[00:02:04] <TimStarling>	aljoke: someone already asked me that...
[00:02:12] <TimStarling>	that wasn't you was it?
[00:02:41] <TimStarling>	are you a VLC developer? or an interested user?
[00:02:52] <aljoke>	TimStarling, thats probably me but i haven't gotten any feedback from you, so i asked again. :)
[00:03:05] <aljoke>	TimStarling, interested user
[00:03:43] <TimStarling>	I gave my answer at the time, but I can give it again
[00:03:56] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36588 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesUz.php: Fix regression from r36301: add namespace aliases
[00:04:15] <TimStarling>	VLC regularly crashed when I tested it on windows, taking the browser down with it
[00:04:32] <TimStarling>	it needs process separation if it's going to behave like that
[00:04:45] <TimStarling>	and quicktime works just fine
[00:05:11] <aljoke>	i see thanks and sorry for making you repeat 
[00:05:54] <Charitwo>	Tim, what would cause a checkuser to return a no matches found for several valid accounts with a handful of contributions made within the last 24 hours?
[00:09:57] <TimStarling>	give me a diff link
[00:10:07] <TimStarling>	I'll see if it's in the DB
[00:10:42] <AaronSchulz>	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415310
[00:10:50] *AaronSchulz 	grrs
[00:16:12] <Charitwo>	TimStarling: not on wikimedia
[00:17:10] <Monobi>	TimStarling, can you enable editing via the API ?
[00:18:31] <lubos>	guys is there a simple way to redirect all discussions pages to external web site ? thank you
[00:19:17] <Charitwo>	lubos: mediawiki wasn't designed to accommodate that kind of modification
[00:22:51] <tekmosis>	lubos, you could do a rewrite rule that grabs anything that is "Talk:" and redirect it somewhere else
[00:23:45] <lubos>	tekmosis: I did that....but I'm not able to apply that rule for new discussion pages...somehow it doeas not work :-)
[00:26:06] <tekmosis>	ahh, I see. Are you familiar with php at all? if so I can give you some psuedo code to help you in the right direction
[00:28:03] <alnokta>	lubos, i have something similar
[00:28:16] <lubos>	tekmosis: yes I'm but just a little bit...you can try me :-))
[00:28:45] <tekmosis>	k, give me a sec
[00:28:58] <alnokta>	lubos, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Alnokta/Fixtabs.php
[00:30:27] <lubos>	alnokta: nice this seems to be what I need... where should I put that code?
[00:31:10] <alnokta>	lubos, in a file in extensions directory , then include it from localsettings.php like any extension
[00:35:42] <tekmosis>	lubos, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Tekmosis
[00:38:16] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: why did you make r36519?
[00:40:23] <Thure0>	Hello – could someone help me with interlanguage links?
[00:40:32] <Thure0>	I'm having trouble at queermcgill.ca/wiki
[00:41:05] <Monobi__>	Ok, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[00:41:14] <Monobi__>	There's that whitespace behind the text
[00:41:20] <Monobi__>	Is there a way to place an image in there
[00:41:24] <Monobi__>	Like a watermark?
[00:41:27] <tekmosis>	Thure0, you mean interwiki links?
[00:42:00] <Monobi__>	Splarka, know if there is a way to place an image behind the text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narada_Productions
[00:42:06] <Monobi__>	Splarka, that's just my example :-)
[00:42:44] <Splarka>	behind which text?
[00:42:50] <Monobi__>	The main article
[00:43:16] <lubos>	alnokta: you are missing ?> at the end...i think...
[00:43:44] <alnokta>	lubos, not needed
[00:43:53] <lubos>	tekmosis: I did place it into localse..php and it did not to the trick...
[00:44:30] <Splarka>	Monobi: you mean the bodyContent?
[00:44:40] <lubos>	alnokta: I my case it i died..
[00:45:12] <Splarka>	Monobi: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing for example, that blue shaded crossedout (c)
[00:45:46] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/b/b8/PD-banner.png
[00:45:53] <Monobi__>	Ok
[00:46:09] <Splarka>	is that what you mean?
[00:46:12] <Monobi__>	Splarka, yeah, the body content
[00:46:13] <Monobi__>	Yes
[00:46:44] <Splarka>	that for example is done in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[00:46:56] <Splarka>	at:   .ns-12 #content { 
[00:47:07] <Splarka>	no-repeat and aligned at the top/right
[00:47:13] <Monobi__>	Yeah, ok
[00:47:18] <Monobi__>	Thanks
[00:47:46] <alnokta>	lubos, don't copy it to localsettings, copy to a file in extensions.. then add something like that to localsettings:  include_once('extensions/fixtabs.php');
[00:47:53] <Splarka>	and then   .ns-12 #bodyContent {   for the larger faded c
[00:49:51] <lubos>	alnokta: yes that is wahat I did...
[00:50:02] <lubos>	alnokta: but....now it works...
[00:50:11] <lubos>	alnokta: thans man...
[00:50:31] <alnokta>	you welcome
[00:51:25] <lubos>	:-)) beautiful..check discusionss -> http://www.linuxconfig.org thanks again...
[00:54:19] <PieRRoMaN>	hi, I'd like some advice about namespace creation
[00:54:59] <PieRRoMaN>	fr.wikipedia is currently planning to add a new namespace for the village pump 
[00:55:27] <PieRRoMaN>	is it possible to add a namespace without a talk namespace associated?
[00:56:17] <Splarka>	you could simply hide the discussion link in that namespace
[00:56:30] <CIA-53>	03mfarag * r36589 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LanguageNamesAr.php: typos
[00:57:33] <PieRRoMaN>	yeah but the namespace would still be available, wouldn't it?
[00:58:10] <PieRRoMaN>	the point is to have a unqiue namespace, like Special:
[00:58:38] <Splarka>	this is what Uncyclopedia does:
[00:58:39] <Splarka>	body.ns-111 #p-logo a { background-image: url(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/d/db/Forum_talk.png) !important; }
[00:59:39] <Splarka>	and also:
[00:59:39] <Splarka>	body.ns-110 #ca-talk { display: none !important }
[00:59:39] <Splarka>	body.ns-110 #ca-nstab-forum { margin-right: 16px }
[00:59:51] <Splarka>	that is to hide ns-111 "Forum_talk:" from ns-110: "Forum:"
[01:00:42] <PieRRoMaN>	ok
[01:01:59] <Monobi__>	Splarka,   .ns-0 #bodyContent {
[01:02:19] <Monobi__>	background-image: url(' <removed> '); 
[01:02:26] <Monobi__>	    background-repeat: no-repeat;
[01:02:26] <Monobi__>	    background-position: center 5em;
[01:02:26] <Monobi__>	  }
[01:02:28] <Monobi__>	Doesn't work
[01:02:33] <Monobi__>	The url is valid, though
[01:05:28] <Splarka>	I don't think you can mix top/bottom/left/right/center syntax with actual xpos/ypos
[01:06:09] <Splarka>	try background-position: 50% 5em;
[01:07:32] <Splarka>	Monobi: works for me, also try this maybe:
[01:07:36] <Splarka>	.ns-0 #bodyContent { background: url('http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif') no-repeat 50% 5em; }
[01:07:40] <Monobi__>	Ok
[01:08:46] <Simetrical>	Splarka, of course you can.  http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-background-position
[01:11:47] <Splarka>	Simetrical: so where do they actually provide an example of mixed?
[01:12:14] <Simetrical>	Splarka, look at the syntax spec.
[01:13:22] <Splarka>	I am, "50% 50%", and "center center" behave identical in my mozilla, but "center 50%" and "50% center" do not
[01:14:44] <Splarka>	-> If at least one value is not a keyword, then the first value represents the horizontal position and the second represents the vertical position.
[01:14:58] <Splarka>	and what if one value is a keyword? ambiguous
[01:15:08] <PieRRoMaN>	so, you're saying there's no way but CSS hiding to disable the associated talk pages to a namespace?
[01:15:32] <Splarka>	PieRRoMaN: well, you can also disable editing the namespace with the namespace permissions
[01:16:14] <PieRRoMaN>	yeah, of course
[01:16:17] <Splarka>	Simetrical: center: Equivalent to '50%' for the horizontal position if it is not otherwise given, or '50%' for the vertical position if it is.
[01:16:38] <Splarka>	center, at least then, should not be used without another given keyword, is how I interpret that
[01:16:43] <PieRRoMaN>	but I thought maybe something like the special: namespace could be made
[01:18:42] <Splarka>	not using the custom namespace syntax
[01:19:23] <Splarka>	Simetrical: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp#background
[01:19:36] <PieRRoMaN>	ok
[01:19:44] <Splarka>	notice in the "Values" they give every possible combination of keyword, and then at the bottom x% y%, xpos ypos
[01:20:29] <Splarka>	that they leave it ambiguous to me means that different browsers may interpret them in different ways, and that it should be avoided even if for just that reason
[01:21:38] <AaronSchulz>	sooo, was the Library of Alexandria discovered or not?
