[00:00:09] you see [00:00:11] Bjelleklang: "soon" [00:00:12] 1.13.. [00:00:17] The issue is I'm up in Canada, so there are some issues there [00:00:30] everyone is desperate for the new stuff! [00:00:34] (api edit... !) [00:00:49] Dantman: too many moose ? [00:01:22] Heh... nah, just visas, and travel, and I'm kinda stuck here... [00:01:41] well i hope your weather is better than here in the UK! [00:01:46] It's a lot of paperwork just to hire me since I'm in a different country [00:01:58] funny since id love to be stuck in canada ;-) [00:02:03] heh [00:02:28] ^_^ Stuck in Canada is alright... stuck in this house isn't... T_T The computer is shit [00:02:37] *Werdna stabs Dantman [00:02:46] no /._./ [00:03:14] you are stuck with an atari TT ? no wonder.. should have gotten an amiga [00:03:15] ;-) [00:04:02] Heh, no an old custom P4 which costed $600 a few years ago, and has been degrating constantly lately [00:04:08] :/ [00:04:23] i just spent ??82 on a 12 year old gfx card for a 16 year old computer.. i wouldnt worry [00:04:26] It has issues switching from one window to another [00:04:28] i feel hard done by also [00:07:37] gibt es irgendeine Ruby-Library die man f??r Mediawikis empfehlen kann? [00:07:41] aeh [00:08:01] is there any ruby-library, which can be recommended for using mediawikis? [00:08:10] for the api ? [00:08:13] What do you mean by that? [00:08:39] searching, manipulating (creating pages and such) and administration [00:08:48] So a bot? [00:08:51] via the online-interface [00:09:03] Eh? MediaWiki is the online interface [00:09:03] yeah, but rather a bot-lib, than a bot itself [00:09:08] via the api, or directly via the html pages? [00:09:23] Dantman: it would be possible to work directly in the database *evilgrin* [00:09:36] Bjelleklang, there's an API? [00:09:38] =) [00:10:07] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [00:10:07] well, JSharp was working on a MediaWiki bot framework in ruby at one point... though I don't know how that's gone, it's been a long time and he's working for Wikia now [00:11:16] the api uses xml, shouldn't be too difficult to build a small lib with the most common functions [00:11:45] Actually, I believe ruby works a bit more with yml, the api outputs that to [00:11:59] xml, yml, json, and serialized php [00:12:02] but if you're looking for some way to interact with wp through the normal web pages I've got no idea.. [00:12:19] oh? didn't know that. Have worked very little with ruby so far [00:12:35] oh right, the api does wddx and another format or two [00:12:58] no, not WP. we have an own mediawiki and i want to write for our jabberbot some utilities for interaction/automatization for the wiki :) [00:13:01] ^_^ In short, you can use the most comfortable library you want for parsing it [00:13:06] use perl and try my new api interface [00:13:07] ;-) [00:13:08] the api looks like a starting point, thx [00:13:09] :) [00:13:30] T_T Now if we only had a common lisp formatter [00:13:33] exobuzz: in fact, i'm rather a perlcoder.. but i don't want to reimplement the existing stuff... [00:13:41] http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/User:BuZz/MediaWiki::API/Documentation [00:13:49] or on cpan as Mediawiki::API [00:14:17] quite new.. report bugs please ;-) [00:14:34] uuuuh you're tempting me [00:14:35] :> [00:22:52] Bleh SpamDiffTool short circuts the extension functions use [01:11:35] Dantman: I've decided we really really do need to make all the Image related stuff much much better [01:12:04] mhmm, and? [01:12:25] nothing much.. [01:22:36] Are any Intel 64-Bit processors affected with the PHP 5.0.x glitch? [01:23:28] So Intel 64-Bit processors need to run on PHP 5.1.x or 5.2.x? [01:24:18] hi, i'm having this problem with mw and pg [01:24:44] Decroix: is that any `this problem` in particular? [01:24:50] the tsearch2.sql script seems to run just fine (fedora 9, contribs installed via rpm) [01:25:00] sorry, im a rather slow typist [01:25:04] np [01:25:05] and so i get the [01:25:19] ERROR: relation "pg_ts_cfg" does not exist [01:25:52] it seems to me that relation should be created by the tsearch2.sql script, yet that does not seem to be the case [01:25:57] so where ddoes it come from ? [01:26:19] !staff [01:26:19] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "staff". [01:26:38] frogger3140: you might get on better in ##php [01:26:39] Ok, [01:26:55] frogger3140: I believe it affects any 64bit php's, but it's best anyways to use a later version [01:27:09] Ok, [01:27:10] os's* [01:27:25] 'Cause I Have a Macbook Air [01:27:29] Actually, if you use a 64bit cpu, but a 32bit OS you might be alright [01:27:43] But the easiest method is just to use a later version [01:27:50] Running on Leopard [01:28:03] It gets you more features, and sometimes more security [01:28:27] ok, [01:28:40] some extensions may even be using php functions that require 5.1> [01:29:35] I think my discussion is over. Can I log this on my PC? [01:30:04] ^_^ Don't think private logs matter [01:30:42] I think this is publicly logged... And I log privately for myself [01:33:10] so does anyone know why the relation 'pg_ts_cfg' is not in my database, and how i might get it in there ? [01:34:11] i also miss pg_ts_(cfgmap|dict|parser) [01:34:40] *cirwin has never done it with pg, sorry [01:35:55] cirwin: right then, sucks, thanks :) [01:39:30] is there any reason why Special:ImageList is all non-standard and ugly? [01:57:41] Need to display information? [02:04:12] and the other special pages don't need to display information? ;) [02:07:04] Well, I mean a large ammount [02:07:32] Images have a fair bit extra needed data like a thumb, size, type, etc... so it's an ugly table format [02:07:34] All it needs to display is the filename [02:07:48] ^_^ We have another list for that purpose [02:07:55] the other page lists don't give the most recent author, date or edit summary [02:08:13] Neither do most of our lists [02:08:22] exactly, so why does it? [02:08:25] and why is it blue.. [02:08:29] heh [02:08:41] and why does it have large pointless buttons even when there is nowhere to go [02:08:46] it irritates me :) [02:09:01] Guess the person who made it thought differently than most of the other software pages [02:09:16] i suppose so [02:09:20] ^_^ Then clean it up... split it off... or give options to tweak the output [02:09:37] I'll certainly clean it up [02:10:12] But do remember that if you're just removing something it's more likely to be reverted [02:10:33] in which case it'll just be for me.. [02:10:41] like the changes to ImageGallery and ImagePage [02:11:01] actually the ImageGallery ones would be useful to others [02:11:13] If you're doing something like that, it's much simpler for you to create an extension with a new special page [02:11:28] I just added $wgGalleryWidths $wgGalleryHeights and $wgGalleryTitleLength [02:29:19] ^_^ I used to hate the idea of Gmane... but I actually think this might be interesting... I still don't want to reply through gmane, but using it for getting things from the lists sounds nice [02:29:50] I lost my e-mail for a week, trying it now and I see a number of messages I would've missed using normal e-mail [02:35:23] hey everyone [02:41:53] i'd really like to make phpmathpublisher work [02:52:20] 03(NEW) Diff doesn't work with internal links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14852 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (simonell) [02:53:12] 03(mod) Diff doesn't work with internal links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14852 (10N/A) [04:14:48] !wgScriptPath | MostafaDaneshvar [04:14:48] --mwbot-- MostafaDaneshvar: I don't know anything about "wgscriptpath". [05:28:01] hey guyz is it possible to get the WYSIWYG in mediawiki or are there extensions or ext. java script that could automate the whole editing proccess.. I find my users really reluctant to contribute coz they have to learn d syntax is their a simpler way out? [05:29:01] use fckeditor [05:29:30] !fckeditor [05:29:30] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "fckeditor". [05:29:43] you know nothing [05:30:54] !e FCKeditor node100101 [05:30:54] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FCKeditor [05:31:02] *Charitwo pats elnovato [05:34:58] thanks bro.. [05:35:03] hw good is it? [05:35:07] and its pros and cons! [05:35:29] i was beginin to make the video tuts etc for makin it easier for the user to understand the syntax [05:39:44] hello guys! [05:42:40] can you give me a starting point? i want to write a little parser hook like i did for getfullurl and getlocalurl by doing something like: $wgHooks['GetLocalURL'][] =& $this; now i want to do some processing when a latex template would be rendered and insert my own stuff there - how is this done? [05:45:46] node100101: do yo ahve those videos online? im facing the same problems [05:47:46] nope bro.. im doin it now.. [05:48:28] 03(mod) Page deletion not logged properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14826 +comment (10tikiwont) [05:49:28] elnovato, well an interesting site however is http://askdrwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physician_Medical_Wiki [05:59:42] 14(DUP) Page deletion not logged properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14826 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [05:59:43] 03(mod) Log events occassionally not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12129 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:00:15] There really needs to be a channel specifically for templating issues. [06:01:30] what would it be called? "#mediawiki-wikicode" ? [06:02:02] Like right now I am trying to figure out the best way to code a parser function to add italics or not to a link. [06:02:53] {{#if:title|yes|''}}{{{PROJECT}}}{{#if:title|yes|''}} is the only thing I can think of. [06:03:09] dirty [06:03:16] Splarka, very. [06:03:52] {{{PROJECT}}} [06:04:05] {{foo|PROJECT=[[Foo]]|italic=italic}} [06:04:16] or [06:04:43] Actually, it is better to call it oblique. [06:05:43] *Lady_Aleena swipes Splarka's code. [06:06:01] theerf [06:06:07] TeeHee [06:06:23] As for channel name #mediawiki-templates [06:06:52] Just a thought, though getting people to sit there woudl be another matter. [06:07:20] s/woudl/would [06:15:45] 03(mod) Diff doesn't work with internal links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14852 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [06:39:08] !mwbot [06:39:08] --mwbot-- Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [06:40:34] 14(WFM) Add #sizeof: function to ParserFunctions extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14851 +comment (10pathoschild) [06:45:30] What is the number for article talk pages? 