[00:01:12] <Dodde>	In search results on Wikipedia we want to check existance on Wiktionary too, and we found it could be done with a .js-script using Query API, but it says it's obsolete and that MediaWiki API hasn't got these options included... anyone who knows another solution that might work to achieve the same goal?
[00:21:41] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37673 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/languages.inc: Hit getNonXHTMLMessages for <br> and <hr> too.
[00:26:10] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37674 10/trunk/extensions/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki
[00:35:44] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37675 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (47 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-07-15 02:26 CEST)
[00:44:46] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37676 10/trunk/extensions/ (78 files in 67 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-15 02:26 CEST)
[01:05:04] <rogue780_>	I just installed media wiki but I can't figure out how to administer it as a sysop or whatnot
[01:07:24] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rogue780_: What are you trying to do?
[01:07:27] <rjbs>	Hello!  I'm trying to port the content from a 1.6 mediawiki to a fresh install of 1.7 elsewhere.
[01:07:41] <rjbs>	Is it safe to dump and restore the db from one to the other, or will I get bitten by schema changes?
[01:07:47] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rjbs: Use Special:Export
[01:07:54] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Schema changes: check
[01:08:07] <rjbs>	Thanks.
[01:08:09] <Fazuul>	I want to create a setup where a user, upon signing up, only has rights to edit their own user page until given special permissions. Is that possible? 
[01:08:27] <rogue780_>	YurtleTheTurtle, I need to know how to block users and such and also if there is a way to manage user permissions
[01:08:38] <rjbs>	Hm.  I need to enter all the names?  
[01:08:41] <Dantman>	rjbs: Database dump will work fine... just remember to use update.php
[01:08:44] <rjbs>	Blech.
[01:08:47] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Fazuul: Not that I know of. you can make it so they can't edit anything till you tell them its okay.
[01:09:13] <rjbs>	Dantman: I don't see an update.php lying about.
[01:09:14] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rogue780_: Log-in using your sysops. Go to Special Pages. then look at the bottom.
[01:09:25] <Fazuul>	Yeah, I figured that, but I was hoping to make it something that didn't require that kind micromanagement if I were to have a large number of people signing up.  
[01:09:28] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rjbs: Its in the maintinance directory and needs to be run via shell
[01:09:48] <Dantman>	Fazuul: An extension
[01:09:51] <YurtleTheTurtle>	Fazuul: Check the extension matrix for something.
[01:09:51] <rjbs>	OK.  I suppose it didn't get installed by Debain.
[01:10:07] <rogue780_>	YurtleTheTurtle, is it possible to make it so users can't create new pages?
[01:10:17] <Fazuul>	Alrighty. 
[01:10:37] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rogue780_: Hmmm I'd have to check, anyone else?
[01:10:44] <Dantman>	!e KeepYourHandsToYourself | Fazuul
[01:10:44] --mwbot--	Fazuul: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself
[01:11:31] <Dantman>	rjbs: You really shouldn't be using the Debian package, most of the real knowledgeable people here don't bother supporting anyone with bugs caused by the package
[01:11:49] <rjbs>	Sigh.
[01:11:51] <rjbs>	Great.
[01:11:51] <Dantman>	rjbs: But it will be part of the software itself, and you were updating anyways
[01:12:04] <rjbs>	I'm not really updating.  I'm moving off of one server and to another.
[01:12:07] <Dantman>	Oh wait wrong extension
[01:12:19] <Dantman>	!e EditOnlyYourOwnPage | Fazuul
[01:12:19] --mwbot--	Fazuul: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditOnlyYourOwnPage
[01:12:28] <rjbs>	I found it!
[01:12:28] <rjbs>	/usr/share/mediawiki1.7/maintenance/update.php
[01:12:35] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rogue780_: Yes you can block them with the permission 'createpage'  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[01:12:40] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rjbs: Thats it.
[01:12:45] <Dantman>	rjbs: Well you said you were moving from a 1.6 to a 1.7 so technically you're updating anyways
[01:13:02] <Fazuul>	That last one looks pretty much like what I want, thanks Dantman. 
[01:18:42] <rjbs>	Thanks!  Great.
[01:18:47] <rjbs>	wiki moved, now to move svn.
[01:24:39] <rogue780_>	how do I add users to the sysop group?
[01:25:04] <YurtleTheTurtle>	rogue780_: You need to go to User rights managment and make them a sysop
[01:25:05] <Simetrical>	!userrights | rogue780_ 
[01:25:05] --mwbot--	rogue780_: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[01:25:09] <Simetrical>	Dang.
[01:25:20] <Simetrical>	That one talks about changing the permissions, not assigning them.
[01:25:25] <YurtleTheTurtle>	heh
[01:25:28] <Simetrical>	rogue780_, go to Special:UserRights.
[01:25:33] <rogue780_>	got it thanks
[01:25:55] <YurtleTheTurtle>	I tried to remember that bot's commands but got tired of it
[02:03:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Timed out forms now result in errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14820 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (tim)
[02:31:59] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r37677 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Function was renamed (bug 14820)
[02:32:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Timed out forms now result in errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14820  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:56:19] <r1se>	hello everybody!
[02:57:32] <r1se>	i've just installed my first copy of mediawiki, but if i go to the main adress it will appear blank, unless I type /index.php5 , how do i fix this?
[03:05:51] <r1se>	doesnt matter, already fixed!
[03:13:59] <iandouglas>	hey all, anyone have a tool that exports mediawiki content for offline use?
[03:14:20] <iandouglas>	don't want to write a spider to crawl our wiki site if someone's already built such a thing
[03:15:41] <Splarka>	seen http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML ?
[03:17:19] <iandouglas>	awesome, thanks!
[03:27:18] <r1se>	is there a way to see which users are administrators and which are normal users or something like that?
[03:27:42] <Krimpet>	r1se: Special:ListUsers
[03:27:43] <Splarka>	Special:Listusers has a dropdown for groups
[03:28:11] <Splarka>	also [[Special:ListUsers/sysop]] will show sysops
[03:28:49] <r1se>	nice
[03:29:18] <r1se>	its the first time im using this :) so im adventuring into the wiki world
[03:29:38] <r1se>	a friend of mine wanted to make something like wikilaw but in spanish :D
[03:30:05] <r1se>	is there an administration panel for changing wich users are sysops etc?
[03:30:14] <Splarka>	Special:Userrights
[03:30:41] <r1se>	awesome! 
[03:30:42] <r1se>	thanks
[03:31:19] <r1se>	i notice that even though im using my wiki in spanish, i can mix Especial:Userrights 
[03:31:28] <r1se>	instead of Special:Userrights
[03:31:47] <r1se>	i guess all of this is somewhere on the documentation rigt?
[03:32:35] <Splarka>	that is from the Special: pages and Namespaces being localized to the content language
[03:33:19] <r1se>	oh, you're right hehe missed that
[03:33:56] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[03:34:31] <Splarka>	for example in french, the talk namespace is Discuter, but Special is still Special
[03:34:53] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEs.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain   but in spanish it is 'Especial'
[03:34:56] <Splarka>	heh
[03:35:25] <r1se>	hehe im getting it !
[03:35:56] <r1se>	now, if i wanted to upload a picture, i just go to my ftp, and upload it to images, and then change the logo as specified on the documentation?
[03:37:20] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLogo
[03:37:48] <Splarka>	you should probably, if FTPing it, upload it somewhere in /skins
[03:38:08] <Smaug>	also
[03:38:09] <Splarka>	like /skins/common/images/
[03:38:11] <Smaug>	!uploads
[03:38:11] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[03:39:17] <r1se>	awesome, thanks a lot again! I guess this is enough to play around with the wiki and get a hang out of it :)
[03:42:22] <CIA-54>	03leogregianin * r37678 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPt_br.php: 99.95% translated
[04:16:49] <Xiong>	off topic question, sorry
[04:17:12] <Xiong>	but if i knew the proper question, i'd have the answer
[04:17:21] <Xiong>	in CSS, there is a way to control overset text
[04:17:52] <Xiong>	normally, there can be no overset because the enclosing box expands to accomodate any amount of text
[04:18:12] <Xiong>	but it is possible to fix the size of the enclosing element, in which case overset is a possibility
[04:18:25] <Xiong>	what is the name for that? it's not overset, not in CSS
[04:18:33] <Xiong>	throw me a bone pls
[04:18:39] <TimStarling>	if you use absolute or relative positioning, the boxes can be overlaid
[04:19:01] <TimStarling>	position: relative, look up the property
[04:19:16] <Xiong>	i don't think that actually dictates the overset itself
[04:19:16] <Splarka>	maybe he means 'overflow'
[04:19:24] <Xiong>	overset being a typesetting term
[04:19:42] <Xiong>	you see in a magazine, the overset usually goes to a jump
[04:19:50] <Splarka>	or, perhaps you mean negative padding
[04:20:15] <Xiong>	ha!
[04:20:19] <Xiong>	tim, you were right
[04:20:48] <Xiong>	sort of
[04:20:54] <Xiong>	and splarka, you were right too
[04:20:56] <Xiong>	http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_pos_overflow_hidden
[04:21:10] <Xiong>	which is menued under "positioning"
[04:21:19] <Xiong>	but the property is "overflow:"
[04:22:05] <Xiong>	visible, hidden, scroll, auto
[04:22:19] <Splarka>	also see line-height
[04:22:36] <Xiong>	well there's a lot of ways to monkey with text and i know most of them
[04:22:53] <Xiong>	but i have never, iirc, tried to control overset on a web page
[04:22:58] <Xiong>	it's generally a Bad Idea
[04:23:36] <Splarka>	<div style="line-height:30pt;font-size:30pt;">foo<br/>bar</div>
[04:23:36] <Splarka>	<div style="line-height:10pt;font-size:30pt;">foo<br/>bar</div>
[04:23:38] <Splarka>	(compare)
[04:24:14] <Xiong>	i'm really only interested in overset today, thanks
[04:24:37] <Xiong>	and whatever that other thing is that i rarely use, text-after or sth
[04:24:38] <Splarka>	note it won't work well in certain browsers
[04:25:00] <Splarka>	.foo:after {content:"bar"}
[04:25:29] <Xiong>	i cannot find, for the life of me, my o'reilly book
[04:25:35] <Xiong>	driving me nuts
[04:25:59] <Xiong>	that book has sat atop my tower for years, never more than an arms' length away from the kbd
[04:27:38] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Click/doc&oldid=180675856#Notes  <-- Template:Click used to use that overlay trick before Tim merged #tag to core allowing <imagemap> to take parameters
[04:27:47] <Xiong>	after doesn't work in IE -- so what?
[04:28:09] <Splarka>	I meant positioning
[04:28:16] <Xiong>	i want a CSS tag that causes any page viewed in IE to turn into pulsating black and orange
[04:28:26] <Splarka>	heh
[04:28:40] <Splarka>	easy enough
[04:28:50] <Xiong>	don't get me started
[04:29:05] <Xiong>	m..m
[04:29:28] <Xiong>	"SECURITY BREACH SECURITY BREACH UPGRADE TO FIREFOX IMMEDIATELY"
[04:29:59] <Xiong>	... and since it's IE, can be <marquee> and <blink>, i believe
[04:30:09] <Splarka>	<!--[if IE]><style type="text/css"> body * {display:none;} body {background: url(orangeblackflash.gif) top left repeat;} </style><![endif]-->
[04:32:06] <Xiong>	would it be more annoying if it were an inverting checkerboard?
[04:33:11] <Xiong>	you know, you could just tone that down a bit, into a banner...
[04:33:21] <Xiong>	don't actually hide the whole page...
[04:33:34] <Xiong>	make the banner a link to FF dl...
[04:33:47] <Xiong>	might even be a public service
[04:34:09] <Xiong>	you'd step on a cockroach eating your food, wouldn't you?
[04:35:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801  (10N/A)
[05:01:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:PrefixIndex/AllPages paging links contain invalid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13949  (10a 
[05:01:18] <wikibugs>	   
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[05:01:18] <wikibugs>	    title="Special:PrefixIndex">
[05:01:19] <wikibugs>	       Next page
[05:01:21] <wikibugs>	(WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment/Tag_&_Assess_2008/124)
[05:01:23] <wikibugs>	</a>
[05:01:27] <wikibugs>	Attempting to parse this causes my parser to complain as follows: "The
[05:01:29] <wikibugs>	reference to entity "_Assess_2008" must end with the ';' delimiter."
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[06:06:55] <Dantman>	wtf... something looks screwy with SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi's code
[06:27:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805  (10N/A)
[06:33:54] <node100101>	hi i need help finding it difficult to change the image when i do change the image it appears blank followed steps at the tutorial @ metawiki
[06:47:16] <Dantman>	Bleh... our support for extension .css files is shitty
[06:47:47] <Splarka>	the extensions seem to prefer to insert them directly into the page
[06:47:52] <Splarka>	{{sofixit}}
[06:48:18] <Splarka>	geshi, categorytree, yucky
[06:48:32] <Dantman>	GeSHi looks screwed up
[06:48:51] <Dantman>	At first glance, it looks like it's inserting the content into the name parameter
[06:49:55] <Dantman>	Special:ExtensionCSS?
[06:54:04] <Dantman>	O_O MediaWiki still does skin and output work even when it knows it's inside the cli... man that's ugly
[07:06:46] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: Is new-window-opening code always evil?
[07:07:13] <Splarka>	yes*
[07:07:17] <Splarka>	*not always
[07:07:47] <MZMcBride>	Someone pointed out on VP/T that "what's this?" doesn't open in a new window. And I agree that that is rather annoying.
[07:07:54] <Splarka>	in some countries it is a legal requirement (which is asinine, but better than being charged with hosting kiddy porn because someone posted a spam link to some in a blog comment on your site)
[07:08:27] <MZMcBride>	What are downsides to doing it?
[07:08:29] <Splarka>	and it isn't really "new-window-opening" code per-se, it is frame targeting code abused for new windows
[07:08:50] <Splarka>	that it sucks, and that only rather new browsers can override the new windows to new tabs instead
[07:09:12] <Splarka>	the only place it is used in mediawiki, that I know of, is in previewing new skins in preferences
[07:09:22] <Splarka>	and even there I think it is evil
[07:09:51] <MZMcBride>	It's more evil to have links that take people to a different place while they're editing.
