[00:07:38] 03(mod) {{DISPLAYTITLE}} Categorisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14685 (10danny.b) [00:15:54] 03(mod) Transclusion of Special pages not working with filter/limits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14692 (10danny.b) [00:19:17] 03river * r37575 10/trunk/switchboard/ (7 files): [00:19:17] - when connection to a child fails, create a new child and retry instead of sending an error to the server [00:19:17] - fcgi_application: instead of assuming the connection is immediately valid, [00:19:17] buffer records until the fcgi_cgi indicates the connection succeeded. (although [00:19:17] this was always wrong, it previously worked because connections happened [00:19:20] immediately, which is no longer the case when re-trying after a failed [00:19:22] connection.) [00:23:07] 03dale * r37576 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (8 files in 5 dirs): [00:23:07] stubs for metaData Helpers [00:23:07] unified search improvements [00:35:30] everyone thanks for the help. everything works great now. bye [01:07:24] 04(REOPENED) Show TOC on Special:SpecialPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13862 +comment (10danny.b) [01:14:50] 03(NEW) double hyphen should be interpreted as mdash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14795 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (EncMstr) [01:15:24] 03(mod) double hyphen should be interpreted as mdash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14795 (10EncMstr) [01:16:09] 03danny_b * r37577 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.php: * adding to proper group on Special:SpecialPages [01:27:21] !google [01:27:21] --mwbot-- You have't googled it yet. < http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com > [01:30:17] eh [03:02:44] Have a few DPL questions, can i ask them here? [03:09:24] ...? [03:09:47] !ask | xiaden [03:09:47] --mwbot-- xiaden: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [03:11:47] ight. I have a template that is using DPL to list pages that link another page. i want a comma & space in between each item, but not after the last item. how would i do that? [03:13:13] There is no way.... unless you do something realy complecated involving multiple DPL queries and a template [03:14:29] also, i have another Template thatshould list pages created before a certain day. the input is: "allrevisionsbefore=2008/07/06-13:00" . what should the output be to make the page titles show? [03:14:29] DPL is a ugly hackers tool... You can do a lot of things with it... but most of the time it just doesn't work quite right [03:21:41] i have a Template that should list pages created before a certain day. the input is: "allrevisionsbefore=2008/07/06-13:00" . what should the output be to make the page titles show? [03:27:53] i'm still entertaining discussion about extra namespaces [03:28:09] the wiki topic is recreational geometry [03:28:30] it seems pretty clear to me that i want to have distinct namespaces for completely distinct concepts [03:28:44] but i'm open to argument [03:38:41] i plan to put in mainspace entire posts, full discussions of a given topic [03:39:35] while, say, Axiom:To Draw a Circle would contain only that [03:40:06] i don't see it wise to lump every bit of content into a big hodgepodge of a single namespace [03:40:34] i've heard some technical discussion but nothing definite, yet [03:43:46] Xiong: it is up to you, do or do not, but don't put the burden of talking you out of it on us ^_^... just remember "We told you so" [03:44:20] also note, you can just use faux-namespaces, prefix page names with Axiom: for example, it won't actually be in another namespace, but you can prefixindex it for example [03:47:58] Is there a way to have a category on a page, but not have that page in the category? [03:48:14] For an include [03:49:20] Like a template [03:51:33] hey [03:51:50] what? [03:51:50] how can I change the [edit] button to be clickable icon? [03:52:46] magic [03:52:55] :/ [03:54:04] estaban_: in the top tabs, or inline by section headers? [03:54:12] section headers [03:54:22] set a background image on that [03:54:25] via site-wide CSS [03:54:37] Moose_Hole: do you mean, have a template that categorizes pages but not itself? [03:54:43] Evening all [03:54:43] yes [03:54:54] Splarka: how do I hide the [edit] text and just have the icon? [03:54:54] [[Category:Foo]] [03:55:06] oh yeah thanks [03:55:38] estaban_: hmm, well, you can make the font so small it isn't visible, or blank it via the system message or javascript [03:55:45] (no real good solution to that) [03:55:49] bummer [03:55:55] *Splarka checks mw [03:56:02] estaban_: What icon do you mean? [03:56:30] i would like to use an icon i found that symbolizes "edit", rather than having the actual text "edit" [03:56:42] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Edit_Section_Link_Transform [03:56:49] a little 16x16 png [03:57:05] oh my, thanks Splarka [03:57:23] guess someone else thought of it too [04:02:41] Yeah that worked Sparkla. I was thrown off because my template got its category from another template. The template kind of displays badly because it doesn't show its stuff but that's ok because it works where it's used. [04:04:56] heh [04:08:08] splarka, i'm sorry if you see it as a burden [04:08:15] 03(FIXED) Local Stewards on test.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13464 +comment (10charitwo) [04:08:25] i try not to go ahead and do things without getting other ppl's opinions [04:08:41] and then i try not to follow other ppl's suggestions without understanding their reasons [04:09:06] it's not really "a burden", I mean, you seem to have convinced yourself of your plan [04:09:19] there seems to be a strong current of sentiment against multiple content namespaces but very little reasoning to back it up [04:09:21] and it seems like you're saying "I dare you to talk me out of it" ^_^ [04:09:38] sorry if it comes across that way -- my wiki is on hold right now until i resolve this issue [04:09:53] i'm still looking for the meat [04:09:54] there are lots of technical reasons, but there is support for those that want to do it [04:10:11] let me look at it another way, by analogy [04:10:29] i have bins for my clean clothes, i put my socks in one, my shorts in another, my teeshirts in a third [04:10:41] sometimes i'm lazy and i leave all the clean in one big pile [04:10:56] i'm pretty much happier when i do the extra work to sort them out [04:11:42] i think it would be foolish to sort, say, the black tees into one bin, the white tees into another, the rainbow tees into still another bin [04:12:23] i would like to know about these lots of technical reasons [04:12:52] so far, i have heard statistics based on number of content pages -- but i know this can be fixed and in any case, i don't see much value in counting pages [04:13:27] i have heard search by special:prefixindex -- but i feel that searching like that is a symptom of failure to properly organize or set up navigation links [04:14:24] for example, there will be many Puzzle pages; i expect to build an index into them, with each page linked and followed by a short description [04:14:38] i would not ask my readers to poke around in special:allpages for that [04:14:47] does my reasoning not make any sense? [04:16:19] if it's just a philosophical point of view, i can accept that and i won't waste your time trying to argue the contrary [04:16:42] but i would like to try to understand if there are real technical problems caused by sorting stuff by namespace [04:33:27] 03(NEW) Self links for navigation from sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14796 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla-wikimedia) [04:59:42] 03(NEW) Add Checkuser link to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14797 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (charitwo) [06:03:09] what does an oversighted edit usually look like? (assuming it's not the summary being oversighted). i see a series of edits that are not page protection changes where there are no content changes per diff. (IME the only time there's no content change is when there's a page protect change) [06:03:39] see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jenny_McCarthy&diff=next&oldid=67269933 and nearby [06:07:48] nearby what? [06:16:48] more to the point, what can be done to stop the rampant deletionism that took away the only image in an article about a porn star? [06:17:05] i mean, what's the point of watchlisting an article if you don't fight for its existence? [06:20:47] *jeremyb_ doesn't quite understand the question... [06:21:12] anyway... nearby the edit i linked [06:21:35] that's a diff between 2 consecutive edits (or at aleast... oooh [06:21:46] *jeremyb_ thinks he might have answered his own question [06:23:34] :) [06:24:34] :) [06:26:03] jeremyb_: you'd get the same result if they were just deleted edits [06:27:05] Splarka: yeah... i had this idea that somehow they were scrubbed but stayed in the log (assuming the non public stuff was in content not summary) [06:27:52] if you try to access an oversighted or deleted revisionID (such as by oldid=) you get an error [06:28:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&oldid=2 [06:29:34] ... you just know offhand that's a deleted rev? :) [06:29:43] no, but I know it is missing [06:29:52] and jeremyb_: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Jenny_McCarthy [06:30:00] that article has had deletion to hide some revisions [06:30:21] but that doesn't rule out oversight either [06:30:30] (you can even, IIRC, oversight deleted revisions) [06:30:42] yup [06:30:53] orly [06:31:17] "what does an oversighted edit usually look like?" <-- like nothing, like an error, and if you are not a sysop, exactly like a deleted revision [06:31:21] *jeremyb_ sees a new "global account log" type [06:31:46] right [06:32:21] so, am i right that protection changes are typically the only changes that have no content changes but still appear in the regular page hist log? [06:32:32] Moves [06:32:44] right, forgot about those [06:32:54] deletions, undeletions [06:32:56] probably imports [06:33:23] i've never seen any of those in page hist [06:33:59] hmm, well right, deletions don't [06:35:33] jeremyb: upload log does appear in history, and isn't