[00:00:01] and was possible before [00:00:31] the only difference before is, the malicious website would have to get the starttime, edittime, and page contents before hand [00:00:31] couldn't you, sai get the data using a javaapplet and still do it? [00:00:54] (WP:BEANS territory) [00:01:10] still doesn't help your problem, hmm [00:06:47] bye [00:13:20] $ ls /usr/bin/git-* | wc -l [00:13:20] 130 [00:13:26] Is git freaking complicated or what? [00:13:58] no, i'm giving up - the only solution i found, was to create the tool-link using javascript i.e Common.js [00:45:52] 03(mod) 14693 Create "=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803 (10irmvol) [00:45:55] [13-Jul-2008 19:08:53] PHP Warning: preg_match() [ >function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: support for \P, \p, and \X has no [00:45:55] t been compiled at offset 5 in /var/www/w/includes/Linker.php on line 1295 [00:46:07] *Simetrical frowns at Dantman or whoever [01:45:30] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#...is_the_Help_namespace_empty.3F suggests copying the help pages from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents. Is there any way to do that automatically? [01:46:02] Import/Export [01:46:50] Where do I access that from? [01:47:09] There was a page on MW.org on how to do that [01:47:21] ok, checking... [01:54:54] *sigh* [01:55:08] seems rather over-complex... [01:55:22] first, you must create a list of all help pages, using special:allpages [01:55:54] then, you must munge the list in a text editor, to put one page on each line and prefix each line with "Help:" [01:56:11] then, you must paste the list of pages into special:export [01:56:16] then you're good to go [01:56:33] alternatively, *if* all the pages you want belong to a category, you can work it that way [01:56:59] It might be nice if the instructions to do this were actually in the FAQ in the section describing the problem... [01:57:12] but on the default MW install, all pages within a given namespace are not automatically categorized into some "namespace category" [01:57:27] there are no instructions because everyone is too embarassed that it is so clunky [01:57:34] well, really it would be nice if mediawiki actually shipping with the help pages, but that's another issue [01:57:40] realistically, there is no real good export/import capacity [01:58:12] Xiong: actually, step one is finding wiki_import.sh :) [01:58:34] well there's more than one way to do it [01:58:43] Eh? Special:Import [01:58:55] i think the trouble is that most ppl who want to do export/import are jocks, and run bots [01:59:48] I'm sure I'm not the first novice to install the mediawiki package and wonder why the help pages are all empty :) [01:59:54] dantman: import is no trouble [02:00:08] but how to export *all* help pages in one go? [02:00:55] I'd think everyone who installs a wiki wants to have help pages for their users,no? [02:01:01] if anybody ever does this thing, it would be nice to post the XML archive somewhere for public use [02:01:12] of course, it will have to be dated [02:01:35] the main problem is each install is so customizable [02:01:39] maybe the thing to do is change the links so they point to mediawiki.org [02:01:40] mind that some of the help pages require templates, too [02:02:07] and a few, images [02:02:08] ^_^ Extension:Help [02:02:12] Splarka: You don't think the main problem is that you're shipping without help pages? :) [02:02:12] the help pages are for people new to the wiki, mediawiki.org's manual pages are for people new to mediawiki [02:02:17] nope [02:02:19] use some HTTP requests and cache help data [02:02:47] not concerned with the Manual: pages, just the Help: [02:02:49] on fishpedia... "How do I add an infobox to a new page about a new species of fish?" "add {{Infobox fish|||}} [02:03:01] but "how do I create a template?" -> mediawiki.org [02:03:08] yeh, there will always be a need for wiki specific help [02:03:27] if you ship with help pages that are copies of mediawiki.org pages... [02:03:41] so what? just link to mediawiki at Help:Root or whatever? [02:03:44] done, finished [02:03:45] they'll either stagnate as outdated versions of those on mw.org (bad) [02:03:54] or be updated to relfect useful info about the local wiki (good) [02:03:59] but how do you prevent the bad? [02:04:13] yes, soft redirects are one way [02:04:17] it would be best if all help files were in commons and every MW install hit them there, by default [02:04:20] ship with a Help: namespace full of: [02:04:39] [[mw:Help:Templates]] [02:04:41] heh [02:05:11] that