SabinoMullane>	oskie: No, 8.3 is fine. Upgrading from an existing 8.2 to 8.3 can be a little painful, but a new wiki on 8.3 is no problem.
[13:56:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14281  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:57:45] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Apparently #mediawiki is only 70% human... heh
[13:58:00] *Dantman|FS 	stares at all the lurking non-humans
[14:01:31] <WikiziA90>	Hi, Does anyone know if there exist a extension with which I can include word and excel and powerpoint documents inside a mediawiki-application?
[14:02:23] <cirwin|afk>	as in make them editable, or have them downloadable?
[14:02:48] <brion>	G_SabinoMullane: every time i see "8.3" i think of DOS filenames :D
[14:03:11] <WikiziA90>	cirwin|afk only for the document to see, not as a link and not editable
[14:03:41] <G_SabinoMullane>	brion: :) Great, now you've infected my brain with that as well...
[14:04:08] <WikiziA90>	cirwin|afk It might  be editable though if that is simpler
[14:04:09] <cirwin>	it would be hard to make them visible online (though google can do that), but you could upload them using the default Image upload system so that you can download them again
[14:04:18] <cirwin>	editable is impossible as far as I know :p
[14:05:02] <WikiziA90>	cirwin, indeed that is possible: but it would be nice if the content can be viewed in the browser
[14:05:04] <cirwin>	unless you just convert it to wikitext
[14:05:26] <cirwin>	browsers aren't designed for viewing word documents
[14:05:30] <cirwin>	you need to open them in word
[14:05:54] <cirwin>	best is probably to convert it into wikitext
[14:06:10] <WikiziA90>	Is not so easy for excel and powerpoint
[14:06:20] <cirwin>	nope
[14:06:21] <mikedub>	I convert our Word docs to pdf then upload them
[14:06:43] <WikiziA90>	and then the pdf-content is visible in the browser mikedub?
[14:06:50] <mikedub>	smaller filesize, and you can view them in the UI
[14:06:57] <cirwin>	WikiziA90: it depends on the browser
[14:07:11] <mikedub>	IE/Firefox will show PDFs in the browser pane
[14:07:13] <WikiziA90>	I see: ME alas here
[14:07:23] <WikiziA90>	IE i.e
[14:07:33] <mikedub>	IE will
[14:07:44] <cirwin>	yeah, that sounds like the best option
[14:07:54] <mikedub>	Acrobat's plugin for IE shows PDFs in the browser
[14:08:11] <WikiziA90>	but you have to klick the link, it will not be part of the MediaWiki UI
[14:08:18] <cirwin>	no
[14:08:32] <mikedub>	of course, the caveat there is that the user needs the adobe plugin installed
[14:08:45] <WikiziA90>	that could be done
[14:09:48] <WikiziA90>	OK thanks, not exactly what I have envisioned, but you seem to acknowledge the fact I could not find a solution in the matrix of the extensions
[14:10:31] <cirwin>	brion: do you have time to work out/fix what the problem is with http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Index%3AEnglish/b ?
[14:10:52] <brion>	can you describe what's problematic, cirwin?
[14:10:58] <cirwin>	500 error
[14:10:59] <mikedub>	I do have some Word docs uploaded to our MW installation, but it has to download locally, then the user has to open it in an external application (ie Word) which is sloppy as heck
[14:11:12] <cirwin>	I think it's out of memory, but obviously can't confirm
[14:11:15] <brion>	cirwin: it's a very long page with many thousands of links
[14:11:25] <brion>	thus it's fairly likely to, at least sometimes, hit resource limits
[14:11:26] <WikiziA90>	mikedub exactly what we did until now
[14:11:31] <cirwin>	yes
[14:11:38] <cirwin>	however there are now lots of such pages on wikt
[14:11:45] <cirwin>	which is rather frustrating
[14:11:49] <cirwin>	because they used to work
[14:11:53] <brion>	maybe you should not make unnecessary giant index pages then
[14:11:58] <cirwin>	possibly :)
[14:12:02] <WikiziA90>	Anyhow thanks for your thoughts
[14:14:35] <cirwin>	I was planning to write an extension that could generate the indices automatically, but I think the multilingual sorting problem is too hard to get the server to do it
[14:19:36] <CIA-53>	03jojo * r36390 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/README.txt: document format of template blacklist page
[14:24:21] <GulLars>	Hey, why does I get this? http://rafb.net/p/kVbOhP87.html 
[14:24:53] <cirwin>	have you got access to the server logs?
[14:25:12] <GulLars>	Hmm, think so :P 
[14:25:22] <cirwin>	tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
[14:25:43] <GulLars>	hmm, got server from namecheap
[14:26:04] <cirwin>	ok
[14:26:16] <cirwin>	have a look in your directory
[14:26:20] <cirwin>	and see if you can find a log file
[14:27:08] <GulLars>	in cpanel I got Current HTTP Access Logs, is it that one?
[14:27:23] <cirwin>	Ideally you want the Error log, but maybe
[14:27:38] <GulLars>	hmm
[14:28:45] <GulLars>	the error_log @ root dir?
[14:28:54] <cirwin>	sounds good
[14:29:03] <matteo2>	Hi folks
[14:29:19] <cirwin>	you need to find the bottom few lines, and they'll hopefully have a more descriptive error message
[14:29:23] <cirwin>	hi matteo2
[14:30:05] <GulLars>	cirwin: in the error_log there is nothing from today
[14:30:11] <matteo2>	I'm here because I'm looking  to install a wiki 
[14:30:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use "redirect=no" for links for "redirects to this file" on image pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14572 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (lejonel)
[14:30:20] <cirwin>	GulLars: that's annoying
[14:30:57] <cirwin>	matteo2: are you going to use mediawiki or are you still comparing?
[14:31:19] <matteo2>	can you tell me if wikimedia is for me?
[14:31:24] <cirwin>	GulLars: have you edited any of the PHP?
[14:31:28] <GulLars>	nope
[14:31:42] <cirwin>	matteo2: mediawiki is designed for very large websites like wikipedia and friends
[14:32:02] <cirwin>	if you're doing something small you don't need all the power, but it's still great fun to have (if a little slow)
[14:32:04] <GulLars>	I just dl the sourcefile, unzipped and uploaded to the server
[14:32:07] <cirwin>	ok
[14:32:18] <cirwin>	you may need to set the files to be executable
[14:32:25] <GulLars>	chmod?
[14:32:28] <cirwin>	yes
[14:32:31] <GulLars>	777?
[14:32:34] <cirwin>	no!
[14:32:36] <GulLars>	;P
[14:32:41] <matteo2>	I'will install the wiki for an assosation of 20.000 people in 100 nations
[14:32:42] <cirwin>	chmod a+x index.php
[14:32:52] <cirwin>	matteo2: sounds like mediawiki kinda stuff
[14:32:53] <matteo2>	many languages
[14:32:59] <cirwin>	yup, mediawiki is very good for that
[14:33:09] <GulLars>	chmod a+x index.php ? what? O.o
[14:33:25] <cirwin>	GulLars: you need to set the executable bit on index.php
[14:33:39] <GulLars>	in the config folder or in the wikifolder?
[14:33:46] <cirwin>	have you configured it yet?
[14:33:49] <cirwin>	assume not..
[14:33:50] <GulLars>	nutting
[14:33:55] <cirwin>	both
[14:33:55] <matteo2>	can I  see some pages  from people inside the assosation?
[14:33:58] <GulLars>	roger
[14:34:09] <cirwin>	matteo2: what?
[14:34:25] <GulLars>	cirwin: index.php and index5.php?
[14:34:32] <GulLars>	or just index.php
[14:34:39] <cirwin>	I dunno what index5 is, I'd just go for index.
[14:34:51] <GulLars>	okey
[14:34:55] <GulLars>	755 ?
[14:34:59] <cirwin>	yes
[14:35:11] <matteo2>	I want some pages editable and seen only  from  people inside the servas.org
[14:35:18] <cirwin>	that is possible
[14:35:24] <cirwin>	but you need to install an extension
[14:35:35] <matteo2>	can I have video on my pages?
[14:35:47] <cirwin>	yes
[14:35:53] <GulLars>	still the same
[14:35:56] <cirwin>	though again I think you need to install an extension
[14:36:32] <matteo2>	can I have template for graphic
[14:36:52] <cirwin>	matteo2: what do you mean by that?
[14:37:02] <cirwin>	GulLars: urm.. not sure then
[14:37:13] <GulLars>	damn
[14:37:16] *^demon 	kicks CIA-53
[14:37:17] <CIA-53>	ow
[14:37:46] <matteo2>	There are graphic skin free to modify 
[14:37:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use "redirect=no" for links for "redirects to this file" on image pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14572  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:38:08] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36391 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImagePage.php): Use redirect=no on redirects listed in file links.
[14:38:20] <cirwin>	matteo2: there are reasonably few skins, but you can modify them with html/php knowledge
[14:38:52] <matteo2>	I have debian 
[14:39:01] <cirwin>	don't we all ;)
[14:39:17] <cirwin>	I wouldn't apt-get install mediawiki
[14:39:25] <cirwin>	use svn so that you can stay up to date more easily
[14:39:42] <matteo2>	I install mediawiki and after the extentions and the skins. Where i download it?
[14:40:12] <cirwin>	skins I think you have to do by hand (if you want to escape from the defaults)
[14:40:29] <cirwin>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN
[14:40:58] <balasyum>	how can I enable commons from my own mediawiki site?