[01:22:08] <Splarka>	Simetrical:  "Combinations of keyword, length and percentage values are allowed..." was part of the 2.1 specs but was removed
[01:22:31] <Splarka>	and, 2.0: "Keywords cannot be combined with percentage values or length values"
[01:23:04] <Splarka>	and as several browsers are still <= 2, I think it is a very very good idea not to mix them
[01:23:17] <PieRRoMaN>	thx for your help
[01:23:19] <PieRRoMaN>	bye
[01:26:48] <Splarka>	Simetrical: compare your link to older version: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/colors.html#propdef-background-position
[01:38:25] <puck>	peleg:  I've written a Perl filter which strips out the various blocks that shouldn't be rendered to text
[03:27:51] <CIA-53>	03mfarag * r36590 10/trunk/wap/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Add Arabic (ar)
[04:32:04] <davidmccabe>	I'm trying to intercept each time an <a> tag is generated as part of the main body wikitext. Is replaceLinkHolders() a good place to go for that?
[04:47:50] <Splarka>	http://homepage.mac.com/kyosuke/statements/science_vs_religion.gif
[06:29:28] <CIA-53>	03aaron * r36591 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsXML.php: Extra tag
[06:29:42] *Charitwo 	kicks CIA-53
[06:29:42] <CIA-53>	ow
[06:36:07] <razor>	is there some clever way of putting the 3 latest articles edited on the frontpage? like a macro or something?
[06:37:39] <checkers>	how can I allow wiki searching for terms with 3 or less characters?
[07:05:49] <andronos>	hi
[07:07:05] <andronos>	anyone there?
[07:08:51] <balasyum>	yes
[07:09:41] <deepfreez>	Hi, i have some questions! i create a wikipedia website! how i can stop register users & nobady how don't have user can't add a new articles!
[07:09:48] <andronos>	haha, ok
[07:10:10] <andronos>	is there anyway to make the wiki private? or at least the articles, i mean, only registered users can read
[07:11:12] <Splarka>	deepfreez: you want to disable user registration, and disable anon users from new article creation?
[07:11:47] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['createaccount']    = false;
[07:11:50] <balasyum>	!access
[07:11:50] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[07:11:59] <balasyum>	!access | deepfreez 
[07:11:59] --mwbot--	deepfreez: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[07:12:16] <deepfreez>	tnx 
[07:12:23] <Splarka>	....yes, nice and spammy balasyum
[07:12:34] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createpage']       = false;
[07:12:40] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']    = false;
[07:12:56] <Splarka>	but with that, anon users can still edit and create talk pages
[07:12:58] <deepfreez>	i see
[07:13:06] <Splarka>	andronos: yes, you can, but...
[07:13:09] <MZMcBride>	And view...
[07:13:26] <Splarka>	MZM: that wasn't deepfreez's question
[07:13:32] <MZMcBride>	Semantics.
[07:13:36] <Splarka>	what?
[07:13:48] <Splarka>	andronos: it is all or nothing, either all pages are viewable or none are, basically
[07:13:57] <Splarka>	you do not want to mess with half-protected-from-view setups, insecure
[07:14:32] <andronos>	Splarka: i want to protect the hole wiki
[07:14:36] <andronos>	whole*
[07:14:44] <Splarka>	MZM: how can "how i can stop register users & nobady how don't have user can't add a new articles" be interpreted as asking for page view restrictions, under any semantics?
[07:14:48] <andronos>	i mean, only registered users can read and edit and such
[07:14:53] <Splarka>	andronos: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[07:14:57] <Dor>	if I have a template which is
[07:15:02] <andronos>	so forbidding anon users it's the way i thing
[07:15:03] <MZMcBride>	It's semantics that they were two separate users asking two separate questions. ;)
[07:15:06] <andronos>	yep, i'm having a look
[07:15:08] <andronos>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
[07:15:09] <deepfreez>	Splarka but i can make the superusers can modify in website no?
[07:15:18] <Dor>	<div class="header_box">{{{1}}}</div> (for example)
[07:15:27] <Dor>	and then I write on another page
[07:15:28] <Splarka>	deepfreez: yes, see the  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[07:15:38] <Dor>	{{subst:template|blah}}
[07:15:41] <deepfreez>	;) tnx for all
[07:15:53] *MZMcBride 	nods at Dor. And?
[07:15:54] <Dor>	will it substitute it with <div class="header_box">bla</div> ?
[07:16:03] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[07:16:16] <Splarka>	andronos: you want to forbid anon users from 'edit','view', and just about everything else
[07:16:21] <Dor>	and if it's not {{{1}}} but {{{parameter|}}}
[07:16:30] <MZMcBride>	As long as "blah" doesn't contain an equals sign. In which case you need to specify {{subst:template|1=blah}}
[07:16:36] <Dor>	so it'll be {{subst:template|parameter=bla}}
[07:16:37] <Dor>	?
[07:16:44] <MZMcBride>	Yep.
[07:16:47] <Dor>	okay
[07:16:49] <Dor>	thank you :)
[07:16:50] <Splarka>	andronos: do you want people to be able to create their own accounts in order to start editing/viewing? if not: $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']    = false;
[07:16:53] <MZMcBride>	No problem.
[07:17:17] <Splarka>	Dor: be aware that splitting <div> into two templates, or inside/outside a template, might barf if tidy is not enabled
[07:17:33] <Splarka>	but as long as one template contains both an opening and closing hierarchy it should be fine
[07:17:49] <Dor>	I always close div
[07:17:56] <Dor>	otherwise it messes the rest of the page
[07:18:01] <andronos>	yep, the may reate accounts, thanks
[07:18:08] <andronos>	i think i got it
[07:18:20] <andronos>	btw, may this changes break things with short-urls?
[07:18:34] <MZMcBride>	How would it?
[07:18:56] <andronos>	dunno, but it does not work now (it did 5 min before o.O)
[07:19:10] <andronos>	haha, nvm, i'll take a look and reset .htaccess
[07:20:46] <Splarka>	Dor: I mean if you had {{opendiv}} with <div> and {{closediv}} with </div> it wouldn't work, without tidy
[07:21:06] <Dor>	oh
[07:21:14] <Dor>	that's quite silly
[07:21:25] <Dor>	but oh well
[07:21:45] <Dor>	I write CSS so fast I don't really care :P
[07:21:46] <andronos>	mmm why do the mod_rewrite work with the main page but not userlogin? o.O
[07:30:44] <peleg>	puck: would you mind sharing it somehow?
[07:32:20] <puck>	peleg: Sure, not a problem.
[07:32:23] <puck>	Hang on a tick
[07:39:30] <SQLDb>	I'm working on making AntiSpoof return multiple matches, and, I'm most of the way there, but, is there a way to make ParserFunctions (like #ifeq for instance) work in [[Mediawiki:Antispoof-name-conflict]]? The way I'm testing it right now, it may return as little as 1 conflicted name, as many as 3, and I'm not sure how to display that.
[07:40:46] <Splarka>	depends on what wfMsg calls that message, probably
[07:40:53] <SQLDb>	Splarka: lemme look
[07:41:08] <Splarka>	lots of messages have parser functions or at least potentially support them
[07:41:12] <SQLDb>	ahh, no idea :) I'm newish at messing with mw
[07:41:35] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Nstab-main&diff=prev&oldid=217955007   heh
[07:42:08] <Splarka>	SQLDb: there is some precident for varying numbers of results, probably better as multiple messages
[07:42:34] <Splarka>	one for one, one for two, one for more than two, etc
[07:42:54] <SQLDb>	Splarka: like, Antispoof-name-conflict-1 Antispoof-name-conflict-2 Antispoof-name-conflict-3 etc?
[07:43:09] <Splarka>	possibly, hang on, lemme find an example
[07:43:13] <SQLDb>	good idea actually :)
[07:43:31] <Splarka>	(but there is also {{plural:}}
[07:43:42] <Splarka>	eg: 'category-article-count-limited' => 'The following {{PLURAL:$1|page is|$1 pages are}} in the current category.',
[07:44:19] <Splarka>	also stuff like:
[07:44:20] <Splarka>	'fileduplicatesearch-result-1' => 'The file "$1" has no identical duplication.',
[07:44:20] <Splarka>	'fileduplicatesearch-result-n' => 'The file "$1" has {{PLURAL:$2|1 identical duplication|$2 identical duplications}}.',
[07:44:29] <SQLDb>	hmm
[07:47:06] <SQLDb>	Splarka: actually, it looks like PLURAL would do great for what I'm looking to do, thank you so much! :)
[07:47:12] <Splarka>	no prob
[07:47:16] *SQLDb 	was banging his head against the wall there for a while
[07:47:27] <Splarka>	check existing messages  http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[07:47:40] <Splarka>	everything you've tried to do has been done before, usually
[07:48:07] <Splarka>	I remember some extension having at least 4 messages for varying amounts of returned results...
[07:48:37] *Splarka 	shrugs
[07:48:46] <Charitwo>	o_q i say
[07:49:32] <SQLDb>	Splarka: is it possible to count how many arguments were actually passed to a MW: page, inside the page with some sort of magic word?
[07:50:50] <Splarka>	you mean like {{#if:$2|, and $2}}{{#if:$3|, and $3}}{{#if:$4|, and $4}}?
[07:50:50] *Splarka 	shudders
[07:51:34] <SQLDb>	heh
[07:51:46] <Splarka>	I think you'd want to build a list (table, li, divs, whatever) and explode the results, having one message generate each line of results (as wrapper for any non-generated text at least)
[07:51:57] <Splarka>	if you were getting that fancy ^_^
[07:53:25] <SQLDb>	I spose, I could pass a count( $var ) directly to the MW message, as the first or second param, but, that would break most of any customized sites that use that extension at present :P
[08:05:17] <a>	Who can tell me why there is not the WYSIWYG editor?
