[00:05:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) retrieving passwords for accounts at locked database wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12746  (10tfinc)
[00:37:07] <CIA-55>	03shinjiman * r38604 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[00:41:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805  (10codemonk)
[00:53:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting FlaggedRevs be enabled on en.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15014  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:11:09] <CIA-55>	03krimpet * r38605 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: Added an id to history-search, so it can be accessed easily via DOM
[01:20:47] <CIA-55>	03dale * r38606 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/flvServer/ (MvFlv.php MvFlv_old.php README mvFlvServer.php): flvserver mostly working
[01:21:02] <CIA-55>	03dale * r38607 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/flvServer/MvFlv.php: flvserver mostly working
[01:47:07] <Emufarmers>	Is anybody who has worked on ConfirmEdit here?  I'm working on a patch, but I've hit a little roadblock
[01:53:54] <Krimpet>	Emufarmers, I could try to take a look, what's the issue?
[02:13:55] <naught101>	is it possible to put a message at the bottom of all non-existant pages that lists the "what links here" links?
[02:14:14] <naught101>	instead of on the separate "what links here" page?
[02:37:42] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38608 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[02:37:42] <CIA-55>	Refactor badaccess-groupX and friends to use User::getGroupsWithPermission().
[02:37:42] <CIA-55>	* Should be a bit cleaner, and remove those ugly ugly switch() statements.
[02:37:42] <CIA-55>	* Two messages are all that's needed here. Badaccess-group0, a generic
[02:37:42] <CIA-55>	"Permission denied" when no group is allowed access; and badaccess-groups which
[02:37:43] <CIA-55>	takes two parameters of $1 (groups required for access) and $2 (number of group
[02:37:47] <CIA-55>	matches, used for {{PLURAL:}}ing the message).
[02:38:17] <Krimpet>	whoa there, CIA-55. :p
[02:42:03] <^demon>	That would be my fault ;-)
[03:16:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CAPTCHA group exceptions only apply to edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12142  (10N/A)
[03:17:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CAPTCHA group exceptions only apply to edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12142  (10N/A)
[03:21:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CAPTCHA group exceptions only apply to edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12142  (10N/A)
[03:26:21] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38609 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Follow up per r38608: Update messages.inc
[03:39:43] <JP>	Does anyone know how to put advertisement on a wiki? Not on the actual article though.
[03:39:56] <slvmchn>	hi, i downloaded a giant .xml that's a backup of a wiki i want to use for offline use, do i have to do anything different when installing mediawiki? i just want to dump the whole thing into a folder and use it as an offline reference
[03:40:53] <slvmchn>	and only on this machine, not on a network
[03:41:06] <slvmchn>	so i don't need it as a server per se, at least not networkable, i just need to access it on this machine
[03:41:43] <JP>	Does anyone know how to put advertisement on a wiki? Not on the actual article though.
[03:57:01] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amediawiki.org+ads
[04:00:31] <Dantman|FS>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/GoogleAdSense/
[04:12:12] <slvmchn>	so i can just install mediawiki into a folder, put the wiki's .xml dump in another folder, and set it up like that?
[04:12:15] <slvmchn>	i just need it for offline use
[04:12:22] <slvmchn>	i don't need any sort of network rigamarole
[04:23:44] <Krimpet>	slvmchn, not quite, it requires a web server and database to run
[04:24:06] <Krimpet>	you could run it on a local webserver package like XAMPP, though. :)
[04:24:55] <Splarka>	which wiki's dump is it? do they offer static html dumps (most wikimedia projects do)?
[04:25:30] <Jeff__>	anyone there?
[04:25:32] <Jeff__>	?
[04:25:35] <Jeff__>	hello!!!
[04:25:47] <Deathgleaner>	!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:25:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!!!!!!!!!!!!".
[04:25:56] <Deathgleaner>	mwbot
[04:26:17] <slvmchn>	i'm not sure splarka, it's the nethack.wikia.com one
[04:26:57] <slvmchn>	i went here: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Database_download and followed those instructions and got the .xml.gz
[04:27:11] <slvmchn>	there's no way i can just parse the .xml into .htmls or something?
[04:28:05] <Splarka>	not without MediaWiki... 
[04:29:38] <slvmchn>	and mediaiwki requires a webserver... hmm
[04:29:49] <slvmchn>	maybe i'll look into xampp
[04:30:02] <Splarka>	not helpful for you, but just for reference: http://static.wikipedia.org/
[04:32:15] <Splarka>	"It's 9:30pm, do you know where your dev is?"
[04:32:19] <slvmchn>	i suppose i could just wget the site recursively but that's ridiculous
[04:32:38] <slvmchn>	i already did the root folder but it's missing most of the content which is in subdirectories
[04:33:13] <Splarka>	how big is nethack.wikia ?
[04:35:22] <JSharp>	Splarka, pretty big, looks like
[04:35:58] <sherrod>	hi guys
[04:36:07] <Splarka>	heh, slvmchn: be sure to let Jsharp know before you wget so he can block you
[04:36:09] <slvmchn>	the .xml is about 100 megs
[04:36:11] <sherrod>	i was wondering if it was possible to embed vimeo videos into a mediawiki instance 
[04:36:18] <slvmchn>	haha yeah exactly, that's why i wouldn't do that
[04:36:36] <JSharp>	indeed, not very nice on the servers
[04:36:42] <Splarka>	generally it is nice to put in a user-agent with contact addy, and use &maxlag=5 to not tax the servers
[04:36:47] <slvmchn>	is there some xml browser or something i can use to just search through the file?
[04:37:07] <Splarka>	the problem is, the xml are generally raw wikicode, not very useful without mediawiki
[04:37:17] <slvmchn>	ok if i resort to that i'll make sure to do that... i guess it's not such a big issue at the moment, just sometimes i spend time in maine with no internet and nethack helps pass the time
[04:37:24] <Splarka>	the parsing of such pages depends heavily on what other pages exist, templates, images, and full access to the database
[04:37:27] <slvmchn>	yeah
[04:37:45] <Splarka>	sherrod: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FramedVideo  maybe
[04:38:19] <sherrod>	Splarka: OMG YAY THANK YOU
[04:38:20] <sherrod>	:D
[04:38:50] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:EmbedVideo#Vimeo  <-- only mentions it on the talk page though, might not support it out of the box
[04:38:56] <Splarka>	(a second extension, that is)
[04:39:35] <sherrod>	I know we can embed youtube, i wonder if there is just a differnt syntax to use vimeo
[04:39:36] <Krimpet>	FramedVideo looks to be the best bet
[04:40:08] <sherrod>	I will give this a try right now and see what happens!
[04:43:06] <Splarka>	"google for it: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mediawiki.org" should be in the topic ^_^
[04:43:35] <slvmchn>	oh snap! i think i found something: http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Offline_Reader_Expedition
[04:43:50] <slvmchn>	aww only for wikitravel
[04:43:51] <slvmchn>	sigh
[04:44:04] <Krimpet>	Splarka, it's kind of embarrasing, though, for us to admit Google is better than our own internal search for that ;p
[04:44:35] <Splarka>	I consider it a source of pride
[04:44:43] <slvmchn>	do wikia wikis have a much different format than other wiki sites? if i can find some offline wiki app that reads a raw .xml dump is there any chance it'd work with a wikia wiki dump?
[04:45:02] <Krimpet>	slvmchn, all MediaWiki dumps should be more or less the same
[04:45:27] <Splarka>	slvmchn: you still need it to be able to use the parser tag and parser function extensions wikia has installed
[04:45:42] <slvmchn>	i don't know what that means :-(
[04:45:42] <Splarka>	otherwise it might not know what to make of weird syntax
[04:45:50] <slvmchn>	oh
[04:45:51] <slvmchn>	ok
[04:46:08] <Splarka>	well, like Wikia has http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions
[04:46:22] <Splarka>	most wikis don't, so what would such a tool do when it saw #replace
[04:46:38] <slvmchn>	no chance there's any backup mirrors i can leech off are there?
[04:46:42] <slvmchn>	or something like that
[04:46:48] <Splarka>	the parser is not really a parser, but an iterated replace system
[04:46:59] <Krimpet>	there's a couple of offline readers here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps#Wikipedia_Dump_Reader though I'm not sure to what degree they support ParserFunctions.
[04:46:59] <Splarka>	heh, well, google's cache? ^_^
[04:47:18] <slvmchn>	ah well i give up for now, i can figure this out later, i just want to figure it out before ww3 so when the internet dies i can still play nethack and read my spoiler wiki lol
[04:48:30] <Splarka>	you need access to the full database, for things like templates and even simple things like whether [[Foo]] is blue or red (class=New), you need the same parser extensions in Special:Version, you need pretty much the same LocalSettings.php (although you can guess at many), and the same system messages (generally), and if you want images you need the images too... it isn't a simple task to static dump without the same version and setup of mediawiki
[04:48:53] <Splarka>	this is why wikiwyg is so hard
[04:49:31] <Splarka>	you can only peripherally guess at simple wikicode, like '''foo''' being bold and [[abc:foo]] being a link of some sort (redirect? red? interwiki? namespace?)
[04:50:34] <Splarka>	heck, abc: might be the localized version of Category:, which would have a completely different behavior than an interwiki
[04:50:40] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38610 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[04:50:40] <CIA-55>	Revert r38587, r38589 for now ("(bug 2314) Add links to users custom CSS and JS into Special:Preferences")
[04:50:40] <CIA-55>	This clutters up the prefs UI with a lot of links which don't currently apply,
[04:50:40] <CIA-55>	most of which will never be used. It also isn't clear how it would apply to
[04:50:40] <CIA-55>	proposed non-skin-specific pages such as User:X/common.css/.js and
[04:50:42] <CIA-55>	User:X/print.css
[04:51:13] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Users custom CSS and JS not linked from Special:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2314  +comment (10brion)
[04:51:18] <Splarka>	I'd say wget at maybe 12 pages/min with maxlag=5, until Jsharp blocks you ^_^
[04:51:28] <JSharp>	it will take you forever
[04:51:33] <Splarka>	obviously
[04:51:40] <JSharp>	best to just install a local mysql instance and php
[04:51:56] <Splarka>	the thing they hate the most is that IE5/6 mode "Make available offline", with absolutely NO time between requests
[04:52:47] <JSharp>	it's blocked most everywhere
[04:53:04] <JSharp>	also, always obey robots.txt :)
[04:53:21] <Splarka>	brion: a very good point against any type of user/common.js is that changing skins is a refuge for people who put body {display:none;} in their monobook.css and setInterval(0,'alert:("yay!")') in their monobook.js
[04:53:44] <brion>	Splarka: turning off javascript in the browser does a good job at that too
[04:54:05] <JSharp>	mmm
[04:54:10] <Splarka>	so some say
[04:54:19] <Splarka>	but it doesn't help people at libraries and 'net cafes
[04:54:26] <brion>	:)
[04:54:35] <Splarka>	(of which I've had to help maybe 4-5 while at wikia, who couldn't disable JS)
[04:54:44] <JSharp>	indeed
[04:55:08] <JSharp>	it's rather annoying sometimes, JS load is way too high there
[04:55:16] <Krimpet>	unless the wiki has a rouge admin messing with people's JS, though, is that a problem? :)
[04:55:25] <JSharp>	mostly because of YUI *bleh*
[04:55:26] <Dantman|FS>	;) Which is why people also propsed &nocss=1&nojs=1
[04:55:59] <Splarka>	javascript: you have Heston's gun collection. You find 30 ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
[04:56:06] <JSharp>	heh
[04:56:16] <Krimpet>	generally someone knowledgeable enough to lock themselves out with CSS/JS with no emergency exit probably means to do so :p
[04:56:23] <Splarka>	heh
[04:56:32] <JSharp>	Splarka, and you have eval() for ammunition <G>
[04:56:38] <Splarka>	right, but user/common.js is just so... I dunno, ookie
[04:56:45] <Krimpet>	&nocss/&nojs sounds like a good idea, though.
[04:56:48] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38611 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Linker.php Xml.php): (log message trimmed)
[04:56:48] <CIA-55>	Revert r38591 -- "Make good-faith effort to run BrokenLink hook in
[04:56:48] <CIA-55>	Linker::link(). No parser-test regressions, and it shouldn't change behavior
[04:56:48] <CIA-55>	unless Xml::expandAttributes() and Sanitizer::decodeTagAttributes() aren't
[04:56:48] <CIA-55>	inverses up to normalization."
[04:56:49] <CIA-55>	IMHO this is an excellent opportunity to kill a horrible interface and replace it with a sane one. Note the only use of the BrokenLink hook currently in our SVN is in SemanticForms:
[04:56:54] <CIA-55>	/**
[04:56:59] <Krimpet>	"In case of rougeness, break glass."
[04:57:16] <Dantman|FS>	Splarka: ^_^ Wikia already has something even more evil... global.js... You can lock yourself out of every last one of Wikia's wiki at once... rotfl
[04:57:22] <Splarka>	but user/print.css sounds trei sexy
[04:57:37] <Dantman|FS>	;) And every skin at that
[04:57:38] <Splarka>	Dantman|FS: I bribed Datrio personally for that
[04:57:44] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[04:57:45] <JSharp>	global is really rather evil
[04:57:46] <Splarka>	it was my favorite Wikia feature ever
[04:57:51] <Dantman|FS>	mhmm
[04:57:56] <brion>	Splarka: assuming we wish to protect against a broken/rogue common.css/.js, then just hitting another skin doesn't help :)
[04:58:02] <brion>	unless there's a no-css-no-js skin :D
[04:58:19] <Splarka>	brion: well, most users won't create every user/skin.js 
[04:58:27] <Splarka>	and those that do... well, they deserve it
[04:58:36] <Krimpet>	I tried writing a global CSS/JS greasemonkey script, since I figured something that global would be better on the client side...
[04:58:38] <brion>	they were asking for it? tsk tsk
[04:58:44] <Splarka>	my problem with user/common.js is that new scripts will have instructions to install them into common.js
[04:58:48] <Splarka>	and people will of course do that
[04:58:53] <Krimpet>	little did I know greasemonkey's security model makes it nigh impossible -_-
[04:59:43] <Dantman|FS>	T_T You guys discussed embedding external videos without poking me...
[04:59:52] <Splarka>	and not only are most scripts template-skin oriented (addPortletLinks for example), they are also mostly untested in the other skins
[04:59:53] *JSharp 	wonders why
[04:59:54] <JSharp>	heh
[05:00:09] <Krimpet>	Greasemonkey apparently makes it impossible to inject .js into the page that runs completely within that page's scope.
[05:00:20] <Splarka>	I do code mine for other skins, but almost never actually test them in other skins
[05:01:02] <Splarka>	anyway, I just think user/common.js would be a pandora's box that would cause nasty regression if it was later removed
[05:01:16] <JSharp>	yep, there's no taking it away for sure
[05:01:23] <JSharp>	well, not without a lot of pain
[05:01:27] <JSharp>	like ripping off a band-aid
[05:01:51] <Splarka>	it isn't terribly helpful to people who stick with one skin 99.9% of the time, it would decrease usability slightly, and it would deprecate the skinspecific.js 
[05:01:55] <Krimpet>	on the other hand, a user Common.js might encourage scripters to code cleaner
[05:02:09] <JSharp>	heh, right...
[05:02:15] <Dantman|FS>	rotfl
[05:02:22] <Splarka>	brion: you reverted Simetrical's statement of deprecation for MediaWiki:Skinname.js but it will be a long time before people believe that
[05:02:33] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:02:35] <Splarka>	and it will carry over to user/common.js if implemented X_X
[05:02:46] <Splarka>	mmm
[05:03:14] <Splarka>	if common.js was to be used, would it use a combined load with another gen=js or yet *another* <script> ?
[05:03:58] <Dantman|FS>	userallinone.js ftw!
