[00:11:01] 03(mod) Separate link text from page header in MediaWiki:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13449 (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [00:14:43] 14(INVALID) Missing side-scrolling for long string in narrow floating box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14667 +comment (10danny.b) [00:16:55] 03(mod) Special: ExpandTemplates choke on unselecting removal of comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14668 (10danny.b) [00:48:53] $wgMaxUploadSize = 1024*1024*100; # 100MB, means that 100mb image files are allowed, by default? [00:50:28] yes, but only via copying from the Web [00:50:49] the max upload size is also limited by php memory limits (see php.ini) and apache POST limits [00:51:44] the default is still 2 megs in php probably [00:52:00] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Set_maximum_size_for_file_uploads [00:52:06] *Splarka points tekmosis to that ^ [00:52:14] ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. I've set php's limit to 30mb but that's because of a multi image upload extension. I'll have to lower $wgMaxUploadSize then [01:11:55] 03(FIXED) Passwords should be checked for strength before being set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3348 +comment (10tylerromeo) [01:14:49] 03(mod) Patch: SSL client certificate authentication - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3729 +comment (10tylerromeo) [01:23:00] 03(mod) Password throttling please? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12370 (10tylerromeo) [01:23:07] 03(mod) Send notification to account owner on multiple unsuccessful login attempts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9838 (10tylerromeo) [01:45:31] 03(NEW) article "neighborhoods" might be very helpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14669 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (goffster) [02:02:55] Would someone who knows Semantic Calendar extension check my calendar? http://rrhs.guynes.net/wiki/index.php?title=Semantic_Calendar&month=6&year=2008 [02:03:15] I'm not sure I have setup the calendar and one event correctly. [02:16:57] 03(mod) Password throttling please? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12370 (10tylerromeo) [02:42:16] how do i exclud a parameter in a meta template [02:55:01] nolhay: numeric or named parameter? [02:56:26] named [02:57:15] Splarka, named [02:57:44] then just don't pass them, or do you mean, how do you get them to not show up as {{{whatever}}} in rendering? [02:58:02] yes!!! :-) [02:58:02] you can use fallbacks, like {{{whatever|}}} which will shows as: [02:58:07] {{foo|whatever=whatever}}: whatever [02:58:13] {{foo|whatever=}}: [02:58:16] {{foo}}: [02:58:32] or content fallbacks {{{whatever|text shown if whatever is undefined}}} [02:59:10] if you need to put optional content *outside* these parameters, then you can use the ParserFunctions extension: [02:59:28] {{#if:{{{whatever|}}}| text if {{{whatever}}} isn't null | text if it is null }} [03:00:37] Hello - is this the media wiki discussion area? [03:01:46] I have a few questions on it, and one fix to a problem I encountered. [03:02:29] !ask [03:02:29] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [03:02:54] Ok, what are the accepted channels for submitting bug fixes / code revisions? [03:03:22] !bugzilla [03:03:22] --mwbot-- All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate. [03:04:28] So complete file changes can be submitted there then? I do a lot of code work myself and know it's a pain to constantly hear - fix this, fix that, and never get any help :( [03:05:06] Splarka, ok so using a fallback renders an extra blank line is there any way i can get rid of that blank line [03:05:44] Michael_M: here is a good place to discuss it (sometimes) before submitting bugs [03:06:01] especailly to find out of the bug is already open, or has been sumitted and closed [03:06:20] nolhay: are you using a table? [03:06:23] like there has to be an If function to determine wether a paramater needs a newline [03:06:33] im using
[03:06:47] http://wiki.stnylug.interos.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Meeting&action=edit [03:07:15] click on the top left to see it in action on the mainpage [03:07:20] That's what I was hoping. You see, I'm integrating Media Wiki with another framework that has an autoloader of it's own. To get it to work with Media Wiki I had to rewrite file /includes/Autoload.php to employ the function spl_autoload_register() [03:07:59] That function is PHP 5.2+, so I must use function_exists() to check for it first and if not present define __autoload the old way for backwards compatibility. [03:08:16] However, my own framework requires PHP 5.2 at minimum so this isn't a problem for it. [03:08:19] well, if you want conditional
then yes, you probably need #if [03:08:56] {{#if:{{{opt1|}}}|{{{opt1}}}
}}{{#if:{{{opt2|}}}|{{{opt2}}}
}}{{#if:{{{opt3|}}}|{{{opt3}}}
}} [03:09:16] you can split it on multiple lines with html comments: [03:09:17] The goal of the change is to make MediaWiki more interoperable with other PHP packages - a floodgate sure to come into its own when PHP 5.3 hits final. [03:09:21] {{#if:{{{opt1|}}}|{{{opt1}}}
}}{{#if:{{{opt2|}}}|{{{opt2}}}
}} [03:09:31] you'll notice of course, that template wikicode becomes quickly insanely unreadable [03:10:03] like when you get 450 }}} in a row [03:10:18] 0_o [03:10:36] yeah any suggestions on an easier way to set that up [03:13:24] Anyway, I've completed the change necessary and tested it against PHP 5.1 and 5.2 and it works in both. [03:15:39] nolhay: an exmaple of esotericism: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Chembox_Hazards&action=edit [03:15:56] (that also calls 14 subtemplates) [03:17:13] Michael_M: 3 bug results for 'autoloader': https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=autoloader&long_desc_type=substring&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED [03:19:01] probably you should open a new bug with a proposed patch (unified diff against trunk etc etc) of minimal impact and try to rouse discussion/interest about it [03:26:57] On bugzilla, if I upload the corrected php file should I mark that as a patch? [03:27:05] Or is that a special format?? [03:27:41] Splarka> None of those bugs affect what I'm correcting. [03:28:19] k, then you can probably open a new one ^_^ [03:28:38] {{#ifexist:{{{Info}}}
}} [03:28:40] (and you just upload a unified diff, or something) [03:28:58] thats the wrong syntax but thats llike qwhsat i want [03:29:02] #ifexist checks existence of pages [03:29:07] oh [03:29:18] #if checks if a string is null [03:29:37] so i need to change it to if and im golden? [03:29:37] {{{Info}}} will not be null unless passed as {{foo|Info=}} [03:30:01] you want {{#if:{{{Info|}}}|{{{Info}}}
}} [03:30:09] 03(NEW) Autoload conflicts with other PHP packages in memory that also autoload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14670 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dmgx.michael) [03:30:32] Ok, here... https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14670 [03:30:33] {{{Info|}}} will return false on #if, because if Info= is not defined, the pipe in the name with nothing after it indicates a fallback of nothing [03:30:36] I think I did that right. [03:32:20] 03(mod) Autoload conflicts with other PHP packages in memory that also autoload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14670 (10dmgx.michael) [03:33:53] Yeah, that's the one. [03:35:10] hi everyone! about new features , trac can built local svn ,mediawiki also can do this? because boinc wiki use trac,don't use mediawiki it"s that difference? thanks [03:35:40] Now onto my other problem - authenticating wiki off of vbulletin user tables instead of it's own. [03:39:11] now mediawiki 's bug support not better than trac .it's that true? [03:40:54] Michael_M: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VBulletin/Users_Integration [03:41:46] might be out of date [03:41:49] Well, that gives some clues on where to start, but both MediaWiki and vBulletin have changed several versions since that extension.. [03:41:52] also see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:User_identity_extensions [03:42:00] vbulletin is now 3.7.2 and MediaWiki is 1.12 [03:42:41] and: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VBulletin_Users_Integration [03:42:43] I know vbulletin's structure like the back of my hand, but I haven't worked with Wiki before. Still, PHP is PHP yknow. [03:43:17] I'm familar with nuhit.com's bridge. [03:43:21] It is out of date as well. [03:43:36] The coder who made it hasn't been seen on vbulletin.org in over a year. [03:44:13] vbulletin recently significantly hardened their userauth routines for 3.7 [03:44:26] So getting