[08:06:51] <Splarka>	because duplicating the parser in javascript is very hard, and in order to create a perfect parser you need access to the database (or templates/transclusions, parserfunctions, and even simple links, are unpredictable without server calls)
[08:07:12] <Splarka>	that is, the only way to render a page is to have the wiki itself parse it
[08:07:36] <Splarka>	so you can only wyg simple wiki markup and (the allowed) html
[08:09:42] <mondschein>	hi, my wiki shows after changing a page not the real changing time at the end of the page but the last change time before the change i just did... :( have a hint?
[08:10:50] <Splarka>	a: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor
[08:11:50] <a>	thank you, guys
[08:15:25] <Zach>	can you sort wantedpages by name?
[08:16:40] <Zach>	alphabetical?
[08:35:05] <dachary>	hi
[08:35:31] <dachary>	I'm looking for a free mediawiki hosting facility. Is there such a thing ? For a small size site.
[08:36:04] <Tubarao>	wikia.com ?
[08:43:15] <dachary>	indeed :-) Thanks.
[09:10:15] <dachary>	how can I be notified by mail when a page I watch is modified ? 
[09:11:48] <dachary>	Oh, it happens by default. Good :-)
[09:13:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629 major; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; ()
[09:14:54] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36592 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Message.php TranslateEditAddons.php): * I hate weak typing
[09:17:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629  (10flrn)
[09:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629  (10stasielvova)
[09:21:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ignore non-articles on Lonelypages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8516  (10stasielvova)
[09:37:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629  +comment (10Andrew)
[09:46:23] <andronos>	bye :)
[09:48:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AntiSpoof should return more than one result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12232  (10sxwiki)
[10:01:25] <peleg>	puck: whenever you can, just paste it somewhere, and/or give me a private message. I won't be here most of the time, but I'll come and check every once in a while... thanks ;-)
[10:02:11] <puck>	peleg: Sure, not a problem.
[10:11:36] <thermoman>	hi. i deleted some pages in the wiki via nukePage.php but the categories aren't refreshed ... still categories listed with 5 items but there are no real items when clicking on that category
[10:11:47] <thermoman>	did run rebuildall.php but didn't change a thing
[10:11:49] <thermoman>	any ideas?
[10:59:36] <checkers>	how can I allow wiki searching for terms with 3 or less characters?
[11:10:24] <padde>	checkers: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Short_words_in_searches
[11:11:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Admins should be asked for confirmation when Antispoof applies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13426  (10e.wikipedia)
[11:34:00] <xci>	how can I enable svg-support?
[11:34:18] <xci>	I can upload svg-pictures, but they don't show correctly
[11:35:21] <Tubarao>	xci: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG
[11:38:08] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36593 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/SpecialInterwiki_body.php: Fix XHTML errors, be sure that messages are escaped
[11:39:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AntiSpoof should return more than one result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12232  (10tylerromeo)
[11:45:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  (10pbirken)
[11:48:02] <XTZGZoReX>	<b>Warning</b>: in_array() [<a href='function.in-array'>function.in-array</a>]: Wrong datatype for second argument in <b>/home/site/html/wiki/includes/Namespace.php</b> on line <b>159</b><br /> -- Does anyone have a clue what thi sis about?
[11:48:12] <XTZGZoReX>	this is*
[11:48:17] <XTZGZoReX>	It appears when editing the mainpage.
[11:49:42] <ialex>	XTZGZoReX: 1.12.0?
[11:51:14] <ialex>	XTZGZoReX: what's the value of $wgContentNamespaces in your LocalSettings.php?
[11:51:52] <XTZGZoReX>	ialex: just a sec
[11:52:28] <XTZGZoReX>	ialex: Oh, I have things like $wgContentNamespaces = "100"; -- it should be $wgContentNamespaces[] = "100";, shouldn't it?
[11:52:48] <ialex>	XTZGZoReX: the latter is correct
[11:52:59] <ialex>	the first one not
[11:53:34] <XTZGZoReX>	Ah.
[11:53:41] <XTZGZoReX>	Lemme try correcting it then :)
[11:53:41] <CIA-53>	03mkroetzsch * r36594 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_vCard.php: More fields for vCard, heuristics for guessing first and last name of a compound name
[11:54:13] <CIA-53>	03mkroetzsch * r36595 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/README: extended credits
[11:54:34] <Nikerabbit>	fuck you php
[11:54:40] <Nikerabbit>	    Note:  The first argument is always the current script's filename, therefore $argv[0] is the script's name.  
[11:54:45] <Nikerabbit>	no it isn't!!
[11:55:14] <ialex>	O_o
[11:55:18] <XTZGZoReX>	=o
[11:55:22] <XTZGZoReX>	ialex: worked, thanks. <3
[11:55:34] <ialex>	no problem :)
[11:55:37] <CIA-53>	03river * r36596 10/trunk/tools/tsutils/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[11:55:37] <CIA-53>	getpasstofile (new): read a password from the user and store it in a file
[11:55:37] <CIA-53>	acctexp: check uid instead of gid for rootness (needed for LDAP)
[12:01:31] <Nikerabbit>	mmm
[12:01:32] <Nikerabbit>	fuck
[12:01:46] <Nikerabbit>	why in earth commandline.inc has to mangle $argv
[12:03:35] <Jubei>	howdy ;) Can somebody please tell me what is currently the best solution for adding extra languages to mediawiki ?
[12:03:55] <Jubei>	i.e I need (for the time being) to add 1 more language
[12:06:40] <ialex>	Jubei; to add it where?
[12:06:54] <Jubei>	eer... if I understand correctly
[12:07:26] <Jubei>	i.e I need to have a 2nd wiki in chinese for instance
[12:07:36] <Jubei>	that wiki will be about the same subject
[12:07:54] <Jubei>	and I want , IF the same article exists in both wikis a link to exist on the left like in Wikipedia
[12:08:03] <ialex>	you can create a second wiki
[12:08:21] <ialex>	and create interwiki links
[12:08:43] <Jubei>	so the link has to be created manualy from one wiki to another right?
[12:09:01] <Jubei>	how about the link table on the left with the languages that the article exists in?
[12:09:07] <Jubei>	can I have that somehow?
[12:09:33] <ialex>	edit the interwiki table in the database
[12:10:18] <Jubei>	uhm.. ok. I'll try to read up on that. thanks!
[12:18:19] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: 1
[12:18:38] <ialex>	hmm?
[12:18:44] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: that would be a perfect case for wrapWikiMsg
[12:18:47] <Nikerabbit>	now it is double escaped
[12:19:28] <Nikerabbit>	+                                       $errormessage = wfMsgHtml( 'interwiki_editerror', $prefix ); $wgOut->addWikiText( "<br /><div class=\"error\">$errormessage</div><br />" );
[12:19:39] <Nikerabbit>	now to mention wtf is that added $prefix?
[12:20:12] <ialex>	$1 was already in the message
[12:20:45] <Nikerabbit>	well... you didn't mention anything about it
[12:22:16] <Darkoneko>	hello
[12:23:03] <Darkoneko>	I'm looking for a way to disable the "log" (deletion, block, etc) show in recent changes ; but I can't find a var about this at mediawiki.org
[12:23:10] <Darkoneko>	does such as variable exist ?
[12:25:17] <Duesentrieb>	i don't think that is possible
[12:25:32] <Darkoneko>	ah :(
[12:25:59] <Duesentrieb>	well, donÄt take my word for it, i might be wrong :)
[12:26:29] <Darkoneko>	well, since I've been looking for that half an hour, I'm totally ready to believe you :)
[12:27:19] <Darkoneko>	well, thank you :) backto coding
[12:28:18] <Splarka>	anything is possible...
[12:28:38] <Darkoneko>	Splarka: I know, it just mean, I'll have to tweak the code instea dof a var
[12:29:42] <Splarka>	for example, how does central auth hide new user log entries from recent changes (yet they show in Special:Log), are they +bot?
[12:30:29] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36597 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/SpecialInterwiki_body.php: Per Nikerabbit: fixed double escaping (and changed the class from error to errorbox)
[12:30:30] <ialex>	Splarka: $logPage = new LogPage( 'newusers', false );
[12:30:53] <ialex>	$logPage->addEntry( ... );
[12:31:19] <Splarka>	ahh, poo, so it would take modification of code for other log entries...
[12:31:56] <ialex>	or just change LogPage::__construct() to force it to be false
[12:32:25] <Splarka>	ialex: what happens there, if newuserlog isn't installed?
[12:32:35] <Splarka>	oop, brb
[12:32:44] <ialex>	...
[12:32:48] *Darkoneko 	is confused
[12:33:34] <future_cracker_0>	hi
[12:33:46] <future_cracker_0>	there's an issue
[12:34:01] <future_cracker_0>	anyone can help?
[12:34:52] <ialex>	future_cracker_0: just ask your question, maybe somebody will answer
[12:35:58] <future_cracker_0>	a backup of a site was taken along with the DB, now the DB seems to be missing rows in text table 
[12:37:07] <future_cracker_0>	for alsmost all pages its showing "There is currently no text in this page"
[12:38:03] <future_cracker_0>	what could be the problem
[12:38:10] <future_cracker_0>	this is after a server move
[12:38:35] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36598 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: * Some classes from maintenance for autoloading
[12:39:06] <future_cracker_0>	?