[05:04:01] <Splarka>	(hint for you committers, if you distract br*on like this while he's on svn, he won't have time to revert *all* the new features)
[05:04:10] <Splarka>	ew
[05:04:17] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:04:40] <Splarka>	anyway, per user/print.css and MediaWiki:Print.css
[05:04:44] <Dantman|FS>	Better support for JS libraries, and allinone was one of my todos
[05:04:51] <Splarka>	I do think it would be trei-helpful to have printable=yes set a <body> class
[05:05:01] <Splarka>	<body class="printskin-Monobook">
[05:05:10] <Splarka>	then you could have skin specific rules as needed
[05:05:27] <Splarka>	http://livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/07/17/Chinese_restaurant_takes_the_cake_for_naming_error
[05:05:28] <Dantman|FS>	eek... if you're going to do that
[05:05:48] <Dantman|FS>	<body class="printable skin-monobook">
[05:06:07] <Splarka>	well, actually I just realize it would be silly, you'd want it on regular views too
[05:06:14] <Splarka>	skin-Monobook
[05:06:23] <Splarka>	otherwise people printing outside printable=yes wouldn't get it
[05:07:04] <Dantman|FS>	;) And it would let us put *minor* differences for something inside of common.css where the rest of that code actually is
[05:07:28] <Dantman|FS>	ie: Titleicons code, with a minor location tweak for a certain skin
[05:07:42] <Dantman|FS>	Though... honnestly I need to make titleicons an extension
[05:07:56] <Dantman|FS>	Absolutely positioning those has got to go
[05:07:58] <Splarka>	yes, that would be a problem... features would creep
[05:08:10] <JSharp>	features creep, it's what they do
[05:08:30] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ And bugs itch...
[05:08:32] <JSharp>	so, burn then while they're not infesting the code base :)
[05:08:36] <Splarka>	could have a special syntax for print.css  and gen=printcss
[05:08:50] *Splarka 	grins
[05:08:51] <JSharp>	wikitext++ heh, scary
[05:09:01] <JSharp>	wikitext, now turning complete!
[05:09:04] <JSharp>	eh
[05:09:05] <JSharp>	turing
[05:09:08] <JSharp>	can't type tonight
[05:09:16] <Dantman|FS>	wlisp
[05:09:29] *JSharp 	shudders, hides in the corner
[05:09:33] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:09:38] <Splarka>	wikicode
[05:09:50] <JSharp>	my god... it's full of parenthesis
[05:09:54] <Splarka>	(cue Dan saying "I am writing wikicode, what you mean is wikitext")
[05:10:05] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Make it more wiki like... use square brackets instead! heh
[05:10:07] *JSharp 	sighs
[05:10:22] <Splarka>	brace yourself
[05:10:26] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:10:38] <Splarka>	this will grab you by the short and curlies
[05:10:42] <Dantman|FS>	[insert :laughter]
[05:12:02] <Dantman|FS>	heh... [wikitext->html ...]
[05:13:12] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38612 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Update for r38533 -- avoid notice spew from groups that have no record for the perm
[05:13:21] <JSharp>	articles.map!{|article| article.to_lolcats }
[05:13:35] <Dantman|FS>	Though... honnestly, a light, secure, in-wiki programming language would kill the need for millions of parserfunctions
[05:13:36] *JSharp 	hides
[05:13:44] <JSharp>	...
[05:13:56] <JSharp>	Dantman|FS, no such thing <G>
[05:14:03] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:14:06] <JSharp>	well, hmm
[05:14:33] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Well ok... if you're trying to parse it with PHP, it's not going to be light... heh
[05:14:51] <JSharp>	no. PHP can be fast, it's all a question of how you use it
[05:15:05] <Splarka>	a php javascript interpreter
[05:15:14] <Dantman|FS>	eeek
[05:15:22] <JSharp>	Splarka, I don't know you anymore!
[05:15:26] *JSharp 	grins
[05:15:27] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:15:37] <Krimpet>	well, if such a language came standard with PHP as a C module, it wouldn't be so bad. :)
[05:15:53] <Krimpet>	say, if they embedded SpiderMonkey.
[05:16:22] <Krimpet>	or Lua, or Guile. :)
[05:16:24] <Dantman|FS>	JavaScript syntax is a bit loose... we should stick to something a bit more simple and strictly defined... that would reduce the amount of parsing needed
[05:16:52] <JSharp>	why would you want javascript server side except to allow web designers to program? (hint: they should never touch anything resembling anything like a programming language!)
[05:16:54] <Splarka>	http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/darth_otter/e-mail_cake.jpg
[05:17:26] <Krimpet>	JSharp, so you could use a proper programming language in wikitext?
[05:17:30] <JSharp>	well, most of them anyway :) there's always the rare exception who understands what O(n^3) means
[05:18:23] <JSharp>	Krimpet, if you really wanted to, you could just use a programming language and program the article output itself, there's nothing special about wikitext... it's just markup
[05:18:57] <JSharp>	albeit very well integrated markup :)
[05:20:16] <Krimpet>	JSharp, I think the goal would be an easy, sandboxed language for embedding scripting in a wiki page, that users can understand.
[05:20:32] <Splarka>	LET $page = "Templae:Infobox"
[05:20:32] <Splarka>	IF $PAGEEXISTS($page ) THEN PRINT $PARSE($GETWIKICODE($page))
[05:20:40] <Splarka>	mmm, wikibasic
[05:20:40] *JSharp 	bites splarka
[05:20:43] *Splarka 	bleeds
[05:20:43] <JSharp>	rar
[05:20:53] <Splarka>	how about TX81 scripting language?
[05:20:57] <JSharp>	my IQ just dropped 5 points from reading that! <G>
[05:27:34] <Dantman|FS>	when [title text=%page%].exists [output %then%] otherwise [output %else%]
[05:31:56] <MZMcBride>	[[TX81]].
[05:32:17] <MZMcBride>	Hmm. No Wikipedia article. Clearly it doesn't exist.
[05:32:43] <CIA-55>	03brion * r38613 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (OutputPage.php Title.php): 
[05:32:43] <CIA-55>	Cleanup to r38608 ("Refactor badaccess-groupX and friends to use User::getGroupsWithPermission().")
[05:32:43] <CIA-55>	* Remove some code duplication
[05:32:43] <CIA-55>	* Fix some errors and plural failures in OutputPage::permissionRequired()
[05:32:43] <CIA-55>	* Make the badaccess messages consistently wikitext now; in last rev they were output in different ways in each usage
[05:33:00] <Splarka>	er TI81
[05:33:31] *Splarka 	had a programmable Casio before TI-81 existed, so never used them
[05:33:34] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-81
[05:34:40] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_fx-7000G
[05:36:28] <Dantman|FS>	{when {^pagename^ is 'FooBar'} $mr-happy$='Bob'}   .....   [output format:text ($mr-happy$|default='Bill')]
[05:39:47] <Dantman|FS>	[def[] toutput text [output format:text %text%]]
[05:40:14] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ heh... time to stop crafting an evil language I can understand, yet probably won't like programming with...
[05:40:51] <Dantman|FS>	though... just for reference
[05:41:02] <JSharp>	TI-89 most awesome CAS ever
[05:41:08] <JSharp>	heh
[05:41:36] <JSharp>	essentially portable mathematica
[05:42:17] <Dantman|FS>	{block} [call keyedparam=value numericparam] (modifierblock|modify=with) $variable$ %parameter% ^constant^ 
[05:42:32] <Dantman|FS>	oh whoops... the : in the one before should have been a =
[05:42:38] <JSharp>	Dantman|FS, I am going to hurt you for mimicking perl <G>
[05:42:44] <Dantman|FS>	eh?
[05:42:50] <JSharp>	heh
[05:43:19] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ honnestly I can't even remember what syntax perl used... I attempted it breafly and ran away...
[05:45:40] <JSharp>	you should not need sigils to say what something is, arg
[05:45:54] <JSharp>	rather, all the time at least
[05:46:13] <Dantman|FS>	%this%?
[05:46:20] <brion>	behold my sigil!
[05:46:29] <brion>	bow before the almighty $DEITY
[05:47:02] *JSharp 	cowers, makes a laser out of ruby and blasts your $DEITY to bits :)
[05:47:17] <Splarka>	$whereis(god(USERNAME),currenttime)
[05:47:25] <JSharp>	hahaha
[05:47:29] <JSharp>	ha
[05:47:38] <JSharp>	pure win
[05:47:44] <brion>	bwahahaha
[05:48:08] <JSharp>	god(USERNAME) => null <G>
[05:48:31] <Splarka>	symlink /dev/null -> /dev/il
[05:48:31] <brion>	if($someone->asks($you instanceof Deity)) { echo "yes"; }
[05:49:00] <Splarka>	puft.stay()
[05:49:00] <JSharp>	I collect spores, molds, and fungus.
[05:49:04] <JSharp>	heh
[05:50:39] *Dantman|FS 	decides it would be more productive to find anime to watch since he only gets to watch it this night and likely won't be able to watch any for a week after that
[05:51:23] <brion>	aww
[05:51:26] <Dantman|FS>	Oh... on another note... JSharp, did you see my evil little PHP bit in #wikia-dev awhile back?
[05:51:32] <Splarka>	whatcha watchin lately, Dan?
[05:51:46] *Splarka 	is trogging through Ranma per someone's suggestion
[05:52:08] <Dantman|FS>	Splarka: ^_^ Why do you think I maintain http://anime.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dantman/Watch_List
[05:52:19] <Splarka>	to keep me from viewing it, obviously
[05:52:24] <Splarka>	wikia js = evil
[05:52:32] <Dantman|FS>	heh...
[05:52:35] <Dantman|FS>	Actually...
[05:53:14] <Dantman|FS>	http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/electronicme/trunk/plugins/animewatchlist/ There's little there... but it's a planed plugin I intend to make my watchlist part of my about me site
[05:53:41] *Splarka 	bahs and tries http://anime.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dantman/Watch_List?action=render
[05:54:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Timezone for fi.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14642  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:54:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) set correct Time Zone for hr.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14969  +comment (10jeluf)
[05:54:20] <Dantman|FS>	Heh... Splarka, you may actually want to click the "Full" link, and use normal view so you actually have access to the sort
[05:54:31] <Splarka>	bah
[05:54:34] <Splarka>	what, no deathnote?
[05:54:37] <Dantman|FS>	;) It's nearly unreadable to anyone other than me if you don't sort it
[05:54:45] <Splarka>	only anime I ever watched that made me buy the Manga 
[05:55:15] <Splarka>	(and it should all be available on deathnote.tv now)
[05:55:17] <Dantman|FS>	I stoped counting the series I finished arround 40 or 50... ;) Not including the many partially finished ones
[05:55:25] <Splarka>	bah
[05:55:49] <Dantman|FS>	what genre is your preference?
[05:55:52] <Splarka>	but do you fansub and/or download semi-illegally
[05:56:09] <Splarka>	I only buy or catch on TV (well, mostly from dialup ^_^)
[05:57:09] <Splarka>	genre? hmmm... well I can enjoy Super Milk Chan and Shinchan...
[05:57:12] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I have an import of Tales from Earthsea... there is NO english in the menus... lucky the first option on the DVD is play movie
[05:57:49] <JSharp>	heh
[05:57:56] <Splarka>	but also vaguely realistic/serious like Planetes, surreal like Vampire Hunter D...
[05:58:01] <Splarka>	heh
[05:58:26] <Splarka>	basically any genre, but the worst thing I ever saw was Eyes of M.A.R.S.
[05:58:38] <Splarka>	and yet the best was Trigun, very similar genre
[05:58:53] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:59:00] <Dantman|FS>	Watched most of Trigun...
[05:59:04] <Splarka>	most!?
[05:59:04] <Dantman|FS>	Hmmm...
[05:59:13] *Splarka 	puts a $$$6GiB bounty on you
[05:59:32] <Dantman|FS>	Only one or two remaining...
[05:59:48] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I have issues finishing a series when it's good
[06:00:05] <Dantman|FS>	;) Why do you think Claymore is stuck where it is...
[06:00:36] <Splarka>	I've only seen ~20-25 complete series, and maybe 2 dozen movies
[06:00:42] <Splarka>	heh
[06:02:09] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38614 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[06:02:09] <CIA-55>	Reapply part of r38587:
[06:02:09] <CIA-55>	* 'skinpreview' renamed to 'skin-preview': brackets outside of the hyperlink now. Betawiki has done the rename job for all languages already.
[06:03:34] <Dantman|FS>	Hmm... Seen Hellsing?
[06:03:51] <Dantman|FS>	Devil May Cry, and Black Blood Brothers may also be of interest... though maybe I'm tracking off
[06:04:11] <Dantman|FS>	I don't know which part of that genre is the one that catches you
[06:05:35] *Splarka 	shrugs
[06:05:35] <Splarka>	sec
[06:06:50] <Dantman|FS>	Sooo... JSharp, evil concept? http://wiki-tools.pastebin.com/d34db3d01
[06:07:47] <JSharp>	Dantman|FS, little busy atm
[06:07:49] <JSharp>	check in a bit
[06:08:12] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ be sure to ping me when you freak out in some way...
[06:08:33] <JSharp>	sorry, what?
[06:08:39] <Dantman|FS>	heh, you
[06:08:42] <Dantman|FS>	'll see
[06:09:01] <Splarka>	Cowboy Bebop, Figure 17, Legend of Himiko, Magic Knight Rayearth, Planetes, Princess Princess, S-CRY-Ed, Samurai Champloo, Rune Soldier, The Big O, Witch Hunter Robin, Wolf's Rain, Ghost in the Shell, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist, InuYasha
[06:09:08] <Splarka>	OTTOMH
[06:10:19] <Dantman|FS>	hmm... old style mainstreamer category...
[06:10:33] <Dantman|FS>	Hellsing would probably fit in
[06:11:48] <Splarka>	and lots of movies; most I can't recall
[06:12:20] <Splarka>	or differentiate from 4-6 part OVA, heh
[06:13:23] <Splarka>	Akira, Armitage III, Urusei Yatsura 2, Paprika, Howl's Moving Castle, Mononoke, Vampire Hunter D, Eyes of MARS, X, Shadow Skill, Birdy the Mighty, Wings of Hhoweveritsspelt, Patlabor/2, DNA Sights 999.9, 3x3 Eyes, Cyber City OEDO 808, several Appleseed
[06:13:25] <Dantman|FS>	I watch things from bout 85% of the genres there are... though, as I watch my mood for a style changes
[06:13:55] <Dantman|FS>	oooh... 3x3 Eyes, got to continue with that one
[06:14:15] <Dantman|FS>	Paprika was definately interesting to
[06:14:29] <JSharp>	yes, good movie
[06:14:36] <Splarka>	Urusei Yatsura movie 2 "Beautiful Dreamer" was the strangest mindfsck I ever saw
[06:14:51] <Dantman|FS>	FLCL?
[06:14:55] <Splarka>	it only aired on the Sci-Fi channel once, like 10 years ago, and I caught it, and then only saw it again last year
[06:15:01] <Splarka>	oh, yah, saw FLCL
[06:15:38] <Splarka>	most of Lupin III, some of Blood+
[06:15:52] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I saw all of Blood+ and own the movie
[06:16:02] <Dantman|FS>	Though, I prefer the series over the movie
[06:16:08] <Splarka>	tried Bleach, got too annoying. Geass currently airing
[06:16:38] <Splarka>	not sure why I watched all of InuYasha, was hoping something would happen I guess
[06:16:41] <Dantman|FS>	Code Geass was part of a small subgenre I'm fairly interested in... tied in with Death Note as well
[06:16:44] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[06:17:05] <Splarka>	yah, treats the world like a big overlord game
[06:17:17] <Splarka>	I hated Eureka 7, heh
[06:18:03] <Splarka>	and Case Closed was pretty hard to stomach
[06:18:09] <Dantman|FS>	Well... more like to me, the main character gets a single power... it's fairly strong you'd think, but it's actually how the main character uses it that makes it so powerfull
[06:18:26] <Dantman|FS>	In what way?