around that promises to be "lots of fun :) " [03:44:50] Splarka: Is there any particular reason MediaWiki doesn't encode parentheses? [03:44:57] nuhit's bridge works up to vb 3.6 and MediaWiki 1.11 [03:44:59] Is it an RFC standard or something? Do you know? [03:45:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsinoe_%28mythology%29 [03:45:30] WFM MZM [03:45:40] Arsinoe (mythology) [03:45:50] I mean, in the URL bar. [03:45:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsinoe_(mythology) [03:46:06] IRC clients and e-mail clients truncate URLs like that. [03:46:08] still WFM [03:46:10] It's rather annoying. [03:46:16] Hmm. [03:46:20] I clicked the above link, I am at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsinoe_%28mythology%29 [03:46:26] where did *you* see that link? [03:46:35] In general I want to wholly disable wiki user creation and management - wiki would simply auth off of vbulletin's table. Looking at the links you gave me now. [03:46:36] Splarka, THANK YOU THATS PERFECT [03:46:51] more annoying is stupid IRC clients truncate at !, ., ?, etc, all valid URL components [03:47:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/! [03:47:09] Indeed. [03:47:17] It truncates that as well. [03:47:27] I think it would be nice if MW could do a check of some sort. [03:47:33] how? [03:47:38] it would just see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ for that [03:47:43] it is not MW's fault one bit, blame IRC clients [03:47:45] Yes, for that it wouldn't work. [03:47:53] ? is blocked by most IRC clients because of script kiddies. [03:47:53] But for open parentheses that don't close. [03:48:13] I never click URLs in IRC anyways, I always, 100% of the time, copy paste [03:48:17] There are a lot of redirects created by what I assume is bad e-mail clients, etc. [03:48:21] (I also have clicking disabled) [03:48:40] but then I might be odd, I type URLs in MW faster than I can click them [03:48:55] hmm [03:49:47] I heard Splarka is actually a monkey at a typewriter [03:49:56] Thank you Splarka> I'm going to bookmark these pages and study more in detail on Sunday. I'm too tired to launch a major code project at the moment. [03:50:03] So, if it tried http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsinoe_(mythology , saw that no page existed, and then did a quick check with the extra parentheses, is something like that feasible? [03:50:28] if you do hit any sort of title rewrite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Arsinoe_(mythology) or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/arsinoe_(mythology) etc it will redirect you to the encoded page [03:50:28] my client blocks (, ), <, and > [03:50:39] 03(NEW) A Wikipedia page modified seven months after " Last Modified" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14671 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (tm122464) [03:50:51] Skizzers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/. work for you? [03:51:02] not the one ending in . [03:51:07] first does though [03:51:09] Charitwo: Infinite monken [03:51:26] MZM: can be fixed on site [03:51:33] On site? [03:51:35] anyway, g2g [03:51:43] add [[Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}|search for this partial title]] [03:51:47] to Noarticletext [03:52:06] It would be nicer to have an automatic redirect. :) [03:52:11] could even possibly {{Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}}} [03:52:23] no, it would be more convenient, not "nicer" [03:52:37] it would be meaner to those that don't want to be redirected thusly [03:54:03] Can you imagine a scenario like that? [03:54:19] That is, MW already does some funky redirection anyway. No reason to not add convenience. [03:54:27] yes, I can [03:54:46] Does it have a high likelihood of ever happening? [03:54:55] Without an infinite number of monkeys... [03:55:00] "hmm, I want to create a page titled Foo" "ahh, but I found Foo. and will take you there, hahaha" "Fuck you mediawiki!" [03:55:12] for people that like to type in page titles in the URL bar [03:55:17] it will be *annoying* [03:55:25] and if it were a 302 redirect, it would be very annoying [03:55:44] But I'm talking about a page titled "Foo (bar". [03:55:45] plus expensive to do a prefixindex each missing page load [03:56:03] so, what, it would only check for unclosed parentheses? [03:56:29] Yes. [03:56:42] The other things would have too many false positives, I would think. [03:56:53] It's a quirky feature request, I realize. [03:57:04] and []{}""���� ? [03:57:12] and the zillion unicode paired characters? [03:57:13] ! [03:57:22] *Splarka grins [03:57:25] []{} are never allowed in page titles! [03:57:26] feature creep [03:57:31] Oh, nonsense. [03:57:46] suure, that's what you say [03:57:55] but just watch, you just get (, and someone'll come along and say, "but quotes!" [03:58:13] Well... does anyone ever open quotes and not close them? [03:58:16] :) [03:58:49] Making web content more accessible is not feature creep. [03:59:02] ... [03:59:08] feature creep is itself [03:59:15] Think of the children. [03:59:22] making web content more accessible in the way you describe will leave the feature OPEN to creep [03:59:39] it'll end up like the shit with link trails [03:59:44] *Splarka grins at Dantman [03:59:51] Heh. [03:59:51] and then each language will need a variant [03:59:55] and it'll be a headache [04:00:05] so srsly, WONTFIX is the best answer [04:00:08] So instead, people should simply not find the content they were linked to? [04:00:15] :/ [04:00:31] think of the servers! [04:00:42] well, if they can't find it, they wern't linked to it [04:00:50] by the fault of their IRC client or the paster [04:01:00] Or the e-mail client. [04:01:12] what you should do, is ask for mediawiki to rewrite-normalize punctuation [04:01:16] in the same way it does to spacesa [04:01:19] -a [04:01:28] Well, that was my original question! [04:01:41] Is there any reason it doesn't right now? [04:01:42] so that you *can't* go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsinoe_(mythology) without it being rewritten http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsinoe_%28mythology%29 [04:01:48] *Splarka shrugs [04:02:03] because () is valid RFC url syntax and IRC clients that don't follow it are stupid? [04:02:27] Visit my blog (http://blog.fooo.bar). [04:02:38] no thanks [04:02:40] Seems reasonable to me. :/ [04:02:43] paste the URL to your blog better [04:02:50] space delimiters seem reasonable to me [04:02:56] or in rare cases <> [04:03:14] Visit my blog ----> http://blog.foo.bar <----- [04:03:20] Heh. [04:03:49] if the ICANN HAZ ANY TLD passes, you can have .bar [04:04:12] Foobar! [04:04:53] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fo [04:05:17] seems perfectly reasonable to me [04:05:49] *MZMcBride stares. [04:05:58] if you came here from an IRC link, your IRC client might suck huge donkey kong. Please click [[Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}|here]] to find the page you were linked to. [04:06:09] *Splarka grins [04:06:26] Hmmm, flying quickly around your conversation, also take note that different IRC clients will highlight URLs in different manners. [04:06:41] *MZMcBride frowns. [04:06:49] can't support em all [04:06:54] especially when some are contradictory [04:07:29] I use XChat, irssi, mIRC, sometimes Konversation, and each of them has a different manner to highlight URLs. Only irssi - afaik - can change its behaviour trough scripts. [04:07:48] (which are not bug-free anyway) [04:09:09] And to make it more complex, think that an "é" letter is rewrote like %CEsomething, and %C means Color Code for XChat - so sometimes one pastes a Wikipedia URL with "é" letters in it and you get a colored link, pointing to no valid article :) [04:09:11] mirc can [04:09:26] skiidoo: you should make a list of all trailing punctuation and unicode that is: allowed in mediawiki page titles without a 302 rewrite, allowed in mediawiki page titles > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions), and disallowed in at least one IRC client [04:10:05] Well, /me suddently vanishes in another dimension [04:10:16] and then submit it as a bug like "always rewrite/normalize location to escape/encode these characters in URL bar" or such [04:10:27] so that Brion can say "IRC clients suck" and wontfix [04:10:33] heh [04:10:34] aww, but think of the developers! [04:11:04] Even without the UTF chars, the punctuations (even not traling ones) are enough to make me think there's no universal solution - well, maybe there is if you don't care about XChat colorizing links when they contain %C [04:11:21] heh [04:11:37] 03werdna * r36762 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.class.php: Also allow spaces, newlines, tabs to be ignored when processing rules [04:11:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%53%70%65%63%69%61%6C%3A%56%65%72%73%69%6F%6E [04:12:00] I'm trying to convince XChat's dev to make an exception in XChat links, i.e. do not colorize any \b(http://)?.