[00:00:05] <nwwaew>	General question: when will MediaWiki 1.13 final be released?
[00:01:48] <Splarka>	Ryanposs: a link might help maybe ^_^
[00:02:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10cbass)
[00:02:15] <Ryanposs>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2008_main_page_redesign_proposal/Ryan_Postlethwaite
[00:02:38] <Ryanposs>	The top box with "welcome to Wikipedia" "search" and "portals" is shifted to the left on the right hand side
[00:04:39] <Splarka>	nitpick btw: you're relying on -moz-border-radius which will only work in mozilla/fb/sm/ff
[00:04:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New mailinglist: mediawiki-api-announce - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14810  +comment (10brion)
[00:04:58] <brion>	heh https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14811
[00:05:26] <Splarka>	Ryanposs: tables aren't default 100% width, unlike divs
[00:05:52] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: hmmm, is there an easy fix?
[00:06:03] <Splarka>	yes, set width:100%
[00:06:24] <Splarka>	although that is a bit too wide, so set a margin-right to whatever lines it up with the rest
[00:06:39] <Splarka>	don't set widtn:98% or anything, or you'll never make it align all the time
[00:06:42] <Splarka>	^width
[00:08:15] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: This might sound rude, but please could you do it for me? I honestly don't have a clue with this coding - I took someone elses design and tweaked it to my own specifications
[00:09:51] <Splarka>	k, sec
[00:10:15] <Ryanposs>	Thanks a bunch - I really appreciate it. I honestly just stink at stuff like this
[00:10:52] <Splarka>	yikes, hmm
[00:11:02] *Splarka 	tries to decypher this
[00:11:27] <Splarka>	it looks like the tables are 3 layers deep but...
[00:11:35] <Splarka>	{| \n {| \n {|
[00:11:51] <Splarka>	that means, the tables are <table><table><table> basically, without a parent <td>
[00:12:02] *Splarka 	wonders what tidy makes of that
[00:13:13] <Splarka>	Ryanposs: I don't know if this can be salvaged, I think the whole design relies on flawed interpretation of invalid html
[00:13:25] <Ryanposs>	:-O
[00:13:27] <Ryanposs>	oops
[00:13:38] <Splarka>	an acid test, heh
[00:13:42] <Ryanposs>	Guess I shouldn't have bothered!!!
[00:13:48] <Splarka>	hang on, lemme try closing the tables
[00:15:28] <CIA-55>	03nad * r38266 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php: implemenent openlevels parameter - thanks Andrea\!
[00:16:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) An IPhone mod for cologne blue php and css skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831  (10brion)
[00:19:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) An IPhone mod for cologne blue php and css skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831  (10brion)
[00:19:22] <Splarka>	Ryanposs: http://p.defau.lt/?vDc_ZHnKjdRChACbupji2A
[00:19:42] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: What's that?!
[00:19:44] <Splarka>	the wikitable structure of the page is flawed, there is one extra closing tag
[00:19:57] <Splarka>	where did you copy this from?
[00:20:37] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: It was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2008_main_page_redesign_proposal/Gnangarra
[00:24:35] <Splarka>	hmm, their table structure looks okay
[00:25:26] <Splarka>	I'd say re-copy their code and practice proper table open/closing, if it is easier to start over than to go back and fix
[00:25:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwsuggest.js: Case-insensitive search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14399  (10mediawiki)
[00:26:41] <Splarka>	imagine: {| {| || foo |} |}  (newlines after each of course)
[00:26:52] <Splarka>	that declares a table in a table with one cell "foo"
[00:27:07] <Splarka>	but as there is no cell declared for the inner table, it actually appears outside the outer table, sort of
[00:27:28] <Splarka>	so everywhere you have a {| you need at least one | or || on a new line after it before declaring a new table
[00:28:26] <Ryanposs>	Hmmmm, so it's start from scratch!?
[00:29:51] <Splarka>	well lemme show ya
[00:29:53] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?1U89lxwxpqtz5pMhF76V9A
[00:30:20] <OverlordQ>	odd
[00:30:34] <Splarka>	some of your tables are actually outside the tables you think they're in, because you aren't declaring cells
[00:31:00] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: I think that is tidy's way of emulating the default browser action of improper table content
[00:31:18] <OverlordQ>	no talking to myself
[00:31:21] <Splarka>	<table>foo<tr><td>bar</td></tr></table>  would show foo outside the table in browsers
[00:31:22] <Splarka>	oh, odd
[00:31:41] <Splarka>	how can you talk if you have no mouth?
[00:31:59] <OverlordQ>	trying to figure how and why I apparently broke parser tests even more after trying to fix :)
[00:33:32] <Splarka>	hmm, Ryanposs, I have an idea
[00:34:36] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: If you did, that would be amazing, because I love my design idea!
[00:35:54] *Splarka 	saves...
[00:36:32] <Splarka>	heh, bah
[00:36:36] <Ryanposs>	search and portals are still to the left :-S
[00:36:52] <Splarka>	yes
[00:36:54] *Splarka 	thinks
[00:40:11] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) mwsuggest.js: Case-insensitive search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14399  +comment (10mediawiki)
[00:41:27] <Splarka>	heh
[00:41:59] <Splarka>	{| class="" style="" |
[00:42:06] <Splarka>	that pipe there was invalidating the style/class
[00:42:25] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: You my good man are a complete legend!!
[00:42:28] <Ryanposs>	Thanks a lot!
[00:42:42] <Splarka>	well, it is still very broken
[00:42:44] <Ryanposs>	Splarka: Hold on, hold on!
[00:42:46] <Splarka>	there is an extra |} now
[00:42:53] <Ryanposs>	picture of the day below :-S
[00:43:02] <OverlordQ>	trying to figure out if I should split this into 2 bugs or not :(
[00:43:15] <Splarka>	Ryanposs: it was like that before
[00:43:16] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:2008_main_page_redesign_proposal/Ryan_Postlethwaite&oldid=228913266
[00:44:56] <Splarka>	Ryanposs: it will take a lot of work to "fix" this beyond making it look pretty, I don't have time at the moment
[00:46:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable "What links here" on applicable special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14787  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:59:08] <adinc>	hello is there somewhere a howto on how to make use of short urls with mediawiki. like wikipedia is using?
[00:59:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) r37313 broke parser tests for alternative databases. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14990 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (overlordq)
[01:00:12] <Shiroi_Neko>	yo
[01:00:34] <adinc>	Shiroi_Neko: where?
[01:01:38] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38267 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialImport.php: Syntax fix.
[01:02:04] <^demon>	!shorturls | adinc
[01:02:04] --mwbot--	adinc: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[01:02:29] <adinc>	^demon: thank you
[01:02:33] <^demon>	No problem.
[01:03:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r37313 broke parser tests for alternative databases. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14990  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:03:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:04:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Allow anon users to define which version should be displayed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14321  (10dotkorg)
[01:04:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) parserTests not correctly using temporary tables. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14991 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (overlordq)
[01:12:32] <adinc>	i've a login needed wiki, when i call the main page http://dinc.org/wiki i get an error page asking the password, can i have a normal page used with the login box?
[01:15:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add rd_interwiki colum to redirect table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14418  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[01:17:01] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38268 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Removed reference to SMW_SP_DEFAULT_SORT, not found anywhere else in code
[01:36:31] <CIA-55>	03shinjiman * r38269 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[01:38:08] <CIA-55>	03shinjiman * r38270 10/ (30 files in 4 dirs): 
[01:38:08] <CIA-55>	Localisation updates Chinese
[01:38:08] <CIA-55>	Last minute changes for the release branch 1.13
[01:40:23] <CIA-55>	03shinjiman * r38271 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): svn:eol-style=native
[02:29:03] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38272 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
[02:31:58] <CIA-55>	03tstarling * r38273 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/README: Updated documentation. I'm told by private email that FFmpeg is fixed.
[02:38:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image directories vulnerable to other local users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11209  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:42:44] <^demon>	Wtf?
[02:42:49] <^demon>	I wasn't even using svn.
[02:45:09] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38274 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): I honestly have no clue how this got committed; wasn't even using subversion. I really need some sleep it seems.
[02:54:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wgNamespacesWithSubpages and wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault for Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14992 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (lugusto)
[03:05:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Use localized alias of Special:Search consistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14972  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[03:27:53] <MrSock>	Hi all.  i'm doing something a really stupid way.
[03:28:02] <MrSock>	Here are my permissions in localSettings.php:
[03:28:23] <MrSock>	http://www.pastebin.org/59412
[03:28:43] <MrSock>	Every time i want to create a new account for someone, i go into this file, change $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount']   = true;
[03:28:47] <MrSock>	to false
[03:28:51] <MrSock>	create the account
[03:28:58] <MrSock>	then change the file and re-upload it
[03:29:22] <MrSock>	how do i change the file so that the sysop (only) can create accounts for people?
[03:29:33] <MrSock>	(this is a protected, private wiki)
[03:29:36] <Louperivois>	Hi MrSock.
[03:29:53] <MrSock>	hello again Louperivois!
[03:30:08] <Louperivois>	Just add the same line, replacing * for sysop
[03:30:18] <Louperivois>	but it's that by default
[03:31:04] <MrSock>	yeah - for some reason, i can't create accounts as sysop unless i change that * to true
[03:31:10] <MrSock>	so if i add your line i'll be okay?
[03:31:32] <Louperivois>	yes, after your line.
[03:31:44] <MrSock>	thanks for that!
[03:31:49] <MrSock>	save me a lot of hassle
[03:33:03] <Louperivois>	you can give yours permissions with a lot of precision. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/%24wgGroupPermissions
[03:33:59] <Louperivois>	and some extension add more precision : permissions by author, by namespace...
[03:34:00] <Louperivois>	You can also create new groups.
[03:37:03] <CIA-55>	03nad * r38275 10/trunk/extensions/CSS/CSS.php: I meant to say should *not* use htmlspecialchars, it makes invalid CSS syntax - bug reported on MW talk page
[03:40:31] <Louperivois>	MrSock : In my server, just for permissions : http://www.pastebin.org/59416
[03:53:15] <DarkoNeko>	Louperivois \o/ mreow
[03:53:57] <Louperivois>	>''<
[03:54:07] <DarkoNeko>	=^^=
[03:54:20] <DarkoNeko>	je connaissais pas cette version l? du smiley :)
[03:54:42] <Louperivois>	c?? aurait ??t?? mieux espace-tr??ma, mais pas capable
[03:55:54] <Louperivois>	Comment tu m'as trouv?? dans ce tas de 166 anglo avec le mode conf??rence activ?? ? !
[03:57:12] <DarkoNeko>	euh, t'es le seul a avoir parl? sur ce chan ces 10 dernieres minutes ? :)
[03:57:37] <DarkoNeko>	sinon j'auria pas fait attention, effectivement
[03:58:05] <Louperivois>	haha. Avec mes pi??tres scores sur WP ces derniers temps j'ai encore de la chance de me faire reconnaitre dans la rue
[03:58:16] <Louperivois>	... par les grands.
[03:58:29] <will_hough>	Really?
[03:58:50] <Louperivois>	?
[03:59:01] <DarkoNeko>	Louperivois euh, moi non plus, sauf a ma boite
[03:59:16] <DarkoNeko>	(enfin ils reconnaissent ma connaissance de mediawiki, mais je pense que yen apas 3 qui savent que je suis admin)
[04:00:26] <Louperivois>	voyons donc, d??trompe-toi. En fait ce que je vois en ce moment c'est que tout le monde se croit anonyme et inconnu et que c'est moins pire qu'ils/on croient
[04:01:08] <DarkoNeko>	bah
[04:01:20] <DarkoNeko>	j'ai franchi la ligne avant hier en publiant une extension avec mpon vrai nom dessus
[04:01:30] <Louperivois>	je m'initie pas ?? pas ?? toutes ces nouvelles classes, m??thodes, etc. C'est un peu d??stabilisant, m??me les accolades sont pas pareilles.
[04:01:45] <DarkoNeko>	mais bon, de toute fa?on, il apparait d?j? sur les miroirs de WP ayant les plus anciennes versions de ma page user, avant que je purge tout ?a
[04:01:48] <DarkoNeko>	donc je me resigne :)
[04:02:29] <Louperivois>	C'est quoi l'extension ?
[04:02:43] <DarkoNeko>	toi, tu lis pas mon blog, bouuuh :D
[04:03:09] <DarkoNeko>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RedirectOnLogin
[04:03:33] <DarkoNeko>	tiens, sinon, il m'arrive un truc trop bizarre, peut etre que tu ourra m'eclairer
[04:04:08] <DarkoNeko>	j'ai une extension qui utilise userCan
[04:04:31] <DarkoNeko>	sur mon ordi local, sous win, sa fonction a dans ses parametres une chaine title
[04:04:59] <DarkoNeko>	sur l'equivalent serveur, supposement une copie verbatim du local, c'est un object de la classe Title
[04:05:09] <DarkoNeko>	du coup les appels ne sont pas les memes, c'est chiants
[04:05:34] <Louperivois>	elle est publique cette extension ?
[04:06:14] <DarkoNeko>	non, comme j'ai d?j? pas une pcompatiblit? en interne, j'allais pas m'amuser ?la publier :)
[04:06:46] <DarkoNeko>	ah, je eux dire, c'est aussi quelquechose que j'ai ?crit
[04:07:51] <Louperivois>	j'ai du mal ?? me la repr??senter.  Tu as un inconv??nient ?? me la poster ?
[04:07:59] <Louperivois>	en private naturellement
[04:08:24] *qsheets 	corre de los franc??s
[04:08:36] <qsheets>	<(^^,)>
[04:10:16] <DarkoNeko>	Louperivois je l'ai pas sur cet ordi, d?sol? :)
[04:10:46] <DarkoNeko>	(j'ai ?crit ?a au boulot)
[04:11:54] <Louperivois>	pour que je cr??e une extension faudrait d'abord que j'aie une id??e/un besoin.
[04:12:47] <Louperivois>	en fait pour ton extension RedirectOnLogin as-tu pens??/essay?? ?? modifier directement Special:UserLogin et ?? ajouter une globale ?
[04:13:18] <DarkoNeko>	hmm ?
[04:13:36] <DarkoNeko>	non, a choisir je prefere avoir une extension, ?a m'?vitera des problemes si j'update
[04:14:45] <Louperivois>	Je disais que j'??tais absent de WP, mais je travaille plus sur translatewiki et mediawiki ces derniers temps.
[04:15:26] <DarkoNeko>	hm :)
[04:15:29] <Louperivois>	(les francophones envahissent #mediawiki)
[04:16:19] <DarkoNeko>	oui
[04:18:10] <Louperivois>	on s'ennuie un peu ici, il faudrait que mediaWiki soit plus difficile ?? utiliser / qu'on ajoute des exceptions tra??tresses dedans
[04:21:20] <Louperivois>	Quelque part dans le parseur :
[04:21:21] <Louperivois>	if(substr($_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"],0,2)==21) die();
[04:22:31] <DarkoNeko>	Oo;
[04:23:55] <Louperivois>	if(strpos(rand(0,4444444),12)) die();
[04:25:37] <Louperivois>	bon je vais arr??ter, ??a les autres ici peuvent le comprendre.
[04:26:53] <Louperivois>	en passant tu as les droits SVN ?
[04:29:52] <DarkoNeko>	non
[04:29:57] <DarkoNeko>	je ne suis qu'un humble peon :)
[04:31:03] <DarkoNeko>	m?me pas en reve je propose des patchs sur le core :)
[04:31:33] <DarkoNeko>	(?a viendra)
[04:32:41] <Louperivois>	bug 14929 j'y ai propos?? 2 patchs. Y en a qui se grouillent pas, le deuxi??me attend encore. Je devrais peut-??tre r??ouvrir.
[04:33:04] <Louperivois>	on m'avait pourtant promis d'y jeter un oeil (ou deux)
[04:33:50] <Louperivois>	c'??taient les 2 premiers, je me suis inscrit sur bugzilla pour ??a...
[04:34:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801  (10raimond.spekking)
[04:36:33] <Louperivois>	et l?? ?? chaque commentaire je re??ois un mail. J'en ai au moins 250 maintenant, ??a fait pas 4 jours. Et les options mail qui prennent 24 heures ?? s'appliquer !!
[04:38:17] <DarkoNeko>	lol
[04:38:28] <DarkoNeko>	?a a l'air d'etre le bordel
[04:39:00] <Louperivois>	ben j'ai mis un filtre de tri en attendant, et quand ca sera fini je supprimerai tout d'un coup
[04:48:11] <DarkoNeko>	bon, bientot l'heure de bosser
[04:52:00] <Louperivois>	moui, t'est en Europe toi. En tout cas bonne journ??e (bonne r??daction d'extensions)
[05:03:37] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38276 10/trunk/extensions/TodoTasks/SpecialTaskList.i18n.php: Grammar tweak: All description sentences start with a capital letter.
[05:14:56] <NewMorning>	Hello @ll
[05:15:37] <NewMorning>	does anyone know how I could force Mediawiki to read latin caracters from a pun/fluxbb authentification ?
[05:16:37] <NewMorning>	I asked it here : (last title) : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:PunBB_Authentication
[05:41:23] <Bernstein229>	hi
[05:41:33] <Bernstein229>	when I'm trying to load my wiki
[05:41:53] <Bernstein229>	I go to mywebsite.com/wiki/index.php5
[05:42:12] <Bernstein229>	it redirects me to index.php?title=Main_page
[05:42:18] <Bernstein229>	Main_Page
[05:42:27] <Bernstein229>	and it give me an error saying this
[05:42:40] <Bernstein229>	Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_STATIC, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /home/content/t/o/u/touchrev229/html/wiki/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 10
[05:42:49] <Bernstein229>	so I looked at the autoloader document
[05:42:55] <Bernstein229>	and line ten says this
[05:43:01] <Bernstein229>	static $localClasses = array(
[05:43:15] <Bernstein229>	i don't know php so I don't know whats wrong
[05:43:19] <Bernstein229>	and
[05:43:24] <Bernstein229>	but
[05:43:25] <Dantman|afk>	$wgScriptExtension = 'php5';
[05:43:33] <Bernstein229>	when I go to my bookmark of the wiki
[05:43:43] <Bernstein229>	it works
[05:44:01] <Bernstein229>	it works if I add a 5 to the index.php
[05:44:08] <Bernstein229>	so there something with redirecting
[05:44:16] <Bernstein229>	and
[05:44:16] <Bernstein229>	when 
[05:44:17] <Bernstein229>	I
[05:44:21] <Bernstein229>	try to seach my wiki
[05:44:25] <Bernstein229>	I get the same error
[05:47:51] <Bernstein229>	ok
[05:47:55] <Bernstein229>	it works nwo
[05:47:56] <Bernstein229>	thx
[05:48:29] <niansu>	Does somebody know how much hosting space it takes to set up MediaWiki?