might almost be possible; have to fiddle with interwiki links [02:05:11] Xiong: many installs are intranet, and sometimes with machines not even internet-capable [02:05:25] so, there's the argument to ship with [02:05:52] well, more an argument against, better they write their own specialized help [02:05:54] and now that i think of it, no, the help files don't need to be constantly up to date, because they should be specific to the given MW version anyway [02:06:10] there is nothing specialized about wikitext syntax [02:06:11] ahh [02:06:21] but that assumes every shipped help file is up to date with the revision/version [02:06:23] which is far from the cae [02:06:25] ^case [02:06:38] what *is* the case? there is no case [02:06:43] help files don't ship [02:06:52] and there are many things specialized about wikisyntax [02:07:02] what?? [02:07:05] ^_^ That would require a dedicated team aimed at creating help pages, and making sure a perfect set of help files are packaged with the software [02:07:06] you can install many different extensions [02:07:14] by definition, it works the same on every install [02:07:18] heh [02:07:19] extensions are another issue [02:07:26] basic markup is always the same [02:07:32] right, but the majority of big projects have ParserFunctions [02:07:45] i don't think it can be customized short of a big hammer [02:07:47] so help regarding clever template tricks is often parserfunction-centric [02:07:53] ;) I think he's alluding to the fact that our help and manual page lag in comparison to the software [02:08:00] well then, help:parserfunctions [02:08:07] dantman: that may be [02:08:12] and that's an issue [02:08:14] the potential help page about creating templates on a wiki with parserfunctions is signifcantly different than on one without [02:08:18] Don't you think it's bad when someone does an install for the first time, clicks edit, clicks on help to see how *this* wiki does formatting, and you get an empty page? [02:08:19] but it's all we've got [02:08:29] waltman ++ [02:08:46] the elite point of view may have merit but not for us dummies [02:08:50] same for options that aren't pure extensions, like html tidy, imagemagick, user css/js [02:08:56] especially not for our dummy users [02:09:00] Creating those help pages is the responsibility of the person installing the wiki [02:09:03] *waltman is a dummy user :) [02:09:07] BS! [02:09:15] and a help page about creating templates without parserfunctions may be quite deterimental for a wiki that has them [02:09:18] And someone who is doing the installing should be reading the central manual [02:09:21] you get a toaster, it comes with a book [02:09:35] a proper set of help files is a massive undertaking [02:09:44] right [02:09:51] and now multiply that by every language... [02:09:52] ;) We have a book... it's called mediawiki.org, meta works to [02:10:06] and since it relates not to the topic/subject of the wiki but to the engine that drives it, it is silly to write it from scratch each time [02:10:22] and then by every possible combination of the very basic options and extensions, like usercss/js, tidy, parserfunctions, image uploading, external images, etc [02:10:33] -- which brings us back to the stupidsimple fix -- link to MW at Help:Root and leave it at that [02:10:37] then perhaps the default base install should link to those pages? [02:10:54] the help common to all mediawiki is at mediawiki.org and is constantly updated and backdated, and applies to all versions (when possible) [02:10:57] splarka, that is complication for complication's sake [02:11:07] nothing is perfect but anything is better than nothing [02:11:13] um [02:11:28] "nothing is perfect" is true in the alternate interpretation [02:11:34] "having nothing there, is perfect" [02:11:45] correct -- it is perfect [02:11:48] but anything is better [02:12:03] corrupt anything, imperfect anything, is better than perfect nothingness [02:12:15] in the real world [02:12:16] anything is not *always* better than nothing, having a set of pre-existing help pages that will quickly become deprecated by someone fiddling with extensions is not always better than having people write them from scratch from a slightly painful learning period, [02:12:38] :/ Some of us would actually be fairly annoyed if MediaWiki suddenly just started spewing a bunch of crappy pages into the default install for us to delete [02:12:41] who are these people, with this disposable time to write these help pages? [02:12:47] sure, an optional set of help pages you can import with one click, nice [02:12:52] i have all i