[07:10:01] <MZMcBride>	As sometimes they lose their work.
[07:10:38] <Splarka>	if they don't know how to "open in new tab" or "open in new window"...
[07:10:54] <MZMcBride>	It's the accidental clicks that get ya.
[07:10:57] <Splarka>	well, I personally don't want them editing on *my* wiki (if i had one) ^_^
[07:11:10] <Splarka>	put the mouse down, type with both hands
[07:11:32] <MZMcBride>	Yes, but when you go to click "Show preview", sometimes you miss.
[07:11:38] <Splarka>	...
[07:11:53] <MZMcBride>	Not everybody has perfect aim!
[07:12:20] <Splarka>	I can see you are convinced of your POV, no point in arguing with you. I can only say: target=_new and target=_blank are so evil that they are very hard to even do in mediawiki, the end.
[07:12:27] <Splarka>	</eoc>
[07:13:21] <MZMcBride>	K.
[07:13:30] <MZMcBride>	That's all I was wondering about.
[07:13:51] <Dantman>	I thought we used it also for the editing help page
[07:14:13] <MZMcBride>	Heh. We do.
[07:14:40] <flyingparchment>	MW already forces a new window for 'preview' on preferences
[07:14:44] <Splarka>	body.mediawiki #editpage-copywarn p { display: none !important; }
[07:14:49] <Splarka>	(probably why I never see it then)
[07:14:50] <flyingparchment>	in a very limited number of cases (and i think that's one of them) it does make sense
[07:15:09] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: skin preview?
[07:15:14] <flyingparchment>	the problem is people like to abuse it for reasons not intended to enhance the UI, like 'making sure people stay on my site'
[07:15:15] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: yes
[07:15:25] <Splarka>	<Splarka> the only place it is used in mediawiki, that I know of, is in previewing new skins in preferences
[07:15:30] <Splarka>	already mench'd
[07:15:48] <MZMcBride>	Who's a mensch?
[07:15:50] <Splarka>	I have this in my userContent.css :
[07:15:51] <Splarka>	a[target ="_blank"], a[target="_new"]  {border:1px dashed #ff00ff !important}
[07:16:05] <Splarka>	and when I see such evil pieces of shit, I drag/drop them into the current tab
[07:16:06] <Dantman>	I'm thinking of adding a hook into getUserStylesheet so that extensions could append to the generated CSS... Anyone got suggestions for the hook name?
[07:16:28] <Splarka>	Dan: what about <link> and <script> and <meta> ?
[07:16:39] <Splarka>	in fact, isn't there a tag to stick stuff in <head> like that, already?
[07:16:57] <Dantman>	I mean into &gen=css
[07:17:08] <Splarka>	mmm, bad idea, that is the user's prefs
[07:17:33] <Splarka>	which seems kinda silly, why is gen=js the site JS, and gen=css the user prefs
[07:17:54] <Splarka>	you'd think a few dozen people who don't speak the same language or even know each other, wrote this software
[07:18:34] <Dantman>	Splarka: Carefull of the ones that use JS to open windows...  Those are the most evil... Technically they are the XHTML correct way to do it... However they're evil... if you want to open in a new tab, if they code it correct you'll get two windows, if they code it bad, you get a window and a blank page
[07:19:09] <Splarka>	Dan: actually, that happens if you try to "open in new tab" one for a new window
[07:19:11] <Dantman>	I hate it when I hold ctrl down and click a link to open a new tab, and it has embedded code to open in a new window
[07:19:20] <Splarka>	if you drag-drop to the new tab, you usually just get the new window, or nothing
[07:19:38] <Splarka>	also, unless they're really clever, the href is a giveaway, as # or void
[07:19:52] <Dantman>	^_^ The latter is more common because there are to many idots around who do it wrong
[07:20:11] <Splarka>	instead of ctrl-click, try the habit of dragging the link to the current tab, or a new tab
[07:20:15] <Dantman>	Though... I really hate it when they go and put the JS inside the href
[07:20:16] <Splarka>	usually not as failurey
[07:20:29] <Splarka>	(dragging doesn't activate onclick, IIRC)
[07:20:34] <Dantman>	I like ctrl because it lets me open tabs in sucession
[07:20:40] <Splarka>	I like JS in href!
[07:20:48] <Splarka>	because you can see it on mouse over
[07:20:51] <Splarka>	better than onclick anyway
[07:20:52] <Dantman>	That's the most common reason I open in new tab
[07:21:02] <Splarka>	well, sure, I like ctrl too
[07:21:08] <Splarka>	but on a strange website, I drag all links
[07:21:15] <Dantman>	heh
[07:21:30] <Dantman>	^_^ I'm to lazy to fight with the ui
[07:21:53] <Splarka>	bah
[07:21:55] <Splarka>	too!
[07:22:05] <Splarka>	but that does give me an idea
[07:22:20] <Dantman>	As for those script/style adding functions
[07:22:46] <Dantman>	They're all crap... Only the script stuff is half good, the style ones are reall bad
[07:23:07] <Splarka>	anyway, all <a> generated by JS should have the href="" as JS, since there is no need for non-JS fallback 
[07:23:33] <Splarka>	a[onclick] {border:1px dashed #ff0000 !important}
[07:23:46] <Splarka>	mmm, paranoia
[07:23:51] <Dantman>	heh
[07:24:12] <Dantman>	You may also want to do it for [href^=javascript]
[07:24:40] <Splarka>	nah, I can see that in the.. whatchamacallit now, status bar at the bottom 
[07:27:14] <Dantman>	Splarka: http://dev.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Main_Page What do you think so far on my new SiteNoticeDismiss extension... The old one has been bothering me for ages so I'm making a better one...
[07:27:24] <Dantman>	Of course, I haven't gotten into the JS or CSS yet
[07:33:14] <Dantman>	Hmm... splarka, what do you think about hooking into skin::getUserStylesheet and appending @include's and storing the css inside of messages
[07:33:50] <Splarka>	I think Tim said the message cache was too full of stuff that doesn't need to be cached alrady
[07:33:52] <Splarka>	already
[07:34:16] <Splarka>	hmmm, Dan: your main problem is, you're appearing to put uncovered text at the top of the document
[07:34:29] <Dantman>	Hmmm?
[07:34:43] <Splarka>	(dismissable sitenotices were developed to not pollute google search results with the sitenotice as the page summary)
[07:35:45] <Dantman>	bleh, I'm doing this for the large portion of people who use it more for the interface convenience...
[07:36:01] <Dantman>	Besides, doing that means that things get screwed up when JS isn't enabled
[07:36:13] *Splarka 	shrugs
[07:36:15] <Splarka>	just sayin
[07:36:28] <Splarka>	a google for site:yoursite.com will show just the sitenotice as summaries
[07:36:44] <Splarka>	and if you replace the dismissable sitenotice in svn with yours, it will be reverted, for that reason
[07:37:03] <Dantman>	Never planned to replace that one
[07:37:09] <Dantman>	I've got it in my own SVN
[07:37:32] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37679 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Update extension description
[07:38:06] <Splarka>	ak
[07:38:36] <davidmccabe>	What exactly comes out of replaceInternalLinks(), anyways?
[07:38:46] <davidmccabe>	It looks like you sometimes get links, sometimes placeholders.
[07:39:00] <Dantman>	I'm doing this because of how annoying it is to see my sitenotices on the Narutopedia completely screwed up by the crappy way that extension adds markup to the page and how important notices don't show for anyone without JS
[07:42:02] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:51:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805  (10codemonk)
[07:59:38] <Dantman>	I think I actually will hook into getUserStylesheet and clean it up
[08:01:45] <rindolf>	Hi all.
[08:02:13] <rindolf>	How do I deal with this wiki spam? http://www.hackers.org.il/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges
[08:02:20] <rindolf>	Maybe I should instate a textual captcha.
[08:03:11] <rindolf>	How can I tell the IP address that the user used to post?
[08:05:40] <Duesentrieb>	!spam | rindolf
[08:05:40] --mwbot--	rindolf: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features>.
[08:05:50] <Duesentrieb>	!checkuser | rindolf
[08:05:50] --mwbot--	rindolf: CheckUser is an extension that allows privelaged users to see what IPs a user edited from or what users edited from an IP. For more information see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser >
[08:06:07] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: thanks.
[08:06:11] <Duesentrieb>	rindolf: checkuser doesn't work retroactively though. only for edits made after it was installed
[08:06:14] <rindolf>	I already have some spam mechanisms in place.
[08:06:21] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: OK.
[08:07:01] <Duesentrieb>	rindolf: ConfirmEdit is configured per default to only trigger a captcha when a user tries to add a new url. and it can be configured to not require a captcha of espablished users
[08:07:42] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: well, I'm not getting any new URLs.
[08:08:35] <rindolf>	Only a strange message at the top and messing up the UTF-8 characters.
[08:08:50] <Dantman>	Hmm, what do you guys think of 'SkinStylesheetImports' for the hook name? I'm not that great at picking... Brion's opinion on a good name is never clear to me
[08:09:34] <Duesentrieb>	rindolf: so... it's not really spam...
[08:09:42] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: it is spam.
[08:09:54] <rindolf>	Duesentrieb: well, it's vandalism, at least.
[08:09:58] <rindolf>	On many pages.
[08:10:01] <Werdna>	rindolf: I use reCAPTCHA
[08:10:13] <rindolf>	Werdna: isn't it an image captcha?
[08:10:13] <Werdna>	it dropped linkspam from 20-odd edits once every few weeks to zero.
[08:10:19] <Werdna>	Or you can use abuse filter
[08:10:50] <rindolf>	Werdna: spam was under control until a few days ago.
[08:11:02] <rindolf>	When this F@#@#@! spam bot came.
[08:11:24] <Werdna>	I control spam on my wiki using reCAPTCHA
[08:11:25] <Werdna>	works a treat
[08:11:49] <Dantman>	^_^ I like ConfirmEdit... I've got a regex in place so that page blankers get captchas... heh
[08:14:48] <Werdna>	Dantman: Use AbuseFilter
[08:14:50] <Werdna>	:)
[08:20:07] <Forrester>	hey....i got a question
[08:20:17] <balasyum>	don't ask to ask
[08:20:31] <Forrester>	is the job queue work done 	alphabetically
[08:20:33] <Forrester>	?
[08:21:00] <balasyum>	I don't know but it would be logical chronologically
[08:21:24] <Nikerabbit>	it's a filo I think
[08:21:32] <Forrester>	filo?
[08:21:38] <balasyum>	first in last out
[08:21:41] <Nikerabbit>	eh
[08:21:43] <balasyum>	so chronological
[08:21:44] <Nikerabbit>	fifo
[08:21:50] <balasyum>	first in first out :D
[08:22:04] <Forrester>	i do not think so
[08:22:05] <balasyum>	filo is reverse chronological
[08:22:10] <Nikerabbit>	ak queue, not a stack :D
[08:22:12] <Splarka>	http://leuksman.com/log/2008/04/22/so-whats-in-the-job-queue-anyway/
[08:22:45] <Dantman>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/JobQueue.php?revision=35098&view=markup
[08:23:24] <Splarka>	(if it was alphabetical, there probably wouldn't be dupes)
[08:23:35] <Forrester>	so it is first in first out
[08:23:40] <Dantman>	the que deletes dupes
[08:23:51] <Splarka>	-> the dupes are removed as the first one in the stack gets run
[08:24:00] <Dantman>	^_^ Unguaranteed chronological... no sorting at all... likely fifo, however ;) last time I checked some db's weren't guaranteed on that
[08:24:12] <Splarka>	Dan: if it was alphabetical, the dupes probably wouldn't be *added*
[08:24:20] <Dantman>	mhmm
[08:24:37] <Forrester>	so but i do not understand this (this is my problem):
[08:24:46] <Dantman>	^_^ Adding a few UNIQUE indexes in there probably won't help the efficiency.... heh
[08:25:14] <Forrester>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Wikipedia:Datei%C3%BCberpr%C3%BCfung_(2008-06-29) <<<<< you see in which cat it is?
[08:25:24] <Forrester>	it's in "Kategorie: Wikipedia:Datei??berpr??fung (Tageskategorien, aktuell)"
[08:25:44] <Forrester>	but it is not listed at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Wikipedia:Datei%C3%BCberpr%C3%BCfung_(Tageskategorien%2C_aktuell)
[08:26:00] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: ping
[08:26:02] <Forrester>	i know a nulledit solves it....
[08:26:30] <Forrester>	but i do not understand why it's not listed there since it should be 4 days ago
[08:26:37] <Forrester>	and L??nge der ???Job queue???: 652. 
[08:26:41] <Forrester>	it was at 32
[08:26:42] <Werdna>	Anybody know why this revert was done? http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php?r1=36692&r2=36885
[08:26:46] <Werdna>	I don't see the fatal error
[08:26:58] <Forrester>	Splarka: / Dantman got any idea?
[08:27:54] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Default namespace aliases for ce projects (edit toolbar)(?) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11008  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:28:08] <Splarka>	Forrester: the job queue can miss things, but usually not simple templates/categories, unless there are template/category redirects involved
[08:28:11] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: blind?
[08:28:16] <Dantman>	heh, code slush
[08:28:32] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: Wait, is $editor defined?
[08:28:37] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[08:28:50] <Werdna>	ah, that'll be it.
[08:29:06] <Werdna>	I think that's a copypasta error.
[08:29:21] <Werdna>	no wonder I couldn't find that method when I wanted to use it.
[08:29:22] <Forrester>	Splarka: well it is categorised with an template
[08:29:30] <Dantman>	What do you guys think so far of this? http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/da9e03d0
[08:29:30] <Forrester>	Splarka: could this be the reason?
[08:30:00] <Splarka>	is the template called a redirect to the template with the category?
