[00:04:20] hey Splarka [00:04:28] me [00:21:27] 03river * r37456 10/trunk/switchboard/ (9 files): compile fixes for studio compiler [00:39:39] i was reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements and was wondering how much hard drive space to consider for a site i'm planning that will likely contain 300 pages, with plenty of images used for logos etc. is there any way to anticipate that or give a reasonable ballpark? [00:40:03] i'm thinking of pitching it to my IT folks as 10 GB, but my guess is that's maybe even a little too much? [00:42:50] 300 pages? its gonna be the size of your images [00:42:52] 300 is nothing [00:43:14] yeah, i didn't think so. that's reassuring. [00:43:48] I've got 3000 pages with 1,275 media files and only use 1.2 gb, and most of the images are decent quality [00:44:02] wow, that's really good to know. [00:44:26] ...does depend a teeny tiny bit on how many edits these pages will get though [00:44:32] i was hoping to get by with 2 or 5 GB, so i think that'll be good. 5 would be plenty of room to grow into [00:44:34] if you have 300 pages with a million revisions each.. [00:44:41] Splarka: of course :) [00:44:42] full text of each revision is stored forever (by default) [00:44:51] this won't be too crazy [00:45:17] only a few people will be editing the pages and most of the content is written and revised already [00:47:46] thanks for the information, YurtleTheTurtle and Splarka :) [00:50:23] rar [00:52:30] Why is diving gear so expensive.... :( [00:57:09] YurtleTheTurtle, probably government regulations. [00:57:32] Stupid communist nanny state not wanting people to be concussed and then drown when their diving tank explodes or something. [00:57:33] water is the most dangerous thing in the universe, it is the optimum bi-polar solvent, it is unstable and dangerous [00:57:42] Water is pretty stable. [00:57:49] the fact that we are made of it is proof enough [00:57:59] Splarka - ClF3 [00:58:00] yknow the joke pages of the dangers of "dihydrogen monoxide"? heh [00:58:14] Splarka: I'm not terribly worried about disolving :) [00:58:18] Those aren't exactly "jokes". [00:58:19] would it be feasible to log the use of mailuser, to show who sends messages to whom? [00:58:21] More like hoaxes. [00:58:24] well, no, *we* are pretty safe from it [00:58:25] Simetrical: Don't live in the nanny state, live in the police state [00:58:30] Dragonfly6-7, yes, but it's been rejected out of hand as intrusive. [00:58:38] but diving gear? it isn't cheap to make things water safe [00:58:38] Splarka - ever fall through river ice? [00:58:40] I have. [00:59:02] well, sure, you can drown with a few teaspoons of what you're made of [00:59:26] but it won't eat our flesh if it is of semi-reasonable temperature, pressure, volume, velocity [00:59:37] unlike a poor innocent chunk of sodium metal [00:59:52] http://www.google.com/search?q=water+universal+solvent [01:00:42] even better is water with sand [01:02:01] Simetrical: water is only "stable" on average [01:02:24] sitting there innocently with a pH of a neutral, it is actually constantly churning out oxides and hydroxides [01:04:31] define 'neutral' [01:04:37] 'neutral' is anthropocentric [01:04:39] Isn't its pH only neutral by definition? [01:04:40] it's a pH of 7 [01:04:46] right, the pH of water [01:04:49] Dragonfly6-7, only at 25° C. [01:04:50] what we are made of [01:05:00] aquacentric [01:05:04] however [01:05:27] this isn't just some random thing we decided on as neutral [01:05:53] it is the equal concentration of hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions [01:06:43] water is (well, neutral water is) neutral because it has a pretty much equal amount of both, in truth it is very unneutral [01:06:50] mmm, contradictory [01:07:21] this is like calling Stonehenge a henge, and calling other things like it henges, then finding out Stonehenge is unique, and no longer a henge [01:07:35] I feel like I shoud appologzie to the rest of the channel for starting a chemistry discussion... [01:07:54] and sure, chlorine triflouride is nasty, but what turns it into hydrofluoric acid? why, it seems to be water ^_^ [01:08:19] You don't really have hydrogen ions, I thought. You really have hydronium ions. [01:08:24] YurtleTheTurtle: well, water is very nasty