1? [06:48:47] yes [06:50:11] *Lady_Aleena blurbles. [06:50:37] Lady_Aleena: yep [06:51:04] Okay, how would I write #if:ns:>1 ? [06:51:34] {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Talk|yes|no}} [06:51:36] {{#ifexpr:{{NAMESPACE}}>1|yes|no}}? [06:51:48] what they said :P [06:51:54] we said different things [06:52:02] Actually, if the namespace is anything other than article space. [06:52:04] I say right thing [06:52:13] {{NAMESPACE}} returns word, not number [06:52:31] lame. [06:52:34] sofixit [06:52:43] you need to spend less time writing mediawiki and more time using it ^_^ [06:52:46] yeah, I hate backwards compatibility. [06:52:47] note to self, "Lesson 29174, Splarka is always right"; [06:52:54] I do use MediaWiki [06:53:07] I just write stuff in PHP, not template [06:53:17] This one bit is going to give me a big headache. It was supposed to be simple! [06:53:19] fair [06:53:30] Lady_Aleena: would you like to check for any talkspace? [06:53:42] {{#ifeq:{{TALKSPACE}}|{{NAMESPACE}}... [06:53:48] then you know you're in a talk namespace [06:53:55] Actually, I would like it to check the namespace the talk page is attached to. [06:54:13] elaborate? [06:54:24] maybe you want a full #switch [06:54:25] I am writing an alternative WikiProject meta-banner. [06:54:30] 03river * r37837 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSawffull.spec TSgd.spec): [06:54:30] TSgd: graphics library [06:54:30] TSawffull: web stats program based on webalizer [06:54:35] {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}} [06:54:43] |Talk= Article talk [06:54:50] |User talk=User ... etc [06:54:56] |#default=a subject space [06:55:13] Splarka, yes, I know, I did that in another section of the template already. :) [06:55:18] fair [06:56:00] Wait! Um, how specific is {{NAMESPACE}}? [06:56:41] If I had if {{NAMESPACE}}=Category on a category's talk page, would that be true as well? [06:56:53] no [06:56:56] no [06:57:01] Figures. [06:57:21] So, I would need to do {{NAMESPACE}}=Category talk [06:58:08] well [06:58:15] you can do {{SUBJECTSPACE}} [06:58:22] that will be "Category" on Category: and Category_talk: [06:58:33] same for {{TALKSPACE}} only always returning talk [06:58:47] Well, the freaky thing is that it is working without the talk added. [06:58:51] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Page_names [06:59:45] Maybe not...let me try something. [07:00:40] All of you are right, I'm the idiot. [07:01:58] OMG! I love you guys. [07:02:12] {{SUBJECTSPACE}} worked like a charm1 [07:02:13] ! [07:02:32] hey now, not so forward, buy us dinner first [07:02:52] Consider me a little sister who loves her big siblings. [07:04:00] Now this banner can go anywhere! [07:06:04] ahh, the banner is the loose one, then [07:08:17] Oh boy, I broke it bad. [07:09:31] i'm not really comfortable with the latex workaround, using the public latex parser at forkosh [07:09:43] i'd like to make phpmathpublisher work [07:11:10] Great, now it is worse. Sorry for butting in Xiong. [07:11:56] *Werdna tickles Lady_Aleena [07:12:14] Werdna, would you like to help me debug this? [07:13:06] sorry for butting in aleena [07:13:32] Lady_Aleena: what in particular? [07:13:34] Xiong, I am just rambling on about this template I am writing which is giving me headaches. [07:14:07] sorry to interrupt is there any way to change the default font and color in mediawiki i want to keep the font as verdana and color as blue [07:14:11] Werdna, I am still trying to figure out what I am doing wrong with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lady_Aleena/Test_banner [07:14:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Test_banner actually. [07:15:27] node100101: change it in site-wide css. Do you want it just for one skin or all, just for content or UI too? [07:15:50] Lady_Aleena: I'm afraid I don't speak template. [07:15:58] only for user written content instead of black i want it to be navy and verdana [07:15:59] i don't see any obvious reason why it's wrong [07:16:06] Werdna, darn. [07:16:15] i have some knowledge of templates [07:16:26] *Xiong scrolls back [07:16:28] Xiong, I am missing something somewhere. [07:17:22] you want to do tricky stuff with namespaces? [07:18:27] Xiong, yes. [07:18:44] Splarka, i want the font to be verdana and color navy to be displayed after the page has been saved [07:18:54] okay, right away, i think the page is a bit crazy [07:19:06] you are transcluding itself into itself [07:19:13] Xiong, WikiProject banners are NUTS! [07:19:17] node100101: #content, #bodyContent, #mw-content { color: #000066; font-family:verdana,arial,sans-serif; } [07:19:23] into MediaWiki:Common.css [07:19:36] Xiong, well, most templates do have a sample on their pages. [07:19:39] what i'm saying is, that is a tricky thing -- something i would not do ever in any case [07:19:45] note it won't override things like 
 and #contentSub that define color or font already
[07:19:51] 	now maybe you want to do it and it does seem to work
[07:20:08] 	but it is not central to the *other* tricky thing, that does not work, correct?
[07:20:09] 	also note: you want to have a web safe font as the fallback, leave arial and sans-serif in there, if Verdana is not found on the user's system, it uses those
[07:20:31] 	otherwise it might use the next thing alphabetically, which can be a disaster, do not remove sans-serif
[07:20:41] 	from a methodology standpoint, let's isolate just one tricky stuff at a time?
[07:21:24] 	may i edit your thing? you can always roll it back later
[07:22:48] 	Hold on..
[07:23:01] 	Go for it.
[07:23:26] 	Roger that!
[07:23:38] 	well, first, let me try to be sure i understand which particular tricky bit isn't working for you
[07:23:39] 	Xiong, I think I know where I am going wrong, but I will wait to see what you do.
[07:23:51] 	{{#ifeq:{{{nested}}}|yes|
[07:23:56] 	Its the #ifeg bit...I messed that up.
[07:24:02] 	#ifeq
[07:24:04] 	you don't expect to see that
[07:24:48] 	"nested" is a formal named parameter, you expect to supply when you call the template, yes?
[07:24:54] 	and "yes" is its default
[07:25:08] 	looks to me as if you may have improper delimiter pairing
[07:26:05] 	so actually, i don't want to hack at it before i count braces
[07:26:06] 	Xiong, I don't have the "else" set up right.
[07:27:04] 	well, if the brace count is correct, that won't matter
[07:27:13] 	with you supplying a default
[07:27:23] 	i will tell you this, though
[07:27:36] 	"no" will test true, just as "yes" will, i believe
[07:28:13] 	Xiong, let me see what you have done 1 moment please.
[07:28:19] 	yes, your brace count seems to be off
[07:29:28] 	i only rm the examples
[07:29:56] 	03brion * r37838 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: 
[07:29:56] 	Cleanup for r37830 & earlier ($wgDirectoryMode default to wfMkdirParents()):
[07:29:56] 	Just check is_null() here. is_int() isn't necessarily safe, as numbers frequently get passed around in what are really strings. :)
[07:29:57] 	look at the talk page now
[07:30:30] 	I saw, and I think I fixed something else.
[07:30:45] 	look for mismatched braces within those includeonly sections, yes?
[07:31:07] 	since the transclusion looks good but the rendering on the template page itself is still wrong
[07:31:35] 	Great, there is a whole show/hide thing I don't understand in there.
[07:31:51] 	i say, don't use show/hide at all, it breaks in some browsers
[07:31:58] 	very frustrating
[07:32:45] 	Well, if it is nested, if the user wants to see the banner it has to be shown somehow. :S
[07:32:57] 	Why do I do this to myself? 
[07:33:01] 	And to you all?
[07:33:02] 	i don't understand "nested" in this context
[07:33:39] 	what's nested within what?
[07:33:50] 	I am trying to write a much simpler version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WPBannerMeta
[07:34:38] 	This would be nested within http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WikiProjectBannerShell
[07:41:18] 	03(NEW) Authors field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14853 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (pat.ckx1236)
[07:46:44] *Lady_Aleena 	taking a break.
[07:47:45] *Splarka 	glue's Lady_Aleena's break back together
[07:48:42] 	Thanks Splarka. I just wish that things were a bit simpler. With this template, I am having to learn even more than I thought.
[07:48:51] 	03(NEW) Tooltip and accesskey for 'Cite this page' toolbox link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14854 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (rockmfr)
[07:49:04] 	YOU HAVE HUGE ROD?
[07:49:13] 	The person who wrote the template is away until the 27th.
[07:49:33] 	03(NEW) Make 'new section' bold and 'edit this page' regular on talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14855 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (sean.van.der.smythe)
[07:49:46] 	Lady: heh, they'll come back to a surprise
[07:49:56] 	BLOW ME
[07:50:09] 	blown
[07:50:18] 	was it good for you?
[07:50:21] 	Splarka, I wish I could do that.
[07:50:27] 	03brion * r37839 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBlocks.php: Security fix for API blocks query -- ipb_anon field wasn't being loaded when querying for usernames but not flags, but this field is needed to tell whether a given row is an autoblock and needs the IP suppressed.
[07:51:07] 	I lost Xiong somewhere in the wild vastness which is templates, I think.
[07:51:09] 	why Lady_Aleena, you should blush!
[07:51:19] 	Whyfor?
[07:51:25] 	you wish you could blow him?
[07:51:39] 	Um, no.
[07:51:46] 	heh
[07:52:13] 	I wish I could kick people out who are that irritating.
[07:52:16] 	Theyellowdart on #pylons #xmonad #iphonedev 
[07:52:24] 	2 minutes later
[07:52:24] 	Theyellowdart on #hrwiki-fanstuff #hrwiki 
[07:52:33] 	oops, auto not anon. :P :)
[07:52:45] 	Hello brion.
[07:52:52] 	I think they're on a scavenger hunt to get banned from all the popular channels
[07:53:16] 	i'm not lost
[07:53:24] 	Xiong, you're back!
[07:53:27] *Lady_Aleena 	is relieved.
[07:53:40] 	didn't go
[07:53:45] 	Oh, okay.
[07:54:15] 	brion: If you want the screenshots from the delete queue stuff, I posted it on your blog as a comment
[07:54:28] 	Doubtless you've got pre-approval set up for comments with links, though
[07:55:01] 	tx
[07:55:21] 	I should have shown you yesterday.
[07:55:26] 	hey, do you know if they have the talks available for online viewing/listening or if it was just streaming?
[07:55:55] 	cause i sure don't know
[07:56:04] 	brion: I couldn't get either for yours.
[07:56:22] 	Somebody said you were talking, so I tried to find the stream.
