[00:01:18] 03(mod) OTRS Language translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14927 (10meno25wiki) [00:10:24] l [00:19:08] Idle wish of the day: ExtensionDistributor made to work beyond mw.org. [00:20:13] Urgent wish of the day: Stop these ****ing thumbnail errors! [00:36:20] 03(FIXED) Special page to edit interwiki table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 +comment (10plmoell) [00:39:14] 03demon * r38051 10/trunk/extensions/InstantCommons/OBSOLETE: Mark as obsolete in lieu of ForeignAPIRepo. [00:45:46] a lizard popped out [00:45:50] oops wc [00:50:17] I give up [01:36:58] 03tstarling * r38052 10/trunk/php/wmerrors/ (package2.xml wmerrors.c): [01:36:58] On x86_64, va_copy() needs to be used to copy a va_list, otherwise the element [01:36:58] pointer is left past the end by vspprintf(), causing a segfault in php_error_cb. [01:36:58] The bug is not present on i386 which is why I didn't notice it until now. [02:34:11] 03demon * r38053 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: One less step and potentially one less query if the number is already set. [02:40:06] *^demon waves to Splarka [02:40:51] rar [02:46:00] *^demon dances [02:49:39] :o [02:49:42] it's chad! [02:56:18] <^demon> That it is :-) [02:56:34] is there any documentation on using the mediawiki db abstraction class ? [02:57:42] <^demon> exobuzz: All the methods are pretty well documented on http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ [02:59:21] 03demon * r38054 10/trunk/extensions/SubstAll/ (. README SubstAll.i18n.php SubstAll.php): Basic implementation of a tag. [02:59:21] also, say i wanted to share some data between mediawiki and another app (a small table of information), but both applications have their own database layers, what would you consider the best way. roll my own very simple class which handles its own database connection, or use the db code in each application (more work) [02:59:22] ? [02:59:33] <^demon> \o/ [02:59:49] <^demon> I love r38054 :-) [02:59:54] :) [03:00:02] what is substall ? [03:00:43] 03(FIXED) {{substall:foo}} beside {{subst:bar}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2777 +comment (10innocentkiller) [03:00:58] <^demon> It's like Subst: for templates, only it fully recursively substitutes them, including all sub-templates. Kinda like the ExpandTemplates specialpage. [03:01:05] aah k [03:01:19] how about magic words, parser functions? [03:01:47] {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}} [03:02:02] <^demon> It's done on page-save, rather than on parse. [03:02:39] yes, but on recursed sub-templates [03:02:43] <^demon> It only goes through preprocessing, just like ExpandTemplates. [03:02:58] does it subst just sub-sub templates or also magic words and parser functions? [03:03:08] <^demon> Magic words + Parserfuncs too. [03:03:14] k [03:03:20] Is the parsing of pages done strictly from top to bottom? [03:03:34] <^demon> Splarka: Try it out if you'd like. [03:04:28] if(busy && lazy) nah [03:04:41] <^demon> else die(); [03:09:06] 03(mod) Regression in HTML normalization in 1.6 (unclosed
  • ) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5497 +testme (10innocentkiller) [03:18:54] shouldn't it be called for consistency with the special page? [03:21:23] <^demon> darkcode: You can tweak substall-hook if you'd like ;-) [04:20:22] hi [04:20:26] I'm working on my wiki [04:20:30] and I want /wiki [04:20:37] to redirect to /wiki/index.php [04:20:43] how can I do that? [04:20:57] !shorturl | Bernstein229 [04:20:57] --mwbot-- Bernstein229: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [04:21:00] no [04:21:03] thats not what I want [04:21:10] when I type [04:21:17] it gives me a blank page [04:21:26] I want it to go to /wiki/index.php [04:21:28] not a short url [04:22:08] I looked on the FAq [04:22:13] and it said nothing about that [04:22:49] well? [04:23:43] is anyone on? [04:27:05] !rewriteproblem [04:27:05] --mwbot-- 1) Try as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root. [04:29:18] hello? [04:32:07] Maybe you need a specific alias for it? /wiki isn't /wiki/ after all [04:32:15] oh [04:32:25] well [04:32:28] I tryed /wiki/ [04:32:33] and it still appeared blank [04:32:42] It really depends how you have set up the short name which is why people are asking you about it. [04:32:53] but I didn't set up a shrot url [04:32:54] short [04:33:03] Well, what *did* you set up? [04:33:07] nothing [04:33:16] Do you have the files installed in a directory called /wiki/ rather than /w/ ? [04:33:29] the files are in /wiki/ [04:33:30] not [04:33:42] "/w/" [04:33:54] let me restate my question [04:34:06] When I go to [04:34:10] mywebsite.com/wiki [04:34:14] wait [04:34:19] mywebsite.com/wiki/ [04:34:26] I get a blank page [04:34:29] however [04:34:39] when I got to mywebsite.com/wiki/index.php5 [04:34:45] it takes me to my home page [04:34:51] my "main page" [04:34:53] if you will [04:34:58] I want just [04:35:15] mywebsite.com/wiki/ [04:35:21] to go to my main page [04:35:30] OK. That might be because you have not set up a rule to say "if it tries to display the directory, display index.php5 in that directory instead" [04:35:43] ahh [04:35:46] how do I do that? [04:36:57] The general recommendation is not to put it in a directory called /wiki/ but to place it in one called /w/ and to follow one of the "short URL" methods to redirect /wiki/ to /w/ behind the scenes. However, if you do not have access or wish the files to be in that location . . . hmm [04:37:07] well [04:37:08] What access do you have to that server? [04:37:11] I once tryed [04:37:14] to do a short url [04:37:19] and it really screwed up [04:37:20] my wiki [04:37:23] and I had to reinstall it [04:37:59] I have root access [04:38:39] should I try short url again? [04:39:12] I would give it a go and follow one the "recommended how-to guyde" [04:39:16] ok [04:39:19] but I think [04:39:22] I'll go with [04:39:24] the non-root [04:39:26] access one [04:39:28] just in case [04:39:32] Fair enough. [04:39:42] brb [04:39:50] mostly because I'm tired and don't know enough about web servers, and I don't know that anone here is able to help you right now. :-) [04:40:47] thx [04:41:17] also [04:41:22] I'm looking at this guide [04:41:26] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_Both_no_root_and_root_access [04:41:38] and it says to put .httaccess [04:41:44] inside a .html file? [04:41:54] oh [04:41:55] nvm [04:42:37] wait [04:42:48] do I put .htaccess in "/w/"? [04:43:06] or in my home directory? [04:44:06] I think that would have to be in the / as it appears to the web, because it wouldn't be able to affect things "below" it [04:44:20] (Or, put it inside httpd.conf) [04:44:41] "Take note of your DocumentRoot. Which is /home/johndoe/public_html in this example. Add to /home/johndoe/public_html/.htaccess or to httpd.conf:" [04:44:53] oh [04:44:53] ok [04:45:37] also [04:45:42] if I use .htaccess [04:45:49] do I have to restart apache? [04:45:55] or is it just for http.conf? [04:46:01] httpd.conf [04:47:16] I *think* just for the httpd.conf [04:47:37] You could try putting in something that totally rewrites everything to one place and see if it works. [04:48:21] ok [04:48:30] but I think I'll stay safe [04:50:06] just one more thing [04:50:13] I have to rename /wiki/ [04:50:16] to /w/" [04:50:22] right? [04:50:48] If you have it installed into /w/, yes. [04:51:03] well [04:51:04] If you had it in /mediawiki/ you'd do it slightly differently [04:51:07] I have it installed [04:51:09] to /wiki/ [04:51:13] should I rename it? [04:51:34] I think that's part of the problem, because you might not have $wgScriptPath and suchlike setup. [04:51:44] well [04:51:55] Im editing the localsetting.php [04:51:58] and [04:52:00] I would rename it, because everyone else will assume you have the defaults and otherwise people will get confused. :-) [04:52:04] I'm changing it to the guide [04:52:09] ok [04:54:20] ok [04:54:25] theres still a prblem [04:54:34] wait [04:54:49] ok [04:54:53] umm [04:54:56] now [04:55:01] when I go to /wiki/ [04:55:06] I still get a blank screen [04:55:08] and [04:55:21] when I go to "/wiki/index.php5 [04:55:27] I get a not found error [04:55:31] but [04:55:36] when I go to [04:55:43] "/w/ [04:55:51] it redirects me to Main Page [04:55:53] but I also [04:55:56] get not found error [04:56:04] I mean [04:56:13] when I go to "/w/index.php5 [04:56:24] wait [04:56:25] no [04:56:34] when I go to "/w/index.php5 [04:56:41] it takes me to /wiki/Main_Page [04:56:47] which says its not found [04:58:23] Nice. [04:58:26] lol [04:58:28] sorry [04:58:32] I'm just concerned [04:58:32] Umm. Anyone else here know what the heck's up? :-) [05:03:49] Hi, I'm ready to send my first commit in SVN, but I don't have account... [05:07:02] May I have one ? [05:07:14] highly doubt it, submit hte patch to bugzilla [05:10:50] :-( Yes, so, it's not very useful. Wait... [05:19:14] Can someone familiar with the Debian MediaWiki package help me out? I'm trying to understand the different between the Mediawiki way of installing extenstions and the Debian way.... [05:22:40] lymeca: different versions, install locations, etc [05:23:36] OverlordQ: Yes, but say I am interested in an extension which does not come in Debian's "mediawiki-extensions" package. [05:24:10] A good example would be OggHandler [05:24:30] Seeing the svn repo for this extention, there are many files: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ [05:24:53] Now I know of the Debian command "mwenext", but isn't that for simple .php extention files? [05:31:41] Oh, wait, more important question! [05:31:56] Upgrading to 1.12 just borked my wiki [05:32:00] help please [05:32:29] It says " Please set up the wiki first. " [05:33:33] Oh wow it did NOT just erase my LocalSettings.php [05:33:35] shite [05:34:12] personally I run version from MW svn and not bother with the deb package [05:34:27] OverlordQ : I generate a *.diff file, how to create patch with it ? [05:34:56] same thing [05:35:13] OverlordQ: I might want to do that. But what about my LocalSettings.php? [05:35:19] It's a 0-byte file now [05:35:22] Is the old one gone? [05:35:38] how'd you upgrade? [05:35:41] Actually now it's a link LocalSettings.php -> /var/lib/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php [05:36:00] Well I just upgraded to the latest lenny package which is at 1.12 [05:36:42] check in /var/lib/mediawiki for a LocalSettings.php.dpkg-old [05:37:26] Nope, just ANOTHER link!! [05:37:27] LocalSettings.php -> /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php [05:37:34] Why are there all these crazy links? [05:38:03] By the way there is no /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php [05:38:25] ayea [05:38:41] is there a /etc/mediawiki? [05:38:47] Yes [05:38:56] It has apache.conf and cherokee.conf [05:39:23] strange [05:39:52] Any suggestions or is it gone? [05:40:06] 03(NEW) maintenance/removeUnusedAccounts. php now not delete sysops and bureaucrats. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14929 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (plmoell) [05:40:41] shouldn't be gone, if you've made local edits it should have asked during upgrade if you wanted to replace/keep/diff/etc [05:40:44] hi [05:40:52] OverlordQ: That's what I would think! [05:40:54] I am creating a gallery on my wiki [05:41:00] and when I try to add [05:41:01] an image [05:41:08] I would have definitely noticed one of those messages about LocalSettings.php [05:41:12] it give me this in the photo "box" [05:41:13] try /var/lib/mediawiki [05:41:44] Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/convert: Unreconized option (-thumbnail). [05:42:12] OverlordQ : done. but I do mistake : "ignore", not "don't ignore". Can I edit that ? [05:42:35] OverlordQ: http://pastebin.ca/1083227 [05:42:40] well? [05:42:51] Bernstein229: most likely an old version of ImageMagick [05:43:02] what should I do? [05:43:12] LocalSettings.php in /var/lib/mediawiki is a symlink to /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php which does NOT exist [05:43:18] that's really really odd [05:43:35] I have no idea why Debian would package MediaWiki this way, with all of these crazy symlinks [05:43:50] Bernstein229: upgrade it, or are you using a shared host? [05:44:04] what do you mean by a shared host? [05:44:46] like godaddy, hostgator, 1and1 [05:44:48] etc [05:44:49] yes [05:44:53] I'm using godaddy [05:45:16] Bernstein229: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/137548?page=last [05:45:23] look at the last post, hopefully should fix [05:46:11] ugh this is ugly [05:46:21] OverlordQ: Do you use Debian packages for MySQL, PHP, and Apache? [05:46:21] Louperivois: ignore? [05:46:31] lymeca: yea [05:47:09] OverlordQ: Im tempted to go the svn route because this Mediawiki Debian package seems braindead with all of these symlinks everywhere [05:47:21] thx OverlordQ [05:47:24] it works now [05:47:33] I would just worry about integration with MySQL, PHP, and Apache I suppose. [05:47:48] OverlordQ : Yes. I just want to edit my comment in Bugzilla. Is it possible ? [05:48:10] Can't edit, but you can leave another comment [05:48:56] lymeca: works fine for me, short urls might not be cut and paste, but they work too [05:49:18] Did you see my patch ? And your doubt about me ;-) [05:49:38] OverlordQ: I use short URLs like Wikipedia, with site.org/wiki/Main_Page... what do you mean they might not be cut and paste? [05:51:04] 03(mod) maintenance/removeUnusedAccounts. php now not delete sysops and bureaucrats. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14929 (10plmoell) [05:51:20] I dont remember exactly lol. I've reinstalled a few times, I remember trying a few different guides [05:53:15] I think the recommended (wp style) guide works no problem [05:58:07] OverlordQ: Okay, so I'm switching from this broken Debian package method to 1.13.0rc1 [05:58:34] How do I correctly merge the data from my old installation over to the new one I have placed in /opt/mediawiki-1.13.0rc1 ? [05:58:54] what like your DB? [06:00:00] You need to run the update script in the maintenance folder. [06:00:30] best way is to make a backup of db just in case, move the files over (like any uploaded media) and then point the new install at the same db [06:00:37] ymmv [06:00:41] Right. And then php maintenance/update.php [06:14:24] hi guys [06:15:08] there is that option to change theme from the profile, but what if i want all the people who visit my site to have the same theme? i only want to have 1 (not the default one though) [06:17:18] I mean "skin". [06:20:00] !wg SkipSkins | Shaye [06:20:00] --mwbot-- Shaye: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSkipSkins [06:20:15] ops, skin not skins [06:20:35] The MediaWiki manual is . . . rather terse. :-) [06:21:11] though at least that one has an example. [06:21:38] i tried that... it doesn't say how to do what i want though [06:22:05] i just wanna change the site's default theme to a different one, so others who are even not members will see the same skin [06:22:24] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration [06:23:26] thank you [06:27:54] OverlordQ: I just dumped my DB with mysqldump and the resulting sql file is ~32MB... does this seem about right? It's not a very large wiki, but it has a few hundred pages. [06:28:12] I mean no images or uploaded files are in the DB, right? [06:28:19] Just article text, user info and the like? [06:28:24] No, they all reside in files. [06:28:37] Information *about* images (descriptions etc ) are in the DB [06:28:46] That is about right. [06:29:00] Especially if it's had a fair bit of editing and you haven't turned compression on. [06:29:54] OverlordQ: Okay I backed up the DB, and now I'm onto your step "move the files over" [06:31:37] GreenSleeper: : Is there an easy way to tell what files I should move? [06:31:46] ie. anything original or created by me? [06:31:58] And the uploaded files... [06:32:10] that, image dir, any new skins you've added [06:32:53] is there any place where u can download more mediawiki skins from? [i did try to search deeply this time but no luck] [06:33:28] ask Duesentrieb: I think he wrote a mediawiki backup script, he'd probably know what you need to move :) [06:34:08] *lymeca wonders if Duesentrieb is around.... [06:34:15] just joined :P [06:34:21] Aye [06:35:30] Duesentrieb: I'd love if you could answer a couple questions about migrating a MediaWiki installation. I was using a 1.12.0 Debian package until it just overwrote my LocalSettings.php upon upgrade. I'm very frustrated and I'm moving away from Debian's MediaWIki package and I downloaded 1.13.0rc1 which I untarred into /opt [06:37:01] I've made a backup of my DB, and am currently trying to figure out the correct things to move over from my old installation. Obviously LocalSettings.php is out, but I'm not familiar with the file heirarchy of MediaWiki to know which files/folders should be kept and which should be used from the 1.13.0rc1 tarball. [06:37:41] I think basically nothing that you haven't modified or created yourself. [06:37:44] OverlordQ: by the way, are all files uploaded into the images/ dir? [06:37:55] But of course, that could be a lot of things. :-) [06:38:37] That's confusing... okay so even video files, PDFs, Ogg Vorbis files and the like go in images/ ? [06:38:58] My new LocalSettings.php will probably use the config option to specify my own upload directory anyway [06:40:57] Yeah it looks like there are all sorts of files in images/ [06:40:58] weird [06:41:24] Yes, everything uploaded is considered an "image" :-) [06:51:20] OverlordQ: Okay so I told Apache to look at the new 1.13.0rc1 location, but when I try and access Main_Page it still says MediaWiki 1.12.0 [06:51:30] I cleared my cache too [06:52:00] did you run the update.php in the maintnence folder? [06:52:04] Oops! [06:52:06] Nope [06:52:11] How should I go about that? [06:52:30] Just type php update.php in the dir? [06:52:50] That should work [06:52:57] if you've setup AdminSettings.php [06:53:15] A copy of your installation's LocalSettings.php must exist and be readable in the source directory. [06:53:34] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maintenance_scripts [06:53:41] ironic... the reason this trouble started was because my LocalSettings.php got wiped =P [06:53:53] prolly want the symlink section [06:55:12] Wait I'm running the update.php in the 1.13.0rc1 directory right? [06:55:59] yes [06:56:18] after you've setup the wiki [06:57:49] OverlordQ: Oh, will update.php generate a new LocalSettings.php? [06:58:08] Or will I have to go through the web-based wiki setup process again to do that? [06:58:21] no, it needs the localsettings first [06:58:41] Oh, so I can't run update.php yet? [06:58:42] but if you dont have one you shouldn't get a wiki page in the first place :-/ [06:58:59] I'm sorry I guess I'm confused on the order [06:59:37] ok, so you've installed rc1? and pointed apache at it? [06:59:41] yes [06:59:51] and when you pull it up, you get . . .? [07:00:00] guys can u recommend on a good mediawiki place to get skins? [07:00:21] update.php checks that my DB will be okay with the new MediaWiki, but it needs LocalSettings.php to function? [07:00:28] OverlordQ: https://hampedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [07:00:46] that's odd [07:01:13] Should I comment out the Apache things to get short URLs? [07:01:19] Is that the issue? [07:01:23] probably be best [07:01:29] until it's running normally [07:01:47] Oh wait [07:01:52] It's the old location! [07:01:52] Alias /wiki /usr/share/mediawiki/index.php/ [07:01:56] d'oh [07:02:02] heh :) [07:02:04] that'll do it [07:03:34] Yay now it says MediaWiki 1.13.0rc1 [07:03:52] lymeca: to clarify: to upgrade, you can *either* rerun the installer (by deleting/moving LocalSettings.php) which will create a fresh LocalSettings.php. *Or* you run update.php using the old LocalSettings.php and AdminSettings.php. [07:03:53] Okay so... should I do "set up the wiki first" to generate LocalSettings.php, and THEN run update.php? [07:04:27] Duesentrieb: Unfortunately the Debian package upgrade wiped my LocalSettings.php, and probably my AdminSettings.php too I haven't checked [07:04:43] That's why I'm escaping the Debian package and using the 1.13.0rc1 tarball [07:04:49] lymeca: hit the package mainteainer with a cluebat, then [07:05:00] lymeca: 3rd party packages are not supported. [07:05:07] Yeah I'm getting the hell out [07:05:18] I'm sticking with the 1.13.0rc1 tarball from now on [07:05:34] I'm just trying to migrate successfully and set up my old wiki on the MW tarball [07:05:39] distrib packages for webapps usually suck badly, because the linux folks can't get their head around the fact that webapps work differently [07:05:40] I'm almost there... I think [07:06:08] Duesentrieb: Yeah the Debian MW package was INSANE... there were like two layers of symlinks for all config files pointing to nothing [07:06:20] And extensions worked sooo weirdly [07:06:26] lymeca: well, if you don't have a localsettings.php in the dir, just visit the dir with your browser. the installer will start automatically. make sure you provide the correct info for connecting to the existing database. do not provide a root password. that should do the trick. [07:06:34] something is eating a / [07:06:49] https://hampedia.org/wikiconfig/index.php