to work with, so diving equipment is expensive [01:08:34] mmm, Semantrical [01:08:52] Hydrofluoric acid is HF, not chlorine trifluoride, I know that much. [01:09:20] Splarka: I only dive in freshwater, most of it hasn't seen light in 50+ years. Its been running through limestone for so long, I don't consdier it a threat to my gear. [01:09:35] Simetrical: get ClF3 near H20 you immediately get HF, which.. well.. you don't want HF [01:09:47] spelunking? [01:09:50] HF isn't even a strong acid. [01:10:09] define strong [01:10:14] Splarka: Spelunking is on land. Cave diving. That is why my gear is so expensive. [01:10:15] Stronger than hydronium ion. [01:10:21] Anybody reasonable with C++ around? [01:10:21] coke has a pH of 2.5, it is a strong acid [01:10:51] No, it's not. Strong acids are like HCl, HBr, H2SO4, . . . [01:11:04] YurtleTheTurtle: um.. spelunking is IN land, and can involve water (probably not usually_ [01:11:06] Also, HF is an acid even out of water, in the sense of being a proton donor. [01:11:13] it was my way of asking if you did your diving while in caves [01:11:19] Strong = dissociates entirely in solution, as HNO3 or HCl or H2SO4, unlike CH3COOH, citric acid, or whatever, which form an equillibrium between the acids and their conjugate bases. [01:11:31] Werdna, I see you're also taking chem courses recently. [01:11:38] Right, exactly. [01:11:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_acid [01:11:41] heh, I did acids ages ago. [01:11:46] heh, well, that definition doesn't equate directly to how dangerous it is [01:11:53] correct. [01:12:01] and HF is .. bad [01:12:16] heck, you can store pure fluorine in a bottle, if you don't get any hydrogen or oxygen near it [01:12:20] How dangerous it is is affected by its strength, concentration, and how many protons it can donates. [01:12:56] Well, fluorine is extremely reactive. [01:13:08] high electronegativity. [01:13:12] You probably don't have pure fluorine lying around. [01:13:24] It'll start reacting with the bottle walls, I expect. [01:13:34] ahh [01:13:39] not if they're coated with transparent teflon [01:13:58] well, it will, but will just trade fluorine atoms [01:14:50] http://theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Samples/009.5/s7s.JPG [01:14:51] Werdna: I am fairly competent with C++ [01:14:59] flyingparchment: Ah, you're around. [01:15:11] flyingparchment, heh. [01:15:14] Yurtle: briefly: you'll notice the same expense around surgical implements, and implants, it is hard to find metals that don't react in our bodies [01:15:39] titanium, niobium, sometimes gold (though people are allergic, in rare cases) [01:15:48] I'm trying to read STDIN as if it were a socket. i.e. I'm after the equivalent of 'int count = recv( r_socket, &buf, sizeof(buf), NULL );' for reading from STDIN [01:16:02] Werdna: Windows or Unix? [01:16:05] readsome returns immediately, read returns when it's got sizeof(buf) characters. [01:16:06] and tantalum [01:16:09] flyingparchment: unix [01:16:59] Werdna: firstly, the last argument to recv is not a pointer, it's an int. specify it as 0, not NULL [01:17:31] Werdna: and since you don't specify any flags, you might as well use read(), which is otherwise identical [01:18:54] fuck fuck fuck fuck [01:18:58] I waited too long, and now it's raining [01:19:16] Splarka - fluorine will eat through glass [01:19:40] flyingparchment: ahh, so socket functions and regular functions can be interchanged [01:19:56] meaning.. I can just use read( stdin, &buf, sizeof(buf) ); for what I'm after..? [01:19:57] Werdna: on Unix, recv and read can both read from files and sockets [01:20:09] but not on Windows, iirc. (but i don't do windows programming) [01:20:23] Actually, I think I remember that being true of windows [01:21:13] connect_client.cpp:95: error: invalid conversion from â_IO_FILE*â to âintâ [01:21:36] Werdna: you're using 'stdin'? that's a FILE*, not an int. use fileno(stdin) [01:21:49] aha [01:21:53] or STDIN_FILENO, since it's a constant (0) [01:21:54] it compiles [01:22:29] and works [01:22:34] merci beaucoup. [01:23:26] sizeof(buf)? Isn't that generally going to be 4 or 8? [01:24:32] char buf[1024]; [01:25:04] Simetrical: not if buf is an array [01:25:10] then it returns sizeof(elem)*nelems [01:25:33] Oh, I never