[12:41:46] <future_cracker_0>	anyone can help
[12:42:12] <SQLDb>	future_cracker_0: the backup was taken poorly? Does your SQL dump that you're restoring from have the text rows?
[12:42:21] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36599 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groupStatistics.php: * Clean up
[12:45:00] <future_cracker_0>	hi SQL, I dont know, some other guy took a backup, text table has 67 rows but I think it should have more
[12:46:09] <future_cracker_0>	also, can you tell me if text is the only table which contains articles in the MediaWiki 1.12.0
[12:46:27] <Darkoneko>	uh oh
[12:48:15] <Darkoneko>	versions's text is in archives, isn't it ?
[12:49:30] <future_cracker_0>	I mean the text for the pages like Main_Page etc
[12:51:46] <future_cracker_0>	anyone?
[12:51:59] <Xiong>	not sure i understand the question
[12:52:08] <Xiong>	all pages, all versions, are stored in the DB
[12:52:28] <future_cracker_0>	in MediaWiki 1.12.0 , where is the text for Main_Page etc stored, which table
[12:52:34] <Darkoneko>	well, it is *not* a good idea to export only some of the tables
[12:52:55] <Darkoneko>	like I said, the version's text is in "archives"
[12:53:03] <Xiong>	yeh, i would not want to say, "i know where such-and-such a page is, exactly"
[12:53:15] <Xiong>	that's like crossing the boundary with object methods
[12:53:20] <Xiong>	you should treat it as a black box
[12:54:03] <Xiong>	you don't want to edit or otherwise manipulate the DB
[12:54:14] <Darkoneko>	back to coding ._.
[12:54:15] <Xiong>	"wikiuser" should be the only user
[12:54:32] <Xiong>	copy it as a unit
[12:54:41] <Xiong>	(the DB)
[12:56:36] <future_cracker_0>	just does anyone know where exactly in DB the page content for Main_Page is stored in MediaWiki
[13:02:10] <SQLDb>	future_cracker_0: depends on the revision
[13:02:30] <SQLDb>	rev_text_id on the revision table is linked to old_id on the text table
[13:02:38] <SQLDb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Text_table
[13:03:29] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36600 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/Title.php): Bit of work to AbortMove hook, in preparation for making the SpamBlacklist work on move logs.
[13:06:40] <future_cracker_0>	but only the text table can contain page info right
[13:07:20] <SQLDb>	only the text table contains page text
[13:10:42] <future_cracker_0>	k thanks
[13:11:56] <future_cracker_0>	whats external links for
[13:13:09] <SQLDb>	future_cracker_0: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Externallinks_table it stores external links
[13:13:23] <future_cracker_0>	k
[13:16:05] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36601 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateUtils.php: * Removed unused code
[13:17:43] <bango>	hey is there any extension which shows the written article by an user, so that a User can say on his userpage ive written this articles
[13:17:53] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36602 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (7 files): * A new maintenance script and cleanups to others
[13:25:08] <Fraifrai>	hello
[13:25:37] <Mww113>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/quips.cgi  << who maintains it?????
[13:25:48] <Mww113>	Sysops?
[13:26:28] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36603 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (17 files in 2 dirs): * Move scripts to scripts subdir
[13:27:25] <Fraifrai>	hello
[13:27:33] <^demon>	Mww113: Brion/Tim/any of the other bugzilla admins
[13:28:04] <Mww113>	^demon: How does one become a bugzilla admin?
[13:28:21] <Mww113>	Fraifrai: Hey
[13:29:24] <^demon>	Mww113: I dunno. Bug them? Unless you've been around for awhile and are generally trustworthy, I think the answer would be "no."
[13:29:55] <Mww113>	^demon: I wasn't asking to become one, I was asking out of curiosity :P
[13:30:32] <^demon>	The answer remains, dunno :-P
[13:31:15] <Mww113>	:P
[13:35:11] <gmc>	good appropriate-time-of-day-for-your-timezone all, i was wondering how to modify the toolbox menu in the left..?
[13:35:27] <bango>	hey gus, 
[13:35:27] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[13:35:27] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[13:35:30] <bango>	i just wanted to ask if there's some extention that displays a user's articles automatically on their user page
[13:36:13] <gmc>	tnx!
[13:36:19] <Splarka>	1183
[13:36:42] <flyingparchment>	sidebar doesn't affect the toolbox menu
[13:38:46] <Fraifrai>	is there an extension that allows to order articles in the categories?
[13:42:03] <Fraifrai>	is there an extension that allows to order articles in the categories?
[13:43:12] <bango>	mhm
[13:43:28] <Duesentrieb__>	Fraifrai: depends on what you mean by that. you can specify a sort key when categorizing a page
[13:43:45] <Duesentrieb__>	sorting entries live is not supported... it would require all to be on one page
[13:43:50] <bango>	http://www.homepage-forum.de/showthread.php?t=38590
[13:43:52] <Duesentrieb__>	tricky for large categories
[13:44:41] <bango>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SelectCategory
[13:44:54] <Fraifrai>	thx
[13:51:44] <edmont>	hi
[13:52:22] <edmont>	i am trying to upgrade from 1.10 to 1.12
[13:53:19] <edmont>	i've created a new database and imported the old one there
[13:53:23] <edmont>	then run the configuration wizard
[13:53:41] <edmont>	when i reach this stage: "There are already MediaWiki tables in this database. Checking if updates are needed..."
[13:53:53] <edmont>	it fails here:
[13:53:54] <edmont>	Adding wl_notificationtimestamp field for email notification management.Query "ALTER TABLE `watchlist` ADD (wl_notificationtimestamp varbinary(14)) " failed with error code "Table 'wiki.watchlist' doesn't exist (localhost)". 
[13:54:25] <edmont>	and no options to continue are given
[13:54:36] <edmont>	what should i do?
[13:55:47] <Mww113>	Hey edmont
[13:56:05] <Mww113>	are you upgrading to 1.12svn ?
[13:56:53] <edmont>	Mww113: no, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2008-March/000072.html
[13:57:33] <Mww113>	have you deleted your 1.10 files with the exception of images and extentions?
[13:57:45] <Mww113>	and replaced them with the 1.12 files?
[13:58:28] <edmont>	Mww113: no, i've backuped them, but not used yet
[13:59:00] <Mww113>	edmont: I dont understand what you are doing. Please explain the steps you have taken.
[13:59:01] <edmont>	i'm using all the new files
[13:59:05] <Mww113>	ok
[13:59:07] <edmont>	ok
[13:59:30] <Mww113>	delete the new extentions directory and images directory and replace them with your old ones
[13:59:39] <edmont>	ok
[13:59:47] <Mww113>	could you give me a link to your wiki?
[14:00:12] <edmont>	nop, sorry, it's an internal network
[14:01:10] <Mww113>	ok
[14:01:37] <Mww113>	are you using a unix based server?
[14:01:53] <edmont>	yes
[14:02:01] <edmont>	apache under ubuntu 8.04
[14:02:09] <Mww113>	do you have shell access?
[14:02:13] <edmont>	yes
[14:02:48] <edmont>	i am actually moving the wiki from a pc to another one
[14:03:18] <Mww113>	cd to your wikis directory/maintenance /
[14:03:34] <Mww113>	and execute php update.php
[14:03:34] <edmont>	done
[14:03:42] <Mww113>	php update.php
[14:05:25] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36604 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: Fixed handling of strings with regular quotation marks
[14:05:31] <Mww113>	did you run php update.php?
[14:05:42] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36605 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/README: New version: 0.2.3
[14:06:18] <edmont>	Mww113: yes:
[14:06:20] <edmont>	A copy of your installation's LocalSettings.php
[14:06:20] <edmont>	must exist and be readable in the source directory.
[14:06:31] <Mww113>	edmont: Did that resolve your error?
[14:09:56] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36606 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/ (8 files): * More cleanup
[14:12:01] <CIA-53>	03raymond * r36607 10/trunk/extensions/ (Collection/Collection.i18n.php Translate/groups/defines.txt): 
[14:12:01] <CIA-53>	* Remove localization of the special page name itself. It breaks the usage of the canonical name Special:Collection if the user language != English (like most extensions too)
[14:12:01] <CIA-53>	* Add the message name to the ignored list at Translatewiki
[14:16:18] <edmont>	Mww113: i've got the same error (more or less):
[14:16:20] <edmont>	MySQL devolvió el error "1146: Table 'wiki.watchlist' doesn't exist (localhost)".
[14:17:02] <Mww113>	what produces this error?
[14:17:59] <edmont>	Mww113: http://rafb.net/p/vlTgEA39.html
[14:18:18] <edmont>	sorry, some of the text is in spanish
[14:18:34] <Mww113>	No problemo
[14:19:06] <Mww113>	Have you ran the install script yet
[14:19:24] <Mww113>	www.yourhostname.com/yourwikisdirectory/install.php?
[14:19:35] <Mww113>	-?
