[00:02:16] <sputnick>	hi there
[00:02:42] <sputnick>	why my mw don't index this line ? "for f in *.wav; do lame "$f" "${f%.wav}.mp3"; done"
[00:02:54] <sputnick>	when I search "lame" I don't have it
[00:03:48] <sputnick>	mysql is configured to search 3 letters strings
[00:03:55] <sputnick>	@ home
[00:04:37] <sputnick>	mediawiki-1.10.1
[00:04:44] <sputnick>	$Linux Debian Sid
[00:10:51] <Simetrical>	Do you have a link to your wiki?
[00:10:58] <Simetrical>	Is it a current revision?
[00:11:20] <Simetrical>	You might be better off asking in #mysql.  Make sure that the info is in the database and the fulltext index exists.
[00:11:40] <Simetrical>	If you changed the stop word length, of course, you have to restart MySQL and rebuild the index.
[00:14:26] <sputnick>	the word lengh is very old Simetrical
[00:14:55] <sputnick>	mysql had restarted many times
[00:15:18] <sputnick>	no link to wiki, it's private
[00:20:48] <Simetrical>	Maybe it's too common?
[00:20:51] <Simetrical>	Or is on the stop word list?
[00:20:56] <Simetrical>	I suggest asking in #mysql, as I say.
[00:29:08] <Dantman>	:/ This code is really starting to get annoying
[01:00:30] <Dantman>	Bah... finally a new clean way of form building... but it's 1.13 only
[01:00:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight should be able to hide log entries as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7871  (10N/A)
[01:01:47] <abcod>	Hi, how can I make a page in my wiki accessible to a particular group?
[01:02:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Should be possible to hide log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7871  (10N/A)
[01:03:01] <Charitwo>	!access | abcod 
[01:03:01] --mwbot--	abcod: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[01:03:57] <abcod>	ah, thanks
[01:07:11] <ProProductions>	Hello All 
[01:07:26] <ProProductions>	Is there any kind of admin panel or something for mediawiki?
[01:08:29] <Charitwo>	ProProductions: There are the maintainance scripts and restricted special pages for various rights
[01:22:39] <Wyvernoid>	Hmm... Is the parsing of wikitext done exactly in the order of from up to down?
[01:23:33] <ProProductions>	everyone must be afk then
[01:23:48] <ProProductions>	...
[01:29:12] <ProProductions2>	seems my webchat nick got stuck on non updating text 
[01:29:24] <ProProductions2>	thanks Charitwo for your reply, just read the channel log
[01:29:33] <Charitwo>	no problem
[01:29:58] <ProProductions2>	am new to running a wiki so need all the help I can get 
[01:30:18] <ProProductions2>	luckily I have added content to wiki's before so that's not new, its the administration which I am stuck on, lol
[01:36:01] *qsheets 	is wondering what should be done w/ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14190
[01:39:30] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r37901 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php): 
[01:39:30] <CIA-54>	* XHTML
[01:39:30] <CIA-54>	* Typecasting fixes
[01:39:30] <CIA-54>	* Disable some notices (bug 14879)
[01:40:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Disable edit notice for automatic flagging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14879  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:45:27] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r37902 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Make sure there is page content before adding UI here
[01:55:41] <Renate>	Hi. I was asking earlier if anybody knew why a new install of 1.12 with ParserFunctions the #ifexist would always go false on regular (existing) files.
[01:55:57] <Renate>	Example: http://temblast.com/w/index.php?title=User:Renate/test
[01:56:18] <Dantman>	just use the one in the 1.12 branch
[01:56:37] <Renate>	I tried rolling back to an earlier version of ParserFunctions and it didn't help branch/rev1_12
[01:56:55] <Dantman>	works for me
[01:57:15] <Renate>	Well, I see tons of 1.12 where it does work!
[01:59:38] <Renate>	On the sites where it works, I can't see exactly what version they're using.
[01:59:56] <ProProductions2>	hmm why the heck do I keep gettin disconnected :|
[02:00:05] <Renate>	Bad karma? :)
[02:00:56] <ProProductions2>	that would explain it but unfortunatly that aint why :(
[02:01:00] <qsheets>	Renate: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
[02:02:31] <Renate>	They're running 1.13alpha. I'm showing the sane PF 1.1.1 that they have. Another 1.12 site (where my example works) shows no version # for PF
[02:02:38] <Renate>	same*
[02:03:06] <Renate>	http://wiki.xyrael.net/wiki/Special:Version
[02:03:28] <Renate>	http://temblast.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Version
[02:04:09] <Wyvernoid>	http://dota-allstars.com/wiki/Special:Version
[02:05:22] <Renate>	Thanks, Wyvernoid. You're making my point. We're both running 1.12 with PF 1.1.1. Yours works, mine doesn't.
[02:07:35] <Renate>	That is presuming that #ifexist actually works on your site. You might not actually use it.
[02:08:48] <Renate>	On the other hand, it's impossible to tell without looking at the file what revision it is.
[02:08:52] <Wyvernoid>	It works...
[02:09:12] <Wyvernoid>	I mean, #ifexist works on my site.
[02:09:47] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: did you forget a db patch on that update?
[02:10:06] <AaronSchulz>	nope, not adding it yet
[02:10:26] <Renate>	Ok. Do you know what version exactly of PF, Wyvernoid? Or can you tell me the file size?
[02:10:43] <Alexfusco5>	AaronSchulz: so that new feature isn't live on that code?
[02:10:59] <Renate>	I know my problem may be outside of PF itself, but I don't understand how anything works.
[02:11:48] <Wyvernoid>	The file size is 16,268 bytes.
[02:11:59] <Wyvernoid>	(that of the file ParserFunctions.php)
[02:13:09] <Xiong>	i still wish i could get phpmathpublisher working
[02:13:19] <Renate>	Thanks 15.434 is what I'm using, the latest of July 9 or so.
[02:13:25] <Xiong>	or mimetex
[02:13:33] <FunPika>	AaronSchulz: Did you commit Special:RatingHistory without a db patch for it? o_o 
[02:13:37] <CIA-54>	03dantman * r37903 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/ (5 files): 
[02:13:37] <CIA-54>	Changing include lines for SemanticMediaWiki's maintenance includes.
[02:13:37] <CIA-54>	This is a format which me and Tim came up with some time ago and appears to have become a good standard since then and has a good reliable rationale for use.
[02:13:57] <AaronSchulz>	FunPika: the stuff is disabled by default
[02:14:23] <AaronSchulz>	the schema may change, and I don't want people running it and getting confused
[02:14:32] <AaronSchulz>	if it breaks later
[02:16:09] <OverlordQ>	if you're running 1.12 you shouldn't be using the trunk version of PF
[02:17:00] <AaronSchulz>	wow that dota site has a hella nice layout
[02:17:32] <Renate>	Thanks Overlord, what should I be using. I tried branch/rel1_12, it still didn't work.
[02:30:28] <OverlordQ>	well just download fresh 1.12 and 1.12 copy of PF and it works just fine and dandy, so I'd suggest any local changes you've made
[02:31:48] <Renate>	Could well be, Overload. I only changed LocalSettings.php. It sounds like you went to a lot of trouble, thanks.
[02:32:44] <OverlordQ>	well it's actuanny not working on the special pages, but dont know if that's normal or not :)
[02:32:48] <OverlordQ>	*actually
[02:33:11] <Renate>	The cases for special pages went in later.
[02:34:07] <OverlordQ>	yea the special pages work with mw 1.13 and it's ver of PF
[02:36:59] <AphelionZ>	Is this still the proper way to get database results in 1.13 ?    http://pastebin.com/m6d1425c5
[02:41:48] <Renate>	Well, I just tried the branches/rel1_12 PF again. It still doesn't work, but the Special pages get flagged as exist still. Something is screwy here.
[02:42:17] <Renate>	The code says Specials get flagged as "else"
[02:42:59] <Renate>	Ah OK! It was caching somewhere!
[02:43:36] <Renate>	But not my browser (I don't think?). I gave it F5 and Ctrl-F5
[02:45:13] <Renate>	Ok, it works now, but I have to null-edit the pages. Strange.
[02:48:55] <Renate>	Well, thanks all. Problem solved. Good night.
[02:59:15] <mbah_edan>	Yuhuuu.......
[03:02:19] <qsheets>	rum
[03:02:30] <mbah_edan>	ea..
[03:03:03] <qsheets>	mbah_edan: whatcha need?
[03:03:42] <mbah_edan>	What do you mean??
[03:04:35] <qsheets>	what do you need?
[03:05:08] <mbah_edan>	I need some friends...
[03:05:33] <mbah_edan>	Where you came from??
[03:06:15] <qsheets>	MI, USA
[03:07:09] <mbah_edan>	USA?? are you sure??
[03:07:29] <qsheets>	no, mexico, lol
[03:08:12] <mbah_edan>	Indo ae ahh??
[03:08:29] <qsheets>	??
[03:09:27] <mbah_edan>	You from USA,Mexico,or what?? what is lol??
[03:09:50] <qsheets>	USA, lol = laughing out loud
[03:10:46] <mbah_edan>	Sorry this is my frist time I'm Indonesian... what is your name??
[03:11:04] <qsheets>	Quentin Sheets
[03:11:27] <qsheets>	How's your winter?
[03:12:31] <mbah_edan>	There is no winter in here...
[03:12:49] <qsheets>	:(
[03:13:04] <mbah_edan>	its very hot here.. 
[03:13:15] <mbah_edan>	how old yo??
[03:13:30] <qsheets>	not old enough
[03:13:44] <qsheets>	(joke)
[03:14:03] <mbah_edan>	How old???;-)
[03:14:33] <mbah_edan>	I'm 20...
[03:14:46] <qsheets>	your young
[03:14:59] <qsheets>	** you're
[03:15:00] <Skizzerz>	lol
[03:15:12] <qsheets>	... but i'm younger
[03:15:18] *Skizzerz 	is too
[03:15:19] <mbah_edan>	and you?? come on, its allright....
[03:17:59] <mbah_edan>	how young??
[03:21:10] *qsheets 	starts playing mind games
[03:27:59] <mbah_edan>	Anyone there...........
[03:28:08] *Smaug 	wonders at skizzerz's age
[03:28:21] <Skizzerz>	Smaug: I think it's on my mw.org userpage...
[03:28:41] <Skizzerz>	hmm... guess not
[03:29:13] *Smaug 	wonders why he never noticed how using Skizzerz's name in the possessive makes it cooler
[03:29:33] <Skizzerz>	s/cooler/completely unpronouncable/
[03:29:36] <Skizzerz>	:)
[03:29:45] <Smaug>	:)
[03:30:06] <Skizzerz>	well... it still kinda can be pronounced
[03:30:08] <Smaug>	it's pronouncable.  skizzerziz
[03:30:11] <Skizzerz>	it's just weird
[03:30:24] <Smaug>	i suppose
[03:30:26] <Skizzerz>	anyway, i'm 17
[03:30:31] <Smaug>	alright
[03:31:59] *qsheets 	= Skizzerz 
[03:32:09] <Skizzerz>	ya'mean ==?
[03:32:14] <Skizzerz>	:P
[03:32:16] <qsheets>	yeah, that
[03:32:34] <qsheets>	actually, i mean ===
[03:33:47] <mbah_edan>	:-D
[03:35:19] <mbah_edan>	:P week..........
[03:36:41] <mbah_edan>	Quentin??
[03:47:56] <Charitwo>	r
[04:08:06] <neelaManga>	how to block ip editing only?
[04:09:02] <Charitwo>	neelaManga: Ensure the box " Block anonymous users only" is checked
[04:09:53] <Charitwo>	or are you referring to allowing only logged in users to edit on the whole wiki, in which case you would need to see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[04:10:00] <neelaManga>	box witch box?
[04:10:18] <neelaManga>	ok
[04:11:46] <neelaManga>	i think put this only "$wgWhitelistEdit = true;"
[04:13:04] <Charitwo>	neelaManga: You'd want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_anonymous_editing
[05:21:47] <gigo>	hi. what is required to enable <math> support in mediawiki?
[05:22:57] <VasilievVV>	!math | gigo
[05:22:57] --mwbot--	gigo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Math
[05:23:12] <gigo>	mwbot: thanks
[05:23:31] <gigo>	oh! VasilievVV thanks
[05:45:19] <Scott->	hey
[05:45:33] <Scott->	I am trying to get my wiki to work with a virtual host on my account
[05:56:01] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	Scott-, and you have problem ...