realized that. [01:25:34] Interesting. [01:25:47] *Simetrical just ran a test and found that's indeed true [01:26:15] But sizeof(&buf) is 4. [01:26:22] Right. [01:26:23] because &buf is a pointer, not an array [01:26:47] I thought arrays behaved more similarly to pointers than that. Shows you how much C I know. [01:30:44] 03river * r37457 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (13 files in 3 dirs): TSapr, TSapu, Tslog4cxx: new specs [01:46:45] 03river * r37458 10/trunk/switchboard/ (Makefile Makefile.config.example process.cc swkill.c): - build fixes [01:47:55] 03(mod) by default, every user should see the newest revision at german wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14306 +comment (10paul.copperman) [01:48:00] 14(DUP) Change flagged revs configuration for test on de-wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14777 +comment (10paul.copperman) [01:57:49] 03river * r37459 10/trunk/switchboard/ (fcgi_cgi.cc fcgi_server_connection.cc): don't use cout for debugging [02:08:38] Hey, is there a magic word for capitalizing the first letters of all sentences? [02:12:31] Soxred93: {{ucfirst:text}} [02:12:54] That's only the first letter [02:13:07] oh all sentences [02:13:19] I want something like blah. blAH. bLAH. to become Blah. BlAH. BLAH. [02:13:26] I think I know how, though [02:15:31] 14(DUP) "Mark as patrolled" not available when enhanced recent changes is enabled - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9768 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [02:15:36] 03(mod) No patrol link for new pages in enhanced recent changes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [02:17:03] 03(mod) No patrol link for new pages in enhanced recent changes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 (10marcin.cieslak) [02:17:16] 03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 (10marcin.cieslak) [02:18:59] 03(mod) Mark changes patrolled when their diff page is edited - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12641 (10marcin.cieslak) [02:19:07] 03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 (10marcin.cieslak) [02:38:46] 03(mod) "logged" user rights, when configured for anonymous use, are not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14735 +schema-change; +comment (10innocentkiller) [02:39:28] hi [02:40:57] I don't know where to ask already: I need a knowledge base web based solution which can show data in hierarchical order, with wyiwyg editor and search. [02:41:00] any ideas? [02:53:12] I know this may sound stupid, but is there a way to supress the article and media listings in a category view? [02:58:39] YurtleTheTurtle: you could get the info via an API query... are you only interested in subcategories? [03:01:20] More so I'm going to use SMW to display relevent pages. This would only be done on the lowest level categories, so few if any sub-categories [03:01:44] I figure I can just jerry rig it by redirecting to an article with the appropiate data. [03:05:15] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 +comment (10jonathan.l.schilling) [03:13:23] YurtleTheTurtle: so, wait, not interested in subcategories, articles, *or* media listings? [03:16:45] Its the base level category. Articles are in this category, however they will be displayed to the users in a way (other then the build in index style). This is also only for a few categoires, so it would need to be a magic word. And since you havn't mentioned one yet, i doubt it exists :) [03:18:21] odd [03:18:34] well, you could display:none; the relevant divs, but.. it'd still be there [03:19:31] Hm.. Thats a pesudo-security issue I wouldn't want to open up. [03:19:47] oh, this is more than stylistic? [03:20:41] 1 sec let me verify my claim before attempting to support it :) [03:22:36] looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/CategoryPageView ? [03:23:18] Hm. [03:23:39] I think it would be easier to add a magic word to add the display:non css to the div lol [03:24:03] I can never find anything in the MW manual, even tho when I started modding it there wasn't really a manual to speak of [03:25:50] Or I could just use both category listings lol [03:42:09] 14(WFM) No patrol link for new pages in enhanced recent changes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 +comment (10jayvdb) [03:42:14] 03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 (10jayvdb) [04:27:49] hey brion [04:29:19] oy [04:29:44] what are you doing up so late :P [04:30:03] :) [04:31:59] I showed someone in the UK the current California weather, they said "'Smoke' is weather in California?" [04:32:51] hey wtf [04:33:05] I included the same header file in a bunch of different source files, and it's like "Multiple definitions" [04:33:09] lame! [04:34:04] Werdna: at the top of the header write this: #ifndef THEHEADER_H #define THEHEADER_H and at the end write: #endif [04:35:07] flyingparchment: No use. Those compiler things are parsed at compile-time, not link time. [04:35:13] uh [04:35:34] are you putting definitions in a header? don't do that.. [04:36:02] flyingparchment: Forward definitions of functions and so on.. [04:36:21] if you get multiple definition at _link_ time, it's not caused by foward declarations or prototypes [04:36:56] oh, you're right, it's only variables which are triggering. [04:37:15] Should I be putting extern before the variable definitions and putting them all in a separate CPP file? [04:37:23] yes [04:37:37] extern makes them become declarations rather than definitions [04:37:49] you can declare something as many times as you want, but you can only define (= allocate storage) once [04:45:28] nifty, thanks. [04:47:38] 03brion * r37460 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [04:47:38] Revert r37443 for the moment: [04:47:38] * Code duplication of validity checks between wfIsValidFileName() and UploadForm::internalProcessUpload() -- this guarantees behavior will become inconsistent over time. Move the normalization into a single place. [04:47:38] * The additional chars excluded for Windows don't cover the entire set of illegal chars. There are several more punctuation characters, plus general issues such as all non-ASCII characters. [04:47:41] * Application of filesystem rules based on OS could result in strange inconsistent behavior; alternate filestore backends could support different sets of legal characters. [04:47:44] * No clear reason for the change to wfVarDump(); var_export works just fine and doesn't use the fragile output buffering [04:49:02] Special:BlockIP without permissions gives {{MediaWiki:Badaccess-groups|Administrators|singular=yes}} [04:49:14] Or is that already known thing [05:39:38] flyingparchment: If I'm using a struct to send protocol data over a socket (i.e. struct Socks4aRequest, and having a bunch of members underneath that), it seems to append a few NULLs at the end. How do I get rid of that? [05:39:53] Werdna: don't send a struct over a socket [05:40:12] Werdna: those nulls are padding, which is randomly inserted by the compiler in a way you can't portably control [05:40:27] okay, so what do I do to send data over the network properly? [05:40:28] Werdna: as well as that, any integers in the struct are encoded differently on different machines and you won't be able to decode them elsewhere [05:40:46] you need to encode it into individual parts (each number, string, etc.) in a machine-independent way [05:40:58] you should probably use boost.serialiazation library (www.boost.org) which already knows how to do this for you [05:41:27] It is /very/ tempting to just hardcode the length of the struct so the padding goes away. [05:41:50] sure, if your like your program only working on 32-bit Intel PCs and randomly breaking when you change compiler [05:44:14] Isn't there some C++ version of pack()? :) [05:45:48] yes. it's called boost.serialization [05:45:59] *Werdna is looking at it [05:47:08] I've seen stuff like that (google released one a few days ago), but I don't think it would work with what I'm trying to do (write a SOCKS client) [05:48:01] At first blush, it seems that the socks server would have to be using the same library [05:52:48] uh.. i can guarantee SOCKS protocol doesn't work by writing raw structs ;) [05:53:36] Yes, but I mean that it's some serialisation format other than raw bytes [05:54:02] Mmmm... socks.... I'm barefoot rightnow... hmm, maybe I should turn mine into puppets... heh [05:54:34] Dan: if you're gonna heckle the devs, at least be funny [05:54:39] brb. [05:54:48] have to pick up sister from