[00:00:50] <YurtleTheTurtle>	The custom tag is to strip new lines from parse functions. When the output comes to the browser it leave category tags and (last I cheked) [[Foo]] was correctly rendered properly.
[00:01:11] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Let me give regular links a try.
[00:01:39] <Splarka>	if so, how about [[Image:]] and an interlang or interwiki (if you have any set up) ?
[00:04:01] <DeFender1031>	hi, how do i make it possible to upload other file types?
[00:04:53] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Add to localsettings.php array_push($wgFileExtensions, 'FILE TYPE');
[00:05:12] <YurtleTheTurtle>	That may be the outdated way I'm not sure, but it works still.
[00:05:59] <Splarka>	if you have simple mime detection on you may need to extend it too
[00:06:24] <Splarka>	also, some file types are blacklisted beyond that, and may need removal from the blacklist
[00:06:41] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgStrictFileExtensions  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileBlacklist
[00:07:18] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Splarka: I did a few test cases, and they all worked when the code is contained within the tag. The issue is when the tag is returning a value for the category name.
[00:08:32] <Splarka>	are you doing a parser tag <foobar> or parser function {{#foobar}} ?
[00:09:05] <YurtleTheTurtle>	{{#tag:foo|bar}} as the tag has template vars inside it.
[00:09:19] <DeFender1031>	Splarka, i'm guessing rar is blacklisted... how do i remove it?
[00:09:37] <Splarka>	rar doesn't look blacklisted
[00:09:57] <DeFender1031>	hmm... then why isn't it working?
[00:10:02] <Splarka>	array_push it to the $wgFileExtensions as YurtleTheTurtle said
[00:10:25] <Splarka>	mm, possibly disable mime detection if it is enabled
[00:10:26] <DeFender1031>	i added it to $wgFileExtensions = array( directly
[00:10:30] <CIA-54>	03brion * r36827 10/trunk/extensions/TitleKey/rebuildTitleKeys.php: fix for path
[00:10:41] <Splarka>	Yurtle: what syntax are you using?
[00:10:49] <Splarka>	[[Category:{{#tag:foo|bar}}]] ?
[00:11:04] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Yep
[00:11:09] <Splarka>	ew
[00:11:14] <YurtleTheTurtle>	[[Category:Test {{#tag:striplines| eh hem}}]] to be specific
[00:11:31] <Splarka>	you might try registering a parser tag and parser function
[00:11:33] <YurtleTheTurtle>	well not exactly, its more like [[Category:Test {{tempalte}}]]
[00:11:41] <Splarka>	{{#striplines}} as well as <striplines>
[00:11:46] <YurtleTheTurtle>	and the template containes the #tag, tag
[00:11:58] <Splarka>	(not sure if that would work)
[00:12:03] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Alright I'll give it a try
[00:12:10] <Splarka>	but also, check if {{urlencode:}} works in that syntax
[00:12:20] <Splarka>	and if it does, then that might be a good bit of code to steal
[00:12:36] <Splarka>	(a core parser function, don't be fooled by the lack of hash)
[00:12:41] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Thanks
[00:13:12] <Splarka>	/includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php
[00:13:31] <Splarka>	(well, in 1.13, in 1.12 it is in /includes)
[00:14:10] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgVerifyMimeType set?
[00:14:16] <YurtleTheTurtle>	urlencode dose work in that syntax. I'll convert my function now.
[00:15:17] <Splarka>	Yurtle: your extension seems kind of odd as an xml tag anyways, because it would rely on direct user input, when its real use would be as a template parameter 
[00:15:35] <Splarka>	(even though there is always #tag, it is an extra step)
[00:16:05] <Splarka>	usually the point of xml tags is to preserve newlines, like <pre>, <poem>, etc
[00:17:24] <YurtleTheTurtle>	It was more so set-up to make ParseFunctions more readable. At the moment I'm the only one who can deciper a 3 page, single line template. But your right.
[00:17:51] <DeFender1031>	where would it be set if it was?
[00:20:08] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: if it isn't in your localsettings then it is true
[00:20:22] <Splarka>	try maybe "$wgVerifyMimeType= false;" temporarily to see if it works
[00:22:34] <DeFender1031>	no change
[00:22:46] <DeFender1031>	still can't upload rar
[00:23:53] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Splarka: Changeing it from a tag to a Parser did the trick. Thank you.
[00:24:05] <YurtleTheTurtle>	DeFender, your host isn't blocking it is it?
[00:24:28] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Sure its a problem with MediaWiki?
[00:24:40] <DeFender1031>	YurtleTheTurtle, my host in localhost
[00:24:43] <DeFender1031>	is*
[00:24:54] <YurtleTheTurtle>	proably not then :)
[00:25:05] <DeFender1031>	you got it
[00:26:01] <VenomousNinja>	Hey
[00:26:13] <ObsidianX>	hey folks, im trying to make a link label on my wiki page so i can reference the page#label somewhere else without having to make == categories == and the editor keeps on translating my <a> tag to &lt;a&gt;
[00:26:19] <ObsidianX>	how can i force it to see the html?
[00:26:51] <VenomousNinja>	Hey, do you guys know where I can suggest new wiki ideas?
[00:27:23] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Obsidian I belive there is an anchor extension.
[00:27:39] <YurtleTheTurtle>	That should do what your looking for without exposing you to HTML injection.
[00:27:45] <DeFender1031>	VenomousNinja, you may want to try a wiki hosting site such as wikia
[00:28:05] <ObsidianX>	YurtleTheTurtle: alrighty, thanks :)
[00:28:26] <VenomousNinja>	DeFender1031: Yes, but I know there was a way to suggest new wikis for the wikimedia foundation.
[00:28:57] <DeFender1031>	not as such
[00:29:01] <Splarka>	ObsidianX: use id=""
[00:29:21] <DeFender1031>	and this channel is not affiliated with that foundation, it's just support for the software they use
[00:29:32] <Splarka>	<span id="foobar"></span>  works in all major browsers like an <a name="foobar" /> with  #foobar
[00:29:37] <DeFender1031>	VenomousNinja, wikia is run by many of the people who also staff wikimedia
[00:29:42] <DeFender1031>	VenomousNinja, /join #wikia
[00:29:47] <DeFender1031>	ask there
[00:29:53] <ObsidianX>	Splarka: ahh alright, thank you, too :)
[00:29:53] <VenomousNinja>	-_-
[00:30:15] <VenomousNinja>	So, your basically saying you can't help me, Defender?
[00:30:19] <DeFender1031>	YurtleTheTurtle, curious much?
[00:30:26] <Splarka>	all major = all browsers made in the last ~8 years or so
[00:30:39] <DeFender1031>	VenomousNinja, i'm saying go to #wikia and ask there (i'm there too, but it's off-topic here)
[00:31:03] <ObsidianX>	Splarka: haha
[00:31:06] <Ve^Nin>	Mhm, but that isn't technically part of the mediawiki foundation, isn't it?
[00:31:21] <Splarka>	there is no mediawiki foundation ^_^
[00:31:22] <ObsidianX>	damn, so no ie4 support :(
[00:31:22] <YurtleTheTurtle>	DeFender1031: Yep :) but I'm intrested in wikia becasue they have contacted my wiki a few times trying to convert us.
[00:31:24] <DeFender1031>	ask there to find out
[00:31:29] <DeFender1031>	they'll know more than me
[00:31:32] <DeFender1031>	i'm just a lurker
[00:32:04] <DeFender1031>	Ve^Nin, also, the foundation is wikimedia, not mediawiki
[00:32:22] <DeFender1031>	wikimedia is an organization, mediawiki is a piece of software
[00:32:22] <Splarka>	Wikimedia is the foundation that runs Wikipedia/Wiktionary/wikisource/wikiquote, etc etc. MediaWiki is the software they created as an open source project, that many use... this channel then is just a support channel for the software, you might try #wikimedia
[00:33:35] <Splarka>	lesse, the ID attribute is HTML4...
[00:34:44] <DeFender1031>	so Splarka, any other idea on why it isn't working?
[00:35:23] <Splarka>	how big is it? what error do you get?
[00:36:18] <Splarka>	there are many reasons for an upload to fail
[00:38:06] <DeFender1031>	there is no error, I press submit, and it just empties the form
[00:38:28] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Splarka: Will adding error_reporting(E_ALL); work? I'm not sure if MediaWiki will reset this or not.
[00:40:48] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: are you running from file:// or http://localhost ?
[00:41:06] <CIA-54>	03simetrical * r36828 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Wrap comments to 79 chars, not some arbitrary number. Fix a typo in a comment. Add some escaping that's probably unnecessary but makes me feel better.
[00:41:06] <Splarka>	Yurtle: no idea, ask someone who knows php ^_^
[00:41:40] <DeFender1031>	localhost
[00:41:48] <DeFender1031>	why would i use file://?
[00:41:54] <YurtleTheTurtle>	:) well that would work but I didn't know if mediawiki sets its own error reporting level.
[00:42:14] <Splarka>	Def: *shrug*... can you upload *any* file?
[00:42:15] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Is it brining you back to the upload window?
[00:42:18] <DeFender1031>	YurtleTheTurtle, is that directed at me?
[00:42:29] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Yes, sorry
[00:45:21] <DeFender1031>	YurtleTheTurtle, yes
[00:45:24] <DeFender1031>	Splarka, yes
[00:45:33] <Splarka>	of similar size?
[00:46:17] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Alright I just set-up my test wiki and uploaded a rar OK by just adding array_push($wgFileExtensions, 'rar'); to localsettings. No error means its probably a PHP issue. Let me look really quick.
[00:47:30] <Splarka>	the 100 meg default limit is only for copying from URL, the upload limit (memory limit and POST sizes) in your php.ini may be lower
[00:48:26] <DeFender1031>	my PHP file size limit is 20MB
[00:48:31] <DeFender1031>	the RAR is well below that
[00:48:39] <YurtleTheTurtle>	What is post_max_size?
[00:51:00] <DeFender1031>	post_max_size = 20M
[00:52:24] <YurtleTheTurtle>	add print_r($GLOBALS); to the bottom of your localsettings, then search for [_FILES], is the array populated?
[00:52:37] <YurtleTheTurtle>	(Search for files in the web output)
[00:54:18] <DeFender1031>	before you said that I restarted Apache
[00:54:27] <DeFender1031>	now I get: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 28378327 bytes) in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/Sanitizer.php on line 1039
[00:54:42] <YurtleTheTurtle>	How big is this file?
[00:54:51] <DeFender1031>	well under 20M
[00:55:23] <DeFender1031>	also, notice that the amount it tried to allocate is less than the allowed size
[00:56:12] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Yep thats typical. One second, I think this is an issue with the memory_limit let me look.
[00:57:52] <CIA-54>	03simetrical * r36829 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Tweak code style a little more: add more escaping and make the default value for $class clearer. Add some comments, rename poorly-named variables, use lowercase for reserved words.
[00:57:58] <DeFender1031>	okay, I just doubled the amount of RAM PHP is allowed to use
[00:58:07] <DeFender1031>	it's working now
[00:58:33] <DeFender1031>	Upload warning: * It is recommended that files are no larger than 150 KB; this file is 13.53 MB.
[00:58:38] <YurtleTheTurtle>	How much did you up it to?
[00:58:46] <DeFender1031>	I figure\ with all the RAM I have, who cares if PHP can now use up to 256MB
[00:58:52] <YurtleTheTurtle>	You can remove that warning if you like, I'm not sure what the config's name is though.
[00:59:18] <DeFender1031>	meh, the warning isn't as annoying as not being able to upload...
[00:59:32] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I can imagine. Good luck with the rest of your site.
[00:59:42] <DeFender1031>	thanks
[00:59:46] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Now I have to fix my damn extra lines...
[00:59:59] <DeFender1031>	and thankjs for helping me track it down
[01:00:27] <YurtleTheTurtle>	It seems to be what I do all day with my clients. Take care.
[01:11:45] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Splarka you still around?
[01:11:56] *Splarka 	twitches
[01:12:01] <Splarka>	a bit
[01:12:39] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Heh, I'm having anothe wikicode issue with that tag. Let me strip the example down really quick.
[01:12:59] *Charitwo 	eats CIA-54
[01:13:00] *CIA-54 	tastes crunchy
[01:13:38] <YurtleTheTurtle>	the code {{#ifeq: {{{foo|0}}} |1 | <BR>3 [[bar|foobar]] |}} contained within the custom tag, only returns <BR>3, but the same code not in the tag returns the link as it shuold.
[01:13:40] <amidaniel>	o.O
[01:14:56] <Splarka>	thatsa odd
[01:15:32] <YurtleTheTurtle>	ya. I just tried replacing the | with {{!}} and it also didn't work.
[01:15:40] <Splarka>	what about just [[bar]] ?
[01:15:58] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Please hold.
[01:16:30] <Splarka>	or something like: {{#if:{{{foo|}}}|yes [[bar]]|no [[bar]]}}  *holding now*
[01:17:52] <CIA-54>	03simetrical * r36830 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: More comments, refactor for less code duplication.
[01:18:04] <Simetrical>	I should spend a rainy day refactoring and commenting Linker.php.
[01:18:15] <Simetrical>	Or a non-rainy day, since honestly it's not like I leave the house anyway.
[01:20:29] <Simetrical>	Some of it's fine, actually.
[01:22:09] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Splarka: No to your test case, and no to mine. (Links are rendered in neither) Additionally, if both cases are in at the same time it is only recognizing the first one.
[01:22:43] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Now if I remove the new-lines by hand (what the tag is doing), I get more screwy results...
[01:22:55] <Splarka>	then you're doing something screwy, heh
[01:23:19] <Splarka>	how about just [[Foo]] compared to {{#if:1|[[Foo]]}} ?
[01:23:46] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Heh, its not reading the tag correctly. Its translating [[Live food]] yes into a link to /live_food with the text Live Foodyes
[01:24:34] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Time to expand it and look for missing braces
[01:24:43] <Splarka>	hmm
[01:24:55] <Splarka>	yikes, are you parsing the code yourself?
[01:25:03] <Splarka>	(hopefully not, heh)
[01:25:12] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I dont quite follow.
[01:25:23] <Splarka>	I mean, you aren't trying to write your own link parser are you?
[01:25:37] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Oh no.
[01:25:40] <Splarka>	okay
[01:25:51] <Splarka>	you can use Special:ExpandTemplates with the xml parse tree option to see the preprocessor logic
[01:25:55] <Splarka>	might find a clue there
[01:32:00] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Hmmm, so when did [[foo]]bar become a link to foo with label foobar ?
[01:32:10] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Never knew that.
[01:32:15] <DeFender1031>	IIRC a while ago
[01:32:24] <DeFender1031>	helps for things like [[plural]]s
[01:32:36] <DeFender1031>	and [[suffix]]ation
[01:32:43] <DeFender1031>	(which isn't a word)
[01:32:45] <YurtleTheTurtle>	ah, learn somthing new everyday.
[01:32:49] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I was going to say :)
[01:33:05] <DeFender1031>	woah... stux is a regfular here?
[01:33:11] <DeFender1031>	gerular*
[01:33:14] <DeFender1031>	er
[01:33:21] <DeFender1031>	damn i can't type today
[01:38:13] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Did you know how to use ExpandTemplates? Its giving me an HTML comment in place of the missing link.
[01:38:53] <Splarka>	btw, that [[Foo]]bar -- it is called a LinkTrail
[01:39:26] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Ah alright.
[01:39:31] <Splarka>	it depends on content-language and behaves differently in different languages
[01:39:41] <Splarka>	for example, rtl languages or languages without spaces
[01:40:31] <Splarka>	mostly useful for changing tense or pluralizing some simple topics like "[[kill]]ing [[river]]s"
[01:40:54] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Poor rivers
[01:41:03] <Splarka>	and it's been around for quite a while, but was recently redone by Dantman
[01:41:28] <Splarka>	eg, '''[[foo]]''' and [[bar
[01:41:36] <Splarka>	]]'s won't linktrail (in english anyway)
[01:41:45] <YurtleTheTurtle>	its just a feature I never used.