[07:56:39] 	And I couldn't find any streams. And I can't find any places where I can do online viewing/listening either
[07:57:10] 	there's a handful on the library site but....... not many
[07:58:01] 	yeah
[07:58:16] 	shortage of streams in egypt?
[07:58:17] 	I figured I'll check back in a week or so and it'll all be on that kaltura thing
[07:58:21] 	more like e-gyped!
[07:58:25] 	Splarka: well, they do have the Nile.
[07:58:34] 	they are in de-nile
[07:58:45] 	pyramid scheme!
[07:59:05] 	
[07:59:34] *Werdna 	stabs Splarka 
[07:59:40] *Splarka 	bleeds on ya
[07:59:42] 	 /cs op #mediawiki && /kickban Splarka 
[08:00:12] 	op command also takes a parameter
[08:00:25] 	/cs op #mediawiki Werdna && /msg Fire Werdna is threatening to ban me!
[08:00:42] 	zomg
[08:00:47] 	(if he ever came around anymore, heh)
[08:01:10] 	Yeah, it appears he just came back and gave out some ops, then went away again
[08:01:40] 	there is always brion, but he's all like "IRC? what is that? This is notepad, You're all figments of my deranged mind!"
[08:02:24] 	:D
[08:02:55] 	he's on a mac
[08:02:58] 	it's something else
[08:03:01] 	hey brion :) how's wikimania?
[08:03:02] 	which doesn't include cut n paste.
[08:03:22] *Werdna 	takes a low blow at brion's iPhone, forgetting temporarily that he has one of his own.
[08:04:22] 	cut-n-paste is for wimps who can't remember 10-digit strings
[08:04:26] 	like me
[08:04:32] 	heh
[08:04:34] 	:(
[08:04:38] *Werdna 	consoles bri
[08:04:41] 	on
[08:05:18] 	*sniffle*
[08:05:43] 	morning
[08:05:47] 	(for some)
[08:13:06] 	brion: So your slides were very enlightening.
[08:13:20] 	You're one of those annoying people who doesn't read from the slide, so I can't not listen and just read the slide.
[08:13:37] 	>:D
[08:13:48] 	if i just read from the slide, why should i even be there?
[08:13:55] 	just put the slides on autoplay and i'll go take a nap in the back
[08:14:13] 	hehe
[08:14:32] 	well, all it told me is that 3 of the "things to come" things that you put up there were my stuff :P
[08:17:19] 	:D
[08:17:50] 	also that the abuse filter mediawiki page was ugly and had terrible spelling and stuff
[08:17:50] 	somebody was nice enough to write installation instructions.
[08:18:33] 	I give up for tonight.
[08:19:55] 	:D
[08:20:35] 	This show/hide thing is driving me nuts.
[08:21:34] 	03(NEW) Update GeSHI for fixing some highlighting issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14856 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (michael.frey)
[08:30:40] *AaronSchulz 	loves his car
[08:43:00] 	you should stop numerically versioning, call 1.13 "MediaWiki Excelsior Platinum" or something
[08:43:21] 	(then people will expect long delays)
[08:43:26] 	Is there a class which disables linking?
[08:43:50] 	whatcha mean 'disables'?
[08:44:01] 	?
[08:44:07] 	I mean there is class=plainlink but what about class=nolink
[08:44:13] 	as in, unclickable? no, unless you hide it
[08:44:29] 	Okeydokey, I keep forgetting about nowiki.
[08:44:35] 	a.nolink:after { content: "<-- DONT CLICK IT"; }
[08:44:38] 	.nolink a {display:none;}  (you'd need that added to sitewide)
[08:44:40] 	haha
[08:44:45] 	you could also fake it out
[08:45:17] 	I am working another template that I wrote from scratch, but want to disable linking if the template appears on a certain page.
[08:45:35] 	Lady: by any chance, do you want to disable linking if the page would end up linking to itself?
[08:45:58] 	Nope.
[08:46:03] 	.notlinkish a {color: black !important; text-decoration:none !important; background: none !important; padding: 0 !important;}
[08:46:11] 	 would kill the following.
[08:46:12] 	and whatever the cursor: is for arrow
[08:46:13] 	[[#{{{title}}} {{#ifeq:{{{fbooks}}}|1|novel|novels}}{{!}}{{{fbooks}}}]]
[08:46:16] 	Splarka: wouldn't inherit work better?
[08:46:27] 	mmm, probably
[08:46:36] 	good point (to a bad idea)
[08:47:11] *Lady_Aleena 	rethinks.
[08:47:18] 	why could you possibly need linking disabled?
[08:47:21] 	sounds fishy
[08:47:58] 	Cause they won't work on the parent page.
[08:48:32] 	doing something with {{#ifeq:{{SUBPAGENAME}}|{{FULLPAGENAME}}||}} ?
[08:49:21] 	I use that template on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Media_franchises where the links don't work. However, when used on, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Media_franchises%2C_1-C they work.
[08:50:37] 	which template again?
[08:50:56] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/MfTemplate
[08:51:26] 	which parameter does the link not work in?
[08:51:27] 	I'm working on a list to help a project.
[08:51:43] 	All of them. Each links to a heading.
[08:51:52] 	On the main page only, else they work.
[08:52:54] 	you mean the anchor links?
[08:52:58] 	Yes.
[08:53:15] 	so specify the page name too
[08:53:58] 	ACK! I was hoping to avoid that.
[08:54:12] 	Oh well. :)
[08:54:24] 	bah, well
[08:54:36] 	specify the page name and then check it against the link if you want
[08:54:59] 	{{#ifeq:{{{basepage}}}|{{PAGENAME}}|link here|text instead}}
[08:55:03] 	then it will only link if it matches
[08:55:25] 	but if you have the base page name, might as well [[{{basepagename}}}#anchor]] or whatever
[08:55:40] 	(well, basepagename is a bad choice, being close to a magic word)
[08:55:58] 	damn wikicode, can't live with it, and suicide is illegal
[08:56:50] 	Splarka, there is that.
[08:56:52] 	:_
[08:56:53] 	:)
[08:57:03] 	it's not illegal, but condemns you to a double-escaped wikisyntax hell
[08:58:39] 	http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040326.html
[08:58:41] 	heh
[09:01:06] 	-> Of course they didn't take matters as seriously as the Roman emperor Hadrian, who in 117 AD declared attempted suicide by soldiers a form of desertion and made it--no joke this time--a capital offense.
[09:02:30] 	Do you get to kill deserters?
[09:02:53] 	So... Who are the language experts in here????
[09:03:27] 	i have trouble with upload
[09:03:31] 	i have add $wgMaxUploadSize= 1040400;
[09:03:35] 	in Localsettings.php
[09:03:41] 	but i only could upload 2 MB files
[09:04:03] 	darian: what's the error?
[09:04:21] 	if i go to upload they show only 2MB
[09:04:29] 	post_max_size = 100M
[09:04:33] 	is in my php.ini
[09:04:46] 	; Maximum allowed size for uploaded files.
[09:04:46] 	upload_max_filesize = 100M
[09:04:53] 	and that in php.ini 
[09:05:16] 	so i not find my problem (use debian with apache and trunk version of mediawiki)
[09:05:19] 	did you ignore the message and upload a file?
[09:05:51] 	i got the errormessage
[09:05:52] 	Die hochgeladene Datei ist leer. Der Grund kann ein Tippfehler im Dateinamen sein. Bitte kontrolliere, ob du die Datei wirklich hochladen willst.
[09:06:59] 	03ialex * r37840 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ExtensionDistributor.php: fixed missing svn:keywords property
[09:07:02] 	Splarka, one way to legally punish suicide would be to take legal actions against relatives/close family, since it was their responsibility to keep you alive.. i don't know if it gets reinforced though, but i think it think it happened in the past, when mis-treated children ended up in suicide
[09:07:04] 	darian: restarted apache after?
[09:07:24] 	rainman-sr: yes, see the straightdope link, in europe property went to the crown
[09:07:27] 	what version are you using?
[09:08:48] 	darian: apache might have a limit as well
[09:11:20] *qsheets 	needs translators...
[09:12:01] 	Would the following work?
[09:12:03] 	{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Lady Aleena/Media franchises|Lady Aleena/Media franchises, {{{page}}}}}
[09:12:27] 	if {{PAGENAME}} returns that, yes
[09:12:46] 	I don't have to add User: in front of it?
[09:13:25] 	qsheets, what's the problem, just say it, someone might be able to help
[09:13:39] 	PAGENAME omits namespace
[09:13:43] 	use FULLPAGENAME for namespace too
[09:14:11] 	translate extension messages from english to all other world languages
[09:14:12] 	I will stick with PAGENAME.
[09:14:25] *qsheets 	has spanish done
[09:14:26] 	qsheets: http://translatewiki.net/
[09:15:33] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation_statistics
[09:15:46] *qsheets 	claims "Ohhhhh" and starts typing away
[09:16:46] 	Hi, Got a Bot related question
[09:16:49] 	En wiki
[09:17:12] 	the answer is: seek the blue faerie, they can turn the bot into a real boy
[09:17:34] 	Do  i need to get BA to run a simple supervised pywikipedia bot?
[09:17:50] 	that sounds like a wikipedia question, not a mediawiki question
[09:17:52] 	on a non continous schedule
[09:18:01] 	lol
[09:18:10] 	well most the bot people are here
[09:18:12] 	:P
[09:19:19] 	they are seeking the faerie with Splarka 
[09:19:23] 	^_^ Actually most of them frequent the bot channels
[09:19:34] 	rainman-sr: that sounds more than a little dirty
[09:20:26] 	for finding lost persons, $50/hr as a private dick. For dirty interpretation, $100/hr as a public dick.
[09:21:23] 	$5 donations cheerfully accepted for me to stop telling jokes
[09:22:08] 	heh
[09:35:32] 	TADA!
[09:36:22] 	?
[09:37:17] 	I did something to a template in my user space that made a table of links work.
[09:37:31] 	gj
[09:37:36] 	ty
[09:38:03] *Splarka 	gives Lady a cookie
[09:38:18] 	lol
[09:38:26] *Lady_Aleena 	hugs Splarka and eats the cookie.
[09:39:03] 	yay cookies
[09:39:04] 	http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t164/sirbartonslady/humor/whatthehellisthiscrap.jpg
[09:39:37] 	C is for cookie and cookie starts with C!
[09:41:02] 	It feels so good to have that table actually working.