should be a / in there between wiki and config [07:07:13] indeed [07:07:42] Duesentrieb: Okay so I generate the LocalSettings.php using the web-based installer and THEN I run update.php to ensure the DB is good to go for 1.13.0rc1? [07:07:52] Oh, let me fix that, probably an Apache thing [07:08:04] no. if you used the web based installer, you don'??t need to run update.php [07:08:12] (the installer runs that automatically) [07:08:26] Oh, interesting! [07:08:30] you only run update.php by hand if you don't want to regenerate localsettings, and thus don't use the web-based installer [07:08:30] That's handy. [07:08:37] it's all in the manual :) [07:08:39] !upgrade [07:08:39] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [07:08:47] Well I *need* to regenerate LocalSettings.php [07:08:53] then do that [07:11:09] Okay hmm, so I got rid of the Alias for short URLs [07:11:26] But now I don't know how to access the config process [07:11:44] I had /wiki/Main_Page hardcoded into my index.html [07:13:18] 03(mod) Redirect images without deleting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14928 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [07:13:33] I think while I was installing and didn't have the short urls setup yet I just created a symlink in the document root to where mediawiki was installed to [07:14:09] I don't quite understand that [07:14:13] But I found it: https://hampedia.org/index.php [07:14:47] lymeca: ugh... you have the wiki files in the document root? [07:14:51] lymeca: don't do that... [07:14:57] Erm... [07:14:58] it *will* read to trouble [07:15:24] mapping pages to the doc root is bad. having the files there is worse :) [07:15:51] Okay, so what do I do then? mkdir wiki ; mv * wiki ? [07:15:56] Except for index.html ? [07:16:20] mkdir w; mv * w [07:16:27] if you're going to follow the suggest shorturl scheme later [07:16:31] *suggested [07:17:57] Okay so that's right to have EVERYTHING in w/ except for index.html and associated files? [07:18:36] lymeca: all wiki files go into w/ - what you doelsewhere is up to you :) [07:18:51] lymeca: you don't *need* an index.html if you don't want it :) [07:20:42] Okay, I see, I see... I do want an index.html though so [07:21:22] 03(NEW) Click edit on this page but edit another page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14930 major; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (vinhtantran) [07:23:10] lymeca: one more good reason to keep stuff separate [07:23:42] Right, I imagine it will make handling my index pages (which can change frequently) easier to deal with. [07:23:50] I kinda use a bastardization of the 'reccommended' guide [07:24:18] Man am I feeling good about doing this all, the Debian-way is braindead. I love Debian and all, and I'm still glad I'm using it, but that mediawiki package... ugh [07:25:06] 03(mod) Autoconfirmed on all projects for global usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13521 +comment (10daniel) [07:26:18] Duesentrieb: https://hampedia.org/w/index.php [07:26:25] Problem! [07:27:37] Oh [07:27:49] Restarting Apache fixed it... weird. I guess I'll never know. [07:28:05] Finally, on to LocalSettings.php generation! [07:28:56] hey guys [07:30:00] lymeca: about packages... yea, same here. i use ubuntu and debian, and use package management for everything... except web apps. because they tweist them badly. trying to fit them into their sschema for daemons or something. it's silly. [07:30:15] i just run latest mediawiki svn and i observed that after installing it with choosing binary as database collation format all the tables were created correctly but the default character set was still latin1_swedish_ci - is this a bug or a feature? [07:30:46] josch: it's a mysql oddness. [07:31:03] yea, like all the data files go into /usr/share or some nonsense and everything else is symlinked to fit [07:31:14] josch: the *collation* is latin1_swedish_ci while the charset is binary. or at least that's how i understoodd it. don't worry about it. [07:31:28] ;) [07:31:32] OverlordQ: yes... and config files get muddeled into /etc [07:31:44] well the reason i worry is that i imported wikipedia dumps and [07:31:51] those sql dumps recreate tables [07:32:03] josch: uh... [07:32:08] you can imagine how long i searched to get thie charset error fixed... [07:32:16] you should NOT import sql dumps from wikipedia into a wiki installation [07:32:23] why not? [07:32:31] because it doesn't make sense? [07:32:38] hrm... why? [07:32:43] content is not even available as sql [07:32:51] only selected tables [07:32:51] it is as xml [07:33:02] i speak about categorylinks, pagelinks, interwiki tables [07:33:06] uh... but xml does not mess with your database layout. ever [07:33:12] err. [07:33:14] yes the xml import is fine [07:33:19] right. [07:33:28] and then you import the sql dumps of the link tables separatly? [07:33:36] right [07:33:44] ugh... well, i guess you can... but i would be scared :) [07:33:58] well it works if i edit the sql dump manually [07:34:02] if you want to be sure to have a consistent and working database, just regenerate the link tables from the content [07:34:02] 03jeluf * r38055 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: Support KML overlays [07:34:06] that does take a while [07:34:08] so that the tables get created with bianry charset [07:34:22] Duesentrieb: I'd like to change the name of my DB. Is this a bad idea? It has the name hcficomwiki which is for multiple reasons undesirable. My fears stem from the tables in the DB: all of them start with hcficom [07:34:22] Duesentrieb, importing sql is much faster [07:34:31] josch: yes, and much scarier :) [07:34:37] hey it works ^^ [07:34:37] josch: and probably not 100% consistent [07:34:44] good for you, then :) [07:34:47] dont know about that but [07:34:56] josch: is that a public mirror you are running? [07:35:05] no [07:35:14] it's an offline wikipedia dump for embedded devices [07:35:34] lymeca: database name and table prfixes are unrelated. [07:35:34] http://mokopedia.mister-muffin.de [07:35:42] Duesentrieb: If I change the DB name, will all those tables stay the same? If so, can MediaWiki intelligently use the weirdly-named tables? is there any way to change the table names? [07:35:55] OKay then just my last question is relvant [07:36:10] the thing i care about now is that i think that the default database should be altered too on installation - so that tables are recreated the same way as the old ones as binary charset [07:36:20] i dont think this is hard to fix but [07:36:27] lymeca: well... first of all, do *not* change that stuff around while upgrading. do it before or after, but not a t the same time [07:36:28] i ask myself wether this is wished for [07:36:53] josch: just use the same settings as wikimedia then? [07:37:07] i do [07:37:15] Duesentrieb: Got it. Good idea. Once it's set up and upgraded, it's just a change in LocalSettings.php, right? [07:37:19] then you should not have to mess with the declaration [07:37:23] i set the table charset to binary [07:37:38] okay... let me explain again [07:37:55] lymeca: well, no. if you just change localsettings, mediawiki will look for the database elsewhere. you would have to actually rename it in mysql. [07:37:56] Duesentrieb: There is one thing that arguably SHOULD be changed though... the DB is accessed using the MySQL root username. Perhaps I should change that and make it a less-priveledged MySQL user? [07:38:06] lymeca: renaming tables in mysql is simple enough, look at the manual. [07:38:23] lymeca: reanming databases is not so easy, however. not sure it's really possible. [07:38:33] Duesentrieb: That's what I meant. I meant 1) upgrade MediaWiki, 2) rename DB and table prefixes, and 3) alter LocalSettings.php accordingly [07:38:36] i create a new mediawiki database, set charset to binary and stuff and everything is created fine as binary tables. but the thing is that the installer does not change the default charset for the database to binary and i consider this a bug [07:38:41] Ah I see. [07:38:48] lymeca: basically, mediawiki knows a database name and a table prefix. if you change either, make sure you rename whatever in mysql accordingly [07:38:57] lymeca: and before you do anything: backup, backup, backup... [07:38:59] !backup [07:38:59] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [07:39:51] josch: since the charset is specified for each field individually anyway, it shouldn't matter. but if you think it's a bug, file a bug report- [07:40:49] Duesentrieb: Are both the DB name and table prefix defined in LocalSettings.php? [07:41:07] Duesentrieb, okay thanks - just wanted to talk about here before i pollute the bugtracker with this stuff ;) [07:41:33] josch: search first of something like that is already there. [07:41:41] okay will do [07:41:43] josch: if you like, also search the mailing list archives [07:41:52] !config | lymeca [07:41:52] --mwbot-- lymeca: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and [07:42:47] Duesentrieb, hell if you could imagine how long i already searched mailinglists and such to fix my initial error with the default charset ;) [07:45:33] heh [07:47:00] josch: well, "the" place would be: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/mmsearch/mediawiki-l [07:47:16] resp https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/mmsearch/mediawiki-l?config=mediawiki-l&restrict=&exclude=&method=and&format=short&sort=score&words=character [07:48:52] hrm... this bug sounds more like the thing i obsereved (also created a db as root): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 [07:49:18] but instead of utf8 it should be whatever was selected before (utf8, binary...) [08:00:06] 03(NEW) default database charset is not altered on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14931 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (j.schauer) [08:00:14] Duesentrieb, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14931 [08:00:55] ah... [08:01:06] i forgot about this bot ;) [08:09:34] Duesentrieb: Okay so my primary authentication was previously done via LDAP using the LDAP auth extension. However, I did have a smaller amount of local usernames for admins and special users. [08:10:11] Now I'm aware that all LDAP authentication is specific to the remote LDAP server and no usernames/passwords are stored by MW or in MySQL [08:12:07] But what about the few amount of Local names I had before? They are still in the DB, and in doing this inital setup I would like to specify my old admin name and pw. Will mediaWiki automatically detect the preexisting DB and know not to mess with anything? [08:16:54] lymeca: it will detect and update the existing