[14:41:09] <cirwin>	I don't think you can
[14:41:49] <balasyum>	Brion just said, didn't he?
[14:41:57] *cirwin 	doesn't know
[14:42:03] <cirwin>	just thinks not
[14:42:27] <brion>	if you're running 1.13 and you don't mind using an experimental, inefficient interface which odesn't always work :D
[14:45:12] <matteo2>	where is page of the problem of mediawiki?  like bugs and backdors?  
[14:45:32] <cirwin>	if wikipedia gets hacked then mediawiki has a backdoor
[14:45:43] <cirwin>	there's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
[14:45:58] <matteo2>	tanks
[14:46:07] <cirwin>	any security holes get fixed very quickly :)
[14:46:22] <matteo2>	I will install now. See you soon. 
[14:46:26] <cirwin>	bye
[14:47:02] <GulLars>	cirwin: I removed all the files from the wikifolder, and still got the same error... gonna try using another folder
[14:47:11] <cirwin>	ok
[14:58:06] <^demon>	Wow, work just killed port 5190
[15:02:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to remove log entries from watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14552  (10charlottethewebb)
[15:34:27] <Sasoriza>	Any idea how to center the userloginForm? I've tried align:center and text-align:center in css... Nothing seems to work.
[15:35:27] <MinuteElectron>	Sasoriza: margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto; on the login form div
[15:36:39] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:36:53] <MinuteElectron>	hi
[15:39:35] <Sasoriza>	thanks
[15:39:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14281  (10danny.b)
[15:42:31] <gegem[a]>	a bit of a dumb question but I will still ask since I don't know >> If I have an .xml dump (or export of certain pages) and send it to someone...how can they view that xml file as an expanded html in IE?
[15:43:32] <MinuteElectron>	gegem[a]: They cannot.
[15:44:33] <gegem[a]>	MinuteElectron: How do people then do wikipedia dumps for offline retrieval for example?
[15:44:47] <cirwin>	they import them into a database
[15:44:52] <cirwin>	and render them using mediawiki
[15:45:58] <gegem[a]>	MinuteElectron: My scenario is.. I have some info on certain wiki pages I can export into xml...I want that xml to be loaded into handhelds running windows Mobil with IE, so people can retrieve those pages online... but the content is the same as it would have been online... am I making sense or just blabberin?
[15:46:51] <cirwin>	gegem[a]: see http://wapedia.mobi/en
[15:47:38] <cirwin>	what you have to do is to render the wikitext in the dump to html (using mediawiki parser)
[15:47:46] <cirwin>	and make your own storage format based on that
[15:48:05] <gegem[a]>	cirwin: this is infomation we have on a local Wiki, that I want service reps on routes to have on their Hand helds..so they can retrieve it on demand, w/o needing to be online.
[15:48:34] <cirwin>	you'd have to do some programming
[15:48:48] <cirwin>	and distribute the files as html not wikitext dump format
[15:49:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Prominent Simple English Wikipedia Link on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12827  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:49:41] <gegem[a]>	cirwin: wouldn't the file size be humongous then, if distributes as expanded html?
[15:50:44] <cirwin>	well the alternative is to have a program that can read the dump on the phone
[15:51:00] <cirwin>	which would take a lot of time to code right
[15:52:20] <gegem[a]>	!mediawiki parser |gegem[a]
[15:52:20] --mwbot--	MediaWiki is a free software wiki package originally written for Wikipedia. It is now used by several other projects of the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation and by many other wikis. You can find out more about it at http://www.mediawiki.org
[15:58:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusion with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10pbirken)
[15:59:42] <gegem[a]>	so I guess someone with no programing skills would have no hope of implementing a MW parser like mwlib to create offline content from an MW dump?
[15:59:55] <domas>	lol
[16:00:03] <domas>	well, you can extract parser
[16:00:11] <domas>	not not rewrite it
[16:00:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global groups defined for certain sets of wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14556  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:02:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  improperly closed references tag should result in an obvious error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12757  (10maxsem.wiki)
[16:02:21] <Danny_B>	email via special:emailuser comes in site language or user language?
[16:02:38] <Raymond_afk>	Danny_B: site language. 
[16:02:39] <Simetrical>	It should be the site language.
[16:02:54] <Raymond_afk>	but I have seen a bug to change it to user language
[16:02:55] <GulLars>	how do I enable uploading img?
[16:02:58] <Simetrical>	It would be very strange if I got an e-mail with a Chinese title when someone e-mailed me on enwiki.
[16:03:04] <Simetrical>	!upload | GulLars 
[16:03:04] --mwbot--	GulLars: File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[16:03:06] <Danny_B>	thus wfMsg() is the correct function, right?
[16:03:10] <brion>	heh.... lots of people bitching that firefox 3 launch day is almost over in europe / already over in asia and it won't be available for download for another hour :D
[16:03:19] <cirwin>	heh
[16:03:39] *cirwin 	joined #firefox for five minutes - they're all in a frenzy!
[16:03:49] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: i meant recipient's lang
[16:04:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:06:57] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, I guess that would be a way to find out the user language of anyone on the wiki, which would be odd.  Just send them an e-mail (if they have it enabled).
[16:10:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  (10maxsem.wiki)
[16:11:23] <CIA-53>	03danny_b * r36392 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * keeping the consistence of the preference string
[16:12:09] <Raymond_afk>	Danny_B: your encoding in r36392 is broken
[16:12:15] <Raymond_afk>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-cvs/2008-June/057484.html
[16:12:19] <Danny_B>	damned, again?
[16:12:38] <Raymond_afk>	again
[16:12:41] *Danny_B 	stabs his text editor
[16:12:48] <GulLars>	!logo
[16:12:48] --mwbot--	The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information.
[16:14:46] <brion-coffee>	caffeiine is awweesooommmeeeee
[16:15:25] <Raymond_afk>	Danny_B: do you fix or should I do?
[16:15:39] <ialex>	hi brion-coffee
[16:15:46] <Dor>	I'm trying to install MediaWiki
[16:15:51] <Danny_B>	working onn it. in case i'll be in troubles, i'd ask you for help, thanks
[16:15:57] <Dor>	and when I try to enter the config part
[16:15:58] <Dor>	it says
[16:16:02] <GulLars>	!font
[16:16:02] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "font".
[16:16:06] <Dor>	Internal Error (500)
[16:16:07] <brion-coffee>	wat up ialex 
[16:16:23] <Dor>	http://mirc-il.com/wiki/
[16:16:27] <ialex>	nothing
[16:16:57] <Dor>	ialex, don't you get an error?
[16:17:28] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36393 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesHe.php): 
[16:17:28] <CIA-53>	* Reverting encoding errors.
[16:17:28] <CIA-53>	* Update for he.
[16:18:13] <Dor>	what's wrong?
[16:18:22] <Dor>	Internal Webserver Error. (500)
[16:19:51] <cirwin>	Dor: is index.php executable?
[16:20:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:20:43] <Dor>	executable as in exists?
[16:21:00] <cirwin>	is the webserver allowed to run the file?
[16:21:15] <Dor>	yes
[16:21:18] <Dor>	full access
[16:21:19] <Danny_B>	heh, rotem was faster, thanks
[16:21:50] <CIA-53>	03raymond * r36394 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesDe.php MessagesDe_formal.php): Localisation updates German
[16:22:33] <cirwin>	do you have access ot the server's error log? (Dor)
[16:22:40] <Dor>	yes
[16:22:51] <cirwin>	ok, is there a message in there?
[16:22:53] <Dor>	[05-Jun-2008 00:17:42] PHP Warning:  Module 'ffmpeg' already loaded in Unknown on line 0
[16:22:57] <Dor>	filled with this line
[16:23:04] <Dor>	a few thousands of times
[16:23:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a appendices namespace for gawikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:23:32] <cirwin>	it's the bottom few lines you are looking at
[16:23:43] <Dor>	no
[16:23:47] <cirwin>	ok
[16:23:48] <Dor>	I looked at all of the file
[16:23:52] <Dor>	it's the smae line all over again
[16:23:54] <Dor>	same*
[16:24:03] <cirwin>	do tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
[16:24:09] <cirwin>	just to check it is that line at the bottom
[16:24:14] <aaron_big_noob_>	Hello all, I just installed mediawiki on a fresh install of ubuntu server. Everything seems to be working nicely, except that when it tries to send email confirmations it returns this error: "Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters. " 
[16:24:27] <Dor>	I have FTP access there :)
[16:24:38] <cirwin>	ok, not so easy then
[16:24:41] <Dor>	this is the bottom line
[16:24:42] <Dor>	[17-Jun-2008 18:59:50] PHP Warning:  Module 'ffmpeg' already loaded in Unknown on line 0
[16:24:44] <cirwin>	ok
[16:24:45] <cirwin>	:)
[16:25:01] <Dor>	same line, different time
[16:25:08] <cirwin>	do you get the same problem with any other php file?
[16:25:23] <Dor>	nope
[16:25:29] <Dor>	I have a forum running on the same domain
[16:25:35] <Dor>	and it does no problems
[16:25:41] <cirwin>	have you edited any of the php?
[16:25:46] <Dor>	nope
[16:25:48] <Dor>	simply uploaded
[16:25:51] *cirwin 	doesn't know then
[16:26:04] <Dor>	T_T
[16:26:09] <Simetrical>	Dor, probably the ffmpeg warning isn't even from MediaWiki.