[06:30:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Language code of Taiwanese/Holo, Cantonese, Classical Chinese Wikipedias - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8217  (10HenrySYLi)
[07:04:42] <Scott->	sorry guys
[07:04:55] <Scott->	yes I have a problem getting my Wiki to work with a virtual host
[07:05:13] <Scott->	I have my wiki in /www/wiki/wiki and thats where the virtual host points
[07:06:24] <Dashiva>	What isn't working?
[07:06:48] <Scott->	I keep getting a 404 error
[07:07:24] <Dashiva>	Even if you go to index.php explicitly?
[07:07:50] <node100101>	how do i change the content in Special Pages and the content that appears below the edit page! ie.. Please note all contributions blah blah
[07:08:05] <Scott->	yes
[07:08:56] <Splarka>	node100101: Special:Allmessages
[07:08:56] <Dashiva>	node100101: The former is a bit vague. The latter is based on the license selected
[07:09:31] <Dashiva>	Scott-: Are you sure you're looking in the right place? /index.php vs /wiki/index.php
[07:10:10] <Scott->	I got it working again
[07:10:14] <node100101>	Dashiva: True but i want to change what appears when you edit a page before submit thers some content likePlease note that all contributions to ShareurTravel are considered to be released under the Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 Unported (see ShareurTravel:Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.
[07:10:14] <node100101>	You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!
[07:10:25] <node100101>	ops sorry for the paste
[07:10:34] <Splarka>	node100101: go to Special:Allmessages and look for that text
[07:10:36] <node100101>	i would like to change this
[07:10:40] <Splarka>	(easiest way)
[07:10:40] <node100101>	okay thanks splarka
[07:10:46] <node100101>	much appreciated
[07:10:55] <Scott->	but the virtual host http://wiki.ugmoinc.com/ goes to the correct location but the page doesn't load
[07:11:33] <Dashiva>	Having a wiki at the root level is more pain than it's worth
[07:13:56] <node100101>	Splarka: That did the trick Problem Solved :D
[07:14:31] <afidegnum1>	hello good morning all! please I had a friend who already set up wikimedia up, but what is left to do now is creating contents and categories! how can I do it pleasae? cos I can't find myself out --- My the way,I am a programmer, web developper, just directives and I will do the rest
[07:16:40] <Pathoschild>	afidegnum1: These pages might be what you're looking for: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing>.
[07:17:28] <afidegnum1>	ok
[07:18:10] <afidegnum1>	thanks, i got it
[07:22:13] <afidegnum1>	but pls there is another situation
[07:22:21] <afidegnum1>	here is the site just built
[07:22:37] <afidegnum1>	but it seems wikimedia is not available publickly yet
[07:22:38] <afidegnum1>	http://development.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[07:22:45] <afidegnum1>	http://development.artisticpursuit.org/
[07:23:00] <afidegnum1>	how can i set it up. it has already beem installed
[07:25:48] <Pathoschild>	afidegnum1: It is installed. When you say "Wikimedia is not available", do you mean you want a copy of Wikipedia (the enclyclopedia) or other Wikimedia wikis?
[07:25:59] <Pathoschild>	encyclopedia*
[07:27:45] <afidegnum1>	ok. how can I make the contents display?
[07:33:34] <afidegnum1>	???
[07:34:29] <Pathoschild>	afidegnum1: http://download.wikimedia.org/
[08:03:53] <Nikerabbit>	      1 PHP Strict Standards:  Non-static method MediaHandler::getLongDesc() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/w/includes/filerepo/File.php on line 1215
[08:04:06] <Nikerabbit>	from incompatible context?
[08:04:15] <Nikerabbit>	isn't it usually from compatible?
[08:04:56] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: It wouldn't be an error if it was from a compatible context.
[08:05:16] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: yes it would, because it needs to be *the* context :o
[08:05:40] <MinuteElectron>	yeah...
[08:09:32] <barraAway>	good morning :-)
[08:09:58] <barra_>	we're using mediawiki as documentation wiki for our software project
[08:10:40] <barra_>	unfortunately spammers abuse the wiki and add spam there; is there any popular antispam method integrated into mediawiki 1.12.0?
[08:11:13] <barra_>	we've already enabled user registration via email and only registered users can edit or recreate articles
[08:11:19] <barra_>	but that doesn't seem to stop them
[08:12:17] <Nikerabbit>	they are registering accounts?
[08:12:23] <barra_>	yes
[08:12:32] <Wyvernoid>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam Try looking here?
[08:12:37] <MinuteElectron>	!e ConfirmEdit | barra_ 
[08:12:37] --mwbot--	barra_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
[08:13:55] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37904 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/ (MediaWikiExtensions.php mediawiki-defines.txt): Update some changes in FlaggedRevs
[08:14:26] <barra_>	thanks for the pointer Wyvernoid & MinuteElectron 
[08:14:39] <barra_>	I'll give the confirmedit extension a try
[08:18:36] <afidegnum1>	Pathoschild: pls u there?
[08:19:32] <afidegnum1>	since wikimedia is installed on the server, how can I set it up? to make the contents display?
[08:20:08] <barra_>	you're trying to install mediawiki afidegnum1 ?
[08:22:09] <afidegnum1>	wikimedia is already installed
[08:22:11] <afidegnum1>	http://development.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[08:22:46] <afidegnum1>	now, I want to centents do display
[08:22:50] <afidegnum1>	to display
[08:22:51] <barra_>	ohh, so what do you want to do?
[08:23:04] <barra_>	add content?
[08:23:12] <afidegnum1>	yes
[08:23:21] <afidegnum1>	so it will display for the public view!
[08:24:17] <Duesentrieb>	afidegnum1: and what content do you have? from where? in what form?
[08:24:19] <poven>	just enter a new site like http://development.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/EditMe and click "edit this page"?
[08:25:05] <afidegnum1>	ok
[08:25:59] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37905 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (25 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-07-22 10:14 CEST)
[08:26:14] <afidegnum1>	thanks, I got it, but how do we add a contents category?
[08:27:01] <afidegnum1>	categories and subcategories?
[08:27:02] <poven>	try to read the manual
[08:27:03] <poven>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category
[08:27:34] <poven>	and you don't have the edit and other links on the main page. this is a design issue
[08:27:55] <Wyvernoid>	He has them, on the left
[08:28:27] <poven>	not for me 
[08:32:23] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37906 10/trunk/extensions/ (151 files in 142 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-22 10:14 CEST)
[08:40:27] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37907 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/ (MediaWikiExtensions.php mediawiki-defines.txt): Add 2 new flagged revs message groups
[08:42:03] <CIA-54>	03siebrand * r37908 10/trunk/extensions/ (16 files in 16 dirs): Localisation updates for extension special pages from Betawiki
[08:42:49] <Wyvernoid>	[12:01:02] <Werdna>	Wyvernoid: you can cache the result.
[08:42:50] <Wyvernoid>	[12:01:26] <Werdna>	$parser->myParserFunctionDataCache[md5($data)] = $myResults;
[08:42:52] <Wyvernoid>	[12:01:30] <Werdna>	and just retrieve the data from there.
[08:42:53] <Wyvernoid>	Third time I'm asking this... Could someone please elaborate Werdna's code more or provide a manual/documentation on this?
[08:45:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change time zone in Korean Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14849  +comment (10acc611)
[08:47:11] <Drazha>	ok, here is a quesiton: I have mediawiki 1.12, and I want a certain category tree to show up on the sidebar... I looked at some oneline docs, but no luck... any hints?
[08:47:57] <Duesentrieb>	Drazha: there's no goog way until 1.13 comes out.
[08:48:00] <Duesentrieb>	*good
[08:48:12] <Drazha>	damn
[08:48:29] <Duesentrieb>	there are some hacks described on the talk page of the CategoryTree extension
[08:48:34] <Drazha>	setting up some proper navigation really is difficult with mediawiki
[08:48:39] <Drazha>	tried pages/subpages
[08:48:46] <Drazha>	now messing with categories
[08:48:51] <Drazha>	I just dont know what to use
[08:49:01] <Duesentrieb>	that's because a wiki is by design not hierarchical, but a network
[08:49:07] <Duesentrieb>	it lives on the interlinking of pages
[08:49:27] <Drazha>	I get that, but still
[08:49:39] <Duesentrieb>	generally, having an "overview" should not be neccessary.
[08:50:03] <Duesentrieb>	well yes, i see what you mean. the simplest way is putting a category tree on the fron page, or on a "sitemap" page
[08:53:31] <Drazha>	so like, lets say I want to have a hierarchy of categories, and documents per category... and I want to have my documents sorted by "folders" so to speak... like pages/subpages
[08:53:40] <Drazha>	is that the proper way to do it, or not?
[08:55:39] <node100101>	well guess that would easier for the user to navigate.. i would like a workround for that too!
[08:59:40] <BusyNeko>	is it a bad idea, on arelativly low usage wiki, to put an "lucene incremential update" hook each time somebody update a page or upload a file ? :)
[09:00:41] <BusyNeko>	I mean, opposite to having a daemon/crontab updating on his own every xx minutes
[09:01:25] <BusyNeko>	(yes, they want their new text to be available on search immediatly)
[09:05:17] <Duesentrieb>	it's probably ok. (but i have never played with lucene)(
[09:05:39] <Duesentrieb>	just beware what happens when some spambot decides to do 1000 updates in a couple of minutes...
[09:06:27] <Duesentrieb>	Drazha: just use categories all the way. subpages are not suited that well for this purpose.
[09:06:37] <BusyNeko>	hmm okay, thanks
[09:07:05] <Drazha>	Duesentrieb: ok thanks. so how do I organize the articles in a hierarchical manner? just stick all of them at the root?
[09:08:12] <Duesentrieb>	hm? you have a root category, and "top" categories under that, and more specific categories below that... and you put pages into that structures wherever they fit, i.e. into the most specific categories that are appropriate
[09:09:24] <Drazha>	ok, but how do I stick a page in an article?
[09:09:38] <Duesentrieb>	huh? a page in an article? 
[09:09:47] <Duesentrieb>	pages and articles are the same thing (technically)
[09:09:55] <Drazha>	Duesentrieb: a page in a category, brain misfired, sorry
[09:10:03] <Drazha>	for example:
[09:10:05] <Duesentrieb>	read the manual :)
[09:10:08] <Duesentrieb>	!categories
[09:10:08] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[09:11:01] <Drazha>	yeh, i am reading that over and over
[09:11:04] <Drazha>	but just bear with me
[09:11:10] <Drazha>	lets say i wanna produce documentation:
[09:11:14] <Drazha>	* Documentatoin
[09:11:20] <Drazha>	** lab
[09:11:29] <Drazha>	*** (this is the actual document) network
[09:11:35] <Drazha>	**home
[09:11:42] <Duesentrieb>	yes i get the idea.
[09:11:45] <Drazha>	*** power board (actual document)
[09:12:02] <Drazha>	so, either use the documentation/lab/network page/subpage idea
[09:12:22] <BusyNeko>	Drazha, create your main category ( [[Category:Documentation]] )
[09:12:24] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[09:12:32] <Drazha>	or put the "network" article in root and categorise it in "lab" subcategory of "documentatoin" category
[09:12:34] <Duesentrieb>	forget about subpages
[09:12:51] <BusyNeko>	then create a [[category:lab]] with [[category:documentation]] in it's text
[09:13:03] <Drazha>	BusyNeko: yeap, ok, done that, what next?
[09:13:04] <BusyNeko>	here, the cat lab is not a subcat of cat documentation
[09:13:17] <BusyNeko>	to put an article in "lab", just put [[category:lab]] in it
[09:13:32] <BusyNeko>	you can say it work the same way for categories and articles
[09:13:44] <Duesentrieb>	time for lunch
[09:13:46] <Duesentrieb>	have fun
[09:13:51] <Drazha>	ok, but if I create the article in the root of the wiki, if I have two articles with the same name, its gonna clash
[09:13:52] <BusyNeko>	bye
[09:14:06] <BusyNeko>	hmm
[09:14:11] <Drazha>	i could have network under lab, as well as home
[09:14:33] <BusyNeko>	you could create namespace to separate theses, then
[09:15:04] <BusyNeko>	although I'm not 100% sure to understand
[09:15:47] <Drazha>	so whats the point of creating a namespace for home and work in this example?
[09:16:07] <BusyNeko>	well, it's only useful if you insist on having the same names
[09:16:27] <Drazha>	so its kind of a replacement for pages/subpages?
[09:16:31] <BusyNeko>	no
[09:16:47] <Drazha>	ok, a replacement for folders, then?
[09:16:52] <BusyNeko>	else, you could just create a disambiguation, like [[title (precision)]] [[title (other precision)]]
[09:16:53] <BusyNeko>	neither
[09:17:01] <BusyNeko>	what do yo ucall a folder ?
