[00:05:29] Requesting a global css and js file to go with my global account. Pretty please with sugar on top? :) [00:05:55] You wish XD [00:06:24] Mike_lifeguard, that is the point, I am expressing that wish. [00:07:42] I would also love to have a template attached to my common account that I could attack to all of the others, with maybe the exception of my main account. [00:07:44] Lady_Aleena: that is the point, I am agreeing with that wish while noting it is difficult and something to hope for long-term :) [00:09:00] *Lady_Aleena ponders where on Wiki to express that wish and if others would support it enough to get it done. [00:12:20] Though it is nice to at least have a list. Though I would love to have #skin installed. [00:17:14] Lady_Aleena, you could do it like this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Darkoneko/monobook.css [00:18:04] Either way, I have to figure out which skin I am using and then set it up. [00:18:14] Is the default always monobook? [00:18:21] I think so [00:18:21] as I recall, yes [00:18:29] but check your pref and ou'll know [00:18:33] +y [00:18:54] since when does [[Special:MySkin]] not work? [00:19:16] I didn't know about [[Special:MySkin]]. [00:19:25] uh ? [00:19:25] Just the parser function #skin. [00:19:33] I only know about special:mypage [00:19:40] special:mypage/monobook.css :) [00:19:50] yeah, but there is mytalk too (and I thought there was myskin at one point) [00:19:54] if not there should be [00:21:05] And it is monobook.css in all languages? [00:21:14] yes. [00:21:20] ooh [00:21:25] didn't know about mytalk either :o [00:25:32] This is a lot of .css files to edit, either way. [00:25:41] 03(NEW) Thumbnailing fails after purging of djvu file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14872 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (snottygobble) [00:26:45] DarkoNeko, are those commeted tags needed? [00:31:32] DarkoNeko, it doesn't work for me for some reason. [00:38:07] 03(NEW) Allowing setting of cookie prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14873 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikiadmin) [00:38:57] 03(mod) Allowing setting of cookie prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14873 (10wikiadmin) [00:45:14] Lady_Aleena ) DarkoNeko, are those commeted tags needed? <- hm ? [00:45:33] well, they worked when I did put them [00:45:37] DarkoNeko, I tried the use the import option for the css files, but it didn't work. [00:45:45] but I realised the identation coloration isn't working anymore [00:45:55] geez, maybe simehting changed in the soft in the meanwhile [00:46:05] I mean, I made that pagein may 2006 :) [00:48:00] Well, I just created or updated 19 css files across the wiki world. [00:48:19] congrats [00:48:52] *Mike_lifeguard has done ~700 ;) [00:49:11] I just have to decide whether I want my js to travel too. [00:49:28] Any chance there is a hook I can use to change the way headings render? [00:51:40] YurtleTheTurtle, what do you want them to render like? [00:53:06] I want to frame them in a SWF so I can render them smothly using non-standard fonts [00:54:08] Sorry, I can't help there. [00:54:11] *Lady_Aleena eeps. [00:54:50] :) Its going to have to be a mod, CSS will be... in effective at best [01:03:26] YurtleTheTurtle_: It has to be a patch IMO since there doesn't seem to be a hook (in includes/Parser.php, function doHeadings() & formatHeadings() [01:05:55] Wyvernoid: Thanks. [01:06:31] You're changing *headings* to *SWFs*? [01:06:50] At a minimum, that will really not be good for search engines. [01:08:24] Is there a unified log in channel? [01:08:29] There are still ToCs... Also, missing some section titles won't really do harm IMO [01:08:51] Lady_Aleena, here and #wikimedia-tech are the places. [01:09:05] Wyvernoid, search engines pay special attention to tags. [01:09:24] Seriously, you can't get nice fonts on the web. People don't expect them. Live with it. [01:09:29] You shouldn't be overriding user preferences anyway. [01:09:52] I think I just figured out how to get them all, just visit all of the user:Lady Aleena pages and that activates the unified log ins on the various places. Interesting to me. [01:10:16] Hmm... What about [01:10:17] Lady_Aleena, whenever you visit *any* page on a wiki, an account is created for you there if you're logged in on any other. [01:10:24] Wyvernoid, what's that supposed to do? [01:10:44] Simetrical, I didn't know that. Thanks! [01:10:55] Hides it from viewers (style="display: none") [01:11:12] Simetrical: Its a stylistc thing. Page looks like an old book with giant Arial headers. Trying to give it some nice gothic headers. And the mod wouldn't give the SWF headers for any bot that properly identifies itself. [01:11:52] Hurrah, content cloaking too. [01:12:20] Wyvernoid, I know what the class does, I mean what's the goal in adding it? I'm pretty sure search bots know basic CSS these days anyway. [01:12:49] content cloaking hurrah! [01:12:54] I think not... [01:13:33] I remember reading something about crawling bots that they will ignore any Javascript and CSS styles [01:13:47] Historically, yes. Now, I'm pretty sure not. [01:29:42] After some searching and reading, I think you're right. Hiding text in such way is strongly discouraged, and although Google suggests that you use some descriptive HTML for the flash heading, it cannot have the same significance as s. [01:30:57] Web authors need to get used to the fact that on the web, you don't get to choose fonts to any significant degree. [01:31:18] This is something that browser authors are working to rectify. In a few years you might be able to embed fonts in a nice way. But not now. [01:31:59] You can use images, but you really do not want to use those for anything except logos and the like, top-level heading sort of things. [01:32:06] Simetrical: the whole _point_ was that you don't get to choose fonts [01:32:15] carl-m, the whole point of what? [01:32:21] IP restrictions will prety much make font's useless anyway [01:32:40] YurtleTheTurtle_, not if they're licensed for embedding. Or if they're free. [01:32:41] the web [01:33:16] carl-m, well, I wouldn't go that far at all. HTML originally didn't contain any stylistic information, but that was an initial design decision based on its early uses. I wouldn't call it "the whole point of the web". [01:33:43] Simetrical: Of course, now we need the commons to start collecting some so there will actually be more, and nice, free ones. [01:33:50] I would replace 'early' with 'intended' [01:35:31] carl-m, HTML was always intended to be a format used for storing and providing any conceivable sort of information. Tim Berners-Lee envisioned a web that contained all information worth knowing. [01:35:44] It wasn't ever intended to be restricted to academia or anything like that. That's just how it got its first foothold. [01:36:07] And here we have a web of all porn with watching, and some not so much.... [01:36:13] *worth [02:13:21] Do I need access to the server to install this? [02:14:11] to install mediawiki? [02:14:19] you need to install the mediawiki files on the web server [02:14:26] and you need access to a database server [02:14:44] but it is possible to do without shell access [02:14:52] ok... [02:15:09] it is, however, harder to administer without shell access [02:15:53] Ok, Should I just use another wiki software... I am planning on making my own server soon, but I am using a webhost for the time being [02:16:33] mediawiki is not designed for minimal environments, so another system might be better, if it has the features you want [02:16:56] uhhhhh [02:17:14] i would call ctrl-e clearing the content you are in the middle of editing, a bug [02:17:21] The main feature I want is SMF user integration.... [02:17:30] hooch: wouldn't that be a browser issue? [02:17:39] MXIIA: you can look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software [02:18:00] if i hit ctrl-e to edit content .. and i'm editing it, ctrl-e should be disabled i would think [02:18:00] Ok, thank you marl-m [02:18:03] *carl-m [02:18:18] i hit ctrl-e to go to end of line and lost a fair bit of text [02:18:39] hooch: what browser is that? [02:18:50] carl-m: safari [02:18:52] mine doesn't recognize ctrl-e when editing [02:18:55] i'll see what firefox doe [02:18:55] hooch, the problem is that everybody else's browser uses all different letters for different things. [02:19:12] Safari and IE are incredibly obnoxious in choosing accesskey prefixes that conflict with existing shortcuts. [02:19:23] Use Firefox, that is my 2 cents [02:19:36] i don't mind ctrl-e to edit, it's groovy.. but shouldn't it disable itself when you're editing? [02:19:38] I'd love to have my wikis back... dammit. [02:19:40] We don't specify "Ctrl-E" as a shortcut. We specify "E". Safari interprets it as "Ctrl-E" despite the fact that that's a key combination it already uses for something else. [02:19:41] *hooch checks ff [02:19:47] hooch, Safari should do that. [02:19:57] Firefox uses Alt-Shift-E, and in general Alt-Shift for prefixes. [02:20:06] Likewise, Opera uses Ctrl-Esc- or something. [02:20:18] Simetrical: if i hit ctrl-e and then ctrl-e whilst editing, the editor reloads to the state before i started editing [02:20:26] There's not a lot web authors can do if we want accesskeys at all. [02:20:36] so it's not a problem of overlapping keys... [02:20:41] /shortcuts [02:21:09] Well, yes, we can paper around the problem in some cases. We could disable this accesskey on edit, for instance. [02:21:25] The basic problem is unavoidable with browsers that have retarded accesskey prefixes. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477 [02:21:29] You know what we need? A magic wand function. [02:21:52] Magicwand.php. One run, and poof, whatever you wish. [02:24:25] Okay, question-time. Would the wrong MySQL client version cause a 1.12 installation to suddenly stop working? [02:24:49] Never had this happen before... so. [02:25:26] what do you mean by stop working? [02:25:40] Like, return a 404 error. [02:25:44] 404, no. [02:25:48] Database error. [02:26:00] Or, 500. [02:26:01] 404 means maybe some bad rewrite rule, or of course the files are really missing. [02:26:10] No, database error should not give a standard 500 error page. [02:26:23] So that could be an incorrect SQL client? [02:26:29] It should give a MW-generated page (which may or may not use a 500 error code). [02:26:35] What could be? [02:26:44] Causing a 500 error. [02:26:51] Unlikely. Check Apache error logs. [02:26:54] if it's a 500 error, read the http error log [02:26:56] Or other webserver. [02:28:13] What am I looking for? "Premature end of script headers". Is that any clue? [02:28:18] firefox i get the same thing [02:28:34] the HTML says accesskey="e" regardless of the edit-state [02:29:21] Simetrical: i don't see the connection with browser accesskey prefixes .. the thing i'm talking about is having *any* accesskey for edit whilst in an edit [02:29:29] in safari, why would control-e move to end of line? [02:29:31] is there a case for it? [02:29:33] or is it command-e [02:30:15] occasionally, you do click the edit link when editing [02:30:17] carl-m: unix convention is ctrl-a/ctrl-e - but that's okay.. the overlapping access key is not what i'm huffed up about.. it's having any accesskey for edit whilst in an edit [02:30:38] hooch: right, but my vague memory of safari is it uses apple keys [02:30:50] anyway, if the edit link is clickable, why should its access key be disabled? [02:31:11] carl-m: more prone to erroneous hits [02:32:52] you could always use command-right to go to end of line [02:33:06] as a workaround [02:34:45] *hooch writes his 300 words again [02:39:01] hooch, it's more consistent than not to have an accesskey for editing while editing. [02:39:15] hooch, there's no reason to arbitrarily disable stuff just because you have some preconceived notion it's not useful. [02:39:39] Now, if you want to say that as a workaround for this Safari stupidity it's best to disable the E accesskey on edit, I might agree with you. [02:40:00] But there's nothing wrong with the shortcut in principle. [02:40:30] except if you bump it you lose your text with no prospect of recovering it [02:41:03] benefit of having it VS risks of having it ... i think risks outweigh benefits [02:41:20] Only if 1) your browser is configured so you're likely to bump it (when was the last time you bumped Alt-Shift-E, let alone Ctrl-Esc-E?); and 2) your browser sucks so much that it doesn't save entered form data when you navigate to another page. [02:41:27] Neither applies to, for instance, Firefox 2 or later. [02:42:06] you're mistaken [02:42:16] In which respect? [02:42:33] i open firefox. i hit the edit shortcut. i type something. i hit the edit shortcut. i hit the back arrow, and the content i lost is not there. [02:42:47] so the your browser sucks argument is a misnomer [02:43:03] Hmm, I guess because it has the same URL. [02:43:06] Okay, that point is wrong. [02:43:09] The other one is still right. [02:43:34] and the benefits of retaining the access key during an edit are ? [02:44:24] i know you guys are like the programmers and have made an amazing product. and i'm like just a n00b.. just putting the argument, ok :) pls don't take offence [02:46:17] I said your browser is broken and stupid. I didn't say that we shouldn't make some effort to work around it. [02:46:38] and safari is a great browser. i came from linux and safari just walked all over firefox on mac. [02:47:21] i wanted to use firefox but it sucked. [02:47:48] Firefox 3 is a lot better. [02:47:55] 03simetrical * r37876 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/Modern.php skins/MonoBook.php): [02:47:55] * The accesskey to edit a page is now disabled when editing the page, to prevent conflicts with Safari shortcuts (Ctrl-E = go to end of line). [02:47:55] * Fix watch checkbox for real in Firefox 3. It still wasn't working right, due to the duplicate use of the W accesskey for the watch/unwatch tab. This is now disabled on edit. [02:47:59] Anyway, there you go. [02:48:09] CIA-54: heh :) legend [02:48:15] 14(INVALID) Someone has toally changed the Vietnam page, and maybe many others. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14874 +comment (10cbrown1023) [02:48:25] nice bot [02:48:37] But anyway, Fx3 has much better Mac integration, and is faster than Fx2. You might want to try it out sometime. [02:48:52] Although if you like Safari, no problem, just in this respect it totally sucks. [02:48:55] Along with IE. [02:49:03] Opera and Firefox (>= 2) get this right. [02:49:17] aww IE is in a class of its own [02:49:46] Well, not on this. [02:49:57] In other ways, Safari is just as good as Firefox and Opera, yeah. [02:50:05] thanks for your time on this, and the information of the fix. much appreciated [02:50:24] Just information? What about authorship? [02:50:35] Why, that took a good ten minutes of half-paying attention to code. [02:50:44] oh i didn't understand that that was a check in [02:50:45] thanks!! [02:51:14] Although I wanted to do it anyway, to fix Firefox's behavior with duplicate accesskeys. (Which is entirely sane and reasonable, just not quite suited to how MediaWiki formerly outputted accesskeys.) [02:51:21] *Firefox 3's [03:07:16] Simetrical: thanks again [03:44:54] i have a mediawiki that my organization is using to discuss recruitment/membership stuff. at the end of each cycle, we need to nuke it so discussion of potential members isn't visible when they become new members. this is a hassle, because we have to re-create a bunch of templates. is there any way we could simply delete the history of certain pages (or the entire wiki)? that would let us wipe sensitive discussions at the beginnig of each [03:44:54] new membership cycle. [04:37:11] *qsheets is part deaf tonight after the concert [04:37:51] 'twas Kid Rock and Rev. Run (of Run DMC) [04:48:01] 03shinjiman * r37877 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [04:53:55] 03shinjiman * r37878 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables [04:57:34] 03(NEW) site down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 04BLOCKER; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (scream) [04:59:16] 03(mod) site down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 (10scream) [05:03:06] 03(mod) site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 04BLOCKER->major; summary; +comment (10scream) [05:04:00] 14(WFM) site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 (10overlordq) [05:04:41] 04(REOPENED) site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 +comment (10overlordq) [05:13:52] r [05:58:34] Hey [05:58:44] Can I have two separate wikis running on the same server, both using xcache? [05:58:55] or will the xcache entries for each wiki interfere with eachother [06:51:15] 03(NEW) Create ipblock-exempt group on Russian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14876 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vasilvv) [07:31:53] 03dale * r37879 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (8 files in 6 dirs): [07:31:53] semantic helpers enhancements [07:31:53] renamed ntp npt in export (normal playback time). [07:31:53] abstracted get_person_img() function [07:49:21] 03(NEW) Edit section URL parameter should accept section name as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14877 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (webmaster) [07:56:53] is 14877 a dupe of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 ? [07:57:30] Looks like [07:59:07] *Splarka too lazy to log in [08:01:22] 14(DUP) Edit section URL parameter should accept section name as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14877 +comment (10charitwo) [08:01:27] 03(mod) edit sections by name and allow to create sections with previously nonexistent names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 +comment (10charitwo) [08:03:08] *Charitwo bops Splarka [08:03:24] *Splarka too lazy to react [08:03:55] well, it is 4am after all [08:08:39] 03(mod) edit sections by name and allow to create sections with previously nonexistent names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 (10webmaster) [08:13:46] O_O [08:27:51] "DB connection error: Unknown error" [08:28:11] Any idea what this error can be? [08:28:30] (ie. what are the possibility of an "Unknown error")? [08:45:20] Ohh I found the problem [09:37:13] 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801 +comment (10thogol) [09:57:18] Hi [10:05:02] is it a good idea to install semantic ext? does it make life easier? [10:08:23] 03(mod) Text change for MediaWiki:Clearyourcache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12517 (10sxwiki) [10:23:11] hi [10:32:47] is it a good idea to install semantic ext? does it make life easier? [10:34:43] depends on what you're doing [10:40:34] hmm well as of the moment its a public wiki [10:40:46] just wondering whether i would be of use ! [10:55:49] somebody please elaborate what you mean by "Code slush declared until after branching 1.13" ? [10:56:28] is that english? [10:57:45] no more big changes to 1.13 [10:58:07] is there a change list anyway? [10:58:10] all new big changes will go to 1.14, after 1.13 becomes its own branch (and release) [10:58:39] probably in progress [10:58:54] does slush mean frozen? [10:59:21] does spam mean salty meat? [10:59:37] never ate or bought spam :P [11:00:04] slush is a mix of ice and water, meaning it is partly frozen I suppose [11:00:39] cool [11:03:02] it just means brions Hammer of Reversion swings at +10 instead of +5 [11:03:33] he rolls a d30 [11:04:20] i prefer d10 system [11:05:37] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES [11:05:51] thx [11:10:06] 03aaron * r37880 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ReviewedPages_body.php: doc typo [11:36:10] uhm, question: is sitesupport-url|sitesupport broken or git it changed on trunk? it dosn't link to the page that i would expect [11:36:22] s/git/got [11:53:22] Hmm... Here's a problem: I have a parser function (say {{#blah:) that returns a list of values separated by pipe, eg. 35|56|27, in hope that they could fit into a template that wants unnamed/number parameters (say {{temp}}) [11:53:24] And I try to use this pattern {{temp|{{#blah:data}}}} hoping it could be equivalent to {{temp|35|56|27}}, but obviously it isn't working [11:53:25] So is there a workaround for this problem (or another way to make it work)? [11:53:47] Wyvernoid: Use the old preprocessor [11:54:28] Hmm... is there a drawback using the old pp? [11:55:54] performance, some bug fixes, etc [11:56:30] So... there is no good workaround that could make this work in new PP? [11:57:08] {{temp|{{#blah:data|1}}|{{#blah:data|2}}}} [11:59:11] Uhm... I've actually thought of doing that, but since this parser function I'm trying to implement does queries to a database (if you still remember) [11:59:40] Using it for multiple times might result in bad performance [12:00:14] maybe have it call the template itself? [12:00:42] {{#blah:data|call=temp}} or something [12:01:02] Wyvernoid: you can cache the result. [12:01:18] Werdna: How? [12:01:21] (but you can't make a call, transclusion, or whatever, generate parsable covered equals or pipes) [12:01:26] $parser->myParserFunctionDataCache[md5($data)] = $myResults; [12:01:30] and just retrieve the data from there. [12:02:40] Hmm... I seem to understand how this will work, but is there a documentation on this? [12:14:46] Hmm... Werdna? [12:17:58] hi guys [12:18:21] anyone here attended wikimania 2008 [12:22:09] Home__, me ... [12:22:34] hi [12:22:39] but I think that you'd get more success on #wikimania2008 Home__ [12:23:27] well do we get WYSIWYG in 1.13? ^__^ [12:24:47] I DID! [12:24:54] node100101: no ;-) [12:25:09] Home__: you're from Egypt? :) [12:33:07] Well, I'm still getting unexpected '{' in /extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php on line 35. (http://rafb.net/p/PEc0sS64.html) Any new ideas why this is happening? [12:34:56] What... there is no '{' on line 35 in my ParserFunctions.php @.