[00:07:27] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36775 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiMain.php): (bug 14678) Make API respect $wgShowSQLErrors and $wgShowExceptionDetails. Patch by Max Semenik.
[00:08:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API ignores $wgShowSQLErrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14678  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:16:30] <MostafaDaneshvar>	I want to create a Steward group in my own mediawiki. How should I define the variable?
[00:17:36] <Skizzerz>	MostafaDaneshvar: just define some permissions for it in LocalSettings.php via $wgGroupPermissions and it should become assignable in Special:UserRights
[00:17:51] <StarDustLilly>	Thanks Splarka
[00:17:58] <Splarka>	rar
[00:18:24] <StarDustLilly>	bye
[00:18:31] <Splarka>	MostafaDaneshvar: also be sure to remove the userrights access from bureaucrats, so they can't promote themselves
[00:19:26] <MostafaDaneshvar>	I know that variable but I am not about it content
[00:20:30] <MostafaDaneshvar>	$wgGroupPermissions['Steward']['edit']= true; 
[00:21:02] <MostafaDaneshvar>	would somebody edit it?
[00:21:54] <nakon>	['Steward'][userrights']
[00:21:56] <nakon>	IIRC
[00:24:18] <Splarka>	'edit' means edit a page
[00:24:26] <Splarka>	you want anyone to be able do that, usually
[00:24:31] <Splarka>	seee http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[00:28:16] <MostafaDaneshvar>	thank u buddies 
[00:52:59] <Mookie>	Hi-ho everyone.
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[01:54:47] <Nushio>	Hi there
[01:55:02] <Nushio>	Is there a way to list all subpages from a page in mediawiki?
[01:55:19] <Nushio>	instead of doing it manually
[01:57:13] <OverlordQ>	Special:PrefixList or something like that
[01:57:17] <OverlordQ>	oh from a page?
[01:57:59] <Nushio>	yeah, from a page
[01:58:08] <Nushio>	I'm migrating a moinmoin into a mediawiki
[01:58:29] <Nushio>	and the script I used doesn't have a way to automatically list all subpages
[01:58:37] <Nushio>	case a: (moin) http://wiki.fedora-ve.org/AplicacionesDeUsuario
[01:58:44] <Nushio>	case b: (mediawiki) http://proyectofedora.org/wiki/index.php/AplicacionesDeUsuario
[01:59:15] <Nushio>	I know about PrefixList, but afaik, that doesn't work inside a page
[02:04:09] <OverlordQ>	Dont think there's a way to do that automagically, might check extensions though
[02:04:28] <Nushio>	I just found one
[02:04:40] <OverlordQ>	although using subpages as categories instead of just using categories seems . . counter intuitive
[02:05:48] <Nushio>	true
[02:06:04] <Nushio>	I might suggest that next meeting
[02:12:20] <Nushio>	:D
[02:12:22] <Nushio>	Got it to work
[02:24:47] <Mookie>	Oh man, Extension:Loops with Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki is just an awesome combination.
[03:28:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace flags, when set, should be honored for the entire search page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1953  (10beland)
[03:33:59] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: fyi {{Special:PrefixIndex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}/}}
[03:42:49] <CIA-53>	03demon * r36776 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: (bug 14670) Return false if AutoLoader can't find a class.
[03:43:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Autoload conflicts with other PHP packages in memory that also autoload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14670  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:58:15] <MZMcBride>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=36763 \o/
[03:59:20] <Splarka>	one word can bring you 'round... changes... yes, r90125
[04:49:42] <MostafaDaneshvar>	How Can I change link in navigation?
[04:54:05] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[04:54:05] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[05:57:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Firefox does not recognise secure.wikimedia.org's cert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7477  +comment (10zigger)
[06:28:19] <_wooz>	lo
[06:43:16] <Wyvernoid>	does someone know how mediawiki determines the path for uploaded files (mostly images)?
[06:48:32] <Splarka>	md5
[06:48:44] <Splarka>	to seminormalize the random distribution
[06:48:59] <Splarka>	$md5(Wiki.png) = bc32c4ef985f1924664e5f5c7359ef62
[06:49:06] <Splarka>	path = /b/bc/Wiki.png
[06:49:22] <Splarka>	it is the md5 of the name, not the contents, and it uses just the /first/firstsecond characters
[06:49:26] <Wyvernoid>	is this a feature added after 1.6.x?
[06:49:30] <Splarka>	(this depends on if you have hashed file paths enabled)
[06:49:38] <Splarka>	I think it's been there a long time
[06:50:08] <Wyvernoid>	what is the variable for hashed file paths option?
[06:50:47] <Splarka>	$wgHashedUploadDirectory  I think
[06:50:57] <Splarka>	and $wgHashedSharedUploadDirectory
[06:51:03] <Wyvernoid>	..
[06:51:12] <Wyvernoid>	okay lemme check manual first
[06:51:13] <Splarka>	if you use something like commons
[06:51:14] <Wyvernoid>	thanks
[06:51:17] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHashedUploadDirectory
[06:51:23] <Splarka>	note that there are tools to help you
[06:51:29] <Splarka>	[[Image:]] of course finds it
[06:51:36] <Splarka>	but you can also use Special:Filepath
[06:52:05] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Filepath/Image:Wiki.png  for example will 30x you to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png
[06:52:19] <Wyvernoid>	okay
[06:52:26] <Wyvernoid>	thats not the problem
[06:52:35] <Splarka>	you can use it as a link like [[Special:Filepath/Image:Wiki.png]], which is similar to [[Media:Wiki.png]]
[06:52:39] <Splarka>	hmm
[06:52:48] <Splarka>	I'm guessing you upgraded and are having a conflict of file names?
[06:52:53] <Wyvernoid>	yeah
[06:52:55] <Splarka>	er, rather, of locations
[06:53:00] <Wyvernoid>	not really conflict
[06:53:06] <Wyvernoid>	but many images are missing
[06:53:09] <Splarka>	ahh, right
[06:53:10] <Wyvernoid>	the files are under /images/
[06:53:23] <Splarka>	and not in subfolders?
[06:53:26] <Splarka>	ahh, so disable that option and it should work, maybe
[06:53:29] <Wyvernoid>	but the wiki cannot find them (it seems to search the hashed folders like /a/ab/dfdf)
[06:53:36] <Wyvernoid>	okay lemme try
[06:55:54] <Wyvernoid>	is there a disadvantage not using hashed folders?
[06:56:36] <Splarka>	if you are a big wiki you might end up with millions of files in one folder, apparently that is bad
[06:58:53] <Wyvernoid>	hmm
[06:59:12] <Wyvernoid>	this should really get turned on
[06:59:47] <Wyvernoid>	but someone else was in charge of the wiki and turned this off, and kept v1.6
[07:00:13] <Wyvernoid>	now when i take over there seems to be no way to rescue
[07:01:37] <Wyvernoid>	Splarka: is there a script like refreshlinks.php or something that can re-place the image files?
[07:02:16] <Splarka>	no idea, probably was one for the 1.3/1.4 upgrade?
[07:02:29] *Splarka 	only started using mw in 1.4 X_X
[07:03:02] <Wyvernoid>	it says this function is added in 1.4
[07:03:24] <Wyvernoid>	but doesn't say that there is a way to refresh the filepaths
[07:47:15] <Duesentrieb>	hm... captchas on my site don't seem to work with konqueror :/
[07:48:08] <garethrodger>	Hi guys. I cant seem to get parse to work in the API....
[07:48:23] <Duesentrieb>	...or with opera. wtf gives?
[07:48:42] <garethrodger>	Here is my query: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=black%20tern&rvprop=content&format=xml&redirects
[07:49:06] <garethrodger>	how do I pass that to the parse function. I've tried urlencoding it and passing it as the tex param
[07:49:20] <OverlordQ>	what parse?
[07:50:00] <Splarka>	garethrodger: if it is over a certain size, say about 4000~ characters, you have to POST it
[07:50:43] <garethrodger>	Splarka:  I'll try that now
[07:50:45] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{foo}}  works, as a simple example
[07:50:51] <Splarka>	also note: you can pass a page title to parse
[07:51:06] <Splarka>	or an oldid
[07:51:08] <garethrodger>	OverlordQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Expanding_templates_and_rendering
[07:51:26] <OverlordQ>	aaahhhh
[07:51:26] <garethrodger>	Splarka: I tried that but couldnt get it to work
[07:51:37] <garethrodger>	for example that search term - black tern
[07:52:06] <Splarka>	well, &title isn't what you might think
[07:52:21] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&title=Foo&text={{FULLPAGENAME}}
[07:52:26] <Splarka>	that is used for magic words dealing with the title
[07:52:35] <Splarka>	(same as in ExpandTemplates)
[07:52:58] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=Black_tern
[07:53:03] <Splarka>	what you want is &page
[07:53:44] <garethrodger>	Splarka: Can you tell it to follow redirects though?
[07:54:17] <Splarka>	um...hmm...
[07:54:34] <Splarka>	nope, I guess not
[07:54:53] <Splarka>	so I guess you'd have to just resolve the redirect and try again
[07:57:11] <Splarka>	(you could submit a bugzilla request for &redirects do that I suppose)
[07:59:03] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36777 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Marking the new CategoryTree messages as ignored.
[07:59:46] <CIA-53>	03rotem * r36778 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.i18n.php: Noting that the new messages should not be duplicated to other languages.