[06:19:01] <Splarka>	repetitive, like hundreds of eps of all the same "look how clever I am"
[06:19:18] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[06:19:37] <Dantman|FS>	You could just focus on the story arcs
[06:19:40] <Splarka>	oh, Read or Die, Macross, Bubblegum Crisis... Animatrix count?
[06:19:43] <Splarka>	heh
[06:19:47] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[06:19:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable enotif (email notifications) on all but the largest wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15031  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:20:00] <Dantman|FS>	Read or Die was interesting, haven't gotten to far
[06:20:27] *Splarka 	is a bit OCD, will only buy when *every* bit of an anime series/universe is available on DVD (discounting one-off specials, recaps, and parodies)
[06:20:35] <Dantman|FS>	It's one of the ones where I reached a key crossing point at just a certain time, and got that gut fealing that stops me from continuing
[06:20:47] <Splarka>	aww
[06:21:37] <Dantman|FS>	Kind of a subconcious desire not to finish something good, because the effect of it being good starts to wear of after you finish it...
[06:21:56] <Splarka>	that feeling renews itself when you force someone else to watch it
[06:22:00] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[06:22:03] <Splarka>	and then parasite off their emotions
[06:33:11] <MZMcBride>	'wgEnotifUserTalk' => array(
[06:33:12] <MZMcBride>	    'default' => true,^M
[06:33:17] <MZMcBride>	What's ^M ?
[06:36:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) site fails to open - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15040 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (kent.whitney.1)
[06:41:13] <TimStarling>	OggHandler seems to be completely broken on opera/linux
[06:43:52] <TimStarling>	has anyone got it on windows? I'd like to test it there to make sure
[06:45:35] <TimStarling>	MZMcBride: somebody has an editor that inserts carriage returns randomly
[06:46:13] <MZMcBride>	Well, hopefully that doesn't break things. It was in a paste from JeLuF here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15031
[06:49:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bot flags automatically although previous version is unflagged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14196  (10pbirken)
[07:03:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Flagging revision should use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  +comment (10pbirken)
[07:14:22] <TimStarling>	MZMcBride: he's just copying out of vim, if it were an actual caret and M, it would break things, but it's just whitespace to PHP
[07:14:56] <MZMcBride>	Ah, ok.
[07:15:55] <flyingparchment>	mmm, mixed line endings
[07:16:08] <flyingparchment>	who edited it on windows and forgot to change the eols? ;)
[07:19:47] <Oberoten>	Top of the morning, Ladies, Gents... and fellow peasants. 
[07:20:21] <Oberoten>	Just started working on Semanti forms and I have found it to be a bit of a !%#/& in the &"/(# to say the very least... 
[07:20:32] <Oberoten>	... anyone know of any noob tutorials about it?
[07:23:20] <Oberoten>	Also on a secondnote, I have been looking at the code as per used on another Wiki and found something really NICE which they use in conclusion with Semantics... Subst: which seems to let them create entries on one page when creating another. 
[07:24:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Incorrect rendering SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15041 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (delimata)
[07:27:02] <CIA-55>	03rotem * r38615 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he + fixing messages.inc.
[07:30:29] <TimStarling>	alright, nobody wants to test OggHandler for me, so I guess it's time to restart into windows
[07:37:28] <sentinel100101>	hi can im using secure html to display html pages on protected pages.. i want to knw whether its possible to restrict access to certain sites?
[07:39:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect rendering SVG images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15041  +comment (10crochet.david)
[07:42:11] <sentinel100101>	how do i make an page say abc.html appear in a page in wiki using secure html! the file abc.html is only my local server itself!
[07:43:01] <sentinel100101>	say the file is in /public_html/abc.html
[07:43:12] <sentinel100101>	i want to open it in a page in the wiki
[07:45:41] <CIA-55>	03mkroetzsch * r38616 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryProcessor.php: Show query errors also for format=count
[07:48:39] <leche>	hey, i just allowed "sysop" to create new users, how to get to the page where i can create new users?
[07:48:56] <leche>	something like search for "Special:Login" or so
[07:49:50] <sentinel100101>	Special:UserLogin?
[07:52:53] <leche>	yeah, that works thanks
[08:00:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging revision should use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:08:29] <k-man_>	is there a way to "paste" an image into a media wiki page when you are editing it? like for screen shots
[08:13:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Editbox layout problem with bidi-Gadget - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15042 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Gadgets; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:16:23] <Oberoten>	AaaahAH!
[08:16:58] <k-man_>	what?
[08:17:34] <Oberoten>	I have been headbutting against Semantic forms for inputting Data more easily for the past 27 hours (with a break for sleep) 
[08:17:42] <Oberoten>	... I think I might have finally figured it out. :)
[08:17:56] <RoanKattouw>	You an SMW dev?
[08:18:00] <Oberoten>	(( Excpect cusswords in the next few minutes if I haven't. ))
[08:18:23] <Oberoten>	RoanKattouw : I wish I was. :) Maybe THEN I could make sense of this. :) 
[08:18:33] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[08:19:18] <RoanKattouw>	There are probably SMW devs around here in the afternoon and evening; right now they're probably all asleep
[08:22:31] *Splarka 	abuses api
[08:22:48] *RoanKattouw 	calls API care
[08:22:56] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, I *am* API care :D
[08:23:05] <Splarka>	did you see the new http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/dabfinder.js  ?
[08:23:15] <Splarka>	I had to paginate since you put a 500 limit, heh
[08:23:54] <Splarka>	working with a guy on the toolserver to use a json call there, rather than hit the API so hard
[08:24:18] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[08:24:35] <RoanKattouw>	Because you're actually querying loads of information and throwing away nearly all of it
[08:24:36] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38617 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/eval.cpp: Add missing cpp file
[08:25:00] <Splarka>	indeed, but there isn't much else I can do, other than scrape the edit page of each link
[08:25:05] <Splarka>	at least the API lets me batch it
[08:25:07] <RoanKattouw>	So err how is this supposed to work? It makes all links to disambig pages turn yellow?
[08:25:16] <Splarka>	no, outlines them in green
[08:25:27] <RoanKattouw>	OK, but it's about disambig templates
[08:25:28] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamethrower
[08:25:32] <RoanKattouw>	*pages
[08:25:50] <Splarka>	javascript:void(importScript('User:Splarka/dabfinder.js'));
[08:26:30] <Splarka>	what it does is iterate over every link on the page (well, registered links, easier than scraping the page), and for every link it finds, it gets a list of templates on that page, and any that match the disambiguations template list get flagged
[08:26:39] <Splarka>	and then it scrapes the page and tries to match them up
[08:27:06] <Splarka>	it resolves redirects and works with multiple links to the same dab, usually
[08:27:10] <RoanKattouw>	Well there are two things that bother me here
[08:27:37] <Splarka>	(it will break if there are more than 500 links on the page, probably)
[08:27:40] <Splarka>	which are?
[08:28:01] <RoanKattouw>	First, scanning the list of templates for just one means throwing away a lot of information. If you're using the Toolserver anyway, why not use a DB query directly which just checks if that particular template is included in that particular page?
[08:28:07] <RoanKattouw>	After you've gotten the list of links of course
[08:28:15] <Nikerabbit>	mornng all
[08:28:23] <Nikerabbit>	is everyone happy and so?
[08:28:30] <Splarka>	well, I am not using the toolserv at all, I wrote this before the guy offered
[08:28:39] <Splarka>	and it isn't just one template name, it is a dynamic list of about a dozen
[08:28:47] <Splarka>	and there are even redirects to those templates
[08:28:56] <Splarka>	I wrote this to just use the API, at the time
[08:29:09] <RoanKattouw>	And second, the fact that you're scraping the links. Maybe we could modify the parser to assign IDs to links, so you don't have to iterate over every link
[08:29:17] <Splarka>	heh
[08:29:23] <Splarka>	well, people have been using title="" to match before
[08:29:26] <RoanKattouw>	How could there be multiple disambig templates? Also, redirects don't matter in this case
[08:29:28] <Splarka>	but as Tim says, that is subject to change
[08:29:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect rendering SVG images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15041  (10delimata)
[08:29:34] <Splarka>	and redirects do matter
[08:29:44] <Splarka>	in the first case, redirects to pages that are disambiguations
[08:29:50] <Splarka>	that is a link to a disambiguation, and a redirect
[08:30:00] <RoanKattouw>	If Template:A redirects to Template:B and you include {{A}}, you'll also show up in B's embeddedin
[08:30:12] <Splarka>	in the second case, links to pages that have a template, that is a redirect to a disambiguation templatew
[08:30:29] <Splarka>	ahh, well dab redirects are used automatically
[08:30:32] <Splarka>	because they show in the list
[08:31:05] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, you're using templates, not embeddedin. But since it uses the same table, I still think both A and B will show up in prop=templates
[08:31:23] <Splarka>	well, here is what I'm doing
[08:31:23] <RoanKattouw>	You're right about the first case, you need redirect resolution there
[08:31:30] <Splarka>	well, I don't directly
[08:31:39] <Splarka>	but people are not supposed to resolve redirects
[08:31:41] <Splarka>	it wastes time ^_^
[08:31:49] <Splarka>	but dabs are a fun way to distract people
[08:31:59] <Splarka>	anyway, here is more intricate flow
[08:32:12] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage  < first I grab prop=links from here
[08:32:17] <RoanKattouw>	I don't think we mean the same by "resolving redirects". I mean what the &redirects parameter does
[08:32:41] <Splarka>	this page defines what templates populate the pages that when linked to appear on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Disambiguations
[08:33:02] <Splarka>	yes, I do mean &redirects but I also have to back-resolve them
[08:33:22] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah. There's the <redirects> section for that, though
[08:33:23] <Splarka>	so, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage I grab all the link to template namespace, and save them as a list
[08:33:28] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[08:33:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please change title page after flagging is complete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15043 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[08:33:55] <Splarka>	then I grab all the links on the current page and shove them through a generator, grabbing all templates on those pages
[08:34:39] <RoanKattouw>	Then you query-continue through the whole list (maybe thousands of them)
[08:34:49] <Splarka>	indeed...
[08:34:51] <Splarka>	messy
[08:35:03] <Splarka>	but I also resolve the redirects, because they get normalized
[08:35:19] <Splarka>	if [[Foo]] redirects to [[Bar]] I get [[Bar]] listed, but since I compare to the scraped page I need to know [[Foo]]
[08:35:33] <RoanKattouw>	That's what the <redirects> section is for
[08:35:39] <Splarka>	and that is what I use it for
[08:35:44] <Splarka>	^_^
[08:35:48] <Splarka>	but it is messy
[08:35:49] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[08:35:51] <RoanKattouw>	Yep
[08:36:14] <Splarka>	anyway, it is horribly complex and slow and insane to do in JS with the API
[08:36:21] <Splarka>	but the fun toys in the API make it so tempting ^_^
[08:36:27] <Splarka>	right now I'm working on a time machine
[08:36:52] <Splarka>	here is what I have so far, not working yet http://p.defau.lt/?veYDyF_50sOJk71HZl3dhA
[08:37:34] <Splarka>	if on an oldid= and you activate it, it changes all appropriate links to a javascript: command
[08:37:39] <RoanKattouw>	OK, so what does that do other than running a prop=revisions query to find out the correct oldid?
[08:37:41] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[08:37:52] <Splarka>	this javascript command queries the API for that title, and the revision closest to the selected date
[08:37:54] <RoanKattouw>	So the links *also* go to old versions
[08:37:56] <Splarka>	and if found, takes you there
[08:38:11] <Splarka>	right, but the original date is preserved, so you don't keep going back
[08:38:35] <RoanKattouw>	So basically you're able to browse the wiki the way it was a week ago
[08:38:37] <RoanKattouw>	Except for templates
[08:38:38] <Splarka>	by passing &timetravel via the javascript: fetch and document.location.href = in the callback
[08:38:42] <Splarka>	yah
[08:38:45] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Requests#Time_Traveller:_Browse_wikipedia_.22as_of.22_a_given_date_in_the_past
[08:38:52] <Splarka>	I told the guy "this is impossible"
[08:38:56] <Splarka>	and he said "oh, just cascade oldid"
[08:39:02] <Splarka>	also images, etc
[08:39:12] <Splarka>	I am not sure how to handle pages with no revision older than the date
[08:39:18] <Splarka>	I might just abort, or change the link to a red link
[08:40:03] <Splarka>	query to self: why do I do crazy things like this
[08:40:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Wikipedia:Spam-Blacklist-Log to robots.txt for dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13961  +comment (10email_metawiki_138)
[08:40:53] <Splarka>	Roan: I'd someday like to fix cidr contribs thing if the pagination could be made to actually work, but the problem is of course, the sorting by name before date, probably making it improbable for now
[08:42:14] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Red link. Because that's what it was at that date
[08:42:48] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:42:52] *Splarka 	ponders scraping page
[08:42:55] *Splarka 	decides to be lazy
[08:43:12] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe you'd be better off to just tinkle with the parser and add timetravel capability *there*
[08:43:15] <Splarka>	Roan: I wish there was a way to pass some generic info to the API to have it returned
[08:43:25] <Splarka>	like a number for future reference
[08:43:29] <RoanKattouw>	That would take care of the red links, old templates, old images and all that
[08:43:48] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: You mean like when you're doing multiple requests in parallel?
[08:43:57] <Splarka>	right now I have to name the callback, like ... &callback=timetravel' + i + '&...
[08:44:07] <Splarka>	and then do an iteration eval() for each possible function
[08:44:18] <Splarka>	and have them as wrappers for the real callback with the extra parameter
[08:44:25] <RoanKattouw>	Simply do something of which you know the result, like adding meta=allmessages&ammessages=Foo
[08:44:43] <RoanKattouw>	Or ammmessages=1 , 2 , 3 , etc.
[08:45:01] <RoanKattouw>	So you're gonna get an <allmessages> element with exactly one message in it
[08:45:07] <Splarka>	eww, hacky
[08:45:36] <Splarka>	but yes, exactly that, for parallel requests
[08:45:48] <Splarka>	maybe as simple as... &callback=foo&callbackid=123
[08:45:54] <Splarka>	foo({obj},123)
[08:46:34] <Splarka>	maybe not callback specific, 
[08:46:39] <Splarka>	maybe jsonid=123 or such
[08:46:40] <Splarka>	brb
[08:51:15] <Splarka>	Roan: What do you think, what would be the best way to implement that without the need for a named function of each callback title
[08:59:58] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Maybe request prop=foo1
[09:00:06] <RoanKattouw>	Which you know doesn't exist, so you'll get a warning
[09:00:41] <Splarka>		"warnings": {
[09:00:41] <Splarka>			"query": {
[09:00:41] <Splarka>				"*": "Unrecognized value for parameter 'prop': foo1"
[09:00:42] <Splarka>	ew
[09:00:52] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah well
[09:01:00] <Splarka>	heh
[09:01:04] <Splarka>	I'll just leave that for now
[09:01:07] <RoanKattouw>	It's slightly less hacky and definitely less load on the servers than the allmessages thing
[09:01:13] <Splarka>	I was going to use it to turn the links read really easily
[09:01:17] <Splarka>	^red
[09:01:29] <Splarka>	er, using eval()
[09:01:37] <Splarka>	but I decided I'd just alert() for now;
[09:01:49] <RoanKattouw>	Why do you need variable callbacks for that?
[09:02:06] <Splarka>	so I don't have to scrape the page, I hate doing that
[09:02:26] <RoanKattouw>	I still don't understand why you can't feed all those results through the same callback
[09:02:28] <Splarka>	that is, to search all links, and match against query/pages/#/title
[09:02:45] <Splarka>	hmm?