db. i think if a database exists, the initial user stuff is ignored. or maybe another user is created if you provide a different user name, not sure about that [08:17:27] it would be nice if the installer would be split into multiple steps, and would tell you if a database was detected and how it will be handled. but we don't have that yet [08:18:55] Duesentrieb: Okay should I leave the admin user info empty then and just let it work with the DB? [08:19:05] grr I swear there was a page that said using decimals for a block expiry was a Bad Idea(tm) but I can't seem to find it anymore [08:19:21] lymeca: yea, try that. if it complains, just provide the amin name and password again as before [08:23:09] Is there anyway to display the number of pages in a sub-category on a category page? [08:24:13] reddo: using the CategoryTree extension, this information is shown starting with the 1.13 release. so you'll have to wait a couple of weeks :) check wikipedia for a preview. [08:25:01] reddo: note that per default, it shous the number of sub-categories in the sub-category. but this can be changed by editing a system message [08:25:09] *shows [08:25:29] hover over the number on wikipedia to get details [08:25:52] 03(mod) Can't log in without logging out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14447 normal->high; +comment (10maxsem.wiki) [08:26:19] thanks for all your help, I knew that it could display the number of sub categories but I didn't know that it could show the number of pages [08:26:42] do you know what that system message needs changing? [08:28:18] reddo: MediaWiki:Categorytree-member-num [08:28:48] thanks [08:28:50] reddo: total content count is $4, total number of "normal" is $2 [08:29:06] default is $5 meaning "number of whatever is shown in the category tree" [08:29:14] which is the number of subcategories in this context [08:29:41] I appreciate the help [08:29:49] np :) [08:30:23] Can i make Weblinks without "nofollow"? [08:31:06] global nofollow, but several links follow [08:31:15] CorneliusWasmund: yu can set $wgNoFollowLinks = false; globally [08:31:25] CorneliusWasmund: other than that, you can use interwiki links (not only for wikis) [08:31:30] they don't get nofollow, afaik [08:33:13] CorneliusWasmund: there'S $wgNoFollowNsExceptions so nofollow is not set in some namespaces. i din'??t think it's possible to whitelist dimaons or something [08:33:33] Duesentrieb: thank you [08:33:52] dimaons? [08:37:02] What is the opposite of chomp in programming languages? [08:37:21] Duesentrieb: what are you mean with dimaons? [08:38:33] domains [08:38:51] Duesentrieb tlask ni agnmasra [08:40:48] is it possible to have additive colors on css? [08:42:33] I would like on the side http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Josm_editor that the line under the "Editor / Fenster" away and a line under "erste Schritte" . [08:42:37] Can I ask a help [08:42:42] Nikerabbit: Pathoschild says, "Colour addition/mixing? No, you can only explicitly assign the color values." [08:42:43] 03ialex * r38056 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (SpecialRecentchanges.php SpecialRecentchangeslinked.php): $res is a ResultWrapper object [08:43:09] sure ya can, sorta [08:43:27] with opacity, and with png alpha transparency [08:43:35] just won't work in all browsers [08:45:13] Pathoschild wonders, "CSS3, or nonstandard?" [08:45:18] and when it does, possibly not reliably [08:45:49] well, with PNG transparency, or even gif transparency, CSS 1 ^_^ [08:46:21] but would be IE7+ or Mozilla or new opera/safari [08:48:24] Nikerabbit: anyway, you can use a combination of CSS3 and nonstandard to work in quite a few browsers, if it isn't critical. If it is critical, you can use background-image and png with alpha transparency [08:49:05] Splarka: Pathoschild says that's not CSS, that's cheating. :P [08:49:13] it is CSS [08:49:16] using background-image [08:49:32] can't Pathoschild speak for himself? [08:49:59] heh [08:50:08] Splarka: I'm on his computer. [08:51:06] nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa shanel desu ! [08:51:13] *DarkoNeko jumps on shanel's lap [08:51:23] :D [08:51:31] 03(mod) default database charset is not altered on creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14931 +comment (10overlordq) [08:51:34] *Shanel gratgrat DarkoNeko [08:51:47] *DarkoNeko purrrrs [08:53:13] has somebody an idea for my problem, that looks like a Tab [08:53:16] sample like here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM_Benutzerhandbuch [08:54:25] I do not reach on this side http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Josm_editor [08:56:51] Splarka: not really [08:59:25] Nikerabbit: which? [08:59:32] http://p.defau.lt/?coL5hQ2T9pqmQYCkxIEQDg try these [09:08:38] Splarka I thought it would have been for me :-) [09:09:36] Kosmo: Nikerabbit asked for a silly thing ^_^ [09:09:44] Nikerabbit: http://p.defau.lt/?TIhodCqwIFxcRemtNz7eTg here is a gif example too, but it sucks [09:12:38] Duesentrieb: I've completed the config script succesfully, and it seems the DB is being read okay... but I'm getting LOADS of XCache errors! [09:12:51] Warning: xcache_get() [function.xcache-get]: xcache.var_size is either 0 or too small to enable var data caching in /opt/mediawiki-1.13.0rc1/w/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 607 [09:25:56] okay maybe next time or i finded out [09:26:22] goodbye [09:30:52] german wikipedia seems to be having issues [09:30:57] while others are working fine [09:35:22] Hi, when I tried to edit this page (http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B2%E0%B5%82%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%BF_%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%B0%E0%B5%8D%E2%80%8D) I am getting Egypt page (http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) [09:37:45] History page don't mach with the content of the article [09:50:18] 03jeluf * r38057 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: Need to escape %, too [10:55:44] 03(NEW) "Phase" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14932 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (roger.newnham) [10:57:12] 03(mod) "Phase" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14932 +comment (10minuteelectron) [10:57:22] 03(NEW) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (nospam) [11:05:40] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 normal->highest (10nospam) [11:11:29] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 (10herd) [11:16:41] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 summary; +comment (10nospam) [11:19:30] hmm [11:20:57] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [11:28:26] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 (10JSchulz_4587) [11:35:48] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 (10daniel) [11:36:07] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 (10JSchulz_4587) [11:50:41] 03(NEW) TorBlock-Extension generates false positives - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14934 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AdvancedRandom; (gnu1742) [11:51:11] OverlordQ, hi! you postet a follow up in my bugreport https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14931 - can you quickly explain what you mean? [11:54:23] anyone familiar with the mediawiki database? [11:55:44] just wondering if externallinks only contain links from current revisions, or old ones as well [11:58:05] I have a big problem with ploading images. I uploaded my complete images folder from my localhost to the server, now when I try to upload I get internal errors like Could not create directory "public/0/0d". [11:58:33] It works when I give write permission for these folders but there are hundereds of them :O [11:59:00] and it looks liek I can't change the permission for folders like "0" [11:59:07] Subfader: set permissions on the main directory, with chmod -R [11:59:48] ah ok via command line. I used Server interface [12:00:03] oh, what os? [12:03:54] yes Linux. but with Plesk admin interface [12:07:18] Subfader: don't do that, then :) [12:07:30] Subfader: on the command line, you can simply use chmod -R or chown -R, respectively [12:08:10] bjelleklang: all link tables only apply to current revisions. [12:09:51] hello [12:09:55] ok I cd'ed the images directory httpdocs/images # chmod -R >> chmod: missing operand [12:09:58] ah, good to know [12:10:05] what happens with older revisions? [12:10:15] just kept as text? [12:11:22] Subfader: use chmod -R , and then the image folde [12:11:46] alright [12:11:46] for chown you use chown -R image dir [12:12:00] owner/group should be set to the user running the webserver [12:13:01] also try man :P [12:14:15] alright set 777 and it seems to work. thanks guys :) [12:14:59] Subfader: don't use 777... [12:15:09] it is a fact: 777 is more evil than 666 :D [12:15:20] if chown is set correctly, you should be ok with 755 [12:15:33] Subfader: setting everything to world writable, and all uploads to executable, is probably a bad idea [12:15:37] ok just thought 777 gives full control so no worries with errors. but maybe with hacks? [12:15:50] yep. [12:16:05] especially if you are not alon on the server. [12:16:15] not only with hacks - not giving everyone every permission also prevents local services on your server to tinker around with your data [12:16:20] so 775 for r,w ? [12:16:21] but even if you are, it's a bit scary :) [12:16:35] Subfader: if someone find a way to get a serverside script onto the server through upload in mw, they are free to execute it.. [12:16:47] well, you usually want the exdecutable bit set for all dirs, but no files [12:17:03] and stuff must be writable by the php user - not by everyone, if that can be avoided [12:17:11] mhm [12:17:12] that means you will have to set ownership correctly too. [12:17:24] so set the php user with chown and the rights with chmod [12:17:32] yes [12:17:43] oh, and the apache user must have the right to read [12:17:55] but you can have it world readable (and for dirs, world executable) anyway [12:17:56] woot! :D [12:17:56] for this 755 is enough [12:18:26] ok so only chmod -R 775 or also some chown ? [12:18:29] make it writeable by you and readable (but not executeable) by everyone [12:18:35] Subfader, both [12:18:37] Duesentrieb: how are external links from old revisions stored? just as part of the article text? [12:18:42] writable by php - that' [12:18:42] chown to your user and chmod to 755 [12:18:51] that's your user id, or apaches, depending on your setup [12:18:59] bjelleklang: yes. [12:19:03] ok, thanks :) [12:19:07] in most cases apache's [12:19:25] but "chown who"? i have no clue :( [12:19:25] josch: in most cases of shared hosting, *not* apaches. [12:19:40] huh... /me is used to rootservers ;) [12:19:40] i need clear commands from you :D [12:19:53] josch: modphp -> apaches id. suphp -> your id. [12:20:09] reasonable [12:20:10] Subfader: depends on your setup. can't tell from here :) [12:20:25] josch: well, it's more like "the reason suphp exists" :) [12:20:59] Subfader, maybe you tell us what user created the contents of the config dir [12:21:10] this should be the same that should have write access [12:21:28] ah ok Subfader user Id 1 [12:21:47] Subfader: no names? you have an odd system [12:21:59] also, that would just be the user who installed it [12:22:06] who created LocalSettings.php? [12:22:23] ok i guess you mean my root account? [12:22:50] Subfader: do a "ls -al | grep Local" in the mediawiki directory [12:23:03] that should list Localsettings.php with owner and group [12:23:53] -rw-rw-rw- 1 wwwrun www 8319 Jul 25 21:36 LocalSettings.php [12:24:31] the user is wwwrun [12:24:36] the group www [12:24:38] so do this: [12:24:48] chown -R wwwrun:www yourfolder [12:25:26] this recursively sets user and group accordingly to what is used in your setup [12:26:25] phew! works [12:26:36] ;) [12:27:35] so this is the normal way when someone just uploads the images folder from another place? makes sense now [12:28:15] i hope you learned something useful about *nix conventions today ^^ [12:28:57] Subfader: remember that most, if not all commands have manual pages [12:29:04] just type man [12:29:31] they give you all the information you need on parameters and how the command works [12:29:49] well but i assume that the chmod man is not particularly useful for newbies :( [12:30:12] yep :) all permissions are set rwx rwx r-x for images/ and its subfolders now [12:30:15] true [12:30:54] Subfader, not good [12:30:57] ah [12:31:02] the folder [12:31:06] okay this is right [12:31:08] still x for everyone? [12:31:14] x for folders [12:31:21] yep [12:32:13] just uploaded an image. the file has rw- r-- r-- [12:32:36] great [12:32:44] indeed :) [12:55:49] 03(FIXED) Wikimedia redirect tables are missing many entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 +comment (10lejonel) [12:56:52] g'dday./ [12:57:08] i've just finished an upgrade to 1.13rc because iw as interested in testing the image moving capabilities. [12:57:20] but now, all my Image: URLs are failing. [12:57:27] thumbnails and embedded images are fine. [12:57:42] did you run the updater? [12:57:46] yes, via the cmdline. [12:57:57] what error message do you get? [12:57:59] http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/Elite_Entertainment%2C_Inc. [12:58:02] i don't. white page. [12:58:06] *Morbus checks erorr log. [12:58:39] Call to undefined method PPTemplateFrame_DOM::splitBraceNode() [12:58:50] o_O [12:59:04] fun, right? ;) [12:59:16] oh. [12:59:18] hrm. [12:59:24] this is in ParserFunctions.php. [12:59:31] update extensions [12:59:33] i thought that hadn't been updated in years. [12:59:39] *Morbus goes to run svn update. [13:00:00] yep, that was it. [13:00:02] thankee [13:00:12] :) [13:00:29] hrm. [13:00:40] isnt' there supposed to be a Move or rename file tab on images now ?;) [13:00:56] might be that it's off per default [13:01:03] the docs said it was on by default. [13:01:08] $wgAllowImageMoving = true; [13:01:24] well, my default settings sais $wgAllowImageMoving = false; :) [13:01:34] "* Image redirects are now enabled by default" [13:01:39] in the email tim sent out. [13:01:42] he lies! ;) [13:01:49] check what your DefaultSettings sais [13:01:52] i'm not quite in sync [13:01:56] i will in a sec. [13:01:58] still svn updating. [13:02:18] i still have $wgAllowImageMoving = false; after svn up though :) [13:03:32] yep, false here [13:03:56] oh, also. [13:04:08] check my URL above again - i'm getting noincludes in the footer. [13:04:18] still gotta look into that [13:05:13] 03aaron * r38058 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Commit feedback schema [13:06:08] awesome. [13:06:12] image renaming worked beautifully [13:06:21] one of my most needed features. [13:07:10] ah, as for the footer links... [13:07:22] i had modified the default messages for those to be nothing - no value. [13:07:31] but it kept resetting back to the default apparently, so i had used as a cheat [13:07:38] which doesn't work now, obviously ;) [13:09:38] is there anyway to find a list of pages that currently link to a redirect? [13:10:26] sure - go to the redirect page and click "what links here" [13:10:36] yeah, i was hoping for a Special page that listed them *all*. [13:10:44] :) [13:10:47] ah. uh... [13:10:52] no idea if that exists [13:10:56] easy enough in the database :) [13:11:04] oh? [13:11:05] especiallly with a working redirect table [13:11:38] sure... just join pagelinks to page where page_is_redirect [13:12:52] select p.namespace, p.title from page as p join page_links on pl_from = p.id join page as q on q.namespace = pl.namespace and q.title = pl.title where q.page_is_redirect = 1 [13:13:05] (or something like that) [13:13:10] anyway, gotta go now [13:13:12] bbl [13:13:50] ciao, thanks for the help. [13:14:02] you can also use the class all redirect links have, and go random page hopping [13:15:06] .mw-redirect {background-color: #ffff00;} or something [13:22:24] wow. ok. [13:22:36] so, I don't want the "About [site]" to show up in the footer. I'd like to do this without modifying the template. [13:22:52] what would I enter into MediaWiki:Aboutsite to stop it? [13:23:06] in 1.11, i could do . but that doesn't work in 1.13rc [13:23:56] looks like I can do   [13:24:09] but naturally, that just makes an instead. [13:24:12] which isn't entirely right either. [13:30:14] Eh? '-' should work either there or it might be in MediaWiki:Aboutpage but I thought the other was MediaWiki:About [13:31:23] hrm. where did - come from? that's the first i've heard of it. [13:31:49] - doesn't work for MediaWiki:Copyright [13:32:41] worked for aboutsite, privacy, and disclaimer though. woot. [13:35:32] hello [13:37:41] Dantman: great tip, thanks. [14:02:18] what's the param to view a page without the cache? [14:13:07] i'm trying to change some extension parameters around (in the source itself; it's my extension), and have forgoteen how to view a particular page without the cache. [14:16:07] found it. [14:19:12] hmm, what's wrong with this typedef in C++? [14:19:14] typedef AFPData(*AFPFunction)(AFPData,AFPData); [14:19:20] AFPData is a class [14:19:38] I want a typedef for a function called AFPFunction, which accepts two AFPDatas [14:22:47] never mind, stupid error with the order of header inclusions [14:24:20] 04(REOPENED) Make UI easier with diff-only preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14581 +comment (10pbirken) [14:38:13] hey VasilievVV [14:38:21] VasilievVV: so your parser is now 10,000 times faster [14:38:27] reimplemented in C++ [14:38:31] hi Werdna [14:38:55] In C? [14:39:18] As PHP module or standalone application? [14:39:36] standalone. [14:39:45] it's not properly done yet, though. [14:39:50] Still have to do functions and keywords [14:39:54] and I need to put a front-end on it [14:40:00] I'm just testing with a rudimentary script [14:41:22] And how are you going to pass arguments to it? [14:41:40] presumably on stdio [14:41:57] temporary files, perhaps [14:42:02] And what about cross-platform compatibility? [14:43:39] they can use the old parser. [14:43:47] as in your one. [14:44:12] ... or compile the code from source. it's completely cross-platform code. [14:44:36] *VasilievVV will check it under Windows [14:45:15] stupid thing. [14:45:17] it's hanging [14:46:32] Werdna, when this will be done? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/dev [14:46:54] soon [14:47:00] when it's done :) [14:47:33] http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=Sandbox_translate&uselang=fi bwahahaha [14:47:57] *alnokta3 doesn't like this answer and likes it [14:48:17] hi Nikerabbit [14:48:36] alnokta2: you coulnd not get another answer from a volunteer developer :) [14:49:14] Nikerabbit: is it that visual diff stuff? [14:49:19] gah, exceptions [14:49:22] VasilievVV: nope [14:49:28] VasilievVV, true ;) [14:49:48] Werdna: exceptions in C++? I thought there only segfaults and kernel panics [14:50:35] of course there are exceptions [14:50:51] The error messages are just more cryptic [14:50:52] afparser.cpp:68: error: invalid conversion from ??????char?????? to ??????const char*?????? [14:50:55] afparser.cpp:68: error: initialising argument 1 of ??????std::basic_string<_CharT, _Traits, _Alloc>::basic_string(const _CharT*, const _Alloc&) [with _CharT = char, _Traits = std::char_traits, _Alloc = std::allocator]?????? [14:51:25] I thought that was called "parsing errors" [14:52:07] hehe [14:52:09] Nikerabbit, i don't understand that [14:52:13] that is parsing [14:52:45] Okay, seems functions are working [14:52:49] once I actually install some [14:53:11] alnokta3: which one? [14:53:28] Werdna: and how are you going to implement "like" statement? [14:53:59] Nikerabbit, the blue red stuff [14:54:50] alnokta3: that's why I added the legend at the top [14:54:56] VasilievVV: there are regex libraries for C [14:55:36] Nikerabbit, i mean, i would know if it is in another language than, though outdated is nice [14:55:38] Werdna: but not in standard C library [14:55:45] VasilievVV: sure. [14:55:48] So you're going to use libprce, right? [14:55:55] I suppose so. [14:56:05] or maybe one of the boost libs [14:56:15] That will break our cross-platformity [14:56:21] alnokta3: it's still forming [14:56:21] so be it. [14:56:37] AbuseFilter is designed for WIkimedia. Any usefulness it has beyond that is purely incidental :) [14:56:49] PRCE is the best, because it's what PHP use [14:57:06] also behind many recent server crashes :) [14:57:58] It won't crash servers [14:58:07] Since it will run in the seperate thread [14:58:24] mmm [14:58:31] anyway, it's bedtime for andrew [14:58:37] functions was my goal for tonight [14:58:40] Bye :) [14:58:52] I'll do LIKE/IN/reimplement remaining functions tomorrow [14:59:00] My goal is more ConfigureWMF tweak [14:59:05] *s [14:59:59] VasilievVV: the new parser is worth it. It's transformed tens of ms to parse AND process a criterion, into 50-100us [15:00:14] I might even include memcached caching. [15:00:23] Seeya then [15:01:36] I think it will slow it down :) [15:21:01] guys I must have asked this question here a gozillion times so I apologise for asking once again. Can anybody point me to a document on the web that has step-by-step instructions on how to have 2 wikis in different languages share images and accounts and also have