[08:17:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) speel cheeker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14680 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gmctruck68)
[08:20:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) speel cheeker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14680  normal->high (10gmctruck68)
[08:36:20] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Spell checker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14680  high->normal; summary; +comment (10Andrew)
[08:36:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Did you mean . . ." search feature to automatically spellcheck all search terms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=974  +comment (10Andrew)
[08:48:57] <Nikerabbit>	hello morning
[08:50:06] <Splarka>	<night> Nikerabbit: stop talking to that hussey and come back to bed where you belong!
[08:50:28] <WaRpAtH>	O_O
[08:52:00] <guyvdb>	are there any other GSoCers here?
[08:52:14] <Nikerabbit>	how about one FSocer?
[08:53:15] <guyvdb>	:-/
[08:55:23] <Nikerabbit>	no?
[08:55:34] *SQLDb 	yawns
[09:00:28] <Nikerabbit>	yau
[09:00:39] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:13:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:30:46] <Guest71884>	hey
[09:34:02] <Dewi>	I have a number of wikis around the place where I maintain various forms of documentation
[09:34:28] <Werdna>	oh, really?
[09:34:32] <Dewi>	but occasionally I forget where a particular piece of information is stored. Does anyone know of an efficient way to search several mediawikis at once?
[09:34:47] <Werdna>	lucene, possibly.
[09:35:10] <Dewi>	alternatively... how feasible would it be to merge them and just have namespaces of one wiki?
[09:35:32] <Dewi>	how difficult would it be to promote a namespace to a totally separate wiki if necessary>
[09:35:35] <Dewi>	?
[09:36:26] <Werdna>	sounds ugly
[09:36:31] <Dewi>	yeah
[09:36:39] <Werdna>	although you could write a maintenance script for it
[09:37:02] <Dewi>	you know, as more and more of "our stuff" gets stored on private but remote and separate data stores, search gets a lot harder
[09:37:12] <Dewi>	'desktop search' no longer helps that much
[09:37:29] <Werdna>	it means "roll your own" :-)
[09:37:36] <Dewi>	I wonder how it will ever be possible to search my self-hosted mediawiki, my google notebook, my yahoo mail, all at once
[09:37:37] <Werdna>	hey, you could write a desktop search indexing plugin.
[09:38:46] <Dewi>	Yeah. But indexing gigabytes of, say, gmail is tough
[09:39:16] <Werdna>	that's what we need... An OSS desktop search system.
[09:39:31] <Dewi>	because you usually don't have enough power to sync the changes efficiently
[09:39:50] <Dewi>	Werdna: there is a lucene-based thing
[09:40:21] <Splarka>	google should make one, and make it as proprietary and closed-source binaries, and send the results back to google
[09:40:49] <Werdna>	oh wait, they already do.
[09:40:53] <Splarka>	"google desktop, because everything should be open to instant inspection, except google"
[09:41:03] <Dewi>	Splarka: except google desktop doesn't do that
[09:41:08] <Splarka>	well it should ^_^
[09:41:23] <Dewi>	Splarka: it runs a local web server and serves results from there
[09:41:33] <Splarka>	not quite the same
[09:42:23] <Dewi>	anyway... sorry for the OT musings :P
[09:42:53] <Dewi>	it just occurred to me that "which site did I leave ____ on?!?" is going to grow to be a problem far bigger than just my wikis
[09:44:43] <Splarka>	indeed
[09:45:01] <Splarka>	I often find it is faster to ask google to find something for me again, than to find my already-existing copy on my local hard drive
[09:45:07] <Splarka>	(and I am on dialup!)
[09:45:23] <Dewi>	hmm, most stores from gmail to individual wikis all have pretty good searches, probably the best trivial solution is to make a page I enter a text field, and it uses javascript to "submit to new window" across a number of hidden forms
[09:45:29] <SQLDb>	I use beagle for a lot of that
[09:45:43] <Dewi>	and then my browser is full of tabs, 1 for each wiki, gmail, google notebook, rememberthemilk, etc, etc
[09:46:05] <Dewi>	a more integrated solution than that is gonna be hard
[09:46:28] <Werdna>	Splarka: beagle?
[09:46:30] <Dewi>	SQLDb: that's the one I was thinking of for local stuff. Is that lucene-based?
[09:46:53] <SQLDb>	http://i30.tinypic.com/9vic0k.png
[09:47:03] <SQLDb>	Dewi: I'm not honestly sure, I just apt-got it :)
[09:47:13] <Dewi>	SQLDb: how do you do screenshots so quickly?
[09:47:32] <SQLDb>	Dewi: Applications -> Accessories -> Take Screenshot :)
[09:47:50] *Splarka 	blinks
[09:47:53] <Werdna>	Beagle grew out of Dashboard, an early Mono based application for watching and presenting useful information from a user's computer. It is written in C# using Mono and uses a port of Lucene to C# called Lucene.Net as its indexer. Beagle includes a Gtk#-based user interface, and integrates with Galago for presence information.
[09:48:13] <Dewi>	SQLDb: and you're just fast at uploading via a clumsy http upload?
[09:48:31] <SQLDb>	Indeed, Beagle also runs as a firefox plugin, it indexes every page I visit (including my gmail)
[09:48:37] <SQLDb>	Dewi: yep, I guess :)
[09:48:59] <Dewi>	SQLDb: how long you been using it? I've glanced at it a few times, it sounded really alpha.
[09:49:21] <Dewi>	SQLDb: this was some time ago, though
[09:49:25] <SQLDb>	Dewi: oh.... 2 weeks maybe, I'm really digging it so far. I lose files a LOT
[09:49:32] <SQLDb>	or webpages, etc
[09:50:12] <Dewi>	SQLDb: yeah. I burn a *lot* of time trying to get more organised and it never feels like it's working. Wikis are great when I expend the minimal effort to keep them up-to-date, but I'm often too lazy even for that :P
[09:50:22] <SQLDb>	lol yeah
[09:50:35] *Dewi 	uses mediawiki as a kind of "universal easy documentation for everything"
[09:51:55] <SQLDb>	Yeah, I just dump everything in my /home :P It's a complete mess....
[09:53:27] <Werdna>	heh, me too
[09:53:38] <Werdna>	except one of my desktops is vista
[09:53:55] <Werdna>	and, even though I have my /home mapped as Z:\, I don't dump it there either.
[09:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:58:51] <SQLDb>	Dewi: ahh, to answer your earlier question, apparently it does use Lucene
[09:59:33] <Dewi>	SQLDb: it doesn't look easy to get going on windows
[09:59:42] <Dewi>	SQLDb: maybe I should accept the all-pervading evil of google again
[09:59:47] *Dewi 	grins.
[09:59:55] <SQLDb>	lol
[10:00:02] <SQLDb>	yeah, I don't think it'd work on windows yet
[10:00:07] *Dewi 	is using google stuff more and more, I want to resist but I just can't
[10:00:22] <Dewi>	SQLDb: googling turns up a few people trying to use it, but I can't find anything official even mentioning windows :P
[10:00:54] <SQLDb>	yeah, that's about what I came away with :P
[10:01:16] *SQLDb 	pushes Dewi towards [[Debian]] Linux :)
[10:01:29] <Dewi>	oh, apart from the thing mentioning it can index your samba shares
[10:01:43] <Dewi>	(as in windows shares accessed via samba)
[10:02:06] <Dewi>	SQLDb: I use debian linux for almost everything, just not my desktop
[10:02:39] <SQLDb>	heh, I dual-boot, on rare occasion, to Vista myself.
[10:02:46] <Dewi>	SQLDb: I just use putty/vnc/remote-x all day
[10:02:52] <SQLDb>	Haven't found a reason to do so tho, in 4 months
[10:03:11] <Dewi>	SQLDb: there are a few things I miss in a pure linux environment. Games, mostly, and good drivers for my cheap hardware
[10:03:49] <SQLDb>	I haven't had a driver issue in a long time, and I pulled my laptop's minipci wifi card out of a wifi router :P
[10:03:56] <SQLDb>	The games, tho... yeah :(
[10:04:11] <SQLDb>	They've gotten a lot better in wine 1.0, but, they're still not quite there :(
[10:14:56] <Dewi>	SQLDb: I have several monitors, plus I'm switching to TV out and swapping 5.1 for headphones and stuff many times per day. And then I'll play a game...
[10:15:46] <Dewi>	SQLDb: but vmware workstation is getting close to being able to handle whatever windows stuff I still need. And wine just went 1.0 too...
[10:16:23] <SQLDb>	indeed, multi-monitors is a bit of a pain :)
[10:16:33] <Werdna>	multiple monitors > *
[10:16:42] <Werdna>	I have dual 22" widescreens.
[10:16:44] *Werdna 	orgasms.
[10:16:58] <SQLDb>	werdan7: I've got a single about that width :P
[10:17:00] <SQLDb>	ERM
[10:17:03] <SQLDb>	Werdna even
[10:17:24] <SQLDb>	radio shack display model > * :)
[10:17:29] <Dewi>	I can get the basic multi stuff going on the nvidia driver, but the TV out and switching was still problematic last time I checked
[10:18:19] <SQLDb>	Dewi: yeah, tv out is a bit flaky in my experience with the nvidia drivers too.
[10:19:29] <Dewi>	boxes are cheap enough I tend to have a headless linux box sitting right next to the windows one
[10:19:44] <Dewi>	all I really need is a keyboard/mouse switcher, probably
[10:20:19] <Dewi>	(video is easy to switch at the moment since everything supports VGA plus DVI)
[10:21:44] <valhallasw>	Werdna: combine that with multiple virtual desktops ;)
[10:23:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:24:54] <Werdna>	valhallasw: doesn't exist on vista :(
[10:25:21] <valhallasw>	Werdna: try virtuawin
[10:25:51] <valhallasw>	but it's only useful if you've got a dual screen setup with two screens of the same size
[10:26:14] <valhallasw>	(I don't like keyboard switching, I use alt-mouse-to-screen-border)
[10:27:50] <Werdna>	interesting
[10:47:04] <Dor>	is it possible to define css classes specific to one page?