[01:41:54] <Splarka>	sorry, distraction, what was the html comment?
[01:42:23] <Splarka>	{{#if:1|[[Foo]]}} gives:
[01:42:24] <Splarka>	<root><template><title>#if:1</title><part><name index="1"/><value>[[Foo]]</value></part></template></root>
[01:42:34] <YurtleTheTurtle>	<!--Link 0 -->
[01:42:37] <Splarka>	<template> is generic for any double brace action
[01:42:55] <Splarka>	odd
[01:43:07] <YurtleTheTurtle>	And using the tag extension works.
[01:43:14] <Splarka>	more odd
[01:43:16] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Guess I'll be using both of them for various purposes.
[01:43:58] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Its gotta be an order of operation issue with the parser
[01:44:11] <Splarka>	you might ask a mw nerd like Simetrical or Werdna to look over your source for obvious errors
[01:44:37] <bit|afk>	Hi, is there a function that does math calculation with variables?
[01:45:02] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I'd be more then happy, but the souce code for both the tag and the parser extension are the same.
[01:45:39] <Splarka>	bit|afk: #expr in the ParserFunctions extension
[01:45:57] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions
[01:46:20] <bit|afk>	oh, thanks. didn't notice that... i'm looking at that page
[01:46:27] <Splarka>	{{{1|0}}} inches is {{#expr:{{{1|0}}} * 2.54}} centimeters
[01:46:44] <YurtleTheTurtle>	wikicode is so sexy :o
[01:46:51] <bit|afk>	what's {{{1|0}}}
[01:46:57] <Splarka>	{{{1}}} is the first parameter
[01:47:03] <YurtleTheTurtle>	parameter 1 with the default of 0
[01:47:04] <bit|afk>	or no parameter?
[01:47:08] <Splarka>	if that template was Template:Foo it would be X where {{foo|X}}
[01:47:12] <Splarka>	and |0 is the fallback
[01:47:17] <Splarka>	if {{foo}}
[01:47:19] <bit|afk>	ya
[01:47:28] <Splarka>	when doing math you always want fallbacks
[01:47:49] <Splarka>	that still doesn't prevent bad input though, {{#expr:Z * 2.54}}  would return a <strong> error msg
[01:47:55] <Splarka>	but you can catch that with #iferror (see on same page)
[01:49:53] <bit|afk>	what's Z have to do with <strong>?
[01:49:57] <bit|afk>	the html tag right?
[01:50:03] <Monobi>	I have restricted viewing my wiki unless you have an account
[01:50:10] <Monobi>	However, you can still see it via the api
[01:50:23] <Monobi>	With ?action=parse& ....
[01:50:27] <YurtleTheTurtle>	OKay one tempalte down, 15 more to go.
[01:50:32] <Monobi>	How do I disable that, also? Unless someone is logged in
[01:50:46] <Splarka>	{{#expr:4 * 2.54}} {{#expr:Z * 2.54}} returns:
[01:50:54] <Splarka>	10.16 <strong class="error">Expression error: Unrecognised word "z"</strong>
[01:51:00] <Splarka>	Z is just bad input as an example, bit
[01:51:09] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Monobi: Not sure if there is an offical way but you can always just add a line to localsettings to die if they send that command.
[01:51:13] <bit|afk>	oh Z is null, got it
[01:51:17] <Splarka>	Monobi: disable the API
[01:51:28] <Monobi>	Splarka, I don't want to :-(
[01:51:43] <Monobi>	That's the only way?
[01:52:30] <Splarka>	well, if you don't restrict *everything*, then it isn't very secure...
[01:52:49] *Splarka 	is not sure if there is a 'logged in only' API setting officially supported though
[01:53:36] <Splarka>	but even if you die the action=parse, they can still get the wikicode via the API
[01:53:57] <Splarka>	what you'd wanna do is check their logged in status I suppose, but then &callback would not work
[01:54:27] <bit|afk>	thanks for the help Splarka!
[01:54:42] <Monobi>	Splarka, ah, that sucks, but okay
[01:54:45] <brasil>	hello all.
[01:55:39] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Hello
[02:06:24] *YurtleTheTurtle 	yawns
[02:10:54] *amidaniel 	pours YurtleTheTurtle a cup of coffee
[02:12:01] *Charitwo 	rubs CIA-54's tummy
[02:12:01] <CIA-54>	*purr*
[02:12:10] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Ugg I get enough of that at work, no more coffee
[02:13:19] *DeFender1031 	wonders what happens if you rub somewhere else...
[02:14:35] <Alexfusco5>	DeFender1031: try then :P
[02:14:42] *Alexfusco5 	kicks CIA-54
[02:14:42] <CIA-54>	ow
[02:14:48] *Alexfusco5 	kills CIA-54
[02:14:49] *CIA-54 	dies
[02:14:49] *DeFender1031 	rubs CIA-54's arm
[02:15:04] *DeFender1031 	rubs CIA-54's shoulder
[02:15:06] *Alexfusco5 	rubs CIA-54
[02:15:13] <DeFender1031>	hmm
[02:15:15] *Alexfusco5 	rubs CIA-54's tummy
[02:15:15] <CIA-54>	*purr*
[02:15:16] <DeFender1031>	nope
[02:15:22] *Charitwo 	eats CIA-54
[02:15:22] *CIA-54 	tastes crunchy
[02:15:43] *Alexfusco5 	wonders how many there are
[02:15:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Transclusion of Special pages not working with filter/ limits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14692 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (cameronem)
[02:15:52] *Alexfusco5 	steps on CIA-54
[02:15:58] <Charitwo>	there are 5
[02:16:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transclusion of Special pages not working with filter/limits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14692  (10cameronem)
[02:16:29] <Alexfusco5>	kicks, kills, rubs tummy, eats & ?
[02:16:39] <Alexfusco5>	Charitwo: whats the 5th
[02:16:49] <Charitwo>	hugs
[02:17:04] *Alexfusco5 	hugs CIA-54
[02:17:04] *CIA-54 	hugs Alexfusco5
[02:17:09] *DeFender1031 	hugs CIA-54 
[02:17:10] *CIA-54 	hugs DeFender1031
[02:17:13] <Alexfusco5>	figures
[02:17:17] <DeFender1031>	damn! you beat me
[02:17:26] *DeFender1031 	kisses CIA-54 
[02:17:33] <DeFender1031>	...
[02:17:45] <DeFender1031>	well now i just look like a moron kissing a bot...
[02:29:08] <Splarka>	...
[02:39:44] <jisatsu>	has anyone ever considered adding basic image editing (like rotating/cropping) features to file-uploads? just a random thought I had
[02:48:47] <Mookie>	pywikipedia scripts appear to work only with certain instances of mediawiki. Grr, I was hoping to use them with my own wiki.
[02:53:17] <jlerner>	Mookie: pywikipedia is cranky sometimes but it should work with most any mediawiki site
[02:53:19] <jlerner>	what do you need it to do?
[02:56:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create "Liber" namespace on Latin Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14693 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jayvdb)
[02:57:32] <Mookie>	jlerner:  ummm, category changes, edit pages (maybe with regexp), stuff like this.
[02:57:49] <jlerner>	you should be able to use replace.py no problem
[02:57:58] <jlerner>	just follow the directions to set it up for your wiki
[02:58:15] <Mookie>	jlerner: I'm having trouble getting it to see the scripts. PYTHONPATH makes the most sense to me..
[02:58:30] <jlerner>	are you on the command line?
[02:58:32] <Mookie>	yes
[02:58:45] <jlerner>	just cd to wherever you extracted pywikipediabot
[02:58:52] <jlerner>	and run python replace.py
[02:58:55] <jlerner>	but you should login first
[02:58:59] <Mookie>	ah
[02:59:03] <jlerner>	and before that, set up the family file
[02:59:07] <jlerner>	and user-config.py i think
[02:59:28] <Mookie>	Yeah. The family file is where I threw my hands up last night.  Heh.
[03:00:03] <jlerner>	it can be frustarting
[03:00:10] <jlerner>	pastebin your familes file
[03:01:41] <Mookie>	ah, I see... the README has a template for me.
[03:08:12] <stahnma>	I am getting a couple errors after a recent mediawiki migration
[03:08:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted pages do not remove themselves from the watchlist (WP) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14686  (10raymieX)
[03:08:19] <stahnma>	I have a "Failed to parse (Can't write to or create math temp directory)"
[03:09:02] <stahnma>	I tried to chmod some directories 
[03:09:07] <stahnma>	but didn't get very far
[03:11:37] <stahnma>	I googled also, but didn't see anything other than permissions 
[03:12:57] <stahnma>	hmm, it might be a mysql dump error
[03:14:47] <stahnma>	I think I fixed it
[03:55:13] <chequers>	hi, I'd like to modify a little part of mediawiki and I'm wondering where to look
[03:55:46] <chequers>	the 'breadcrumbs' at the top of pages in a folder hierarchy (eg Tools/Editor) show up as "< Tools | Editor"
[03:55:59] <chequers>	I'd like to change the |'s to <'s, where do I look for this?
[03:56:30] <CIA-54>	03demon * r36831 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/Wiki.php): Pass $mediaWiki object to MediawikiPerformAction hook.
[03:56:33] <^demon>	chequers: That _might_ be hardcoded.
[03:56:37] <^demon>	Give me a moment.
[03:56:57] <chequers>	well, I suspect it is, I can't see any conf variable to change it
[03:57:20] <chequers>	I figure I just need to change one character in a single PHP file though, which is why I'm bothering to want to change it
[04:00:13] <^demon>	chequers: It's in Skin.php. The method "subPageSubtitle()" is what you're looking for.
[04:00:45] <chequers>	thanks
[04:00:51] <^demon>	Around lines 880-920.
[04:01:31] <chequers>	I think changing this is a Good Idea for all wikis, do you think it's worth submitting a Feature Request w/patch?
[04:02:14] <^demon>	chequers: Go for it. If you can come up with a good patch, I'll gladly commit.
[04:02:20] <Splarka>	would make some sense to have them as wfMsg() instead of ' | ' and '&lt; '
[04:02:58] <Splarka>	under the heading in MessagesEn.php:
[04:02:59] <Splarka>	# Separators for various lists, etc.
[04:03:20] <^demon>	MediaWiki:Breadcrumbseparator?
[04:03:20] <Splarka>	and it probably should be translatable, but not translated, if that makes sense
[04:03:30] <Splarka>	no, breadcrumb is a user invented phrase
[04:03:38] <^demon>	Splarka: It'd be an ignored message. Only grabbed if actually modified.
[04:03:43] <Splarka>	call them subpage-separator and subpage-prefix or such
[04:03:55] <Splarka>	demon: I mean, not localized to all MessageXx.php
[04:04:10] <Splarka>	 # only translate this message to other languages if you have to change it
[04:04:12] <Splarka>	etc
[04:04:14] <^demon>	Splarka: That's what I mean. 
[04:04:18] <Splarka>	well that's what I mean to
[04:04:23] <Splarka>	lets disagree to agree
[04:04:24] <^demon>	Then we agree :-P
[04:04:29] <Splarka>	no, lets agree
[04:04:33] <^demon>	I disagree.
[04:04:47] *chequers 	's brain asplodes
[04:05:17] <^demon>	It's after midnight here, been up since 630, brain's a little tired.
[04:06:01] <Splarka>	'subpages-prefix'     => '&lt ', # only translate this message to other languages if you have to change it
[04:06:02] <Splarka>	'subpages-separator'  => ' | ', # only translate this message to other languages if you have to change it
[04:06:20] <chequers>	how do you slice a string in PHP?
[04:06:25] *chequers 	wants to get all but the first character
[04:07:16] <Splarka>								$subpages .= wfMsgHtml( 'subpages-separator' );
[04:07:18] <Splarka>								$subpages .= wfMsgHtml( 'subpages-prefix' );
[04:07:26] <Splarka>	in the 4 appropriate places, I'd wager
[04:07:42] <chequers>	actually, a nice enhancement to the breadcrumbs would be to have the first item in the list as Main_Page
[04:08:03] <^demon>	Splarka: If you guys conjure up a patch, ping me tomorrow.
[04:08:09] <^demon>	I'm off for tonight.
[04:08:14] <Splarka>	patch it yourself
[04:08:19] *Splarka 	lazy
[04:08:44] <Splarka>	but wfMsgHtml allows html entities appropriately
[04:08:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add $mediaWiki object to 'MediawikiPerformAction' hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14689  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[04:09:16] <^demon>	And with that, I'm gone.
[04:09:47] <chequers>	ta for the help
[04:09:58] <^demon|sleep>	np.
[04:10:03] <Splarka>	not off!
[04:12:17] <chequers>	is substr() a sane function to use, or does it break on internationalised characters or something?
[04:19:28] *chequers 	settles for just changing the '|' to '&lt;'
[04:31:33] <chequers>	is there a plugin that can go through a database and update all links that point to a redirect?
[04:33:22] <OverlordQ>	AWB
[04:35:58] <chequers>	I can't find that on the mediawiki site, can you point me to it?
[04:38:14] <OverlordQ>	not really a plugin, more of a tool
[04:38:24] <OverlordQ>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AWB
[04:41:26] <chequers>	thanks for the link, can you suggest anything that works on linux (or better: is a PHP script I can run to do it for me)
[05:47:49] <CIA-54>	03dale * r36832 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js: rewrite_by_id ordering fixes
[06:27:27] <ai3gtmc>	hi
[06:27:41] <ai3gtmc>	anyone here?
[07:02:09] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) archive-bots probably will fail on blocked links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14691  +comment (10email_metawiki_138)
[07:02:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagged bots to have exeption from spamlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13706  +comment (10email_metawiki_138)
[07:09:39] <Ne_Lublu_Padonka>	Somebody speak russian here?
[07:11:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create "Liber" namespace on Latin Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14693   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[07:15:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create "Liber" namespace on Latin Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14693  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[07:43:13] <derenrich>	Look at the disambig link on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=64431581 , is that behavior a known bug?
[07:45:15] <OverlordQ>	?
[07:49:05] <OverlordQ>	nice of him to stick around
[07:49:46] <Splarka>	"that behavior" ?
[07:50:25] <Splarka>	because he didn't specify a page id or title, the page is assumed to be the "Main Page", and as such, it gets the main page's stylings, such as no title
[07:50:32] <OverlordQ>	I think he might have meant how the otheruses template links to Main Page, and I was going to mention no title in the URL
[07:50:52] <Splarka>	heh
[07:51:23] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=64431581&title=foo
[07:51:28] <Splarka>	var wgTitle = "Foo";
[07:51:34] <Splarka>	<body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Foo">
[07:51:42] <Splarka>	<h1 class="firstHeading">IBM</h1>
[07:51:55] <Splarka>	that is probably not expected behavior, but not really a "bug"
[07:52:35] <Splarka>	I suppose it means you can use any page's per-page css or js by specifying a &title that gets overridden
[08:07:01] <bunk>	I have a problem at an own MediaWiki 1.12.0 installation: sections with headings with nonstandard names (not interface messages?) are not displayed
[08:07:27] <bunk>	is this a known problem or PEBKAC?
[08:07:53] <bunk>	(it is not a caching problem)
[08:20:23] <OverlordQ>	nonstandard names?
[08:21:51] <bunk>	it was an even different problem:
[08:22:39] <bunk>	** link text instead of ** target|link text
[08:23:15] <bunk>	if I had gotten empty sections instead of nonexisting sections it would have been more obvious...