[09:17:19] <Drazha>	i dont know, folder work, and folder home
[09:17:25] <Drazha>	that contains several articles
[09:17:38] <BusyNeko>	there's no such thing on a wiki
[09:18:52] <tepheikk>	Hi all! Is there some ready set of regexpes or a script that converts articles to plain readable text?
[09:19:08] <BusyNeko>	anyway, you'll find explanations on namespaces at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace
[09:19:35] <BusyNeko>	it can't be relaly called a folder, because there's only one level. you can't make subnamespace
[09:39:50] <node100101>	i want to remove the line that appears on Image:xyz.logo 
[09:39:51] <node100101>	    * Edit this file using an external application
[09:39:51] <node100101>	      See the setup instructions for more information. 
[09:39:56] <node100101>	how can i do that
[09:40:25] <node100101>	coz the "edit this file using ext app" is a link which causes it to download index.php :S
[09:40:53] <node100101>	i rather remove the option for the users
[09:43:50] <Drazha>	ok, so, next topic: category tree... I told it to expand it, tried using depth as well, however it expands only one level and thats it
[09:44:54] <node100101>	how do i edit pages such as Special:UserLogin and pages such as Image:xyz any idea?
[09:45:12] <bjelleklang>	node100101: you need to edit a specialpage called Special:Allmessages or something similar
[09:46:15] <bjelleklang>	node100101: Special:AllMessages actually, at least on en.wikipedia. Assume that this hasn't changed from earlier versions to 1.13 of mediawiki
[09:46:58] <node100101>	bjelleklang: well hmm look through there it worked to edit some content! couldnt find much btw is this the right way of doin it? Splarka, Werdna, Duesentrieb 
[09:47:31] <Splarka>	node100101: does it do the same thing to you on en.wp ?
[09:47:39] <Splarka>	I suggest ignoring it, some people may find it useful
[09:48:04] <Splarka>	and it isn't really downloading index.php, your browser just chooses that as the default name because that is the name of the page in the URL serving it
[09:48:39] <node100101>	well i did search through Special:AllMessages what if want to edit something like Image:Xyz.jpg
[09:48:58] <node100101>	mite as well not have it, well its just a wiki for simple users who would share their exp etc
[09:49:08] <Splarka>	um
[09:49:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseExternalEditor
[09:49:37] <Splarka>	to change text on a page, you use Allmessages, to enable/disable features, you use LocalSettings.php, but to edit Special:Pages well, you don't really
[09:52:48] <node100101>	so say i want to delete the line to use ext editor remove it form AllMessages or disable the ext editor from localsettings.php?
[09:53:07] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseExternalEditor
[09:54:02] <node100101>	okay saw that add line to localsettings.php however i believe it would only disable external editing rite? users shd still be able to download mp3s etc?
[09:54:17] <Splarka>	probably
[10:00:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create hook (AlternateSkinPreferences) to alternate skin section in user preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14883 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (korczynski)
[10:27:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create hook (AlternateSkinPreferences) to alternate skin section in user preferences. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14883  (10korczynski)
[10:40:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882  (10RLUllmann)
[11:04:31] <|FoxIII|>	Hi all.
[11:06:10] <|FoxIII|>	I want to have a 'news' section on my front page which pulls news titles from either a) another wiki page or b) an external program (still on the same site). Is there a way to do this?
[11:06:35] <VasilievVV>	For a) you may use transclusion
[11:07:14] <|FoxIII|>	transclusion? Is that an extension available on mediawiki site?
[11:08:59] <|FoxIII|>	ah! I have found it. Thank you VasilievVV
[11:18:34] <Duesentrieb>	|FoxIII|: to include a news listing from somewhere else, i'd recommend to do it via RSS. There are several extensions for showing an rss feed on a wiki page
[11:18:56] <Duesentrieb>	|FoxIII|: for internal news, do it manually via template includion, or use DPL, or the News extension.
[11:19:26] <Duesentrieb>	(note that News doesn't work out of the box with 1.12, it needs a patch - fine with 1.11 or 1.13)
[11:35:26] <ProProductions2>	for example, Apple Mac -> Mac OS X Leopard, where Apple Mac is the main category, Mac OSX Leopard is the sub category and then followed by the article
[11:35:38] <ProProductions2>	am kinda lost on the best or easiest way to do it 
[11:36:36] <ProProductions2>	hmm seems my first message didnt go thru
[11:37:05] <ProProductions2>	basically am trying to work out the easiest way to section all the info
[11:51:46] <afidegnum>	hello
[11:52:21] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hi
[11:52:34] <ProProductions>	hi
[11:59:24] <ProProductions>	hmm ok so now I know a fast way to make a category and stuff, but is there a way of say adding a drop down box to the edit page so users can select the categories an article belongs in?
[12:02:59] <Duesentrieb>	ProProductions: there are a couple of extensions for that. i think one is called "SelectCategory"
[12:03:23] <Duesentrieb>	this of course only works if the number of categories is limited 
[12:03:29] <Duesentrieb>	on wikipedia, it wouldn't work :)
[12:11:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) error on installing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14884 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (dimitar.tsonev)
[12:12:59] <ProProductions2>	I have a feeling my wiki will have a fair few categories 
[12:13:02] <ProProductions2>	for example my leopard post uses 3 categories already 
[12:13:06] <ProProductions2>	being Apple Mac, Mac OS X Leopard and Tips and tricks
[12:13:33] <ProProductions2>	of course it could also have Desktop tweeks and visual tweeks 
[12:15:33] <ProProductions2>	at the moment I am typing the new page name into the search box then clicking on create this page
[12:15:47] <ProProductions2>	might not be the best way to create articles tho
[12:16:05] <Duesentrieb>	no, it isn't
[12:16:16] <Duesentrieb>	the best way to create articles is to link to them, then click the red link
[12:16:24] <tomow>	that's how I usually do it.
[12:16:25] <ProProductions2>	see, imma newb, lol
[12:16:26] <Duesentrieb>	this way, you don#t create orphans, but everything is connected
[12:16:40] <Duesentrieb>	the point is: don't try to author the wiki all at once, by yourself
[12:16:41] <Duesentrieb>	let it grow
[12:16:46] <Duesentrieb>	add stuff as you need it
[12:16:54] <Duesentrieb>	don't try to think up an overall structure beforehand
[12:16:57] <tomow>	although, IMO, you do need to have *some* content in it, or people won't use it.
[12:16:58] <Duesentrieb>	that's not how a wiki works
[12:17:13] <Duesentrieb>	well sure. start using it yourself
[12:17:16] <Duesentrieb>	that will add content.
[12:17:22] <tomow>	yea.
[12:17:39] <tomow>	I think developing a community is the hardest thing to do on a website.
[12:17:43] *Hawson 	agrees
[12:17:45] <tomow>	It takes time and patience.
[12:17:50] <tomow>	And dedication.
[12:17:58] <ProProductions2>	basically I am trying to create a sort of base layout and content look with interlinking pages and such ready so that other users have a place they can put their articles
[12:17:59] <Duesentrieb>	basically, a wiki will work if it's a usefull too, and if there's a specific group of people that it's aimed at, that helps too
[12:18:07] <Hawson>	also, even if you *have* content, that's no garauntee either.
[12:18:20] <Hawson>	you need people, and contributers, and traffic
[12:18:26] <Duesentrieb>	err, a useful *tool*
[12:18:28] <tomow>	Yes. You can't just throw up a wiki and expect it to blossom (I'm glaring at my boss's office right now).
[12:18:36] <ProProductions2>	what I really want to look at is a super easy way to add an article to the right categories without having to type the category names exactly 
[12:18:43] <Hawson>	What's the topic, if you don't mind me asking?
[12:18:55] <Hawson>	you may be better served by adding to an existing wiki...
[12:19:02] <ProProductions2>	mine?
[12:19:06] <tomow>	yes
[12:19:06] <Hawson>	Yours.
[12:19:18] <Hawson>	(and if you can't say, that's fine)
[12:19:18] <ProProductions2>	hehe, nope am runnin it all myself 
[12:19:24] <ProProductions2>	multple reasons
[12:19:45] <ProProductions2>	1 - I run a small PC sales and repair company and want a one stop place for customers to get tips tricks and help 
[12:19:50] <ProProductions2>	and I feel a wiki does the job 
[12:19:52] <tomow>	no, no. what is the topic?
[12:19:56] <tomow>	what is it about?
[12:19:58] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) error on installing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14884  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[12:20:00] <Duesentrieb>	ProProductions2: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Category_extensions
[12:20:10] <ProProductions2>	2 - I am moving into the web hosting section of stuff, so want a wiki for that help too 
[12:20:16] <Hawson>	Automatic category assignment would require a script of some sort, perhaps an extension
[12:20:18] <ProProductions2>	so linkin to others aint a good buisness idea
[12:20:22] <Duesentrieb>	ProProductions2: specifically, look at Extension:SelectCategory and Extension:CategorySuggest
[12:20:28] <ProProductions2>	http://pro-productions.net/wiki/
[12:20:35] <Duesentrieb>	maybe also Extension:Add Article to Category
[12:20:41] <ProProductions2>	its live and public although not linked to yet
[12:20:45] <Hawson>	a "shortcut" could be to use a template that has a number of category tages in it.
[12:20:54] <Hawson>	Semantic Wiki!  :-D
[12:22:14] <Duesentrieb>	another one is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SelectCategoryTagCloud
[12:22:32] <Duesentrieb>	ProProductions2: so... there are several extensions that do something like this. try them
[12:22:36] <ProProductions2>	right am gonna look into those extensions, as you can probably tell it needs to be super easy to list and find stuff
[12:22:58] <Duesentrieb>	nothing is ever super easy and super correct
[12:23:21] <Duesentrieb>	making things very easy will cause people to do stupid shit :)
[12:23:24] <ProProductions2>	yeah but you know what I mean, easy enough for someone new to PC's to find stuff
[12:24:33] <ProProductions2>	ya know you would be surprised at how many people have to get their dvd drives repaired
[12:25:05] <tomow>	I think a wiki might not be what you are looking for...
[12:25:23] <tomow>	Let's be honest, it sounds like you will be the primary source of information for this thing.
[12:25:30] <ProProductions2>	ya think? lol
[12:25:46] <tomow>	A wiki is designed to harness the community, but most of your people won't be contributing to it.
[12:26:02] <tomow>	So why are you using a wiki if it's not the right tool?
[12:26:06] <ProProductions2>	I tried geeklog as a method as that seemed to be good, but the issue there was with the editing and creation
[12:27:12] <MrHappy>	Hi, I have a wiki running on one box, is it possible to have a second box in another location in case the first one breaks or is unreachable for some reason.
[12:27:48] <tomow>	MrHappy: Yes, there are multiple ways of doing that. I'm not familiar with all of them, though.
[12:28:09] <MrHappy>	that's good :)
[12:28:19] <tomow>	And I'm not sure if there's anything built into MediaWiki that might help, but it's common practice, especially for large(r) sites.
[12:28:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Installer should check for dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14885 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (maxsem.wiki)
[12:29:41] <ProProductions>	damm disconnects
[12:29:52] <ProProductions>	you have a valid point but how many of the visitors to wikipedia actually contribute?
[12:29:56] <ProProductions>	most are teens and the like looking for information
[12:30:03] <tomow>	actually, a large percentage.
[12:30:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error on installing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14884  (10dimitar.tsonev)
[12:30:15] <tomow>	something like 70 or 80 percent, I think one article said.
[12:30:33] <doos>	hi
[12:30:39] <ProProductions>	hence why I decided to bring in a wiki idea as I will harness both the knowledged and less knowledged
[12:31:47] <doos>	I would like to edit mediawiki:nologin, yet it doesn't accept any of the <br />'s etc. I could edit includes/templates/Userlogin.php, but does anyone have a better solution?
[12:32:48] <tomow>	wtf. this sucks. i'm at work, and "banned" from a channel I've never gone to before. stupid irc web clients.
[12:32:57] <ProProductions>	right going to look into the category extensions, it might not be the best system for me, but I feel it will have its uses.
[13:03:27] <afidegnum1>	hello, pls I am having some issue, I need assistance pls
[13:04:17] <afidegnum1>	I am new to wikimedia, this page has just been installed: http://development.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[13:04:37] <afidegnum1>	I need assistance on creating a categories and subcategories
[13:05:01] <afidegnum1>	I read the help, but everything does not seems clear to me, I need more clariication please!
[13:05:16] <afidegnum1>	how do I create a new category?
[13:09:33] <Laaknor>	afidegnum1: assign articles to the category
[13:10:22] <afidegnum1>	ok well, actually, I have a list of categories and subcategories to create before assigning an article to each of them!