*?\b links [04:12:17] https, file, gopher, mailto, news, irc [04:12:28] and so on and so on [04:13:08] skiidoo: the great thing about open sopurce software [04:13:27] Yes, I know I know, I have to learn C :) [04:14:29] Anyway, 6am mean time to get a bit of rest, have fun! [04:22:37] anyone know when 1.13 is going to be released? [04:23:54] hey Charitwo [04:24:18] Prod-you: hi, not sure about your question, perhaps brion will know better than I [04:24:37] yea, left him a message on his talk page [04:24:54] what's his user name on here? [04:24:55] good thing he only deals with one wiki and only has one talk page [04:25:24] -NickServ- Information on brion (account brion): [04:25:26] -NickServ- Last addr : n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER [04:25:37] !seen brion [04:25:37] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "seen". [04:26:04] dammit [04:26:14] hmmm...apparently he's rarely here as well.... [04:26:16] he's at a conference. [04:26:19] so's tim [04:26:21] ah [04:26:23] !seen is What am I, your personal CCD? use /nickserv info USER [04:26:23] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: seen [04:26:34] heh [04:26:48] !rar | Splarka [04:26:48] --mwbot-- Splarka: I don't know anything about "rar". You might try: !500 [04:26:54] ... [04:26:58] who deleted that :( [04:27:01] !500 | Charitwo [04:27:01] --mwbot-- Charitwo: the HTTP error code for an internal server error. It is rarely triggered by mediawiki itself and is more commonly a result of a faulty PHP setup or invalid or illegal options in htaccess. See Apache's error log for details. [04:27:06] 03(mod) Create an appendices namespace for gawikt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14570 +comment (10sean.anseo) [04:27:10] heh [04:27:54] i blame Skizzerz [04:28:21] O_o Wait isn't that info false? 500 Internal server error, is normally returned when someone goes over the rate limit throttle... ie: moves more than 2 pages [04:28:21] 12(Werdna12): do you know when the conference ends and he'll be back? [04:28:30] nope. [04:28:34] next week, maybe [04:28:51] next week as in three days, or 10 days? [04:28:56] *Prod-you hopes 3 :) [04:28:58] 3 days [04:29:13] Dan: in a perfect world, that'd be the most common cause [04:29:16] well, then I guess i'll be back in 3 days :) [04:29:19] because all the other ones'd been fixed [04:29:37] Splarka: um, we fixed the fact that hitting the rate-limit gave a 500. [04:30:02] Werdna: great, I am glad your time machine allowed it to be made retroactive [04:30:14] so no old mw install on the internet will have the problem [04:30:26] ^_^ You should tell that to Wikia... last time I checked they were still giving out 500 errors [04:30:28] heh [04:30:34] silly sausages. [04:30:38] mmm, sausages [04:30:48] thanks for the info Werdna [04:30:51] mmm... farmers sausage [04:39:01] 03werdna * r36763 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): Prettify global rights log: include rights added/removed, add (none) if none are added/removed [04:45:50] Hello...Is it possible to modify the format of a category in media wiki? [04:46:25] ex: it shows the alphatbetical style...i want to use dpl to create my own style (via a template) and remove the alphabetical style below [05:05:34] hey SQLDb [05:05:48] hi, Werdna [05:05:58] did you want to give abusefilter a whirl? [05:06:20] Hey, would anyone be interested in taking a look at bug 12232, and, maybe committing the patch? :) [05:06:31] Werdna: sure! I've got a testwiki here, with enws loaded :) [05:06:44] heh, I've got it set up on my testwiki already [05:08:23] Werdna: either way, I can play abuser :) [05:08:28] +$message = wfMsg( 'antispoof-name-conflict', $name, implode( ', ',$conflict ) ); [05:08:35] You should use $wgLang->makeList [05:08:40] hmm [05:09:03] Werdna: that was what was there to start with, just changed the paramaters [05:09:27] yes, $wgLang->makeList > implode [05:09:35] oic [05:09:41] *JSharp is writing a ruby-pam authentication module to authenticate unix/PAM compatible systems against the mediawiki API :) [05:09:44] *SQLDb scutttles off to the manual [05:09:59] which reminds me, I should practice what I preach [05:10:21] lolz. Helpful :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLang [05:10:36] *SQLDb goes off to read the source [05:12:43] maybe that method doesn't exist. [05:13:14] no, apparently not. [05:13:15] Please ignore me. [05:13:19] lol np [05:13:30] I was about to ask the same, I couldn't find it in the source :P [05:15:52] 03werdna * r36764 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Fix WTFage - forgot to change a message name in CentralAuth.i18n.php [05:16:21] there is a madness to your method [05:20:29] hi there [05:20:38] is this the channel for mediawiki help? [05:20:55] no, we talk about dog training strategies. [05:21:04] Splarka: How do you make your dog sit? [05:21:10] roll up a newspaper [05:21:25] rofl [05:21:25] and slap Werdna in the face repeatedly until the dog sits [05:21:43] ok my question is maybe easy [05:21:56] but i found anything about that - so my question is: [05:22:16] is it possible to say "show me all pages in a catagorie as list" [05:22:18] for example [05:22:28] i have 30 pages in the categorie "linux" [05:22:32] ... Go to Category:Linux [05:22:53] i want include these category list in a other page [05:23:02] maybe i have a pageportal for linux [05:23:10] !DPL | darian_ [05:23:10] --mwbot-- darian_: The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [05:23:14] !dpl [05:23:14] --mwbot-- The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [05:23:24] *Splarka lags [05:23:28] heh [05:24:11] many thanks [05:25:49] next question: what is a good way to generate a download-portal? I have search for a extension - but did'nt find anything which me really help [05:26:11] example: i have on the page "samba" some "smb.conf" files [05:26:20] on the page "squid" some "squid.log" files [05:26:35] but i want a overview page with all downloads [05:26:39] is that possible? [05:29:31] and the last question: how is it possible to set the resoultion of thumbnail function [05:32:41] ^_^ You make me feel like altering the GeSHi extension to offer a "download source" button... [05:53:41] hey [05:53:44] anyone here? [05:56:16] No. [06:14:26] !DPL [06:14:26] --mwbot-- The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [06:14:29] is great [06:14:41] but i have a little problem. [06:14:42] use: [06:14:46] category=Lexikon columns=3 rowcolformat=width=100% [06:14:46] [06:15:11] but i want that he only show "Pages startet with an A in the Categorie Lexikon" [06:15:15] is that possible? [06:22:57] I try to upload a .doc file to mediawiki but the name of the link has a prefix Image in it (eg:Image:AA.doc). is it posible to remove the prefix or change it to something else? [06:25:46] darian_: {{#dpl:category=Lexikon|columns=3|rowcolformat=width=100%|titlematch=A%}} [06:26:22] Dantman|FS: YOU ARE THE GREATEST!!!! [06:26:32] MANY MANY THANKS [06:26:50] *darian_ is Dancing and praying to Lord Dantman|F [06:27:00] :/ One ping is enough [06:29:15] one ping to bind them? [06:29:44] T_T Bind is evil... PowerDNS FTW!!! [06:30:17] Dantman|FS: your solution is not perfect [06:30:38] i have under the category=linux the categoriy suse [06:30:40] ^_^ We're talking about DPL... nothing is perfect [06:30:56] but if i use {{#dpl:category=Lexikon|columns=3|rowcolformat=width=100%|titlematch=A%}} [06:31:06] sorrry mean [06:31:15] {{#dpl:category=Linux|columns=3|rowcolformat=width=100%|titlematch=S%}} [06:31:26] they only show "caterogy: suse" [06:31:29] not samba and so on [06:31:39] l1f3: afaik, no. That will be done in a later version [06:31:41] but samba is in the categroy inux [06:32:47] Well, DPL is doing what it's told... grabbing a list of pages in a category... You didn't specify what namespaces to restrict to, or some method of traversing the categories... I don't even know if DPL has a feature to do that [06:33:29] DPL is a tool for quick and dirty hacks [06:34:14] It's never going to come out completely perfect, and moreoften than not, it not doing something right is because what you're trying to do is not simple and you should actually be redesigning your organization rather than relying on a unreliable tool [06:34:48] I stoped working with DPL in favor of SMW awhile ago [06:35:31] maybe for indexing is not the right [06:35:45] but for many other soulutions is a great dirty hack [06:36:02] Not really... DPL is evil... it kills servers [06:36:25] Wikia has stats dedicates to picking out wiki which are overusing DPL and harming the servers [06:36:35] I haven't even bothered to enable it on my own [06:38:39] ok then i will deleate DPL [06:38:43] thanks [06:52:00] Bleh both svnmerge.exe and svnmerge.py give me issues... [08:10:41] Is it posible to put a search engine into a page (ie:Main_page)? [08:11:56] !e InputBox | l1f3 [08:11:56] --mwbot-- l1f3: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox [08:12:40] mwbot: thank [08:15:01] 03rotem * r36765 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update for he. [08:18:47] hello [08:19:09] hi [08:47:33] 03ialex * r36766 10/trunk/extensions/inputbox/inputbox.php: Fixed XHTML error if $comment is empty: parser introduce

