[00:04:21] Is there any way to find out if a template links to all pages in a given category? [00:06:50] You could make two list and compare them. [00:06:57] Lists. * [00:36:50] hello, anybody could help me to customize an extension (MultiUpload) ? I trying to display a default text in the form, form an interface message. [00:37:12] *form, from [00:55:43] please, my tests fail. [01:13:57] hello, where is the deletion log located? I want to remove something from the log [01:17:54] !man Database layout [01:17:54] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database [01:18:05] Such fail... [01:18:09] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout [01:18:17] !man [01:18:17] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:`e1 [01:18:20] ... [01:18:34] odes3: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Logging_table [01:19:23] thankyou mz an mw bot [01:19:29] your the greatest :) [01:21:09] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:`e1 doesnt exist.... [01:49:41] hello all, I just asked about where the deletion log is located, and how to remove something from that log. [01:50:18] I was given two mediawiki pages, which are a little complex, and don't really explain how to remove something from a log, nor where these items would be in my mediawiki [01:50:31] so how can I remove a deletion in my deletion log? [01:53:42] Mmm.. long story. [01:54:04] if I said please :) [01:54:11] You need to grant yourself the 'suppress' right, and click the (show/hide) button, which will then appear for each log entry [01:54:38] Generally speaking, log entries are never 'deleted', because the log is supposed to be a faithful representation of what happened. [01:54:51] but they can be hidden from public view using the abovementioned feature. [01:54:55] wow thanks [01:55:09] okay, where can I read more about the supress right [01:55:19] I appreciate it werdna, you are always so helpful [01:55:44] i have version 7.1 [01:55:50] i hope this is not a problem [01:55:54] You mean 1.7? [01:56:01] It doesn't exist in 1.7 [01:56:15] The best you can do is find the log entry in the logging table, and use an SQL query like this: [01:56:53] DELETE FROM logging WHERE log_user=youruserid AND log_type='delete' AND log_action='delete' AND log_namespace=nsofpage AND log_title='titleofpage'; [01:57:03] crap [01:57:19] you were not kidding when you said it was a long story [01:57:47] how do i access the logging table? [01:58:14] i know that there is special:log [01:58:21] i know where the item is [01:58:22] through mysql [01:58:26] i see [01:58:28] damn [01:58:29] what OverlordQ said [01:58:54] i guess this gives me a chance to learn mysql tonight...yeah [02:05:34] werdna, if i had version 1.12, how easy would this be to update? [02:20:27] granting the 'suppress' right, and click the (show/hide) button, which will then appear for each log entry, is explained here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights [02:20:31] correct? [02:21:29] Hello. [02:22:29] hi [02:24:32] hi [02:25:01] I was hoping to get some community input on a project I'm hoping to start. [02:30:31] is this the right place to do it? [02:30:41] get community input? [02:33:44] Well, where would you think a good place for that would be? [02:36:00] depends what kind of project [02:36:10] there doesnt seem to be that many people here [02:44:08] i am curious, regrading Manual:User rights how do i use deleterevision I added $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deleterevision'] = true; to my localsettings [02:51:09] anybody there? once I have deleterevision, a manual:user rights how do i use it? [03:07:14] hi [03:17:16] anybody there? once I have deleterevision, a manual:user rights how do i use it? [03:46:58] 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 +comment (10avi.wiki) [04:30:42] is there a way (via the UI) to make it so people not logged in can't view my wiki? [04:43:25] no [04:44:10] ok [04:44:13] thanks [04:57:59] 03(NEW) 14693 Create " =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jayvdb) [04:59:05] 03(mod) 14693 Create "=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803 (10jayvdb) [05:05:42] so [05:05:48] 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 +comment (10g1ggyman) [05:05:50] ive installed mediawik and have it using XCache [05:05:53] but i get this on every page [05:05:54] Warning: xcache_get() [function.xcache-get]: xcache.var_size is either 0 or too small to enable var data caching in /home/david/www/deathstar/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 602 [05:06:03] help? [05:07:13] warcaptai1: That looks like an issue with xcache, not MW [05:07:45] Ohwait [05:08:22] Ya, probably you have something misconfigured in you xcache installation [05:09:03] Honnestly, I'd recomnend use of Memcached... All these random optcode caches aren't something I'd trust for that kind of use [05:09:39] how can i change that now that ive already installed? [05:09:44] i just picked one of the ones listed [05:09:48] i didnt really know the diference [05:11:58] !wg MainCacheType | warcaptai1 [05:11:58] --mwbot-- warcaptai1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgMainCacheType [05:12:03] !wg MemCachedServers | warcaptai1 [05:12:03] --mwbot-- warcaptai1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgMemCachedServers [05:12:16] Of course you'll need to install memcached [05:57:14] hiya Splarka [05:57:23] r [05:59:34] 03(mod) 14693 Create "=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803 (10maxsem.wiki) [06:13:37] 03(mod) Edit form eats heading CRs on save/preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130 (10jayvdb) [07:18:42] mediawiki [07:29:02] 03(mod) Edit form eats heading CRs on save/preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130 +comment (10dan_the_man) [07:32:43] mediawiki [07:34:01] (check the logs for the same guy) [07:34:06] Mhmm [07:34:39] ;) Perhaps we should program mwbot to kickban anyone who repeats the word 'mediawiki' more than 5 times in a row... [07:35:07] Actually... anything for that matter [07:35:18] ... [07:35:39] Dan, don't look at everything as a problem that needs to be solved by a bot [07:36:06] heh, he's still comming back though [08:00:04] Hmm. 0 commits in the past 9h55m. That's been a while :) [08:03:37] ^_^ If it helps, there have been plenty to my own project during that time... [08:30:14] !Werdna [08:30:14] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "werdna". You might try: !op !ops [08:37:02] isn't sul supposed to create new accounts automatically [08:37:20] some are made at first login [08:40:24] how can I login if I don't have an account :o [08:56:42] 03(FIXED) *first* perform Unicode normalisation and check for existence of pages *after* the normalisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1527 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:03:38] 14(WFM) Improper list alignment with Unicode Character 'ARABIC DAMMA' ( U+064F) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5807 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:08:11] 06(LATER) Localizing the numbers for unnamed parameters in template syntax - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5861 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:31:03] 03ashley * r37604 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Accept Unicode characters in board messages. Patch by Junflower, from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:SocialProfile#Unicode_Encoding_Problem . [09:51:39] What's the easiest way to stop myself constantly losing work from accidentally navigating away, or closing a window when I meant to backspace a word with ctrl-w ? [09:52:01] what browser? [09:52:27] it happens in most/all browsers [09:52:37] sure, but what browser do you use? [09:52:41] Firefox, normally [09:53:01] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3082 [09:53:14] that doesn't restore my edits [09:53:26] not even back button caches mediawiki [09:53:42] back/forward doesn't lose textarea content for my ff [09:53:48] it always has for me [09:53:51] do you have caching completely disabled? [09:53:57] no [09:54:18] well [09:54:19] it's been the case for at least 5 years on... heaps of machines and browser versions [09:54:33] hmm, I usually open edit windows into new tabs, so there is no navigation (other than clicking links)... [09:54:54] google notebook has an autosave, other PHP apps prompt on navigate-away, but in mediawiki, I just lose lots of work, all the time [09:55:02] and I believe there is a firefox extension to verify when you try to close a tab [09:55:25] I don't want to verify all tabs, just ones where I'm editing [09:55:45] ctrl-w is a standard "backspace word" binding throughout the unix world [09:55:52] so I press it a *lot* [09:56:07] heh [09:56:10] well you could probably remap that [09:56:22] (or maybe not, hmm) [09:56:44] there's probably some simple javascript to add to edit pages [09:56:49] to catch closes and navigate-aways [09:56:56] but it's not something I've ever implemented myself [09:57:23] there is [09:57:25] onunload might work [09:57:27] stuff like google mail uses it [09:57:40] MinuteElectron: yeah, just about everything but MediaWiki uses it these days [09:57:44] "Are you sure you want to close this window, doing so might cause you to loose work." [09:57:45] or maybe onBeforeUnload (IE specific?) [09:57:47] I know. [09:58:12] if MW doesn't use it it probably isn't very omnibrowser reliable? [09:58:15] *Splarka shrugs [09:58:23] I guess if I can't find a good one I'll get around to writing one eventually [09:58:27] should be easy to add to a gadget or greasemonkey script though [09:58:29] Splarka: Well its better than none at all. [09:58:54] http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/100604-1.shtml [09:59:34] Dewi: [09:59:39] *Dewi nods. Thanks. [09:59:42] if(wgAction == 'edit' || wgAction == 'submit') { unloadcodehere } [10:00:02] also, don't assign it as in that example with window.onbeforeunload [10:00:27] use function addHandler() in wikibits.js [10:00:28] presumably there is a mediawiki way to do events? [10:00:32] cool, thanks [10:00:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/wikibits.js [10:01:21] It would be nice to have a bypass so you can use the cancel button without being prompted. [10:01:51] yah, like if you're clicking one of the buttons [10:02:13] at least then we'd have ause for the cancel button =] [10:02:15] probably stick an onclick on them [10:03:45] 03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719 +comment (10cometstyles) [10:06:51] Dewi: have you tried keyconfig to disable ctrl-w? [10:07:36] 14(DUP) Renaming global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14721 +comment (10cometstyles) [10:07:37] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 +comment (10cometstyles) [10:07:41] also, Ctrl+Shift+T: "even the text you type in fields & forms is restored with the tab" [10:07:56] maybe you've got some of the paranoia configs set that clear all data a bit too effectively [10:08:23] (and keyconfig is http://firefox.lanik.us/extensions/keyconfig.xpi ) [10:09:21] I'm never sure where the latest keyconfig is meant to be without following the forums; but this one is surprisingly new