[08:27:37] <OverlordQ>	ah heh :)
[08:29:30] <bunk>	I've updated http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Sections_disappear_or_show_unexpected_content
[08:35:41] <OverlordQ>	Oooh sidebar, ok :)
[08:35:54] <OverlordQ>	I thought you meant article sections
[08:38:52] <bunk>	it was so obvious to me ;) that I forgot to mention it...
[08:54:40] <CIA-54>	03jojo * r36833 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/pdf-server/README.txt: added deprectation notice about pdfserver.py
[09:04:26] <Inez>	anyone in uk?
[09:17:55] <Dor>	I have set a protection level "trusted"
[09:18:23] <Dor>	what do I edit on MediaWiki: so that it will appear
[09:18:41] <Dor>	"The requested article can only be edited by trusted users"
[09:18:43] <Dor>	or such
[09:26:08] <CIA-54>	03jojo * r36834 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.php README.txt): change default value for $wgPDFServer to mw-serve running on code.pediapress.com. adjusted README.txt.
[09:26:09] <janolap1>	Hi, I would like to create a link from a mediawiki page to a resource on a windows serveur (without a web server). Is it possible to create such a link with [\\myserver\myressource.doc] ?
[09:29:10] <Duesentrieb>	!filelink | janolap1
[09:29:10] --mwbot--	janolap1: I don't know anything about "filelink".
[09:29:15] <Duesentrieb>	damn
[09:29:19] <Duesentrieb>	!fileurl | janolap1
[09:29:19] --mwbot--	janolap1: To allow local file:///xxx links, use $wgUrlProtocols[] = "file:"; See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols for more information. Beware that several browsers do not allow file urls on pages loaded via http. Also note that most browsers do not support "remote file" urls like file://server/share
[09:29:23] <Duesentrieb>	here we go :)
[09:29:49] <janolap1>	Wahooo ! Thank you !
[09:30:07] <Duesentrieb>	janolap1: basically, making mediawiki support it is easy enough. making your browser support it may nto be so simple.
[09:30:23] <janolap1>	Ok, i'll try...
[09:30:41] <guyvdb>	I'm looking for Tim Starling =)
[09:31:04] <domas>	good for you!
[09:31:23] <Duesentrieb>	guyvdb: he's in australia and yetlagged. it's anyone's guess when he'll be awake :)
[09:31:30] <guyvdb>	okay
[09:31:32] <Duesentrieb>	jetlagged of course
[09:31:33] <Duesentrieb>	damn :P
[09:31:34] <guyvdb>	what's his irc name
[09:31:44] <Duesentrieb>	TimStarling
[09:31:51] <guyvdb>	figures :)
[09:31:57] <guyvdb>	what about Geoffrey T. Dairiki
[09:32:09] <domas>	I'm also jetlagged
[09:32:11] <domas>	and I'm here!!!1
[09:32:43] <Duesentrieb>	hey domas :) like to have a look at my changes to CategoryPage.php? I fiddeled with the query. 
[09:33:10] <domas>	did you make it slower? :)
[09:33:16] <domas>	does it uses sorting and temptables now?
[09:34:04] <CIA-54>	03jojo * r36835 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/README.txt: added missing link
[09:36:54] <mark>	you are jetlagged?
[09:37:39] *Werdna 	tickles domas 
[09:38:15] <mark>	I guess the advantage of not being able to sleep in airplanes is that afterwards you're so exhausted that you can then sleep using a normal schedule as planned ;)
[09:38:42] <Werdna>	mark: I love that :)
[09:38:54] <Werdna>	Especially when I deliberately made myself tired by not sleeping night before flight
[09:39:02] <Werdna>	then I met cute girl on flight, didn't sleep.
[09:39:11] <domas>	mark: slept until 11am
[09:39:12] <domas>	:)
[09:39:19] <Werdna>	so by the time I got to new york, I'd done 55 hours with 1 hour of sleep
[09:39:22] <domas>	so probably jetlag isn't that bad
[09:39:38] <Splarka>	1609 meter club?
[09:39:44] <Splarka>	^high
[09:39:56] <Werdna>	No, I had a girlfriend. No mile high club for me.
[09:40:03] <mark>	domas: I woke up at 9 am and I'm fine
[09:40:08] <mark>	8.30 actually
[09:47:13] <Dor>	why doesn't {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} change when I edit a new page?
[09:48:33] <Splarka>	is it in the main namespace, have at least one link, and is not a redirect? (I think those are the requirements, the link might be ignored now though)
[09:48:41] <Dor>	main
[09:48:45] <Dor>	yes
[09:48:47] <Splarka>	try {{NUMBEROFOAGES}} too
[09:48:54] <Splarka>	also, try &action=purge on the page that has those
[09:49:02] <Splarka>	er {{NUMBEROFPAGES}}
[09:49:10] <Dor>	but the thing is
[09:49:14] <Dor>	when I edit and preview
[09:49:17] <Dor>	it is updated
[09:49:27] <Dantman>	Cached data!
[09:49:33] <Dor>	tried it
[09:49:35] <Dor>	isn't that
[09:50:08] <Dor>	Splarka, {{NUMBEROFPAGES}} gives me the number of all pages in all namespaces
[09:50:11] <Dor>	about 83
[09:50:17] <Dor>	and I don't that that
[09:50:29] <Splarka>	...
[09:50:36] <Dor>	don't want that*
[09:50:38] <Splarka>	well see if it increments when you create new pages
[09:50:46] <Dor>	it doesn't
[09:50:49] <Dor>	that's the problem :)
[09:50:50] <Splarka>	put both it and OFARTICLES}} on a page, purge, create a new page, purge
[09:51:04] <Splarka>	(purge the page with the magic words, not the new one you created, that is)
[09:51:22] <Dor>	purge worked
[09:51:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create "Liber" namespace on Latin Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14693  (10jayvdb)
[09:51:29] <Dor>	but what does purge means?
[09:51:32] <Dor>	mean*
[09:51:57] <Splarka>	it means "get rid of cached data"
[09:52:06] <Splarka>	some things are immediately cached
[09:52:17] <Splarka>	if you have [[foo]] on a page, and such a page doesn't exist, it is a broken/red link
[09:52:19] <Dor>	so I'll have to purge the main page each time I creat a new article?
[09:52:31] <Dor>	create*
[09:52:35] <Splarka>	if you create [[foo]], then all the links to foo get auto-updated to change it to a blue link
[09:52:44] <Splarka>	some things are purged by the job queue
[09:53:01] <Splarka>	if you have a template with a [[Category:Foo]] on page [[Foo]], it will be in that category
[09:53:22] <Splarka>	if you edit the template to point to Category:Bar, it will show Category:Bar at the bottom of Foo, but.. it won't appear on the category listing immediately
[09:53:24] <Dor>	unless I <noincluded> it
[09:53:41] <Dor>	I c
[09:53:47] <Splarka>	the job queue will get around to it (on a small wiki almost immediately, on a big one it can take days)
[09:54:06] <Splarka>	what the job queue does is null edit everything the template includes and all associated categories and images, etc
[09:54:11] <Splarka>	basically purges
[09:54:11] <Splarka>	now
[09:54:27] <Splarka>	somethings never get magically purged, like certain statistical and time-based magic words
[09:54:39] <Splarka>	this would be inefficient
[09:54:41] <Dor>	so I gotta purge them manually
[09:55:00] <Dor>	who can purge?
[09:55:06] <Splarka>	for something like {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}, you'd basically have to invalidate the cache of every page, every time something was edited
[09:55:23] <Dor>	okay
[09:55:23] <Splarka>	for {{CURRENTTIME}}, you'd have to invalidate the cache on every view of that page, which would be silly
[09:55:31] <Splarka>	if you don't like that, don't use them ^_^
[09:55:33] <Splarka>	or, don't use cache
[09:56:00] <Dor>	huh
[09:56:08] <Dor>	who can &action=purge?
[09:56:12] <Splarka>	anyone
[09:56:16] <Splarka>	anon users must POST
[09:56:21] <Dantman>	Well
[09:56:29] <Dor>	so basically
[09:56:30] <Splarka>	(when they purge they get a "are you sure?" interstitial screen)
[09:56:31] <Dantman>	Anyone without the 'purge' permission must use post
[09:56:35] <Dor>	I can make a very simple bot
[09:56:41] <Dor>	to purge every now and then?
[09:56:52] <Splarka>	or you can put a link next to {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}
[09:57:03] <Dantman>	I gave anon users 'purge' on my demo wiki
[09:57:07] <Dor>	{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is a link itself
[09:57:12] <Splarka>	[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} refresh this stat]
[09:57:14] <Dor>	what's anon users?
[09:57:23] <Dor>	oh
[09:57:24] <Splarka>	geez
[09:57:26] <Splarka>	read the faq
[09:57:30] <Dantman>	heh
[09:57:32] <Splarka>	mediawiki.org is there for you
[09:57:42] <Dor>	!anon
[09:57:42] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "anon".
[09:57:44] <Dantman>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['purge'] = true;
[09:57:47] <Dor>	!anon users
[09:57:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "anon".
[09:57:51] <Splarka>	stop!
[09:57:56] <Splarka>	/query mwbot
[09:57:56] <Dor>	okay
[09:58:00] <Splarka>	spam it in private
[09:58:04] <Dor>	lol
[09:58:04] <Dantman>	heh
[09:58:08] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html
[09:58:12] <Splarka>	or read that, that is everything
[09:58:24] <Splarka>	it isn't for people to ask for help on for themselves
[09:58:29] *Dor 	pets mwbot
[09:58:31] <Dor>	besides that
[09:58:33] <Dor>	:)
[09:58:33] <Splarka>	it is for experienced people to show help with, who are too lazy to alt-tab
[09:58:57] <Splarka>	so when someone comes in, 20 times a day, and asks how to block anon editing...
[09:59:07] <Splarka>	!access | joeblow
[09:59:07] --mwbot--	joeblow: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[10:08:37] <CIA-54>	03grondin * r36836 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[10:08:37] <CIA-54>	Adding 2 extensions to Translate features
[10:08:37] <CIA-54>	* Random Users With Avatars
[10:08:37] <CIA-54>	* Wiki Text Logged In Out
[10:08:37] <CIA-54>	Internationalisation File for Wiki Text Logged In Out extension.
[10:25:40] <CIA-54>	03mkroetzsch * r36837 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_String.php: escape some more MW interpreted characters in Type:Code
[10:28:10] <ierpe>	Hi, how is it possible to have this error: Call to undefined function wfGetDB() in /srv/www/sports-wiki.net/extensions/GeoIp/GeoIp.php on line 85  ?? when wfGetDB is used everywhere and is working fine
[10:29:30] <ierpe>	im making a ip redirection extension
[10:29:54] <ierpe>	my treatment comes into the LocalSettings.php, maybe it should be executed somewhere else
[10:29:59] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[10:30:13] <[KrusheR]>	is it possible to set a bot up to delete images unused for X time?
[10:33:49] <[KrusheR]>	is it even possible for a bot to delete images or tell how long a image has been unused? :P
[10:35:07] <OverlordQ>	afaik there's not a way
[10:35:09] <ierpe>	i dont think so
[10:35:30] <ierpe>	theres no date linked to when a picture was seen for the last time
[10:35:39] <ierpe>	as far as i know...
[10:35:41] <archivist>	access time
[10:36:04] <[KrusheR]>	well i guess i'll just delete the unused images every week or so
[10:36:15] <ierpe>	why would you delete pics anyway... aybe they'll be used again later
[10:36:20] <OverlordQ>	ierpe: did you not global?
[10:36:26] <archivist>	define unused
[10:36:42] <[KrusheR]>	some users upload images and give them no use
[10:36:43] <ierpe>	what do you mean did i not global?
[10:36:53] <[KrusheR]>	or just delete a page but not theimages
[10:37:44] <OverlordQ>	oh wait function not the db var nm
[10:38:48] <_wooz>	lo
[10:39:23] <ierpe>	and if i include the GlobalFunctions.php in my file, then another error comes up saying that the $wgLoadBalancer is not a correct object for getConnection( $db, true, $groups );
[10:39:42] <ierpe>	in the function &wfGetDb
[10:41:44] <OverlordQ>	probably dont have it in the right place
[10:42:10] <OverlordQ>	*wrong
[10:42:12] <OverlordQ>	err nm
[10:42:31] <ierpe>	yeah
[10:42:33] <[KrusheR]>	anyway, is there a tutorial or something regarding mediawiki bots?
[10:42:41] <Dor>	not official
[10:42:44] <Dor>	as far as I know
[10:42:45] <ierpe>	but i tried to put my includes in the joinerSettings
[10:42:54] <ierpe>	same pb
[10:43:05] <OverlordQ>	it needs to be in the hook not in the body
[10:43:06] <ierpe>	i have to do this redirection in the LocalSettings anyway
[10:43:46] <ierpe>	The first problem is that I shouldnt get that: Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfGetDB() in /srv/www/sports-wiki.net/extensions/GeoIp/GeoIp.php on line 83
[10:44:15] <ierpe>	or it means that the GlobalFunctions.php is included after the LocalSettings.php... ?
[10:44:51] <OverlordQ>	it means extensions depend on hooks, you can't call them directly from LocalSettings
[10:45:11] <ierpe>	hmm
[10:45:23] <ierpe>	but im just calling one method of it
[10:45:44] <ierpe>	i have a table with all countries and related ip
[10:45:50] <Dor>	How can I do that when a new user registers to my wiki
[10:46:04] <Dor>	it will write something to him in his user discussion?
[10:46:12] <Dor>	an automatic message
[10:46:23] <ierpe>	you should mial him
[10:46:25] <ierpe>	mail
[10:47:51] <ierpe>	but if I put a hook in the LocalSettings.php, at the end of the day it will do the same thing
[10:50:24] <ierpe>	Why cant I call a function from an extension in the localsettings... that doesnt make sens
[10:50:41] <OverlordQ>	yes it does
[10:51:57] <OverlordQ>	extensions either make special pages, parser functions, magic words, or trigger on hooks
[10:52:11] <OverlordQ>	if you call it directly from LocalSettings most of MW isn't setup yet
[10:52:32] <ierpe>	so how do you do it?
[10:52:46] <domas>	just register an init function
[10:52:59] <ierpe>	?
[10:53:04] <ierpe>	sorry i dont know what you mean
[10:54:34] <ierpe>	...
[10:57:05] <ierpe>	then how can i do my redirection? if i put it in the skni.php or something like that i will end up in a redirection loop
[10:57:26] <ierpe>	it has to be executed in the LocalSettings.php
[10:58:35] <ierpe>	Can i get the db object without using the functions from GlobalFuntions.php
[10:58:36] <ierpe>	?
[10:59:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Setup new group @ hr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13939  (10dalibor.bosits)
[11:06:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) setup autopatrol group @ hr.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14694 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (dalibor.bosits)
[11:08:56] <ierpe>	So how do you do when you want to access the database while still in the localsettings.php ?
[11:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) setup autopatrol group @ hr.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14694   +shell; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:10:22] <CIA-54>	03grondin * r36838 10/trunk/extensions/ (EditUser/EditUser.php PasswordReset/PasswordReset.php): moving trois extensions in users special pages category
[11:14:30] <ierpe>	Splarka , Simetrical , flyingparchement , Duesentrieb , Oh mighty wiki gods, do you know how to do when you need to access the Database from the localsettings.php and it doesnt work because most of the other files arent loaded?
[11:14:40] <ierpe>	yet
[11:14:43] <ierpe>	^^
[11:16:14] <Duesentrieb>	write a function to to what you want. add the function's name to $wgExtensionFunctions[]. then it will be called when things are set up. this is what domas meant by "just register an init function", i suppose
[11:17:39] <ierpe>	ok
[11:17:43] <ierpe>	thx! ^^
[11:18:02] *Splarka 	looks around on Mount Wikilympus, wondering what he's doing up here? goes back down to the valley to be a golden calf instead
[11:19:40] <ierpe>	hmm but its to make a redirection...