really a content change (the revision text of the page remains exactly the same) [06:35:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Jenny%28buffy%29.jpg&action=history [06:36:16] but that only ever occurs in that one namespace afaik [06:36:36] well you didn't stipulate that requirement [06:36:44] unless... can you move to/from image: ? [06:36:51] i didn't :) [06:37:16] so, upload, move, protect, and import (though import does change the contents, usually, unless you're importing old revisions) [06:38:02] btw, totally unrelated, but i've been experimenting with socialtext recently and i don't like their syntax [06:40:54] hi... pleeeeease tell me there's a way for wiki to ignore the capitalisation and not allow to create two pages, danieltahar as opposed to DanielTahar... [06:41:20] how about a compromise... [06:41:42] redirect (even automatically) on case insensitive match [06:41:56] hmmm explain pls [06:43:13] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Explain [06:43:40] blame is still expensive to do [06:44:15] OverlordQ: blame is expensive for rev n+1 given precalculated blame for rev n? [06:44:42] for a site like WP? yea [06:45:14] OverlordQ: explain [06:45:16] not sure i'm following [06:45:37] DanielTahar: did you look at the link i gave? what happens when you visit it? [06:45:40] yes [06:45:43] it redirects to "explain" [06:45:52] but i'm not sure how it's done [06:46:23] what if I wanted blame of rev $foo? [06:46:35] where $foo is some non current revision? [06:46:37] jeremyb: that only works with the first letter [06:46:44] it calls: {{didyoumean |{{PAGENAME}}|{{lcfirst:{{PAGENAME}}}} [06:47:15] and does an #ifexist check on that second parameter specifically, in that template [06:47:18] well i'm not concerned about people typing in the stuff directly; what i'm worried about is searches, or links from within someone's page [06:47:18] {{#ifexist: {{NAMESPACEE}}:{{{2|}}} [06:47:24] this means [06:47:33] Splarka: ohh... it's just parser logic?! i searched mediawiki: for did-you-mean and got nothing [06:47:39] in order to do it for danieltahar vs DanielTahar [06:47:54] you'd have to #ifexist every possible case combination [06:48:15] Danieltahar dAnieltahar DAnieltahar daNieltahar DaNieltahar ... etc [06:48:51] but wait... let's say there's "George_W_Bush", if i type in "geOrGE_w_BuSH" and click "GO" i still get to his page, no? [06:49:04] anyway, it's certainly possible to have a compromise like that made. it's just a question of whether you *really* want to rule out 2 pages case insensitively identical or if you just want to aggressively avoid throwing a 404 like page when there is a case insensitive match [06:49:05] jeremyb: it is done via MediaWiki:Noarticletext which transcludes Wiktionary:Project-Noarticletext [06:49:20] this then calls Template:alternate_pages and Template:didyoumean [06:49:57] oh man i'm gonna kill myself this instant [06:50:37] are you an oper? [06:50:52] jeremyb: and then some JS does the automated redirect if it finds the redirect box being generated [06:50:52] jeremyb? [06:51:09] Charitwo: /kill . bad joke :) [06:52:11] DanielTahar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOOBAR [06:52:15] wait... so when i go to wikipedia and search for GeorGE BusH and click "GO", i'm still good [06:52:27] see the _Search for "FOOBAR" in existing articles_ link? [06:52:37] yes [06:52:39] yes, you can use the search to bypass case, in some cases [06:52:53] so if you put a prominent search link in MediaWiki:Noarticletext it can help [06:53:00] DanielTahar: you see there's a second box under the search input? [06:53:03] err [06:53:08] s/box/button/ [06:53:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/FOOBAR [06:53:45] which box [06:54:20] which is generated via: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Noarticletext?action=edit as [[{{ns:Special}}:Search/{{PAGENAME}}|Search for "''{{PAGENAME}}''"]] [06:54:26] yes i undesrtand that [06:54:30] k [06:54:31] well [06:54:35] the thing is this [06:54:38] i'm using semantic forms [06:54:38] you could have some javascript do that automatically [06:54:41] ew [06:54:46] and basically users need to put in something [06:54:57] and if it exists they should go to the page, if not they should go to the create a page thing [06:55:06] wtf... [06:55:13] so thing is [06:55:17] let's say i have a page, DanielTahar [06:55:22] saying "i work in the computer department" [06:55:26] and people want to link to me [06:55:36] but instead link to "[[danieltahar]]", they'll get a red link [06:55:43] not gonna be good for business [06:59:16] well, you can have Noarticletext automatically redirect to [[{{ns:Special}}:Search/{{PAGENAME}}]] via javascript, which will find the page, I suppose [06:59:47] *jeremyb_ dislikes js redirects [06:59:50] but red links are also edit links, so that is a bit of a problem [07:00:07] there isn't really anything to do what you need, MediaWiki is just case sensitive [07:00:37] nono [07:00:41] you dont understand [07:00:51] this really aint good [07:01:02] see [07:01:20] red links dont point to "noarticletext", they point to a specific extension [07:01:34] and besides, i can't have pages with the same title [07:01:40] but different casing [07:02:18] well... mediawiki can, so don't use mediawiki? [07:02:31] (or write an extension... though it might be almost impossible without core changes) [07:02:38] 03mfarag * r37578 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Add authors to file [07:02:46] oh mama [07:02:48] this isn't good [07:02:57] Splarka: what about titlekey extension [07:03:55] look, my main concern isn't the search, it's the links from within articles... so you're saying there's nothing i can do -- if someone links to [[george_BusH]] by mistake it'll just be red? [07:04:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_moon vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Moon DanielTahar: mediawiki was written from an encyclopedic standpoint, and there is some good call for having multiple pages of the same name with different casing. [07:04:54] Charitwo: does it work with link? [07:05:24] well... there's certainly not *nothing* [07:05:30] i disagree -- i think for regular users this is much more complicated. [07:05:43] a bot to fix that (or at least warn you) would be quite trivial [07:05:47] haven't tested it extenstively [07:05:49] i'm going to buy cigarettes. this isn't good at all [07:06:14] Daniel: that is the way it is and has been forever:/ [07:06:38] many things are case sensitive, file systems on most non-windows/mac platforms for example [07:06:45] i understand that [07:06:56] did you ever let someone who's not in the computer business work on a system like that? [07:07:34] "I can't find /Pub!" "shut up" [07:08:25] DanielTahar: ... olpc? [07:08:58] yeah... [07:09:06] Splarka: so... assuming it's not possible to fix the red links and the redirects without said core changes (or was that just for truly making insensitive?) do you think new hooks, etc. are merited? [07:09:28] i don't get it though [07:09:29] i mean [07:09:31] i get it [07:09:58] oh, wow it's late [07:10:03] well, I mean [07:10:05] past sleepytime [07:10:12] but, let's say i'm writing an article, and want to mention something which i'm sure of the spelling but not the capitalisation [07:10:14] oh man [07:10:16] this ain't good one bit [07:10:16] you can't simply make MediaWiki case insensitive [07:10:19] ok [07:10:25] i appreciate your help, don't get me wrong [07:10:27] i'm just venting [07:10:27] for links, titles, parser functions, magic words, redirects, yadda yadda [07:10:34] ^_^ Thats on the Titlerewrite ToDo list [07:10:44] you'd have to rewrite it a lot, or extension-hook it so much it bled [07:10:59] naaa i'm not much of a tech in that field [07:11:07] Actually... there might be a temporary alternative [07:11:08] (was in reply to jeremyb) [07:11:29] only the first letter case was made optional, probably just for wiktionary [07:11:47] (a step against the direction you want, they made it more case-sensitive) [07:12:01] That was for foreign language wiki mostly [07:12:08] You could try out automatic redirection... If a page can't be found, attempt using the redirect hook to direct them to a similar page title [07:13:04] Dan: sure, great for Noarticletext [07:13:12] but for red links, not as good an idea [07:13:29] you probably don't want to be taken to an automated search when trying to edit a new article [07:13:36] ^_^ You'll have to hook into existence tesing for that [07:13:59] well, you can't do existence checking on an unknown case, without a (dirty) extension [07:14:08] unless you did an ajax query... [07:14:14] "unkown case"? [07:14:23] yes, unknown case, as in, any possible case [07:14:31] ;) Or if you're desparate... You could always pay me enough to work on the TitleRewrite branch instead of working on my Portfolio software... heh [07:14:35] (eg, performed a Special:Search/pagename in the background of an edit page via ajax, and if it found a page, take you there) [07:14:53] can any code (or ext?) munge output after it's generated? [07:22:17] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=2973 <-- where the option was added only needing a change to Title.php, but note that $wgCapitolLinks is checked in many more places now: http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+wgCapitalLinks [07:22:49] following that, you probably could hack it to be case-insensitive, like by converting *all* letters to lowercase [07:23:36] i dont know what that even means [07:23:41] i know it sounds good [07:24:37] Not completely, there's one huge trick/annoyance with case insensitivity... [07:25:15] case insensitivity doesn't work as nicely as you think without case storing, or whatever the others were calling it [07:25:54] I mean, if you just lc() everything that refers to page titles, such as existence checks, links, titles, yadda yadda... [07:26:01] messy, but probably would do what you need, DT [07:26:35] hello [07:26:36] and then you'd need to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} if you wanted uppercase letters in page titles [07:26:37] what's up [07:26:48] talk to me my man [07:26:54] Nikerabbit: case-insensitive titles, discuss! [07:27:41] If you LC George Bush becomes george bush, if you uc things end up like ROSE GARDEN, ^_^ but the