in the middle of the

[08:58:21] ialex: mmm, why doesn't it use xml functions? [08:58:49] Nikerabbit: this was just a quick fix [09:17:52] 03ialex * r36767 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialGlobalGroupPermissions.php: This message will be hardcoded in the database, using it in content language [09:19:09] 03(NEW) Diff and revision unshowable and user deny to done this edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14672 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (michael.frey) [09:21:48] hi out there [09:21:59] someone got time helping me out? [09:23:50] enfantprodige, don't ask to ask ; pose ta question et si quelqu'un sait, il répondra [09:24:33] kk [09:25:27] i need to add a rss/atom feed to my mediawiki - how can i do this? i know it's about using the link-tag in general - but I dont' find the right file to add it...any idea? [09:26:41] enfantprodige: there's already feeds in MediaWiki [09:26:50] yeah i know [09:26:56] but i want to have on the main page [09:27:14] not only on the last changes page..you know [09:27:35] it's about that tiny icon sitting in the address bar [09:29:06] http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amediawiki.org+rss+feed [09:29:30] (some let you embed external feeds, some let you provide feeds) [09:30:05] thx but this is what i've tried already [09:30:34] i try to pose to make more clear what I'm looking for [09:31:05] maybe http://pastebin.com/d6b4d7310 can help [09:31:48] looks interesting thx [09:33:58] i know that this code makes appear this feed icon if i put it into an index file or where ever - now my problem is how is the main page of a media wiki built - where does html code come from? [09:34:34] ahh, that is generated across several files in the /skins folder mostly [09:34:43] aha [09:34:44] ok [09:34:51] and Skin.php and SkinTemplate.php in /includes [09:34:55] all very messy [09:35:03] i will have a look at thx @Splarka [09:35:14] you probably want to make a small extension that adds it [09:36:17] *Splarka thinks you can do this with addScript() [09:36:32] well, could give it a try [09:37:48] thx so far :) [09:39:14] something like.. [09:39:23] Duesentrieb: you category tree extension is nice. [09:39:32] $wgHooks['OutputPageParserOutput'][] = 'Somemodule::Somefunction'; ... [09:39:54] and then in that function you modify $head to append your [09:41:25] Is there any way to turn off the category tree expansion for subcategory with no child categories? [09:43:51] enfantprodige: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Add_HTML_Meta_and_Title here is a simple extension to add meta and title tags , might be a good jump point [09:46:05] Sparkla: looks interesting [09:47:59] 03(mod) Diff and revision unshowable and user deny to done this edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14672 (10raimond.spekking) [09:57:38] naught101: no, because it can not (yet) know that in advance. it would have to query the children for all subcategories at once. that would be quite slow. [09:58:11] naught101: however, we now have an extra table that keeps count. i'm working on a new version which will be able to tell in advance at least for some cases. [09:58:19] (i.e. if you do not use fancy namespace filters) [09:59:10] naught101: expect a new version within the next wee. in fact, i may check in the first bits tody. [09:59:13] *today [10:18:45] the manual says that short fake URLs cannot be the same as the real directories (ie. trying to make both /wiki/index.php?title=Page_name and /wiki/Page_name work is impossible) [10:18:47] but in the mozilla developer center both http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/AJAX and http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/index.php?title=AJAX work [10:18:48] does someone know why? [10:19:55] having scriptpath and articlepath both the same *is* possible, but you'll find no end to problems doing it [10:20:09] (and you'll get no sympathy from this channel if you do) [10:20:16] ohh [10:20:19] Wyvernoid: it's possible to make this work, but it entails some nasty things. and it breaks easily. so it's not recommended. [10:20:28] what kind of problems will it bring? [10:20:29] and if you want any stability, don't ever change your URLs [10:20:47] Wyvernoid: name conflicts. you can not have pages that have the same name as files or directories. [10:20:58] well, for one thing, index.php, thumb.php, api.php, /skins, /images, robots.txt, favicon.ico... [10:21:10] not to speak of "FAQ" :) [10:21:17] ohh thanks [10:21:30] at the *very* least, have a slightly different script path, like /w/ [10:21:50] but better to have an article path, and null script path, I suppose [10:21:52] also, extension that lopad their own js/css files may have problems if the path to the extensions isn't excempt from rewriting [10:21:53] etc [10:21:59] it's overall a Bad Idea (tm) [10:22:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#URL_like_-_example.com.2FPage_title <-- see warnings here [10:22:08] also in theory. it entails namespace pollution [10:22:25] and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory [10:22:47] Splarka: null script path? huh? no... the two pathes should be distinct. [10:23:01] and, if you *do* make it work, the best you can look forward to is being bugged by other people on how to do it, and going bald because of that [10:23:02] different namespaces (i.e. pathes) for different things [10:23:21] Dues: well, wikia does fine with null script paths (annoying, but possible, and much less evil than null article paths) [10:23:33] ((if one is going to null one or the other)) [10:24:13] can redirects point to external links? [10:24:45] Wyvernoid: external no, interwiki yes, if you enable that, and have the respective wiki flagged as "local" in the interwiki table [10:25:34] Splarka: it's possible, and better than using the same path for both, but still feels messy, and pointless [10:25:47] again... MDC has it [10:25:49] http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/index.php?title=AJAX_Patterns:_Design_Patterns_for_AJAX_Usability_%28external%29&redirect=no [10:25:52] Dues: yes, but so do a lot of things that have cheerful guides on mediawiki.org [10:26:08] your place is not to judge, just to assist people by telling them they're idiots (when they are) ^_^ [10:26:42] Wyvernoid: ask them how they do it then. i guess they have hacked several things. and maybe i'm just wrong, and it *can* be enabled for external links too [10:26:43] well, they don't have null, so favicon/robots aren't affected, but everything else is.. [10:26:51] for example, what if you wanted an article titled index.php ^_^ [10:27:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index.php [10:27:34] Duesentrieb : in which way? (*can* it be enabled for external links too) [10:28:16] Wyvernoid: it don't think it can. but i may be wrong. a quick glance at defaultsettings reveals nothing of that sort though. may be a hack. ask then. [10:28:21] *tehm [10:28:26] err, them :P [10:28:33] typing-- [10:28:38] okay, thanks [10:29:17] seems much saner to use interwiki [10:29:32] you can set the domains you trust as local interwiki and allow them to be used as external redirects [10:29:45] Wyvernoid: their syntax looks odd ttoo: #REDIRECT [[http://www.softwareas.com/ajax-patterns]] [[Category:AJAX]] [10:30:06] Wyvernoid: that's a full url in a local wiki link. maybe they just intercept that with a rewrite rule [10:30:09] yeah [10:30:17] i was wondering about that too [10:30:38] but when I tried to make it in single square brackets, it didn't work [10:31:14] it's not supported either way by mediawiki. they hacked it somehow. [10:31:15] ask them. [10:31:21] okay... [11:41:37] is there a way to move many pages at once e.g. via find/replace? [11:48:46] Bot [11:50:41] yes but without a bot. There's Extension:FindReplace which does that perfetcly for page content but not for the titles [11:52:35] sorry. it's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text [11:58:45] includes/Database.php line 1455: $prefix = isset( $wgSharedprefix ) ? $wgSharedprefix : $prefix; <-- shouldnt that be $wgSharedPrefix? [12:06:40] erm. can someone slap me awake please, thanks >_< [12:13:13] can i link to a wiki article's section? [12:13:15] er [12:13:21] like say: [12:13:39] [[My Wiki Article#My Section]] ? [12:14:46] yes [12:23:54] valhallasw: ^_^ Questioning some of my code in your sleep? I'm honoured.. ;) rotfl [12:24:50] Dantman|FS: I was using an old SVN version, but the bug is still there [12:25:35] I am just wondering if people will get mad at me if I commit it myself ;) [12:26:00] What? [12:26:00] (pywikipedia and mediawiki repos have shared access rights) [12:26:24] sec [12:27:26] Dantman|FS: http://pastebin.ca/1057448 [12:27:29] ^_^ AutoLoad::AddPattern( '%s', "$IP/includes/%s.php" ); [12:28:30] Eek [12:28:43] ^_^ It's a variable typo... feel free to fix [12:29:01] k :) [12:29:12] 03(NEW) Change author - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (smihael) [12:30:28] >.