[11:20:08] <ierpe>	how will i call it in the localsettings then?
[11:21:19] <Duesentrieb>	you don't.
[11:21:30] <Duesentrieb>	you register it. mediawiki calls it.
[11:21:34] <ierpe>	ok i will try now but i dont think its gonna work
[11:21:46] <Duesentrieb>	you can trigger a redirection at any point of execution
[11:21:52] <ierpe>	because its to do a geo ip redirection extension
[11:22:02] <ierpe>	ok
[11:22:11] <domas>	ierpe: there're various hooks you can use
[11:22:17] <domas>	read up on hooks.txt or whatever
[11:22:19] <ierpe>	then i just write $wgExtensionFunctions['myfunction']  ?
[11:22:26] <ierpe>	i did already..
[11:22:33] <domas>	yay
[11:22:36] <ierpe>	k
[11:22:40] <domas>	anyway, localsettings is for setting up settings and stuff
[11:22:45] <domas>	not for calling anything you don't have
[11:23:01] <Duesentrieb>	ierpe: use $wgGlobal->redirect($url)
[11:23:02] <CIA-54>	03huji * r36839 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Removing movepage-moved, using movepage-page-moved in its place. The former was actually a bolded version of the later.
[11:23:07] <Duesentrieb>	err.
[11:23:10] <Duesentrieb>	$wgOut->redirect
[11:23:14] <Duesentrieb>	and don't forget to global it
[11:23:20] <ierpe>	but im doing an extension that redirects you on the page of your country depending of your ip
[11:23:28] <CIA-54>	03grondin * r36840 10/trunk/extensions/ (ImportUsers/SpecialImportUsers.php LookupUser/LookupUser.php): moving two extensions in users special pages category
[11:23:37] <ierpe>	only if you didnt precise a domain name
[11:23:45] <Duesentrieb>	ierpe: perhaps look into the polyglot extension. it already does something very similar
[11:23:50] <ierpe>	ok
[11:24:15] <domas>	Duesentrieb: you got me shocked for a while
[11:24:19] <ierpe>	i have my table with all ip / countries , everything is working fine, my problem is just that i cant call it where i want
[11:24:30] <Duesentrieb>	domas: oh? how so?
[11:24:39] <domas>	$wgGlobal
[11:24:43] <domas>	I was a bit in 'wtf?!!?'
[11:24:43] <Duesentrieb>	>_<
[11:24:45] <Duesentrieb>	sorry :)
[11:25:11] <Duesentrieb>	i was thinking "$wgOut, and make it global", and my fingers couldn't keep up :)
[11:26:06] <Duesentrieb>	domas: did you peek at CategoryPage? I basically added a left join with the new category table, so i have access to memebr counts of subcategories. i hope this has no terribly effects on performance.
[11:27:04] <domas>	:(
[11:27:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Categorylinks table should use category ID rather than category name in cl_to field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13579  (10nicdumz)
[11:29:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) name mainpage and mainpage-description consistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14695 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (codeispoetry)
[11:32:36] <Duesentrieb>	hm... using wgMsg with htm loutput means the message is raw html, right? no parsing, no escaping?
[11:32:49] <Duesentrieb>	would it be better than to use wfMsgWikiHtml? Or is that terribly slow?
[11:32:52] <Nikerabbit>	yes, but transformed
[11:33:01] <Duesentrieb>	"trasformed" means what exactly?
[11:33:09] <Nikerabbit>	{{ -> fire up the parser
[11:33:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) name mainpage and mainpage-description consistently - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14695  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[11:34:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) name mainpage and mainpage-description consistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14695  (10raimond.spekking)
[11:34:15] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: so, {{PLURAL}} would work?
[11:34:26] <Nikerabbit>	would... but doesn't
[11:34:31] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[11:35:11] <Duesentrieb>	ok, let me ask this differently. if i directly generate html output, what version of wgMsgXX would i use?
[11:35:12] <Nikerabbit>	wfMsg+transform pulls translation, but parses them content language
[11:36:02] <Duesentrieb>	i have some messages that need to allow full html, but must should be based on wiki syntax. 
[11:36:08] <Duesentrieb>	and i need to get back html.
[11:36:12] <Duesentrieb>	so, what do i use?
[11:36:19] <Nikerabbit>	uh?
[11:36:47] <Nikerabbit>	you mean parameters are html?
[11:36:50] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: i'm building html output. my messages are (potentially) wikitext. what wgMsg function is The Right One to use?
[11:36:55] <Duesentrieb>	parameters? no.
[11:37:16] <Duesentrieb>	there are no parameters usually. if there are, they are "plain", so i'd have to escape them
[11:37:18] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: well, do you use wgOut?
[11:37:22] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[11:37:35] <Duesentrieb>	hm... but not always directly
[11:37:42] <Nikerabbit>	$wgOut->addWikiMsg( 'name' ) is best if you can do it
[11:37:54] <Duesentrieb>	hm, actually, only somtimes. not when building ajax output etc
[11:38:11] <Duesentrieb>	i can use that on the special page, but not for tag output
[11:38:20] <Duesentrieb>	for tag output, what would i use?
[11:38:47] <Nikerabbit>	uhm
[11:39:18] <Nikerabbit>	wfMsgExt( 'name', 'parse') if you want i18ned wikitext block
[11:39:55] <Nikerabbit>	wfMsg(NoTrans) if you are using xml functions
[11:40:06] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[11:40:10] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[11:40:20] <Nikerabbit>	hah hei
[11:40:34] <Duesentrieb>	the messages are wikitext. i want to get back inline html.
[11:41:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) setup autopatrol group @ hr.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14694  (10dalibor.bosits)
[11:41:32] <Nikerabbit>	and then you output it with echo or something?
[11:42:45] <Duesentrieb>	i return it from my function
[11:43:01] <Duesentrieb>	the result may be used with wgOut->addHTML, or with an AjaxResult object
[11:43:19] <Nikerabbit>	I'm bad at guessing
[11:43:42] <Nikerabbit>	maybe you mean wfMsgExt with parseinline, but it has some caveats
[11:43:46] <Duesentrieb>	don't guess, answer my question :)
[11:44:34] <Nikerabbit>	I can't if I don't know what you need
[11:45:16] <Duesentrieb>	"the messages are wikitext. i want to get back inline html."
[11:45:54] <Nikerabbit>	define inline html :o
[11:46:11] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r36841 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update and fixes.
[11:46:14] <Duesentrieb>	not a block
[11:46:19] <Nikerabbit>	piece of text that is not surrounded by a block element?
[11:46:28] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. the parser shouldn'Ät assume "start of line" or whatever
[11:46:33] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[11:46:48] <Duesentrieb>	in most cases, it should simply pass the text through
[11:46:53] <Duesentrieb>	because there's no formatting
[11:47:07] <Duesentrieb>	but if there is formatting, wikitext should be turned into html
[11:47:47] <Nikerabbit>	well, use the parseinline with wfMsgExt then
[11:48:24] <Nikerabbit>	but be aware that it has weird behaviour with multiline messages
[11:48:40] <Duesentrieb>	don't think that can ever happen
[11:49:05] <Duesentrieb>	hm... what does wgMsgWikiHTML do different, then?
[11:49:09] <Duesentrieb>	does it generate a block?
[11:50:35] <Duesentrieb>	grr, this is driving me nuts!
[11:50:50] <Nikerabbit>	prolly
[11:51:12] <Duesentrieb>	what's the appropriate function to use with  Xml::option( xx )?
[11:55:29] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: wfMsg, altough wfMsgNoTrans would be better
[11:55:43] <Duesentrieb>	why, and why?
[11:56:15] <Duesentrieb>	that would allow full html code in the messages, right?
[11:56:23] <Nikerabbit>	no!
[11:56:35] <Nikerabbit>	almost all xml functions escape everything
[11:58:04] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: hm... ok. i guess :)
[11:58:09] <Duesentrieb>	thanks
[12:00:42] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: addWikiMsg adds block boundaries :( that's useless...
[12:01:48] <Duesentrieb>	hm... maybe wrapWikiMsg would work?
[12:02:12] <Nikerabbit>	not really
[12:03:14] <Duesentrieb>	no? but it does seem to work.
[12:03:25] <Duesentrieb>	it doesn't wrap each message in a block
[12:03:46] <Duesentrieb>	though it still wraps the whole thing in a block. which is quite annyoing
[12:04:28] <Duesentrieb>	so... i'd use $wgOut->addHtml( wfMsgExt('foo', 'parseinline') );
[12:04:36] <Duesentrieb>	isn't that pretty slow?
[12:04:56] <Nikerabbit>	yes if you are going to call it thousands of times
[12:05:32] <^demon>	Morning everyone *waves*
[12:05:39] <Duesentrieb>	not a thousand, but perhaps 200 times (once for every entry in a category listing)
[12:05:45] <Duesentrieb>	maybe even twice per entry...
[12:05:52] *Werdna 	tickles Duesentrieb 
[12:06:02] *Duesentrieb 	falls to the floor
[12:06:13] <Nikerabbit>	:E
[12:06:19] <Nikerabbit>	and you really have to have wikitext in it?
[12:06:32] <Duesentrieb>	no. but {{PLURAL}} should work
[12:06:50] <Nikerabbit>	well, use parsemag then :)
[12:07:10] <Duesentrieb>	if that's sufficient and faster...
[12:07:19] <Werdna>	there's a better way to do it....
[12:07:23] <Werdna>	what message are we using?
[12:07:32] <Nikerabbit>	yeah... just use english!
[12:07:39] <Duesentrieb>	\o/
[12:07:45] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: what do you mean?
[12:07:48] <^demon>	Hardcoded english is the best way :-P
[12:07:57] <Werdna>	What message is it that you're talking about?
[12:08:08] <Werdna>	As far as I know, you can pre-parse a message, and then do the replacement multiple times.
[12:08:34] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: you can't do that for plural
[12:08:49] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: how would this work with {{PLURAL}} which depends on parameter values?
[12:09:49] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: but how would I do that, if i wanted to?
[12:10:05] <Werdna>	If the parameter value changed, then it wouldn't work terribly well.
[12:10:19] <Werdna>	let me see..
[12:10:30] <Werdna>	of course, you could always hack it.
[12:11:09] <Werdna>	If you want PLURAL, then parse it once with a parameter of 1, once with a parameter of 2, and use them manually
[12:11:35] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: there are three parameters.
[12:11:40] <Duesentrieb>	makes 9 combinations :)
[12:12:14] <Werdna>	meh
[12:12:22] <Werdna>	better than doing it a zillion times.
[12:12:25] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: by the way... how does PLURAL handle 0? Zero stands with plural in most languages... but does it in all?
[12:12:35] <Werdna>	Anyway, look at SpecialIpblocklist.php, starting at line 294.
[12:13:03] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: mostly goes to some plural form
[12:13:20] <Nikerabbit>	there isn't really that many cases where 0 is passed to it
[12:14:18] <Nikerabbit>	if any
[12:17:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MainPage cannot be edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14640  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:28:26] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: if i want to remove extension messages, do i have to remove them in all languages, or is it sufficient to remove the english messages?
[12:30:11] <Nikerabbit>	doesn't matter
[12:30:23] <Nikerabbit>	it will disappear from translation exported from betawiki
[12:33:16] <Duesentrieb>	so it uses en as the basis, not a combination of all languages?
[12:40:44] <Extend>	guys
[12:42:54] <Nikerabbit>	and girls
[12:43:11] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: en of course
[12:45:09] <Extend>	i have a problem
[12:45:14] <Extend>	i can upload and see images
[12:45:25] <Extend>	but if i previewed what i wrote
[12:45:32] <Extend>	but when i save the page and check it
[12:45:39] <Extend>	the image tries to load then disappears
[12:45:55] <Extend>	i checked the upload path permissions it's ok 
[12:46:06] <Extend>	there is no problem but i don't know really what is the problem
[12:51:46] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: look into the html source, find the image's address, and try to load it directly
[12:53:57] <Extend>	location is OK
[12:54:14] <Duesentrieb>	does it load?
[12:54:44] <Extend>	the image location loads in browser
[12:54:56] <Extend>	i took the src from the html
[12:55:02] <Extend>	then pointed it in my browser
[12:55:04] <Extend>	it load
[12:55:19] <Duesentrieb>	then your browser should also load it inside the page
[12:55:36] <Duesentrieb>	maybe there's some sort of ad blocking or web filter thingy interfering?
[12:58:05] <Extend>	noooooooo
[12:58:17] <Extend>	no blocking
[12:58:27] <Extend>	when i use the editor and preview the page 
[12:58:34] <Extend>	it previewed the images
[12:58:41] <Extend>	but when i save and check the page
[12:58:49] <Extend>	the images first tries to load
[12:58:52] <Extend>	then it disappear
[12:59:01] <Duesentrieb>	yes. one more reason to believe it's some odd plugin or proxy interfereing
[12:59:03] <Duesentrieb>	got a url?
[12:59:32] <Extend>	no it'
[12:59:36] <Extend>	it's internal
[13:00:10] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r36842 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Doc typo
[13:00:14] <CIA-54>	03greg * r36843 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SearchTsearch2.php: Remove SearchTearch2.php, SearchPostgres.php is used instead.
[13:00:15] <Duesentrieb>	well, can't help you, then. if the image's url loads fine, but it doesn't show in the page, then it's very likely a problem with your browser.
[13:00:28] <Duesentrieb>	try a different browser and/or a different computer
[13:03:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) MainPage cannot be edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14640  +comment (10Herwig.VanCotthem)
[13:06:00] <Paul_UK>	hi there, im trying to change mediawiki to stop caching pages, as its recently started doing this :(  Can I use this code in 1.10.4 ?  http://pastebin.com/m1f11d684  thanks
[13:08:26] <Duesentrieb>	Paul_UK: uh, caching has always been used. on several levels.
[13:09:23] <Duesentrieb>	no idea if enableClientCache exists in 1.10, but you should find out easily enough :)
[13:09:28] <Duesentrieb>	anyway... why use 1.10?
[13:09:56] <Paul_UK>	Duesentrieb: this is my first outing with mediawiki, so im not an expert.  Im using 1.10.4 as i just did a yum install with fedora 8
[13:10:10] <Extend>	i tried IE7 under windows
[13:10:15] <Extend>	the images doesn't appear
[13:10:18] <Extend>	wow
[13:10:21] <Duesentrieb>	3rd party packages of mediawiki tend to suck, sadly. and are usually outdated
[13:10:56] <Paul_UK>	Duesentrieb: Also this just started happening recently.  you add an article and it doesnt appear.  Force a refresh with the browser and it appears.  Its bugging my users lol.
[13:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	Paul_UK: anyway... put $wgCachePages = false; in your localsettings, that should disable caching. wgOut isn't set up at that point, and you should not mess with the code if you don't know what you are doing.
[13:11:27] <Duesentrieb>	"it doesn't appear" where.
[13:12:08] <Duesentrieb>	and... the caching should only applies for users that are not logged in, and iirc it also requests clients to check for changes... it should be hardly noticible
[13:12:24] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: what *else* did you try?
[13:12:28] <Paul_UK>	Duesentrieb: that was it, thank you.  all clients are logged in.
[13:12:53] <Extend>	i didn't till now
[13:12:59] <Extend>	i don't know exactly the problem
[13:13:18] <Paul_UK>	I've only had mediawiki here for a few weeks.  when my schedule allows, I will get the latest and then install it and learn it.  also the fedora build was broken, it doesnt do alot of symlinking to correctly enable it to work :s
[13:13:21] <Extend>	i uploaded the pictures and i put it in the editor like "[[Image:3.JPG|800x600px]] "
[13:13:28] <Extend>	but it doesn't appear
[13:13:34] <Duesentrieb>	Paul_UK: there should be no symlinks :)
[13:13:47] <Paul_UK>	Duesentrieb: probably lol.. but thanks anyhow :)
[13:14:27] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: is 800x600px legal syntax now? must be new. anyway, that's pretty large for a thumbnail. it may be hitting some limit. 
