[00:00:01] I suppose, instead of prequeing captchas to break you dont request one from MW until you have a harmaz to break it [00:00:12] if you have high throughput, it should only take seconds, you could even have a quorum of 3 users solve it at once [00:00:37] Splarka, that requires you to have access to a site with as many human hits as you make robot hits on other sites. [00:00:45] Doesn't scale if you operate any large network of spambots. [00:01:05] sure, but for someone doing bulk lookups or domain registration, it might be worth it [00:01:06] Just coding up some OCR is almost certainly more useful. [00:01:14] heh [00:01:41] Of course, you can also pay a team of people $0.50 an hour in China to do it. How many captchas can someone solve a minute? 20? [00:01:42] i was originally intending it for ACC until accountcreator group was added lol [00:02:07] "I need to make an article called "Portal: Still Alive"" <-- Haha, tough luck. [00:02:22] I was wondering when we'd have one of those, if we haven't already. [00:02:31] has happened before [00:02:38] Project: comes up with that [00:02:41] Ah, right. [00:02:45] Should be bunches of those. [00:02:49] and a few interwiki links IIRC [00:03:21] "es: everyone's favorite segment register" [00:03:23] someone is abusing the colon too much (what is this, a prison movie?) [00:03:43] *Simetrical is an assembly-minded mood, having spent the last three days obsessing about assembly-optimizing a totally pointless computational program for fun [00:03:56] What is what? [00:05:51] colon ascii character used as the delimiter and magic character in too many places, but colon also a part of the body, that is abused in prisons [00:05:58] is a pun you see [00:06:45] heh, complex humor doesn't work often enough [00:07:08] It has to have a complex setup to work. [00:08:10] "How do I link to an image/category without it embedding the image/category, or transclude a main-namespace page?" "Stick it in your ass" "what?" "I mean, insert colon" [00:08:19] uncomplex version [00:26:26] 03(mod) Support Microsoft SQL Server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:54:39] hi [00:55:01] where can I find the attributes of div#p-navigation in MediaWiki? [00:55:11] dvdb, what do you mean "attributes"? [00:55:20] CSS attributes. [00:55:45] div#p-navigation { /* I am searching that */ } [00:56:04] I search in CSS files of Wikipedia's MediaWiki. [00:56:10] using theme "monobook" [00:56:58] dvdb, skins/monobook/main.css should have the bulk of the CSS for that. [00:57:33] ChrisiPK: skins/monobook/main.css [00:57:59] width: 11.6em; [00:58:00] :) [00:58:03] yea :-) [00:58:44] 03leon * r37734 10/trunk/extensions/SelectCategory/ (3 files): [00:58:44] * Updated SelectCategory to work with the current MediaWiki core. [00:58:44] * Changed it to use checkboxes instead of scrolling lists for selecting. [00:58:44] * Some minor code reformatting. [00:58:44] Patch by Lambert Lum. [00:59:55] ah hmm das kanns aber nicht sein [01:00:51] why? [01:01:10] weil ich dieselbe breite f?r pdds quickbar gesetzt hab und die ist jetzt viel kleiner [01:09:32] hmm kA ich find das nicht [01:09:43] hab es jetzt n?herungsweise angepasst, dvdb [01:09:55] und, gehst jetzt? [01:10:19] ja es kommt jetzt schon pixelm??ig hin bei meiner aufl?sung [01:10:26] aber den richtigen wert hab ich nicht gefunden [01:23:56] 03(mod) LanguageConvertor should always use interface language for conversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14823 +comment (10shinjiman) [02:23:36] Has anyone here used SocialProfile ? [02:50:12] HI. Does the PHP 6.0.x glitch happen on an Intel Core 2 Duo? [02:50:43] Eh? PHP6 glitch? [02:50:53] Are we even PHP6 compatible yet? [02:51:10] Mediawiki:Upgrading to 1.12 [02:52:31] That page says nothing about PHP6 [02:53:23] PHP5 or later... Meaning you can run MW on PHP4... You can't rely on 5 or later meaning php6 is supported when php6 isn't even out [02:54:04] I assume he meant 5.0.x. [02:54:33] And I think it will happen on any 64-bit OS, regardless of processor. [02:55:04] Well... last time I checked even intel's dual cores were 32bit... [02:55:43] Um. [02:55:58] All Intel dual-cores are 64-bit, AFAIK. [02:56:05] O_O [02:56:08] Maybe not some of the older ones, but definitely Core 2 Duo is. [02:56:25] But it makes no difference if you're running a 32-bit OS. It will just use the 32-bit instruction set, which still