[13:10:33] <afidegnum1>	how do I create them?
[13:11:36] <Laaknor>	just go to [[Category:maincategory]] and edit/save it
[13:12:30] <Laaknor>	if you need [[category:subcategory]] just edit and add [[category:maincategory it]]
[13:12:50] <Laaknor>	[[category:maincategory]] it*
[13:14:17] <afidegnum1>	ok in example of this page: http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/, on the admin panel, I have edit, which gives a ling to edit, artickes, discussion, history, unprotect, move, delete, watch
[13:14:53] <afidegnum1>	when I clicked on the edit, it gives me a page where the contents is edited in an html format
[13:15:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "#REDIRECT" is rendered as a numbered list (<OL>) in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14886 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jidanni)
[13:17:06] <^demon>	afidegnum1: In that edit textbox, add [[Category:Foo]] to it. Then the article will be in the "Foo" category. You can change "Foo" to be whatever you want.
[13:17:31] <^demon>	So an article could be in [[Category:Foo]], [[Category:Bar]] and [[Category:XYZ]].
[13:19:25] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) "#REDIRECT" is rendered as a numbered list (<OL>) in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14886  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:19:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect graphic not shown in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2333  (10innocentkiller)
[13:20:42] <afidegnum1>	ok thanks, I got it
[13:29:04] <CIA-54>	03catrope * r37909 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (6 files): API: Change descriptions for some limit parameters to actually refer to the correct type of result
[13:31:15] <afidegnum1>	[[Category:Category name]]
[13:32:05] <afidegnum1>	sorry,
[13:32:55] <afidegnum1>	is it possible to add plenty list of category? like [[cat:name]] [[cat:name2]]?
[13:33:05] <abdul>	hi
[13:33:22] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: Sure. Just do [[Category:Foo]] [[Category:Bar]] [[Category:A to Z]] and the page will be in all three categories
[13:33:25] <MinuteElectron>	abdul: sure is
[13:33:38] <abdul>	I am new to wikimedia
[13:33:53] <abdul>	and I was wondering how can I prevent users from editing the home page
[13:34:11] <RoanKattouw>	abdul: You can protect the main page by clicking on the "protect" tab above it
[13:34:28] <RoanKattouw>	!protect | abdul
[13:34:28] --mwbot--	abdul: You can protect pages to prevent them from being edited by certain user groups. When a page is deleted its' protection is retained. Also you can protect nonexistant pages since 1.12. See <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Administration#Protection>.
[13:35:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "#REDIRECT" is rendered as a numbered list (<OL>) in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14886  (10N/A)
[13:37:29] <abdul>	ok
[13:37:41] <abdul>	I clicked on protect
[13:37:50] <abdul>	but which option should I choose
[13:37:54] <abdul>	is it sysop only?
[13:38:11] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah do that
[13:39:07] <abdul>	thank you guyes
[13:39:13] <abdul>	guys
[13:39:17] <abdul>	u r the best
[13:41:11] <CIA-54>	03yaron * r37910 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_ParserFunctions.php: Added 'print' to supported media
[13:41:44] <CIA-54>	03yaron * r37911 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/ (INSTALL includes/SC_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.2.7
[13:41:58] <njathan>	hi !
[13:42:11] <afidegnum1>	hello, pls I just read something too,     * add a colon in front of the Category tag when you set up the page-creation link, to prevent the software from thinking you merely want to add the page you are working on to the category:
[13:42:12] <afidegnum1>	[[:Category:Category name]]
[13:42:17] <afidegnum1>	what does it mean?
[13:42:46] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: [[Category:Foo]] means "add this page to category Foo". If you want to *link* to the Category:Foo page, you need to use [[:Category:Foo]]
[13:43:24] <njathan>	I am trying to configure mediawiki for olpc india wiki. Want to add support for (almost) all languages.. how can go about this?
[13:43:37] <njathan>	all indian langs i mean
[13:44:33] <RoanKattouw>	njathan: Go to BetaWiki, you can help translating stuff there
[13:44:42] <RoanKattouw>	Of course first check that your language isn't supported already
[13:45:00] <RoanKattouw>	http://translatewiki.net/
[13:45:19] <njathan>	oh it isn't. there is no LanguageHi.php
[13:45:34] <njathan>	"Hi" in this stands for "Hindi" i guess
[13:45:53] <RoanKattouw>	Well it might have a different abbreviation
[13:45:56] <njathan>	i am checking in \languages\classes
[13:46:25] <afidegnum1>	you mean hyperlink it?
[13:46:32] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: Yes
[13:46:45] <afidegnum1>	ok
[13:46:58] <RoanKattouw>	njathan: hi is there. Go to any wiki where you have an account, go to [[Special:Prefences]] and try changing your language
[13:47:09] <RoanKattouw>	I see hi, hif and hif-latin in my language dropdown
[13:47:16] <RoanKattouw>	At www.mediawiki.org
[13:48:07] <afidegnum1>	does it means also the hyperlinks lead to the page to be edited, or a plain page to read?
[13:48:40] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: It'll just lead to the page. If the page doesn't exist, it'll lead to the edit form, but that's true for all links to non-existent pages (red links)
[13:49:11] <RoanKattouw>	njathan: Which version of MW are you using? It could be that Hindi translations are relatively new
[13:50:23] <RoanKattouw>	njathan: LanguageHi.php is definitely present in MW 1.12
[13:50:25] <afidegnum1>	hmm, confusing. what happens, if you don't put a colon at the front. just like [[Category:Category name]]
[13:50:28] <afidegnum1>	?
[13:50:39] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: The page will be added to the category.
[13:50:51] <njathan>	RoanKattouw: Yes. I can see it in wikipedia. But why does the "Choose language" option not show up in my installation? is there a seperate extension to be installed?
[13:50:55] <BusyNeko>	11.?10?11WB10 (UT2K310) 11WB10?11?. 10- ( UT2K3 ) \o/ i've got a wb :) ( +t4zmanian ) UT2K3: he's posted that WB for at least 4 different people ( UT2K3 ) yes but i've dreamed every day for a wb :(
[13:51:09] <RoanKattouw>	njathan: No. All you need to do is create a user account
[13:51:14] <RoanKattouw>	Also make sure you have MW version 1.12
[13:51:15] <flyingparchment>	BusyNeko: seriously, if you do that again, i'm going to ban you
[13:51:16] <afidegnum1>	ok. the category, is going to have subcategories
[13:51:24] <afidegnum1>	what do I do then?
[13:51:34] <afidegnum1>	colon or no?
[13:51:47] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: Well say you want Category:Child to be a subcategory of Category:Parent. You'd then edit Category:Parent (the page) and add [[Category:Child]] to it
[13:51:54] <RoanKattouw>	Oops
[13:52:02] <RoanKattouw>	Edit Category:Child and add [[Category:Parent]]
[13:52:35] <afidegnum1>	then, I shouldn't put colon at the front of the page like: [[:Category:Category name]]
[13:52:41] <afidegnum1>	right?
[13:52:47] <afidegnum1>	or still I have to do it!?
[13:52:52] <RoanKattouw>	No, you shouldn't
[13:52:58] <afidegnum1>	ah, ok
[13:53:00] <afidegnum1>	thanks
[13:53:32] <njathan>	RoanKattouw: hey thanks! err.. i was trying to see with my admin account. Strange.. the admin is forced to know English!! :-P
[13:54:08] <RoanKattouw>	Well yeah you gotta know *some* English as a wiki admin, don't you?
[13:54:21] <afidegnum1>	by the way, how do you call user name directly on this way: user: without typing the full name?
[13:54:32] <afidegnum1>	this si on IRC
[13:54:43] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: Type Ro and hit TAB
[13:54:49] <njathan>	RoanKattouw: err.. just kiddin.. ;-)
[13:54:57] <RoanKattouw>	Oops type Roa and hit TAB
[13:55:03] <RoanKattouw>	That'll autocomplete to RoanKattouw
[13:55:15] <afidegnum1>	RoanKattouw
[13:55:21] <RoanKattouw>	There you are
[13:55:28] <afidegnum1>	njathan:
[13:55:34] <njathan>	RoanKattouw
[13:55:34] <afidegnum1>	Ah ok lol
[13:55:38] <njathan>	:D
[13:55:50] <afidegnum1>	I used to see something else too, 
[13:55:53] <afidegnum1>	like 
[13:56:03] <tomow>	I have an idea for a future version of MW, but is there a formal "idea proposal" process?
[13:56:14] <afidegnum1>	*user shrugs* 
[13:56:14] <RoanKattouw>	tomow: File a bug at BugZilla
[13:56:22] <afidegnum1>	but this comes in a coloured form
[13:56:22] <tomow>	ah. thanks.
[13:56:26] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: Type /me shrugs
[13:56:27] <afidegnum1>	how is it doen?
[13:56:36] *afidegnum1 	shrugs
[13:56:37] *tomow 	doesn't know.
[13:56:47] <afidegnum1>	lol lol lol
[13:56:48] <afidegnum1>	nice
[13:57:00] <afidegnum1>	where can I get a list of such commands?
[13:57:51] <njathan>	RoanKattouw: but this does not translate the language of the content in the wiki.
[13:58:01] <njathan>	Should Google translate be the next step?
[13:58:11] <RoanKattouw>	njathan: Of course it doesn't. MediaWiki is many things, but it's not an automatic translator
[13:58:21] <RoanKattouw>	Most translate engines suck anyway
[13:58:39] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: I don't know. Maybe at [[IRC]] ?
[13:58:48] *afidegnum1 	is happy for all love and assistance offered!
[13:59:04] *afidegnum1 	Love IRC
[14:01:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14024  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:01:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add rd_interwiki colum to redirect table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14418  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:02:05] <njathan>	How do you put these messages on the wiki? like the "this is a stub" message or "This article may require cleanup"
[14:02:15] <RoanKattouw>	!template | njathan
[14:02:15] --mwbot--	njathan: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[14:03:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (thomas.j.owens)
[14:03:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10thomas.j.owens)
[14:03:28] <tomow>	oh. wow.
[14:03:32] <tomow>	tha's kinda cool.
[14:05:36] <tomow>	so now, i wait for other people to post in that bug report?
[14:05:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:08:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10thomas.j.owens)
[14:12:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  +comment (10daniel)
[14:12:24] <njathan>	When i go to wiki.laptop.org, the topmost section shows language options. Does that mean they have exclusively written it in those languages?
[14:12:53] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[14:12:57] <RoanKattouw>	See where those links lead
[14:13:05] <RoanKattouw>	To subpages of Main Page
[14:13:05] <njathan>	Whoa!
[14:13:21] <RoanKattouw>	Same goes for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API which has a (probably outdated) Russian translation
[14:13:32] <RoanKattouw>	Oh and some more languages too
[14:13:54] <njathan>	hmm.. okay.
[14:14:26] <Duesentrieb_>	the system used for those list is kind of sucky. mediawiki doesn't have very good support for multilingual wikis.
[14:14:36] <Duesentrieb_>	it basically expects you to have one wiki per language
[14:14:46] <RoanKattouw>	Like Wikipedia does
[14:14:56] <Duesentrieb>	exactly
[14:15:17] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: In theory, you could use loopback interwikis of the form http://www.example.com/wiki/$1/de
[14:15:56] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: or automatically redirect people to subpages in their language of choice. like Polyglot does.
[14:15:59] <RoanKattouw>	But that won't really work for interwiki links on [[Foo/de]], which will point to [[Foo/de/fr]], which is not what you want
[14:16:17] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: That requires core support, which isn't there
[14:16:23] <Duesentrieb>	no it doesn't
[14:16:26] <Duesentrieb>	you can easily hook it
[14:16:30] <Duesentrieb>	which is what polyglot does
[14:16:34] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[14:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10thomas.j.owens)
[14:18:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:19:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10thomas.j.owens)
[14:21:12] <BusyNeko>	11.?10?11WB10 (UT2K310) 11WB10?11?. 10- ( UT2K3 ) \o/ i've got a wb :) ( +t4zmanian ) UT2K3: he's posted that WB for at least 4 different people ( UT2K3 ) yes but i've dreamed every day for a wb :(
[14:22:41] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: Please ban BusyNeko 
[14:23:36] <VasilievVV>	BusyNeko: you get first and the last warning
[14:24:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10daniel)
[14:24:50] <RoanKattouw>	VasilievVV: He's been warned before by flyingparchment, who threatened to ban him if he did it again. He did
[14:27:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global Variable to Disable Cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10thomas.j.owens)
[14:34:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add rd_interwiki colum to redirect table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14418  (10innocentkiller)
[14:53:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configuration option to disable persistent cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  summary; +comment (10daniel)
[14:54:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configuration option to disable persistent cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10thomas.j.owens)
[15:01:48] <sigma_12>	which file is $wgShowIPinHeader in?