[10:47:32] <Dor>	like, .foo { border:1px solid }
[10:47:36] <Dor>	and then on the same page
[10:47:37] <Dor>	use
[10:47:46] <Splarka>	depends what version you have
[10:47:47] <Dor>	<span class="foo">test</span>
[10:47:53] <Dor>	the latest released
[10:47:54] <Splarka>	each <body> has a page-specific class
[10:48:07] <Splarka>	okay, go to a page you want to do styling on and check the <body> tag
[10:48:26] <Dor>	in the source?
[10:48:31] <Splarka>	yes
[10:48:35] <Splarka>	[[Foo]] for example is: <body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Foo">
[10:48:46] <Dor>	okay
[10:48:54] <Dor>	ohhh no that's not what I want :)
[10:49:01] <Splarka>	"mediawiki" meaning, the software (useful for userContent.css), ns-0 meaning main namespace, ltr left-to-right (vs rtl languages), and the page
[10:49:17] <Splarka>	so, you can define classes that only activate on [[Foo]] via:
[10:49:25] <Splarka>	body.page-Foo .foo {}
[10:49:28] <Splarka>	well, it is what you said
[10:49:35] <Dor>	but where do I define that?
[10:49:36] <Splarka>	say what you want if you want something else ^_^
[10:49:39] <Splarka>	sitewide css
[10:49:39] <Dor>	probably on Common.css
[10:49:49] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Common.css or Skinname.css if skin specific
[10:49:57] <Splarka>	or, if you will do this a lot, load it dynamically with JS
[10:49:58] <Dor>	I want to define it on [[foo]]
[10:50:08] <Dor>	on the page itself
[10:50:18] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == 'Foo') importScriptURI('MediaWiki:Styles/Foo.css');
[10:50:26] <Splarka>	well, you can't do that safely
[10:50:33] <Dor>	I imagined
[10:50:36] <Dor>	but is it possible
[10:50:37] <Splarka>	anyone could run a checkuser 
[10:50:55] <Dor>	I want on the edit page of foo
[10:51:00] <Dor>	to define styles
[10:51:03] <Dor>	to be used later
[10:51:03] <Splarka>	body {background-image: url(http://vandalsloggingsite/someimage.php) }
[10:51:18] <Splarka>	right, insecure
[10:51:34] <Dor>	insecure as in anyone can change to css?
[10:51:40] <Splarka>	well, yes
[10:51:42] <Dor>	or insecure as in might actually be hurtful for my site
[10:51:56] <Splarka>	your site's reputation maybe
[10:52:20] <Dor>	It's not that serious, I trust my community
[10:52:23] <Splarka>	you probably can't damage your site per-se, but you could hypothetically damage other people's machines (loading very large offsite images) or reveal their IPs
[10:52:23] <Dor>	but all I want
[10:52:26] <Dor>	for example
[10:52:32] <Splarka>	no, you don't understand...
[10:52:41] <Dor>	nope
[10:52:44] <Splarka>	the reason you can't do this, is because it is insecure
[10:52:55] <Dor>	it is disabled?
[10:52:57] <Splarka>	I'm not saying just why you shouldn't, but why you can't
[10:53:04] <Splarka>	um...
[10:53:16] <Splarka>	well, lets just say, <style> is not whitelisted in Sanitizer.php
[10:53:25] <Dor>	okay
[10:53:27] <Splarka>	there are things you can do, like enable raw html
[10:53:34] <Splarka>	but then you'd allow <script> and <object> and everything
[10:53:35] <Dor>	which is so insecure
[10:53:40] <Splarka>	right
[10:53:41] <Dor>	it doesn't worth the rist
[10:53:43] <Dor>	risk*
[10:53:45] <Dor>	okay
[10:53:51] <Splarka>	enabling <style> is not that far below it in risk
[10:53:51] <Dor>	let's go back to Common.css
[10:53:58] <Dor>	I want for a specific page
[10:54:02] <Splarka>	but if you want, just add it to Sanitizer.php
[10:54:14] <Splarka>	(and watch the fun....)
[10:54:23] <Splarka>	but upgrading is harder after such hacks ^_^
[10:54:35] <Dor>	yeah I imagined.
[10:54:36] <Dor>	okay
[10:54:37] <Splarka>	body.page-Foo .foo {whatever}
[10:54:47] <Dor>	and then
[10:54:54] <Splarka>	<span class="foo">
[10:54:56] <Dor>	if I use <span class="foo">
[10:55:02] <Dor>	it will only work on [[foo]]
[10:55:24] <Splarka>	right
[10:55:25] <Dor>	right?
[10:55:27] <Dor>	okay
[10:55:30] <Dor>	I'll try it :)
[10:56:13] <Splarka>	if you were terribly trusting and had free time, you could write an extension using custom tags that would generate a <style> tag in the header
[10:56:29] <Splarka>	like <css>body { background-color: #ff00ff;}</css> 
[10:56:43] <Dor>	yeah...
[10:56:44] <Splarka>	would then stick that as a <style> in the header
[10:56:46] <Dor>	by the way
[10:56:53] <Splarka>	but you'd probably wanna strip url() from it
[10:57:06] <Dor>	I want to add things to <head></head> globally on all of the pages on my wiki
[10:57:14] <Splarka>	best to do with an extension
[10:57:16] <Dor>	like changing the <title> or adding <meta> etc
[10:57:22] <Splarka>	there are several that do that
[10:57:26] <Dor>	what extension can do that?
[10:57:35] <Dor>	!head
[10:57:35] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "head". You might try: !csshideheader 
[10:57:38] <Splarka>	well, for example on en.wp, gadgets, flagged revs
[10:57:54] <Splarka>	geshi adds a <style> 
[10:58:08] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions  <-- how to create a tag extension
[10:58:13] <Nikerabbit>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageCSS
[10:58:31] <Splarka>	ugh, someone already wrote it, heh
[10:58:43] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: great if you wanna let vandals checkuser you ^_^
[10:58:54] <Splarka>	or spamvertize, heh
[10:59:18] <Splarka>	anyway, Dor, see those
[10:59:23] <Splarka>	and : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Add_HTML_Meta_and_Title
[11:00:01] <Splarka>	Niker: know of any good simple extensions for adding static <meta> tags unconditionally? (that last one is dynamic)
[11:00:23] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: nope, it is as safe as <span style="baa">
[11:00:45] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: can't you just remove the condition?
[11:01:14] <AzaTht>	!b 14668 | TheDudes
[11:01:14] --mwbot--	TheDudes: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14668
[11:01:36] <Splarka>	Niker: per condition: sure you can, but is there any that already have?
[11:01:42] <AzaTht>	Splarka: you think that can be fixed?
[11:02:14] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: huh?
[11:02:52] <Splarka>	Niker: do you know of any good simple extensions for adding static <meta> tags unconditionally already without having to show dor a overly complex example of one that adds them conditionally?
[11:03:30] <Splarka>	Aza: hmm, I thought tht was fixed...
[11:03:41] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: universaleditbutton?
[11:03:48] <Splarka>	link?
[11:04:20] <Nikerabbit>	jURL: svn+ssh://nikerabbit@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/UniversalEditButton/UniversalEditButton.php
[11:04:21] <Splarka>	Aza: I remember [[Men in Hats]] choked the second time tim enabled the new pp, because of a comment and some new lines in the template title
[11:04:50] <Splarka>	heh, I mean to the mw.org page, but ahh well ^_^
[11:04:57] <Nikerabbit>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/UniversalEditButton/
[11:05:06] <Splarka>	dor: see that file for simple taggyness
[11:05:30] <Splarka>	Aza: pokle tim?
[11:08:31] <Dor>	Splarka, where do I see a documentation about this extension?
[11:09:34] <Splarka>	as the developers aways say... "best documentation is the source"
[11:09:37] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UniversalEditButton
[11:10:09] <Dor>	why did the search didn't see that?
[11:10:14] <Dor>	I wrote exactly that
[11:10:48] <Splarka>	the on-wiki search? sucks, use google
[11:13:55] <AzaTht>	Splarka: ok
[11:14:00] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: poke poke pok
[11:15:33] *Splarka 	climbs a tree
[11:26:32] <Werdna>	AzaTht: he's been at a staff meeting
[11:29:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Portal namespace in slovenian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14674  normal->high (10smihael)
[11:34:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:36:08] <AzaTht>	ok
[11:36:16] <Dor>	where can I get info about building and running a bot on my wiki?
[11:38:44] <AzaTht>	Dor: look at pywikimedia
[11:40:10] <Dor>	k
[11:42:55] <AzaTht>	Overfull gmail perhaps? http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/unread.png
[11:44:22] <Nikerabbit>	is there any way to do $a = "['foo']['baa']"; $b[$a] = 'daa'; in php?
[11:44:58] <Dor>	AzaTht, what's the address?
[11:45:03] <Dor>	google can't seem to find it directly
[11:45:37] <AzaTht>	sorry
[11:45:41] <AzaTht>	http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/ I meant
[11:47:56] <Dor>	huh
[11:47:58] <Dor>	:P
[11:48:22] <AzaTht>	!bot
[11:48:22] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "bot". You might try: !access !botbrain !chanspam !help !mwbot !rcbot !rights !userrights 
[11:48:23] <Dor>	but where do I get info about making one?
[11:48:44] <AzaTht>	you meant to create a bot framework?