most pleasant thing... Even though you can DISPLAYTITLE it, everywhere else that's ignored [07:28:16] indeed, but it would solve their prob [07:28:19] ;) Be it auto generated lists, searches, or page lists [07:28:21] (while creating new ones) [07:28:24] you gotta explain slower.. i have a page where someone fills out info. i want them to be able to link to [[george bush]] or [[George Bush]] and it'll go to the eright place [07:28:25] heh [07:28:52] DanielTahar: and would you be annoyed if the and <h1 class=firstHeading> never showed capital letters? [07:29:00] <DanielTahar> no [07:29:04] <Splarka> heh [07:29:09] <DanielTahar> first off, i don't even know what firstHeading means [07:29:12] <Splarka> see Dantman, happy [07:29:17] <DanielTahar> jk [07:29:22] <DanielTahar> i will give up most anything [07:29:40] <Dantman|FS> ;) My old Writing teacher might smack you for that one... heh [07:29:47] <Splarka> will you give up procrastinating learning php? [07:29:56] <DanielTahar> haaaaaaaa now that isn't fair [07:30:03] <DanielTahar> tell you what [07:30:04] <Dantman|FS> But the TitleRewrite plan is quite nice [07:30:05] <DanielTahar> we can barter [07:30:10] <DanielTahar> php for Hebrew lessons, how's that [07:30:58] *Splarka doesn't know php either [07:31:22] <jeremyb_> ooooh [07:31:26] <Splarka> but maybe someone can write you a nice hacky patch to have all page names and links parsed as all lower case [07:31:31] *jeremyb_ wants ullpan [07:31:41] <Splarka> so [[FooBar]] goes to foobar, and /wiki/FooBar 302's to /wiki/foobar [07:31:43] <DanielTahar> lol [07:31:55] <DanielTahar> yes, splarka, that sounds good [07:32:10] <Dantman|FS> ui vs. key storage, customizeable normalization, upgrades to DISPLAYTITLE, ^_^ And best of all... Anything you apply to User: applies to usernames... [07:32:14] <Splarka> DanielTahar: I imagine all it would take is wrap everything in lc() [07:32:28] <Dantman|FS> Nah, much more complex than that [07:32:41] <jeremyb_> so... Dantman|FS patches and i get ullpan, right? :P [07:32:47] <DanielTahar> i dont have any namespaces aside of main [07:33:16] <Dantman|FS> there would be a few billion places to do that alone, not to mention after you do that, you likely have to hunt down a few thousand fatal bugs that's caused [07:33:24] <jeremyb_> btw, is this rtl? just wondering [07:33:39] <DanielTahar> no, in Hebrew there's no capital letters, like a normal language should be! :) [07:33:52] <jeremyb_> huh? [07:33:56] <jeremyb_> but is it rtl? [07:33:57] <Nikerabbit> Splarka: ör [07:34:00] <DanielTahar> nope [07:34:04] <DanielTahar> ?? [07:34:09] <jeremyb_> you have final letters! [07:34:10] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ Trust me... messing in even the slightest bit with the title system, brings out bugs in places you never thought of [07:34:14] <Splarka> Nikerabbit: no unicode support [07:34:37] <DanielTahar> ok, ok. [07:34:44] <DanielTahar> let's see if you can give me something else, a reason to live [07:34:53] <DanielTahar> each page i have starts off with {TEMPLATE [07:35:00] <DanielTahar> |imagename=foo.jpg [07:35:06] <DanielTahar> meaning each page has an image [07:35:16] <DanielTahar> is there any way to make the search show those images? [07:35:18] <DanielTahar> ha [07:35:35] <Dantman|FS> I altered the system to use a key and a ui title for storage... ^_^ Then suddenly, if you moved User:Username to User:username, 'Username' would not be able to login... Anyone with a space in their name already couldn't login after that [07:35:45] <Dantman|FS> heh [07:35:57] <jeremyb_> eh [07:35:59] <jeremyb_> heh* [07:36:10] <jeremyb_> sleep! [07:36:10] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ That was fun trying to login as 'Daniel Friesen' and trying to figure why the hell I couldn't login [07:36:19] <jeremyb_> (/me stabs beachball) [07:36:51] <Dantman|FS> It required a rewrite of the User system as well... I had to do a massive schema change just to get things to work... [07:37:24] <Dantman|FS> Think replacing every space with a underscore inside of every username in the database... ;) There are arround 7 fields for username in the database... [07:37:25] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) double hyphen should be interpreted as mdash - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14795 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:37:32] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add "Wikimedia" to the list of allowed fowarding prefixes. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:37:59] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ And the fun part for large wiki, is most of those places are the ones which acumulate the largest amount of rows [07:38:12] <DanielTahar> the fact i'm just starting now and have no users, no namespaces, nothing -- doesn't help, does it? [07:38:25] <Dantman|FS> not really [07:38:33] <Dantman|FS> Actually, you do have namespaces though [07:38:49] <DanielTahar> well yes but i can have users only use a lowercaseusername [07:38:50] <DanielTahar> etc [07:39:26] <Dantman|FS> ;) The issue isn't the user preference in name case... it's how the system handles it [07:39:46] <Dantman|FS> It's quite messy [07:40:06] <Dantman|FS> Believe it or not, we store titles as keys, but usernames in display form [07:40:11] <DanielTahar> yeah i understand... ok, it is what it is. perhaps i can have a little thing on top of each page saying "to link here, use [[thispagename]]" [07:40:29] <Dantman|FS> 'Daniel Friesen' as a username, who matches the title 'Daniel_Friesen' in the db [07:40:51] <Dantman|FS> Don't know what you're getting at [07:40:56] <DanielTahar> i'm saying [07:41:00] <DanielTahar> let's say i started a page [07:41:11] <DanielTahar> and called it "danielTAHAR" [07:41:14] <DanielTahar> that page itself [07:41:16] <DanielTahar> will have a thing on top [07:41:18] <DanielTahar> telling users [07:41:46] <DanielTahar> "if you want to link here, link to [[danielTAHAR]]" so they don't accidentally link to danieltahar. they will copy the string from there. you gotta remember users are primitive creatures [07:42:28] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Self links for navigation from sidebar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14796 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:42:29] <Dantman|FS> Erm, heh... 'danielTAHAR' won't be anywhere... The whole system will consider that as danieltahar [07:42:47] <DanielTahar> you mean if andf when we do changes; i'm talking about right now [07:42:52] <DanielTahar> i thought you said this isn't realistic to do [07:42:56] <DanielTahar> i'm totally lost [07:43:37] <Dantman|FS> ;) If it wasn't realistic to do, then /mediawiki/branches/titlerewrite wouldn't exist... Then again, I am insane... [07:44:31] <Dantman|FS> It's just, that the realism of that involves an insane ammount of work in rewriting a fair portion of the software just to get to work [07:44:42] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Transclusion of Special pages not working with filter/limits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14692 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:44:59] <DanielTahar> yeah obviously that's not worth it [07:45:13] <Dantman|FS> Well, it is, it'll just take time [07:45:21] <Dantman|FS> dedication to... [07:45:33] <Dantman|FS> Though, not something I can dedicate to in my current state [07:45:57] <DanielTahar> it is what it is [07:46:32] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Using ref inside formatnums causes parser error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14792 15enhancement->major (10maxsem.wiki) [07:47:34] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ The fun part of the TitleRewrite is the fact of how much you can apply restrictions to usernames [07:48:38] <Dantman|FS> The title key that matches their username in the database gets tied directly to their username... So if you create a userpage, as long as the key matches that is what becomes used as the display for their name anywhere in the system [07:48:51] <Nikerabbit> hi Dantman|FS [07:49:36] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Using ref inside formatnums causes parser error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14792 major->15enhancement; +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:49:52] <Dantman|FS> If I were to make the User: namespace case insensitive... Then create "dantman", my name would display as 'dantman' everywhere... However, if I created User:DanTman the system would display my name as DanTMan everywhere ;) [07:50:47] <DanielTahar> gentlemen, have a good night [07:50:51] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ I had to introduce an option to Title::equals [07:55:30] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Using ref inside formatnums causes parser error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14792 (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:55:48] <Nikerabbit> Dantman|FS: option? [07:56:15] <Dantman|FS> For testing keys vs. testing complete equivilance [07:56:27] <Nikerabbit> keys? [07:56:50] <Dantman|FS> Remember that the rewrite entitles a distinction between key and ui forms.. [07:57:18] <Dantman|FS> The key form is the unique identifier... And the ui form is a display version in which things like the case and underscores vs. spaces can vary [07:57:44] <Dantman|FS> So iPod and IPod both share the same key IPod, however their ui forms are different [07:58:21] <Dantman|FS> I had to introduce an option into equals incase you needed to test ui forms instead of keys [07:58:55] <Dantman|FS> Otherwise Special:Movepage would spit errors at you when you try to move IPod to iPod to fix it's case, which is technically valid after the rewrite [08:04:15] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Interproject links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:23:26] <Ral315> Does anyone know what the largest a page can be in MediaWiki? Is there a set limit, or is it editable (and if so, what's the limit on Wikipedia?) [08:25:58] <MinuteElectron> The largest size of a page depends on a number of factors. [08:26:26] <MinuteElectron> PHP's timeout time, large pages often take a long time to upload. [08:27:44] <MinuteElectron> And on a standard setup can't exceed the size of