works. [02:56:32] Mhmm [02:56:40] Intel 64 is Intel's implementation of x86-64. It is used in newer versions of Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium Extreme Edition, Celeron D, Xeon and Pentium Dual-Core processors, and in all versions of the Core 2 processors. [02:56:42] yay wikipedia [02:56:53] *Simetrical has just been writing lots of assembly code, trust him on x86 architecture issues! [02:57:18] ^_^ Now of only Wikipedia helped me contact brion about hooks [02:59:15] why bother, he'll just revert it anyways :P [03:00:36] push Dantman [03:00:36] addl $4, %esp [03:04:15] int $0x84 [03:15:27] Which interrupt is that? [03:15:29] :/ he already did [03:15:46] Of course, push doesn't actually affect the contents of whatever you push. [03:16:01] subl Dantman, Dantman would be more effective. [03:16:05] So I need to poke him on why they're valid addionts [03:24:41] ola, tenho um problema com a instala??o do mediawiki [03:25:35] alguem pode me ajudar? [03:26:46] *Dantman needs to build a tool that can guess what language a a phrase of text is in [03:28:20] Dantman, portugues/portuguese :D [03:28:33] heh [03:28:43] ^_^ I guessed either es or it [03:29:03] hello all [03:29:07] my english is very bad :( [03:29:21] ^_^ Bet you that my portugese is worse... rotfl [03:29:30] hehe [03:30:02] hey - anyone have an Iphone? [03:30:19] well, with me english bad.. i have a problem with instalation [03:30:52] i make a donw of mediawiki on version 1.13 now [03:31:13] anyone here a commiter? [03:31:17] and return this : Warning: domdocument::domdocument() expects at least 1 parameter, 0 given in C:\wiki\w\includes\parser\Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 574 [03:31:27] Fatal error: Call to undefined method domdocument::loadXML() in C:\wiki\w\includes\parser\Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 576 [03:31:29] Ohh... that old issue [03:31:36] !dom | selton [03:31:36] --mwbot-- selton: If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see for details) [03:31:55] ronpackard: Depends, what do you want? [03:32:54] I'm a skinner with a css mod for the iphone.. [03:33:25] Oh... well that's a little big... My computer is crap so I wouldn't be able to test and review it [03:33:37] Dantman, thanks for your help and sorry for my english. :D [03:34:10] Dantman: I'd like to have access to test it. [03:34:11] ^_^ Don't worry... you type better than my ex... And she's not foreign [03:34:25] ;) [03:37:13] Dantman: Are you from portugal? [03:37:23] Canada [03:37:40] Nice, I've been to Vancouver and BC. Loved it. [03:38:05] *look's at Simetrical's comments from a while ago* [03:38:13] Simetrical: what are you doing that requires assembly code? [03:39:12] I'm in Palo Alto.. Not sure how exactly to hack Gabriels code, and need to test that. [03:41:47] gotta go for now.. [03:42:23] Smaug, personal entertainment. [03:42:31] Optimizing a trivial program by rewriting it in assembly. [03:42:38] Currently 377 lines. [03:43:56] Simetrical: wow. i have to say that's pretty hardcore. [03:44:13] now [03:44:26] does assembly mean 0s and 1s? 0.o [03:45:23] . . . [03:45:23] no. [03:45:51] Do you know what I mean when I say C is lower-level than, say, PHP? [03:46:05] If so, assembly is to C as C is to PHP, in terms of level of abstraction. [03:48:01] Simetrical: ok [03:48:04] i knew it was lower [03:48:07] if i set up mediawiki on windows, how easy is it to move it to linux later? [03:48:08] i didn't know how low [03:48:24] i thought i was overestimating or something [03:48:39] anyway, still good for you [03:48:52] i think i understand [03:49:18] CatEater, should be reasonably easy in principle. It would mostly just be porting the database. [03:50:01] lest i show more ignorance, i'm going to say goodnight and sign off. goodnight! [03:52:20] good morning; 05:52 in Switzerland. [03:54:00] gnome-terminal resident memory: 291.4 MiB. Shared memory: 8.4 MiB. [03:54:04] Stupid piece of trash. [03:54:12] Maybe I should use Konsole just for this. [03:54:32] I have to restart the thing like every two weeks. Terminals are *meant* to be kept open in the background forever. [03:54:52] 03demon * r37735 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/ (Timeline.i18n.php Timeline.php): Localize this more. Also, fix some XHTML validation errors on using 'name' instead of 'id'. Uses patch by Platonides for bug 14727. [03:55:29] It was using close to as much memory as freaking Firefox. [03:55:34] 03(mod) Non-conformant XHTML in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14727 +comment (10innocentkiller) [03:56:41] And nautilus using 50.9 MiB (21.3 shared), gedit using 42.3 MiB (17.1 shared), honme-panel using 40.7 MiB (13.3 shared). How is it something that just displays a directory can be using 30 MiB of resident memory? [03:58:21] Nautilus is using about half as much RAM as XChat, which has . . . 