can do to put *content* up [02:12:56] but to force them on people as pre-existing pages in the help namespace, is bad [02:13:07] does the installation manual have instructions for writing the help files from scratch? [02:13:07] i don't care about mechanism [02:13:18] I still like the Extension:Help idea [02:13:26] <2 cents>just because someone installs extensions doesn't make that documenation obsolete, just makes it inaccurate in some respects [02:13:27] one-click import would be fine, i don't care whether it ships that way or not [02:13:33] waltman: yes, go to a page like Help:Templates, click edit, put in what you've learned ^_^ [02:13:51] "everything be freeform" is not always right [02:14:02] if you don't know how to use templates, go to mediawiki.org and learn [02:14:20] hi! [02:14:35] which brings us, for the third time, to: "link to MW at Help:Root and stop" [02:14:49] plise, help- how i can add user to group admin? [02:14:55] hi, hipek [02:14:59] Splarka: and where is this listed under http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide ? [02:15:24] [[Special:Userrights]] [02:15:39] waltman: well, what do you need help on? [02:15:43] beyond installation [02:15:44] to me, that sounded like an excuse more than a good reason, that's why i interjected. [02:16:01] this philosophy is ingrained [02:16:06] broke? you fix it [02:16:10] simonrvn: there is a difference between obsolete and deprecated [02:16:17] hmmmm... i'm form Poland, so- i must translate that url :D [02:16:22] for example, instructions on how to use Template:Qif when parserfunctions are installed [02:16:35] yes, but you're playing semantics, IMO, now [02:16:54] no disrespect intended [02:16:54] hipek: go to special pages, it's a restricted special page [02:17:03] I'm wondering how a newbie doing a new installation would ever stumble upon Help:Templates [02:17:04] near the bottom [02:17:20] of what? [02:17:22] waltman: steep learning curve, if you can stay on, get off [02:17:28] i prefer to fix things than accept them as broken [02:17:33] maybe a bit rude to say but... [02:17:39] I think you see things as broken when they aren't necessarily [02:17:50] not to your liking != broken [02:17:53] well splarka, here we are, waltman and i, telling you that we think this is broken [02:18:12] we may not be right but that's our opinion [02:18:28] All I wanted were some help pages, but apparently this is a lot more work than I was anticipating. [02:18:29] at what point do opinions become facts? [02:18:31] well see, i thought it would be like TWiki, where there's some docs. yes, some needed work, but it was there. i was surprised to see none except the main site, installed on the wiki. i just found it disconcerting at first, and then odd. [02:18:45] shipping with help pages is something you'd do in a package, and IIRC packages are usually annoying to people trying to get help here later [02:18:58] well i tell you what i just may do [02:19:04] brb [02:19:28] is export a set of help pages -- good, bad, ugly, don't care -- and just upload the whole archive somewhere [02:19:38] so anybody can do a one-click import of them all [02:19:43] the software itself, works like a charm, whcih i always appreciate. but this lack of docs - and they're not that lacking, just not locally installed - can be potentially upsetting to very very newbie people [02:20:00] that's my point, basically. [02:20:01] simor ++ [02:20:17] i bought a dvd player and it came with a book [02:20:18] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 [02:20:26] the book seems to have been written for another player [02:20:32] but it's better than no book [02:20:38] Splarka: yes, you have good points. i think what's needed is some sort of balance [02:20:43] It seems to me that it's not just the lack of docs, but the lack of links *in* the docs to pages with actual information on them. [02:20:48] DVD Player is not internet software [02:20:53] it's better than i sit down with the player and push buttons all day, and write down in a blank notebook what happens [02:21:13] A never equals B, that's not the point, is it? [02:21:28] oh well, I'm seeing this is going to be more work than I need for the little wiki I'm envisioning, so I think I'm going to try something simpler. Thanks for your help. [02:21:42] waltman: check back later [02:21:50] waltman: that's a seed of an idea; have some pages where people can find more info. [02:21:51] ok [02:21:52] see if i ever get that archive up [02:22:20] and doesn't mean like 100 pages, i mean even something like 2,3,4,5 pages [02:22:24] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki might be a good place to talk about help files and templates and suchlike [02:22:24] i'm on maybe my 6th MW install and none of them have abundant help, it's driving me nuts [02:22:53] ImageMagik or InkScape? [02:23:00] Which do you choose? [02:23:03] *waltman shrugs [02:23:06] i ended up copying pages from mw.org via Special:Export [02:23:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words <-- here is a typical help page for a typical common thing that needs to be looked up [02:23:21] some from Manual: and some from Help: [02:23:25] it implores you not to edit it as it is periodically synched from meta.wikimedia's master copy [02:23:49] and it is very often edited, I recently added 3 that were overlooked (one of which for several years) [02:23:59] wow [02:24:03] some get removed as they are removed from the software [02:24:10] and some drastically change behavior [02:24:42] now, they could probably easily ship this as a default help page with all new installs... well, rather not "ship", but make it as a default help page created on installation [02:24:56] even that would help, IMO [02:24:57] but with the state the help pages and other documentation are in, this seems to me at least, a bad idea [02:25:19] the Main_Page stuff isn't enough for a very newbie person [02:25:20] because it would become outdated, and may not upgrade if the user upgrades (upgrade merging for existing pages is a bit hit and miss) [02:25:26] 03ashley * r37633 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/ (UserProfile.i18n.php UserProfilePage.php): Let's not hardcode strings. And let's use proper Doxygen comments. ;-) [02:25:50] and even new information for the version you may have installed, will not get into that help, while it will in meta [02:26:22] (and another thing, that I don't really agree with, but is an important policy on Wikimedia, is to avoid duplication) [02:26:36] ((so the anti-duplicationists probably have some influence here)) [02:27:40] 03shinjiman * r37634 10/trunk/extensions/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages [02:27:41] right now, the help is so fragmented between meta and mediawiki (and duplciated, outdated, and wrong on those two), that it is very hard to find something even now [02:28:22] here's my last comment on the issue; i'm going to the movies [02:28:26] i failed to do laundry [02:28:31] and i need a pair of socks [02:28:38] it is. i just stick to Manual: and Help: and oftenb i find things from a web search [02:28:41] so i went rooting through the dirty laundry [02:28:43] Splarka: ^^ [02:28:43] anyway, I added {{PAGESIZE}} (1.13), {{filepath}} (1.12?), and {{#special}} (1.8 maybe) ~2 months ago to that page [02:28:51] looking for a pair that is not too dirty to wear [02:29:08] surely, if i had clean socks, i would wear them [02:29:18] O_o {{#special}} ? [02:29:19] but i would rather wear dirty socks than not go to the movies at all [02:29:24] that is a strange analogy, Xiong [02:29:36] heh, see, Dantman didn't even know #special [02:29:38] ^_^ I prefer to keep my socks inside my shoes [02:29:48] "Local name of canonical Special: page." [02:29:53] and having decided to wear dirty socks, i can still choose less dirty socks -- i don't have to take the nasty pair i wore all day [02:30:06] i can pick a pair i only wore a little, a week ago [02:30:14] and is only some dirty [02:30:17] Dantman: did you know it's been there for 20 months? http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=17321 [02:30:27] and those dirty socks will be better for the walk from here to the theater than no socks at all [02:30:48] I have a counter-analogy [02:31:10] I have slightly dirty socks in my shoes, as dan said, and several clean pairs in a drawer above them [02:31:14] what if you don't wear socks? ;) [02:31:17] I'll use the dirty ones because I am lazy [02:31:22] rather than open the drawer to get clean ones [02:31:35] but I won't complain that they didn't fall into my shoes automatically [02:32:08] simonrvn: heh, no socks with flip flops [02:32:12] "ohnoz, my socks fell off the drawer and landed straight into my shoes" [02:32:17] hehe [02:32:27] bah, too hot here for socks anyways [02:33:34] anyway, some docs is nice to have ;). best thing would be links to find more info, what sort of thing to expect from such and such, and overall behaviour. that way, you don't have to write the docs in a specific way. [02:33:55] and redirect to mw.org and meta for the rest [02:34:05] Didn't the default main page have a link to the help? [02:34:54] yeh, but it was rather