a mediumblob, although this doesn't apply on Wikipedia I don't think since they use external text storage. [08:28:02] <Ral315> I just ask because I thought I remembered a limit of somewhere around 1 MB [08:28:14] <Ral315> And there's a page right now at 566KB of text. [08:28:29] <MinuteElectron> I doubt you'd even be able to save a page that is 1MB. [08:29:03] <Ral315> I think it's been done before, but it's incredibly tough [08:29:05] <MinuteElectron> But, as far as I am aware, there is no specific limit - just the limitations of the under lying techonology. [08:30:00] <Ral315> Right; I imagined it would depend mainly on the storage system and other issues, not a software limit. I just wasn't sure if a limit was known based on the size of mediumblob, etc. [08:30:40] <MinuteElectron> On a standard wiki the size of mediumblob is a limitation, but Wikimedia uses external text storage so it isn't. [08:31:56] <Ral315> Even mediumblob isn't a limitation until bandwidth makes a significant rise -- mediumblob ~= 16MB. [08:32:14] <Ral315> The request would probably fail before submitting 16MB. [08:32:18] <MinuteElectron> Yes. [08:32:32] <MinuteElectron> The requests usually fail due to a PHP timeout, IIRC. [08:32:54] <Ral315> Ah; probably true. [08:33:34] <MinuteElectron> But, in all honesty, there is no reason to have incredibly large pages - 300kb should be good enough for everything. [08:33:44] <flyingparchment> don't you mean 640KB? [08:33:55] <MinuteElectron> maybe [08:34:03] <Splarka> haha [08:34:06] *Splarka bills flyingparchment's gate [08:34:08] <MinuteElectron> But I wasn't joking. [08:34:17] <Ral315> MinuteElectron, it's a request for comment on the English Wikipedia. It's quite controversial at the moment. [08:34:33] <MinuteElectron> pffft [08:34:35] <Ral315> Er, on the Arbitration Committee of EN.WP [08:34:44] <MinuteElectron> are you kidding? [08:34:50] <Ral315> No. [08:35:00] <Ral315> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Arbitration_Committee [08:35:01] <MinuteElectron> wow [08:35:33] <Ral315> And about 80KB more is transcluded from subpages [08:35:38] <Splarka> what I find causing page fails, is having way the hell too many links, causes processing timeouts before text limitation kicks in [08:35:55] <Ral315> So seriously, the whole page, with transclusions, is about 650KB right now. [08:36:10] <VasilievVV> That's OK [08:36:18] <flyingparchment> haven't you people heard of subpages? [08:36:44] <Splarka> anyway [08:36:46] <Splarka> 'wgMaxArticleSize' => array( [08:36:47] <VasilievVV> IIRC default limit is 2 MB [08:36:51] <Splarka> 'default' => 2000, [08:36:51] <Splarka> ), [08:36:54] <Ral315> Aha. [08:36:59] <Ral315> Good to know; thanks. [08:37:06] <Splarka> that was the global setting as of 2008-03-18. [08:37:10] <Splarka> per http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.html [08:39:21] <MaxSem> that RFC should have been splitted a long time ago [08:41:19] <VasilievVV> That RFC should have not appeared as the whole conflict. [08:42:12] <Splarka> need an RFC/RFAr on the size of that RFAr! meta [08:43:49] <MaxSem> just ban the arbs [08:47:17] <Splarka> b-arbs? [08:49:02] <OverlordQ> external storage eh? [08:58:54] <CIA-54> 03nicdumz * r37579 10/branches/category-redirects/includes/ (Article.php Category.php LinksUpdate.php): [08:58:54] <CIA-54> * Using Category objects instead of the titles2ids map [08:58:54] <CIA-54> * making it a field of LinksUpdate [08:58:54] <CIA-54> * introducing the cleaner getTarget() in Category [09:16:29] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Auto protect the redirects created when a protected page is moved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13830 summary (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [09:37:09] <A_Bach> hello [09:37:58] <A_Bach> i have a question, how to set $wgNamespacesWithSubpages for namespaces i created ? id > 100 [09:38:17] <ialex> $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[100] = true; [09:38:38] <A_Bach> ok. [09:39:30] <A_Bach> those ns have for default subpages as false? [09:40:02] <ialex> yes [09:41:16] <A_Bach> thanks... and last thing.. how to enable img tag? [09:41:24] <A_Bach> its posible ? [09:42:18] <ialex> if you upload images on your wiki, you can display them with [[Image:...]] [09:43:05] <A_Bach> yes i know. but i dont want to enable upload to on wiki [09:43:25] <ialex> or you can use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages [09:44:09] <A_Bach> i want to use commons for licencing [09:44:26] <A_Bach> ... dont know the word... [09:47:42] <A_Bach> $wgAllowExternalImagesFrom is better but how can i resize the rendered image? [09:58:53] <Dantman|FS> :/ Hotlinking [09:59:30] <MaxSem> A_Bach: you'll end up blocked for leeching [09:59:59] <Splarka> now now [10:00:22] <Splarka> A_Bach: you mean from commons.wikimedia exclusively? [10:00:39] <A_Bach> dont think so.. if only InstantCommons were finished [10:01:23] <Splarka> wikimedia has a clever trick, on upload.wikimedia, the 404 is a symbolic redirect to thumb.php which generates un-generated thumbnails automagically (when possible) [10:01:48] <Splarka> so you can use external URLs thumbnailed to your liking, but as said, if you expect lots of traffic, you'll be a bandwidth-stealing hotlinker [10:04:22] <A_Bach> i understand it [10:04:54] <A_Bach> but still.. i dont know how to manipulate the saize [10:05:06] <MaxSem> then upload images locally [10:05:37] <Splarka> well, you could just create a folder and shove images into it on a local server of yours, and make an image serving/resizing script [10:05:45] <Splarka> (and whitelist it in $wgAllowExternalImagesFrom) [10:06:02] <A_Bach> but its doubleting comons [10:06:38] <A_Bach> of course if wiki allow only free imafes [10:06:43] <A_Bach> *images [10:07:25] <Splarka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Example.jpg/10px-Example.jpg <--10px example of image at commons, original is: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Example.jpg [10:07:38] <Splarka> you can change 10px to anything from 1px to 177px and it should work [10:08:32] <A_Bach> parser and string functions.... [10:09:43] <A_Bach> hm.. template {{image|image_name|size|alt}} [10:09:48] <OverlordQ> I'd love to know how the thumbnail magic works [10:10:15] <MinuteElectron> A_Bach: It could be done with a template, stringfunctions and some parser function that can generate md5 sums. [10:10:26] <MinuteElectron> actually, i don't think it could [10:13:38] <Splarka> OverlordQ: the 404 handler calls thumb.php [10:14:05] <Splarka> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=example.png&w=100 [10:15:43] <A_Bach> Splarka: but how i know file is a/a9; 1/1d or what? (see url) [10:17:42] <OverlordQ> ah tricky [10:18:01] <Splarka> A_Bach: it is predictable [10:18:20] <OverlordQ> it's a hash of the file name [10:18:36] <Splarka> it is the first and first/second characters of the md5 of the name of the file [10:19:01] <Splarka> Wiki.png for example is always /b/bc [10:19:22] <Splarka> but as said, you'd need an MD5 function, at least an extension I'd guess [10:19:33] <Splarka> but maybe Special:Filepath could be used (but you can't thumbnail with that) [10:19:40] <Splarka> anyway, barring all that, you can use the thumb.php URL [10:19:55] <Splarka> <img src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=example.png&w=100"> [10:20:06] <Splarka> though that might not work as an external image [10:23:25] <A_Bach> niestety [10:39:41] <CIA-54> 03ialex * r37580 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreeIE.css: svn:eol-style native [10:40:29] <DarkoNeko> on the code itself, is the a variable that contain an array the user is member of ? [10:40:55] <DarkoNeko> an array *of the groups* the user is member of, sorry [10:41:28] <ialex> $wgUser->getGroups() [10:41:43] <DarkoNeko> hmmm [10:42:35] <DarkoNeko> *allume l'ordi ou se trouve son wiki* [10:43:14] <MaxSem> Splarka: domas will certainly kill you for advice to use thumb.php [10:43:36] <ialex> or $wgUser->getEffectiveGroups() if you want implicit groups too [10:43:48] <Splarka> he has to find me first [10:44:12] <MaxSem> He will rangekill you :P [10:48:48] <DarkoNeko> ialex wonderful, merci :) [10:53:22] <DarkoNeko> moi qui m'embetais � les chercher dans la base, faut d'avoir trouv� le nom de la bonne variable globale.. [10:57:57] <ialex> héhé :) [11:01:19] <CIA-54> 03ialex * r37581 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (7 files): [11:01:19] <CIA-54> Rewrote interwiki configuration: [11:01:19] <CIA-54> * added $wgConfigureWiki to configure it [11:01:19] <CIA-54> * added form in Special:Configure and Special:Extensions for authorized users [11:01:19] <CIA-54> * right requested is *-interwiki (configure-interwiki, ...) [11:05:37] <CIA-54> 03ialex * r37582 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.php README): damn, forgot to bump the version and to update README [11:14:31] <CIA-54> 03minuteelectron * r37583 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.php: [11:14:31] <CIA-54> * Line up the English messages so that it is easier to read. [11:14:31] <CIA-54> * Add bold tags to the end of one line and start of another so they are rendered how it was originally intended. [11:34:00] <CIA-54> 03minuteelectron * r37584 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/ (Babel.class.php Babel.i18n.php BabelStatic.class.php): [11:34:00] <CIA-54> * Change comment format to reduce wasted bytes and make things more readable. [11:34:00] <CIA-54> * Use correct doxygen function parameter comment format. [11:34:00] <CIA-54> * Remove excess whitespace from end of files. [11:53:51] <Jubei> hello. I want to have my wiki articles in more languages, I must set up a 2nd wiki but how do I have that language link on the left like wikipedia has if the article exists in more than one languages? [11:54:11] <Jubei> i want to do it in an upgrade-proof way if possible [11:54:21] <Jubei> i.e. i dont want to use an extension which might break if I upgrade [11:57:25] <MinuteElectron> Jubei: It doesn't need an extension. [11:58:08] <Jubei> MinuteElectron: ok I set up the 2nd wiki, then? [11:58:23] <MinuteElectron> Yes. [11:58:39] <Jubei> is there a guide on the mediawiki site or something? [11:58:53] <MinuteElectron> Probably. [11:59:10] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki [11:59:25] <MinuteElectron> Splarka: That's not it. [11:59:26] <Splarka> basically, you set up and use interwiki links matching language codes [11:59:48] <Jubei> Splarka that page says "These are development specifications, not documentation. This feature does not exist yet." [11:59:54] <Splarka> oop [11:59:56] <MinuteElectron> Jubei: Ignore that link, its wrong. [12:00:22] <Splarka> damn irregular documentation schema [12:00:39] <MinuteElectron> mediawiki.org is mess, really [12:00:44] <Splarka> still, basically, you set up and use interwiki links matching language codes [12:00:46] <MinuteElectron> It tries to be too many things. [12:01:01] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages [12:01:26] <Jubei> oh wiki family, that looks interesting, thanks splarka [12:11:59] <bitplane> hi, is there a way to include a header / footer and embed mediawiki in the middle of the page so it fits in with my site? [12:13:54] <jlerner> update the skin [12:18:08] <bitplane> cool thanks [12:23:58] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37585 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (rebuildLanguage.php writeMessagesArray.inc): [12:23:58] <CIA-54> Add option to rebuildLanguage.php [12:23:58] <CIA-54> * --remove-unknown: Remove unknown messages [12:29:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659 (10Ahonc.ua) [12:30:47] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37586 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/writeMessagesArray.inc: Fix indentation (thanks Niklas) [12:35:29] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 +comment (10guy.chapman) [12:42:11] *Splarka wonders if https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13241 is a dupe of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5346 [12:45:17] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Render the redirected category link with different color - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13241 +comment (10maxsem.wiki) [12:45:20] <wikibugs> 03(mod) make category redirects appear as different coloured links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5346 +comment (10maxsem.wiki) [12:45:28] <MaxSem> hehe [12:45:57] <Splarka> was it? too sleepy to parse it [12:47:06] <MaxSem> technically, they requested not exactly the same, but in fact the implementation would be identical [12:49:36] <Splarka> ahh [12:50:07] <MaxSem> both require working category redirects [12:55:36] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37587 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: [12:55:36] <CIA-54> Category Tree [12:55:36] <CIA-54> optional = categorytree-member-num [13:21:35] *brion waves from heathrow [13:22:05] <G> brion: morning, how is UK? [13:22:14] *Nikerabbit waves back from heath [13:22:29] <brion> got delayed at security cause i had a bottle of water [13:22:40] <brion> apparently water is a grave threat to air travel safety [13:22:54] <MinuteElectron> it could be some sort of spirits [13:22:58] <MinuteElectron> since they are also transparent [13:23:00] <Splarka> [[Water#Terrorism]] [13:23:01] <brion> so much so that there are no drinking fountains in the terminal, either [13:23:03] <Nikerabbit> invisible explosives! [13:23:06] <G> brion: heh but could they be sure it was water? :P [13:23:18] <brion> G: they offer to let you drink it there or throw it away [13:23:28] <brion> so if it's spirits, at least i can have a good time at the airport! [13:23:45] <G> so is that a case of "okay, he threw it away, he's a terrorist, lock 'em up!" [13:24:06] <brion> :D [13:24:13] <brion> prolly no wifi in airport jail... [13:25:13] <G> you got to be careful flying into NZ etc, customs etc and pretty strict [13:26:11] <G> instant $200 fine if you don't declare that apple that the airline gave you on the plane that you put in your carry on & forgot to eat :P [13:26:38] <brion> yow [13:27:10] <G> oh and then you don't get to keep it :) [13:27:59] <brion> for $200 i think i should be able to keep the damn apple >:D [13:28:11] <rindolf> New spambot - http://wiki.osdc.org.il/index.php?title=OSDC_Israel_2006%2FTransportation&diff=2770&oldid=2761 [13:28:25] <G> heh, it's a 'biosecurity risk' [13:34:00] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37588 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (27 files): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-12 15:26 CEST) [13:36:16] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Restricted at free text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14798 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87) [13:39:41] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37589 10/trunk/extensions/ (75 files in 70 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-12 15:26 CEST) [13:48:57] <siebrand> TimStarling: any idea when brion wants to branch off 1.13? [13:49:10] <brion> some time in june 2008 ;) [13:49:26] <siebrand> TimStarling: we'd like to have ~24h advance warning to commit the latest localisations... [13:49:28] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Problem with Templates in the Form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14799 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87) [13:49:33] <G> heh [13:49:49] <brion> siebrand: you'll have time to commit after branching too [13:50:04] <siebrand> brion: oh, I missed you were here :) [13:50:09] <siebrand> brion: yes, it is just more work :) [13:50:14] <brion> :D [13:50:52] *Dantman|FS wishes the Special Page improvements would've gone full scale first [13:53:13] <Dantman|FS> I was thinking of seeing if my Database classes could be ported backwards into MediaWiki when complete to improve it... But it looks like it's not going to be easily compatible [13:53:24] <CIA-54> 03ashley * r37590 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (24 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) [13:53:24] <CIA-54> Changes to SocialProfile from Wikia codebase: [13:53:24] <CIA-54> *Remove directory-specific and horribly outdated readme files and replace them with a generic readme file (written by me, this is not from Wikia codebase) [13:53:24] <CIA-54> *Add RemoveAvatar special page to allow admins etc. remove users' avatars [13:53:26] <CIA-54> *Long-awaited UserLevels feature (points system) and a few related special pages (only TopUsers works of these, though) [13:53:29] <CIA-54> *Add some new toggles to hide avatar uploads & profile edits from recent changes list [13:53:31] <CIA-54> *Remove 'avatarupload' interface message, it was never meant to be anything else than a test message for the developers of this extension [13:54:31] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ Though, I do like $core->dbw()->query( ... )->isOk(); [13:54:32] <bitplane> is there a way I can change the format of the title? I want: "Site Name | Wiki | Page Title" rather than "Page Name - Wiki Name" [13:54:52] <Dantman|FS> bitplane: [[MediaWiki:Pagetitle]] [13:55:17] <bitplane> cool thanks [13:55:45] <Dantman|FS> :/ Jack_Phoenix is committing without coming into #mediawiki again [13:57:35] <CIA-54> 03nikerabbit * r37591 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesId.php MessagesTh.php MessagesZh_tw.php): * Fix few instances of metadata-fields [13:57:38] <bitplane> do i need to clear the cache or something? i changed it to "Speed Modeling | Wiki | $1" [13:57:44] <bitplane> but no change [14:01:09] <Nikerabbit> Dantman|FS: as usually, is there something wrong with that commit? [14:01:28] <Dantman|FS> Didn't check that one over... [14:02:31] *bitplane slaps self <- ignore me, thanks again [14:02:32] <Dantman|FS> Last one I checked he thought was completely harmless... I ended up needing to do a partial revert cause some counterintuitive and useles functionality was added out of lazyness... On top of that it introduced a potential register_globals vunerability... [14:02:58] <Nikerabbit> :D [14:03:40] <Nikerabbit> he usually doesn't react to suggestions for improvements for translations :o [14:03:56] <Dantman|FS> Hmmm... perhaps I should commit the work I've done on my own stuff so far... [14:05:17] <CIA-54> 03brion * r37592 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [14:05:17] <CIA-54> Revert r37567 for nwo ("(bug 8604) padright: and similar functions fail with non-ASCII arguments") [14:05:17] <CIA-54> This implements an mb_str_pad fallback function, but there is no mb_str_pad in PHP documentation, and the doc comments are really weird -- it says it returns an integer! [14:05:17] <CIA-54> If this function is created from whole cloth and doesn't exist in PHP, it should be given a MediaWiki style name and not be done with a function_exists check as though it were a compat function. [14:07:54] <Nikerabbit> hmm [14:07:57] <Nikerabbit> I really thought there is [14:08:15] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37593 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (22 files in 6 dirs): [14:08:15] <CIA-54> * update 'camel cased' messages [14:08:15] <CIA-54> * remove trailing whitespace [14:09:33] <Dantman|FS> Committed without testing? [14:10:04] <Nikerabbit> Dantman|FS: well, of course it works :D [14:10:09] <^demon> Dantman|FS: We're suppose to test before we commit? ;-) [14:10:22] <Dantman|FS> That's nothing compared to this: http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/electronicme/trunk/electronicme/includes/db/ The entire system hasn't gone through a single test yet... ;) It's 1000% theory... heh [14:11:21] <Dantman|FS> theory now, build now, test later and iron out the thousands of bugs... [14:12:10] <G> Dantman|FS: g11n? [14:12:21] <CIA-54> 03brion * r37594 10/trunk/ (174 files in 3 dirs): [14:12:21] <CIA-54> r37552/37553 mysteriously changed all our standard example.com examples to example.org. [14:12:21] <CIA-54> Since most web users will be more familiar with .com, and example.com is pretty widely used as an example, let's just stick with it. [14:12:21] <CIA-54> (Did a search-and-replace on the results rather than reverting as many of the previous localizations had non-standard translations of the example domain.) [14:12:39] <Dantman|FS> G: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization [14:13:34] <G> Dantman|FS: yeah, just never seen it refered to as g11n [14:13:41] <Dantman|FS> Ya [14:13:43] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37595 