[08:30:14] <Splarka>	if not, just wait for your job queue to cycle (or go and give it a kick in the pants)
[08:30:45] <Forrester>	errr
[08:30:49] <Forrester>	you see it's
[08:31:01] <Forrester>	{{Datei??berpr??fung (Abarbeitungsstatus)
[08:31:03] <Forrester>	|Kategoriebezeichnung=2008-06-26
[08:31:05] <Forrester>	}}
[08:32:36] <Forrester>	Splarka: and in that template the important lines are: http://rafb.net/p/lSrQMl31.html
[08:32:45] <Forrester>	do you mean this?
[08:32:49] <Dantman>	:/ I hate my machine... very bad for local testing
[08:33:47] <Splarka>	Forrester: ew, odd things to do to a category
[08:33:48] <Werdna>	What's that super-sekrit command for undoing a change in your working copy
[08:33:52] <Werdna>	svn merge -c [rev]
[08:34:00] <Werdna>	but there's something else i'm missing
[08:34:03] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:34:10] <Forrester>	Splarka: lol yeah....
[08:34:14] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3APigement-per%C5%82owy-wielobarwny2.svg&diff=61545&oldid=61330
[08:34:18] <Splarka>	any idea why there is no diff showing here?
[08:34:25] *Splarka 	prods Werdnay
[08:34:41] <Werdna>	ah, I put a minus sign in front of the arg
[08:34:44] <Werdna>	Splarka: What?
[08:35:38] <Splarka>	not sure but someone may have found a way to null edit with a created revision, like __END__
[08:37:33] <Splarka>	hmmm, odder: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=61330|61545
[08:37:41] <Splarka>	the two revisions are different, but no diff is showing for them
[08:37:44] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: Is reverting that okay if I change $editor to $this.
[08:39:52] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: as long as it works I don't care
[08:40:57] *Werdna 	ponders how to test.
[08:43:53] <CIA-54>	03werdna * r37680 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Reintroduce some changes which were reverted for causing fatal errors.
[08:46:29] <CIA-54>	03werdna * r37681 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilter.hooks.php): Include size delta in vars for editing
[08:54:28] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r37682 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Avoid conflicting function names.
[08:57:56] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r37683 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Update for he.
[08:59:36] <node100101>	hi i need help finding it difficult to change the image when i do change the image it appears blank followed steps at the tutorial @ metawiki
[09:30:16] <node100101>	hi i need help finding it difficult to change the image when i do change the image it appears blank followed steps at the tutorial @ metawiki
[09:30:44] <node100101>	changed $wgLogo="path"; however it outputs a n empty transparent box
[09:34:56] <node100101>	hi i need help finding it difficult to change the image when i do change the image it appears blank followed steps at the tutorial @ metawiki
[09:34:57] <node100101>	changed $wgLogo="path"; however it outputs a n empty transparent box
[09:46:57] <node100101>	changed $wgLogo="path"; however it outputs a n empty transparent box
[09:46:59] <node100101>	hi i need help finding it difficult to change the image when i do change the image it appears blank followed steps at the tutorial @ metawiki
[09:50:20] <Werdna>	!repeat
[09:50:20] --mwbot--	Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[09:50:24] <CIA-54>	03ashley * r37684 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserStats/ (SpecialUpdateEditCounts.php UserStats.i18n.php): Some Finnish translations for UserStats
[09:50:51] <node100101>	okay
[09:53:19] <Platonides>	node100101, the path you set is wrong
[09:53:36] <Dantman>	Hmmm... hope tim doesn't mind... I think I'm going to modify his sidebar change to support a hook or two
[09:55:08] <node100101>	yes sorry for repeat postings
[09:55:41] <node100101>	wad are the permissions i should set for images folder and localsettings.php?
[10:06:27] <ZorroIII>	can one set up interwikilinks from special pages, such as watchlist ?
[10:20:01] <Dantman>	Bleh... I want to commit now, but brion isn't arround to poke
[10:20:58] <Dantman>	Simetrical: Can I poke you about a hook name?
[10:21:54] <Platonides>	node100101, give write permission to the user apache will run as to the image folder
[10:22:09] <Dantman>	Werdna: ^
[10:22:10] <Platonides>	you don't need special permissions for localsettings
[10:22:41] <Platonides>	once you copy it from the config folder don't need to be writable
[10:23:38] <Dantman>	It's for extending the variables exported into the page... SkinGlobalVariables or SkinJSVariables?
[10:25:08] <node100101>	Thank You :-)
[10:25:58] <Dantman>	Meh... guess you don't get reverted if it matches the method name
[10:33:55] <Muny>	hi! how i can disable special pages for users?
[10:36:14] <Llama>	Muny, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_all_pages 
[10:36:42] <Llama>	Muny, sorry, wrong link
[10:38:20] <Llama>	Muny, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages this is right start link
[10:38:38] <Muny>	ok
[10:38:45] <Muny>	thanks a lot!
[10:44:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wrong query Output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14821 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[10:48:25] <Forrester>	hey....do you know anything new about when the write-api is about to be started?
[10:50:16] <Nikerabbit>	you mean enabled on wikipedia?
[10:52:26] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit, did you take a look at your bw talk page?
[10:54:09] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37685 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
[10:54:09] <CIA-54>	* 2008-07-14:1
[10:54:09] <CIA-54>	 - improved message checks
[10:54:09] <CIA-54>	 - can now work for meta groups too
[10:54:09] <CIA-54>	 - fixed messages not shown in the list anymore, but script is still needed to find the broken ones
[10:54:37] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: it's miles long, which one?
[10:54:45] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: the special version thing?
[10:55:25] <alnokta>	yes ni
[10:58:00] <Forrester>	Nikerabbit: yes
[10:58:02] <Dantman>	^_^ Hopefully I don't break things this time arround
[11:01:54] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: I have the feeling that general attitude is that the license should not be translated
[11:03:07] <Dantman>	^_^ Cross you're fingers, and hope trunk doesn't die... rotfl
[11:03:14] <Dantman>	your*
[11:03:19] <CIA-54>	03dantman * r37686 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[11:03:19] <CIA-54>	Improving extendibility of the sidebar improvements, css adding, and also JS variables.
[11:03:19] <CIA-54>	* New hooks:
[11:03:19] <CIA-54>	** SkinSidebarSpecialBox and SkinSidebarOutputSpecialBox to allow extensions to add new custom boxes to Tim's new Sidebar system
[11:03:19] <CIA-54>	** SkinSetupSiteCss to allow extensions to modify and add new stylesheets to
[11:03:22] <CIA-54>	load into the page. This one allows for fine positioning and can be very useful
[11:03:24] <CIA-54>	for things like an extension providing global css for a wiki farm.
[11:04:06] <Dantman>	T_T Not again... and I even checked for validity
[11:04:44] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: O_O
[11:04:49] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: aren't we in code slush
[11:05:06] <Dantman>	Slush? Never heared that definition before?
[11:05:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Stopsignal for TemplateOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14822 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[11:05:17] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: in the topic
[11:05:32] <Dantman>	Ya, slush.... no clue what that means
[11:06:36] <Nikerabbit>	it's like code freeze for big changes that could disrupt stability
[11:07:33] <Dantman>	just a fyi, "slush" not found in FAQ
[11:08:23] <Dantman>	^_^ When I saw 'slush' it made me think of messy, and gives me more of the impression of "Trunk is unstable at the moment, don't expect it to work right"
[11:08:52] <Dantman>	Perhaps a new term is in order
[11:10:01] <Dantman>	Well, I fixed the single syntax error... All it is are a few hooks...
[11:10:35] <Nikerabbit>	or you just use it like everyone else after hearing it the first time :o
[11:14:38] <CIA-54>	03dantman * r37687 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: A single syntax error, I tested for validity and still I get one.
[11:34:55] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit, what is translated is a stub of the license not the actual gpl , and there is always the links to the original
[11:46:30] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: maybe
[11:46:33] <Nikerabbit>	but not for 1.13
[11:49:09] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit, ok
[11:49:30] *alnokta 	feels that .13 is coming faster than .12
[11:51:49] <Dantman>	Mkay, all 3 hooks I added are working perfectly
[11:52:15] <Dantman>	:/ Now if the old i18n system wasn't causing me issues
[11:52:44] <RoanKattouw>	alnokta: IIRC, 1.12 was pushed back
[11:53:42] <alnokta>	RoanKattouw, yes 
[11:57:53] <Nikerabbit>	I think we have only two releases per year...
[12:03:31] <Ichthys>	hi
[12:03:49] <Ichthys>	i have a question
[12:04:03] <Ichthys>	i am trying to get the extension "flaggedrevs" to run as i want it on my wiki
[12:04:04] <RoanKattouw>	!ask  Ichthys 
[12:04:04] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[12:04:07] <Platonides>	Ichthys, ask your questions if you expect someone to answer
[12:04:19] <Ichthys>	http://www.lza.de/downloads/material
[12:04:40] <Ichthys>	How can i move the box into to content area of the article
[12:05:03] <Ichthys>	and how can i make it appear as a smaller box with the +/- button like the german wikipedia
[12:05:06] <Ichthys>	???
[12:05:57] <Ichthys>	plz msg me
[12:07:01] <RoanKattouw>	I don't know, maybe a FlaggedRevs developer does?
[12:07:36] <RoanKattouw>	If there aren't any around, you could also try to ask your question on mediawiki-l
[12:07:43] <RoanKattouw>	(or does FlaggedRevs have its own mailing list?)
[12:18:59] <AaronSchulz>	Ichthys: is the extension/FlaggedRevs directory client readable?
[12:19:09] <AaronSchulz>	it should be for the js/css
[12:19:15] <AaronSchulz>	.de also has custom css
[12:19:42] <AaronSchulz>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[12:35:34] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37688 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: * Fix notice
[12:48:53] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37689 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: * Fix for the previous commit
[12:52:49] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37690 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php TranslateTasks.php): * And more fixes
[13:05:47] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37691 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[13:05:47] <CIA-54>	* Move *-summary from optional to ignored.
[13:05:47] <CIA-54>	* rebuild all messages files
[13:05:47] <CIA-54>	* fix a typo in comment
[13:18:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  +comment (10fdcn64)
[13:19:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  (10fdcn64)
[13:21:59] <node100101>	how do i disable the user from changing their skins and other options
[13:23:06] <str4nd>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgValidSkinNames
[13:24:28] <node100101>	im sorry allow me to reframe my question i donot want the user to have the option in his preferences
[13:24:44] <node100101>	im sorry allow me to reframe my question i donot want the user to have the option in his preferences *User cannot change his skin
[13:39:40] <node100101>	found it finally :D http://www.dii.unimore.it/wiki/index.php/Help:Skins hope it may help someone!
[13:43:04] <Dor>	I want to make a general infobox template
[13:43:10] <Dor>	I want it to have
[13:43:13] <Dor>	{{infobox
[13:43:18] <Dor>	|title=
[13:43:21] <Dor>	|image=
[13:43:26] <Dor>	and from here
[13:43:33] <Dor>	they are all custom infos
[13:43:35] <Dor>	could be
[13:43:42] <Dor>	Price=
[13:43:47] <Dor>	Site=
[13:43:50] <Dor>	whatever
[13:43:57] <Dor>	is it possible?
[13:55:44] <fizz__>	hey you all
[13:56:08] <fizz__>	Is there any way I could put in the main page a section dynamically displaying the recently modified pages?
[14:04:08] <Nikerabbit>	fizz__: dynamic front page is great way to reduce performance :o
[14:08:15] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37692 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageChecks.php README Translate.php TranslateUtils.php): 
[14:08:16] <CIA-54>	* 2008-07-14:2 new check for unaltered namespaces in pagename messages of MediaWiki
[14:08:16] <CIA-54>	* make cache more effective
[14:09:59] <Smaug>	Dor: you could have the info name be a paremeter in addition to the info info.
[14:11:30] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37693 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: * Message for previous check
[14:15:00] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37694 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: Localisation updates. Align source messages
[14:15:58] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37695 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageChecks.php: * Fix for previous commit, *sigh*
[14:16:28] <Drazha>	I have a problem with formatting the text in mediawiki...
[14:16:50] <Drazha>	I have a bullet point, but within that bulletpoint i got several paragraphs... how can I sort that out?
[14:17:23] <Nikerabbit>	use <ul><li>
[14:17:29] <Simetrical>	Drazha, you need to use an HTML <ul>.  Or else use <p> for the paragraph breaks.
[14:19:05] <Drazha>	hmm, lemme see
[14:19:19] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical 
[14:21:21] <Drazha>	so I need to use the HTML for the complete list or just the one item that is more complex? I ask since it doesnt seem to work like that
[14:22:09] <Simetrical>	Drazha, you have to use HTML for the whole list, if you use <ul>.
[14:22:52] <Drazha>	okie... well i was thinking <ol> but I guess the same applies
[14:24:05] <fizz__>	Nikerabbit: its an internal wiki, performance is not an issue
[14:24:31] <Nikerabbit>	speed isn't?
[14:24:52] <fizz__>	how longer would it take?
[14:25:08] <fizz__>	more than 2 seconds?
[14:26:08] <Nikerabbit>	disable all mediawiki caches and test :D
[14:28:04] <Drazha>	what would the most feature rich editor for mediawiki be?
[14:29:25] <exobuzz>	http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/ ? (but i dont think its complete yet)
[14:29:50] <Drazha>	yeah its still in beta
[14:30:18] <Dor>	Smaug, what do you mean?
[14:34:58] <Simetrical>	Drazha, there's only about one editor, so I guess it's the most feature-rich by default.
[14:35:23] <Drazha>	well I am currently usin wikiEd
[14:36:05] <Drazha>	but I wish the editor was a bit more along the lines of WYSIWYM rather then WYSIWYG, like latex, or docbook
[14:38:39] <fizz__>	Nikerabbit, any doc i could read about dynamic content?
[14:43:43] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Could you help me with a database query issue?
[14:52:59] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, maybe, although now isn't a good time.  Go ahead and ask.
[14:53:29] <RoanKattouw>	http://rafb.net/p/57fhlV57.html (single SELECT with OR) or http://rafb.net/p/HPvTT881.html (UNION), which is better performance-wise?
[14:53:59] <RoanKattouw>	The left one does what seems to be a full scan of the page table, the right one has rows=1 everywhere but does some weird UNION stuff
[14:54:12] <RoanKattouw>	I mean I understand the query, I just don't fully understand the second EXPLAIN output
[14:54:12] <Simetrical>	In this case, UNIONs are sometimes better.