at the moment: http://mozilla.dorando.at/ [10:09:24] I might have to give it a go [10:09:28] 14(DUP) Problem with Templates in the Form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14799 +comment (10yaron57) [10:09:29] 03(mod) Templates within templates, and variable names within templates , are not parsed correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12481 +comment (10yaron57) [10:10:23] Splarka: I don't have any paranoia settings; it's just always been the case that mediawiki edits don't cache for me, from anywhere, on any of the many wikis I use [10:10:34] very very odd [10:10:44] even anon? [10:10:49] And everywhere I go people say they cache... but for me they never do [10:10:55] I don't normally do anon edits [10:11:36] it's possibly some extension I really like is doing it [10:11:53] I should do some controlled testing sometime :P [10:12:16] well, just go to a random wikimedia wiki anonymously [10:12:24] click edit, type in some changes, and then try back/forward [10:12:27] actually, you know what it is - it's the expiry time [10:13:02] hmm, no, that's not it [10:13:06] it does work on wikipedia anon [10:13:42] there is a user pref in mw to disable caching, might that be it? [10:14:56] wikipedia is normal. Although, I have a feeling that sometimes I take so long to edit that the cache is considered "expired" and the "reload" wipes away my changes [10:15:32] however, on a default-configured mediawiki on debian etch, the pages don't cache [10:15:53] maybe there's some pragma no-cache on the server settings somewhere [10:16:20] could be, sniff the headers (or try ctrl-I) [10:16:39] well now you mention it [10:16:47] I use HTTPS everywhere [10:17:03] maybe firefox is more aggessive about clearing form data [10:17:03] 03siebrand * r37605 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/checkLanguage.inc: Update help [10:17:09] heh [10:17:26] that does make sense [10:19:02] uh, why is the search box jumping about? [10:19:15] I was on one page and it was in one place, now its in another place... [10:19:42] check Special:Recentchanges?namespace=8 [10:20:14] (but there were issues with the sidebar and caching or non-updating in some languages.. if it is not from a recent change poke tim) [10:20:36] pfft [10:20:43] Splarka: in HTTPS, it seems Firefox sends a bunch of no-cache headers with the *request* [10:20:50] Splarka: so I'd say that's it [10:21:04] makes sense [10:21:05] explains rather a lot [10:21:12] however [10:21:15] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Foo&action=edit [10:21:18] it still works for me there [10:21:25] if I replace the page with 'foo', click back, click forward [10:21:29] still says 'foo' [10:22:29] I have put the content of index.php to another file. When I start the new file it binds the webStart.php file, but there I can not access the StartProfiling file. I get require_once error . Any ideas about it? [10:27:41] Splarka: heh. Still resets in my main and testing FF3/win browsers (no extension overlap) [10:27:51] Splarka: but I can't see the outgoing caching headers this time [10:28:18] but it is looking very much like HTTPS is the root of the problem [10:28:23] Daniel_Dimitrov: what are you trying to do? [10:29:17] I'm trying to make mediawiki an extension of joomla 1.5 . The startpoint for every extension in joomla is a file with the same name as the extension name [10:29:27] so I copied the index.php of mediawiki to that file [10:30:10] Splarka: I'll probably just jam in a javascript thing. Or find an extension for it... [10:30:16] k [10:30:19] Splarka: I have to get going now... Thanks for your help [10:30:28] good luck [10:30:35] thx [10:31:34] Daniel_Dimitrov: you do know there's already a joomla extension? [10:32:22] joomlawiki [10:32:32] yes, I know but it is not working as I want [10:32:46] it binds mediawiki in an iframe [10:32:54] I want a real extension for joomla [10:33:21] that is why I started this project here: http://compojoom.com/index.php/component/content/article/8/52-real-integration-with-mediawiki-jowiki.html [10:50:12] exist a german mediawiki-channel? [10:51:28] ich weiß nicht [10:51:37] hwy? [10:51:40] hwy? [10:51:43] why? [10:51:57] my german is better than my english ;) [10:59:34] 03nikerabbit * r37606 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: * Fix grammar [11:01:55] 03rotem * r37607 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/writeMessagesArray.inc: Typo in comment. [11:02:08] 03rotem * r37608 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Message categorytree-member-num is marked as ignored. [11:12:26] Hi Guys [11:12:28] Question [11:12:34] I want to use SVG's [11:12:41] what the easiest convertor to setup on windows? [11:12:58] imagemagick [11:13:25] do i have to do any compiling etc? [11:13:27] no [11:13:35] its like any other program you would install [11:13:39] good [11:13:58] would you be willing to give me a step by step run down (pretty please ):) [11:15:16] well you just go to the website, download it, install it on your computer, then it should tell you the path to its binaries, you put that in your LocalSettings.php under the $wgImageMagickConvertCommand and make sure $wgUserImageMagick is true - and thats it [11:16:10] there are several downloads on thier website, which one :S (feels no0bish) [11:16:51] disregard that [11:17:14] http://www.imagemagick.org/download/binaries/ImageMagick-6.4.2-1-Q16-windows-dll.exe [11:17:20] meh [11:17:34] ok its good you told me [11:17:41] i almst got the wrong one :) [11:17:51] hi [11:18:18] i use the "DirList" Extension [11:18:22] hi [11:18:24] really? [11:18:28] but that did'nt run [11:18:29] i had some questions [11:18:32] thats bad [11:18:36] !ask | Tonoy [11:18:36] --mwbot-- Tonoy: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [11:18:37] i want a filebrowser plugin [11:18:54] but this did'nt run [11:18:58] i installed mediawiki software in bangla to my website [11:19:00] and the maintainer gives no anweser [11:19:20] darian: I don't know anything about that extension. [11:19:43] now i am making some of the pages and when i press save [11:19:50] Werdna: you know a other soultion how i can easy give a download page [11:20:16] it goes to this link http://songskriti.sitebooth.com/index.php?title=Help:%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE&action=submit and shows me a blank page [11:20:19] darian: Upload the files. [11:20:33] the link is that big cause the letters are in bangla [11:21:10] Werdna: but how i can generate a list of this files? [11:21:21] and upload is hard because some of the files over 100MB [11:21:26] it's not going to the main page which i am making the changes [11:23:29] MinuteElectron: $wgImageMagickConvertCommand, is that C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.4.2-Q16\convert.exe or C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.4.2-Q16\ [11:23:35] (with the file or just the dir) [11:24:44] The former. [11:25:24] hi MinuteElectron [11:25:38] hi [11:27:17] Prom3th3an: You will also need to set http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSVGConverterPath [11:28:10] can anyone please help me? [11:28:21] Prom3th3an: and add $wgFileExtensions[] = 'svg'; to LocalSettings.php [11:28:44] Tonoy: check error logs [11:29:16] MinuteElection:$wgSVGConverterPath = "C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.4.2-Q16\convert.exe"; [11:29:18] MinuteElection:$wgUseImageMagick = true; [11:29:19] MinuteElection:$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.4.2-Q16\convert.exe"; [11:29:21] MinuteElection:$wgFileExtensions[] = 'svg'; [11:29:22] Is that all? [11:29:23] yes [11:29:25] no [11:29:28] one more thing [11:30:10] $wgSVGConverters['ImageMagick'] => '"$path/convert.exe" -background white -geometry $width $input $output', [11:30:40] just add that line? [11:30:43] as is [11:30:44] yes [11:30:47] and remove the \convert.exe from $wgSVGConverterPath [11:30:53] that should be everything [11:31:16] oh, no one more thing [11:31:21] $wgSVGConverter = "ImageMagick; [11:31:27] with a quote before the ; [11:31:29] of course [11:32:45] this line [11:32:47] $wgSVGConverters['ImageMagick'] => '"$path/convert.exe" -background white -geometry $width $input $output'; [11:32:56] is causing a syntac error [11:33:00] syntax^ [11:33:11] remove the > [11:33:41] hello [11:34:02] no problem with logs [11:34:11] woha! [11:34:15] no more syntax error [11:34:18] =] [11:34:20] now lets test ti [11:34:37] i have a problem with generating thumbnails for *.svg files [11:35:17] :/ [11:35:23] i think i might relocate it [11:35:26] Error creating thumbnail: '""C:\Program' is not recognized as an internal or external command, [11:35:27] why? [11:35:28] operable program or batch file. [11:35:31] wait [11:35:33] it doesnt like the space [11:35:50] can you pastebing what you put in your localsettings [11:36:04] any developer who can open private chat to help me? [11:36:09] $wgSVGConverter = "ImageMagick"; [11:36:11] $wgSVGConverterPath = "C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.4.2-Q16"; [11:36:13] $wgSVGConverters['ImageMagick'] = '"$path/convert.exe" -background white -geometry $width $input $output'; [11:36:14] $wgUseImageMagick = true; [11:36:16] $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.4.2-Q16\convert.exe"; [11:36:22] mmh [11:36:23] me? [11:36:23] mk3 most probably, no [11:36:28] ok [11:36:42] ill brb [11:36:45] k [11:36:52] du i only need "$wgSVGConverter = "ImageMagick";" [11:36:54] I'm not sure there are even dev here ^^; [11:36:54] ? [11:37:03] DarkoNeko: there is [11:37:23] oh [11:37:26] in the meantime if you can figure out why it would be doing that, that would be swell :P [11:37:42] Prom3th3an: Try relocating it, but I suggest you uninstall ImageMagick then reinstall it in the new location so not to break anything. [11:38:00] mk3: What is your problem? [11:38:27] i get an error when uploading an *.svg image [11:38:37] thumbnail [11:38:40] Yes, SVG uploading is not supported by default. [11:38:53] What operating system are you on? [11:39:14] ubuntu linux 8.04 [11:39:15] http://pastebin.com/m1eb1baca [11:40:39] any idea? [11:41:13] I'm sorry, but I don't know what wmf2eps is. [11:42:03] how can i activate using svg? wikipedia is using it, too. i copied one article and there is the pic [11:42:46] !faq [11:42:46] --mwbot-- Before reporting a problem or requesting assistance, please check the FAQ first. The FAQ for MediaWiki can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ [11:45:00] any tip for me? in faq i cant find info about my problem [11:46:20] !svg | mk3 [11:46:20] --mwbot-- mk3: For more information regarding SVGs in MediaWiki, see . [11:46:32] thx [11:46:33] $wgSVGConverter = "ImageMagick"; [11:46:34] $wgSVGConverterPath = "C:\xampp\ImageMagick"; [11:46:36] $wgSVGConverters['ImageMagick'] = '"$path/convert.exe" -background white -geometry $width $input $output'; [11:46:37] $wgUseImageMagick = true; [11:46:39] $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "C:\xampp\ImageMagick\convert.exe"; [11:46:40] Uninstalled then reinstalled to c:\xampp\ImageMagick [11:46:42] Results in this error: Error creating thumbnail: [11:46:55] is that it? [11:47:11] ? at linux [11:47:12] http://203.122.240.118/wiki/index.php/Image:Questionmark_copyright.svg [11:47:14] yes [11:47:32] not you mk3 [11:47:36] that's odd [11:47:56] k [11:48:04] bye, i try some things ^^ [11:48:13] css question: does anyone know how the hover effect is done in the 3 parted table with the link list on http://paulgu.com/wiki/Home ? [11:48:41] it's not via template. he said he uses an extension he doesn't want to share [11:49:25] Does ther ehave to be a php extention enabled at any point? [11:50:12] no [11:53:13] all the requirements installed? [11:53:44] what requirements [11:54:21] it will be running on a windows comp, what are the requirements? [11:54:57] nm, I was thinking of TeX [11:56:28] Would GD be easier to set up? [11:56:37] yes [11:56:48] just uncomment the line in php.ini - but GD doesn't support SVG [11:56:56] mmm [11:57:09] well thats the whole point of this exercise :) [11:57:57] try running the command manually and see if it works [11:58:16] how to do that? [11:58:37] open up and command propmpt and run convert [12:00:19] well it runs [12:00:26] how would i convert something [12:01:00] convert testimage.svg beans.png [12:04:33] hold on [12:04:39] ii think i kno whats wrong [12:04:55] its trying to convert an image that doesnt exist [12:05:01] *Werdna pokes Prom3th3an|AWAY [12:05:10] .back [12:05:19] well the image does [12:05:25] just only in the DB by the looks [12:06:54] Prom3th3an: I haven't given installation destructions for AbuseFilter because it's just like any ordinary extension [12:07:10] lol [12:07:21] just add the line to local sts? [12:07:23] require_once( '/path/to/AbuseFilter' ); [12:07:27] kk [12:07:29] oh, and it depends on AntiSpoof [12:07:32] hi all [12:07:38] good i already have it [12:08:08] i've a question..can i use a php script in to a mediawiki page? [12:08:41] s/in\ \to/into/ [12:08:43] !e PHPLets | Subfader [12:08:43] --mwbot-- Subfader: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPLets [12:08:50] er [12:08:54] thanks MinuteElectron :) [12:08:54] !e PHPLets | zeld [12:08:54] --mwbot-- zeld: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPLets [12:09:03] thanks :) [12:09:08] wait [12:09:11] yes [12:09:15] i'm here [12:09:39] is not present the page [12:09:49] i know [12:09:56] here is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. [12:09:59] :S [12:10:13] ME: cannot find any PHPLets [12:10:43] yeah [12:11:07] but wasn't directed at me ;) [12:11:10] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecurePHP [12:11:46] now is ok [12:11:48] : ) [12:11:52] t [12:11:54] nx [12:11:56] MinuteElectron: :) [12:14:16] I GOT IT WORKING :) [12:14:37] i changed the variable path to an absolute path [12:14:39] hence [12:14:41] $wgSVGConverters['ImageMagick'] = '"C:\xampp\ImageMagick/convert.exe" -background white -geometry $width $input $output'; [12:15:47] how can i make the backgroud transparent? [12:17:07] Prom3th3an: change whit to transparent [12:17:48] Thanks MinuteElectron [12:17:57] MinuteElectron: me love you long time :P [12:18:38] no problem [12:21:06] 03rotem * r37609 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fixing translation. [12:40:05] hello [12:40:21] hi [12:41:39] i`m trying to make an extension, where i can find help?? [12:42:38] !man Extensions [12:42:38] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions [12:42:41] online [12:42:43] Muny: everywhere but nowhere [12:42:49] it's all scattered around [12:45:59] ok [12:46:03] thanks! [12:47:38] but, for example, to extend the functionality of a special page i have to modify that page? or make an extension? [13:09:08] Muny: which page? [13:09:09] 03nikerabbit * r37610 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (6 files in 3 dirs): * 2008-07-13:1 experimental alias-export for extensions [13:12:26] editPage [13:12:50] it's not a special_page :o [13:13:41] its a class... [13:13:43] ups [13:14:53] then i have to do an inherited class? [13:15:09] 03nikerabbit * r37611 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README Stats.php Translate.php): * 2008-07-13:2 group filter for graphs [13:15:10] to modify edit page the best you can do is to use hooks [13:16:34] 03(NEW) Logo for ext.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14804 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (robin_1273) [13:18:27] Hi Guys [13:18:33] The account sign up page [13:18:35] thanks Nikerabbit! [13:18:42] how can i add some text to that? [13:18:48] is there a media wiki page? [13:20:12] Hey Duesentrieb [13:28:49] Prom3th3an: yes it is, you havent found it? [13:29:04] not yet [13:30:13] Atluxity: not yet, what have you found [13:33:33] Prom3th3an: I was wrong [13:33:50] seems that is not a mediawiki-page [13:33:51] :( [13:41:28] Prom3th3an: you can use MediaWiki:Loginend but that is for both the log in and sign up page [13:42:03] Prom3th3an: now I see there's also MediaWiki:Signupend [13:42:22] :) [14:02:05] 03(NEW) Extension:News Channel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (wikinewsie.anonymous101) [14:06:32] how i can include a color on a link with mediawiki? [14:06:51] i want change the color of a mediawiki link [14:06:59] i use mediawiki:gotaccount [14:07:22] Xiong: for me? [14:08:33] another question zeld [14:08:37] Xiong: ok [14:08:38] : ) [14:08:58] anyone can help my question? i want change the color of a mediawiki link [14:09:02] you can change a link color, you don't even need sysop access [14:09:22] Xiong: how i can change? [14:09:30] on any vanilla mw wiki, it's just a question of how you write the link [14:09:38] use [14:09:46] ok [14:10:09] fiddle with it; depending on how you do it, mw tends to override your choice [14:10:33] but i have done it successfully, changing the link text to white on a blue background [14:11:00] let me see if i can find an example for you [14:11:42] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/Template%3AHelpbox [14:11:52] you'll notice a number of odd things about that link [14:12:14] it's white, it's reversed out of the blue box, and it changes the cursor itself to a query [14:12:27] view source [14:13:06] oh yes, and i killed the underline, too [14:13:41] helpp [14:13:47] hello* even [14:14:01] helpo! [14:14:33] no, helppo! [14:14:53] zeld: of course, if you want to change link color en masse, edit some css file [14:15:04] hippo! [14:15:12] thanks Xiong [14:15:21] but i want change only some link color.. [14:15:23] not all : ) [14:15:37] did you copy out the markup for later fidding around? [14:15:49] yes [14:16:26] i created that thing so as to work without any other change to the wiki, a one-time thing -- well a template but specific to that alone [14:16:51] if you are sysadmin onwiki, then you can define a css class that embodies all that and invoke it as needed [14:17:00] it is a messy approach, per link [14:17:44] you see that i *did* specify a css class; but that class is not defined in any style sheet [14:18:01] but it *could* be and probably *should* be [14:19:10] you do realize, changing link colors is, in a very broad sense, unwise? [14:19:25] link colors are a fundamental expectation of the user [14:20:13] i have made sweeping changes on my wiki but they are global -- and actually more like the standard than the vanilla MW install [14:20:26] it makes sense if your using a background color say for example which makes it impossible to make out the link [14:20:50] ... yes, which is why i did that for template:helpbox [14:21:12] as i say, in a very broad, general sense [14:21:19] use caution [14:21:48] i have, right now, another wiki set up on a host which has just redesigned their cPanel [14:21:58] important links are gray on blue [14:22:37] sorry, not the cPanel but the "client area" [14:22:53] i put in a support request on another area of the site, the "forum" [14:23:06] the answer was, submit a trouble ticket in your client area [14:23:26] after careful examination, i saw the link to "submit a trouble ticket" [14:23:30] it was damn near invisible [14:24:00] btw, for all of you who think white on black or red on black is rilly kewl... [14:24:08] ... pls don't, thank you [14:24:29] when i run into sites like that, my first choice is to leave [14:24:55] if i think i really want the info, i enter my browser prefs and disable all site styles -- colors, backgrounds, etc. [14:25:10] and if that breaks the site, i'm gone, never to return [14:26:25] black text on white background is not actually best, though; it tends to be a bit harsh [14:26:41] i prefer black text on an off-white [14:27:02] if the off-white is sufficiently neutral, then standard link colors work fine [14:28:00] indeed, the example i gave -- template:helpbox -- sucks [14:28:34] i realize now i had an idea and i struggled to make it work; having made it work, i failed to admit that it didn't work good, from a userbility pov [14:28:44] i only cleared the technical hurdle [14:29:11] i will put it on my list to make it more usable -- and perhaps less technically wizard [14:33:37] hi [14:33:48] it seem that..my wiki's custom skin got overwritten [14:48:02] http://arms.x10hosting.com/wiki/Template%3AHelpbox [14:48:04] again [14:48:14] less kewl, perhaps more usable [14:48:29] kiba, what's the problem? [14:51:51] I got mine overwritten when I upgraded [14:51:59] so it is time for me to modify it once again [14:54:34] enough clones [14:54:54] rar, I can't see those joins :P [14:55:40] i created my custom skin with a custom name, "scenic" [14:55:57] i have not upgraded MW since, so perhaps it will get stomped on upgrade anyway [14:56:24] anyway, doesn't sound as if we can help you [14:56:38] i do not like monobook at all [14:56:48] scenic is based on cologneblue [15:11:40] 03nikerabbit * r37612 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Stats.php: * Bug fixes for the previous commmit [15:14:01] 03siebrand * r37613 10/trunk/extensions/ (23 files in 23 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki [15:14:06] 03nikerabbit * r37615 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (classes/LanguageKm.php messages/MessagesKm.php): * Number format for Khmer (no thousand separator, ',' as decimal separator) [15:14:27] *siebrand kics CIA-54 for being late. [15:17:47] 03siebrand * r37614 10/trunk/extensions/ (23 files in 23 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki [15:23:49] 03(mod) Extension:News Channel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [15:24:28] 03mkroetzsch * r37616 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: update version string to post 1.2 [15:24:33] 03(mod) Should show newly-added hidden categories for preview version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13275 (10N/A) [15:25:22] 03mkroetzsch * r37617 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (3 files in 3 dirs): use Job::batchInsert when making many jobs [15:25:58] 03mkroetzsch * r37618 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: removed commented out savehook (done in LinksUpdateConstructed in SMW 1.2) [15:26:32] who wants to explain [[MediaWiki:Talk]]? [15:26:41] content="Discussion" [15:27:45] 03(mod) Extension:News Channel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 +shell (10bawolff+wn) [15:39:04] shazzbat! [15:39:12] what happened to the quickbar pref? [15:39:25] fixed left, float right, etc.?? [15:53:52] is there a way to make MW reject