[00:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global spam blacklist should have less or no lag time before taking effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14951 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (mike.lifeguard)
[00:19:13] <TimStarling>	where did schnittchen go?
[00:19:41] <Charitwo>	he quit the network about 20 or so minutes ago
[00:20:08] <TimStarling>	<nowiki> will override <noinclude> in MW 1.12, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't in MW 1.10
[00:20:32] <TimStarling>	in MW 1.12, precedence goes strictly to the leftmost opening
[00:24:59] <pestylence>	How do I change a user's password?
[00:25:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14950  (10meno25wiki)
[00:25:57] <eyecue>	Morning, anybody know of any IRC bots/scripts that notify #channels of wiki updates?
[00:25:58] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset  ?
[00:26:12] <odes3>	lady if you are still there, it worked :)
[00:26:16] <odes3>	thanks
[00:26:22] <Splarka>	eyecue: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:IRC_RC_Bot
[00:26:28] <eyecue>	danke
[00:26:32] <Splarka>	also https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/IRCD
[00:27:17] <eyecue>	mmm, perl deps
[00:30:17] <pestylence>	Thanks splarka
[01:26:58] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38114 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIRepo.php: Set a damn default for apiThumbCacheExpiry so we don't spew notices all the time when it's not set.
[01:27:34] <CIA-55>	03shinjiman * r38115 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
[01:27:34] <CIA-55>	Update the Chinese conversion tables
[01:27:34] <CIA-55>	Last minute changes for the release branch 1.13
[02:27:33] <lymeca>	http://intelligentdesigns.net/blog/?p=91
[02:27:48] <lymeca>	I have 1.13.0rc1 and if I add this code verbatim to my LocalSettings.php, will it work?
[02:34:43] <qsheets>	lymeca: try it, and if it doesn't work, blame me
[02:34:53] <qsheets>	for telling you to try it
[02:35:10] <lymeca>	Doesn't work
[02:35:11] <lymeca>	=P
[02:35:27] <lymeca>	Rather than blame you, can I paste you the error and get some troubleshootin' love?
[02:35:35] <qsheets>	sure
[02:35:49] *qsheets 	tries not to be blamed
[02:36:50] <lymeca>	qsheets: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting ')' in /opt/mediawiki-1.13.0rc1/w/LocalSettings.php on line 201
[02:38:00] <lymeca>	qsheets: line 201 is:
[02:38:01] <lymeca>	???apibase???          => ???http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php???,
[02:38:24] <qsheets>	fix all the apostrophes
[02:38:50] <lymeca>	oh!
[02:38:52] <lymeca>	weird
[02:38:59] <lymeca>	couldn;t see it until I pasted into here
[02:39:00] <lymeca>	lame
[02:39:00] <qsheets>	<(^^,)>
[02:39:15] <qsheets>	it happens
[02:40:27] <qsheets>	... now, how does it work? :p
[02:40:58] <lymeca>	well, no error
[02:41:04] <lymeca>	I'm not 100% how to test
[02:42:27] <qsheets>	[[Image:Dean kamen.jpg]]
[02:43:05] <qsheets>	if you get the picture, lol, it works!!
[02:43:37] <lymeca>	haha
[02:43:39] <lymeca>	sweeeet
[02:43:46] <qsheets>	good?
[02:44:36] <qsheets>	lymeca: 
[02:44:57] <lymeca>	[[Image:Vodafone.png|250px|Vodafone Logo]]
[02:45:02] <lymeca>	That doesn't work =[
[02:45:07] <lymeca>	The Dean kamen one did though
[02:45:50] <qsheets>	odd
[02:45:54] <lymeca>	[[Image:Vodafone.png]] doesn't work at all... I'm going to try another PNG
[02:46:07] <lymeca>	Err, how do I find another PNG?
[02:46:48] <qsheets>	try a GIF: [[Image:Rotating earth (large).gif]]
[02:46:54] *lymeca 	brute forces Wikimedia's archives for a PNG
[02:47:20] <lymeca>	Yeah that works
[02:47:35] <qsheets>	[[Image:PNG transparency demonstration 1.png]]
[02:49:05] <lymeca>	[[Image:Iceland-from-space.png]] doesn't work =/
[02:49:38] <lymeca>	Hey that one works!!
[02:49:48] <lymeca>	The transparency demo
[02:49:50] <lymeca>	...
[02:50:18] <qsheets>	lol
[02:51:07] <qsheets>	lymeca: it must be hit or miss on which images are shared on the wikimedia sites
[02:51:13] <Xiong>	wow
[02:51:29] <Xiong>	RC -> IRC
[02:51:45] <qsheets>	??
[02:51:46] <Xiong>	marketing^3
[02:52:09] <qsheets>	lol
[02:52:22] <lymeca>	?
[02:52:55] <qsheets>	Xiong: mind explaining?
[02:52:55] <lymeca>	qsheets: How can I tell shich are shared and which are specific to Wikipedia?
[02:53:09] <qsheets>	trial and error
[02:54:02] <Xiong>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:OverlordQ/IRCRCBot
[02:54:18] <qsheets>	lymeca: your chances of getting a working image are greater than 50%
[02:54:28] <lymeca>	Hmm, interesting.
[03:08:50] <lymeca>	Okay, so when I upload an Ogg file the URL on my wiki is [[Image:blah.ogg]] which is obviously not ideal.  Is it really the only way to access ANY filetype, with Image: before it?
[03:09:03] <lymeca>	Even PDFs or videos or... anything?
[03:11:58] <amidaniel>	You can rename the namespace to something else if you want
[03:12:08] <qsheets>	lymeca: Media:
[03:12:26] <lymeca>	amidaniel: Where can I change it?
[03:12:38] <lymeca>	qsheets: Thanks, that's a good suggestion.
[03:12:47] <qsheets>	np
[03:12:49] <lymeca>	I think I'll use that. ;-)
[03:13:00] <lymeca>	No way to alter it based on file extension though?
[03:13:05] <lymeca>	Media: will work fine if not.
[03:13:06] <qsheets>	nope
[03:13:08] <amidaniel>	No
[03:13:49] <qsheets>	amidaniel: stop trying to steal my customer, lol
[03:14:03] <amidaniel>	qsheets: heh, sorry :)
[03:15:57] *qsheets 	listen to Basshunter on iTunes
[04:47:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image hotlinking from squatted domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14829  (10N/A)
[05:09:24] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38116 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[05:09:24] <CIA-55>	Start on some cleanup of how CSS stylesheets are loaded. Initially addressing only the SkinTemplate-based skins; would like to rip out some near-dupe code in the other skin types, with a little more refactoring...
[05:09:24] <CIA-55>	* A skin can make calls to $this->addScript to much more cleanly list which
[05:09:24] <CIA-55>	style sheets it wants to load, for which media variants and which IE conditional
[05:09:26] <CIA-55>	versions. This replaces the 'cssfiles' array hack and giant pile of ugly
[05:09:28] <CIA-55>	conditionals in MonoBook's template.
[05:09:30] <CIA-55>	* 'printable=yes' and 'handheld=yes' URL options are handled transparently -- 'screen' stylesheets are hidden, while those with no media specifier are left.
[05:13:48] <Xiong>	does SUL pre-empt account creation on wikis i've never logged into?
[05:14:00] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38117 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Revert pending review -- new tables etc
[05:14:14] <qsheets>	Xiong: ??
[05:14:16] <slakr>	Xiong > no
[05:14:21] <qsheets>	nvm
[05:14:29] <slakr>	i.e.
[05:14:34] <slakr>	it creates the account once you log in
[05:14:40] <Xiong>	i know that
[05:14:53] <slakr>	oh you're saying does it prevent others from using it?
[05:14:59] <Xiong>	but does it prevent someone from creating an account with that name?
[05:15:05] <slakr>	yes
[05:15:10] <Xiong>	that's what i meant
[05:15:26] <Xiong>	so once i settle current issues, i won't have to police the matter again
[05:15:32] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38118 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialEditWikiSets.php: Revert another part of r37975 pending review (new tables etc)
[05:15:45] <slakr>	oh you'll have to police the matter again, but it'll be something completely unexpected
[05:15:46] <slakr>	lol
[05:15:47] <slakr>	:D
[05:15:48] <Xiong>	ppl in #wikipedia are just stroking me off about the issue
[05:16:19] <Xiong>	i got on the ball 6 weeks ago and all wikis are done except id: and zh:
[05:16:27] <Xiong>	i have no idea what to do about them
[05:16:59] <Xiong>	contacted 2 bcrats on each wiki, no action, no reply
[05:17:30] <slakr>	worst case
[05:17:40] <slakr>	you might be able to just get a steward to step in
[05:17:43] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38119 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: Cleanup for r37989 -- we lost an htmlspecialchars()
[05:17:49] *slakr 	doesn't know how all that works
[05:17:55] <slakr>	and all the red tap
[05:17:56] <slakr>	+e
[05:18:07] <Xiong>	yeh, you're right and if i thought about it, i might have seen that
[05:18:12] <Xiong>	i need to post to meta:
[05:18:34] <slakr>	just be like "hey dudes, I tried contacting them two months ago, so... ermm.... ? " :P
[05:19:14] <Xiong>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/SUL_requests
[05:19:30] <Xiong>	i'm not all that lazy that i'm not willing to do the work
[05:19:47] <Xiong>	i did contact crats on many wikis and went through a formal procedure on ja:
[05:20:07] <Xiong>	but i think i hit a wall on the last two
[05:22:20] <Jubei>	omg I totaly pimped my wiki's front page! although it's a bit gay now http://japanwiki.org
[05:25:38] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38120 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): 
[05:25:38] <CIA-55>	Revert r38016, r38018 (change of $wgTranslateNumerals defaults).
[05:25:38] <CIA-55>	There was no explanation given of why it should be forced to off by default for every language...
[05:26:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Character reference link can generate unreachable non-NFC title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14952 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (tstarling)
[05:30:11] <Xiong>	yeh jubei, looks okay
[05:30:24] <Xiong>	very ambitious though
[05:30:55] <Xiong>	you may have some trouble getting contribs on the chinese language wiki
[05:31:25] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38121 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[05:31:25] <CIA-55>	Revert r38040 "new hook, ConfirmEmailComplete"
[05:31:25] <CIA-55>	This hook is incomplete and won't work as advertised. Will fail to run when the
[05:31:25] <CIA-55>	email address is confirmed through other means, such as a password reset; also
[05:31:25] <CIA-55>	there's no corresponding hook for when the mail gets *un*confirmed, so would
[05:31:25] <CIA-55>	lead to inconsistent state.
[05:31:26] <Xiong>	do you have SUL for the farm?
[05:33:07] <Jubei>	Xiong: why do you say that?
[05:33:20] <Jubei>	Xiong: about the cn
[05:41:24] <arcandio>	How can I change the color of external links? I can't seem to figure out how to change the CSS to do this.
[05:44:31] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38122 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[05:44:31] <CIA-55>	Revert r38068 "SpecialMovepageBeforeMove hook from Wikia codebase - allows extensions, such as spamRegex, to interfere with page moving"
[05:44:31] <CIA-55>	This passes a MovePageForm, which seems unwise. It won't apply to the edit API,
[05:44:31] <CIA-55>	and generally seems like a weak interface -- an internal UI object is passed
[05:44:31] <CIA-55>	instead of specific information, leaving it unstable to future changes.
[05:45:12] <Splarka>	how many seconds did arcandio wait before leaving? a.external {color:whatever} ... but left too fast
[05:45:48] <AaronSchulz>	brion-away: don't let the revert stick overheat
[05:49:01] <brion-away>	:D
[05:52:09] *AaronSchulz 	goes to take a break
[05:55:07] *qsheets 	explains to a friend how Heath Ledger's role as the Joker lead to his death
[05:59:15] <brion>	ok, scap time
[06:01:01] <Splarka>	isa some <style> gonna die?
[06:01:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Question about hotlinking statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14948  +comment (10nospam)
[06:01:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Question about hotlinking statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14948  trivial->15enhancement (10nospam)
[06:02:15] *brion 	frowns
[06:02:20] <brion>	Magic word not found
[06:02:27] <brion>	#1 /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.5/includes/MagicWord.php(188): MagicWord->load('staticredirect')
[06:02:28] <brion>	bah
[06:02:36] <Jubei>	guys I have set up my multiple wikis that share source code and I was wondering if they can also share users, any info on that (coz mediawiki site doesnt have any info on that)
[06:02:37] <brion>	presumably because it hasn't loaded the updated language files
[06:02:39] <brion>	*sigh*
[06:03:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Question about hotlinking statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14948  +comment (10tstarling)
[06:04:39] <brion>	well, may as well just try it and hope it all works ;)
[06:04:57] <brion>	Jubei: yes, see the faq, should be mentioned in there
[06:06:17] <Jubei>	brion: kk thanks.
[06:09:39] <ThomasV>	wiki broken ?
[06:10:05] <brion>	ThomasV: define broken
[06:10:20] <ThomasV>	gray screen of death in RC
[06:10:34] <brion>	hmmmmmm
[06:10:35] <Splarka>	nobody uses RC anymore
[06:10:38] <brion>	fine on test :P
[06:10:40] <Splarka>	works on test. not on en
[06:11:02] <amidaniel>	There's a gray screen of death? o.O
[06:11:30] <ThomasV>	perhaps you can configure firefox to have it in blue
[06:12:32] <ThomasV>	oh, I get a backtrace this time
[06:13:14] <ThomasV>	Magic word not found
[06:13:14] <ThomasV>	Backtrace:
[06:13:14] <ThomasV>	#0 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/MagicWord.php(235): Language->getMagic(Object(MagicWord))
[06:13:48] <ThomasV>	hmm, it works again
[06:14:21] <brion>	yep, it's done updating
[06:15:17] <ThomasV>	ok
[06:30:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Something about these images created by a nightly build of Inkscape prevents RSVG /MediaWiki from rendering the images properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14953 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (will.pittenger1+wikibugzilla)
[06:31:22] <Jubei>	brion: it's not on the faq btw. and apparently it doesnt look possible
[06:31:33] <Jubei>	brion: at least without hacking the php files, which will be a mess during upgrades
[06:31:54] <sentinel100>	what is the extension of user:Duesentrieb to get the talk page to below the main page
[06:32:24] <brion>	Jubei: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSharedDB
[06:32:39] <MZMcBride>	Heh. I love when they're marked BLOCKER.
[06:32:54] <Jubei>	brion: that's embarassing ^_^ thanks!
[06:34:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Something about these images created by a nightly build of Inkscape prevents RSVG /MediaWiki from rendering the images properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14953  (10wiki)
[06:34:46] <Jubei>	brion: any expected release date for mediawiki 1.13?
[06:36:04] <MZMcBride>	With a release candidate just recently released, I'd expect it to be out in a week or two.