[16:26:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create an appendices namespace for gawikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[16:26:20] <Simetrical>	Wait, oops.
[16:26:21] <Simetrical>	Dangit.
[16:26:26] *Simetrical 	scrolls up
[16:26:36] <Simetrical>	Oh, no, I see.
[16:26:38] <Simetrical>	How strange.
[16:26:46] <Simetrical>	Are you sure you're not using any extensions or anything?
[16:27:16] <Dor>	Simetrical, I just downloaded it from the site
[16:27:18] <Dor>	and uploaded it
[16:27:23] <Dor>	that's all
[16:27:28] <Simetrical>	Peculiar.
[16:27:38] <aaron_big_noob_>	Hello all, I just installed mediawiki on a fresh install of ubuntu server 8.04. Everything seems to be working nicely, except that when it tries to send email confirmations it returns this error: "Could not send confirmation email. Check address for invalid characters". I'd appreciate any help.
[16:28:03] <cirwin>	aaron_big_noob_: does sendmail work on your server?
[16:29:05] <aaron_big_noob_>	Okay, so my name is not an overstatement, I'm pretty computer savvy but totally inexperienced with server stuff.
[16:29:29] <aaron_big_noob_>	Do  I need to install something on ubuntu to make sendmail work?
[16:29:52] <Simetrical>	aaron_big_noob_, I've never tried, honestly.  I'm pretty sure it magically worked when I installed it on RHEL, but that was ages ago.
[16:30:04] <aaron_big_noob_>	Okay, so it should just work?
[16:30:16] <aaron_big_noob_>	My lab is behind a fairly restrictive firewall, could that be the problem?
[16:31:42] <Simetrical>	aaron_big_noob_, if the server is behind a firewall that doesn't allow e-mail traffic, that would be a problem, obviously.
[16:31:56] <Simetrical>	Although I don't know if that's what you're seeing.  As I say, I don't know much about this.
[16:32:12] <Dor>	so, anyone know what might be the problem?
[16:33:04] <aaron_big_noob_>	I found a php script online that just sends out a test email, but what should be the from address for that kind of thing? 
[16:33:36] <cirwin>	aaron_big_noob_: from address doesn't really matter
[16:33:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  +comment (10RLUllmann)
[16:34:20] <Dor>	Internal Server Error
[16:34:22] <Dor>	The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[16:34:37] <Dor>	That's the error I get when I try to surf to /wiki/
[16:34:39] <cirwin>	Dor:  that's useless info
[16:34:40] <aaron_big_noob_>	Okay cirwin, so it should be the same thing with mediawiki, right? There doesn't need to be an email server or anything setup, it just sends out an email to the target address?
[16:34:49] <Dor>	T_T
[16:34:53] <cirwin>	providing your sendmail "just works"
[16:34:54] <Dor>	what info do you need then?
[16:35:10] <cirwin>	the error message
[16:35:10] <cirwin>	but the ffmpeg one is really strage
[16:35:10] <aaron_big_noob_>	Meaning that, I don't need to install or configure anything, the likely problem is that the email can't get out because of my firewall? 
[16:35:12] <cirwin>	(strange)
[16:35:14] <aaron_big_noob_>	Reasonable hypothesis?
[16:35:21] <cirwin>	hmm
[16:35:28] <cirwin>	I dunno
[16:36:30] <aaron_big_noob_>	Well, I'm going to leave this open. If anyone happens to see this and wants to help me out I'd really appreciate it. One of our former lab members just came in with her baby so I have to go be social. Thanks guys!
[16:42:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:42:40] <derwin>	aaron_big_noob_ can you send mail from the system, generally?
[16:46:20] <aaron_big_noob_>	derwin, I'm not sure  how to check that. We have about 10 computers all behind the same firewall, and I can send out email from my mac using SMTP. But I don't know how to try to send mail from the server.
[16:46:53] <cirwin>	aaron_big_noob_: try "sendmail -t" from the shell
[16:47:11] <aaron_big_noob_>	alright, one sec....
[16:47:49] <derwin>	or, better : echo "blah" | mail -s blah.test.email you@email.com
[16:49:16] <aaron_big_noob_>	okay, any attempt to use the 'mail' command gives me a 'command not found'
[16:49:24] <aaron_big_noob_>	so I must need to install someting...
[16:49:29] <^demon>	brion: Speaking of bad timing for Mozilla...Firefox.com is serving "Service unavailable"
[16:49:32] <cirwin>	sounds like it :)
[16:49:46] <aaron_big_noob_>	is there a typical package people install?
[16:49:47] <cirwin>	I think firefox is in for a very rough day or two
[16:50:12] <derwin>	?
[16:50:16] <derwin>	firefox.com working for me..
[16:50:38] <^demon>	Back up now, it's hit or miss.
[16:50:47] <cirwin>	lots of the ff sites have been flashing on or off for the last few hours
[16:50:50] <derwin>	well, everyone's sysadmins are human :)
[16:50:51] <aaron_big_noob_>	Do you the instructions on the following link will help me? 
[16:50:52] <aaron_big_noob_>	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer?highlight=%28mail%29
[16:50:58] <aaron_big_noob_>	Do you think*
[16:51:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images clipped to italic text when using Modern skin in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14518  (10innocentkiller)
[16:51:49] <cirwin>	aaron_big_noob_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=196112 looks more relevant
[16:53:19] <^demon>	cirwin: This is gearing up to be a rather botched launch :-P
[16:53:33] <cirwin>	^demon: ah well :)
[16:54:20] <^demon>	I wonder how much everyone would freak out in #firefox if they released at 1:01pm EDT as opposed to 1:00 :-P
[16:54:28] <cirwin>	I dunno
[16:54:32] <cirwin>	left there a while ago :)
[16:54:47] <^demon>	It's moderately entertaining...more fun than reading my work e-mail at least.
[16:55:23] <Subfader>	got a google problem: on my main page i have special:newpages included. the problem: When i search for recent new page titles i get a result for my website on page 1 but it's the main page reading the link. the new page itself is not indexed. i always thought google crawls 1 index 1 step deeper?
[16:55:46] <GulLars>	is there any admin pages on MediaWiki?
[16:56:12] <^demon>	Subfader: Maybe Special:Newpages has 'noindex, nofollow' applied?
[16:56:22] <^demon>	GulLars: What do you mean by "Admin pages?"
[16:56:25] <Subfader>	is that default?
[16:57:06] <^demon>	Not sure, give me a moment.
[16:57:18] <Subfader>	i can lookup myself on mw.org ;)
[16:57:36] <GulLars>	Like, where U can give premissions to other users and so
[16:57:48] <GulLars>	!upload
[16:57:48] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[16:57:51] <ialex>	Special:Userrights
[16:58:08] <^demon>	Subfader: Yes, it is.
[16:58:12] <aaron_big_noob_>	okay great, i'll try that. thanks cirwin!
[16:59:00] <^demon>	Subfader: Special pages have $wgOut->setRobotPolicy('noindex,nofollow'), unless they specifically override it.
[16:59:43] <Subfader>	ok found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDefaultRobotPolicy    Default Value: 'index,follow'
[16:59:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  (10RLUllmann)
[17:00:36] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Improvements for Spezial:OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14110  +comment (10pbirken)
[17:00:53] <zuez>	Anyone have a URL to a good printable cheatsheet?
[17:01:03] <zuez>	Tried googling around, was hoping for a nice chart that fits on one page. :-)
[17:01:09] <Subfader>	^demon: what bugs me is the default.
[17:01:23] <^demon>	Subfader: That's for normal pages. Specialpages are defaulted to noindex,nofollow
[17:01:55] <^demon>	cirwin: Borked launch. Site still says v2, half the users can't get to the page (service unavailable off and on)
[17:02:03] <cirwin>	yay!
[17:02:04] <Subfader>	ok how can i override the setting?
[17:02:41] <Subfader>	ok forget, i suppose by  $wgNamespaceRobotPolicies = array( NS_SPECIAL => 'index,follow' );
[17:02:55] <^demon>	Yeah, but that will cause Google to index all of your specialpages.
[17:03:18] <Simetrical>	I don't think it will actually work, will it?
[17:03:27] <Simetrical>	Not sure that applies to NS_SPECIAL.
[17:03:38] <Simetrical>	You definitely don't want Google trying to index Special:Random, or a lot of others.
[17:04:07] <Subfader>	hmh I also wonder why the main page is crawled more often than my sitemaps as my sitemaps are refreshed every 30 mins(!)
[17:04:24] <Subfader>	so the new article should be in the google index but isn't 
[17:04:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  +comment (10chrislb)
[17:07:04] <Subfader>	ok won't work with Special unless i define it in includes/Defines.php? where the special ns is missing. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceRobotPolicies
[17:07:28] <^demon>	cirwin: People are mad that people are posting specific mirror links because that won't cause the "world record" count to go up.
[17:07:38] <cirwin>	heh
[17:07:45] <^demon>	I suggested that "maybe" getting the software to the users was more important than some inflated download count...and I got shouted down.
[17:07:52] <ialex>	Subfader: NS_SPECIAL is already defied
[17:08:00] <cirwin>	the world record attempt is severely limited by the bandwidth
[17:08:01] <ialex>	*defined
[17:08:13] <Subfader>	ah right
[17:08:16] <cirwin>	^demon: you should know better than to try common sense on IRC :p
[17:08:30] <Subfader>	ok then i don't want google to do do so. 