[09:03:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) accounts created by admins should be autoconfirmed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9398  (10N/A)
[09:03:15] <RoanKattouw>	Well obviously you're running multiple API queries and you want each one to go through a different callback function
[09:03:23] <RoanKattouw>	Why can't they all go through the same one?
[09:03:43] <Splarka>	well, no, they do go through the same one in this script
[09:04:03] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/usershowidle.js
[09:04:06] <Splarka>	here is one in which they don't
[09:04:30] <Splarka>	for(var i=0;i<user.length;i++) {
[09:04:34] <Splarka>	  var url = wgServer + wgScriptPath + '/api.php?action=query&maxage=900&smaxage=900&format=json&callback=usiCB' + i  ...
[09:04:42] <Splarka>	and then I make a wrapper function for each i
[09:04:44] <Splarka>	  eval('usiCB' + i + ' = function(tobj) { usiCB(tobj,' + i + ')}');
[09:04:50] <Splarka>	which calls the callback with an extra parameter, num
[09:05:01] <Splarka>	that way I can tell which object called which query
[09:05:53] <Splarka>	and I could do the same for this script, to identify which link caused the query, but these aren't parallel, only one will be clicked, and it isn't really critical that it happens, so I won't go through the trouble
[09:05:58] <RoanKattouw>	OK... But for at least some purposes, can't you tell which object called a certain query by looking at the result?
[09:06:17] <Splarka>	that is, if the query does find an old revision, it will go to it with document.location.href, so I don't care about the good ones
[09:06:27] <Splarka>	well, not really
[09:06:35] <Splarka>	except by matching say...
[09:06:43] <Splarka>	query/pages/#/title
[09:06:45] <Splarka>	and scraping the links
[09:06:49] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[09:07:01] <Splarka>	an ID number would be most helpful ^_^
[09:07:09] <Agony>	why #time do not recognize e or T (www.php.net/date timezone-related keys)
[09:07:23] <RoanKattouw>	!parserfunctions
[09:07:23] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[09:07:26] <Splarka>	probably for all formats
[09:08:28] <RoanKattouw>	Agony: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#.23time: says the format is *similar* to PHP's date, not *the same*. See that page for a list of what's recognized
[09:08:30] <Splarka>	in xml maybe <api id="#">
[09:08:43] <Splarka>	in json maybe ({data},"#")
[09:08:44] <Splarka>	etc
[09:08:48] <Agony>	[[m:Help:ParserFunctions]] says "The format parameter is a format string similar to the one used by PHP's date"... similar yes but not same :(
[09:09:09] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: I like the <api id="#"> suggestion, please file
[09:11:17] <Splarka>	Roan: will do! can you tell me how this would manifest in other formats?
[09:11:27] <Splarka>	I mean, would json use ({},
[09:11:56] <RoanKattouw>	Well in PHP it would manifest as array('api' => array('id' => 1, 'query' => ...
[09:11:57] <Splarka>	er ({},{"id":"#"}) or ({},"#") or ({},#) ?
[09:12:57] <RoanKattouw>	{ "id":"#", "query": { ...
[09:13:14] <Splarka>	hmm, internal? ahh well
[09:13:18] <RoanKattouw>	Basically, "id" is a subelement of <api>
[09:13:18] <Splarka>	maybe less generic than "id" 
[09:13:34] <Splarka>	well, no, id is accepted XML... damn
[09:13:38] <Splarka>	okay
[09:13:43] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah a different name would be nice
[09:14:15] <RoanKattouw>	How about requestid= ?
[09:14:50] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:15:16] <Splarka>	well, should this return even for error messages?
[09:15:30] <Splarka>	<api id="foobar">\n<error code="help" info="">
[09:15:32] <Splarka>	might be handy
[09:15:49] <Splarka>	that way a program with lots of parallel junk can log the id for debugging
[09:15:58] <Splarka>	maybe apiid= ?
[09:16:09] <RoanKattouw>	Err <api id="foobar"><error></api>
[09:16:14] <RoanKattouw>	<error> is a subelement of <api>
[09:16:22] <Splarka>	yes, just an example
[09:16:40] <RoanKattouw>	Of course it should return for error messages too
[09:16:44] <Splarka>	because &requestid implies it would only happen with requests to me
[09:16:51] <Splarka>	k
[09:17:02] <RoanKattouw>	Well whether successful or not, a request is a request
[09:17:08] <Splarka>	I'll leave it open as to a name
[09:18:02] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[09:20:42] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	what for is the setup.php in includes/setup.php
[09:20:55] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	should it be called always or only one time during isntallation?
[09:21:20] <RoanKattouw>	Daniel_Dimitrov: It's always called during initialization
[09:21:39] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	damn :) I was afraid from that answer :)
[09:21:51] <RoanKattouw>	Why? You shouldn't be worrying about that
[09:23:35] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	I'm hacking mediawiki to work with joomla and I'm only getting fatal errors so far :) and as i turned off the call to setup.php I was thinking that i went forwards, but then I got another error messages :)
[09:23:39] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	and so on :)
[09:23:59] <RoanKattouw>	I believe require_once('includes/WebStart.php'); is the way to og
[09:24:07] <Nikerabbit>	Agony: mau
[09:24:33] *Splarka 	wishes bugzilla had preview, again
[09:24:40] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15044
[09:24:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) give API an id type parameter for parallel operations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15044 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (herd)
[09:24:54] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	RoanKattouw: yes, I'm hunting from there :)
[09:25:16] <Agony>	RoanKattouw: well got it with ({{#ifexpr: {{LOCALHOUR}}-{{CURRENTHOUR}} = 3 | EEST | EST }})
[09:26:16] <RoanKattouw>	Agony: OK, looks like it's hackish but should work
[09:26:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Flagging revision should use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:26:44] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) give API an id type parameter for parallel operations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15044  (10roan.kattouw)
[09:26:50] <Nikerabbit>	Agony: e at least is php 5.1 only
[09:27:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change title page after flagging is complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15043  (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:29:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change title page after flagging is complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15043  (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:31:08] <Splarka>	just time travelling, this is actually pretty cool
[09:31:57] <Splarka>	if buggy ^_^
[09:32:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please change title page after flagging is complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15043  (10pbirken)
[09:32:31] <domas>	flogging
[09:32:35] <domas>	I like flogging more
[09:32:37] <domas>	FloggedRevisions
[09:36:12] <Splarka>	domas, hmm, dom[inant]a[nd]s[adist]
[09:39:54] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	http://pastebin.com/d65c53049
[09:40:03] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	the var_dump at the end doesn't show something
[09:40:10] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	neither NULL, neither something else
[09:40:15] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	any ideas?
[09:41:42] <RoanKattouw>	Daniel_Dimitrov: It's probably erased by MW's initialization. Add die(); right after the var_dump();
[09:43:41] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	why should I add die() ?
[09:45:05] <RoanKattouw>	Daniel_Dimitrov: So the script dies right then and there, outputting your var_dump();. If you don't, MediaWiki's output buffering system will overwrite it.
[09:45:46] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	just found the script dies several lines above
[09:46:12] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	RoanKattouw: http://pastebin.com/d2f3b24ed
[09:46:23] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	after these line the script is dead
[09:46:50] <RoanKattouw>	Any error messages?
[09:47:37] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	none, it goes in else
[09:47:44] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	and before wfIncrStats( 'request_without_session' ); is working
[09:47:49] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	after that is dead
[09:47:57] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	oh shit
[09:48:04] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	of course there is an error message
[09:48:15] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	I was wondering where this function is called
[09:48:17] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	Fatal error: Call to a member function incr() on a non-object in D:\xampp\htdocs\jowiki\components\com_joomlawiki\includes\GlobalFunctions.php on line 1639
[09:48:30] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[09:48:38] <RoanKattouw>	Sounds like you didn't do your initialization well
[09:48:49] <RoanKattouw>	What's on GlobalFunctions.php:1639 ?
[09:48:51] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	http://pastebin.com/d55544421
[09:48:56] <RoanKattouw>	Probably $wgSomething->someFunc()l
[09:49:09] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	the global $wgMemc is empty
[09:49:13] <RoanKattouw>	Yup, $wgMemc->incr();
[09:49:27] <RoanKattouw>	Exactly. It's supposed to be initalized somewhere, probably Setup.php
[09:50:44] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38618 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove unused message (since r24952).
[09:51:38] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	hm, I'm unot using the last version of mediawiki
[09:51:56] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	and the last version's setup file looks different
[09:53:35] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	well it is initialized on line 139: $wgMemc =& wfGetMainCache();
[09:54:01] <RoanKattouw>	Daniel_Dimitrov: Why aren't you using 1.12.0 or even 1.13.0rc1 then? What *are* you using?
[09:54:18] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	1.9.3 I believe
[09:54:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) #time to support timozone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (agony79)
[09:54:47] <RoanKattouw>	Right, so you're using an MW version that's like a year old
[09:54:58] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	and $wgMemc debug info: object(FakeMemCachedClient)#146 (0) { }
[09:55:32] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	:) it was working one year ago, and now it should not work :)
[09:55:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045  summary (10roan.kattouw)
[09:55:34] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	?
[09:56:17] <RoanKattouw>	Well if $wgMemc is an instance of FakeMemCachedClient, you shouldn't be getting that fatal error about $wgMemc not being an object
[09:57:40] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	ok, I will start again from the begining with the latest version
[09:58:04] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	I don't like 13 as a number - is it good, are there a lot of bugs?
[09:58:31] <RoanKattouw>	Lots of improvements: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2008-July/000074.html
[09:58:32] <domas>	it will eat your babies
[09:58:42] <RoanKattouw>	And of course the improvements in 12, 11 and 10
[09:58:44] <exobuzz>	where do i find documentation for the mediawiki XML builders class (mentioned on a help page on building special pages) ?
[09:58:52] <RoanKattouw>	!doc Xml
[09:58:52] --mwbot--	An overview of available documentation about MediaWiki can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub>
[09:59:00] <RoanKattouw>	!class Xml
[09:59:00] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classXml.html
[09:59:05] <RoanKattouw>	That's the one
[09:59:15] <exobuzz>	thanks
[10:01:00] <exobuzz>	Xml::buildForm supports different field types ?
[10:01:33] <RoanKattouw>	I guess
[10:01:40] <RoanKattouw>	I always build my forms manually
[10:01:46] <exobuzz>	need more documention really.. :/
[10:01:54] <RoanKattouw>	Never even knew about buildForm(), but then again most of my forms use tables
[10:02:11] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: i wanted to avoid possible xss and so it says to use these functions
[10:02:16] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[10:02:47] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: The idea here is that $fields = array('myext-foo' => Xml::input(...), ...)
[10:03:11] <RoanKattouw>	So the key is an MW message and the value is the result of an Xml:: function
[10:03:17] <exobuzz>	ahaa
[10:03:25] <RoanKattouw>	The output is a table with the MW messages in the left column and the fields in the right column
[10:03:40] <exobuzz>	that helps me thanks. because what it says "Associative array, key is message corresponding to a description for the field (colon is in the message), value is appropriate input." isnt all that useful!
[10:03:43] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm that's actually quite useful
[10:03:46] <Splarka>	Agony: how useful would e and T actually be? ...
[10:03:57] <Splarka>	unless you had a template used on a lot of different wikis, for example
[10:04:01] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: I didn't know before, just figured it out by reading the code
[10:04:26] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: :) something i wanted to avoid.. :)
[10:05:00] <RoanKattouw>	Actually, thanks for pointing buildForm() out to me, I might actually start using it
[10:05:00] <exobuzz>	i suppose i should document what i do whilst making this extension so that others can use the information, but then it will take twice as long
[10:05:33] <RoanKattouw>	Well if you don't document behind yourself, you don't really have the moral right for complaining about the terse docs for Xml::
[10:05:39] <Splarka>	I mean, it would only apply to the timezone of the sever (same as {{LOCAL*}} magicwords), and not at all to the user, so it'd be pretty static on a given wiki
[10:05:40] <exobuzz>	yes
[10:05:42] <exobuzz>	that is true.
[10:05:53] <Splarka>	^Agony
[10:06:54] <Agony>	Splarka: static only if timezone do not have daylight saving time
[10:07:17] <Splarka>	bah, DST needs to die X_X
[10:07:21] <Splarka>	fair
[10:07:37] <Agony>	(for example in fiwiki we are now EEST but after sunday 04:00 timezone is EST)
[10:08:09] <Agony>	and I see no harm if this is implemented for #time
[10:08:30] <Splarka>	EEST? EDT?
[10:08:52] <Agony>	Sorry, meant EET
[10:09:02] <Splarka>	ah
[10:09:47] <Agony>	Eastern European (Summer) Time
[10:14:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045  (10str4nd)
[10:19:54] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: that documentation api doesnt quote correctly. if in the php it says "use &gt;, &lt; instead of < >" in the api documentation it says "use < > instead of <>"
[10:19:57] <exobuzz>	for example
[10:20:31] <RoanKattouw>	I know, there have been a lot of double-escaping issues with action=help in the past
[10:20:44] <RoanKattouw>	The solution would probably be to use &amp;gt;
[10:20:58] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38619 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak message: Deletions aren't logged in the upload log. See the deletion log.
[10:21:01] <exobuzz>	sorry i didnt mean your mediawiki api, i mean in the svn documenation interface
[10:21:12] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[10:21:20] <exobuzz>	my bad
[10:21:22] <RoanKattouw>	That's Doxygen's fault, not ours
[10:21:45] <RoanKattouw>	Our docs are auto-generated from source code comments daily by a third-party app called Doxygen
[10:21:45] <exobuzz>	i guess i can file a bug with Doxygen then.. 
[10:21:56] <RoanKattouw>	Guess so
[10:22:19] <exobuzz>	we are running an old version though
[10:22:22] <exobuzz>	so it might well be fixed
[10:22:30] <exobuzz>	mediawiki is using 1.5.1 and 1.5.6 is out
[10:22:44] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[10:23:07] <RoanKattouw>	You probably need to talk to Brion or Tim about that
[10:23:22] <exobuzz>	k thanks.
[10:24:47] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: am i right btw with that buildform method, that I need to create the <form></form> parts myself manually ?
[10:24:56] <exobuzz>	or perhaps there is another call for that even.
[10:25:25] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Yes. It only does <table> and its children
[10:25:37] <CIA-55>	03rotem * r38620 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update and fixes for he.
[10:25:41] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Just use Xml::openElement('form', array('action' => 'whatever'));
[10:25:50] <RoanKattouw>	And Xml::closeElement('form');
[10:25:51] <exobuzz>	i see.
[10:25:59] <exobuzz>	got it. cheers
[10:26:27] <RoanKattouw>	Says so right in the docs BTW: Generate a form (without the opening form element). 
[10:27:20] <exobuzz>	yeh. i read that, but wondered if it meant i had to make them manually, or like you show with another call.. i guess everything shoiuld be able to be made with this xml builder
[10:28:18] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	Warning: domdocument::domdocument() expects at least 1 parameter, 0 given in D:\xampp\htdocs\jowikilatest\components\com_joomlawiki\includes\parser\Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 574
[10:28:20] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method domdocument::loadXML() in D:\xampp\htdocs\jowikilatest\components\com_joomlawiki\includes\parser\Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 581
[10:28:29] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	that is why I like to use only stable software
[10:28:39] <RoanKattouw>	?
[10:28:52] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	no Idea - the installation went well
[10:29:01] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	I copied localsettings to the right directory
[10:29:04] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	followed the link
[10:29:07] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	and got this message
[10:29:09] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	nice
[10:34:33] <RoanKattouw>	Daniel_Dimitrov: Do you have PHP's domdocument extension installed?
[10:35:00] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	good question
[10:36:50] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	extension=php_domxml.dll is enabled
[10:37:20] <RoanKattouw>	Which version did you install?
[10:37:30] <RoanKattouw>	MW I mean
[10:38:31] <sentinel100101>	how can i open a external page inside mediawiki.. is it possible using secure html?