inter-wiki links for language (like wikipedia)? Thanks in advance. [15:36:27] !wikifarm | Jubei [15:36:27] --mwbot-- Jubei: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: and . [15:37:35] Duesentrieb: thank you. [15:41:50] *GreenSleeper would defeinitely recommend using the same source code even if you install separately in other respects, for caching purposes. [15:42:44] All you really need to share are the include, language and skins folders so you could symbolicly link them to one of the languages if you prefer. [15:42:52] GreenSleeper:same source code ..uhhm... you mean the same version of mediawiki? [15:44:19] Wel, that helps too. But I mean, they should run on the same files. [15:44:23] <^demon> GreenSleeper: You can theoretically share everything except for LocalSettings. [15:44:27] as in, the exact same files. :-) [15:44:33] in the same locations. [15:44:47] the exact same files?;) lol hmm... how do I do that? with symbolic links? [15:44:49] Because then, when you use something like APC (which you should) it will only cache them once. [15:45:02] You can do it with symbolic links, yes. [15:45:16] Or there are other methods documented in the wiki family page. [15:45:16] <^demon> Jubei: Are you on Windows or Linux? Symbolic links are easier on the latter (but still do-able on the former) [15:46:13] ^demon I am on linux [15:46:45] <^demon> Jubei: Good, symbolic links are annoying on Windows :-P [15:47:10] :) so I have to manualy symlink each and every file? sounds like too much work ;) [15:47:36] no... just the directories [15:47:37] <^demon> No. [15:47:39] <^demon> The directories. [15:47:52] ooh! I see [15:49:07] <^demon> For example: ln -s /path/to/shared/wiki/includes /some/wiki/you/set/up/includes [15:49:35] <^demon> Change the paths obviously :-P, but the format is ln -s source link [15:49:43] ic :) [15:50:13] <^demon> Granted, it's not WMF-scale, but I had 3 internal wikis @ work running on a shared codebase for awhile. Made upgrading and extension installing so much easier :-) [15:50:46] hello [15:50:57] <^demon> And then in the main wiki directory (index.php, api.php and friends), I symlinked all but the LocalSettings, so I could still do those individually. There's a way to run several wikis on one LocalSettings using $wgConf, but I'm unfamiliar with how. [15:51:17] <^demon> yannf: Hiya [15:51:18] some users see ???<semicolon-separator> in http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges [15:51:29] what could be the reason? [15:51:36] <^demon> Some users, not all? [15:51:46] yes, and it depends of the browser [15:51:57] on FF, not in Konqueror [15:52:03] 03ialex * r38059 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.php: Tweak for my last commit: this variable is not used anymore [15:52:12] <^demon> That's rather odd. It sounds like something stuck in the cache, but even that still doesn't make 100% sense. [15:53:11] ugh [15:53:36] <^demon|away> Later all. [15:53:47] l8r and thanks for the help; [15:53:55] yannf: or more likely the people using enhanced rc? [15:55:58] <^demon|away> Or that. I forget about that feature...never use it. [15:56:03] *^demon|away goes for real now [15:57:38] ^demon|away: enhanced? [16:02:41] will the methods posted above allow me to also share user accounts? [16:02:53] i.e. user registers for one wiki and has access to all? [16:04:40] <^demon|away> Nikerabbit: I never use enhanced. Not a fan. [16:04:46] *^demon|away swears he's gone now [16:06:31] ^demon|away: a masocist then? :o [16:08:35] Nikerabbit, yes, but this continues after disactivating it and emptying the cache [16:08:52] yannf: how comes I don't see it? [16:09:13] i don't see either [16:10:01] yannf: did you update the code lately? [16:10:10] yes, to 1.12.0 [16:10:21] it started to appear after that [16:10:24] Nikerabbit, it's clearly a problem with the user's browser [16:10:31] yannf: no it's not [16:10:38] oh? [16:10:52] let me guess, you didn't update the serialised language files? [16:11:09] maybe not [16:11:26] Nikerabbit, how do i do that? [16:11:40] make -C serialized in mediawiki root [16:16:45] Nikerabbit, it was that, it's ok now [16:20:02] thanks a lot [16:20:05] bye [16:48:33] 03(FIXED) by default, every user should see the newest revision at german wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14306 +comment (10pbirken) [16:55:28] is there easy way to construct diff to previous revision, if I have the current revision number? [17:16:05] 03(FIXED) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 +comment (10jeluf) [17:30:24] when a user changes their username, is that logged somewhere? [17:31:03] derenrich: Special:Log/renameuser [17:31:37] thanks [17:32:53] I??? want to show number of articles in specific ns. is it possible? [17:33:36] {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} [17:38:15] !???NUMBEROFARTICLES [17:38:15] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "???numberofarticles". [17:39:57] pagesinnamespace? [17:40:12] yes [17:40:42] In the window of my browser for the wiki, it says "Main Page - Sigma Solutions". How do I change it so that the title of this page and all others is "Sigma Solutions - Main Page"? [17:41:49] MostafaDaneshvar: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics [17:42:54] obviously other pages would have the Title - "Sigma Solutions - xxx" [17:43:16] *MostafaDaneshvar checking given link [17:50:52] 03nikerabbit * r38060 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ffs/WikiExtension.php: * Tolerate more whitespace [17:51:24] oh how do you change the name of the Main Page? [17:52:49] 03nikerabbit * r38061 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Message.php TranslateUtils.php ffs/Simple.php): * Optimise by removing the unnecessary page existence checks [17:56:05] sigma_: you need to edit a message... [17:56:43] mediawiki:pagetitle [17:58:12] Hello [17:59:39] 03nikerabbit * r38062 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (11 files in 2 dirs): * experimental tag for wikipage translation [17:59:43] thanks [18:09:42] I Use _ygcgu_max_ skin for my Site. The Wiki Logo is covered with a Blue Shade. How to remove that ? [18:09:49] http://www.tamilbuddhism.com [18:15:04] 03(mod) Make UI easier with diff-only preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14581 (10JSchulz_4587) [18:27:19] can I use the language CSS in the wiki or just a part of them [18:29:46] Kosmo: the whole language in MediaWiki:Common.css [18:30:23] okay thank you, i just be a beginer [18:32:24] i have a little problem to create a special line on this side http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM_Benutzerhandbuch [18:32:41] maybe somebody can help me [18:33:00] :-? [18:33:40] i think it just not a big deal [18:34:56] but i don't not know for sure [18:37:40] hmm [18:37:42] funny problem [18:37:45] unset does not work for me [18:39:42] i want to move the Line under the tab editor/fenster on this side http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Josm_editor [18:41:47] and a line should be under "erste Schritte" [18:41:51] 03nikerabbit * r38063 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * 2008-07-26:2 proper parents for branched messages [18:42:36] have somebody an idea :-? [18:43:22] Please do not so complicated [18:43:30] :-) [18:44:43] or is the problem larger than expected [18:46:27] I am just back for 5 min [18:46:32] Kosmo: looks like css issue [18:47:10] you min it is a problem from css [18:47:23] min = mean :-) [18:47:47] <------ German spoke :-( [18:48:26] home language [18:48:41] i come back [19:01:48] 03nikerabbit * r38064 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Translate.php tag/Tag.php): * Add css properly [19:10:10] i be back [19:11:58] 03(WONTFIX) Allow anon users to define which version should be displayed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 (10JSchulz_4587) [19:13:36] Nikerabbit on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Mathematik/Qualit%C3%A4tssicherung they are solved, just how :-? [19:25:43] Are not local usernames stored in the MySQL DB? [19:26:16] I was logging in using my admin username just a few hours ago but now MediaWiki complains that You have not specified a valid user name. [20:00:27] OverlordQ, ping [20:26:05] 03(NEW) update footer link(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14935 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (wiki.bugzilla) [20:31:02] 03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933 +comment (10tstarling) [20:34:20] Duesentrieb: Are you around? [20:38:34] 03ashley * r38065 10/trunk/extensions/SpamRegex/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) [20:38:34] SpamRegex updates: [20:38:34] *remove two outdated documentation files & point readme file to MediaWiki.org as the docs there are likelier to be more up-to-date [20:38:34] *remove useless SPAMREGEX_PATH constant [20:38:34] *CamelCase special page name (Spamregex => SpamRegex) [20:38:36] Address some of the concerns pointed out by Brion in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811#c7 : [20:38:41] *new-style initialization [20:42:04] 03ialex * r38066 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php MessageCache.php): [20:42:04] * factorize common code [20:42:04] * allow to pass directly a Language object [20:52:41] 03(NEW) optimise tag on ganglia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14936 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (wiki.bugzilla) [20:53:57] <wikibugs> 03(mod) update footer link(s) on ganglia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14935 summary (10wiki.bugzilla) [21:02:12] <Alan206> hi [21:02:47] <Alan206> my wikies are working well...but i've problems when i try to configure apache for mediawiki... [21:03:05] <Alan206> it always says The requested URL /cowiki/index.php/Main_Page was not found on this server. [21:03:31] <Alan206> I set the DocumentRoot in /var/www/cowiki [21:03:42] <Alan206> i don't know what the hell is wrong [21:04:01] <Nikerabbit> shouldn??t it be /var/www/ [21:04:02] <lymeca> Alan206: Do you have MediaWiki installed directly into the documenroot? [21:04:52] <Alan206> lymeca the document root is /var/www by default... but i set it as /var/www/cowiki [21:05:00] <Alan206> the directory where i've my wiki.. [21:05:22] <lymeca> You shouldn't do that [21:05:29] <lymeca> That's your problem. [21:05:48] <Alan206> what should i do? [21:05:51] <lymeca> The recommended way of setting up MediaWiki is to have it installed into a directory called w/ which is a subdirectory of your DocumentRoot [21:06:27] <Alan206> but my wiki is installed inside a subdir of /var/www [21:07:20] <Alan206> but when i try to configure apache... i