@ [12:35:36] You might have a different version [12:36:31] AFAIK it shouldn't be a problem... yet it is. [12:38:05] Did you modify this file or? [12:38:18] Nope. [12:38:59] I've tried new installs... result: zippo. [12:39:29] No idea then, sorry :S [12:39:32] The parse error may jump lines, but it's always the same, right around that "try". [12:42:56] Wyvernoid, it's probably line 70 on yours [12:43:27] It's Line 74 for me [12:43:44] The code around that line are very the same in the two versions [12:43:55] *is [12:46:11] well this is daffy [12:47:24] If you directly access the file, do you get this error? [12:48:02] (ie. type install_path/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php into the location bar, what appears?) [12:49:25] Yep, same error. Could a database write permission be the culprit? [12:51:45] I copied the code and saved it onto my host [12:51:52] No errors were found [12:52:27] Hmm [12:52:29] Maybe it's a problem related to your host, or a corrupt file or something [12:53:03] <^demon> What error are you getting? [12:54:02] unexpected '{' in /extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php on line 35. (http://rafb.net/p/PEc0sS64.html) [12:55:42] is there an easy way to merge the wiki user/user groups/login databases with ones that we already? i'm willing to accept db changes with what we already have, as long as we don't lose the data. in a perfect world, I want the user data *outside* of the wiki database and in it's own, like it is now. [12:56:03] <^demon> Odd. [12:56:13] which version of MW? [12:56:19] 1.12 [12:56:52] tomow: you could use centralauth :) [12:57:02] evidently you've either made some edits or are using an outdated version because what you pastebin'd is definately not the 1.12 version [12:57:06] i thought centralauth was just between wikis, such as on a wikifarm. [12:57:10] was i mistaken in this belief? [12:57:17] oh whoops [12:57:19] write an authplugin [12:57:50] OverlordQ: Yeah, but I had the same problem with another wiki last night, and updated to the latest versions. Problem persisted. [12:57:52] ah. so I would need to customize it for our site and db schema? [12:58:27] yes, MediaWiki unfortunately cannot read a database schema and automatically know how to authenticate users :( [12:58:27] And that's 1.12 also. [12:58:30] we're trying. [12:58:33] :P [12:58:45] ah. thanks. [12:58:51] so downloading a fresh copy doesn't work? [12:58:57] nope [12:59:19] it looks like you're using the 1.11 version [12:59:37] Yeah, on that one. [12:59:43] will a lot change between 1.12 and 1.13 in regards to authentication? i heard 1.13 will be coming out within a month or two, and I'm currently running 1.12. [12:59:50] so are you using mediawiki 1.11 or 1.12? [13:00:14] i don't know if I should target 1.13 for when it comes out or what. [13:00:32] 1.12 installation. 1.11 extension. But like I said, I tried a fresh 1.12-ready branch and didn't help, [13:00:45] 1.12 != 1.11 [13:01:16] first isntall the right version and then somebody might help if you still have errors [13:01:24] well wads new with 1.13 or rather wad significantly diff? waiting for WYSIWYG ^_^ [13:01:43] Like I said... I already went through that last night. [13:01:55] Same problem persisted. [13:02:18] It jumps to line 70 or so. [13:03:33] Hi. I set up a Wiki with "he" as the language; all worked well, however, after installing Semantic MediaWiki the interface changed back to English. Anyone? [13:05:06] and what's triggering this error? [13:05:36] It's not an error, I just installed it by the book and suddenly the interface changed back to the English version [13:05:50] sorry, was talking to Sasoriza DanielTahar [13:05:54] <^demon> node100101: There's no built-in WYSIWYG editor. [13:06:16] oh sorry [13:06:50] Sasoriza: I just installed a fresh copy of MW 1.12 and the 1.12 version of ParserFuncs and it works just fine [13:07:49] Is the latest trunk 1.12 or 1.13? [13:07:59] (the extension I mean) [13:08:21] are there any extensions that add to the edit toolbar (as in add more buttons)? [13:08:34] Sasoriza: try looking at the extension page [13:09:07] hi guys.. [13:09:16] hi Alan. [13:09:32] !botbrain [13:09:32] --mwbot-- http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html [13:09:49] Does somebody know in which page is the code of the insertion of an external links in the db? [13:10:09] i have to catch the address before the insertion and send it by email... [13:13:06] btw, i loved that 'mediawiki swarm' movie ;-) [13:15:35] 03simetrical * r37881 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: Oops, forgot a line. Now this works in Modern too. Yay for code duplication . . . [13:15:52] zocky_, did you ever remember what we were talking about? :) and did you ever do anything more on it? [13:16:22] 03(mod) Donation site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 summary; +comment (10cbrown1023) [13:18:09] domas, yeah, it was pretty cool. [13:18:14] Totally pointless, but . . . cool! [13:18:24] =) [13:19:25] *Sasoriza raises eyebrows. "Movie"? [13:20:32] *^demon goes and watches it again [13:20:57] yeah, i'm not having any luck finding extensions that add to the edit toolbar. suggestions? [13:21:14] I would be even better with some historic captions explaining the major events :) [13:21:40] Which part of MW code calls the extension parser functions? (ie. those function xxx (&$parser, $param1, $param2) functions)? [13:21:57] I'm trying to read the code for reference... [13:22:30] tomow: look at [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] look at the extra toolbar section [13:22:58] thanks, but are there any pre-written modifications? [13:24:01] Wyvernoid, wfRunHooks()? [13:24:39] Hmm... I think I found it [13:24:44] NicDumZ, I think it counts branches as adding like a million files. There were some explosions there that I suspect were just branches that their maintainers merged regularly for a while. [13:25:07] Doesn't seem to be wfRunHooks(), but rather Parser::braceSubstitution() [13:25:30] Wyvernoid, includes/parser/Parser.php search for call_user_func_array [13:25:44] Ditto. http://rafb.net/p/AD64Zy56.html [13:25:52] NicDumZ: Thanks and I already found it =] [13:25:54] inside braceSubs, yep [13:27:01] .:20:01:32:. Wyvernoid: you can cache the result. [13:27:02] .:20:01:56:. $parser->myParserFunctionDataCache[md5($data)] = $myResults; [13:27:04] .:20:02:00:. and just retrieve the data from there. [13:27:43] Hmm.. I'm not sure how that will work. Can someone elaborate it for me? [13:27:48] Wyvernoid, Parser::braceSubstitution() may execute wfRunHooks() at some point. [13:28:12] domas: Is this movie viewable by anyone? [13:28:35] Sasoriza: yes [13:28:49] where is it [13:29:19] Sasoriza, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/39037 :) [13:30:51] Sasoriza: that looks like the 1.13 version [13:31:14] still doesn't explain the parse error though [13:31:27] Simetrical: There doesn't seem to be any wfRunHooks() calls inside braseSubstitution(), but I don't know whether it calls another function which calls wfRunHooks() [13:33:48] Can someone please answer my question concerning Werdna's code? [13:33:52] only thing left to suggest is somebody let out the magic smoke [13:35:20] can anyone point me to documentation for mwsuggest.js? [13:35:35] That's what I said. I want a new extension. Magicwand.php. [13:36:41] ZorroIII, do you mean to imply that such "documentation" actually exists? [13:37:20] hehe [13:37:45] Simetrical: I'm looking into the posibility to ignore some entries from the list of suggestions [13:37:58] like misspelled redirects [13:40:39] ZorroIII, you don't want to look at the JS. It would be a server-side decision to exclude some results. [13:40:49] You need to look at whatever is generating the list, I guess Lucene for Wikipedia. [13:40:57] Er, whatever is running on top of Lucene, anyway. [13:42:30] yep. People want to somehow be able to tag certain entries as "show this page in grey in the suggerstion list" [13:42:48] suggestion, even [13:43:46] Don't you want to show misspelled redirects, though? What if they're misspelling it? [13:44:38] we're discussing at nowiki to limit misspelled redirects [13:44:50] as they "clutter the suggestion list" [13:45:32] hi [13:46:28] Really, of course, the list should be of most-viewed first, not alphabetic. [13:46:39] Not sure if rainman-sr is working on that in his branch. [13:47:22] maybe add a hack that adds curly, red lines under all the misspelled suggestions [13:47:28] ;) [13:47:38] hehe [13:49:00] gahhh [13:49:04] I got some trouble with some bot script I once wrote. It's no longer able to write to pages. I'm using mechanize for loading the edit page change the content of the fields wpText1 and wpSummary and submit those via wpSave. But instead of saving the page to the wiki I get redirected to the preview page whatever I do. [13:49:20] Any suggestions? [13:50:14] ff-wonko, have you tried making the same edit manually and trapping the POST data so you can check the difference? [13:50:44] yes, it's all somewhat all the same. [13:50:55] I never had good luck with WWW::Mechanize - does it work if you just make a post request yourself? [13:51:17] posting the data works, since the preview is correct. [13:51:48] yes, it does, that's the strange thing. but I'm trying to switch to mechanize for file upload support. [13:52:32] Net::HTTP (ruby) doesn't support that and my self created script won't work. [13:52:50] yeah, I never liked www::mechanize - I just use LWP and roll the queries by hand [13:52:50] this btw is ruby's mechanize, not perl. [13:53:08] I see. Never worked with Ruby's mechanize [13:53:31] Skizzerz, save me, man [13:53:36] hi, does anybody know of a nice dokuwiki to mediawiki converter? [13:54:01] so did i, but i tended to write classes for handling forms and stuff and parsed everything via hpricot so what i wrote was pretty mutch a new implementation of mechanize. [14:02:22] OverlordQ: Think a mw reinstall might correct it? [14:02:55] ff-wonko: is this for your own wiki, or a wikimedia wiki? [14:03:16] neither nor [14:03:38] this is for some wikis I'm not an admin of. [14:04:00] but I'm coding with my own test wiki right now. [14:04:19] I was going to say - use the api.php editing code if possible. [14:04:33] i know, there also is write support in the trunk. [14:04:50] yes, it just has to be enabled on the wiki [14:05:06] but those wikis are mixed 1.10 to 1.12. [14:10:53] guyz i need a small opinion [14:11:07] i wondering to implement simple captcha [14:11:29] or recaptcha well the former is