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserStats/UserStats.i18n.php: Align messages [14:14:03] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37596 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for Social Profile User Stats [14:14:08] <Dantman|FS> I just used it because I have both i18n and L10n stuff inside of that folder [14:14:24] <Dantman|FS> Extensions only use a L10n folder because all they have is messages [14:15:06] <Dantman|FS> ;) For some confusion the configuable path is $config->path->L10n which points to '{:path.includes}/g11n' [14:15:29] <Dantman|FS> If you think it out you can understand it [14:16:06] <Dantman|FS> ^_^ My favourite part of my i18n system is how I chain L10n's instead of doing it MW's way [14:17:39] <Nikerabbit> ör? [14:17:47] *^demon bangs on svn.wikimedia.org [14:18:07] <Dantman|FS> query: de; userpref: jp, it; anon-cookie: pl; content-lang: es; system default: en; [14:18:30] <^demon> Granted, it's my local connection's fault for being slow today, but it feels more rewarding to yell at mayflower. [14:18:41] <Dantman|FS> ;) If you had that, it would chain as (de jp it pl es en) and find the first valid message it can when you ask for one [14:18:57] <Dantman|FS> Instead of falling all the way back to en when it fails [14:20:05] <Nikerabbit> this is not for mediawiki? [14:20:11] <Dantman|FS> ;) If you caught that there, it accepts multiple definitions in things like user preference... Like Splarka's mention of "I know Japanese, but German is my second best" [14:20:28] <Dantman|FS> Heh, no... discussion got sparked from a random comment [14:20:43] <Dantman|FS> MediaWiki has to much code in it to easily build something like this [14:20:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add Checkuser link to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14797 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:37:23] <bitplane> can i turn off the quickbar for all users? [14:38:07] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 +comment (10cbass) [14:55:02] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 (10rjd0060.wiki) [14:56:57] <kiba> hi [14:57:08] <kiba> what is a good source code hightlighter? [15:03:30] <MaxSem> kiba, geshi [15:09:10] <kiba> http://pastie.org/232620 [15:09:12] <kiba> why is this? [15:12:36] <Dantman|FS> kiba: Because you also need to grab the GeSHi source code in addition to the extension [15:14:33] <kiba-kun> Dantman|FS: I did.. [15:15:04] <Dantman|FS> Make sure the path is pointing right... The extension annoyingly hardcodes the location [15:18:58] <kiba-kun> seem to be about right.. [15:25:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 +comment (10jwales) [15:29:44] <bitplane> hrm.. I put the code "<?php include('../../THIS FILE DOES NOT EXIST.php'); ?>" into MonoBook.php and I don't get an error [15:29:49] <bitplane> am I missing something? [15:30:44] <bitplane> '<div id="globalWrapper"' part to have the attribute 'comment="some text"' I see the comment [15:33:16] <Subfader> someone here into collapsible tables? i have randomly loading images in the show/hide content. when i hide it, the images are still loaded. is there a solution to stop it? e.g. replace the content with nothing, [15:34:05] <Subfader> bitplane:try without blanks in the filename [15:34:58] <bitplane> i tried first with a file that does exist, but it isn't running the code [15:35:01] <Nikerabbit> bitplane: maybe errors are directed to log or are disabled, check also caching [15:35:11] <bitplane> it runs a hard coded echo but not the include [15:35:13] <bitplane> ah thanks [15:35:37] <bitplane> yep maybe not enough cd..'s [15:35:45] <bitplane> and no error log, that would make sense [15:36:21] <Nikerabbit> or warnings in this case, including non-existent file isn't an error in php [15:37:14] <bitplane> woot it worked, thanks again :) [15:42:33] <Dantman|FS> bitplane: using relative paths doesn't always have the effect you think... Namely things like ./ actually refer to the directory the script is run, rather than something relative to the current file... It's best to use absolute paths, $IP helps a lot there [15:45:02] <bitplane> $IP didn't work for me, so I put the full path in where I was told to use $IP which seemed to work [15:45:18] <Subfader> so someone knows how to stop code inside show/hide content of collapsible tables? [15:45:33] <bitplane> is there a way to turn off the junk at the top of the page, "retrieved from" and the page title etc? [15:45:54] <bitplane> also turning the sidebar off for all users would be nice [15:46:53] <kiba-kun> GeSHi Error: GeSHi could not find the language ruby (using path /var/www/sites/kibabase/HTML/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/geshi/) (code 2) [15:47:33] *bitplane slaps himself.. now I see the "wfSuppressWarnings();" :D [15:48:15] <kiba-kun> so why is this? [15:48:43] <bitplane> ruby isn't installed on your server? [15:48:56] <bitplane> oh.. syntax highlighting [15:49:00] *bitplane shuts up [15:50:59] <Nikerabbit> meow [15:52:29] <Nikerabbit> did you install geshi proprely? [15:52:59] <kiba-kun> I think so [15:53:07] <kiba-kun> it stop giving me warming and stuff [15:53:11] <kiba-kun> warning* [15:53:40] <Nikerabbit> warm fuzzy feeling :D [15:54:51] <Nikerabbit> kiba-kun: then you need newer version of it [15:55:10] <kiba-kun> what is "it"? [15:55:15] <Nikerabbit> geshi [15:55:22] <Subfader> maybe show/hide isn't the right thing for my purpose? or can i change the toggle js script so it replaces the content with something else? [15:55:46] <kiba-kun> no I don't [15:56:10] <kiba-kun> I did what the mediawiki site said [15:58:14] <Nikerabbit> kiba-kun: which version did you install? [15:58:34] <kiba-kun> http://geshi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/geshi/branches/RELEASE_1_0_X_STABLE/geshi-1.0.X/src/ [15:58:50] <Nikerabbit> hmm [15:59:25] <Nikerabbit> kiba-kun: and there is no ruby file under /var/www/sites/kibabase/HTML/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/geshi/geshi/ ? [16:00:04] <kiba-kun> I see geshi.html, geshi.php, contrib.html, docs.html [16:00:22] <Nikerabbit> kiba-kun: and geshi folder? [16:01:01] <kiba-kun> that's the geshi folder [16:01:39] <Subfader> why can't i include category content on a page? i'd like to display the articles of a category on an article [16:01:54] <kiba-kun> [[:Category:Blah]]? [16:01:57] <Nikerabbit> geshi should look like this: http://geshi.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/geshi/branches/RELEASE_1_0_X_STABLE/geshi-1.0.X/src/ [16:02:01] <kiba-kun> nvm [16:02:04] <Subfader> that would link to it [16:02:10] <Nikerabbit> geshi.php and three dirs [16:02:15] <Nikerabbit> and under geshi dir are the languages [16:02:37] <Nikerabbit> Subfader: {{Category:Blaa}} but that doesn't show the categories [16:02:38] <kiba-kun> oh.. [16:02:43] <kiba-kun> I was missing that directory [16:03:02] <Nikerabbit> you didn't do svn checkout? [16:04:06] <Subfader> also just a link [16:05:09] <Subfader> ah no it shows the article's content [16:05:38] <Subfader> ok then it's not imprtant [16:06:15] <Nikerabbit> Dantman|FS: 11 [16:06:43] <Dantman|FS> Eh? [16:08:45] <Nikerabbit> Dantman|FS: the system you are doing... is it general enough you could release it on it's own? [16:08:58] <Dantman|FS> Which part? [16:09:30] <Dantman|FS> But for the most part ya... All of the stuff going into ElectronicMe is intended to be modular enough that once I'm done I can actually break it up into multiple libraries [16:10:23] <Nikerabbit> Dantman|FS: it could be a great library on top of php [16:10:43] <Nikerabbit> I would never think about developing a PHP software without the nice functions we have [16:11:00] <Dantman|FS> Mhmm [16:11:10] <Dantman|FS> It'll be awhile though [16:11:48] <Dantman|FS> The plan is also to introduce the ability to do query by array [16:12:25] <Dantman|FS> Basically complex things like array( 'SELECT' => array( ... ), 'JOIN' => array( array( 'LEFT', ... ) ) ) [16:12:58] <Xiong> perl [16:13:26] <Nikerabbit> $q = new Query; $q->addFields( ... ); $r = $q->execute(); [16:13:52] <Dantman|FS> Mhmm... that's possible to [16:14:15] <Dantman|FS> And since MySQLi does prepared statements I'll probably have a wrapper for that to [16:15:09] <Dantman|FS> Though half the idea behind query-by-array is that everything is centrally handled... the $db->select functions and such will actually be builders for that kind of thing [16:29:31] <Sadik_Khalid> Hi, In Special:Search page "All" namespace is missing [16:32:45] <Subfader> ^^not really. it would be better to add a js script to Select all / Deselect all / Invert selection [16:41:25] <spal> is it possible to define a CSS class in mediawiki? [16:41:46] <VasilievVV> spal: use MediaWiki:Common.css [16:43:13] <Xiong> well, there's more than one way to do it [16:43:52] <Xiong> depends on the scope of effect you desire [16:47:11] <Subfader> can i add a link on teh sidebar that only user in a certain group can see? [16:47:37] <ialex> Subfader: there should be an extension for that [16:48:10] <Subfader> alright. thanks [16:49:26] <Subfader> Extension:SidebarEx ;) [16:50:15] <ialex> exactely ;) [16:58:48] <CIA-54> 03ialex * r37597 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/README: svn:eol-style native [17:19:03] <neelaManga> hi [17:19:27] <neelaManga> i installed mediawiki in my website [17:19:45] <neelaManga> there is a error in my site [17:19:58] <neelaManga> anybody can clear this problem? [17:20:18] <neelaManga> http://ponkavanam.com [17:20:23] <neelaManga> http://ponkavanam.com/ml [17:20:48] <bitplane> check the error log [17:23:04] <neelaManga> <!