< My website is completely broken... heh [12:31:13] But that's what I get for splitting my i18n class into a i18n class and a L10n class set and committing while only halfway through the large ammount of work transitioning it [12:31:22] Mmmm... language chaining [12:32:35] 03valhallasw * r36768 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/Database.php: bugfix: $wgSharedprefix -> $wgSharedPrefix (the correct global) [12:33:13] there :) [12:34:20] 03(NEW) Portal namespace in Slovenian Wikipedija - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14674 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (smihael) [12:37:29] ;) valhallasw, there is also the dump utility, which is written in python, where we have access to. And it needs some upgrades :p [12:40:01] 03(mod) Portal namespace in slovenian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14674 summary (10smihael) [12:44:22] NicDumZ: hmm? :P [12:44:57] <_wooz> lo [12:45:11] just saying that the dump utility could use some of the pywikipedia "expertise", if there's any :p [13:05:04] Hello [13:05:28] i have a problem installing but i found nothing on the faq [13:06:20] i get an php error saying that there is a fatal error in Preprocessor_DOM.php [13:06:36] can anyone help please?? [13:07:56] somebody out there? [13:10:09] !dom | Nergal [13:10:09] --mwbot-- Nergal: If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see for details) [13:14:07] thanks Dantman|FS [13:14:17] where do i have to set this? [13:14:25] in localsettings.php [13:14:26] ? [13:15:44] Hello! How to enable syntax highlighting, Just like MediaWiki on Wikimedia projects? (For example, on [[User:OsamaK/X.js]]) [13:16:57] OsamaK, أنت جربت تدور على الموقع؟ [13:17:04] !e SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi | OsamaK [13:17:04] --mwbot-- OsamaK: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [13:17:26] alnokta2, نعم، في صفحة الإعادادات [13:17:43] alnokta2, دعني ألعب على حاسوبي بالميدياويكي :) [13:17:58] OsamaK, أنت لم تبحث :P [13:18:00] هنا، يوجد بوتات وجافاسكربتات، وحركات رهيبة [13:18:00] :P [13:18:15] :) [13:18:15] alnokta2, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings_(alphabetical) [13:18:24] alnokta2, جدها لي يا فهمان [13:18:50] Dantman|FS, Thax [13:19:01] alnokta2, كنت أظنها موجودة مسبقا، حصل الخير [13:19:10] alnokta2, بالمناسبة، كيف مراية ويكيبيديا؟ [13:19:12] :-) [13:19:24] تجني المال من سهر الويكيبيديين [13:20:28] hello [13:24:14] hi :) [13:32:20] Dantman|FS, http://rafb.net/p/uWwmIs88.html [13:32:27] Could you check this error? [13:32:55] I added this line to my LocalSettings.php [13:33:23] SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi is hardcoded with that... you'll have to remove it [13:33:38] OR wait [13:34:05] Ya, first response choice... "You didn't follow the installation instructions" [13:34:24] The extension also needs a copy of GeSHi installed, and you didn't install it [13:34:54] What's that? [13:35:43] RTFM... the instructions and there should even be a link, on the extension's page which you were already linked to [13:55:48] 03(mod) Include uncompressed sizes in dump file RSS info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14631 (10hippytrail) [14:02:28] who knows [14:02:33] how to install texvc [14:02:33] ? [14:03:52] would someone like to give me a start help on writing an easy gadget? the gadget woudl display edit and move links next to all article links (in category, search etc). unfortunatly i duno how to start with the js code [14:06:35] the search box needs to be more visible [14:07:23] Subfader: to install a Gadget, you must firt install the Gadgets extension [14:07:35] !e Gadgets | Subfader [14:07:35] --mwbot-- Subfader: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets [14:08:35] Then put the code for the gadget in Mediawiki:Gadget-. [14:08:38] thanks but i did already. i already use gadgets. well tweaked existing ones. on this i have no example i can tweak for my needs :) [14:09:11] oh [14:10:26] actually all it shou do is give out Article Links as **"image|link to edit page of article" "image|link to mave page of article" "artcile page link"** [14:11:17] shouldn't be hard if i know how to start [14:15:58] i have this so far http://mixesdb.com/db/index.php/MediaWiki:Gadget-EditMoveALot.js [14:19:56] does anyone know how to translate the sidebar? (ie. the destination links too) [14:20:13] I tried creating a new sidebar... but it doesn't seem to wokr [14:20:48] hello [14:21:26] MediaWiki:Sidebar [14:22:00] (new sidebar -> MediaWiki:Sidebar/ar) [14:22:12] but it's nto displayed when I switch my language to arabic [14:23:30] kibble, it works for me.. cache? [14:23:45] alnokta2, see wm2008 [14:24:29] kibble, see how i added it in meta [14:26:56] are any of the api devs present? [14:27:40] they are on the mailing list [14:27:44] :o [14:28:02] are you having fatal errors? [14:28:27] humans cannot have fatal errors and stay awake [14:29:19] no i just have a question about checking for redirects with action=query [14:29:29] alnokta2, meta? [14:29:50] that doesn't work [14:30:10] kibble, translated sidebar works on meta [14:30:13] the destination still doesn't change [14:30:18] look http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar/ar?uselang=ar [14:33:42] kibble, try to change it in preferencess [14:34:10] wm2008:MediaWiki:Sidebar/ar -> and my prefs are set to ar [14:34:39] on Meta, it still doesn't change for me [14:34:46] even when prefs set to ar [14:36:19] 03(mod) Change autoconfirmed days limit in Chinese Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14624 (10fdcn64) [14:38:32] kibble, isn't the sidebar here in ar? http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2268/hookh2.png [14:39:15] some one to help me with my gadget? http://mixesdb.com/db/index.php/MediaWiki:Gadget-EditMoveALot.js [14:39:24] alnokta2, I need the *links* to go to arabic locations [14:39:31] I have no problem with translating the names [14:41:44] oh [14:42:31] is it possible to proxy with api.php, or does that only work on query.php? [14:43:07] With a standard install of MediaWiki can i create my own user groups? aka $wgGroupPermissions['mygroup']['edit'] = true; etc... and assign users to that group? [14:43:22] alnokta2, if you figure it out, could you join #wikimania2008 and tell Mido? [14:43:23] ReAn: yes [14:43:23] *kibble has to go [14:43:26] ReAnL yes you can. [14:43:33] !m Configuration Settings [14:43:33] --mwbot-- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Configuration [14:43:39] :( [14:43:48] !manual Configuration [14:43:48] --mwbot-- An introduction to using MediaWiki is at , see for information about copying it to your own wiki. More technical information for MediaWiki administrators is at . For an introduction on programming with MediaWiki, see . [14:43:59] :( [14:44:12] kibble, go! [14:44:21] :-) [14:44:30] ReAn: $wgGroupPermissions['new group name here' ]['move'] = true; [14:45:37] !man Configuration [14:45:37] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration [14:45:53] :) [14:45:59] lol [14:46:01] you can assign users by Special:Userrights [14:46:03] !man Configuration | ReAn [14:46:03] --mwbot-- ReAn: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration [14:47:25] !man User_rights_management | ReAn [14:47:25] --mwbot-- ReAn: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management [14:47:36] those 2 should help :) [14:48:21] lol? anyways, I have my own question. = I have set 'edit' for group user to false in localsettings. Because I don't want to give users the ability to edit pages. However I want them to be able to edit all talk namespaces and of course their userpages. But not other users userpage. [14:48:22] Is this possible? [14:48:54] i lol'ed at :( :( :( then :) [14:50:20] 03(NEW) action=query should report redirects explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (hippytrail) [14:50:45] dmc900: I think that it would require the seperation of the permission to edit pages