an upload if someone chooses "None selected" from the license drop-down box on Special:Upload? [15:53:56] 03siebrand * r37620 10/trunk/extensions/EmailPage/phpMailer_v2.1/language/phpmailer.lang-ja.php: Fix svn props [15:58:25] where can I read more about "override-antispoof"? [16:02:04] 03(mod) Extension:News Channel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 (10N/A) [16:03:43] hello, on wikipedia and mediawiki pages i see that some page do have a different backgroundcolor like the help pages, how can this be realized? [16:08:14] 03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 summary (10maxsem.wiki) [16:26:32] 03(mod) Counting users in article history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2994 +comment (10jarlet) [16:32:15] can i add html in a created page at the top? [16:34:42] if you have the insecure wgRawHTML enabled [16:34:47] or you could edit the skin... [16:38:30] thanks [16:38:34] ;) [16:41:02] Muny: there are more options... [16:41:04] !html [16:41:04] --mwbot-- For allowing any and all HTML, see . This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include , and . [16:41:21] it depends though what you mean by "at the top". [16:41:45] to show something at the *very* top, you need to edit the skin, because the *vedry* top is not "content". [16:42:35] yes, is in the content [16:42:58] Muny: i'd suggest RawMsg then. [16:43:12] or HTMLets. They are similar, have a look. [16:44:37] ok, i will look that [16:44:42] thanx [16:44:48] hello, on wikipedia and mediawiki pages i see that some page do have a different backgroundcolor like the help pages, how can this be realized? [16:45:15] adinc: the element has per-namespace and per-page css classes assigned [16:45:29] this way, you can make css rules that apply only to specific pages or namespaces [16:45:30] !css [16:45:30] --mwbot-- To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [16:45:43] Duesentrieb: ahh, thank you [16:46:12] 03(mod) Counting users in article history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2994 +comment (10Platonides) [16:47:10] is there any documentation for CentralNotice? as I checked its page in mediawiki.org there is nothing. [16:48:06] i can change css files within a particular wiki page? like MediaWiki:xxx.css ? would this override existing styles when for example done for MediaWiki:monobook.css? [16:49:02] is there a way to make MW reject an upload if someone chooses "None selected" from the license drop-down box on Special:Upload? [16:50:56] !namespace [16:50:56] --mwbot-- For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult . See also !extranamespace [16:53:18] Duesentrieb: could you point me to a help page that describes how to apply particular css to namespaces? [16:54:45] dunno if we have one [16:54:51] adinc: did you look at the body tag in the respective namespace? [16:54:54] whatdoes it look like? [16:55:28] no i dont know howto look into the body tag of a namespace. i just created a particular page called Test:MyTestPage [16:55:40] so i suppose this created a namespace called Test [16:55:46] your browser should have a "view source" option, no? [16:55:51] yes [16:55:55] no, this does not create a namespace [16:56:10] Test:MyTestPage will be in the main namespace [16:56:11] ohh, how can i create a namespace= [16:56:15] !extranamespace [16:56:15] --mwbot-- To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at . $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces. [16:56:18] 03thomasv * r37621 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: always use canonical page order if document is multipage [16:56:36] Duesentrieb: ok [16:57:06] adinc: when defining a namespace, you assign a numeric id, as well as a name. the numeric id of the first custom namespace is usually 100. the css class for that namespace would be ns-100 [16:57:18] adinc: you can use that to define a rule in MediaWiki:Common.css [16:57:29] anyway, gotta fix dinner now. [16:57:30] bbl [16:57:41] thanks Duesentrieb [16:57:50] !namespace [16:57:50] --mwbot-- For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult . See also !extranamespace [16:58:00] !extranamespace [16:58:00] --mwbot-- To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at . $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces. [17:09:49] 03ashley * r37622 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [17:09:49] SocialProfile: [17:09:49] *take DB table prefix into account too [17:09:49] *some random coding style tweaks [17:10:20] !interwiki [17:10:20] --mwbot-- Interwiki links are links between wikis. For instance, on Wikibooks, [[w:Article name]] or [[Wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article. To set up interwiki links, see and . For easy configuration, use [17:34:34] 03(mod) Should show newly-added hidden categories for preview version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13275 normal->minor (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [17:36:23] Duesentrieb: is Template a namespace? [17:38:13] adinc, it is [17:38:44] when i wanted to apply a css to this namespace how would i have to do this? [17:39:18] Platonides: like having a different backgroundcolor for those pages [17:39:40] 03siebrand * r37623 10/trunk/extensions/BugzillaReports/ (12 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) [17:39:40] Import BugzillaReports by Ian Homer from http://blog.bemoko.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/BugzillaReports-0.8.tar.gz. [17:39:43] * mainly unchanged. Removed trailing whitespace and some indentation fixes [17:39:45] * added descriptionmsg [17:39:47] Other: [17:39:49] * License not known; assuming default: GPL 2 or higher (checking...) [17:39:51] * Looks like it still needs some work (lazy loading, i18n) [17:44:16] Will someone please put all the parser function pages in one place? [17:45:08] Lady_Aleena, {{sofixit}} [17:45:33] Simetrical, I don't know how to transwiki a page to keep the history. [17:45:59] Lady_Aleena, you can't unless you have the correct rights. Where are you transwikiing from/to? [17:46:53] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions [17:47:11] Lady_Aleena, do you have a mediawiki.org account? [17:47:17] So something like that. [17:47:31] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena [17:48:13] mediawiki and wikimedia [17:48:55] Lady_Aleena, I've promoted you on mediawiki.org, you can use Special:Import now. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Import [17:49:21] *Lady_Aleena goes to read it now. [17:50:25] 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [17:52:39] Hola... I have a slight problem with one of my users updating the Wiki. [17:53:54] She gets an error when she does : SearchMySQL4::update. MYSql returned error 1062: Duplicate entry '2836' for key 1 (local user) [17:54:01] ... any idea what has gone wrong? [17:54:09] The updates seems to take and stay. [17:56:05] 03(mod) Expansion of robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14419 +shell (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [17:56:15] Hello! [17:56:23] Hola. [17:57:23] do you speak italian? [17:57:40] Afraid not. [17:57:51] :S ok... [17:57:54] so... [17:58:39] I would know if I can update my Wiki version 1.6.10 in to the new 1.12.0 ... [17:59:05] whitout to lost data... [17:59:17] It takes some doing, but should work, you may have to reinstall some extensions though. [17:59:18] tmm360, yes, you should be able to. [17:59:27] Extensions might be a problem, of course. [17:59:30] You also have to have PHP 5. [17:59:37] how can I, please? [18:00:55] how can I update? [18:01:10] !update | tmm360 [18:01:10] --mwbot-- tmm360: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [18:01:34] Hmm... My SQL error only shows on minor revisions. Not a big problem then. [18:01:50] oh thank's! [18:01:52] Simetrical, okay, now I am not sure it should be moved, since the talk page doesn't seem to have a discussion about it. Or is this something that needs no discussion? Please forgive my newbieness when it comes to transwikiing pages, when I get a new tool, I don't want to accidentally misuse it. [18:02:13] thank you very much ;) [18:02:58] Lady_Aleena, it doesn't need discussion if it's a MediaWiki-only thing. Of course, you should check that there's no page on mediawiki.org already that addresses the issue. [18:03:03] Simetrical, also does it also transwiki the associated talk page? [18:03:12] Lady_Aleena, I think so, or at least that's an option. [18:03:20] One minute, there's a help page somewhere. [18:04:02] "There is no decent written documentation about how to do this, so please speak to an existing admin before doing this. Once you understand how it works then please go ahead and import the pages." [18:04:05] *Simetrical sighs [18:04:40] 03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [18:04:53] Simetrical, *lol* [18:05:40] Well, Help:ParserFunctions does not exist of MediaWiki, so I think that I can just do it. [18:06:19] *Lady_Aleena closes her eyes and presses Import. [18:06:31] Lady_Aleena, not to the Help namespace! That has to be public-domain. [18:06:43] Import failed: Could not open import file [18:06:47] I'm not sure where you *should* put it, though. [18:06:57] Maybe ask someone on mw.org who's done more imports than me. [18:07:43] Ah, maybe that is why it failed. I will let someone more knowledgable than me do it. [18:09:54] There are only 4 others who have this tool. *ponders* [18:10:25] Lady_Aleena, plus all sysops. [18:10:49] Simetrical, ah, I didn't know that was a standard sysop tool. [18:11:47] hi [18:11:56] hello, I have updatet mediawiki to version 1.12 and now I have the problem that I have a page that is called "FAQ" shows some info where I can find information about mediawiki. With the older version this page show my "faq" page :-) How can I solve this? [18:12:08] Krimpet might be working on it by what is in Krimpet's contribs. [18:12:33] codejunky, do you have a link? [18:12:56] That is the page in the old wiki: http://www.opencms-wiki.org/FAQ [18:13:38] I just tested the upgrade, so the changes are not live [18:14:31] Simetrical: here is a screenshot how it looks after the upgrade: http://s1x.org/~jan/wiki.jpg [18:14:35] codejunky, upgrade should not overwrite any pages. [18:14:48] Ah. [18:14:58] You have things written into the web root. [18:15:04] We do tell you not to do that, don't we? [18:15:11] Don't rewrite to a directory that exists. [18:15:27] You can fix the problem by deleting the file "FAQ" from your MediaWiki installation. [18:15:35] ahh [18:15:38] how stupid [18:15:41] ok :-) [18:15:42] thanks! [18:15:49] However, you'll have the same issue if you want to create pages named thinks like README, UPGRADE, or RELEASE-NOTES. [18:16:02] okay [18:16:46] Then I have to change my rewrite rules [18:16:48] thanks a lot [18:16:53] Or, say, index.php, skins, etc., although you can't create pages by those names anyway unless you disable $wgCapitalLinks or whatever it's called. [18:17:29] yeah, okay, that makes sense [18:17:35] 03(mod) Counting users in article history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2994 (10jarlet) [18:18:08] eh [18:18:16] hey Nikerabbit [18:18:18] who uses jpg for screenshots? [18:18:29] microsoft [18:18:55] well the devil does what she wants [18:27:44] 03siebrand * r37624 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for BugzillaReports [18:28:03] *Lady_Aleena ponders renewing a conversation that is years old, or starting a new one on mediawiki. [18:31:22] neither if it is wontfix :O [18:31:54] wontfix? [18:33:11] bugzilla slang [18:34:38] Ah, well, I don't use bugzilla much, maybe just once. Can't remember. [18:35:08] Isn't bigzilla the place where instead of my regular username, I had to use my e-mail address? [18:35:25] Yes. [18:35:41] Okay. [18:36:00] *Lady_Aleena wonders why. [18:36:38] Because that's how Bugzilla works. [18:36:44] It only allows e-mail addresses as usernames. [18:36:57] Legal thing? [18:38:17] Er, no. [18:38:24] Just a decision by its developers. [18:40:24] Ah. [18:43:43] maybe we should get rid of bugzilla, and join getsatisfaction :) [18:44:25] whe should get rid of the open bugs [18:45:02] 3003 of them [18:45:28] *Lady_Aleena gets out a flyswatter. ACK! [18:46:38] 14(INVALID) iu: adds excess