simple recaptcha looks sophisticated and its kinda appealing to me [14:11:38] its for a public wiki wad would u recommend! [14:12:48] ok, i got the error... it's something about the session. tell's me he lost the session data. however, I'm logged in (both according to the api and normal pages) and loggout and in again doesn't do the trick... [14:13:35] cookies seem to be correct. [14:14:22] are you sure you have all the fields of the edit form (there are two time fields) [14:15:25] yep... ["wpStarttime", "20080721141413"] and ["wpEdittime", "20080721141413"] [14:16:02] not sure then [14:25:20] got it [14:25:34] what was it? [14:26:10] was pretty simple... mechanize for some reason named the field "wpEditToken" "" (empty string) [14:26:14] when I type [14:26:16] $wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1'; [14:26:21] in LocalSettings.php [14:26:29] should I use the ' or the " ? [14:27:04] I'm somewhat blind, I guess. [14:27:40] which one lets through variables [14:30:20] I've migrated a Mediawiki installation from a LAMP server to a Win2k3/IIS/PHP/MySQL (WIMP ;) server, unfortunately, but the URL schema is different between the two platforms [14:30:42] LAMP was http://address/index.php/Article_Title [14:30:49] but that doesn't work on this WIMP server. [14:31:26] this makes my life a little harder. [14:32:29] I assumed it was some .htaccess tomfoolery that allowed mediawiki to sidestep using "title=" in the URI, but I guess it isn't [14:32:55] anyone have any idea how I can get the same style URLs? [14:34:35] mikedub: http://www.qwerksoft.com/products/iisrewrite/ [14:34:56] yup, but I don't see any rewrite rules on the linux server in the first place [14:34:58] never used that, since I don't have no iis [14:35:10] I've used it, it does the trick. [14:35:32] but, it won't if I'm not actually dealign with rewrite rules ;P [14:35:37] this is due to the fact that you probalby use mod_php on apache instead of cgi [14:35:57] so mediawiki is able to do the apache configuration on it's own. [14:36:16] interesting [14:36:22] you only need mod_rewite when using cgi (like for suphp) [14:36:44] 03guyvdb * r37882 10/branches/visual_diff/phase3/includes/Diff.php: Small bugfixes [14:36:49] btw there is apache for windows, too. [14:37:04] yeah, i've got to use IIS, unfortunately [14:37:23] if I had the choice i'd leave MW on the original linux boxes. [14:40:41] ff-wonko: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/IIS6 [14:40:52] that looks like something I'll try [14:49:19] Who can point me in to the right direction to running SQL queries? I'm pretty new to mediawiki stuff and am trying to install this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhosOnline [14:49:47] you'll need some mysql client [14:49:53] from the command line, or through browser with phpmyadmin [14:50:05] !shell [14:50:05] --mwbot-- Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. [14:50:19] 'shell access' and 'ssh access' are hardly synonymous [14:50:35] 03(mod) MediaWiki namespace message caching seems to ignore page moves - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10536 +comment (10jlerner) [14:50:41] as you probably have a webserver phpmyadmin should do the trick since this is easy to use. [14:50:52] flyingparchment: wrt web hosting, they effectively are. [14:51:02] not if you have telnet or ktelnet access [14:51:37] flyingparchment: elnet? i hope not :) [14:51:57] Duesentrieb: ktelnet is quite secure [14:52:05] never heard of it [14:52:11] is it widely used? [14:52:12] telnet over kerberos [14:52:25] ah. err. maybe for in-house stuff [14:52:34] but... have you ever seen it in use for public webspace? [14:52:41] at a university, sure [14:52:47] i mean, shared host stuff [14:53:11] university... but that would involve vpn and such, right? [14:53:39] not necessarily [14:53:56] no, but usually [14:54:42] it's used for configuring switches and such, at least at our university. however, the webserver is accessable via ssh since this is standard. [15:08:23] 04(REOPENED) References are not shown to Anons when they don' t have edit permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11224 +comment (10temlakos) [15:08:54] Last version of mediawiki supporting PHP4 is? [15:09:09] 1.6.0 [15:09:12] 1.6.10 [15:09:12] 1.5 or something [15:09:14] 1.6 [15:11:04] it's in the channel topic... [15:11:43] anyway, if your hoster doesn't have php5 by now, get another hoster. [15:11:52] php4 is not even officially supported any more [15:12:04] even by the php people, i mean [15:28:29] Hi everyone :) I have a problem with a media sharing wiki: [15:28:31] - Sharing repository: http://media.scoutwiki.org/Main_Page [15:28:32] - One of the wiki using shared media: http://fr.scoutwiki.org/%C5%92uf_%C3%A0_la_broche [15:28:34] error we have on a clic on a media: http://fr.scoutwiki.org/Image:DSC01692.JPG [15:28:36] (but the picture can be seen into the page. the bug happen when clicking on the page) [15:28:37] any idea ? [15:29:20] (I don't understand the backtrace) [15:40:27] is there anyone who can help me here ? :$ [15:41:10] backtrace here: http://rafb.net/p/ezpSc939.html [15:45:43] 03mark * r37883 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-nis-client/debian/ (changelog control): [15:45:43] wikimedia-nis-client (1.3) feisty; urgency=medium [15:45:43] * Depend on package nfs-common, so NFS mounts work on Ubuntu 7.10 and above. [15:48:52] *brion waves from oregon [15:50:15] *VasilievVV waves brion from Moscow using RWP (Remote Waving Protocol, RFC 31337) [15:50:45] :D [15:52:49] Hi there [15:53:04] hi mboverload :) [15:53:04] anyone following the template vandalism at en wikipedia? [15:53:26] mboverload, not following, but I have noticed it. [15:53:28] have been vandalised too on fr wikipedia [15:53:53] Is there any reason that new users should be able to edit templates? [15:54:05] Even when I started I didn't touch templates for a month [15:54:08] Not that I am aware of. [15:54:51] I'm just bouncing an idea around in my head that templates should be semi protected [15:55:29] Yes - I'm aware that anyone can edit Wikipedia and I am extremely mindful of that. But messing with the backbones of article space? [15:55:33] The only reason that I can see a new user needing to edit a template is if the user is making a genuine "fresh start." [15:55:59] sorry to insist but does anyone have an idea for my sharing problem with mediawiki ? [15:56:17] care to bring me up to speed [16:01:14] mboverload, are you considering semi-protecting Template space? [16:01:22] unfortunately, I guess no one has any idea, I'll ask back later :( [16:01:53] cedsib, mboverload asked you to restate the problem. [16:02:25] oups, I missed that :p [16:02:48] I don't see that semiprotection solves any problems [16:02:50] let's explain it again ^^ [16:02:51] ok, trombone practice time [16:04:29] I have a problem with a media sharing wiki: [16:04:31] - Sharing repository: http://media.scoutwiki.org/Main_Page [16:04:33] - One of the wiki using shared media: http://fr.scoutwiki.org/%C5%92uf_%C3%A0_la_broche [16:04:33] error we have on a clic on a media: http://fr.scoutwiki.org/Image:DSC01692.JPG [16:04:35] (but the picture can be seen into the page. the bug happen when clicking on the page) [16:04:37] any idea ? [16:04:39] (I don't understand the backtrace) [16:04:41] is there anyone who can help me here ? :$ [16:04:42] backtrace here: http://rafb.net/p/ezpSc939.html [16:06:49] any idea mboverload ? :p [16:06:57] (or anyone else ^^) [16:09:13] cedsib, you don't have an article on the Girl Scouts? [16:09:52] Lady_Aleena: many ^^ on different movements :) http://fr.scoutwiki.org/AMGE :) [16:10:02] but in different languages: www.scoutwiki.org [16:10:32] cedsib, I was in the wrong place. [16:10:42] ok :) [16:11:10] cedsib: I don't know what's up, but I do see that media.scoutwiki is running an older version than fr.scoutwiki [16:11:51] mhm, that's true *-) why did not I checked that :@ [16:12:03] gonna have to update it before asking stupid questions ^^ [16:12:05] :$ [16:24:51] 03ialex * r37884 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Use the internal diff engine if the diff excutable is not found [16:35:49] How do I do a wildcard search? [16:35:58] Is there such an animal? [16:40:16] Lady_Aleena: blah* -> searches for words staring with "blah" [16:40:23] this works in at least the last version or two of MW [16:40:38] previously it was accidentally broken by the input validation :P :) [16:40:51] brion-oscon, I was thinking of searching for User:*/Awards or User:*/Barnstars. [16:41:10] ah [16:41:23] hmm, no currently you can't do that very cleanly [16:41:23] Forgive me in advance, I am a little goofy at the moment. I took some codine and think I am starting to feel it. [16:41:29] :D [16:42:00] if you're in the db directly you can do a select on where page_namespace=2 and page_title like '%/Awards' but it won't be efficient on a large site :D [16:42:16] brion-oscon, luckily I have enough presence of mind not to edit articles at the moment. [16:42:34] brion-oscon, I was thinking searching Wikipedia. [16:42:36] en [16:43:18] might be something on toolserver providing such searches but i don't know offhand [16:43:46] brion-oscon, don't worry, I was just looking for inspriation for mine. Mine is a mess. [16:44:00] aww [16:44:40] 14(WFM) Donation site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [16:45:07] I was also wondering if there were a list, just a list, of all the language codes for the other language wikis, and the other wiki projects as well thank I can add User:Lady Aleena to, to create a list of links to all of the projects. [16:45:51] Special:SiteMatrix ? [16:46:09] brion-oscon, which project? [16:47:08] any project [16:47:24] Ah, thanks. [16:49:07] Now, how to get the code off of that, sicnce I can't edit it. [16:53:27] <^demon> brion-oscon: How was Egypt? [16:57:00] Lady_Aleena: there's no wikicode for special pages [16:58:02] ^demon: it was wild and crazy [16:58:05] ialex, I figured that. I am just trying to figure out the special link codes. [16:58:12] i'll finish writing up my notes today or tonight hopefully [16:58:19] 03greg * r37885 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/rebuildtextindex.php: Clarify Postgres text indexing process. [16:58:24] <^demon> brion-oscon: Glad you had fun :-) [16:58:43] Lady_Aleena: [[fr:User:Lady_Aleena]] [16:59:16] ialex, [[:fr:User:Lady Aleena]] I would think, right? [17:00:01] Lady_Aleena: with a : at the begining, the link is display inline, without it, it's in the language bar [17:00:10] *displayed [17:00:12] ialex, that was the intent. [17:00:46] Now, to get links to the other other language projects, like a link to the French wiktionary. [17:00:54] Or German WikiSource. [17:01:00] Stuff like that. [17:01:18] 03(mod) Donation site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 (10cbrown1023) [17:01:19] [[wikt:de:....]] [17:01:26] [[s:fr:...]] [17:02:21] ialex, will give it a go. [17:06:47] 03greg * r37886 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (9 files): Minor grammar fixes, etc. [17:14:08] 03ialex * r37887 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Modern.php MonoBook.php): We already have the skin in $this->data, no need to take it from $wgUser [17:17:02] 03(NEW) Annoying template vandalism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14878 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (dhwl09) [17:20:56] hemlock is very slow again. Could some stop the tools of user:apper it seem the they are the problem. [17:22:29] 04(REOPENED) Donation site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875 +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh) [17:22:50] Are there any plans to ever merge SMW into MW? [17:24:05] no [17:24:07] never [17:24:19] Kolossos: wrong channel [17:24:39] Sorry. [17:30:53] ialex, thanks for the help, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/SiteMatrix *giggle* [17:32:00] Lady_Aleena: you have some "Wiki does not exist" is the list ;) [17:32:43] ialex, I know...I wish there were cross wiki redlinks. [17:33:21] Lady_Aleena: only on Special:SiteMatrix ;) [17:33:49] ialex, too bad I can't read the wikicode for that. [17:34:36] Lady_Aleena: links in that page are not generated from wiki code [17:34:47] Oh figures. [17:34:48] :) [17:35:12] is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Namespace_manager in 1.13? [17:35:15] they are red if the database is not in the list of existing databases [17:35:25] tomow: no [17:35:36] thanks. [17:55:00] Is there anyway I can upload/attach an Excel spreadsheet, or any arbitrary file to MediaWiki? [17:57:47] zuez: yes, you can change which file types may be uploaded. faq will include a link to a page with details on this [17:58:16] neat, I'll pop open the FAQ. [18:08:53] <[GW]Tommy> hello [18:09:03] <[GW]Tommy> i've a problem.. [18:10:52] <[GW]Tommy> i made a skin for mediawiki, did everything the manuel said, even set $wgDefaultSKin to the skin name (lowercase) but my wiki is still usin monobook.. is there something else ive 2do? [18:11:16] [GW]Tommy: Are you logged in? [18:11:29] <[GW]Tommy> on my wiki? [18:11:38] yes [18:11:52] <[GW]Tommy> nope, tried in diff browsers, on diff computers,, [18:12:36] What is the actual setting you have (Just c/p that line you have default skin set with) [18:13:10] <[GW]Tommy> $wgDefaultSkin = 'gamerswiki'; [18:13:34] [GW]Tommy: $wgDefaultSkin doesn't override existing preference settings of users [18:13:50] brion-oscon: he is not logged in [18:13:50] <[GW]Tommy> $this->skinname = 'gamerswiki'; $this->stylename = 'gamerswiki'; $this->template = 'GamersWikiTemplate'; that's in /skins/gamerswiki.php [18:13:57] brion-oscon: he said he wasn't looged it [18:14:01] * logged in [18:14:08] you can bulk-change the prefs with maintenance/userOptions.php [18:14:10] <[GW]Tommy> i'm not logged in, i've even tried it on other computers.. [18:14:25] also make sure that your skin actually works first :) [18:14:48] [GW]Tommy: You might want to try renaming that file to Gamerswiki.php [18:14:48] <[GW]Tommy> how do i do that? [18:15:03] All the skins seam to use a uppercase first letter [18:15:10] <[GW]Tommy> sorry, it's already called GamersWiki.php [18:15:13] <[GW]Tommy> is that it? [18:15:17] Hmm... [18:15:20] <[GW]Tommy> should it be Gamerswiki.php? [18:15:24] I don't know [18:15:36] MonoBook.php <- But I don't know how it get's the case right [18:15:54] looking [18:16:26] <[GW]Tommy> yeah i thought bout that, dunno why it is MonoBook.php.. [18:18:02] <[GW]Tommy> any1? [18:18:06] hmm [18:18:28] <[GW]Tommy> this is soooo weird, can't find anything on the internet bout it.. [18:18:32] It does a directory scan and fills the list of skins using a lowercase form as the key, and the normal case as the normal name [18:18:43] So that's not the issue [18:19:26] <[GW]Tommy> whatelse could it be? [18:19:42] Ok, first... do you have a url for your wiki? [18:20:16] <[GW]Tommy> yeah.. [18:20:18] <[GW]Tommy> sec [18:20:22] <[GW]Tommy> http://beta.gamerswiki.nl/ [18:20:31] <[GW]Tommy> running 1.1.3alpha [18:20:56] http://beta.gamerswiki.nl/?useskin=gamerswiki [18:20:59] Your skin works [18:21:16] So it's an issue with it not recognizing the default settings [18:21:20] default setting* [18:21:45] Hmmm? [18:21:58] http://beta.gamerswiki.nl/Welkom Shows me your skin [18:22:09] <[GW]Tommy> if you see a black page with yellow/orange, it's the monbook skin (i've editted thatone) if you see a skin with a white page and black times font, it's the GamersWiki skin.. [18:22:17] Ohhh [18:22:20] <[GW]Tommy> no that skin is an edit of monobook [18:22:29] <[GW]Tommy> do u have msn?.. [18:22:40] ya, but it's fine in here [18:22:43] <[GW]Tommy> k [18:22:49] Ok, so since useskin didn' [18:22:59] 't work then there is something wrong with the skin itself [18:23:42] <[GW]Tommy> dont regoniz the default skin and ?useskin so it's an issue with the skin itself [18:23:51] Mhmm [18:23:52] [GW]Tommy: and you declared a class named SkinGamersWiki inside the file? [18:24:09] <[GW]Tommy> class GW extends SkinTemplate { [18:24:11] <[GW]Tommy> function initPage(&$out) { [18:24:11] Something is broken with the skin itself, so MW is rejecting it and reverting back to monobook [18:24:12] <[GW]Tommy> SkinTemplate::initPage($out); [18:24:14] <[GW]Tommy> $this->skinname = 'gamerswiki'; [18:24:15] <[GW]Tommy> $this->stylename = 'gamerswiki'; [18:24:17] <[GW]Tommy> $this->template = 'GamersWikiTemplate'; [18:24:18] <[GW]Tommy> } [18:24:20] <[GW]Tommy> } [18:24:21] <[GW]Tommy> class GamersWikiTemplate extends QuickTemplate { [18:24:24] Oi [18:24:28] <^demon|away> Bah [18:24:30] Paste it into a pastey [18:24:41] But that's your issue [18:24:51] You defined the class as GW instead of GamersWiki [18:24:53] <[GW]Tommy> yeah, when i delete the monobook.php there in an php include error [18:25:26] SkinGamersWiki [18:25:40] Oh, right prefix [18:25:41] or SkinGamerswiki [18:25:52] The former [18:28:20] <[GW]Tommy> damn it's workin ;) [18:28:23] <[GW]Tommy> thanks man [18:28:35] <[GW]Tommy> ur the best :) (Y) [18:31:36] hello [18:41:00] Nikerabbit, hello. [18:41:19] 03(NEW) Disable edit notice for automatic flagging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14879 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken) [18:42:22] Is it possible to emphasize text in a 
section
? [18:42:26] I want to show a sample conversation between a client and server. I want to have the client and server lines different colors. [18:43:26] I tried putting tags around some text, but the 
 section took those as literals.
[18:45:35] 	ialex, you still hanging around?
[18:45:41] 	Lady_Aleena: yes
[18:45:48] 	Lady_Aleena: and the answer is yes
[18:46:03] 	:::Exactely. ~~~~
[18:46:10] 	:)
[18:46:38] 	ialex, please post for the rest of the wikiworld. :)
[18:46:49] 	Lady_Aleena: just did it ;)
[18:47:25] 	ialex, good..now, went to your user page there and found 2 teeny tiny grammar errors. Would you mind if I corrected them?
[18:47:57] 	you can
[18:49:33] 	Done.
[18:50:38] 	thank you :)
[18:51:00] 	You're welcome...just trying to help.
[18:55:47] 	Well, I'm still waiting for an answer...
[18:56:24] 	Sasoriza, how long ago was the question?
[18:59:42] 	4 and a half hours
[19:00:59] 	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '{' in extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php on line 74. (http://rafb.net/p/NEDkaT63.html)
[19:01:33] 	Wish Tim Starling was here
[19:04:42] 	This occurs on multiple wikis/different websites, all under the same host. I'm trying to fathom if it's a server or filepath issue and what the nature of it is, if that's the case, so I can explain it to them. (They're wiki-illiterate.)
[19:06:03] 	Sasoriza, you could also try finding the appropriate page on MediaWiki to post your question as well. Not everyone uses IRC. You can increase your chances of getting an answer.
[19:08:54] 	better chance on mediawiki-l
[19:09:46] 	Sasoriza: php4?
[19:09:57] 	Sasoriza: you need php5 for that code, obviously
[19:10:03] 	Sasoriza: php4 doesn't have exceptions
[19:10:35] 	I wonder how nobody else got that for you
[19:10:40] 	YOU ALL PEOPLE ARE USELESS
[19:10:55] 	bing bong
[19:11:21] 	domas, is English not your first language?
[19:11:21] *Dantman 	was off during the quetion
[19:11:24] 	question*
[19:11:30] 	Lady_Aleena: obviously not, do I miss some articles?
[19:11:48] 	is there any way to remove default information from an API query?
[19:11:51] 	Dantman: I see it was asked any times :)
[19:11:51] 	domas, aside from the all caps, the sentance was just bad. :)
[19:12:02] 	Lady_Aleena: ME CARE NOT MUCH
[19:12:19] 	but if you're going to bash my English, lack of articles may be most trendy thing to do.
[19:13:02] 	domas, not bashing, just hoping to encourage you.
[19:13:11] 	Don't knock domas, he's right
[19:13:29] 	Lady_Aleena: encourage what?
[19:13:31] 	Encourage you to learn more.
[19:13:39] 	why should I learn more?
[19:13:53] 	domas, just because you can?
[19:14:01] 	I can learn lots of other stuff too!
[19:14:04] 	Learning is fun. :)
[19:14:11] 	Lady_Aleena: how many languages do you speak?
[19:14:40] 	actually, back in english exam, I got 150/150 points once upon a time :)
[19:14:57] 	and ~700 in SAT
[19:15:10] 	domas, one fluently, and one a very little (so I don't use it), unless you count markup then it is two fluently.
[19:15:30] 	or was that 650.
[19:15:53] 	domas that on new or old SAT English portion?
[19:16:05] 	mm, was back in 1999
[19:16:16] 	had 650/750 score
[19:16:24] 	well, in other words, it means that it's easier to understand domas than any average japanese guy
[19:16:27] 	yeah I wish they had kept the old SAT
[19:16:28] 	domas, I envy your knowledge of more than one language, just trying to help your English be better. I will shut up now.
[19:17:34] 	Lady_Aleena: mmm, I speak fluent English, native Lithuanian, average Russian and if dropped in German-speaking place, can build sentences in German :) 
[19:17:46] 	should I care much about my grammar? :)
[19:17:52] 	especially IF I CAPITAL LETTERS ALL TYPE?
[19:17:59] 	hehehe :)
[19:18:14] 	domas is Japanese?
[19:18:21] 	I thought he was Greek
[19:18:25] 	thanks! :)
[19:18:25] 	no, he's not.
[19:18:26] 	no, he's not.
[19:18:28] 	"domas is all greek to me!"
[19:18:31] 	:)
[19:18:40] 	Greek would be 'domis' ;-)
[19:18:47] 	'domis mituzis' <--- greek
[19:18:53] 	'domas mituzas' <--- lithuanian :)
[19:18:59] 	Yea, domas is the first Japanese whos native tongue is Lithuanian
[19:19:03] 	damn, too slow :P
[19:19:06] 	Duesentrieb: haha
[19:19:12] 	Japanese, Lithuanian... all Greek to me (too)
[19:19:18] 	Sasoriza, it was some references to the Wikimania' japanes lecturers, which were hard to understand :)
[19:19:36] 	there any way to search the channel logs?
[19:19:42] 	grep ?