[11:48:49] <CIA-53>	03jojo * r36779 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: no timeout for downloads
[11:49:30] <AzaTht>	Dor: there are no "official" documentation for creating a bot
[11:49:34] <Splarka>	probably best place to start is reading about the API (which is almost to a point it can be called "complete", if not yet fully stress tested)
[11:49:46] <AzaTht>	true
[11:49:54] <AzaTht>	and dig all mailing lists
[11:50:06] <AzaTht>	and poke roan to death
[11:50:53] <Splarka>	dor: if you have the api enabled, go to your scriptpath/api.php and read about whatever you fancy there
[11:50:53] <AzaTht>	Dor: there are some frameworks for python and perl made
[11:51:15] <AzaTht>	tohugh they havn't been updated fully to the api yet
[11:51:20] <Dor>	in what language is a bot written?
[11:51:30] <Dor>	or there aren't any limitations?
[11:51:32] <AzaTht>	Dor: anything bu VB-NET
[11:51:36] <Werdna>	no limitations
[11:51:42] <Werdna>	AzaTht: I wrote a bot in C# once.
[11:51:50] <Dor>	so in theory I can write it in mIRC with sockets as well?
[11:51:51] <AzaTht>	Werdna: omg
[11:52:07] <AzaTht>	Dor: in theory yes, but in practice, no wai
[11:52:15] <Dor>	why?
[11:52:36] <Dor>	I already wrote complete socket bots which connect and control IRC networks
[11:52:47] <Dor>	and sockets to take info from sites
[11:53:23] <AzaTht>	depends on what job the bot is required to do
[11:53:49] <Dor>	hmmmm
[11:54:03] <Dor>	what would be the most complex job a bot might do?
[11:54:09] <AzaTht>	as you know, you wont have a bot just for the sake of having a bot
[11:54:23] <Dor>	ofc not
[11:54:43] <Dor>	what would be the most complex job a bot might do?
[11:54:56] <Splarka>	that would be to answer your repeated question
[11:54:56] <AzaTht>	Dor: creating 1.8 million articles
[11:55:06] <AzaTht>	Splarka: hehe
[11:55:19] <Dor>	Splarka, :)
[11:55:21] <Splarka>	Aza: disagree, parsing wikicode, like anti vandalism bots, can be tough
[11:55:29] <AzaTht>	Splarka: true
[11:55:33] <Dor>	parsing it
[11:55:34] <Splarka>	the bot to create 1.8 million articles just has a tough time because it'd get banned!
[11:55:37] <Dor>	what does that mean?
[11:55:41] <AzaTht>	you need to use some fancy regexpen there
[11:55:41] <Splarka>	well
[11:55:45] <Splarka>	wikicode is not predictable
[11:55:57] <Dor>	not predictible?
[11:56:07] <Dor>	you mean like
[11:56:11] <Splarka>	you can't parse it the same as a server will, even with another copy of mediawiki, unless you have the exact same setup
[11:56:14] <AzaTht>	Splarka: was refering to the proposed willage creation bot
[11:56:18] <Splarka>	same extensions, same parser hooks, same time, etc etc
[11:56:19] <Dor>	a bot is "looking" at a page
[11:56:26] <Splarka>	Dor: for example...
[11:56:27] <Dor>	and tells you what's in the edit page?
[11:56:34] <Splarka>	there is a bot that checks if a user has used a talk page and not signed their name
[11:56:52] <Dor>	tough but possible
[11:56:55] <Splarka>	it has to parse the wikicode somewhat, in order to insert an unsigned-indicator template
[11:57:13] <Dor>	I see
[11:57:15] <Splarka>	that is a complex job, more so than repeated uploading or page transpositioning
[11:57:24] <AzaTht>	Dor: wikitext isn't BNF
[11:57:26] <Splarka>	there are other bots that check almost every diff for possible vandalism
[11:57:46] <Dor>	I think I undersand...
[11:57:58] <Dor>	looking at the code and telling what goes where
[11:58:03] <Splarka>	right, so wikicode parsing is also language dependant...
[11:58:16] <Splarka>	and, also depends on the existence and contents of other pages
[11:58:16] <AzaTht>	Dor: so most of the processing goes to validate really complex regex
[11:58:32] <Dor>	huh
[11:58:37] <Splarka>	so you need not only the full configuration and extensions of a given wiki, but the full database, in order to parse the given wikicode 100%
[11:58:50] <Splarka>	a simple example: [[Foo]]
[11:59:00] <AzaTht>	simple?
[11:59:11] <Splarka>	<a href="/wiki/Foo"> or <a href="/w/index.php?action=edit&title=foo" class="new">
[11:59:18] <Splarka>	you can't know without checking if Foo exists
[11:59:36] <Dor>	but a socket recieves the source
[11:59:41] <Splarka>	Aza: a simple piece of wikicode with complex parsing ^_^
[11:59:50] <Splarka>	so, in this way
[12:00:04] <Splarka>	intuitive partial-parsing is probably the hardest thing a bot can do, that I can see
[12:00:13] <AzaTht>	Splarka: you forgot one event
[12:00:20] <AzaTht>	Foo: #REDIRECT [[Bar]]
[12:00:24] <Splarka>	it always doesn't help to have the output either! hard to compare the input/output
[12:00:29] <Splarka>	heh
[12:00:37] <Dor>	true
[12:00:40] <Splarka>	I was going for simplest ^_^
[12:00:44] <AzaTht>	hehe
[12:00:58] <Splarka>	there is one thing that helps parsing though, the XML tree output by the preprocessor in expandtemplates
[12:01:15] <Splarka>	sometimes gives you an idea of what the hell is going on
[12:01:21] <AzaTht>	hehe
[12:01:24] <Dor>	huh
[12:01:29] <Splarka>	{{{{foo}}}} != {{{{foo}} }}
[12:01:33] <AzaTht>	Dor: and it was worse before
[12:01:41] <Dor>	lol
[12:01:54] <AzaTht>	Dor: 5678 was the magic word
[12:01:57] <Splarka>	{foo} -vs- transclusion of template that matches title of contents of {{foo}}
[12:02:04] <Dor>	I still think I can do the more simple bots with mIRC
[12:02:46] <AzaTht>	Dor: the question is mor of , why
[12:03:03] <Splarka>	"because it isn't there!"
[12:03:03] <Dor>	why what?
[12:03:03] <AzaTht>	any task you need to have an bot do atm?
[12:03:28] <Dor>	not currently
[12:03:37] <Dor>	but I am looking to the future :)
[12:03:40] <Dor>	I think it will be needed
[12:03:41] <AzaTht>	then you don't need t owrite one ツ problem solved :)))
[12:08:35] <AzaTht>	Splarka: CIA-53 doesn't work?
[12:09:32] <Moniker42>	hey, how do i require moderator permission for a new account to be created/activated?
[12:09:38] *Splarka 	shrugs
[12:09:48] *Splarka 	stabs CIA-53
[12:10:02] <Moniker42>	i know it can be done, i'm just not getting fruitful google results :)
[12:10:18] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[12:12:32] <Moniker42>	thanks
[12:20:33] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: you there? I have a problem with the new category table
[12:23:20] <Duesentrieb>	i want to show the number of members for all subcategories of a category. for that, i'd need to join the category table with the categorylinks table.
[12:26:00] <Duesentrieb>	but that isn't possible... cl_from is a page id, which the category table doesn't contain :/
[12:26:10] <Duesentrieb>	so i'd need to go via the page table. with is nasty overhead.
[12:29:32] <Duesentrieb>	bah, how do i do a LEFT JOIN with Database::select?
[12:30:36] <Werdna>	hehe, I had to figure that out yesterday
[12:30:46] <Werdna>	include the table to join on in the tables
[12:31:14] <Werdna>	and in the parameter after options (two params after fname), put array( 'tablename' => array( 'LEFT JOIN', 'JOIN CONDITION' ) );
[12:31:19] <Werdna>	sample:
[12:32:09] <Werdna>			$dbr = wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE );
[12:32:09] <Werdna>			$abuse_filter = $dbr->tableName( 'abuse_filter' );
[12:32:09] <Werdna>			$res = $dbr->select( array('abuse_filter', 'abuse_filter_action'), $abuse_filter.'.*,group_concat(afa_consequence) AS consequences', array(  ), __METHOD__, array( 'LIMIT' => 100, 'GROUP BY' => 'af_id' ),
[12:32:13] <Werdna>				array( 'abuse_filter_action' => array('LEFT OUTER JOIN', 'afa_filter=af_id' ) ) );
[12:32:52] <Werdna>	lines 315-318, SpecialAbuseFilter.php under the AbuseFilter extension on SVN, if you're interested.
[12:33:01] <Duesentrieb>	uh, somehow that doesn't mix with what's already there...
[12:33:11] <Duesentrieb>	bah. going to figure it out later.
[12:33:16] <Duesentrieb>	gotta run now
[12:33:20] <Werdna>	bye
[12:33:26] <exobuzz>	what database class is this ? custom for mediawiki ?
[12:33:53] <Duesentrieb>	exobuzz: yes.
[12:33:54] <Duesentrieb>	bye
[12:34:07] <exobuzz>	doesnt look easy to use
[12:35:17] <Werdna>	it's pretty good normally
[12:35:20] <exobuzz>	why not something like doctrine or propel etc ?
[12:36:44] <Werdna>	meh, we rolled our own
[12:38:02] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[12:38:09] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Sandbox
[12:39:49] *Splarka 	looksies
[12:39:56] <RobinR_>	Hello, how many free hard-disk-space does mediaWiki take?