[06:36:53] <Jubei>	excellent! thanks for the info.
[06:37:23] <Jubei>	I guess I'll wait until then to get the shared user tables features etc.
[06:39:16] <brion>	well, up to you. shared user table's been there for several years
[06:42:14] <sentinel100>	what is the extension of user:Duesentrieb to get the talk page to below the main page
[06:44:19] <sentinel100>	got it Extensions:TalkHere
[06:51:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Skin "Simple" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (angus)
[07:01:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Something about these images created by a nightly build of Inkscape prevents RSVG /MediaWiki from rendering the images properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14953  +comment (10will.pittenger1+wikibugzilla)
[07:11:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Question about hotlinking statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14948  (10wiki)
[07:24:20] <sentinel100>	hi i have installed ArticleComments extension however all comments appear on the dicussion page how do i make sure that the comments appear on the article page any ideas it has been implemented here http://www.leerwiki.nl/Ajax_script_for_Mediawiki_1.10
[07:33:50] <sentinel100>	any help!
[07:34:21] <Wyvernoid>	!e TalkHere | sentinel100
[07:34:21] --mwbot--	sentinel100: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TalkHere
[07:35:59] <sentinel100>	well i did use that.. however it does move the dicussion page to the main page of the article.. however the comments system aint asthetically appealing
[07:36:18] <sentinel100>	the same extension Article Comments has been integrated here  http://www.leerwiki.nl/Ajax_script_for_Mediawiki_1.10
[07:39:10] <sentinel100>	hmmm {{:{{TALKSPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}}}
[07:39:21] <sentinel100>	thats been added to the page .. this page is a dutch version of mediawiki
[07:39:32] <sentinel100>	would integrating this on to the article page do the trick?
[07:41:13] <sentinel100>	haha it works
[07:41:16] <sentinel100>	like a gem
[07:41:18] <sentinel100>	:D
[07:41:53] <qsheets>	gj
[07:55:57] <Lady_Aleena>	I wish there were a link on My contributions where clicking it would remove all pages where I have the last edits on those pages.
[07:58:34] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:59:31] <Lady_Aleena>	Hello
[08:04:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (maxsem.wiki)
[08:28:45] <Prom3th3an>	Hi, Im trying to import a wikiquote XML dump into my database, I have converted the XML file into three SQL files (page, revision, text). My problem is for the revision table, my column count doesnt match the one in the SQL dump. Does anyone know what im supposed to do? to fix this?
[08:30:41] <Duesentrieb>	Prom3th3an: how did you convert?
[08:30:52] <Prom3th3an>	xml2sql-fe
[08:31:11] <Duesentrieb>	uh... why? does it say somewhere that this is a good idea?
[08:31:15] <Duesentrieb>	because generally, it isn'*t.
[08:31:46] <Prom3th3an>	How else do import it (on windows)
[08:32:44] <Werdna>	Prom3th3an: there's something available from svn that does it all
[08:32:44] <Duesentrieb>	Prom3th3an: using maintenance/importDump.php (slow but reliable)
[08:32:47] <Werdna>	in java IIRC
[08:33:00] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:33:02] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: uh? do you mean mwdumer?
[08:33:11] <Prom3th3an>	mwdumper^
[08:33:23] <Duesentrieb>	medumper can be used to convert to sql, or to improt directly. but then you need to rebuild all link tables anyway.
[08:33:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[08:33:34] <Duesentrieb>	so it's not really faster than importDump.php in the end
[08:33:44] <Prom3th3an>	Ok
[08:33:52] <Duesentrieb>	you need to erebuild link tables when using the stuff from xml2sql too
[08:33:57] <Prom3th3an>	How do I execute importdump.php
[08:34:05] <Duesentrieb>	Prom3th3an: it's a php command line program
[08:34:11] <Prom3th3an>	Yes
[08:34:18] <Duesentrieb>	Prom3th3an: so, go to the directory, and type php importdump.php
[08:34:29] <Duesentrieb>	and the file name as a parameter
[08:34:36] <Duesentrieb>	you need to set up AdminSettings.php forst
[08:34:38] <Duesentrieb>	!adminsettings
[08:34:38] --mwbot--	AdminSettings.php is an additional configuration file for use with command line maintenance scripts. See AdminSettings.sample in your installation directory for details. <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:AdminSettings.php>
[08:37:28] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38123 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Update for incomplete revert
[08:38:14] *Duesentrieb 	goes to whip up a short manual page on importing
[08:38:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955  (10maxsem.wiki)
[08:38:45] <Prom3th3an>	Duesentrieb: Do i execute in in CMD?
[08:38:56] <Prom3th3an>	as in importdump.php
[08:39:50] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[08:40:00] <Duesentrieb>	"shell" or "command line" means cmd.exe on windows
[08:40:27] <Prom3th3an>	Im running a LAMP
[08:40:32] <Prom3th3an>	will this affect it?
[08:40:51] <Prom3th3an>	Eg PHP associations etc?
[08:42:55] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: hows up?
[08:43:09] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: hm?
[08:44:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[08:44:22] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: :o
[08:44:23] <Duesentrieb>	Prom3th3an: if you are running LAMP, you are not running windows. I suppose you mean XAMPP. It doesn't matter, as long as "php" is recongized as a program on the command line. otherwise you will have to find out where it is installed and use the foll path to invoke it.
[08:46:25] <Prom3th3an>	Duesentrieb: Yes Im running XAMPP, and php is not associated to the .php extention, nor is command prompt recognising it
[08:47:22] <Duesentrieb>	extension associations are irrelevant for what happens on the command prompt. you have to call the script via php anyway, not directly
[08:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	if "php" is not recognized, find out the full path.
[08:49:06] <Prom3th3an>	php importdump.php -dumpname.xml
[08:49:09] <Prom3th3an>	is that right?
[08:49:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Error of Wikimedia server - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14956 major; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[08:51:19] <Prom3th3an>	Duesentrieb
[08:52:37] <Duesentrieb>	Prom3th3an: no. you have to provide the actual name (or rather, full path) of the dump file
[08:52:42] <Duesentrieb>	which probably doesn't start with a "-"
[08:52:52] <Prom3th3an>	Argh
[08:52:54] <Prom3th3an>	its not relative
[08:53:08] <Prom3th3an>	php importdump.php c:\xampp\dumpname.xml
[08:53:10] <Prom3th3an>	that^
[08:57:45] <Prom3th3an>	Duesentrieb: Im getting an error, see http://203.122.240.118:81/5
[08:57:51] <Prom3th3an>	^Paste bin
[08:57:51] <ZeiP>	http://asso.scoutwiki.org/Image:ScoutWiki_Days_in_Paris_-_2_march_2008.jpeg << what might be the cause of this?
[08:58:51] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38124 10/trunk/extensions/ (66 files in 64 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-28 10:44 CEST)
[08:59:31] <Prom3th3an>	Nevermind
[08:59:34] <Prom3th3an>	I fixed it
[09:00:39] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38125 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (25 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-07-28 10:44 CEST)
[09:09:34] <Prom3th3an>	Duesentrieb: Its importing
[09:09:47] <Prom3th3an>	Duesentrieb: Thanks for taking the time to show me, another mystery solved :)
[09:09:47] <Duesentrieb>	good :)
[09:10:49] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38126 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (8 files): Localisation updates for core from Betawiki
[09:10:51] <Prom3th3an>	I'd import en-wiki, but i dont think my DB server would like it
[09:10:53] <Prom3th3an>	lol
[09:13:52] <Prom3th3an>	^ that and the fact that It would cost me a forune in bandwidth
[09:16:41] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38127 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates for special page aliases for extensions from Betawiki
[09:42:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New extension: "Upload To Wikimedia Commons Tab" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14957 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (ermwiki)
[09:48:26] <CIA-55>	03rotem * r38128 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he.
[09:49:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension: "Upload To Wikimedia Commons Tab" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14957  (10ermwiki)
[09:50:00] <Nikerabbit>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5099 uh?
[09:58:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension: "Upload To Wikimedia Commons Tab" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14957  (10maxsem.wiki)
[10:07:12] <yannf>	hello
[10:07:46] <yannf>	i get an error: "A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "LinksUpdate::incrTableUpdate". MySQL returned error "1213: Deadlock found when trying to get lock; try restarting transaction (localhost)".
[10:08:04] <yannf>	what's the problem?
[10:08:56] <yannf>	however the page seems ok...
[10:16:24] <CIA-55>	03tstarling * r38129 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: No negative caching in the revision cache -- doesn't work anyway since memcached converts false to '', and so suppresses the error message on the second hit.
[10:17:50] <sentinel100>	wad is the difference in the go and the search button in mediawiki search?
[10:19:25] <Lady_Aleena>	Go will take you directly to the article if there is one, search will actually bring up a search results list.
[10:21:53] <Duesentrieb>	go also only looks for exact title matches
[10:21:55] <sentinel100>	:D
[10:22:03] <sentinel100>	can i remove go
[10:22:14] <Duesentrieb>	(where the meaning og "exact" depends on the engine and setup)
[10:22:28] <Duesentrieb>	sentinel100: not easily, but you can easily hide it using css, i guess
[10:22:56] <sentinel100>	and place only search? that way user can browse through the most relevant articles!
[10:23:00] <sentinel100>	and choose..
[10:23:05] <sentinel100>	which would be better?
[10:23:38] <sentinel100>	display:none would do the trick i believe!
[10:24:11] <sentinel100>	search and go may confuse the user! infact he would click go rather than search!
[10:24:17] <Agony>	Duesentrieb: only but is that when using CSS to hide "Go", triggers Enter still that (because it is search form default button)
[10:25:53] <Splarka>	think of it as google's "I'm feeling lucky"
[10:26:21] <sentinel100>	well if the article is not present then does go presents create page, rather could i make sure that if the article is not present.. give an option or creating the page and below a list of search results
[10:26:26] <sentinel100>	thats make alil sense!
[10:26:38] *Lady_Aleena 	prefers to go directly to the article, and if it is wrong, knows how to navigate to disambiguation pages. :)
[10:26:43] <Duesentrieb>	Agony: that's stupid... and probably depends on the browser. but, ugh :(
[10:27:29] *Duesentrieb 	usually edits urls
[10:28:02] <Lady_Aleena>	Duesentrieb, I'm too lazy to do that, just put the curser in the box and type what I want.
[10:28:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skin "Simple" is broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  +comment (10baard)
[10:28:07] <sentinel100>	i mean xyz==>go if present go to page else present user with 1. Create Page 2.Search results for xyz Can this be implemented?
[10:31:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skin "Simple" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  +comment (10stigmj)
[10:32:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on pt.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14254  +comment (10brian.mcneil)
[10:34:20] <Duesentrieb>	sentinel100: that's how it is on wikipedia, actually
[10:34:26] <Duesentrieb>	sentinel100: not sure how to configure it
[10:39:17] <Wyvernoid>	sentinel100: That's true for all wikis (provided you didn't hack)
[10:45:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skin "Simple" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  (10cbm)
[10:47:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) More information in hookaborted API error needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14261  +comment (10marco)
[11:01:18] <sentinel100>	:D nice... well dnt quite have much articles on my wiki :D
[11:01:32] <nnts>	hello, I'm planning to build a database of exercises for learning languages. I'd like to assign every drill values/categories like "difficutly" "experience required", user rating maybe, and many more
[11:01:35] <sentinel100>	ell havent hacked it so far.. so i believe its the way i want!
[11:01:39] <nnts>	later I'd like to be able to display all the items but sorted by any specified category in right order (highest to lowest), for example most difficult ones on top, newst ones on top with one click, etc
[11:01:43] <nnts>	question: is wikimedia the right software for this, can I use it for this purpose?
[11:04:16] <Duesentrieb>	nnts: no it is not. things like this can be done, but mediawiki is mainly designed for managing *text*, not data records
[11:07:12] <njathan>	Hi.. i am considering mediawiki for my organization. Is it possible to password protect each department's section in the wiki?
[11:07:48] <Duesentrieb>	njathan: yes/no/maybe
[11:08:21] <Duesentrieb>	njathan: mediawiki is not really designed for that, especially if you also want to restrict read access. things get easier if you use separate wikis.
[11:08:46] <Duesentrieb>	njathan: but there are wiki engines that are more aimed at this type of "corporate use".
[11:09:25] <njathan>	what do you recommend for this then?
[11:09:42] <Duesentrieb>	confluence and tikiwiki come to mind, but i have never used them much.
[11:09:43] <njathan>	mediawiki with some tweaks? or some other wiki s/w?
[11:10:13] <Duesentrieb>	well, *i* sould use mediawiki because i know it well and can bed it as i like :)
[11:10:18] <Duesentrieb>	but it's probably not the best choice.
[11:10:27] <Duesentrieb>	also think about if you really want a wiki at all
[11:10:27] <Duesentrieb>	!cms
[11:10:27] --mwbot--	Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[11:11:13] <Duesentrieb>	also:
[11:11:15] <Duesentrieb>	!compare
[11:11:15] --mwbot--	For a comparison of wiki software, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software> and <http://www.wikimatrix.org/>
[11:11:54] <Duesentrieb>	oh, and of course:
[11:11:56] <Duesentrieb>	!access
[11:11:56] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[11:13:07] <njathan>	Thanks!! i'll have a look at these resources
[11:31:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SQLException while loading spanish dump - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14958 04BLOCKER; normal; mwdumper: general; (jymj2002)
[11:32:50] <Agony>	Does anyone happen to know how to make with &preload true <noinclude>? I should categorize template which is used with preload but I'm unable to add category because <noinclude>[[Category:Something]]</noinclude> is inherited via preload...
[11:35:33] <Duesentrieb>	well, preloading is not a transclusion.
[11:35:43] <Duesentrieb>	but it could arguable be treated that way.
[11:35:57] <Duesentrieb>	resp??ecting noinlude/includeonly/onlyinclude there would be kind of nice
[11:36:12] <Duesentrieb>	Agony: perhaps file a feature request. don't hold your breath though
[11:37:48] <Agony>	Duesentrieb: first I thought I trigger category with {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}} | {{ns:10}} | [[Category:Something]] }} but this text inherits also (even though it disappear after first save but still mix things up)
[11:38:01] <nnts>	< Duesentrieb> [..] mediawiki is mainly designed for managing *text*, not data records <-- well those would be just simple categories, wouldn't be that many. the main part would be just plain text.
[11:38:09] <Duesentrieb>	afaik *no* processing is performed for preload
[11:38:09] <nnts>	Duesentrieb:  The most important thing I want to know is whether or not wikimedia allows sorting articles based on some criteria, with a nice list from top to bottom, whether or not it's doable.