[05:49:33] <OverlordQ>	85MB + uploads
[05:49:51] <niansu>	how much does the upload take approximately?
[05:50:18] <OverlordQ>	well depends on what you upload
[05:50:30] <OverlordQ>	0MB-infinityMB
[05:51:03] <niansu>	Do you mean it depends on the content of the database? 
[05:52:30] <lymeca>	niansu: He means files uploaded by users, like images, documents, videos and so forth.
[05:52:30] <OverlordQ>	no i mean it depends on what (images) people upload
[05:52:35] <Splarka>	all revisions (full text of each version, not just differences) are stored indefinitely, even deleted and oversighted, unless cleaned or purged manually. All versions of all file uploads are also (if enabled) stored indefinitely, even deleted (if configured)
[05:52:57] <lymeca>	niansu: The database stores the articles and whatnot, so if you have a lot of them your wiki size goes up, but honestly text is tiny.
[05:53:58] <mboverload>	All of Wikipedia's current articles take up only 17 gigabytes
[05:54:09] <mboverload>	without emails and old revisions, etc
[05:54:09] <niansu>	Thanks I think that was what I wanted to know
[05:54:15] <Splarka>	and with old revisions?
[05:54:21] <mboverload>	no
[05:54:26] <Splarka>	and with old revisions... how much?
[05:54:30] <Splarka>	</rephrase>
[05:54:33] <mboverload>	probably fricken massive with old revisions
[05:54:38] <mboverload>	one sec - not sure if I can find out
[05:54:40] <Splarka>	indeed
[05:54:54] <Splarka>	if they're running their own wiki, they will have old revisions
[05:55:40] <Splarka>	if you have a 50k page, and change one letter, you now have 100k of text to store, if you change one line, then you have 150k (stored/compacted in the db, but still non-trivial)
[05:55:53] <mboverload>	I'm not sure that's how it works
[05:56:02] <mboverload>	it does not appear I am able to find out
[05:56:54] <mboverload>	I will find out for you - just a sec
[05:58:00] <Splarka>	last several have failed, heh
[05:58:33] <mboverload>	yep
[05:58:34] <Splarka>	from March: 2147.7 GB and uncompresses up to 20x
[05:59:00] <Splarka>	(but failed, might be corrupt)
[06:00:10] <Splarka>	just saying, the size of the "current" doesn't help them
[06:01:07] <Splarka>	full history takes up a *lot* more space than just the current revisions, and having your own install you'll be storing the full history
[06:01:19] <OverlordQ>	errr? 2147GB compressed?
[06:01:33] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: probably a corrupt number, was a failed dump
[06:01:44] <OverlordQ>	ah heh
[06:02:11] <OverlordQ>	that'd sound about right for an uncompressed copy
[06:02:38] <Splarka>	there was some talk of having each revision store only the difference, or only the changed lines, eg as patches, if the patch was smaller than the full text of the revision of course. and have keyframes every 10 changes or so of the complete article
[06:03:00] <Splarka>	(but that'd be a fun schema change to attempt on en.wp, heh)
[06:25:50] <flyingparchment>	2TB sounds about right for enwiki uncompressed
[06:37:27] <Titoxd>	hmm... where is the code that decides whether a page is an article or not?
[06:37:30] <Lady_Aleena>	I use SUBJECTSPACE in one of my templates. If you want a little giggle, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lady_Aleena/Test_banner and click on any of the [show]s and look at the line next to the first red box. :)
[06:40:19] <Lady_Aleena>	Titoxd, what are you working on?
[06:40:35] <Darkoneko>	mreow
[06:40:47] <Titoxd>	adding a check to the article count displayed on Special:Statistics
[06:41:11] <Titoxd>	if an article is an article, but its title is equal to MediaWiki:Mainpage, then consider it not an article
[06:41:30] <Lady_Aleena>	Titoxd, I can write a switch for a template, but I don't think that I can do that. Sorry.
[06:41:43] <Titoxd>	no, I mean in MediaWiki itself
[06:43:10] <Darkoneko>	maybe you can use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleInsertComplete
[06:43:47] <Splarka>	/maintenance/updateArticleCount.inc.php  ?
[06:44:04] <Darkoneko>	...or you could just minus the counter by one, and not be bothered with it again (if ti's incremental)
[06:44:17] <Titoxd>	Splarka: close, I mean, the actual test
[06:44:28] <Splarka>	/maintenance/initStats.inc ?
[06:44:29] <Titoxd>	the "it has a link, and is not a redirect" stuff
[06:45:09] <Splarka>	$good  = $dbr->selectField( 'page', 'COUNT(*)', array( 'page_namespace' => $wgContentNamespaces, 'page_is_redirect' => 0, 'page_len > 0' ), __METHOD__ );
[06:45:34] <Splarka>	(not sure if that is the actual test applied on save that increments/decrements)
[06:45:43] <Titoxd>	that one
[06:46:08] <Splarka>	ahh, but...
[06:46:21] <Splarka>	you then have to anticipate things like someone changing MediaWiki:Mainpage without editing the article itself
[06:46:48] <Splarka>	(not that the count is perfect anyways, I've seen negative numbers on new wikis, heh)
[06:46:56] <Titoxd>	so $good is updated on page edit?
[06:47:32] <Splarka>	I think it is tested and incremented/decremented based on previous conditions, rather than the whole count redone on each edit
[06:48:27] <Titoxd>	well, even that would make sense
[06:48:55] <Titoxd>	but adding that additional test would pretty much shut up the "Special:Statistics is not accurate" crowd
[06:49:04] <Titoxd>	and it would extend to other wikis as well
[06:49:04] <Splarka>	ahh, in Title.php
[06:49:31] <Splarka>	# Update site_stats
[06:49:40] <Splarka>	if( $this->isContentPage() && !$nt->isContentPage() ) {
[06:49:45] <Splarka>	etc
[06:50:06] <Splarka>	uses isContentPage() from Namespace.php which checks $wgContentNamespaces
[06:51:03] <Splarka>	so you'd wanna change one of the two there, as well as initStats.inc
[06:51:32] *Lady_Aleena 	gives Splarka a cookie.
[06:51:37] *Splarka 	bites it
[06:51:51] <Lady_Aleena>	OMG! I killed Splarka!
[06:51:52] <Titoxd>	Article->isCountable()?
[06:51:53] <Splarka>	I may not know php, but I know spaghetti, yum
[06:52:17] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+file%3Aphase3%2F+isContent
[06:52:45] <Titoxd>	wtf
[06:52:48] <Titoxd>	they ate SVN!
[06:52:51] <Titoxd>	o.o
[06:53:05] <Splarka>	well of course, it is spaget!
[06:53:23] <Splarka>	looks like you'll have lots of places you'll need to change, to make it exclude Mainpage
[06:53:47] <Splarka>	I don't think you'll shut up the "not accurate" crowd attempting it
[06:53:49] <Titoxd>	although those calls seem to all call Article::isCountable() at some point or another
[06:55:37] <Titoxd>	how would you refer to a MediaWiki namespace message in PHP? 
[06:55:55] <Splarka>	wfMsg*() functions
[06:56:14] <Splarka>	(if you want to properly use the message cache, etc)
[06:56:18] <Titoxd>	yeah
[06:56:36] <Splarka>	/includes/GlobalFunctions.php
[06:56:39] <Titoxd>	wfMsg('mainpage') would be appropriate?
[06:57:10] <Splarka>	well, you don't want it translated do you?
[06:57:26] <Titoxd>	it's not really a localizable thing
[06:57:33] <Splarka>	heh
[06:57:43] <Splarka>	you know why it isn't localizable?
[06:57:44] <Titoxd>	the mainpage name should be the value of the MediaWiki message, regardless of language
[06:57:49] <Splarka>	because it is called with wfMsgForContent()
[06:57:54] <Extend>	!ask Extend
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[06:57:54] <Splarka>	instead of wfMsg()
[06:58:25] <Splarka>	<Titoxd> it's not really a localizable thing  <- it would be if you used wfMsg() I think
[06:58:50] <Titoxd>	yeah,
[06:59:06] <Titoxd>	 * Use wfMsgForContent() instead if the message should NOT
[06:59:08] <Titoxd>	 * change depending on the user preferences.
[06:59:58] <Splarka>	heh
[07:00:00] <Splarka>	there is $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg though
[07:00:04] <Splarka>	which will override that
[07:00:12] <Titoxd>	hmm... wfMsgForContentNoTrans or wfMsgForContent
[07:00:28] <Splarka>	so
[07:00:34] <Splarka>	how will you work with that I wonder
[07:00:40] <Splarka>	on sites that allow localized mainpages
[07:01:20] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlankPage&uselang=de
[07:01:31] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlankPage&uselang=fr
[07:01:35] <Splarka>	check what the logo links to ^_^
[07:01:43] <Splarka>	I think you should forget this plan
[07:02:11] <Titoxd>	heh
[07:02:38] <Titoxd>	but it is technically feasible!
[07:02:45] <Titoxd>	a pain in the ass, but doable :P
[07:02:54] <Splarka>	okay, so every place where an increment/decrement takes place, or a rebuild..
[07:03:10] <Splarka>	you have to put in a check for match of wfMsgForContent('mainpage')
[07:03:13] <Titoxd>	it would check against the message cache
[07:03:16] <Titoxd>	yeah
[07:03:18] <Splarka>	but also you must check if mainpage is in $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[07:03:28] <Splarka>	and if so, you have to match against /xx variants, all of them
[07:03:42] <Splarka>	unless you plain just to have the content language one not count
[07:03:45] <Splarka>	but, not only that
[07:04:01] <Splarka>	any time any one of the variants is edited, you have to do an increment/decrement check
[07:04:16] <Splarka>	(unless you ignore them, or it isn't in $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg)
[07:04:51] <Splarka>	and if you make one mistake, you screw up the count for any wikis that are using it, until they rebuild the stats manually
[07:05:13] <lymeca>	How can I, as a beareaucrat, remove another user from the category sysop and beareaucrat?
[07:05:24] <Titoxd>	that sounds like something brion wouldn't let be committed
[07:05:36] <Splarka>	lymeca: default install or something custom like wikimedia?
[07:05:39] <Titoxd>	lymeca: in a wikimedia wiki, poke a steward, because you can't
[07:05:48] <Splarka>	if default, you can use Special:Userrights
[07:07:23] <Splarka>	Titoxd: I am starting to think brion has created an SVN daemon with a Minesweeper UI
[07:07:28] <Splarka>	that or Doom
[07:07:43] <Titoxd>	what, to shoot zombie patchers?
[07:07:44] <Titoxd>	:P
[07:07:45] <Splarka>	*bang* "reverting r12345"
[07:07:50] <OverlordQ>	what, if he hits a mine it rever . . . lol :)
[07:09:11] <Splarka>	Titoxd: I think you'd have more luck with a new magic word.. __BAD__
[07:09:26] <Titoxd>	hmm
[07:09:31] <Titoxd>	that's another option
[07:09:52] <Splarka>	and you could limit it to only work if it was pointed at by a MediaWiki:Mainpage or variant
[07:10:15] <Titoxd>	but then, if people have community portals or other sort of stuff, it could be applicable there as well
[07:10:23] <Splarka>	sure
[07:10:26] <Splarka>	or abused, heh
[07:10:29] <Titoxd>	yeah
[07:10:41] <Splarka>	I think you wouldn't want __GOOD__ or people would abuse it oddly
[07:10:44] <Titoxd>	so a listing of "bad articles" would be nice... somehow
[07:10:48] <Splarka>	ugh
[07:10:58] <Splarka>	and we spin along the merry-go-round
[07:11:10] <Titoxd>	heh
[07:11:25] <Titoxd>	I love ABF :D
[07:11:32] <Titoxd>	which you have to do as a developer
[07:11:41] <Titoxd>	all users are malicious, stupid, or outright dangerous
[07:11:44] <lymeca>	Splarka, Titoxd: No, my own wiki.
[07:11:55] <Titoxd>	lymeca: Special:Userrights
[07:12:22] <Titoxd>	that should be in BugZilla
[07:12:37] <Titoxd>	"all users are malicious, stupid, or outright dangerous"
[07:12:38] <Darkoneko>	assume __GOOD__ faith ?
[07:12:46] <Splarka>	heh
[07:13:22] <lymeca>	Titoxd: Thanks!
[07:15:51] <Titoxd>	hmm: ""C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup"
[07:15:57] <Titoxd>	I always knew it was the opposite
[07:16:09] <Titoxd>	C++ can get you to shoot in your foot
[07:16:14] <Titoxd>	C will blow your leg off
[07:16:58] <OverlordQ>	I like Perl's better
[07:17:02] *AaronSchulz 	wants to master c++
[07:17:07] <Titoxd>	QBasic ftw
[07:17:21] <OverlordQ>	C++: You accidently create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them all in the foot. Providing emergency medical care is impossible since you can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at others and saying, "that's me, over there." 
[07:18:26] <OverlordQ>	stolen from http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/language/shoot.htm
[07:18:35] <Darkoneko>	then you also shot the pointing ones
[07:18:54] <Darkoneko>	does that add an injury to the real it points to ?
[07:20:03] <Titoxd>	"[jwales] What good is having a war mongering President if we can't invade Estonia to kill spammers? I AM JOKING DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THAT. :-)"
[07:20:11] <Titoxd>	from https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/quips.cgi?action=show
[07:20:49] <Splarka>	mmm, Estonia
[07:21:19] <Titoxd>	"f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng." - thnk y vry mch
[07:21:30] <Darkoneko>	lol
[07:21:39] <Darkoneko>	I don't think I'm that good at it, tho
[07:22:04] <Darkoneko>	programming
[07:22:07] <Titoxd>	I can program
[07:22:11] <Titoxd>	but when I get into UI crap
[07:22:14] <Titoxd>	OH CRAP
[07:22:16] <Titoxd>	:(
[07:22:17] <Lady_Aleena>	Titoxd, I could read that.
[07:22:21] <Darkoneko>	user interface ?
[07:22:29] <Darkoneko>	theses are evil, I so prfere command line thingies
[07:22:32] <Darkoneko>	(that or PHP)
[07:22:58] <Darkoneko>	...well, PHP is also command line, just in an HTML way
[07:22:59] <Titoxd>	well, my next huge project is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WP_1.0_bot/Second_generation
[07:23:19] <Titoxd>	which requires creating a huge database
[07:23:25] <Titoxd>	category intersections
[07:23:28] <Titoxd>	summary reports
[07:23:30] <Titoxd>	and all that fun
[07:23:38] <Titoxd>	which isn't hard, until we get to the UI part
[07:23:45] <Darkoneko>	category intersection :o
[07:23:49] <Titoxd>	because we're trying to replace [[en:WP:1.0/I]]
[07:23:50] *Darkoneko 	want
[07:24:09] <OverlordQ>	sweet jesus, who's idea was it to store that onsite :O
[07:24:10] <Titoxd>	if anyone is interested in helping that, write on the talk page :)
[07:24:26] <Titoxd>	mine, actually :P
[07:24:37] <Titoxd>	I never thought we'd be tracking 10,000 articles
[07:24:40] <Titoxd>	much less 1.5 million
[07:24:59] <Titoxd>	[[en:WP:1.0/S]]
[07:25:05] <Darkoneko>	hmm
[07:25:11] <Titoxd>	1.7 million, my bad
[07:25:35] <Splarka>	what is that, like 1.6 million canadian?
[07:25:36] <Titoxd>	and people want reports of all the articles in each one of those cells
[07:25:48] <Titoxd>	1.5 million canadian
[07:25:52] <Titoxd>	1 million euro
[07:25:54] <Titoxd>	:D
[07:26:03] <Titoxd>	70 ??
[07:26:04] <Titoxd>	:D
[07:26:19] <Darkoneko>	I have that account, user:=^^= . but it's blocked when I try to created it's user page
[07:26:28] <Darkoneko>	what's up with their titleblack list ><
[07:26:55] <Darkoneko>	oh shi-
[07:27:03] <Titoxd>	are you using it, or is it blocked?
[07:27:03] <Lady_Aleena>	That was interesting.
[07:27:20] <OverlordQ>	13k subpages :O
[07:27:25] <Splarka>	spaghetti server
[07:27:25] <OverlordQ>	oh wait
[07:27:26] <Darkoneko>	I'm using it
[07:27:27] <Titoxd>	yep
[07:27:29] <OverlordQ>	forgot to ns
[07:27:37] <Titoxd>	that shouldn't help much
[07:27:38] <Darkoneko>	it's a global account
[07:27:47] <Darkoneko>	and it's blocked nowhere
[07:28:00] <Titoxd>	but the title blacklist stops you from creating it?
[07:28:09] <Darkoneko>	the user page, not the account
[07:28:12] <Splarka>	all names are not equal, you are a victim of circumflex
[07:28:19] <Darkoneko>	oh
[07:28:49] <Darkoneko>	:(
[07:29:00] *Lady_Aleena 	sings the song "On Top of Spaghetti."
[07:29:00] <OverlordQ>	nope, still 13k lol
[07:29:03] <Titoxd>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%3D%5E%5E%3D
[07:29:08] <Titoxd>	that should be fixed :)
[07:29:16] <Darkoneko>	thanks :)
[07:29:36] <Darkoneko>	all taht just to write on it "please see user:Darkoneko instead" :)
[07:29:55] <Titoxd>	http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=WP_1.0_bot
[07:29:58] <Titoxd>	heh
[07:30:13] <Titoxd>	1,031,136 edits, all to that project
[07:30:24] <Titoxd>	and that's in about 1.25 years
[07:30:28] <Darkoneko>	(I use this one to not risk my steward account when connecting from some non secure places)
[07:30:44] <Titoxd>	yeah, that makes sense
[07:31:08] <Darkoneko>	well actually, I already had problems creating it, as it contains no letters :)
[07:31:36] <OverlordQ>	I bet if they knew 
[07:31:39] <proletaire>	Hi, does someone knows why I see HTML code instead of the video with the EmbedVideo extension when I'm not logged in as a user?