[10:39:41] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: i have another question sorry. i want to reference the special page from the openElement action=> and i saw in another script they do $this->EscapeLocalURL where $this is the extended SpecialPage class. however it doesnt seem to be a function from that class (at least not anymore) - know what i should use ?
[10:40:07] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: What you should do is this:
[10:40:11] <RoanKattouw>	global $wgScript;
[10:40:30] <RoanKattouw>	Xml::openElement('form', array('action' => $wgScript, 'method' => 'POST'));
[10:40:41] <RoanKattouw>	Xml::hidden('title', $this->getTitle()->getPrefixedDBkey());
[10:41:00] <CIA-55>	03raymond * r38621 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Allow PLURAL for 'listgrouprights-addgroup' and 'listgrouprights-removegroup'
[10:41:10] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: thanks :-) you know everything!
[10:41:35] <RoanKattouw>	I wrote quite a few special page extensions using Xml::
[10:41:47] <RoanKattouw>	Didn't know about buildForm() though, but it looks like it's extremely useful
[10:43:32] <exobuzz>	wgScript references the index.php. will that forward to my special page ?
[10:43:46] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Yes, because of the hidden title=Special:Foo element
[10:43:50] <exobuzz>	got it
[10:43:52] <exobuzz>	:)
[10:44:24] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	RoanKattouw: searching in google find out that I should deactivate the extension=php_domxml.dll for php5. As usual - don't blame the software, blame the user :)
[10:44:32] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	now it is runing
[10:45:08] <RoanKattouw>	Good
[10:48:50] <sentinel100101>	how can i open a external page inside mediawiki.. is it possible using secure html?
[10:49:12] <RoanKattouw>	sentinel100101: I don't know. SecureHTML's documentation is at:
[10:49:14] <RoanKattouw>	!e SecureHTML
[10:49:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML
[10:49:32] <RoanKattouw>	If that doesn't tell you, I wouldn't know (I'm not a SecureHTML expert)
[10:51:27] <sentinel100101>	ok thanks!
[11:04:00] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: and on my special page, if i want to display a load of data in a table, best to use wiki markup I guess?
[11:04:14] <RoanKattouw>	Not necessarily
[11:04:44] <RoanKattouw>	If your data comes from the database, you might be interested in the IndexPager class and its friends
[11:04:47] <RoanKattouw>	!class IndexPager
[11:04:47] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classIndexPager.html
[11:04:54] <exobuzz>	it comes from "another" database
[11:05:01] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[11:05:14] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, you can just loop over your data and output Xml:: stuff
[11:05:23] <Guest80378>	Hello, I have extracted all the files into my server and I am having this issue when I ususe the web-based installer http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll269/Norfolkadam/argh.jpg
[11:05:39] <exobuzz>	yeh. i was just thinking it might be simpler to use wiki markup. just that already my form with Xml:: looks complex
[11:06:01] <RoanKattouw>	Adam: You forgot to upload languages/Language.php
[11:06:08] <RoanKattouw>	Guest60404: What I just said
[11:06:14] <Guest60404>	thanks I was having some issues with it
[11:06:21] <RoanKattouw>	You may even have forgotten to upload the language directory as a whole
[11:06:30] <Guest60404>	I did but it cut out half way through
[11:06:37] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: another thing i want to do, is manage the css for this special page from the wiki like common.css etc. so i guess i just need to use an addHeader type call and reference it as raw ?
[11:06:40] <Guest60404>	I must have missed out one or two files
[11:06:44] <Guest60404>	thanks
[11:06:57] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: No, there's a $wgOut->something(); function for that, see OutputPage's docs
[11:07:11] <exobuzz>	will do.. thanks
[11:09:52] <exobuzz>	$wgOut->addStyle seems to add the mediawiki/skins folder as a default
[11:10:08] <exobuzz>	so i cant reference a wiki page as a css..
[11:10:09] <RoanKattouw>	I have no idea
[11:10:12] <exobuzz>	k
[11:14:13] <Splarka>	sure ya can
[11:14:19] <Splarka>	action=raw&ctype=text/css
[11:14:28] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: ok i got it. i can use "addlink"
[11:14:30] <Splarka>	in a <style src="">  ^_^
[11:15:02] <exobuzz>	Splarka: yup, but i wanted to use the addstyle output page function, but i can use the addlink to build it
[11:15:19] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:15:37] <Splarka>	you could also use @import instead of src in a pinch
[11:16:06] <Splarka>	spaghetti specs ^_^
[11:16:17] <exobuzz>	:)
[11:18:50] <exobuzz>	i probably shouldnt hardcode $wgScript . "?title=whatever&action=raw" though but i dont know any better.
[11:21:39] <Splarka>	hmm, what does geshi do...
[11:22:11] <exobuzz>	so im doing like :    $wgOut->addLink( array( 'rel' => 'stylesheet', 'type' => 'text/css', 'href' => $wgScript.'?title=modland.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css' ) );
[11:22:28] <exobuzz>	or so
[11:26:17] <Splarka>	ew ew ew 
[11:27:07] <Splarka>	exobuzz: http://p.defau.lt/?1GGhGamx2WPp_GssbipSNw
[11:27:17] <Splarka>	is what Geshi does to insert a call to Mw:Geshi.css
[11:28:54] <exobuzz>	which is even worse than my code ;-)
[11:28:57] <exobuzz>	well. its comparable
[11:29:14] <exobuzz>	but they use that maketitle call which i should probably do
[11:31:32] *Splarka 	nods
[11:32:25] <exobuzz>	i like the new "fieldset" look on mediawiki (the grouping around elements on special pages). looks really nice. first time i ever came across the "fieldset" too. never used it before in html
[11:35:48] <Splarka>	mediawiki has forced me to learn all sorts of weird tags that no sane person needs
[11:39:20] <exobuzz>	:) heh
[11:42:06] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[11:44:36] <Werdna>	exobuzz: it isn't very new
[11:46:24] <exobuzz>	i know, but i just never used it before
[11:46:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lag for secondary tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15046 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[11:46:34] <exobuzz>	or noticed it
[11:46:35] <exobuzz>	:)
[11:47:38] <exobuzz>	in my special page, i have lots of my own functions. should they sit inside of the extended specialPage class, or outside (and I pass objects needed to them) ?
[11:47:56] <Werdna>	exobuzz: are they used elsewhere?
[11:48:07] <exobuzz>	no. specific to this page
[11:48:33] <Werdna>	then keep them in the special page class
[11:48:39] <exobuzz>	k
[11:48:41] <exobuzz>	thanks
[11:49:36] <bluehero>	hi
[11:50:06] <bluehero>	does anybody know how the result of a fulltext searach is ordered? is it relevance?
[11:59:38] <sentinel100101>	how do i protect view source for some protected pages?
[11:59:57] <Werdna>	by hacking the code
[12:00:10] <Splarka>	!cms
[12:00:10] --mwbot--	Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[12:00:42] <Splarka>	you can't, unless you also protect action=raw, action=render, histories, transclusions, exports, dumps, search summaries, and a dozen other access vectors
[12:09:35] <sentinel100101>	hmm.. nah my wiki is free open source and doesnt quite require any cms! its just 2 3 pages tht i donot want the user to view the source tht all
[12:09:52] <Werdna>	sentinel100101: then why are you using MediaWiki?
[12:09:56] <sentinel100101>	are there ny extension by which i could restrict viewin source of select apges
[12:11:12] <Jelte>	!access | sentinel100101 
[12:11:12] --mwbot--	sentinel100101: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[12:11:19] <sentinel100101>	does restricting viewing of source of 2 page out of 100 disqualify me as a open source user or rather do i spoil the ethics of mediawiki.. no IMHO
[12:11:55] <Werdna>	sentinel100101: it's not a mater of open-source ethics.
[12:12:20] <Werdna>	sentinel100101: It's just that there are 10001 ways that a user can view the source of the page, and MediaWiki is not designed for that kind of thing.
[12:12:35] <sentinel100101>	^_^ jst confused ops i misunderstood...
[12:12:41] <sentinel100101>	my apologies
[12:13:10] <Werdna>	So, you can hack the code, but we can't support it if you do, because MW code is not built from the ground to honour such restrictions
[12:13:29] <Werdna>	In particular, if a wiki page can be viewed, its source can be.
[12:13:35] <Werdna>	Why do you want to hide source of pages?
[12:13:38] <sentinel100101>	ohh well its restrict a normal user from knowing it .. its not that it something confidential or something.. jst for the sake of it
[12:14:04] <Werdna>	in MW, more trouble than it is worth
[12:14:24] <sentinel100101>	okies ur d boss.. thanks respects!
[12:14:28] <Werdna>	as splarka said, there are at least 6 or 7 ways to get page sauce
[12:15:50] <sentinel100101>	oh.. well okay actually it aint worth it anyways! jst for the fun sake was wondering whether i could do it
[12:17:15] <alnokta>	sauce :)
[12:17:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lag for secondary tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15046  (10pbirken)
[12:23:45] <anderssl>	I have a problem with line breaks being stripped from within the text of a named parameter
[12:23:53] <anderssl>	Anyone know how to fix this?
[12:24:40] <anderssl>	I.e. I have parameters with line breaks within the text (poems etc) - and when the text is expanded, it comes out without the line breaks.
[12:25:14] <anderssl>	I'm using mediawiki 1.11.1
[12:26:18] <anderssl>	...and the extension Custom_article_editing_form_with_fields by BarryIb
[12:27:06] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: When I use GROUP BY, how can I influence which row makes it to the result? When I do SELECT * FROM user_groups GROUP BY ug_user; I get the rows with the lowest ug_group, with GROUP BY ug_user DESC; I get the rows with the highest ug_group. I can't reproduce this behavior in a more complex query, though, and I want to. How do I do that?
[12:28:15] <RoanKattouw>	anderssl: Try using <br /> instead of a line break, or use a double line break to force a paragraph break
[12:30:29] <VasilievVV>	RoanKattouw: try to use MAX() and MIN()?
[12:30:55] <RoanKattouw>	VasilievVV: Did that. However, you can't use MAX and MIN in the WHERE clause, only in HAVING, in which case it's too late
[12:31:00] <anderssl>	Ok thanks, I've been using the <br /> tag but have a lot of users with low-tech skills... And the double line break doesn't work, all line breaks disappear
[12:31:33] <RoanKattouw>	anderssl: You could also create Template:Break with <br /> in it and let people use {{break}} instead, probably easier to remember
[12:31:51] <VasilievVV>	RoanKattouw: SELECT a, b, max(b) AS c FROM t WHERE c > x?
[12:35:06] <RoanKattouw>	VasilievVV: You can't use MAX() in a WHERE clause, not even in that disguised form I believe
[12:44:48] <sentinel100101>	sorry to bother u guyz again.,, whic is better breadcrumbs extension or Page trail extension
[12:54:18] <sentinel100101>	# Optional Variables (both default to true)
[12:54:18] <sentinel100101>	$wgGoogleAnalyticsIgnoreSysops = false;
[12:54:34] <sentinel100101>	shouldnt this be set to true to prevent pollution of statistics?
[12:54:46] <RoanKattouw>	sentinel100101: That's up to you.
[12:55:52] <sentinel100101>	well frankly i wouldnt like to see the statistics being afftecd by bot and sysops
[12:55:58] <sentinel100101>	so i shd set it to true rite?
[12:56:26] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[13:09:13] <Linuxbeak>	Hello, I've got a question for anyone who might know. I want to get NIS working with our implementation of MediaWiki but I haven't seen anything that tells me that it can be done besides some chat on Wikimedia's developer mailing lists
[13:09:27] <RoanKattouw>	Err what's NIS?
[13:09:28] *RoanKattouw 	hides
[13:09:45] <Linuxbeak>	Network Information Service
[13:09:55] <RoanKattouw>	OK and what is that?
[13:10:00] <Linuxbeak>	Sort of like LDAP in the broadest sense of the word
[13:10:11] <Zathraz>	hi. Where can I find/edit $wgAllowExternalImages please?
[13:10:39] <Linuxbeak>	It's also sometimes called YP
[13:10:45] <RoanKattouw>	!defaultsettings | Zathraz 
[13:10:45] --mwbot--	Zathraz: For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>.
[13:10:50] <RoanKattouw>	Oops
[13:10:54] <RoanKattouw>	!localsettings | Zathraz 
[13:10:54] --mwbot--	Zathraz: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[13:11:30] <RoanKattouw>	Linuxbeak: And you want to integrate them so that people with an NIS account can log into the wiki?
[13:11:37] <Linuxbeak>	Correct
[13:11:40] <RoanKattouw>	I've seen LDAP-based AuthPlugins
[13:11:43] <RoanKattouw>	!authplugin
[13:11:43] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[13:11:55] <Linuxbeak>	Yeah, I know LDAP plugins exist
[13:12:00] <Linuxbeak>	but we use NIS :-)
[13:12:57] <RoanKattouw>	There seems to be no NIS AuthPlugin right now
[13:13:04] <RoanKattouw>	If you want to write one, I suggest you look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[13:13:12] <RoanKattouw>	You said LDAP and NIS were similar
[13:13:15] <Zathraz>	I could not find that setting in LocalSettings.php
[13:13:23] <Zathraz>	hence the question
[13:13:43] *Linuxbeak 	hmms
[13:13:44] <RoanKattouw>	Zathraz: Its default is in includes/DefaultSettings.php. Do *NOT* modify that file, but copy the setting over to LocalSettings.php and change it there
[13:13:47] <Zathraz>	must admit that it is an ancient version of mediawiki (not my choice): 1.5.0
[13:14:06] <RoanKattouw>	Holy crap, how old is that? 2005? Anyway, that shouldn't matter
[13:14:36] <Zathraz>	could it be that that var is not defined by default?
[13:14:50] <Linuxbeak>	alright, second question!
[13:14:51] <RoanKattouw>	No, it's always defined by default in DefaultSettings.php
[13:15:05] <Linuxbeak>	We have kwiki set up now. We want to migrate everything from kwiki to MediaWiki
[13:15:27] <Linuxbeak>	Is there an easy way to do it or do I need to investigate writing my own script?
[13:15:35] <RoanKattouw>	Zathraz: Just add $wgWhateverItIs = true; to LocalSettings.php near the bottom and you should be fine. Make sure you get the spelling and the capitals right, though
[13:16:06] <RoanKattouw>	Linuxbeak: I don't know about *any* wiki migration scripts. You could Google, and if that doesn't turn up anything, write your own
[13:16:34] <RoanKattouw>	Note that kwiki and mediawiki are not necessarily compatible: kwiki may have features MW doesn't have and viceverse
[13:21:09] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Lag for secondary tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15046  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:49:23] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: is there a helper function for links/querystrings ? in my extension i have a link say "test" which when clicked will go to MySpecialPage?params=test
[13:49:32] <sentinel100101>	what does page trail extension do also wad does breadcrumbs do.. which is better?
[13:49:53] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: Yes. $title->getFullURL() lets you add a $query parameter
[13:50:15] <RoanKattouw>	Don't remember if that's in array format or in 'foo=bar&a=b' format, but you can convert with wfArrayToCGI()
[13:50:21] <RoanKattouw>	!class Title
[13:50:21] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classTitle.html
[13:50:50] <RoanKattouw>	Oh never mind wfArrayToCGI(), you can specify an array
[13:52:15] <exobuzz>	aaah nice
[13:52:22] <exobuzz>	thanks again.. i surely owe you a pint now
[13:52:23] <exobuzz>	:)
[13:56:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please change title page after flagging is complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15043  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:56:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Changing Page configuration should trigger an entry in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14993  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:58:58] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: hmm doesnt seem to like me passing an array to GetFullURL so ill convert
[13:59:14] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: What's the array you're passing?