[12:40:01] <RobinR_>	Excuse me for my bad english.
[12:40:41] *RobinR_ 	waits..
[12:40:54] <Werdna>	RobinR_: depends on how big the database is.
[12:41:12] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_on_a_stick
[12:41:33] <Splarka>	or if you imagine Robert DeNiro's voice in a threatening manner... "How much ya got??"
[12:41:50] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: looks like php, whatsit do?
[12:42:17] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: magic
[12:42:20] <RobinR_>	Werdna: But the standard mediawiki on the server?
[12:42:25] <Splarka>	or are you showing me the spiffy <source> there ^_^
[12:42:44] <Splarka>	hmmm, but anyone with a rabbit and tophat can do magic
[12:43:17] <Werdna>	andrew@gcentral_router:~$ du -skh mediawiki
[12:43:17] <Werdna>	82M     mediawiki
[12:43:24] <Splarka>	Nike (I see that is the short form of your nick, heh): I am not a developer, I am more of a proveloper
[12:43:43] <Werdna>	proveloper?
[12:44:04] <RobinR_>	..
[12:44:30] <Splarka>	Werdna: it means I make up words
[12:45:13] <RobinR_>	Can sum1 answer me please?
[12:45:59] <Splarka>	RobinR_: I've been waiting 2 years for an answer to my first question. But werdna already answered yours
[12:46:15] <Werdna>	Splarka: what question?
[12:46:47] <Splarka>	<RobinR_> Werdna: But the standard mediawiki on the server?
[12:46:47] <Splarka>	<Werdna> 82M     mediawiki
[12:47:05] <Splarka>	unless you mean my original
[12:47:11] <Splarka>	in which case I've long since forgotten it
[12:47:20] <Splarka>	I guess I'm stuck here until I remember
[12:47:25] <RobinR_>	wth is a "M"
[12:47:43] <Splarka>	damn, have to quote that
[12:48:59] <RobinR_>	-.-
[12:49:06] <Splarka>	megabyte
[12:49:11] <RobinR_>	ah thx
[12:57:05] <Nikerabbit>	CIA-53: M0000
[12:57:20] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36780 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
[12:57:20] <CIA-53>	* more generic check framework
[12:57:20] <CIA-53>	* new front page for Special:Translate
[12:57:20] <CIA-53>	* desc and descmsg support for mediawiki extension group definitions
[12:57:20] <CIA-53>	* possible fix for bug 14495
[12:57:21] <CIA-53>	* released version 9
[12:58:13] <Splarka>	I guess it is working, heh
[13:09:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A clean installation of Translate is not working - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14495  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:31:22] <Subfader>	sorry. must test if this works
[13:31:24] <Subfader>	ok :)
[13:52:15] <Werdna>	since when did we have a rev_parent_id field?
[13:55:06] <flyingparchment>	month or two i think?
[14:00:52] <CIA-53>	03werdna * r36781 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilter.i18n.php): Clean up code a little, tell users which filters they've matched, and don't display the 'disallowed' text if that's already being done by another action.
[14:04:01] <darkcode>	I could be wrong, but rev_parent_id if its in the core code, might of been intended to be eventually used to replace the current approach to subpages, just guessing based on some discussion that accord awhile back with regard to wikibooks' needs
[14:13:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) limit=50 on RC gives count set in preferences, not 50 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14659  (10RLUllmann)
[14:28:44] <JeLuF>	does anyone happen to know how to get the page load time chart in Opera? There was a chart somewhere that shows which page object takes how long to load.
[14:52:02] <ttyS3>	Hello I'm trying to install the CategoryTree extension on  MediaWiki 1.9.3 but I get the following error once I enable it: 
[14:52:04] <ttyS3>	Fatal error:  Call to undefined function wfLoadExtensionMessages() in /var/www/wiki/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreePage.php on line 28
[14:52:51] <ttyS3>	I only see this error when I try to access the Specialpages page
[15:09:50] <ImMortaL>	some1 here knows how to install texvc on mediawiki 
[15:09:51] <ImMortaL>	?
[15:10:02] <ImMortaL>	and add functions to the editor ..
[15:12:00] <svip>	How do I use <acronym> tags with MediaWiki?
[15:12:05] <ttyS12>	I'm trying to install the CategoryTree extension on  MediaWiki 1.9.3 but I get the following error once I enable it:
[15:12:11] <ttyS12>	Fatal error:  Call to undefined function wfLoadExtensionMessages() in /var/www/wiki/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreePage.php on line 28
[15:14:31] <svip>	:s Wikipedia seems to ignore my acronym tag.
[15:14:40] <svip>	s/wikipedia/mediawiki
[15:19:20] <ImMortaL>	lol
[15:19:31] <ImMortaL>	guys its hopeless:S
[15:37:53] <Alexfusco5>	ttyS12: You will need to use an older version of the extension, or upgrade to at least MediaWiki 1.11
[15:38:24] <Alexfusco5>	I recommend updating to 1.12 (if possible)
[15:38:50] <Alexfusco5>	for more information about the extension see
[15:38:58] <Alexfusco5>	!e CategoryTree | ttyS12 
[15:38:58] --mwbot--	ttyS12: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[15:44:42] <Subfader>	can anyone recommend a better all-in-all solution than xampp?
[15:46:43] <ImMortaL>	Alexfusco5
[15:46:50] <ImMortaL>	how can i install texvc
[15:46:59] <ImMortaL>	i did as the instructions says
[15:47:05] <ImMortaL>	and it still doesnt work
[15:47:12] <ImMortaL>	do u have any easy guide ? 
[15:47:26] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: is it an extension?
[15:47:45] <ImMortaL>	yeah for latex
[15:47:54] <ImMortaL>	math writing
[15:48:16] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: Idk where the instruction page is
[15:48:19] <Alexfusco5>	I'll look
[15:48:59] <Alexfusco5>	!e Blahtex | ImMortaL 
[15:48:59] --mwbot--	ImMortaL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Blahtex
[15:49:04] <Alexfusco5>	will that help?
[15:49:18] <ImMortaL>	sec
[15:50:06] <ImMortaL>	how do i install this?
[15:50:25] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: to install
[15:50:39] <Alexfusco5>	go to your extensions directory in a command line
[15:50:45] <Alexfusco5>	and type 
[15:50:57] <Alexfusco5>	svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Blahtex/
[15:51:13] <ImMortaL>	how do i get into my extrenstions directory
[15:51:14] <ImMortaL>	?
[15:51:33] <ImMortaL>	and a command line?!@#$
[15:51:40] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: type svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Blahtex/ while in your extension directory
[15:51:46] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: what OS?
[15:52:52] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: if your running windows, you need to install Subversion
[15:54:02] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: I'll give you the step by step instructions
[15:56:05] <Alexfusco5>	1) download and install subversion from http://www.collab.net/downloads/subversion/
[15:56:16] <Alexfusco5>	The command line only should be fine
[15:56:39] <Alexfusco5>	2) after you install subversion run cmd.exe
[15:57:47] <ImMortaL>	LINUX
[15:57:47] <Alexfusco5>	3) type cd <path to mediawiki install>/extensions 
[15:57:55] <ImMortaL>	but im in hosting service
[15:58:20] <ImMortaL>	the system isnt installed on my 
[15:58:23] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: does your host support SSH?
[15:58:33] <andrew22>	Hello....is it possible to modify category pages in the wiki to not show the default category template?
[15:59:01] <andrew22>	ex: hide the alphabetical listing of all articles pertaining to that category
[15:59:28] <Alexfusco5>	if it does download PuTTY from http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[15:59:42] <ImMortaL>	Alexfusco5 SSL u mean?
[16:00:03] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: no SSH
[16:00:17] <Alexfusco5>	for access to the server
[16:01:08] <ImMortaL>	let me check
[16:01:51] <Alexfusco5>	it probably does if its linux
[16:02:29] <andrew22>	Alexfusco5: When you get a chance, can you please review my question?
[16:02:41] <ImMortaL>	its linux but sec they will answer me in a few seconds
[16:03:18] <Alexfusco5>	andrew22: If you mean modify the text check Special:AllMessages for a MediaWiki page
[16:04:06] <Alexfusco5>	I think the actual structure is hard coded or may be controlled by configuration settings
[16:04:11] <Alexfusco5>	see ...
[16:04:23] <Alexfusco5>	!man Configuration_Settings | andrew22 
[16:04:23] --mwbot--	andrew22: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_Settings
[16:04:24] <andrew22>	oh
[16:04:35] <Alexfusco5>	and check if its there
[16:04:51] <andrew22>	in that case....since i only wat it applied to certain cateory pages (not all)
[16:05:02] <andrew22>	is it possible to create a script to parse a category page
[16:05:26] <andrew22>	ex: parse.php?title=category:dns
[16:05:37] <andrew22>	which will then return a DPL's organized version of category:dns
[16:05:39] <Alexfusco5>	andrew22: it should work
[16:06:08] <andrew22>	do any of those scripts exisit that I can reference?
[16:06:14] <ImMortaL>	'well
[16:06:18] <ImMortaL>	they said
[16:06:18] <ImMortaL>	We do not allow Telnet/SSH access to our systems for security reasons. However our techs will be more than happy execute commands for you on request. 
[16:06:24] <Alexfusco5>	andrew22: Idk
[16:06:29] <Alexfusco5>	oh
[16:06:32] <andrew22>	thx
[16:06:48] <ImMortaL>	what shall i tell them?