[14:54:44] <RoanKattouw>	What it's bascially about it searchindex.si_text and si_title (both have a FULLTEXT index)
[14:54:47] <Simetrical>	Oh, fulltext search.  Don't know much about that.
[14:55:05] <RoanKattouw>	The first one does MATCH (si_text) AGAINST ('stuff')  OR MATCH (si_title) AGAINST ('stuff')
[14:55:14] <RoanKattouw>	Which chooses the si_page index
[14:55:27] <RoanKattouw>	And the second one does two separate, fulltext-indexed queries and UNIONs them
[14:56:00] <RoanKattouw>	My problem is that I don't really know what to make of the EXPLAIN output for the UNION query
[14:56:04] <Simetrical>	I don't know offhand, don't have time to look further ATM.
[14:57:02] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[14:57:04] <RoanKattouw>	Thanks anyway
[14:59:32] <Dor>	is it possible to change my $wgSiteName ?
[14:59:37] <RoanKattouw>	Dor: Sure
[14:59:38] <Dor>	or do I have to reinstall?
[14:59:42] <RoanKattouw>	No
[14:59:46] <Dor>	okay :)
[14:59:52] <RoanKattouw>	Just add $wgSiteName = 'Whatever'; to LocalSettings.php
[14:59:57] <Dor>	k
[15:00:01] <Dor>	????
[15:00:03] <Dor>	whoops :o
[15:00:11] <^demon>	Does a change in $wgSiteName need a rebuild of namespaces if the project namespace is based on it?
[15:00:30] <RoanKattouw>	It could be that there's already a line in LocalSettings.php setting $wgSiteName, in that case just change that line
[15:00:46] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: What do you mean "rebuild of namespaces"?
[15:00:58] <RoanKattouw>	I don't think so, as namespaces are stored as numbers in the database
[15:01:04] <alnokta2>	no demon
[15:01:17] <Dor>	?? namespace
[15:01:21] <Dor>	!namespace
[15:01:21] --mwbot--	For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace>. See also !extranamespace
[15:01:24] <RoanKattouw>	It's probably just that your [[Sitename:Foo]] links will suddenly point somewhere else
[15:01:35] <Dor>	!extranamespace
[15:01:35] --mwbot--	To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces>. $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces.
[15:02:05] <RoanKattouw>	And weird stuff will happen if you already had pages called [[NewSiteName:Foo]] in the main namespace, but there's a maintenance script for that
[15:02:53] <alnokta2>	where is rob church?
[15:02:57] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: True.
[15:03:10] <^demon>	alnokta2: He doesn't hang around anymore.
[15:03:37] <alnokta2>	^demon, why?
[15:04:28] <Reedy>	Should Help namespace to Manual Namespace redirects on the MW wiki be flagged for deletion?
[15:05:19] <^demon>	alnokta2: I don't know.
[15:05:20] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: I quote: "Deleting redirects is a 'screw you' to external sites"
[15:05:38] <Reedy>	Why's that?
[15:05:45] <Reedy>	Im trying to cleanup the help pages that would be exported
[15:06:09] <Reedy>	So if they are MW specific, but not "Help, Special or Manual" and such, they are changed to {{mediawiki|link}}
[15:06:10] <RoanKattouw>	Because you can fix all *on-wiki* links that point to the redirect, but you can't do that with off-wiki links
[15:06:19] <Reedy>	I suppose
[15:08:02] <Dor>	how can I change my Main Page name?
[15:08:11] <RoanKattouw>	!mainpage | Dor
[15:08:11] --mwbot--	Dor: To change which page is the "main page" of your wiki, edit MediaWiki:Mainpage. 
[15:08:12] <^demon>	MediaWiki:Mainpage
[15:08:21] <Dor>	oh
[15:08:23] <Dor>	ok :P
[15:08:33] <^demon>	And to change the description on the left sidebar, edit "MediaWiki:Mainpage-description"
[15:08:56] <Dor>	k :)
[15:10:52] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37696 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateUtils.php: * count is too slow here
[15:11:04] <Dor>	oh yeah
[15:11:16] <Dor>	I want to make a template for general infobox
[15:11:20] <Dor>	I want it to have
[15:11:23] <Dor>	Image
[15:11:24] <Dor>	Title
[15:11:32] <Dor>	and the rest would be custom info
[15:11:35] <Dor>	meaning
[15:11:40] <Dor>	it could be
[15:11:46] <Dor>	|Price=
[15:11:51] <alnokta2>	^demon, could you test if maintenance/deleteOldRevisions.php us working?
[15:11:57] <Dor>	|Name=
[15:12:00] <Dor>	|Website=
[15:12:03] <Dor>	anything
[15:12:16] <Dor>	and it will appear in the table as name | value
[15:12:18] <RoanKattouw>	Dor: For examples of infobox templates, see Wikipedia's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Infobox_templates
[15:12:28] <RoanKattouw>	Dor: The latter isn't really possible
[15:12:36] <Dor>	no? :(
[15:12:37] <RoanKattouw>	Unless you do name1=Foo|value1=Bar
[15:12:38] <alnokta2>	Dor, could you post your question in one message please?
[15:12:49] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37697 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialFileList/SpecialFilelist.i18n.php: Link special page
[15:12:51] <Dor>	RoanKattouw, that'll work
[15:12:53] <^demon>	alnokta2: Give me a moment.
[15:13:00] <Dor>	alnokta2, ok
[15:13:23] <alnokta2>	^demon, k
[15:13:32] <alnokta2>	Dor, thx
[15:14:33] <Dor>	RoanKattouw, so how do I do that?
[15:15:10] <RoanKattouw>	Well basically, you wouldn't really allow all nameN/valueN pairs, only up to 20 or so
[15:15:17] <RoanKattouw>	Which is enough for all practical purposes
[15:15:22] <Dor>	ofc
[15:15:33] <Dor>	give me an example for one
[15:15:44] <RoanKattouw>	The basic code would be {{#if:{{{name1|}}}|{{{name1}}}={{{value1}}}}}
[15:16:00] <RoanKattouw>	Which checks whether name1 is empty, and prints name1=value1 if not
[15:16:09] <Dor>	and the only thing left is to make it looks nice
[15:16:20] <Dor>	look*
[15:16:24] <RoanKattouw>	The basic form is {{#if:condition|if-notempty|if-empty}}
[15:16:28] <^demon>	alnokta2: Doesn't appear so.
[15:16:29] <RoanKattouw>	Use table syntax for that
[15:16:40] <Dor>	yeah I know
[15:16:42] <Dor>	thanks :)
[15:17:26] <^demon>	Nevermind, yes it does. Forgot to pass the --delete flag.
[15:17:29] <alnokta2>	^demon, could you see if you can fix it? [given that rob seems busy]
[15:18:56] <^demon>	My revision table went from 650ish rows to 55 :-P
[15:20:45] <geek_cl>	i can't http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_logo.3F
[15:21:03] <alnokta2>	:)
[15:21:04] <geek_cl>	i probed all indications 
[15:21:15] <geek_cl>	but still show default logo
[15:21:16] <RoanKattouw>	geek_cl: Why not? Did you add the $wgLogo line to LocalSettings.php?
[15:21:21] <geek_cl>	yes.
[15:21:29] <RoanKattouw>	Did you add it near the bottom?
[15:21:32] <alnokta2>	then i have to figure out why it is not working for me
[15:21:49] <geek_cl>	cat LocalSettings.php |grep wgLogo
[15:21:50] <geek_cl>	$wgLogo = 'logo.gif';
[15:23:47] <geek_cl>	and $wgLogo = 'http://www.mysite.cl/images/logo.gif';
[15:23:59] <RoanKattouw>	You set them both?
[15:24:08] <geek_cl>	both test
[15:24:17] <RoanKattouw>	Only the downmost one will work, the other one will be ignored
[15:24:19] <geek_cl>	one set for time
[15:24:54] <geek_cl>	any ideas ? 
[15:25:12] <geek_cl>	what about variable such as $wgStylePath or $wgUploadPath.
[15:26:16] <Dor>	?????? :)*
[15:26:16] <RoanKattouw>	They don't matter here
[15:26:21] <RoanKattouw>	geek_cl: Did you clear your cache?
[15:26:25] <Dor>	geek_cl, try to upload itto an external site
[15:26:30] <Dor>	and put a lint to that
[15:26:32] <RoanKattouw>	Try setting $wgLogo to the http:// variant and clear your cache
[15:26:40] <RoanKattouw>	(Shift+Refresh or whatever works for your browser)
[15:26:45] <geek_cl>	yes.. i try too
[15:30:29] <geek_cl>	hello?
[15:32:20] <gmc>	hya, is there a way to override the default sking with a url parameter?
[15:32:34] <RoanKattouw>	gmc: &useskin=foo
[15:32:48] <RoanKattouw>	e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=cologneblue
[15:33:07] <Xiong>	philosophy question
[15:33:14] <gmc>	RoanKattouw: excellent, thanks!
[15:33:24] <Xiong>	would you say that the scroll bar has in some way become the modern ellipis?
[15:42:25] <Drazha>	ok then, I added $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MAIN] = true; to the LocalSettings.php file to enable the subpages, but nothing happens... hints?
[15:43:56] <CIA-54>	03demon * r37698 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAncientpages.php: Remove $use_index that has been commented out for about 31000 revisions. Quick testing shows forcing use of rev_timestamp or page_timestamp indexes to be slower, so there's no point in using them instead.
[15:45:59] <RoanKattouw_>	Drazha: What did you expect to happen?
[15:47:03] <Drazha>	RoanKattouw well I expected the links to appear on the parent and child pages
[15:47:07] <Smaug>	Dor: i'll be back later, will explain
[15:47:32] <RoanKattouw_>	Drazha: Have you cleared your cache? Tried to purge the page?
[15:47:38] <Dor>	in tables
[15:47:45] <RoanKattouw_>	!purge | Drazha
[15:47:45] --mwbot--	Drazha: To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[15:47:48] <Dor>	how do I use styles on a header?
[15:47:49] <RoanKattouw_>	Off to dinner now
[15:47:55] <Dor>	! style="..." ! title
[15:47:56] <Dor>	doesn't work
[15:47:59] <Dor>	:|
[15:48:35] <Dor>	nvm :|
[15:50:53] <MinuteElectron>	change ! style to | style
[15:51:36] <Drazha>	okie, I get the problem, the pages I created are not treated as subpages... so I had to create new ones so that they would be treated as subpages...
[15:51:51] <Drazha>	my only expectation was that the parent would show links to all child subpages
[15:52:08] <Drazha>	but that did not happen by default, so perhaps something more needs to be odne?
[15:54:11] <MinuteElectron>	Drazha: It doesn't happen, ever.
[15:54:35] <MinuteElectron>	you have to use {{Special:PrefixIndex/PageName}}
[15:54:39] <MinuteElectron>	or install an extension
[15:54:43] <Drazha>	MinuteElectron: okie, thanks!
[15:55:42] <Drazha>	although i came up to an article which speaks of using categories rather then subpages
[15:57:36] <alnokta2>	^demon, how to explain that? http://www.pastebin.ca/1072480
[16:00:35] <CIA-54>	03demon * r37699 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/PageHistory.php): (bug 14778) 'limit' parameter now applies to history feeds as well as history pages (and now doesn't break if the limit is negative)
[16:00:48] <^demon>	alnokta2: A bug.
[16:01:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PageHistory don't use limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14778  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:02:10] <alnokta2>	^demon, but it is working for you?
[16:02:22] <^demon>	Yep.
[16:03:14] <alnokta2>	^demon, the db i'm running this on is: dump->importDump.php->rebuildall.php..(twice) .. i want to remove the old dump revisions -> not working.
[16:03:53] *^demon 	shrugs
[16:04:27] <^demon>	Running it earlier to test is the first time I've ever used the script, never looked at the code. Dunno what to tell you.
[16:05:36] <alnokta2>	:)
[16:06:50] <^demon|lunch>	Back later folks.
[16:10:14] <CIA-54>	03ashley * r37700 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserStats/EditCount.php: Take $wgDBprefix into account
[16:12:03] <CIA-54>	03nikerabbit * r37701 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * Fix warnings and little speed improvement
[16:13:36] <Nikerabbit>	^demon|lunch: min()....
[16:16:18] <Nikerabbit>	oh well
[16:16:22] <Nikerabbit>	it's good enough I guess
[16:21:01] <Reedy>	importScript() - Is that a MW thing? Or is somethign custom needed?
[16:22:34] <AlexSm>	Reedy: now it's MW thing
[16:22:55] <Reedy>	now, being in SVN? or would 1.12 have it?
[16:24:04] <AlexSm>	mmm... for exact moment it was added check wikibits.js revision history
[16:27:52] <Reedy>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=35064
[16:27:54] <Reedy>	May 19th
[16:28:04] <Reedy>	so not in 1.12
[16:40:04] <Reedy>	Anything other than enabling user javascript needed to use popups on a custom wiki?
[16:41:24] <CIA-54>	03catrope * r37702 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Updating extension READMEs to Special:ExtensionDistributor, add reference to BetaWiki.
[16:41:42] <alnokta2>	is it true that every wikipedian have their own wiki at a certain point of time?
[16:42:33] <RoanKattouw>	alnokta2: All developers do ;)
[16:43:16] <alnokta2>	RoanKattouw, no doubt about that :)
[16:44:41] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: nice <3
[16:45:02] <mhall>	Hello all... I am trying to configure my mediawiki so that when you have logged in, you are automatically forwarded to the page you wanted to see without having to click the "return to" link... however I have found this seems to be nontrivial to Google. Does anybody know how I could do it or where there are some instructions?
[16:45:52] <RoanKattouw>	mhall: It's not supported in core, you'd probably have to write an extension
[16:46:30] <MinuteElectron>	or javascript
[16:48:43] <mhall>	I'm cool with either route... if somebody with a clue can provide guidance.
[16:48:53] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: You pinged?
[16:48:57] <mhall>	I'd do nearly anything to free myself from this annoyance!