18 windows open. [03:58:31] Most of them with days' worth of logs in them. [03:59:25] To be fair, when I kill it its RAM usage only drops by 6 MiB, and some of that is shared, so it's not like it's necessarily leaking. [03:59:53] *Simetrical goes to bed before he raises his blood pressure too much over pointless things [04:03:05] 03demon * r37736 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/Timeline.php: Syntax error. Dunno how that crept in. [04:04:07] {{DISPLAYTITLE:blah}} will make the page title appear as "blah", yes? [04:05:04] <^demon> Provided "blah"'s real title is "Blah" (Or some other capitalization variant) [04:05:20] Oh [04:05:50] Is there a way to make it display a completely different title? [04:05:57] <^demon> Nope. [04:05:59] <^demon> It won't make "Happy" show up as "Birthday" [04:06:02] drat [04:06:10] hi [04:07:37] is anyone on? [04:07:55] <^demon> !ask | Bernstein229 [04:07:55] --mwbot-- Bernstein229: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [04:08:06] ok [04:08:43] I just installed a wiki on my website [04:08:44] and [04:08:45] Wikimedia has problem? [04:08:50] I want to change the main page name [04:08:51] false channel, sry [04:08:51] from [04:08:58] oh [04:09:11] no [04:09:23] I want to change the main page name from [04:09:24] index.php5?title=Main_Page [04:09:27] to just [04:09:30] Main_Page [04:09:34] how do I do that? [04:09:46] do I redirect? [04:09:52] or do I do something else [04:10:01] <^demon> Do you mean using short urls like Wikipedia does? Or do you mean changing "Main Page" to something else? [04:10:10] like how wikipedia does [04:10:19] <^demon> Like wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:10:23] yes [04:10:31] <^demon> !shorturls | Bernstein229 [04:10:31] --mwbot-- Bernstein229: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [04:10:43] ok [04:10:44] thanks [04:10:49] <^demon> No problem. [04:13:24] 03(mod) Allow cross-wiki renaming by stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10011 +comment (10innocentkiller) [04:25:41] 03(mod) LanguageConvertor should always use interface language for conversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14823 (10fdcn64) [04:28:47] ???I want to get a wiki running for managing a periodical. Where people can come and submit articles. Anyone can edit them. And there would be a section that would list the currently accepted articles and so on. Doku, mediawiki or moinmoin? [04:29:05] ???Top requirements are: Ability to theme the wiki to make it less of a wiki and more of web 2.0 easy interface. Good revision control [04:29:16] mediawiki already works like that [04:29:37] and you can customize the look of skins through CSS [04:29:47] Does anyone have a opinion on all three? [04:29:59] Charitwo: You used the others? [04:30:35] I've used custom themed wikis before yes, and using a wiki as a place to submit periodicals where anyone can edit them. It already works like that. [04:30:58] You also have good revision control because you can easily use the history to go back to other revisions. [04:31:25] Charitwo: I meant doku and moinmoin [04:32:00] oh, just mediawiki works like that based on personal experience. I havent used the those two. [04:32:12] Charitwo: tough choice if you search the web. [04:35:05] MW does do good with revisions and diffs... it's not low quality like ones that only give current2past diffs... And you can merge and split using the move and delete pages... But it's linear, so don't expect something smart enough to handle branching and merging in a non linear way... [04:36:06] ^_^ Not like many wiki will do that though... svn doesn't even do that completely [04:36:41] Dantman: Can you comment on the other two? [04:39:05] MediaWiki has the skins system... and it can even be chosen in user preferences... It's done in raw PHP insted of something like a templating language, so it's not as clean, but it is good separation of the look from the