[17:08:34] <ialex>	Subfader: $wgNamespaceRobotPolicies has no effect on special pages
[17:08:50] <^demon>	cirwin: Oh, I knew it wouldn't have any effect...just did it because I knew people cared more about the world record and would yell at me.
[17:08:57] <cirwin>	:)
[17:09:15] <^demon>	I'll get FF3 in a few days once the omgdownloaditnow panic is gone.
[17:10:13] *ialex 	is on FF3 for some months now :)
[17:10:21] *Simetrical 	too
[17:10:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mediawiki categories User-Javascripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14573 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (michael.frey)
[17:11:20] <^demon>	ialex: I've been having fun beta'ing IE8 for work, hadn't had time to play with FF3 yet.
[17:12:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mediawiki categories User-Javascripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14573  (10nowiki> around these things.
[17:12:14] <wikibugs>	// <nowiki>
[17:12:14] <wikibugs>	code
[17:12:18] <wikibugs>	 more code
[17:12:22] <wikibugs>	code that looks like wikisyntax
[17:12:22] <ialex>	oh no :(
[17:12:26] <wikibugs>	// </nowiki>
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[17:12:43] <Subfader>	ok will try to let google crawl my sitemap more often. last touch was 2 days ago for the main NS. sitemaps are generated every 30 mins and i add new articles daily. bugs me
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[17:13:45] <Subfader>	ok thanks for the help
[17:16:21] <Subfader>	oh dear! Just saw I didn't sumbit teh xml for the main namespace (0). it was the talk namespace (1)
[17:16:25] <Subfader>	**ashamed
[17:23:04] <CIA-53>	03brion * r36395 10/trunk/extensions/UniversalEditButton/UniversalEditButton.php: emit application/x-wiki instead of application/wiki now that the FF plugin accepts it
[17:23:43] <Nikerabbit>	what's up?
[17:25:25] <brion>	morning all
[17:25:37] <Sasoriza>	brion, does caffeine make you do strange things?
[17:25:50] <brion>	wooooooweeeeeeee
[17:26:01] <Sasoriza>	guess that answers my question
[17:26:22] <Subfader>	isn't today the Firefox World Record Download Day?
[17:26:40] <Sasoriza>	meh... Firefox 3. woo-hoo.
[17:27:13] <Subfader>	still no official 3.0 but at least http://www.spreadfirefox.com seems to be down
[17:27:39] <cirwin>	yeah
[17:27:44] <cirwin>	everything borked :)
[17:28:45] <^demon>	Subfader: Yes, but all of the sites are down pretty much. :-P
[17:29:00] <tusho>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 76 bytes) in /var/www/thewiki/w/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 920
[17:29:02] <tusho>	:-|
[17:29:08] <tusho>	It only happens when I click a redlink to a category
[17:29:22] <Subfader>	do i check the wrong site? http://www.mozilla-europe.org
[17:29:49] <^demon>	Subfader: No, they're just having big big issues :-P
[17:30:02] <Subfader>	i want to help they don't let me. bastards
[17:31:13] <Sasoriza>	isn't that the way? :)
[17:32:30] <cirwin>	tusho: mediawiki gobbles memory, I need 64MB to keep it happy
[17:32:44] <tusho>	cirwin: yeah I just put it up to 128mb
[17:32:45] <tusho>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 262144 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 122880 bytes) in /var/www/xkcd/w/includes/Defines.php on line 183
[17:32:47] <tusho>	php can't count :3
[17:32:55] <tusho>	262144 < 20971520, php.
[17:33:16] <Subfader>	yep recognized that as well when i had the error
[17:33:34] <cirwin>	tusho, that's just the last amount it tried to allocate, not the cumulative already allocated stuff
[17:33:47] <Subfader>	simply raise the php memory limit
[17:34:23] <Subfader>	LocalSettings.php > ini_set( 'memory_limit', '32M' ); or what you like
[17:34:24] <AzaTht_>	262144 = 256KiB
[17:34:50] <tusho>	cirwin: gahahahahaha - 
[17:34:51] <tusho>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 76 bytes) in /var/www/xkcd/w/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 920
[17:34:56] <tusho>	I just set it to _128M_ maximum.
[17:34:59] <tusho>	And that's not enough
[17:35:59] <Subfader>	maybe you didn't set it correctly? run a php info
[17:36:11] <tusho>	Subfader: I most certainly did; it's reporting it properly.
[17:36:36] <Subfader>	well it's just liek asking if you're pc is plugged ;)
[17:36:37] <tusho>	[[memory_limit	128M]]
[17:36:40] <tusho>	-- phpinfo
[17:37:22] <AzaTht_>	tusho: try set it to -1
[17:37:26] <^demon>	Subfader: You joke, but some people are really *that* bad.
[17:37:29] <AzaTht_>	(i.e. no limit)
[17:38:37] <tusho>	AzaTht_: I set it to -1 and oh look:
[17:38:37] <tusho>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 512 bytes) in /var/www/xkcd/w/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 920
[17:38:42] <tusho>	There's something up.
[17:38:46] <AzaTht_>	hmm
[17:38:52] <Subfader>	btw does it need to be a binary number? i have set it to 50M
[17:39:07] <AzaTht_>	Subfader: shorthand notation is ok
[17:39:12] <AzaTht_>	see http://se.php.net/manual/en/faq.using.php#faq.using.shorthandbytes
[17:39:56] <Winton>	Hi! Quick question - does anyone have a MySQL.ini configuration settings for Wikipedia - I need ideas on stopping it taking 10 secs to display a page.
[17:41:10] <tusho>	So yeah, WTF?
[17:41:31] <Subfader>	thanks azatht
[17:42:18] <cirwin>	Winton: you mean mediawiki? have you looked into fastcgi and memcahce?
[17:42:45] <AzaTht_>	tusho: check so you wont call ini_set twice
[17:42:55] <tusho>	AzaTht_: Heh. I'm editing it in php.ini.
[17:43:00] <tusho>	I do have root on this box you know...
[17:43:23] <AzaTht_>	tusho: LocalSettings.php has ini_set( 'memory_limit', '20M' ); per default
[17:43:36] <AzaTht_>	tusho: ok
[17:43:53] <^demon>	brion: In the spirit of cleaning up ~/includes, why not move all of the Search*.php files to ~/includes/search/*.php?
[17:44:04] <brion>	why indeed :)
[17:44:17] <Subfader>	i assume the local setting is overriding any php.ini setting on teh server?
[17:44:24] <tusho>	Subfader: That's why there isn't a local setting.
[17:44:33] <tusho>	ah
[17:44:34] <tusho>	I see
[17:45:00] <AzaTht_>	^demon: have all the "special pages" files been moved?
[17:45:11] <tusho>	that was it
[17:45:12] <tusho>	how stupid
[17:45:12] <tusho>	:P
[17:45:19] <Subfader>	well i used to edit php.ini but now use LocalSettings for it. Just want to be sure it works as i assume
[17:45:25] <alnokta>	heh mozilla.com Http/1.1 Service Unavailable
[17:46:30] <Nikerabbit>	AzaTht_: yep...
[17:46:44] <AzaTht_>	nice
[17:46:47] <Nikerabbit>	and svn handling of moves is... crappy at best
[17:47:04] <^demon>	AzaTht_: That and /db and /parser
[17:47:23] <Subfader>	alnotka: google firefox download world record
[17:48:06] <AzaTht_>	Nikerabbit: better than cvs:s handling of moves
[17:48:23] <Nikerabbit>	AzaTht_: can't say it good still
[17:48:58] <alnokta>	Subfader, seems people took it very seriously
[17:49:19] <AzaTht_>	should files like DjVuImage.php mbe moved to media?
[17:49:20] <Subfader>	me too. i wanna test the mofo finally
[17:50:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:50:31] <Sasoriza>	what's the difference? from what I've read, it's like creating a solid gold can opener... looks nicer, but still does the same thing
[17:53:06] <^demon>	I must admit, grepping for (require|include) isn't half bad. A lot less than you'd think. 54 matches across 27 files.
[17:53:30] <Smaug>	hey guys.  whats a good program for unpacking .tar.gz (i.e. for upgrading without subversion)?
[17:53:52] <balasyum>	windows?
[17:54:01] <Smaug>	yes
[17:54:10] <balasyum>	total commander?
[17:54:11] <balasyum>	winzip?
[17:54:17] <ialex>	^demon: there's an autoloader ;)
[17:54:19] <Smaug>	is there a free one?
[17:54:21] <^demon>	UltimateZip isn't bad. Interface similar to WinZip. Handles pretty much any archive format I throw at it.
[17:54:25] <^demon>	ialex: I know :-P
[17:54:25] <Subfader>	7zip
[17:54:27] <Subfader>	winrar
[17:54:34] <Nikerabbit>	hi ialex! I mentioned you in my blog
[17:54:41] <ialex>	ah
[17:54:48] <Smaug>	^demon: Subfader: thanks guys, will check them oul
[17:54:59] <gnot>	hi all. i have suddenly noticed that the TOC is missing from the wiki pages. I use the 1.12.0 version
[17:55:34] <Subfader>	7zip is faster than everything ;)
[17:55:46] *Sasoriza 	likes 7zip
[17:56:07] <Simetrical>	The 7zip *format* is horribly slow.