[16:49:02] <RoanKattouw>	I'll see if there are any hooks around you can use
[16:49:05] <alnokta2>	^demon, you take a lot of time to parse your feed :P
[16:49:41] <^demon>	alnokta2: My feed?
[16:50:10] <CIA-54>	03rainman * r37703 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/StubObject.php languages/LanguageConverter.php): Fix regreesion in r37662, disabled conversion when interface language variant is different that main wiki language variant.
[16:50:22] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe use the BeforePageDisplay hook
[16:50:24] <alnokta2>	^demon, food, lunch
[16:50:41] <RoanKattouw>	You'd just have to figure out a way to detect whether you're on one of those "Return to ..." pages.
[16:50:50] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm maybe not such a good hook to use after all
[16:51:22] *^demon 	is confused.
[16:51:59] <RoanKattouw>	I think UserLoginComplete is the best hook choice
[16:52:10] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: never mind
[16:52:19] <RoanKattouw>	Then you'd just have to figure out which page to return to
[16:52:23] <Nikerabbit>	argh
[16:52:25] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: never mind
[16:52:33] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Ok :-P
[16:55:36] <mhall>	RoanKattouw: OK I will look into it... thanks for the assistance.
[16:56:51] <mhall>	RoanKattouw: actually that hook string is a wonderfully googleable value
[16:57:07] <mhall>	RoanKattouw: it got me a forum page of wikih4x0r trying to make this work
[16:57:21] <mhall>	RoanKattouw: so i think you already solved 90% of my problem with just that info
[16:57:35] <RoanKattouw>	Good
[16:59:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  +comment (10rainman)
[17:01:33] <Smaug>	Dor, still having that infobox question?
[17:01:47] <Dor>	no
[17:01:50] <Dor>	thanks :)
[17:02:32] <Smaug>	ok yw
[17:10:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LanguageConvertor should always use interface language for conversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14823 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (rainman)
[17:23:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:PrefixIndex/AllPages paging links contain invalid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13949  (10N/A)
[17:42:21] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37704 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPrefixindex.php: Per comment in bug 13949: fix XHTML error in Special:Prefixindex (was already done on Special:Allpages)
[17:44:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:PrefixIndex/AllPages paging links contain invalid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13949  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:59:25] <neelaManga>	hi
[18:00:02] <neelaManga>	how to protect my meadiawiki site from all pepole?
[18:01:59] <ialex>	!man Preventing_access
[18:01:59] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[18:10:38] <Hojjat>	!woman
[18:10:38] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "woman".
[18:10:42] <Hojjat>	;)
[18:12:59] <ialex>	:D
[18:20:31] <davidmccabe>	I have a MySQL 5.0.24 database for MW 1.9, and for some reason, the character set is latin1. I want to convert it to UTF8. How can I do that safely?
[18:20:49] <MinuteElectron>	it should be latin1
[18:21:03] <davidmccabe>	OK, next question:
[18:21:05] <MinuteElectron>	mediawiki uses latin1 for utf8
[18:21:17] <davidmccabe>	I'm getting characters mangled in my pages, and SQL errors because of illegal collation. 
[18:21:20] <davidmccabe>	What's wrong with my configuration?
[18:21:37] <MinuteElectron>	did you change something
[18:21:44] <davidmccabe>	No, but I just came on at this company.
[18:22:04] <MinuteElectron>	is it new, or an existing install?
[18:22:09] <davidmccabe>	existing install.
[18:22:24] <MinuteElectron>	was it like this before you joined?
[18:22:36] <davidmccabe>	Apparently.
[18:22:53] <MinuteElectron>	how much data does it have?
[18:23:08] <MinuteElectron>	(just a rough estimate will do)
[18:23:48] <davidmccabe>	14,149 pages.
[18:24:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	Now that 'crats may rename to a global name - does the software check for equal passwords/emails? Or must 'crats check the users are the same before renaming like this?
[18:24:33] <MinuteElectron>	davidmccabe: oh dear... backups?
[18:24:51] <davidmccabe>	I do have a backup.
[18:24:59] <davidmccabe>	nightly, that is.
[18:25:04] <MinuteElectron>	i mean, backups prior to you starting there?
[18:25:31] <davidmccabe>	Nope, I set the backups up.
[18:25:39] <davidmccabe>	Why?
[18:26:14] <MinuteElectron>	you could have experimentally imported them into a test install to get a rough estimation of when the corruption happend at what (if anything) changed.
[18:26:40] <MinuteElectron>	but thats not possible, apparently
[18:27:10] <davidmccabe>	My main concern is to make sure things work from here on, actually.
[18:27:26] <davidmccabe>	My clients don't care about the existing corruption.
[18:28:00] <davidmccabe>	However I have a page with a '??' in it and that apparently makes the page unviewable due to illegal mix of collations.
[18:28:13] <davidmccabe>	(in a link)
[18:28:13] <MinuteElectron>	what is was saying that if you knew when the coruption happend you could analyse the database differences and try to find a solution
[18:28:26] <davidmccabe>	I suspect it was set up wrong in the first place.
[18:28:39] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[18:29:19] <MinuteElectron>	i recomend you set up another one then if that is an option, there is clearly severe problems and unless you can find out the cause you're going to have difficult finding a solution that fixes it fully
[18:32:17] <RoanKattouw>	Like MinuteElectron said, it's probably best to set up a new wiki, Special:Export all pages from the old one and Special:Import them into the new one
[18:33:48] <davidmccabe>	hm, damn.
[18:39:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	VasilievVV: when you fixed bug 13507... does that check the password or email for the users before letting you rename? Or must 'crats check that the users are the same first?
[18:39:58] <davidmccabe>	The page_title is a varchar. Shouldn't it be a varbinary?
[18:40:04] <VasilievVV>	Mike_lifeguard: It's their buisness to check it
[18:40:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok - perhaps that should be made explicit?
[18:40:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	everyone was expecting that the software would check
[18:40:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	and by "everyone" I mean "me and the one person I asked"
[18:40:43] <MinuteElectron>	davidmccabe: no
[18:41:11] <MinuteElectron>	davidmccabe: it should be whatever it is now, and messing about with stuff like that will just make your problems worse
[18:41:21] <VasilievVV>	Mike_lifeguard: if it checked, we wouldn't display warning
[18:41:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	VasilievVV: that's definitely not explicit enough ;)
[18:42:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	Perhaps doing the check would be best? But at least letting people know they must check would be good
[18:43:34] <VasilievVV>	Mike_lifeguard: yeah, perhaps we should clarify warning
[18:43:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	well one or the other is definitely needed because people are running around renaming, thinking the software will verify it's the same user
[18:44:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	doing the check would be best, but I imagine that is perhaps difficult (though the code should already be there for merging accounts, right?)
[18:46:13] <alnokta>	" Please only ask in English, German or French. If you ask in other languages I will answer in German." :)
[18:50:31] <^demon>	alnokta: 0100100001101001
[18:51:27] <alnokta>	:)
[18:51:56] <alnokta>	your language is hard
[18:52:46] <^demon>	I only said 1 word...
[18:55:38] <davidmccabe>	It looks like XML dumps contain only articles, but I would need to back up users etc. Any pointers?
[18:57:31] <alnokta>	davidmccabe, what about sql dumps?
[18:57:55] <davidmccabe>	Well, my purpose in dumping and restoring is to flush out a character encoding problem that I don't understand.
[18:58:04] <davidmccabe>	an SQL dump would probably defeat the purpose.
[18:58:11] <davidmccabe>	(Yes this is voodoo; I am eager for other suggestions)
[18:58:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Renaming users to a globally-reserved name should verify password/ email first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14824 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mike.lifeguard)
[18:59:54] <alnokta>	davidmccabe, does dumping with --xml helps?
[19:04:42] <^demon>	Where is the initial IW list on a fresh install populated from?
[19:05:48] <davidmccabe>	alnokta: Probably not as it contains exactly the same data as an SQL dump. Or should.
[19:06:02] <davidmccabe>	And the whole point is that something in my SQL configuration is screwed up.
[19:07:44] <alnokta>	davidmccabe, then hack the dump script to include the user table as well .. right?
[19:07:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Renaming users to a globally-reserved name should verify password/ email first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14824  +comment (10vasilvv)
[19:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Renaming users to a globally-reserved name should verify password/ email first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14824  (10mike.lifeguard)
[19:11:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace filter in Special:Linksearch on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10593  (10tim)
[19:16:05] <aib_>	i checked the faq but I don't see how to not show "Main Page" on the Main_Page as done on the Mediawiki wiki
[19:22:04] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r37705 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Linking to special pages.
[19:23:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) \operatorname and \bmod don' t space in the TeX to PNG renderer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14825 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (army1987)
[19:24:22] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r37706 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: * Adding link to the deletion log in uploadtext.
[19:26:21] <CIA-54>	03rotem * r37707 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Various fixes for Hebrew translation.
[19:28:12] <siebrand>	Reverting the last two commits to MessagesEn.php: string freeze.
[19:28:40] <Lendrick>	Is there anywhere I can see some documentation on the mediawiki database schema?
[19:29:07] <Nikerabbit>	maintenance/tables.sql
[19:29:09] <Lendrick>	I've got a wiki that went without maintenance for a while and it's at the point now that it basically needs some mass deletes of pretty much every talk page and most of the users
[19:29:27] <aib_>	PyWikipediaBot
[19:30:55] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37708 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: 
[19:30:55] <CIA-54>	Rverting r37705, and r37706.
[19:30:55] <CIA-54>	String freeze in place for core messages awaiting branching of MediaWiki 1.13 and giving translators a chance to localise to the current state. Please hold off on any changes until then.
[19:34:04] <MinuteElectron>	davidmccabe: There isn't an easy way out of your situation - if it were up to me I'd do an XML dumpp then try to salvage what I can that isn't in the XML dump from the SQL database and insert it in to the new wiki.
[19:49:19] <aib_>	ping
[19:49:27] <aib_>	how does the MediaWiki wiki not show the Main Page text on the main page
[19:49:28] <aib_>	??
[19:49:37] <aib_>	the css is ambiguous so I can't turn the display to none
[19:50:03] <RoanKattouw>	!man Database_layout | Lendrick
[19:50:03] --mwbot--	Lendrick: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[19:51:32] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37709 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Skin.php SkinTemplate.php): Added some tabs in the generated html so that it is easier to read the <head> element
[19:52:28] <davidmccabe>	aib_: You don't want it to show the title?
[19:52:34] <davidmccabe>	Did you follow the instructions in the FAQ?
[19:54:21] <aib_>	something about this question flies over people's heads
[19:54:32] <aib_>	read this thread to see how almost everyone who reads various versions of this question completely misinterprets it!
[19:54:33] <aib_>	http://www.mwusers.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1916.html
[19:54:40] <aib_>	anyway, there is a code solution in that thread, so i'm good, thanks.
[19:55:49] <aib_>	towards the bottom there is a pure javascript solution. the first is a php solution which is less ideal
[19:57:27] <davidmccabe>	You want the title of the main page to be hidden, right?
[19:57:27] <davidmccabe>	There's an entry about this in the FAQ.
[19:57:59] <aib_>	not on this faq. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ
[19:58:03] <aib_>	i always RTFM
[19:58:24] <davidmccabe>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_hide_the_main_page_title.3F
[19:58:56] <davidmccabe>	You're probably on 1.9+ so scroll down to the second version.
[19:58:59] <aib_>	oh lovely, two manuals..
[19:59:10] <aib_>	the joy of wikis!
[19:59:10] <davidmccabe>	Check the note at the top.
[19:59:15] <davidmccabe>	"NOTE: this page is being replaced by the FAQ at MediaWiki.org. If your question isn't in here, look there."
[19:59:20] <alnokta>	lol
[19:59:22] <davidmccabe>	Hm, that should probably be bigger and louder.
[19:59:46] <aib_>	thanks davidmccabe
[19:59:52] <davidmccabe>	np.
[20:14:32] <Subfader>	i want to include wiki-markup in an extension's special page. using wfMsg('someMWmsg'); doesn't work when someMWmsg includes wiki-markup. onyl plain text or html
[20:14:54] <Subfader>	can't i include some other page's content on the special page somehow?
[20:18:41] <davidmccabe>	Subfader: Probably not without altering the extension.
[20:18:55] <Subfader>	that's what i do atm ;)
[20:19:49] <Subfader>	at some position of the code I don't want it to include a MWmsg but some other pages content including wiki-markup
[20:22:37] <Subfader>	some $wgContLang->?
[20:24:00] <Nikerabbit>	Subfader: ??r?
[20:24:50] <Nikerabbit>	Subfader: $wgOut->addWikiText( '{{blaa}}' ); ?
[20:25:43] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Has anyone ever installed the extension SocialProfile
[20:26:09] <Nikerabbit>	I'd say ask Jack Phoenix but he's not online
[20:26:58] <Subfader>	Nik: then it's on zop
[20:27:23] <Subfader>	extension code uses e.g. $retval .= Xml::closeElement('table');
[20:27:37] <Nikerabbit>	ah
[20:27:49] <Nikerabbit>	Subfader: $wgOut->parse() then?
[20:27:54] *FunPika 	is having a problem with a CentralAuth installation on a small wiki
[20:29:03] <Subfader>	Nikerabbit: Exactly. Thanks a lot! Must note it down ;)
[20:30:25] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s: yes
[20:30:25] <mib_4v9jre1s>	can someone look at code and tell me what's rong with it? Please?
[20:30:44] <jlerner>	look at what.. ?
[20:30:48] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Do you know mysql
[20:30:55] <jlerner>	enoiugh
[20:31:00] <jlerner>	s/i//
[20:31:03] <FunPika>	http://rafb.net/p/DNsmoo16.html Does anybody know how to fix that? 
[20:31:47] <mib_4v9jre1s>	How can i send it to you?
[20:32:43] <mib_4v9jre1s>	jlerner	 - can you pm
[20:32:59] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s: use rafb.net or pastebin?
[20:33:01] <jlerner>	or pm
[20:33:09] <Lendrick>	so, it looks like the text records are hanging around even from pages I've deleted
[20:33:17] <Lendrick>	is there any way to purge those?