[11:38:15] <Duesentrieb>	the text is simply loaded
[11:38:30] <Duesentrieb>	nnts: mediawiki proper doesn'
[11:38:34] <Duesentrieb>	err, doesn't
[11:38:51] <Duesentrieb>	there are some extensions that allow things like that, more or less elegantly or securely
[11:38:58] <Duesentrieb>	DPL is one, Wikidata another
[11:39:10] <Duesentrieb>	SemanticMediaWiki also
[11:39:13] <nnts>	Duesentrieb: oh I see, any advices on what wiki-mod or other software I should use for this purpose?
[11:39:16] <nnts>	oh ok
[11:39:28] <Duesentrieb>	i'd look for something more specialized though
[11:39:47] <nnts>	So DPL, Wikidata and SemanticMediawiki have that functionality built in?
[11:40:07] <nnts>	yeah I know, but I like the wiki system/format :)
[11:40:13] <Duesentrieb>	yes, in one way or the other
[11:40:26] <Duesentrieb>	nnts: btw, look at  http://inglua.com/ - maybe just join them :)
[11:40:51] <nnts>	Duesentrieb: will check, thanks for the advice!
[11:41:26] <Duesentrieb>	np
[11:41:39] <Duesentrieb>	here'S the meta info on that site: http://blog.mdemare.info/about/
[11:45:55] <nnts>	ok thanks again bbl
[11:55:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skins "Simple" and "Modern" are broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  summary (10baard)
[11:55:56] <CIA-55>	03tstarling * r38130 10/trunk/pybal2/: An LVS monitor that's a bit like pybal
[12:11:59] <cirwin>	would it be possible to get a hook like ParserBeforeStrip but that only triggers when the actual page text is being parsed?
[12:22:59] <Darkoneko>	hello, ladies and gentlemen
[12:23:07] <cirwin>	hello
[12:23:53] <Darkoneko>	I was wondering if an "redirect to login page" option, for when anonymous tries to access seomthing he doesn't has right to, exists
[12:24:23] <Darkoneko>	I've yet to find anything related to that on mw.org
[12:24:30] <cirwin>	sounds useful
[12:24:34] <cirwin>	but I've not seen one
[12:24:35] <Darkoneko>	so before coding one myself, I prefer to be sure :)
[12:25:16] <cirwin>	fair enough
[12:34:01] <CIA-55>	03tstarling * r38131 10/trunk/pybal2/: Maybe not needed after all
[12:37:57] <Darkoneko>	hmmm... is there, by any chances, a hook of some sort called when userCan returns false ?
[12:38:41] <PupUser38fae7>	????????????
[12:39:52] <Darkoneko>	Oo;
[12:40:41] <balasyum>	shouldn't we make mediawiki able to category rename?
[12:42:38] <Darkoneko>	why ?
[12:43:02] <balasyum>	people sometimes complain
[12:43:11] <balasyum>	and it would be useful, wouldn't it?
[12:43:29] <Darkoneko>	true. Usually, it's done by a bot
[12:43:30] <^demon>	balasyum: Someone's working on a branch for it.
[12:43:38] <Darkoneko>	oh ?
[12:43:44] <MaxSem>	NicDumZ, to be specific ;)
[12:43:54] <NicDumZ>	:)
[12:43:55] <Darkoneko>	oooh :)
[12:43:56] <balasyum>	ow
[12:44:06] <Darkoneko>	NicDumZ: I'll have questions for you later, then :)
[12:44:19] <NicDumZ>	why not just now ? :)
[12:44:40] <Darkoneko>	because I'm at work, so I'd rather concentrate on my current problem
[12:44:46] <Shiroi_Neko>	TimStarling
[12:45:03] <Shiroi_Neko>	do you think you can increase the special:double redirect's size to 5000 ?
[12:45:09] <NicDumZ>	'kay then :)
[12:45:17] <Shiroi_Neko>	despite your script there seems to be a lot of left overs
[12:45:23] <Darkoneko>	(aka redirecting to the login page when a not identified try to access something)
[12:49:42] *Darkoneko 	sigh
[12:49:54] <Darkoneko>	there's no hook, for that, is it ?
[12:55:29] <LolliRock>	Hi!
[12:55:29] <LolliRock>	I'd like to know how to edit the <description> meta tag for the main page only
[12:59:11] <^demon>	Darkoneko: To control behavior post-userCan on failure? Not as far as I know.
[12:59:22] <Darkoneko>	hmm :(
[12:59:38] <Darkoneko>	I'll have to edit OutputPage:loginToUse() then
[13:01:05] <LolliRock>	mmmh.. how to edit the <description> meta tag for the main page only?
[13:01:24] <Darkoneko>	LolliRock: I'm not sure to understand the question, please reformulate :)
[13:02:26] <Darkoneko>	a <meta .... ="description">, the one in the <head>..</head> ? ?
[13:02:41] <LolliRock>	yes but ithat will modify all the pages
[13:02:53] <LolliRock>	i'd like to modify only the main page
[13:03:08] <Darkoneko>	uuh
[13:03:57] <LolliRock>	pheraps with some lines in coomn.css ?
[13:04:05] <LolliRock>	common.css*
[13:05:04] <Darkoneko>	CSS is supposed to only affect page rendering, not change it's text
[13:05:23] <LolliRock>	mmh..
[13:05:49] <Darkoneko>	I'd suggest javascript, but if it's for google indexation it won't do what you want
[13:07:40] <LolliRock>	it's for a better indexeation cause if I search my wiki in google the description is something like: "[{{fullurl:{{{link}}}|action=edit}} ...."
[13:07:47] <LolliRock>	it's horrible
[13:09:26] <Darkoneko>	wow, indeed
[13:09:27] <Werdna>	we should probably fix up our descriptions
[13:09:37] <Werdna>	currently, I think we use the first X chars of wikitext
[13:09:52] <Werdna>	so, insert some description in the first X chars of wikitext, maybe in an XHTML comment
[13:10:29] <LolliRock>	mmh... i haven't undestood...
[13:10:36] <LolliRock>	what's X chars??
[13:10:53] <Darkoneko>	an undertermined number of char
[13:10:55] <Darkoneko>	100; 200
[13:11:05] <Darkoneko>	which is apparently put "as is" as the description
[13:11:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension: "Upload To Wikimedia Commons Tab" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14957  (10innocentkiller)
[13:11:13] <Darkoneko>	(in syntax mode ?)
[13:11:59] <LolliRock>	mmh.. so adding some lines of text (also as a comment, you say?) Google will index those lines as description?
[13:12:14] <Darkoneko>	well, it's worth a try
[13:12:20] <Darkoneko>	wait
[13:12:34] <Darkoneko>	it's not about google, it's about how the wiki generate the description
[13:12:44] <Darkoneko>	well it's the end it's similar, I admit :)
[13:12:45] <LolliRock>	ah..
[13:12:57] <LolliRock>	ok.. i'm going to edit my monobook.css
[13:12:59] <LolliRock>	:)
[13:13:05] <LolliRock>	no .css
[13:13:06] <LolliRock>	.php
[13:13:10] <LolliRock>	:P
[13:13:47] <Darkoneko>	a basic if title == xxx then put that description ?
[13:15:43] <LolliRock>	i'm going to add my description below the first lines.. right?
[13:15:44] <LolliRock>	 * MonoBook nouveau
[13:15:45] <LolliRock>	 *
[13:15:45] <LolliRock>	 * Translated from gwicke's previous TAL template version to remove
[13:15:45] <LolliRock>	 * dependency on PHPTAL.
[13:18:25] <Papertiger>	hi all is it possible to disable subcategory listing on category pages?
[13:22:43] <MarkusK>	I encounter a strange rare effect on current MediaWiki/SVN: using wfMessageForContent with a message including {{SITENAME}} during parsing prevents UNIQ... substitution for non logged-in users.
[13:23:05] <MarkusK>	In effect, users see UNIQ... tags where things like <nowiki> were used
[13:23:26] <MarkusK>	I can track down the bug to the use of one message with {{SITENAME}} in it
[13:23:44] <MarkusK>	it goes away if I use another message (same parameter count) without SITENAME
[13:24:18] <MarkusK>	but it is reproducible with multiple different messages as long as SITENAME is used
[13:24:26] <MarkusK>	any insights would be appreciated
[13:24:54] <MarkusK>	in "preview" mode, the page looks fine, only after action=purge can the problem be seen
[13:25:44] <MarkusK>	I will try to isolate the error further, but maybe someone encountered similar UNIQs in recent MWs ...
[13:29:52] <MaxSem>	MarkusK, it's already reported on bugzilla
[13:30:10] <MarkusK>	ah, ok; I also found a three liner to reproduce
[13:30:15] <MarkusK>	thanks
[13:30:41] <MarkusK>	do you have the bug number?
[13:31:06] <MaxSem>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14562
[13:32:09] <MarkusK>	This is not the same, I can reproduce it without using it in a function
[13:32:19] <MarkusK>	it may have the same cause, but it is different
[13:47:43] <Guido>	Hi, my hosts' server gives a max heap table size of 16MB. Can this have caused my database to crash, which has a table of about that size?
[13:54:00] <cirwin>	Guido: i wouldn't have thought so, but that's probably too low to run mediawiki
[13:57:40] <Guido>	Well, this is a forum database. My wiki is just starting, but if the forum already hits this...
[13:58:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) UNIQ... exposed to anonymous users when hook " InternalParseBeforeLinks" uses specific messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14959 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (markus)
[13:59:21] <MarkusK>	MaxSem, I now filed the bug with a detailed description
[14:00:50] <MaxSem>	yeah, that appears to be different
[14:04:20] <^demon>	MarkusK: What a very odd bug...I'm reading your report now.
[14:04:43] <MarkusK>	yes, I thought so too; changing the setupo slightly will no longer display the problem
[14:05:18] <MarkusK>	maybe some global setting is used internally in certain conditions
[14:05:28] <^demon>	Does it work with other magic words like {{numberofedits}}. or _only_ {{sitename}}?
[14:05:43] <MarkusK>	I will try ...
[14:05:47] <^demon>	(Rather, does it break with other magic words)
[14:07:40] <MarkusK>	indeed, it breaks for other magic words too
[14:08:03] <MarkusK>	I just tried the message 'grouppage-user' which contains {{ns:project}}
[14:08:54] <MarkusK>	the strange thing is that it does not occur when you are logged in or when you just edited the page, only after the next anonymous cache purge
[14:09:06] *^demon 	shrugs.
[14:09:41] <Schroeder2>	IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!
[14:13:00] <^demon>	MarkusK: I hate to say it, I can't reproduce on my local install....
[14:13:28] <MarkusK>	^demon, that is very sad news :-(
[14:13:44] <MarkusK>	but I have reproduced it on multiple sites and servers
[14:13:51] <^demon>	Windows too?
[14:13:54] <MarkusK>	no
[14:14:03] <MarkusK>	I have no Windows machine available
[14:14:27] <^demon>	I have Apache2 on Windows. I put the code you suggested into my localsettings, put in the suggested wikimarkup, logged out and purged cache. I got the expected output, not the UNIQ-QINU bug.
[14:14:44] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38132 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php: Localisation updates German
[14:15:06] <MarkusK>	strange, I will try further versions
[14:15:14] <^demon>	Ok, narrowed it down.
[14:15:24] <^demon>	Doesn't happen on default messages. If you've customized the MW message, it does.
[14:15:53] <MarkusK>	ah, so you could reproduce it now?
[14:15:58] <^demon>	Sort of.
[14:16:11] <MarkusK>	But my wikis are not using customised messages
[14:16:38] <^demon>	I followed your steps, didn't show. I then logged in, edited "Copyrightwarning2" so I had a version in the database (and not lang-file-only), went back to the test page, logged in, no purge, showed uniq error.
[14:17:14] <^demon>	Now it shows the error logged in or out.
[14:17:27] <MarkusK>	what an annoying little bug ...
[14:19:31] <^demon>	I really don't know what to say. Might want to poke someone who knows more than I ;-)
[14:20:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension: "Upload To Wikimedia Commons Tab" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14957  (10innocentkiller)
[14:22:19] <MarkusK>	^demon, as expected, I cannot at all reproduce it on MW 1.10; of cause the parser changed a lot since then
[14:22:28] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38133 10/trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates German
[14:22:52] <MarkusK>	I will add your observations to the report and see whether someone can contribute further insights
[14:23:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blank site after reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14960 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (ArtjomZab)
[14:26:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blank site after reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14960  (10maxsem.wiki)
[14:27:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) UNIQ... exposed to anonymous users when hook " InternalParseBeforeLinks" uses specific messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14959  (10markus)
[14:46:29] <Mayham>	Hi there....
[14:46:46] <Mayham>	I've got a question about a problem we faced last night with our mediawiki installation
[14:47:21] <Mayham>	Default logrotate broke it somehow. Page showed part of the apache config file and php code. 
[14:47:57] <Mayham>	(I know this is not a apache thing but since it only happens on our mediawiki installation server I thought it might be mediawiki related)
[14:48:30] <Mayham>	Has anyone every experienced this stange behaviour?
[14:54:35] <Duesentrieb>	Mayham: something (tm) demaged php files. restore to good copies
[14:55:00] <Duesentrieb>	Mayham: pages showing part of the *apache*config file is really scary though
[14:55:19] <Duesentrieb>	Mayham: alternative reason could be a broken byte code cache. try disabling it and/or restarting apache
[15:01:34] <Arbe>	hey guys
[15:01:37] <Arbe>	quick question
[15:01:52] <Arbe>	actually don't worry
[15:02:02] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[15:02:03] <Darkoneko>	...
[15:02:25] <cirwin>	that was quick
[15:02:38] <Darkoneko>	that looked like a geek joke
[15:04:33] <^demon>	Or he figured out his problem before we could reply :-P
[15:05:10] <Okino>	Hello, all.
[15:05:25] <cirwin>	Hello Okine
[15:05:26] <Darkoneko>	(all) Hello, Okino
[15:05:27] <cirwin>	Okino
[15:05:38] <Darkoneko>	hello all :)
[15:05:45] <cirwin>	:)
[15:06:37] <Okino>	Don't you know whether anything happened to Modern skin css (or what)? The infoboxes on all projects in this skin are now locked to left above the text instead of being on right side by side to the text...
[15:07:04] <Darkoneko>	there are people using other things than monobook Oo;
[15:07:44] <cirwin>	we should disable the other skins
[15:07:52] <cirwin>	they make javascript and css a pain
[15:09:52] <MaxSem>	Okino, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954
[15:10:34] <Simetrical>	Probably r38116.
[15:11:02] <MaxSem>	rvv?
[15:11:06] <Darkoneko>	is there  a software var to forbid access to some special pages to non admin  (without inserting an userCan hook function)
[15:11:12] <Darkoneko>	?
[15:11:20] <Simetrical>	Darkoneko, which special pages?