[13:14:35] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: what't the image's original size?
[13:14:57] <Extend>	about 97kb
[13:15:27] <Duesentrieb>	Paul_UK: the problem is that most linux distributions want to treat web applications like services. with config files under /etc and stuff like that. whcih sucks. because webapps don't work like that. 
[13:15:38] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: i mean dimensions in pixels.
[13:15:47] <Paul_UK>	Duesentrieb: agreed!
[13:15:55] <Extend>	1280*1024
[13:16:30] <Dantman>	Try adding a |thumb|
[13:16:36] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: should be ok for scaling, but it may still have problems. but you said you can load the thumbnail if you enter the url directly, yes?
[13:16:42] <Duesentrieb>	what does that url look like?
[13:16:48] <Extend>	yes
[13:16:59] <Extend>	its normal for me
[13:17:02] <Extend>	i can see the whole image
[13:17:04] <Extend>	800*600
[13:17:12] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: hm... i think PLURAL should allow a third param, for the 0 case...
[13:17:14] <Extend>	my screen resolution is 1024*
[13:17:23] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: what does the url look like?
[13:17:29] <Extend>	wait
[13:17:51] <Duesentrieb>	(and please do try a different browser. IE sucks anyway)
[13:19:12] <Extend>	http://gwiki/mediawiki/images/thumb/6/63/1.JPG/750px-1.JPG
[13:19:18] <Extend>	im using firefox
[13:19:24] <Extend>	but i just checked with IE
[13:19:44] <Duesentrieb>	and it doesn't show in either?
[13:19:58] <Extend>	it shows an error
[13:20:11] <Duesentrieb>	well, that's something. what error?
[13:20:13] <Extend>	is it a problem with Imagemagik?
[13:20:24] <Duesentrieb>	if you can load it directly, then no
[13:20:35] <Duesentrieb>	in that case, it must be a probelm with your browser
[13:20:41] <Extend>	no error
[13:20:45] <Extend>	error in view
[13:20:51] <Duesentrieb>	the html is correct, the url is correct, the image works... that doesn't leave much room
[13:21:20] <Duesentrieb>	if the thumbnail wasn't created at all, or was broken, then it would be a problem with imagmagic, probably.
[13:21:32] <Duesentrieb>	but if you can view the thumb directly, but not in the page, i have no idea.
[13:22:55] <Extend>	can u show me a correct configuration for uploading files and viewing images?
[13:23:37] <Duesentrieb>	$wgEnableUploads       = true;
[13:23:40] <Duesentrieb>	that's it.
[13:24:22] <Duesentrieb>	there may be 1000 things to ajust for your particular setup. but for a "normal" system, the defaults work well.
[13:24:30] *^demon 	is loving the new TortoiseSVN.
[13:24:48] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: really? i hated the old one...
[13:24:58] <Duesentrieb>	how is it different?
[13:25:23] <^demon>	It has a little spinning turtle when patching :-P
[13:27:00] <Extend>	see this
[13:27:01] <Extend>	http://rafb.net/p/2CsLXi30.html
[13:28:08] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: I haven't read the changelog yet to know what's really changed (I think a lot. This was a bump from 1.4.x to 1.5), I just like the turtle.
[13:28:48] <Dor>	How can I do that when a new user registers to my wiki
[13:28:50] <Dor>	it will write something to him in his user discussion?
[13:28:53] <Dor>	an automatic message
[13:29:33] <Extend>	Duesentrieb, so ?
[13:29:39] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: again: if you have an <img> tag with a src attribute pointing to a URL that you can load and view, then your configuration is correct. I can't think of any reason, mediawiki or no, that would cause the image not to show. unless you are explicitly hiding it using some CSS or JS magic, or browser plugin, of course.
[13:30:12] <Extend>	i will show you the source
[13:31:21] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: abotu your configuration: it's better to use absolute pathes. specifically:
[13:31:26] <Extend>	http://rafb.net/p/S4yjfY13.html
[13:31:33] <Duesentrieb>	$wgUploadPath       = "$wgScriptPath/images";
[13:31:33] <Duesentrieb>	$wgUploadDirectory  = "$IP/images";
[13:31:37] <Extend>	the real pathes u mean
[13:31:52] <Extend>	like /var/www/mediawiki/images
[13:32:06] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: err. ok, there you go. that src attribute does NOT have the url you gave me earlier. it has a RELATIVE path.
[13:32:18] <Duesentrieb>	which is evaluated by the browser relative to... something
[13:32:22] <Duesentrieb>	not to whatyou thing, 
[13:32:26] <Duesentrieb>	*think
[13:32:37] <Extend>	what can i do to fix this?
[13:32:39] <Duesentrieb>	so: ise abolsute pathes, like i gave above.
[13:32:43] <Duesentrieb>	(and like the default)
[13:33:01] <Extend>	so i must set absolute pathes?
[13:33:02] <Duesentrieb>	don't mess with the defaults unless you have too...
[13:33:06] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[13:33:12] <Duesentrieb>	$wgUploadPath       = "$wgScriptPath/images";
[13:33:14] <Duesentrieb>	specifically.
[13:33:21] <Duesentrieb>	$wgUploadDirectory  = "$IP/images"; is a good idea also
[13:33:43] <Duesentrieb>	why did you change them in the first place?
[13:33:53] <Extend>	i didn't
[13:34:10] <Duesentrieb>	well, someone did :)
[13:34:20] <Extend>	hm
[13:37:03] <CIA-54>	03daniel * r36844 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (4 files): use wgMsgXXX consistently. Add support for {{PLURAL}} where appropriate (bug 14690).
[13:37:47] <Extend>	then now i have to reupload the images again ?
[13:37:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add PLURAL capability to MediaWiki: categorytree-member-counts message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14690  +comment (10daniel)
[13:38:01] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: no.
[13:38:05] <Extend>	ok
[13:38:09] <Extend>	i will check now
[13:38:14] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: but touch localsettings.php to purge all caches
[13:38:33] <Duesentrieb>	bumping the mod date of the file invalidates cached data
[13:38:42] <Extend>	what do u mean
[13:38:47] <Extend>	i didn't delete the file
[13:38:51] <Extend>	i just modified it
[13:39:29] <Dor>	how can I write an automatic message on someone's talk page when he's registered?
[13:39:43] <Duesentrieb>	err. yes. i said nothing about deleting it :) 
[13:39:54] <Duesentrieb>	but i didn't think. you modified it, so the cache is purged automatically
[13:39:57] <Duesentrieb>	nvm
[13:40:08] <Duesentrieb>	Dor: write a bot to do it.
[13:40:24] <Extend>	how i can clear the cache
[13:40:31] <Dor>	CTRL+F5
[13:40:34] <Dor>	on most browsers
[13:40:52] <Dor>	Duesentrieb, how do I know when a user is registered?
[13:40:55] <Dor>	or do I infinite loop on the user list
[13:41:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add PLURAL capability to MediaWiki: categorytree-member-counts message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14690  (10daniel)
[13:41:04] <Duesentrieb>	that would suck :)
[13:41:09] <Dor>	yes, it would
[13:41:13] <Duesentrieb>	no, you check the log periodically
[13:41:25] <Dor>	where do I find this log?
[13:41:28] <Duesentrieb>	but you have to install an extension to make user registrations show in the log
[13:41:28] <Dor>	Special:Log?
[13:41:32] <Duesentrieb>	NewUserLog or some such :)
[13:41:39] <Dor>	!e NewUserLog
[13:41:39] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserLog
[13:41:51] <Dor>	!e pooptest
[13:41:51] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:pooptest
[13:41:55] <Dor>	lol
[13:42:00] <Duesentrieb>	Special:Log, yes... but it think it shows in Special:Recentchanges too. which is good, because there's an RSS feed for that
[13:42:03] <Dor>	it doesn't check if it's there
[13:42:11] <Duesentrieb>	no it doesn't
[13:42:18] <Duesentrieb>	it just builds a link.
[13:43:04] <Duesentrieb>	Dor: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Newuserlog
[13:43:06] <Extend>	Duesentrieb, the same error still exists
[13:43:26] <Duesentrieb>	Extend: well, what exactly does the src tag look like now?
[13:43:47] <Duesentrieb>	Dor: oh... look what i found: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserMessage
[13:44:02] <Dor>	sweet :D
[13:46:18] <Extend>	works
[13:46:19] <Extend>	works
[13:46:20] <Extend>	works
[13:46:25] <Extend>	i forgot a $
[13:46:33] <Extend>	thanks alot Duesentrieb :-*
[13:46:46] <Duesentrieb>	np
[13:52:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bugzilla mediawiki integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400  +comment (10ian.homer)
[14:31:33] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r36845 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialVersion.php: riding the bandwagon :)
[14:34:52] <murray>	ir
[14:34:55] <murray>	irc
[14:34:57] <murray>	????
[15:08:07] <TheOracle23>	erm this may be a bit off topic,but how do you change your hostmask in IRC?
[15:10:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't know what that means, but try #freenode?
[15:10:56] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r36847 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.i18n.php: Update for he.
[15:10:59] <TheOracle23>	hmm good idea ;)
[15:11:03] <TheOracle23>	brb
[15:12:36] <^demon>	Anyone else here upgraded to TortoiseSVN 1.5 yet?
[15:15:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	^demon: about to; why?
[15:16:01] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[15:16:53] <Simetrical>	Heresy, I use the CLI!
[15:17:31] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: I'm having issues (and a bit of Googling says others do too) with svn over ssh.
[15:17:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	:\
[15:18:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't commit, so...
[15:18:31] <^demon>	Http(s) works fine.
[15:18:38] <^demon>	It's just svn+ssh:// that's borked.
[15:19:00] <Skizzerz>	hmm...
[15:19:06] <Skizzerz>	I don't think I have 1.5 yet though
[15:20:22] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r36848 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialCentralAuth.php: These are methods
[15:20:31] <Skizzerz>	^demon: iirc, all your config settings pretty much get wiped on updates, so you need to reconfigure TortoiseSVN if you haven't done so yet
[15:20:32] <^demon>	If you use svn+ssh, I don't suggest upgrading yet. I'm about to go back to 1.4.8.
[15:20:50] <^demon>	Skizzerz: It's not a configuration issue. It just hangs on co or commit.
[15:20:56] <Skizzerz>	ah
[15:21:04] <Skizzerz>	k, I won't upgrade then
[15:21:11] <Skizzerz>	thanks for the warning
[15:21:12] <^demon>	I'm not getting errors (auth or otherwise), I'm getting nothing :-P
[15:22:08] <^demon>	No problems. Didn't want anyone else to make the same mistake :-P
[15:23:28] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, that kind of mistake is a real bugger in Python.  It will just return true with no error, since methods are properties as well.
[15:23:31] <Simetrical>	Same in JavaScript, I guess.
[15:23:41] <Simetrical>	It can be a real pain to track down.
[15:29:01] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=36746
[15:29:07] <AaronSchulz>	does that work?
[15:29:18] <AaronSchulz>	those <i> tags seems like they would be escaped
[15:29:53] <Simetrical>	Depends on how wrapWikiMsg works, I guess.
[15:30:02] <Simetrical>	Well, it's called *Wiki*Msg.
[15:30:07] <Simetrical>	So maybe it parses it as wikitext.
[15:30:57] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: I removed the <i>'s.
[15:31:09] <AaronSchulz>	ok, good
[15:31:27] <^demon>	$wgOut->wrapWikiMsg( '<div class="error">$1</div>', array( 'virus-badscanner', $wgAntivirus ) ); was the new version.
[15:31:32] *AaronSchulz 	is on r36758
[15:34:33] <Zopieux>	hi, all
[15:35:09] <^demon>	Yay co works again :-D
[15:35:28] <Zopieux>	i need some information
[15:35:29] <AaronSchulz>	co?
[15:35:34] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r36849 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchangeslinked.php: Replace underscores in target
[15:35:38] <Skizzerz>	AaronSchulz: checkout ;)
[15:35:38] <^demon>	checkout.
[15:35:45] <Skizzerz>	!ask | Zopieux
[15:35:45] --mwbot--	Zopieux: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[15:37:26] <Zopieux>	"data", yeah, i'm just introducing my question and making shure everybody saw me
[15:37:26] <Zopieux>	well
[15:37:42] <Zopieux>	i wonder how works Wikipedia's image of the day
[15:37:51] <Skizzerz>	probably a template
[15:37:59] <Zopieux>	can you give me information about that?
[15:38:06] <^demon>	It's a template with some parserfunctions, I believe.
[15:38:08] <Skizzerz>	yeah, just lemme check
[15:38:11] <^demon>	!parserfunctions
[15:38:11] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[15:38:55] <Skizzerz>	yes, it's a template that's called via functions that change based on the current day
[15:39:11] <Skizzerz>	{{POTD protected/{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTDAY2}}}}
[15:40:11] <Skizzerz>	Zopieux: basically, if you want to mimic that on your own wiki (or are just curious how it works), you need to create a new page every single day to keep up with it
[15:40:11] <Zopieux>	hm, so if I want to modify the next day's image of the day, I only have to edit the corresponding article?
[15:40:16] <Skizzerz>	yes
[15:40:31] <Zopieux>	hm
[15:41:13] <Skizzerz>	in the case of Wikipedia, that would be Template:POTD protected/2008-07-02
[15:41:21] <Zopieux>	actually I need a "tip of the week" :)
[15:41:26] <Skizzerz>	ok
[15:41:40] *AaronSchulz 	giggles at r36768
[15:42:17] <Skizzerz>	then you would probably want to use {{TOTW/{{CURRENTYEAR}}-{{CURRENTWEEK}}}}
[15:42:25] <Zopieux>	hm, so easy :D
[15:42:43] <Skizzerz>	CURRENTYEAR displays the current year (2008), and CURRENTWEEK returns the current NUMBER of the week (27)
[15:42:57] <Skizzerz>	I do not believe it is zero-padded on 1-9, however
[15:43:21] <Skizzerz>	TOTW stands for "Tip of the Week", but you can change that to whatever you want
[15:43:27] <Skizzerz>	also, no extensions required
[15:43:34] <Zopieux`>	yeah, i'm so _that_ stupid :-�
[15:44:03] <Skizzerz>	huh?
[15:44:20] <Zopieux`>	nothin'
[15:47:02] <AaronSchulz>	r35821, hehe
[15:47:07] <AaronSchulz>	maybe third times a charm
[15:50:50] <VasilievVV>	AaronSchulz: may I also join the credits?
[15:58:22] <Zopieux`>	w00t, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:NEXTWEEK&action=edit this is rather strange and ugly, isn't?
[16:07:15] <AaronSchulz>	ok, all that's left is categorytree
[16:07:19] <AaronSchulz>	boy, lots of changes there
[16:19:46] <SQLDb>	anyone (with commit access) interested in taking a peek at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12232 ? It's got a patch to it, and, I've been messing with it for a few days... Haven't been able to break it yet...
[16:21:12] <^demon|away>	SQLDb: If no one else does, I'll peak at it after lunch
[16:21:18] <^demon|away>	*peek
[16:21:22] <SQLDb>	^demon|away: thanks :)
[16:21:35] <^demon|away>	np, I'll ping you when I get back.
[16:22:05] <SQLDb>	^demon|away: sure, I'm gonna go do the same :)
[16:31:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disallow Meta bureaucrats to administer global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14461   +shell (10anaconda)
[16:37:42] <Steren>	hi
[16:43:27] <Steren>	I'm trying to add i18n t my extension, but when I follow these steps, I've got an error at the execution of step 4.