[17:56:12] <Simetrical>	(Also gives very, very good compression.)
[17:56:36] <gnot>	can anyone think of what might have been wrong? is there a configuration option that has to do with the TOC?
[17:56:38] <Subfader>	when i unpack large rar files it's def faster than winrar itself
[17:57:00] <gnot>	i mean a not so obvious config option...
[17:57:01] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: and what's you summer project?
[17:57:32] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: read the first post :D
[17:57:57] <Nikerabbit>	gnot: there is no __NOTOC__ and more than four headings in the page?
[17:59:07] <Subfader>	he has it on all pages 
[17:59:43] <Subfader>	*the no tocs
[18:01:22] <gnot>	Nikerabbit, no no. The pages have not changed. they do not contain __NOTOC__ . Also, if i explicitly set __TOC__  in the page head, there is still no TOC in the HTML page
[18:01:35] <Subfader>	try __FORCETOC__  ?
[18:01:42] <gnot>	Subfader, i did
[18:03:00] <Nikerabbit>	gnot: and you have the preference box checked for tocs in your preferences?
[18:04:41] <Subfader>	"there is still no TOC in the HTML page" html page?
[18:06:19] <gnot>	Nikerabbit, i cannot believe that it was that!
[18:06:55] <Subfader>	well i didn't know there is such setting :D
[18:07:20] <gnot>	i have been playing with the maintenance scripts lately and i had thought that something had gone wrong with one of the scripts
[18:07:23] <Subfader>	http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox?p=downloadday
[18:07:50] <gnot>	Subfader, "html page": i mean the rendered page with the wiki text
[18:08:31] <Subfader>	kk
[18:09:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[18:09:32] <gnot>	i should mention that even if i enabled the "show TOCs" option in the 'misc' preferences, I had to do a hard-refresh (shift-Reload in firefox) of the page for the changes to be visible
[18:10:11] <gnot>	Nikerabbit, thanks
[18:13:13] <gnot>	i should also mention that i have no idea how this 'show TOCs' option had been disabled. I had not disabled it for sure and the the wiki is for private note taking, so noone has access
[18:15:24] <gnot>	anyway, thank you all. bye
[18:17:53] <Dor>	anyone here willing to help in MediaWiki installation problem?
[18:19:12] <Nikerabbit>	just tell about the problem
[18:28:40] <Simetrical>	Pretty shabby for mozilla.com to go down on release day.
[18:28:47] <Simetrical>	Surely they could have made appropriate arrangements.
[18:28:55] <MinuteElectron>	indeed
[18:29:02] <Nikerabbit>	why is everybody so "mozilla" today?
[18:29:09] <MinuteElectron>	Fx3 release
[18:29:39] <Nikerabbit>	it's only windows home-luser-administrators who need to download it manually anyway??
[18:29:45] <Simetrical>	To begin with, are they using proxies?  The major stuff is all static HTML, you'd think they'd use something like Squid or Varnish.
[18:30:00] <^demon>	Simetrical: They've posted on their blog about it.
[18:30:07] <^demon>	http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2008/06/17/firefox-3-coming-soon/
[18:30:21] <Simetrical>	Ah, so blog.mozilla.com still works.  :P
[18:30:34] <Simetrical>	Not posted at very great length.
[18:30:57] <Simetrical>	Wine 1.0 also released today, coincidentally.
[18:32:21] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: It'll be a month before it gets released via automatic updates and today they are trying to set a world record for most downloads in a day.
[18:32:33] <Dor>	anyone here willing to help in MediaWiki installation problem?
[18:33:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:33:10] <Simetrical>	!ask | Dor 
[18:33:10] --mwbot--	Dor: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:33:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to hide log entries in Special:Recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4123  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:33:33] <Dor>	okay...
[18:33:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add show/hide logs option in Recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9287  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:33:36] <Dor>	try
[18:33:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:33:44] <Dor>	www.mirc-il.com/wiki/
[18:33:50] <Dor>	tell me what you see
[18:34:30] <Simetrical>	"Internal Server Error"
[18:34:39] <Dor>	true
[18:34:43] <Dor>	that's the problem
[18:34:53] <Dor>	It supposed to show the config screen
[18:34:56] <Dor>	but it doesn't/
[18:35:29] <^demon>	Dor: Any number of reasons could cause a 500 error.
[18:35:59] <Dor>	what information do you need to determine the cause?
[18:36:08] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: you? are you part of it?
[18:36:45] <Simetrical>	!errorlog | Dor 
[18:36:45] --mwbot--	Dor:  To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[18:36:55] <Simetrical>	Dor, you want to look at Apache's error log.
[18:37:02] <Simetrical>	Most of that is actually irrelevant, it's about PHP error.s
[18:37:03] <Simetrical>	s.
[18:37:17] <Dor>	a bit of a problem there
[18:37:23] <Dor>	It's a shared host
[18:37:34] <Dor>	meaning I only have FTP access to it
[18:37:39] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: huh? Well, I downloaded it, but not really?
[18:38:29] <Nikerabbit>	what stops me from putting a cron script to download it every once a while?
[18:39:27] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: Nothing.
[18:39:34] *MinuteElectron 	isn't really bothered.
[18:40:08] <NicoV>	Hi,
[18:40:09] <NicoV>	When a user has activated SUL, is there something different done by MediaWiki when editing a page ?
[18:40:11] <NicoV>	I am wondering because I have written a tool (http://en.wikipedia.org/User:NicoV/Wikipedia_Cleaner/Documentation) and it seems that users having signed for SUL can't edit pages with it
[18:40:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) impose a different place for links interwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14574 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (crochet.david)
[18:41:19] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36396 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_GlobalFunctions.php: Better parameters for retrieval query, to avoid limiting of results
[18:41:31] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36397 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/INSTALL: New version: 0.2.5
[18:45:43] <MinuteElectron>	Well, I used to have one, but never used it so gave up. I have a blog under my real name, but it wouldn't be appropriate to share that or write about MediaWiki on it.
[18:45:46] <MinuteElectron>	oops
[18:45:52] <MinuteElectron>	dammit
[18:47:43] *^demon 	tries to find MinuteElectron's blog
[18:47:58] <iubito>	hello !
[18:48:03] <MinuteElectron>	^_^
[18:48:18] <Nikerabbit>	hi iubito
[18:48:36] <CIA-53>	03dale * r36398 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/includes/ (5 files in 3 dirs): removed some "required_once" calls that should use the autoloader instead.
[18:49:12] <iubito>	Just a very little question ? What is the syntax to put a link to a special page with parameters ? I want to make a link to /?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=OnePage
[18:49:34] <iubito>	using a [[Special:Userlogin?????]] syntax
[18:51:56] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) impose a different place for links interwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14574  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:52:52] <iubito>	oh, my question is not so easy ? :p
[18:52:58] <iubito>	lol
[18:56:01] <^demon>	iubito: Try {{fullurl:Special:Userlogin|returnto=Pagename}}
[18:57:14] <iubito>	ok, but it's considered as an external links... :( which opens in a new window
[18:57:37] <iubito>	but it works, thanks for the tip. Unfortunately not ok for my case
[18:57:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) impose a different place for links interwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14574  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:58:39] <Nikerabbit>	uh?
[18:58:52] <Nikerabbit>	external link != new window
[18:59:50] <iubito>	yes I know, but as wanted by the admin of the wiki I'm working on, I hacked (or config something ? don't remember), external links and interwiki links open in a new window
[19:00:37] <Nikerabbit>	how stupid
[19:00:54] <Nikerabbit>	shooting to own log
[19:03:08] <iubito>	is it possible to make this link using interwiki ? [[w:fr:Special:Userlogin???returnto=OnePage]]
[19:04:21] <ialex>	? will be escaped
[19:05:52] <iubito>	yes ? is escaped, but what char can solve the problem ? | ,
[19:06:19] <^demon>	iubito: You cannot pass params to internal links.
[19:06:54] <iubito>	I've an idea.... as I hacked the code in Linker::getExternalLinkAttributes to open in new window, I'll hack to stay in the same window if it's on same server...
[19:15:12] <Davinci2008>	hi there
[19:15:24] <iubito>	my ugly patch is working :D yesss!
[19:15:30] <Davinci2008>	thanks to some advice I received yesterday I have Apache and PHP running
[19:16:18] <^demon>	iubito: Hacks are ugly. Get broken during upgrades.
[19:17:21] <iubito>	with svn and a good IDE, I see which files are merged, conflicts...
[19:18:08] <Smaug>	well, i just ran update.php.  before doing all the stuff it does, I got this error: Failed loading /usr/local/IonCube/ioncube_loader_lin_5.2.so:  /usr/local/IonCube/ioncube_loader_lin_5.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:18:38] <Smaug>	could that be related to whatever the reason is why my site does not work now?
[19:19:21] <^demon>	iubito: Yes, that makes it easier :-P. Still a pain to merge when there's conflicts.
[19:20:27] <iubito>	I'm using Eclipse with PHPEclipse plug-in. When I worked as a developer in a team, we used CVS system, frequent conflicts... with good tools, it's quite easy :)
[19:21:31] <CIA-53>	03ashley * r36399 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/SocialProfile.php: Fix some paths. Patch by Jlerner.
[19:23:04] <jlerner>	woo, neat
[19:29:57] <Smaug>	does update.php require the config directory to be present to work?