[15:11:28] <Simetrical>	MaxSem, not healthy for me to revert brion.  :P
[15:12:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skins "Simple" and "Modern" are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:12:37] <Darkoneko>	simetrical special:log
[15:12:57] *MaxSem 	blames IPhone
[15:16:05] <Simetrical>	Darkoneko, no, you can't do that without a hack of some kind.
[15:16:17] <Darkoneko>	hmm, userCan it is, then :)
[15:20:10] <Okino>	Well, anyway, I will be very glad if anyone manages to repair it. Thanks a lot.
[15:20:40] <Simetrical>	Okino, it'll happen today, probably.
[15:21:15] <MaxSem>	oh, it's only 8:19 in SF...
[15:21:31] <Darkoneko>	aw, 5:20 pm here
[15:25:35] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical, would you be able to explain me why cat_pages (total number of category members) seems so unreliable ? :)
[15:25:40] <NicDumZ>	I see lot of checks in code
[15:25:59] <NicDumZ>	for bogus values; also it is never trusted to give the exact figure...
[15:26:02] <NicDumZ>	why ? :)
[15:26:15] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, I wish I knew.  I suppose it might be because we're not using enough FOR UPDATE and so on, but that causes deadlocking if you aren't careful.  Basically, it just isn't reliable.
[15:26:29] <Simetrical>	This kind of count seems to never be really reliable.  I don't know why.
[15:26:44] <NicDumZ>	okay. next question then :)
[15:27:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skins "Simple" and "Modern" are broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  +comment (10wiki.bugzilla)
[15:27:14] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: Do you think I would be allowed create a seperate class for the category itteration thing? It could be useful to provide several methods and having some private ones to avoid code duplication.
[15:27:17] <NicDumZ>	the good idea with category redirects, is to include into cat_pages the pages members of the category through a category redirect
[15:27:42] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, what do you mean?  What sort of class would this be?
[15:28:24] <NicDumZ>	and anyway, adding all the cat_pages of the category redirects to get the total count of all pages in a the target category is a no no
[15:28:38] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: Well you would be able to instanciate a class, then you could either itterate through one by one using a getNext() function or get an array using a function that can specify a limit and an offset.
[15:29:25] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, doesn't sound like a great idea.  You want to specify what categories you want up front.  That way you can get them all in one query.
[15:29:30] <Arbe>	okay
[15:29:32] <Arbe>	so
[15:29:38] <Arbe>	now i really do have a question
[15:29:41] <Arbe>	how do i add a new theme to a MediaWiki?
[15:29:51] <Simetrical>	!skins | Arbe 
[15:29:51] --mwbot--	Arbe: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[15:30:03] <Arbe>	haha. thanks.
[15:30:04] <NicDumZ>	So Simetrical if A redirects to B, when A is added to a page, I'll add 1 to A' cat_pages and 1 to B' cat_pages, and so on
[15:30:34] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: I meean like $cat = new CategoryList( $name ); while( $title = $cat->getNext(); } - obviously much better thought out and with proper static constructors and the like, but on that line.
[15:31:08] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, first of all, while( $title = $cat->getNext() ) is ugly.  You can use iterators so it looks like foreach( $cat as $title ).
[15:31:35] <MinuteElectron>	ok, I will do that
[15:31:46] <Arbe>	because how attractive code is obviously is relevant D:
[15:31:47] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, second of all, you want to have the limit/offset in the constructor.  That way you can guarantee in advance how many are needed.  So $cat = new CategoryList( $name, $limit, $offset ).
[15:31:57] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, but this makes it identical to a TitleArray, so just use that instead.
[15:32:01] <Simetrical>	As I said before.
[15:32:37] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[15:35:10] <NicDumZ>	so, if a page contains both A AND B, if the page is deleted we want to remove -1 to A' cat_pages, and -2 to B' cat_pages (inline inclusion, and inclusion via redirect). However I see no way of conveniently removing -X (x<>1) to a cat_pages. The nice query was "update category set cat_pages = cat_pages -1 where ...." ; so I'm wondering if I can basically ignore these "rare" cases : just make all cat_pages = cat_pages -1 ; knowing that I'm introducing 
[15:35:10] <NicDumZ>	a small offset in some rare cases
[15:35:27] <nharriague>	I?m new to mediawiki and I want to use a wiki to hold the documentation of a software my company develops.  
[15:36:54] <nharriague>	the thing is: how can I manage documentation to different releases of the same software? some pages are the same... some change between releases (and i dont want to repeate the pages that are common to the releases) Is this the place to ask for help? :) Hola a todos :)
[15:38:16] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, what do you mean "-X (x <> 1) to a cat_pages"?
[15:38:27] <CIA-55>	03mkroetzsch * r38134 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/skins/SMW_tooltip.js: incorporated function for closing all tooltips (useful for some extensions, e.g. Halo, but little code)
[15:38:34] <NicDumZ>	cat_pages = cat_pages - X
[15:38:37] <NicDumZ>	sorry
[15:39:18] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: So there isn't any point in me implementing this as a function then?
[15:39:34] <Simetrical>	nharriague, you can use templates for the pages that don't change between releases.  If you have a page "Widget docs (version 1.2)", then you can start off "Widget docs (version 1.3)" with the text {{:Widget docs (version 1.2)}}, which just includes that page unchanged.  But if you make a single change, that doesn't work, you have to copy everything.
[15:40:06] <Simetrical>	nharriague, I think you're really looking for some nice clean way of maintaining branches, like in git or whatever.  MediaWiki doesn't really have that.
[15:40:28] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, just return a TitleArray, is my advice.  Exactly like how you were formerly returning an array of Titles, but now just return a TitleArray instead.
[15:40:55] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical, without category redirects : for each removed category, "update category set cat_pages = cat_pages -1". However I can't use it anymore now since I would need to substract, let's say 2 from some cat_pages
[15:41:08] <^demon>	Arbe: Ugly code is hard to read and maintain :-P
[15:41:08] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, I think I see the issue, yes.
[15:41:31] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38135 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 
[15:41:31] <CIA-55>	* Add a few CSS ids to allow customization of warning messages
[15:41:31] <CIA-55>	* Apply formatNum to $wgMaxArticleSize too
[15:41:40] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: Yeah, that sounds reasonable, but can you give me some advice as to where my funciton will belong?
[15:42:08] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, which function?  It should be just like in the patch you submitted, Category::getMembers() or whatever you want to call it.
[15:42:23] <MinuteElectron>	oh right ok
[15:42:29] <MinuteElectron>	thank you =]
[15:42:33] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, your implementation has it so that if A redirects to B, and [[X]] contains "[[Category:A]]", then cat_pages of both A and B will increase?
[15:42:44] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical, in the other hand, including both a category redirect and its target in a single article seems... rare
[15:42:49] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, if it contains "[[Category:A]][[Category:B]]", will cat_pages of B increase by one or two?
[15:42:57] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical, I thought that it was the best way, yes
[15:43:06] <NicDumZ>	I'd like it to increase by two
[15:43:12] <Simetrical>	That doesn't seem to make sense.
[15:43:20] <Simetrical>	It's not going to show up twice in the category listing, is it?
[15:43:20] <NicDumZ>	okay, explain me :p
[15:43:37] <Simetrical>	If cat_pages = 2, then there should be two distinct pages in the category.
[15:44:16] <NicDumZ>	right, you're totally right.
[15:45:16] <NicDumZ>	yes, obviously, I need to update the count for pages in B minus A, but I dont care for others since they are already in B
[15:45:30] <NicDumZ>	A minus B *
[15:45:49] <NicDumZ>	and it solves the whole problem.
[15:46:59] <NicDumZ>	well, thanks a lot Simetrical, it may sound simple for you, but I couldnt find a way out ;)
[15:48:26] <NicDumZ>	ah, no.
[15:48:41] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical, remove only one of the categories from the article
[15:48:59] <Simetrical>	Yes, that's the new issue.
[15:49:02] <NicDumZ>	:)
[15:49:09] <Simetrical>	You've complicated the meaning of cat_pages and have to deal with that.  :)
[15:49:52] <NicDumZ>	hehe... tricky, tricky.
[15:49:57] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38136 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Deprecate SiteStats::admins() in favor of SiteStats::numberingroup('sysop'). Should make bug 13471 easy.
[15:50:01] <Simetrical>	When you create a redirect, you'll have to do some left joins to eliminate the shared rows, if you want to update cat_pages.
[15:50:23] <Simetrical>	Mind, updating cat_pages is going to be fairly expensive if you want to do this at all.
[15:50:31] <Simetrical>	For large enough categories.
[15:50:33] <Simetrical>	(But not too expensive.)
[15:50:50] <Simetrical>	The simplest way would be to just not add the cat_pages at all.
[15:50:53] <Simetrical>	But that's unsatisfactory.
[15:52:13] <Shiroi_Neko>	I have pages? :)
[15:52:36] <Shiroi_Neko>	yeah categories are a bit useless as is now
[15:52:44] <Shiroi_Neko>	smeantic stuff can do wonders
[15:54:34] <nharriague>	I want to do something similar to mediawiki.org (with main, help, manual, extensions...) but I also need (if possible) to manage different releases of the software ... maybe something similar to Language Templates but for releases... you say that will not work with mediawiki? (the problem with language templates is that there are no pages common to different languages as i need with the releases) Any suggestion? (sorry to ask again, want to be sure
[15:55:19] <Simetrical>	When creating the redirect 123 -> 456: $add_count = (SELECT cat_pages FROM category WHERE cat_id=123) - (SELECT COUNT(*) FROM categorylinks AS sourcecl JOIN categorylinks AS targetcl ON sourcecl.cl_from=targetcl.cl_from WHERE sourcecl.cl_to=123 AND targetcl.cl_to=456)
[15:55:37] <cirwin>	nharriague: use prefixes for the different versions
[15:55:40] <Simetrical>	Something like that should work to get the correct value to add to cat_pages for 456, I think.
[15:55:42] <cirwin>	and where they are the same
[15:55:51] <Simetrical>	Alternatively, you could always just recalculate cat_pages from scratch in this case.
[15:55:59] <cirwin>	include the version for the old page in the new page
[15:56:05] <Shiroi_Neko>	Simetrical is this to merge two categories for a result?
[15:56:15] <Simetrical>	Shiroi_Neko, no.  Category redirects.
[15:56:27] <Shiroi_Neko>	ew
[15:56:30] <Shiroi_Neko>	those are annoying
[15:56:32] <Simetrical>	You'd still have to do some fancy stuff to actually recompute the cat_pages value, actually.
[15:56:39] <Simetrical>	Shiroi_Neko, the point is they shouldn't be.
[15:56:46] *Shiroi_Neko 	sobs
[15:56:56] <Shiroi_Neko>	if there is one redirect yes
[15:56:58] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, how about you just ignore cat_pages for now?  That can be handled later.
[15:57:02] <Shiroi_Neko>	but if there are hundereds no
[15:57:24] <Simetrical>	It seems like it would take some thought.
[15:57:40] <Simetrical>	For now you can just leave cat_pages as representing the number of actual direct inclusions, which is less useful, but . . .
[15:57:54] <NicDumZ>	easier :)
[15:58:08] <NicDumZ>	actually, if I make it this way, I'm nearly done
[15:58:41] <NicDumZ>	I need to test all the use cases
[15:58:43] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38137 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php: Localisation updates German
[15:58:58] <NicDumZ>	and.. yes, I'm done
[16:02:58] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38138 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/stats.php: Fail a little more gracefully if memcached returns nothing (get a bunch of fun divide by zero errors otherwise :)
[16:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Add methods for getting an array of titles from a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14923  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[16:06:09] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: I have updated the bug report with the revised version, as you can probably see.
[16:12:44] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, will look.
[16:13:12] <MinuteElectron>	Thanks. =]
[16:14:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image hotlinking from squatted domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14829  (10N/A)
[16:17:34] <RoyK>	Hi. The "Canon EOS Digital SLR Timeline" table at the bottom of this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS - I can't find it when in edit mode.. Any idea where to go?
[16:18:19] <NicDumZ>	RoyK, look at {{Canon DSLR cameras}}
[16:18:24] <NicDumZ>	it's a template inclusion
[16:18:52] <NicDumZ>	RoyK, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canon_DSLR_cameras
[16:21:31] <RoyK>	NicDumZ: thanks
[16:31:34] <[KrusheR]>	wussap
[16:33:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add methods for getting an array of titles from a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14923  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:35:22] <Darkoneko>	that's a bit off topic, but did you know many "knol" are verbatim copies of wikipedia, often still using the pictures they had on commons ? :)
[16:36:10] <Darkoneko>	that or copy of other websites
[16:42:29] <Darkoneko>	hmm, time to leave work
[16:42:31] <Darkoneko>	babai
[16:44:41] <FunctorSalad>	hi
[16:45:06] <FunctorSalad>	the wikipedia editing help doesn't seem to have the syntax for explicitly coloring text (don't worry, it's not for wikipedia ;))
[16:45:18] <valan47>	what file does the password hashing and adding new users to db take place in?
[16:46:17] <Lars_G>	Quick question. In an infobox, how can I group two data elements inside a single (double row?) label element?
[16:46:49] <FunctorSalad>	in case that sentence was too awkward, my question is: how do I set the text color? ;)
[16:51:27] <cirwin>	FunctorSalad: use <font color="blue">blue</font>
[16:51:48] <cirwin>	or <span style="color: #0000FF">blue</span>
[16:51:55] <cirwin>	or any other way of doing it in html
[16:52:00] <FunctorSalad>	cirwin: thanks
[16:52:00] <cirwin>	best to wrap that inside a templaet
[16:53:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) importdump.php regular expression is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14961 major; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (radek.marik)
[16:54:20] <CIA-55>	03ialex * r38139 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[16:54:20] <CIA-55>	Some tweaks for r38116:
[16:54:20] <CIA-55>	* Ported Modern too, MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Modern.css are missing in that skin
[16:54:20] <CIA-55>	* Don't throw E_NOTICE if $wgUseSiteCss is false
[16:54:20] <CIA-55>	Also prettify two things:
[16:54:20] <CIA-55>	* Align <head> items at two tabs for SkinTemplate skins
[16:54:22] <CIA-55>	* Use an array for query string for MediaWiki:Common.css, MediaWiki:<skin>.css and gen=css
[17:08:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: UncategorizedCategories should optionally ignore hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14962 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (mediawiki)
[17:08:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add methods for getting an array of titles from a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14923  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[17:09:58] <brion>	good moooorrrning all
[17:10:08] <balasyum>	morning, brion 
[17:10:45] <Nikerabbit>	evening!
[17:10:57] <^demon>	Timezone!