[16:43:32] <Steren>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions#Internationalizing_your_extension
[16:45:20] <Steren>	and I saw in other extension that it's possible to use "$wgExtensionMessagesFiles" for i18n, what should I do ?
[16:48:38] <Nikerabbit>	just ditch the manual, it's out of date and I haven't had time to improve it
[16:50:47] <Steren>	I could rewrite it when my i18n is ok
[16:51:50] <Steren>	using $wgExtensionMessagesFiles doesn't work, I don't understand, Language string are not displayed.
[16:52:23] <Nikerabbit>	Steren: you need to call wfLoadExtensionMessages( 'yourextensions' );
[16:57:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot edit should not mark revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14679  +comment (10pbirken)
[16:58:32] <Steren>	Nikerabbit: Good it works well
[16:59:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirect-Pages don't show their status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14696 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[16:59:27] <CIA-54>	03jojo * r36850 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.php README.txt): Renamed $wgPDFServer to $wgCollectionMWServeURL. Added $wgCollectionMWServeCredentials which allows mw-serve to login to restricted MediaWikis.
[16:59:51] <rzec>	how can i add a user to media wiki within a custom php script?
[17:00:30] <^demon|away>	SQLDb: Ping
[17:00:39] <SQLDb>	^demon: pong!
[17:01:01] <^demon>	I'm reading the patch now, looks good to me.
[17:01:54] <SQLDb>	cool :)
[17:04:02] <CIA-54>	03demon * r36851 10/trunk/extensions/AntiSpoof/ (AntiSpoof.i18n.php AntiSpoof.php SpoofUser.php): bug 12232 - Return more than one result on attempted spoofing.
[17:04:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AntiSpoof should return more than one result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12232  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:04:17] <SQLDb>	thanks ^demon :)
[17:04:53] <^demon>	No problem. Any other outstanding patches you want applied? Slow day at work and I have time to review :-)
[17:05:16] <SQLDb>	^demon: Not as of yet :)
[17:06:03] <rzec>	anyone know if there is an easy way to create a user within a custom php script(like a query example or something)?
[17:06:33] <^demon>	rzec: Theoretically, an INSERT to the user table would be ok.
[17:06:51] <SQLDb>	you'd still have to hash the password
[17:07:15] <^demon>	Other than that ;-)
[17:07:58] <tekmosis>	Why would you need to SQL inject a new user anyways? :S
[17:10:42] <Raymond__>	^demon: I think can use $message = wfMsgExt( 'antispoof-name-conflict', array('parse', 'escape'), $name, implode( wfMsg( 'comma-separator'), $conflict ), count( $conflict) ); and use {{PLURAL:$3|...}} in  'antispoof-name-conflict'
[17:10:59] <Raymond__>	above line not tested
[17:11:27] <rzec>	so INSERT INTO user(`user_name`, `user_password`) VALUES('testuser', 'password') should work ^demon?
[17:11:41] <^demon>	rzec: No. You have to hash the password.
[17:12:08] <SQLDb>	Raymond__: we tried using {{PLURAL:}} a lot in testing, it would never work out quite right
[17:12:16] <tekmosis>	Well, you don't *have* to. You do if you want the account to work, though ;P
[17:12:23] <rzec>	^demon: md5 or password?
[17:12:56] <Raymond__>	SQLDb: why not? as I said, I haven't tried it now, but I see now reason why it shouldn't work
[17:12:58] <^demon>	rzec: I'm not sure what the hashing mechanism is now. Tim changed it recently.
[17:13:58] <SQLDb>	Raymond__: IIRC it didn't return right, on say... 5 users, for instance. It only did OK on 1 or 2... anything more than 2 and it returned the maximum result (i.e. 5)
[17:14:52] <Raymond__>	SQLDb: ok good point not to use plural
[17:15:53] <rzec>	anyone know the reasoning behind having to have the user_name first character be uppercase(just wondering cause it seems a bit weird)?
[17:17:06] <^demon>	rzec: Titles of pages are almost always with an uppercased first letter (unless you play with $wgCapitalLinks). Requiring usernames to do this helps keep that consistent.
[17:17:53] <Nikerabbit>	ug
[17:18:54] <Nikerabbit>	is there hook that is run when a page is shown to modify its contents?
[17:20:07] <rzec>	^demon: I have tried adding a user using a query with 'password', MD5('password'), PASSWORD('password'), OLD_PASSWORD('password') and none of them work, do you know where in the media wiki code the query to add or update a user is so i can look there?
[17:21:32] <tekmosis>	Nikerabbit, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/EditPage::showEditForm:initial is this what you're looking for?
[17:21:39] <JSharp>	yes, the password algorithm is MD5(user_id + "-" + MD5(password)) iirc
[17:21:44] *JSharp 	looks
[17:22:17] <^demon>	JSharp: I thought it was more complex now. update_password_format() in updaters.inc is weird.
[17:22:48] <Nikerabbit>	tekmosis: not editing, but viewing
[17:23:06] <rzec>	so i would then need to do an insert and then update on the password, ok i will try that
[17:23:26] <JSharp>	well, if it's different, then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_table is out of date
[17:23:31] <tekmosis>	!hook Nikerabbit
[17:23:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/Nikerabbit
[17:23:42] <tekmosis>	er... not what I expected it to output
[17:23:46] <^demon>	There is no Nikerabbit hook :-P
[17:24:02] <tekmosis>	:P
[17:24:30] <Nikerabbit>	please don't hook the developers :D
[17:24:31] <^demon>	JSharp: Yeah that's old. Last info is from 1.11. It got changed in 1.13
[17:24:53] <JSharp>	okay, then I need to update the docs then :)
[17:25:20] *^demon 	wonders what the Nikerabbit hook would do.
[17:25:37] <tekmosis>	hook into Nikerabbit's bank account? :D
[17:28:02] <JSharp>	heh
[17:28:13] <rzec>	JSharp: I have tried UPDATE user SET user_password = MD5('8-' + MD5('password')) WHERE user_id= '8' but is still does not work
[17:28:27] <Dashiva>	MD5(password)
[17:28:34] <^demon>	rzec: What version are you using?
[17:29:28] <rzec>	^demon: the lastest stable 1.12.0
[17:29:50] <rzec>	Dashiva: I have tried that and it does nto wokr
[17:29:53] <JSharp>	well... that doesn't work
[17:30:14] <JSharp>	in SQL concat is concat(user_id, "-", MD5("password"))
[17:30:32] <JSharp>	but I'm not sure that's the algorithm anymore
[17:30:37] <Dashiva>	rzec: It was more of a joke for myself, sorry for not making it clear
[17:30:37] <rzec>	damn it, what a noob mistake
[17:30:53] <^demon>	JSharp: That was the method up until 1.13
[17:30:57] <^demon>	Now it's crazy.
[17:31:07] <Skizzerz>	!passwordsql
[17:31:07] --mwbot--	UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT(user_id, '-', MD5('password'))) WHERE user_name='John_Smith';  This will reset the password for the user with user_name 'John Smith' to 'password'.  Replace 'John_Smith' with the desired username, changing spaces to underscores.
[17:31:17] <JSharp>	oh, nice
[17:31:27] <JSharp>	hmm, still needs to be updated for 1.13
[17:31:39] <rzec>	yea that works, thanks
[17:31:40] <Skizzerz>	1.13 hasn't been officially released yet though :)
[17:31:47] <JSharp>	ah, true that :)
[17:32:14] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[17:32:20] <tekmosis>	oh man, upgrading to 1.13 wont be so easy for me, yay for hacking up MW to do what I needed it to do :O
[17:32:33] <[KrusheR]>	is it possible to delete images from file system when deleting the Imagen:bla.jpg page?
[17:32:49] <Skizzerz>	[KrusheR]: what version do you have?
[17:32:51] <rzec>	JSharp: next question is how do i make them a sysop
[17:32:53] <[KrusheR]>	1.12
[17:33:28] <Skizzerz>	then no, you'd have to manually delete it from the filesystem afterwards. Images are stored in a deleted directory and it is impossible to change that behavior without an extension
[17:33:42] <[KrusheR]>	is it safe to delete the "deleted" directory?
[17:33:46] <Skizzerz>	there MIGHT be an extension though, but I haven't found it if there is
[17:34:13] <Charitwo>	rzec: Special:Userrights
[17:34:22] <^demon>	Skizzerz: Isn't there a ~/maintenance script to cleanup deleted copies of images?
[17:34:29] <Skizzerz>	^demon: idk
[17:34:49] <tekmosis>	there is
[17:35:00] <[KrusheR]>	what is it?
[17:35:13] <tekmosis>	/public_html/maintenance/cleanupImages.php
[17:35:16] <[KrusheR]>	thanks
[17:35:21] <[KrusheR]>	i'll check it out
[17:35:37] <Charitwo>	tekmosis: that deletes old image revisions?
[17:35:59] <[KrusheR]>	it seems not: Script to clean up broken, unparseable upload filenames.
[17:36:17] <tekmosis>	you have to run it from the terminal, though. You can't view any maintenance scripts via your browser. Charitwo, I'm not sure about the functionatly. I just have cvs open so I saw the script :P
[17:37:05] <rzec>	Charitwo: what?
[17:37:17] <Charitwo>	rzec: thats how you make people sysops
[17:37:42] <Charitwo>	tekmosis: i know that, I just want some easy way to delete all old image revisions, and was asking if that did the trick
[17:37:58] <Skizzerz>	Special:AsplodeMyWiki <- sounds fun, no?
[17:38:42] <tekmosis>	Would be fun to see that special page was run on Wikipedia
[17:39:06] <[KrusheR]>	deleteArchivedFiles.php : Delete archived (non-current) files from the database
[17:39:37] <[KrusheR]>	let's just push the button and see what happens...
[17:39:54] *^demon 	goes back to writing Extension:StalkerLog
[17:40:15] <rzec>	Charitwo: what do i do what that?  add it as the user_options?
[17:40:15] <[KrusheR]>	yeah, it worked!
[17:40:53] <Charitwo>	rzec: you navigate to Special:Userrights on your wiki, type the persons name in and hit OK. Then you click sysop and save the changes.
[17:41:19] <rzec>	Charitwo: is there a way to do this within PHP code itself?>
[17:41:22] <[KrusheR]>	thankyou everyone
[17:41:44] <Charitwo>	rzec: possibly, but the easiest way is through the wiki
[17:41:52] <Charitwo>	and i recommend doing that way
[17:43:02] <^demon>	insert into user_groups( ug_user, ug_group ) values ( 1, 'sysop' );
[17:43:03] <^demon>	^ Do that for each and every userid/group combination you have, if you _must_ do it outside the MW interface.
[17:43:33] <^demon>	Replacing 1 and 'sysop' as needed, of course.
[17:44:08] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Add rel-license mf into footer license link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14613  +comment (10i.am.putnik)
[17:45:03] <Isb1009>	any dev: I've created a new patch for Piwik Integration ext. (/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Piwik) and it's in http://rafb.net/p/uzGg8635.html
[17:45:15] <Nikerabbit>	fffff
[17:45:17] <Nikerabbit>	really
[17:51:41] <rzec>	^demon: well i really want to becuase i want to tightly integrate mediawiki with a current application which leads me to my last question(at least for now), is there a way to login in a user to the wiki without having to have them login into to my application twice(so when they login in to the main application, it automatically logins them into the wiki).  is there some cookie or something?
[17:51:58] <^demon>	rzec: I really don't know :(
[17:52:33] <^demon>	Isb1009: Can you update your patch against current trunk? It won't apply cleanly.
[17:52:45] <murray>	helou
[17:53:07] <rzec>	is there a way to make mediawiki redirect to a certain page if the user is not logged in?
[17:53:46] <Isb1009>	^demon: ok, i'll past the new URL now
[17:53:47] <^demon>	Depends on your settings. If you allow anonymous reads, then it will let them stay wherever they are. If anonymous reading is off, it'll prompt you to login to view things.
[17:53:51] <^demon>	Isb1009: Thanks.
[17:55:27] <rzec>	^demon: is there a way to override that page without actually going into that file and just putting a redirect manually as the first line?
[17:57:33] <Isb1009>	^demon: The patch is in http://rafb.net/p/geFzu876.html
[17:58:31] <tekmosis>	rzec, you could use a hook for article viewing and then use an if (!$user->isLoggedIn()) { } check which then redirects them
[17:59:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't show box for default case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14697 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[17:59:20] <^demon>	Isb1009: Still doesn't apply cleanly. I'll look at in a moment.
[17:59:31] <Isb1009>	^demon: ok, thanks
[18:05:40] <Isb1009>	^demon: if you see the problem, please tell me and I'll try my best so next time doesn't happen
[18:10:00] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r36852 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:10:00] <CIA-54>	* 2008-07-01:1
[18:10:00] <CIA-54>	 - Fix gettext message name snippets: filter / and trim after trailing
[18:10:00] <CIA-54>	 - Load normal comments from gettext files
[18:10:00] <CIA-54>	 - Quick links for viewing, using a private hook
[18:12:04] <Nikerabbit>	if someone knows a better hook, please tell!
[18:17:12] <Nikerabbit>	AaronSchulz: !!!
[18:17:20] <Nikerabbit>	AaronSchulz: have you fixed the fatal error?
[18:17:46] <Nikerabbit>	mmm ignore that
[18:17:52] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: have you fixed it?!
[18:20:00] <Nikerabbit>	where is demon again
[18:20:23] <Nikerabbit>	always hides after commit, hrmhm
[18:21:07] <rzec>	well i have lloked at my cookies and it seems there is a wiki_session cookie and if i delete it i get logged out but i don't see anywhere in the database where it might be stored.  does anyone know how is the session generated and where is it stored
[18:25:47] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r36853 10/trunk/extensions/AntiSpoof/AntiSpoof.i18n.php: Update for he.
[18:30:11] <MinuteElectron>	rzec: It is done by PHP.
[18:30:28] <MinuteElectron>	PHP magically stores it, you can access it via the $_SESSION magic variable.
[18:35:33] <rzec>	MinuteElectron: how does php generate the value for the cookie automatically for mediawiki?
[18:36:12] <domas>	rzec: read the code? 
[18:36:16] <MinuteElectron>	I don't know, you should probably ask in ##php or read the PHP source code; it isn't really relevant from a developers perspective.
[18:36:31] <MinuteElectron>	PHP sessions Just Work (tm).
[18:36:36] <tekmosis>	rzec, take a look at /includes/User.php and the setCookies() function
[18:36:48] <tekmosis>	also the SetupSession() function as well
[18:37:30] <MinuteElectron>	tekmosis: That wouldn't help, the session cookie value isn't generated by MediaWiki - it is generated behind the scenes by PHP itself.
[18:38:09] <rzec>	MinuteElectron: that does not make sense, why would php generate something specifically for mediawiki?
[18:38:21] <MinuteElectron>	It is not specifically for MediaWiki.
[18:38:39] <rzec>	mediawiki has to be calling some function to tell php to generate it and that is what i am looking for
[18:38:50] <MinuteElectron>	Sessions are used by a wide range of applications, the PHP session module generates it automatically.
[18:39:01] <tekmosis>	MinuteElectron, from my understanding of rzec's question they were looking for the wiki_session cookie. That would *not* be automatically generated by PHP itself
[18:39:36] <rzec>	tekmosis: you are correct, i am not talking about PHPSESSID but wiki_session cookie
[18:44:51] <rzec>	i see where it set UserID and UserNAme but not _session
[18:47:06] <tekmosis>	You may need to do a global search for _session or setcookie( then to find it unless someone here knows more on the subject
[18:53:57] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb 
[18:54:05] <Duesentrieb>	hi Nikerabbit
[18:55:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:CreateAccount does not respect " Prevent account creation" from Special:BlockIP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14698 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (raimond.spekking)
[19:01:51] <flo_>	hi all, pls in my SMW the special datatype URL is not recognized (most of the time) 
[19:02:13] <flo_>	anybody an idea, or is there a SMW channel?