[19:19:46] 	Geez, stop confusing me
[19:20:00] 	NicDumZ: I had trouble to understand any english questions we got on the panel
[19:20:11] 	cause it was all reverbing and echoing 
[19:20:22] 	oh... that explains your answers then :p
[19:20:24] 	so we all looked as if we don't know what to answer
[19:20:39] 	though we simply couldn't understand questions, none of us
[19:20:51] 	hehe
[19:20:58] 	That explains it. :)
[19:21:05] 	I couldnt understand panel questions, but I though it was me
[19:21:11] 	WHEEEEEE
[19:21:12] 	"Haris Pilton has launched a new line of bags and jewelry. Check her out in the World???s End Tavern!"
[19:21:23] 	hello Haris
[19:21:31] *Sasoriza 	thought domas was NicDumZ
[19:21:33] 	jk
[19:21:45] 	wtf
[19:21:46] 	Mounts at 30?! Yes, it???s true: Apprentice Riding and mounts are now available at level 30. Training costs 35 gold.
[19:21:46] 	I'm greek, tho.
[19:22:01] 	I gonna haunt and kill blizzard balancers
[19:22:05] 	sounds like some WoW stuff
[19:22:17] 	lol
[19:22:18] 	"Alcohol cooldowns have been rolled into Drinks: All 10-second cooldowns have been removed and replaced with the 1-second Drink cooldown."
[19:22:31] 	so your stuck with parameters in the API?
[19:22:50] 	default prameters
[19:23:31] 	OMG
[19:23:32] 	ok
[19:23:33] 	I am happy
[19:23:34] 	"Mages
[19:23:34] 	Frost Armor, Ice Armor, Mage Armor, and Molten Armor are no longer Magic effects and cannot be dispelled."
[19:23:35] 	:)
[19:24:06] 	Anyway, back on track... domas, how did you know it was PHP4
[19:24:14] 	Sasoriza: try {
[19:24:19] 	Sasoriza: there's no try in php4
[19:24:19] 	:)
[19:24:24] 	hmm
[19:24:31] 	I thought I had 5... odd.
[19:24:46] 	Sasoriza: I'm the one who dropped php4 support in mediawiki ;-)
[19:25:08] 	Sasoriza: so I kind of know the manifestations of people hitting version incompatibilities 
[19:25:37] 	Sasoriza: on some sites, php4 is the default, and you need to explicitly ask for php5 in order to use it
[19:25:39] 	haha
[19:25:42] 	locks were pwned
[19:25:42] 	Curse of Shadows: This spell has been removed.
[19:25:46] 	Well, this worked previously, until yesterday. Not sure why it would suddenly switch from 5 to 4. But I never scrutinized the extension before that.
[19:25:47] 	Sasoriza: for example, by giving files the php5 4extension
[19:26:00] 	(which is why there are stubs for all entry poings with a php5 extension)
[19:26:09] 	*points
[19:28:26] 	hello
[19:28:30] 	I have a question
[19:28:33] 	the MediaWiki
[19:28:37] 	Ok, I just checked my backup. That also had try {. So it did work before.
[19:29:13] 	Where do I translate the Wikia software?
[19:29:15] 	URL?
[19:29:35] 	Wikia->Wiki
[19:29:54] 	Dantman: URL?
[19:30:09] 	What do you mean?
[19:30:13] 	And I mean thw software for the Wikia wikis, not the Wikimedia Foundation wikis
[19:30:16] 	Leo_Johannes: what exactly do you want  to translate, and into what?
[19:30:36] 	Might try the #wikia channel
[19:30:39] 	Leo_Johannes: ;) wikia specific things should probably be asked in #wikia
[19:30:43] 	I want to translate the special software that Wikia uses
[19:30:46] 	Though a fyi
[19:30:49] 	Oh wait
[19:30:50] 	I heard it should be at Betawiki
[19:30:53] 	Extensions?
[19:31:10] 	Yes, might be that
[19:31:17] 	Wikia uses it as default
[19:31:20] 	Leo_Johannes: they *whould* use http://translatewiki.net - which contralizes the translation effort wor mediawiki proper as well as many extensions. I hope wikia uses that too. if they don't, they should start.
[19:31:38] 	betawiki is now translatewiki.net
[19:31:39] 	Well, wikia has it's own system for translation of messages
[19:31:49] 	why?
[19:31:57] 	Dantman: Where?
[19:32:25] 	Some/most of their stuff isn't in Wikimedia svn, and there's more than that being translated
[19:33:02] 	Dantman: they could still use translatewiki, it's not tied to wmf svn. in fact, it's not tied to wmf at all, afaik.
[19:33:03] 	I can't remember the url though, I thought I knew it but I can't remember
[19:33:13] 	Nikerabbit: *poke*
[19:33:34] 	Duesentrieb: translatewiki can translate anything, within reason
[19:33:44] 	yes. my point.
[19:34:12] 	although i'm not so sure that siebrand would be willing to allow closed-source software to be translated
[19:34:25] 	but then again he might
[19:34:26] 	^_^ If that's the case... what about including that for my svn?
[19:34:45] 	well... *I* would say, as long as the translation is open, it's fine.
[19:35:06] 	but i don't know what the policy is at betawiki.
[19:35:09] 	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-0-wikia found it
[19:35:13] 	I think at least
[19:35:24] 	Leo_Johannes: That is only for some of Wikia's extensions.
[19:35:27] 	not all
[19:35:33] 	I see that
[19:35:39] 	I only find six messages...
[19:35:41] 	domas, so, you're absolutely certain it's PHP4 that's causing the problem
[19:37:58] 	Sasoriza: no, I'm not. 
[19:38:07] 	dammit
[19:38:16] 	btw, 'dammit' used to be my nickname
[19:38:22] 	double dammit
[19:38:34] 	Sasoriza: btw, thats my usual answer
[19:38:38] 	yep
[19:38:40] 	if anyone asks me if I'm sure, I'll never say I am
[19:38:54] 	Well I need to be sure
[19:39:55] 	Strange that no one can give a definite answer here.
[19:40:04] 	That is the answer.
[19:40:13] *Sasoriza 	nods
[19:40:39] 	Unfortunately, it's not a solution.
[19:41:01] 	^_^ Sollution, install php5?
[19:41:10] 	Duesentrieb: what?
[19:41:22] 	Sasoriza: PHP 4 reaches end of life in less than a month.
[19:41:27] 	You shouldn't be using it.
[19:41:31] 	eek
[19:41:42] 	hi...I have a short question regarding raw page retrieval ... can someone help me with that?
[19:41:54] 	Thought I was tho (5)
[19:45:01] 	anyone familiar with wikimedia scripting?
[19:45:51] 	:/ wikimedia->mediawiki, and there is no scripting
[19:46:25] 	yeah, sorry...typo
[19:46:31] 	MinuteElectron: last time I checked siebrand was against non-open software
[19:46:32] 	Nikerabbit: people were talking about if wikia was using translatewiki, and if ,not, why not, etc
[19:47:02] 	^_^ heh, then perhaps he should see this https://svn.wikia-code.com
[19:47:06] 	Dantman, Nebelung: well, it's all scripting, really :)
[19:47:13] 	Nikerabbit: thought so =]
[19:47:28] 	Nebelung: what is your actual question, and what are you actually trying to do?
[19:47:42] 	Nebelung: vague meta-qestion are generally not a good way to get help :)
[19:47:47] 	nevertheless...I need to retrieve pages in raw format but keep getting "must be accessed via main entry point"
[19:48:04] 	Nebelung: use the main entry point then. aka the "ugly url".
[19:48:11] 	Nebelung: You need to access it using the &title= format
[19:48:22] 	I use action=raw?title=xyz but this only works with pages in special namespace
[19:48:22] 	Nebelung: the one containing index.php?title=... as you see for edit pages
[19:48:28] 	I already do this :(
[19:48:30] 	03(NEW) Preset Special:CategoryTree input with main category. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14880 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[19:48:36] 	Nebelung: well, that is broken url syntax anyway
[19:48:47] 	I have had help with tha answer to my question
[19:48:53] 	Nebelung: please post the full url
[19:48:58] 	at least when it comes to translating it locally
[19:49:05] 	and aqt least some of the software
[19:49:07] 	http://sv.harrypotter.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar&action=edit
[19:49:48] 	I'm not here at the system with the mediawiki installation, but I get the right results when accessing Special: ... pages
[19:50:12] 	however, when I access some pages in normal namespace, I get that error
[19:50:26] 	that's what makes me think
[19:51:20] 	Nebelung: post the full url.
[19:52:03] 	Nebelung: the error indicates you are not using the path to access the wiki.
[19:52:16] 	also, it generally helps to have access to the system you ask about when you ask about it :)
[19:52:20] 	Duesentrieb: the URL was /index.php?title=TestSMW&action=raw
[19:52:40] 	that should work, if the path before that is correct.
[19:52:53] 	;) Then something is broken with your configuration
[19:52:54] 	unless you have broken rewrite rules interfereing
[19:53:01] 	this doesn't work, however, when I replace "TestSMW" by some "Special:..." page, it works
[19:53:16] 	then you broke it :)
[19:53:36] 	actually, most special pages don't support raw output
[19:53:40] 	only a selected few do
[19:53:53] 	I installed it just out of the box, didn't change Localsettings.php more than described in the setup procedure
[19:54:02] 	Special:Statistics is the only one I know about
[19:54:14] 	Duesentrieb: exactly
[19:54:28] 	Nebelung: the setup procedure as such shouldn't tell you to modify anything. did you set up any rewrite rules?
[19:54:29] 	but how can I turn raw output "back on" then
[19:55:02] 	well, it's possible that it's mis-detecting howyou access it (special:statistics probably simply doesn't check at all).
[19:55:19] 	i can't think of a reason it shouold to that, but it's possible
[19:55:21] 	no, there's not more in the LocalSettings than enabling the API
[19:55:29] 	especially with nasty setups... like "have everythign in docroot"
[19:55:38] 	rewrite rules are not in localsettings.
[19:55:41] 	that's apache config
[19:56:13] 	well, I'm not too experienced with the webserver...I only try to get data in and out from mediawiki :)
[19:56:19] 	but again... you can't play with it, we can't look at it, so it's all crystal ball debugging
[19:56:23] 	generally useless
[19:56:38] 	dammit, domas :) (you were right, hehe)
[19:57:31] 	could it be that the mediawiki installation is set to german localization? at least xml output always yields a  node
[19:57:42] 	could this be the reason=?
[19:58:02] 	Well, the ol' ball and chain is calling, so... take care people, and domas, thanks
[19:59:49] 	of course I was right
[19:59:54] 	I'm never sure, always right! ;-p
[20:04:14] 	03(NEW) Contributions page: DirMark eats the space after page name in Opera 9.51 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14881 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (AlexSm)
[20:05:12] 	hi kloeri 
[20:08:29] 	Is there a way to generate a wiki dump that doesn't have [edit] in the markup? I'm trying to move stuff over to a word document, and copy/paste leaves the [edit] in. 
