[01:19:24] Well, I'm getting closer in my search for why my 1.12 isn't doing RSS feeds, it gives me HTTP 500's [01:20:26] The problem is that the diff between two things is stalling and I think that my shared server shuts down after 10 seconds of thinking. [01:20:55] http://temblast.com/w/index.php?title=Help:User_rights&curid=3&diff=10&oldid=8 [01:22:35] So many people here and no one with an answer? [01:36:28] hey Dantman|Away [01:36:41] ah, "away" [01:37:16] 03(mod) Diff doesn't work with internal links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14852 (10N/A) [01:50:06] 14(WFM) Diff doesn't work with internal links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14852 +comment (10cbrown1023) [02:32:48] ^_^ Heh, yes, away... [06:33:06] > [Sat Jul 12 18:53:59 2008] [error] [client **.**.**.**] (20024)The given path misformatted or contained invalid characters: Cannot map GET /wiki/index.php/User:Chemistrygeek HTTP/1.1 to file, referer: [06:33:24] Does anyone have a clue why those errors have filled my apache error log? [06:33:52] The pages still load [06:34:04] its just annoying that its flooding my logs.... [06:35:54] and yeah [06:36:03] its with every page.,,,,, [06:37:03] sounds like you're running on windows [06:38:05] Yes lol [06:38:26] what makes you say that? [06:38:38] apache on windows doesn't like the colon in file paths [06:39:14] No way to elevate that? [06:39:28] besides going linux [06:40:09] dont use fancy urls [06:40:32] Meh [06:40:36] ill just leave it [06:40:53] Its just flooding my logs, nothing serious [06:41:00] strip the error log of those boring messages periodically? [06:41:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Short_URL/Archive_1#Colon_issue_with_Very_Short_URLs_on_Windows [06:41:21] (no solution shown there though) [06:41:45] ((seems to be a different error actually)) [06:42:07] http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4407 [06:42:14] old thread, but same problem [06:43:04] mayhap a rewrite rule could %3A it before apache looked at it too closely [06:43:54] (although Title.php might need a little hacky, since it normalizes it in short urls) [06:56:02] ^_^ Yay, I finally figured out what I was doing wrong with the branch/copy command in TortoiseSVN [07:17:51] lol Dantman [07:19:46] You know how there is a 'From', and a 'To'... Apparently From is the revision/path to start, and To is the revision/path to end, and that becomes the range which is merged into the CURRENT directory.... ^_^ For the longest time I thought that From was the path and revision range to merge from, and To was the path and revision range to merge that into [07:20:45] ^_^ Obviously merging is going to utterly fail when you're trying to merge a range which resides in two completely different directories... rotfl [07:21:09] Especially if that second one is the current directory you're trying to merge into ;) [07:23:27] Dantman: So, you stole my idea. [07:23:35] What one? [07:28:09] morning [07:30:52] Werdna: ? [07:37:04] hi guillom [07:37:09] hi [07:37:18] Dantman: that central blacklisting extension has been on my todo list for yonks :P [07:37:21] no time to do it now, though [07:37:27] gotta do thuis deletion queueing thing [07:37:49] ^_^ Din't know you had an idea like that... though it's a little more than just a central blacklisting extension [07:38:18] just be careful not to duplicate AbuseFilter [07:38:31] I'm thinking of adding various ui improvements for it after the core is done [07:38:33] they're different things, for sure. [07:38:42] yeah, the blacklists need a better UI [07:38:53] As I understand AbuseFilter is a throttle like thing, this is a Whitelist/Blacklist [07:39:11] Well, better UI is part of the very core of this extension [07:39:16] I was going to do the same thing.. do it all with a special page, rather than an ugly MediaWiki page. [07:39:20] That is part of the core [07:39:57] AbuseFilter is an extension, it's basically for when you need rules more complicated than a straightforward regex blacklist. [07:40:31] It's basically all the blacklists combined, plus some extra fancy features and better ways of matching edits and better consequences for edits that do match [07:40:37] but that means a performance penalty per-rule. [07:40:40] (parsing etc) [07:40:47] What I meant by adding various ui things after done with the core... Might be something like adding a hepfull link in the toolbox on a userpage which lists a quick link to use the filter to globalblock them, stop name creation, and stop editing of their user page/talk [07:41:19] nifty. [07:41:28] brb [07:46:49] *Werdna re-turnz [08:26:25] *Werdna cuddles Lady_Aleena [08:26:45] *Lady_Aleena cuddles Werdna. [08:27:06] how goeth