[20:33:34] <Lendrick>	I tried purging the archive table, but there are still records in the text table
[20:34:59] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Here it is - http://pastebin.com/d7a4807e6
[20:35:38] <mib_4v9jre1s>	The code is supposed to be making a tables for an extension that i made ut it's not working
[20:35:40] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37710 10/trunk/extensions/BugzillaReports/: 
[20:35:40] <CIA-54>	Back out BugzillaReports extension for now:
[20:35:41] <CIA-54>	* License described as "unknown" -- please find out before committing other peoples' code to our repository!
[20:35:41] <CIA-54>	* Contains register_globals + allow_url_fopen arbitrary PHP code execution bugs -- please do at least basic safety cleanup before committing code.
[20:35:58] <jlerner>	you're trying to install SocialProfile mib_4v9jre1s  ? 
[20:36:29] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Correct
[20:36:40] <jlerner>	what happens when you run the script?
[20:36:45] <mib_4v9jre1s>	but i'm getting an error that the tables dont exsit
[20:36:53] <jlerner>	what's the error?
[20:37:13] <mib_4v9jre1s>	A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
[20:37:24] <mib_4v9jre1s>	(SQL query hidden)
[20:37:33] <mib_4v9jre1s>	from within function "UserProfile::getProfile". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'mathimages.user_profile' doesn't exist (neon.mathforum.org)".
[20:37:38] <siebrand>	brion: oops :) It has been licensed GPL already, though.
[20:38:33] <mib_4v9jre1s>	I just clicked on my user profile
[20:38:41] <jlerner>	you're running: php install.php ? 
[20:39:22] <mib_4v9jre1s>	When i run php instal in terminal - it says that the tables have been installed finr
[20:39:25] <mib_4v9jre1s>	fine
[20:40:19] <mib_4v9jre1s>	except when i instal the table again - it says that thet table have been installed fine - except i feel like it should bing and error saying the tables exsit
[20:41:02] <jlerner>	does table mathimages.user_profile exist?
[20:41:19] <brion>	siebrand: well, mark it as such and fix the glaring security holes, then feel free to recommit it :D
[20:41:36] <mib_4v9jre1s>	how can i check? How do i log onto my sql i have th passwords and stuff
[20:41:58] <siebrand>	brion: I asked the dev. to request commit access. I'll inform him of this.
[20:42:09] <brion>	super
[20:42:32] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s: are you familiar with mysql? do you have access to phpmyadmin to see what's happening in your database?
[20:43:11] <mib_4v9jre1s>	im not familiar to  mysql - but i do know that i have access to everything
[20:43:16] <jlerner>	after logging into mysql and selecting the correct database, try "show tables;"
[20:43:20] <FunPika>	brion: Do you know how to fix the CentralAuth error in http://rafb.net/p/DNsmoo16.html ? 
[20:44:48] <mib_4v9jre1s>	where is phpmyadmin
[20:45:05] <jlerner>	it may not be installed
[20:45:31] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37711 10/trunk/extensions/redircite/redircite.php: Noticed trivially exploitable HTML injection vulnerability; force-disabling this ext.
[20:48:54] <siebrand>	brion: replide.
[20:48:59] <siebrand>	brion: replied, too.
[20:49:29] <brion>	FunPika: sounds like you haven't set up all the configuration infrastructure that CentralAuth needs
[20:49:57] <brion>	you need $wgLocalDatabases at a minimum; possibly an InitialiseSettings.php containing setup for a SiteConfiguration object
[20:50:10] <davidmccabe>	I'm looking at a 1.9 installation that has openid monkeypatching strewn all over it. Is that a proper extension now?
[20:51:20] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37712 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php): 
[20:51:20] <CIA-54>	Revert r37642 for now ('Added possibility to filter by protocol in "list all links" mode.'):
[20:51:20] <CIA-54>	* doesn't properly validate $protocol when building like query for protocol-only case, could lead to ugly slow arbitrary queries
[20:51:20] <CIA-54>	* no : added to protocol -- will match false positives (eg 'http' matching 'https')
[20:51:23] <RoanKattouw_>	Subfader: Hi
[20:51:31] <Subfader>	hi :)
[20:51:43] <Subfader>	still tweaking your body
[20:51:54] <RoanKattouw>	I noticed
[20:52:01] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Has anyone ever installed social profile
[20:52:55] <Subfader>	now adding some wucik help toggles
[20:53:42] <brion>	davidmccabe: there is an extension, but i haven't checked to ensure there's no monkeypatching involved :)
[20:53:46] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: I believe there's a wfMsg() variant that allows wikitext in the message
[20:54:35] <Subfader>	we solved it with $wgOut->parse('{{PageToInclude}}');
[20:56:57] <RoanKattouw>	That's kind of ugly though
[20:57:06] <RoanKattouw>	Which message(s) do you need to take wikitext?
[20:57:22] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Am I correct in assuming that a valid title can never contain any evil HTML?
[20:57:56] <brion>	no evil, but i can contain & which needs to be escaped in valid output
[20:57:57] <davidmccabe>	RoanKattouw: It can contain html-like characters but hey're escaped.
[20:57:58] <brion>	*it
[20:58:22] <davidmccabe>	hi brion.
[20:58:27] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Well the &s are no problem as I'm calling $wgParse->parse() on it anyawy
[20:58:29] <RoanKattouw>	*anyway
[20:59:05] *brion 	waves
[20:59:26] <brion>	RoanKattouw: ah, well a problem with wiki parsing is that a title may currently contain '' or '''
[20:59:41] <brion>	i would have banned this for consistency but neapolitan requires ''
[20:59:42] <brion>	*sigh*
[20:59:58] <brion>	consider using wfEscapeWikiText()
[21:00:10] <RoanKattouw>	Well [[Foo???Bar]] should still work then, right?
[21:01:09] <brion>	hopefully :)
[21:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page deletion not logged properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14826 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (beau)
[21:01:47] <RoanKattouw>	Well I'm gonna assume that if Title::newFromText() doesn't choke on $foo, "[[$foo]]" will be legal wikitext.
[21:02:05] <CIA-54>	03catrope * r37713 10/trunk/extensions/redircite/redircite.php: Redircite: Validating $input. This should fix the HTML injection issue.
[21:02:06] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Can someone tell me if the extension only works for Wikia - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:SocialProfile
[21:02:07] <Subfader>	Roan: Title/content section toggles http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/MediaWiki:Advancedsearch-content-help
[21:02:45] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Try wfMsgWikiHtml()
[21:02:55] <RoanKattouw>	Which, if I understand correctly, parses wikitext
[21:03:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659  (10gtisza)
[21:04:11] <RoanKattouw>	brion: CentralAuth really needs a proper manual
[21:04:11] <Subfader>	RoanKattouw: CHeck the special page. adds some comment stuff
[21:04:17] <brion>	prolly
[21:04:19] <Lendrick>	is it safe in mediawiki 1.12 to delete the old "cur" table left over from older versions, or is that still used for something?
[21:04:22] <RoanKattouw>	It's a miracle I managed to figure it out
[21:04:27] <RoanKattouw>	And I only did because I'm a developer
[21:05:03] <mib_4v9jre1s>	What infomation should be in adminsettings.php
[21:05:03] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Hi
[21:05:24] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Can someone please tell me if this extension will only work on wikia - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile
[21:05:26] <Subfader>	i use $retval .= wfMsgWikiHtml('{{MediaWiki:Advancedsearch-content-help}}'); now
[21:05:28] <RoanKattouw>	brion: BTW, how do you guys implement cross-domain SUL (i.e. being logged in at both en.wikipedia.org and www.mediawiki.org) ?
[21:05:41] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: wfMsgWikiHtml('advancedsearch-content-help');
[21:05:49] <StevenW>	anyone want to help me with a mainpage design issue?
[21:05:51] <Subfader>	eek :)
[21:06:00] <StevenW>	http://universaleditbutton.org
[21:06:06] <RoanKattouw>	mib_4v9jre1s: See AdminSettings.example.php or a similarly named file in the wiki root
[21:06:27] <Subfader>	yep. fine without parse then
[21:07:03] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Thanks Roan
[21:07:11] <RoanKattouw>	Well wfMsgWikiHtml() calls $wgParser->parse() internally
[21:08:21] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [ bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  +comment (10brion)
[21:09:05] <RoanKattouw>	brion: And (sorry to ask so many questions at once), did you read my request for a mediawiki-api-announce mailing list?
[21:13:48] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37714 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:13:48] <CIA-54>	Revert r37663 for now:
[21:13:48] <CIA-54>	"* (bug 13815) In the comment for page moves, use the colon-separator message instead of a hardcoded colon."
[21:13:48] <CIA-54>	"* So that this works properly, don't escape HTML entities in edit summaries. I
[21:13:48] <CIA-54>	don't see any good reason for them to be escaped there. Of course, this may
[21:13:49] <CIA-54>	result in old edit summaries displaying slightly differently if for some reason
[21:13:53] <CIA-54>	they included an entity, but in that case there's at least a 50% chance that
[21:14:03] <brion>	RoanKattouw: cookies set via images
[21:14:25] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[21:14:40] <RoanKattouw>	And how do you get those images to show up (at Special:Autologin I assume)?
[21:14:54] <RoanKattouw>	i.e. how do you configure cross-domain SUL? ;)
[21:16:44] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37715 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/Linker.php): Revert r37669: LinkerLinkAttributes hook doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. The parameters passed can't be modified, and they are escaped for output, making it unsuitable as a general extension hook.
[21:16:57] <brion>	with those config variables listed and documented in CentralAuth.php
[21:17:16] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm I'll have a look at that
[21:17:45] <RoanKattouw>	On your other revert (ApiQueryExtLinks): would simply doing $db->escapeLike($protocol) and adding that : be enough?
[21:17:47] <mib_4v9jre1s>	my php isnt creating the tables
[21:18:06] <mib_4v9jre1s>	was wondering if there is a way to make them directly
[21:18:19] <RoanKattouw>	mib_4v9jre1s: Import maintenance/tables.sql
[21:18:29] <RoanKattouw>	(through phpMyAdmin or something similar)
[21:24:13] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37716 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: 
[21:24:13] <CIA-54>	Cleanup from r37671 "(bug 14797), add Checkuser link to Contributions links. Patch by Nakon."
[21:24:13] <CIA-54>	* change mysterious "<?PHP" back to "<?php"
[21:24:13] <CIA-54>	* use proper formatting and escaping on the link parameter
[21:26:11] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s: try mysql < UserRelationship/user_relationship.sql
[21:26:12] <jlerner>	etc
[21:29:40] <CIA-54>	03catrope * r37717 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php): 
[21:29:40] <CIA-54>	Revert r37712 which was itself a revert of r37642 (filter by protocol in
[21:29:40] <CIA-54>	list-all-links mode). $protocol is validated already: only protocols in
[21:29:40] <CIA-54>	$wgUrlProtocols are accepted (line 168) and the : (and, if required, //) part is
[21:29:40] <CIA-54>	added in lines 57-65, making both reasons for the revert moot.
[21:31:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page deletion not logged properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14826  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[21:33:38] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37718 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Skin.php SkinTemplate.php): Revert r37709 so I can cleanly revert other changes to these lines
[21:35:45] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37719 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:35:45] <CIA-54>	Revert r37686, 37687 for now:
[21:35:45] <CIA-54>	"Improving extendibility of the sidebar improvements, css adding, and also JS variables."
[21:35:45] <CIA-54>	"* New hooks:"
[21:35:45] <CIA-54>	"** SkinSidebarSpecialBox and SkinSidebarOutputSpecialBox to allow extensions to add new custom boxes to Tim's new Sidebar system"
[21:35:47] <CIA-54>	"** SkinSetupSiteCss to allow extensions to modify and add new stylesheets to
[21:35:51] <CIA-54>	load into the page. This one allows for fine positioning and can be very useful
[21:39:40] <Subfader>	RoanKattouw: is there a way I can change the layout of the results list?
[21:40:34] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37720 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (77 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-07-15 23:25 CEST)
[21:44:16] <Subfader>	I can't find code for it. Think it's calling some MW standard from include/...?
[21:45:39] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37721 10/trunk/extensions/redircite/redircite.php: 
[21:45:39] <CIA-54>	Reverting r37713 -- insufficient input validation is not a replacement for proper output escaping.
[21:45:39] <CIA-54>	";alert(document.cookie);' is a perfectly valid title, but will still inject executable JavaScript into the output.
[21:45:43] <siebrand>	brion: do you know if pipermail uses some kind of blacklisting? A mail of mine to wikitech-l didn't get through, lost in void. I am in a hotel in Germany on a Swisscom wireless connection, sending through my regular ISP's mailserver... Just resent. Same result (failed).
[21:51:25] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37722 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Set revreview-ak-review, accesskey-ca-current, accesskey-ca-stable to optional
[21:53:49] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37723 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php): Revert r37717 -- if you didn't like the other reasons, the fact that it obviously wasn't tested and breaks the example might interest you.
[21:54:34] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37724 10/trunk/extensions/ (58 files in 57 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-15 23:25 CEST)
[21:55:45] <brion>	siebrand: pipermail is just the archiver
[21:56:08] <siebrand>	brion: oh well: s/pipermail/listserver
[21:59:43] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: It's in AdvancedSearchPager.php, function formatRow()
[21:59:56] <Subfader>	cheerio
[22:00:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Interwiki links not using the protocol specified in interwiki.iw_url, breaking https servers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14827 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (hightowe)
[22:01:17] <brion>	siebrand: no ip blacklisting in mailman specifically, but there may be some in our spamassassin
[22:01:35] <brion>	or your local isp may just be filtering things out weirdly
[22:01:40] <siebrand>	brion: damn. Hmm, I could try my webmail.
[22:02:02] <brion>	iirc usually ip checks will be done on the server that's connecting, though, not on something listed earlier on in the chain, but i could be wrong
[22:03:32] <brion>	*sigh*
[22:03:33] <brion>	Fatal error: Multiple access type modifiers are not allowed in /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.5/extensions/EmailPage/phpMailer_v2.1/class.pop3.php on line 318
[22:03:47] <CIA-54>	03catrope * r37725 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php): Redoing r37642 ('Added possibility to filter by protocol in "list all links" mode') *really* right this time, the example broke because I had 'http' instead of 'http://' on line 78.