[15:02:11] <tomow>	I'm not totally sure, but I think all of those wg variables are in LocalSettings.php.
[15:02:15] <MinuteElectron>	you put it in LocalSettings.php
[15:02:38] <Duesentrieb>	!config | sigma_12 tomow
[15:02:38] --mwbot--	sigma_12 tomow: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[15:03:10] <tomow>	thanks
[15:04:53] <Kosmo>	Hello, i am not sure if this is the right chat room for layout issues
[15:05:21] <^demon>	Possibly. What's up?
[15:06:57] <sigma_12>	thanks guys
[15:06:58] <afidegnum1>	hello
[15:07:00] <afidegnum1>	pls it is me again
[15:07:32] <afidegnum1>	pls it is still about the page: http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[15:07:54] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: What about it?
[15:07:58] <afidegnum1>	I would like to ask, how can I make the design to look like: http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/index.php?title=Main_Page
[15:07:59] <afidegnum1>	?
[15:08:50] <RoanKattouw>	They've probably got a custom skin. Ask them if you can copy their design, or design something similar yourself
[15:08:54] <RoanKattouw>	!skin | afidegnum1 
[15:08:54] --mwbot--	afidegnum1: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[15:09:15] <RoanKattouw>	You seem to have a custom skin already
[15:09:25] <afidegnum1>	where is it?
[15:09:38] <afidegnum1>	ok I would like to make it like the index page
[15:09:46] <tomow>	where is what?
[15:09:48] <afidegnum1>	so the index will display a list of categories and other stuffs
[15:09:50] <Kosmo>	I would like to create tabs on this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Kosmo, but I do not know how
[15:10:21] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: The link you provided is loading very slowly for me
[15:10:27] <RoanKattouw>	Can you explain what their main page looks like?
[15:10:34] <afidegnum1>	yea, it is a kind of slow page
[15:10:55] <RoanKattouw>	Kosmo: Tabs? Like, tabs next to "discussion" and "edit"?
[15:11:15] <Kosmo>	yes 
[15:11:57] <Kosmo>	index card maybe correct
[15:11:58] <afidegnum1>	so, do you know pages I can get such skins?
[15:11:59] <RoanKattouw>	Kosmo: Normal wikis don't allow users to add custom tabs like that. It could be that that particular wiki has enabled an extension that does. If so, see that extension's manual. For a list of enabled extensions, go to [[Special:Version]]
[15:12:16] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: I don't think this is a skin issue. Basically, you want a list of categories on the main page, right?
[15:13:07] <Kosmo>	yes
[15:13:37] <Kosmo>	some like chapter section
[15:13:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable local uploads on BG Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14836  normal->highest (10dimitar.tsonev)
[15:14:35] <Kosmo>	something like this http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Mathematik
[15:15:28] <cirwin>	anyone know how I can use the proxysite and proxylang functionality from query.php with api.php?
[15:15:54] <RoanKattouw>	cirwin: What do proxysite and proxylang do?
[15:16:13] <cirwin>	allow (for example) en.wiktionary to query fr.wikipedia 
[15:16:21] <cirwin>	essential for javascript 
[15:16:37] <RoanKattouw>	cirwin: That's not possible yet. There's a bug at BugZilla for that though, lemme look it up
[15:17:01] <RoanKattouw>	!b 14024 | cirwin
[15:17:01] --mwbot--	cirwin: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14024
[15:17:48] <cirwin>	bugzilla's not talking to me :(
[15:17:57] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: How can you not remember the bug, you just marked it as a blocker to 14418 less than an hour ago :-P
[15:18:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should have a hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11537  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:18:10] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: I closed the tab
[15:18:29] <RoanKattouw>	cirwin: While XHR can't go off-domain, JSON callbacks can. You might wanna use those
[15:18:47] <tomow>	what is "BG wikipedia"?
[15:18:53] <cirwin>	is that just a fancy name for include remote <script> tag?
[15:19:52] <RoanKattouw>	cirwin: Sort of. The difference is that it lets you set a callback=foo parameter which will result in foo(your_data_goes_here); as your JS code (i.e. a function call)
[15:20:40] <cirwin>	ok
[15:21:01] <cirwin>	that's a much nicer solution
[15:22:21] <RoanKattouw>	The downside is that callback= always treats you as an anonymous user for security reasons
[15:22:30] <Kosmo>	RoanKattouw There is no way except with tables and links, with out admin right
[15:22:30] <RoanKattouw>	And won't feed you tokens
[15:22:59] <RoanKattouw>	Kosmo: The tabs on the page you mentioned can be done with tables and stuff. You don't need admin rights for that, just steal a bunch of code from dewiki
[15:23:41] <^demon|away>	RoanKattouw: I plan to have 14418 implemented in 1.14
[15:23:53] <^demon|away>	Too late for 1.13, sadly.
[15:24:06] <RoanKattouw>	^demon|away: Me too. The patch you provided looks good, but it should really go in after the 1.13 release
[15:24:16] <^demon|away>	Yep. Anyway, off to lunch.
[15:24:24] <Kosmo>	thanks did you have some sample (link) for me. I just learn the syntax i am a newbie :-(
[15:24:33] <RoanKattouw>	!tables | Kosmo
[15:24:33] --mwbot--	Kosmo: For help on creating tables in wikitext, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables>
[15:24:46] <RoanKattouw>	Try to read the source of Portal:Mathematik and make sense of it
[15:25:20] <Kosmo>	Thank you very much
[15:25:37] <RoanKattouw>	^demon|away: Once your patch has been committed, I'll add a maintenance script to auto-fill all existing entries and (finally) support redirect resolution through the redirect table
[15:25:49] <RoanKattouw>	But of course the latter requires an rd_section column too
[15:26:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Improve conflict-handling between shared upload repository (commons) and local one (part 2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14888 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (phi1ipp)
[15:28:36] <afidegnum>	RoanKattouw: pls I am back
[15:28:47] <afidegnum>	can you pls show me where I can get the skins?
[15:28:51] <afidegnum>	of wikimedia
[15:29:02] <afidegnum>	like http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/index.php?title=Main_Page
[15:29:04] <afidegnum>	?
[15:29:08] <tomow>	i believe all wikimedia sites run monobook.
[15:29:08] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum: If you want a list of categories or something like that on the Main Page, that's not a skin issue
[15:29:22] <RoanKattouw>	tomow: I think he means MediaWiki
[15:29:30] <tomow>	yeah.
[15:29:37] <afidegnum>	so I do it do it pls?
[15:29:51] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum: That link fails to load for me. If what you want is a list of categories on the Main Page, look into the CategoryTree extension
[15:29:55] <RoanKattouw>	!e CategoryTree | afidegnum
[15:29:55] --mwbot--	afidegnum: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[15:30:14] <tomow>	RoanKattouw: isn't categorytree in the code now?
[15:30:27] <RoanKattouw>	tomow: Not that I'm aware of
[15:30:38] <tomow>	must be something else I'm thinking of.
[15:30:53] <RoanKattouw>	Oversight maybe
[15:33:10] <afidegnum>	hehehe, confusing, I can't see anything there?
[15:34:02] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum: What do you mean? It's the description page of an extension that allows you to put category trees wherever you want them (in your case, on the Main Page)
[15:34:16] <afidegnum>	ok
[15:34:22] <afidegnum>	let me see
[15:35:15] <MadFrenchie>	Hey is there any way to restrict certin pages to only be viewed by certin people?
[15:35:24] <RoanKattouw>	!protect | MadFrenchie 
[15:35:24] --mwbot--	MadFrenchie: You can protect pages to prevent them from being edited by certain user groups. When a page is deleted its' protection is retained. Also you can protect nonexistant pages since 1.12. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Administrators#Protections>
[15:35:44] <MadFrenchie>	I don't mean restrict from being edited.. i mean from actually being viewed
[15:35:45] <tomow>	RoanKattouw: That's not really restricting the viewing of pages.
[15:35:52] <tomow>	that's very anti-wiki, isn't it?
[15:36:01] <RoanKattouw>	Oh *viewed*
[15:36:04] <MadFrenchie>	yeah it is.. but our wiki is used in a strange way
[15:36:14] <RoanKattouw>	!access | MadFrenchie 
[15:36:14] --mwbot--	MadFrenchie: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[15:36:16] <MadFrenchie>	Its the primary tool for information for our Technical Support Department
[15:36:28] <MadFrenchie>	and we want to add information for our managers.. but only want the managers to see.. not the 100 or so techs
[15:36:32] <tomow>	I think if you use Namespaces and a NameSpace protection tool, you can mimic this.
[15:36:53] <tomow>	Make a Manager: namespace and a Manager user group and only give that user group read access to that namespace.
[15:36:58] <RoanKattouw>	LockDown, right?
[15:37:00] <RoanKattouw>	!e Lockdown
[15:37:00] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
[15:37:04] <tomow>	yeah, I think so.
[15:37:14] <MadFrenchie>	ok, never messed with the whole namespace thing
[15:37:18] <MadFrenchie>	ill check that out
[15:37:41] <tomow>	yeah, Lockdown + user groups is how I would do it, if I had to do it.
[15:38:02] <tomow>	but it doesn't protect against searching (that's why I killed the search results on my wiki, only displaying the page title).
[15:38:13] <tomow>	oh, and uploaded files are also not protected.
[15:38:38] <MadFrenchie>	but if the page is restricted.. they can search for it but can't see it right?
[15:38:49] <tomow>	they will see it in the search results page, i believe.
[15:38:56] <tomow>	and they will see the 5 or so lines that are displayed.
[15:38:59] <RoanKattouw>	MadFrenchie: Also read the thing on $wgNonincludableNamespaces on the Extension:Lockdown pag
[15:39:07] <tomow>	but if they click on it, they will get an error message.
[15:39:52] <MadFrenchie>	ok
[15:40:20] <RoanKattouw>	First patch on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown/hiding_pages fixes the search bug
[15:40:56] <MadFrenchie>	thank you for the help guys
[15:41:08] <RoanKattouw>	Also note that, unless you apply even more of those patches, changes to protected pages will be shown on Special:Recentchanges
[15:41:25] <tomow>	RoanKattouw: Is Lockdown really "anti-wiki", in your opinion?
[15:41:27] <RoanKattouw>	Of course you can't see *what* was changed, but you will know the title of the page, who changed it, and *the edit summary*
[15:42:03] <RoanKattouw>	tomow: Well it is sort of, in the sense that MW doesn't have very good support for read restrictions
[15:42:25] <RoanKattouw>	But it's possible to tweak MW to allow it. It's a pain, but it's possibl
[15:42:27] <RoanKattouw>	e
[15:42:32] <tomow>	But I don't think it defies the underlying principles of a wiki.
[15:42:48] <RoanKattouw>	As a developer, I couldn't care less
[15:42:54] <tomow>	True, true.
[15:42:59] <MadFrenchie>	yeah... well we use the wiki to store alot of information
[15:43:06] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:43:06] <MadFrenchie>	i think our database is up above 200 megs right now
[15:43:43] <tomow>	That's still something I haven't gotten over in the "real world", outside of university. We, as developers, just meet the needs of the customer, no matter how stupid those needs are.
[15:43:43] <RoanKattouw>	MadFrenchie: What you could also do is create a separate wiki for the manager. Making entire wikis unreadable is supported much better
[15:43:50] <RoanKattouw>	You don't even need an extension for that
[15:44:22] <MadFrenchie>	yeah i could do  that as well
[15:44:27] <ProProductions2>	I got a need, lol
[15:44:32] <ProProductions2>	A new PC, lol
[15:44:41] <MadFrenchie>	im going to attempt to do what you guys stated earlier...  and if i can't then ill have to create a secodn wiki for them..
[15:44:58] <MadFrenchie>	I just don't like the fact that they would need to login to a second wiki.. as they do use the first wiki as well
[15:45:09] <RoanKattouw>	MadFrenchie: Use Extension:CentralAuth
[15:45:11] <tomow>	how easy is it to use MW to set up a small-scale wiki farm?
[15:45:12] <RoanKattouw>	!e CentralAuth
[15:45:12] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth
[15:45:23] <RoanKattouw>	!farm | tomow
[15:45:23] --mwbot--	tomow: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[15:45:23] <CIA-54>	03yaron * r37912 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/ (SGM_QueryPrinter.php SemanticGoogleMaps.php): 
[15:45:23] <CIA-54>	New version, 0.3.1: setting of size done through API instead of CSS style,
[15:45:23] <CIA-54>	less padding placed around map coordinates
[15:45:35] <tomow>	thanks.