[19:30:17] <Smaug>	i didn't upload it after unpacking it because i thought i didn't need it
[19:30:30] <iubito>	ciao!
[19:31:10] <Davinci2008>	I have a question
[19:31:20] <Davinci2008>	I installed apache2 and php5 on Ubuntu
[19:31:37] <Davinci2008>	but when I try to open a .php file, Mozilla says it does not recognize the file type
[19:31:47] <^demon>	Someone who's been using FF3...is there a way to disable that god-awful search in the url bar?
[19:31:49] <Davinci2008>	what else do I need to do, in order for Mozilla to recognize the page?
[19:32:09] <Simetrical>	^demon, it's quite awesome once you get used to it.
[19:32:17] <Simetrical>	At least IMO.
[19:32:19] <^demon>	Simetrical: There is nothing awesome about it.
[19:32:20] <Simetrical>	There are some haters.
[19:32:44] <^demon>	I don't type in the URL bar wanting to search my history, etc...I type in the URL bar because I know where I want to go.
[19:33:07] <^demon>	If it's not disable-able, it's a dealbreaker for me and FF2 is coming back.
[19:33:17] <Davinci2008>	does anybody know why having installed apache2 and php5... Mozilla still does not recognize .php files?
[19:33:19] <Simetrical>	Reactionary much?
[19:33:34] <Simetrical>	Davinci2008, because it's being served with a wrong MIME type for some reason.  Check the MIME type in the HTTP header.
[19:33:47] <Simetrical>	Seriously, ^demon, you're overreacting.
[19:33:54] <Simetrical>	Just wait until you get used to it.
[19:33:58] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: where? in Mozilla or the page?
[19:33:59] <Simetrical>	It still searches the text of the URLs as well.
[19:34:08] <Simetrical>	Davinci2008, do you have a link to the page?
[19:34:31] <Davinci2008>	the page is local
[19:34:36] <Davinci2008>	I will paste it 
[19:34:39] <Davinci2008>	it is short
[19:34:43] <jlerner>	^demon: i think they removed the option not use the "rich" urlbar
[19:34:53] <jlerner>	i agree, the new urlbar is ..not good
[19:34:58] <Davinci2008>	<body>
[19:35:00] <Davinci2008>	 <?php echo $_SERVER["HTTP_USER_AGENT"]; ?>
[19:35:01] <Davinci2008>	 <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[19:35:03] <Davinci2008>	 </body>
[19:35:06] <Davinci2008>	with html tags
[19:35:13] <Davinci2008>	that is the page
[19:35:56] <jlerner>	^demon: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407836
[19:37:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure groups in nowiki for access to Special:Unwatchedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14079  +comment (10post)
[19:37:32] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: any hint? Mozilla still says it does not recognize the file... I even added the MIME type to Mozilla and made it open with /usr/bin/php
[19:38:02] <Smaug>	has anyone here used update.php?  I'm trying to pinpoint where I went wrong
[19:38:14] <Simetrical>	^demon, as a developer, you should know that significant improvements can sometimes be a big shock to users.  Are you seriously never going to upgrade Firefox again?  Give it a little while and see.
[19:38:27] <Simetrical>	It's more or less a strict superset of past functionality, in that it searches the URLs themselves too.
[19:38:51] <jlerner>	Simetrical: a lot of folks are getting turned around by it
[19:38:51] <Simetrical>	Davinci2008, you should install something like the Firebug extension for Firefox to look at HTTP headers.
[19:38:55] <jlerner>	maybe it's good for newbies
[19:38:58] <Davinci2008>	ok
[19:39:22] <jlerner>	but they took out the option that let's you not use all the fancy new features
[19:39:27] <jlerner>	at the very least, folks should be able to choose
[19:39:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mediawiki categories User-Javascripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14573  (10michael.frey)
[19:39:42] <Simetrical>	jlerner, you realize that *exactly the same thing* happens on about a monthly basis on Wikipedia when MW developers introduce some new feature and everyone complains that they liked it the old way (for no good reason they can articulate, other than that they're used to it)?
[19:40:04] <jlerner>	sure
[19:40:08] <Simetrical>	More user options = more code paths to maintain, bad.  User options shouldn't be added without a good reason, from a maintainability standpoint.
[19:40:21] <jlerner>	but i spend a lot more time in firefox, at least i'd like to
[19:40:25] <jlerner>	then wikipedia
[19:40:28] <alnokta2>	^demon, you can disable it
[19:40:33] <jlerner>	it's a rather basic bit of plumbing
[19:41:22] <jlerner>	i just want my history in the urlbar, not the bookmarks
[19:41:27] <jlerner>	anyway, OT
[19:41:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:41:49] <Simetrical>	History is in the URL bar, that's the whole point.
[19:41:55] <Simetrical>	It searches the history when you type in the URL bar.
[19:42:16] *Simetrical 	is really annoyed by how people want to reflexively disable new features just because they're used to the old way
[19:42:18] <jlerner>	yeah, i don't  want it in the toolbar, nor do i want to match on any substring in a history/bookmarked URL
[19:43:28] <jlerner>	(don't want bookmarks in urlbar, that is..)
[19:43:33] <jlerner>	anyway, back to work ;-)
[19:44:42] <AaronSchulz>	heh, I just notice the post-rollback diffs
[19:45:02] <alnokta2>	Simetrical, sometimes new features slow down your software which slows your computer then slows yourself
[19:45:05] <AaronSchulz>	sweet
[19:45:49] <Simetrical>	alnokta2, doubt this slows anyone down much in the long term.  Probably the opposite.  If you type anything in much, it will give what you usually go to after that as the first result, in principle.
[19:46:04] <Simetrical>	On the other hand, if you can remember the title of the page but not the URL, this is a significant time-saver.
[19:47:22] <jlerner>	i don't know about anyone else, but for me, i do save bookmarks, but rarely visit them - so 99% of the time, i'm just trying to reach a URL visited recently
[19:47:32] <jlerner>	so showing me anything else is just noise
[19:47:48] <Smaug>	if I ran update.php and have broken my site (I get a 500 error), where might I begin the troubleshooting process?  Is there a guide, or tips you have?
[19:48:00] *jlerner 	suspects this conversation is going on all over...
[19:48:37] <alnokta2>	^demon, about:config , browser.urlbar.maxRichResults set to zero , browser.urlbar.matchBehavior set to zero
[19:48:45] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: I did what you said, I installed Firebug
[19:48:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:48:49] <Davinci2008>	but the error is the same
[19:49:03] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: I think I need to find a way to tell apache to use php
[19:49:13] <Simetrical>	Davinci2008, of course it is, Firebug just lets you see what it is better.  Open up Firebug and go to the Net tab, look at the response headers.
[19:49:17] <Davinci2008>	I installed both packages with apt-get but maybe I need to do more
[19:49:25] <Davinci2008>	ok
[19:49:36] <Simetrical>	Davinci2008, maybe you need apache2-php or some similar special combination package.  What distro?
[19:49:57] <Simetrical>	jlerner, the new bar *does* show you recently visited URLs.
[19:50:01] *Simetrical 	sighs
[19:50:07] <Simetrical>	At least, it shows them first, usually.
[19:50:15] <jlerner>	right, and a bunch of other garbage i don't want
[19:50:18] <jlerner>	and almost never want
[19:50:25] <jlerner>	(bookmarks) ;-)
[19:51:03] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: nothing happens when I open the php page because a dialog box asking me to open or save it appears
[19:51:04] <jlerner>	i hit the urlbar hundreds of times a day, every little inconvenience up there slows me down
[19:51:09] <jlerner>	but i like firefox3 in general
[19:51:26] <Davinci2008>	if I open other pages... Firebug net tab shows something
[19:52:31] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: don't worry, it works now!
[19:52:49] <Davinci2008>	Mozilla does not open php files if I do File->open... but it opens them when they are on a link!
[19:53:06] <Simetrical>	jlerner, how long have you tried the new behavior?
[19:53:39] <Davinci2008>	Simetrical: thanks for all the advice...
[19:54:17] <jlerner>	not long
[19:54:27] <jlerner>	how long have you used it?
[19:55:00] <Davinci2008>	can I install media wiki with apt-get? or do I need to download the tgz?
[19:55:31] <toweri>	Yes you can, but it's some antiquated version.
[19:55:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  (10pbirken)
[19:56:17] <Simetrical>	toweri, not necessarily so antiquated.
[19:56:19] <Simetrical>	Depends on distro.
[19:56:26] <Simetrical>	jlerner, a couple of months.
[19:57:02] <Davinci2008>	well, I have the tar.gz
[19:57:07] <Davinci2008>	I will do that instead
[19:57:22] <balasyum>	depends on your needs
[19:57:55] <Davinci2008>	well, I just need a basic wiki to start
[19:58:02] <flyingparchment>	fwiw, i think having the address bar do a text search on title/url is great ;)
[19:58:02] <balasyum>	then apt-get install mediawiki
[19:58:06] <flyingparchment>	(opera 9.5 does the same thing)
[20:03:53] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, well, you're not prone to knee-jerk reactions.
[20:04:40] <Davinci2008>	well, I got apache2, php5 and mysql
[20:05:03] <Davinci2008>	and the media wiki tgz file, I unzipped it and now how do I install it?
[20:05:55] <Davinci2008>	ok, I found the manual now...