and the permission to edit talk pages [14:51:31] I don't think its possible atm, sorry [14:51:44] ok... [14:53:33] dmc900: maybe check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NamespacePermissions [14:54:37] Subfader: that won't block the editing of others userpages [14:56:21] from what i read you can give seperate rights to the user group for editing certain namespaces so all _talk namespces and user ns true; rest false [14:58:21] Subfader: "But not other users userpage" [14:58:37] :P [14:58:52] ? disable editing other users's user page? [15:00:29] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself [15:00:33] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditOnlyYourOwnPage [15:00:51] I use KeepYourHandsToYourself and it works fine [15:12:39] 03(mod) Proposal: introduce an expiry time for the temporary password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2242 (10tylerromeo) [15:20:57] 03(mod) Diff and revision unshowable, and user denies to have done this edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14672 summary (10Wiki.Melancholie) [15:21:28] Sidebar: is it possible to add two elements in a row? e.g. ** Help:General|General - Category:Help Pages|Help Pages [15:22:55] 03(FIXED) User and group rights management (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767 (10tylerromeo) [15:28:19] Hallo [15:36:09] 03(mod) action=query should report redirects explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675 +comment (10sadako) [16:01:37] with error_reporting( E_ALL | E_STRICT ); i get a huge error list on top regarding var's. eg Strict Standards: var: Deprecated. Please use the public/private/protected modifiers in /includes/BagOStuff.php on line 178. they all point to different var's. any idea what could cause it? [16:08:46] 03(NEW) Request for a new mailing list for it:wp administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14676 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (gigamb) [16:12:01] Subfader: because of E_STRICT? ;) [16:13:08] Subfader: anyway, var xyz; is used at some points; this should be changed to public/private at some point [16:14:05] about.. 1500 times [16:14:48] Hello [16:15:02] I have problem logging with captchas on fr.wiktionary.org [16:15:10] 03(mod) Request for a new mailing list for it:wp administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14676 +comment (10computerville) [16:15:13] I put the right captcha, but it does not log [16:18:19] the point is i only get those errors since half an hour. i deleted the gadget page i was working on (it used lots of vars) but still. [16:23:46] ok so i guess it's nothing to worry about? but it makes it hard debugging other issues with E_strict [16:25:01] see you later [16:58:26] Christoph_Knoth, how is your template going [16:59:01] not much, but i got a server now [16:59:14] i am moving at the moment from amsterdam back home [16:59:17] so i dont have much time [16:59:34] on monday i got the server, then i will test it with some of the german guys [17:00:10] why german guys? [17:00:10] 03(NEW) MediaWiki: Sidebar does not use i18n for entire menu or links if exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14677 major; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (danny.b) [17:01:10] because this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Design_overhaul,_2006 [17:01:14] fell asleep [17:01:36] and a german woman developed it further on the german wikipedia [17:01:43] and thats why i moved there ;) [17:02:25] :) [17:02:32] but i will give you a link when it works, dont want 100 million bugfixes at the beginning O.o [17:03:09] good [17:14:53] 03huji * r36769 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations [17:25:31] 03huji * r36770 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations [17:30:02] {{lc|...}} is an internal template for lowercase right? [17:33:34] no [17:35:06] 'internal templates' have the format {{#xxx|xxx}} [17:35:30] er [17:35:37] or so I thought [17:35:44] apparently {{lc:xxx}} does what you want [17:36:44] stupid inconsitencies :P [17:37:10] Fatal error: using $this when not in object context in includes/api/ApiQueryBase.php on line 329 (latest svn version - when typing in search box and ajax search is on) [17:50:51] Chuwiey: known... [17:51:07] How exactly do I change the URL of my wiki from /index.php/Some_page to /wiki/Some_page ? [17:51:17] Nikerabbit: ok, thx [17:51:25] SysRq868: use .htaccess [17:51:36] rewriteengine magic ;) [17:52:01] valhallasw: I have. "RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ /mywiki/index.php?title=$1" [17:52:33] do you have RewriteEngine On? [17:52:39] Yes. [17:52:42] and... [17:52:56] I've got it somehow working, but now all internal links point to index.php/Blah [17:53:03] ah right [17:53:10] edit LocalSettings.php [17:53:14] there's a switch in there [17:53:18] How? [17:53:42] Chuwiey: I mailed api developer in case he hasn't noticed it already [17:53:43] I edited $wgArticlePath, but then all links went to http://www.localhostwiki.com/Some_page [17:53:57] Nikerabbit : roan? [17:54:02] Chuwiey: yes [17:54:09] Nikerabbit : k, thx [17:54:35] SysRq868: $wgArticlePath = "$wgScriptPath/$1"; [17:54:38] well... I could fix it myself... but I'm not sure about the proper fix [17:54:48] and if you need more path in between, add it to there [17:55:13] so '$wgScriptPath/wiki/$1', but that shouldnt be necessary [17:55:36] valhallasw: Thanks a bunch, works like a dream! :D [18:31:36] <[Ex0r]> hmm, anyone here know how to make one page only hidden ? [18:31:49] <[Ex0r]> is there like a string you can put in the edit page to make it hidden ? [18:50:53] Page signing shortcut (~~~~) is unique to wikipedia correct? not a core media-wiki feature? If so: is there an extension out there that will let me add this functionality? [19:00:36] Hi [19:00:40] my wiki is missing all the timestamps. anyone else seen this? [19:01:02] I would like to ask if there is any way to specify the keywords that medawiki generates as part of the mata tag? [19:03:12] It seems to be auto-generated [19:03:52] ReAn: no, it's core [19:04:23] ?? wiki [19:05:43] !wiki [19:05:43] --mwbot-- A wiki is a collaborative website which can be directly edited by anyone with access to it. Ward Cunningham, developer of the first wiki WikiWikiWeb, originally described it as "the simplest online database that could possibly work". Wikipedia is one of the best known wikis. [19:05:53] !timestamp [19:05:53] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "timestamp". [19:06:01] !meta [19:06:01] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "meta". You might try: !dump !jobqueue !links !m !magicwords !memcached !migrate !namespaces !parser !parserfunctions !protect !revert !spam !subst !sul !syntax !table !templates !toolserver !undo [19:07:24] 03(mod) feature request: control of meta name="KEYWORDS" content="..." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846 (10jutiphan) [19:09:51] 14(INVALID) action=query should report redirects explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [19:39:41] !$wgScriptPath [19:39:41] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "$wgscriptpath". [19:40:28] 03daniel * r36771 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AjaxDispatcher.php: adding debug messages to ajax dispatcher [19:40:38] !wg ScriptPath | MostafaDaneshvar [19:40:38] --mwbot-- MostafaDaneshvar: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgScriptPath [19:45:28] ReAn: ~~~~ is standard for mediawiki [19:52:18] 03(mod) Request for a new mailing list for it:wp administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14676 +comment (10cbrown1023) [19:58:22] 03(mod) Request for a new mailing list for it:wp administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14676 (10computerville) [19:59:55] 03(NEW) API ignores $wgShowSQLErrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14678 major; normal; MediaWiki: API; (maxsem.wiki) [20:13:33] 03daniel * r36772 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (8 files): Restructuring and revamping; more messages, more options, better config, more flexible ajax interface. Should be fully backwards compatible. It will hopefully even work for people with old JS code cached. [20:19:04] 03(mod) API ignores $wgShowSQLErrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14678 (10brion) [20:19:11] 03(NEW) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [20:37:46] 03(mod) API ignores $wgShowSQLErrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14678 +comment (10maxsem.wiki) [20:47:57] 03daniel * r36773 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreeFunctions.php: make [+] link to target category if js is off [21:00:27] can You ask them how to get a logo that goes accros the whole page [21:00:27] ivy_lucy_18: like a banner [21:11:19] <[reed]> when is 1.13 estimated for release? I'm wanting to upgrade a ton of MediaWikis from 1.10.x to the latest, but I don't want to do it right now if 1.13's release is soon. [21:13:53] well, there's no branch yet, let alone an RC. so it will be some more weeks. [21:14:11] generally, releases are (in theory) every 3 months, so, after a release si before a release. [21:14:55] <[reed]> well, 1.12.0 was 2008-03-20... it's 2008-06-28 now ;) [21:17:30] it's not a rule ;) [21:18:20] it'S a goal, i guess :) [21:19:02] but brion was around recently, so let's ask him :) [21:19:05] does brion tag the mediawiki-used versions? [21:19:20] i don't think so [21:19:35] i'm going to have tim do this release [21:19:50] he may be back in sydney by now, not sure how long the flight from SF is :) [21:19:56] hmm, special:version states '1.13alpha (r36512)' [21:20:12] valhallasw: so? [21:20:46] brion: so i came back to coding just in time to get my stuff into 1.13... yay :) [21:20:56] \o/ [21:20:57] I thought the wikimedia sites had some sort of checked svn revision [21:22:33] if by "checked" you mean "brion checks over the code before updating it" [21:22:56] brion: yes [21:22:57] well, tagging revisions that go live for a while seems like a resonable idea [21:23:05] though it's probably overkill [21:23:13] tagging is pretty much free :) [21:23:20] <[reed]> should 1.10.x be removed from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle ? [21:23:27] <[reed]> since May 2008 has passed :) [21:23:45] valhallasw: in terms of sik space, yes [21:23:48] *disk [21:25:30] I wonder if it is possible to update a tag [21:25:42] excuse me all i have a friend who is working on a summer project and needs to have a banner across a web page like this link http://wiki.nsdl.org/index.php/NSDL_Wiki could anyone help her [21:26:43] ThomasWA: change the templates used by mediawiki [21:28:02] valhallasw: it is (svn does not know about tags and branches, they are jsut directories). But it would defeat the purpos of tagging. [21:28:32] !skinning | ThomasWA [21:28:32] --mwbot-- ThomasWA: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [21:28:39] Duesentrieb: well, it could create a tag 'version used on wikimedia wiki' as some sort of semi-stable version [21:29:00] ThomasWA: and note that "skins" and "templates" are very different things in mediawiki, and what you want has nothing to do with templates [21:29:27] valhallasw: that wouldn't be a tag then, though [21:29:33] well, no. [21:29:43] something between a branch and a tag, I guess ;) [21:30:24] are we approching time for a new mediawiki release? (with api edit support!) :) [21:30:30] approaching [21:30:33] a tranch, perhaps. [21:30:45] 03(mod) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679 +comment (10lars-wikimediabugzilla) [21:31:24] ThomasV: that is a custom skin, but you can do pretty similar things with just some CSS in monobook [21:31:46] this kind of change is nasty though [21:31:58] well, not really, only the logo is clickable there [21:32:06] tranch :o [21:32:10] monobook uses a whole lot of absolute positioning. shifting stuff around requires a lot of changes [21:32:13] you just set a background image on the background, and bump all the tabs and content down [21:32:26] and... a lout of special only-for-msie rules [21:33:19] we should have codenames for releases, like mexican dishes, or proverbs in esperanto,something like that [21:33:56] finnish swear words? [21:34:08] enwiki policy pages [21:46:53] 1.13 WP:BEANS, 1.14 WP:NPOV, 1.15 WP:GAY -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Friends_of_gays_should_not_be_allowed_to_edit_articles [21:48:07] Splarka: MW version codenames? [21:48:24] :D [21:48:27] I suggest using the places where wikimania is held + other places in that country :) [21:49:16] I suggest brion's mood [21:49:20] hello brion, by the way. Nice to see you back :) [21:49:23] Al Iskandariyah or Alexandria? ;) [21:49:32] awwww i missed you guys too [21:49:40] Al Qahirah or Cairo? [21:50:12] Al Suways or just Suez? ;) [21:50:23] "Egyptland" [21:50:25] rofl [21:50:26] There seems to be a proliferation of editors who have enormous equipment [21:50:32] 03dale * r36774 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/skins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): skin updates (footer) [21:50:40] Splarka: toyland! [21:51:10] Mediawiki 1.13: Citation Needed [21:58:28] heh [21:59:16] Splarka StarDustLilly is my friend with the ? [22:00:15] StarDustLilly: are you familiar with CSS/stylesheets ? [22:00:25] a bit [22:00:48] the default skin "monobook" is almost completely styled in css, for example: [22:00:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo?useskin=myskin [22:00:49] i went to Mediawiki:Monobook.css [22:00:55] hi there [22:00:58] this is what monobook looks like with no CSS information whatsoever [22:01:02] I've got a question for you. would you please mind answering it? [22:01:02] it's blank [22:01:07] I wonder if it is possible to hide the pages in category list at the end of a specific category [22:02:37] StarDustLilly: it is blank by default, that is where you can append changes to the /skins/monobook/main.css without actually editing main.css [22:02:50] Derfel_: uh? if you don't want pages listed in that category, don't add them. and what is "the end"? [22:02:52] it loads after main.css, and can be edited by any sysop on the wiki [22:02:57] Got iy [22:02:59] it [22:03:04] im a sysop [22:03:11] k [22:03:34] What do i want to change or add? [22:03:36] Duesentrieb: I'm actually using the DynamicPageList extensions to list the articles from that category, that's why I want to hide 'em [22:03:48] Duesentrieb: I mean at the end of the category page [22:04:08] StarDustLilly: well, that would be our question for you [22:04:10] Derfel_: i donÄt think there's a good way to do that. why do you care? [22:04:11] what do you want to change or add? [22:04:39] i want to have a banner go accros like the one here - [22:04:46] Duesentrieb: it's not that important, I was just curious [22:05:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo?useskin=myskin [22:05:04] Duesentrieb: so there's no easy way to do it [22:05:07] StarDustLilly: that's possible with css, but rather tricky. [22:05:12] http://wiki.nsdl.org/index.php/NSDL_Wiki [22:05:21] sorry like the one at the NSDL site [22:05:54] Derfel_: no. since recently, we have a way to add pages to categories without the categories showing up on the bottom of the page. but you are askin for the reverse. that'S not supported. [22:06:50] Duesentrieb: thanks for the help, I'll look after an implementation then [22:07:08] StarDustLilly: skinnig mediawiki is sadly not really simple. there are different ways to go about it. basically, you have the choice of bulding your own html structure with a bit of php code, or you can use the default structure and change the layout using css only. both are a bit involved. [22:07:26] but to give you the relevant links: [22:07:31] !skinning | StarDustLilly [22:07:31] --mwbot-- StarDustLilly: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [22:08:10] 03(mod) limit=50 on RC gives count set in preferences, not 50 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14659 +comment (10cmckenna) [22:08:32] is there exsisting code that i could look at? [22:08:38] StarDustLilly: maybe don't stzart with MonoBook at all, but use the "Modern" skin as your basis. and put your logo into the background of the top bar, instead of the default "logo" bit (which is not used by Modern). [22:08:52] the Modern skin already has a "top bar", monobook (the default skin) doesn't. [22:08:56] any ideas Splarka [22:09:03] see you, again thanks for the kind help [22:09:12] *Duesentrieb is going to bed [22:15:57] 03(mod) action=query should report redirects explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675 (10hippytrail) [22:26:22] 03(mod) Cascading protection doesn't work for custom user levels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14627 (10stevend811) [22:26:45] <^demon> brion: Ping [22:30:46] *FunPika thinks bug 14627 just requires r36519 to be reverted [22:34:45] is there an internal markup token like ~~~~ that just outputs the current date? [22:34:55] like a timestamp @ the time it was submited [22:34:56] ~~~~~ [22:35:01] 5 ~'s? [22:35:07] yes [22:35:12] ~~~ + ~~~~~ = ~~~~ [22:35:17] (silly mediawiki coders) [22:35:18] ahhh [22:35:20] heh [22:35:27] you can also: [22:35:41] {{subst:CURRENTTIME}} subst in magic words like that [22:36:01] see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Variables [22:36:16] sorry, CURRENTTIMESTAMP [22:38:21] so you can customize it too, like subst in: {{CURRENTTIME}} {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTH}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} [22:38:56] 