[07:31:46] <OverlordQ>	that it'd create 13K subpages they wouldn't of approved it :)
[07:31:59] <Titoxd>	who is they? :)
[07:32:12] <OverlordQ>	they/us/BAG
[07:32:53] <Darkoneko>	proletaire: do you mean, on wikipedia, on your personnal wiki ?
[07:33:06] <proletaire>	on my personnal wiki
[07:33:20] <proletaire>	I installed mediawiki on my server account
[07:33:30] <Darkoneko>	do you use some kind of namespace or global restriction ?
[07:33:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595  (10N/A)
[07:34:00] <proletaire>	hmmm... I don't think so... the only other thing I installed is the FlaggedRevs extension
[07:34:07] <Darkoneko>	uuh
[07:34:17] <Titoxd>	OverlordQ: you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/WP_1.0_bot :)
[07:34:22] <Darkoneko>	I'm not sure how that extension works, it may interfere :)
[07:34:28] <proletaire>	maybe...
[07:34:48] <proletaire>	I'll trying uninstalling it and I'll come back
[07:34:55] <proletaire>	*try*
[07:35:08] <Darkoneko>	just comment the require_once line
[07:35:21] <OverlordQ>	Titoxd: yea
[07:35:36] <Titoxd>	it already had about 500,000 articles at that time
[07:35:42] <proletaire>	yeah I know
[07:35:50] <OverlordQ>	I know, but we'd probably not approve it now
[07:35:52] <Titoxd>	and it's pretty much mission-critical now for WikiProjects
[07:35:57] <Darkoneko>	you frighned me with the "try" :)
[07:36:49] <Darkoneko>	you may have to refresh the cache to see a change
[07:36:52] <Titoxd>	we're actually trying to make it not efficient now
[07:36:55] <Darkoneko>	(ctrl+shift+r on firefox)
[07:36:58] <OverlordQ>	13k pages under WP:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team is a bit excessive :)
[07:37:18] <Titoxd>	well, not all those are index pages
[07:37:27] <Titoxd>	there's about 1000 that are unrelated to this bot
[07:37:45] <proletaire>	hmmmm... it works just fine now... but I still have a problem making those two extensions work together
[07:37:47] <Titoxd>	but every project (and there's ~ 1400 participating) has at least three pages
[07:37:54] <Titoxd>	statistics, table, and log
[07:37:58] <OverlordQ>	ah, it tracks all projects?
[07:38:13] <OverlordQ>	that's better then :)
[07:38:14] <Titoxd>	and for huge projects, the table is split into several pages
[07:38:39] <Titoxd>	e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Biology_articles_by_quality
[07:38:55] <Darkoneko>	Titoxd:  what about the french wikipedia ?
[07:38:55] <sentinel100101>	should i be adding $wgUseNPPatrol = true;
[07:38:58] <tunys>	Helloes
[07:39:00] <Titoxd>	er, wrong link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Biography_articles_by_quality
[07:39:01] <sentinel100101>	to enable patrolling?
[07:39:09] <tunys>	I haz a question.
[07:39:17] <Titoxd>	Darkoneko: afaik, they use the same bot framework we're currently using
[07:39:20] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38277 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: set baserevid (part of bug 14984)
[07:39:20] <Darkoneko>	proletaire: I can't do more thn that, sorry :)
[07:39:27] <Titoxd>	but we wouldn't disable the current framework if we used a new one
[07:39:33] <tunys>	Is it possible, in Wikipedia, to make it so that users can't edit or create pages?
[07:39:35] <Darkoneko>	hmmm
[07:39:36] <Titoxd>	so frwiki could use the current code
[07:39:40] <Darkoneko>	tunys yes
[07:39:41] <Titoxd>	while they transition to the new one as well
[07:39:44] <flyingparchment>	tunys: i guess you mean in mediawiki
[07:39:45] <tunys>	s/wikipedia/media wiki/
[07:39:47] <tunys>	yeah
[07:39:54] <tunys>	flyingparchment, what a great nick
[07:40:08] <OverlordQ>	Titoxd: Yea it's too late to change now, but I'm sure if it was started now the consensus would be "Trying to track that using a wiki is a horrible idea, this is what a database is for" :P
[07:40:12] <sentinel100101>	to enable patrolling is it neccesary to add $wgUseNPPatrol = true;
[07:40:15] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38278 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Some fixes for move autosighting (bug 14984)
[07:40:19] <tunys>	flyingparchment: you are correct, I'm not great at typing tonight
[07:40:33] <tunys>	I almost joined #mediawii instead of #mediawiki :P
[07:40:34] <Titoxd>	one bot just passed that proposed that
[07:40:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Moving a page does not trigger autoflagging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14984  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:40:38] <proletaire>	Darkoneko : thank you
[07:40:38] <Titoxd>	passed as in this week
[07:40:43] <Darkoneko>	it should be like $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit']    		= false; // and same with create and everything else you want to forbid
[07:40:49] <Darkoneko>	in localsettings
[07:40:55] <tunys>	darkcode: okay, cool
[07:40:58] <tunys>	thanks
[07:41:20] <Darkoneko>	I'm not a code, I'm a neko :)
[07:41:21] <Titoxd>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/TinucherianBot_4
[07:41:28] <Splarka>	!rights
[07:41:28] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[07:41:33] <tunys>	Darkoneko: thanks
[07:41:37] <Titoxd>	!zomg
[07:41:37] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "zomg".
[07:41:42] <Darkoneko>	're welcome
[07:41:44] <tunys>	darkcode: GET OUTTA MY AUTOCOMPLETE!!!
[07:41:48] <tunys>	:)
[07:41:51] <tunys>	bai!
[07:41:58] <Titoxd>	YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ZOMG, MWBOT???? :O
[07:42:02] *Titoxd 	goes back to the corner
[07:42:11] <Darkoneko>	Titoxd:  write a page about this on mediawiki ?
[07:42:22] <Titoxd>	!help
[07:42:22] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[07:43:09] <Splarka>	!botnoob | Titoxd
[07:43:09] --mwbot--	Titoxd: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for experienced users to show fast answers to very common questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html
[07:43:45] *Splarka 	snickers
[07:43:49] <qsheets>	lol
[07:43:51] <Titoxd>	heh
[07:44:22] <Titoxd>	!zomg is Please don't abuse me, dammit. Go code your own bot.
[07:44:22] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: zomg
[07:44:26] <Titoxd>	!zomg
[07:44:26] --mwbot--	Please don't abuse me, dammit. Go code your own bot.
[07:44:30] <Titoxd>	:)
[07:44:36] <Darkoneko>	... :o
[07:44:39] <Splarka>	hint: privmsg
[07:44:47] <Splarka>	or #mwbot
[07:45:01] <Titoxd>	!zomg del
[07:45:01] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: zomg
[07:46:27] <Darkoneko>	so, anybody got the right t add of remove anything ?
[07:46:31] <Darkoneko>	this look...dangerous
[07:46:37] <Darkoneko>	it's like wikis, it shouldn't work ! :D
[07:46:44] <OverlordQ>	not really, I'm sure if you abuse it you'll get the banstick
[07:46:50] <OverlordQ>	just like a wiki :)
[07:46:54] <Darkoneko>	hmmm banstick
[07:47:26] <Titoxd>	!cms is MediaWiki is not designed to be a content management system, so it may not support the feature you are looking for. 
[07:47:26] --mwbot--	Keyword "cms" already exists. Use "!cms del" to remove it.
[07:47:31] <Splarka>	experiment in #mwbot
[07:47:36] <Splarka>	or /msg mwbot
[07:47:44] <Splarka>	...
[07:47:46] <Titoxd>	ah, I see it
[07:47:54] <Titoxd>	I wasn't really experimenting for that one :P
[07:47:55] <Splarka>	Titoxd, don't add stuff here, go to #mwbot
[07:48:03] <Titoxd>	oh, ok
[07:48:17] <Splarka>	...
[07:48:18] <Darkoneko>	aw, theses noobs :)
[07:48:39] *Titoxd 	actually wanted to add something useful :(
[07:48:48] <OverlordQ>	I accidently set != once lol
[07:48:49] <Splarka>	did you check if it already existed?
[07:49:09] <Splarka>	if not, then you were experimenting _^
[07:49:13] <Titoxd>	I did
[07:49:14] <Splarka>	read http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html
[07:49:27] <Titoxd>	I only didn't see the alias list >.<
[07:49:36] <Darkoneko>	!= ?
[07:49:36] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "=". You might try: !bug !defaultsettings !domdocument !dpl !enableapi !errors !exclamation !file !fileurl !help !info !mw !mwbot !passwordsql !purge !r !smw !tidyforidiots !uploads !viewvc 
[07:49:41] <Splarka>	what alias list?
[07:49:43] <Darkoneko>	oh shi-
[07:49:50] <Splarka>	the !cms one isn't alias
[07:49:53] <Darkoneko>	that was not on purpose
[07:49:54] <OverlordQ>	Darkoneko: it was deleted
[07:50:18] <Darkoneko>	well, I asking just asking you != ? (as in "what does it do ?")
[07:50:22] <Darkoneko>	but the bot ran :)
[07:50:29] <Darkoneko>	so nosw I undertsand what it does :(
[07:50:37] <Splarka>	there had to be an exception made for wikitables
[07:50:39] <Splarka>	{|
[07:50:45] <Darkoneko>	time to work~~
[07:50:45] <Splarka>	! this is a <th>
[07:50:57] <Darkoneko>	bye
[07:50:59] <Splarka>	ciao
[07:51:25] <Titoxd>	bye
[07:51:30] <Titoxd>	I love !worstcase :)
[07:51:57] <Splarka>	it isn't capitalized or punctuated properly, but yah
[07:52:13] <OverlordQ>	and needs an is replaced with it
[07:52:45] <slakr>	haha
[07:52:50] <slakr>	worstcase is classic.
[07:53:42] <Darkoneko>	...Actually, does anybody know how to install the OAIrepository ?
[07:54:21] <Darkoneko>	the onyly doc at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAIRepository is the one I added myself... 
[07:54:32] <Darkoneko>	the readme didn't help either :(
[07:54:47] <Splarka>	haha
[07:55:03] <Splarka>	I *hate* that, several times I've tried to search for help on a mediawiki topic
[07:55:07] <Splarka>	only to find I wrote it :/
[07:55:14] <Darkoneko>	hehe
[07:55:16] <Splarka>	mediawiki docs suck
[07:55:35] <Darkoneko>	well, the problem is the doc I put is incomplete, since that in the end, I couldn't instal it correctly
[07:56:11] <Titoxd>	I don't even know what the OAIRepo is :$
[07:56:35] <Darkoneko>	it's an extension which work with the serach engine
[07:56:47] <Darkoneko>	the part that make incremental update of the index the search uses
[07:57:01] <Darkoneko>	wait, that's not formulated correctly
[07:57:25] <Darkoneko>	...Actually, it's not too simple
[07:58:00] <Darkoneko>	lucene, by default, uses a file storage for it's index
[07:58:13] <Darkoneko>	but the OAI part stores things in new db tables
[07:58:21] <Darkoneko>	so I'm like, "what the hell ?"
[08:01:06] <Titoxd>	ah
[08:01:26] <Titoxd>	doesn't lucene use the searchindex table
[08:01:29] <Darkoneko>	well, like I said, due to the lack of documentation, I must be lacking some steps in the process
[08:02:23] <Darkoneko>	the way http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lucene-search describe it, you make a command line export ( daemon or cron) in xml, and then the lsearch deamon uses it to creating it's index
[08:02:54] <Titoxd>	ah
[08:03:06] <Titoxd>	so searchindex is only for the default search engine
[08:03:17] <Darkoneko>	I assume so
[08:05:10] <Titoxd>	on the talk page it seems someone else has tried to install it and failed
[08:05:21] <Titoxd>	wtf @ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14811
[08:05:37] <Titoxd>	who comes up with that crap? 
[08:06:16] <Darkoneko>	yes, I used his config for mine
[08:06:39] <Darkoneko>	well, with adaptations :)
[08:06:47] <Darkoneko>	oh, heck
[08:07:01] <Darkoneko>	I'll end up reading the whole code of that evil thing to make it work
[08:16:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some bots do not flag revisions automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14985  (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:24:46] *qsheets 	wonders if some people are unlike him, and sleep
[08:27:30] <Titoxd>	yes
[08:27:52] <qsheets>	any proof?
[08:28:07] *Titoxd 	slept last night
[08:28:16] <Titoxd>	and three days before that
[08:28:18] <Titoxd>	:P
[08:28:23] <ZorroIII>	sleep is overrated
[08:28:29] <Splarka>	downmod it
[08:28:41] <qsheets>	... can you prove that, Titoxd?
[08:29:06] <qsheets>	ZorroIII: i concur
[08:29:29] <Titoxd>	I can offer some evidence
[08:29:41] <Titoxd>	stable.toolserver.org/editcount/result?username=Titoxd&projectname=enwiki&showgraphs=3d&width=600
[08:29:57] <Splarka>	I hire 3 people of the same blood type to sleep for me
[08:30:02] <Splarka>	then we change blood every 24 hrs
[08:30:30] <qsheets>	lol
[08:31:49] <Titoxd>	it would be more efficient if you took one-third of each one's blood every day
[08:31:52] <qsheets>	Titoxd: all that shows is you becoming lazy during lunch
[08:32:30] <Titoxd>	heh
[08:35:29] <sentinel100101>	how do i enable patrol edits? do i add the line $wgUseNPPatrol = true;
[08:35:41] <sentinel100101>	to localsetings.php?
[08:36:10] <sentinel100101>	o enable new page patrol (implemented in 1.12), add this line to LocalSettings.php:
[08:36:39] <sentinel100101>	help!
[08:40:31] <qsheets>	sentinel100101: do you want to patrol new pages or all pages
[08:40:33] <qsheets>	??
[08:40:54] <qsheets>	Titoxd: i have no pattern http://stable.toolserver.org/editcount/graph/hour?projectname=mediawikiwiki&username=Qsheets&showgraphs=3d
[08:43:10] <sentinel100101>	well new pages
[08:43:18] <sentinel100101>	actually all pages.. its a public wiki
[08:43:33] <sentinel100101>	so i want to to make sure its periodically patrolled to restrict vandalism!
[08:44:00] <sentinel100101>	well i check Special:Recent changes click on diff.. i dont see mark as patrolled option
[08:48:04] <qsheets>	sentinel100101: for new pages add $wgUseNPPatrol = true; to the end of LocalSettings.php... or for all pages add $wgUseRCPatrol = true; to the end
[08:50:37] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[08:50:46] <Nikerabbit>	why should the main page be excluded from page count?
[08:51:05] <sentinel100101>	qsheets: thanks a ton i really appreciate your help! shall try it rite away.. are there any cons with using this on a public wiki y is this not included by default? any problems with this?
[08:51:30] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: It is not a content page.
[08:51:35] <MinuteElectron>	Or, isn't on Wikipedia.
[08:51:36] <Splarka>	and because it isn't an "article"
[08:51:40] <MinuteElectron>	It may be on other wikis.
[08:52:01] <Nikerabbit>	well... there is no articles in the default install
[08:52:04] <Splarka>	don'tcha love how some people can't find anything better to do than bicker about how wrong "Main Page" is
[08:52:13] <qsheets>	sentinel100101: i don't use either, because, frankly, i have no need for them
[08:52:17] <Nikerabbit>	and if really is such a problem, move it elsewhere
[08:52:25] <Splarka>	"it should be lowercase P" "it should be in project namespace" "it should be in portal namespace" "it should be in its own namespace" "it should be special:"
[08:53:40] <MinuteElectron>	It could be in the portal namespace, the trouble is that that isn't enabled by default (and we don't have any none-special namespace enabled by default anyway).
[08:54:12] <Splarka>	right, Project: would be closest
[08:54:22] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[08:54:23] <Splarka>	"but that is the meta namespace, the main page is about content, not about the wiki"
[08:54:29] <Nikerabbit>	I think the current default is good one
[08:54:29] <Splarka>	blah blah blah
[08:54:31] <MinuteElectron>	but that's not what that namespace is for
[08:54:56] <Splarka>	says who?
[08:55:06] <Splarka>	everyone is going by english wikipedia precident
[08:55:13] <Splarka>	if they change their behavior, they redefine it
[08:55:24] <Splarka>	if they move it to Wikipedia:Main_Page, then that is what it is for
[08:55:37] <Splarka>	WP:QED and all that ^_^
[08:56:13] <Splarka>	(I don't mean everyone has to obey what wp does, but the current software was written by and large for wikipedia, of which the most <s>bitchy</s> vocal component isn english)
[08:56:25] <Splarka>	^is in
[08:56:49] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: everything is so much easier if we just ignore enwp
[08:57:22] <Nikerabbit>	they are getting too much special attention :o
[08:57:34] <Splarka>	ignore the buffalo in the room, and the room happens to be a china shop
[08:57:48] <Splarka>	heh
[08:57:54] <Splarka>	because when they don't, they get media attention
[08:58:04] <Splarka>	NYT: "omg, penises on wikipedia main page for 14 minutes!"
[08:59:24] <Splarka>	so the main page is made undeletable (sort of, BEANS), and user accounts aren't allowed to have weak passwords, and deletions are limited to a certain number of revisions, and pagemoves are limited to accounts of certain age, and new content pages are restricted to logged in users
[08:59:36] <Splarka>	all because of ENWP's special attention
[09:00:39] <Nikerabbit>	yeah
[09:00:48] <Nikerabbit>	they are getting new fancy extension
[09:00:48] <WalloO_>	hello....
[09:01:10] <MinuteElectron>	The main page was made so you could only delete a few revisions because if you delete it then the database crashes.
[09:01:13] <Nikerabbit>	while other languages suffer from things like bug 10837
[09:01:32] <WalloO_>	is it possible to store binary files in wikimedia (doc, pdf or any other), like we can do with images?
[09:01:38] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[09:01:59] <Nikerabbit>	WalloO_: you mean mediawiki?
[09:02:00] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: the main page actually has much fewer revisions than the threshhold, the deletion prevention is other magic (BEANS)
[09:02:10] <WalloO_>	Nikerabbit, yes, sorry
[09:02:17] <MinuteElectron>	wtf
[09:02:19] <Nikerabbit>	WalloO_: sure
[09:02:32] <WalloO_>	ok. thank you
[09:03:01] <MinuteElectron>	most of these problems don't need technical solutions, they need solutions that involve the people; they stop the main page being deleted, but why are people even deleting the main pagE?