[22:04:15] <RoanKattouw>	What does that mean? public private function?
[22:05:20] <brion>	probably
[22:05:27] <brion>	i'm too tired to try fixing it, i'm just reverting crap that's broken
[22:05:47] <RoanKattouw>	Well since that's what you usually do with the API anyway, I didn't notice ;)
[22:05:57] <brion>	:D
[22:06:03] <RoanKattouw>	Not that I blame you though, the API code is pretty complex and few people know it really well
[22:06:18] <RoanKattouw>	Only three, actually
[22:07:29] <CIA-54>	03brion * r37726 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Revert r37619, 37620 -- creates fatal PHP parse errors in at least class.pop3.php and makes it hard to tell what happened because the files move around at the same time as they're changed.
[22:07:59] <siebrand>	brion: crap. Will probably be sent 3 times. Look like my first mail got stuck for an hours somewhere in Switzerland.
[22:08:31] <brion>	RoanKattouw: last version looks good thx :D
[22:08:37] <brion>	heh
[22:09:12] <Cobraz0r>	Hello
[22:09:27] <Cobraz0r>	I have a problem with my thumbnails..
[22:09:27] <brion>	Cobraz0r: sounds like imagemagick is no longer installed or has moved
[22:09:34] <Cobraz0r>	 They dont show up and this is the error: Fault when making thumbnail: sh: /usr/local/bin/convert: No such file or directory
[22:09:36] <brion>	ensure it's installed and update the path if necessary in your LocalSettings.php
[22:09:51] <Cobraz0r>	How can i check it's installed?
[22:10:05] <Cobraz0r>	http://nl.wikibond.org/wikibond/index.php?title=Aston_Martin_DB5_%28Schaalmodel%29 see this.. also white near the thumbs
[22:11:15] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37727 10/trunk/extensions/ (EmailArticle/ EmailPage/): 
[22:11:15] <CIA-54>	Recommit r37619, 37620 in 2 goes, without phpMailer update.
[22:11:15] <CIA-54>	* rename directory
[22:11:45] <RoanKattouw>	Cobraz0r: Get to a command line and run "which convert" (without the quotes)
[22:12:08] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Latest version of what? extlinks or redircite?
[22:12:27] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: It's already been sent twice
[22:12:35] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: yeah, 3rd underway :(
[22:12:46] <Cobraz0r>	In PHPMyadmin?
[22:13:06] <RoanKattouw>	Cobraz0r: No, in the shell, you know, the DOS-like thing
[22:13:15] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37728 10/trunk/extensions/EmailPage/ (8 files): 
[22:13:15] <CIA-54>	Recommit r37619, 37620 in <s>2</s> 3 goes, without phpMailer update.
[22:13:15] <CIA-54>	* rename files
[22:13:37] <Cobraz0r>	My hoster dont let the client do that..
[22:13:55] <RoanKattouw>	Cobraz0r: Then try other common paths, such as /usr/bin/convert
[22:14:15] <RoanKattouw>	If those fail, try contacting your host to verify convert is installed and ask where it's located
[22:14:24] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: What are you doing in Switzerland then?
[22:14:38] <brion>	RoanKattouw: extlinks
[22:14:41] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: nothing. I am in Hamburg, using Swisscom wireless.
[22:14:47] <brion>	redircite was still bad :(
[22:14:48] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[22:14:55] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Oh yeah right, I forgot
[22:15:56] <RoanKattouw>	brion: What I don't see, is how using "alert('foo');" as a title is gonna be evil when it becomes [[alert('foo');]], which becomes <a href="/wiki/alert('foo');">alert('foo');</a>
[22:16:04] <Cobraz0r>	I will discus it
[22:16:26] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: Alright, so you e-mails are traveling from Hamburg to Harlingen through Switzerland xD?
[22:16:38] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: guess so.
[22:16:41] <brion>	RoanKattouw: you're totally missing the big fat vulnerable line :)
[22:16:48] <brion>		$redirciteMarkerList[] = "<span onmouseout='this.firstChild.innerHTML = \"$input\";' onmouseover='this.firstChild.innerHTML = \"{$title2->getPrefixedText()}\";'>$link2text</span>";
[22:16:57] <RoanKattouw>	Oooooh
[22:17:02] <RoanKattouw>	Oversaw that one
[22:17:06] <brion>	:)
[22:17:14] <RoanKattouw>	Gotta use htmlspecialchars($input) there I guess
[22:17:25] <RoanKattouw>	And on $title2->getPrefixedText() as well
[22:18:52] <Cobraz0r>	My hoster has not installed PHPMyadmin, and is an budgethoster.. but i think i have did something wrong maybe at the upgrade from 1.8 to 1.12. Can i install imagemagic without shell? Have you got an link? Is it possible without shell? my hoster is very on his security rules.
[22:19:16] <RoanKattouw>	Cobraz0r: No, you can't install IM without a shell
[22:19:26] <RoanKattouw>	Even with one, it would be non-trivial
[22:19:26] <brion>	RoanKattouw: also avoid using single quotes to hold attributes
[22:19:43] <brion>	while legal, the default output of htmlspecialchars() leaves ' intact, so it tends to be dangerous
[22:20:00] <Cobraz0r>	Roan: may i have the link? I will discuss it ;)
[22:20:02] <brion>	consider using Xml::tags to build the tag
[22:20:19] <RoanKattouw>	Well I use both type of quotes: 'foo.innerHTML="bar";'
[22:20:26] <RoanKattouw>	So how would that work?
[22:21:08] <DanielFriesen>	brion: r37686, the functions available to allow extensions to add styles to the page all have issues... Worst of all the ones that work do it in poorly placed locations of the page
[22:21:28] <brion>	RoanKattouw: ok you have two issues here, because you have several layers of string abstraction :)
[22:21:35] <brion>	going from inner to outer:
[22:21:44] <brion>	1) you need to escape the content of the JavaScript string literal
[22:22:05] <brion>	2) you need to escape the content of the XHTML attribute (the whole bit of JavaScript code)
[22:22:16] <brion>	these each need different escaping functions
[22:22:28] <RoanKattouw>	Well htmlspecialchars() will handle most of 1), except for single quotes, right?
[22:22:31] <brion>	one for escaping JS string literals
[22:22:37] <brion>	and a second for escaping HTML text
[22:23:12] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait I'm mixing up levels here
[22:23:23] <brion>	you can use Xml::escapeJsString() and htmlspecialchars(), constructing the XHTML element yourself manually with those escaped bits
[22:23:24] <RoanKattouw>	I gotta escape " to conform to 1)
[22:23:35] <brion>	or you can use Xml::escapeJsString() and Xml::tags()
[22:23:52] <RoanKattouw>	Right, so that'd be htmlspecialchars( Xml::escapeJsString($input)) in that order right?
[22:24:00] <brion>	something like that yes 
[22:24:02] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I could, but it's 0:22 so I just wanna get it done and go to sleep :P
[22:24:03] <mib_4v9jre1s>	If i log onto my mysql using terminal and just copy and paste this will it work? http://pastebin.com/m4225c736
[22:24:22] <RoanKattouw>	Probably
[22:24:24] <brion>	though i'd recommend htmlsepcialchars()ing the entire JS code, not just your variable
[22:24:31] <RoanKattouw>	Are slashes in table names allowed?
[22:24:32] <brion>	:D
[22:24:38] <brion>	RoanKattouw: god i hope not
[22:24:48] <RoanKattouw>	Look at the latest pastebin link
[22:24:49] <brion>	prolly not since table names are filenames...
[22:24:53] <Simetrical>	Probably yes, if you escape them properly.  :(
[22:25:20] <mib_4v9jre1s>	escape?
[22:25:25] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Maybe, but there's not much interesting in the rest of the JS code except for \" which works well
[22:25:36] <brion>	RoanKattouw: there isn't now :)
[22:25:40] <brion>	there might be some day
[22:25:44] <brion>	it's cleaner to just do it right
[22:25:48] <RoanKattouw>	True
[22:25:51] <brion>	easier to maintain, too
[22:25:54] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s: might be easier to just run mysql ...someoptions... < import.sql
[22:26:26] <RoanKattouw>	brion: I guess I'll use Xml::tags properly then, sacrificing 15 mins of sleep for maintainability :P
[22:26:29] <mib_4v9jre1s>	i know very little mySQL 
[22:26:34] <brion>	:D
[22:26:49] <brion>	ok it's almost 1:30 in cairo and i've got to be up for more grueling tourism in the morning
[22:26:52] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s:  you were able to login to mysql - just pass those same options -h -u -p etc. 
[22:26:53] <brion>	so i'm going to run to bed
[22:26:55] <RoanKattouw>	mib_4v9jre1s: Well your SQL looks fine, apart from the slashes: I don't really know whether those are allowed in table names
[22:27:02] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Good night, and good luck
[22:27:06] <Dantman>	bleh
[22:27:07] <brion>	mib_4v9jre1s: i'm pretty sure the slashes aren't legit
[22:27:21] <brion>	is that your db table prefix? if so..... you may have to change it :)
[22:27:24] <brion>	gnight all
[22:27:25] <RoanKattouw>	Better use some other kind of table prefixes, e.g. with underscores
[22:27:40] <jlerner>	yeah this table prefix "/mathimages/" doesn't look good
[22:27:55] *jlerner 	chimes in with the obvious
[22:28:11] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37729 10/trunk/extensions/EmailPage/ (4 files): 
[22:28:11] <CIA-54>	Recommit r37619, 37620 in <s>2</s> 3 goes, without phpMailer update.
[22:28:11] <CIA-54>	* update files (renamed functions, etc)
[22:28:11] <CIA-54>	* had to rename message 'emailarticle' to 'emailpages' because of conflict with core.
[22:28:22] <jlerner>	mib_4v9jre1s: do you have a prefix on your other tables?
[22:28:33] <jlerner>	e.g. 'wikipage' vs. just 'page'
[22:29:36] <mib_4v9jre1s>	okay what if i log in and type in """ use mathimages """ then just copy and paste this http://pastebin.com/mf02a04a
[22:30:07] <RoanKattouw>	That should work
[22:30:38] <mib_4v9jre1s>	is it okay if they are one after the other?
[22:31:09] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37730 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Update for r37727-r37729
[22:31:24] <RoanKattouw>	mib_4v9jre1s: Sure
[22:31:32] <RoanKattouw>	The line breaks don't matter
[22:31:58] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw = api guy ?
[22:32:08] <RoanKattouw>	You can also leave out all lines with --- at the beginning since they're comments
[22:32:10] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Yes
[22:32:11] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: thanks for fixing my json error bug
[22:32:20] <mib_4v9jre1s>	Thank You
[22:32:24] <RoanKattouw>	Wasn't just JSON, affected all formatters
[22:32:31] <RoanKattouw>	Only for the unknown_action error though
[22:32:31] <exobuzz>	oh.. ;-)
[22:32:39] <siebrand>	Simetrical: gotta love some drama for promotional purposes now and then ;)
[22:32:44] <exobuzz>	i guess xml parsers would be less fussy never noticed with them
[22:32:48] <exobuzz>	but my json parser choked
[22:33:22] <mib_4v9jre1s>	i got this - ERROR 1064 (00000): You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '/mathimages/user_profile (
[22:33:29] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: i wonder about the different examples to getting different "tokens" when most are shared ?
[22:34:02] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Firefox's XML parser choked too
[22:34:08] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: They are now, but that might change
[22:34:09] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: aah ok
[22:34:31] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: i see. i wonder perhaps a "token" call to get the tokens, which would be easier than the current mix of methods ?
[22:34:32] <RoanKattouw>	mib_4v9jre1s: That's probably because of the slashes (/) in the table names, which aren't allowed. I recommend you replace them with underscores (_)
[22:35:06] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Currently, all tokens can be gotten through prop=info (even block and unblock), except for rollback, which really applies to revisions, which is why it's in prop=revisions
[22:35:09] <exobuzz>	i handle various edit tokens in one piece of code, with lots of logic depending on the type of token
[22:35:35] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: they can ? oh. hmm. maybe something for the wiki page, since i thought they need to be gotten via each method
[22:35:39] <exobuzz>	as illustrated
[22:35:39] <RoanKattouw>	Well *FOR NOW* (not making any guarantees for the future), you can rely on the fact that edit/move/protect/... tokens are identical
[22:35:46] <RoanKattouw>	Don't depend on action or page
[22:35:51] <exobuzz>	i get them separately but cache them
[22:35:54] <exobuzz>	in my perl module
[22:36:36] <RoanKattouw>	Right. Well *currently*, all those tokens are the same and don't depend on the page
[22:36:49] <RoanKattouw>	So *currently*, you can just request one token and cache that (except for rollback)
[22:37:01] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: i made this: http://search.cpan.org/~exobuzz/MediaWiki-API/
[22:37:11] <exobuzz>	yeh i dont cache rollback tokens
[22:37:31] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Alright. Well I'm not gonna look at it since I don't know Perl an it's 0:36
[22:37:56] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: sure. well. its just a low level api layer. so it almost wirks just like calling the request from a php code
[22:38:06] <exobuzz>	api.php -> json -> perl hashref
[22:38:19] <exobuzz>	+ upload support
[22:38:37] <RoanKattouw>	hashref == associative array, i.e. array with string keys?
[22:40:35] <mib_4v9jre1s>	IT WORKED THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH!
[22:41:03] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: a pointer to a hashref which may contain arrays or more hashrefs to more arrays of hasref or whatever
[22:41:09] <exobuzz>	so like a tree structure
[22:41:30] <exobuzz>	but yes
[22:41:32] <RoanKattouw>	Isn't it really the same as a multidimensional, associative array?
[22:41:54] <exobuzz>	yes..
[22:41:56] <exobuzz>	:)
[22:43:23] <exobuzz>	except if you have a hashref with an array of hashrefs in it,, you deal with it a bit differently in perl than from php
[22:44:07] <Mww113>	Hey all
[22:44:20] <Mww113>	The database lock file is not writable. To lock or unlock the database, this needs to be writable by the web server << what is the file I need to chmod?