[20:09:14] <CIA-53>	03straussd * r36400 10/trunk/extensions/OpenLibrary/: Add OL directory
[20:09:29] <CIA-53>	03aaron * r36401 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[20:09:29] <CIA-53>	* Remove purge call (bogus now)
[20:09:29] <CIA-53>	* Fix check against wrong variable (should be $tmp_title)
[20:09:29] <CIA-53>	* Some minor refactoring
[20:10:48] <jlerner>	simeit's a knee-jerk reaction to accuse everyone who doesn't care for some new feature
[20:10:58] <jlerner>	simetrical, that sounds like a knee-jerk reaction to me..
[20:13:54] <Simetrical>	jlerner, nonsense, it's a considered application of an observed general rule.
[20:14:35] <Simetrical>	When a new feature disrupts people's ingrained routines substantially, some will complain regardless of the long-term utility of the feature, because the immediate effect for them is negative.
[20:14:59] <Simetrical>	These complaints should be ignored and/or scorned for the good of the software project.
[20:15:17] <Simetrical>	Nobody is going to be saying one year from now that this URL bar change was bad.
[20:15:22] <Simetrical>	They'll have gotten used to it.
[20:15:39] <Simetrical>	(Except for a couple of die-hards who've clung to Firefox 2 and never used Firefox 3 enough to get used to it.)
[20:15:43] <jlerner>	yes, let's force everyone into the same approach, regardless if it works for them
[20:16:00] <Simetrical>	BS, you never gave it a chance.  You admitted yourself that you hadn't used it long.
[20:16:14] <jlerner>	i didn't say i was quitting firefox
[20:16:15] <jlerner>	i like it
[20:16:27] <Simetrical>	^demon said he would use Firefox 2 if he couldn't fix the feature.
[20:16:31] <jlerner>	but the bookmarks popping up in urlbar is noise
[20:16:39] <jlerner>	it'll be noise a year from now
[20:16:40] <Simetrical>	(Which was itself almost certainly false, in the medium to long term.)
[20:16:55] <Davinci2008>	another question
[20:16:58] <Simetrical>	It's no more "noise" than lists of search suggestions are at google.com.
[20:17:02] <Davinci2008>	I installed php5 and mysql5
[20:17:10] <Simetrical>	It's relevant information that may or may not be helpful, and which you can ignore if appropriate.
[20:17:13] <Davinci2008>	but Media wiki config script says it cannot find mysql!
[20:17:16] <jlerner>	it's not noise compared to recently visited URLs, which is what i'm looking for
[20:17:22] <jlerner>	i don't want it to appear it all, it's distracting
[20:17:28] <jlerner>	it'll be distracting a year from now too
[20:17:33] <Davinci2008>	would that be due to the password? or do I need to inform php where mysql is located?
[20:17:40] <Simetrical>	jlerner, bet?
[20:17:48] <Simetrical>	(Well, except we can't, since you'll turn it off.)
[20:17:50] <jlerner>	but don't listen to what i'm saying, just call it "knee-jerk"
[20:17:58] <jlerner>	i don't think you can turn it off
[20:17:59] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[20:18:00] <Simetrical>	*Nothing* is distracting for a year straight.  You get used to things.
[20:18:02] <jlerner>	they removed that option
[20:18:09] <Simetrical>	jlerner, well, then you'll be in a good position to tell me if you feel the same in a year.
[20:18:17] <jlerner>	last thing i need is more noise to filter
[20:18:25] <gegema>	Error deleting file: Could not create directory "deleted/8/2/n" << I am getting this error when trying to delete a file on my MW install
[20:18:29] <jlerner>	presumably someone will create a plugin ;-)
[20:18:50] *Simetrical 	wonders if it would be reliable to set up an at job for one year from now . . . probably not
[20:19:06] <jlerner>	there are web reminder services
[20:19:10] <Davinci2008>	I found the problem, php5 was not compiled with mysql support... what can I do?
[20:20:39] <brion>	Davinci2008: install the mysql module... often this'll be named php5-mysql in your OS's package management system
[20:20:47] <CIA-53>	03minuteelectron * r36402 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/includes/Babel.php: * Disallow using template '' to avoid unexpected behaviour when prefixes and\or suffixes are added.
[20:20:55] <Davinci2008>	ok
[20:25:31] <Simetrical>	$ at 'September 17'
[20:25:31] <Simetrical>	at> touch '/home/aryeh/Desktop/REMIND JLERNER ABOUT FIREFOX AWESOME BAR'
[20:25:31] <Simetrical>	job 5 at Wed Sep 17 16:24:00 2008
[20:25:41] <jlerner>	ha
[20:25:43] <jlerner>	that's not a year, but ok
[20:25:50] *Simetrical 	is more interested now in if this will actually happen, three months from now, than what jlerner will say then
[20:25:54] *jlerner 	resists installing oldbar
[20:26:11] <Simetrical>	I was less sure my at jobs would still be working a year from now.
[20:26:37] <Simetrical>	In three months I might not have even restarted my computer, but in a year I'll have upgraded Ubuntu twice, and who knows what else.
[20:26:59] *Simetrical 	also wonders how long it will take him to notice the desktop icon, if it does happen
[20:27:04] *Simetrical 	doesn't use the desktop much
[20:27:44] <flyingparchment>	it'd be pretty lame if an upgrade removed at jobs
[20:28:13] <Simetrical>	It would.
[20:28:23] <Simetrical>	But who knows, maybe I'll have reinstalled for some reason.
[20:28:27] <Simetrical>	Upgraded my hard drives.
[20:28:45] *Simetrical 	sets another one for a year from now
[20:38:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patches from DaSch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397  normal->low; summary (10dasch_87)
[20:44:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patches from DaSch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[20:45:29] <Cincy>	What does a guy have to do to get an external linke to work from the sidebar??
[20:49:40] <Cincy>	Anyone..  I have an external link that works just fine in a page but when I move it to the sidebar the preview shows the right link when I mouse over it but when I save the page and refresh the new link says invalid-Title?? 
[20:53:39] <brion>	Cincy: put the url in the message you're providing a message key for, not in MediaWiki:Sidebar
[20:53:51] <brion>	MediaWiki:Sidebar is meant to list message key names, not raw text
[20:53:58] <brion>	one for the UI text (which changes with UI language)
[20:54:06] <brion>	and one for the target page or URL (which uses the content language)
[20:54:57] <Cincy>	Ok, where does one normally put those?  I guess that's in a backend file or something?
[20:55:12] <brion>	ok, look at MediaWiki:Sidebar's current contents
[20:55:20] <Cincy>	If I search for message key names do you think that would point me in the right direction?
[20:55:34] <brion>	you see a line like: ** portal-url|portal
[20:55:42] <brion>	now look at MediaWiki:Portal-url and MediaWiki:Portal
[20:55:43] <Cincy>	Yeah I was just looking at that
[20:56:04] <^demon>	brion: I finished moving all of the Search*.php from ~/includes to ~/includes/search (and drop the Search* prefix, a-la ~/includes/specials/). It *appears* to be working just fine. 
[20:56:44] <^demon>	Updated the autoloader. Don't see any raw require/include()s, so it should be good to go.
[20:56:44] <Cincy>	Ok so I need to place reference somewhere so I can use that type of naming convention
[20:57:15] <Venom[allylos]>	benötige mal hilfe auf deutsch bitte
[20:57:19] <brion>	^demon: we'll find out soon enough :D
[20:57:35] <brion>	Cincy: just add in the pages on the wiki using the same convention
[20:57:50] <brion>	it's a little weird to get used to, but it's relatively straightforward in its own creepy way ;)
[20:58:04] <ialex>	^demon: \o/, and maybe PrefixSearch.php?
[20:58:28] <Cincy>	so your saying the name of the page is all I need to change?
[20:58:42] <^demon>	ialex: PrefixSearch isn't really part of the search engine package, so I didn't move it.
[20:58:45] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36403 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (16 files in 2 dirs): More ~/includes cleanup. Moving all the Search*.php files to ~/includes/search.
[20:59:03] <ialex>	^demon: it is part of search :)
[20:59:34] <brion>	Cincy: well, you create a page in MediaWiki: namespace which contains the name or URL of the page you want to link to
[21:00:02] <^demon>	ialex: Meh ;-)
[21:00:15] <Cincy>	Hmmm ok let me give that a try.  Thanks!
[21:03:39] <Davinci2008>	hi again
[21:03:49] <Davinci2008>	I just installed the thing, it is at http://201.244.214.191/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[21:04:11] <Davinci2008>	but it says that image uploading is disabled... how can I enable it?
[21:05:07] <Davinci2008>	also, "input box create" does not work...
[21:05:08] <^demon>	!uploading | Davinci2008
[21:05:08] --mwbot--	Davinci2008: I don't know anything about "uploading". You might try: !install 
[21:05:13] <^demon>	Blah...
[21:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patches from DaSch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397  +comment (10dasch_87)
[21:06:02] <Cincy>	brion: Ok I got the link in the sidebar to link to an exisiting page and the a link on the page that goes external..  Any way to make the external link pull open automatically when the page is accessed.  I'm to web codeing
[21:08:27] <brion>	Cincy: no need. just put the URL in the MediaWiki:Foo page and put 'foo' in MediaWiki:Sidebar
[21:08:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patches from DaSch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14397  (10dasch_87)
[21:09:51] <Cincy>	Foo is juat anypage right?