[09:03:05] <Nikerabbit>	WalloO_: see eg http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_allow_uploading_of_additional_formats.3F
[09:03:21] <MinuteElectron>	because they are disgruntled? then why are they sysops if they are that unstable
[09:03:35] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: several cases were hacked accounts, or so was claimed
[09:03:44] <Splarka>	same username as password (before that was disabled), etc
[09:04:00] <sentinel100101>	for the life of me i cant find the patrol edits thing!
[09:04:19] <WalloO_>	thank you Nikerabbit 
[09:04:28] <sentinel100101>	i added the line to localsettings.php cleared cache recemt changes clicked on diff
[09:04:32] <sentinel100101>	bt cnat find it htere!
[09:04:33] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: why don't we have those cool "your password strength" gadgets? :D
[09:04:45] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: Again, admins should know about security and shouldn't be admins if they don't.
[09:04:47] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: there is one being tested on en.wp
[09:04:58] <Splarka>	only problem is, it is a gadget... which requires being logged in
[09:05:03] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: en.wp... DID I JUST say something about special attention :D
[09:05:03] <Splarka>	and of course, it isn't enforced
[09:05:33] <Nikerabbit>	the gadgets enabled by default thing was reverted... but was it ever remade?
[09:05:45] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: adminship requires you did exactly the right edits to the right pages over the last year or so, nobody votes for security experts
[09:06:24] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: regardless, the password strength js would need a server-side component to reject weak passwords or it'd be pretty silly
[09:06:34] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: it doesn't need to enforce
[09:06:42] <Splarka>	sure it does, like on wordpress.com
[09:06:50] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: I'm not talking about "experts" - but using a decent password is *basic* thing on the internet.
[09:06:51] <Splarka>	'foobar' should not be an accepted password ^_^
[09:07:01] <Splarka>	or *********
[09:07:12] <MinuteElectron>	or 'password'
[09:07:19] <MinuteElectron>	everyone's favourite password
[09:07:25] <Splarka>	or 'penis' (not long enough)
[09:07:37] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: if people see "your password is this weak" every time they login or register, and are too stupid to change it to better one, we can push the blame to them
[09:07:45] <Nikerabbit>	too stupid to not to change*
[09:07:47] *Splarka 	snickers
[09:07:52] <Splarka>	except not only they suffer
[09:07:56] <Splarka>	if they are sysopped, heh
[09:08:06] <Splarka>	maybe the prefs blob should contain a password strength integer
[09:08:10] <MinuteElectron>	sysops with crap passwords should be erased
[09:08:15] <Splarka>	and reject sysophood to those with 'foo'
[09:09:11] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: lets put them trough captchas :D
[09:09:35] <Splarka>	"please type in the words you see below"
[09:09:45] <Splarka>	'I have a stupid password. I have a stupid password. I have a stupid password. I have a stupid password. I have a stupid password.'
[09:10:07] <Nikerabbit>	anyway
[09:10:18] <Nikerabbit>	the first step is to tell people when their password is weak
[09:10:44] <Splarka>	well, see the convo on MediaWiki_talk:Common.js
[09:10:52] <Splarka>	or wherever it is
[09:11:19] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js
[09:11:52] <WalloO_>	anybody used TagAsCategory extension? I'm not able to use it. I have a header error every time
[09:13:09] <Nikerabbit>	WalloO_: can you paste the error (one line only)?
[09:14:32] <WalloO_>	Nikerabbit, I don'T have the server from where I am now, but I remember it says the header is already loaded.
[09:15:03] <Nikerabbit>	MZMcBride_: Scared? they damn right should be if they are using weak password
[09:15:19] <Nikerabbit>	if their one is not weak, they get happy feeling
[09:15:44] <Nikerabbit>	WalloO_: without it I can't help because I don't know which caused it
[09:16:15] <WalloO_>	I will come back later with the exact error.
[09:16:38] <Nikerabbit>	WalloO_: ok
[09:16:49] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: wth, so english centric again
[09:17:38] <Splarka>	big surprise eh
[09:18:07] <Nikerabbit>	writing some japanese kanas sure is pretty strong password :D
[09:20:22] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:21:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export remove "Category:" (or local name) from text box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14790  (10sam)
[09:22:50] *qsheets 	sets his password to 'foobar'
[09:28:46] <lymeca>	When I try to specify a 60x60 PNG file using $wgAppleTouchIcon, I get this error:
[09:29:02] <lymeca>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /opt/mediawiki-1.13.0rc1/w/LocalSettings.php on line 141
[09:29:10] <MinuteElectron>	please paste the line of code
[09:29:27] <lymeca>	It goes away when I comment out the $wgAppleTouchIcon line
[09:29:31] <MinuteElectron>	right
[09:29:34] <MinuteElectron>	what does the line say?
[09:30:52] <lymeca>	MinuteElectron: It's whatever line is the next valid config line after the $wgAppleTouchIcon
[09:30:59] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[09:31:02] <MinuteElectron>	but what does it say?
[09:31:10] <MinuteElectron>	i haven't a clue what that line is
[09:31:25] <MinuteElectron>	because it will be specific to your LocalSettings.php
[09:31:53] <lymeca>	Oh, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't matter what line in LocalSettings.php it is.
[09:31:59] <Nikerabbit>	lymeca: add ; after statement
[09:32:02] <MinuteElectron>	erm
[09:32:05] <MinuteElectron>	clearly it does
[09:32:19] <MinuteElectron>	pfft
[09:32:20] <MinuteElectron>	fine then
[09:32:26] <lymeca>	Nikerabbit: THANK you!!!
[09:32:48] <Nikerabbit>	now go and learn some php syntax
[09:32:51] <lymeca>	MinuteElectron: No, it didn't matter.  It was whatever the line after my $wgAppleTouchIcon was.  I moved it around, and the line switched.
[09:32:57] <lymeca>	shush you
[09:33:01] <lymeca>	typo =P
[09:33:25] <MinuteElectron>	well if you had pasted the line you added and the line after we would have reached this conclusion much quicker
[09:33:31] <MinuteElectron>	rather than having to guess what the lines were
[09:36:14] <sentinel100101>	hi i had a small problem designing the robots.txt for my public wiki just correct me if the the syntax is wrng
[09:36:19] <sentinel100101>	User-agent:*
[09:36:26] <sentinel100101>	Disallow: /w/
[09:36:34] <sentinel100101>	is that enough?
[09:36:46] <sentinel100101>	or should i even add Allow:/wiki/
[09:36:53] <MinuteElectron>	if your mediawiki is in /w/ then it is enough
[09:36:58] <MinuteElectron>	no need to specificly allow anything
[09:37:17] <sentinel100101>	okay nw where do i place this my domain xyz.com is addon domain to abc.com
[09:37:30] <MinuteElectron>	in teh root of the web directory
[09:37:54] <MinuteElectron>	so if your wiki was at /path/to/w/ you would put it in /path/to/
[09:38:01] <sentinel100101>	well my primary domain is abc.com where wiki is addon domain xyz.com
[09:38:09] <sentinel100101>	okay perfect solved my problem
[09:38:10] <sentinel100101>	:D
[09:40:20] <sentinel100101>	small qustion since i have the statement disallow:/w/ (that is where my wiki is) though using short urls it appears as /wiki/ it wouldnt create a problem
[09:40:38] <MinuteElectron>	that is correct
[09:41:44] <CIA-55>	03tstarling * r38279 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): $wgCleanSignatures to disable Parser::cleanSig(). Requested by Wikia.
[09:41:55] <sentinel100101>	10x
[09:45:39] <SeeeD>	hi everybody
[09:48:48] <SeeeD>	I'm searching for a tutorial how i can create a mainpage like the wikipedia... i need some boxes with new content. i.e. some news)
[09:48:56] <cirwin>	SeeeD: still?
[09:49:09] <cirwin>	you need a CSS tutorial
[09:49:12] <SeeeD>	no
[09:49:24] <SeeeD>	i can design it with html and css
[09:49:24] <cirwin>	hmm?
[09:49:27] <cirwin>	ok
[09:49:30] <cirwin>	what else is there?
[09:49:45] <SeeeD>	but i need any function from the mediawiki, which shows only the newest pages
[09:49:54] <cirwin>	try Extension:DynamicPageList
[09:50:06] <cirwin>	but wikipedia's main page is all done by hand
[09:50:39] <SeeeD>	i have ok, i'll read the article
[09:51:10] <SeeeD>	-i have
[09:51:10] <SeeeD>	^^
[09:53:16] <adinc>	is it possible to remove a page totally on mediawiki
[09:54:32] <cirwin>	adinc: more permanent than delete?
[09:54:54] <adinc>	well i deleted a page and the title still apears in the "all pages"
[09:54:59] <cirwin>	hmm
[09:55:08] <cirwin>	maybe a cache issue
[09:55:21] <cirwin>	if the page says it is deleted, then it will go away from that list
[09:55:59] <adinc>	cirwin: i see that page on All pages written in italic
[09:56:54] <cirwin>	oh
[09:57:09] <cirwin>	can you give a link?
[09:57:29] <adinc>	dinc.org/wiki but i've no user set up
[09:57:34] <Nikerabbit>	adinc: italic pages are redirects
[09:57:45] <Nikerabbit>	you probably deleted the page where the redirect points to
[09:57:48] <adinc>	yes i know, maybe because this is in a different namespace
[09:58:12] <adinc>	Nikerabbit: ahh, what would this mean?
[10:00:47] <adinc>	Nikerabbit: can i also delete where the redirect points to?
[10:00:51] <adinc>	but how do i find it
[10:03:27] <adinc>	also i would like to ask, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles on this page there is a skinstyle called round. how can i make use of this on my own wiki?
[10:04:05] <cirwin>	you copy the contents of User:Animum/monobook.css to your site
[10:04:10] <cirwin>	if you want it on the whole site
[10:04:17] <cirwin>	copy to MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[10:04:24] <adinc>	i see
[10:04:31] <adinc>	and the javascript?
[10:04:35] <cirwin>	the same
[10:04:40] <cirwin>	but replace .css with .js
[10:06:09] <adinc>	cirwin: thank you very much
[10:06:18] <cirwin>	no problem
[10:07:39] <adinc>	cirwin: if i had copied monobook to soemthing else say minibook in order to do not destroy the monobook design woul i then have to copy that stuff to MediaWiki:Minibook.css?
[10:07:49] <cirwin>	yes
[10:08:04] <cirwin>	or
[10:08:08] <cirwin>	just to MediaWiki:Common.css
[10:08:14] <adinc>	but this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Animum/monobook.js has some importscripts
[10:08:15] <cirwin>	then it will affect everyone
[10:08:26] <cirwin>	heh
[10:08:35] <cirwin>	you probably don't need them
[10:08:41] <adinc>	which is for example called User:Anim/headers.js
[10:08:51] <cirwin>	yes
[10:09:06] <adinc>	so i can ignore the imports part of this?
[10:09:14] <cirwin>	I'm not sure you need the javascrpt at all
[10:09:45] <exobuzz>	for my custom skin, I include the monobook css, and override what I need. Means that if stuff gets added to monobook, i get it too (most main stuff should be in common i guess but im not sure all is)
[10:11:04] <exobuzz>	wow. some of thodse user styles. are.. pretty awful!
[10:11:05] <exobuzz>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Minun's_monobook.jpg
[10:11:07] <exobuzz>	*ouch*
[10:11:21] <cirwin>	heh
[10:11:28] <cirwin>	you should see some wikipedia userpages ;)
[10:11:28] <adinc>	exobuzz: do you know of a source with good examples?
[10:11:55] <exobuzz>	skin examples ?
[10:12:00] <adinc>	yes
[10:12:05] <adinc>	even for download if possible
[10:12:12] <exobuzz>	not really.. i just started by copying Monobook.php, and editing that, and then overriding the css
[10:12:32] <adinc>	you override them by editing MediaWiki:Monobook.css?
[10:12:54] <exobuzz>	no. i made a whole new skin by copying the Monobook.php skin file.. then linked to a new css on top of the monobook css
[10:12:58] <exobuzz>	requires a little bit of php code
[10:13:50] <lymeca>	This is weird... I just altered the three php.ini settings to allow for larger files to be uploaded only a bit, and now my wiki shows literally nothing after an Apache restart.  All 100% white in the browser, no errors, no text, no nothing.
[10:14:10] <lymeca>	Then I tried moving the php.ini settings back to default, restart Apache, and it's still white
[10:14:12] <exobuzz>	lymeca: check the apache error.log
[10:15:14] <exobuzz>	(or whereever php is set to log to if you have changed it)
[10:16:06] <lymeca>	[Thu Jul 31 06:12:54 2008] [notice] child pid 13153 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[10:16:15] <lymeca>	a lot of those every time I refresh I think
[10:16:24] <lymeca>	The PID and timestamp change
[10:16:25] <lymeca>	nothing else
[10:16:54] <exobuzz>	make sure apache was really stopped/started properly
[10:17:10] <adinc>	when i copy the content of Animum/monobook.css to my Mediawiki:monobook.css it is getting a mess, divided into several blocks of sources etc.
[10:17:50] <lymeca>	exobuzz: check
[10:17:56] <lymeca>	same behavior persists
[10:18:55] <exobuzz>	must be a php problem im sure. if soemthing is segfaulting that;s not good
[10:19:31] <exobuzz>	make sure php is working with the extensions et. can try it from commandline for example (making sure you have the same config for the cli version). or perhaps apache is crashing..
[10:22:40] <adinc>	when i edit MediaWiki:MyMonobook.css it doesnt work although i copied all and changed the classnames in the sources
[10:23:42] <lymeca>	exobuzz: How do I check if php is working if mediawiki is the only PHP app I use>
[10:24:33] <cirwin>	lymeca: create info.php
[10:24:41] <cirwin>	which contains "<?php phpinfo() ?>"
[10:24:45] <cirwin>	and then view it in a browser
[10:24:54] <lymeca>	Hah they just recommended that in #php
[10:24:55] <lymeca>	one sec
[10:25:01] <cirwin>	adinc: ctrl+shift+refresh
[10:25:05] <cirwin>	you need to clear cache
[10:25:25] <adinc>	cirwin: no, i mean it looks crappy in the pagepreview, the pagecontent itself 
[10:25:46] *cirwin 	shrugs
[10:26:00] <qsheets>	lol
[10:26:14] <cirwin>	maybe there is something in the javascript then, but it wasn't obvious - most of it looks like custom scripts for shortcuts on wikipedia
[10:26:27] <lymeca>	cirwin: error.log shows a segfault, and Firefox wants to download the php file
[10:26:31] <cirwin>	heh
[10:26:39] <cirwin>	that's not too great
[10:26:46] <lymeca>	(lol)
[10:26:54] <cirwin>	you're using apache, I assume?
[10:26:58] <lymeca>	yes
[10:27:11] <adinc>	restart apache
[10:27:20] <cirwin>	kill apache, get lighttpd!
[10:27:24] <cirwin>	:p
[10:27:38] <lymeca>	adinc: I have restarted Apache, many many times
[10:27:41] <cirwin>	ok
[10:27:49] <cirwin>	when you download the file
[10:27:54] <cirwin>	does it contain the source code
[10:27:56] <cirwin>	or is it empty?
[10:29:20] <lymeca>	cirwin: empty
[10:29:24] <cirwin>	ok
[10:29:28] <cirwin>	so apache is working fine
[10:29:31] <cirwin>	just php is borked
[10:30:00] <cirwin>	on the command line
[10:30:13] <cirwin>	can you run php -i ?
[10:30:30] <cirwin>	and php-cgi -i 
[10:30:31] <lymeca>	cirwin: yeah, a LOT of things scrolled by
[10:30:34] <cirwin>	ok
[10:30:39] <lymeca>	I don't have php-cgi
[10:30:42] <cirwin>	oh
[10:30:48] <cirwin>	php -v?
[10:31:41] <cirwin>	and if it's less than 5.2.6 upgrade php :)
[10:32:12] *lymeca 	bows head in shame for running Etch
[10:32:19] <cirwin>	heh
[10:32:39] <lymeca>	Grr, I need to go to lenny, but I can't do that now.
[10:32:40] <cirwin>	what do they feed you with?
[10:32:46] <lymeca>	Hahaha
[10:33:04] <lymeca>	Are you anti-Debian, or just anti-Debian stable?
[10:33:10] <cirwin>	neither
[10:33:19] <cirwin>	just want to know what version of php you've got :p
[10:33:22] <lymeca>	5.2.0
[10:33:25] <lymeca>	Oh I get it.
[10:33:26] <cirwin>	that's ok then
[10:33:42] <cirwin>	not tooo old
[10:33:45] <lymeca>	=P
[10:33:52] <cirwin>	but still shouldn't segfault
[10:43:05] <adinc>	hello, is this a clock which is displaying the realtime?
[10:43:06] <adinc>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Animum/liveclock.js
[10:43:30] <cirwin>	yes
[10:43:38] <adinc>	cirwin: how can i make use of it
[10:43:47] <adinc>	if i wanted to have it on top somehwere displayed
[10:44:02] <cirwin>	find a javascript tutorial :)
[10:44:09] <cirwin>	but to get the code
[10:44:15] <cirwin>	just put it in MediaWiki:Common.js
[10:44:16] <Splarka>	javascript:void(importScript('User:Animum/liveclock.js'));
[10:44:23] <Splarka>	to see what it does on th at page ^_^
[10:45:05] <adinc>	is there somewhere this clock used?
[10:45:15] <adinc>	which i could see as an example
[10:45:22] <cirwin>	adinc: 
[10:45:41] <cirwin>	visit the url starting with javascript: that slave gave you, starting from the javascript page
[10:45:48] <cirwin>	Splarka: sorry
[10:46:22] <Splarka>	slave?
[10:46:28] <Splarka>	heh
[10:46:45] <cirwin>	just typing, it came out wrong :(
[10:47:33] <adinc>	cirwin: slave gave me?
[10:47:44] <cirwin>	I meant to save Splarka
[10:47:47] <cirwin>	say
[10:47:50] <cirwin>	bargh
[10:47:53] *cirwin 	can't type at all
[10:47:57] <adinc>	;-)
[10:48:03] <Splarka>	adinc: go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Animum/liveclock.js  and in the URL bar paste in: javascript:void(importScript('User:Animum/liveclock.js')); and hit enter
[10:49:03] <adinc>	god yes, that works
[10:49:07] <adinc>	cool
[10:49:32] <adinc>	if i wanted to have this on every page on my wiki, what would i have todo?