put DocumentRoot /var/www/cowiki for tell to the webserver that i want that all web activities go there [21:08:14] <Nikerabbit> don't do that [21:08:33] <Alan206> i just want that when i insert the ip of my server from outstide, the webserver redirect to me inside my common wiki [21:08:48] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: if you tell apache /var/www/cowiki is your document root, then the wiki files should be installed in a subdir *below* that. [21:09:03] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: do *not* put them in the doc root. no matter where your doc root is., [21:09:22] <Alan206> fine... the documentroot will be /var/www [21:09:38] <Alan206> but how to set the wiki as the defaul destination? [21:09:54] <Duesentrieb> using a redirect defined in htaccess [21:09:58] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: My wiki is basically set up and running again but for some reason overnight it stopped letting me log in as my admin local username. [21:10:15] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: look if hte user is in the database [21:10:29] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: Now pretty much every other user I use LDAP auth for so they don't matter [21:10:54] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: that may be interfering, i don't know. never messed with ldap [21:10:58] <Alan206> Duesentrieb, sorry so i've to move all my wikies from /var/www to, for example, /home/alan? [21:11:13] <Duesentrieb> no. [21:11:24] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: I don't think it is, because I failed to login before installing the LdapAuthentication extension or configuring it. [21:11:33] <Duesentrieb> to /var/www/w or /var/www/mw or something like that [21:11:45] <lymeca> I make quite a few additions to LocalSettings.php but didn't install or configure any new extensions [21:11:47] <Alan206> ok...like i did... [21:11:48] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: so, look in the database [21:11:52] <lymeca> Then when I tried logging in it says no user exists [21:12:08] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: In the 'user' table? [21:12:13] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: note that the path you use to install the files is NOT the path used for "pretty" urls [21:12:23] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: yes, surprisingly [21:13:51] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: Well, I'm running "DESCRIBE user;" and it shows me a bunch of fields... should I be examining one of these fields in particular? [21:14:17] <CIA-55> 03aaron * r38067 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Interface improvements [21:14:35] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: uh, the user name? [21:14:53] <Nikerabbit> Duesentrieb: how's it going? [21:15:18] <Duesentrieb> Nikerabbit: hmph... shold be studying... brain refuses to work... [21:15:40] <Alan206> .htaccess, i've 30 files like that...which one i've to edit? [21:15:41] <Nikerabbit> Duesentrieb: mmm kinda similar feeling [21:15:52] <Nikerabbit> only that I should code [21:16:10] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: the one in your document root. but read apahe documentation about setting up redirects. [21:16:13] <Nikerabbit> Duesentrieb: the good thing is that I already have something that I can show [21:16:18] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: *apache [21:16:34] <Duesentrieb> Nikerabbit: to who? [21:16:42] <Duesentrieb> whome, actually [21:17:13] <Alan206> Duesentrieb: there's not .htaccess in my documentroot... [21:17:18] <Duesentrieb> so make one [21:17:23] <Alan206> ok [21:17:23] <Duesentrieb> make aure apache can read it [21:17:27] <Nikerabbit> Duesentrieb: to anyone :D [21:17:35] <Duesentrieb> heh :) [21:18:00] <Duesentrieb> i need to finish univerity... finally. has been going on for far too long. two exams left. one is next week. [21:18:16] <Kosmo> Nikerabbit I have the solution http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Josm_editor :-) [21:18:26] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Refactor upload code to split backend and interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14925 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [21:18:38] <Duesentrieb> classical formal logics. the easy stuff. until you are asked to proof the obvious. [21:18:47] <Duesentrieb> then it gets nasty. [21:19:48] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: I'm sorry, I don't know how to see information in a field. I know how to use SHOW to show tables and DESCRIBE to show fields in a table... [21:19:59] <Nikerabbit> Duesentrieb: exams at summer? :o [21:20:34] <Duesentrieb> Nikerabbit: yes, that's teh usual time. lectured ended yesterday, now starts the time for exams :) [21:20:44] <Nikerabbit> weird uni you have there :D [21:21:01] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: read an sql tutorial :) [21:21:18] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: select user_name from user limit 10; [21:21:23] <Duesentrieb> (or what is usr_name?) [21:21:47] <lymeca> Okay yeah I see it [21:21:52] <lymeca> My username is in there [21:22:25] <Duesentrieb> so it should let you log in. unless you are looking at the wrong table - that is, your wiki is using a different one. check database name and table prefix. [21:23:25] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: It keeps telling me "You have not specified a valid user name." [21:23:44] <lymeca> I've not changed any DB settings, table prefix and DB name and MySQL username/pw are all correct. [21:23:47] <lymeca> All pages work fine [21:25:38] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: actually... the error message say you have not provided a *valid* user name? [21:25:41] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: Are there any LocalSettings.php configurations which can make certain usernames "no valid" [21:25:56] <lymeca> Because I added a bunch of configuration options to LocalSettings.php [21:26:04] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: that basically indicates it's not seeing a user name at all. or thinks it is invalid for some reason, which might be cause by some extension [21:26:24] <lymeca> Well like I said I haven't even started adding extensions yet. [21:26:27] <Duesentrieb> yes, there are. [21:26:45] <Duesentrieb> $wgLegalTitleChars is one [21:26:57] <Duesentrieb> if you mess that up, that could be a problem [21:27:20] <Duesentrieb> $wgMaxNameChars [21:27:38] <Duesentrieb> $wgReservedUsernames [21:27:45] <Duesentrieb> i think that's it [21:27:54] <lymeca> I don't have any of those. [21:28:02] <Duesentrieb> then i am out of ideas [21:28:06] <lymeca> $wgEnableUserEmail = true; # UPO [21:28:06] <lymeca> $wgEnotifUserTalk = true; # UPO [21:28:06] <lymeca> $wgPageShowWatchingUsers = true; [21:28:08] <Duesentrieb> try enabling the debug log [21:28:12] <Duesentrieb> maybe it will give you some info [21:28:14] <Duesentrieb> maybe [21:28:22] <Duesentrieb> !debug [21:28:22] --mwbot-- For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>. [21:28:51] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: uh... there should be a LOT more in your LocalSettings than that (but don't post it here) [21:29:02] <lymeca> haha I know [21:30:56] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: Also, should my LocalSettings.php be ended with some sort of php script ending notifier? [21:31:06] <Duesentrieb> no. [21:31:10] <Duesentrieb> it should not [21:31:11] <Alan206> uhhh i did the .htaccess but nothing change...what the hell i'm doing wrong :( [21:31:18] <lymeca> I don't know if I accidentally deleted one... it starts with <?php [21:31:19] <lymeca> okay [21:31:43] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: ?> at the end is not required, and it's actually dangerous, because if there's a blank line following it, that would screw things up. [21:32:09] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: well, what did you put in there? but generally, apache config issues are best discussed in #apache i guess :) [21:32:23] <KU0N> hello [21:32:35] <Alan206> yes sorry for the OT Duesentrieb, but i thought it's linked to mediawiki.. [21:32:47] <KU0N> I have many images hosted on a media server, and I want to be able to put them inline in my wiki pages [21:33:02] <Alan206> Duesentrieb http://rafb.net/p/BLEhlR41.html can you give a look ? [21:33:07] <KU0N> Is there any way to do it other than using RawHtml and <img tag? [21:34:30] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: the rewrite rules are mw-related, the redirect from the base dir is not really. but never mind. what's the url of your wiki? [21:35:05] <Alan206> you want the IP? [21:35:22] <Duesentrieb> !externalimage | KU0N [21:35:22] --mwbot-- KU0N: I don't know anything about "externalimage". You might try: !externalimages [21:35:27] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: i want a url [21:35:36] <Duesentrieb> !externalimages | KU0N [21:35:36] --mwbot-- KU0N: To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>. [21:35:38] <Duesentrieb> damn [21:36:09] <KU0N> thanks a lot [21:36:38] <Alan206> Duesentrieb my server has not a web url..is not in some dns i mean, i reach it by its IP.. [21:37:15] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: so the url will contain an ip address. i don't care, as long as it's a url i can access with my browser [21:38:06] <Alan206> i send it in private :) [21:38:11] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: http://pastebin.ca/1083791 [21:39:04] <CIA-55> 03ashley * r38068 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): SpecialMovepageBeforeMove hook from Wikia codebase - allows extensions, such as spamRegex, to interfere with page moving [21:39:28] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: what's the exact name and path of your htaccess file? [21:39:38] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: not from memory. please copy&paste [21:39:50] <Alan206> path /var/www, name .htaccess [21:39:53] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: also, please give the values of $egScriptPath and $wgArticlePath from your LocalSettings [21:40:47] <Alan206> wgScriptPath = '/cowiki' [21:40:57] <Alan206> articlepath is not set [21:41:26] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: it sure seems to be set. to /wiki/$1, actually. [21:41:36] <Duesentrieb> but that would be fine, if your rewrite would work [21:41:41] <Duesentrieb> which it doesn't, it seems [21:41:52] <Alan206> i've to write it in Localsetting? [21:42:03] <KU0N> Duesentrieb: with external images, can I apply a class to the