-- Web.Config Configuration File --> [17:23:06] <neelaManga> <configuration> [17:23:08] <neelaManga> <system.web> [17:23:09] <neelaManga> <customErrors mode="Off"/> [17:23:11] <neelaManga> </system.web> [17:23:13] <neelaManga> </configuration> [17:23:27] <bitplane> that just means you can't see the error [17:23:31] <spal> {{#if:{{{date|}}} - What does the pipe mean here? [17:23:49] <bitplane> pipe is the parameter separator i think [17:24:05] <bitplane> if "date template returns something" [17:24:37] <ialex> spal: after the pipe, it's the default value if the param isn't passed to the template [17:25:16] <neelaManga> i'm not a programmer. [17:25:27] <neelaManga> littile knoledge only [17:25:43] <Lenaud01> I copy a template over from wikipedia to my mediawiki and it spits out garble there a reason? [17:25:45] <bitplane> neelaManga, if you run a website you need to read the manual for your web server [17:26:43] <bitplane> open your Web.Config file and put that code inside, restart IIS and you can see the error remotely [17:26:45] <spal> in my template, I have a line: The timestamps displayed below are {{{offset}}}. - I want that if offset= is not passed, then this line should not appear. how should I write it? [17:27:04] <ialex> Lenaud01: did you install ParserFunctions? [17:27:16] <Alexfusco5> spal: the default for the {{{date}}} parameter is nothing [17:27:37] <neelaManga> ok i will try [17:27:41] <Alexfusco5> so if its {{{date|}}} and date is not defined you will see nothing [17:27:49] <ialex> spal: {{{offset|}}} [17:28:00] <Lenaud01> no ialex [17:28:13] <Lenaud01> that 3rd party extension i assume [17:28:16] <spal> ialex: I want to prevent the whole line from appearing. can it be done? [17:28:37] <spal> meaining, "The timestamps displayed below are" should not appear too. [17:29:04] <ialex> spal: {{#if:{{{offset|}}}|this will appear if the param is passed | this will appear if the param is *not* passed}} [17:29:18] <Lenaud01> LO ParserFunctions [17:29:22] <Lenaud01> that what i want ialex ? [17:29:36] <ialex> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions [17:29:42] <spal> ialex: oh. thanks [17:29:53] <Lenaud01> thanks [17:32:18] <neelaManga> in my wiki directory there is no file like Web.Config file. [17:32:34] <neelaManga> make one? [17:35:13] <spal> #if: thing is displayed in the output for me. does it require anything to be enabled for it to work? here is the faulty output: http://freenode-math.com/index.php/Sandbox [17:36:46] <neelaManga> shoud make one web.config file? [17:37:37] <ialex> spal: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions ;) [17:38:08] <spal> so, this is something only the admin can install? [17:38:45] <ialex> spal: you need to edit LocalSettings.php and upload files [17:38:51] <spal> ok [17:38:59] <markandhriah> http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Test_calendar [17:39:08] <markandhriah> anyone install this extension. [17:39:21] <markandhriah> I have had very little luck with it. [17:39:26] <markandhriah> i am stuck at [17:39:36] <markandhriah> the inputbox not being rendered [17:40:16] <mrmonday> where can I find the wfGetDB function? [17:40:33] <ialex> GlobalFunctions.php [17:41:41] <mrmonday> thanks =) [17:43:20] <mrmonday> mmm, better question, where can I find the class that that function returns? [17:43:52] <ialex> Database.php (includes/db/Database.php in 1.13) [17:47:26] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 +comment (10wkroyfokker) [17:50:21] <Subfader> You are not allowed to create an account. wtf :D [17:50:36] <neelaManga> anybody know how to active image upload extention? [17:50:52] <Subfader> To be allowed to create accounts in ... you have to log in and have the appropriate permissions. [17:51:54] <MinuteElectron> what's silly about that? [17:52:19] <Subfader> ah i have $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; [17:52:23] <MinuteElectron> !uploads | neelaManga [17:52:23] --mwbot-- neelaManga: File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. [17:52:35] <Subfader> copied a whole block of group permissions [18:08:22] <neelaManga> one error in my site? what is this error? http://www.ponkavanam.com/ [18:09:39] <MinuteElectron> neelaManga: MediaWiki is not ASP.net. [18:10:18] <neelaManga> iss7 support i think. [18:11:06] <Subfader> bah microsoft [18:11:33] <MinuteElectron> ^_^ what does everyone have against microsoft? [18:11:43] <VasilievVV> MS rocks [18:11:47] <MinuteElectron> it does indeed [18:11:51] <neelaManga> i don't know , but b4 it is working. [18:11:56] <neelaManga> b4 5 minute [18:13:30] <Subfader> help! open source kills microsoft. [18:13:51] <mrmonday> where can I find mediawiki's password hashing functions? [18:14:47] <VasilievVV> mrmonday: GlobalFunctions.php I think [18:15:04] <MinuteElectron> Subfader: clearly it doesn't [18:15:19] <VasilievVV> mrmonday: and some bits in User.php also [18:15:20] <Subfader> soon it will [18:15:27] <mrmonday> thanks =] [18:15:28] <MinuteElectron> Subfader: I doubt it. [18:15:52] <MinuteElectron> Too many people and companies have too much invested in Microsoft products to switch. [18:15:59] <Subfader> You cannot really believe in the future of microsoft. do you? [18:16:26] <VasilievVV> No holy wars, please [18:16:57] <Subfader> yep. not worth discussing [18:16:58] <MinuteElectron> It could keep on going for another decade just riding on its legacy, I'm sure of that. [18:17:04] <Subfader> kill bill! [18:17:38] <Subfader> they were only copying what already existed ever since. and that were badly [18:17:55] <MinuteElectron> so? [18:18:00] <Subfader> tell me one thing they invented that wasn't there before [18:18:33] <MinuteElectron> That's irrelevant to their future, they were very sucessful even if they copied stuff badly. [18:18:44] <Pinky> ewww someone said Microsoft :\ [18:18:45] <MinuteElectron> and still are quite successful, in fact [18:19:28] <Subfader> yes but since the internet open source is coming stronger than ever. just take linux and firefox. [18:19:47] <MinuteElectron> internet explorer and windows is still dominant [18:20:48] <Subfader> yes but they have no future.i still ride XP and will till vista is dead. [18:21:28] <Subfader> i just tried IE 8 beta. it crashed. i laughed. [18:21:41] <MinuteElectron> i'm sure they do, maybe you don't think so; but there new products are making money - and lots of it [18:22:27] <MinuteElectron> if they weren't then they'd do something abuot it, and at the moment they aren't doing any of that [18:22:48] <Subfader> my point was just that in some years microsoft will be dead. no doubt [18:22:49] <gmann> does anyone here use the extension emailform? [18:23:19] <Nikerabbit> hello [18:23:37] <MinuteElectron> Subfader: Your point is wrong, their death is a possibility - but it isn't guarenteed. [18:24:11] <Subfader> right. maybe they'll be open source one day [18:24:17] <MinuteElectron> ] [5:#mediawiki(+n)] [Act: 2,3,6,7,8,9,10] [18:24:18] <MinuteElectron> [#mediawiki] [18:24:20] <MinuteElectron> oops [18:24:48] <MinuteElectron> Subfader: Why the obsession with open source? [18:25:10] <Nikerabbit> mmm [18:25:29] <Nikerabbit> MinuteElectron: how's the weather, now that we are off topic anyway? :o [18:25:53] <Subfader> ;) [18:26:02] <MaxSem> because Microsoft is unholy, blasphemous and damned for all time [18:26:07] <MinuteElectron> #mediawiki often strays to off topic conversation =] [18:26:19] <MinuteElectron> Nikerabbit: It's wet. [18:30:28] <Nikerabbit> MinuteElectron: wet is a dangerous word, it is filtered by web filters in some countries :o [18:35:41] <MinuteElectron> yes, it is... =/ [18:52:41] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Warning: putenv(): Safe Mode warning: Cannot set environment variable 'TZ' - it's not in the allowed list Parser .php on line 2851 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2658 (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:05:16] <Subfader> is there a way to list all users in a certain group? [19:05:39] <Nikerabbit> special:listusers/group [19:06:08] <Subfader> aight. thanks! [19:20:13] <Lenaud01> Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /var/www/html/wiki/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566 [19:20:18] <Lenaud01> when i use cite? [19:20:52] <ialex> ! DOMDocument [19:20:57] <ialex> hmm [19:21:01] <ialex> !DOMDocument [19:21:01] --mwbot-- If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgParserConf> for details) [19:21:01] <neelaManga> hi [19:21:03] <neelaManga> what is this internel error? "Internal error [19:21:04] <neelaManga> From Poonkavanam [19:21:06] <neelaManga> Jump to: navigation, search [19:21:07] <neelaManga> Could not copy file "D:\Temp\php\phpE68B.tmp" to "D:\Hosting\3093970\html/images/temp/f/f1/20080712192023!Image1.jpg". [19:21:09] <neelaManga> Retrieved from "http://ponkavanam.com/index.php?title=Special:Upload"" [19:21:33] <neelaManga> when i upload a image come this error [19:21:35] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) User interface descriptions look wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14800 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (kelsington) [19:21:44] <Nikerabbit> neelaManga: check file system permissions [19:21:46] <Lenaud01> I set the parser in my local [19:21:57] <neelaManga> ok [19:22:30] <CIA-54> 03dale * r37598 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (5 files in 4 dirs): minor fixes... updated metadata Helpers form [19:23:40] <Lenaud01> I already have $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' in my localsettings yet getting that dom error? [19:25:19] <wikibugs> 03(mod) User interface descriptions look wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14800 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:32:22] <wikibugs> 03(mod) User interface descriptions look wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14800 (10kelsington) [19:33:33] <Nikerabbit> ! patch [19:33:39] <Nikerabbit> !patch [19:33:39] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "patch". You might try: !bizzwiki !subversion [19:35:49] <wikibugs> 03(mod) User interface descriptions look wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14800 (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:36:03] <wikibugs> 03(mod) User interface descriptions look wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14800 (10kelsington) [19:36:24] <CIA-54> 03ialex * r37599 10/trunk/extensions/ErrorHandler/ (. ErrorHandler.i18n.php ErrorHandler.php): New extension: error handler [19:42:22] <Jung> what is the sens of wgMaxUploadSize, my mediawiki still allow the upload of bigger file, is possible to put a limit without touching php.ini? [19:42:47] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37600 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: (log message trimmed) [19:42:47] <CIA-54> Add more meta extension groups for MediaWiki for wiki farms: [19:42:47] <CIA-54> * wikia [19:42:47] <CIA-54> * wikitravel [19:42:48] <CIA-54> * wikihow [19:42:50] <CIA-54> Meant as a teaser to get the farms to: [19:42:52] <CIA-54> * update to better localised versions (soon 1.13 will be available) [19:45:41] <mrmonday> what's the difference between mediawiki's user_password and user_newpassword in the user database table? [19:51:44] <CIA-54> 03danny_b * r37601 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesCs.php): [19:51:44] <CIA-54> * new date/time formats according to Czech state norms and The rules of Czech orthography [19:51:44] <CIA-54> * adding couple descriptions [19:51:44] <CIA-54> * abc ordering of authors [19:51:44] <CIA-54> * minor formatting tweaks [19:51:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Remove query.