[10:49:43] <Splarka>	<cirwin> just put it in MediaWiki:Common.js
[10:49:53] <adinc>	Splarka: there i placed it alread
[10:50:01] <Splarka>	reload your cache
[10:50:24] <adinc>	but it is not used anywhere, it just exists in MediaWiki:Common.js
[10:50:58] <cirwin>	adinc: just go to a page
[10:51:10] <cirwin>	and put the javascript: bit that Splarka gave you into the address bar
[10:51:15] <cirwin>	and the clock will appera
[10:51:36] <Splarka>	well... you'd need importScriptURI() to wikipedia
[10:51:47] <Splarka>	or javascript:void(importScript('MediaWiki:common.js'));
[10:53:50] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38280 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Update magic words
[10:56:51] <WalloO>	Nikerabbit: are you still here???
[10:58:19] <WalloO>	Does anyboy used TagAsCategory? I tried to install it, but I have this error everytime: 
[10:58:19] <WalloO>	Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/wiki/extensions/TagAsCategory/TagAsCategory.php:197) in /var/www/wiki/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[10:59:29] <adinc>	although i have this clock script on my MediaWiki:Common.js a call like this javascript:void(importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js')); doesnt work
[11:03:07] <SeeeD>	Where can i enable mod_rewrite in the mediawiki?
[11:03:26] <SeeeD>	i've enabled it in the apache and it works, but how can i enable it in the wiki?
[11:04:11] <adinc>	could someone please give me a hand for this clock?
[11:04:45] *SeeeD 	gives adinc his hand
[11:04:50] <adinc>	heheh
[11:05:45] <cirwin>	SeeeD: in LocalSettings.php
[11:05:52] <cirwin>	there's some documentation on mediawiki.org
[11:05:59] <SeeeD>	kk :)
[11:06:43] <CIA-55>	03rotem * r38281 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.alias.php: Localization update for he.
[11:08:22] <Splarka>	adinc: you have site css/js enabled?
[11:08:32] <adinc>	splarka
[11:08:45] <Splarka>	me
[11:08:46] <adinc>	i copied that part of javascript to MediaWiki:Common.js
[11:08:59] <Splarka>	$wgUseSiteJs
[11:09:07] <Splarka>	is that false in your localsettings?
[11:09:11] <Splarka>	(default is true)
[11:09:23] <adinc>	no, it is not set to false, so default is true
[11:09:44] <Splarka>	do you have anything else in your MediaWiki:Common.js that might break it? can you check your browser error console?
[11:10:06] <Splarka>	try this FF url:  chrome://global/content/console.xul
[11:12:44] <adinc>	Splarka: thank you very much, it was all the other stuff in there that breaked it
[11:13:15] <Splarka>	heh
[11:13:37] <adinc>	Splarka: do you know if there is a repository or a list with such usefull js ?
[11:13:44] <adinc>	like this watch
[11:14:00] <Splarka>	not really, not that I know of
[11:14:05] <Splarka>	whenever I want something like that I just write it
[11:14:13] <adinc>	;-)
[11:14:16] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:US
[11:15:32] <adinc>	is there any help for mathematical expressions for wiki
[11:15:58] <Splarka>	in javascript or wikicode?
[11:16:13] <adinc>	Splarka: general for having easy math articles written
[11:16:36] <Splarka>	um
[11:16:45] <Splarka>	you mean <math> ?
[11:16:53] <adinc>	does something like this exist?
[11:17:06] <adinc>	for example if i wanted to have the greek sum displayed
[11:17:07] <Splarka>	well, what exactly do you want to do?
[11:17:09] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:17:17] <adinc>	or like the integral sign
[11:17:31] <Splarka>	then you want <math>, which displays mathmatical symbols
[11:17:31] <adinc>	writing mathematical expressions into an article
[11:17:36] <adinc>	ok
[11:17:48] <adinc>	is there a documentation for it somewhere or what is it called?
[11:17:49] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(mathematics)
[11:17:56] <Splarka>	it uses TeX
[11:18:08] <adinc>	no such project
[11:18:15] <Splarka>	what?
[11:18:24] <adinc>	ahh the ) was missing
[11:18:28] <Splarka>	yes such project
[11:18:31] <Splarka>	no, it is there
[11:18:34] <Splarka>	your IRC client sucks ^_^
[11:18:42] <adinc>	my terminal didnt fetch the last )
[11:18:45] <Splarka>	) is a perfectly valid URL character according to RFC, no need to be encoded
[11:18:47] <adinc>	Splarka: yes
[11:18:50] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Formula
[11:18:55] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38282 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Update magic words in branch
[11:19:05] <adinc>	Splarka: ;-) cool, thank you very much
[11:19:24] <adinc>	ahh it uses latex and makes images out of it
[11:19:36] *Splarka 	nods
[11:19:39] <adinc>	i will probably have tex installed
[11:19:43] <cirwin>	can someone point me at an extension that uses the database (so I can copy the code)?
[11:20:06] <Splarka>	you can use ParserFunctions #expr to actually do math, but that is more useful for things like autoconverting metric/imperial in infoboxes
[11:20:55] <Splarka>	cirwin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Database_extensions  ?
[11:20:56] <adinc>	but this page doesnt describe how to install this future
[11:20:57] <CIA-55>	03emil * r38283 10/trunk/extensions/wikiwyg/share/MediaWiki/extensions/MediaWikiWyg.php: hooks should return either true or false
[11:21:39] <cirwin>	Splarka: thanks, d'oh
[11:21:51] <Splarka>	adinc: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseTeX
[11:22:08] <Splarka>	it is core
[11:22:18] <Splarka>	you just have to compile texvc and enable some things
[11:22:31] <cirwin>	shouldn't be code :p 
[11:22:32] <Splarka>	no extension to 'install' really
[11:22:40] <cirwin>	*core
[11:22:53] *Splarka 	grins
[11:22:58] <Splarka>	yah, probably not
[11:23:03] <Splarka>	but ParserFunctions should be!
[11:23:08] <cirwin>	nooo
[11:23:12] <Splarka>	and sortable tables should be, but not for every pageload
[11:23:24] <adinc>	Splarka: thank you again. i think i have enough to read now ;-)
[11:23:35] <Splarka>	haha
[11:23:40] *Splarka 	need sleep
[11:23:52] <cirwin>	g'night then
[11:23:54] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beware_of_dev.svg
[11:24:55] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38284 10/trunk/extensions/TitleKey/README: typo
[11:26:07] <CorneliusWasmund>	can i manipulate the metatags?
[11:26:23] <cirwin>	CorneliusWasmund: with extensions, yes
[11:26:29] <cirwin>	what do you want to do to them?
[11:26:52] <CorneliusWasmund>	i want to set better tags on the mainpage
[11:27:04] <WalloO>	Does anybody used TagAsCategory extension? I tried to install it, but I have this error everytime: Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/wiki/extensions/TagAsCategory/TagAsCategory.php:197) in /var/www/wiki/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[11:27:06] <CorneliusWasmund>	at the moment we have a list of the first articels
[11:27:50] <cirwin>	what wiktionary does is to include some links in a hidden div
[11:27:54] <cirwin>	which overwrites the keywords
[11:28:07] <cirwin>	else look on mediawiki for jclerners MetaKeywordsTag extension
[11:28:28] <cirwin>	if you want to do namespace based stuff then there is Extension:MetaKeywords
[11:31:27] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38285 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/TitleKey/README: fix typo in branch
[11:46:30] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38286 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageAr.php: Update Arabic (ar)
[11:49:21] <SeeeD>	[[Bild:Umfrage.png|right|400px|Struktogramm]] <- is it possible to set a border around the picture?
[11:59:44] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38287 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageAr.php: Add Arabic (ar)
[12:05:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some bots do not flag revisions automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14985  (10pbirken)
[12:36:17] <ThomasOwens>	what is a user_token and how is it generated?
[12:46:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10N/A)
[12:47:32] <syli725>	Hi, I want to setup a new mediawiki with the version 1.12 in Linux. I have an old mediawiki setup with the version 1.9.3 in Windows. I want to migrate all the data from this old version to new version. how to do that? will mysqldump work? Is sql tables structure the same between 1.9 and 1.12? 
[12:49:30] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: no, the table structure is not the same.
[12:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's similar, but things have been added
[12:49:51] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, thanks for your reply. so how can I migrate the data then? 
[12:50:38] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: it's pretty easy: make an sql dump (beware charset quirks), import on the new system, *then* install mediawiki 1.12. during install, point mediawiki at the existing, freshly imported database.
[12:50:43] <Duesentrieb>	the installer will update the schema
[12:50:46] <Duesentrieb>	that' sit
[12:51:08] <Duesentrieb>	for info on the charset quirks etc, see the backup instructions
[12:51:09] <Duesentrieb>	!backup
[12:51:09] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[12:51:36] <Duesentrieb>	oh... we even have a manual page for moving a wiki...
[12:51:39] <Duesentrieb>	!move
[12:51:39] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[12:52:00] <Duesentrieb>	that doesn't include upgrading though i guess
[12:52:04] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, thank you very much. your idea is really helps. :)
[12:52:41] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: note that you will have to copy any uploaded files too.
[12:52:52] <Duesentrieb>	and re-install extensions
[12:53:18] <syli725>	currenlty, there is no extensions in the old system. but i plan to install some in the new one. thanks. :)
[12:54:21] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, regarding the uploaded files. the new system will recognize the old files directory structures, right? I remembered the uploads have a weird structure. 
[12:54:48] <Duesentrieb>	if they have a "weird" structure, then yes :)
[12:55:01] <Duesentrieb>	the alternative "flat" storage is no longer supported.
[12:55:41] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, hehe. thanks a lot. 
[12:56:49] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: What happens to the flat storage structure on upgrade, my wiki still uses it and is on 1.12 - once 1.13 is released and we sync it to 1.13 will it move all the files about?
[12:57:48] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: don't know, ask tim
[12:57:57] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[13:04:41] <zocky>	yay, a bug in #time
[13:04:49] <zocky>	though that's probably not a mediawiki bug :\
[13:05:02] <MinuteElectron>	oh?
[13:05:04] <zocky>	{{#time:Y|-1 month}}/{{#time:m|-1month}} gives me 2008/07 today
[13:05:39] <MinuteElectron>	what timezone is your wiki in?
[13:06:48] <zocky>	{{#time:d/m/y|now}} {{#time:d/m/y|now-1 month}} says 31/07/08 01/07/08 
[13:07:19] <zocky>	where can I check without going to localsettings?
[13:07:55] <zocky>	it's in UTC
[13:08:46] <zocky>	wikipedia says the same thing
[13:09:54] <zocky>	it tries 31 june, and since that doesn't exist makes it 1 july
[13:10:26] <balasyum>	programmers, please: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/code_talkers.png :)
[13:10:28] <zocky>	ah, but I can use {{PREVIOUSMONTH}}
[13:10:53] <zocky>	hehe, which is a template that says : {{#expr:(({{CURRENTMONTH}}+10)mod 12)+1}}
[13:12:03] <exobuzz>	is there any way in mediawiki to have a template which always has the current year in it (and previous years to a certain date). are templates parsed on a page edit, or in realtime ? is it possible to do with wiht some kind of loop extension ?
[13:12:19] <cirwin>	only parsed at edit time
[13:12:23] <cirwin>	but you can purge them
[13:12:23] <exobuzz>	aah ok
[13:13:55] <exobuzz>	is it possible to make extensions where you have a custom tag which is expanded in realtime ?
[13:14:41] <exobuzz>	on a page read. then i could build the functionality into an extension i guess
[13:14:51] <cirwin>	yes
[13:15:19] <cirwin>	but it's tricky, especially if you have more than one level of cache
[13:16:41] <MinuteElectron>	zocky: The trouble with "-1 month" is that different people would define it in a different way.  Some people might say it is the current day, but in the previous month, e.g. 2008-08-06 - 1 month would be 2008-07-06, but this breaks down when the current date is not available in a previous month and different people will think that a different bailout solution should be used.
[13:16:52] <Shiroi_Neko>	hi
[13:16:57] <Shiroi_Neko>	cn someone please explain this:
[13:16:58] <Shiroi_Neko>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keropi&diff=prev&oldid=224426184
[13:17:01] <MinuteElectron>	Like some might say it should go to 2008-06-30 (in your example) while others 2008-07-01
[13:17:10] <Shiroi_Neko>	the account computer has been long renamed to some other name
[13:17:24] <Shiroi_Neko>	so why is this contribution still not attributed to my bot?
[13:17:27] <MinuteElectron>	Which account?
[13:17:40] <zocky>	MinuteElectron, yeah, but the problem is that it makes it useless for finding out what the previous or next month is, as you would need in a calendar
[13:17:56] <Shiroi_Neko>	Account User:Computer
[13:18:00] <Shiroi_Neko>	on english wikipedia
[13:18:06] <MinuteElectron>	Shiroi_Neko: What is its new name?
[13:18:44] <Shiroi_Neko>	its (4 unicode characters)_robot
[13:18:52] <MinuteElectron>	When was it renamed?
[13:18:54] <Shiroi_Neko>	if you click on computer you can see the new name
[13:18:59] <Shiroi_Neko>	it was renamed a week or two ago
[13:19:11] <Shiroi_Neko>	all other contribution is properly attributed
[13:19:20] <MinuteElectron>	Is it possible that [[Keropi]] was deleted at the time of rename?
[13:19:27] <Shiroi_Neko>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Computer
[13:19:32] <Shiroi_Neko>	I do not see a delete in the log
[13:19:39] <Shiroi_Neko>	and that was fixed to my knowledge
[13:19:48] <MinuteElectron>	oh well
[13:20:05] <Shiroi_Neko>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Keropi
[13:20:18] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[13:20:24] <Shiroi_Neko>	what is going on - seems like an unadressed bug?
[13:20:26] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38288 10/trunk/tools/planet/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Changing logo size in all Planet Wikimedias' templates; they were all one px too big
[13:20:39] <Shiroi_Neko>	one edit isnt the issue mind you. I feel something is broken
[13:20:43] <MinuteElectron>	Well I doubt this will be fixed - its just one edit that was missed and there could have been a variety of circumstances around it.
[13:21:26] <Shiroi_Neko>	MinuteElectron like?
[13:21:39] <MinuteElectron>	For example, the page could have been deleted at the time that the accoutn was renamed, then undeleted, and the log entries oversighted.
[13:22:00] <Shiroi_Neko>	MinuteElectron really. Do you really think that happened?
[13:22:18] <Shiroi_Neko>	TimStarling what do you think?
[13:22:36] <MinuteElectron>	It is a possibility.
[13:23:33] <Shiroi_Neko>	MinuteElectron heh :P
[13:23:40] <Shiroi_Neko>	remote possibility I'd say
[13:26:39] <^demon>	Good morning everyone :-)
[13:28:58] <indianAzi>	hello
[13:28:59] <indianAzi>	now i installed mediawiki 
[13:29:01] <indianAzi>	everything is successes but site not open one the blank page. i'm using linux,apach php5 mysql 4 
[13:29:03] <indianAzi>	apper only blank page . in address bar "http://ponkavanam.com/index.php?title=Main_Page" 
[13:29:05] <indianAzi>	any one know about this?
[13:29:58] <will_hough>	indianAzi: check your Apache error log?
[13:31:44] <zocky>	actually, something seems to be broken on my wiki :\
[13:31:49] <zocky>	{{#time:d|20080731}} say 30
[13:32:01] <will_hough>	indianAzi: Please don't PM me
[13:32:35] <will_hough>	Your error log is available in your hosting CP
[13:33:09] <indianAzi>	in FTP folder?
[13:33:54] <will_hough>	no
[13:34:32] <will_hough>	Contact your hosting company if you are unfamiliar with accessing logs.
[13:34:33] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, hi, I got a question. you said I could just mysqldump the backup data to the new server and configure the new server to connect to the existing mysql database. it will automatically upgrade the tables. But I saw the page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading. It's talking about running $ php update.php in command line to upgrade the table schema. Do I need to run it manually?
[13:34:51] <MinuteElectron>	yes.
[13:35:48] <syli725>	MinuteElectron, thanks. so that the mediawiki will not upgrade the tables from 1.9 to 1.12 automatically? Duesentrieb told me mediawiki will automatically do that. 
[13:35:49] <zocky>	any idea why #time would be borked on my wiki but not on wikipedia?
[13:36:04] <MinuteElectron>	syli725: No, it will not.
[13:36:28] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: huh? whot?
[13:36:35] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: the updater sure updates the schema
[13:36:47] <zocky>	MinuteElectron, yeah, but you ahve to run it manually
[13:36:52] <MinuteElectron>	I thought he was asking does he need to run php update.php manually.
[13:37:06] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: the installer also runs update.php. running update.php manually is preferred if you already have a localsettings.php in place, generated by a provious install, and want to keep?? it
[13:37:16] <zocky>	after you run update.php MANUALLY, it AUTOMATICALLY updates the schema :)
[13:37:21] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[13:37:25] <MinuteElectron>	update.php updates teh schema
[13:37:29] <MinuteElectron>	you run update.php manually though
[13:37:46] <Duesentrieb>	but if he never had mw installed opn that box, it's simpler to just run the web installer
[13:37:53] <MinuteElectron>	why?
[13:37:57] <Duesentrieb>	otehrwise he's have to set up localsettings by hand...
[13:38:10] <Duesentrieb>	where does he ever input the db contact info, etc? set up pathes?
[13:38:14] <Duesentrieb>	the installer does all that for you
[13:38:15] <Duesentrieb>	so, use it
[13:38:16] <MinuteElectron>	he can just copy it from his old wiki and alter the vlaues for the new server
[13:38:20] <MinuteElectron>	meh
[13:38:22] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[13:38:32] <Duesentrieb>	adjust all pathes, host names, db access info...
[13:38:35] <Duesentrieb>	sure, you can do that
[13:38:41] <Duesentrieb>	i say: much easier to run the installer
[13:38:43] <Duesentrieb>	safer too
[13:38:52] <MinuteElectron>	host names are not stored in LocalSettings.php by default
[13:39:02] <Duesentrieb>	db host is
[13:39:05] <MinuteElectron>	right
[13:39:08] <MinuteElectron>	db access info
[13:39:09] <Duesentrieb>	well, it's probably "localhost" in both cases
[13:39:13] <Duesentrieb>	but still
[13:39:55] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: never mind running update.php manually.the installer will do that for you. you are installing on a new box, using old data. use the web installer.