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in - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1528 (10niklas.laxstrom) [18:47:29] Duesentrieb: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2119 <3 [18:48:22] Nikerabbit: Opened: 2005-05-09 [18:48:37] Nikerabbit: anyway... did you ever see the experiments i did wrt XSLT-Based skins? [18:49:39] Nikerabbit: http://brightbyte.de/page/Client-side_skins_with_XSLT [18:49:46] Duesentrieb: nope [18:51:08] 14(INVALID) Optimise constructions of ParserOptions:: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2398 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [18:51:46] Nikerabbit: have a look. ther are some quirks, but i think the idea does have potential [18:51:49] Duesentrieb: mm nice [18:52:11] Duesentrieb: couldn't it be a custom skin or something? [18:52:51] Duesentrieb: how can i find out which xxx.css will refer to a particular namespace. i changed ns-0 which is the Main namespace to a particular value, but if i wanted todo this for my own namespace, how would i do this? [18:53:13] not possible as a pure skin... but if you use hooks heavily, it *might* be doable. [18:53:13] not sure [18:53:34] What do you mean? [18:53:36] adinc: how did you define your own namespace? [18:53:48] Duesentrieb: do you plan to continue on it at all? [18:53:55] in the LocalSettings.php $wgExtraNamespaces[100] = "Humanoid"; [18:54:03] as an example [18:54:08] adinc: so for your namespaace, you use ns-100 [18:54:15] i see [18:54:15] adinc: because that's the id you assigned [18:54:37] Nikerabbit: not currently. i like the idea, but i have a lot of other things to play with :) [18:54:58] Nikerabbit: it's filed under "things to look at for a rewrite" [18:55:22] bah [18:55:27] :P [18:55:27] testme: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2736 [18:55:35] we really should do a clean up [18:55:36] feel free to give it a shot :) [18:55:42] but nobody is interested in bugdays [18:56:26] adinc : I am thinking you are working witha Roleplaying Wiki? [18:56:53] Nikerabbit: FOSDEM 2009, dev room. We'll have "insect squashing intermezzo" twice/day :) [18:56:56] Oberoten: roleplayin? i didint understand, i use a mediawiki version [18:57:16] siebrand: we need something now, not in distant future :o [18:57:16] It was just the "Humanoid" part that got me. [18:57:43] Nikerabbit: get 2 people that go through those 3300 open reports... [18:57:50] Oberoten: Sombody was in here last week working on a AD&D wiki [18:57:53] ahhh i see, for playing role games? no, it was just a test, it was the first i thought about when looking for a namespace name [18:57:55] Nikerabbit: will take them at least 2 months full time. [18:58:06] Oberoten: maybe adinc: and what he's working on a robotics wiki :) [18:58:31] Yurtle : I am doing the whole RPG wiki for my rpg troupe.. [18:58:32] yes robotics sounds much more interesting than role games. i couldnt play that stuff [18:58:45] ... also using it as a major place to dump art I work on. [18:58:54] siebrand: I need couple of people to test and make a wontfix/invalid decisions :o [18:58:55] i see [18:59:22] Nikerabbit: closing reports *and* adding new features, and not having a roadmap that includes planned closing of open issues does not help getting the count down.... [18:59:25] Oberoten: Mind passing a link this way? [18:59:27] is there somehow a template around for archiving persons to stay with this example. [18:59:35] http://oberoten.mine.nu [18:59:55] Nikerabbit: There's 177 people lurking in here. There must be 2 people willing (and able?) to work on it... [19:00:12] adinc: Um what? Have you seen a template for it on another wiki? [19:00:28] .. lets just say that running a system in a way it was NEVER supposed to be run gives you opportunities to streamline it a whole lot. The wiki is good for player feedback. [19:00:35] siebrand: well, I've been asking it few times, and nobody ever reacted at all [19:00:49] YurtleTheTurtle: no i didnt. but maybe something like a page which has proper fields for persons, like name, surname etc. fields well formated etc. [19:01:00] Nikerabbit: of course not. Introducing new bugs is much more fun :) [19:01:26] Oberoten: Looks intresting. [19:01:39] siebrand: the real bugs get hidden in the "I want a kitchen sink and a ice box" stuff [19:02:45] when i want to create a namespaced article, do i call it like this NamespaceName:ArticleName? [19:02:49] siebrand: maybe if we advertised a bugday visible.. and had target field in bugzilla [19:13:56] 03(NEW) A hook to enable putting options to the preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14806 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (bartek) [19:14:17] Yurtle : Thanks, it is a wierd mix of RPG stuff, history and art. :) [19:19:52] 03(mod) A hook to enable putting options to the preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14806 +comment (10daniel) [19:20:56] 03dale * r37625 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): stubs for ordered search results [19:27:18] Ah well. Godspeed people. [19:28:05] 03ialex * r37626 10/trunk/extensions/BugzillaReports/scripts/jquery-1.2.6.min.js: svn:eol-style native [19:37:19] 03ialex * r37627 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.php): Added support for ErrorHandler extension [19:54:32] It's that random question time again - we are using CentralAuth and trying to change $wgCentralAuthDatabase but changing it does not appear to be working. We are using 1.12 [19:56:12] (question: Is there any obvious reason that this would happen? We've cleared the APC and memcache caches) [19:57:12] did you change it on all the wikis? [19:57:18] the obvious reason is: you have it defined more than once, or you are editing the wrong file [19:58:08] As far as I know we currently only have it set up on one of our wikis for testing (I'm not the admin, trying to help him though) [19:58:45] is there a way to make MW reject an upload if someone chooses "None selected" from the license drop-down box on Special:Upload? [19:58:52] GreenReaper: how can you test central auth with one wiki? [19:58:52] I take that back, we have a shared extension configuration so it would be enabled for all, but right now it's only being tested on a specific nonshared wiki. [19:59:03] GreenReaper: that's like testing tennis with one player :) [19:59:22] Right! But if you hit the ball and it doesn't even bounce back from the wall, you know something is wrong. ;-) [19:59:35] probably :) [20:00:08] *GreenReaper imagines image of single player on tennis court with lots of balls on the other side of the net: "You're doing it wrong" [20:01:58] n8 [20:02:09] *Lady_Aleena probably couldn't even serve in tennis anymore. [20:02:10] extended watchlist? [20:03:28] Nikerabbit, yes . . . [20:03:47] cannot reproduce [20:03:52] Nor can I. [20:03:57] hi all... [20:04:01] Thogo|ausente, neither Nikerabbit nor I can reproduce your problem. [20:04:01] I have a small bug that can easily be fixed I guess... In the extended watchlist there is a typo in lines with more than one change: User talk:Thogo‎(3 changes) . . (+1,040) . . (Page history) [...] The lemma should be separated from (x changes) by a blank. Can someone fix that, please? It looks awful... ;) [20:04:08] It works fine for me. [20:04:15] which wiki? [20:04:23] Simetrical: Well, I saw it in dewiki. [20:04:40] I changed my settings to another language but it is there in German and in English. [20:05:29] it's on Meta too. [20:05:36] Do you see it on enwiki? [20:06:08] I don't have extended watchlist there... wait a second [20:06:22] 03siebrand * r37628 10/trunk/extensions/ (19 files in 19 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki [20:06:30] You're using extended plus enhanced, or just one or the other? [20:06:38] Works for me on dewiki too. [20:06:39] O.O I *do* have extended watchlist in the setting, but it doesn't work. [20:07:06] Maybe there was only one change to the page you're looking at? [20:07:08] Simetrical: What is the difference between extended and enhanced? O.o [20:07:17] no, 4 changes in one day. [20:07:21] Enhanced = popup menus, JavaScript. [20:07:25] Extended = show all changes. [20:07:50] "Enhanced" is under the recent changes part of your preferences. [20:07:55] It sounds like you have both. [20:07:58] "Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes" <--- set to true [20:08:20] Try disable all custom styles and scripts. [20:08:23] And gadgets. [20:08:24] no, I had enhanced with "false" [20:08:35] i use the enchanted watchlist [20:08:52] Enchanted, eh? [20:09:00] ok, extended watchlist works now, with the same missing blank. [20:09:16] What language do you use? English? [20:09:18] 12:56 Sumerian language‎(4 changes) . . (-809) . . (Page history) [150.101.205.93‎(4×)] [20:09:26] This is on enwiki? [20:09:29] yes [20:10:18] You have "enhanced recent changes" off in your preferences? [20:10:30] That doesn't group changes for me at all. [20:10:34] no, I just changed to on. [20:10:50] I had it off, that's why I didn't see change grouping. [20:11:13] but switching it on makes the watchlist work ;) (Why is that so? O.o) [20:11:15] Umm. This doesn't seem right . . . [20:11:38] Thogo|ausente, okay, so what are the exact settings where this happens? [20:11:41] http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php - there is a getCentralDB function and it passes a constant for the db name, 'centralauth' [20:12:00] Simetrical: Extended watchlist "on", and either off or on with enhanced RC. [20:12:00] GreenReaper, I think CentralAuth is basically intended for Wikimedia sites right now, not so much for third-party reuse. [20:12:04] MZMcBride: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-cvs/2005-March/027212.html [20:12:24] Hahaha. [20:12:29] well, if enhanced RC is off, the watchlist doesn't group changes on enwiki. [20:12:48] Simetrical: Maybe, but we're furries, we like to cause trouble. ;-) [20:13:06] flyingparchment: that was my! :E [20:14:31] ah, switching enhanced RC off switches the change grouping on the watchlist off, too, on all wikis I tested. [20:14:42] is that intended? [20:15:01] Yes, because you need JavaScript to have the little popup menus. [20:15:24] hm... [20:15:32] That option should