[09:42:28] 	this is almost like a Google work environment, except that we're all not in one office
[09:42:48] 	We don't have their cafeteria either.
[09:42:53] 	^_^ And 99% of us don't get paid
[09:43:23] 	and "Be evil" is virtually the motto?
[09:43:45] 	Evil? ^_^ I'm starting *.spam.dev.wiki-tools.com
[09:44:03] 	Dantman: do you ever sleep?!
[09:44:10] 	lol
[09:44:14] 	Yes, on off hours...
[09:44:19] 	ok
[09:44:55] 	It's the weekend, and I have a good quality computer in front of me... Think i
[09:45:05] 	'm going to waste time with sleep
[09:45:26] *Lady_Aleena 	still wishes there were a way to add up all of the columns of the table.
[09:45:31] 	^_^ This machine can actually stream videos
[09:46:01] 	Umm... I think you can
[09:46:06] 	It's a little heavy though
[09:46:29] 	Dantman, I was told no a while ago, unless I rewrote the template I am using to make the rows.
[09:47:32] 	^_^ Oh... I thought you were talking about a database table... heh
[09:47:59] 	Dantman, no, a table on Wikipedia.
[09:48:04] 	There are always fancy things like SMW or the variables extension..
[09:48:10] 	Oh, ^_^ Then you're doomed
[09:48:20] 	Dantman, I know.
[09:48:24] 	heh
[09:48:55] 	Wikimedia is the only suite of wikis I edit. I don't go elsewhere anymore.
[09:52:26] 	I am tired, and therefor leaving, good night.
[09:52:42] 	Good Morning, Lady_Aleena 
[09:54:50] 	i want to do a little change in the logins page, what is more recommended; to modify that page or make an extension??
[09:55:37] 	Muny: what do you want to change about it?
[09:56:27] 	Muny: generally, the order of preference is this: 1) do it with system messages and/or local css 2) do it via hooks, in an extension 3) add more hooks so you can do it in an extension 4) hack the actual code
[09:56:28] 	a buttom that goes to another page
[09:56:47] 	you should be able to add a link simply by editing the appropriate system message
[09:57:04] 	making that link look like a button would be possible with css (if a little tricky)
[09:57:07] *qsheets 	forgets which one that is
[09:58:10] 	a border, background and some padding as well as text-decoration:none;, and offset padding to move the text sideways for :active,
[09:59:34] 	i will try it with this way, thanks
[09:59:48] 	Muny: the page to edit is MediaWiki:Loginend
[10:05:57] 	i thought it was userLogin...
[10:06:28] 	nope
[10:06:34] 	edit a page called MediaWiki:Loginend and it will appear on Special:Userlogin
[10:06:52] 	i said that page already
[10:07:07] 	I know, was just clarifying
[10:07:11] 	03(NEW) Problem in viewing page and script, bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14857 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (jwang1992)
[10:07:48] 	thanks!
[10:08:23] 	03(mod) Problem in viewing page and script, bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14857  15enhancement->minor (10jwang1992)
[10:11:23] 	is jwang here?
[10:12:13] 	03(NEW) Pages with timelines don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14858 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[10:13:24] 	14(INVALID) Problem in viewing page and script, bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14857  +comment (10herd)
[10:23:31] 	Hi! I need help.. :P
[10:23:31] 	I'd like to change my Mediawiki timezone... I looked here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Timezone but if I try to set $wgLocaltimezone = "Europe/Berlin"; I receive an error! (I'm in Italy, Berlin is the same timezone)....
[10:23:31] 	How can I do?
[10:27:58] 	LolliRock: what error?
[10:28:57] 	03(mod) Pages with timelines don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14858  major->04CRIT (10maxsem.wiki)
[10:29:03] 	did you also do the putenv and $wgLocalTZoffset stuff?
[10:30:12] 	LolliRock: also try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Timezone#Manual_Timezone_Specification
[10:35:59] 	03jojo * r37841 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix: removed erroneous fopen() call.
[10:56:09] 	is the fckeditor WYSIWYG good? are their any problems with it bein used on public wikis?
[10:59:17] 	There are plenty of problems with it... It really screws up the markup
[10:59:45] 	Honnestly I wouldn't consider it production worthy but hosts still use it as a way to attract people... bleh
[11:04:07] 	well, if all you ever do is paragraphs, captions, bold and italic, it's probably fine
[11:04:15] 	lists too
[11:04:38] 	but tables get prolematic (nested table? oh shit!) and templates... well :)
[11:05:36] 	woah.. thats bad
[11:06:01] 	^_^ Don't forget headers
[11:06:18] 	well i having a serious problem here.. i find the normal layman finds the whole creating of a page a mess video tutorial...
[11:06:31] 	The issue of having a strange span tag inside of a header inserted
[11:06:45] 	hmmm any work rounds.
[11:07:04] 	Learn WikiText? For the simple stuff it's not that hard
[11:07:13] 	well its not for me
[11:07:32] 	For anything harder? Become an expert and setup something like SemanticForms so others only need to input data
[11:08:02] 	Templates always work to
[11:08:02] 	would learn spanish if your just tourin spain? not quite the user doesnt want to learn complicated things.. i personally dont have a problem its the users who contribute to the site!
[11:08:24] 	hmmm.. well yeh..
[11:08:59] 	gotta put tht wiki text into a small pill nd send it down to all users!
[11:09:14] 	Give em a short reference page... This is how to do bold, etc... And use templates to make shortened versions of things you commonly do
[11:09:29] 	yup... bt i still see a reluctance
[11:09:36] 	tried with a cheat sheet
[11:10:16] 	doesnt quite go down well.. working on video tutorials.. bt seriously it puts of a majority of users simply coz they find it a pain in d *
[11:10:17] 	Wikia has an extension to add a short editing help to the sidebar... Though I don't know if it's dependant on their skin
[11:10:27] 	hmm...
[11:10:55] 	Monaco has an extended width to the sidebar, so it probably doesn't fit as well on monobook
[11:11:23] 	well as of the moment im using gumax (paulgu.com) its a nice decent blog kinda template
[11:11:25] 	really clean
[11:11:36] 	modifying that to suit my requirements!
[11:11:56] 	Well then
[11:12:21] 	https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/releases/200807.4/extensions/wikia/EditingTips/
[11:12:46] 	If you clear it up into a way that's generally usable, feel free to poke someone like me to commit it to Wikimedia's SVN
[11:14:04] 	btw that brings me to a question that has been lurking in mind since quite some time i use a rating system (js-kit.com) however it requires me to add some syntax( 
 {#jskitrating:view=score }> can i make sure that everytime a user creats page it gets auto added! if yes how can i go about kinda bad at coding
[11:15:23] 	use a hook to insert it somewhere in the skin or an output hook to put it somewhere in the content area?
[11:16:10] 	:S well an tuts on riting hooks? i knw wad hooks but never exp with that
[11:16:54] 	!hooks
[11:16:54] --mwbot--	Hooks allow you to run functions at various points in the main MediaWiki code. For more information about using hooks in MediaWiki, see .
[11:17:28] 	yeh thats were i got my initial info..
[11:17:42] 	well i guess it should be more like when the save page is done the code is added at the start of the page!
[11:17:53] 	that should do the trick!
[11:19:33] 	well shall read up and get a work around and shall post it here thanks dantman for the tips.. much appreciated.. keep up the good work!
[11:19:46] 	No
[11:20:10] 	It would be cleaner to just insert that code directly into the html output
[11:21:13] 	or use common.js
[11:22:02] 	hmm...
[11:22:38] 	well can u be more specific on inserting this into html o/p
[11:25:36] 	03(mod) accept explicitly closed empty tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14190  (10N/A)
[11:27:16] 	node100101: "hack the skin"
[11:27:35] 	node100101: well, actually, the extension should hook into the skin. that would be the best thing
[11:32:35] 	T_T I added two hooks for the sidebar... but brion removed them...
[11:33:23] 	respect the slush, the slush is your friend
[11:34:19] 	bleh... new sidebar features, and people have to wait another 6months till they can let extensions extend that
[11:41:50] 	:S
[11:43:16] 	hmm let me see where i can add this to html output
[11:43:45] 	manually addin to every article would be a pain.. 
[11:47:47] 	03brion * r37842 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/ (Timeline.i18n.php Timeline.php): 
[11:47:47] 	Remove bogus alt text generation:
[11:47:47] 	1) Causes a fatal error every time because $wgTitle is not defined in this function. Clearly there was no attempt to test this code, which is poor form. :)
[11:47:47] 	2) Alt text was useless even if it had worked, "Timeline for XX" where XX is
[11:47:47] 	$wgTItle's text form. This could use the wrong title when doing background
[11:47:51] 	rendering, and generally would just be lame and non-informative. It would fail
[11:47:53] 	to distinguish between a set of timelines on the same page.
[12:03:02] 	Hi!
[12:03:02] 	I'd like to set my timezone to GMT+1, how can I edit this: $wgLocaltimezone = "CET-1CEST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/2"; (for Sydney)
[12:05:08] 	03brion * r37843 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/ (Timeline.i18n.php Timeline.php): Just revert to r35980 for now, can't get even the fixed version working right live and I can't get it to work at all locally for testing
[12:06:16] 	can someone help me? don't know how to set gmt +1.... i'd like to edit this example (for sydney) $wgLocaltimezone = "CET-1CEST-2,M3.5.0/2,M10.5.0/2";
[12:07:15] 	please don't repeat yourself
[12:07:24] 	if anyone knows the answer, they will answer
[12:07:39] 	LolliRock: perhaps read the documentation on php timezone syntax. afaik, this is not a mediawiki thing
[12:10:39] 	hello
[12:10:44] 	Duesentrieb... mmh.... I've read the doc but I have not understand how to calculate the code... :(
[12:14:37] 	LolliRock: i can't even find a place where this is documented :)
[12:14:52] 	03siebrand * r37844 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/Timeline.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[12:15:41] 	03hashar * r37845 10/trunk/phase3/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Fix 12384 : comment on maintenance/*php files
[12:15:49] 	03(FIXED) Document maintenance/*.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12384  +comment (10hashar)
[12:47:30] 	back... well would i be addin the hook to Editpage.php? well i need the syntax {#xyz} added every time a page is created!