[13:40:12] <syli725>	OK. In that upgarding page, I saw alternative 2 is to rerun the installer. :)  
[13:40:21] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: running update.php manually is for when you already have a wiki running on that box, and just want to upgade the codebase
[13:40:54] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: the "update" instructions assume you have a localsettings.php in place - which you don't, because you are not upgrading an existing install
[13:41:02] <Shiroi_Neko>	Duesentrieb btw can we talk something in private :)
[13:41:13] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, ok got it. I think there alternatives in the upgrade wiki page will all work. I will simply choose re-run the web installer. 
[13:41:29] <syli725>	I mean three alternatives. :)
[13:42:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer lacks brackets in IPv6 URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14977  (10innocentkiller)
[13:43:06] <syli725>	MinuteElectron, zocky Duesentrieb thank you guys for your kind help on my issue. :)
[13:43:09] <Duesentrieb>	well, the options thatassume that you have localsettings.php and adminsetting.php in place will not work unless you do :)
[13:43:56] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, yeah, get it. 
[13:47:18] <intgr>	^demon: Hey, I was just curious, where can I see the applied patch for #11209? Did you apply it as is?
[13:50:42] <DanielTahar>	hi, how do i limit users to monobook only?
[13:50:58] <intgr>	Delete the other themes.
[13:58:16] <DanielTahar>	the folders and the definition files?
[13:59:11] <intgr>	TIAS
[13:59:46] <CIA-55>	03vasilievvv * r38289 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: Replace explode('\n', $rc_params) (which of course didn't work) with LogPage::extractParams
[13:59:58] <DanielTahar>	boss
[14:01:27] <intgr>	No I'm not; I'm just guiding you to a solution that you could have came up with by yourself.
[14:02:34] <intgr>	I don't know the answer, I don't have any MediaWiki installations anymore.
[14:05:41] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38290 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: Putting #mw_header in one line in Modern; this way, when you triple-click then copy-paste the title of a page (in Firefox), you won't get two newlines as well.
[14:09:13] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38291 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Add bot workaround back (removed in r37913)
[14:09:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Some bots do not flag revisions automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14985  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:13:25] <ThomasOwens>	Right now, things like UserID and UserName are read from a cookie placed on a HDD. Any way to make this read from session variables?
[14:17:59] <Guido>	Hi, in the user rights management screen, in the line Member of the user groups Sysop and Bureaucrat have a wikilink, but my selfmade user group has not. Can that be changed?
[14:22:36] <MaxSem>	Guido, MediaWiki:group-*
[14:23:11] <MaxSem>	and MediaWiki:grouppage-*
[14:29:37] <Guido>	Thanks Max. It is convention that group names begin with a lowercase letter?
[14:32:12] <Guido>	I mean the real group names, not their renaming
[14:32:50] <CIA-55>	03vasilievvv * r38292 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:32:50] <CIA-55>	* (bug 14556) Global groups defined for certain sets of wikis. Fixed with all bugs found by Brion + 1 logging bug
[14:32:50] <CIA-55>	* Fix logging: rename 'groupperms2' => 'groupprms2', 'groupperms3' => 'groupprms3' (since log_action is max 10 chars)
[14:36:33] <Jhs>	Guido, yes, that is convention
[14:37:29] <Jhs>	Guido, and depending on the spelling rules of your language, the names themselves should often be in lowercase as well
[14:37:39] <Jhs>	at least the nemes in group-*-member
[14:38:44] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38293 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Make lag safe getPreviousRevisionID() function
[14:40:16] <^demon>	Intgr: No, I wasn't even aware of the bug when I did it. Give me a minute, and I'll try to dig up what revision I did it in.
[14:40:46] <intgr>	^demon: Ah ok, thanks.
[14:41:11] <^demon>	This was a few weeks back, so it's (at least partially) fixed in v1.13.
[14:41:49] <intgr>	So you chose the same variable name, $wgDirectoryMode, by chance? :)
[14:42:53] <^demon>	Well, I originally called it $wgDefaultDirectoryChmod, but Brion said the name sucked, so I changed it to $wgDirectoryMode.
[14:43:07] <intgr>	Ah, hehe
[14:43:23] <Guido>	Thank you, Jhs. Are there any other Mediawiki group pages that I should edit, besides group-*, grouppage-* and group-*-member?
[14:43:38] <Jhs>	nope
[14:43:44] <Guido>	OK :)
[14:46:52] <^demon>	intgr: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=37756 - implemented here, tweaked in r37830 to a better name. Right now, it only applies to directories created with wfMkdirParents() that have no mode param defined. Need to eventually go through the code and clean up raw uses of mkdir() and those that pass a mode to wfMkdirParents() to see if they can be allowed to fall back to the default (instead of explicitly being 0755, 077
[14:48:18] <intgr>	I believe I went through them all when I wrote the patch (apart from maintenance/*).
[14:48:34] <intgr>	But you're right, there have probably been lots of changes since.
[14:48:45] <^demon>	I'll take a look at it a bit later today. Just trying to get through a bit of crap at work atm :-)
[14:49:26] <intgr>	Sure :)
[14:51:42] <^demon>	domas: I redid that patch for the redirect table to take in yours and Brion's feedback. Now with at least 10% less suck :-)
[14:55:24] *^demon 	tackles Krimpet
[14:55:33] *Krimpet 	ducks
[14:56:22] *^demon 	falls past Krimpet and into the pile of bugs that no one wants to touch
[14:56:23] <^demon>	help!
[14:56:44] <cirwin>	sure, which one with?
[15:00:27] <^demon>	cirwin: Help me up :-P
[15:00:29] <^demon>	I fell down.
[15:00:40] <^demon>	Because Krimpet didn't want tackling.
[15:00:42] *cirwin 	drags on ^demon's arm
[15:01:18] <^demon>	Ahhh!
[15:01:19] <^demon>	Oh.
[15:01:21] <^demon>	*ow
[15:01:22] <^demon>	hehe
[15:01:28] *cirwin 	stops
[15:01:31] <Jhs>	^demon, thanks for fixing the syntax thing from my commit yesterday
[15:01:41] *Krimpet 	points ^demon to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14941 with a stern look on her face. :)
[15:01:50] <^demon>	Jhs: No problem. I was looking at Special:Export for a completely unrelated reason and it was like BOOM!
[15:02:16] <^demon>	Krimpet: ew, what a not-fun bug.
[15:04:40] <Krimpet>	^demon, I attached a patch, though ;)
[15:05:21] <^demon>	Assuming you've tested it? I don't have UsernameBlacklist installed on my localhost atm.
[15:05:56] <Krimpet>	I *think* it solves the issue... that the extension was trying to make a gigantic regex out of every entry on the blacklist, crashing PCRE due to the complex Grawp entries we have on enwiki
[15:06:25] <^demon>	I suppose you want me to install UsernameBlacklist and check it?
[15:06:37] <^demon>	;-)
[15:06:51] <Krimpet>	that would be nice. :)
[15:07:24] <Krimpet>	it doesn't break anything from my tests. only thing is, I don't have the giant setup to reproduce the crashing we were having on enwiki
[15:09:04] <Krimpet>	(while the sysadmins had the extension disabled due to crashing the other day, Grawp created a bunch of accounts with my personal info in them, which is what made me interested in fixing -_-)
[15:10:11] <^demon>	Did you try the gigantic regex from enwiki on your local install?
[15:11:28] <Krimpet>	yep
[15:11:31] <^demon>	k
[15:12:08] <^demon>	Krimpet: Do you think enwiki would like my StalkerLog extension? Hehe.
[15:13:19] <Krimpet>	^demon, I'm sure plenty of people would die to have it installed. :p
[15:15:27] <^demon>	A log-in/log-out entry added to Special:Log, hehe.
[15:16:06] <Krimpet>	a truly creepy extension would be one that logs every article someone views
[15:16:34] <cirwin>	someone was writing one of those recently
[15:16:37] <cirwin>	for some project or other
[15:17:21] <Krimpet>	before I got involved with WP, I was sometimes a little paranoid that someone somewhere knew what articles I was reading... <_<
[15:18:00] <^demon>	The StalkerLog extension was originally written for our department wiki, but they decided not to use it. I GPL'd it up and released it to WM SVN :-P
[15:18:59] <ryno>	Anyone really knowledgable about "global $wgLoadBalancer;"? I am  getting hung up in the wfGetDB  function. I am getting this error:
[15:18:59] <ryno>	Fatal error:  Call to a member function getConnection() on a non-object in C:\wamp\www\AtTask\sites\all\modules\mediawiki\application\includes\GlobalFunctions.php on line 2304
[15:19:00] <ryno>	That corresponds to the GetDB function. I reconfiged mediawiki and checked the db connection settings and everything looks good. Any suggestions?
[15:20:44] <cirwin>	ryno: is mysql running?
[15:21:00] <cirwin>	I got a similar issue and it took me ages to work out that that was the problem :)
[15:21:11] <Krimpet>	ryno, what version are you running?
[15:23:30] <Krimpet>	thing is, $wgLoadBalancer is actually gone as of 1.13
[15:26:37] <ryno>	cirwin: Yeah mysql is running
[15:26:53] <cirwin>	ok
[15:27:00] <ryno>	cirwin: I definitely have been working on it for a few days
[15:27:02] <ryno>	:-)
[15:27:05] <cirwin>	listen to Krimpet then :)
[15:27:17] <Krimpet>	ryno, what version?
[15:27:27] <ryno>	of mediawiki? 1.12 I think...
[15:27:31] <Krimpet>	ah
[15:27:48] <Krimpet>	did you try to upgrade at all?
[15:28:16] <ryno>	I don't think so. Should I? I thought 1.12 was the most recent
[15:28:39] <MinuteElectron>	ryno: It is.
[15:28:51] <Krimpet>	yep it's fine, I was just curious if it was an upgrade problem
[15:28:58] <MinuteElectron>	1.13 is currently a release candidate level release.
[15:29:02] <ryno>	No it is a clean install
[15:29:47] <ryno>	I am doing some Drupal integration (yay) and I know that if I bypass this that it "works"
[15:30:14] <ryno>	But obviosly I want to be able to retrieve things from the db. :-)
[15:30:24] <Krimpet>	ah, is there a certain extension you're using?
[15:30:36] <lgbr>	I'm having trouble with <code>. I have several lines of code, which I surround with <code><nowiki> and </nowiki></code>. This works, except that line breaks are ignored. How do I fix this?
[15:30:55] <ryno>	Krimpet: Drupal extension?
[15:31:30] <Krimpet>	lgbr, the <nowiki> is the culprit, with it, it doesn't insert <br />'s. :)
[15:31:35] <MinuteElectron>	lgbr: use </nowiki><br/><nowiki> for line breaks
[15:32:01] <lgbr>	MinuteElectron: i'll try that, thanks
[15:32:24] <Krimpet>	ryno, AuthDrupal?
[15:33:13] <ryno>	Krimpet: I am just passing things through the mediawiki engine. I am not currently using AuthDrupal because I am not really using MediaWiki for content
[15:33:30] <Krimpet>	ah, so it's a custom thing?
[15:33:34] <ryno>	I tried installing it though and I get the same thing
[15:33:35] <ryno>	yeha
[15:33:38] <ryno>	*yeah
[15:33:38] <Krimpet>	ah, ok
[15:35:19] <ryno>	Drupal has a mediawiki module (kinda) that lets me point to the local install of mediawiki
[15:35:41] <ryno>	It just allows you to pass through the engine
[15:35:55] <Krimpet>	ah; I'm suspecting it's not initializing the globals correctly
[15:37:24] <ryno>	Inside:
[15:37:24] <ryno>	function &wfGetDB( $db = DB_LAST, $groups = array() ) {
[15:37:24] <ryno>		global $wgLoadBalancer;
[15:37:24] <ryno>		$ret = $wgLoadBalancer->getConnection( $db, true, $groups );
[15:37:24] <ryno>		return $ret;
[15:37:25] <ryno>	}
[15:37:27] <ryno>	?
[15:37:49] <Krimpet>	yep; $wgLoadBalancer isn't getting initialized
[15:38:01] <ryno>	the $wgLoadBalancer is NULL when I do a vardump
[15:38:02] *Krimpet 	looks for a copy of 1.12 to check
[15:38:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image technical data should preceede info about other sizes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14832  (10brion)
[15:38:21] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38294 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateProperty.php: Increased size of 'allowed values' input
[15:38:55] <^demon>	cirwin: You know, lack of a database is a rather major error :-P
[15:39:10] <ryno>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download
[15:39:11] <cirwin>	but there was no helpful message
[15:39:24] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38295 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_TemplateField.inc: 'Standard' template created uses "wikitable" CSS class, instead of custom styles
[15:39:30] *MZMcBride_ 	bops Nikerabbit on the head.
[15:40:08] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38296 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: Added handling for new 'autocomplete on concept' parameter
[15:40:35] <^demon>	MZMcBride: Little bunny foo foo?
[15:40:39] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38297 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Added sffGetAllPagesForConcept()
[15:40:44] <MZMcBride>	Heh. Perhaps. :)
[15:41:05] <^demon>	What's more sad, that I made the reference or that you recognized it?
[15:41:16] <Krimpet>	ryno, do you know if Setup.php is getting run?
[15:41:30] <Krimpet>	it looks like that's where the globals get set up
[15:41:50] <Krimpet>	includes/Setup.php, to be exact
[15:41:50] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38298 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_AutocompleteAPI.php: 
[15:41:50] <CIA-55>	Added handling for new 'concept' autocompletion type, although substring
[15:41:50] <CIA-55>	handling doesn't work yet
[15:42:03] <ryno>	Krimpet: Let me check
[15:42:22] <ryno>	Krimpet: Do you know when that is supposed to be getting run?
[15:43:06] <Krimpet>	normally by includes/WebStart.php
[15:43:07] <ryno>	That gets run when you set up MediaWiki right?
[15:43:34] <Krimpet>	no, that stuff's in config/
[15:43:41] <ryno>	ahhh
[15:44:05] <ryno>	So how can I get it to run through the webstart?
[15:44:27] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38300 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.2.8
[15:44:27] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) MediaWiki:Mainpage used when MediaWiki: Mainpage-url should be used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14848  +comment (10brion)
[15:44:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) name mainpage and mainpage-description consistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14695  +comment (10brion)
[15:44:46] <MZMcBride>	^demon: Nikerabbit contends that all users of MediaWiki should have a strong password. And if they don't, we should use JS to tell them that they don't. The bopping indicates I disagree. ;)
[15:45:29] <^demon>	MZMcBride: See "PasswordStrength" extension. Needs some work though.
[15:45:43] <^demon>	Krimpet: The path is index.php -> StartProfiler.php -> Defines.php -> AutoLoader.php -> DefaultSettings.php -> LocalSettings.php -> Setup.php -> Wiki.php, from there it goes everwhere.
[15:46:14] <ryno>	Krimpet: Perhaps since I am bypassing the MediaWiki app and just trying to use the engine that isn't getting run?
[15:46:22] <Krimpet>	^demon, yeah, I'm just unsure where his custom Drupal thingy is entering
[15:46:32] <Krimpet>	ryno, yeah, that's probably why :)
[15:46:41] <Krimpet>	how much of the engine are you trying to use?
[15:47:30] <ryno>	Just the parsing stuff... basically we have a bunch of mediawiki content we are trying to get to display how it would in mediawiki only on our site
[15:47:53] <Krimpet>	ah, you probably don't want all that wgLoadBalancer stuff at all, then.
[15:48:14] <ryno>	[www.google.com Google Home Page] => hyperlink to google's page
[15:48:25] <Deffe>	hi guys, small question: I want to show a certain div ONLY if the user isn't logged in yet...where do i find info on how to do this?
[15:48:39] <ryno>	Yeah I would ideally bypass the loadbalancer stuff all together
[15:48:47] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38301 10/trunk/extensions/wikidiff2/wikidiff2.cpp: 
[15:48:47] <CIA-55>	* (bug 14870) FTBFS with GCC 4.3
[15:48:47] <CIA-55>	Add <string.h> header -- noted by overlordq@gmail.com
[15:48:47] <CIA-55>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5088
[15:48:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) FTBFS with GCC 4.3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14870  +comment (10brion)
[15:49:35] <ryno>	Well I guess I want to pass in the db connection, but not all the extra
[15:50:00] <Krimpet>	ryno, is this DB a MediaWiki DB, or a Drupal DB?
[15:50:16] <ryno>	Drupal, but I have both...
[15:50:46] <ryno>	But Ideally we would keep everything on Drupal
[15:50:55] <ryno>	(for searching)
[15:50:58] <Krimpet>	Deffe, a parser function would do the trick
[15:51:14] <Deffe>	aha, and where can I find documentation about this? (I'm really noobish)
[15:52:27] <Krimpet>	Deffe, check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions - there might be something of use in there. :)
[15:53:06] <Deffe>	thanks
[15:53:33] <ryno>	Krimpet: Do you think I could move the $wgLoadBalancer initiation into the functions that I am using?
[15:53:41] <ryno>	*initialization
[15:53:45] <ryno>	:-)
[15:54:00] <Krimpet>	ryno, I'm thinking it'd be best to find a way to call the parser directly instead. :)
[15:54:33] <ryno>	Yeah... you are probably right
[15:54:35] <ryno>	:-)
[15:54:41] <ryno>	No Jimmy-rigging
[15:55:19] *Krimpet 	looks at something
[15:56:53] <supericardoc>	hello
[15:59:01] <ryno>	Krimpet: hmmm. I am trying to think of a way to just disable MediaWiki's db functions... unless you know of a way to send things through Parser.php...
[15:59:05] <^demon>	The world is coming to an end. I mock the mainframe users at work, telling them I'm too young to use the mainframe and too young to know Cobol.
[15:59:21] <ryno>	hahaha
[15:59:23] <^demon>	My boss just gave me access to the damn mainframe :-P
[15:59:23] <ryno>	not good
[15:59:36] <^demon>	I must be old enough :-)
[15:59:41] <brion_>	bwahaha
[15:59:54] <Krimpet>	ryno, there's got to be a way to use just the parser. if it isn't, MW is broken and needs fixing. :)
[16:00:45] <^demon>	brion_: I tweaked the patch on the redirect table changes, adds a rd_fragment column populated by the section anchors :-)
[16:01:09] <ryno>	Krimpet: True. I guess I will see what I can do to just throw things through the parser... I can just feel the suckiness of all the work ahead of me. :-)
[16:01:14] <brion_>	\o/
[16:01:39] <ryno>	Krimpet: It shouldn't be bad though...just pass the content into the variable the parser is looking for I guess.