friends' house. [06:09:18] 03raymond * r37461 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php: * (bug 12996) Add Wikimedia specific user groups to allow localization [06:09:59] 03(FIXED) Can't localize some user groups in Special:Listusers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12996 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:26:03] Anyone know how to create a template that would show all pages with a certain tag on it? [06:27:23] 03raymond * r37462 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/ (BoardVote.alias.php BoardVote.php): * Add special page aliases file [06:30:33] <_wooz> lo [06:33:12] xiaden: you can use Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Templatename to see that list, but to put it inline you probably want to categorize all pages using that tag (via the tag itself) and have the DPL extension show you the pages in that category (inline) [06:33:17] hello [06:34:58] Splarka: i'm kinda noob at wiki, but thanks anyways =] guess i have some research to do. [06:37:08] xiaden: perhaps you just want categories then [06:37:25] if you make [[Template:Foo]]... (that is a tag, or template)... [06:37:27] 03raymond * r37463 10/trunk/extensions/Oversight/ (HideRevision.alias.php HideRevision.php): * Add special page aliases file [06:37:45] with contents:

some message

[[Category:Bar]] [06:37:59] on the page Category:Bar, you'll see all the pages that contain {{foo}} [06:40:51] back [06:43:03] Splarka: Perhaps i should Explain what i'm doing =P A site i found has a wiki using the template{{foo}} for articles that are in need or editing. On their main page though, they have a template that only lists pages manually that have the tag. how would i automate that template? Just make the catagory "foo" and then Including it in the template would work? [06:43:13] 03raymond * r37464 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/ (SpecialNuke.alias.php SpecialNuke.php): * Add special page aliases file [06:55:10] xiaden: no, that would not automatically work [06:55:21] without an extension, what you can do is *link* people to the template [06:55:25] er category [06:55:39] [[:Category:Pages needing editing|You can help us out!]] [06:55:51] however, you could do it automatically with an extension like DPL [06:55:52] !dpl [06:55:52] --mwbot-- The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [06:58:20] 03(FIXED) Localization of some special pages in Arabic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10502 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:58:39] Splarka: i would have to contact the owner and have them instal it? [06:59:29] probably [06:59:47] (unless you have access to the LocalSettings, or it is already installed, or another extension is installed that could do it) [06:59:58] Splarka: lol [07:00:20] Splarka: no, i don't think they do, and i don't have any access [07:00:24] I'd say for now, put [[Category:Pages needing editing in the tag (unless something like it is already there) [07:00:29] But thanks ^_^ [07:00:31] er [[Category:Pages needing editing]] [07:00:36] and then link to it on the main page [07:00:47] [[:Category:Pages needing editing|pages needing editing]] [07:00:54] and tell the owner the list can be shown there automatically with DPL [07:09:59] 03nikerabbit * r37465 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUserrights.php: * Fix regression in 37317, random content going into logs [07:14:44] 03nikerabbit * r37466 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/aliases.txt: * Revert part of 37451, merge conflicts committed in [07:20:07] 03nikerabbit * r37467 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LocalNamesEn.php: * 1.6.0, might check other languages too someday [07:27:23] 03river * r37468 10/trunk/switchboard/ (12 files): [07:27:23] - support listening on AF_UNIX sockets as well as TCP [07:27:23] - rework socket type polymorphism to reduce code duplication [07:29:21] 03raymond * r37469 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke.php: typo [07:37:58] 03nikerabbit * r37470 10/trunk/phase3/languages/classes/LanguageMt.php: * Plural for Maltese [07:44:44] 03nikerabbit * r37471 10/trunk/phase3/languages/classes/LanguageMt.php: * WTF was I thinking... [07:51:29] 03shinjiman * r37472 