ui [04:39:59] I don't know much about web2.0 though, I hear the term allot but never quite understood what it meant, even though I probably know the things it mentions from the other direction [04:41:34] web2.0 is a total B.S. abstract concept =^^= [04:41:54] whatever you want to be "in", you say it's web .20 and voila [04:45:49] 03(mod) Random Image extension doesn't work for shared repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7848 (10innocentkiller) [04:45:51] ^_^ My own web app needs a ui... [04:46:07] 03(mod) Random Image extension doesn't work for shared repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7848 +need-review +patch; +comment (10innocentkiller) [04:46:17] Though the routing system is nice [04:48:59] Is there a recommended way to generate a UUID in MW code? [04:49:22] I notice there's a PEAR module, which makes me suspect that PHP's built-in routine isn't adequate. [04:54:55] I mean PECL. [05:08:10] 'Ello Everyone. Is it possible that I can ask my question here, or is it to late at night and everybodys asleep? [05:08:32] can't tell unless you actually ask it [05:08:42] That's true. I'll move on and ask it then. [05:09:54] My question is simple. I have noticed that on many MediaWiki Websites they use the reference url like this "/index.php?title=Main_Page" whereas Wikipedia uses something like this "/wiki/Main_Page. [05:10:38] like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL ? [05:10:47] I would like to get it a lot more like the WikiMedia website present there information. Is there an extension existant to do it, or is that a core function of MediaWiki that needs editing? Completely correct. [05:11:07] It helps with search engine indexing etc. Is it possible to do so? [05:11:36] Also, note it's 1.10 AM EST Time here so I'm a bit fogged out. I might make spelling errors, etc. [05:12:20] Sorry puzzlet .. my common sense is done out too. lol [05:12:34] I've just noticed that link. I can't really think that straight this late. [05:12:38] Thank you for the link. [05:13:53] Hey, forgot to give a link to iphone compatible website: historicalwiki.org [05:16:12] I'm open to helping in other ways.. [05:16:32] kinky [05:17:04] 8-) [05:18:23] Do the link tables and such care about fragments? [05:18:39] OK, I have one more question for this evening (I think). [05:18:43] Or can I stuff some data in the fragment and get it back out later without the user noticing? [05:19:50] I would like to know if I can restrict the access in the preferences -> Skin to nobody on the website. I just want the default skin to be the one we have selected. [05:20:18] Nobody else can change the skin except for us (people who can edit LocalSettings.php). [05:20:40] why would you want to do that? [05:21:12] blurredpeace: 1) Probably you can only do that by editing the source. 2) That sounds user-hostile, so please consider whether you have a really, really good reason to do it. [05:21:29] Werdna: I'm guessing for advertising. [05:21:32] one way is and probably the easiest ways is to delete all the other skins.. [05:21:38] doh [05:21:41] thank you ronpackard. [05:22:17] sure.. [05:25:06] Advertising? We decided on it, because we did not provide a logo whereas in the other skins it would show the MediaWiki Logo. [05:25:20] Sorry was at the bathroom for a moments time. [05:25:47] We have no advertising on our website, and I highly doubt it will be ever put in place unless under dire circumstances. I'm not a believer of advertising. [05:25:58] i agree. [05:26:04] I actually think advertising is a good thing. [05:26:11] In theory, anyway. [05:26:31] it has it's places. [05:26:33] blurredpeace: not all of the skins use a logo [05:26:34] It informs customers of where they can get certain products/services, and it increases business for advertisers. [05:26:48] Unless it's popping up in my face I don't like it. It's why I use Ad-Block Plus to get rid of some of the ads. I don't want to start a war here though. [05:26:56] Lets not go off topic. [05:27:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?useskin=cologneblue [05:27:27] That's true Splarka. [05:27:32] that uses a piece of text, defined in MediaWiki:Sitetitle [05:27:55] We will remove any skins that contain the logo within them. Other than that the others are safe to stay. [05:28:19] It was my teams backup and my own decision that thought it would be best. Thank you for showing