[14:26:06] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36608 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateTasks.php: * Check database format changed, but forgot to update this place
[14:28:39] <Mww113>	anyone else notice this problem? [[bugzilla:14627]]
[14:33:01] <CIA-53>	03skizzerz * r36609 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/Linker.php): * add new hook LinkerMakeExternalImage to allow extensions to modify the HTML output of external images
[14:37:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:43:50] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36610 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:43:50] <CIA-53>	* Unbreak and clean up ffs
[14:43:50] <CIA-53>	* Handle trailing whitespace in Gettext
[14:43:50] <CIA-53>	* Fix check for number of cli arguments
[14:44:03] <CIA-53>	03jojo * r36611 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (5 files in 2 dirs): new license handling
[14:44:58] <Mww113>	edmont: PING
[14:45:06] <edmont>	Mww113: thanks, at the end i just used the same files without problems
[14:45:16] <Mww113>	so it is resolved?
[14:45:26] <edmont>	i dont need the upgrade by the moment
[14:45:37] <Mww113>	ok
[14:58:53] <scabbed>	hi, i tried modifying some language file and now my wiki dont show my articles, i only see <noarticletextanon>. I tried backup the original file but my wiki still dont work, someone can help me ?
[14:59:24] <scabbed>	on my main page, i have &lt;redirectpagesub&gt; 
[15:00:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (lar)
[15:04:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow Commons CheckUsers & bureaucrats to grant and revoke ipblock-exemption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14507  (10herbythyme)
[15:52:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10nicdumz)
[15:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10innocentkiller)
[15:54:53] <Zathraz>	hi. On mediawiki1.7 I had some troubles to add images to pages. Images are stored on /var/www/pics/screenshots/ however mediawiki does not displays them
[15:55:04] <Zathraz>	so the path is the issue I presume
[15:55:18] <Zathraz>	any thoughts on the subject please?
[16:00:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[16:19:06] <jb2>	hmm, is Wikia a fork of mediawiki?  It looks much nicer than the default install
[16:22:57] <MinuteElectron>	Wikia is a company.
[16:23:06] <jb2>	right
[16:23:19] <jb2>	so it seems all the alterations are in the Monaco skin
[16:23:27] <MinuteElectron>	probably
[16:23:35] <MinuteElectron>	And extensions, they have lots of extensions.
[16:23:54] <jb2>	and all of the new skins / extensions are proprietary?
[16:24:02] <Zathraz>	I moved my pics from /var/www/pics/* to /upload in /var/lib/mediawiki1.7 but still no images
[16:24:04] <jb2>	or open source?
[16:24:24] <MinuteElectron>	Some of them are proprietary, some are open source.
[16:24:37] <Zathraz>	format: [[Image:vmware_aanmelden.jpg]] is incorrect?
[16:24:52] <MinuteElectron>	The skins are generally proprietary, some of the extensions have been released.
[16:25:52] <jb2>	hmm i see... they'd be listed at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Extensions ?
[16:26:02] <MinuteElectron>	no...
[16:26:11] <MinuteElectron>	There isn't really a definitive list.
[16:26:27] <jb2>	odd
[16:26:38] <MinuteElectron>	Why would there be?
[16:28:12] <scabbed>	hello, someone here and can help me with my wiki pleaes
[16:28:14] <scabbed>	please
[16:28:15] <jb2>	well, wikis are good for collecting that sort of info :)
[16:28:37] <MinuteElectron>	!ask | scabbed 
[16:28:37] --mwbot--	scabbed: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:28:53] <Nikerabbit>	hi MinuteElectron 
[16:29:03] <scabbed>	my wiki dont show my article anymore, with debug i have this error
[16:29:04] <scabbed>	Notice: Undefined offset: 5 in /home/admin/lucid-state.org/community/languages/Language.php on line 2238
[16:29:15] <scabbed>	and 
[16:29:16] <scabbed>	Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/admin/lucid-state.org/community/LocalSettings.php:2) in /home/admin/lucid-state.org/community/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[16:29:25] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: hey
[16:29:51] <MinuteElectron>	scabbed: Did you change something? Upgrade MediaWiki etc.?
[16:30:08] <scabbed>	http://www.lucid-state.org/wiki
[16:30:22] <MinuteElectron>	That doesn't answer my question...
[16:30:23] <scabbed>	i tried modifying a sentence in a language file
[16:30:45] <MinuteElectron>	Don't do that, you shouldn't be touching any of the core files; you can edit messages via the MediaWiki: namespace.
[16:30:58] <scabbed>	but as i upload it my language went automatically to english (i'm using french)
[16:31:16] <scabbed>	i bring back my file like it was at the beginning and now nothing works :(
[16:31:26] <MinuteElectron>	That's odd...
[16:31:45] <scabbed>	i try reinstalling the wiki and same error :(
[16:34:52] <scabbed>	do you know how i can resolve that ? :(
[16:35:04] <Zathraz>	can someone please help me with my images problem?
[16:35:13] <balasyum>	Zathraz, don't ask to ask
[16:35:16] <balasyum>	state your question
[16:35:34] <Zathraz>	I have done so a couple of times above, but was being ignored
[16:36:04] <balasyum>	don't move them
[16:36:10] <balasyum>	import them with file upload link
[16:36:33] <balasyum>	Special:Upload
[16:37:43] <scabbed>	http://www.lucid-state.org/community/index.php?title=Accueil (you can see another error here)
[16:41:02] <Zathraz>	I use mediawiki1.7 on Debian (/var/lib/mediawiki1.7). I am now checking all upload settings but everythings seems ok untill now
[16:43:45] <Zathraz>	in which file is $wgFileExtensions defined please?
[16:47:39] <Zathraz>	k. should be in LocalSettings.php as I presumed but it is not there
[16:50:58] <Christoph_Knoth>	with whom do i have to sleep to get access to http://test.wikipedia.org to test a new skin (no its not only css) for the german wikipedia?
[16:51:14] <flyingparchment>	why would you need access to test for that?
[16:52:28] <Christoph_Knoth>	because that i can test it online
[16:52:43] <Christoph_Knoth>	that there is a place where other people can see and try it
[16:53:05] <flyingparchment>	and you can't find a place to host a wiki somewhere else?
[16:53:21] <flyingparchment>	it's rather unlikely you will get shell access to wikimedia servers just to demonstrate askin
[16:53:36] <Christoph_Knoth>	i was thinking about it, but why should it, when there is a official test wiki
[16:53:57] <Christoph_Knoth>	i mean it has to be put in the german wikipedia anyway
[16:54:00] <^demon>	The test wiki is for testing new code before it goes live, not for demo-ing a new skin.
[16:54:26] <Christoph_Knoth>	is it not new code, there is php in it O.o
[16:54:43] <OverlordQ>	then I'd really doubt they'd let you test it :)
[16:54:51] <flyingparchment>	you can sit here and argue this futilely, or you could go and find somewhere else to test it
[16:55:02] <Christoph_Knoth>	i mean, i dont have to put it in myself
[16:55:10] <Christoph_Knoth>	would be even better if some else checks it
[16:55:23] <^demon>	Christoph_Knoth: My suggestion is to test it personally, then submit it as a patch. 
[16:55:31] <CIA-53>	03minuteelectron * r36612 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/ (Babel.class.php Babel.css Babel.i18n.php Babel.php): 
[16:55:31] <CIA-53>	* Add support for a footer in the Babel tower.
[16:55:31] <CIA-53>	* Remove excess spaces from ISO file location definitions.
[16:55:31] <CIA-53>	* Translators: No new messages were added that need translating.
[16:55:34] <Christoph_Knoth>	ok, that sounds good
[16:55:51] <Christoph_Knoth>	then we will go this way
[16:57:04] <Christoph_Knoth>	when there would be this new skin (on that we are working on the moment) would have be applied to all mediawikis then?
[16:57:23] <Christoph_Knoth>	because patches are for the whole mediawiki-software arent they?
[17:02:20] <scabbed>	thats unbelievable, my wiki is working now, and it wasnt 10min ago, i DIDNT DO anything lol
[17:02:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10cbass)
[17:03:24] <Christoph_Knoth>	hm
[17:03:51] <^demon>	Christoph_Knoth: Yes
[17:03:58] <^demon>	scabbed: I guess congrats is in order?
[17:05:19] <Christoph_Knoth>	^demon: do you think it would have a chance then? would it be clever to translate the german discussions and findings about the skin to english, to give it a higher chance?
[17:06:29] <hippietrail>	i'd like the rss feeds to include the uncompressed sized of the compressed files somewhere
[17:06:34] <scabbed>	demon: i dont know but i'm happy its working again lol
[17:06:43] <^demon>	Christoph_Knoth: Dunno. I know modern was added fairly recently, but I'm unsure what the _official_ policy on "skins bundled with Mediawiki" is. In the configuration, it would be possible to load the skin only for dewiki, but that's a shell user call, not I.
[17:06:45] <hippietrail>	for the database dumps that is
[17:06:55] <^demon>	scabbed: Then congrats :-P
[17:07:39] <Christoph_Knoth>	thanks
[17:08:18] <scabbed>	:p
[17:09:55] <scabbed>	so know its working, someone can tell me how i can change the sentence in language without modifying the core files like messagesfr.php
[17:09:59] <scabbed>	now*
[17:10:34] <^demon>	scabbed: Go to [[MediaWiki:Message]] (where message is the name of the thing you want to translate) on your wiki and modify it there.