[12:48:35] 	You don't add hooks to code... you hook into them by defining your own function and adding it's name to $wgHooks['hookname'][]
[12:48:53] 	if an appropriate hook point exists, that is
[12:48:59] 	there are several in editpage
[12:49:07] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks Has a list of hooks that can be used
[12:49:24] 	but from what you said earlier, it's not clear why that code needs to go into the page content at all
[12:49:46] 	it could just go inside the skin - that would probably be simpler too
[12:50:42] 	hmm yeh actually u have a point there!
[12:50:51] 	hi
[12:50:55] 	well then which page would i be looking at to enter that code!
[12:51:34] 	how do I set the $messages['anontalk'] to another value in Localsettings?
[12:51:36] 	you would not enter that exact code at all, probably
[12:51:58] 	doos: you don't. you edit the page MediaWiki:Anontalk
[12:52:19] 	Confused!
[12:52:56] 	what would you recommend to do..
[12:53:26] 	Hooks are for use in extensions, not hacks
[12:53:52] 	node100101: you have a template code. this is used to generate some html/js stuff into a page. you want to add that html/js stuff directly to the skin. so you don't use a template code. hm... alternatively, you *could* use it, and put it into some system message which is shown on every page. You could abuse sitenotice, maybe.
[12:54:02] 	but i'm not sure if it actually works with that extension
[12:54:05] 	it all depend :)
[12:54:11] 	03hashar * r37846 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/generateSitemap.php): Fix #12441 : generateSitemap.php --fspath parameter required a trailing slash
[12:54:19] 	thanks Duesentrieb 
[12:54:22] 	03(FIXED) generateSitemap.php --fspath: add detalis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12441  +comment (10hashar)
[12:57:43] 	woah.. that was a heavy dose!
[12:58:12] 	03nikerabbit * r37847 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README Stats.php Translate.i18n.php Translate.php): 
[12:58:13] 	* 2008-07-17:1
[12:58:13] 	- simple form to generate graphs
[12:58:13] 	- scale and count parameters for graphs
[12:59:40] 	14(INVALID) Install doco could use a pointer on "index.php" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13410  +comment (10hashar)
[13:02:47] 	14(DUP) Update GeSHI for fixing some highlighting issues - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14856  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:02:58] 	03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.8) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:08:09] 	03mark * r37848 10/trunk/routing/lvs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial import of linux 2.6.24 code
[13:14:14] 	03(mod) Preemptively fix possible weak type-checking errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12769  +comment (10hashar)
[13:14:42] 	well again some problem tryin to integrate fckeditor.. installed extension added lines to /include/EditPage.php and /inlude/Santise.php cleared cache but still the same editor comes up :s where am i goin wrong
[13:16:10] 	http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/
[13:19:34] 	infact the extension does show up in Special:Version
[13:22:30] 	i finally fixed CentralAuth and now it's working...
[13:22:52] 	i had to change the code....
[13:23:03] 	how is that possibile my friends?
[13:24:06] 	03mark * r37849 10/trunk/routing/lvs/net/ipv4/ipvs/ (5 files): Initial import of linux 2.6.24 code
[13:28:24] 	Nikerabbit: ----^
[13:28:38] 	Duesentrieb: ?
[13:28:53] 	err damn. wrong CIA message :)
[13:28:57] 	it's slow today :)
[13:29:04] 	check r37851
[13:29:11] 	i committed qqq for categorytree
[13:29:33] *Duesentrieb 	kicks CIA-54
[13:29:33] 	ow
[13:29:42] 	03siebrand * r37850 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Stats.php Translate.alias.php Translate.php): 
[13:29:42] 	* unhide TranslationStats
[13:29:42] 	* $wgSpecialPageGroups['TranslationStats']
[13:29:42] 	* Localisation for Special Page alias 'TranslationStats'
[13:29:48] 	03daniel * r37851 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.i18n.php: message documentation (qqq)
[13:30:06] 	Nikerabbit: there we go :)
[13:33:20] 	03siebrand * r37852 10/trunk/extensions/ (APC/ViewAPC.php Mibbit/Mibbit.php): $wgSpecialPageGroups for special pages
[13:33:30] *siebrand 	thanks Duesentrieb.
[13:34:37] 	siebrand: when grepping through the extensions for qqq messages, i found *one* other extension that has it...
[13:35:18] 	and MessagesQqq.php doesn't exist either, it seems
[13:35:20] 	03mark * r37853 10/trunk/routing/lvs/net/ipv4/ipvs/ip_vs_conn.c: Initial import of linux 2.6.24 code
[13:36:38] 	you'll sure look silly when Quenchan Quixotic comes along, and takes Qq, and then QuenchanQuixoticQuality comes along and needs Qqq
[13:37:09] 	there are actually some codes reserved for this kind of internal use. xx is one, i think
[13:37:16] *Splarka 	grins
[13:41:02] 	ISO 639 provides a private-use space for people who need additional code elements: the code elements "qaa" through "qtz" may be freely used for this purpose
[13:41:53] 	and qua-qzz?
[13:42:56] 	03siebrand * r37854 10/trunk/extensions/Mibbit/Mibbit.php: Fix typo in previous commit
[13:47:07] 	03siebrand * r37855 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: 
[13:47:07] 	* Add PopularPages to group 'wiki' on Special:SpecialPages
[13:47:07] 	* remove trailing whitespace
[13:49:03] 	03siebrand * r37856 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add Special:Translate and Special:ContributionScores to group wiki
[14:05:00] 	03siebrand * r37857 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: Add Special:Maigc to group wiki
[14:10:12] 	03siebrand * r37858 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Fix typo
[14:35:36] 	are any of the api.php people here?
[14:38:20] 	14(DUP) "Invert selection" should also be in Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14547  +comment (10hashar)
[14:38:23] 	probably not the developers
[14:38:27] 	03(mod) enable namespace inversion (&invert=1) for other special: pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14485  +comment (10hashar)
[14:38:29] 	maybe I can answer your question
[14:40:42] 	carl-m: i wonder if there's a way to retain the order of the articles in a query
[14:41:41] 	i'm using: action=query&prop=info&titles=
[14:44:01] 	but when titles is a bunch of stuff it can be really nice to process the results in the same order you gave the titles
[14:44:33] 	but the results are sorted by ID with all not found titles getting negative IDs
[14:44:54] 	I don't think there is any way to tell the api not to do that
[14:45:01] 	you'd have to handle it on the local side
[14:45:09] 	then i will file a feature request for an index field
[14:46:19] 	that's probably the best thing to do, so the devs cna look at it
[14:47:24] 	i always like to ask around first before wasting bug readers time
[14:50:16] 	i don??t think there's a way to even do this efficiently mith mysql
[14:50:35] 	maybe by using a temporary table...
[14:50:40] 	it's quite nasty in any case.
[14:52:56] 	03(NEW) add an index field to show original order of queried titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14859 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (hippytrail)
[14:54:50] 	Duesentrieb: is that in reply to my api.php question?
[14:55:00] 	yep
[14:56:10] 	where is the api.php code? i'm not familiar with it
[14:56:50] 	it's in includes/api
[14:56:51] 	includes/api
[14:56:55] 	it's quite complex
[14:57:10] 	Hi
[14:57:28] 	but the problem is a general one with database queries for a set of things. generally it's not possible to retain the order
[14:57:31] 	would anyone like to tell me why I would have a gap between my tabs and the actual page?
[14:57:34] 	not without building a temporary table
[14:57:36] 	ta
[14:57:38] 	on mediawiki
[14:57:57] 	Prom3th3an: {| style="margin: 1ex"
[14:58:04] 	yes i dont know what the code around the db query does
[14:58:13] 	Yes
[14:58:17] 	what do i do with that?
[14:58:23] 	Prom3th3an: use it?
[14:58:28] 	how?
[14:58:44] 	Prom3th3an: {| is where you start the table. just add the style code
[14:59:10] 	Im talking about the tabs on top of pages
[14:59:10] 	you may need another | after the style. but i don't think that's required
[14:59:12] 	like edit
[14:59:14] 	special
[14:59:14] 	i put off learning dbs or sql for a decade or two imagining it would be horrible. when i finally did start learning then i found out its horrible (-:
[14:59:15] 	delete
[14:59:17] 	protect
[14:59:28] 	Prom3th3an: ohh... sorry. i was thinking of tables for some reason :)
[14:59:31] 	:P
[14:59:41] 	thats okey
[14:59:47] 	So does anyone know?
[14:59:57] 	Prom3th3an: well, "somethign is wron with your layout"?
[15:00:04] 	Prom3th3an: using a custom skin? changed CSS?
[15:00:07] 	got a link?
[15:00:15] 	what browser are you using?
[15:00:19] 	Duesentrieb: would it be apiquery.php i need or other files too?
[15:00:20] 	does it happen also when not logged in?
[15:00:28] 	hippietrail: i have no clue
[15:00:32] 	Im using monobook.js with wikipedias.css files
[15:00:46] 	http://203.122.240.118/anarchywiki
[15:00:51] 	http://203.122.240.118/wiki
[15:00:52] 	^
[15:00:56] 	2nd one
[15:01:23] 	nop gap in firefox3
[15:01:41] 	go to special pages
[15:01:45] 	its only on a few
[15:02:05] 	Go to User:RyRy
[15:02:10] 	as well
[15:02:14] 	those are good examples
[15:02:21] 	thanks Duesentrieb got a bunch to look at offline
[15:02:36] 	Prom3th3an: hm, i see it. odd :)
[15:02:53] 	go to Mediawiki:common.js
[15:02:57] 	click view source
[15:03:01] 	same thing
[15:03:05] 	its very slective
[15:03:36] 	that's what makes it odd, yes.
[15:03:37] 	common.js seems ok
[15:03:41] 	do you have any custom js?
[15:03:56] 	Its all pilfered from en-wiki
[15:04:40] 	well, that means "a lot of cruft that may depend on who knows what"
[15:04:55] 	stealing stuff from wikipedia generally entails a lot of trouble
[15:05:08] 	see what happens when you remove all that and go with the vanially styles
[15:05:23] 	vanialla. as in, unchanged.
[15:05:35] 	oh damn, i can't type today :)
[15:05:39] 	(or any day)
[15:06:42] 	Prom3th3an: btw... the puzzle ball is trademarked... i don't think they'll come after you with pitchforks right away, but it would be nice to look for something else
[15:06:56] 	Its a blank ballt though
[15:07:00] 	i thought that wasnt
[15:07:05] 	debatable
[15:07:06] 	as for many sites use it
[15:07:15] 	yes... which sucks :)
[15:07:24] 	Its even on google (other sites using it)
[15:07:26] 	but ask the foundation
[15:07:28] 	ianal
[15:07:32] 	and i can see it TM'ed on commons
[15:07:43] 	huh?