[16:01:51] <^demon>	If all this stuff is populated and correct, wouldn't we be able to start redirecting based on the table rather than having to get the page contents and parse it for redirectable text?
[16:02:28] <brion_>	hypothetically yeah
[16:02:33] <brion_>	depends how much we trust it i guess ;)
[16:02:33] <^demon>	:-)
[16:03:04] <^demon>	Redirect table gets updated on page save I believe, so it won't lag with the job queue.
[16:05:58] <PLGabscott>	Hello.  unless I am mistaken (which is very likely) [[Image:wikipede.png|thumb|100px|right|The Wikipede]] is the correct format for displaying a thumbnail image, 100 pixels in size aligned to the right with the caption "The Wikipede"
[16:06:13] <PLGabscott>	unfortunately this is not making the image thumbnail size.  any ideas?
[16:06:18] <Jhs>	PLGabscott, that is correct
[16:06:45] <PLGabscott>	I thought so Jhs.  unfortunately it isn't working.  the image just stays the same size
[16:06:50] <Jhs>	hmm
[16:06:52] <Jhs>	url?
[16:07:55] <PLGabscott>	it's under development right now and unfortunately i can't forward the webserver through the firewall
[16:08:02] <Jhs>	okies
[16:09:19] <Simetrical>	PLGabscott, do you have some image resizing program available to the software, like GD or ImageMagick?
[16:09:21] <Simetrical>	!thumbnailing
[16:09:21] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[16:10:23] <PLGabscott>	no, i do not Simetrical.  i am guessing that is a requirement then
[16:10:42] <Simetrical>	PLGabscott, yeah, we aren't going to try to write our own resizer in PHP.
[16:10:52] <PLGabscott>	alright.  thanks Simetrical
[16:10:58] <Werdna>	it might be slightly slow :)
[16:11:00] <Simetrical>	Usually PHP has GD installed, so it will often work out of the box, but we can't really make it reliable.
[16:11:41] <PLGabscott>	thanks for the info Simetrical.  I'll work on that now.
[16:13:38] <^demon|lunch>	Back later folks.
[16:14:36] <supericardoc>	guys , i have the following problem while parsing wikipedia XML dump : [Fatal Error] enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml:240342588:716: Invalid byte 2 of 4-byte UTF-8 sequence.
[16:14:36] <supericardoc>	org.apache.xerces.impl.io.MalformedByteSequenceException: Invalid byte 2 of 4-byte UTF-8 sequence.
[16:14:36] <supericardoc>		at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source)
[16:14:36] <supericardoc>		at IndexWikipedia.main(IndexWikipedia.java:52)
[16:14:46] <CIA-55>	03greg * r38302 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WatchlistEditor.php: Add an order by to the list of watched pages.
[16:14:52] <supericardoc>	after 10 hours of processing :(
[16:19:11] <CIA-55>	03greg * r38303 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql updaters.inc): Add separate index for watchlist(wl_user) [Postgres]
[16:19:28] <CIA-55>	03greg * r38304 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/postgres/compare_schemas.pl: Not so verbose, please.
[16:27:14] <brunkef>	I am looking to reset sys password
[16:27:55] <brunkef>	Is this stored in the db?
[16:28:37] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38305 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (14 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[16:28:37] <CIA-55>	AbuseFilter native parser:
[16:28:37] <CIA-55>	* Revert r38187 for now:
[16:28:37] <CIA-55>	** Introduced a memory leak.
[16:28:37] <CIA-55>	** Used an unnecessary library. The point is taken, and this will be fixed in a few days (using glibc instead).
[16:28:39] <CIA-55>	* Fix logic error in boolean ops.
[16:28:41] <CIA-55>	* Integrate with the PHP abuse filter using AbuseFilterParserNative class.
[16:34:29] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[16:34:32] <Nikerabbit>	who has hcalled?
[16:34:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r37313 broke parser tests for alternative databases. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14990  +comment (10greg)
[16:34:45] <CIA-55>	03simetrical * r38306 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WatchlistEditor.php: 
[16:34:45] <CIA-55>	Fix r38302:
[16:34:45] <CIA-55>	* PHP syntax error: mixing double and single quotes
[16:34:45] <CIA-55>	* Probably an SQL syntax error too, due to lack of a space, unless "wl_user = 123ORDER BY wl_title" works in non-MySQL databases. It doesn't in MySQL, and if it does in other engines, it probably shouldn't. :)
[16:36:23] <blun7>	in search results is it normal to see line numbers and the wiki syntax?
[16:36:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r37313 broke parser tests for alternative databases. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14990  (10greg)
[16:38:55] <G_SabinoMullane>	Ugh, committed to quick. Thanks Simetrical.
[16:44:13] <CIA-55>	03simetrical * r38307 10/trunk/extensions/CSS/CSS.php: Fix what I'm quite sure is an XSS exploit in the CSS extension, from r38275. See post to Wikitech-l. This patch is untested, so feel free to revert if I'm wrong.
[16:44:57] <CIA-55>	03rotem * r38308 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[16:48:56] <CIA-55>	03greg * r38309 10/trunk/extensions/AntiSpoof/batchAntiSpoof.php: Remove odd WHERE clause condition and standardize DB call, per bug 14989.
[16:49:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) batchAntiSpoof.php fails with Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14989  +comment (10greg)
[16:50:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong table schema / invalid queries in PostgreSQL (smw) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14071  summary (10greg)
[17:01:31] <MrSock>	Hi all.  The in-line Edit links in my wiki are throwing an error:
[17:01:32] <MrSock>	http://www.pastebin.org/60533
[17:01:42] <MrSock>	The Edit link at the top of the page works just fine though.
[17:01:45] <MrSock>	How to feex?
[17:02:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cortado is broken on Java 6 with the server VM - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14610  +comment (10matt.ingenthron)
[17:05:08] <CIA-55>	03simetrical * r38310 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.inc: (log message trimmed)
[17:05:08] <CIA-55>	(bug 14990) Don't hardcode MySQL backticks in table names for parser tests.
[17:05:08] <CIA-55>	Instead, switch the database prefix back and forth. This doesn't seem to either
[17:05:08] <CIA-55>	trash my wiki or change how well the parser tests run, but if you run this on
[17:05:08] <CIA-55>	Wikipedia without testing please don't blame me if it drops all tables on the
[17:05:11] <CIA-55>	master. :)
[17:05:13] <CIA-55>	Of course, $wgDBprefix is not meant to be changed a few dozen times every time a
[17:08:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r37313 broke parser tests for alternative databases. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14990  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:54:15] <[]>	any body here live ?
[17:54:44] <Laaknor>	nah
[17:56:16] <[]>	what is group "emailconfigmed" ?
[17:57:05] <[]>	emailconfirmed
[17:57:17] <MaxSem>	[], ???????????? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????? ?? ??????????????????????
[17:57:28] <Simetrical>	[], if MediaWiki is configured appropriately, it will contain (implicitly, not explicitly) all users who have confirmed their e-mail address.
[17:58:05] <[]>	MaxSem,  ?????? ??????????????, ??????????????????:
[17:58:23] <MaxSem>	?????? ???????????????????
[17:58:33] <[]>	Simetrical,  why I don't see it in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights ?
[17:58:57] <MaxSem>	[], because it's not assignable
[17:59:00] <VasilievVV>	[]: iirc it was removed in 1.13
[17:59:00] <Simetrical>	[], the group doesn't exist at mediawiki.org.
[17:59:12] <Simetrical>	MaxSem, no, non-assignable groups are there too, like autoconfirmed.
[17:59:18] <VasilievVV>	Though you still may add it via $wgAutopromote
[17:59:19] <Simetrical>	[], you have to create the group yourself if you want it.
[17:59:19] <MaxSem>	ugh
[17:59:39] <VasilievVV>	Use APCOND_EMAILCONFIRMED (or how is it called?)
[17:59:49] <[]>	Simetrical,  how ?
[18:00:13] <Simetrical>	[], 1.13 RELEASE-NOTES should tell you.
[18:00:24] <Simetrical>	$wgAutopromote['emailconfirmed'] = APCOND_EMAILCONFIRMED;
[18:00:31] <Simetrical>	And then assign it rights as usual.
[18:02:22] <kibble>	brion, where's MediaWiki's bugzilla skin located?
[18:02:23] <[]>	Simetrical, then what is $wgEmailConfirmToEdit=true; ?
[18:02:58] <kibble>	what does it look like?
[18:03:44] <kibble>	[], http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEmailConfirmToEdit
[18:08:10] <[]>	kibble, I don't undestand the difference between shaman's words " $wgEmailConfirmToEdit=true;"  and "$wgAutopromote['emailconfirmed'] = APCOND_EMAILCONFIRMED;"
[18:08:44] <[]>	????????, ?????? ???????? ???????? ???????????? ???? ???????????????????? :-(
[18:09:15] <Simetrical>	$wgEmailConfirmToEdit is an old config setting.  Not sure if it's useful anymore.
[18:09:26] <VasilievVV>	[]: first statement from architectural point of view is wrong and used before autopromotion system was introduced
[18:09:32] <Simetrical>	You should be able to achieve the same by creating an emailconfirmed group and setting its permissions, I guess.
[18:11:09] <[]>	MaxSem ???????????? - ?? ???????? ????????????  $wgEmailConfirmToEdit=true; ?? ???????????? ???????????????? ?????????? ???????????????????????????????? ??????????????... 
[18:11:12] <CIA-55>	03vasilievvv * r38311 10/trunk/tools/planet/ru/config.ini: Update Russian Planet
[18:12:47] <MaxSem>	???????????? ?????????????? $wgAutopromote, ?????????????????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????????? ????????????. ?? ?????? ???????????? ???????????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ???????? ??????????????????
[18:13:06] <Shiroi_Neko>	hello brion
[18:13:08] <Shiroi_Neko>	you around?
[18:14:01] <[]>	MaxSem,  ??????. ?? ?????????????????? ???????????????????????? ???? ?????????????? ?
[18:14:50] <tstaerk>	hi, I set up a new wiki, www.linuxintro.org.
[18:15:03] <tstaerk>	if you go there, you come to http://www.linuxintro.org/index.php/Main_Page
[18:15:14] <tstaerk>	how can I get rid of the "index.php/" ?
[18:15:59] <[]>	MaxSem,  ??????  ???????? ???? ?????? ???????????? ??  emailconfirmed - ?????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?
[18:16:33] <[]>	MaxSem, ???? ?????? ???????????? ?? ???????????????? ???????????? ???? ???????????? ?? ??????????????
[18:16:47] <MaxSem>	[], ???????????? ?????????????????????? ?????????? ?? ??????????????????. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management
[18:17:28] <[]>	MaxSem,  ?????? ????????????. ?? ?????????? - ???????? ????????.
[18:17:44] <MaxSem>	??.??. $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['move']             = false;
[18:18:02] <MaxSem>	$wgGroupPermissions['mynewcoolgroup' ]['move']             = true;
[18:18:05] <[]>	MaxSem,  ?? ???????????? ???????????? ???????? ???????????????? ???????? - ?? ???????? ?
[18:18:19] <MaxSem>	??????????????
[18:18:39] <[]>	?? ?????? ?? ?????????????????? ?????? ???????????????? ?
[18:18:58] <Simetrical>	!shorturl | tstaerk 
[18:18:58] --mwbot--	tstaerk: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[18:19:43] <tstaerk>	thanks Simetrical !
[18:20:03] <tstaerk>	seems a known issue ;)
[18:20:12] <MaxSem>	[], ???? ???????? ???? ?????????????????? ?????? ???????????????????????? ?????????????? ?????? ???????????? ???? ???????????? ???????????? ???? ????????????????. ?????????? ???????????????? ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WPUS
[18:20:56] <dergheh>	hallo
[18:24:54] <VasilievVV>	MaxSem: ???????? ???????????????? ????????????, ???? ?????????? ?????????????? ?????????? Extension:Nuke
[18:25:14] <Reedy>	VasilievVV, does that go Boom? :P
[18:26:54] <^demon>	I love things that blow up.
[18:26:57] <[]>	VasilievVV, ?????? ???????? ?????????????????????????? ?? ??????????????????????????????
[18:27:28] <[]>	???? ?? ?????????????????? ????????
[18:28:07] <blun7>	in search results is it normal to see line numbers and the wiki syntax?
[18:28:52] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion-busy!
[18:28:53] <Shiroi_Neko>	:(
[18:29:39] <VasilievVV>	[]: ???????????????? ?????? *, user, autoconfirmed, ?? ???????????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? emailconfirmed
[18:35:30] <Reedy>	^demon, xD
[18:35:42] <Simetrical>	blun7, yes.
[18:36:24] <blun7>	Simetrical: can that be changed?
[18:37:42] <rainman-sr>	blun7, get latest mediawiki and turn on advanced search highlighting
[18:38:57] <blun7>	thanks
[18:40:19] <[]>	VasilievVV,  ?????? ?? ?????????? ???????? http://wiki.laser.ru/index.php/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:ListGroupRights ?
[18:40:53] <[]>	VasilievVV, ?? ?????? ???????????????????? ???????????? ???????????? ?
[18:42:01] <blun7>	rainman-sr: do i need a nightly or will 1.12.0 do?
[18:42:06] <[]>	VasilievVV, ???????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????????, ?????? ???? ?????????????? ???????????????????? ?
[18:42:13] <rainman-sr>	blun7, you would need 1.13
[18:42:54] <Schroeder>	THE POPE POOPS!
[18:48:41] <^demon>	I really really hate when people come up with database table names that are the same as reservered names in SQL (specifically at work, on our MSSQL installs).
[18:49:21] <Simetrical>	^demon, well, as long as everything is quoted correctly it should be fine.
[18:49:25] <Simetrical>	With a good DB abstraction layer.
[18:49:49] <Simetrical>	Although it's a pain if you're doing anything manually, I guess . . .
[18:50:03] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[18:50:04] <^demon>	I'm trying to tweak something in one of our databses.
[18:50:11] <^demon>	They have a table named USER
[18:54:35] <VasilievVV>	[]: ???????????? $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; $wgImplictGroups[] = 'emailconfirmed';
[18:56:58] <Simetrical>	^demon, so do we.
[18:57:10] <Simetrical>	Of course it's actually "user", but SQL keywords are case-insensitive.
[18:57:20] <Fox_1_>	hi all
[18:57:29] <Fox_1_>	people I have problem with mediawiki
[18:58:25] <Fox_1_>	when I login it write login success, but when I want to open the page it again give error - Login Required
[18:58:54] <Fox_1_>	but when I check Remember password it works
[18:59:07] <^demon>	Simetrical: Is 'user' a general SQL reservered word, or just MSSQL?
[18:59:43] <Nikerabbit>	hi demon
[18:59:48] <^demon>	Hi Nikerabbit :-)
[19:01:24] <Fox_1_>	people did you see my messages?
[19:01:47] <Nikerabbit>	greetings from assembly(.org)
[19:02:47] <Fox_1_>	?
[19:03:23] <will_hough>	Fox_1_: Paitence
[19:03:47] <Simetrical>	^demon, it's reserved in pgsql too, I know that.
[19:04:21] <Simetrical>	It's not reserved in MySQL, which is a smart move.  http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/reserved-words.html
[19:04:38] <Simetrical>	I'm not sure the SQL standard concerns itself with things like access control.  Never read it.
[19:04:48] <[]>	VasilievVV,  ?? ?????? ?????????????????????????? ?????????????????????? ?? ???????????????????????? e-mail ?
[19:05:25] <^demon>	Simetrical: All I know is, god forbid I not bracket [USER] before trying to query it :-P
[19:05:41] <Shiroi_Neko>	Simetrical btw were you geographicaly in europe
[19:05:43] <VasilievVV>	[]: ?????????? :(
[19:06:12] <[]>	VasilievVV, ??????. ???? ?????????????? ?? ?????????? ??????????
[19:07:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extension Makebot is obsolete; should be removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14156  (10N/A)
[19:08:40] *kibble 	gives brion-busy an edit button: (re: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Talk:Travel_Policy )
[19:10:02] <Simetrical>	Shiroi_Neko, I'm in America.  New York City.
[19:10:13] <Simetrical>	Never been to Europe in my life, only America and (once) Israel.
[19:10:17] <Shiroi_Neko>	hmm
[19:10:34] <Shiroi_Neko>	I suppose I can still arange you a scolarship should you agree to be a speaker
[19:10:51] <Shiroi_Neko>	I am trying to arange a "EuroWikimania"
[19:11:06] <Shiroi_Neko>	and I want to figure out who the speakers will be :)
[19:11:10] <Shiroi_Neko>	I dont know if you'd be interested
[19:17:25] <Lendrick>	How do I make the title of a page not show up, like on the Wikipedia main page?
[19:17:34] <Lendrick>	with all that stuff in there, it's not obvious from a view source.
[19:17:49] <Shiroi_Neko>	thats a skin issue I believe
[19:18:23] <Lendrick>	if that's the case, why does the title show up on other pages?
[19:19:26] <Duesentrieb>	Lendrick: the trick is css based, an it'S not contained on the page itself
[19:19:48] <Duesentrieb>	!csshideheader | Lendrick
[19:19:48] --mwbot--	Lendrick: To hide the header on the main page, you need to add this CSS to the wiki page [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]: "body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display: none; }". If your main page's title is not "Main Page", you'll need to change it accordingly (look at the class on the <body> tag in the HTML source).
[19:20:20] <Duesentrieb>	this works for any page, actually, not just the main page
[19:20:31] <Lendrick>	got it, just replace the title?
[19:21:12] <Duesentrieb>	in the class name
[19:21:12] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[19:21:44] <Duesentrieb>	don't forget to purge browser cache
[19:22:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Double redirects are automatically fixed even when checkbox is unchecked - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14987  normal->high; +comment (10le.korrigan)
[19:23:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Double redirects are automatically fixed even when checkbox is unchecked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14987  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:25:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933  +comment (10daniel)
[19:26:24] <Lendrick>	thanks, that works. :)
[19:26:27] <Lendrick>	2-exis
[19:27:01] <Lendrick>	argh, there's a password I can't use anymore.  :)
[19:27:22] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[19:28:22] <Lendrick>	anyway, peace. :)
[19:32:42] <brion-busy>	kibble: it's a board-approved policy page; if i edit it maybe it becomes unapproved ;)
[19:32:50] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion-busy
[19:32:51] <Shiroi_Neko>	yay
[19:32:55] <kibble>	brion-busy, :-)
[19:33:10] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion do you think you can give me a minute?