[17:10:40] <^demon>	You shouldn't ever need to tweak the lang files.
[17:11:10] <scabbed>	yes i have seen, i tried one time modifing and my wiki didnt worked any more :D
[17:11:10] <scabbed>	thx
[17:16:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Include uncompressed sizes in dump file RSS info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14631 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Downloads; (hippytrail)
[17:17:40] <scabbed>	ok its works demon, i have change one sentence :D
[17:17:49] <scabbed>	thanks for your help, have a nice day all
[17:17:50] <scabbed>	bye
[17:18:35] <^demon>	np. :-)
[17:29:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10Platonides)
[17:34:15] <CIA-53>	03yaron * r36613 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/articlepages/SMW_TypePage.php: Bug fix: added space between capital letter and "continued" text
[17:36:24] <AzaTht>	for the following query: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=allpages&gapnamespace=0&gapprefix=Foob&gaplimit=100&prop=cateogires|revisions&rvprop=size
[17:36:31] <AzaTht>	why does some have no size?
[17:37:07] <^demon>	AzaTht: The ones with no size don't exist?
[17:37:22] <AzaTht>	^demon: they clearly exists
[17:37:46] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foobies&action=history
[17:37:50] <AzaTht>	that one exists
[17:38:30] *^demon 	shrugs
[17:38:51] <AzaTht>	oh, is it that single revision pages that's only redirects have no official size?
[17:39:35] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foob&action=history
[17:39:45] <AzaTht>	as Foob has more than one rev, and it has size
[17:41:04] <AzaTht>	^demon: get roan here, asap
[17:41:32] <AzaTht>	why are you just standing there, go!
[17:41:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cascading protection doesn't work for custom user levels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14627  (10stevend811)
[17:41:48] <AzaTht>	I think he's down at the bar
[17:43:33] <^demon>	AzaTht: Am I his keeper?
[17:44:26] <AzaTht>	yes ツ
[17:44:26] *^demon 	goes and turns on the RoanSignal
[17:45:22] <AzaTht>	wrong signal
[17:45:26] <AzaTht>	roan, not siebrand 
[17:45:44] <^demon>	if ( !Roan::isActive() ) { AzaTht::setStatus('screwed'); }
[17:47:08] <^demon>	I apologize, it appears as though you're screwed, as Roan does not appear to be active.
[17:47:17] <AzaTht>	while( !Roan->isActive() ) { Demon->setActive( Roan ); fork; fork; fork }
[17:47:43] <AzaTht>	:-P
[17:48:36] <^demon>	die();
[17:58:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  +comment (10brian.mcneil)
[18:00:09] <CIA-53>	03minuteelectron * r36614 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryOnUpload/ (. CategoryOnUpload.i18n.php CategoryOnUpload.php): New extension CategoryOnUpload.
[18:06:27] *Splarka 	grumbles and pulls the drapes, damn Roan signal flashing day and night
[18:07:34] <^demon>	Splarka: Patches for the RoanSignal welcome ;-)
[18:08:09] <Splarka>	well, how about this
[18:08:19] <Splarka>	Aza's but -> INVALID
[18:08:41] <Splarka>	the reason a size isn't showing, is those pages have no recent revisions
[18:08:49] <Splarka>	as in, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar2k?action=history
[18:09:02] <Splarka>	last edit, 7 November 2005, before byte size was stored
[18:09:18] <Splarka>	er Aza's bug, heh
[18:10:07] *Splarka 	goes and unplugs the Roan signal, and gives AzaTht a cup of tea to calm down
[18:10:32] <Simetrical>	Splarka, well, we could newly calculate all the old byte sizes.
[18:10:38] <Splarka>	sure
[18:10:49] <Splarka>	"we" *could*
[18:11:00] <Splarka>	but there are better things to do, like rigor test API edit
[18:11:13] <Splarka>	and get me some clean socks
[18:12:19] <Splarka>	but still, hardly Roan's fault that the API is apparently broken in that respect, when it isn't
[18:12:38] <Splarka>	in fact, it is better to report no size, than to report an incorrect (zero?) size
[18:12:57] <jMCg>	You can blame the dirty socks on him.
[18:17:51] <Buzz_>	what;s wrong with the api edit ?
[18:18:09] <Buzz_>	i had no problems with it from what i tested so far
[18:19:43] <Splarka>	it might still have bugs and other problems, I suppose?
[18:20:41] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka?action=history  just a month ago it was possible to make people vandalize with a simple GET url ^_^
[18:21:03] <Splarka>	(no one noticed that there was no check to require edits be POSTed)
[18:27:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include uncompressed sizes in dump file RSS info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14631  (10brion)
[18:34:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  +comment (10cooties)
[19:06:48] <CIA-53>	03mkroetzsch * r36615 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/ (SMW_dumpRDF.php SMW_refreshData.php): added --server parameter to refresh script
[19:21:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  +comment (10jeffq)
[19:26:32] <NicDumZ>	mmm... I have looked a bit to that #14630, and I'm wondering what should be done, technically speaking. A new hook, in SpecialUserlogin::mailPassword maybe ? PasswordReset ?
[19:31:24] <^demon>	NicDumZ: A hook in mailPassword() would do it.
[19:32:37] <NicDumZ>	okay...
[19:35:51] <_JaVaSan>	Hi, what is the best way to post "source code" in MediaWiki?
[19:36:02] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36616 10/trunk/extensions/NoMoveUserpages/ (. NoMoveUserpages.i18n.php NoMoveUserpages.php): 
[19:36:02] <CIA-53>	I was bored today, so I wrote an extension to handle bug 14592 (and a
[19:36:02] <CIA-53>	long-standing request to disallow userpage moving). Introduces the
[19:36:02] <CIA-53>	'move-userpage' right for overriding (if you want to allow sysops, etc to move).
[19:36:04] <CIA-53>	Enjoy.
[19:36:04] <Splarka>	in core, <pre></pre>
[19:36:11] <Simetrical>	!geshi
[19:36:11] --mwbot--	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[19:36:41] <Splarka>	"post" != "hilight", but yah
[19:36:43] <Splarka>	^_^
[19:36:46] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:37:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hide confusing 'move'-tab on user page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14592  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:37:49] <_JaVaSan>	Simetrical, Splarka thank you guys
[19:43:50] <VasilievVV>	^demon: TitleBlacklist can do it with one entry :)
[19:47:09] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Did you read the first line in my commit? ;-)
[19:47:24] <VasilievVV>	:DDD
[19:47:29] <CIA-53>	03jeluf * r36617 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (. SlippyMap.php): SlippyMap extension by Harry Wood, GPL
[19:47:45] <VasilievVV>	I dream brion will be once in a such state
[19:51:26] <CIA-53>	03jeluf * r36618 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (SlippyMap.class.php SlippyMap.i18n.php SlippyMap.php): converted to current coding standards
[19:56:26] <CIA-53>	03jeluf * r36619 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: (log message trimmed)
[19:56:26] <CIA-53>	# load a static image for users without javascript.
[19:56:26] <CIA-53>	# add internationalization support by putting all messages into a message file.
[19:56:26] <CIA-53>	# speed up load time by postponing the loading of the parser (class autoload).
[19:56:26] <CIA-53>	# add a marker parameter to put a marker on the map.
[19:56:29] <CIA-53>	# show the PanZoom control on small maps, PanZoomBar on bigger ones.
[19:56:31] <CIA-53>	# added a button to reset the view.
[20:05:55] <Poundo>	I need clarification where in the normal directory structure is MediaWiki: any thing reason being I am attempting to do the following
[20:06:18] <Poundo>	"this script has to be copied to MediaWiki:Common.js"
[20:06:55] <Poundo>	I don't understand what the manpages is saying there where is MediaWiki:common.js
[20:07:00] <Simetrical>	Poundo, that's a wiki page.
[20:07:07] <Simetrical>	Type "MediaWiki:Common.js" into the search box.
[20:07:08] <Simetrical>	Edit.
[20:08:43] <Poundo>	Simetrical: Ok I'll bang on it and get back to you thanks!
[20:12:08] <Poundo>	So i added the script, saved it, made the changes to the toolbox by removing somethings... now what activity causes "addOnloadHook(CustomizeModificationsOfSidebar);" to be executed. 
[20:12:45] <Splarka>	in the page source at the end:
[20:12:47] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript">if (window.runOnloadHook) runOnloadHook();</script>
[20:13:04] <Splarka>	which runs that function, iterating over the addOnloadHook'd functions
[20:13:17] <Splarka>	(defined in skins/common/wikibits.js)
[20:13:39] <Splarka>	this is more stable than trying to share body.onload with every browser
[20:14:19] <AlexSm>	Splarka: by the way, what prefs.js on testwiki is for?
[20:14:34] <AlexSm>	oops, wrong channel, never mind
[20:15:59] <capt_rogers>	mediawiki rocks...does everyone know that?
[20:17:08] <alnokta3>	no 
[20:17:09] <Splarka>	[citation needed]
[20:18:01] <Poundo>	Splarka: was that for me? "<script type="text/javascript">if (window.runOnloadHook) runOnloadHook();</script>"
[20:18:11] <Splarka>	yes, that is how it is done
[20:18:33] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook adds to the onloadFuncts array
[20:18:55] <Splarka>	runOnloadHook() iterates over that array and runs them
[20:19:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10nicdumz)
[20:19:21] <Poundo>	Splarka: so the page source you reffer to is what? Main_Page?