[15:07:57] 	That particfuler image isnt listed anywhere on commons
[15:08:01] 	particuler^
[15:08:07] 	so?
[15:08:08] 	in the logo cantegory
[15:08:17] 	all the TM'ed logos are there
[15:08:31] 	variations of trademarks are also protected. 
[15:08:34] *Dor 	is installing mIRC v6.33
[15:08:41] 	hello. Please, how do I add categories ?
[15:08:42] 	the problem is that it's up to the judge what is "too similar"
[15:08:43] 	Ill ask anyway
[15:08:54] 	!categories | pazof
[15:08:54] --mwbot--	pazof: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[15:09:03] 	thanks
[15:09:04] 	pazof: the simple answer is: "by using them".
[15:09:20] 	hm, ok :)
[15:10:03] 	Ill email it to them and ask
[15:14:01] 	Duesentrieb: http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://apgovt.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/WikiGovLogo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://apgovt.wikispaces.com/&h=263&w=213&sz=13&hl=en&start=424&sig2=vlIhrApy86ZKoanrRl3Okg&um=1&tbnid=1keyEppnpw5YPM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=91&ei=jQSCSK-7LoS4pgSrvtDbCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWiki%2Blogo%26start%3D420%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.moz
[15:14:03] 	illa:en-US:official%26hs%3DLuY%26sa%3DN
[15:14:34] 	Duesentrieb: http://apgovt.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/WikiGovLogo.jpg
[15:14:52] 	Prom3th3an: i know that lots of sites use it. that doesn't change anything.
[15:14:53] 	Now im highly doubtful that the ball (without the hyroglyphics) is copyrighted
[15:15:07] 	well, it's *definitly* copyrighted.
[15:15:15] 	the question is if it's also trademarked.
[15:15:46] 	actually, the (c) claim is probably sufficient to make the other uses infringement.
[15:16:00] 	hi ist jemand ger?
[15:16:05] 	but note that use in context is often covered by fair use
[15:16:23] 	i have a problem with the installation :/
[15:16:24] 	use as a logo is different - especially because trademark also kicks in in that case
[15:16:42] 	there is the error
[15:16:43] 	http://pegzer0.pe.funpic.de/wiki/config/install.html
[15:16:54] 	Prom3th3an: any non-trivial work is copyrighted. always.
[15:17:25] 	can anyone help me?
[15:17:27] 	Duesentrieb: I just removed the wikipedia interface stuff, no change
[15:17:40] 	asdasdff: compain to your host. the environment is probably too restrictive for mediawiki.
[15:17:47] 	Duesentrieb: Im going to try removing the extentions
[15:17:57] 	ok thx
[15:18:22] 	Prom3th3an: you sill have about a million extensions active :)
[15:18:31] 	ah, yea
[15:18:34] 	yes i know
[15:18:39] 	:P
[15:19:19] 	Its an extention doing it :S
[15:19:29] 	now the process of elimination
[15:19:31] 	lol
[15:19:33] 	joy
[15:23:26] 	Prom3th3an: add half of them, see if it changes, if yes, remove half of that, etc.
[15:23:38] 	O(lon(n)) :)
[15:23:44] 	log
[15:23:48] 	bah, whatever
[15:27:46] 	Duesentrieb: Extention:Special wanted images
[15:27:55] 	o_O
[15:28:08] 	shouldn't that just add a single special page?
[15:28:12] 	why should it mess with the layout?
[15:30:10] 	i dunno
[15:30:13] 	but it does
[15:30:50] 	Duesentrieb: RyRy's page is still stuffed
[15:31:01] 	huh?
[15:31:06] 	Duesentrieb: But the space between the tabs an page are gone
[15:31:34] 	http://203.122.240.118/wiki/index.php/User:RyRy
[15:31:44] 	that one probably just messed up the tag structure
[15:31:52] 	try turning tidy on
[15:31:56] 	that should avoid the worst
[15:32:04] 	!tidy
[15:32:04] --mwbot--	Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see .
[15:32:31] 	$wgUseTidy = true;
[15:32:34] 	tide is enabled
[15:32:37] 	:S
[15:32:39] 	lol
[15:49:22] 	03(mod) Unicode normalization "sorts" Hebrew/Arabic/ Myanmar vowels wrongly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2399  (10ravi.chhabra)
[16:02:05] 	Hi all
[16:02:18] 	hello
[16:02:55] 	Hi. I'm a newby, just installed 1.12 on an shared Apache host. I have problems with RSS feed.
[16:03:46] 	Special:Recentchanges works fine, add an %feed=rss gives me a Error 500, Internal server error.
[16:04:16] 	&fee=rss
[16:04:21] 	&feed=rss
[16:04:59] 	&feed=atom is the same. It seems to be (possibly) a MySQL timeout.
[16:05:08] 	URL?
[16:05:27] 	http://www.temblast.com/w/
[16:05:33] 	what do you mean by "add"? what are you trying to do?
[16:05:56] 	Just trying to use the Recentchanges in RSS
[16:06:24] 	http://temblast.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss
[16:06:44] 	indeed
[16:06:50] 	well, hard to tell
[16:07:00] 	Renate: look into apache's error log to see mor information about this error
[16:07:04] 	Regular Recentchanges works fine
[16:07:17] 	shared host = not root on server?
[16:07:46] 	Laaknor: viewing the error log should be possible anyway
[16:07:54] 	if it's not, complain. loudly.
[16:08:04] 	viewing logs is essential to keeping a site safe
[16:08:22] 	No I'm on 1and1. kunden/gobledygook/.../htdocs/
[16:08:52] 	Renate: see if you have access to an error log.
[16:08:52] 	Renate: why do you think it's a mysql timeout?
[16:09:08] 	Duesentrieb: I know that... that's why I've complained and in the end running my own server for everythign
[16:09:13] 	sql timeout should not cause a 500
[16:09:28] 	Laaknor: hehe.
[16:09:32] 	Well, it's some sort of timeout, RC straight is instntaneous, the &feed=rss takes 10 seconds or so
[16:09:36] 	well, per-vhost logs are not a problem, really
[16:10:09] 	Renate: there could be lots of reasons for that...
[16:10:33] 	Oh, I believe that! :)
[16:10:42] 	special:newpages&feed=rss works
[16:10:51] 	It is about a 10 second delat before it comes up error.
[16:11:24] 	Good point, Laaknor! Tnx.
[16:11:48] 	Is it straining too much to generate a dif?
[16:12:35] 	that is indeed possibility. though i still think that should not result in a 500
[16:12:45] 	and you should STILL look at the LOG.
[16:12:45] 	diffs shouldn't be created for recentchanges..
[16:12:54] 	because it should TELL you what CAUSES the error.
[16:13:12] 	Laaknor: sure, RC has diffs for all edits in the rss feed
[16:13:36] 	it links to the diffs, but it shouldn't create them...
[16:13:46] 	yes it should
[16:13:57] 	it's useful to have them there when reading via rss
[16:14:24] 	Laaknor: i see lots of diffs here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss
[16:14:53] 	links to the diff, yes, but it doesn't create the acutal diff
[16:15:00] 	yes, it does
[16:15:17] 	Laaknor: follow the link. there are diffs there. they get created.
[16:15:26] 	I've even tried with $wgFeedDiffCutoff = 10;
[16:15:40] 	hmmm
[16:15:42] 	indeed
[16:15:54] 	Renate: did you look at the log?...
[16:15:57] 	That's supposed to prevent diffs for files bigger than 10 bytes
[16:16:08] 	seems to be a diff with my local installation :P
[16:16:16] 	Where's da log?
[16:16:41] 	Renate: the error log. the webserver's error log. where it writes what causes the error. like i have been telling you for 10 minutes.
[16:16:55] 	where this is located depens on your host
[16:17:00] 	but you *should* have access
[16:17:47] 	??r??r
[16:17:59] 	is there any reason to use const or static over another?
[16:18:09] 	The std connect log or whatever access.log.current shows all 200 for &feed=rss
[16:22:24] 	I'm on a shared server, D?sentrieb. I have a directory called logs. There are access logs there and ftp logs. All the access logs show 200's even though it is actually returning 500's
[16:23:13] 	you're missing error.log.....
[16:24:05] 	I believe the error.log gets written there. I had some bad .htaccess long ago and it wrote it there. But I deleted it long ago and it hasn't been recreated.
[16:26:17] 	[19/Jul/2008:12:20:02 -0400] "GET /w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 645 
[16:26:22] 	Renate: ask your hosting company then. debugging an internal error 500 is hard without any additional info
[16:26:26] 	It's all 200's
[16:26:44] 	you could try writing a debug log though, in case mediawiki ever gets around to putting something in there 
[16:26:46] 	!debug
[16:26:46] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see .
[16:27:02] 	Renate: access logs only have the "good" requests. which have code 200 per definition
[16:27:10] 	Ha, ha, ha. My host isn't bad, but their support is the pits!
[16:27:20] 	change, then
[16:27:23] 	Duesentrieb: that's not really true... errored requests should go there too
[16:27:48] 	Well, I've never seen a good RSS feed out of my wiki until you showed me new pages.
[16:27:54] 	flyingparchment: hm? really? i thought they only show up in the error log.
[16:28:56] 	Renate: well... if you get an 200 entry in your access log, but the webserver returns a 500 anyway, then something is seriously screwed up. you should really complain.
[16:29:24] 	could be an error in a reverse proxy or something
[16:29:30] 	It seems to take a couple of minutes to flush the accesses to the log
[16:30:42] 	GET /w/index.php?title=Special:Newpages&feed=rss HTTP/1.1" 200   // It's about the same log entry as RC
[16:30:58] 	[19/Jul/2008:12:20:02 -0400] "GET /w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 645 
[16:32:37] 	Does a wiki ever generate 500 errors?
[16:35:28] 	03(NEW) Bot wrongly marks page as reviewed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14860 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (tim)
[16:42:01] 	Wow... I re-read something on a gmane info page in my current sleepy state, and understand words I didn't when I was awake
[16:49:16] 	Well, I tried all the debugging things in MW How to debug. No extra info came out, no debug logs.