[15:46:01] <RoanKattouw>	MadFrenchie: CentralAuth is very poorly documented, but works very well once you've got it set up
[15:46:40] <ProProductions2>	I just need to work out how to redesign my wiki now, lol
[15:52:02] <ProProductions2>	hmm whats with the disconnects here
[15:55:13] <tomow>	has MW ever been forked?
[15:55:40] *cirwin 	pauses with pasta for a moment to fork mediawiki (though the fork's slightly greasy)
[15:56:07] <RoanKattouw>	tomow: I don't believe so. We do have branches, though, which are like WMF-endorsed mini-forks
[15:56:17] <RoanKattouw>	Intended to eventually be merged back into trunk
[15:56:28] <tomow>	Eventually. lol.
[15:57:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make a number "un-raw" (use language specific separators) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14889 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (326374)
[16:03:41] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r37913 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Be stricter on rev id param if not given (bug 14860)
[16:03:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bot wrongly marks page as reviewed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14860  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:13:23] <afidegnum>	hello, about the category tree posted earlier?
[16:13:42] <afidegnum>	how can I add image / icons representing each icons?
[16:14:11] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum: You wanna add an icon in front of each category? I don't think CategoryTree supports that.
[16:21:05] <afidegnum>	ok in that case, do you know any other extensins that allows icons/ pictures to disply with cagegory tree on the front page like this : http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/index.php?title=Main_Page
[16:21:38] <RoanKattouw>	Again, that page doesn't load for me (timeout). Please post a screenshot somewhere and link to that
[16:22:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make image views statistics available through wikistats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14890 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Usage Statistics; (brianna.laugher)
[16:22:35] <tomow>	that's odd. they are indeed running CategoryTree.
[16:22:55] <RoanKattouw>	Why does everyone get to that site while I don't? Is it because I'm in Europe?
[16:23:11] <tomow>	The Internet must hate Europe.
[16:23:46] <ialex>	RoanKattouw: it works for me and i'm in europe
[16:23:58] <RoanKattouw>	Weird
[16:24:40] <RoanKattouw>	I get "Destination Net Unreachable" when pinging that site. Maybe it's my provider's fault
[16:25:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882  (10m.hamm.1)
[16:26:24] <tomow>	is there a brief explanation of the relationship between wikipedia/wikimedia foundation and mediawiki?
[16:26:44] <cirwin>	wikimedia foundation is a charity that runs websites like wikipedia
[16:26:58] <cirwin>	mediawiki is the software that they help develop and use on their sites
[16:27:21] <tomow>	so they "own" mediawiki? and by own, i mean choose to open source it and whatnot?
[16:27:52] <cirwin>	dunno
[16:28:02] <RoanKattouw>	tomow: Nobody really owns MW, but the WMF hosts the 'official' source repository
[16:28:17] <RoanKattouw>	And employs two MW developers, including the lead developer
[16:28:34] <tomow>	oh. i see. cool.
[16:30:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make a number "un-raw" (use language specific separators) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14889  (10N/A)
[16:39:18] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37914 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/phplot-5.0.5/ (ChangeLog LICENSE.GPL LICENSE.PHP_3_0 NEWS.txt README.txt): svn:eol-style native
[16:41:08] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37915 10/trunk/phase3/docs/README: update
[16:49:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[16:51:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Installer should check for dependencies - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14885  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[16:52:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882  (10conrad.irwin)
[16:58:41] <Nikerabbit>	uh?
[16:59:02] <Nikerabbit>	why in earth is phplot copied to our svn under flaggedrevs?
[16:59:17] <Nikerabbit>	should I add second one under translate?
[16:59:25] <cirwin>	it's a secret phplot to take over the world
[17:00:21] <cirwin>	Nikerabbit: assuming you have commit access, could you commit an extension for me. (It will (hopefully) be being installed on en.wikt imminently)
[17:02:33] <MaxSem>	Nikerabbit, where does installer check for DOM?
[17:02:47] <Nikerabbit>	MaxSem: it doesn't
[17:03:18] <Nikerabbit>	cirwin: maybe
[17:03:34] <cirwin>	ok
[17:03:36] <alnokta2>	hello Nikerabbit 
[17:04:24] <Nikerabbit>	cirwin: needs at least a license
[17:04:43] <cirwin>	I suppose it's GFDL if it's on wikt
[17:05:07] <Nikerabbit>	gfdl doesn't work that well along gpl
[17:05:14] <cirwin>	ok, I'll slap a gpl on it
[17:05:16] <Simetrical>	MaxSem, in the most recent versions, if no explicit preference is given, the DOM parser is used at runtime if DOM is available, otherwise the hash processor.
[17:06:44] <MaxSem>	ah, it's explicit setting is commented out in DefaultSettings now
[17:07:43] <Lady_Aleena>	Has someone been fiddling with subst:?
[17:08:00] <Lady_Aleena>	It isn't working correctly with {{subst:{{PAGENAME}}}}
[17:08:29] <MaxSem>	{{subst:PAGENAME}}
[17:09:59] <Lady_Aleena>	MaxSem, you may thwop me now.
[17:10:17] *Lady_Aleena 	feels like an idiot.
[17:10:26] *MaxSem 	looks up 'thwop' in wikt
[17:11:34] <federy>	hello, someone know to install monobook suite in mediawiki??
[17:12:02] <cirwin>	federy: monobook skin is the default skin, what's monobook suite?
[17:12:17] <federy>	monobook-suite
[17:13:17] <federy>	http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Axxgreazz/Monobook-Suite (spanish)
[17:13:31] <federy>	it helps to revert vandalism
[17:13:45] <federy>	and to edit more easily
[17:14:17] <federy>	seems that need to install java in the server, but i'm not sure
[17:14:37] <cirwin>	looks like javascript to me
[17:14:52] *Lady_Aleena 	found a definition of thwop elsewhere and now has to find a new word. She should have looked it up a long time ago. She also apologizes for this semi-non-sequitor.
[17:14:57] <federy>	yes
[17:15:22] <federy>	but this complement need somethigs special to work?
[17:15:44] <cirwin>	not really
[17:16:27] <cirwin>	just $wgAllowUserJs = true
[17:16:27] <phoenixsampras>	hi friends
[17:16:44] <cirwin>	then copy the javascript to [[Special:MyPage/monobook.js]]
[17:16:50] <federy>	ok, i'm gooing to prove tat
[17:18:48] <phoenixsampras>	how to delete a mediawiki category?? i deleted 2 categories (including from all the pages) but they still there
[17:18:59] <CIA-54>	03river * r37916 10/trunk/switchboard/ (6 files): support for config options max-proc and max-procs-per-user
[17:19:17] <alnokta3>	phoenixsampras, shift+RELOAD
[17:19:25] <phoenixsampras>	how to delete a mediawiki category?? i deleted 2 categories (including from all the pages) but they still there when i open the categorytree
[17:19:31] <cirwin>	phoenixsampras: don't repeat
[17:19:34] <NicDumZ>	phoenixsampras, do not repeat yourself
[17:19:40] <phoenixsampras>	sorry i was correcting
[17:19:56] <cirwin>	have you ctrl+shift+refreshed the page?
[17:20:03] <federy>	cirwin: thank's :)
[17:20:20] <cirwin>	np
[17:20:44] <MaxSem>	phoenixsampras, you need to remove the category from every page that uses it
[17:21:02] <phoenixsampras>	MaxSem: i did remove 
[17:21:16] <phoenixsampras>	MaxSem: but they still show in categorytree
[17:21:47] <MaxSem>	but the category itself looks gone?
[17:21:47] <phoenixsampras>	Nevermind!!! the dissapiered !!!
[17:21:53] <phoenixsampras>	thank you friends
[17:21:58] <phoenixsampras>	I LOVE WIKIMEDIA!!!
[17:22:01] *MaxSem 	slaps caching around a bit with a large trout
[17:22:09] <phoenixsampras>	i would sleep with you all in gratitude!!
[17:28:33] <CIA-54>	03alnokta * r37917 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Update skin names
[17:32:55] <CIA-54>	03river * r37918 10/trunk/switchboard/ (fcgi_cgi.cc process_factory.cc): use lstat instead of stat
[17:37:23] <afidegnum1>	hello, I am back again pls
[17:42:02] <tomow>	does anyone know what the Summary namespace is for? I think it's related to Semantic MediaWiki, but I can't find any documentation on it.
[17:47:58] <afidegnum1>	Hello good morning all! pls I am looking for a wikimedia design for a categorised index page like : http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/index.php?title=Main_Page. can anyone direct me on how to do it please? 
[17:48:25] <Nikerabbit>	good evening
[17:49:01] <cirwin>	afidegnum1: edit a copy of one of the skins
[17:51:06] <afidegnum1>	which skin? and how can I get the page into category
[17:51:28] <cirwin>	monobook is the default skin
[17:51:49] <cirwin>	put a page into a category using [[Category:Name]] on the page
[17:51:58] <afidegnum1>	this si the page I am working at
[17:51:59] <afidegnum1>	http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[17:52:08] <afidegnum1>	 I want to apply the skin to it
[17:52:39] <cirwin>	you will have to ask them for the skin then
[17:53:49] <afidegnum1>	ok. suppose i have the skin, how do I set the category to appear on the main page. once detail is clicked, it takes you to a next page to view a details"
[17:53:50] <afidegnum1>	?
[17:54:46] <cirwin>	sorry, I don't understnad
[17:55:04] <cirwin>	like their "contents" box?
[17:55:45] <afidegnum1>	ys
[17:56:05] <cirwin>	probably part of making the skin
[17:59:00] <afidegnum1>	I need directives on how to set it
[17:59:16] <cirwin>	I can't help 
[18:00:29] <afidegnum1>	hmmmm
[18:00:49] *afidegnum1 	sniff sniff why? why?
[18:01:19] <cirwin>	'cos I've never done it :p
[18:10:56] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37919 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): 
[18:10:56] <CIA-54>	Updated Configure:
[18:10:56] <CIA-54>	* MediaWiki: Added $wgCookiePrefix
[18:10:56] <CIA-54>	* Extensions: Updated FlaggedRevs
[18:11:21] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: you can look at the source of the page you linked to : http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
[18:11:39] <tomow>	carl-m: That's his wiki...
[18:11:44] <tomow>	He can do more than look at the source.
[18:11:51] <Nikerabbit>	m tomow 
[18:12:13] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: what are you trying to accomplish? 
[18:12:22] <afidegnum1>	ok. pls anyone, help me do this together! what could be the possible steps to take?
[18:12:35] <carl-m>	what is "this"? 
[18:13:19] <afidegnum1>	I am still on wikimedia issue again
[18:13:39] <afidegnum1>	I just finished installing wikimedia
[18:13:45] <Nikerabbit>	I want a chocolate cake right now or I will start crying!
[18:13:45] <afidegnum1>	on my server
[18:13:54] <afidegnum1>	but I want to implement this desigh: http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/
[18:14:10] <tomow>	so ask them for the skin they are using.
[18:14:27] <RoanKattouw>	He doesn't want the skin, he wants the category list
[18:14:32] <tomow>	oh, yeah.
[18:14:44] <RoanKattouw>	(which I still can't see cause music-web.org is unreachable for me)
[18:14:56] <tomow>	want me to screencap it for you?
[18:14:58] <carl-m>	I can load music-web.org but I don't see a list
[18:15:04] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: what part of the page are you looking at? 
[18:15:14] <tomow>	http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/Music_Encyclopedia_Home --> the Contents section
[18:15:18] <afidegnum1>	which browser are you using?
[18:15:22] <carl-m>	firefox
[18:15:42] <tomow>	is there a pastebin for image files?
[18:15:49] <afidegnum1>	on the main page, you see Music Encyclopedia Home
[18:15:57] <carl-m>	yes
[18:16:00] <afidegnum1>	and at the botom, you see contents
[18:16:01] <ialex>	afidegnum1: the software is named MediaWiki, Wikimedia is the foundation that support it ;)
[18:16:14] <carl-m>	yes, I see a 'contents' heading
[18:16:24] <TimStarling>	should "double redirect" be hyphenated?
[18:16:24] <afidegnum1>	when you cick on one of the contents, the detais display on the next page
[18:16:39] <carl-m>	yes
[18:17:06] <tomow>	ok. RoanKattouw do you know of a place I can quikc upload this image so you can see what we are all taking about?