[17:11:16] *Nikerabbit 	gives brion a strawberry
[17:11:57] <brion>	num num
[17:12:31] <Nikerabbit>	ewww there is a snail in one of these
[17:12:42] <brion>	quick! douse it with garlic and butter
[17:13:02] <Nikerabbit>	rubbed it off already
[17:19:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) importdump.php regular expression is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14961  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:19:51] *Shiroi_Neko 	douses brion with farlic and butter
[17:20:09] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion do you tnk you can increase the double redirect queue by 4000 to 5000?
[17:20:14] <VasilievVV>	brion: why have you reverted r37975? It was already working for two days with applied schema changes and was already in use when you reverted it
[17:20:18] <Shiroi_Neko>	1000 just doesnt quite cut it
[17:20:42] <Shiroi_Neko>	good morning brion
[17:20:50] <Shiroi_Neko>	though its 20:20pm here
[17:22:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Don't show box for default case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14697  +comment (10pbirken)
[17:30:40] <TheWoozle>	The MW1.12 feed generator seems to be putting in a blank line before the first XML line, which FireFox 3 doesn't like. Any fixes for this? The extra line is buried somewhere, possibly in the output generator...
[17:35:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show name of changed templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14963 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[17:48:25] <psykidellic>	Hi. Does anybody have a good suggestion for similary style template for both mediawiki and wordpress?
[17:57:52] <brion>	VasilievVV: remind me which one that is?
[17:58:16] <VasilievVV>	brion: CentralAuth/WikiSet.php and family
[17:58:20] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion will you adress my request?
[17:58:52] <brion>	VasilievVV: was the update logged? i don't recall seeing anything about it
[17:59:34] <VasilievVV>	brion: no ideas. But it actually worked
[17:59:40] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion Gonzalesacitis?
[18:00:12] <VasilievVV>	brion: it was around r38000
[18:00:19] <brion>	VasilievVV: well, i tend to discourage schema updates without telling anybody :)
[18:00:25] <brion>	i'll look it over in a bit
[18:00:34] *Shiroi_Neko 	wonders if it got any attention
[18:00:50] *Shiroi_Neko 	can phisicaly occupy your screen :P
[18:00:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create an option to toggle gallery mode on/ off for image special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14964 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (charitwo)
[18:03:54] <brion>	TheWoozle: this usually means either a file you edited (usually LocalSettings.php) or a file from an extension has extra blank lines at the end of the file
[18:04:16] <christophe59500>	hi
[18:04:21] <TheWoozle>	Thanks, brion -- will investigate that lead...
[18:04:36] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion are you ignoring me?/
[18:04:49] <Shiroi_Neko>	at a minimum give a one letter answer
[18:04:56] <Shiroi_Neko>	geeez
[18:04:59] <christophe59500>	i need some help to mediawiki
[18:05:06] <christophe59500>	i newbies
[18:07:32] <brion>	Shiroi_Neko: what's up?
[18:07:46] <TheWoozle>	brion: Is it a good idea to leave off the final ?> in order to avoid this? Or does that even help?
[18:07:57] <Shiroi_Neko>	-_-;
[18:08:10] <Shiroi_Neko>	I asked you if you could increase the double redirect queue to 5000
[18:08:15] <Shiroi_Neko>	its 1000 right now
[18:08:21] <Shiroi_Neko>	1000 entries is too short
[18:08:25] <brion>	TheWoozle: it helps, i suppose. :) we usually drop it off in current code for this reason
[18:08:40] *TheWoozle 	nods and checks files
[18:08:47] <balasyum>	!ask | christophe59500 
[18:08:47] --mwbot--	christophe59500: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:08:48] <brion>	sometimes you can still end up with extra space at the start of the file though, particularly if an editor adds a unicode BOM character
[18:09:05] <brion>	Shiroi_Neko: not sure what that means
[18:09:28] <Shiroi_Neko>	special double:redirects returns 1000 entries
[18:09:28] <Shiroi_Neko>	no more
[18:09:31] <Shiroi_Neko>	thats too short
[18:09:39] <christophe59500>	mwbot balasyum ok, i want to modify MediaWiki:Sidebar but, what is the account for admin ?
[18:10:12] <balasyum>	the one you set when you installed mediawiki
[18:11:04] <christophe59500>	balasyum ok
[18:12:04] <christophe59500>	balasyum how i can see the user ?
[18:12:05] <brion>	ah i see what you mean
[18:12:17] <Shiroi_Neko>	wheeee!
[18:12:20] <Shiroi_Neko>	:)
[18:12:33] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion there is a small pileup at the moment
[18:12:40] <Shiroi_Neko>	tims bot takes care of bulk of the work
[18:12:44] <Shiroi_Neko>	thats 6000ish edits
[18:12:54] <Shiroi_Neko>	the leftover is more than 1000
[18:12:59] <Shiroi_Neko>	double redirects are a pain
[18:13:12] <Shiroi_Neko>	in adition I an not very happy with the localisation
[18:13:23] <balasyum>	christophe59500, try Special:Listusers
[18:13:30] <christophe59500>	balasyum ok
[18:13:38] <Shiroi_Neko>	I'd prefer a single bot name
[18:13:39] <Shiroi_Neko>	a sulled account
[18:13:39] <Shiroi_Neko>	that way I can follow the bots edits more easily
[18:13:52] <christophe59500>	balasyum i see it thanks
[18:14:03] <balasyum>	you're welcome, christophe59500 
[18:14:22] <christophe59500>	balasyum :)
[18:15:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add methods for getting an array of titles from a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14923  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:17:16] <christophe59500>	And i want to take an image, but where is the directory for this image ?
[18:17:23] <^demon>	brion: You commie hippie :-P
[18:17:33] <christophe59500>	image -> picture
[18:18:00] <^demon>	!uploads | christophe59500
[18:18:00] --mwbot--	christophe59500: File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[18:18:31] <christophe59500>	^demon mwbot ok, i go to see it
[18:20:23] <^demon>	Hope it helps :-)
[18:34:48] <CIA-55>	03ialex * r38140 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-core.php): Added $wgHandheldStyle and $wgHandheldForIPhone
[18:36:37] <christophe59500>	i test it with gif, but it don't run, but jpg it run
[18:40:47] <Lars_G>	Hi again
[18:41:07] <Lars_G>	In a scale of 1 to 10 how hard do you think it'd be to upgrade a live wiki from 1.7 to 1.12?
[18:44:21] <will_hough>	Good afternoon
[18:44:43] <will_hough>	Where is the [edit] link defined?
[18:45:14] <ialex>	in headers?
[18:45:35] <will_hough>	in the sections
[18:47:23] <ialex>	includes/Linker.php
[18:47:38] <ialex>	Linker::editSectionLink()
[18:49:42] <brion>	^demon: SiteStats:;admins() should be cached in site_stats table
[18:49:53] <brion>	is there a performance implication to skipping that?
[18:50:13] <ialex>	iirc, it wasn't cached
[18:50:28] <^demon>	brion: It's not
[18:50:43] <^demon>	I looked into it, and ss_admins never seems to get updated.
[18:50:50] <brion>	       ss_admins: 1
[18:51:06] <brion>	       ss_admins: 496 <- on enwiki
[18:51:09] <brion>	something updates it...
[18:51:14] <Simetrical>	Actual number of admins: way higher.
[18:51:14] <^demon>	Not often ;-)
[18:51:22] <brion>	hmm, maybe jus tthe bulk
[18:51:47] <Simetrical>	Well, nobody's noticed so far that {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} is scanning a couple thousand rows every time.
[18:52:06] <brion>	heh
[18:52:25] <ialex>	should the site_stats table should be change to have one row per stat?
[18:52:32] <ialex>	so that it can be extensible
[18:53:19] <brion>	yeah i guess the column wasn't being used
[18:53:20] <brion>	weird :)
[18:53:36] <brion>	go ahead and mark it as obsolete in the schema file maybe
[18:55:08] <brion>	wtf cssWalkCallback ?
[18:57:03] <ialex>	for array_walk()
[18:57:14] <brion>	why?
[18:57:44] <brion>	it seems like an odd thing to create a new function that duplicates wfArrayToCgi() with a distinction that's utterly unnecessary
[18:58:16] <ialex>	wfArrayToCGI escapes the /
[18:58:24] <ialex>	will it still work=
[18:58:29] <ialex>	s/=/?
[18:58:34] <brion>	what / ?
[18:58:44] <ialex>	ctype=text/css
[18:58:49] <brion>	yes that's fine
[18:58:58] <ialex>	will change it
[19:02:02] <will_hough>	ialex: Thank you
[19:02:44] <^demon>	brion: If ss_admins is obsolete, can the check for it (in SiteStats::isSane()) be removed if it's basically more or less useless?
[19:02:53] <CIA-55>	03minuteelectron * r38141 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Category.php: * (bug 14923) Add method for getting a TitleArray for a particular category.
[19:03:10] <will_hough>	Is there a rather easy way to change that from test to an image?
[19:04:52] <CIA-55>	03minuteelectron * r38142 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: * Method now added to core (but with different name), uncommented temporary work around.
[19:05:48] <TheWoozle>	brion: it was a blank line which got in at the *top* of an extension somehow. Just for future diagnoses :-)
[19:05:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add methods for getting an array of titles from a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14923  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[19:09:50] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38143 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/Simple.php): 
[19:09:50] <CIA-55>	* (bug 14954) Fix regression in Modern and Simple skins
[19:09:50] <CIA-55>	Earlier r38139 patched up Modern, but didn't address Simple.
[19:10:26] <CIA-55>	03ialex * r38144 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: * Per talk with brion, use wfArrayToCGI()\n* Avoid blank lines between CSS <link>
[19:10:47] <ialex>	oops
[19:10:53] <ialex>	\n doesn't work :)
[19:11:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Skins "Simple" and "Modern" are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  +comment (10brion)
[19:11:11] <CIA-55>	03nicdumz * r38145 10/branches/category-redirects/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:11:11] <CIA-55>	Partial revert of previous revision :
[19:11:12] <CIA-55>	* Removing cat_redir_pages
[19:11:12] <CIA-55>	* Count only direct category inclusions
[19:11:31] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: -m is bad :)
[19:11:54] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, typing it in the editor means it gets lost if there's a conflict.  :(
[19:12:02] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: how many times did you say this? :D
[19:12:25] <Simetrical>	Also, I tend to start typing it out, Ctrl-C, do a diff or otherwise look at something, and copy-paste from the half-finished input to continue.
[19:12:31] <Simetrical>	I guess I could use a new tab for that, though.
[19:12:43] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: nope, the message is saved if commit fails
[19:12:52] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical, my svn saves the tmp commit message
[19:13:11] <Simetrical>	Hmm, didn't know that.
[19:13:15] <Simetrical>	Oh well, I like -m anyway.
[19:13:19] <Simetrical>	Just have to remember escaping.
[19:13:24] <Nikerabbit>	I don't
[19:13:40] <ialex>	i use either -m or a file
[19:13:41] <Nikerabbit>	encourages for doing commits without checking what files have changed :)
[19:14:01] <NicDumZ>	and also, it adds in the editor the list of modified files. Sort of useful, it saved me from major stupid commits several times :)
[19:14:07] <ialex>	i always put the files to commit
[19:14:25] <NicDumZ>	:) different habits then ;)
[19:14:37] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, I do svn diff, hit up, and change "diff" to "commit -m".  :)
[19:14:55] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38146 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: and another modern tweak -- don't @import the common styles now that we've got <link>s
[19:14:58] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: me too but I use ci without -m
[19:15:15] <Simetrical>	Such variety.
[19:15:28] <Nikerabbit>	err
[19:15:32] <NicDumZ>	and... what editors are you using, by the way, mm ?
[19:15:36] <Simetrical>	I like how git has you manually git add every single file that you want to commit, not just newly created ones.
[19:15:39] <Nikerabbit>	did r38146 broke styles totally?
[19:15:43] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Fuzzybot
[19:15:57] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[19:16:01] <MZMcBride>	It's being fixed.
[19:16:13] <Nikerabbit>	MZMcBride: how do you know? :D
[19:16:16] <Simetrical>	It's surprising how much I like git based on its interface, as opposed to its radical decentralized model or whatever.  :P
[19:18:26] <NicDumZ>	being able to "split" your changes, even being offline, is great too
[19:20:11] <Simetrical>	I can't really judge that, since I only really use it for maintaining config files and live copies of software.
[19:20:22] <Nikerabbit>	brion did not just sync r38146 live?
[19:20:31] <Simetrical>	Maybe?
[19:20:34] <brion>	hm? yes?
[19:20:35] <Simetrical>	Looks like it, yeah.
[19:20:37] <brion>	what about it?
[19:20:42] <Nikerabbit>	you broke modern
[19:20:43] <Simetrical>	 <Nikerabbit> did r38146 broke styles totally?
[19:20:55] <Nikerabbit>	http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etusivu?useskin=modern
[19:21:15] <will_hough>	Could anyone tell me how to properly change the [edit] link to an image? 
[19:21:26] <brion>	hehe
[19:21:28] <brion>	sec
[19:21:35] <brion>	apparently modern was still incomplete *sigh*
[19:22:04] <Simetrical>	will_hough, what do you mean?
[19:22:30] <will_hough>	Simetrical: I'm styling the wiki and would like to replace the text with an image
[19:22:36] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38147 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: Fix r38146 -- this is why redundant style declarations are bad. When one is removed, you discover they didn't match! :)
[19:22:48] <will_hough>	for the phpBB wiki
[19:23:08] <Simetrical>	will_hough, use CSS backgrounds, I guess.  I doubt the edit message accepts HTML.
[19:23:14] <will_hough>	I'm a html/css guy, not a php guy.
[19:23:45] <will_hough>	Simetrical: I don't think you understand what I'm asking
[19:23:52] <Simetrical>	Anyway, there's no explicit option for this, basically.  You have to figure it out somehow using CSS or something.
[19:23:56] <will_hough>	the [edit] link to the right of the articles
[19:23:57] <Simetrical>	Maybe not, clarify?
[19:24:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Skins "Simple" and "Modern" are broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14954  (10brion)
[19:24:19] <Simetrical>	So you mean the section edit button, not the one at the top.  Okay.
[19:24:23] <will_hough>	I understand it would be a modification.
[19:24:28] <Simetrical>	Ah, you want to hack it.
[19:24:32] <will_hough>	correct
[19:24:35] <Simetrical>	That's pretty easy.
[19:24:37] <Simetrical>	One sec.
[19:24:44] <will_hough>	mind if aI pase a link to the style?
[19:24:52] <will_hough>	it's almost done
[19:25:07] <will_hough>	nevermind . .
[19:25:28] <Duesentrieb>	will_hough: you can change the text in the link sinmply by editing the system message. depending on how the message is handled, it may be possible to directy insert an image that way too, using either html or wiki syntax
[19:25:28] <Simetrical>	will_hough, use the EditSectionLink and EditSectionLinkForOther hooks.