image? [21:42:25] <Jack_Phoenix> hey ^demon :-) [21:42:32] <KU0N> I mean a css class [21:42:35] <Duesentrieb> KU0N: no. you can do pretty much nothing to it. you can wrap it in a div or span though, and give a class to that [21:42:45] <KU0N> ok Duesentrieb I'll do that way [21:42:46] <^demon> Jack_Phoenix: Howdy :-) [21:42:53] <Jack_Phoenix> rar [21:43:05] <Duesentrieb> KU0N: you can also write a template to wrap all the nastiness of this :) [21:43:23] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: no, you localseetings seems to be fine. [21:43:34] <KU0N> Duesentrieb: yea, thanks [21:43:34] <Alan206> ok [21:43:36] <Duesentrieb> Alan206: i do not know why your rewrite rules do not work. [21:43:40] <CIA-55> 03ashley * r38069 10/trunk/extensions/SpamRegex/ (4 files): [21:43:40] <CIA-55> spamRegex code update, part 2: [21:43:40] <CIA-55> changes from Wikia codebase: [21:43:40] <CIA-55> *some more profiling [21:43:40] <CIA-55> *disallow page moving if move reason contains spamregexed entries (uses the new SpecialMovepageBeforeMove hook) [21:43:44] <^demon> Jack_Phoenix: I like the new hook. I was looking at how to make the SpamBlacklist play with that. [21:43:52] <^demon> (CIA seems a bit slow today :-P) [21:43:57] <Jack_Phoenix> hehe [21:44:09] <Alan206> damn....what i can do :( [21:44:23] <Jack_Phoenix> I've got plenty of hooks in here that I could add (damn wikia and their devs ;-) [21:45:28] <Alan997> i changed the owner and the group of .htaccess...i did all... [21:46:08] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: By the way, my username is 4 letters and starts wiht upercase and the last 3 are lowercase [21:46:23] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: and all are ascii letters? [21:46:29] <lymeca> yes [21:46:35] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: i have no clue, really. sorry. [21:47:11] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: thanks for publically posting your database password, by the way. [21:47:21] <lymeca> I changed it =P [21:47:23] <Subfader> I have a questing regarding "E-mail this user": Is it possible to add some footer below the text from the form? If you take out the subject in the form it looks like spam and there is no connection to the wiki website [21:47:25] <lymeca> That's not real [21:47:28] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: i was hoping that :) [21:47:48] <Subfader> like This E-mail was sent to you via your user profile http://www.mywiki.com/wiki/index.php/User:NAME [21:48:04] <Subfader> **by User:BLA [21:48:04] <lymeca> This is driving me crazy, I think it's saying this error for any username [21:48:50] <^demon> Subfader: Yes [21:48:58] <^demon> [[MediaWiki:emailuserfooter]] [21:49:14] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: show me the rewrite rulke you use for /wiki [21:49:21] <Subfader> cheers! [21:49:21] <^demon> Subfader: For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Emailuserfooter [21:49:42] <Alan997> Duesentrieb, by the way thanks a lot for your help :) [21:49:51] <Duesentrieb> np [21:50:12] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) MediaWiki:Rcnote at Watchlist page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14937 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (i.am.putnik) [21:50:52] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: Sure, haven't changed this since it was working last night though [21:50:54] <lymeca> Alias /wiki /opt/mediawiki-1.13.0rc1/w/index.php/ [21:51:24] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811 +comment (10wikia.jack) [21:51:30] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: hrm... i have never worked with aliases... and this is using pathinfo... [21:51:46] <Subfader> can't believe MediaWiki:emailuserfooter is empty by default. [21:52:05] <Duesentrieb> lymeca: to me it seems that the user name you send is simply lost in the request. the wiki gets nothing. because the message you see is the one you get when you simply enter no name at all. [21:52:28] <^demon> Subfader: Shouldn't be. Did you add new messages from trunk? It was only added a few weeks ago. [21:52:55] <Subfader> is it MW 1.13 only? :( [21:53:39] <Subfader> i use 1.12. the page was empty. but not "doesn't exist" [21:55:31] <lymeca> Duesentrieb: Alas, I think you may have struck upon something. [21:56:21] <lymeca> Where should I start troubleshooting this? I'm trying very hard to think what I changed between now and 12 hours ago which might've broken this. [21:57:04] <^demon> Subfader: It's 1.13. [21:57:15] <Subfader> damn it. ok [22:01:37] <^demon> Is there any reason whatsoever that $wgBreakFrames is still in the code? It doesn't _do_ anything. [22:20:44] <Mark_vH> could somebody point me in the right direction for getting mails from mediawiki to work under windows xp sp2? [22:23:14] <^demon> Can PHP send mails in other applications you use? [22:24:57] <Mark_vH> mediawiki is the only php application i use currently [22:26:46] <Subfader> ok i simply added the text into Special:Emailuser.php of 1.12. Nice includes/ cleanup in 1.13 ;) [22:27:34] <^demon> Gotcha. Do you have an email set up in your php.ini file? [22:32:23] <Mark_vH> (?'m trying to setup PEAR now, since i don't have an smtp server running) [22:33:36] <Mark_vH> or could you recommend me a safe smtp server for winXP? [22:35:01] <lymeca> Can anyone help me with a severe, crippling login problem I'm having? MediaWiki isn't receiving my login information correctly and always says that "You have not specified a valid user name. " when I clearly have and the usernames are in the DB. [22:35:04] <CIA-55> 03aaron * r38070 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ReaderFeedback_body.php: Better dup check [22:35:38] <lymeca> I think it's some sort of problem with the index.php not actually receiving the username/password correctly perhaps due to some Apache configuration error? [22:35:46] <lymeca> I'm not sure, but no one can log in, not even admins. [22:41:42] <Mark_vH> how should i include pear's mail.php on windows? [22:53:48] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Section editing: removing sections leaves excess whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14938 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (mike.lifeguard) [23:00:16] <Mark_vH> ok..zoning in on my pear problem: it seems that files in a path that contains a space are not found [23:01:21] <Mark_vH> what's the correct systax to add a dir with a space to the include path? [23:04:51] <MrSock> hi all. [23:05:15] <MrSock> my redirect pages don't auto-redirect. how do i fix that? [23:13:36] <Louperivois> Anyone can apply my patch (bug 14929) in SVN please ? [23:17:18] <^demon> Louperivois: I'll look at it. [23:17:23] <^demon> What's it about, btw? [23:17:50] <^demon> Oh yeah, I saw that patch, doc updates for removeUnusedAccounts [23:19:04] <Louperivois> Is my patch correctly build ? (it is my first one) [23:19:48] <^demon> I'm not familiar with the format, but I'll see if I can apply it to my trunk. [23:21:24] <^demon> SVN won't have it. I'll look, but it'll take me a minute. [23:21:38] <Louperivois> if we get an error, it's probably the paths in the .diff file [23:22:16] <Mark_vH> anyone experienced with setting up pear on windows? [23:22:42] <^demon> Mark_vH: PHP won't mail anything (Pear or otherwise) if you don't have Sendmail or SMTP configured. [23:24:10] <MrSock> ah - there *are* ppl here [23:24:17] <MrSock> can anyone help me with my redirect problem? [23:24:35] <MrSock> i'm used to links automatically jumping past redirect pages [23:24:45] <Mark_vH> *bangs head into keyboard (it's been a long day) [23:24:51] <MrSock> but for some reason, i'm actually seeing the redirect pages. how to feex? [23:25:14] <Mark_vH> demon, thanks...now i'm realizing why it's failing [23:25:32] <Mike_lifeguard> MrSock: is the page in question a double redirect (ie it redirects to a page which itself is a redirect to somewhere else)? [23:25:38] <^demon> Mark_vH: Sorry I left earlier, had to run away for a bit. [23:25:55] <^demon> Louperivois: Give me a few minutes. I'm applying it and testing on my local trunk. [23:26:28] <Louperivois> Demon : ok, but I already tested it. [23:26:57] <Mark_vH> ^demon: is there any place where i can find the results of the attempted mail? [23:27:19] <^demon> Mark_vH: I really wouldn't know. [23:27:34] <^demon> Louperivois: I trust you. Just want to try it out myself before committing to trunk :-) [23:27:40] <lymeca> MediaWiki is not receiving any of the usernames I'm trying to log in as, even though they are clearly in the DB and the DB is working. In short, MediaWiki is receiving blank usernames even though the field is not empty in the client during authentication. [23:28:58] <lymeca> It's basically turning all usernames into 'noname' [23:29:39] <Louperivois> ^demon : yes, thanks. Yesterday the user helping me doubted a lot about me. [23:30:28] <Louperivois> I'm new in MediaWiki, not in Wikimedia, eh. ;-) [23:32:54] <MrSock> Mike - no - just a single redirect. [23:33:15] <MrSock> oh wait [23:33:20] <MrSock> say ... maybe they ARE double-redirects [23:34:09] <MrSock> damn ... how do you edit a redirect page again? [23:34:17] <Mike_lifeguard> there should be an edit tab as normal [23:34:22] <Mike_lifeguard> or append ?action=edit [23:34:24] <MrSock> naw - can't get there [23:34:27] <MrSock> cuz it redirects [23:34:47] <MrSock> <giggle> [23:35:29] <Mike_lifeguard> there is a link back to the redirect page in the line saying something like "redirected from Page" [23:39:49] <MrSock> gotcha [23:39:51] <MrSock> thx [23:40:17] <CIA-55> 03jhsoby * r38071 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php: * Adding messages for (stable) global groups [23:42:41] <CIA-55> 03demon * r38072 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (removeUnusedAccounts.inc removeUnusedAccounts.php): Ignore sysops+bcrats and accounts touched in the last week. Patch by Louperivois. [23:43:43] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) maintenance/removeUnusedAccounts. php now not delete sysops and bureaucrats. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14929 +comment (10innocentkiller) [23:43:44] <^demon> Done. [23:44:14] <Louperivois> thanks very much (it's historuc for me) [23:44:23] <Louperivois> *historic [23:44:34] <^demon> Glad to help. I left a note on the bug about another idea you might want to try. Give that a while if you'd like :-) [23:45:37] <^demon> *whirl [23:48:12] <Louperivois> mmm. I thought about that. If you suggest the function I will code it. [23:48:48] <Louperivois> yet : thanks. I going to code. [23:56:53] <Louperivois> ^demon : I was mistakes in my indentation ?