[22:44:50] <RoanKattouw>	Mww113: Look in the /var/lock directory, might be in there
[22:44:56] <Mww113>	ok
[22:45:07] <Mww113>	I dont see a /var/ dir
[22:45:24] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37731 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/aliases.txt: Last one EmailArticle -> EmailPage (I hope)
[22:45:28] <RoanKattouw>	In the top directory of the filesystem, there should be a /var dir
[22:46:06] <Mww113>	hmm
[22:46:08] <Mww113>	I dont see it
[22:46:19] <RoanKattouw>	That's very weird
[22:46:55] <Mww113>	there is no /var dir in /home/mww113/htdocs/html/w/
[22:47:24] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37732 10/trunk/extensions/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki
[22:47:31] <exobuzz>	 / means the root.. so ../../../../ from  /home/mww113/htdocs/html/w/
[22:47:33] <exobuzz>	:)
[22:48:24] <RoanKattouw>	Mww113: Of course there isn't, wouldn't make much sense if MySQL put its log file in the MediaWiki directory, would it?
[22:49:20] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: although i love how iis puts it logs in c:/windows(or winnt)\system32\logs etc and then a helpful name like wsc342
[22:49:21] <exobuzz>	:)
[22:49:38] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Well that's Windows, can't expect anything sensible there
[22:50:08] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: hold on though. you do know mspaint is getting an update for windows 7 right ? i know. now you want to take it all back eh!
[22:50:09] <exobuzz>	:)
[22:50:33] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Add a nbsp before colon in the comment of page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13815  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:51:00] <RoanKattouw>	Well you can't *expect* stuff to make sense there. Some things make sense, but some don't, and which is which is more or less random
[22:52:06] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: btw.. on your api, it doesnt mention in the docs that all parameters can be passed as form posts if wanted 
[22:52:21] <exobuzz>	just thought id mention that. since i use that (its actually easier)
[22:52:28] <RoanKattouw>	Not that I know of, only that some modules only accept POST
[22:53:10] <exobuzz>	well i use post for everything and it seems to work great. i prefer that..
[22:53:37] <exobuzz>	(it is to do with the www module i use.. easier to build a hasref of form parameters than to build a querystring)
[22:53:41] <exobuzz>	hashref
[22:54:39] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: do you know how fast the various interfaces are ? ie.. json seems to have a lot more code than making the xml output. and of course. the serialize is probably the quickest, but least supported in other languages
[22:55:03] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: I don't know, I never benchmarked them. Feel free to ;)
[22:55:14] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: no general idea even ?
[22:55:58] <Bjelleklang>	is there a list somewhere of the hidden fields and values required to make an edit in mediawiki (1.12)?
[22:56:01] <RoanKattouw>	I think serialize() is fastest, the others I don't know
[22:56:11] <exobuzz>	k
[22:56:16] <RoanKattouw>	Bjelleklang: Why not use the API's action=edit (included in 1.13) ?
[22:56:32] <RoanKattouw>	Bjelleklang: If you can't, for some reason, see the HTML of the edit form
[22:56:38] <Bjelleklang>	haven't tested that one, trying to expand on a bot
[22:57:07] <RoanKattouw>	Well apart from the fact that 1.13 hasn't been released yet (will be in a week or so), the API is preferable
[22:57:23] <exobuzz>	i can vouch for the 1.13 edit functionality
[22:57:34] <exobuzz>	i ran it though an edit of >2000 pages
[22:57:36] <exobuzz>	;-)
[22:57:54] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: It's a little unstable in connection with extensions that use EditPage hooks
[22:57:59] <exobuzz>	+ rollback /move / delete
[22:58:12] <RoanKattouw>	Which can't really be solved other than by rewriting EditPage.php completely, which I'll do some day
[22:58:33] <Bjelleklang>	ok, will probably give 1.13 a shot then :)
[22:58:38] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: ok.. i didnt test that case. used on a wiki with only a few extensions
[22:58:49] <Simetrical>	What's the difference between using API edit, and just submitting a POST to the usual edit location?  Does it make a difference where you POST to?  Extra options or something?
[22:59:05] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Far better error handling?
[22:59:14] <exobuzz>	it is easier to script and dont need to parse html 
[22:59:15] <Splarka>	Bjelleklang: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Parameters_that_are_needed_to_save
[22:59:28] <RoanKattouw>	Or to rephrase: you'll get errors in a format you understand, not HTML mixed with UI crap
[22:59:31] <Simetrical>	Hmm, right, error handling.
[22:59:34] <Simetrical>	Right.
[22:59:56] <Bjelleklang>	thanks Splarka :)
[23:00:07] <Simetrical>	Seems a little weird to maintain a whole separate interface.  An extra GET parameter would make more sense.
[23:00:11] <exobuzz>	the only thing i dont use the api for is file uploading, and for that my error handling is.. response code = 302 it was ok. response code 200 etc it wasnt (but i dont parse to see why)
[23:00:11] <Simetrical>	Less code duplication.
[23:00:16] <Splarka>	Bjelleklang: despite error handling, you may wish to support both writing to api.php and to index.php
[23:00:17] <RoanKattouw>	Bjelleklang: Of those parameters, you can get wpEditToken through the API (prop=info&intoken=edit&titles=Foo)
[23:00:43] <Splarka>	because wgEnableWriteAPI is disabled (currently) by default and not all wikis will switch it on at the same time
[23:01:00] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: There's hardly any duplication, all the API does is feed its parameters to EditPage and prettify the error if any
[23:01:23] <RoanKattouw>	Also, <edit result="Success" /> is preferable over a 302 redirect to index.php?title=Foo
[23:01:23] <Bjelleklang>	doesn't really matter, I have access to the server :) not a wikimedia wiki
[23:01:45] <Splarka>	you can get the content via the api, &prop=revisions&rvprop=content  as well as the starttime and edittime via other rvprop
[23:02:33] <CIA-54>	03catrope * r37733 10/trunk/extensions/redircite/redircite.php: *Really* doing the redircite thing right this time (I hope), now using Xml::escapeJsString() and Xml::tags() to escape stuff.
[23:03:13] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:03:35] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: the success 30x of uploads/edits is very annoying indeed
[23:04:18] <A_Bach>	hello can i set maximagesize user can upload? sth like 800x600 
[23:04:23] <Splarka>	do you think it might be worthwhile to have &redirect=no supported by them? eg <input name="redirect" value="no" type="hidden"> would prevent the redirect and give a generic success msg
[23:06:08] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: I don't know
[23:06:18] <RoanKattouw>	But in the future all that wouldn't be needed
[23:06:18] <Splarka>	(obvously just using the API is much better, but apiwrite isn't always enabled)
[23:06:19] <Splarka>	k
[23:06:25] <RoanKattouw>	For 1.14 I'm gonna rewrite EditPage
[23:06:45] <RoanKattouw>	And to enable action=upload I need to change lots of stuff
[23:06:56] <RoanKattouw>	Because the upload code is loaded with HTML errors all over the plcae
[23:07:06] *Splarka 	shudders
[23:07:24] <Splarka>	the problem is, the upload system has so many warnings?
[23:07:54] <Splarka>	I mean, you upload a file, it warns you it is too big, a silly name, or it had to change spaces to underlines, or the file already exists, or the mime type is odd... but still lets you save it
[23:08:10] <Splarka>	also, it doesn't make you reupload when it gives a warning, how will the API handle that?
[23:08:11] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Those are all HTML. It's hell
[23:08:18] <Splarka>	will it give you a re-verify token?
[23:08:20] <RoanKattouw>	In the API, I'll probably add a supresswarnings parameter
[23:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	If not set, warnings will be treated just like errors and the image won't be saved
[23:08:44] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:08:47] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:08:49] <RoanKattouw>	If you see the warning and wanna ignore it, resubmit with &supresswarnings
[23:08:58] <RoanKattouw>	(Or suppress them right from the start, if you want to)
[23:09:01] <Splarka>	right
[23:09:11] <Splarka>	but how about a third state
[23:09:21] <Splarka>	in which the success message also includes all warnings for future reference
[23:09:33] <RoanKattouw>	Could be done
[23:09:33] <Splarka>	(or is that on by default anyways)
[23:10:00] <Splarka>	will you support upload by URL?
[23:11:27] <Splarka>	A_Bach: I don't think that is possible, but you can set a max byte size
[23:12:21] <A_Bach>	Splarka: and what if i cant edit php.ini? $wgMaxUploadSize is no efect  on the normal upload 
[23:12:22] <Splarka>	A_Bach: you can also set $wgMaxImageArea which will not thumbnail an image over a certain resolution
[23:13:06] <Splarka>	(but the full version is still available)
[23:13:48] <Splarka>	hmm, $wgMaxUploadSize should affect normal uploads
[23:13:59] <RoanKattouw>	!table | Cobraz0r 
[23:13:59] --mwbot--	Cobraz0r: For help on creating tables in wikitext, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables>
[23:14:18] <jlerner>	anyone want to guess why SocialProfile extension would generate spurious "Someone, probably you from IP address 66.246.180.133, has registered an
[23:14:18] <jlerner>	account "Joshua" with this e-mail address on " email messages?
[23:14:20] <Splarka>	(although not local uploads)
[23:14:25] <A_Bach>	Notes  * This option has no effect on the normal upload feature! When uploading files from your local machine, this setting currently has no effect (for at least versions 1.9.3 through 1.11.1). To limit these uploads, you need to modify php.ini. See [1] and [2] for details.
[23:14:33] <jlerner>	this is when updating your personal profile...
[23:15:09] <Splarka>	A_Bach: did you try it, via non-local uploads?
[23:15:12] <Splarka>	also see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgImageLimits
[23:15:26] <Splarka>	which will let you limit the pre-available thumbnail options
[23:15:57] <A_Bach>	Splarka: i tryied only with uload to serwer from my comp
[23:16:03] <Splarka>	odd
[23:17:08] <Splarka>	I guess it only affects upload by URL, that's silly
[23:18:23] <jlerner>	ugh - socialprofile calls User::sendConfirmationMail()
[23:20:36] <RoanKattouw>	!template | Cobraz0r 
[23:20:36] --mwbot--	Cobraz0r: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[23:33:43] <Dantman>	:/ How are you supposed to discuss the rationale of a few hooks when brion goes to bed by the time you wake up
[23:34:34] <RoanKattouw>	Dantman: It's called e-mail ;)
[23:34:46] <Dantman>	Aaaaarrrrrggg...
[23:34:59] <Dantman>	I haven't been able to access my e-mail for half a week
[23:35:23] <Dantman>	:/ And every time I post to that list nearly everyone ignores me
[23:35:50] <RoanKattouw>	Or wait till Brion's back from Alexandria
[23:36:07] <Dantman>	Well, I hope I can contact him before he branches
[23:36:38] <Dantman>	These are 3 perfectly useful hooks, and things are just going to get complecated and ugly if they have to wait till 1.14
[23:37:30] <RoanKattouw>	Gonna go to bed now
[23:37:32] <RoanKattouw>	Bye all
[23:38:03] <Cobraz0r>	Me2, ciao
[23:50:51] <exobuzz>	is the mediawiki captcha still uncracked ?
[23:51:22] <exobuzz>	i was reading an article earlier, and I wondered on how good the mediawiki captcha is
[23:51:32] <exobuzz>	(confirmedit extension)
[23:53:51] <OverlordQ>	considering it's not really needed for vandalism, there's no real point in trying to break it
[23:54:06] <exobuzz>	well. that is true only for wikipedia
[23:54:15] <exobuzz>	but mediawiki is used for many sites
[23:54:29] <exobuzz>	some (like mine) require registration to edit
[23:54:48] <OverlordQ>	not really worth the time to break it for small sites
[23:55:06] <exobuzz>	well.. it is number rather than size surely ?
[23:55:13] <exobuzz>	like phpbb used on lots of small sites
[23:55:34] <Simetrical>	exobuzz, the captcha is fairly primitive and I'd be very surprised if it wasn't cracked.
[23:55:47] *Splarka 	heard something from Wikia about Xrummer seeming to solve their captcha, which was derived from confirmedit... maybe
[23:55:58] <Simetrical>	At this point, honestly, any large software project's captcha is going to get cracked, unless it allows custom fonts or similar.
[23:56:02] <exobuzz>	Simetrical: i did suspect that.. is there an easy way to add an additional field to a regitration page ?
[23:56:15] <Simetrical>	You'd have to find a hook to do it, I guess.
[23:56:18] <Dantman>	ConfirmEdit does allow custom fonts
[23:56:30] <exobuzz>	interesting. a custom font would do the trick
[23:56:40] <Splarka>	Simetrical: any captcha can be cracked, even if by humans. You hear about porn sites and pirate sites having potential users solve remote captchas to access content?
[23:56:44] <OverlordQ>	xrummer?
[23:56:56] <Splarka>	er, whatever it is called
[23:57:27] <exobuzz>	i wonder if something in the base code would be handy for other users. where they can have a simple "question/answer" which was specific to their site
[23:57:31] <OverlordQ>	yea but as with MW you can't really re-use the captcha
[23:57:44] <Simetrical>	Splarka, I don't think that's widely used, though.
[23:57:56] <exobuzz>	from phpbb to other systems, quite often the answer is something simple like aunique question, and i wonder if it might be a simple easy addition tot he base code
[23:57:56] <exobuzz>	?
[23:58:13] <exobuzz>	- typos
[23:58:19] <Simetrical>	In practice, I think OCR is good enough these days so someone who knows what they're doing can semi-reliably crack any captcha that's even semi-readable to humans.
[23:58:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support Microsoft SQL Server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767  (10dj.bauch)
[23:59:19] <Simetrical>	Of course, for something like MediaWiki with no limit on the number of captchas you can miss in a row, even a 1% success rate would be completely sufficient to defeat the captcha.
[23:59:20] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: if you do it fast enough, you don't have to reuse it
[23:59:32] <OverlordQ>	yea I started working on doing the mw captcha, and I really suck at it, so I 'm sure anybody halfway competent could have it broken rsn
[23:59:55] <Splarka>	your bot hits a captcha, duplicates the image to the parallel porn site, where it is shown to a user "TO prove you are human and see our nasty cum-guzzlers, please solve this captcha", and then the output is given to the mw captcha