probably be killed, incidentally. The code should be merged and JS used whenever enabled. [20:15:58] ah, ok. [20:16:02] So maybe this missing space/blank (whatever you call it) is a problem in Opera only? [20:17:24] 03siebrand * r37629 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (27 files): Localisation updates for extencoresion messages from Betawiki (2008-07-13 22:06 CEST) [20:18:56] Thogo|ausente, possible, although I'd figure it's unlikely. Do you observe different behavior in different browsers? [20:19:28] I try. [20:19:48] .oO(where the hell is my firefox...) [20:21:05] Simetrical: Yes, there is a correct space in FF. [20:21:14] Thogo|ausente, what version of Opera? [20:21:17] 9.51 [20:21:28] On what OS? What happens if you disable JavaScript? [20:21:30] (and FF 2.0.something) [20:21:44] OS=W2k [20:21:56] disable JS... Ok. [20:22:38] Simetrical (or anyone): Know any particular reason why we should not use the nightly build? (other than the always-possible issue of bugs) [20:22:43] it seems like 1.13 is overdue [20:22:58] and we would really like the multiple wiki extension. :-) [20:23:04] hm, disabling JS doesn't change anything. [20:24:51] GreenReaper, there's no reason you shouldn't use the same version Wikipedia is using . . . other than the always-possible issue of bugs. [20:25:19] GreenReaper, I wouldn't svn up nightly, though. Bad stuff is often checked in, and reverted before it's synced to Wikipedia. [20:32:33] GreenReaper: What extension are you refering to? [20:32:41] CentralAuth [20:32:48] Ah [20:32:59] we have worked around the specific problem that we had (hardcoded name "centralauth") which was fixed in trunk. [20:33:28] perhaps we will be able to use the 1.12 version after all, though some of the commit log entries are concerning. ;-) [20:34:09] 03siebrand * r37630 10/trunk/extensions/ (125 files in 118 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-13 22:06 CEST) [20:35:30] GreenReaper, oh, I wouldn't use 1.12 CentralAuth. It's probably unusable. [20:35:40] It wasn't used on Wikimedia then due to its suckiness. [20:35:51] 1.13 should be released Real Soon Now(TM), though. [20:36:24] has 1.13 been forked yet? [20:36:42] hm... doesn't look like it... [20:38:18] Duesentrieb: branched, no [20:38:21] Anyone know a decent OS alternative to dreamweaver [20:39:02] emacs :P [20:40:42] emacs.... no no... vi ftw [20:41:01] is there a way to make MW reject an upload if someone chooses "None selected" from the license drop-down box on Special:Upload? [20:41:52] 03siebrand * r37631 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesBcc.php MessagesKm.php MessagesLb.php): Localisation updates for magic, special pages aliases, skin names from Betawiki [20:42:42] Duesentrieb: if i wanted to read the css of the Help namespace, for example of this article http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents how can i do this? [20:44:57] the css is much the same for any ns [20:45:14] help: is distinguished on MW itself by a blue border is all [20:47:02] Xiong: yes exact, but where can i edit it [20:47:10] i'm new to mediawiki [20:48:25] where can i read the css on MW? [20:48:45] https://adm.dinc.org/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Common.css this page doesnt have it [20:49:03] adinc: Take a look at the code of the page, is it inline [20:51:05] YurtleTheTurtle: how you mean? [20:51:31] adinc: Is the CSS in the page's code? I'm looking at it now [20:51:44] no [20:51:51] YurtleTheTurtle: it is included from [20:51:53] adinc: I'm guessing its in the template PD Help Page ? [20:52:07] no [20:52:27] ahh [20:52:28] yes [20:55:06] adinc: Its here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [20:55:17] adinc: Under .ns-12 #content { [20:55:28] i see, thank you very much [20:56:14] YurtleTheTurtle: how do you know which namespace has which number? [20:57:00] adinc: Unless its a custom namespace I have no idea. I would just look at the code on the page in question. [20:57:40] adinc: if you are new to this then i offer a caution [20:57:56] css is spread all over the place [20:58:26] Xiong: hm? the only thing he should edit is MediaWiki:Common.css [20:58:32] generally speaking, when i go edit a css file, i usually find out later that i might have edited less, somewhere else [20:58:44] best not edit files at all [20:58:45] well, that may work for you [20:58:57] as i see it is MediaWiki:Common.css [20:59:02] only [20:59:10] it should always work. because it's loaded after the style files, it can override [20:59:12] if it is safe, i will edit this [20:59:26] css is always safe, more or less [20:59:50] * { display: none } <--- this is not safe, you will have trouble undoing it :) [20:59:59] why? [21:00:07] because you will see nothing [21:00:23] i will only see nothing when i view the wiki in my browser [21:00:40] i will continue to see my text editor and ftp application on my own desktop [21:00:43] indeed. and not edit files. as is preferred, and for many people, even the only way [21:00:53] well, there we disagree [21:00:54] sure, you can edit the files [21:01:05] but if you have that code in your common.css, editing files will not help [21:01:06] i don't think making everything an editable wiki page is wise [21:01:10] you will still not see your wiki [21:01:11] 03(NEW) Wikitext in badaccess-group1 messages not parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14807 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (roan.kattouw) [21:01:19] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PD_Help_Page&action=edit if you look at this page there is a charinsertion field, these buttons are hovered, how is this done, mine are simple links? or better would be the question where is this done? [21:01:29] "everything" no. site style, yes. [21:01:46] you wouldn't like what i've done with skins then, either [21:01:53] i skipped them all [21:02:09] now there is only the default, which i modified from cologneblue [21:02:23] i don't like the user to have too much control [21:02:56] adinc: more css, i assume. get firebug, it helpf you to find out what is defined where and how. [21:03:14] ok [21:03:26] Xiong: well, to me, the wiki way is abotu giving users as much control as possible [21:04:29] yes, and i think that's been taken to a utopian extreme [21:04:33] to tell the truth, the editable css and js pages are probably the result of the developers getting annoyed by requests from 800 wikimedia wikis :) [21:04:47] so now, they can just say "here, do it yourself". [21:05:06] there are always leaders; the question is whether they are open, public, and accountable or hidden, secret, and autonomous [21:05:36] Hey, I downloaded a copy of mediawiki. I was trying to upload it but it wouldn't work. [21:05:41] Over and over again I tried. [21:05:41] sure. that'S why those pages are only editable by admins. because they can be used for nasty things too. [21:05:44] my wiki is commercial, i expect ppl to come spend money [21:05:52] Then I read the error, the archive was said to have a virus in it. [21:06:04] PeterFA: well, if your upload fails, there's nothing we can do. talk to your hosting service [21:06:06] when they do, i expect them to complain to me directly if sth is broke and i expect to fix it for them [21:06:33] peter, this happens, perhaps -- try a fresh download [21:06:57] if you're sure the download is good, then argue with your host; it may be excessively paranoid [21:07:05] Xiong: whatever floats your boat :) that concept is not very wiki-ish, though [21:07:10] be sure you're able to do complex installations [21:07:15] PeterFA: Do you get an error? How big is the file? [21:07:26] or the archive gets compromized after download or on upload [21:07:31] by something nasty on your machine... [21:07:40] well, perhaps i'm in disagreement with what is wiki-ish -- seems to me, we make it up as we go along [21:08:00] sure [21:08:20] the underlying assumption is that everyone is equal, on some level; i disagree [21:08:39] that may be a poor way to phrase it [21:08:59] but in some way, it is very "left", politically [21:09:16] i'm not a leftist, really -- not at my age [21:09:44] It's more libertarian than left, possibly. [21:09:55] Xiong: Whats underlying assumption is that everyone is equal? [21:10:05] well, the overall organization of the web is distributed dictatorship [21:10:05] Decentralization and lack of rules are not really characteristic of leftism. [21:10:26] ack! political labels can always be debated [21:10:33] whatever it is, i don't agree [21:10:36] .oO(from each according to his ability, to each according to his need) [21:11:05] Basically, as a pragmatic thing, wikis treat all contributors more or less respectfully because there's little central authority to arbitrate. [21:11:19] YurtleTheTurtle, can't remember. I've overwritten it now with another download. [21:11:20] Xiong: whatever floats your boat :) that concept is not very wiki-ish, though [21:11:20] that's an absurd concept [21:11:22] -- and that's my point of disagreement [21:11:27] There may be a bunch of owned sites out there. [21:11:31] "wiki" refers to the mechanism, not to the policy [21:11:32] The finding is that this results in a lot of really productive activity, because people feel empowered. [21:11:52] it's like X Windows [21:11:52] PeterFA: Try uploading a 1KB jpeg and see if it still breaks. [21:11:57] Schroeder: is there a difference? [21:12:02] Schroeder, a wiki is, by definition, something that can be edited by anyone. Not everything running MediaWiki is a wiki. [21:12:06] this results in a lot of activity, because people feel empowered. [21:12:18] unfortunately, much of it is not productive at all [21:12:26] PeterFA: Your gonna need to send me a PM as I will likly not see your responece in this discussion [21:12:26] some is destructive and much is pointless [21:12:37] YurtleTheTurtle, ok. [21:12:44] Xiong: one could argue that about pretty much every kind of freedom :) [21:13:00] freedom is not all it's cracked up to be [21:13:07] dictatorship is so much more efficient [21:13:12] Xiong, but the net result is typically more productive for the amount of central money invested than a central solution, if there are enough interested people. [21:13:20] Compare Wikipedia to Britannica. [21:13:20] freedom used to be understood primarily as the right to leave [21:13:24] think of all the hours wasted arguing [21:13:32] After all whats the opposite of progress? *bad dum dum* [21:13:43] Or for that matter, open-source to closed-source, since open-source tends to be fairly wiki-ish. [21:14:07] I almost pwnd our host. [21:14:16] the huge political battles of the last century or so were occasioned by the realization that while you can leave your oppressive dictatorship, there is no place to go [21:14:24] PeterFA: Get a new one. I recomend me :) [21:14:38] We're resellers. [21:14:55] the nice thing about the web is that you can always leave and there is no limit to the "vacant real estate" [21:15:02] PeterFA: so? [21:15:14] anyway, time for bed [21:15:16] have fun [21:15:19] Night night [21:15:21] wheee! [21:15:54] I need a good copy of mediawiki. The site versions keep tripping the virus detection software. [21:16:01] (your stuff is pwnd?) [21:16:08] the thesis behind leftism is that the