[20:19:23] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36620 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Message.php ffs/Xliff.php): * Two bug fixes
[20:19:36] <Splarka>	every page generated by mediawiki 
[20:19:50] <Splarka>	just before </body>
[20:20:22] <Splarka>	(and the functions are in wikibits.js, loaded in the <head> as a <script>
[20:20:42] <Poundo>	Splarka; Ok so I don't add it it'a laready there. Well i must have done something wrong since my tooolbox hasn't changed?
[20:20:56] <Splarka>	did you purge your browser cache? check your JS error console?
[20:21:32] <Poundo>	Splarka: yep I think so I reloaded the browser and tried IE and Firefox
[20:22:05] <Poundo>	I must have scrwed up the Common.js edit?
[20:22:26] <Splarka>	link to (or pastebin the contents of) your common.js ?
[20:24:26] <Poundo>	Splarka: will do!
[20:24:36] <jb2>	"Starting with MediaWiki 1.2.0, it's possible to install
[20:24:36] <jb2>	and configure the wiki "in-place" "   ............ but 1.12 is the latest version
[20:25:00] <flyingparchment>	jb2: the text you pasted doesn't say 1.12 isn't latest... what about it?
[20:25:24] <jb2>	well, I downloaded 1.12, and that's what it says in the install file
[20:25:28] <flyingparchment>	yes
[20:25:39] <flyingparchment>	this feature has been supported since 1.2.0, so that's what it says
[20:25:53] <jb2>	Is 1.2 and earlier version than 1.12?
[20:25:57] <jb2>	*an
[20:26:04] <flyingparchment>	yes
[20:26:09] <jb2>	ok
[20:27:57] <Poundo>	Splarka: If you could reach my MediaWiki:Common.js you would see this http://rafb.net/p/1tYsp266.html 
[20:28:19] <CIA-53>	03raymond * r36621 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (SlippyMap.class.php SlippyMap.i18n.php SlippyMap.php): 
[20:28:19] <CIA-53>	* Localisation updates German
[20:28:19] <CIA-53>	* Fix typos in English messages
[20:28:19] <CIA-53>	* Add svn info in Extension credits
[20:28:19] <CIA-53>	* SVN keywords.
[20:28:48] <Splarka>	Poundo: what version of mediawiki do you have?
[20:29:41] <Splarka>	(looks fine at first glance, waits for onload before modifying DOM)
[20:30:46] <Poundo>	Splarka: opps I think I just found it but Version is 1.10
[20:31:04] <Splarka>	right, that should be fine in 1.10
[20:31:25] <Splarka>	(without actually testing it... be sure to check your error console though)
[20:31:49] <CIA-53>	03raymond * r36622 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German
[20:34:11] <Sadr>	Q: Has MediaWiki ever gone through a complete code-rewrite?
[20:34:19] <MinuteElectron>	Sadr: no
[20:34:40] <MinuteElectron>	bits have been rewritten here and there, but never all fo it, at once
[20:34:54] <Sadr>	okay, thanks
[20:35:03] <jb2>	does it need  one?
[20:35:08] <MinuteElectron>	no
[20:35:25] <Sadr>	why can you say that with such certainty?
[20:35:54] <MinuteElectron>	it has been discussed before
[20:35:56] <Sadr>	among the softwares I've seen that have had a complete rewrite, it seems to have greatly improved their code-structure
[20:36:12] <Sadr>	and what where the arguments for/against?
[20:36:50] <alnokta3>	i have read that complete rewrites seldom successeded
[20:37:09] <Simetrical>	Sadr, yes, there used to be phase1 and phase2.
[20:37:24] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki is itself a rewrite.
[20:37:28] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: But it was not called MediaWiki before then?
[20:37:33] <Simetrical>	No, probably its wasn't.
[20:37:46] <Simetrical>	Anyway, rewrites are extremely disruptive.  People can feel free to do them on a case-by-case basis, and they do.
[20:37:57] <Sadr>	well anyhow
[20:38:00] <Simetrical>	But changing everything at once just stops all progress for however long it takes.
[20:38:23] <Sadr>	the reason I ask is because I feel like MW could use a bit more flexibility and ease of us
[20:38:33] <Sadr>	especially in terms of templates/themes
[20:38:40] <MinuteElectron>	then the bits where you feel this is needed can be changed
[20:38:46] <MinuteElectron>	neither of them need a complete rewrite
[20:39:23] <flyingparchment>	if we ever did a rewrite, it would be to move to a language that isn't php
[20:39:33] <Simetrical>	Agreed.
[20:39:36] <MinuteElectron>	indeed
[20:40:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add new toolserver URL to $wgCaptchaWhitelist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14632 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mrzmanwiki)
[20:42:17] <Christoph_Knoth>	sadr: the structure of the site needs a redesign for sure
[20:42:40] <Christoph_Knoth>	for example the toolbox on the left doesnt make sense at all
[20:42:49] <Christoph_Knoth>	there is stuff in it that has to do with the article
[20:42:51] <Christoph_Knoth>	others doesnt
[20:42:55] <flyingparchment>	changing the design of the skin is nothing to do with rewriting the software
[20:43:01] <flyingparchment>	adding new skins is easy
[20:43:07] <Sadr>	well
[20:43:11] <Sadr>	the way I see it
[20:43:26] <Sadr>	it's not that easy to make a MediwWiki NOT look like a mediawiki...
[20:43:49] <MinuteElectron>	that can be fixed without a rewrite
[20:43:52] <Simetrical>	Of course it is.
[20:43:58] <Simetrical>	You just have to ditch Monobook.
[20:44:07] <Christoph_Knoth>	flyingparchment: a new skin is easy, but when you want to change the toolbox or the navigation, it doesnt work that easy with the skin-system that is there at the moment
[20:44:08] <Poundo>	Splarka: I am assuming my blindly copying "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Specialpages" as the link to my site is probably wrong... Correct?
[20:44:13] <MinuteElectron>	yes, i agree the skinning system could be improved substantially - but that does not constitute a total rewrite.
[20:44:23] <Simetrical>	Christoph_Knoth, well, you have to hack the code, yeah.
[20:44:27] <flyingparchment>	Christoph_Knoth: changing the toolbox doesn't require a rewrite either
[20:44:27] <Sadr>	wouldn't you say a rewrite could result in better and cleaner code, considering all the lessons learned while writing the old code?..
[20:44:46] <flyingparchment>	Sadr: we do incremental refactoring to resolve bad design
[20:45:03] <Christoph_Knoth>	flyingparchment: no, i dont want a rewrite at all, just bothering with this skin-system
[20:45:27] <Sadr>	but do you disagree with my statement above?
[20:45:48] <Simetrical>	Sadr, it could also introduce mounds of new horrible stuff.
[20:45:48] <flyingparchment>	i have no opinion, except to say that we're not going to rewrite mediawiki
[20:45:52] <Simetrical>	And set back development ages.
[20:45:54] <Poundo>	Splarka: but if my site is www.myWiki.com what should the link be www.mywiki.com/Special:SpecialPages or www.myWiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Specialpages
[20:45:57] <flyingparchment>	(unless, like i said, it's to redo it in another language)
[20:46:23] <Sadr>	okay I see
[20:46:27] <Simetrical>	Rewrites of individual components are fine, of course.
[20:46:30] <Simetrical>	Those happen periodically.
[20:47:12] <Sadr>	still wish MW would start picking up more AJAX though ;)
[20:47:41] <Sadr>	a lot of tedious tasks about it that should/could be made a whole lot easier
[20:47:42] <Christoph_Knoth>	omg no
[20:47:58] <Splarka>	Poundo: sec
[20:48:26] <Christoph_Knoth>	there are still so many accessibility problems and ajax would make it worse
[20:48:41] <MinuteElectron>	Christoph_Knoth: Why do you object, the conventional methods would always still be maintained; you cannot say AJAX would make it worse.
[20:48:55] <alnokta3>	MinuteElectron, all electrons are of same size.
[20:48:56] <MinuteElectron>	How does it affect accessibiliity?
[20:49:37] <Simetrical>	alnokta3, well, they have no size, really.  They're point particles.
[20:49:41] <Poundo>	Splarkla: NP thanks for ahnd holding that was the problem proper syntax is www.myWiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Specialpages that did it. Thanks!
[20:49:42] <Simetrical>	But all indistinguishable, yeah.
[20:50:00] <Splarka>	k
[20:50:14] <Dashiva>	MinuteElectron: It's very easy to make a new method and never make an equivalent method for conventional access
[20:50:29] <alnokta3>	Simetrical, so "minuteelectron" doesn't make much sense
[20:50:34] <MinuteElectron>	Dashiva: Ok, but a new method written entirely in AJAX won't make sense.
[20:50:41] <MinuteElectron>	alnokta3: Maybe its not meant to make sense?