14(INVALID) A Wikipedia page modified seven months after "Last Modified" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14671 +comment (10innocentkiller) [22:39:27] Splarka: avg(+++,+++++)=++++! [22:39:27] ;) [22:45:58] valhallasw: don't apply math logic to wikis ^_^ [22:46:15] concat(~~~,~~~~~) = ~~~~ [22:46:32] yeah, apply programmer logic :P [22:46:42] well, they pretend to! [22:48:16] *^demon pokes splarka with a stick [22:48:30] ow [22:50:48] Splarka: don't apply logic to Wikimedia projects. It may cost you some blocks for trolling :) [22:51:16] <^demon> Splarka: Hey :-) [22:52:48] *Splarka pouts [22:54:20] <^demon> Why the long face? [22:56:52] because I've been vertically stretched 150% [22:58:14] <^demon> :( [22:59:38] lol [23:08:13] what does one need to do to lose the /index.php/ for root dir? [23:13:43] reisio: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL I believe [23:13:55] it's not covered there, I looked [23:14:04] hmm [23:14:41] '/index.php/' doesn't even appear on that page except once following /w/ which is only partially applicable [23:15:20] are you sure it's not covered under "URL like - wiki.example.com/Page_title"? [23:16:18] those all use /wiki/ [23:16:32] I want to use the web root [23:18:03] this is so hard to look for information on, because google includes results that have URIs including /index.php/ in them [23:18:06] which is not encouraging [23:18:18] root is bad! [23:18:22] ^demon: what's up [23:18:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#URL_like_-_example.com.2FPage_title [23:19:09] Splarka: what's bad about it? [23:19:31] well, for one thing, no one here will have any sympathy for you when you come back with "I can't get it to work!" [23:19:34] Splarka: thanks for the link :) [23:19:37] because we'll have said "Don't do it" [23:19:45] that's not a good reason at all [23:19:46] because it is bad [23:19:50] ... [23:19:59] if the reason is 'mediawiki was not coded to allow this', that makes sense [23:20:02] it's retarded, but it makes sense [23:20:17] figure it out for yourself then [23:20:36] too late, you already gave me a helpful link ;) [23:20:42] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory [23:20:44] but it is BAD [23:20:51] but you can't say why it's bad [23:20:52] :p [23:21:04] "Shooting yourself in the face with a 44 magnum is bad" "why? please explain" [23:21:16] I shouldn't have to say why it is bad [23:21:23] that's only bad if you don't want to die [23:21:27] it should be intutive to anyone who has worked with mediawiki [23:21:31] there are many reasons why it's bad :) [23:21:36] yes, wiki sits in root directory will kill you [23:21:37] obviously I haven't worked with mediawiki [23:21:38] nonetheless, some people prefer to do it [23:21:42] brion: can you name one? [23:21:57] [[Category:List of mediawiki installers who have died from trying to use null article path]] [23:21:59] first of all, the namespace conflicts between anything else on your site and the wiki [23:22:27] I want it in the web root because nothing else will exist on the site [23:22:35] and robots.txt, favicon.ico, thumb.php, api.php, index.php, /skins, /images [23:22:46] yes, one thing will exist on the site, mediawiki! [23:22:48] don't care about robots.txt or favicon.ico [23:22:51] this means you have to make a lot of special-case exception, which at best are annoying and at worst may be difficult to manage (eg, strange results with robots.txt and favicon.ico, infinite link loops for spiders, etc) [23:22:54] that's all I want to exist [23:23:03] and mediawiki is more than just /article_name [23:23:07] it also more likely to have problems with internal redirect loops etc [23:23:12] but if you insist on doing it, good luck [23:23:16] thanks [23:23:16] there's sets of directions for it [23:23:39] "good luck" = "don't let the 301 hit you on the ass on the way out" ? [23:23:52] heh [23:23:58] yeah, these are good links, thanks [23:23:59] well, i hope it doesn't break for him [23:24:04] since breakage sucks :D [23:24:35] ugh, my scanner thinks its in use [23:24:39] brion: btw, someone wanted me to poke you regarding the official release of 1.13, so do you know when it might be? [23:24:52] Skizzerz: as soon as tim gets to it [23:24:54] well I expect breakage with PHP software :p [23:24:55] k. [23:25:05] the only reason we're using mediawiki is because a lot of users are active on wikipedia [23:25:39] well, they should be used to /wiki/article_name as proper nice useful and unbroken syntax structure [23:26:08] yes, but since this is our site, we don't have to deal with that redundancy [23:26:14] you'll notice all the xx.wikipedia.org sites have nothing else on them but the wikis -> http://en.wikipedia.org [23:26:26] and yet they still use article paths /wiki/ and script paths /w/ [23:26:33] why do you suppose that is? just for added redundancy? [23:26:42] I notice en.wikipedia.org goes to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [23:26:50] Splarka: do you really want me to answer that? [23:26:55] yes [23:27:04] I s'pose it's because mediawiki devs are less than perfect [23:27:08] :D [23:27:26] but maybe it's just not a priority for them [23:27:46] so, you think hundreds of developers and patch submitters working with tens of millions of users daily to perfect this system are just not thinking clearly? [23:27:57] *Splarka shrugs [23:27:59] no I know it :) [23:28:15] I've been to en.wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org :p [23:28:17] brion, can I pretty please borrow your knife? [23:28:24] hey, I asked if you really wanted an answer [23:28:30] I even formed it semi-nicely :p [23:28:31] *Splarka grins [23:28:37] for us, using the root namespace simply wouldn't work as we'd have conflicts between articles (robots.txt) and files (robots.txt) [23:28:51] that's just one file, though [23:29:00] index.php? [23:29:05] Skizzerz: yes :p [23:29:07] that'd be a nice little clash there [23:29:10] keeping the wiki's namespace in a virtual directory of its own ensures that things remain clean and we don't have future conflicts; it also allows us to in the future change that path should we need to [23:29:20] thumb.php, api.php, /skins... [23:29:23] the conflict potential is open-ended :) [23:29:36] Splarka: and who decided to put those files there? :p [23:29:47] in mediawiki? the people that wrote it [23:29:48] we've left 'how it is' and moved on to 'why it is', remember [23:30:04] where else would they go exactly? [23:30:07] on a separate domain? [23:30:18] why: so people wanting to access other files don't have to go into subdirectories, thus shortening the URL [23:30:21] yourwiki.org/article_name vs crap.yourwiki.org/scripts [23:30:21] ? [23:30:29] (actually, idk why, I just invented that reason 5 seconds ago) [23:30:35] given that it's a problem to have them there if one wants to use the web root, I'd say elsewhere :p (if using the web root is one's goal, obviously) [23:30:59] pish, when I copy image paths from Wikipedia the URIs are retardedly long [23:31:04] don't give me that shortening URL crap :p [23:31:11] well, they have to go on root somewhere, unless they're off domain [23:31:19] why's that? [23:31:33] and if they're anywhere on the same domain, and you're using root, there is potential for conflict [23:31:33] guys, if he wants to use his root, that's ok. other sites do it. :) [23:31:42] using the web root is usually fine though, as long as your wiki is in a subdirectory, so that you can exclude it from the rewrites/redirects [23:31:46] nevermind, I think you're still talking about the way it is and I'm still talking about the way it could be [23:31:48] (or vice versa) [23:33:04] anyways, thanks for the links :) [23:33:52] Can I get help here [23:34:02] !ask | thaimann [23:34:02] --mwbot-- thaimann: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [23:34:06] *VasilievVV writes better parser for AbuseFilter [23:34:08] aka yes :) [23:34:42] <^demon> brion: Sorry was afk. No problem after all. Thought you were going to need to replace my svn key for a moment :-P [23:34:49] Ok, I have installed MediaWiki on a minimalistic laptop running FC8. [23:34:55] *VasilievVV looks at code of his old primitive expr parser written for school project on VB and stamps [23:35:17] I have tested Apache, mysql and php and they are all working. [23:36:09] After running the install script it said install was succesful, but the link provided a blank web page. [23:36:32] thaimann: enable error logging, blank pages usually mean PHP errors [23:36:34] Does anyone have an idea as to what could be wrong? [23:36:50] !error [23:36:50] --mwbot-- For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see . [23:36:51] Skizzerz: error [23:36:54] ... [23:36:58] *Skizzerz kicks PinkServ` [23:38:30] Thx for the info, I will look into it.