[18:17:10] <cirwin>	TimStarling: matter of taste, I'd say no
[18:17:13] <carl-m>	did you look at the source of their page?  I think it's just a link to a category
[18:17:18] <afidegnum1>	this s the page I have. I want to design somethng like that too! http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/
[18:17:27] <carl-m>	have you looked at their wiki code? 
[18:17:37] <afidegnum1>	I cant
[18:17:44] <tomow>	they don't like you view their wiki code without an account.
[18:18:04] <carl-m>	tomow: you just have to look harder
[18:18:38] <afidegnum1>	ok. 
[18:18:44] <afidegnum1>	maybe you can guide me
[18:19:32] <afidegnum1>	how can I display a cat on the main page, and details on the next page?
[18:20:02] <carl-m>	you just link to it
[18:20:07] <carl-m>	this is the source code of their page
[18:20:08] <carl-m>	http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/index.php?title=Music_Encyclopedia_Home&action=raw
[18:20:42] <TimStarling>	I think actually the answer is just no, on re-reading the wikipedia page about hyphens
[18:20:47] <tomow>	ah. no extension there. it's just a table.
[18:21:00] <carl-m>	I believe so
[18:21:06] <tomow>	with images.
[18:21:07] <tomow>	read the help docs about tables...if I could get the bot to link you, I would.
[18:21:24] <cirwin>	I thought you could always hyphenate adjacent words if they made up a noun phrase, to reduce ambiguity
[18:22:05] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: does their source code make sense? it's just wiki code to link to the categroy page
[18:22:07] <TimStarling>	right, "double redirect" but "doubly-redirected page"
[18:22:27] <TimStarling>	no hyphen when you the adjective is a single word
[18:22:45] <afidegnum1>	but, that is only the html 
[18:22:46] <afidegnum1>	side
[18:22:51] <afidegnum1>	I would like to have the php 
[18:23:14] <cirwin>	I would hyphenate double-redirect pages, because it stops the possibility of having double redirect-pages
[18:23:21] <TimStarling>	I'm just putting some finishing touches on the White_Cat feature
[18:23:40] <tomow>	anyone happen to know the extension that tells you if someone else is editing the page you are?
[18:23:44] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: I pasted the link for you to get it
[18:24:32] <alnokta3>	TimStarling, what is that feature?
[18:24:44] <afidegnum1>	I saw the link, it is an html page which contains no much data
[18:24:52] <carl-m>	then try this link http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/Special:Export/Music_Encyclopedia_Home
[18:24:55] <TimStarling>	hello alnokta, I was expecting to see you in Alexandria, were you there?
[18:25:12] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: the text there is the source code of their page
[18:25:16] <MadFrenchie>	Hey, I just wanted to thank you guys for the help earlier RoanKattouw, I got everything working, the only question i have.    is stupid but simple. how to I create a category in a new namespace i made?
[18:26:13] <tomow>	Categories aren't in a particular namespace.
[18:26:31] <tomow>	Categories are cross-namespace, so articles in different namespaces can be in the same category.
[18:26:48] <MadFrenchie>	ok, thats what i figured, Its because i set permissions on the namespace for only certin people can see the info... i wanted to do the same permissions for that category
[18:26:54] <tomow>	Just put [[Category:???]] where ??? is the name of the category on the page that you want put in the category.
[18:26:57] <MadFrenchie>	but thats fine ill just make a regular page instead of a category
[18:27:07] <alnokta3>	TimStarling, hello, i was too, but family trouble ;)
[18:27:32] <TimStarling>	right
[18:28:03] <TimStarling>	the feature is to fix double redirects which are created by a page move, via the job queue
[18:28:25] <afidegnum1>	carl-m: what if we want to do something like that looking at the source code. it willbe confusing since it is not a complete one?
[18:28:35] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Oh, that'd be very nice
[18:28:40] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: I don't understand
[18:28:58] <alnokta3>	ah neat :)
[18:29:06] <TimStarling>	it's inspired by White_Cat and his screen full of bots running 24/7
[18:29:07] <TimStarling>	it was so sad
[18:29:24] <TimStarling>	poor little bots working their fingers to the bone
[18:29:54] <cirwin>	ooh, could wiktionary get a feature to do all our interwikis - bots are too inefficient
[18:30:09] <RoanKattouw>	afidegnum1: There's a way around those restrictions; you can go to http://www.example.com/somewhere/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&titles=Main_Page&format=yamlfm . You just have to figure out what /somewhere is: it's the path to index.php. Others can probably guide you from there, I gotta go now
[18:30:21] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Very nice feature
[18:30:54] <afidegnum1>	ok let me come this way
[18:31:36] <afidegnum1>	pls wait dont got yet
[18:31:41] <afidegnum1>	it si simple
[18:31:58] <RoanKattouw>	I really gotta go now
[18:31:59] <afidegnum1>	RoanKattouw: 
[18:32:25] <afidegnum1>	pls borrow me your time for a short min
[18:32:28] <afidegnum1>	before you go
[18:32:29] <afidegnum1>	5 min
[18:32:55] <afidegnum1>	u tere?
[18:33:15] <cirwin>	afidegnum1: (19:32:14) RoanKattouw left the room (quit:
[18:33:35] <afidegnum1>	oh
[18:33:52] <afidegnum1>	ok pls look
[18:34:02] <TimStarling>	I'm calling it from the UI instead of Title::moveTo(), because it seems kind of high-level
[18:34:07] <afidegnum1>	we use [[categories:name]]
[18:34:19] <TimStarling>	that can change pretty easily though if someone disagrees
[18:34:20] <afidegnum1>	to display categores on themain page right?
[18:34:36] <afidegnum1>	but it appears at the buttom of the page
[18:35:06] <afidegnum1>	right?
[18:35:32] <cirwin>	yes
[18:35:32] <tomow>	To dislpay a link to a category use [[:Category:CategoryName]]
[18:35:58] <tomow>	otherwise, you are adding a page to a category.
[18:36:20] <afidegnum1>	and when we click on the cagegory, we have a child categories that can also be display at the same way right
[18:36:39] <tomow>	Child categories are made by assigning a category page to a category.
[18:37:02] <tomow>	So go to a category page and click on the edit tab, and put [[Category:ParentCategory]] at the bottom.
[18:38:02] *afidegnum1 	says we are trying to see how we can mimick what http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/ is doing so we can have an example
[18:38:09] <afidegnum1>	ok I am continuing
[18:39:02] <afidegnum1>	now, first of all, how do we change the position of the category links so it will nto appear at teh buttom of the page, but can be located every where even embeded in a different code?
[18:39:03] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: take the source code from that site and use it on your site as a starting point
[18:39:06] <afidegnum1>	fist question?
[18:39:30] <tomow>	Use [[:Category:CategoryName]] to link to any category.
[18:40:21] <afidegnum1>	what about shifting position of the link?
[18:40:31] <tomow>	use tables and other wiki markup.
[18:40:34] <afidegnum1>	like http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/
[18:40:41] <afidegnum1>	the categories are located here!
[18:41:06] <afidegnum1>	carl-m: pls can you post me the source code you mentioned? let me try?
[18:41:34] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: http://www.artisticpursuit.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Export/Main_Page
[18:41:54] <carl-m>	and           http://www.music-web.org/encyclopedia/Special:Export/Music_Encyclopedia_Home
[18:42:44] <afidegnum1>	ok back to the previous question? how can we change the category link to a different position on the page instead of the button, by default?
[18:43:03] <cirwin>	edit the skin
[18:43:18] <afidegnum1>	where?
[18:43:25] <cirwin>	in skins/MonoBook.php
[18:43:31] <tomow2>	the CSS files and MediaWiki:Common.css.
[18:43:42] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: the main page of music-web is not in those categories. the links you see are just links to the category mad eby hand in the wiki source code
[18:48:13] <tekmosis>	I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding the usage of undo or if this is a bug. http://metalgear.neoseeker.com/w/index.php?title=User:Tekmosis&action=history You can see that the first edit consisted of legitimate content. The second edit everything replaced with "aaaaaaa" and the third edit everything replaced with "bbbbbbb"
[18:48:14] <tekmosis>	Now, if I hit "undo" on the second edit ("aaaaaaa") to revert it back to the original shouldn't it load up with that content? instead it loads "bbbbbbb" in the edit box. Is this a bug? (MW 1.12)
[18:49:29] <ialex>	tekmosis: because there's a conflict with the current version
[18:49:34] <afidegnum1>	carl-m: pls u there?>
[18:50:21] <tekmosis>	What do you mean a conflict? shouldn't an undo just load the text from the revision previous to it?
[18:51:06] <ialex>	no
[18:52:18] <ialex>	it tries to "revert" that version, even if it isn't the latest one
[18:53:01] <tekmosis>	Could you clarify what you mean by conflict? I can undo the current revision "bbbbbbb" back to "aaaaaaa" but not "bbbbbb" to the first block of text
[18:54:26] <carl-m>	afidegnum1: you don't need to change the skin.  all the other site is doing is linking ot he categories. take their source code as a starting point and work from there. that's about all the advice I can give
[18:56:16] <afidegnum1>	ok let em try someting
[18:57:09] <afidegnum1>	carl-m: are you with me pls?
[18:57:45] <tomow2>	i'm trying to help you too. use [[:Category:CategoryName]] to link to a category. note the : before Category.
[18:57:56] <ialex>	tekmosis: there's a conflict because the diff3 execute (which is used in "undo") tries to replace "bbbbbb" in the current version with the first version, but there isn't "bbbbbb" in the current version, so there's a conflict
[18:59:46] <tekmosis>	ahh, I see. So how would a user properly undo edits 2 and 3 to get back to the original? In this case it's simple but it may not be for larger pages with more substantial edits
[19:01:59] <ialex>	if you want to revert to a specific version, just edit that version and save
[19:03:43] <alnokta3>	Werdna, how far is that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/dev
[19:05:17] <Malgaur>	I am considering using mediawiki, but I read that it may not be a good idea as I would only be using it on a simple 1 machine server.  Is this the case?
[19:06:04] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Installer should check for dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14885  +comment (10brion)
[19:06:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  +comment (10brion)
[19:07:49] <alnokta3>	Malgaur, discard what you read
[19:10:32] <afidegnum1>	hello, 
[19:16:16] <tomow2>	there's no way for an admin to view or change another user's preferences, is there?
[19:16:23] <tomow2>	admin being sysop or bureaucrat
[19:16:32] <ialex>	!e LookupUser
[19:16:32] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LookupUser
[19:17:02] <flo__>	hi, could anyone point me to help for syntax of imagemap tag (ie) in template without parserfunction extension installed?
[19:17:07] <flo__>	ie http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Click&action=edit
[19:17:08] <tomow2>	thanks ialex
[19:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Donation site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875  +comment (10brion)
[19:22:42] <afidegnum1>	hello, ok i am back to the previous isse again! 
[19:23:23] <afidegnum1>	carl-m: pls are you still there?
[19:27:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update page_restrictions table on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14891 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (cbm)
[19:29:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) update page_restrictions table on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14891  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:30:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run maintenance/updateRestrictions.php on all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9386  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:30:20] <cirwin>	Malgaur: it works fine for me on a single machine
[19:30:38] <cirwin>	sorry /me was scrolled up without noticed
[19:30:41] <cirwin>	*noticing
[19:41:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Donation site down (misconfigured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14875  (10meno25wiki)
[19:41:52] <SQLDb>	Is there an easy way for a client (ideally via the API) to determine if a wiki is locked? (In this case, I'm looking for closed wikis)
[19:42:21] <brion>	SQLDb: i believe somebody recently added read-only state to api siteinfo
[19:42:28] <brion>	however this may be transitory
[19:42:44] <SQLDb>	ahh, I'll go look :)
[19:43:16] <SQLDb>	brion: yes, thanks! :) 'readonly=""' 
[19:44:58] <carl-m>	that seems to work at the moment
[19:47:51] <afidegnum1>	who is metionning ewe there?
[20:00:19] <Sasoriza>	Skizzerz, using your RandomImage extension, getting this: Warning:  DOMDocument::loadHTML() [<a href='domdocument.loadhtml'>domdocument.loadhtml</a>]: Unexpected end tag : span in Entity, line: 1 in (path)/extensions/RandomImage/RandomImage.class.php on line 118
[20:00:41] <Skizzerz>	Sasoriza: I didn't write RandomImage...
[20:00:45] <Sasoriza>	oh
[20:00:47] <Sasoriza>	my bad
[20:01:37] <Sasoriza>	Whoops. Dunno how I mixed that up. Oh well.
[20:02:00] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37920 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: better with that variable ;)
[20:02:49] <Sasoriza>	Anyone have a solution?