10/trunk/phase3/ (18 files in 3 dirs): * (bug 451) Improve the phrase mappings of the Chinese converter arrays. [07:54:32] 03(NEW) PageHistory don't use limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (chantepie) [08:03:04] 03vasilievvv * r37473 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/cyrl/ (button_bold.png button_italic.png): * Optimize image size for common/images/cyrl/* [08:03:15] 03(mod) PageHistory don't use limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14778 15enhancement->normal; +patch (10raimond.spekking) [08:17:11] 03vasilievvv * r37474 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * (bug 14772) Disallow moving images to invalid titles [08:17:29] 03nikerabbit * r37475 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesKm.php: * Date formats for Khmer [08:17:34] 03(FIXED) Moving images to invalid titles possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14772 +comment (10vasilvv) [08:32:46] 03vasilievvv * r37476 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php specials/SpecialUpload.php): Fix previous commit (removed accidentally commited wfVarDump change + whitespace fix) [08:34:02] 03nikerabbit * r37477 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: * Why on earth is this using content language [08:57:26] 03vasilievvv * r37478 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Fix message [09:05:12] Hi All [09:05:45] Im wondering if someone can tell me why and tags would be showing up in text on my wiki [09:06:05] usually they are hidden (eg on wikipedia) but in this case they are not [09:06:18] is there something im missing [09:06:19] ? [09:06:24] !tidy [09:06:24] --mwbot-- Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see . [09:07:13] hmm, maybe !tidy should mention something about "as well as html tags split across templates" [09:07:22] Thanks guys [09:07:26] perfect answer [09:07:30] i didnt have it enabled [09:08:51] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10tony1) [09:09:45] Ok [09:09:50] Next question [09:09:53] :) [09:10:04] im runnig three wikis, all with seperate databases [09:10:13] i want to use central auth [09:10:24] can anyone be botherd giving me a step by step rundown? [09:10:35] is it too late to share the user databases? [09:10:43] i already am [09:10:55] but i would like SUL [09:11:08] how many domains? [09:11:27] They all run of the same DB and web server, so it doesnt matter (i dont think) [09:11:44] I mean, if they're on *.somesite.com you can do it without Central Auth [09:12:00] they are on different domains [09:12:03] ahh [09:12:26] i have to login into them individualy and its getting annoying :P [09:12:34] considering they share the user table [09:12:55] (for example, wikia.com has thousands of wikis on *.wikia.com and one user database, logging in to one gives you a cookie for all, for wikia.com and not for individual subdomains (unless needed)) [09:13:31] ok so how can i setup a cookie for all? [09:13:46] well, as they are on different domains you can't [09:14:10] OK [09:14:14] so sul will work? [09:14:18] sorry about caps [09:14:20] :P [09:14:21] *Splarka doesn't know if Central Auth or SUL can do that [09:14:21] they all have the same domain [09:14:28] and then they have /xxx [09:14:36] do they? well it should be possible then [09:14:44] which is where they are located, rather than xx.domain [09:14:57] (i help at all 3 of them ;) [09:14:59] :S [09:15:22] Ok we run several domains [09:15:29] *Splarka blinks [09:15:33] get your story straight [09:15:36] so, you can get to them all at http://203.122.240.118/commons, http://203.122.240.118/wiki and http://203.122.240.118/testwiki [09:15:39] and all the wiki's are hosted of sub folders [09:15:41] if you two were arrested you'd both convict each other [09:15:54] different urls bg [09:16:03] eg www.anarchywiki.org [09:16:09] and the no-ip ones? [09:16:19] basically the domains are inconsiistent [09:16:22] yeh but thats when we use them - the real ones are ^ [09:16:36] thats just to make them look pretty [09:16:50] yes but it makes a differnece to cookies and sul [09:16:51] well, you'll also have problems of not being logged in when you switch from IP to domain, I would guess [09:16:58] ye [09:16:59] i know [09:17:03] but wikipedia has the same prob, if