me otherwise to deleting all the skins. [05:28:28] enjoy [05:28:45] I surely will. :) [05:28:48] I started on the code to assemble the extra menu items on cologne blue, but failed to find the titles. [05:30:07] Just a few more questions. Can't make promises though. [05:30:25] Someone explain to me in there own words, not by a manual, what you would define a Wiki as. [05:31:03] We vs. I [05:31:15] Elaborate. [05:31:26] Define what a fruit is. [05:31:50] People working together to make something... Peachy. [05:32:54] A fruit would be defined in my own words as a good tasting food that is usually grown off trees, and other plants etc. [05:33:09] I think ronpackard hit the nail on the head though. [05:33:54] So it's a community of people who contribute there work to a project? [05:34:10] In a nutshell. [05:34:18] yeah. [05:34:42] iphone skin - my thoughts are pared down hiding most of the submenus. [05:34:54] probably hiding logo. [05:35:01] Now does this mean anybody is allowed to contribute or you can choose a set amount of contributors? [05:35:29] Authors if you will. [05:35:57] blurredpeace: Generally the term 'wiki' connotes editing open to all, but there are also closed and barriered wikis. [05:35:58] i don't think there's much way to limit people who have the knowledge.. [05:36:09] corporate wikis - mostly closed. [05:36:23] I was thinking of doing a Corporate Wiki in that case. [05:36:31] i've done a few of those. [05:36:34] who for? [05:36:37] Right, corporate wikis still count. [05:36:41] They're a great idea, too. [05:37:08] Now a corporate wiki is in the same amount covered to only the corporate employees having access to edit them, correct? [05:37:15] Sorry, I'm just trying to get the concept down here. [05:37:20] Stonehenge is a thing. Things like it were later called "henges", backformation. Stonehenge was found to be unique though, enough that it was no longer categorizable as a henge. You can run MediaWiki but you won't necessarily have a "Wiki" when you're done with it (at least in the popular view of a "wiki") [05:38:18] Splarka, you seem to like to use metaphorical terms. I'm the same way oddly enough. :) [05:38:35] That's an analogy, not a metaphor. [05:38:41] most fruits with the word "berry" in them are not bontanically considered berries, like strawberries, raspberries... berries are things like grapes, bananas, watermelons [05:38:42] While we're getting our terms straight ;P [05:38:44] Not here ofcourse .. to late for me to think like that .. an analogy. Sorry. [05:39:20] blurredpeace: Point is, there's no hard [05:39:21] erm [05:39:26] no hard-edged definition of what a wiki is. [05:39:46] If you're setting up a collaborative site that a group of people can edit through the site itself, it probably counts as a wiki. [05:39:58] Or at least, that's probably the most familiar and communicative term to use in the office fo rit. [05:40:03] *for it. [05:40:07] employees who are savvy with technology, and up with the times... I've been teaching my law firm to edit, with some buy-in on the corporate wiki [05:40:50] Hi, is it possible to do a shared upload respitory across different database and web servers? [05:40:54] what php function lops of n characters from the end of a string? [05:41:02] It's not really a corporate wiki in that sense but just for a website. It's not meant to store information about clients, or hold information of the nature I think your thinking of (I can't be to sure since I don't understand it completely myself). [05:41:26] So the Respitory is on one server, and the clients using it are on another? [05:41:39] check out packard.com - a corporate wiki.. [05:41:44] about the only fruit that is both a botanical berry and contains the word berry is the gooseberry [05:42:03] but some might call that redundancy [05:42:04] Prom3th3an: maybe NFS? Have you tried the FAQ? [05:42:42] I understand what a corporate wiki is now. [05:42:57] Yes I am setting up a Corporate Wiki. I am sure of it. [05:43:07] substr() [05:43:30] so how do you have two servers on a wiki? [05:43:35] a wiki is what "anyone can edit immediately", where "anyone" is vaguely defined [05:43:53] that seems more a free wiki.. [05:43:58] So anyone has a gray area. [05:44:00] davidmccabe: just looked, not there [05:44:09] Free wiki? [05:44:11] even on the most permissive, say wikipedia, someone stuck behind a broken proxy cannot edit due to the