[19:25:40] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, no, it's escaped, I'm looking right now.
[19:25:42] <Duesentrieb>	will_hough: not all messages allow this, but it's worth a try
[19:25:51] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: ah, too bad
[19:26:03] <Simetrical>	Brion doesn't like messages that allow raw HTML, there aren't many left.
[19:26:05] <will_hough>	May I post a link to the style dev?
[19:26:13] <Simetrical>	will_hough, post any link you like.
[19:26:16] <will_hough>	http://dev.willhough.net/wiki/index.php/Coding_guidelines
[19:26:17] <jftsang>	hello
[19:26:21] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: I don't like them either :)
[19:26:29] <jftsang>	how do I enable file uploads onto my wiki
[19:26:40] <jftsang>	the wiki is otherwise functional
[19:26:44] <Simetrical>	!uploads | jftsang 
[19:26:44] --mwbot--	jftsang: File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[19:27:45] <will_hough>	Do you see where the [edit] link is to the right of the content headings?
[19:27:48] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[19:28:03] <will_hough>	And that is what you are talking about?
[19:28:05] <Simetrical>	(Wow, these hooks suck, they should be killed somehow.)
[19:28:12] <Simetrical>	(I should write a better hook to replace them.)
[19:28:17] <Simetrical>	will_hough, yes.
[19:28:27] <will_hough>	I guess I'm SOL
[19:28:38] <Simetrical>	will_hough, no, you can use the hooks if you want . . .
[19:29:01] <will_hough>	I don't know how to edit the php properly
[19:29:02] <Simetrical>	They'll just have brackets around them, unless you edit that message too, and there are two different interfaces for two different types of section edit links.
[19:29:03] <Duesentrieb>	will_hough: well... you are a css guy... so... set a background image and make the text vanish?
[19:29:09] <will_hough>	I'm just a html/css guy
[19:29:11] <Duesentrieb>	will_hough: that should work, shouldn't it?
[19:29:20] <will_hough>	Duesentrieb: oh, good idea
[19:30:12] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[19:30:27] <Nikerabbit>	I can't fully follow the CREDITS thread on wikitech?
[19:30:54] <Nikerabbit>	is there consensus which people are going to be added?
[19:34:18] <Simetrical>	will_hough, this pastebin (added to the end of LocalSettings.php) would do it in the software, more or less.  http://pastebin.ca/1085520
[19:35:05] <Simetrical>	It's fairly crude, and you have to edit MediaWiki:Editsection-brackets and set it to "$1" instead of "[$1]", but it More Or Less Works(TM).
[19:36:25] <Nikerabbit>	and another question: what was the location of wikimedia's config files for MediaWiki?
[19:36:51] <MZMcBride>	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/
[19:37:03] <Nikerabbit>	thanks
[19:38:20] <will_hough>	yea, the css won't work, because it would hide the link
[19:38:43] <will_hough>	Simetrical: Thank you . .I'll see if I understand it
[19:40:44] <flyingparchment>	"recognize the following names"?  wouldn't it be better to recognise the people?
[19:41:12] <Simetrical>	No, we don't like people.
[19:42:20] <flyingparchment>	seems pretty weird to only list people who committed to 1.13
[19:43:43] <rainman-sr>	maybe svn blame on the code and then count lines per username
[19:43:56] <NicDumZ>	doesnt make much sense either
[19:44:02] <NicDumZ>	since only the last name stand
[19:44:36] <NicDumZ>	e.g. if someone change the eol-style of a file, he "owns" all the lines. Not relevant ;)
[19:44:52] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, my original suggestion was to make it part of RELEASE-NOTES, not a separate file.
[19:45:11] <flyingparchment>	i think that's worse
[19:45:25] <rainman-sr>	NicDumZ, there are come caveats but i think it would be fairly accurate
[19:45:26] <flyingparchment>	if the point is to give people kudos for working on stuff, don't hide it by interspersing it inside some other file 
[19:46:15] <rainman-sr>	maybe a (more) visible link to mw:Developers could be enough?
[19:46:31] <will_hough>	Simetrical: Getting a syntax error 
[19:46:57] <Simetrical>	will_hough, what's the error?
[19:46:59] <will_hough>	U'm unsure of what exactly I need to edit. I notice the image location.
[19:46:59] <NicDumZ>	header: "We would like to thank all our [[mw:Delopers|]] for making this possible"
[19:47:04] <will_hough>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '}' in C:\Program Files\wamp\www\mediawiki\LocalSettings.php on line 140
[19:47:51] <Simetrical>	will_hough, you put it at the very end, and made sure you copied the whole thing exactly?
[19:47:57] <will_hough>	yes sir
[19:48:14] <Simetrical>	Could you paste the end of your LocalSettings.php somewhere for me?
[19:48:17] <NicDumZ>	will_hough, paste your LocalSettings.php to http://pastebin.com/ taking care to remove any sensitive data :)
[19:48:21] <Simetrical>	(with any sensitive info removed)
[19:48:25] <NicDumZ>	hehe
[19:48:50] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion
[19:49:02] <Shiroi_Neko>	will you answer me?
[19:49:13] <Shiroi_Neko>	about double redirects
[19:49:18] <Shiroi_Neko>	I am still waiting :)
[19:49:30] <Shiroi_Neko>	I do have an intercontinental flight so...
[19:49:54] <will_hough>	http://pastebin.com/m61d8d32a
[19:50:41] <NicDumZ>	will_hough, line 23
[19:50:49] <NicDumZ>	there is a # at the beginning of the line
[19:51:08] <NicDumZ>	remove it :)
[19:51:16] <will_hough>	ok, now I'm getting this
[19:51:17] <will_hough>	Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
[19:51:31] *will_hough 	turns on debugging
[19:52:31] <will_hough>	Hooks array for event 'EditSectionLink' is not an array!
[19:52:43] <will_hough>	with a bunch of Backtrace
[19:53:12] <Simetrical>	will_hough, you commented out the line beginning "function hook1( ...".
[19:53:21] <Simetrical>	Therefore, it sees the closing brace and no opening brace.
[19:53:27] <will_hough>	Simetrical: Fixed that
[19:53:34] <Simetrical>	Oh, blah.
[19:53:35] <will_hough>	new error
[19:53:37] <Simetrical>	I forgot to update the pastebin.
[19:53:45] <lymeca>	Where can I change the prefix of accessing uploaded files?  It's Images: right now and Id like it to be something like Media:
[19:54:00] <Simetrical>	will_hough, this should be correct.  http://pastebin.com/m1ffbe604
[19:54:13] <Simetrical>	I had corrected that when I tested it, but evidently only in my LocalSettings.php, not in my pastebin . . .
[19:58:54] <will_hough>	Simetrical: Works like a charm!
[19:59:05] <will_hough>	Thank you !
[19:59:22] <derenrich>	are renames logged anywhere usable? Querying the logs via Special:Log misses a good number of renamed users
[19:59:48] <derenrich>	(because none of the fields list the user name so you have to rely on the comment)
[20:00:02] <MZMcBride>	They're logged at [[Special:Log/rename]].
[20:00:12] <MZMcBride>	But the log format has changed several times over the years.
[20:00:19] <MZMcBride>	And old entries can be incredibly broken.
[20:00:50] <derenrich>	yeah, like Gilesbennett was renamed, but he doesn't show up in the logs
[20:00:50] <MZMcBride>	[[Special:Log/renameuser]]. *
[20:00:51] <Bjorn_>	Hello - I'm structuring a new wiki for the first time. Need some advice on how to not get transcluded pages on the search results page. Have looked around for 1 hr now without finding any hints on this. Wonder if I need a separate namespace for the bits and pieces I want to run as transcluded pages in order to be systematic in my use of templates. Can someone help?
[20:01:09] <derenrich>	MZMcBride: is there a table on the toolserver that holds this information in a better format?
[20:01:17] <MZMcBride>	Nope.
[20:01:28] <Bjorn_>	sorry, error: to OMIT transcluded pages on the search results page ...
[20:01:33] <MZMcBride>	There's an open bug about the old logs being terrible, though.
[20:01:46] <derenrich>	gah...sounds like the bug will be open forever
[20:01:52] <derenrich>	some edits from way back are just missing
[20:01:56] <derenrich>	others garbled
[20:02:04] *derenrich 	is mining the logs
[20:02:22] <Simetrical>	Bjorn_, the Template namespace is meant to be used for that . . .
[20:04:20] <MZMcBride>	derenrich: Yes, it's a total mess. The handwritten logs are the only way to really get most of the older information.
[20:04:36] <derenrich>	MZMcBride: handwritten?
[20:04:47] <derenrich>	MZMcBride: I assume they are not public
[20:04:50] <MZMcBride>	The manually-kept logs.
[20:04:53] <derenrich>	ah
[20:04:55] <MZMcBride>	Depends where you're talking about.
[20:05:07] <MZMcBride>	This is en.wiki?
[20:05:10] <derenrich>	yep
[20:05:35] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHU#Archives
[20:05:40] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Archive1
[20:05:41] <MZMcBride>	Etc.
[20:06:16] <derenrich>	ah, thanks
[20:07:03] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[20:07:16] <MZMcBride>	Hello.
[20:07:33] <Bjorn_>	@simetical: Thanks - I'm not talking about specific templates though but content. I have pages on authors that will have category "author". On those pages I will transclude author_biography pages (most of that content will be under a different license than the rest of the content  so I want them separated). I want only the author pages to turn up in the search results, not the transcluded...
[20:07:35] <Bjorn_>	...author_biography pages. What would be the best way to do that?
[20:08:26] <Simetrical>	Bjorn_, have the stuff you don't want showing up be in a different namespace.
[20:08:57] <Bjorn_>	ok - thought so but could not find any documentation at all explaining this ... thanks a lot 
[20:11:55] <will_hough>	Simetrical: http://dev.willhough.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[20:12:02] <will_hough>	brackets are gone there
[20:12:06] <will_hough>	but not here
[20:12:13] <will_hough>	http://dev.willhough.net/wiki/index.php/Coding_guidelines
[20:12:20] <Bjorn_>	Simetrical, - Will this also prevent Google duplicate search results if I define what namespaces not to spider in robots.txt?
[20:13:27] <Simetrical>	Bjorn_, sure, why not?
[20:13:44] <Simetrical>	will_hough, gone both places for me.  Try clearing your browser cache, Ctrl-F5?
[20:14:05] <will_hough>	did that 5 times, and on the 6th it was gone :|
[20:14:13] <will_hough>	bah, sorry to bother you again
[20:14:23] <will_hough>	Thanks again
[20:14:29] <Bjorn_>	Simetrical, thanks - because I'm a newbie - going up a steep learning curve :-)
[20:14:48] <Simetrical>	Ah, probably the parser cache.
[20:15:05] <Simetrical>	Although that should theoretically be purged if you touch LocalSettings, IIRC . . . anyway, it's just a caching issue.
[20:15:20] <will_hough>	apprecite it a lot :)
[20:15:42] <will_hough>	The skin emulates the phpBB Admin Panel
[20:17:23] <lymeca>	Where can I change the prefix of accessing uploaded files?  It's Images: right now and Id like it to be something like Media:
[20:17:53] <Simetrical>	lymeca, "Media:" is reserved.  You can change the namespace name to anything else you like, though.  Let me find the config option.
[20:18:08] <cirwin>	$wgExtraNamespaces[NS_IMAGE] = 'File';
[20:18:15] <lymeca>	Simetrical: What is it reserved for?  
[20:18:27] <ialex>	lymeca: direct link to the file
[20:18:27] <cirwin>	Media: gives you links to the actual file
[20:18:28] <lymeca>	I mean every file no matter what type or extension seems to be vailable at Image:
[20:18:33] <Simetrical>	cirwin, that doesn't sound right at all.
[20:18:39] <cirwin>	Simetrical: no, but it works
[20:18:40] <Simetrical>	lymeca, [[Media:Imagename]] links directly to the file, rather than the image page.
[20:18:54] <Simetrical>	We know the name sucks, at some point it will probably change to "File:".
[20:18:58] <cirwin>	on mine I have: $wgExtraNamespaces[NS_MEDIA] = 'Download';
[20:18:58] <cirwin>	$wgExtraNamespaces[NS_IMAGE] = 'File';
[20:19:15] <lymeca>	Hmm, it doesn't on my wiki
[20:19:57] <lymeca>	https://hampedia.org/wiki/Media:Hampedia_logo.jpg
[20:20:10] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I don't see any other way to do it.
[20:20:12] <lymeca>	It looks like it just redirects to [[Image:Hampedia_logo.jpg]]
[20:20:27] <Simetrical>	lymeca, try it in a wikilink.
[20:20:31] <Simetrical>	Hmm, that makes no sense.
[20:20:40] <Simetrical>	Well, that's the theory, anyway.
[20:20:52] <ialex>	it links to the file if it's in wikitext
[20:20:53] <Simetrical>	Maybe it can't return the image itself, with your configuration.
[20:21:00] <Simetrical>	Well, whatever.
[20:21:02] <Bjorn_>	Simetrical, would it be correct if I include the following in the Editing Manual:Using custom namespaces: "A custom namespace can be used to hold content that should be be shown on the search results page, for example pages that are used only for [[transclusion]]"?
[20:21:14] <Simetrical>	What cirwin suggests definitely seems wrong, but I don't see the proper way to do it.
[20:21:25] <cirwin>	I had a long search a week or so ago
[20:21:28] <Bjorn_>	Error: should NOT be shown ...
[20:21:33] <cirwin>	and that was the cleanest solution I found
[20:21:50] <cirwin>	the other thing I could have done was edited the locale files
[20:22:02] <cirwin>	in a way it makes sense
[20:22:07] <cirwin>	beacuse Image: and Media: still work
[20:22:19] <cirwin>	you are just providing "extra" namespaces that do the same
[20:22:21] <Simetrical>	Bjorn_, there doesn't seem to be any section so far on *why* you would want custom namespaces, so go ahead and make one if you like.
[20:22:27] <Simetrical>	But you want "should not", not "should".
[20:22:39] <Simetrical>	(as you noticed, I guess)
[20:23:32] <lymeca>	yeah cirwin That seems sane
[20:23:50] <lymeca>	$wgExtraNamespaces[NS_MEDIA] = 'Download';         and               $wgExtraNamespaces[NS_IMAGE] = 'File';  just like that, no other config necessary?
[20:23:55] <cirwin>	nope
[20:24:02] <cirwin>	well, I don't think so
[20:24:08] <lymeca>	cirwin: What's wrong then?
[20:24:21] <cirwin>	I have a lot of other config and customisation - but I don't think any of it affects that
[20:24:49] <lymeca>	Well I like what you have chosen and I'm wondering if I add those two lines to my LocalSettings.php will it work?