teh templates? [08:27:08] Werdna, you forgot your end punctuation. :) [08:27:15] Which one? [08:27:55] the ones you were getting help with [08:28:14] The banner is on hold for a day or two until I delve into the show/hide thing, and the other is all right now, though I may have problems with it in the future since it uses #ifexist in it. [08:28:37] *Werdna hopes you have good music on hold [08:28:57] What? [08:29:41] *Lady_Aleena is currently listening to Bad Animals by Heart. [08:30:33] I had no clue until today that there was a parser function limit. [08:31:20] *Lady_Aleena thinks she lost Werdna somewhere. [08:31:31] banner is on hold [08:31:35] as in on the phone [08:35:08] Ah, I understand. [08:37:23] brb [08:46:32] back [08:50:12] hey guys... is it possible to retrieve data from a database on wiki pages by implementing a parser function like {{#data:table|column|value}}? [08:51:50] i searched through mediawiki's extension library but couldn't find something that suits this purpose [08:52:00] 03(NEW) Search and Linksearch special pages belong in one group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14865 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [08:53:13] when trying to write such an extension myself, I met errors which seemed to say that the database connection I was trying to establish conflicted with mediawiki inner database calls [08:55:02] Wyvernoid, give them a few minutes to wake up. Sometimes answers take a while. :) [08:56:14] ohh thanks... does anybody know about this issue? [09:02:29] Erm... well, there is one or two... However why do you want that? You do understand how insecure that is? [09:02:30] Wyvernoid: Were you using the internal MediaWiki database functions, ones of your own, or the built in PHP MySQL functions? [09:03:18] Dantman: THere are many reasons for wanting that, and its not insecure as long as you don't give access to the MediaWiki database tables. [09:03:33] (or completely safe room it by using a different database). [09:03:36] I was using the built-in PHP MySQL functions [09:03:53] Yes, that won't work. [09:03:54] and trying to use a different database, yeah [09:04:14] I tried to read the Database, LoadBalancer class codes, but couldn't find a way to make use of that code [09:04:43] And that's why I'm trying to ask help here... Does anyone know how this should be tended to? [09:05:37] There's a page about using the database classes, one moment. [09:06:44] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_access [09:07:04] Ohh, thanks. I'll try to read that page first... [09:07:29] np [09:09:57] MinuteElectron: Hmmm... That page doesn't seem to provide information on how to retrieve data from a distinct database... [09:10:39] labas [09:13:26] Wyvernoid: Instanciate a new database object. [09:13:43] You should be able to work out how by reading the comments. [09:13:52] [in Database.php] [09:14:22] kraupu: hello [09:17:13] MinuteElectron: Okay, I'll try that. Just a few questions to eliminate possible mistakes though: is the return value of wfGetDB a Database object? [09:17:21] yes [09:17:50] Remember the DB_MASTER or DB_SLAVE [09:18:05] And... am I supposed to create a new database object by using something like $myvar = new Database ( params... ) ? [09:18:10] yes [09:18:31] that is, I'm not going to use wfGetDB at all? [09:18:32] or there might be some sort of static constructor [09:18:38] uh? [09:18:42] Wyvernoid: No, you won't be using wfGetDB [09:19:01] Duesentrieb: He wants to access a non-MediaWiki database. [09:19:08] ah. [09:19:16] Ohh thanks for that [09:19:20] MinuteElectron: you can access a non-MediaWiki db using wfGetDB... [09:19:33] Werdna: But you need the object first, no? [09:19:39] Database::newFromParams( ... ); [09:19:46] wfGetDB( DB_MASTER, 'dbname' ); [09:20:04] Werdna: It might be another connection [09:20:17] Wyvernoid: eh? [09:20:23] different host [09:20:26] different username [09:20:27] etc. [09:20:28] oh [09:20:29] exactly [09:20:33] then you need the different load balancer. [09:20:44] Also anyway, just out of curiousity [09:20:57] $wgLBFactoryConf = array( 'class' => 'LBFactory_Multi', [09:21:07] What are DB_MASTER and DB_SLAVE after all and what is the difference between them? [09:21:17] They are for load balancing [09:21:20] Wyvernoid: DB_MASter is for writing, DB_SLAVE is for reading. [09:21:40] They're both for the MediaWiki main database, if I'm not mistaken? [09:21:41] MinuteElectron: not necessarily. [09:21:50] We use DB_MASTER for reading sometimes too. [09:21:56] sure [09:21:58] Wyvernoid: Not necessarily. [09:22:01] Wyvernoid: they only matter for a heavy duty setup with multiple slave databases. [09:22:01] but not often [09:22:12] Duesentrieb: You mean slave servers? [09:22:34] I'm still not sure what the differences of these two params are... [09:22:44] Werdna: uh... both, technically. [09:23:30] Wyvernoid: In Wikimedia, we have three master servers. Those are the "main" database servers. But to lighten the load on those servers, we have the data replicated to several other "slave" servers, which can be used for reading. [09:23:51] Wyvernoid: if you need to write to the database, use DB_MASTER . Otherwise, use DB_SLAVE. If you want to know the background, read about mysql replication. [09:23:58] So one server holds the master copy of the database, and another few hold read-only copies of the information. [09:24:13] So this basically means that in small wiki installations it doesn't really matter? [09:24:21] yes. [09:24:32] but for good practice, you should use DB_MASTER for writing and DB_SLAVE for reading [09:24:33] Ohh okay, thanks [09:24:38] in case your code gets used by somebody else [09:24:42] Got it. [09:24:45] ^_^ My load balancer explicitly understands the concept of a standalone db server... heh [09:26:40] Hmmm... damn, I can't remember who it was that was interested in that bit of code... Nikerabbit? [09:26:45] Oh wait... Guys I have another question [09:26:47] If some error occurs during the database connection establishment, the result is a "Database error" page, no? [09:27:02] mhm [09:27:05] m+ [09:27:41] What if I just want it to show as an inline error message (since ultimately, the entry point to retrieving the data is a parser function)? [09:27:43] 03(mod) Pipe trick parsing fails for wikilinks with both a prefix and anchor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14734 (10danny.b) [09:28:20] Wyvernoid: it throws an MWException. [09:28:22] Use a try-catch. [09:28:29] try { ... } catch( DBError $e ) { ... } [09:28:43] Don't catch MWException, DB issues throw a DBError [09:28:53] a DBError is an MWException. [09:29:04] Ohh okay if there is a DBError, I'd better catch that [09:29:07] yes, but you're to loose if you're catching MWExceptions [09:29:32] I'm to loose? [09:29:34] You could unintentially catch a non-db issue that you do want to have mw handle [09:30:19] Imagine trying to run if you caught a fatal error caused by something not being defined? [09:30:57] I'm to loose? [09:30:59] He probably meant "you're *too* loose" [09:31:16] Heh... I hate 'too' [09:31:33] to lose == bad, lost data, too loose == good, heh [09:32:10] your bits are loose? [09:32:24] your use of lose is loose? [09:32:40] "you [09:32:50] 're to lose data" "you're too loose with your query" [09:33:16] the proximity of apostrophe and enter strikes again [09:33:20] Honnesly, I know about 'too' however when I was in school the teachers tought me the difference between to and too in a way that made 'too' far more confusingly complex than it actually was [09:33:40] Can't get that out of my system [09:33:43] This is far 'too' off-topic... [09:33:43] haha [09:34:05] this has gone two far [09:34:09] heh [09:34:14] now now, back too it. [09:34:36] *Splarka affects an effect, and effects an affect [09:34:47] *Werdna giggles. [09:35:33] Your grammar indicates if you're smart. [09:36:29] http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/10/08/embarassing-typo/ [09:36:48] [citation heeded] [09:36:49] 03(mod) Create a wap mobile gateway for the english wikinews similiar to wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14755 (10danny.b) [09:38:02] 03(mod) Make pages in User: namespace transparent to meta:User: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14759 (10danny.b) [09:40:32] Heh, gotta love the Wikipedia ones: http://xkcd.com/446/ [09:41:30] rotfl: http://xkcd.com/443/ [09:41:40] wait what? what was the typo [09:43:46] 03(mod) Special: WantedPages should use simpler query so it can be enabled again - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14786 (10danny.b) [09:44:45] "foriegn" instead of "foreign" while, effecting an effect [09:45:50] 03(mod) Special:Export remove "Category:" (or local name) from text box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14790 (10danny.b) [09:48:47] 03(mod) double hyphen should be interpreted as mdash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14795 +comment (10danny.b) [09:48:52] 03(mod) Automatic hyphens to (localized?) dashes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485 +comment (10danny.b) [09:58:17] 03(mod) A hook to enable putting options to the preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14806 (10danny.b) [10:03:41] 14(DUP) Customize the toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14808 +comment (10danny.b) [10:03:47] 03(mod) Bulletin board style toolbar for common