[19:33:11] <kibble>	brion-busy, yet you think that the board actually reads messages left there? :P
[19:33:29] <Shiroi_Neko>	kibble the board is an illiterate group of people :P
[19:34:09] <kibble>	:P
[19:34:09] <brion-busy>	kibble: it's not for them, it's for me when i go looking for it next travel :)
[19:35:17] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion pretty please?
[19:41:14] <Fox_1_>	any suggest for me?
[19:41:48] <Duesentrieb>	!session | Fox_1_
[19:41:48] --mwbot--	Fox_1_: make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers.
[19:58:01] <^demon>	I swear, if I hit Ctrl+E when I mean Ctrl+W one more time, I will physically move Ctrl+E to a less easy-to-hit place.
[20:02:16] <Simetrical>	What do those do?
[20:03:18] <will_hough>	Ctrl+W will close a window
[20:04:18] <^demon>	And Ctrl+E closes the program.
[20:04:24] <^demon>	It's rather annoying when I want to do the former.
[20:06:01] <^demon>	Anyway, I'm off work. So now Ctrl+E is appropriate. Later all.
[20:10:50] <CIA-55>	03btongminh * r38312 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 3 dirs): API: Added iiprop=bitdepth to imageinfo and aiprop=bitdepth to allimages
[20:15:35] <Bryan>	wtf is this supposed to be doing:
[20:15:37] <Bryan>				$cache =& self::$mLocalisationCache[$this->getCode()];
[20:15:38] <Bryan>				foreach ( self::$mLocalisationKeys as $key ) {
[20:15:40] <Bryan>					$this->$key = $cache[$key];
[20:16:08] <Bryan>	it throws an E_NOTICE when doing something image related with the api
[20:16:14] <Bryan>	Notice: Undefined index: imageFiles in D:\wwwroot\phase3\languages\Language.php on line 2412
[20:16:29] <Bryan>	my $mLocalisationKeys:
[20:16:34] <Bryan>	Array ( [0] => fallback [1] => namespaceNames [2] => skinNames [3] => mathNames [4] => bookstoreList [5] => magicWords [6] => messages [7] => rtl [8] => digitTransformTable [9] => separatorTransformTable [10] => fallback8bitEncoding [11] => linkPrefixExtension [12] => defaultUserOptionOverrides [13] => linkTrail [14] => namespaceAliases [15] => dateFormats [16] => datePreferences [17] =>...
[20:16:36] <Bryan>	...datePreferenceMigrationMap [18] => defaultDateFormat [19] => extraUserToggles [20] => specialPageAliases [21] => imageFiles ) 
[20:17:49] <Bryan>	Nikerabbit: do you know?
[20:20:14] <blun7>	i'm trying to improve my search results
[20:20:28] <blun7>	i updated to the lastest nightly build
[20:21:12] <blun7>	and initially it was giving me good results, but then changed some settings, such as enabling ldap auth, and now my search results aren't as extensive again
[20:23:15] <CIA-55>	03yaron * r38313 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/export/SMW_Exporter.php: Fixed typo: SMWTypeValue => SMWTypesValue
[20:28:52] <blun7>	actually i think i'm just expecting different text to be highlighted
[20:30:40] <blun7>	the problem is in how i've organized the content, shit
[20:52:09] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38314 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Set 'centralauth-editset-grouplink' as optional
[20:53:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Changing Pace configuration should trigger an entry in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14993 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[21:00:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New revisions occasionally created with wrong text ( but correct rev_len) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14933  (10Platonides)
[21:31:14] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38315 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAm.php MessagesHu.php): Localisation updates for core from Betawiki
[21:37:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Changing Page configuration should trigger an entry in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14993  summary (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:38:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Changing Page configuration should trigger an entry in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14993  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:41:57] <^demon>	Siebrand: Got the e-mail, thanks.
[21:42:11] <siebrand>	^demon: great.
[21:42:19] <^demon>	I'll take a look now, give me a moment.
[21:42:21] <siebrand>	^demon: I think I forgot what it was about :)
[21:42:54] <^demon>	ForeignAPIRepo if apiThumbCacheExpiry is unset.
[21:45:56] <^demon>	Siebrand: Can you PM me the exact configuration you're using for the Foreign API repo? Also, what revision? Brion _did_ fix an error similar to this recently.
[21:47:50] <siebrand>	^demon: done.
[21:49:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User:Redirect fixer produces corrupted output on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14976  +comment (10russblau)
[21:51:00] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38317 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (115 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-07-31 23:37 CEST)
[21:53:04] <siebrand>	PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function getNamespace() on a non-object in /var/www/w/includes/Revision.php on line 111. Anyone?
[21:53:22] <siebrand>	(just popped up on Betawiki, unknown URL/action)
[21:57:34] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: on what page/action?
[21:57:46] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: unknown.
[21:58:01] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: does not appear in the webserver logs if it fails.
[22:00:58] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38318 10/trunk/extensions/ (84 files in 81 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-07-31 23:37 CEST)
[22:06:53] *AaronSchulz 	shrugs
[22:06:55] <AaronSchulz>	no idea
[22:07:07] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38319 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Not setting various parameters no longer causes the ForeignAPIRepo to fail horribly. Thanks to Siebrand for pointing it out.
[22:07:17] <^demon>	siebrand: Done :-)
[22:07:25] *siebrand 	hugs ^demon.
[22:07:54] <^demon>	The bare minimum parameters for a functioning ForeignAPIRepo is class, name, apibase. Everything else is now optional :-)
[22:08:37] <siebrand>	sweet. Btw, if you want to see it in action: translatewiki.net.
[22:08:44] <^demon>	I'll update the docs on mw.org in a bit.
[22:10:19] <^demon>	Awesome. I'm glad to see you guys are willing to give it a spin :-D. I'm really interested in feedback on possible improvements because I want to be able to remove the words "Hacky and inefficient" for 1.14 :-)
[22:10:19] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38320 10/trunk/extensions/ (Configure/Configure.alias.php Translate/Translate.alias.php): Localisation updates for special page aliases for extensions from Betawiki
[22:13:07] <^demon>	siebrand: Basically, I want you to break it. And break it badly :-P
[22:13:14] <brion>	what up
[22:13:22] <^demon>	Hola brion :-)
[22:13:45] <siebrand>	^demon: heh :) No time. Leaving that to other users of Betawiki, and will let you know as soon as they report it.
[22:13:59] <siebrand>	brion: nuttin' much, afaik.
[22:14:40] <siebrand>	brion: waiting for you to release 1.13, so I can change some 45 messages.
[22:14:47] <^demon>	brion: Would it be worth putting a FileRepo component to MW on Bugzilla? Some of the FileRepo stuff is largely unrelated to the rendering, etc. of images.
[22:14:58] <^demon>	Not just foreign, but in general.
[22:15:25] <brion>	siebrand: 1.13's already branched; what needs to be changed?
[22:15:39] <brion>	^demon: mmmmmm, dunno mebbe
[22:15:51] <siebrand>	brion: stuff. See http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Tasks#Generic_TODO_list for a broad overview.
[22:15:53] <^demon>	I'll take the default CC on it ;-)
[22:16:16] <rigel>	if i wanted to migrate just the data on a wiki to a different site, how would i do that
[22:16:23] <siebrand>	I need help on the first 2 headings. Can take care of the botom ones.
[22:16:26] <rigel>	includinglogins etc
[22:17:12] <brion>	siebrand: well changes can be made on trunk, that's for 1.14
[22:17:18] <siebrand>	rigel: dump the database, restore it on the new site, install MW with the same extensions.
[22:17:37] <siebrand>	brion: I know. Just keeping some easy backporting in mind :)
[22:17:41] <rigel>	so its only the db i would need to dump/import then
[22:17:59] <siebrand>	rigel: oh, oops: images folder, too.
[22:18:20] <brion>	siebrand: well i delegated the release management to tim, so bug him ;)
[22:18:31] <siebrand>	rigel: there is probably some (possibly out of date) documentation on this on mediawiki.org.
[22:22:33] <Jhs>	is there any way to search the source code of mediawiki?
[22:22:45] <siebrand>	rigel: anyway, it is how we moved our Betawiki instance to another server. Dump database, zip up your application files, restore the lot, install dependencies, and you should be up and running.
[22:22:53] <^demon>	Jhs: Grep?
[22:23:17] <Jhs>	ok
[22:23:24] <Jhs>	i'll have to learn how to use that then :p
[22:23:31] <^demon>	You on windows?
[22:23:31] <siebrand>	Jhs: still don't have that shell account? ;)
[22:24:10] <Jhs>	^demon, no, ubuntu. (right now on windows because my ubuntu machine won't connect to the damn wireless)
[22:24:16] <Jhs>	siebrand, nope. but there's no rush. ;)
[22:24:46] <siebrand>	Jhs: well, it would be great if Niklas and I could train you, raymond and leon at the same time :)
[22:24:58] <Jhs>	that'd be awesome
[22:24:58] <^demon>	I was going to say, WinGrep is probably the single best Windows grep tool.
[22:25:17] <siebrand>	indeed.
[22:25:45] <siebrand>	^demon: I use UltraEdit's grep quite often.
[22:26:01] <siebrand>	(well, "find in files" with regex support)
[22:29:12] <^demon>	brion: Is there any reason why you'd ever use mkdir() instead of wfMkdirParents()?
[22:29:20] <^demon>	(That you can think of? Hehe)
[22:32:26] <brion>	^demon: lameness?
[22:32:33] <^demon>	That's a good reason :-P
[22:36:44] <^demon>	I pinged you earlier about my patch to redirects and you said \o/. Ever glance at it, or were you brion-busy all day? heh
[22:39:26] <brion>	i've been either in meetings or working on my expense report most of the day
[22:39:30] <brion>	whee
[22:41:41] <fastfing1r>	Ahh, hey, I want only those peopel who have loged in to be able to edit pages
[22:41:55] <fastfing1r>	i added this to my LocalSettings.php
[22:41:56] <fastfing1r>	$wgWhitelistEdit = true;
[22:42:21] <Jhs>	^demon, in this line from Linker.php, why is there no > before the <span class thing ?
[22:42:23] <Jhs>	        return "<a name=\"$anchor\"></a><h$level$attribs$link <span class=\"mw-headline\">$text</span></h$level>";
[22:42:36] <fastfing1r>	Which didnt work, unless i need to do something after setting those var's
[22:42:41] <OverlordQ>	!access | fastfing1r
[22:42:41] --mwbot--	fastfing1r: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[22:42:51] <Jhs>	there is an enequal number of >s vs. <s
[22:43:21] <fastfing1r>	OverlordQ: thanks
[22:44:02] <brion>	Jhs: either it's broken, or $link ends with > for some ungodly reason ;)
[22:44:05] <brion>	prolly broken ;)
[22:44:24] <Jhs>	okay
[22:44:37] <Jhs>	but its output is good though. so that means the parser fixes it automagically or something?
[22:44:44] <Jhs>	or tidy
[22:46:51] <^demon>	brion: Neither?
[22:46:53] <^demon>	Somehow.
[22:47:10] <^demon>	I just put a header in and the output is fine, but I don't believe $level is "2>"
[22:47:14] *brion 	mutters about magical markup-fixing faeries
[22:49:36] <^demon>	$attribs begins in >
[22:50:06] <^demon>	@param string $attribs Any attributes for the headline, starting with a space and ending with '>' This *must* be at least '>' for no attribs
[22:50:17] *^demon 	mutters about rather odd parameters.
[22:50:22] <DJDevirt>	12H14i
[22:50:33] <Jhs>	that's odd, but it works...
[22:50:52] <DJDevirt>	ist mit mediawiki schwer zu arbeiten?
[22:54:42] <^demon>	Jhs: And I'm not seeing an immediate reason why, looking at Parser::formatHeadings()
[22:54:59] <Jhs>	hmm
[22:55:38] <fastfing1r>	Erm, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights <- what page has these config vars? or do I add it to LocalSetting.php?
[22:56:06] <Skizzerz>	add it to LocalSettings.php
[22:56:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	add to localsettings
[22:56:15] <fastfing1r>	Thanks :]
[22:56:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	:\
[22:58:21] <^demon>	Jhs: Gotcha. <h[1-6] is expected. Anything before the > is not. Maybe classes, ID's, etc. So $attribs grabs the rest of the header tag before the until it ends.
[22:58:59] <Jhs>	okay
[22:59:13] <^demon>	/<H(?P<level>[1-6])(?P<attrib>.*?'.'>)(?P<header>.*?)<\/H[1-6] *>/i is the regex.
[22:59:27] <Jhs>	i see
[22:59:35] <Jhs>	i have another quesiton for you about the same line though :P
[22:59:46] <^demon>	ok? I really know nothing about the parser, you know that right?
[22:59:54] <Jhs>	i don't know that :p
[23:00:11] <Jhs>	but i'll ask anyway
[23:00:39] *^demon 	removes die(print_r($attribs)); from Linker before he accidentally commits that too...
[23:00:50] <Jhs>	lol
[23:01:07] <Jhs>	in the line there is <a name=\"$anchor\"></a>; in the output however, that becomes <a name=\"$anchor\" id=\"$anchor\">. that's got to do with the parser, right?
[23:01:38] <^demon>	Tidy? I dunno, Brion would know better than I.
[23:01:41] <Jhs>	and is there any reason why we need that <a name=""> at all? isn't that only for backwards compatability with IE4 or whatever?
[23:01:56] <fastfing1r>	Hey it worked, thanks :D
[23:03:36] <^demon>	siebrand: About to run out. Just fyi that I've updated the docs on mw.org with all of the available parameters to $wgForeignFileRepos (specifically the missing ones from ForeignAPIRepo).
[23:03:57] <siebrand>	^demon: great. Have fun.
[23:05:08] <^demon>	Later everyone.
[23:20:50] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38321 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WatchlistEditor.php: 
[23:20:50] <CIA-55>	Revert r38302,38306 -- "Add an order by to the list of watched pages."
[23:20:50] <CIA-55>	This looks wrong -- an order by title wouldn't be indexed properly, and could be rather slow.
[23:31:47] <Jhs2>	brion, i want to remove the <a name="$anchor"></a> thing from Linker.php, and just use id="" (on the <h#> element instead). is that ok? i know the name attribute is there for backwards compatability with old browsers, but as far as i know you have to go back to IE4 or possibly IE5 to get any problems
[23:32:42] <brion>	hmmmmm
[23:33:05] <brion>	lemme see if i've got that ie 5 on win98 image around
[23:34:14] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion
[23:34:21] <Shiroi_Neko>	you use win 98?
[23:34:27] *Shiroi_Neko 	's world just collapsed
[23:34:32] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38322 10/trunk/extensions/CSS/CSS.php: Revert r38275, 38307 for now -- proper way to escape this stuff is being discussed.
[23:34:37] <brion>	i only pull out the vm to test ie 5.0 :D
[23:35:40] <Shiroi_Neko>	brion
[23:35:42] <Shiroi_Neko>	you know
[23:35:50] <Shiroi_Neko>	I was wondering if you could clarify something for me
[23:36:09] <Shiroi_Neko>	do you think you can attend the EuroWikimania thing early february if I manage to pull it off?
[23:36:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Warn when repeat occurrences of a named reference do not agree, in Cite. php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14994 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (phi1ipp)
[23:38:07] <brion>	Jhs2: IE 5.0/win98 doesn't seem to care whether you use <a name> or <h1 id>
[23:38:29] <brion>	netscape 4 might but i don't have one handy atm :)
[23:38:42] <Jhs2>	okies
[23:38:47] <brion>	however!
[23:38:58] <brion>	if you do make any such changes, *check the parser test results carefully*
[23:39:46] <Jhs2>	ok
[23:41:35] <Titoxd>	hey brion
[23:42:30] <Titoxd>	you think adding a new magic word to mark a page as "not content" when in a content namespace would be a good idea?
[23:42:52] *brion 	frowns
[23:42:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	why would that be useful?
[23:43:09] <Jhs2>	brion, oh, i found an error accidentally. on http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S38by/testcases , the last header is <h1>, the one above is <h6>; the tree starts at <h2>. shall i file a bug about it?
[23:43:22] <Skizzerz>	wtf?
[23:43:31] <Simetrical>	Titoxd, how does that make any sense?
[23:43:39] <Jhs2>	* url http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_Sby/testcases
[23:43:40] <Titoxd>	to tell the crowd that says "Special:Statistics is not accurate because the main page is in namespace 0" to quit whining
[23:43:40] <Simetrical>	Most "content namespace" checks are namespace-wide.
[23:43:50] <brion>	Jhs2: that's cause you start with a level 2 but then throw a level 1 at the end
[23:43:53] <Skizzerz>	Titoxd: wouldn't moving the page out of the content namespace work better?
[23:43:56] <brion>	things get confused when you do that :)
[23:43:58] <Titoxd>	e.g. in article::isCountable()
[23:44:15] <brion>	_most_ of the time we consider level 2 to be the highest level _inside_ a wiki page
[23:44:21] <brion>	but we let you put in a level 1 for back compat
[23:44:30] <brion>	but if you go out of order, god help ya
[23:44:31] <Titoxd>	Skizzerz: yeah, except when you have a trillion links pointing to it
[23:44:57] <Skizzerz>	isn't that why redirects are automatically created when pages are moved?
[23:45:38] <Titoxd>	yeah, but the point is whether the page should be moved at all
[23:45:44] <Jhs2>	brion,  ok. it's not worth the trouble XD
[23:45:45] <Titoxd>	which I don't think is necessary
[23:46:22] <cirwin>	Titoxd: wiktionary moved it's main page 
[23:46:35] <cirwin>	but we haven't removed the redirect
[23:47:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	umm, for one page you want to make that change? 9_9
[23:48:06] <Titoxd>	Mike_lifeguard: in a way, yeah, but also thinking for commons
[23:48:13] <Titoxd>	that they have like 40 main pages
[23:48:22] <cirwin>	well Wiktionary wants a totally different way of counting pages, because the current one fails miserably
[23:48:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	so does wikibooks
[23:51:52] *OverlordQ 	wonders if any of the PG devs are on
[23:57:08] <Lady_Aleena>	Is there a way to write a parser function to search for the highest numbered page? I have been thinking about it, and I am still not sure.