[13:59:33] <RoanKattouw>	Should be something like array('title' => 'foo', 'bar' => 'baz')
[13:59:51] <exobuzz>	    $qs = array('browse' => 'module','letter' => '0-9'); tnen later getFullURL($qs)
[14:00:04] <RoanKattouw>	Should work
[14:00:06] <RoanKattouw>	What happens instead?
[14:00:24] <exobuzz>	i get link&Array
[14:00:30] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[14:00:40] <RoanKattouw>	Then you need to wrap the array in a wfArrayToCGI() call
[14:00:46] <exobuzz>	will do :-)
[14:01:16] <exobuzz>	that works nicely.
[14:02:39] <sentinel100101>	has anyone used breadcrumb2 extension?
[14:07:22] <sentinel100101>	does it automatically add the subtitle for each page?
[14:07:48] <sentinel100101>	or do i have to specify manually for each page in Mediawiki:Breadcrumbs?
[14:08:41] <Arla>	Is there a way to link Image A to Page B?
[14:11:42] <sentinel100101>	or do i have to specify manually for each page in Mediawiki:Breadcrumbs?
[14:14:22] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw_away: one things i noticed btw that doesnt seem to be that great, is that buildform call doesnt make the descriptions proper labels for the corresponding field
[14:14:33] <RoanKattouw_away>	Oh
[14:14:34] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw_away: so maybe you won't want to use it after all 
[14:14:42] <RoanKattouw_away>	No in that case I won't use it
[14:15:11] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw_away: unless ive done something wrong.. it does make it a label.. but doesnt assign it to the field
[14:15:12] <exobuzz>	?
[14:15:19] <exobuzz>	ill need to look at the code to see i guess
[14:16:11] <RoanKattouw_away>	I don't think it does, since you didn't specify an iD
[14:16:12] <RoanKattouw_away>	ID
[14:18:22] <exobuzz>	well.. with an input form you can only specify an id by using the additional attributes array. but it doesnt pick it up from there
[14:18:33] <exobuzz>	input field i mean
[14:18:59] <RoanKattouw_away>	The proper way would be to use Xml::inputLabel() or to craft the label and the input yourself
[14:20:08] <exobuzz>	you cant mix inputlabel with that buildform call though, or you get the label on the right side of the table in addition to the first table description
[14:21:27] <sentinel100101>	is it possible to hide patrol edits by default?
[14:22:02] <sentinel100101>	i mean edits that have been patrolled be hidden rather than clickin on hide patrol edits
[14:26:28] <Daniel_Dimitrov>	what for is the profilerStub.php and what is setproctitle function? I can not find such a php function, what does it do?
[14:37:20] *^demon 	kicks CIA-55
[14:37:20] <CIA-55>	ow
[14:42:02] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw_away: do you know if i can add to the SpecialPage constructor/destructor (overloading or something ?) 
[14:43:44] <RoanKattouw_away>	exobuzz: In a way, yes. You can subclass SpecialPage, then declare your own function __construct() which overrides SpecialPage's. When you're done, call parent::__construct('nameofyourspecialpage', 'rightneededtouseyourspecialpage');
[14:44:01] <exobuzz>	aah ok. that's what i want. thanks
[14:44:36] <^demon>	RoanKattouw_away: I removed the badaccess-group1 and badaccess-group2 messages from ApiBase. They've been removed elsewhere (badaccess-group0 and badaccess-groups are the only two badaccess-X messages now)
[14:45:03] <exobuzz>	on the wiki it says
[14:45:04] <exobuzz>	SpecialPage.php
[14:45:05] <exobuzz>	[edit]Constructor
[14:45:05] <exobuzz>	You can overload the constructor to initialize your own data, but the main reason you would want to do it is to change the behavior of the SpecialPage class itself. When you call the base class constructor from your child class, the following parameters are available:
[14:45:24] <exobuzz>	i geuss that is what you said, but i read it wrong
[14:53:41] <Arla>	In what IRC channel can I ask questions about markup?
[15:12:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Global bots aren't appeared on Special:ListUsers/bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15047 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (kwj2772)
[15:12:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global bots aren't appeared on Special:ListUsers/bot - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15047  (10kwj2772)
[15:20:34] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw_away, GROUP BY is not meant to be used with any rows that are not functions of the rows you're grouping by.  Behavior if you do that is undefined.  If you want the highest group, do SELECT ug_user, MAX(ug_group) FROM user_groups GROUP BY ug_user.  If you want the lowest, use MIN().  Other aggregate functions like SUM(), COUNT(), etc. can also be used.
[15:21:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global group membership isn't listed on Special:ListUsers/group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15047  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:21:52] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw_away, you normally don't use MAX() or MIN() in WHERE clauses.  They probably don't work (unless they have another meaning).  They're aggregate functions, and act on all the grouped rows corresponding to the current one.  They aren't like max() or min() in most programming languages, that take multiple arguments; in SQL they take only one, and implicitly act over all the values it takes.
[15:22:03] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw_away, there's a section on aggregate functions in the MySQL manual.  Try reading it.
[15:31:15] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Sorry to bother you, didn't realize you were still in bed when I asked you. I've solved the issue using a subquery
[15:31:29] <hippietrail>	does api login log into all mw projects now?
[15:31:39] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Yes, just like normal login
[15:31:57] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: cool!
[15:32:20] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, you can't use subqueries in MediaWiki code.  And you shouldn't use them elsewhere with MySQL, because in MySQL their performance is usually terrible.
[15:32:31] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: It's for an extension
[15:32:32] <Simetrical>	Joins or separate queries are generally preferable.
[15:32:41] <Simetrical>	As long as you don't want it to be able to run on Wikimedia, go ahead.
[15:32:46] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: how can i tell programatically the maximum number of titles i can pass to a query?
[15:32:53] <Simetrical>	It would still probably be more efficient to rewrite as a join or separate queries.
[15:32:56] <RoanKattouw>	And terrible performance is expected anyway; the query is only supposed to be run once a month at like 3 aM
[15:32:57] <Simetrical>	What did you end up with?
[15:33:05] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: I'll put it in the pastebin
[15:33:18] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: By asking meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights whether you have the apihighlimits right
[15:34:05] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: http://rafb.net/p/K8RID920.html
[15:34:12] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: does the titles limit vary only by apihighlimits or also by fast vs slow queries?
[15:34:43] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Only apihighlimits. Everyone keeps talking about the titles= limit but it's really a blanket limit on all multivalue parameters
[15:35:32] <alnokta>	is 6464 still eligible ?
[15:35:41] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: also is there no possibility that these limit values will ever change or be site configurable? if i hardcode 50/500 as the limits is that going to be future compatible?
[15:35:46] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: I tried GROUP BY r2.rev_page first but that gave me the row with the *lowest* r2.rev_timestamp, whereas I wanted the row with the *highest* r2.rev_timestamp (but stil < 20080701000000)
[15:36:16] <RoanKattouw>	GROUP BY r2.rev_page DESC didn't solve that
[15:36:51] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: They're currently hardcoded in the API code
[15:37:24] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, yeah, okay, I'm not going to bother trying to improve that.  :)
[15:38:10] <jf_n>	hi, I would like to know if there is a way to make certain articles/sections of a wiki only readable by certain users
[15:38:30] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: i suppose i would like to be able to query them but i'll hard code them now. by the way, the docs i have been able to find are quite confusing about titles limits vs list limits
[15:38:36] <jf_n>	oh, and if that possibility exists: how to configure it
[15:39:20] <^demon>	hippetrail: They're constants in ApiBase.
[15:40:17] <Simetrical>	!prevacc | jf_n 
[15:40:17] --mwbot--	jf_n: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[15:40:32] <jf_n>	thanks mwbot
[15:40:36] <jf_n>	err
[15:40:39] <jf_n>	Simetrical: 
[15:40:47] <^demon>	hippetrail: ApiBase::LIMIT_BIG1, BIG2, SML1, SML2
[15:41:41] <hippietrail>	^demon: yes i'm just thinking about future compatibility in case the code changes, the limits become site configurable etc
[15:41:46] <MChrist>	hello got question about mediawiki
[15:42:12] <MChrist>	Could not find a suitable database driver!
[15:42:13] <MChrist>	    * For MySQL, compile PHP using --with-mysql, or install the mysql.so module
[15:42:13] <MChrist>	    * For PostgreSQL, compile PHP using --with-pgsql, or install the pgsql.so module
[15:42:23] <MChrist>	what shall I do?
[15:42:32] <hippietrail>	^demon: plus i couldn't tell from apibase if the values i wanted would always be 50/500 or sometimes also 500/5000
[15:43:28] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Having a way of knowing "What is the limit for the current user for the current query" would be nice :-)
[15:43:45] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: I'll file a bug for that
[15:44:14] <hippietrail>	or at least having it well documented so that other confused programmers dont get it wrong or also have to come chase you guys down here (-:
[15:44:28] <hippietrail>	thanks guys - very helpful
[15:44:41] <Jelte>	MChrist: What kind of server (operating system) are you using?
[15:45:09] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: related it seems that if you send more titles than the limit that there is no feedback of your error
[15:45:53] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: That's right, they're silently thrown away. We probably want to have a warning for that as well
[15:46:01] <hippietrail>	say a login failed or a session expired and you kept sending queries thinking your titles limit was 500 but it actually reverted to 50
[15:46:29] <RoanKattouw>	Well you'll notice that 450 of your titles are mysteriously unprocessed.
[15:46:42] <RoanKattouw>	Which *never* happens, not even for nonexistent or invalid titles
[15:47:12] <hippietrail>	i was also confused in the docs i could find because there are feedback mechanisms for other kinds of limits
[15:47:29] <exobuzz>	what mediawiki functions are available for processing of input data? does it have things for checking page input is in a number range etc
[15:47:30] <exobuzz>	?
[15:47:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Limit for multivalue parameters should be queryable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15048 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (roan.kattouw)
[15:47:49] <hippietrail>	yes i noticed but my code didn't (-:
[15:47:58] <RoanKattouw>	!class WebRequest | exobuzz
[15:47:58] --mwbot--	exobuzz: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classWebRequest.html
[15:48:07] <exobuzz>	cheers roan.
[15:50:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Limit for multivalue parameters should be queryable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15048  (10hippytrail)
[15:50:23] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: What about optionally returning API-specific siteinfo on meta=siteinfo?
[16:02:37] <emijrp>	hey guys, clones attack!
[16:02:44] <emijrp>	a
[16:03:05] <emijrp>	b
[16:03:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Patch for UsernameBlacklist to support multiple blacklist sources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15010  +comment (10francine)
[16:05:20] <exobuzz>	big split..
[16:09:35] <RoanKattouw>	^demon|lunch: What do you mean by API-specific siteinfo?
[16:12:30] <exobuzz>	roan: which class should i use to report errors to the user from my special page. I want to report a fatal error and stop processing og my specialpage for example. There are a few different error replated things in the mw api, like mwexception, and ErrorPageError
[16:13:48] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: OutputPage has some methods for those
[16:13:59] <exobuzz>	k. ill check output page thanks.
[16:14:04] <RoanKattouw>	There's a special thing for checking permissions
[16:14:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) give API an id type parameter for parallel operations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15044  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:14:42] <guyvdb>	how do I check which files are changed between my branch and trunk? i'm an svn n00b
[16:15:03] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: If you specified a permission in the parent::__construct() call, you can do if(!$this->userCanExecute($wgUser)) { $this->displayRestrictionError(); return; }
[16:15:28] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Global group membership isn't listed on Special:ListUsers/group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15047  +comment (10pathoschild)
[16:15:35] <exobuzz>	RoanKattouw: and for fatal errors like database/sql errors (not this is not related to the mediawiki database but a separate thing)
[16:15:40] <exobuzz>	?
[16:15:48] <RoanKattouw>	guyvdb: The simplest way is to just svn update both and copy your branch on top of trunk, then view the difference (svn diff or click Commit in TortoiseSVN)
[16:16:25] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: I don't know. There's  a generic OutputPage method for outputting errors, but I don't recall its name
[16:16:55] <exobuzz>	yeh i found that. i guess ill use that one.
[16:17:01] <RoanKattouw>	exobuzz: showErrorPage() and showPermissionsErrorPage()
[16:17:23] <RoanKattouw>	Where the hell is CIA?
[16:18:16] <alnokta>	tired ?
[16:18:24] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe
[16:18:38] <RoanKattouw>	I guess it doesn't reconnect automatically
[16:18:40] <Jelte>	RoanKattouw: cia.vc is also down
[16:18:56] <RoanKattouw>	So I poked BearPerson and said the netsplit probably killed the CIAs
[16:19:10] <RoanKattouw>	Jelte: Oh, in that case it's more likely to be a problem on their side
[16:28:09] <Nikerabbit>	^demon|lunch: baa
[16:29:19] <Nikerabbit>	"has been banned from creation."
[16:29:22] <Nikerabbit>	ugh, slang
[16:31:34] <BusyNeko>	"has been banned from creation." <- Adam, or Eve ? :)
[16:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Limit for multivalue parameters should be queryable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15048  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:35:11] <CaptainMorgan>	howdy everyone. can someone please point me to where I solve an issue with the imagemap feature? the links are clickable in firefox 2 and IE7 but when attempted in firefox 3, the links do not work... any ideas ?
[16:40:01] <siebrand>	^demon|lunch: I think you did r38633 in an ugly way. Might just as well have left it for me. Should have been taken care of using "rebuildLanguage -all".
[16:40:18] <siebrand>	^demon|lunch: rebuildLanguage.php -lang=all, even.
[16:53:00] <CaptainMorgan>	can anyone assist ?
[16:55:42] <brion>	gooooooood morning #mediawiki
[16:56:01] <Jack_Phoenix>	heya brion :-)
[16:57:28] <luks>	hi, does somebody know what I have to do to make <references/> and <ref></ref> work?
[16:57:41] <CaptainMorgan>	howdy everyone. can someone please point me to where I solve an issue with the imagemap feature? the links are clickable in firefox 2 and IE7 but when attempted in firefox 3, the links do not work... any ideas ?
[16:58:00] <Jack_Phoenix>	luks: download the Cite extension and install it <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite>
[16:58:07] <AaronSchulz>	hey all
[16:58:15] <brion>	AaronSchulz: heyyyyyy
[16:58:15] <luks>	Jack_Phoenix: thanks
[16:58:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[16:58:45] <brion>	did we get those updated flaggedrevs configs saved somewhere? i lost my open firefox tabs :(
[16:59:07] <AaronSchulz>	put the wikinews ones on the bug
[16:59:16] <Simetrical>	brion, regarding the BrokenLink hook: it was only added in 1.13.  Should it be removed before it's released?
[16:59:26] <brion>	Simetrical: hmm, maybe :D
[16:59:28] <AaronSchulz>	brion: you really need to prune the .de ones though ;)
[16:59:46] <Simetrical>	Then SemanticForms won't have this bit for 1.13, unless the whole link() thing is backported, which seems like a Bad Idea.
[16:59:51] *AaronSchulz 	needs to backport flaggedrevs soon
[16:59:55] <brion>	:D
[17:00:09] <Simetrical>	They could tell people to hack it in, I guess.
[17:00:16] <brion>	Simetrical: or you could make a saner hook that works for both :D
[17:00:16] <AaronSchulz>	brion: can you make me the def. assignee for renamuser and checkuser?
[17:00:20] <brion>	really all its doing is changing the url
[17:00:23] <brion>	so it just needs the one param ;)
[17:00:34] <brion>	AaronSchulz: sure sec
[17:00:35] <CaptainMorgan>	maybe my issue is firefox specific and not wiki...
[17:00:42] <Simetrical>	Also, brion, you know that the addition of that hook spawned like a 20-message thread on wikitech-l.  If it was so horrible you could have commented.  ;)
[17:01:09] <Simetrical>	I could backport the LinkBegin and LinkEnd hooks I just wrote up, that would work.