[20:03:39] *TimStarling 	is thinking of the poor tanzanian children and dumbing down his message text
[20:04:12] <Sasoriza>	How about the poor Australian children
[20:04:37] <MZMcBride>	Sasoriza: Enable Tidy?
[20:04:53] <Sasoriza>	That might be an idea.
[20:05:24] <TimStarling>	"Fixed double redirect" -- why?
[20:05:58] <TimStarling>	"Fixed double redirect created by move of [[Target A]] to [[Target B]]" -- what is a "double redirect" and why did I create one? I'm just moving a page
[20:06:18] <MZMcBride>	A redirect to a redirect is a double redirect.
[20:06:21] <cirwin>	updated redirect from old page to new page
[20:06:28] <CIA-54>	03aaron * r37921 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ProblemPages_body.php: Remove cruft, declare var
[20:06:31] <TimStarling>	"[[Target B]] has been moved, it is now just a redirect to [[Target A]]" -- plain english, says what it does
[20:06:35] <MZMcBride>	MediaWiki doesn't follow redirects more than once to avoid loops.
[20:06:37] <MZMcBride>	:)
[20:06:41] <TimStarling>	and assumes you can look at the diff if you don't get it
[20:07:08] <TimStarling>	so I'm going with that last one
[20:08:41] <TimStarling>	'fix-double-redirects'    => 'Update any redirects that point to the original title',
[20:08:51] <MZMcBride>	The software's going to be editing more regularly? That's new.
[20:08:54] <TimStarling>	better with no jargon, right?
[20:09:34] <cirwin>	yes
[20:09:40] <cirwin>	(to TimStarling)
[20:10:02] <TimStarling>	MZMcBride: it would be a bit silly if the only thing on earth that can't edit a wiki is mediawiki
[20:10:18] <MZMcBride>	I suppose.
[20:10:48] <MZMcBride>	Technically you're not fixing double redirects, though. You're re-pointing them to work around a software limitation. 
[20:11:18] <TimStarling>	well, technically I'm fixing double redirects
[20:11:26] <TimStarling>	but I've removed all references to the term in the message text
[20:11:29] *AaronSchulz 	saw that coming
[20:11:35] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[20:11:44] <TimStarling>	because from the user point of view, it's just repointing them
[20:12:09] <MZMcBride>	It'll use the job queue; won't the bots beat that in a lot of cases on en.wiki?
[20:12:36] <TimStarling>	it's not really working around a limitation, it wouldn't be too hard to make it follow longer chains
[20:12:46] <TimStarling>	it's just that the chains could get really really long, and that would be slow
[20:13:29] <MZMcBride>	So will the re-pointer follow multiple redirects?
[20:13:34] <TimStarling>	well, White_Cat is only running his bots once every week or two
[20:13:45] <TimStarling>	it's not too hard to beat that
[20:13:45] <MZMcBride>	White_Cat is one of many bot operators.
[20:13:53] <TimStarling>	right, and they can all retire
[20:14:00] <TimStarling>	and we can put in another few job runners
[20:14:05] <Sasoriza>	MZMcBride: That wasn't it. (enable tidy)
[20:14:22] <MZMcBride>	Sasoriza: You're using the correct version, right? 
[20:14:23] *AaronSchulz 	wonders what bot retirement age is
[20:14:31] <TimStarling>	yes, it follows an arbitrarily long chain of redirects, with special protection against circular redirects
[20:14:42] <MZMcBride>	That's good to hear.
[20:19:24] <Sasoriza>	which tidy is correct for 1.12? or does it matter
[20:19:45] <MZMcBride>	I meant the correct version of the extension.
[20:20:02] <MZMcBride>	Sometimes extensions are branched when breaking changes are implemented into MediaWiki.
[20:20:44] <Sasoriza>	Hrm. "Snapshot" should be in the sidebar template.
[20:29:33] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37922 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: *sigh* i broke locked wikis :(
[20:53:57] <CIA-54>	03ialex * r37923 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: Show the site for special wikis if it's not 'wiki'
[21:05:25] <Sasoriza>	Lovely. Now all kinds of errors.
[21:06:08] <Sasoriza>	Can't even paste 'em.
[21:07:16] <alnokta2>	just rm -rf mediawiki and start over :P
[21:10:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error on installing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14884  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:10:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:10:48] <Sasoriza>	alnokta2: was that for me?
[21:11:13] <alnokta2>	Sasoriza, yes 
[21:11:29] <Sasoriza>	I was talking about rafb
[21:17:31] <Sasoriza>	http://www.sasoriza.us/screwedupcode.html code above the ----... below was what came back after pastebinning :S
[21:19:24] <alnokta2>	 SAFE MODE 
[21:20:09] <alnokta2>	its trying to use /tmp which isn't allowed , try to change the /tmp thing into something you can write to
[21:28:24] <CIA-54>	03skizzerz * r37924 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * (bug 14883) Create hook AlternateSkinPreferences to alternate skin section in user preferences
[21:28:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create hook (AlternateSkinPreferences) to alternate skin section in user preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14883  +comment (10skizzerz)
[21:33:54] <qsheets>	Duesentrieb: when is your bot going to make it's next round?
[21:34:08] <Duesentrieb>	what bot? 
[21:34:13] <Duesentrieb>	commonsticker?
[21:34:21] <qsheets>	DuesenBot
[21:34:33] <Duesentrieb>	doing what?
[21:34:45] <qsheets>	Extension Matrix
[21:34:48] <Duesentrieb>	that account is used for different jobs on different wikis
[21:34:48] <Duesentrieb>	ah.
[21:34:57] <Duesentrieb>	well... i think that's broken :)
[21:35:02] <qsheets>	lol
[21:35:05] <Duesentrieb>	didn't have time to look into it
[21:35:19] <Duesentrieb>	the page has grown too huge, i have to rewrite it to split that up
[21:35:22] <Duesentrieb>	not sure when i will
[21:36:02] <qsheets>	make it create subpages to sort by name or extension type
[21:36:41] <Duesentrieb>	by type would be neat, even though some extensions would appear several times. and i would have to have a page for the "rest".
[21:36:51] <Duesentrieb>	but again... dunno when i'll have time for that.
[21:36:55] <Duesentrieb>	probably not soon :)
[21:37:23] <cirwin>	isn't that what categories are for?
[21:38:18] <Duesentrieb>	cirwin: sure. but sadly they can not be made do display more information that the title of the extension
[21:38:22] <Duesentrieb>	the matrix shows a lot more
[21:38:36] <cirwin>	of course
[21:39:14] <cirwin>	I could use an extension that allowed a summary in categories..
[21:39:37] <Duesentrieb>	well, DPL can be sued to get something like that
[21:39:53] <qsheets>	lol
[21:40:02] <Duesentrieb>	i guess, someone who knows DPL well enough could probably make a nice replacement for the bot generated matrix
[21:40:10] <Duesentrieb>	bah.
[21:40:13] <Duesentrieb>	*used
[21:40:26] <Duesentrieb>	nice typo, that
[21:40:31] <qsheets>	yea
[21:41:09] <CIA-54>	03yaron * r37925 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Factbox.php: Added check for existence of $title in initStorage()
[21:43:45] <SyntaxNinj1>	Greetings! Is there a discussion anywhere about what license governs MediaWiki extensions?  ie are they all automatically GPL?
[21:44:58] <qsheets>	SyntaxNinj1: assume GPL unless otherwise specified
[21:45:26] <Duesentrieb>	qsheets: uh... assuming a license is usually not wise
[21:46:03] <Duesentrieb>	if it's used on wmf wikis, it should definitly be gpl. if it's maintained in wmf's svn repository, it's almost certainly gpl.
[21:46:08] <Duesentrieb>	otherwise, there's really no telling
[21:46:23] <SyntaxNinj1>	qsheets: is it even possible for someone to license something other than GPL? I see that there are "License" fields for extensions, but I wondered if the MW developers consider them derivative works?
[21:46:32] <Duesentrieb>	nad it's a matter of debate if extensions mustbe gpl automatically - i.e. if they "link against" mediawiki.
[21:47:07] <Duesentrieb>	SyntaxNinj1: that's very tricky, given the fact that the gpl is a shitty license that was written for C programs.
[21:47:19] <Duesentrieb>	it's hard to even apply it to a scripting language
[21:47:30] <SyntaxNinj1>	right :) we in the Haskell community end up having issues with the LGPL because of the way the linker works.
[21:47:45] <Duesentrieb>	and php doesn't *have* a linker
[21:47:50] *SyntaxNinj1 	nods
[21:48:08] <SyntaxNinj1>	Do you know if it's been discussed on mailing lists or anything? I can keep googling, but just wondered if you recall a discussion.
[21:48:17] <CIA-54>	03tstarling * r37926 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/eval.php: Use a history file with readline, so that readline history is carried over from one invocation to another
[21:48:33] <Duesentrieb>	i think it has been brought up before, but without a definitive answer. but i'm not sure
[21:48:45] <Duesentrieb>	i think most devs don??t care too much.
[21:48:47] *qsheets 	wishes his extension were in the svn
[21:48:57] <Duesentrieb>	I would recommend licensing all extension under the gpl
[21:49:04] <Duesentrieb>	and it can be argued that they must
[21:49:11] <SyntaxNinj1>	OK cool. thanks :)
[21:50:16] *qsheets 	with the answer and Duesentrieb with the extremely long explanation
[21:50:52] <Duesentrieb>	well, i could just have said "no one knows for sure" :)
[21:51:30] *SyntaxNinj1 	prefers long explanations, no worries ;)
[21:52:45] <qsheets>	still, i want my ext in the svn, b/c i'm tired of having to edit the mediawiki page every time i need to edit part of my extension
[22:05:05] <qsheets>	ProProductions: how's your internet connection handling?? <(^^,)>
[22:05:24] <qsheets>	not very well, i see
[22:15:43] <qsheets>	he's back...
[22:15:48] <qsheets>	LMAO
[22:16:27] <qsheets>	Duesentrieb: are you seeing this?
[22:16:44] <Duesentrieb>	hm
[22:16:47] <Duesentrieb>	?
[22:17:20] *qsheets 	is watching ProProductions come and go
[22:24:00] <Bjelleklang>	any news on 1.13?
[22:38:08] <CIA-54>	03vyznev * r37927 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:38:08] <CIA-54>	Make Special:Recentchangeslinked display changes to transcluded pages (templatelinks table) and embedded images (imagelinks table). This should help a bit against the recent spate of template vandalism on enwiki.
[22:38:08] <CIA-54>	Also make the "Show changes to pages linked" button work for categories.
[22:38:08] <CIA-54>	Remaining issues / things to do:
[22:38:08] <CIA-54>	 - Test performance of the UNION query on a larger dataset than my test wiki.
[22:38:12] <CIA-54>	 - Add some checkboxes to allow filtering the results like on Special:Whatlinkshere.
[22:38:14] <CIA-54>	 - Try to think of some way to make the behavior for categories less klugy.
[22:40:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page listing changes to transcluded pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5872  +comment (10nospam)
[22:44:48] <CIA-54>	03tstarling * r37928 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[22:44:48] <CIA-54>	* (bug 4578) Automatically fix redirects broken by a page move. Works via the job queue, controllable by a checkbox on Special:Movepage.
[22:44:48] <CIA-54>	* Renamed some excessively short variables in SpecialMovepage.php
[22:44:48] <CIA-54>	* Allow $wgReservedUsernames to be localised using "msg:..." syntax
[22:45:09] <Vyznev>	woohoo!
[22:47:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page moves should not create double redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4578  +comment (10tstarling)
[23:31:55] <Alan>	hi 
[23:32:02] <barra_>	hola Alan 
[23:32:23] <Alan>	does anyone know how set an user as steward?
[23:34:53] <Alan>	nobody? :)
[23:34:56] <OverlordQ>	do you have more then one wiki?
[23:35:36] <Alan>	yes
[23:35:53] <Alan>	one in common, one italian and one spanish
[23:36:12] <Alan>	i'd like to have the opportunity to merge accounts
[23:36:38] <Alan>	but wiki says Only stewards may merge other people's accounts for them. 
[23:38:37] <Alan>	OverlordQ ?
[23:38:52] <OverlordQ>	truthfully I dunno lol, I just added it by hand in the db.
[23:39:42] <Alan>	how ?
[23:41:52] <OverlordQ>	truthfully I'd wait before doing that to see if there's a proper way :)
[23:43:12] <Alan>	ok thanks anyway... i go ;) bye
[23:44:39] <ProProductions>	I wonder if I can stay this time 
[23:55:35] <ProProductions>	doesnt seem like i can stay connected, strange, will stay off while I look into it, laters all :)