[19:04:11] <flo_>	i put [[has type::URL]] on the page Property:Website ie. but the url text on the prop page resp on the article page are shown as a red link for a new wikipage
[19:05:45] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r36854 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: * Bug fixes
[19:15:22] <CIA-54>	03dale * r36855 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mv_embed.js mv_vlcEmbed.js sample_page.php): 
[19:15:22] <CIA-54>	fixed thumbnail display
[19:15:22] <CIA-54>	fixed duration (more consistant with html5 spec)
[19:15:22] <CIA-54>	other minnor fixes
[19:29:39] <domas>	I'm adding an awesome feature
[19:36:19] <thromin>	mediawiki
[19:37:31] <VasilievVV|NA>	domas: which feature?
[19:37:37] <thromin>	mediawiki
[19:37:52] <VasilievVV|NA>	thromin: what do you need?
[19:38:01] <thromin>	mediawiki
[19:38:21] <thromin>	why
[19:38:30] <VasilievVV|NA>	Because you're trolling
[19:38:37] <thromin>	I am not
[19:38:46] <thromin>	I am saying mediawiki
[19:39:00] <VasilievVV|NA>	Without any purpose
[19:42:56] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: örörö
[19:43:54] <boingolov>	by the way, outside of doing http auth, is there an extension that will allow me to ensure that all users must log in to be able to even view or search the wiki, and that users also must belong to a specific group to be able to edit?
[19:43:58] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Hello :-)
[19:44:22] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: plural?
[19:44:35] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: For AntiSpoof?
[19:45:03] <boingolov>	I installed the ldapauthentication plugin and have it authenticating against AD, and I have it requiring that you must be a member of a certain group in AD to log in
[19:45:04] <boingolov>	that part works
[19:45:13] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: yeh?
[19:45:26] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: SQLDb was mentioning some issues with that? Ask him about it.
[19:45:45] <Nikerabbit>	huh?
[19:45:48] <Nikerabbit>	SQLDb: ping
[19:46:21] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: you prolly only need wfMsgExt and parsemag
[19:48:23] <guillom>	hi, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Desysop says this feature is now included in the core; what would need to be changed then?
[19:48:25] <Duesentrieb>	!access | boingolov
[19:48:25] --mwbot--	boingolov: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[19:49:41] <guillom>	thanks dues
[19:52:18] <boingolov>	Duesentrieb, thank you
[19:53:05] <guillom>	that was a double :)
[19:53:41] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: not sure if you'll find the info you need on those pages... they are about assigning rights to groups, not so muich groups to people...
[19:53:44] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: can you fix it together with the sqlguy?
[19:53:44] <domas>	\o/
[19:53:58] <Nikerabbit>	hi domas
[19:54:05] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, I've found a link that has led me to the good page :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRemoveGroups
[19:54:06] <Nikerabbit>	not refering to you
[19:55:20] <domas>	NEW FEATURE
[19:55:30] <CIA-54>	03midom * r36856 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): new feature! a blank special page! (thanks to everyone, who made Special:Version heavy :)
[19:55:54] <Duesentrieb>	oh i guess it's all done via Special:Userrights now
[19:57:16] <avar>	Gah, I edit something for a few hours and when I try to save it Wikipedia complains about missing session data
[19:57:35] <Skizzerz>	avar: hit back and try again?
[19:57:58] <domas>	avar: we need session refreshing ajax tool! 
[19:58:06] <rzec>	tekmosis: i have done a search for _session or setcookie and nothing has _session when setting a cookie.
[19:58:07] <domas>	like, every hour or so :)
[19:58:09] <avar>	Then I'd still POST the same session data, I have to copy the stupid form content, re-click edit and save again
[19:58:16] <avar>	domas: My browser doesn't support ajax
[19:58:36] <avar>	Anyway I haven't checked but this is probably some recent stupidity in the php code, I didn't use to get this
[19:58:42] <domas>	avar: s2bu
[19:59:05] <avar>	domas: I don't think you understand, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
[19:59:06] <avar>	!
[19:59:07] <avar>	>:)
[19:59:53] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: When I see him again, yes.
[20:00:05] <VasilievVV>	domas: I always know that it is the coolest new feature you can write :)))
[20:00:07] <domas>	avar: I'm ecstatic about my new feature!
[20:00:47] *ecstasia 	eyes domas
[20:00:55] <ecstasia>	careful with the highlights man
[20:00:59] <ecstasia>	pokey pokey
[20:01:03] <domas>	=)
[20:01:06] <domas>	no sorry for you
[20:01:25] <VasilievVV>	domas: doesn't wfMsg call makes your page heavy?
[20:01:39] *^demon 	is having fun with all the new features blankpage provides.
[20:02:03] <domas>	VasilievVV: wfMsg is already called for title anyway
[20:03:09] <VasilievVV>	domas: and what's purpose of that page? Benchmarking?
[20:03:35] <CIA-54>	03midom * r36858 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlankpage.php: one bug slipped through QA procedures
[20:03:38] <domas>	VasilievVV: baseline, yes
[20:04:36] <MinuteElectron>	domas: $wgOut->addWikiMsg( 'intentionallyblank' );
[20:05:05] <VasilievVV>	MinuteElectron: stop stealing my ideas! :)
[20:05:06] <domas>	MinuteElectron: ^^^ thats what I fixed there
[20:05:37] <domas>	I was playing with multiple functions
[20:05:42] <MinuteElectron>	domas: addWikiMsg is cleaner ;)
[20:05:45] <MinuteElectron>	I see...
[20:06:39] <domas>	:((((
[20:06:46] <domas>	65 wfMsgReal calls
[20:07:02] <domas>	I wonder which one is the expensive one
[20:07:53] <domas>	ah, stupid opensearch-desc
[20:08:10] <VasilievVV>	domas: will you kill me if I run small programming lanugage parser on every page save?
[20:09:14] <Nikerabbit>	blankpage :o?
[20:10:09] <domas>	Nikerabbit: go translate!
[20:10:21] <domas>	VasilievVV: yes!
[20:10:34] *^demon 	goes to translate special:blankpage.
[20:11:11] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: encoding error in pwikwiwkwi
[20:11:27] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Where?
[20:11:43] <Nikerabbit>	+       'piwik-desc'       => 'Inseta el c\xF3digo de Piwik en las p\xE1ginas de la wiki MediaWiki para el seguimiento y a\xF1ade [[Special:Piwik|algunas estad\xEDsticas]]',
[20:11:54] <^demon>	That would be it. Blast having to manually do that patch....
[20:12:06] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[20:12:13] <VasilievVV>	domas: and if I limit number of statements and tokens, forbid execution of loops, then?
[20:12:50] <Nikerabbit>	domas: mm.. opensearch... is triggering... mmmm
[20:12:59] <domas>	Nikerabbit: I know
[20:13:02] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: I'll rvt for now.
[20:13:10] <domas>	Nikerabbit: can probably replace with $1/$2 what it needs there by default
[20:13:15] <domas>	Nikerabbit: are you up for changing that? :)
[20:13:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bugzilla mediawiki integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[20:13:42] <Nikerabbit>	domas: not really, core updates are on halt until revert of message cache changes is reverted back :o
[20:14:27] <domas>	Nikerabbit: haha
[20:14:44] <MinuteElectron>	You can update messages seperatley, no?
[20:15:04] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: I'm lazy
[20:19:47] <MinuteElectron>	omg split infinitives
[20:21:13] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: O_o
[20:21:27] <MinuteElectron>	in core messages
[20:21:29] <MinuteElectron>	hehe
[20:21:38] <Nikerabbit>	wot
[20:21:43] <Nikerabbit>	netsplit infinity?
[20:22:09] <MinuteElectron>	nope
[20:23:08] <CIA-54>	03simetrical * r36860 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:23:08] <CIA-54>	* Special:BlankPage is not part of the API
[20:23:08] <CIA-54>	* Use CamelCase for special pages
[20:23:08] <CIA-54>	* No need to list BlankPage, that will really confuse people (although I realize Domas finds that entertaining)
[20:23:08] <CIA-54>	* Slightly more descriptive RELEASE-NOTE
[20:23:23] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, if you even think about trying to "correct" split infinitives in core messages, I'll stab you.
[20:23:41] <Simetrical>	:P
[20:23:51] <MinuteElectron>	=]
[20:24:09] <tekmosis>	If I wanted to list *all* Categories at the bottom of articles is there something to easily do this? If not I'll have to hack :<
[20:24:13] <domas>	Simetrical: :(((
[20:24:14] <Schroeder>	my favorite musical interval is a diminished fifth
[20:24:25] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[20:24:31] <Nikerabbit>	what's a split infinitive?
[20:24:31] <Schroeder>	NOT a tritone, but a diminished fifth
[20:24:49] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_infinitive
[20:25:24] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, basically it's a perfectly normal way of talking that some 19th century grammarians got a bee in their bonnet about because it's impossible in Latin.
[20:25:27] <boingolov>	Schroeder, how dare you indirectly diss jimmy hendrix so
[20:26:10] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[20:26:42] <Nikerabbit>	a way to perfectly normal talk
[20:27:02] <VasilievVV>	And where do we have it in messages?
[20:30:16] <^demon|away>	Knowing enwiki, Special:BlankPage won't remain short for long...obsession with over-customization of messages and all.
[20:32:02] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[20:32:46] <VasilievVV>	It will be in all news lists
[20:37:10] <Simetrical>	domas, you made a mistake by adding a message to it.  People will make it 1.6 megabytes because after all, it's only a blank page, what's the problem using it as a sandbox?
[20:38:09] <domas>	=))
[20:38:19] <domas>	true that
[20:38:21] <^demon|away>	From the new "New admin guide" on enwiki "To edit a system message, go to a page in the MediaWiki: namespace (try Interntionallyblank, it's not used for anything)"
[20:38:51] <Simetrical>	^demon|away, well, it's not "intentionallyblankpage", is it?
[20:39:20] <^demon|away>	Simetrical: In an ironic way, no. Hehe.
[20:40:01] <tekmosis>	Is there any way to default an extension for ervery page? ie: <categoylinks> I want available on every page
[20:42:37] *Skizzerz 	would just like to say that Special:BlankPage works as expected
[20:42:47] <Simetrical>	tekmosis, don't use a parser hook if you want it to be on every page . . . use some other hook.
[20:45:22] <Schroeder>	boingolov: how dare you misspell it as "Jimmy" when everyone knows it's "Jimi" :D
[20:47:51] <darkcode>	you could try adding <categorylinks> to the sidebar or some other mediawiki msg that shows up on every page
[20:49:35] <CIA-54>	03daniel * r36861 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Category.php: allow Category objects for empty categories
[20:50:37] <CIA-54>	03daniel * r36862 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.i18n.php: fixed broken html entity in message categorytree-empty-bullet
[20:57:33] <rzec>	anyone know where the wiki_session variable is generated in media wiki?
[21:00:54] <CIA-54>	03raymond * r36863 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Per r36856: Add new messages to message files.
[21:06:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:CreateAccount does not respect " Prevent account creation" from Special:BlockIP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14698  (10mbimmler)
[21:20:47] <Duesentrieb>	huh. using wfMsgExt with parseinline in a parser hook seems to screq up parser state badly.
[21:21:02] <Duesentrieb>	i get UNIQ shit all over the place
[21:21:36] <Duesentrieb>	parsemag works though
[21:21:41] <Duesentrieb>	is this a known problem?
[21:21:42] <Dantman|FS>	Eh?
[21:22:03] <Dantman|FS>	I think I have something similar with CodeTest
[21:22:14] <Dantman|FS>	I've actually been ignoring it for awhile
[21:22:41] <aroekene>	When i transclude a template from one site to another, it adds a whitespace on top over the wikitext. It doesn't happen when i include templates from the same site. Why does it happen and how do i fix it?
[21:22:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) More versatile searching in CheckUser log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14699 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (mike.lifeguard)
[21:22:54] <Dantman|FS>	http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/mediawiki-extensions/trunk/CodeTest/CodeTest.class.php?revision=67&view=markup
[21:22:54] <Duesentrieb>	well, this type of confusion is why the recursiveTagParse function exists. but i guess it's not used when fetching system messages
[21:23:09] <Dantman|FS>	My issue has something to do with $parser->extractTagsAndParams
[21:23:47] <Dantman|FS>	http://dev.wiki-tools.com/edit/Sandbox
[21:25:21] <Dantman|FS>	Oh well
[21:25:28] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman|FS: i dunno what exactly you are doing, but if you are using the parser directly, inside a tag handler, you should clone it first.
[21:25:42] <Duesentrieb>	or use recursiveTagParse, if appropriate
[21:29:55] <aroekene>	When i transclude a template from one site to another, it adds a whitespace on top over the wikitext. It doesn't happen when i include templates from the same site. Why does it happen and how do i fix it?
[21:40:56] <CIA-54>	03daniel * r36864 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (CategoryTree.js CategoryTree.php CategoryTreeFunctions.php): introduced configurable namespace filtering (and fixed some glitches)
[21:49:53] <CIA-54>	03dale * r36865 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/skins/mvpcf/style.css: updated style
[21:50:40] <CIA-54>	03dale * r36866 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (11 files in 7 dirs): new "unified search" template support
[22:17:55] <CIA-54>	03demon * r36867 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/SpecialGadgets.php: Bug 13287 - if you say "edit this page," it makes sense to take them to action=edit.
[22:18:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Edit" link not working as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13287  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:25:33] <guyvdb>	what's the mediawiki policy on using PHP5 features?
[22:27:14] <Schroeder>	using the Special:Import extension, I'm not able to import MediaWiki:Edittools from Wikipedia
[22:27:17] <Schroeder>	it says "Import failed: Couldn't open import file"
[22:29:34] <^demon>	guyvdb: Seeing as 1.6.x is the last PHP4 branch.
[22:29:46] <^demon>	I would figure PHP5-only functions are fair game for trunk.
[22:29:58] <guyvdb>	okay
[22:30:18] <CIA-54>	03simetrical * r36868 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProxyTools.php: Add comment explaining mystery list of IP addresses
[22:30:31] <guyvdb>	thanks
[22:31:09] <guyvdb>	I'm hacking on existing code, is it best practice to introduce visibility modifiers where they arn't used?
[22:31:19] <guyvdb>	same thing for constructors and argument types
[22:31:46] <Simetrical>	guyvdb, there's some argument about visibility modifiers.
[22:31:52] <Simetrical>	Tim doesn't like private methods.
[22:32:00] <Simetrical>	So he doesn't use visibility, mostly.
[22:32:28] <guyvdb>	okay
[22:32:31] <Simetrical>	There might be objections to mass addition of "private".
[22:32:35] <Simetrical>	(Plus it will probably break things.)
[22:32:49] <Simetrical>	Don't know what you mean, exactly, with constructors and argument types.
[22:32:58] <Simetrical>	If you want to change all constructors to __construct I doubt anyone will care.
[22:33:31] <guyvdb>	well, last time i developed in PHP was 5 years ago, I don't even think PHP5 existed back then. I'm reading through the manual leanring about the 'new' features
[22:33:49] <Simetrical>	Lots of new OO-ish stuff.
[22:33:56] <aroekene>	need help with interwiki transclusion. Anyone?
[22:34:00] <Simetrical>	Still the same old trashy language for the most part, though.
[22:34:01] <guyvdb>	i'm usually a Java developer so the additions make sense to me
[22:34:10] <Simetrical>	aroekene, using $wgEnableScaryTranscluding or whatever it is?
[22:34:20] <aroekene>	jup
[22:34:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add Opera Mini Browser IP range to the list of trusted XFF headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14700 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (thatcher131)
[22:35:22] <Schroeder>	any thoughts on why I can't import MediaWiki:Edittools?