[16:49:53] 	There are $wgUser->isAnon() and $wgUser->isLoggedin(). Is it also possible for user groups?
[16:50:42] 	Hmmm.... If pipermail is listing e-mail addresses raw, then why does the Gmane lists have encryption enabled?
[16:52:42] 	Renate: did you set a location for the debug log?
[16:52:49] 	a location that exists and is writable?
[16:53:06] 	Subfader: uh? how can a group be logged in?
[16:53:24] 	i mean like if  $wgUser->isSysop() or sth
[16:54:02] 	Subfader: i think there's something like hasGroup. at least you can do getEffectiveGroups and then check if the group is in the array
[16:54:25] 	Subfader: bug generally, it should never be neccessary to check if a user is in a given group. you should always check against permissions, not groups
[16:54:30] 	thanks. trying
[16:55:05] 	Subfader:  i.e. $wgUser->isAllowed("whatever") or, for per page stuff, $title->userCan("whatever")
[16:55:12] 	for some groups there are even pseudo-permissions
[16:55:16] 	hmh i tro to display some links only to certain groups in the skin
[16:55:18] 	that includes sysop, i think
[16:55:36] 	i was wondering is there a way to erase ALL entered pages ??
[16:55:36] 	that may be a good reason, but only maybe.
[16:55:41] 	it's still better to use permissions
[16:55:51] 	ok isAllowed sounds simple
[16:55:55] 	majnoon: sure, install a new wiki
[16:56:08] 	no want to reinstall :(
[16:57:52] 	i don't know of another good/safe way
[16:58:27] 	no want the pages 
[16:58:41] 	then reinstall
[16:58:44] 	it's simple enough
[16:58:47] 	5 minutes
[16:58:53] 	you can keep the files and all
[16:59:03] 	just move LocalSettings.php out put the way
[16:59:06] 	the install will pop up
[16:59:21] 	delete the database first, or pick a new one (or a different prefix)
[17:00:43] 	03(mod) Broken rendering of arrows in SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5325  (10martinfisch)
[17:02:20] 	thanks Duesentrieb. isAllowed works perfect
[17:03:44] 	good :)
[17:05:51] 	is it possible to have such a URL mydomain.com/Main_page? 
[17:06:12] 	(I was off making Linsensuppe!) Yes, D?sentrieb, I set the path:  $wgDebugLogFile  = '$IP/debug_log.txt'; // ($IP is set correctly)
[17:07:43] 	yes, but its hackish and not a good thing to do
[17:08:12] 	kk THAT did it ty
[17:08:40] 	I set the $wgArticlePath = '$1'
[17:09:26] 	then RewriteRule ^ w/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[17:09:26] 	even if you get it to work right, you won't be able to ever create page names with certain names as a result
[17:10:04] 	MostafaDaneshvar: not a good idea
[17:10:25] 	it worked once
[17:10:42] 	but
[17:11:08] 	didn't show skins :D
[17:11:43] 	jut raw texts 
[17:12:01] 	right cause you didn't make exceptions for the skin paths
[17:12:14] 	and you keep having to make exceptions for anything that you want access to
[17:12:22] 	outside of the wiki
[17:12:36] 	which keeps reducing the number of page names you can use
[17:13:20] 	its always better to use some sort of virtual path at lest
[17:13:35] 	rather then making the root the virtual path
[17:15:17] 	yup
[17:18:11] 	Got to go, bye.
[17:40:37] 	03siebrand * r37859 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (18 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-07-19 19:07 CEST)
[17:51:43] 	Hi
[17:51:46] 	anyone here, working on SUL ?
[17:52:20] 	ixitixel: what questions do you have about it?
[17:52:29] 	Theres a small bug
[17:52:46] 	The login to species.wikimedia.org doesn't work
[17:52:54] 	The account has been merged
[17:53:01] 	but the autpmatic login doesn't work
[17:53:18] 	did file a report on bugzilla?
[17:53:23] 	*did you file
[17:53:37] 	what's sul?
[17:53:53] 	The people from wikipedia-de said, this is a very small bug and it will be better to find a developer directly
[17:53:55] 	single user login
[17:53:59] 	03siebrand * r37860 10/trunk/extensions/ (126 files in 121 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-19 19:07 CEST)
[17:54:58] 	well brion isn't online right now, so bugzilla would probably be your best bet
[17:55:06] 	either that or post on the mailing list
[17:56:41] 	in #wikimedia-tech they said brion will be online in 14 h so I will try tomorrow morning or write a bgreport else
[17:57:00] 	k
[17:57:09] 	Thank ypu anyway
[17:57:12] 	:o)
[18:17:11] 	03huji * r37861 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations
[18:21:32] 	03(NEW) A new logo for Finnish Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14861 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (str4nd)
[18:30:29] 	hey guys
[18:30:36] 	i got a little question
[18:30:54] 	sure, what is it?
[18:31:03] 	in [[foo]] we got the content {{bar}}
[18:31:19] 	in {{bar}} it is [[Category:ABC]]
[18:31:25] 	ok?
[18:31:29] 	yeah
[18:31:37] 	so
[18:31:51] 	in Category:ABC we got foo + template:bar
[18:31:55] 	ok?
[18:32:04] 	ok...
[18:32:12] 	now i edit [[foo]]
[18:32:26] 	content is now: {{bar2}}
[18:32:46] 	content of {{bar2}} is [[Category:XYZ]]
[18:32:58] 	is this a thing the job queue need to fix?
[18:33:18] 	or i may ask with other words:
[18:33:51] 	so I'm assuming you mean Category:ABC still has [[Foo]] in it?
[18:34:08] 	if so, purge the page and it should be fine
[18:34:10] 	will [[foo]] be listed at [[Category:ABC]] right after my edit if job queue is full?
[18:34:21] 	yeah
[18:34:30] 	a) what page?
[18:34:32] 	it might be listed there for a while, but mainly due to caching I believe
[18:34:45] 	purge the Category:ABC page
[18:34:52] 	!purge
[18:34:52] --mwbot--	To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[18:34:57] 	i know
[18:35:02] 	just making sure :)
[18:35:09] 	Skizzerz: so it is not a problem with the job queue
[18:35:11] 	?
[18:35:15] 	I have no idea
[18:35:22] 	hm ok
[18:35:32] 	probably a combination of job queue and caching
[18:46:20] 	anyone here who has copy/paste ready code to use Commons as a media repository?
[18:52:53] 	siebrand, don't use it yet
[18:53:09] 	it is quite experimental according to brion
[18:53:22] 	balasyum: yeah. I intend to experiment :)
[18:53:36] 	ow
[18:53:44] 	then brion's blog maybe?
[18:53:47] 	balasyum: living on the edge and all that shit :)
[18:54:12] 	balasyum: ForeignAPIRepo.php contains a prototype config. I'll start from there.
[18:54:23] 	as you wish
[18:54:32] 	what are you going to do?
[18:56:05] 	balasyum: configure a ForeignAPIRepo? :)
[18:56:31] 	I meant the subject of your experiment
[19:00:32] 	balasyum: translatewiki.net.
[19:00:45] 	ok, thank you
[19:04:19] 	hmm.
[19:04:20] 	Notice: Undefined property: ForeignAPIRepo::$descriptionCacheExpiry in /var/www/sandwiki/includes/filerepo/File.php on line 1071
[19:04:30] 	Notice: Undefined property: ForeignAPIRepo::$descriptionCacheExpiry in /var/www/sandwiki/includes/filerepo/File.php on line 1083
[19:04:36] 	http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=Image:WMF_BLOG_banner.jpg&useskin=monobook
[19:12:11] 	03siebrand * r37862 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIRepo.php: 
[19:12:11] 	Add descriptionCacheExpiry to configuration example to avoid 2 notices.
[19:12:11] 	Notice: Undefined property: ForeignAPIRepo::$descriptionCacheExpiry in includes/filerepo/File.php on line 1071
[19:12:11] 	Notice: Undefined property: ForeignAPIRepo::$descriptionCacheExpiry in includes/filerepo/File.php on line 1083
[19:20:05] 	balasyum: it works :)
[19:23:41] 	03hashar * r37863 10/branches/hashar/: svnmerge
[19:34:01] 	03siebrand * r37864 10/trunk/extensions/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki
[19:45:06] 	03(NEW) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (lar)
[19:48:45] 	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  +comment (10mww113)
[19:51:12] 	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  (10mww113)
[19:54:50] 	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  (10lar)
[20:05:09] 	j/win 2
[20:07:09] 	Can someone give me linkage to the explination of how to use an image with a link to a page? [[|[[Image:]]]] doesn't look right.
[20:13:26] 	03(NEW) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14863 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[20:14:55] 	03huji * r37865 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations
[20:17:10] 	Anyone knows anything new about when the Edit-API will be enabled on all wikipedias`?
[20:26:30] 	anyone with experience with liquidthreads extension?
[20:29:10] 	i've just spent the last 4 hours deleting 300MB of link spam from my system, but I can't figure out how to permanently purge the deleted pages/revisions from the db, deleteOldRevisions.php and purgeOldText.php do nothing, any ideas?
[20:33:31] 	03(NEW) Add hook to add HTML at end of Email section of user preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14864 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (tylerromeo)
[20:45:44] 	Duesentrieb: i fixed my problem from yesterday. it wasn't an error in MW's code, or a MW function.  In one wiki I had modified SkinTemplate.php and added in a function which I defined in LocalSettings.php.  In the wiki where SkinTemplate.php was causing problems, I hadn't added the function to LocalSettings.php yet.  This also explains why what seemed to be the exact same code was working in one
[20:45:48] 	and not the other.
[20:46:13] 	thank you for your efforts yesterday, in any case.
[20:49:11] 	i have 400+MB of link spam in my deleted page/revision history, is there no way to delete this data?
[20:52:10] 	rasa: if you get into the database, you can do anything you like
[20:52:25] 	mediawiki is designed to keep all data always..
[20:53:05] 	03ialex * r37866 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ExternalStore.php: Removed some PHP4-ism
[21:01:02] 	yes, I've spent at least an hour trying to make sense of the db, studying http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql?view=markup, but someone must already have crafted a script to purge old data, yes?