[16:06:56] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: okay then can you tell them to browse to your extensions directory
[16:07:22] <Alexfusco5>	which is at <mediawiki install path>/extensions
[16:07:38] <Alexfusco5>	then run the command svn co http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[16:07:42] <Alexfusco5>	errr
[16:07:46] <Alexfusco5>	not that command
[16:07:46] <ImMortaL>	tnx dude
[16:07:50] <ImMortaL>	huh
[16:07:52] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: wait
[16:08:11] <Alexfusco5>	I had the wrong url on my clip board
[16:08:11] <ImMortaL>	svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Blahtex/
[16:08:16] <ImMortaL>	this?
[16:08:17] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: yes
[16:08:18] <Alexfusco5>	 :)
[16:08:23] <ImMortaL>	k tnx bro
[16:08:26] <Alexfusco5>	np :)
[16:08:36] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: but thats not it
[16:08:55] <Alexfusco5>	you need to edit your LocalSettings.php
[16:09:10] <Alexfusco5>	and add
[16:09:33] <Alexfusco5>	require_once('extensions/Blahtex/Blahtex.php')
[16:10:02] <Alexfusco5>	But DO NOT add it until the svn co command has been executed
[16:10:14] <Alexfusco5>	thats it and will install the extension
[16:10:52] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: one problem I noticed :S
[16:11:12] <Alexfusco5>	svn co  http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Blahtex/
[16:11:50] <Alexfusco5>	you need to use the root repository
[16:11:54] <Alexfusco5>	sorry :(
[16:15:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki: Sidebar does not use i18n for entire menu or links if exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14677  +comment (10robin_1273)
[16:17:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Portal namespace in slovenian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14674   +shell (10robin_1273)
[16:19:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change author - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673   +shell; +comment (10robin_1273)
[17:14:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SQL Error on Type Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14543  +comment (10jlerner)
[17:26:57] <Dor>	Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/home/rvpilcom/public_html/Mirc-IL.com/w/extensions/inputbox/inputbox.php' (include_path='/home/rvpilcom/public_html/Mirc-IL.com/w:/home/rvpilcom/public_html/Mirc-IL.com/w/includes:/home/rvpilcom/public_html/Mirc-IL.com/w/languages:.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/rvpilcom/public_html/Mirc-IL.com/w/LocalSettings.php on line 128
[17:27:02] <Dor>	why did that happen?
[17:27:21] <Dor>	it does exist
[17:27:52] <maxjg>	it's in that directory, Dor?
[17:27:56] <Dor>	yes
[17:28:06] <Dor>	w/inputbox/inputbox.php
[17:28:53] <Dor>	require_once($IP.'/extensions/inputbox/inputbox.php');
[17:28:57] <FunPika>	WRONG
[17:28:58] <Dor>	that's in LocalSettings
[17:29:09] <FunPika>	w/extensions/inputbox/inputbox.php is right
[17:29:09] <toweri>	Dor: Remove the first /.
[17:29:16] <Dor>	FunPika, yeah
[17:29:24] <Dor>	it is there
[17:29:28] <Dor>	my bad :P
[17:29:40] <Dor>	toweri, it worked with it before
[17:29:53] <Dor>	maybe there's no access?
[17:31:36] <Dor>	nope there is access
[17:31:40] <Dor>	what's wrong?
[17:32:01] <Dor>	!inputbox
[17:32:01] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox
[17:32:52] <Dor>	anyone?
[17:34:02] <Dor>	boom
[17:34:05] <Dor>	found the problem
[17:34:12] <Dor>	the file really wasn't there
[17:34:25] <Dor>	the cache from my previous wiki showed it as if it were
[18:13:01] <svip>	Ugh.
[18:13:11] <svip>	MediaWiki gets quite slow when you have too many templates.
[18:33:30] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: styill on staff meeting?
[19:25:52] <svip>	Not only does it get slow, it also fails!
[19:26:01] <svip>	Would you look at this?
[19:26:01] <svip>	http://theinfosphere.org/Template:Ref
[19:28:36] <Duesentrieb>	svip: what are you trying to do?
[19:29:00] <Duesentrieb>	what triggers this problem?
[19:34:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change author - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673  (10smihael)
[19:40:18] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36782 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php README Translate.php): * 2008-06-29:2 Branched core messages now load translations from trunk files too
[19:44:22] <svip>	Duesentrieb:  I have several templates inside it.
[19:44:28] <svip>	Almost as if I was writing code.
[19:44:30] <svip>	Ooo!
[19:44:42] <Duesentrieb>	well yes. that may take some time. 
[19:44:43] <svip>	But apparently, parsing that much is a big deal, since it contains quite a bit of data.
[19:44:55] <Duesentrieb>	and it's a bad idea. 
[19:45:05] <Duesentrieb>	templates are not intended as a programming language
[19:45:21] <Duesentrieb>	write an extension if you need complex dynamic content
[19:45:23] <svip>	But the parser functions almost are.
[19:45:36] <Duesentrieb>	yes. alsmost (intentionally, not quite)
[19:45:39] <svip>	It's not complex enough to be satisfied by an extension.
[19:45:56] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's too complex for parserfunctions, as you see
[19:45:56] <svip>	It's a simple set of switches.
[19:46:09] <svip>	There just happens to be several switches.
[19:46:14] <Duesentrieb>	extensions are allowed to be simple :)
[19:46:36] <svip>	:S Hm.  I suppose.
[19:46:46] *svip 	strokes chin.
[19:46:54] <svip>	Maybe an extension won't be a bad idea.
[19:47:02] <Duesentrieb>	make a parserfunction
[19:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	hooking is a bit painfull (all the magicword cruft. we should get rid of that). but once you are over these three lines, it's rather nice :)
[19:47:50] <svip>	I know how to write extensions. ;)
[19:48:04] <Duesentrieb>	much the better
[19:48:09] <svip>	Indeed.
[19:48:15] <svip>	I am more thinking about how to write it.
[19:48:19] <svip>	And how to make it more dynamic.
[19:48:39] <svip>	Maybe make it useful for any Wiki that writes about TV shows.
[19:51:07] <White_Cat>	svip such wikis are the enemy of daleks and must be destoryed
[19:51:09] <White_Cat>	Exterminate!
[19:51:28] <White_Cat>	;)
[20:01:27] <Skizzerz>	TimStarling: might you be around?
[20:02:00] <Skizzerz>	if so, brion told me you were in charge of when 1.13 is being released, so do you have an estimate as to when as of yet?
[20:02:55] <CIA-53>	03tstarling * r36783 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: Remove hack for old APC bug that's fixed now. Was causing problems for DumpHTML (and probably other command line scripts) because $IP was not the same as dirname(__FILE__), causing double-inclusion.
[20:03:22] <TimStarling>	why do you ask?
[20:04:01] <Skizzerz>	someone else I know who is afraid of asking (idk why) wanted me to ask when it was coming out
[20:04:38] <Gomex>	Hi...
[20:04:43] <Duesentrieb>	oh, hey TimStarling. I hope you had a nice trip around the globe :)
[20:04:44] <Skizzerz>	hello
[20:04:45] <Alexfusco5>	Skizzerz: Tell them that they should run 1.13alpha :)
[20:05:02] <Gomex>	I am trying work with AuthDrupal...
[20:05:12] <Gomex>	Anyone here already did it?
[20:05:41] <Skizzerz>	Alexfusco5: because somehow, not having "alpha" at the end makes it seem more stable, even though our "releases" are just snapshots of the current trunk
[20:05:51] <Duesentrieb>	TimStarling: i implemented the PPCustomFrame stuff. have a peek if/when you like. I hope i got it right.
[20:06:08] <TimStarling>	Duesentrieb: ok
[20:06:21] <Alexfusco5>	Skizzerz: then change $wgVersion and remove "alpha"
[20:06:25] <Skizzerz>	TimStarling: so do you have an idea as to when or no?
[20:06:26] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: well, that's not completly true. there's a branch, a feature freeze, and some testing/reviewing, aka have it run wikipedia for a while.
[20:06:57] <Skizzerz>	fine, go into specifics :P
[20:07:05] <Alexfusco5>	Duesentrieb: Wikipedia and other WMF projects always run the trunk code anyway :P
[20:07:24] <Gomex>	Somebody could me help with AuthDrupal extension?
[20:07:32] <Duesentrieb>	Alexfusco5: not "the" trunk code. specific revisions that passed an eyeballing by brion.
[20:07:37] <TimStarling>	Skizzerz: I hadn't decided on an exact date just yet
[20:07:49] <Duesentrieb>	Alexfusco5: it's not like all commits go live automatically at midnight or something
[20:08:02] <Gomex>	I did everything intructions and dont work...
[20:08:25] <Gomex>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthDrupal#Instructions
[20:10:39] <Alexfusco5>	Duesentrieb: But Wikipedia never runs of the branch version :P
[20:11:00] <CIA-53>	03nikerabbit * r36784 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilter.i18n.php): 
[20:11:00] <CIA-53>	* Added missing desc message
[20:11:00] <CIA-53>	* Do not transform messages that are later parsed
[20:11:00] <CIA-53>	* Split paragrahps to shorter lines, svn is bad at tracking long lines
[20:11:03] <Alexfusco5>	at least since snapshot releases anyway
[20:11:16] <Duesentrieb>	Alexfusco5: actually, it does run the rc version before a release, afaik. not sure if it'S actually switched to the branch, but the code should be in sync
[20:12:05] <Alexfusco5>	Duesentrieb: thats test.wikipedia.org (if any)
[20:12:58] <Duesentrieb>	sure of that? 
[20:13:01] <Duesentrieb>	*shrug*
[20:14:06] <Gomex>	guys...
[20:14:33] <Gomex>	are there ways to do integration between Mediawiki and Drupal?