[22:35:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Add Opera Mini Browser IP range to the list of trusted XFF headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14700   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[22:35:53] <Oh_so_ethical>	Currently I set up my apache2 configs so wiki.mydomain.org will point to /var/www/wiki
[22:36:10] <Oh_so_ethical>	However, while the main page shows up, the scripts for the css, design, etc do not
[22:36:36] <Oh_so_ethical>	Something I'm doing wrong?
[22:36:58] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblem | Oh_so_ethical
[22:36:58] --mwbot--	Oh_so_ethical: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[22:37:51] <Oh_so_ethical>	Ok
[22:37:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Add Opera Mini Browser IP range to the list of trusted XFF headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14700  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:38:33] <Simetrical>	aroekene, that feature is probably kind of broken.
[22:38:38] <Simetrical>	Not really well tested AFAIK.
[22:39:26] <Duesentrieb>	it's called "$wgEnableScaryTranscluding" for a reason...
[22:39:46] *Splarka 	hides behind the couch
[22:40:47] <aroekene>	hmm.. working 95% fine, problem is that it ads a double space before the rest of the template. 
[22:42:49] <aroekene>	just wondered if anyone have seen this before and if there is a "fix" for it...
[22:43:48] <Simetrical>	aroekene, haven't seen many people use it before.
[22:44:01] <Simetrical>	Sure there's not a line break at the beginning of the foreign template?
[22:44:05] <Duesentrieb>	maybe tidy related
[22:44:35] <Duesentrieb>	maybe some start-of-line-makes-html-block crap
[22:44:36] <Duesentrieb>	whatever
[22:44:53] <aroekene>	no. if i use the template in the same site it shows up normal
[22:47:46] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: fixed what?
[22:50:05] <Schroeder>	anyone know why I might be having troubles trying to import Wikipedia's MediaWiki:Edittools?
[22:53:59] <Oh_so_ethical>	As an xml file?
[22:54:52] <Schroeder>	well
[22:54:55] <Schroeder>	I'm trying to transwiki it
[22:55:21] <Oh_so_ethical>	Oh
[22:55:37] <Oh_so_ethical>	I think the wiki has to be in the interwiki list
[22:55:44] <Oh_so_ethical>	The wiki you are trying to import from
[22:56:00] <Oh_so_ethical>	So if en.wiki isn't in your interwiki list,then it won't work, IIRC
[22:56:29] <Schroeder>	it is
[22:56:38] <Schroeder>	and it doesn't have to be, no
[22:56:44] <Schroeder>	interwiki != transwiki
[22:56:56] <Schroeder>	you do have to have a list for transwiki, but it's separate from the interwiki link list
[22:56:59] <Schroeder>	and it's in the transwiki list
[22:57:13] <Schroeder>	and in fact, I've been able to import anything else I've tried to import with no problem
[22:58:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Add Opera Mini Browser IP range to the list of trusted XFF headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14700  (10thatcher131)
[23:02:06] <MZMcBride>	^demon|food: Can I beg of you an SVN commit? :) Specifically, a goofy and inane one? 
[23:05:22] <recognizer>	hi, how can I sync 2 wikis, one in mysql and the other in postgresql, and if its posible, where can i find the configuration proccess?
[23:06:53] <aroekene>	s
[23:08:37] <aroekene>	Simetrical: There is a difference in the sourcecode from the different pages. this is added on the site where there is a whitespace on top: <p><br /> </p>
[23:08:54] <aroekene>	where does it get this from?
[23:12:09] <^demon|food>	MZMcBride: How goofy?
[23:12:16] <MZMcBride>	The tab on the Main Page.
[23:12:28] <MZMcBride>	People are pushing for re-implementing the JS hack. :/
[23:13:25] <^demon|food>	MZMcBride: I missed part of this story. Details plz :-P
[23:13:38] <^demon>	(Finished eating :-P)
[23:13:46] <Werdna>	I know what it is
[23:13:53] <Werdna>	he wants a separate tab label for the main page
[23:13:55] <MZMcBride>	For a long time, we used a JS hack to make 'article' be 'main page' on the Main Page and Talk:Main_Page.
[23:14:15] <^demon>	I thought we _had_ that. Mainpage and mainpage-description?
[23:14:16] <MZMcBride>	A user decided to remove the JS function in favor of using a ParserFunction in a MediaWiki message.
[23:14:21] <Werdna>	Don't people have something better to do?
[23:15:18] <MZMcBride>	^demon: D/omas didn't like the ParserFunction being in the MediaWiki page for performance reasons.
[23:15:34] <MZMcBride>	And so now the Main Page has a tab that says 'article,' which people want to rectify again.
[23:15:34] <^demon>	JS hacks are silly. parserfunc hacks in MW messages are silly too. Especially for something as oft-loaded as the article tab label.
[23:15:42] <MZMcBride>	Right.
[23:15:53] <Werdna>	But why do people care?
[23:16:04] <^demon>	Because god forbid the mainpage be an article?
[23:16:09] <MZMcBride>	Werdna: You've never seen [[WT:MOS]], have you?
[23:16:11] <Werdna>	How can you honestly think that you're improving Wikipedia by having 'article' there?
[23:16:13] <Splarka>	it is *not* inefficient to do a JS hack
[23:16:24] <^demon>	I really dunno Werdna. I'm perfectly content to have it say "Article."
[23:16:26] <Splarka>	that is much less stressful on the servers, moves the burden to the clients who care
[23:16:30] <MZMcBride>	We have quite a few OCD whackjobs in our midst. ;)
[23:16:43] <Werdna>	I mean, by *not* having 'article' there.
[23:16:59] <Werdna>	JS Hacks don't matter
[23:17:05] <Werdna>	CSS Hacks would do the trick too.
[23:17:11] <MZMcBride>	Hacks are bad.
[23:17:12] <^demon>	Werdna: The 'pedia will fall with the homepage being called "article."
[23:17:16] <MZMcBride>	Bad, bad, bad.
[23:17:17] <^demon>	It's not an article. Oh god no.
[23:17:27] *^demon 	chuckles.
[23:17:34] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: Why?
[23:17:37] <Werdna>	The JS runs on the client
[23:17:42] <Werdna>	it doesn't bug the servers.
[23:17:48] <MZMcBride>	And people download it on every page load.
[23:17:55] <MZMcBride>	No.
[23:17:58] *Splarka 	suggested CSS hack a few weeks ago, was ignored
[23:18:03] <MZMcBride>	They download it every time their browser requires them to.
[23:18:11] <Splarka>	you could just display:none the button but...
[23:18:16] <Werdna>	Right, and it's always being downloaded.
[23:18:19] <MZMcBride>	And it's a good deal of JS, which only works if JS is enabled.
[23:18:20] <Werdna>	Splarka: That would be hideous
[23:18:27] <Splarka>	any other action also has it hidden... edit, history, bare diff...
[23:18:35] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: If it, you know, mattered, then I'd care.
[23:18:39] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=64431581  <-- thinks it is on the main page
[23:18:49] <MZMcBride>	^demon: I was thinking if page title is equal to what MediaWiki:Mainpage is set to, use a different message for the tab.
[23:18:49] *^demon 	suggests telling those who honestly care enough what a frickin tab says to pull their heads out of their rears.
[23:19:16] <MZMcBride>	I think you commented on this bug...
[23:19:24] <MZMcBride>	That's why I was asking you about it.
[23:19:34] <Splarka>	I think you're biased calling it a bug, heh
[23:19:34] <^demon>	Then I shall pull my head from my rear as well :-P
[23:19:36] <^demon>	Bug #?
[23:19:43] <Splarka>	please assume NPOV... call it "missing feature"
[23:19:51] <MZMcBride>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267
[23:20:00] <Splarka>	missingfeaturezilla
[23:20:05] *MZMcBride 	gently stabs Splarka.
[23:20:18] <Werdna>	Anyway, I'm not going to waste time on it. Somebody else can do it, though. I don't care.
[23:20:21] <^demon>	MZMcBride: So yes, apparently I cared enough to comment :-P
[23:20:27] *Splarka 	gently bleeds
[23:20:35] <MZMcBride>	Anyway, it's not as though people really care, but now we have a regression.
[23:20:49] <^demon>	It's not a regression. It was enwiki being stupid.
[23:20:50] <Splarka>	the main page stuff should be moved to the main page JS anyway
[23:20:51] <MZMcBride>	And the Main Page is loaded quite often, putting the law of large numbers into effect...
[23:21:04] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: site JS is loaded per-pageview
[23:21:08] <Werdna>	Main Page or not
[23:21:13] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == whatever) importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js/Mainpage.js')
[23:21:14] <MZMcBride>	It's cached, though.
[23:21:17] <Werdna>	the only performance hit from doing it on the client is ON the client.
[23:21:28] <Werdna>	We don't care about client performance, tbh
[23:21:35] <MZMcBride>	So it has to render it all, but only downloads it occasionally. And it's gzipped.
[23:21:39] <Splarka>	Werd: to be fair, a bit more bandwidth is used too
[23:21:42] <MZMcBride>	I care about it.
[23:22:06] <MZMcBride>	It takes a very long time to load certain articles when logged in. :/
[23:22:08] <Werdna>	Splarka: Oh noes, not an extra hundred bytes.
[23:22:08] <MZMcBride>	It sucks.
[23:22:16] *MZMcBride 	stabs Werdna.
[23:22:23] *Splarka 	grins
[23:22:28] *Splarka 	gives werd a bandage
[23:22:34] <MZMcBride>	Not everyone has a fast connection. Not everyone is using a standard browser.
[23:22:35] <^demon>	I noticed the Werdna stabbing wasn't gentle...
[23:22:46] <MZMcBride>	An extra 100 bytes on a piece of shit cell phone is a lot. 
[23:22:57] <^demon>	Most cells don't load JS ;-)
[23:23:13] <Werdna>	Well, before you start witch hunting 100 bytes, why not clear the rest of the crap out of our site-wise CSS/JS
[23:23:23] <MZMcBride>	We've been trying. :P
[23:23:33] <Werdna>	If those were not hundreds of kB each, then maybe we'd hear you complaining about it.
[23:23:35] <MZMcBride>	There's a DISPLAYTITLE bug that needs fixing. Volunteering? :)
[23:24:36] <^demon>	I never understood why displaytitle only allowed for minor changing of the original title. If it's only for _display_, why not allow everything?
[23:24:51] <Splarka>	copypaste
[23:25:10] <Splarka>	you know how many people copy the firstHeading to paste into a [[link]] in another page?
[23:25:18] <Splarka>	try breaking it on 3000 wikis at once and see ^_^
[23:25:44] <Splarka>	[[IPod]] works the same as [[iPod]], hence displaytitle
[23:25:51] *MZMcBride 	nods. The rule is that it has to be linkable.
[23:27:10] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN1_reaction
[23:28:59] <Splarka>	it doesn't fix the URL...
[23:29:10] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:29:19] <Splarka>	MZM: so should displaytitle support different font sets too?
[23:29:38] <MZMcBride>	It should support whatever the current JS supports. 
[23:29:43] <MZMcBride>	No regressions. :)
[23:29:43] <Splarka>	{{DISPLAYTITLE:foo<span style="font-family:monospace">bar</span>baz}}
[23:30:09] <MZMcBride>	Might be nice if it did, though I can't the practicality of it...
[23:30:13] <Splarka>	{{DISPLAYTITLE:some <tt>title</tt> that officially has <tt>monospaced</tt> words, omg hell to pay if it doesn't!}}
[23:30:19] <Splarka>	there is lots of regression
[23:30:37] <MZMcBride>	We shouldn't encourage them.
[23:31:37] <CIA-54>	03brion * r36869 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt opensearch_desc.php): (log message trimmed)
[23:31:37] <CIA-54>	OpenSearch cleanup; Firefox now sends you to the search page for empty searches instead of the domain root (which may not even be a wiki).
[23:31:37] <CIA-54>	This is done by adding the <moz:SearchForm> extension element with the Special:Search URL.
[23:31:37] <CIA-54>	Removed the 24-character truncation on ShortName... neither Firefox nor IE seems
[23:31:40] <CIA-54>	to care about longer names, but both expect the ShortName and <link> title to
[23:31:42] <CIA-54>	match, and will think you have a duplicate search provider if they don't match
[23:31:44] <CIA-54>	because only one was truncated. (Besides, 24 was longer than the spec's limit of
[23:32:51] <TheOracle23>	(Splarka) Can you help me?I want to make a login form on the Main Page of my site,not on the wiki,but for the wiki.Here's the source code for the wiki login:http://rafb.net/p/aeJ87g91.html
[23:34:03] <Splarka>	what does "not on the wiki, but for the wiki" mean?
[23:34:29] <TheOracle23>	a login form on a page that is not on the wiki,but logs you into the wiki
[23:34:37] <^demon>	I would suggest the API.
[23:34:47] <Splarka>	heh
[23:35:01] <Splarka>	yah, that would probably be doable
[23:35:35] <Splarka>	hmmmmmm
[23:35:37] <TheOracle23>	I need help though,I'm not sure where the core parts are ;)
[23:35:49] <^demon>	api.php?action=login&lgname=user&lgpassword=password
[23:35:54] <^demon>	^ There you go :-)
[23:36:01] <Splarka>	will that set the cookies though?
[23:36:05] <OverlordQ>	yes
[23:36:14] <TheOracle23>	That's unsecure,it has the userpass in ti
[23:36:21] <TheOracle23>	it*
[23:36:23] <OverlordQ>	TheOracle23: then use a POST
[23:36:39] <Splarka>	<form method="POST" action="pathttoyour/api.php">
[23:36:41] <OverlordQ>	loging in through the API requires a POST anyways
[23:36:59] <TheOracle23>	hmm
[23:36:59] <Splarka>	<input name="lgname" value="" type="text" />
[23:37:04] <TheOracle23>	hold on,I'll try that
[23:37:08] <Splarka>	<input name="lgpassword" value="" type="password" />
[23:37:52] <Splarka>	<input name="action" value="login" type="hidden" />
[23:39:42] <Splarka>	and probably a submit button
[23:39:47] <Splarka>	works for me
[23:40:47] <Splarka>	TheOracle23: 
[23:40:51] <Splarka>	<form method="POST" action="http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php">user: <input name="lgname" value="" type="text" /><br />password: <input name="lgpassword" value="" type="password" /><input name="action" value="login" type="hidden" /><br /><input type="submit" name="wpLoginattempt" value="Log in" /></form>
[23:40:59] <Splarka>	change the action="" to whatever the URL is to your API
[23:41:18] *Splarka 	blinks
[23:41:29] <Splarka>	<^demon> I would suggest the API.
[23:41:37] <Splarka>	demon? why? why not just the regular login form?
[23:41:59] <Splarka>	you should be able to transpose it to a main page and change the action=""
[23:49:12] <TheOracle23>	Can't see if it worked,every time I try to get to the wiki I get a proxy error
[23:49:21] <Werdna>	I would suggest an AuthPlugin, myself.
[23:50:26] <TheOracle23>	try going to the wiki:http://oracle-nui.zxq.net/wiki/
[23:50:51] <TheOracle23>	Somehow the proxy is unable to handle it,but not the rest of my site
[23:53:39] <TheOracle23>	anyone help?
[23:56:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The tab on the main page should read "main page", not "article" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14267  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:57:53] <Werdna>	TheOracle23: Help what?
[23:58:21] <TheOracle23>	with my problem with a proxy
[23:58:38] <Werdna>	It's not really a MediaWiki issue. What's the error message?
[23:58:44] <Werdna>	cool logo, btw
[23:58:46] <TheOracle23>	hold on
[23:58:56] <TheOracle23>	what logo?
[23:59:15] <Werdna>	on your wiki