[21:09:53] <Cincy>	jsut
[21:10:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes
[21:10:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	"Foo" and "Bar" are placeholders
[21:10:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with #ask - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14540  (10dasch_87)
[21:10:32] <Cincy>	lol  thx
[21:11:30] <Cincy>	Ok I tried to put a link for google both in [] and then just straight from the address bar http.... and there is a link on the page when I get there but it's not automatically transfering the user to google
[21:11:40] <Cincy>	what am I missing
[21:11:43] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: You actually read my mind!
[21:13:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	Cincy: Do you mean you're using #REDIRECT[[]] ?
[21:13:13] <Cincy>	no should i be?
[21:13:28] <^demon>	MinuteElectron: Reorganizing more?
[21:13:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	no, you shouldn't. What do you mean by "automatically transferring" then?
[21:14:29] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: No, I was going to do exactly what you did; but couldn't be bothered with all the possible breakages that might have occurred.
[21:14:34] <Cincy>	Well what I was tring to do is add a link to the sidebar of my wiki that would transfer the user to and external page
[21:14:35] <MinuteElectron>	You then did it ;P
[21:15:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh, I'm not sure what's going on then, sorry
[21:15:56] <Cincy>	Brion got me to create a link from the sidebar to a page within the wiki and I thought he was saying that I could force that page to open an external link automatically
[21:16:14] <Cincy>	Maybe I heard him  wrong
[21:16:42] <^demon>	MinuteElectron: Doesn't appear to break anything. The autoloader got updated, and I checked for any individual lingering include/require statements for it. Seems good to go :-)
[21:16:44] <Davinci2008>	!install
[21:16:44] --mwbot--	Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[21:17:43] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: :)
[21:17:51] <Mike_lifeguard>	I think you cannot do external links in the sidebar, perhaps? Not sure though, and I don't see why that would be the case
[21:17:57] <^demon>	MinuteElectron: I wrote a regex today to scan /includes for all require/include(once?) statements.
[21:18:03] <ialex>	^demon: it will break MWSearch
[21:18:12] <brion>	Cincy: pages in the MediaWiki: namespace are just placeholders for editable user interface text strings in MediaWiki's localization system
[21:18:16] <^demon>	ialex: Where/how to fix?
[21:18:27] <brion>	don't put markup it in, put the *string value*
[21:18:33] <brion>	which in this case is a *page name* or *URL*
[21:18:36] <ialex>	^demon: extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch.php
[21:18:43] <^demon>	Ah, will check.
[21:19:32] <Cincy>	Brion: yeah like http:\\google.com right in the edit page?
[21:19:57] <brion>	well, with forward slashes :D
[21:19:58] <brion>	but yes
[21:20:07] <Cincy>	oh forgot about that
[21:20:11] <flyingparchment>	heh, http:\\... haven't seen that in a while
[21:20:23] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: cool
[21:20:24] <ialex>	^demon: you can move the classes to to something like MWSearch_body.php
[21:20:36] <ialex>	^demon: and drop wfLuceneSearch
[21:20:55] <ialex>	and add them to $wgAutoloadClasses
[21:20:59] <ialex>	;)
[21:21:34] <^demon>	Or I can just fix the require() ;-)
[21:22:18] <ialex>	:(
[21:22:44] <Cincy>	No luv sry to be a pain but I'm new:  I put http://google.com in the edit page and the link works but still no auto transfer
[21:23:09] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36404 10/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch.php: Update with new path to ~/includes/SearchEngine.php (now ~/includes/search/Engine.php)
[21:23:35] <ialex>	^demon: it's bad to require() file at each request and define classes that'll be used only sometimes
[21:24:17] <^demon>	ialex: Yes, I know. I'm also not planning on refactoring MWSearch tonight.
[21:24:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving subpages doesn' t catch all the pages which should be moved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14369  summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[21:33:32] <GuillermoB>	hi. I'm new to mediawiki, and just managed to get it installed under mediatemple; the thing is, i have to go to wiki.website.com/index.php5 to view it, is there a way to access that same page from wiki.website.com?
[21:35:26] <nakon>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webserver_directory_index may be able to help, you have to add "index.php5" to your configuration file
[21:35:59] <GuillermoB>	thanks
[21:38:05] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36405 10/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/ (MWSearch.php MWSearch_body.php): Moved classes defined in wfLuceneSearch() and put them in MWSearch_body.php
[21:39:13] <^demon>	ialex: Hehe ;-)
[21:39:57] <ialex>	damn, this extension is absolutely register_globals unsafe
[21:50:15] *^demon 	just discovered that Geocities still exists
[21:54:34] <jablko>	how do i put multiple paragraphs in a list item?
[21:56:16] <Splarka>	you could make an html list instead
[21:56:31] <Splarka>	<ol><li>whatever</li> .... <li>whatever</li></ol>
[21:56:52] <Splarka>	(or <ul> for unordered)
[21:57:54] <alnokta2>	hi Splarka 
[21:58:04] <Splarka>	ra
[21:58:37] <alnokta2>	what language is ra?
[21:58:38] *^demon 	is trying to figure out when wikitext turned sado-masochist
[21:58:45] <MinuteElectron>	hehe
[21:58:59] <^demon>	MinuteElectron: I take it you read the e-mail?
[21:59:01] <Splarka>	jablko: <ul style="border:1px solid blue;"><li style="border:1px solid red;"><p style="border:1px solid green;">whatever</p><p style="border:1px solid green;">whatever</p><p style="border:1px solid green;">whatever</p></li><li>whatever</li></ul>
[21:59:07] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: i did :P
[21:59:13] <Splarka>	we love the sun god, he sure is a fun god, ra ra ra!
[21:59:18] <MinuteElectron>	bye
[21:59:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  improperly closed references tag should result in an obvious error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12757  (10brion)
[22:01:13] <Splarka>	jablko: although listitems are not the best places to contain paragraphs...
[22:01:35] <Splarka>	maybe try wikicode with contained html (although it has to all appear in one line):
[22:01:35] <Splarka>	*bar
[22:01:35] <Splarka>	*<blockquote><p>foo bar baz</p><p>foo bar baz</p><p>foo bar baz</p><p>foo bar baz</p></blockquote>
[22:01:35] <Splarka>	*baz
[22:02:06] <alnokta2>	splarkan with iso code spl then
[22:02:42] <Splarka>	hmm?
[22:22:53] <GuillermoB>	i'm somewhat lost here. in my brand new installation of mediawiki, i have index.php and index.php5, i assume index.php is read first, but given that the host i'm using requires php 5 to be called with the php5 extension to enter the wiki i have to manually type whatever.com/index.php5; the thing is, if a go to the website directly i just get a blank page, what should i change?
[22:25:21] <^demon>	GuillermoB: Do you have the ability to use .htaccess files?
[22:25:34] <alnokta2>	 in localsettings.php change $wgScriptExtension  = ".php"; to php5
[22:26:10] <GuillermoB>	^demon: no, im using the grid service of mediatemple
[22:26:24] <GuillermoB>	alnokta2: ok, i'll see if it works
[22:27:23] <GuillermoB>	alnokta2: it's already as php5 :/
[22:29:45] <alnokta2>	may be you can rename index.php to index.php5
[22:31:09] <GuillermoB>	it didn't work, i still have a blank page
[22:33:56] <alnokta2>	try to change  $wgScriptExtension  = ".php5"; to php only
[22:35:33] <alnokta2>	what about http://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/19/What+is+an+.htaccess+file%3F ?
[22:36:24] <GuillermoB>	changing wgScriptExtension to php, didnt work. i'm going to try with .htaccess
[22:39:10] <^demo1>	(6:25:59 PM) ^demon: alnokta2: Also needs to change his DirectoryIndex, or Apache will continue to serve index.php
[22:40:27] <GuillermoB>	i'm changing DirectoryIndex to index.php5
[22:41:59] <GuillermoB>	yep, it worked! thanks
[22:44:29] <AvatarOfWoe>	hiho. A little question. I want to limit the output of my wiki to 1024 pixel. Have insert a table with this size (<table width=1024 BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0 align="center">), but when I insert the PHP Stuff (main page / body stuff) it will extends over 1024. Is there a way to limit the output to 1024 at all?
[22:46:57] <Splarka>	AvatarOfWoe: you'll probably have to create a new skin specifically designed for that, monobook isn't designed to do that too well
[22:47:15] <Splarka>	(although you could hard-limit the globalWrapper div to 1024 in CSS probably)
[22:47:48] <AvatarOfWoe>	I have a new skin. But when I insert the PHP stuff it will extens my table settings :(
[22:48:59] <AvatarOfWoe>	hmm. never practiced on that css stuff. maybe i have to start :)
[22:49:07] <Splarka>	well, you don't wanna insert a table...
[22:49:23] <Splarka>	most skins have a wrapping outer div, and you can style the <body> to some extent too
[22:50:35] <AvatarOfWoe>	im not shure i can handle it without tables :)
[23:38:27] <cybercobra>	I'm following the instructions to add Googlesearch for v1.12.0, but the search button says "$3" rather than "Google"
[23:40:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530  +comment (10stigmj)
[23:41:33] <cybercobra>	also,  how do I add other entries to the footer where the About & Disclaimer links are?
[23:58:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow localization of edit button images in LanguageXYZ.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11732  +comment (10mohamed.m.k)