[20:14:36] <svip>	Woot, White_Cat?!
[20:14:42] <svip>	>:| My wiki is about Futurama.
[20:14:51] <svip>	If I may add; best TV show ever.
[20:15:29] <White_Cat>	I thought that was that prison break show
[20:15:37] <svip>	Ugh, no thanks.
[20:15:40] <White_Cat>	though the ending is right there in the title
[20:15:50] <White_Cat>	</Daily Show Parody>
[20:15:53] <svip>	lol
[20:16:22] <svip>	Mmm... Jon Stewart.
[20:16:38] <CIA-53>	03tstarling * r36785 10/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/dumpHTML.inc: Minor code cleanup
[20:16:40] <Duesentrieb>	Gomex: depends on what you mean by "integrate" i suppose. shared userbase is passible. single login probably also, but more tricky. making them look alike is possible too. more integration will get difficult.
[20:17:00] <svip>	Did you not see that the URL of the wiki was http://theinfosphere.org/ ?
[20:17:05] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: single login is my target
[20:17:22] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: i saw it > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthDrupal#Instructions
[20:17:31] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: but dont work...
[20:17:46] <Gomex>	is there other way to do it?
[20:18:04] <Duesentrieb>	Gomex: sure. write your own authentication plugin for drupal
[20:18:07] <Duesentrieb>	!auth
[20:18:07] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[20:18:34] <Duesentrieb>	that's what AuthDrupal does. if its broken or not quite what you want, write your own... or find an alternative one
[20:18:35] <CIA-53>	03tstarling * r36786 10/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/wm-scripts/queueController.php: 
[20:18:35] <CIA-53>	* Don't dump closed wikis (were crashing the dumper)
[20:18:35] <CIA-53>	* Only dump wikis that are still in wikipedia.dblist when the controller is restarted
[20:18:47] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: but already there is! > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthDrupal#Instructions
[20:18:59] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: But dont work with me...
[20:19:11] <Duesentrieb>	Gomex: but you said it doesn't work. so, fix it, or write your own, or talk to that extensions author.
[20:19:18] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: I wanna know if here somebody already did it...
[20:19:23] <Duesentrieb>	i don't know anything about drupal, and "doesn't work" is quite unspecific
[20:19:28] <Duesentrieb>	so i can't help
[20:20:08] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: Ok... i just think that could stay here, somebody that already did it...
[20:20:17] <Gomex>	Duesentrieb: so... Thanks...
[20:20:33] <CIA-53>	03tstarling * r36787 10/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/wm-scripts/index.inc: Adding Wikimedia's index.php to version control
[20:43:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add localizations hints to newly set up wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14681 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[20:46:15] <Japher>	quick question is there a way to have a page containing links print such that content of the links are also printed ?
[20:46:46] <nakon>	if it's an internal link, use {{:page}} instead of [[page]]
[20:47:49] <Japher>	thanks
[20:48:10] <Japher>	I knew there had to be a way to do it.. just wasn't seeing it
[20:51:11] <Japher>	hmm  that results in  Template:<link title>  but no text included
[20:54:04] <svip>	How does wfMsgForContent() work?
[20:56:01] <Splarka>	same as wfMsg() but doesn't translate to user's preference language, only the wiki's set content language?
[20:56:16] <svip>	Okay.
[20:56:34] <svip>	But are they accessible through MediaWiki:etc. ?
[20:57:11] <Splarka>	yah
[20:57:17] <svip>	:s Hm.
[20:57:22] <svip>	Why doesn't this work for me then?
[20:57:24] <Reedy>	To use POST on a page with action=submit, is anything special needed? (for editing)
[20:57:36] <svip>	Yes, Reedy.
[20:57:41] <svip>	The postcode or whatever it's called.
[20:57:46] <svip>	Splarka:  http://wiki.sviip.dk/Test:AppearRef
[20:58:03] <Reedy>	wpEditToken?
[20:58:03] <Splarka>	Reedy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Parameters_that_are_needed_to_save
[20:58:08] <Reedy>	etc
[20:58:09] <svip>	Yep, Reedy.
[20:58:55] <Splarka>	svip: have you set a default and repopulated the msg cache, or created the mw namespace page?
[20:59:06] <svip>	The latter.
[20:59:22] <Reedy>	Im trying to fix huggle
[20:59:22] <Reedy>	http://pastebin.com/d7b5fc3e5
[20:59:34] <Reedy>	All it gets in response, is the page, and nothing saved
[21:00:04] <Splarka>	svip: looks buggered ^_^
[21:01:08] <svip>	:(
[21:01:34] <Splarka>	(but you haven't posted your source so anyone who actually knows php can't help ya)
[21:01:55] <svip>	True.
[21:02:07] <Reedy>	wpRecreate - "in case the page was deleted after wpStarttime, this field confirms that the page is to be saved;"
[21:02:21] <Reedy>	so, that needs to be set aswell? but it currently isnt?
[21:02:32] <Splarka>	well, that is very rarely needed
[21:02:36] <Splarka>	scenario:
[21:02:45] <Splarka>	step 1: you click edit on an existing page
[21:02:53] <Splarka>	step 2: sysop deletes page before you click save
[21:03:03] <Reedy>	yeah, i understand why, im just meaning
[21:03:19] <Splarka>	step 3: you click save, and are taken to an interm page asking you to confirm if you really want to resave, because doing so often pisses off sysops to the point of banning
[21:03:20] <Reedy>	does it need to be there, as its listed under Parameters that are needed to save
[21:03:32] <Reedy>	"If the page was deleted after wpStarttime, the boolean option wpRecreate is also required."
[21:03:37] <Splarka>	the most common cause of this in my experience is when people try to add {{delete}} to pages after they've already been deleted
[21:04:05] <Splarka>	don't send it unless requested
[21:04:10] <Reedy>	right
[21:04:16] <Splarka>	it is needed to save only under very specific circumstances
[21:04:27] <Reedy>	thats fine, so what its passing, would seem, to be right at least
[21:05:17] <Reedy>	hmm
[21:05:22] <Reedy>	no wpSave is specified in the postback
[21:06:07] <svip>	Splarka: Let me post the source code.
[21:06:35] <svip>	http://pastebin.ca/1058466
[21:10:45] <Splarka>	all greek to me
[21:10:51] <svip>	:(
[21:11:22] <Splarka>	what is $page going to be in buildVariables there?
[21:11:39] <svip>	"AppearRef/episodes"
[21:11:48] <svip>	$page is what is supplied by one of the parameters.
[21:12:00] <Splarka>	and MediaWiki:AppearRef/episodes exists?
[21:12:05] <svip>	Yes.
[21:12:10] <Splarka>	(seems an odd thing to do...)
[21:12:17] <svip>	What seems odd?
[21:12:51] <svip>	Splarka http://wiki.sviip.dk/MediaWiki:AppearRef/episodes
[21:14:47] *Splarka 	shrugs, just does
[21:15:16] <Splarka>	(ask someone who knows php)
[21:18:07] <ImMortaL>	?
[21:18:58] <ImMortaL>	Alexfusco5 ?
[21:19:02] <ImMortaL>	Alexfusco5|Away
[21:19:02] <ImMortaL>	?
[21:19:03] <ImMortaL>	=\
[21:31:42] <ImMortaL>	i need help
[21:31:47] <ImMortaL>	installing texvc
[21:31:48] <ImMortaL>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Enable_TeX
[21:31:51] <ImMortaL>	some1?
[21:34:59] *Reedy_ 	smacks POST
[21:38:05] <svip>	Hm.
[21:38:40] <svip>	How do I make MediaWiki parse the output I've made through my extension?
[21:40:25] <Splarka>	svip: use a parser function, not a parser tag
[21:40:27] <Splarka>	or use #tag
[21:40:48] <svip>	o_O
[21:40:52] <svip>	I am using a hook.
[21:40:56] <Splarka>	yes yes, make the eyebrows
[21:41:05] <Splarka>	<thingy>this is not parsed</thingy>
[21:41:12] <Splarka>	{{#thingy:this can be parsed}}
[21:41:38] <svip>	Hm.
[21:41:54] <svip>	But can the tag be parsed?
[21:41:55] <Splarka>	an xml-style parser tag <thingy> produces output that does not get parsed by the parser, like <pre>, <timeline>, <math>
[21:42:14] <svip>	I remember reading you can tell it to parse it.
[21:42:25] <Splarka>	a parser function produces output that does get parsed, like {{#if}}, {{#special}}, {{urlencode}}
[21:42:38] <Splarka>	yes, using #tag, but if you mean for it to be parsed then just do a parser function
[21:42:54] <svip>	What difference is there?
[21:43:03] <svip>	Wait.
[21:43:04] <ImMortaL>	Splarka
[21:43:07] <svip>	I mean coding wise.
[21:43:11] <ImMortaL>	can u review my prob above
[21:43:15] <Splarka>	ImMortaL: no idea
[21:43:19] <ImMortaL>	damnit
[21:43:21] <Splarka>	{{#tag:pre|content|options}}
[21:43:28] <Splarka>	<pre options>content</pre>
[21:43:32] <ImMortaL>	u dont know how to install so <math> will work?