edit token corruption detection [05:44:39] (well, not the most permissive, but one of, not the english wikipedia which has anon page creation disabled) [05:44:41] Somebody without a computer can't edit either. [05:45:07] balderdash, 2549 [05:45:10] So anyone has gray area behind it while the rest of the statement is completely true. [05:45:33] gnu, or creative commons? Seems more common to be easily edited... although I guess some Corporate Wikis can be edited by anyone. [05:46:14] As another question what is the difference between Creative Commons and GNU? [05:46:21] baggage [05:46:32] Elaborate on that one too. [05:47:10] if only we had a large free encyclopedia where people could look this stuff up [05:47:11] it is harder to re-use articles that are GFDL (assuming CC-BY-SA and not -NC of course) [05:47:19] [citation needed] [05:47:25] yeah, where can we find one of those..? [05:48:03] I think Wikipedia would have gone with CC from the beginning, had it existed...? [05:48:34] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:License_update [05:48:41] flyingparchment: Do I need to include a header file to put assert() in a C++ file? [05:48:51] Werdna: [05:49:55] flyingparchment: works, thanks. [05:50:16] I will say it plain out in site. I'm not very clear on CC or GNU for any fact of the matter and I don't really have a clue on either of the licenses. I've never actually gone over to the site and read through the agreements myself. [05:50:44] You can either recommend me to go read those sites, or if I could ask, I would like the differences between them so I can understand what is decided in each. [05:50:44] blurredpeace: at least read the "for idiots" version. [05:50:45] Ok so does anyone now how to get a shared media respitory to work, when the other wiki is on a different server? [05:51:33] I'm not an idiot, and I can read the full version fine. It's just that I don't really have a lot of time in my day to go read license agreements. [05:52:03] blurredpeace: if you cant be bothered, why should they bother helping :P [05:52:10] blurredpeace: Yes, but the "for idiots" version is shorter :) [05:52:48] short short version: "The Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license is better suited for wikis; the GFDL was designed for software manuals." [05:52:57] That's also true Prom3th3an and really I have no answer to it. Thank you for clarifying that Werdna. [05:53:35] Splarka, thank you for providing the answer. Since it seems time has popped up in my day around 2 AM I'll go take a look now. [05:53:36] are most of you writing software or content developers? [05:53:40] blurredpeace: :) [05:54:07] I'm not much of a user of IRC either :) [05:54:26] blurredpeace: here is also a good read: http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Why_Wikitravel_isn't_GFDL [05:55:14] oop, is a redirect now, damn bookmarks [05:56:07] lol. I'm just reading through the GNU General Public License ATM. [05:57:45] So the GNU License allows you to copy, modify, and distribute a piece of work while the author still retains copyright but gives up a section of the said intellectual property. [05:57:47] Is that right? [05:58:29] Or the GNU GPL anyways. [05:58:41] it also requires full source (which for a document isn't usually applicable, but for a document created on a wiki usually means the full history and wikicode source) for certain numbers of copies (100+ I think) [05:59:04] as well as a copy of the GNU (CC just needs a link) [05:59:34] the gfdl is a really bad license for a wiki [05:59:48] it's meant for books, not 10-paragraph wiki pages [05:59:58] if you're gonna have a function getLinkAttributes, and put a hook in it, don't pre-compute the 'title' attribute and pass that in. [06:00:02] Pass in the information needed to derive it. [06:00:03] the GFDL seems more like a "Well, we wrote this nice code, but what about the documentation?" "Lets reword it a bit until it applies for images and text too, no one will care" [06:00:12] *davidmccabe bonks somebody on the head. [06:00:41] Well the thing with our wiki is that information doesn't really matter if it's copied but the articles hosted on vBulletin hold complete copyright to the work. [06:01:06] well, you don't have to choose a copyleft license [06:01:06] what is your wiki? [06:01:25] On the Wiki it's just homepage, Privacy Policy, and some other information that is just for end-users