state has a responsibility to all its inhabitants, no matter what [21:16:19] since exile is no longer an option, voluntary or not [21:16:28] PeterFA: Disable your anti-virus. Or is it triggering your host's? [21:16:42] peter, i think you should argue this with your host [21:16:47] Yes, our hosts is stopping them. [21:16:54] very unlikely that the download from the MW site is bad [21:17:22] What is it triggering? the only thing i can think of MW doing bad is running the image utilities [21:17:36] Is it triggering only on the upload? or other times as well? [21:17:44] i don't think this is on install, this is on upload [21:17:48] peter? [21:17:56] Xiong, this is upload. [21:18:07] have you ever uploaded any major script successfully? [21:18:19] Xiong, yes, I did Joomla! a number of times. [21:18:24] PeterFA, your host's virus detection is almost certainly just paranoid. [21:18:25] do you have shell access? root access? is safe mode on? [21:18:27] Complain to them. [21:18:28] Xiong, phppetition, and a few others. [21:18:38] yes, i say too, complain to host [21:18:44] Xiong, safemode is off, I have ssh access, but I have to learn how to log in again. [21:18:54] PeterFA: gonna have to echo, complain to host. Then get a new one. [21:19:37] x10hosting.com has been very accomodating -- i was even able to install MW on a freehosting account [21:20:08] and i now have a paid account that's working very nicely -- decent tech support from these guys [21:20:09] Eww free accounts [21:20:19] hey, the price is right [21:20:30] but yeh, i paid for the next one [21:20:47] i said, if they can work it free, they can work it paid and maybe better -- and that's been the case [21:21:09] i should figure out how to get some sort of referral bonus if i'm going to be talking them up [21:21:29] Ya. I run a hosting company and have a server just barly filled enough to pay for itself, the rest of the space is for my wiki [21:22:28] well, fyi, the reason x10hosting.com got my money for the paid account is because their free account worked [21:22:39] i went through a half-dozen freehosts trying to setup MW [21:22:54] this is where the ball stopped bouncing [21:22:58] Cool [21:23:18] you can check out, if you want to compare [21:23:24] http://arms.x10hosting.com/ [21:23:42] http://www.beyondeuclid.com/ [21:24:03] the major difference right now being that ARMS is further along -- older, more time invested [21:24:08] but both still very new [21:24:20] What am I checking out? [21:24:43] if you want to see both wikis working, one freehosted, one paid [21:24:43] Xiong: they have referral bonuses... there should be a link in their forum's ucp or something like that :) [21:25:01] i should dig it up [21:25:20] not that i need much help on a $5.95/mo bill [21:25:26] MW isn't a demanding peice of software, any free host who won't run it is doing it wrong, or is simply not designed for dynamic sites. [21:25:39] if the pay site can't generate that much revenue, the idea was not solid [21:25:41] well, all it does is give you a whole bunch of forum credits... which can be used to buy stuff like domains :P [21:26:10] is that what those damn forum credits are for? buying domains? [21:26:12] i wondered [21:26:21] you can get those just by posting [21:26:30] eh [21:26:35] small money for small minds [21:26:42] :P [21:27:27] my theory behind BE is that recreational geometry appeals to educated ppl with disposable income who actually buy printed books [21:28:01] YurtleTheTurtle, no, MW has some problems on shared hosts. [21:28:04] and have the baseline skills needed to navigate a wiki and even comment [21:28:07] It's best used with shell access. [21:28:35] *Simetrical is eternally glad that his hosting is a $300/month dedicated server and he doesn't have to care about stupid FTP- or shell-only issues [21:28:57] -- ah but where does the 3 big ones come from? [21:29:21] Simetrical: Shell deff makes it easier, but what problems? I've got quite a few clients running them and havn't had any problems as long as groups and permissions are set-up properly. [21:30:09] It doesn't play well with safe mode, for one. [21:30:19] You can't store things like images in the database. [21:30:31] safe mode stinks [21:30:38] Lots of shared hosts use it. [21:30:44] Ya... there isn't any reason for safe mode anymore [21:30:47] Hard to stop people from meddling in everyone else's files otherwise. [21:30:49] Isn't there? [21:31:03] No, use suexe [21:31:09] Not possible with mod_php. [21:31:16] Or mod_fastcgi, without modifications. [21:31:22] You'd have to use CGI. [21:31:24] Which is horribly slow. [21:31:39] so much issues with fastcgi wrappers... [21:31:59] why can't php fastcgi wrapper fork for each new connection? [21:32:10] (and setuid to the script owner) [21:32:58] it wouldn't need to initialise php and the extensions, where AFAIK lies the CGI slowness [21:41:43] Platonides, forking is the slow part, I thought. [21:57:28] 03(mod) CategoryPageView does not work on preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13882 (10roan.kattouw) [21:58:22] is there a way to make MW reject an upload if someone chooses "None selected" from the license drop-down box on Special:Upload? [22:01:29] 03(NEW) Customize the toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14808 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (seb.beyou) [22:03:16] Schroeder2: is possible, but when suggested the devs always reject it with... [22:03:33] Since when are you an op here? [22:03:52] "If we make an upload fail do to a properly selected improper licence, they'll just choose an improper license which makes it harder to figure out later which are improper" [22:04:16] that is, easier to correct them when noticing they're uploading illegal content, and either correct them or block them [22:04:42] rather than have them take screenshots from Star Wars and upload them as GFDL [22:05:19] Simmy: no idea now, the new services erased the records [22:05:35] Splarka: sorry, I got disconnected...what do they always reject it with? [22:05:46] "If we make an upload fail do to a properly selected improper licence, they'll just choose an improper license which makes it harder to figure out later which are improper" [22:05:46] that is, easier to correct them when noticing they're uploading illegal content, and either correct them or block them [22:05:49] rather than have them take screenshots from Star Wars and upload them as GFDL [22:11:49] hi [22:11:50] how to create CATEGORIEs for mediawiki wikipedia [22:13:40] Add [[Category:Whatever]] to a page, and put some text on the category page [22:13:54] ok [22:14:17] extension [22:14:24] how to install [22:14:35] Most will tell you on their page [22:15:40] why does this not work, please?? [22:15:43] http://www.beyondeuclid.com/ [22:15:47] see sidebar [22:16:03] New Comment has a bullet, Gift Shop is messed up [22:18:07] http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3APortal [22:18:38] http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3APostcomment [22:18:48] similar content in each [22:24:34] Xiong: in Skin.php -> return $this->makeKnownLinkObj( $title, wfMsg( 'postcomment' ), 'action=edit§ion=new' ); [22:24:59] Reedy: thanks. [22:25:05] it uses a regular wfmsg call [22:26:12] but the sidebar uses a custom function called buideSidebar() which explodes the MediaWiki:Sidebar and iterates over it [22:26:30] 03(mod) Category listings are not updated when deletion of or edits to a template change the category membership of transcluding pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5382 +comment (10mashiah.davidson) [22:26:53] Splarka: how to upload picture [22:27:20] !upload [22:27:20] --mwbot-- File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See for more info. [22:28:18] Xiong: you might set a background-image on those
instead [22:28:42] #quickbar h6 {padding-right:10px; background-image: url('')} [22:28:45] or something [22:36:08] 03(mod) Category listings are not updated when deletion of or edits to a template change the category membership of transcluding pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5382 (10mashiah.davidson) [22:37:15] Splarka: thanks. [22:37:20] its ok [22:38:07] 03(NEW) Undo on multiple revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14809 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (TheEvilSpartan) [22:44:13] splarka, i don't entirely understand your explanation [22:44:33] i don't see why i can't put a named entity in the text [22:45:04] the sidebar must get the text from [[MW:Portal]] [22:45:36] and this has to work even in weird double byte languages, yes? [22:45:36] well, you can't because you can't [22:45:47] html entities are escaped in some wfMsg* functions [22:46:33] i'd rather seek to turn off the escaping [22:46:41] well, you can't [22:47:02] and it isn't a weird double byte language, it is an html entity [22:47:10] right [22:47:11] it works if you paste in the double byte character [22:47:12] � [22:47:26] actually, that is an ascii character, too [22:47:35] which in my mind, at least, the html entity should always be treated as a straight character [22:47:51] well, it isn't, not to mediawiki or to html ^_^ [22:47:58] i don't like it when parts of code struggle for supremacy [22:48:33] Xiong: they get escaped via htmlspecialchars(), which is used in almost all of the wfMsg* functions. & gets escaped to &, so if you had © for the copyright symbol, it'd become &copy;, which shows a literal "©" on the page [22:48:45] the easiest workaround is just to choose another character, rather than the bullet [22:48:56] you can't use in some messages, you can't use [[link]] in some, and you can't use • in some, life is life [22:49:22] splarka, don't mean to be rude, but that's just not my general approach to things [22:49:27] A lot of these could be converted to wfMsgExt( ... 