[20:24:55] <cirwin>	yes
[20:24:58] <cirwin>	it will
[20:25:27] <cirwin>	all the locale stuff should be taken out of the main repository, like extensions are
[20:25:36] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r38148 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBg.php: * Fix magic words related regression for bg
[20:25:48] <lymeca>	cirwin: Okay so then [[Image:blah.jpg]] will be the same link as [[File:blah.jpg]], and [[Media:blah.jpg]] will be the same link as [[Download:blah.jpg]].  Both will work side by side?
[20:25:53] <cirwin>	yes
[20:26:40] <lymeca>	Okay so how do you tell your users to put, say, [[File:music.ogg]] in their pages instead of [[Image:music.ogg]]?
[20:27:24] <cirwin>	the pages will say File: at the top
[20:27:30] <lymeca>	Oh I see, it redirects!
[20:27:31] <cirwin>	and recentchanges will say File: not image:
[20:27:33] <lymeca>	Awesome
[20:27:38] <lymeca>	This is great
[20:27:40] <cirwin>	so they don't even need to know that Image: works
[20:27:41] <lymeca>	Thanks!
[20:27:43] <cirwin>	np
[20:27:54] <lymeca>	This should really be default in MediaWiki
[20:28:12] <Duesentrieb>	maybe for new installations
[20:28:25] <Duesentrieb>	defaults need to be compatible, theymust not break existing installs
[20:29:17] <Bjorn_>	Simetrical, yes - I noticed - and it's done now, I'm "kassoe" on mediawiki.org.
[20:30:31] <lymeca>	Does anyone have experience with the MediaWiki FCKeditor extension?
[20:30:45] <lymeca>	Mine works, but takes like 10 seconds to load, which is painfully slow.
[20:31:36] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: the first time, or every time?
[20:31:43] <lymeca>	Every time.
[20:31:49] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. is it actualy *loading* that takes that long, or is it initialization
[20:31:55] <Duesentrieb>	ugh. that sucks :)
[20:32:07] <Duesentrieb>	but well... it has to parse...
[20:32:16] <Duesentrieb>	if the page is large, it will take a while
[20:33:55] <CIA-55>	03simetrical * r38149 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[20:33:55] <CIA-55>	Linker::doEditSectionLink() and Linker::doEditSectionLinkForOther() and their
[20:33:56] <CIA-55>	respective hooks are redundant and confusing. They do exactly the same thing
[20:33:56] <CIA-55>	with a slightly different interface. Their hooks are not only redundant but
[20:33:56] <CIA-55>	relatively ineffective, because they wrap in brackets and a span *after* the
[20:33:58] <CIA-55>	hook returns. This makes them useless for, e.g., changing the section edit link
[20:34:00] <CIA-55>	to an image (can't remove brackets), or using any block-level element (wrapped
[20:36:28] <lymeca>	Duesentrieb: Every time the "edit" button is clicked, it rapdily moves from "trasferring data from domain.org" to "waiting for domain.org" and back again
[20:36:46] <lymeca>	back and forth like 50 times really fast while 10 seconds go by.  It's the same for any size page.
[20:37:13] <Bjorn_>	Simetrical or others,  I have a second question regarding namespaces. In my new project I categorize authors and their books, video appearances and blogs. Would it make sense to separate those different content types into namespaces? Pro: Clearer structure and easier to manage search results. Con: Less friendly for users that want to make pages and really not that much different functionality acro
[20:37:15] <Bjorn_>	ss the authors, books, videos. Also, ???authors??? could also be for example also be ???bloggers??? which point to the use of categories as a better choice. Your opinions/advice will be appreciated.
[20:37:45] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: sounds like it's loading many files, but finds them in cache. use firebug or some such to track what's being requested, and how long it takes to load.
[20:37:59] <Inez>	Hello
[20:38:33] <cirwin>	Bjorn_: I'd say not
[20:38:35] <Duesentrieb>	Bjorn_: i would separate "creators" from "works", but not set up namespaces for different types of works
[20:38:46] <cirwin>	just have lots of pages, and categorize them
[20:38:56] <lymeca>	Duesentrieb: Erg, FCKeditor doesn't even show up at ALL in Konqueror...?
[20:38:57] <Duesentrieb>	Bjorn_: pages about creators of works have a fundamentally different function from pages about works. that warrants a namespace.
[20:39:04] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: i have no clue
[20:40:07] <Duesentrieb>	Bjorn_: differentiating between different types of works however is not so easy. some stuff could fall into two categories, or you may decide you want a new category for, say audiobooks. so you should use... well, categories :)
[20:40:27] <Bjorn_>	Duesentrieb, yes - that makes sense - and by calling them creators I include both roles, "author" and "blogger" and what more could come ...
[20:40:28] <Bjorn_>	thanks
[20:40:50] <Duesentrieb>	Bjorn_: well, what you call it is up to you - i'd probably call it author :)
[20:41:07] <Bjorn_>	and I guess I can find an extension to make it easy for users to places new pages in the correct namespace?
[20:41:36] <cirwin>	Bjorn_: mediawiki is not designed for structured data
[20:41:46] <cirwin>	just as a heads up
[20:42:15] <brion>	oh god my eyes
[20:42:16] <brion>	+ $attribs = wfMsgHtml( 'editsectionhint', htmlspecialchars( $tooltip ) );
[20:42:16] <brion>	+ $attribs = " title=\"$attribs\"";
[20:42:18] <brion>	they're melting
[20:42:44] <Bjorn_>	cirwin, yeah - I'm aware of this and because of this I am actually tending towards putting it all in the main namespace ...
[20:42:58] <Duesentrieb>	Bjorn_: there are some extensions that help with page creation, and some that help with assigning categories.
[20:43:47] <Duesentrieb>	Bjorn_: the "structured data" thing is not a problem of organizing pages. the point is that mediawiki does not easily let you deal woth *properties* of *things*. 
[20:44:11] <Simetrical>	brion, you realize that was being done in Linker::editSectionLink() previously and only the var name and location changed?
[20:44:16] <Bjorn_>	Duesentrieb, OK
[20:44:18] <brion>	Simetrical: yes
[20:44:26] <Simetrical>	Okay then.  :)
[20:44:27] <brion>	i'm just whinging that we have such horrible code :D
[20:44:47] <lymeca>	Duesentrieb: Epiphany loads it very quickly actually!  So... umm, it's a problem with my Firefox?  Or any Firefox... testing on Windows commencing...
[20:44:48] <cirwin>	I have more horrible code I want on Wiktionary - if anyone has ten minutes
[20:45:06] <cirwin>	see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Conrad.Irwin/MetaKeywords.php
[20:45:47] <balasyum>	if I redirect to a Special page, the text in the first line with small doesn't get displayed: Redirected from xy
[20:46:02] <Simetrical>	balasyum, yes, that's why that kind of redirect can be disabled.
[20:46:18] <Simetrical>	Because nobody bothered to get that little text working for special pages for some reason.
[20:46:35] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38150 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Add padlock icons as needed
[20:46:37] <balasyum>	it should be, because if I set for example Mainpage to redirect to a special one, then I cannot get back to the mainpage to modify it
[20:46:44] <Simetrical>	. . .
[20:46:47] <balasyum>	except if I write into the hyperlink
[20:46:54] <balasyum>	?redirect=no
[20:46:57] <Simetrical>	Uh, yeah, doing that is a bad idea.  :)
[20:47:13] <Simetrical>	They're disabled on Wikipedia, maybe they should either be cleaned up or disabled by default.
[20:48:24] <MinuteElectron>	I think the main reason we have bad code is that changes aren't reviewed before commit, if changes were reviewed prior to commit (in bugzilla eg) then suggestions regarding code quality before commit. since after commit it is only likely to be reverted or changes if there is a flaw or bug
[20:48:41] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38151 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/RatingHistory.i18n.php: Remove dupe message
[20:49:08] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: I think the main reason is that there is just so much bad code it is hard to fix while new one is coming in
[20:49:27] <MinuteElectron>	true
[20:49:43] <flyingparchment>	a proper review process would be nice, except who would do the reviewing?
[20:49:57] <Bjorn_>	duesentrieb and cirwin, thanks a lot - will go to work now :-)
[20:50:01] <MinuteElectron>	we could higher more developers!#
[20:50:05] <MinuteElectron>	(hier
[20:50:06] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, someone paid out of a $2 million technology budget shortfall?
[20:50:07] <cirwin>	bye Bjorn_
[20:50:07] <MinuteElectron>	*
[20:50:11] <flyingparchment>	MinuteElectron: hire? ;)
[20:50:16] <MinuteElectron>	yeah :P
[20:52:09] <MinuteElectron>	flyingparchment: When sutff is submited to bugzilla for review it often generates a bit comment.
[20:52:21] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, no, it usually gets completely ignored.
[20:52:30] <Simetrical>	*Occasionally* it will get detailed comments.
[20:52:33] <flyingparchment>	95% of stuff in bugzilla is never committed or looked at
[20:52:40] <Simetrical>	If you specifically ask someone who doesn't mind looking it over.
[20:52:43] <flyingparchment>	and then only after nudging someone on irc
[20:52:49] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[20:52:59] *cirwin 	has been trying and failing at nudging on irc - time to nudge harder :)
[20:53:17] <cirwin>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Conrad.Irwin/MetaKeywords.php
[20:53:20] <flyingparchment>	if we did it that way, we'd need a seperate category for commit reviews
[20:53:22] <balasyum>	Simetrical, I use redirecting to special page, exactly on my mainpage to special:allpages
[20:53:25] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Show name of changed templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14963  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:53:27] <Nikerabbit>	note: I like strawberries
[20:53:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Draft tab does not disappear after sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14561  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:53:51] <MinuteElectron>	cirwin: What would you like doing with it?
[20:54:02] <cirwin>	I want it installed on en.wiktionary
[20:54:10] <MinuteElectron>	right
[20:54:17] <MinuteElectron>	that isn't going to happen until you get it commited.
[20:54:23] <cirwin>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882
[20:54:24] <cirwin>	ok
[20:54:28] <cirwin>	how do I get it committed?
[20:54:47] <MinuteElectron>	you ask someone to commit it who has commit access
[20:54:48] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, Mozilla does it nicely.  They have flags on patches, and reviewers can set r+ or r- depending on whether they think the patch is good.
[20:54:55] <Simetrical>	Er, flags on attachments, that is.
[20:55:13] <cirwin>	MinuteElectron: do you have the access, the time and the inclination?
[20:55:24] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[20:55:46] <cirwin>	could you please commit it then? :)
[20:55:55] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[20:56:16] <cirwin>	thanks! is there anything further I need to do?
[20:57:25] <MinuteElectron>	once commited you will need to clarify the bug report
[20:57:42] <MinuteElectron>	and then direct your nudgin at #wikimedia-tech 
[20:57:45] <cirwin>	ok
[20:57:46] <MinuteElectron>	*nudging
[20:57:49] <cirwin>	thanks
[20:58:16] <Simetrical>	cirwin, a GPL3 extensions for MW seems dicey to me.  MW is GPL 2 only, not 2 or later.
[20:58:23] <cirwin>	ok
[20:58:28] <Simetrical>	Wait, no.
[20:58:30] <Simetrical>	This file says 2 or later.
[20:58:31] <cirwin>	I can change it
[20:58:32] <Simetrical>	Hmmmm.
[20:58:40] <cirwin>	I only put it on 'cos someone here said I should
[20:58:42] <Simetrical>	I doubt anyone cares, anyway.
[20:59:00] <Simetrical>	As long as it's a free license, and you're only talking about an extension, people don't seem to mind.
[20:59:02] <flyingparchment>	you can't link GPLv3 code with GPLv2?
[20:59:03] <CIA-55>	03minuteelectron * r38152 10/trunk/extensions/MetaKeywords/ (. MetaKeywords.php): * Add MetaKeywords extension by Conrad Irwin.
[20:59:29] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38153 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Categoryfinder.php): 
[20:59:29] <CIA-55>	* Recursion loop check added to Categoryfinder class
[20:59:29] <CIA-55>	Infinite loops were causing segfaults in combination with Collection extension
[20:59:35] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, no, they're incompatible.  This is necessary for, e.g., GPL v3/MPL compatibility.
[20:59:48] <flyingparchment>	fsf strikes again
[20:59:54] <flyingparchment>	and yet, people still use their licenses?
[21:00:01] <cirwin>	ok, should I change it to 2, or remove it completely?
[21:00:45] <Simetrical>	cirwin, don't remove it!  Then it's not freely licensed.  :)
[21:00:54] <Duesentrieb>	cirwin: multi-license with all licenses you are comfortable with
[21:00:54] <cirwin>	it's under gfdl if I remove it :)
[21:01:08] <Duesentrieb>	that gives people downstream the chance to pick the compatible one
[21:01:16] <cirwin>	public domain is fine by me 
[21:01:20] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, well, they do recommend saying "or later".  I don't know why they don't write it into the license, like Creative Commons does, for instance.
[21:01:20] <cirwin>	but that can cause problems too?
[21:01:32] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[21:01:39] <Nikerabbit>	my code is 2 later
[21:02:08] <Simetrical>	cirwin, this allows arbitrary meta elements to be outputted?
[21:02:14] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38154 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: More UI reduction
[21:02:17] <cirwin>	just keywords and description
[21:02:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Don't show box for default case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14697  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:02:31] <Duesentrieb>	also, it *may* be the case that all extensions must have the license that mediawiki proper has - because they can be seen as "derivatives"
[21:02:37] <Duesentrieb>	(even though i find that silly)
[21:03:00] <MinuteElectron>	How on earth can they be? Most extensions don't use code from core.
[21:03:13] <cirwin>	rightyho, it's version 2 now
[21:03:25] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: most *call* code from core. that's enough for GPL.
[21:03:45] *Simetrical 	can't follow the code, no comments . . .
[21:04:02] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: only if there is no reference to any wf function, core class or even config var can you say it doesn't use core. 
[21:04:23] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, the FSF says plugins/extensions need to be GPL.  Anything that's designed to link with it, or anything equivalent.
[21:04:33] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: "be GPL" or "be GPL compatible"
[21:04:34] <Simetrical>	Except "anything equivalent" is a bit vague, but calling functions qualifies, according to them.
[21:04:35] <flyingparchment>	?
[21:04:51] <Nikerabbit>	gpl is a cancer
[21:05:03] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, well, "GPL-compatible" is a bit vague.  It can mean at least two things.
[21:05:11] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: well, the problem is what "link" means in the context of a scipting langugae
[21:05:15] <Simetrical>	It only needs to be GPL-compatible, though, right, in one sense.
[21:05:35] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, their FAQ says calling functions and so forth is good enough, IIRC.  I looked it up once for an argument here.