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12881 (10maxsem.wiki) [19:52:13] <Nikerabbit> mrmonday: check if tables.sql has some documentation about them [19:52:34] <Lenaud01> if I install all the extension wikipedia uses and i installed parser fuctions should I not be able copy and paste source for templates like infobox_person? [19:52:51] <Nikerabbit> Lenaud01: you need tidy too [19:53:01] <Lenaud01> tidy too? [19:53:05] <Nikerabbit> !tidy [19:53:05] --mwbot-- Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>. [19:53:08] <Jung> Nikerabbit sorry, what is the sens of wgMaxUploadSize? my mediawiki still allow the upload of bigger file, is possible to put a limit without touching php.ini? [19:53:25] <Lenaud01> awesome thanks [19:54:14] <Nikerabbit> Jung: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgMaxUploadSize [19:54:36] <Jung> i read that...i did what the page said...but i've no results.. [19:55:44] <Nikerabbit> dunno [19:55:48] <mrmonday> Nikerabbit: I can't find tables.sql, where is it? [19:55:57] <Nikerabbit> mrmonday: under maintenance [19:56:49] <MZMcBride> Nikerabbit: Can you do a quick typo fix for me in SVN? [19:57:26] <MZMcBride> Actually, nevermind. [19:57:49] <Nikerabbit> MZMcBride: I'll nevermind then [19:57:51] <MZMcBride> "Number of edits to show in recent change, history and log pages: " is awkward, but correct I suppose. [19:58:08] <Nikerabbit> you wanted to add s to changes? [19:58:22] <mrmonday> Nikerabbit: that tells me what it is, but not what I should put in there :/ [19:58:35] <MZMcBride> That's what I was thinking, but I guess "recent change pages" makes sense. Kinda. [19:58:39] <Nikerabbit> mrmonday: are you writing an auth plugin or something? [19:59:28] <MZMcBride> I'm changing en.wiki's version to: "Number of edits to show in recent changes, page histories, and in logs by default:" [19:59:50] <mrmonday> Nikerabbit: I'm trying to write a script seperate from mediaiwki to sign users up with - I want users to be able to sign up once for all the apps on my site, rather than signing up for them individually [20:00:18] <mrmonday> mediawiki is the last app I've got to do [20:00:23] <Nikerabbit> mrmonday: still, you shouldn't need to mess with database, User object provides the needed interfaces [20:00:30] <mrmonday> it's prooving to be the hardest too :P [20:00:53] <mrmonday> Nikerabbit: not if the script is completely seperate from mediawiki [20:01:31] <mrmonday> I'd rather not depend on mediawiki's code for it [20:01:48] <Nikerabbit> why should it be separate from mediawiki.. you should write plugin for mediawiki that does it [20:01:51] <mrmonday> I'd much rather just perform the queries from within my script [20:02:23] <mrmonday> Nikerabbit: I dont' want to, I've pretty much finished the script now, I've just got to write the mediawiki adapter for it [20:03:04] <Nikerabbit> do what you want, but you can't log people to mediawiki by doing few queries [20:05:35] <mrmonday> Nikerabbit: I can create a user account, and that's all I need, I just need to know what values default to or where I can find the values that the addToDatabase() uses (as in where the values are set) [20:06:16] <Lenaud01> I installed tidy and have all the extensions wikipedia has but when I copy over Template:Infobox I get a whitescreen on my wiki? [20:07:40] <Nikerabbit> Lenaud01: check error log [20:08:27] <Lenaud01> where? [20:08:43] <MaxSem> !errors [20:08:43] --mwbot-- To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1); Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like. [20:09:36] <neelaManga> how to change media wiki logo? [20:09:47] <ialex> !wg Logo [20:09:47] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo [20:09:56] <Nikerabbit> ialex: you're so faaaast [20:10:04] <ialex> Nikerabbit: hehe :) [20:10:42] <Lenaud01> I did that [20:10:47] <Lenaud01> and no error showed [20:11:24] <ialex> Lenaud01: did you PHP/Apache error log? [20:11:31] <ialex> +check [20:17:47] <MostafaDaneshvar> I want to change my Toolbox [20:19:40] <Lenaud01> Template loop detected: Template:InfoboxTemplate:Pp-templateTemplate:Documentation [20:19:48] <MaxSem> !sidebar | MostafaDaneshvar [20:19:48] --mwbot-- MostafaDaneshvar: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>. [20:21:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Interwiki links to local pages should render bold - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4591 summary (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:21:37] <Nikerabbit> it's not possible to alter toolbox links that way [20:23:26] <MostafaDaneshvar> How is it possible to change links? [20:25:17] <Subfader> ^^edit skins/monobook.php [20:25:56] <Subfader> the section starts on<h5><?php $this->msg('toolbox') ?></h5> [20:27:36] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Allow users to change text direction in all text input and textarea boxes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:27:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) LTR RTL keys on commons and other wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8213 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:28:28] <MostafaDaneshvar> Subfader,thanks [20:30:16] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) BiDi feature request: please create a variable {{CONTENTDIR}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4126 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:31:38] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Simple multilingual wiki ability enhancement request - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6107 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:33:53] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (nurtsch-cv60) [20:35:25] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Language files have inconsistent mark-up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1037 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:37:50] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [20:38:07] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Page URLs are messed up when using accented letters (non-ascii) mixed with escaped characters. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11097 (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:41:30] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Sysops can put raw HTML in some MediaWiki:-messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11496 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:50:07] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Redirected MediaWiki: messages can kill wiki dead - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:52:48] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) feature request: provide a notification for irregular Unicode characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4185 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:55:46] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 +comment (10vasilvv) [21:00:44] <len3> Is there someway to make searching through template namespace default? [21:01:26] <MinuteElectron> yes [21:02:05] <MinuteElectron> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault [21:02:21] <MinuteElectron> Won't apply to existing users however, they must set it manually in their preferences. [21:03:54] <len3> what about people who arent logged in [21:04:13] <MinuteElectron> It will apply to them. [21:05:23] <len3> does it support custom namespace [21:05:35] <ialex> yes [21:11:15] <len3> I also had a question about the embedded file button in the edit page. Is it possible to change the value it paste when pressed? Its the button that when pressed outputs [[Image:Example.jpg]] [21:18:49] <MinuteElectron> len3: Yes, using javascript; I'm not exactly sure how though. [21:19:06] <CIA-54> 03siebrand * r37602 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [21:19:06] <CIA-54> * remove trailing whitespace [21:19:06] <CIA-54> * credit 'en' messages and added header to i18n file [21:19:06] <CIA-54> * add support for ErrorHandler in Translate [21:20:46] <len3> i thought it might be more trouble than its worth [21:26:10] <len3> thanks for the help [21:26:17] <len3> on the namespace thing [22:04:20] <CIA-54> 03ialex * r37603 10/trunk/extensions/ErrorHandler/ErrorHandler.php: escaping the delimiter is a good idea :) [22:42:41] <habnabit> Is there an easy way to do a batch-revert? I'm getting a lot of spam and I don't really want to mess around in the database without knowing what I'm doing. [22:43:51] <flyingparchment> if you're a sysop you can revert spam with the rollback button [22:44:22] <habnabit> Aha. Where's that? [22:44:59] <flyingparchment> on diff pages, and user contributions. and possibly history, i forget [22:45:43] <Mike_lifeguard> habnabit: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Rollback and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Reverting#Advanced_features [22:46:00] <habnabit> Thanks, both of you. [22:51:30] <leonardo> hi all, i would like to upgrade for semantic mediawiki 1.12. i have extra namespaces, do i need to replace swm settings.php file [22:51:38] <leonardo> or keep the old? [23:06:44] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) default uselang problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14802 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (tsca) [23:17:31] <wikibugs> 03(mod) default uselang problems - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14802 (10joystick.pl) [23:21:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) default uselang problems - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14802 (10joystick.pl)