[21:43:37] <Splarka>	nope
[21:44:27] <Splarka>	svip: the thing is, you can do things in xml tags you can't do in parser functions, because of the sanitizer, tidy, etc, like preserve whitespace and linewrap
[21:45:07] <Splarka>	as well as have arbitrary text that might or might not have wikicode in it, for which you could write your own custom mini-parser to do whatever you want
[21:45:23] <Splarka>	what #tag does is let you fill that xml tag call, with post-parsed code
[21:45:40] <Splarka>	mostly useful for calling something like <inputbox> or <imagemap> with a template parameter
[21:46:10] <Splarka>	but when you do that you have to treat it somewhat carefully
[21:46:59] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Click?action=edit  <-- <imagemap> by parameter
[21:47:48] *Reedy_ 	smacks VB and Huggle
[21:52:43] <svip>	Hm, Splarka.  When does it parse, before or after I work with it?
[21:53:03] <ImMortaL>	check it
[21:54:18] <Splarka>	svip: which?
[21:54:26] <Splarka>	#tag? should be before
[21:54:45] <svip>	:( I want it to parse it afterwards.
[21:54:46] <Splarka>	note that #tag was an extension, that was merged into core a few months ago
[21:54:58] <Splarka>	well, then you want a parser function
[21:55:08] <svip>	Well, I have already converted it, Splarka.
[21:55:27] <Splarka>	(or you want to pass it through the parser, but apparently that can be inefficient and bad and stuff)
[21:56:30] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Parser_function_extensions
[21:56:40] <svip>	Splarka:  http://wiki.sviip.dk/Test:AppearRef  << Try viewing the source code.
[21:57:46] <svip>	It doesn't get into my switch thingie.
[21:58:34] <Splarka>	the #switch there is parsed before getting to your extension
[21:58:45] <svip>	That's exactly my problem.
[21:58:49] <Splarka>	parser functions are parsed from the inside out
[21:58:57] <svip>	:( Ugh.
[21:59:27] <Splarka>	sheesh, you want parsing and then you don't, make up your mind ^_^
[21:59:36] <svip>	I want it to parse.
[21:59:42] <svip>	But AFTER I parse.
[22:01:10] <Splarka>	well, you'll probably shoot me, but maybe you'll have to go back to an xml-style tag, and then call the parser afterwards just before outputting
[22:01:21] <Splarka>	or escape the input in a way that it can't parse
[22:02:01] <Splarka>	but your method seems a bit odd... you want your code to see literally ({{#switch:!type!\n|f=Film\n|e=Episode\n|s=Special Episode\n|=Error}})  ?
[22:02:24] <svip>	No.
[22:02:33] <svip>	I want !type! to be replaced by 'e' (in this example).
[22:02:39] <Splarka>	well
[22:02:57] <Splarka>	maybe you could put the parser function inside that #switch?
[22:03:38] <svip>	That could be a solution, but that would also be sort of ugly.
[22:04:04] <Splarka>	or invent a syntax for your parser function and perform the switch inside
[22:04:34] <svip>	Plausible.
[22:04:57] <Splarka>	but what you want seems, not possible with either parser functions or parser tags
[22:05:25] <Splarka>	although it might be with two functions or one of each
[22:05:48] <Splarka>	{{#pf1:{{#switch:{{#pf2}}|x=x|y=y}}|etc}}
[22:10:49] <Alexfusco5>	ImMortaL: ?
[22:12:12] <sazma>	Hi I was wondering if there was a way to use the API to get a simple list of "recent changes" since the start of a particular wiki?
[22:12:28] <sazma>	by "simple" i mean time/author/page
[22:13:55] <Splarka>	recent changes aren't saved perpetually
[22:14:15] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Recentchanges_table
[22:14:21] <sazma>	but each node has a history back to its beginning, right?
[22:14:40] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRCMaxAge
[22:14:48] <Splarka>	right, but it isn't aggregated site-wide
[22:15:01] <Splarka>	only per-page (history) and per-user (contributions)
[22:15:15] <sazma>	so I'd have to use sql to do what I want?
[22:15:18] <Splarka>	although (except in very rare cases) all the revision IDs are in order
[22:15:31] <Splarka>	so you could, hypothetically, with the API, just check every revision ID start at 1
[22:15:32] <ialex>	sazma: yes
[22:16:50] <sazma>	ok thanks
[22:16:52] <sazma>	:(
[22:18:02] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&revids=1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15   ... damn, left
[22:18:39] <ialex>	i have a nice sql query, but he left :(
[22:18:57] <Splarka>	people are impatient
[22:19:45] *ialex 	pokes CIA-53
[22:19:53] *ialex 	is impatient too
[22:19:57] <ialex>	:)
[22:20:30] <Reedy>	Splarka, "Special:Mypage/huggle.css"
[22:20:42] <Reedy>	doesnt seem to like using that special page
[22:20:52] <Reedy>	hard coded to my page and it works
[22:21:08] <Splarka>	that is mostly useful for links, like [[Special:Mypage/huggle.css]]
[22:21:50] <Reedy>	yeah, i suspect so, seems to be the case
[22:21:52] <Splarka>	as in: "Hello, to hide *whatever* add <code>whatever {display:none;} to your [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css|your css]] ~~~~"
[22:22:00] <Splarka>	^</code>
[22:22:01] <Reedy>	Ypu :)
[22:23:32] <Splarka>	some special pages only work as links, some only by directly visiting. Some allow URL parametrs, some require them, some require none. Some work with one slash parameter, some require them, some require none. Some allow transclusion, some don't. Some are listed in Specialpages, some aren't. Some have their own .php in /includes/specials/, some don't, some are core, some are extensions/
[22:23:37] <Splarka>	every special page is special
[22:24:17] <Reedy>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Huggle/GlobalConfig
[22:24:20] *Reedy 	blames Gurch
[22:30:37] <Reedy>	now
[22:30:45] <Reedy>	its if huggle deals with the namespaces..
[22:30:49] <Reedy>	actually
[22:30:58] <Reedy>	Splarka, "User:" thats mapped onto the locale isnt it?
[22:31:02] <CIA-53>	03ialex * r36788 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/findhooks.php: Added missing dirs (includes/db, includes/parser, includes/specials)
[22:31:03] <CIA-53>	03stipe * r36789 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mv_embed.css mv_embed.js): plugin selection offers default player as well as player selection
[22:31:03] <CIA-53>	03catrope * r36790 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (6 files): Fix regression from r36678: we can't use $this->dieUsageMsg() in a static method, so let's make ApiQueryBase::keyToTitle() and titleToKey() non-static.
[22:31:13] <CIA-53>	03catrope * r36791 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBase.php: Another regression from r36678: dieUsageMsg() expects an array, not varargs.
[22:31:20] <Reedy>	It is
[22:31:25] <Reedy>	hmm
[22:31:32] <Reedy>	But would that suffer from the same problem..
[22:31:42] <svip>	Hm, Splarka.  I mean, Cite and Poem does it.
[22:31:51] <svip>	They use <tags> and their content is parsed.
[22:34:43] <Splarka>	<poem> is a bit of a dirty hack
[22:35:15] <Splarka>	from what I've seen, it just changes line breaks, which are usually eaten by the parser, in to <br/>, and then passes the whole mess off to the regular parser
[22:35:28] <Splarka>	(so view the source to see how it does it)
[22:39:03] <ChrisiPK>	hi everyone
[22:39:25] <ChrisiPK>	i am looking for a way to find alle images that are not in one of the categories i define
[22:39:32] <ChrisiPK>	is there a way to do this with the api?
[22:40:54] <Danny_B>	special:specialpages uses groups defined in localsettings.php. now lot of stuff defined there is being set in initialisesettings.php on wmf wikis. what would be the definition to add new group to initialisesettings?
[22:41:03] <Danny_B>	(if even possible)
[22:43:52] <CIA-53>	03daniel * r36792 10/trunk/extensions/ContactPage/SpecialContact.php: use wfSetupSession when message is submitted. Hopefully fixes captcha problem
[22:46:17] <CIA-53>	03daniel * r36793 10/trunk/extensions/ContactPage/SpecialContact.php: use wfSetupSessision as soon as captcha is shown
[22:46:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=query should report redirects explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:47:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=query should report redirects explicitly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14675  (10roan.kattouw)
[23:34:13] <Alexfusco5>	does anyone have any idea how to fix this error "Error creating thumbnail: /home/testwiki/htdocs/html/w/bin/ulimit4.sh: line 4: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory"
[23:34:52] *Alexfusco5 	pokes TimStarling and ^demon
[23:35:42] <TimStarling>	you could put some file there
[23:36:21] <Alexfusco5>	it's only been happening recently though :S
[23:36:31] <Alexfusco5>	there was no file there in the past
[23:36:35] <Alexfusco5>	any ideas?
[23:36:58] <TimStarling>	what sort of recently?
[23:37:38] <Alexfusco5>	TimStarling: since the server transitioned from debian to ubuntu
[23:37:57] <TimStarling>	are you using a package?
[23:38:41] <Alexfusco5>	for what, I don't have root access, I only have shell access to my directories
[23:38:57] <TimStarling>	MediaWiki
[23:39:12] <Alexfusco5>	TimStarling: I run 1.13alpha
[23:39:23] <Alexfusco5>	r36793
[23:39:34] <TimStarling>	so "no"?
[23:39:39] <Alexfusco5>	no
[23:39:49] <Alexfusco5>	sorry for being unclear
[23:40:18] <OverlordQ>	imagemagick not installed?
[23:40:26] <Alexfusco5>	if I remove $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";  from LocalSettings.php will it work?
[23:40:36] <TimStarling>	I think it's pretty much impossible to get that error unless you have $wgUseImageMagick=true
[23:40:51] <Alexfusco5>	I'll check
[23:41:14] <Alexfusco5>	flase now and I'll check if it works, thanks TimStarling :)
[23:44:12] <svip>	:(
[23:44:21] <svip>	Now my Wiki won't stop loading.
[23:59:43] <marchelly>	bb.