[17:01:24] <brion>	AaronSchulz: set
[17:01:34] <brion>	Simetrical: man i have no memory of it :D
[17:01:54] <AaronSchulz>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15014
[17:02:04] <AaronSchulz>	brion: ok, that's the request
[17:02:36] *brion 	checks w/ the folks in #wikinews
[17:03:21] <CaptainMorgan>	is it possible I need a patch of some sort?
[17:05:05] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://rafb.net/p/mixevE63.html <-- pruned .de conf
[17:05:15] <brion>	tx
[17:05:31] <brion>	ok i added the tables on enwikinews yesterday, so let's try turning the config on
[17:05:48] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: Are you creating a name and an id for that map?
[17:06:27] <Simetrical>	Why does Bugzilla suck so much?
[17:06:50] <AaronSchulz>	it's ok
[17:07:01] <brion>	it could suck worse
[17:07:06] <brion>	it could be sourceforge's bug tracker
[17:07:09] <brion>	remember those days?
[17:07:31] <LeonWP>	:D
[17:07:35] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, nope... just coordinates for the linkage
[17:07:36] <Simetrical>	No, I wasn't here.
[17:07:38] <Simetrical>	Thankfully.
[17:07:40] <Simetrical>	I do kind of like Launchpad.
[17:07:55] <Simetrical>	Hmm, CIA is MIA again?
[17:08:13] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: Do you have a live example I could see?
[17:08:42] <CaptainMorgan>	I'm trying to setup a public version now... the main version is private intranet
[17:08:44] <will_hough>	We use a custom bug tracker :)
[17:08:46] <CaptainMorgan>	Will
[17:08:46] <Arla>	Is there a way to link Image A to Page B with MediaWiki markup?
[17:08:51] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, 
[17:09:14] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: Can you pastebin your code for the image and the map ?
[17:09:24] <will_hough>	see if I notice anything
[17:11:53] <brion>	hmmm
[17:11:56] <brion>	where's our CIA-bot?
[17:12:07] <brion>	tomaszf's commit went through i see :)
[17:13:25] <Simetrical>	Old makeLink code: 300 lines?  400?  Depends what you count.  New link code: < 200 lines.
[17:13:28] *Simetrical 	pats self on back
[17:14:00] <alnokta>	good for your health simet
[17:14:15] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, it's pretty basic now: http://www.pastebin.us/?show=m2d453ad7
[17:14:20] <alnokta>	brion got my email on numeral transform?
[17:15:31] <brion>	alnokta: got it, but it doesn't seem very obvious that it should be disabled for every language :)
[17:15:59] <alnokta>	i said for ar at least :)
[17:16:23] <Brueggus>	good evening :D
[17:16:24] <^demon|lunch>	Is freenode done netsplitting?
[17:16:39] <Simetrical>	^demon|lunch, it's never done netsplitting.
[17:16:41] <Brueggus>	I didn't notice any netsplit
[17:16:54] *Simetrical 	wonders if anyone's written up numeral transform for Hebrew.  If so, that should sure be disabled by default . . .
[17:17:06] <alnokta>	brion i tried  to falsefy the variable in MessagesAr.php but didn't work?
[17:17:06] <Simetrical>	Until we get he-rabbinic support!
[17:17:13] <Nikerabbit>	huh?
[17:17:27] <^demon>	Siebrand: Want me to revert?
[17:17:29] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: there is hebrew numerals in sprintfDate
[17:17:38] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, yes, but not for general formatNum().
[17:17:55] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: if there is it has been long disabled
[17:17:57] <Simetrical>	Hebrew numerals are only used today for a few things like dates, and probably rabbinic texts.  Not general use.
[17:18:16] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: you could have run rebuildmessages too :o
[17:18:29] <Simetrical>	I was just saying, I can sympathize with a language that wants to use ordinary Arabic numerals. . . . although that terminology is confusing in the case of, um, Arabic.
[17:18:35] <brion>	arabic numerals seem to be widely used in some countries (for instance egypt!) but less so in others, from what i hear
[17:18:39] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: I didn't realize you were using wiki markup, thought you were adding it to the style.
[17:18:51] <brion>	so there is some disagreement historically over whether the transform should be enabled by default for arabic
[17:18:59] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, sorry?
[17:19:16] <brion>	afaik in other languages with local numerals it's more likely to be self-consistent as they're more restricted to a region or country
[17:19:17] <will_hough>	is this wiki markup?
[17:19:39] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, yes, it's mediawiki markup... you're confusing me
[17:19:59] <CaptainMorgan>	why would I need to alter styles ?
[17:20:05] <Simetrical>	brion, the use of the term "Arabic numerals" here is unreasonably confusing.
[17:20:30] <alnokta>	some arabic countries prefer hindu-ara and others western-ara 
[17:21:59] <brion>	here by arabic i mean ARABIC :)
[17:22:06] <brion>	the funny-lookin' ones
[17:22:27] <brion>	for some reason us americans say "arabic" to mean "european"
[17:22:50] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, I'm almost done with the demo version... maybe that will make things clearer
[17:23:17] <klml>	sorry i search for hours on mediawiki.org: i want to hide tools for 'users' and not-hide for 'admins'
[17:23:22] <klml>	thanx
[17:25:14] <Simetrical>	brion, the Europeans got their numerals from the Arabs.
[17:25:20] <Simetrical>	Who got them from the Indians, apparently.
[17:25:30] <Simetrical>	Probably before then we used Roman numerals or something.
[17:25:48] <alnokta>	brion i mean those ??.??.??.??.??.??.??.??.??.?? ... whats the problem now in making them optional? not default for arabic interface
[17:27:18] <brion>	alnokta: for arabic specifically? offhand i'm not sure if there's a suitable switch for it that would make them off by default but still available for that language while still keeping other languages on by default
[17:28:38] <Brueggus>	Does anyone have an idea why links like  http://wiki.myhomepage.net/index.php/MyPage always redirect to the wiki's main page?
[17:28:57] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: See I didn't know this. So I came up with a regex to do it instead. ;-)
[17:29:49] <brion>	ah the bidding's heating up for 2010... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2010/Bids :)
[17:29:52] <Dantman|FS>	brion: How about two different locales? like we have en_rtl which isn't a real locale... some form of arabic with and another without
[17:29:55] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: nothing wrong with it, but rebuildmessages would have gotten rid of the empty lines
[17:30:08] <Dantman|FS>	One dependant on the other
[17:30:09] <^demon>	I couldn't seem to get them in my regex...bah
[17:30:19] <brion>	Dantman|FS: ok here's the background:
[17:30:29] <brion>	there's a user preference to use or not use the local digits
[17:30:38] <brion>	there's also a global configuration option of whether they should be used by default
[17:30:57] <Dantman|FS>	"But it's a general, not just for arabic"
[17:31:03] <Dantman|FS>	right?
[17:31:07] <brion>	right. many indic languages also use this
[17:31:37] <MChrist>	hi does anybody can help me with installation mediawiki ?
[17:32:00] <Dantman|FS>	If you actually think about it, that concept may not even be optimal
[17:32:09] <brion>	hmmmmm, isn't there a user preference? now i'm not seeing it
[17:32:38] <brion>	i could have sworn there was :)
[17:32:44] <Dantman|FS>	A single generic preference having control over piles of vastly different locales
[17:32:45] <brion>	ok maybe it's just a global switch. curious
[17:32:46] <MChrist>	:/
[17:32:50] <brion>	*sigh* :D
[17:32:55] <Dantman|FS>	!ask | MChrist
[17:32:55] --mwbot--	MChrist: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[17:33:01] <^demon>	Whoo globals.
[17:33:42] <Dantman|FS>	You know... if we used some sort of configuration class, instead of a global... Then it would be impossible for register_globals issues to arrise in config... heh ;)
[17:34:07] <MChrist>	got installed Apache, PHP
[17:34:19] <MChrist>	but still cant configurate MediaWiki
[17:34:41] <MChrist>	    * PHP 5.2.6 installed
[17:34:41] <MChrist>	      Could not find a suitable database driver!
[17:34:41] <MChrist>	          o For MySQL, compile PHP using --with-mysql, or install the mysql.so module
[17:34:41] <MChrist>	          o For PostgreSQL, compile PHP using --with-pgsql, or install the pgsql.so module
[17:35:01] <MChrist>	got Winshit :/
[17:35:05] <Dantman|FS>	MChrist: Then you don't have support for a database... you're goign to need that
[17:35:17] <MChrist>	i have installed MySQL
[17:35:23] <alnokta>	brion not to be annoying, but what to do now? 
[17:35:32] *Simetrical 	runs away to update video drivers
[17:35:50] <Dantman|FS>	MChrist: But have you configured PHP with the MySQL client so that it can actually connect to MySQL
[17:35:51] <MChrist>	but mediawiki doesnt recognise it
[17:35:56] <brion>	alnokta: it might be a good idea to survey users of the various languages with a translate numeral option and see what they prefer
[17:36:04] <MChrist>	how can i configure PHP ?
[17:36:30] <brion>	if there's a general preference to keep it off by default, then let's go ahead and turn it off. if there's wide differences between languages, then we might want to consider changing this setting in a way that has different defaults for each language
[17:36:36] <Dantman|FS>	MChrist: That'll depend on how you installed php in the first place
[17:37:09] <Dantman|FS>	brion: Yup... that was one of the things I was thinking of
[17:37:19] <alnokta>	brion sounds like a plan, ok 
[17:37:35] <MChrist>	Dantman|FS, where should i put the line "extension=php_mysql.dll"
[17:37:38] <brion>	\o/
[17:37:44] <MChrist>	in php.ini?
[17:37:47] <Dantman|FS>	MChrist: Inside of php.ini
[17:37:52] <Dantman|FS>	yes
[17:37:59] <MChrist>	but under [SQL] 
[17:38:07] <MChrist>	or [mySQLi]?
[17:38:07] <Dantman|FS>	Under [MySQL]
[17:38:25] <Dantman|FS>	:/ MediaWiki doesn't use MySQLi, it uses the old MySQL
[17:38:36] <yannf>	are the users supposed to access /wiki/opensearch_desc.php ?
[17:39:07] <MChrist>	Dantman|FS, 
[17:39:13] <MChrist>	there was no such line
[17:39:18] <MChrist>	i have PHP5+
[17:39:31] <Dantman|FS>	And? MySQL still exists in PHP5
[17:39:38] <MChrist>	even when I have added it it doesny work
[17:40:05] <Dantman|FS>	Then your PHP isn't compiled with support for the mysql client, and you'll need to recompile it
[17:40:25] <Dantman|FS>	Really you should take this to ##php
[17:40:37] <brion>	yannf: well their browsers are supposed to
[17:41:18] <MChrist>	ok Dantman|FS 
[17:43:01] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: I thought you were modifying the wiki and was adding a plain html map.
[17:43:14] <CaptainMorgan>	....
[17:43:15] <MChrist>	ugh no response
[17:43:16] <MChrist>	:/
[17:43:28] <will_hough>	But I'd be curious on how the map displays.
[17:43:44] <will_hough>	if it's setting an name and an id
[17:44:00] <yannf>	brion, with this url? or this script is used indirectly?
[17:44:24] <brion>	yannf: that's the autodiscovery for the opensearch information.
[17:44:45] <brion>	if the browser sees the <link> in header, then when requested it will fetch the URL to find out what search info the site provides
[17:45:20] <Brueggus>	any workaround to get such links working, even if php is running in fcgi-mode?
[17:45:47] <Brueggus>	I'm talking about these ones: http://wiki.myhomepage.net/index.php/MyPage 
[17:46:45] *alnokta 	wants a list of wikipedias in indian languages
[17:46:55] <bluehero_>	does anybody know a javascript based rich text editor, which will generate media wiki markp syntax
[17:47:27] <alnokta>	dream of many blue 
[17:47:32] <RoanKattouw>	bluehero_: There's FCKeditor
[17:47:51] <RoanKattouw>	brion: How are things on the index issue I asked you about yesterday?
[17:48:19] <Reedy>	bluehero_, wikiEd
[17:48:30] <brion>	RoanKattouw: guess we just have to schedule the update :D
[17:48:36] <brion>	i'll consult with our database oracle^C^C^C^C^guru
[17:48:59] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[17:49:21] <RoanKattouw>	brion: And the other thing I mentioned, the rd_interwiki and rd_fragment schema change, do I have your go on that one?
[17:49:38] <^demon>	brion: Since we're looking at schema updates, would we like to throw redirect updates in too?
[17:49:45] <bluehero_>	thanks for these hint. i already found these two ... is there any further suggestions?
[17:49:51] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: That's what I just asked
[17:50:24] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hey, what happened to the "optional schema changes" banner? ;)
[17:50:40] <^demon>	Bah, I wasn't paying attention. I saw "Schema" and stopped thinking right there ;-)
[17:51:39] <^demon>	Back in a short bit.
[17:51:44] <vinodhrajan>	Hi. I am currently editing an Extension for Mediawiki. The Title of an Article is got by $article->mTitle. However it returns an Object of Type 'Title'. How to convert this in to String ?
[17:51:57] <MChrist>	argh
[17:52:14] <MChrist>	why can i run beta wiki without mysql? ;
[17:52:17] <MChrist>	;]
[17:52:31] <brion>	^demon: it's a possibility
[17:56:43] <brion>	i have to reboot windows 98 after installing webtv for windows
[17:56:45] <QuickGold>	if I wanted to create a clone of a MediaWiki install, all I'd need to do once I have the clone set up is copy the LocalSettings.php from the original install to my cloned install, correct?
[17:57:11] <RoanKattouw>	vinodhrajan: $title->getPrefixedText()
[17:57:33] <RoanKattouw>	brion: So? Am I clear to commit the rd_interwiki/rd_fragment schema change?
[17:59:01] <brion>	RoanKattouw: lemme make sure domas will let us install it
[17:59:30] <Brueggus>	well, thank you anyway
[18:00:19] <vinodhrajan>	RoanKattouw: Thanks
[18:00:22] <vinodhrajan>	:)
[18:01:44] <bluehero_>	reedy: Do you have a weblink to wikiEd ... i coundn't found the correct web site or is there a typo?
[18:02:04] <Reedy>	Yeah, sorry
[18:02:06] <Reedy>	its wikEd
[18:02:06] <Reedy>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikEd
[18:02:14] <QuickGold>	how can I copy the settings from one install of mediawiki (turning on/off things like editing, uploads, etc) to another install of mediawiki?
[18:02:14] <DarkoNeko>	brion, I'm pretty sure you have to reboot after installing anything on most windows, anyway
[18:02:15] <bluehero_>	thank you very much
[18:02:30] <Reedy>	QuickGold, LocalSettings.php ?
[18:02:58] <brion>	it's not as bad since xp ;)
[18:03:00] <CaptainMorgan>	ugh omg.. wtf... I'm getting a "Error: image is invalid or non-existent" error where do I upload pictures? I don't even see an option upload... so all I did was code it and then put the picture in the mediawiki/images folder
[18:03:10] <QuickGold>	Reedy: I did that and want to make sure there isn't something else in another file or the database that settings like that are stored in
[18:03:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:03:56] <DarkoNeko>	well, on XP I usually ignore the message and it still works :)
[18:04:00] <bluehero_>	Reedy: Now it works. ok. However, it is firefox only. The customer has still a IE policy in place :-( Maybe you have a suggestion for Ineternet Explorer?
[18:04:12] <alnokta>	DarkoNeko, they are going to ditch windows for the new thing 
[18:04:15] <Reedy>	bluehero_, remove it? ;)
[18:04:38] <DarkoNeko>	alnokta who, microsoft ?
[18:04:50] <alnokta>	yes 
[18:05:14] <CaptainMorgan>	nothing on this page tells me where to put the pictures... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Imagemap
[18:05:32] <alnokta>	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7543174.stm
[18:05:33] <CaptainMorgan>	pulling out my hair here.. could anyone be kind enough to assist ?
[18:05:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:08:27] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, where do images get uploaded to ? better yet, how ? 