editing functions should be more accessible for change and modification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14530 +comment (10danny.b) [10:06:11] Danny_B, you wern't an entomologist in a previous life, perchance? [10:07:02] 03rotem * r37868 10/trunk/extensions/timeline/Timeline.i18n.php: Localization update for he. [10:07:16] Splarka: i don't remember... *shrug* [10:08:24] you sure love sorting bugs! [10:11:04] 03(mod) IRC rc bot should send an 'R' flag if the page is a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14843 (10danny.b) [10:11:57] Splarka: i'm just going through the pile in my mailbox from last 14 days i didn't have time for it [10:14:07] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Mainpage used when MediaWiki: Mainpage-url should be used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14848 (10danny.b) [10:20:06] Ho guys, how do i change the defult recent chages perameters from 50 edits / 7 days to 50 edits / 1 day [10:20:09] Hi^ [10:20:23] 14(DUP) Add to permitted HTML elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14847 +comment (10danny.b) [10:20:26] 03(mod) Whitelist more HTML tags: abbr acronym address dfn kbd q samp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671 +comment (10danny.b) [10:23:14] Prom3th3an: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions [10:23:34] 'rcdays' => 1, [10:24:20] you may also wish to check $wgRCLinkLimits and $wgRCLinkDays if you want to limit the available defaults too [10:26:07] Yes i already did those [10:26:09] :) [10:26:46] Thats much better, I wasnt looking at the resources the wiki was chewing to build the recent changes list (when theres only like 20 edits a day atm) [10:27:07] Its performance impact ad dropped expedentioaly [10:27:14] has^ [10:28:23] you can limit the days it goes back as well [10:28:34] but with 20 edits a day, you might want to expand it, actually [10:29:26] :/ Damnit, why'd you have to bring out xkcd [10:29:54] Nah, i dont mind it being there, as long as its not loaded everytime someone wants to check whats happened one day to the next [10:35:47] Prom3th3an: I mean, you can limit how far back the RC data is stored: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCMaxAge [10:35:54] which is different than the other 3 things above [10:41:05] 14(INVALID) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on English Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14739 +comment (10paul) [11:03:04] 03(NEW) MediaWiki: Recentchangeslinked to be split into four individual messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14866 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [11:37:53] Hello [11:38:38] every wikipage has a title, so the mainpage to [11:39:51] can i hidden the title on the mainpage "firstHeading" ? [11:39:55] yes [11:39:58] with site css [11:40:26] an little exampel? [11:43:33] i want it only on the mainpage hidden [11:43:57] what is your main page called? Main Page ? [11:44:10] every page has a (mostly) unique class on the tag [11:44:24] body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {display:none;} [11:46:25] view the page source for the classes: that last one is the one you wanna use, CorneliusWasmund [11:52:10] Splarka: i see, but sadly do not work [11:52:11] body.page-Hauptseite h1.firstHeading {display:none;} [11:52:28] where did you add it? [11:52:44] and did you clear your browser cache? [11:53:48] oh sorry [11:54:02] yes Duesentrieb, but i used the false css [11:54:08] *grml [11:54:48] all skins used /w/skins/common/shared.css ? [11:55:18] nooooo [11:55:22] edit MediaWiki:Common.css on site [11:55:45] (it won't affect all skins, but will affect half of them, so is useful) [11:55:54] the only file you should ever have to edit on the disk is LocalSettings [11:57:44] ok OverlordQ, can i make this change with LocalSettings? [11:58:01] no [11:58:07] edit a page on your wiki, called MediaWiki:Common.css [11:58:19] that applies CSS to all skins [11:58:27] [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] [11:58:40] !css [11:58:40] --mwbot-- To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [11:59:12] for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [11:59:32] thank you [11:59:44] and purge cache after [12:00:01] Ahh I think I'm done with the 'retrieving data from a database' extension =] [12:00:09] Thanks to everyone who helped me with it just now [12:04:51] 14(INVALID) Make 'new section' bold and 'edit this page' regular on talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14855 +comment (10soxred93) [12:06:33] it works :) [12:50:20] Danny_B: it's a bugzilla, feel free to fix if I made mistakes, which I do [12:52:19] Dantman: what? [12:52:50] You