[21:06:12] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: I think it can't mean much when we are not compiling :o
[21:06:32] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: yes, i guess so. but say in my code i reference a class called "Page". Now, what does this refer to? ther emust be a million projects with a class called "page"...
[21:06:45] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, yeah, it gets kind of fuzzy.
[21:06:54] <Simetrical>	None of this has been tested in court, I don't think.
[21:06:57] <brion-busy>	is a call via a web service linking? >:D
[21:07:05] <Duesentrieb>	yes. "link", "compile", "source"... GPL is wirtten for C
[21:07:41] <Duesentrieb>	brion-busy: if no... how about soap? xml-rpc? sun-rpc? i really hate that stuff :)
[21:07:46] <lymeca>	In the OggHandler extension readme: "We use FFmpeg for creating still images of videos, you will need a copy on your server. Unfortunately the current version of FFmpeg has a bug which makes it extremely slow when used in this way."
[21:07:50] <lymeca>	Is this still true?
[21:08:12] <Simetrical>	I don't see why they don't just avoid the legal terminology and give their own definition of derivative work, and if you violate it then the license is revoked.  Like with patents.  I guess that couldn't stop you from distributing works by themselves that aren't legally derivative works, but it would at least remove some of the uncertainty.
[21:09:58] <CIA-55>	03minuteelectron * r38155 10/trunk/extensions/MetaKeywords/MetaKeywords.php: * MetaKeywords now GPLv2.
[21:10:10] <cirwin>	thanks MinuteElectron
[21:10:22] <Nikerabbit>	v2??
[21:10:24] <cirwin>	I'll update the bug report
[21:10:59] <cirwin>	Nikerabbit: change the license as you see fit :) I was just trying to make people happy...
[21:11:28] <Nikerabbit>	cirwin: I can't, I'm not the author :)
[21:15:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882  (10conrad.irwin)
[21:17:47] <cirwin>	 now I suppose I just need to /join #wikimedia-tech :)
[21:19:46] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38156 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: 
[21:19:46] <CIA-55>	* Add padlock to edit view
[21:19:46] <CIA-55>	* Disable autoreview notice based on config
[21:20:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API usage example for action=parse gives PHP fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton)
[21:21:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API usage example for action=parse gives PHP fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965  (10matthew.britton)
[21:23:09] <lymeca>	Okay so I'm about to compile FFmpeg from SVN, and I have the .diff file that comes with OggHandler that I need to apply before compilation, but I don't know the proper command.
[21:23:42] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: man patch
[21:26:53] <cirwin>	heh poor Soxred93
[21:26:59] <lymeca>	Duesentrieb: I avoided using the -p option by putting the patch in the ffmpeg trunk directory.  Because the diff file reerences libavformat/ogg2.c then this should be the proper place.
[21:27:16] <lymeca>	So I just ran patch ffmpeg-bugfix.diff
[21:27:17] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: it will tell you if it isn't.
[21:27:39] <lymeca>	But it isn't working.  I mean maybe it is, it's just sitting there not returning me to a prompt.
[21:27:47] <lymeca>	I imagine this wouldn't be a terrible difficult task...
[21:28:06] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: uh... perhaps it's waiting for input from stdin?
[21:28:15] <lymeca>	What sort of input?
[21:28:16] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: i usually use patch -p 0 < whatever.diff
[21:28:22] <Duesentrieb>	not sue about "the other form"
[21:28:33] <Duesentrieb>	ah, right, the other fomr wants two files names
[21:28:38] <Duesentrieb>	it doesn't op on directories, but files
[21:29:09] <Duesentrieb>	if you have a multi-file diff, or one that specifies file names at all, you should use the pipe-in form
[21:29:12] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. < filename#
[21:29:13] <brion-busy>	we've got a sudden rash of calls to Title::equals() with the second parameter being a non-object
[21:29:49] <lymeca>	Okay I am but now it complains that can't find file to patch at input line 5 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
[21:30:06] <lymeca>	I tried -p 0 and -p 1 and -p 2
[21:30:20] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: the number ofter the -p depends on which dir you are in when applying it relative to what dir it was created from
[21:30:24] <lymeca>	patch -p 1 < ffmpeg-bugfix.diff
[21:30:43] <Duesentrieb>	well then. look into the patch and see which file it's looking for
[21:31:01] <Duesentrieb>	and what path it expects for that
[21:31:03] <lymeca>	libavformat/ogg2.c
[21:31:10] <Duesentrieb>	compare that to the relative path from your current location
[21:31:29] <Duesentrieb>	is there a subdirectory called libavformat wherever youare right now? or are you insiode that dir?
[21:31:37] <lymeca>	uh-oh
[21:31:45] <lymeca>	ffmpeg/libavformat/ogg2.c doesn't exist
[21:31:57] <lymeca>	Perhaps there has been a change in ffmpeg svn file structure?
[21:32:01] <Duesentrieb>	which is exatcly what it has been telling you :=
[21:32:07] <Duesentrieb>	i have no clue
[21:32:13] <lymeca>	Right, well, then is this patch useless?
[21:32:21] <Duesentrieb>	pretty much
[21:32:29] <Duesentrieb>	unless you can find out what changed, and fix it manually
[21:32:40] <Duesentrieb>	like, find the new name/location of the file. 
[21:32:45] <Duesentrieb>	but that's nasty
[21:32:52] <lymeca>	errrm
[21:32:58] <brion-busy>	*sigh* when i change it to use an exception now it disappears, i don't see any sign of the exceptions
[21:33:06] <lymeca>	Okay well then how are we supposed to get the OggHandler extension working?
[21:34:04] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: ask the creator of the patch
[21:35:01] <lymeca>	Tim Starling...
[21:35:12] <lymeca>	I think at least
[21:35:52] <lymeca>	How do I find this person's contact info?
[21:35:55] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: well... how old is that patch? does it contain an svn revsion id? 
[21:36:23] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/USERINFO/tstarling
[21:36:35] <lymeca>	I don't know how old it is, but at the top of the patch there is |--- libavformat/ogg2.c	(revision 10293)
[21:36:56] <cirwin>	well in that case
[21:37:02] <cirwin>	checkout revision 10293
[21:37:09] <Duesentrieb>	lymeca: current revision is 14445
[21:37:16] <Duesentrieb>	http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavformat/
[21:37:24] <cirwin>	that is old :)
[21:37:25] <Duesentrieb>	that makes the patch more than 4000 revisions old
[21:37:35] <lymeca>	0_o
[21:37:36] <Duesentrieb>	yes. so... chances are the bug is gone by now?
[21:38:01] <lymeca>	I don't think so
[21:38:22] <lymeca>	Tim Starling listed this in link in his explanation of why the patch needed to be applied: https://roundup.mplayerhq.hu/roundup/ffmpeg/issue159
[21:38:23] <Duesentrieb>	then you have to talk to tim
[21:38:56] <lymeca>	I don't 100% understand that discussion, but it looks like they closed it without fixing it??
[21:40:04] <Duesentrieb>	it seems so.
[21:40:14] <Duesentrieb>	so you have to ask tim to make a fresh patch
[21:40:28] <Duesentrieb>	or check out that old revision, patch it, and compile it
[21:40:43] <cirwin>	I'd just go with the old revision approach
[21:40:53] <Duesentrieb>	well, i'd do both :)
[21:41:09] <Duesentrieb>	tim is around often enough to just poke him some time
[21:41:12] <cirwin>	well I've got other things I wanted to bug Tim about :)
[21:41:35] <lymeca>	aye I'm writing him an e-mail now
[21:51:18] <brion-busy>	Notice: Undefined offset: 2 in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.php on line 214
[22:02:08] <Lady_Aleena>	This template ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Test_banner ) is kicking my rear. I can't get the auto-assessment working nor the show/hide thing to work when nested. Can someone please take a look at it and see what I did wrong?
[22:03:52] <qsheets>	But...but...I'm training my IRC bot on the writings and speeches of Nikola Tesla
[22:06:59] <Lady_Aleena>	qsheets, why would you do that?
[22:07:35] <qsheets>	Because Tesla was awesome, unlike Edison
[22:14:12] <Lady_Aleena>	Okay, got that to work, but now it won't display the image when the thing is nested.
[22:17:35] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Global groups defined for certain sets of wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14556  +comment (10brion)
[22:26:01] <Lady_Aleena>	Happy happy! Joy joy!
[22:27:34] <qsheets>	good job, Lady_Aleena 
[22:28:10] <Lady_Aleena>	qsheets, it was all of the parser function closes, getting them in the right places. ACK!
[22:29:10] <qsheets>	i c
[22:31:27] <Lady_Aleena>	Now to fix the next problem. ARGH! Will it ever end!?
[22:36:15] <brion>	Lady_Aleena: job security!
[22:36:38] <Lady_Aleena>	brion, how's my bug?
[22:36:58] <brion>	it's nestled comfortably with the other bugs :)
[22:37:05] <brion>	lemme see if it's got some friends
[22:37:10] <^demon>	hehe
[22:37:34] <^demon>	brion: Did you see bug 14959? It's a nice little parser bug :-)
[22:37:49] <Lady_Aleena>	brion, the last time I checked, no one wanted it.
[22:37:51] <^demon>	Would make a good friend for Lady_Aleena's bug (whichever that is ;-))
[22:38:31] <Lady_Aleena>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14949
[22:38:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "tlh" wiki on sitematrix does not exist and link to "tlh" wikipedia is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13393  (10brion)
[22:38:39] <msh210>	hi, all.  is there a way for me, a local sysop, to disallow usernames by regex?
[22:38:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Broken links in special:sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13320  (10brion)
[22:38:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove "closed-zh-tw" and "nan" from Special:SiteMatrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12229  (10brion)
[22:39:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955  (10brion)
[22:40:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API usage example for action=parse gives PHP fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:41:32] <brion>	msh210: install UsernameBlacklist extension
[22:42:16] <cirwin>	msh210: don't cross-post :p
[22:44:07] <Charitwo>	hi tim
[22:46:30] <msh210>	brion thx
[22:46:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API usage example for action=parse gives PHP fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965  (10brion)
[22:52:07] <David0811>	Hola
[22:52:19] <David0811>	??Alguien sabe espa??ol?
[22:52:28] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38157 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: (log message trimmed)
[22:52:28] <CIA-55>	Add type hint to Title::equals(); this lets the error log give us something useful like this:
[22:52:28] <CIA-55>	Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Title::equals() must be an instance
[22:52:28] <CIA-55>	of Title, null given, called in
[22:52:28] <CIA-55>	/Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Linker.php on line 1323 and defined
[22:52:28] <CIA-55>	in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Title.php on line 3003
[22:52:32] <CIA-55>	instead of something useless like this:
[22:53:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API usage example for action=parse gives PHP fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965  (10brion)
[22:53:39] <brion>	Simetrical: can you see if you can patch that Linker change up? it's failing on API parses
[22:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SeachEngineDummy class missing replacePrefixes() function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14966 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (gerry.riddell)
[23:00:27] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38158 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:00:27] <CIA-55>	Revert r38149 for now, causes regressions in API parsing.
[23:00:27] <CIA-55>	Bug 14965 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965
[23:00:28] <CIA-55>	PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Title::equals() must be an
[23:00:28] <CIA-55>	instance of Title, null given, called in
[23:00:28] <CIA-55>	/usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/Linker.php on line 1323 and
[23:00:32] <CIA-55>	defined in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/Title.php on line
[23:01:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API usage example for action=parse gives PHP fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14965  +comment (10brion)
[23:30:14] <kalila>	Some new version of mediawiki broke a bunch of my interwiki links
[23:30:25] <kalila>	this no longer works: [{{fullurl:Special:allpages&namespace=100&from=C}} C]
[23:30:46] <kalila>	to link to the index page all pages that start with C in the namespace 100
[23:30:51] <kalila>	how to do it now?
[23:32:29] <Splarka>	[{{fullurl:Special:allpages|namespace=100&from=C}} C]
[23:32:31] <Splarka>	should do what you want
[23:33:02] <Splarka>	(never seen it done the other way, there)
[23:34:08] <kalila>	Splarka: thanks
[23:34:14] <Splarka>	compare to {{fullurl:Special:allpages}} ... if there is no parameter, it uses the articlepath, if there is, it uses the scriptpath (on en.wp that is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages vs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&namespace=100&from=C )
[23:35:26] <Splarka>	ahh, so it probably is, that fullurl is now using the articlepath, which your code would give as:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Allpages%26namespace%3D100%26from%3DC  broken
[23:35:46] <kalila>	yup
[23:35:56] <kalila>	It used to work, i think with 1.7 or 1.10
[23:38:54] <Splarka>	MediaWiki: turning old bugs into new features since 2003
[23:42:44] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38159 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SearchEngine.php: 
[23:42:44] <CIA-55>	* (bug 14966) Fix SearchEngineDummy class for silently non-functional search
[23:42:45] <CIA-55>	 on Sqlite instead of horribly fatal error breaky one.
[23:44:02] <Simetrical>	brion, I'm just going to run the EditSectionLink hook in all cases and drop the EditSectionLinkForOther one.  I cannot *believe* that anyone used them in any fashion other than by copy-pasting the same code for both hooks.
[23:44:23] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php?r1=38139&r2=38138&pathrev=38139  <-- no change?
[23:44:43] <Splarka>	(why was it listed in the changes for 38139 then...)
[23:44:51] <Simetrical>	Splarka, probably whitespace-only.
[23:44:54] <Simetrical>	ViewVC skips those.
[23:45:29] <Splarka>	ahh, tab changes
[23:45:39] <brion>	Simetrical: :)
[23:48:10] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38160 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SearchEngine.php): 
[23:48:10] <CIA-55>	* (bug 14966) Fix SearchEngineDummy class for silently non-functional search
[23:48:10] <CIA-55>	 on Sqlite instead of horribly fatal error breaky one.
[23:48:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SeachEngineDummy class missing replacePrefixes() function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14966  +comment (10brion)
[23:53:09] <CIA-55>	03simetrical * r38161 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Recommit r38149, with the fatal error fixed. The EditSectionLinkForOther hook is now removed entirely -- EditSectionLink is run unconditionally instead. This is extremely unlikely to break any extensions.
[23:53:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension: "Upload To Wikimedia Commons Tab" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14957  (10brion)
[23:54:23] <Simetrical>	Has anyone mentioned that the entire makeLink family of functions needs to be chopped up and purged with fire?
[23:54:38] <Simetrical>	Or, rather, merged into one coherent function, not chopped up at all.
[23:55:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) importdump.php regular expression is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14961  (10brion)
[23:55:22] <Splarka>	just Dr Frankenstein, but he was saying the same about a dozen dead bodies in his lab, while pouring boiling oil on the peasants, so no one was really listening