confusing, in an user interface sort of way, to me anyway. [02:35:19] coupla links in /languages/messages/MessagesEn.php [02:35:33] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12306 [02:35:48] this idea has been tossed around sometimes [02:36:07] *simonrvn pastes in browser [02:36:09] a sort of instant-commons for meta/mediawiki.org help [02:38:18] hmm, that would be practical, but security issues come to mind; i was thinking of an sql dump people can load, or something of that sort. nonetheless, that's an interesting idea [02:39:12] "I think the latter is easier and I believe this is what the PD Help on [02:39:12] Mediawiki.org aims to do. [02:39:21] oops, meant that as one line [02:39:28] that's my understanding too [02:55:08] 03(mod) ifexist function creating wantedpages noise - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12019 (10sacolcor) [03:15:35] "On the field, from Rockford/Loves Park, Illinois, performing their 2002 show 'Heroic Sketches: the Passion of Shostakovich', Drum Corps International is proud to present...PHANTOM REGIMENT!" [03:56:07] 03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 +comment (10codemonk) [04:34:25] hi. who should I inform (just to be polite) before crawling wikipedia? http://opencog.org/wiki/RelEx_Web_Crawler - limited to far less than 1/page/sec given the computational overhead of NL parsing. [04:34:46] dhart: dont crawl [04:34:50] somehow i don't think 1 page/sec is going to be noticed [04:35:00] use a database dump [04:36:29] yeah, that's my guess to. the project *may* become popular, resulting in many people running the crawler, although ideally we'd adopt centralized rate limited for this distributed crawler [04:36:53] Betacommand: normally I would agree, but the project has been setup as a crawler, with the intention of moving beyond Wikipedia after it's used as a 'proof of concept' [04:37:22] a better summary of the overall goal is at the first paragraph on http://opencog.org/wiki/RelEx_compact_output [04:44:30] dhart: you should really use a dump. [04:46:55] SQLDb: normally I would agree, but the project has been setup as a distributed crawler, with the intention of parsing works beyond Wikipedia. NL-parsing uses 1000x more CPU than crawling, so integrating a crawler into the parser is a natural choice for making client work units self-contained. [04:47:40] dhart: ahh, I see, I was thinking in a speed-of-retreival sense. I spose if you've got that long of a parse time, it doesen't matter :) [04:48:03] so in terms of cpu time it would be cheaper to employ someone to read the text [04:48:38] lol [04:53:22] well, some mechanical turk effort has gone into hand-coded rules for RelEx. :-) [04:54:02] (that's a joke really - the guy who coded the recent addition to the parsing rules is exceptionally bright!) [04:56:52] yeah, but human coding of extracted grammar would be slow and boring... I suppose someone could make an ESP / Google Image Labeler type game. [05:45:00] Hi All, Im having an issue getting misc. MP3 playing extentions to work, Its always the same problem. The wiki isnt loading the mp3 player at all EG: when i insert Sultans_Of_Swing.mp3 onto a page, all i get is Sultans_Of_Swing.mp3 [05:45:05] can anyone tell me why? [05:46:16] Dire Straits FTW ^_^ [05:46:34] lol [05:46:36] yes [05:46:40] but that dosnt help :P [05:47:15] Im running MW 1.13 alpha... [05:48:36] Splarka: Do you like Brothers in Arms? [05:49:06] indeedy [05:49:16] still can't beat the live "Telegraph Road" though [05:50:18] but "Private Investigations" is still the one I can relisten to the most [05:50:30] Personally I Like "Love over gold" and "so far away from me" [05:50:35] PI is good [05:51:31] the thing about them is, quite a lot of the songs are in unique genres, sort of like Queen [05:52:06] I mean, how can the same band be responsible for "Twistin' by the Pool" "My Parties" "So far Away" and "Money for Nothing" [05:52:27] lol [05:52:29] yeh [05:52:39] I think Mark Knopfler really made a difference to DS [05:54:05] Do you like ACDC? [05:59:06] not terribly, a few songs [05:59:16] dirty deeds, back in black [06:01:37] hancock half sucks [06:01:49] i think, the second half [06:02:07] i notice smith is one of the producers, too [06:02:15] probably accounts for the sucky half [06:05:20] Repeat:Hi All, Im having an issue getting misc. MP3 playing extentions to work, Its always the same problem. The wiki isnt loading the mp3 player at all EG: when i insert Sultans_Of_Swing.mp3 onto a page, all i get is Sultans_Of_Swing.mp3 [06:06:54] !no0b [06:06:54] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "no0b". [06:06:59] hehe [06:07:15] !sex [06:07:15] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "sex". [06:07:20] :) [06:07:31] things to do when ur bored [06:07:52] !mp3 [06:07:52] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "mp3". [06:15:52] tim, here? [06:22:38] prom, link? [06:28:14] Hi, is this an appropriate place to ask for help with a simple Template ? [06:29:27] i dunno if it is but i will help if i can [06:29:33] link me [06:30:02] i'm middling pretty good with templates [06:30:19] Ah, well it's internal, but it's an easy enough question. I'm trying to something like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Trac [06:30:45] by "internal", do you mean i can't access the target wiki? [06:30:53] but the URL I need to put the ticket number into isn't not nearly that pleasant (or RESTful) [06:31:01] Xiong: correct, sorry [06:31:57] *Xiong looks [06:32:40] the target URLs are https://www.companyname.com/accounting/accounts.php?action=viewTicket&&ticket[id]=xxxxxx& [06:33:02] and the subsitution seems to break, so I think I need to escape it. [06:33:37] hang on [06:33:50] I think it breaks on the square bracket before id [06:34:31] i don't see how urls or square brackets enter into this [06:34:40] oh wait [06:34:44] the smog clears [06:35:28] Heh. Sorry if I'm not explaining well :) [06:35:42] not your fault at all -- not yet, anyway [06:35:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Problem_with_wraping_URLs [06:36:13] if i understand you, you want a template to generate an external link [06:36:27] I believe so yes, a live web link. [06:37:37] is that correct? the target url must itself contain square brackets? [06:38:03] it looks that way. I really that guy (our lead web dev) somedays. [06:38:06] certainly they must be escaped if so; a right square bracket terminates the external link [06:38:25] (see the last URL for 3 options) [06:38:33] you left out a verb but i believe i can fill it in [06:38:41] Splarka: ah, yes, thanks! [06:38:58] Xiong: Love :D [06:39:25] you may be interested in a little tool i have built [06:39:45] http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Template%3AMarkups [06:39:56] it is a toolmaker's tool [06:40:48] Oh, that does look handy, thanks. [06:40:54] you also might consider a few workaround templates of this nature: [06:40:58] http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Template%3A%21 [06:41:09] Thank you both very much for the sanity check. [06:41:22] that one is in use on WP, for various tricky template calls [06:41:58] Innnnteresting. [06:42:06] if you're going to be doing tricky stuff, always consider escaping stuff [06:42:23] i know that's a very general bit of advice but it's a go-to [06:43:02] almost any content, anywhere, can be intercepted by some interpreter, at some stage [06:43:07] and it may not be when you want [06:46:40] Oh yes, I just wanted someone who actually knew this stuf to confirm that that was the trouble. [06:46:50] I've had lots of trouble grokking Templates. [06:46:54] Thanks again! [06:47:01] gotta go reboot one, bbf [06:51:48] good luck [07:09:22] 03mkroetzsch * r37635 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_Number.php SMW_GlobalFunctions.php): [07:09:22] Support French number formatting (spaces in numbers) and multi-character separators for thousands and for [07:09:22] decimals [08:22:58] hi!!! how can I set the time of validity of the authentication mail? [08:31:43] using the Inputbox extension, I use the namespaces=Foo parameter - but it doesn't actually search that namespace [08:43:38] are there any statistics about which standard skins are most common used? [08:50:59] 03(mod) Undo on multiple revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14809 (10seb.beyou) [08:51:16] sometimes the devs run stats on preferences, monobook beats all the rest by several orders of magnitude [08:54:08] Papertiger: http://p.defau.lt/?p_g6fcQT_pasRXPeCW2F7g a roughish guide [08:55:30] thx thats what i was looking for to get 'n impression :) [09:06:33] 03(mod) A hook to enable putting options to the preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14806 (10bartek) [09:07:29] how can i change the time in which the code in the confirmation mail expired? [09:09:02] hi there [09:09:42] I'm wondering if there's a way of changing the language for certain elements in media wiki [09:10:29] 03rotem * r37636 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialProtectedpages.php: Add spacing in Special:Protectedpages. [09:10:59] I have a mutlilingual site and want the menu (inside