[21:12:10] 	 $store=new $class();  return $store;
[21:12:12] 	re
[21:12:17] 	that s a really useless thing :)
[21:13:10] 	03(WONTFIX) add an index field to show original order of queried titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14859  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:21:53] 	hello ]
[21:21:55] 	:)
[21:23:05] 	is there someone who can help me with gadget extension please ? :)
[21:23:39] 	just ask your question
[21:23:41] 	Duesentrieb:  ?
[21:24:21] 	ok simple : have installed it. gadgets do not work :(
[21:24:39] 	version special page show me the extension anyway
[21:24:50] 	Draky50110: where is your wiki?
[21:24:54] 	which extension?
[21:25:19] 	gadget page : http://www.ouahouah.info/ouiki/index.php?title=Special:Gadgets
[21:25:30] 	extension is "gadgets"
[21:27:03] 	Draky50110: have you checked for javascript errors? have you tried a very simple gadget that does not do much? just to see if it works?
[21:28:10] 	just copying stuff off wikipedia and expecting it to work generally fails.
[21:28:15] 	mmm no. I've looked at the gadget page on commons and copy/paste some interesting. Do you have an exemple of a "simple" one ?
[21:28:20] 	that's true for gadgets, user scripts, templates...
[21:28:22] 	yeah, you have errors
[21:28:37] 	Draky50110: come to #mediawiki-scripts
[21:28:37] 	Yes, I was thinking about this kind of problem :(
[21:28:49] 	Draky50110: sure. write alert("hello"); into a js message
[21:28:56] 	use that as a gadget.
[21:29:03] 	every time you load a page, it should say "hello".
[21:31:14] 	Duesentrieb: he has other errors I will help him fix
[21:31:21] 	kk
[21:52:46] 	03siebrand * r37867 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: 
[21:52:46] 	Take FlaggedRevs out of Wikimedia Extensions group. Highly specialised and has
[21:52:46] 	25.8% of 859 messages in the 'Extensions used by Wikimedia' group. Betawiki wiki
[21:52:46] 	will report on the localisation of the 10 messages groups of FlaggedRevs in its
[21:52:47] 	own column (http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics)
[22:04:17] 	Did that change to let gadgets be enabled by default get reverted?
[22:04:19] 	because there is 400MB of "deleted" spam links in my db, my site is performing extremely poorly, hasn't someone wrote a delete script?
[22:04:42] 	rasa: why would deleted pages that are never used make your site slow?
[22:05:07] 	u tell me, it's cluttering up mysql's indexes, yes?
[22:05:13] 	no
[22:05:21] 	because they're in a completely seperate table
[22:05:30] 	Mike_lifeguard: IIRC
[22:05:51] 	damn
[22:06:05] 	well, I will hope it gets committed again only better :)
[22:06:40] 	http://mibbit.com/pb/NXInEr contains my proposed delete script, anyone want 2 review it?
[22:10:12] 	rasa: don't we have enough delete scripts already?
[22:10:20] 	oh, not a js
[22:10:48] 	what is it supposed to do?
[22:11:21] 	Mike_lifeguard: I've looked everywhere for a script to delete 400MB of link spam in my DB and couldn't find one, where is one?
[22:11:31] 	ahh, there is one in /maintenance
[22:11:34] *Mike_lifeguard 	finds
[22:11:45] 	neither did anything
[22:12:09] 	purgeOldText.php --purge => 0 records
[22:12:11] 	 maintenance/cleanupSpam.php
[22:12:16] 	didn't work?
[22:12:23] 	deleteOldRevisions.php --delete => 0 records
[22:12:52] 	i've already manually "deleted" all the spam, but the records are still in the db in archive, text, and revision
[22:13:05] 	ahhh
[22:13:17] 	what's wrong with that?
[22:14:41] 	rasa: did you set up AdminSettings.php before running the maintenance scripts?
[22:14:47] 	400MB? Well, my backup script takes hours, and my backup file server is running out of space
[22:14:51] 	yes
[22:15:29] 	http://mibbit.com/pb/Knlb9X  <= 2nd revision of delete script
[22:16:03] 	erm
[22:16:05] 	deleteOldRevisions should say something about "1234 old revisions found."
[22:16:06] 	does it=
[22:16:16] 	can't you just "truncate table archive;"?
[22:16:25] 	400MB on disk is 1.3G as a dump file
[22:17:49] 	rasa: how about doing this clean and easy? make an xml dump of the current revisions, scrap the wiki, start fresh, import pages?
[22:18:03] 	should take all of 10 minutes
[22:18:13] 	http://mibbit.com/pb/SNn7r9 <= output from php deleteOldRevisions.php --delete
[22:18:49] 	keep the code in code in place, and move your LocalSettings to a safe place, move it back after install...
[22:18:52] 	should work fine.
[22:18:57] 	Duesentrieb: sounds scary, does it maintain images, and other assorted upload file magic?
[22:19:39] 	no, but you can restore that info easily using rebuildImages.php --missing
[22:19:46] 	it does scrap all users.
[22:20:01] 	you would have to restore the user table manually (and the user_groups table too)
[22:20:18] 	anyway... mw 1.9.3 ?! ugh.
[22:21:17] 	rasa: i would recommend an xml dump, at least of the current revisions, before you start messing with the database.
[22:21:26] 	that way you have the content safe, no matter what
[22:29:09] 	Duesentrieb: I tried to upgrade to latest version, but got tons of errors, and gave up
[22:29:17] 	I am trying to upgrade to mediawiki 1.12 myself, I dont know what this sentence means: The preferred method of performing the update is using the command-line maintenance script, although it is also possible to re-run the web-based installer.
[22:30:46] 	odes3: after you install the new php files, you run update.php from the maintenance/ directory
[22:30:52] 	rasa: something must be very wrong then :) upgrading generalls works smoothly.
[22:31:15] 	i used phpmyadmin to back up my files....how do i run update.php?
[22:31:21] 	http://mibbit.com/pb/9TvwHN <= final delete script
[22:31:29] 	odes3: if you don??t have shell access, you can't.
[22:31:38] 	odes3: in that case, you need to re-run the installer.
[22:31:55] 	i see UPGRADE, but no update file
[22:32:10] 	rasa: don't complain if no update etc works after messing with the database like that :)
[22:32:13] 	in the maintenance/ directory
[22:32:21] 	siteground is hosting my wikis
[22:32:28] 	odes3: again: you do not see it from the web, and you cannot use it from the web.
[22:32:39] 	!shell
[22:32:39] --mwbot--	Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[22:33:21] 	anyway, i'm going to bed.
[22:33:23] 	good night
[22:33:26] 	night
[22:33:34] 	Duesentrieb: i've backed up 1.2G restore file, so i'm not too worried, thanks for advise!
[22:34:00] 	i am looking at the files in folder mediawiki-1.12.0, all I see is the file upgrade
[22:34:30] 	odes3: look in the maintenance folder
[22:34:32] 	bye duesentrieb, thanks for stary
[22:34:35] 	start
[22:34:55] 	i c it
[22:34:59] 	how do i run it?
[22:35:14] 	once i move all the files?
[22:36:14] 	why aren't these instructions on mediawiki.org?
[22:36:38] 	oh i c them
[22:36:49] 	how do i run update.php?
[22:37:07] 	do you have shell access?
[22:37:37] 	yes, lets say i do.
[22:37:43] 	:)
[22:37:48] 	then you just run 'php update.php' :)
[22:38:49] 	i have xp, go to start >>run type in php update.php? click ok? I have a feeling this is really wrong
[22:38:58] 	and i am sounding dum
[22:39:17] 	no, you would have to run it from a shell on the server where mediawiki is installed. but you probably don't have shell access.
[22:39:23] 	great, script wiped out my whole site, what a pile...
[22:39:23] 	so you need to run the web installer again
[22:39:53] 	hmmm...
[22:40:01] 	odes3: are you looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Alternative_2:_Re-run_the_installer ? 
[22:40:34] 	let me c
[22:40:58] 	at that section, yes
[22:43:23] 	those are the instructions to follow
[22:43:48] 	siteground says that i can upgrade it myself: http://kb.siteground.com/article/How_to_upgrade_my_MediaWiki_site.html
[22:44:01] 	i don't understand those instructions :(
[22:44:10] 	thats why i am here
[22:46:08] 	i dont think i have shell access
[22:46:20] 	then you certainly don't 
[22:46:31] 	did you start with the instructions on mediawiki.org ? 
[22:47:20] 	yes
[22:47:32] 	how far did you get? 
[22:47:44] 	i backed up everything, dl mediawiki 1.12, opened the zipped file
[22:47:51] 	then realized i should not go any farther
[22:47:52] 	opened it on the local computer? 
[22:48:29] 	oh, you mean i should open it on the siteground server?
[22:48:29] 	you need to unpack the mediawiki files on the server where mediawiki is running
[22:48:36] 	oh shit
[22:48:37] 	okay
[22:48:50] 	did you put the files there yourself originally, or it was pre-installed? 
[22:48:50] 	one sec
[22:49:06] 	before i paid siteground to do it.
[22:49:17] 	but i don't want to pay $49 for an upgrade this time
[22:50:01] 	my site is ridiculously slow when full 1.2G of data is in db
[22:50:51] 	the problem with Black Obama is that he is an advocate of slavery and murder of the human spirit
[22:51:20] 	Could someone please look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Navimg and tell me why the image won't center in a table cell? I can't quite see what is making it align to the left.
[22:52:08] 	if you replace the image with text, does that align left too? 
[22:52:20] 	No.
[22:53:40] 	example page anywhere?
[22:53:55] 	Hold on a sec, please.
[22:54:16] 	I am trying to preview something and Wikipedia is lagging.
[22:54:47] 	Used on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/MfTemplate
[22:55:11] 	The is transcluded on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Media_franchises
[22:57:44] 	my guess is that one of the divs in navimg is too wide
[22:57:51] 	Oh, it is the left:0 that is doing it I think, not sure though,
[22:57:59] 	but my iceweasel is broken right now so I can't use DOM inspector
[22:58:29] 	Don't worry about it, just wondering, since it is making that table look weird.
[22:58:37] 	well it uses position absolute. 
[22:59:28] 	I just noticed that. :S
[23:00:05] 	that and there seems to be a empty link in there as well
[23:00:26] 	And the use of #ifexist on the transclusion page has just tripped the automatic categorization of the page into Pages with too many expensive parser function calls.
[23:02:48] 	I never knew that there could be too many parser function calls before.
[23:09:20] 	bbiab