were the one interested in my db class right? [12:56:14] Dantman: well more like in the idea, I don't have currently any project where I would use it [12:56:25] but if there was one, I would be marketing it :) [12:57:30] Well, while it only has helper functions currently for a insanely simple select (and a few admin functions), I can tell you my code is working... My site is now using db stuff in a bit of the code [12:57:51] http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/electronicme/trunk/electronicme/includes/ [12:58:30] Take a look at the classes in db/ including the LoadBalancer, and also checkout model/Model.php and model/datamodels/ [12:59:21] Though you may also be interested in pager/ it's pretty interesting on it's own [13:00:24] Though, I'll need to work on the Database backend for the pager... But the output and filter setup it has is interesting [13:01:27] ^_^ Though, off that and onto something more MediaWiki related... I've actually finished something extremely interesting..... Though, since it requires me to to a full wiki import to show it off it's going to be a few hours till I can let people see [13:02:09] Dantman: :o [13:02:28] Dantman: have you seen my extremely interesting thing :D [13:02:37] heh, what? [13:12:43] MediaWiki:Common.css [13:12:49] is this syntax true? [13:13:02] Dantman: http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=Sandbox_translate?uselang=fi [13:13:20] body.page-Hauptseite body.page-anotherpage2 body.page-anotherpage3 h1.firstHeading { [13:13:22] display: none; [13:13:26] } [13:14:07] Nikerabbit: ^_^ You mean http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=Sandbox_translate&uselang=fi [13:14:20] Dantman: oh, yes [13:14:33] (why in earth there needs to be two symbols...) [13:15:30] *Dantman shutters...... eeeeeeewwwwwwwwww... [13:16:10] Dantman: basically people say either "very cool, I like it!" or "ewww, what is this shit?" [13:16:35] ^_^ The idea of content negociated by interface language is nice... [13:16:44] However the syntax is absolutely disgusting [13:17:14] Dantman: only thing that needs manualy added are the tags [13:17:22] rest are filled in automatically [13:17:39] Dantman: you mean me? [13:17:46] no [13:17:59] your css is correct [13:18:12] Code cruft is code cruft, even if it's automatic..... And the automatic stuff is the worst [13:18:42] Dantman: it is not cruft, it is there to track changes to sections [13:19:17] either there is big lump of text, invalidated on every change, or smaller sections which can be moved around and changed without affecting others [13:19:32] It's still cruft in the line that it's automatic data, which is highly technical and has a visually disturbing appeal in the code [13:20:03] Dantman: it's the best we can do with "raw tetx" [13:34:07] ugh: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateUtils.php?revision=37696&view=markup [13:35:00] Disturbing... not only is there raw sql... but it's doing things we have core functions for which are more reliable [13:39:43] Dantman: which part exactly? [13:40:52] so there is $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; ut how can I specify it on a namespace? [13:41:29] Checking existences [13:42:55] ...should be done with...? [13:44:10] Title::exists() [13:44:41] do i really need to install an extension for namespace permissions? [13:45:21] Dantman: yeah, right, doing 1000 queries instead of one, not to mention the overhead of constructing the title objects? [13:45:36] Subfader: yes you need to, mediawiki was not designed to be a cms [13:45:56] i know. but if $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; is a golbal... ;) [13:46:39] and i can set $wgGroupPermissions['GROUP']['edit'] = false; etc [13:46:54] just not read per namespace as it seems [13:48:04] or you can set action permissions per namespace via $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_FOO] = array( 'editfoo' ); #permission "editfoo" required to edit the foo namespace [13:48:26] Ever seen LinkBatch? [13:48:27] and it doesn't work for 'readfoo' really confusing! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces [13:48:49] but i use an extension now. ok [13:49:44] Dantman: yep, that might do [13:49:56] However that leaves me with a query... [13:50:45] Why do you even need to query for that much at a point in time where speed is critical? [13:51:59] Dantman: if you figure a way to get contents of N pages in one query, that would be nice [13:52:19] where page_namespace=0 and page_title in (...) [13:52:55] ;) Also, other extensions do need to do existence checks... if making a Title instance is so heavy... Then perhaps you should add a function or two to the title class for batch checking title existences based on id's and/or titles [13:54:58] it is not so heavy itself, but all I really need is an efficient way to get contents of N pages [13:55:28] creating Title objects for that is not very efficient wrt memory or function calls [13:56:59] 03ialex * r37869 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: [13:56:59] * order aplhabetically [13:56:59] * avoid using $this [13:58:16] hello [13:58:50] I've had mediawiki working, but I've just had to reinstall mySQL and now it complains about "access denied for user 'admin'@'localhost'..." [13:59:11] I have reset the password so I assume the problem is that the database doesn't exist - but mediawiki created the database itself after I gave it the password to do so. [13:59:16] How can I make it do that again? [14:00:17] Jan`: if you have phpMyAdmin, you do it there [14:00:35] Oh. Er. [14:00:56] I've looked through some of the files - although I don't know what I'm doing really - and found this: [14:00:57] $wgDBname = "wikidb"; [14:01:05] I assume the database should be called "wikidb" [14:01:19] yes [14:02:07] Nope, still the same problem. [14:02:47] Um. Any suggestions? [14:03:11] Are there any tables inside the wikidb database? [14:03:21] No idea. I'm not a DB person. [14:03:48] hm [14:03:51] "no tables found in database" [14:03:57] I assume not, then [14:04:21] Then... it seems that your whole wiki database is lost [14:04:31] oh that's fine there was nothing in it anyway [14:04:43] Jan`: just reinstall mediawiki [14:04:46] I wouldn't have reinstalled if I'd wanted any of ti. [14:04:49] Do a reinstallation maybe [14:04:49] follow the installation instructions from the start [14:04:52] flyingparchment: I'd really rather not. [14:04:55] why not? [14:04:57] It was painful enough the first time round. [14:05:14] all you have to do is fill in a form [14:05:15] is there no way I can just make it do whatever it did the first time out? [14:05:18] You can't do anything with the wiki if there are no tables in the main database... [14:05:35] flyingparchment: As I say, I'm not a technical bod. It was asking questions which I didn't even understand, let alone have the answers for. [14:06:31] Then you should really ask someone who is experienced in this field to install MediaWiki for you [14:07:10] Oh jeez. I've done it once. You're telling me the only way to fix this is to do it all over again? [14:07:18] aww [14:07:26] Dantman: and the docmentation on revision.php is horrible [14:07:37] Jan`: I think so... [14:07:48] D: [14:07:48] ^_^ What do you expect, this is MediaWiki [14:08:02] In fact it's not so difficult [14:08:20] It's not just the documentation, none of the code is well rounded, everything could be implemented in a far cleaner way [14:08:44] Dantman: To be fair, all software engineers think that about all *other* software engineers' code :D [14:09:06] mediawiki is a hack of a hack of a hack [14:09:17] couldn't care less [14:09:19] just want it to work [14:09:23] it does what it's supposed to do quite well, but it's by no means a well written piece of software [14:09:43] *Wyvernoid agrees [14:09:43] it mostly doesn't matter until you try to extend it [14:09:47] (just out of interest, do you guys get anything on http://emeraldbox.dyndns.org ) [14:10:13] Sometimes it's a pain in the ass to read the code and try to understand how they work [14:10:27] Wyvernoid: Not trying to read the code. [14:10:29] Just want it to work. [14:10:35] Which right now it isn't [14:10:42] Jan`: They weren't talking to you. [14:10:50] And occasionally you see in the comments a note left by Tim Starling complaining about something =P [14:10:52] Dantman: mm I could add Revision::loadLatestFromNamespace() or something [14:10:56] I know. I just get impatient with this "code must be beautiful" thing :D [14:11:10] why? [14:11:10] Eh? [14:11:32] MinuteElectron: Jan` 's MediaWiki installation is totally screwed [14:11:38] and he wouldn't do a reinstallation [14:11:45] Well that's his problem then. [14:11:46] Eh? <- Was direct to Nike [14:11:52] Well as far as I know the mediawiki installation is fine. [14:11:55] It just can't find the database. [14:12:06] Or connect to it. Or something. It isn't being very verbose about the problem. [14:12:15] what DOES it say? [14:12:21] Jan`: You reinstalled MySQL therefore the old database will be gone. [14:12:22] Hmm... How many databases are there? [14:12:24] Thoughts has a problem [14:12:29] (Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'admin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost)) [14:12:39] At least, you won't be able to see it from your installation of MySQL. [14:12:46] just reinstall it [14:12:48] it's not THAT har [14:12:49]