while the vBulletin is where articles are stored. [06:01:36] you can simply delcare that the owners hold all copyright, or even that the submitters release all content into the public domain (both such licensed-wikis exist) [06:01:59] PD has potential legal issues [06:02:08] better to go with a 'you can do whatever you want with this' license, imo [06:02:19] flyingparchment: what are the legal issues? [06:02:32] True, but our systems are better fitted with vBulletin and the system has already been set up in this manner. [06:02:34] Werdna: it's not clear whether all jurisdictions allow work to be released into the public domain [06:02:40] sure, but for private internal wikis it can be annoying to deal with freely distributable licenses and trade secrets or crap [06:02:49] flyingparchment: ah. [06:02:54] Simetrical: Are you responsible for getLinkAttributesInternal()? [06:03:02] 03(NEW) Add diffonly=0 to Special:OldReviewedPages links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14828 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (tim) [06:03:17] A new bug? [06:03:21] see you later.. [06:03:40] blurredpeace: yes, wikibugs is a robot that tells us when bugs are reported. [06:03:45] *Splarka tries to remember which mediawikis he's seen in the public domain, seemed some religion-based ones were [06:04:25] OK so now I've taken my time to learn the GNU GPL and I understand it (in a nutshell) [06:04:28] Ofcourse I haven [06:04:33] Splarka: www.mediawiki.org? ;) [06:04:37] (help pages are PD) [06:04:42] Ofcourse I haven't read the entire liscence yet* [06:04:53] flying: mediawiki help is a religion? [06:05:18] To some very religious supporters of MediaWiki it might be :) [06:05:24] heh [06:05:30] blurredpeace: well, what will your end users be? [06:05:51] My end users will be the general public. People looking for computer help, etc. [06:05:52] your own team or people all over the world? people who want to print out 100 copies of single articles, or dump the whole wiki to a CD and sell it? [06:06:25] (the major differences in CC/GFDL seem to manifest when it hits dead tree format) [06:06:34] 03aaron * r37737 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/OldReviewedPages_body.php: &diffonly=0 (bug 14828) [06:06:43] 03(FIXED) Add diffonly=0 to Special:OldReviewedPages links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14828 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:06:54] Man those are fixed fast.. [06:07:09] But on the other note we were speaking of. [06:07:13] Bugs are fixed fast when they have a clear assignee. [06:07:47] I don't think I will be circumventing the actual Wiki Design edited by anyone thing. [06:08:25] The thing we're setting up here is make mediawiki our home page for users to access who will be going to the support forums. [06:08:48] The actual articles, and work of the articles, will be stored on the forum, with MediaWiki linking there through an article named Articles Library. [06:08:50] well, you could cover all bases [06:08:56] dual license under CC/GFDL [06:09:11] that makes it harder to bring in content, but easier to have it going out [06:09:38] It's not like that .. we'll only have one author on one article at a time. [06:09:48] doesn't sound very wiki-like [06:10:00] (but the definition of a wiki is of course, vague) [06:10:13] I didn't want to break the wiki feel so I am putting the articles on the forums. [06:10:20] In this case not apart of the actual wiki. [06:10:21] When does this damned code slush end? [06:11:03] In a way I am slipping past it by having mediawiki (which is still editable by public) link to the forums which retain full copyright. [06:11:20] So the wiki is seperated from the forums in this way. [06:11:29] I hope I am making sense .. hard to think straight this late. [06:11:42] I'm just about to pop off anyways. [06:11:48] well, if you wish to let people start editing... [06:12:52] just delcare "submitters to this wiki must allow any license at all, as soon as we decide on one all future submissions and re-use will utilize it" or something [06:13:22] either you retaining full copyright, or them retaining copyright but giving you perpetual usage of the text, or gfdl/cc, or public domain, blah blah, etc [06:13:49] and then you could let the community vote on it (or whoever is in charge), at a later date [06:14:01] I am the leader. :) [06:14:09] heh [06:14:27]