[20:09:22] 	can you use find and replace to replace [edit] with nothing at all?
[20:09:28] 	Open the edit page? Try the printable page?
[20:09:30] 	Use the printable version?
[20:09:50] 	Use an actual dump tool?
[20:09:52] 	Hide the [edit] links with CSS?
[20:10:07] 	I used the dumpHTML.php
[20:10:17] 	but it just papers over them with css
[20:10:36] 	and when I try to copy/paste, copy doesn't preserve the css display:none;
[20:11:21] 	Sheesh. After all these years, I'm still doing %s inside RAISE NOTICE. I think it might be easier to just hack the parser. :)
[20:11:22] 	Printable also just hides the [edit] links
[20:14:41] 	03ialex * r37888 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/ (SiteMatrix.php SiteMatrix_body.php): (log message trimmed)
[20:14:41] 	Rewrote SiteMatrix extension to remove dependency of specific Wikimedia configuration (but has the dependency of $wgConf):
[20:14:41] 	* If $wgSiteMatrixFile doesn't exist, languages will be taken from Language::getLanguageNames(). In this case, laguages for which no wiki exist will be removed.
[20:14:41] 	* Added $wgSiteMatrixSites to list database suffixes (default value is still
[20:14:45] 	made for wikimedia). Any wiki not matching it or not in allowed languages will
[20:14:47] 	be in the "special" section with 'site' and 'lang' part of the DB name extracted
[20:14:49] 	from $wgConf->siteFromDB.
[20:17:42] 	03jhsoby * r37889 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: * Making 
 1px in Modern, like in Monobook
[20:18:06] 	jhs: $wgStyleVersion++;
[20:19:25] 	03ialex * r37890 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: Added it for debugging, forgot to remove it :)
[20:22:29] 	03ialex * r37891 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Per r37889: $wgStyleVersion++;
[20:23:11] *Lady_Aleena 	wishes there were a way to watch a special page for updates.
[20:45:19] 	I am trying to setup the LDAP Module using proxy binding, but every time I get this message.  Connected successfully
[20:45:19] 	Entering getSearchString
[20:45:19] 	Doing a proxy bind
[20:45:19] 	Failed to bind as jwest
[20:45:19] 	Failed to bind
[20:45:21] 	User DN is blank
[20:45:23] 	Entering strict.
[20:45:25] 	Returning true in strict().
[20:45:26] 	03(mod) Access QueryPage-based special pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14869  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:45:27] 	Entering modifyUITemplate
[20:46:23] 	Any ideas?
[20:48:28] 	03(mod)  Create a wap mobile gateway for the english wikinews similiar to wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14755  (10N/A)
[20:48:40] 	03(mod) Annoying template vandalism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14878  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:37:24] 	03catrope * r37892 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBlocks.php: Cleanup from r37839: just put ipb_auto in the relevant arrays. We have those arrays so we don't have to add if($fld_a || $fld_b) for every crazy flag combination in existence.
[21:41:42] 	Hi all, I was wondering if MediaWiki is entirely open. Would it be ok (legal-wise) to use it to create an internal Wiki for my company?
[21:42:11] 	yes
[21:42:56] 	Joeblog60, MediaWiki is released under the GNU General Public License, version 2.
[21:43:50] 	You can use and redistribute it under those terms.  Practically speaking, if you aren't planning to redistribute it to anyone outside your company, you can do whatever you want without restriction.  If you redistribute it, there are some restrictions (have to provide source code, attribution, source code for all changes released under same terms).
[21:44:04] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License
[21:44:12] 	Neat, thank you. I didn't want to bring the idea to my boss just to get tore down over copywrite stuff. -_-
[21:44:31] 	I love that it is open source though
[21:46:24] 	well, all php apps are open source by neccessity - it'S a scripting language, after all. but not all are Free :)
[21:47:27] 	not neccessarily, you can ioncube it or encode it with zend encode it
[21:47:40] 	s/it$//
[21:50:14] 	Hi!
[21:51:05] 	i can't good talk english, so- pise be patient :D
[21:51:46] 	ok, my question: can i unlocked "ban" php, js etc. ?
[21:52:04] 	03demon * r37893 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Allow $wgCookiePrefix to be set by the user. Default is false which keeps current behavior in Setup. Fixes bug 14843.
[21:52:37] 	hipekhopPoland, what do you mean "unlock"?  What do you mean "'ban' php, js etc."?
[21:52:44] 	03aaron * r37894 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (14 files in 3 dirs): 
[21:52:45] 	* Add preliminary feedback modules (disabled by default):
[21:52:45] 	** Rating UI, ProblemPages, and RatingHistory (graphs)
[21:52:45] 	* Schema not committed to avoid any confusion
[21:52:45] 	* Remove redundant special page
[21:52:45] 	* Some general code cleanup
[21:52:47] 	* Remove depreciationoversight, not needed now
[21:53:59] 	03(FIXED) Allowing setting of cookie prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14873  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:56:13] 	Simetrical: I can't use php in my wiki
[21:56:51] 	when i say , i see , no jdfsjjklfjklskljdfs
[21:57:14] 	got sitesupport-url|sitesupport  changed on trunk recently? it dosn't link to the page its supposed to anymore
[21:58:02] 	hipekhopPoland: err, yes, that's as it should be.
[21:58:18] 	hipekhopPoland: allowing anyone to run php code on your wbespace seems like a bad idea, no?
[21:59:28] 	hipekhopPoland: writing an extension that allows people to run php would be simple. and also pretty insane. but if you are writing extensions, well, there's your way to run php in pages :)
[22:00:05] 	there is one that allows php to be used in MediaWiki pages and then included on a page I believe
[22:00:07] 	Duesentrieb: hmmm... my mediawiki can run php, because i have idea- how I can do than safely
[22:00:13] 	*that
[22:00:45] 	I'll be an SOB. I can't believe something so simple got overlooked.
[22:01:07] 	domas, you deserve a Keen Insight of the Day Award... or something.
[22:01:09] 	where my php is locked?
[22:01:31] 	Sasoriza: I told you I dropped php4 support in mediawiki, right?
[22:01:35] 	yep
[22:01:38] 	darkcode: well, writing a parser hook that sais return eval($input) is trivial :)
[22:01:51] 	hipekhopPoland: it's not "blocked".
[22:01:58] 	hipekhopPoland: it's not supported.
[22:02:03] 	there's a huge difference there :)
[22:02:26] 	hipekhopPoland: you know, generally, text stored in a database is never passed to the php processor. why should it?
[22:02:27] 	:/
[22:02:34] 	if you want that, you have to write program code to do that
[22:02:46] 	it's pretty easy actually
[22:02:50] 	but dangerous, of course
[22:02:58] 	Sasoriza: so why did you question me?
[22:02:58] 	!extensions | hipekhopPoland
[22:02:58] --mwbot--	hipekhopPoland: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See  for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See  for an overview of known extensions.
[22:03:11] 	hmmm... ok
[22:03:16] 	100x thanks :D
[22:03:24] 	Moi? Question you? Did I?
[22:03:38] 	bye, and thanks again :D
[22:03:46] 	hipekhopPoland: look at the example for writing parser hooks. combine that with php's eval function, and you have a way to run php. but it's of course much better to just write what you need as an extension in the first place.
[22:04:03] 	Nope, I didn't question you. As soon as you said it, it hit me, that was it. I said you were right.
[22:04:05] 	03(mod) Annoying template vandalism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14878  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:05:03] 	Duesentrieb I'm just saying an extension exists that allows php to be used security without the problem of anyone doing what they want with it
[22:05:14] 	I just had to go move up to 5, was all. Problem solved.
[22:05:29] 	03aaron * r37896 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Perm check
[22:05:33] 	by limiting php to the mediawiki namespace and than including that page on pages where people want it
[22:05:44] 	Or, should say, *back* up. Server move somehow changed it to 4.
[22:05:57] 	darkcode: ah, i see. well, i could imagine something analogous to htmlets. just do a php include on the file, instead of reading html. or something along that line
[22:06:18] 	What is the interwiki link code for advisory.wikimedia.org?
[22:06:20] 	darkcode: otoh, if you can do that, you can just as well start writing proper extension. makes more sense anyway
[22:07:31] 	its probably useful for people who might have limited access or ability to add new extensions to a wiki
[22:07:53] 	Lady_Aleena: Is there such a shortcut? I thought it was ruled out
[22:08:08] 	Sasoriza, I have no idea, that is why I am asking.
[22:09:03] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: I guess if you had the extension whitelist "safe" PHP functions, it could be done. Not worth it though, imo.
[22:09:35] 	^demon: very *very* tricky. actually, close to impossible to get that air-tight.
[22:09:54] 	^demon: you have to parse the php code, at the very least. 
[22:10:07] 	and... not much would be *really* safe :)
[22:10:52] <^demon>	Not worth it :-P
[22:11:47] 	Anyone get a good look at that visualization stuff?
[22:12:41] 	Duesentrieb, strlen()!
[22:12:57] 	Actually, vBulletin does this, for template conditionals.  It allows you to use about four functions.
[22:13:00] 	And variables.
[22:13:03] 	So pretty safe, I think.
[22:13:15] 	and pretty useless
[22:13:21] 	anyway, time for bed
[22:13:59] 	Okay, I have tried every possible combination I can think of to get an interwiki link with advisory.
[22:15:09] 	Lady_Aleena, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_map
[22:15:12] 	Seems it's not there.
[22:15:27] 	Simetrical, I have combed those pages.
[22:16:51] 	They discussed using [[Advisory:]] but never implemented it.
[22:17:19] *Lady_Aleena 	blurbles.
[22:17:51] *Simetrical 	snicker-snacks Lady_Aleena with his vorpal blade
[22:17:51] 	heee
[22:17:54] 	The meeting was entitled "Understanding and Sharing''
[22:18:34] *OverlordQ 	goes to share with them the understanding that '' != "
[22:19:20] 	Lady_Aleena, can you set up your own? http://advisory.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1
[22:19:23] 	Simetrical, beware I have a character who weilds a vorpal blade in one hand and a long sword +3 in the other.
[22:19:42] 	03catrope * r37897 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTests/CategoryTests.php: 
[22:19:42] 	CategoryTests extension:
[22:19:42] 	* Use database queries instead of the API. This is faster for ifcategory() and fixes the buggy behavior for pages with >10 categories in 1.13 (since the introduction of cllimit)
[22:19:43] 	* Use JOINs rather than separate queries for looking up $title's page ID
[22:19:43] 	* Fix logical error in ifcategory() which returned $then when $title doesn't exist; this is correct for ifnocategories(), but should be $else for ifcategory().