you switch from the wikipedia.org to the secure.wikimedia.org [09:17:35] we just would have to stop using the domains, which for regular users (the ones likely to have SUL) wouldnt mind [09:17:45] the CentralAuth does more than set cookies across all the domains though, it also creates accounts on wikis you visit once you are universally logged in, as well as lets you merge accounts on wikis that you'd visited before CA was created [09:17:50] uh? [09:17:56] ẅhat's the problem [09:18:01] I am not sure if the autologin portion would work with a shared user database [09:18:09] I wanna setup SUL on my three wikis [09:18:15] but the domains are inconsistent [09:18:31] such as you can access the same wiki by any number of domains [09:18:32] Nikerabbit: share user database, different domains, they want to use the cookie magic to log in to all, [09:18:33] or by direct ip [09:18:47] but not merge accounts, auto-create accounts, etc etc [09:19:13] Splarka: uh? didn't they just say the have shared user database? [09:19:16] The users on all wiki;s are common (they all come out a shared sb) [09:19:23] db^ [09:19:37] no idea if ca handles that, but the different domains should not cause problems [09:19:39] Nikerabbit: yes, exactly, so they don't need to merge any accounts, or have auto login [09:19:45] er, auto-creation [09:19:57] well [09:20:14] Ok, what is the best way of doing this and how do i do it :) [09:20:50] do i ake the site cookie common to all wiki's [09:20:52] ? [09:21:16] or do i use something like central auth? [09:23:17] mmm, well if you are willing to use subfolders or subdomains, you can adjust the cookies to go to the root domain, and magically log you in to all, but that might be annoying... if you want to use the autologin of central auth, you should consult with someone who knows it quite well (brion prolly?) [09:24:33] or Werdna, hmm [09:24:47] *Splarka prods Werdna [09:26:33] ok [09:26:45] !Werdna [09:26:45] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "werdna". You might try: !op !ops [09:26:56] Wut? [09:27:28] stupid bot [09:27:31] :) [09:27:41] Werdna's op'ed in here? [09:27:44] I didn't know that. [09:28:02] probably not [09:28:17] he is, but that has nothing to do with the bot not knowing his name, or Prom3th3an wanting to axe him a question [09:28:38] I PM'd the bot and used the commands. [09:28:48] Kinda silly, in my opinion, but whatever. [09:28:56] what's wronng? [09:29:00] Werd! [09:29:06] Quick, catch him! [09:29:16] will AutoLogin work with a ... set of domains using a single user database? [09:29:16] CentralAuth [09:29:30] (so they don't need any merge or autocreate crap, just the cookies) [09:29:54] I don't think so [09:30:05] Ok so i would have to scrap the shard db [09:30:11] shared^ [09:30:11] arr, regression [09:30:22] "we have some fun tools but only if you had the foresight to have no foresight!" [09:31:21] ok so is there a way i can do it [09:31:24] if so how? [09:31:45] the instructions for central auth are very ......weak to say the least :) [09:31:53] laziest is to put them on the same domain [09:32:10] and the not so laziest? [09:32:12] maybe aliast them to xx.domain.com yy.domain.com zz.domain.com [09:32:27] or domain.com/xx/ [09:32:47] hmm, not so lazy, write your own autologin php [09:33:19] so like anarchywiki.servehttp.com, bionicwiki.servehttp.com and common.servehttp.com [09:33:25] the basics are: when someone successfully logs in, you drop an tag into the login success form for each companion domain [09:34:05] the img tag loads a php file in the src="" for each domain along with some verification token and username parameters, the act of getting an image from these domains lets them set a cookie on you [09:34:20] (me not php savy) [09:34:29] is Bluegoblin? heh [09:34:38] (prob not :P) [09:35:13] maybe Werdna can be bribed to make an extension (or fork off the necessary bits) similar to Central Auth that works for shared user databases, should be a much simpler version [09:35:26] I have lots of other stuff [09:35:28] or maybe he'll stab me [09:35:42] (you know you wanna) [09:35:57] PLEASE :P [09:36:15] pretty please :P [09:36:26] you know you wanna ( i think) :P [09:36:37] Ill be forever in your debt :P [09:36:43]

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