[20:51:10] <Christoph_Knoth>	MinuteElectron: before we go ajax, there are others problems that have to be solved
[20:51:16] <Christoph_Knoth>	i made a little pdf a while ago
[20:51:20] <Christoph_Knoth>	one moment i upload it
[20:51:22] <alnokta3>	MinuteElectron, but why? something like excitedelectron would be better :P
[20:51:43] <Dashiva>	MinuteElectron: I won't talk about sense, but it happens all the time. If you want to see it out of control, just drop by wikia
[20:52:16] <Simetrical>	alnokta3, oh, you're a chemist or something, aren't you?  :P
[20:53:01] <MinuteElectron>	Christoph_Knoth: Sure, maybe there are other problems that need to be solved; but AJAX won't hinder then and you can get volunteers to code what you want them to, if someone wants to do AJAX they can.
[20:53:53] <alnokta3>	Simetrical, yes (undergrad.)
[20:53:53] <Christoph_Knoth>	http://knothen.de/wikipedia/wikiredesign_page_12-18.pdf (sorry for the pdf, was part of an offline-presentation ;)
[20:54:09] <Christoph_Knoth>	MinuteElectron: right
[20:54:24] <Christoph_Knoth>	but maybe i can volunteers make to code something more useful ;)
[20:54:48] <MinuteElectron>	Dashiva: Wikia, maybe; but MediaWiki itself has a lot more stringent QA - and AJAX features usually don't get enabled straight away (given their possible performance overheads) so an alternative will certaintly be developed.
[20:55:15] <flyingparchment>	more stringent QA = brion, commit nazi
[20:55:17] <MinuteElectron>	Christoph_Knoth: You can try, but inevitably volunteers will code what they want to; you are free to fix the problems yourself, however. :)
[20:56:03] <alnokta3>	thats sad truth electron
[20:56:27] <Christoph_Knoth>	i am already tryin :)
[20:56:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) {{LANGUAGE}} variable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14633 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (i.am.putnik)
[20:57:06] <Christoph_Knoth>	offline it runs a bit like shown in the pdf, but still not finished
[20:57:12] <Christoph_Knoth>	in my offline wiki
[20:57:38] <Christoph_Knoth>	because there are too big problems with the software, that i cant solve
[20:57:39] <MinuteElectron>	Christoph_Knoth: I see your point in your pdf, that skin at the bottom looks quite attractive.
[20:57:51] <Christoph_Knoth>	thanks (still german only)
[20:58:04] <MinuteElectron>	Is this the one you were discussing earlier?
[20:58:17] <Christoph_Knoth>	ja this is the one we developed in the german wikipedia
[20:58:25] <CIA-53>	03greg * r36623 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php: Add some quick no-ops for the new lock() and unlock() funcs.
[20:58:38] *MinuteElectron 	looks forward to seeing it be released. ;)
[20:58:43] <Christoph_Knoth>	somewhere here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Skinbastler (screenshot shows an old version)
[20:58:46] *alnokta3 	++
[20:59:11] <Christoph_Knoth>	i give my best, hope for all your support :>
[20:59:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) {{LANGUAGE}} variable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14633  +comment (10i.am.putnik)
[20:59:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Variable {{USERIFCODE}} (user interface language code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2085  +comment (10i.am.putnik)
[21:00:23] <Christoph_Knoth>	we started with java only, but this doesnt make much sense for a broder audience
[21:03:06] <Hawson>	How does MW determine the mime type of an uploaded file?  
[21:03:19] <Hawson>	It's complaining about a .png file that it thinks is plain/text
[21:07:11] <Charitwo>	someone shot the sheriff
[21:07:34] <nakon>	I knew someone was going to make a crack like that...
[21:07:56] <nakon>	:p
[21:08:02] <Christoph_Knoth>	but MinuteElectron: the problem is, someone told me today i should put as a patch for the mediawiki software, but when i shuffle around the navigation and stuff so much, it will only work in one language
[21:08:23] <flyingparchment>	why would it only work in one language?
[21:08:33] <MinuteElectron>	Christoph_Knoth: How comes, surely you can use the wfMsg functions to allow localisation?
[21:08:49] <Christoph_Knoth>	ok, did not know about that
[21:09:05] <Christoph_Knoth>	i am pretty new with looking behind the curtain in wikipedia :>
[21:09:36] <Sundance_Raphael>	cu
[21:10:42] <Christoph_Knoth>	but for example the navigation comes from here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
[21:10:58] <Christoph_Knoth>	when i want to change this, i had to change this site
[21:11:04] <Christoph_Knoth>	what has nothing to do with my skin
[21:11:30] <Christoph_Knoth>	and i cant write a localisation for every language ;)
[21:11:43] <MinuteElectron>	sure, but you can just ignore that - if users want to change it they can
[21:13:06] <Christoph_Knoth>	so i just do it for german and english (then it has to be tested anyway) and then (when someone likes it) they can come up with something to use it for every language?
[21:13:35] <MinuteElectron>	You can just leave it; the sidebar isn't important and most wikis just change it anyway.
[21:14:53] <Christoph_Knoth>	but thats my whole point, it cant be changed when i put in the new one or it had to be changed in the skin
[21:15:29] <MinuteElectron>	Why does the sidebar matter? Your sidebar will only apply to the German Wikipedia since every other wiki will want to change it one way or another.
[21:16:56] <Christoph_Knoth>	ok true
[21:17:15] <Christoph_Knoth>	thanks for pointing that out to me :>
[21:17:29] <Christoph_Knoth>	makes me struggle less with that thing
[21:17:48] <MinuteElectron>	=]
[21:18:51] <Christoph_Knoth>	bye for today
[21:19:40] <MinuteElectron>	goodbye
[21:25:53] <Schiz0|SD>	Hey, what would be better to use as a cache: Memcached, or X-Cache?
[21:26:08] <flyingparchment>	only use memcached if you have multiple web servers
[21:26:50] <Schiz0|SD>	I don't...but I do use both memcacehd and xcache for my normal website (it's a forum-based type site, with a wiki on the side)
[21:26:56] <Schiz0|SD>	so I have both available to use
[21:27:00] <flyingparchment>	then don't use memcached
[21:27:09] <Schiz0|SD>	alrighty. Thanks.
[21:28:15] <Schiz0|SD>	Is memcached slower than xcache then?
[21:28:43] <Schiz0|SD>	I know they cache in different ways, but for mediawiki's purposes
[21:28:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Displaying current range blocks on Special:BlockIP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14634 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (allen3-wiki)
[21:33:51] <Simetrical>	Schiz0|SD, if memcached has to go to a different server over the network to retrieve the variables, then yes, of course it's slower.
[21:33:56] <Simetrical>	XCache is single-server only.
[21:34:09] <Schiz0|SD>	well, I'm running memcached on localhost in this case
[21:34:16] <Simetrical>	Seems kind of silly.
[21:34:17] <flyingparchment>	it's probably also slower on localhost than a shared memory cache
[21:34:23] <Simetrical>	You may as well use XCache or something.
[21:34:27] <flyingparchment>	although if you're using mediawiki... that's not going to be the main bottleneck ;)
[21:59:24] <Xiong>	ook
[22:10:08] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36624 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[22:10:08] <CIA-53>	* add support for CategoryOnUpload, NoMoveUserpages, and SlippyMap to Translate
[22:10:08] <CIA-53>	* minor updates to i18n files for standardisation purposes
[22:12:35] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36625 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/defines.txt: Add 'babel-footer' to ignored.
[22:14:08] <CIA-53>	03siebrand * r36626 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/defines.txt: Ignore 2 messages for SlippyMap localisation
[22:18:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Images listed in database have missing files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14635 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (overlordq)
[22:49:28] <MostafaDaneshvar>	what is the usage of classes  in languages/classes directory?
[23:01:05] *MostafaDaneshvar 	is away: Gone away for now.
[23:07:50] <Charitwo>	MostafaDaneshvar: please turn off public away notices
[23:30:42] <_JaVaSan>	Is it possible to change the name of a page or I'll have to create another one with the same content?
[23:31:36] <linxeh>	rename it 
[23:31:40] <linxeh>	ie "move"
[23:32:55] <_JaVaSan>	linxeh, thank you
[23:36:30] <linxeh>	:)
[23:41:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internal error when trying to flag version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14579  (10tim)
[23:44:39] <NicDumZ>	hi TimStarling ! Are you available ? :)
[23:46:33] <TimStarling>	kind of
[23:47:33] <NicDumZ>	ah, only for non-annoying issues then. :p I was wondering if you found the time to look at that little extension I wrote
[23:48:14] <TimStarling>	which one was that again?
[23:48:44] <NicDumZ>	:) sent you a mail a few days ago, PromotedInterlanguages
[23:49:21] <NicDumZ>	to get rid of those javascript hacks used to display that simple start next to interlang links.
[23:49:35] <TimStarling>	right...
[23:49:58] <TimStarling>	I thought it was probably better than what we have now, but not quite ideal
[23:50:05] <TimStarling>	since you still have to add those tags to the article
[23:50:11] <TimStarling>	in every language
[23:50:51] <NicDumZ>	yes
[23:51:14] <TimStarling>	if you had a single shared table listing featured articles across all languages, that could be updated by including a parser function in the actual featured article, then used it to display the stars, that would be pretty cool
[23:51:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blocking/Permissions Rewrite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14636 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (innocentkiller)
[23:52:55] <NicDumZ>	mm.... I'm afraid of *how* the "do I have to display a star next to that specific interwiki link" property will get retrieved...
[23:53:52] <NicDumZ>	but that would be better, obviously.
[23:55:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enhanced expanded watchlist shows irritating "unsighted" symbols - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14637 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (tim)