[22:20:20] 	!=?
[22:20:20] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "=?".
[22:20:31] 	Sasoriza, um, well, ah...I am just a little editor from Wikipedia who comes here to pester the programmers with my little questions. I wouldn't know where to begin.
[22:20:48] 	Have shell access?
[22:21:01] 	Oh, this isn't for your own wiki.
[22:21:06] 	Sasoriza, ah, no...
[22:21:11] 	Gotcha.
[22:21:30] 	!= is used in most languages for checking if two variables/objects/stuff are not equal
[22:21:30] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: =
[22:21:33] 	oops
[22:21:40] <^demon>	Lady_Aleena: Open a bug on Bugzilla with the keyword "Shell" if there's a consensus to add the new IW prefix.
[22:21:45] <^demon>	!=
[22:21:45] --mwbot--	used in most languages for checking if two variables/objects/stuff are not equal
[22:21:48] <^demon>	Haha
[22:22:00] *Sasoriza 	snickers
[22:22:03] 	Sasoriza, I don't think that I could install a wiki in my personal web space. I only have 7 Mbs left out of 10. :)
[22:22:19] 	oh well, I guess that works
[22:22:20] 	silly bot
[22:22:48] 	^demon, can I do that and how would I word it if I did?
[22:23:05] <^demon>	!bugzilla
[22:23:05] --mwbot--	All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[22:24:41] *Lady_Aleena 	tremulously enters this new territory.
[22:24:44] 	It'd be interesting to sit in on one of those meetings.
[22:24:45] <^demon>	Just mention that you're looking to get a new IW prefix added to WMF wikis, and here's the place on meta where consensus exists for it.
[22:25:40] 	!= del
[22:25:40] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: =
[22:26:31] 	^demon, I have only ever set up a bugzilla account. I am still searching for a link.
[22:26:47] <^demon>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org?
[22:27:18] 	rotfl
[22:28:00] 	^demon, as I said, I am just a little Wikipedia-en user. The technical areas baffle me.
[22:28:57] 	Be nice, or you'll meet a vorpal blade. :)
[22:29:04] 	awww Simetrical
[22:29:30] 	So, would this be a new bug?
[22:32:00] 	Would this be a Wikimedia bug when entering a new bug?
[22:32:21] *Lady_Aleena 	is writing her first bug report, doesn't want to get it wrong.
[22:33:26] 	Lady_Aleena, yes, Wikimedia.
[22:33:48] 	But I'm not sure this is a bug report.  You should have it added to the list on Meta and then ask for the list to be synced.
[22:34:34] 	I haven't pressed the button yet, so I haven't done anything yet.
[22:35:02] 	Simetrical, linkage to that list please?
[22:35:21] 	Push it. You know you want to.
[22:35:33] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map (I think)
[22:35:34] 	Sasoriza, not if it isn't really a bug!
[22:35:42] 	hehe
[22:36:02] 	Lady_Aleena, I already linked to it.
[22:36:10] 	The Interwiki map page.
[22:36:26] 	Oh, eeps...
[22:37:46] 	03brion * r37898 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php): 
[22:37:46] 	Revert r37872 for now -- "(bug 2971) Standardize format of links to hist/diff in Special:Contributions."
[22:37:46] 	This appears to have changed "(hist) (diff)" to "(diff; hist)". I'm a bit leery of callign that "standardization" as it changes it from looking like regular Recent Chagnes to looking like enhanced Recent Changes.
[22:37:46] 	Might be good to do a look around at other things, which use for example commas or pipes in parens as well, and figure out which is best to stick with.
[22:39:06] 	How close is 1.13?
[22:39:41] 	03(mod) (diff) & (hist) location on RC/Cont/Watch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2971  (10brion)
[22:40:50] 	What does $1 mean?
[22:41:41] 	Sorry, Lady_Aleena, I'm here to ask questions myself.
[22:41:59] 	the parameter passed to it
[22:42:11] 	like [[interwiki:beans]] $1 would be beans
[22:42:28] 	just a placeholder saying what they're linking to should go here
[22:42:48] 	03aaron * r37899 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (10 files): Security check
[22:43:53] 	Would anybody know on a just installed 1.12 with ParserFunctions why #ifexist only works on special pages? It does false for all regular pages.
[22:44:10] 	Example: http://temblast.com/w/index.php?title=User:Renate/test
[22:48:17] 	03aaron * r37900 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: UI fix
[22:54:07] 	Any non-afk people here?
[22:54:25] 	Renate: ask your question
[22:54:49] 	Would anybody know on a just installed 1.12 with ParserFunctions why #ifexist only works on special pages? It does false for all regular pages.
[22:54:58] 	Example: http://temblast.com/w/index.php?title=User:Renate/test
[22:55:50] 	I started tracking it from a template that worked elsewhere. The examples I give work fine on another Wiki.
[22:58:07] 	Is there maybe some dependency on some sort of cache or something?
[22:58:48] 	Renate: not sure. I'm looking to see if it may be a version issue
[22:59:23] 	Thanks, Ryan, it should be the latest. I checked with a fresh copy.
[23:00:12] 	Renate: I'm wondering if you need an older version...
[23:00:44] 	^demon: Ping?
[23:00:57] 	Could well be, Ryan, I thought I tried one from May, but I didn't know how far back to go.
[23:01:08] 	ah
[23:01:27] 	try the copy from branches/REL1_12 ...
[23:01:45] 	Yes, Brion, I will.
[23:01:59] 	looks like it does some poking in the global link cache, and it's looking scary to me :D
[23:02:04] 	don't know if anything changed in there
[23:02:36] 	It looked scary enough to me! I don't know php but I can follow the basic idea.
[23:04:09] 	brion: I'm having a problem with newer versions of mediawiki and the auto-authentication stuff I do in the LDAP Authentication plugin. I'm working through updating it to work with mediawiki 1.12 (and 1.13), but I was wondering, if I submit a generic solution, can it be included in the base?
[23:04:37] 	Heh, to mad I missed that question
[23:04:42] 	bad*
[23:05:11] 	Ryan_Lane: hrm, solution to brekage, or entire ldap stack? :D
[23:05:21] 	Known for awhile that pfunc in trunk only works in 1.13
[23:05:23] 	brion: it seems kind of silly for all of these plugins to do their own basic auth steps, especially the part that creates users
[23:05:31] 	brion: the auto-authentication part
[23:05:45] 	ah, prolly
[23:05:51] 	just don't break centralauth :D
[23:06:02] 	maybe make centralauth better ;)
[23:06:03] 	it seems every couple releases break auto-authentication for me
[23:06:05] 	heh
[23:06:44] 	should I do it via hooks you think? that is how I am currently approaching it
[23:07:17] 	Hmm, I installed the 5 files from branches/rel1_12 and it is still the same :(
[23:07:22] 	i'm not sure what's best... i'm not toally sure what we currently do, i believe it changed dramatically recently :P
[23:07:52] 	the hook name changed. thats for sure...
[23:08:09] 	Oooh... those checkboxes on userrights look interesting... but the single column format is ugly... worse than before
[23:09:31] 	Is there supposed to be a directory for the global link cache?
[23:10:15] 	Renate: I think that is in the database?
[23:11:29] 	Oh. Any idea what the table is called? I can see if there's anything in it.
[23:12:59] 	Renate: no table
[23:13:16] 	it's an object in memory, dies at end of script run
[23:13:19] 	A shoebox, then? :)
[23:13:24] 	LinkCache.php
[23:14:15] 	Well, I can't seem to get #ifexist on any real page at all.
[23:14:38] 	hello, i found some strange behaviour (a bug?) for MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning (yes I searched bugzilla already)
[23:15:28] 	i put a transclusion onto that special page, but when i edit a page as anon user, i see a DIFFERENT transclude being used instead!
[23:18:22] 	i used the same source in ???MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning as i did before on a normal page, where it worked normally. regardless of mediawiki version, there is not a single bug (searched ALL, not OPEN) with anoneditwarning
[23:21:18] 	schnittchen: MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning is just a message
[23:21:53] 	does that mean it cannot contain mediawiki markup?
[23:22:27] 	(I'd like anon editors to see something less subtle than the default warning)
[23:22:40] 	it can
[23:23:11] 	Got to guy. Thanks. I'll BBL. Bye.
[23:23:14] 	but then it should work with my transclude!
[23:23:24] 	schnittchen: link?
[23:23:34] 	oh, i reverted it, just a sec...
[23:25:27] 	here you go:
[23:25:28] 	https://www.das-labor.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning
[23:25:37] 	brion: looking through centralauth, most of the auto-auth stuff that is done is pretty similar to every other auto-auth plugin i've seen (except the quality of the code is better). I'm thinking it may be better to make a class instead of using hooks like I am doing, so that each plugin can just call the generic portions from the class.
[23:27:02] 	I can probably just yank those portions from central auth, since it is probably more correct than other implementations.
[23:29:44] 	qsheets: you should see different content than on https://www.das-labor.org/wiki/Benutzer:Thomas/WIP-Banner, though same code
[23:30:46] 	schnittchen: i'm only seeing different text where the page is not editable by anonymous users
[23:32:08] 	schnittchen: look at https://www.das-labor.org/w/index.php?title=Crypto-avr-lib&action=edit
[23:33:40] 	i see "Transclude Dokumentation f??r Crypto-avr-lib" instead of "Du bearbeitest das Wiki, ohne eingeloggt zu sein."
[23:34:47] 	wow, http://www.das-labor.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning shows the right text!
[23:35:51] 	only thing is... i can't read German, thus i don't have a clue what it says
[23:35:54] 	hey everybody, I was wondering if somebody has encountered the following problem: I am sysop of a wiki, and there are no other users created as of right now. However, if I try to edit sidebar, I am getting notice that I am not allowed to change it since it's protected to prevent abuse. I have allready added all persmissions for sysop inside settings file. What's my next step?
[23:36:34] 	qsheets: the point is that it's different on the system page itself and when you begin an anon edit
[23:36:41] 	and this really shouldn't be, right?
[23:36:49] 	right
[23:37:28] 	so i'll try to file a bug tomorrow
[23:38:13] 	schnittchen: try doing it w/o a template
[23:38:20] 	03(NEW) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (conrad.irwin)
[23:38:38] 	qsheets: to pin down the problem, or to circumvent it?
[23:38:56] 	both
[23:39:00] 	ok
[23:39:08] 	but not now, it's bedtime :-)
[23:39:11] 	thx qsheets!
[23:39:19] 	ur welcome