'escapenoentities' ). [22:49:32] then don't use MediaWiki [22:49:41] i prefer to fix things than accept them as broken [22:49:45] Splarka, that's not a good attitude. [22:49:52] Anyway, better yet, all the wfMsg* functions could be killed with fire and replaced with something reasonable. [22:49:53] how did i provoke so much hostility, guy? [22:49:57] heh [22:50:03] "but that's just not my general approach to things" [22:50:08] I wasn't meaning to be rude back [22:50:15] *Skizzerz_Away agrees with Simetrical... honestly what's wrong with hardcoded strings? xD [22:50:15] just the perfect answer [22:50:21] well, that's true; i try to fix things [22:50:27] well, not being rude then [22:50:32] but bugzilla it [22:50:36] It probably has been. [22:50:46] There was some reason we didn't want to treat entities differently, I think. [22:51:09] At least not in all cases. [22:51:21] Something to do with non-HTML output, I think, but surely we'd want to have that escape less HTML stuff, not more? [22:51:25] but it is a bit rude, to force your ideals upon others.. "This is how it should be, now change your software" [22:51:33] Splarka, it's called a constructive suggestion. [22:51:38] And he's perfectly right, anyway. [22:51:42] You don't have to be indignant. [22:51:50] Anyway, I recall committing this change, but it got reverted. [22:51:54] sorry for any offense taken [22:52:11] i come here quite often wanting something; sometimes i get it [22:52:16] Simetrical: sure, but better him to realize it now, than to submit a bug and wait 3 years for it to be WONTFIX'd [22:52:43] i'm content to workaround on my own wiki, thanks [22:52:48] how many such necessary fixes to obvious problems have been fixed and reverted, or just ignored? [22:52:58] Schroeder3: You cannot separate mechanism and policy. [22:52:58] i found several places where wikitext did not parse, so i used html [22:53:20] (from an hour or so ago :-) [22:53:20] (seriously, the bug list is so depressing) [22:53:45] Splarka, I don't think it will be WONTFIXed. [22:53:56] Entities should be allowed in all messages that are output to HTML. [22:54:26] for now, i'll use $ instead of • [22:54:32] some would say, more honest anyway [22:54:40] patch submitted, patch applied, FIXED, reverted by brion for backward compatability, REOPENED [22:54:58] !extension [22:54:58] --mwbot-- MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. [22:54:59] pretty much the same as WONTFIX if the commits never stick [22:55:18] Splarka, there's no substantial backward compatibility issue. [22:55:19] and sure, html entities make sense anywhere you can see the output [22:55:27] Simetrical: so why did it get reverted? [22:55:56] but i also intended to bullet My Page [22:56:00] but reality is, right now: "you can't use in some messages, you can't use [[link]] in some, and you can't use • in some", and it can take years to fix such tiny problems like this [22:56:28] Xiong: monobook does it with background images in the sidebar, not appropriate? [22:56:35] Splarka, I can't remember. [22:56:38] Let's see. [22:57:26] And Splarka, that's why the wfMsg* functions should be ripped out and replaced with something sane. [22:57:28] i don't like monobook at all [22:57:37] "scenic" skin is based on cologneblue [22:58:17] Sim: sofixit ^_^ [22:58:30] Xiong: I wasn't saying use monobook, I mean, can't you use background images? [22:58:34] if you're going to have consistent bulleting [22:58:42] don't want a bullet on every item [22:58:45] just a couple [22:58:54] yes, i imagine, i could use a bunch of CSS [22:59:17] perhaps define a special bulleted CSS class and use, what is it, text-before: ? [22:59:33] i'm generally against cleverness [22:59:33] object:before {content:""} [22:59:39] yeh, that [22:59:40] Hmm, maybe I never committed such a thing? I can't find it. [22:59:44] i don't use that one much [23:00:05] This is all I can find. http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=27986 [23:00:18] the bullet works for New Comment and My Page [23:00:34] and i'm using a dollar for Gift Shop, which seems only appropriate anyway [23:00:47] heh [23:00:49] so the bug led me to refinement, i'm not sorry [23:00:59] well, html entities are clever, paste in the ascii bullet [23:01:01] then it works with no probs [23:01:12] don't think that's a go; bullet is high ascii [23:01:15] (unless someone corrupts it on later edit) [23:01:19] not platform independent [23:01:28] my bullet is not your bullet [23:02:23] i can't count how many web pages i find unreadable because the smith did not use entities, instead assuming that i must have a wintel box [23:02:26] You can paste it as UTF-8. [23:02:31] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar <-- what do you see a bullet in "Local � userlist" ? [23:02:35] The declared charset is UTF-8. [23:02:35] ^as a [23:02:37] It will display correctly. [23:02:53] Pasting it as ISO 8859 or whatever is not going to display right, since the charset is UTF-8. [23:03:09] well i will tell you this right away -- in your comment here on IRC, that char displays as an apple mark [23:03:32] sure, but IRC is not utf-8 [23:03:45] i do see a rather undersized bullet there [23:03:50] Splarka, it is for me. [23:03:52] on the test wiki [23:03:52] (many clients can parse the incoming stream as utf-8, but there is no declared char set) [23:04:04] Simetrical: well, good for you, heh [23:04:16] i'm content with the dollar, i have every expectation that all readers will see and understand [23:04:27] IRC could be utf-pi for me, means nothing to you [23:04:29] even if most of the cash in their pockets is denominated in euros [23:04:53] Xiong: that is because the text is small [23:05:17] on my machine, • displays larger than that [23:05:26] probably not a universal concern [23:05:36] probably a resolution/browser settings issue [23:05:39] hello. where can i manipulate name of napespace user ? i dont remamber [23:06:01] i'm content, thank you [23:06:28] i will probably try to throw the Gift Shop link up into the top bar anyway [23:10:40] even better [23:10:48] i replaced "privacy policy" [23:10:57] i will cover all that ground in ToS anyway [23:11:16] privacy, disclaimers, license [23:12:10] free beer is never free; the brewer must eat [23:13:02] the brewer can make marmite [23:14:09] do not bind the mouth of the kine that treads the grain [23:14:48] (brewing can also be a hobby) [23:15:14] can i rename of namespace user? [23:15:41] Mmm, marmite. [23:15:56] A_Bach: you can alias it, or localize it [23:16:05] what content language is your wiki set to? [23:16:13] pl [23:16:50] so is Uzytkownik now? [23:17:35] Użytkownik [23:17:37] right [23:18:58] well, if you edit the $namespaceNames array in /languages/messages/MessagesPl.php ... [23:19:21] (though you usually shouldn't edit that) [23:20:11] i found $wgNamespaceNamesEn in/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages [23:21:24] use it or edit messages? [23:22:21] U oh [23:22:48] it looks like someone has figured out how to vandalize PS3 owners [23:22:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Vandalism_of_the_worst_kind [23:22:53] I LOL'D [23:23:54] A_Bach: damn lack of documentation [23:24:11] i tried... but it dont work.. [23:24:14] mboverload: off topic for this channel, you probably want to discuss "the lulz" in #wikipedia-en [23:24:47] Sorry [23:24:59] *mboverload goes back to his corner [23:25:00] Splarka: editing messages... :) [23:25:44] A_Bach: try copying the text here: http://p.defau.lt/?ugfs3_3HZo3UPtLyQnplPA to your LocalSettings.php [23:26:30] you may also wish to set http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceAliases to alias the old user/user_talk namespace to the new [23:27:26] "This page is not part of our dispute resolution process." [23:27:28] ha ha ha [23:27:38] on WP, *every* page is part of the fight [23:27:44] nothing is exempt [23:28:00] Splarka: right.. i didnt found that en is language:) [23:29:01] Splarka: thank you very much but i will stay with changed messagesPl :) [23:29:17] well, if it works... but that might make it harder to upgrade later [23:30:34] just have to remamber :) [23:33:14] !extension [23:33:14] --mwbot-- MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. [23:36:10] how can i check revision of my wiki? [23:36:11] Would it be a privacy-problem if the mediawiki api could return a json-page with a callback that said wehter or not the user was logged in? i.e( mediawiki_logged_in({"status":{"logged_in":true,"domain":"commons.wikimedia.org"}}) [23:36:24] 03nicdumz * r37632 10/branches/category-redirects/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [23:36:24] * Adding cat_redir_pages : number of pages belonging to the category through a category redirect [23:36:24] * Using cat_id instead of cat_title when able to [23:36:24] * update updateCategoryCounts to distinguish category modified inline or through a redirect [23:36:33] in special:version is only version of mediawiki [23:37:22] Kagee: all callbacks are anonymous [23:37:57] Anonymous is OK [23:38:23] what i need to know is if the user is logged in, not what his/her username is. [23:38:52] i just need to verify that the user is logged in, and not a anonymous user at the wiki [23:39:09] well, you can use ajax, with json and eval() [23:39:18] then you can avoid callback (but must be on the same domain) [23:41:44] because any site could then tell if you were logged in to any wiki [23:42:47] Yeah, i know that is a problem. It's not possible to use i.e HTTP Referer? [23:43:03] no, stupid question [23:43:10] thats easy to fake [23:43:11] well, it could, but it'd be pretty lame [23:43:19] it would have to be a function inside the returned json [23:43:34] checking document.location.href against an array of allowed domains [23:44:03] why do you need to know if someone on the toolserver is logged in? [23:44:51] Because i don't like iframes? http://toolserver.org/~luxo/derivativeFX/deri1.php [23:45:31] I suggested he use the api, but i forgot the cross-domain-problem [23:45:45] (if it is for any kind if security, that can be faked) [23:45:49] hmm [23:46:35] On tihs tool, it's just so you don't have to go trought the whole prosess, and the be denied upload [23:46:42] the = then [23:47:10] ahh [23:48:23] And now i'm trying to find another solution :) [23:48:55] you could have a clickthrough on commons, but would need their help a bit [23:49:10] like direct them to Special:Upload Special:Watchlist or Special:Preferences [23:49:36] why not something like { "usergroups": {"*", "user"} }, that's info already available to any user being able to use javascript anyways.. [23:49:58] darkcode: try it [23:50:21] Kaare: for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist?uselang=derviativeworks [23:50:49] and change MediaWiki:Watchlist-details/derviativeworks to a big message directing the user back to the tool's real URL [23:51:11] !category [23:51:11] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories [23:51:14] (er, except put it on commons of course) [23:52:08] darkcode: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=jsonfm&meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights vs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=jsonfm&meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights&callback=foo [23:52:18] sounds complicated [23:52:54] all users appear anonymous with callback, and callback is needed to execute api javascript across servers [23:54:06] Kagee: not terribly... [23:54:17] But the admins on commons could maybe help another way... [23:55:10] If they modifed Commons:Upload to send a parameter in the link to luxo/derivativeFX that said wether or not the user was logged in [23:55:45] Ok - i can edit it, didn't know that [23:55:48] well [23:55:52] someone might bookmark that URL [23:56:21] (same for my suggestion too, bah) [23:56:21] stupid users :-) [23:57:01] well why does it make users anonymous if there logged in when callback is used, doesn't make much sense [23:57:15] darkcode: it makes assloads of sense [23:57:22] imagine if it didn't, and you visited my website [23:57:33] darkcode: so badsite.com cant find your username [23:57:42] worse than that [23:57:51] I could make you get an edit token, page contents, username, edittime and starttime, for any page I wanted, and make you submit the form [23:58:02] if you were a sysop, I could make you delete any page [23:58:36] ... [23:58:59] any info you can get from the API, I could use to submit via a custom JS generated form, to the remote index.php [23:59:09] hmm true [23:59:49] I just generate the form in js, and .click() it [23:59:52] but that is certainly possible now as well [23:59:58] sure, but only anonymously