[18:10:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659  (10vasilvv)
[18:10:20] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: /images/8/83/image.jpg
[18:10:26] <will_hough>	numbers vary
[18:11:25] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, k, but where on the wiki am I to upload an image? I see no option to do so... and I have a registered account as well as a root account... plus, i enabled the setting in DefaultSettings to allow uploads, to true
[18:11:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:12:16] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: You need to allow it in LocalSettings.php
[18:12:33] <will_hough>	$wgEnableUploads       = false;
[18:12:37] <will_hough>	change to true
[18:12:57] <Simetrical>	Permissions need to be right as well.
[18:13:06] <Simetrical>	Because MediaWiki doesn't support a database backend for images, somehow.
[18:13:16] <Simetrical>	It's not as though we don't have all the nice abstraction code written . . .
[18:14:53] <will_hough>	also, set your ImageMagick path and config, if you are going to use it.
[18:15:43] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, I changed that to true(which is no in the ImageMap's wiki btw)... after that I still see no changes that would allow me to upload an image... ImageMagick was configured long time ago and is not needed I would think
[18:16:17] <will_hough>	You don't see a link under Toolbox?
[18:16:17] <CaptainMorgan>	Simetrical, permissions to which regard? 
[18:16:22] <Simetrical>	Server permissions.
[18:16:29] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, what does this link look like... 
[18:16:39] <Simetrical>	The images/ directory usually needs to be chmod 777.
[18:16:40] <CaptainMorgan>	Simetrical, can you be more specific ? I'm root
[18:16:44] <CaptainMorgan>	ok
[18:16:45] <will_hough>	Upload file
[18:16:54] <Simetrical>	And its subdirectories, if it has any.
[18:16:59] <Simetrical>	!enableupload
[18:16:59] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "enableupload". You might try: !uploads 
[18:17:02] <Simetrical>	!uploads
[18:17:02] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[18:17:12] <Simetrical>	Supposedly that should be enough, then.
[18:17:44] *Simetrical 	looks to see how easy DB-based file uploads would be
[18:17:51] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, nope, no link
[18:18:14] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, nothing that says: "Upload File"
[18:18:26] <Simetrical>	CaptainMorgan, try going to Special:Upload.
[18:18:29] <will_hough>	Did you read that post ^
[18:18:35] <CaptainMorgan>	which post?
[18:18:41] <will_hough>	mwbot: 
[18:18:48] <will_hough>	!uploads
[18:18:48] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[18:19:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) WebTV users unable to view wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15036  (10brion)
[18:19:05] <CaptainMorgan>	did that
[18:19:07] <vinodhrajan>	The $text gives the Wiki Code. How to get the HTML code of the Page ?
[18:19:07] <Simetrical>	Hmm, our FileRepo interface seems to be too low-level.  Methods like getRootDirectory().
[18:19:29] <Simetrical>	vinodhrajan, $parser->parse( $text ), where $parser is a Parser object.
[18:19:32] <CaptainMorgan>	made images to chomd'd to 777 and enabled to true
[18:19:35] <CaptainMorgan>	in LocalSettings
[18:20:19] <will_hough>	Raed this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads
[18:20:22] <will_hough>	read*
[18:20:23] <CaptainMorgan>	k, that link might prove helpful...
[18:20:55] <vinodhrajan>	Simetrical:How to convert that into String ?
[18:21:04] <brion>	ok let's try this thing
[18:21:42] <Simetrical>	vinodhrajan, I don't understand your question.
[18:23:13] <vinodhrajan>	Simetrical: There is an Extension called wikitowordpress which Published Wiki Pages as Wordpress Blogs. But the Problems is, it published the Wiki Code. So Template appear {{ }} in the Blog. I want to get the Exact HTML Code for posting in the blog.
[18:23:23] <vinodhrajan>	*publishes
[18:23:43] <vinodhrajan>	*appear as
[18:24:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13659  +comment (10brion)
[18:25:06] <Simetrical>	vinodhrajan, you might want to speak to the extension's author.
[18:25:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Requesting FlaggedRevs be enabled on en.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15014  +comment (10brion)
[18:25:56] <vinodhrajan>	I mean is it possible to get the HTML code of an Article as String ?
[18:27:00] <^demon>	Back :-)
[18:29:13] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, Simetrical did everything and rechecked everything on that link.... what the hell is going on?
[18:30:07] <will_hough>	php is allowing you to upload too/
[18:30:33] <CaptainMorgan>	yes
[18:30:41] <CaptainMorgan>	I checked everything on that link
[18:30:47] <CaptainMorgan>	step by step... :(
[18:30:59] <Simetrical>	CaptainMorgan, what error are you getting at Special:Upload?
[18:31:23] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, would you be so kind as to take a screenshot of where this upload link is supposed to be ?
[18:32:04] <CaptainMorgan>	omg!
[18:32:06] <CaptainMorgan>	it works..
[18:32:23] <will_hough>	find it?
[18:32:24] <CaptainMorgan>	there is just no link to Special:Upload... that I can find
[18:32:37] <will_hough>	It's in the toolbox on the left
[18:32:47] <^demon>	brion: Whoo, vagueness :-)
[18:33:24] <Simetrical>	CaptainMorgan, it's in the portlet named "toolbox", lower left, below the search and navigation menus by default.  This is in the MonoBook skin only, in other skins it's elsewhere.
[18:35:24] <CaptainMorgan>	thank you! ok... will_hough now that I've this demo working... it appears that after viewing the image in both firefox 2 and 3, it works! but on the private intranet where the main wiki housed, as I said before, 3 doesn't properly link to the maps...
[18:36:13] <CaptainMorgan>	anything come to mind if I can get it working on both 2 and 3 on a demo... ? and it's not working on the original?
[18:37:17] <will_hough>	what is the source of the page with the map on it?
[18:37:18] <CaptainMorgan>	mind you, everything is the same... at least on the surface... the code for the map, the image, etc... but maybe the probably lies in the specific config files that I had gone through to get my demo working
[18:37:31] <will_hough>	can you pastebin it
[18:37:37] <will_hough>	view source
[18:37:48] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, already did.. do you need that link again?
[18:37:49] <CaptainMorgan>	let me know
[18:37:58] <will_hough>	the source
[18:38:02] <will_hough>	of the page
[18:38:07] <will_hough>	not the wiki markup
[18:38:59] <will_hough>	In Firefox - View -> Page Source
[18:40:06] <CaptainMorgan>	here's what is resolved to: http://www.pastebin.us/?show=m7d7c2387
[18:40:11] <CaptainMorgan>	that's just the map
[18:40:39] <CaptainMorgan>	that's the demo version.. the one that's working correctly... I'll try to pastebin the one that isn't
[18:42:27] <will_hough>	<map name="ImageMap_1">
[18:42:45] <will_hough>	let me test something . .
[18:48:17] <CaptainMorgan>	well this is interesting... works in the demo but not in the production
[18:48:55] <RoanKattouw>	brion: OK. I'm leaving now, please drop me a message through MsgServ once you know
[18:49:24] <brion_>	k
[18:50:01] <Dantman|FS>	Finally... the PHP manual actually has some smart documentation: http://ca.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.references.php
[18:50:16] <Simetrical>	It's kind of patchy, usually.
[18:50:19] <Dantman|FS>	doesn't explain that well though
[18:50:25] <Simetrical>	Sometimes it's pretty good.
[18:51:14] <Barnicle>	can anyone assist me in fixing the favicon in LocalSettings.php?
[18:52:20] <will_hough>	A favicon.ico can be placed in the site root
[18:52:25] <will_hough>	and work
[18:52:44] <Barnicle>	site root being /var/www/mediawiki?
[18:52:49] <Barnicle>	cause thats where my wiki is
[18:53:00] <will_hough>	CaptainMorgan: Yea, the source works fine with FF3
[18:53:10] <will_hough>	not sure what is causing it
[18:54:10] <Barnicle>	i entered this into the LocalSettings.php: $wgFavicon = "$wgScriptPath/var/www/mediawiki/favicon.ico";
[18:54:15] <Barnicle>	and the favicon isn't showing up
[18:54:40] <Dantman|FS>	Of course not
[18:55:07] <Dantman|FS>	$wgFavicon is a web path
[18:55:21] <Dantman|FS>	You're mixing web paths and filesystem paths together
[18:55:29] <Barnicle>	ok, so what should i enter then?
[18:55:43] <Barnicle>	cause i looked on the help pages and it said to add that into your localsettings.php
[18:55:44] <Prodego>	a web address to the image
[18:55:59] <Dantman|FS>	Where's your site?
[18:56:28] <Barnicle>	it's in /var/www/mediawiki
[18:56:42] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, I'm thinking it's got to do with tables... the production server has the map wrapped in a table... I'm going to try and edit my demo to add the table and see what happens
[18:56:42] <Dantman|FS>	I mean the url to your site
[18:56:56] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, thank you for your assistance in this, highly appreciated.
[18:57:27] <will_hough>	no problem
[18:57:35] <MChrist>	Dantman|FS, problem was MSI loadder
[18:57:43] <Barnicle>	it's an internal website for now, but it can be reach at http://venus.pdadmin.com/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[18:58:01] <MChrist>	i did uninstalled PHP and did compiled zip 
[18:58:54] <Dantman|FS>	Mkay... so that means that $wgScriptPath would be '/mediawiki', so $wgFavicon = "$wgScriptPath/favicon.ico";
[18:59:35] <will_hough>	You can't just drop the favicon in to the root?
[18:59:58] <Barnicle>	still isn't working
[19:00:08] <Barnicle>	i have favicon.ico in the /mediawiki folder too
[19:00:22] <will_hough>	Barnicle: what browser are you using?
[19:00:26] <Barnicle>	firefox
[19:00:31] <Barnicle>	should i try it in IE?
[19:00:37] <Barnicle>	maybe it's cached or something
[19:00:38] <will_hough>	clear the cache
[19:00:40] <Barnicle>	k
[19:03:51] <Barnicle>	still no go. let me check the size of the favicon
[19:04:15] <Barnicle>	16x16 so, what could be the problem
[19:04:26] <Barnicle>	i checked it on another pc as well just to make sure the cache wasn't the issue
[19:05:01] <Linuxbeak>	Hello... I'm having a little bit of an issue here. I'm trying to use the plugin found here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HttpAuth and it's just not cooperating
[19:05:43] <Simetrical>	Linuxbeak, for non-"official" extensions, it's best to talk to the author.  People here probably don't know anything about it.
[19:05:57] *Linuxbeak 	nods
[19:06:37] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: on the other hand, telling us how the problem manifests may allow us to give you a simple anser to a simple problem :)
[19:07:09] <Duesentrieb>	intricate stuff usually has to be dealt with by the extension's author (or someone brave and bored)
[19:07:31] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, well, to be specific, I followed the instructions provided (on a working MediaWiki installation) and it's not asking for a username/password when we navigate to the page
[19:08:03] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: does Special:Version say you have the extension active?
[19:08:23] <Duesentrieb>	(note that it may be active even if not shown there, but only if the author was being silly)
[19:08:27] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, good question
[19:09:24] <Barnicle>	How can I check who's in my Sysop group?
[19:09:32] <Duesentrieb>	Barnicle: special:listusers
[19:09:34] <Charitwo>	Special:Listusers/sysop
[19:09:36] <Linuxbeak>	No, it just shows MediaWiki, PHP and MySql
[19:09:44] <Dantman|FS>	Special:Listadmins to
[19:09:58] <vinodhrajan>	Does, $article->outputWikitext() Generate HTML text ?
[19:10:04] <LeonWP>	hey
[19:10:05] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: hm... no information on parser hooks etc at all?
[19:10:14] <Duesentrieb>	maybe that has to be switched on in recent versions...
[19:10:22] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: do you use any other extensions?
[19:10:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15037  +comment (10Ahonc.ua)
[19:10:25] <Duesentrieb>	LeonWP: hey leon
[19:10:26] <LeonWP>	I'd like comments on that change: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SelectCategory/SelectCategory.php?r1=38647&r2=38652&pathrev=38652
[19:10:51] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, Nope. This is a fresh install.
[19:11:09] <LeonWP>	someone wrote me that he encountered a race condition where fnSelectCategory() got called after the hooks, so the hook funtions weren't set yet
[19:12:04] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: hold on, need to kill ff, it tried to open an irc link and died on it :(
[19:12:04] <ialex>	LeonWP: maybe use full path for require_once( 'SelectCategoryFunctions.php' );
[19:12:11] <Duesentrieb>	ff3 is *really* unstable :/
[19:12:11] <Linuxbeak>	sure
[19:12:13] <Linuxbeak>	wait
[19:12:16] <will_hough>	Barnicle: figured it out
[19:12:21] <Linuxbeak>	this code was made by brion
[19:12:22] <ialex>	LeonWP: not related to the problem though
[19:12:38] <Linuxbeak>	er or not
[19:12:40] <will_hough>	Barnicle: Open LocalSettings.php
[19:12:44] <LeonWP>	yep
[19:12:57] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: does FlaggedRevsAliases.i18n.php accept multiple aliases in some form?
[19:13:17] <LeonWP>	i mean, is setting the hooks immediately ok for extensions?
[19:13:25] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: mm, don't think so
[19:13:26] <Barnicle>	ok
[19:13:29] <Nikerabbit>	LeonWP: that's the normal way
[19:13:31] <ialex>	LeonWP: yes
[19:13:36] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: if yes: how. If no: would you consider using the 'normal' implementation of special page aliases?
[19:13:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global group membership isn't listed on Special:ListUsers/group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15047  (10lucass_nunes)
[19:13:46] <Barnicle>	localsettings.php is open
[19:13:47] <will_hough>	Add: $wgFavicon 			= "$wgScriptPath/favicon.ico";
[19:13:49] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: you mean the new one?
[19:14:04] <will_hough>	it has to be after where the script path is defined
[19:14:04] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: depends in perspective, but I guess that could be applicable too :)
[19:14:11] <will_hough>	not before
[19:14:11] <Barnicle>	what is that after $wgFavicon?
[19:14:19] <Barnicle>	i see 3 black boxes
[19:14:21] <AaronSchulz>	it was made shortly after I did the FR alias stuff ;)
[19:14:28] <will_hough>	they are tabs
[19:14:38] <AaronSchulz>	I could poke at it sometime
[19:14:39] <will_hough>	it's the same code you have
[19:14:48] <Barnicle>	ah ok
[19:14:56] <will_hough>	just make sire the line is after $wgScriptPath
[19:15:14] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: would be great. 'we' at Betawiki would of course take care of the conversion of the currently localised names.
[19:15:40] <Barnicle>	oh snap! nice
[19:15:43] <Barnicle>	worked
[19:15:52] <Barnicle>	you're awesome
[19:16:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Changing Page configuration should trigger an entry in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14993  (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:17:54] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: the hardcoded cookie name "fpwiki_en_UserID" worries me a bit. i guess that would have to be adapted. but afais, that would lead to it always asking, not never asking.
[19:18:01] <LeonWP>	Nikerabbit, ialex, ok
[19:18:29] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, I noticed that as well
[19:18:38] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: the instructions should probably be based on $wgCookiePrefix, but i'm no expert on this stuff
[19:19:36] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: the plugin doesn't register any credits or version info, so it won't show on special:Version. chucks
[19:20:10] <Linuxbeak>	I'm curious.. does that plugin assume that there's an .htpasswd file available..?
[19:21:09] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: i was just wondering the same thing
[19:21:32] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: the example given seems to trigger only if the webserver already authenticated a user.
[19:21:51] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, see, we have a YP/NIS server at our location
[19:21:53] <Duesentrieb>	there's nothing that would trigger a challange (401)
[19:22:04] <Duesentrieb>	heh, i don#t even know what that is
[19:22:08] <Barnicle>	How can I create my own usergroup?
[19:22:15] <Linuxbeak>	it's sorta kinda not really like LDAP
[19:22:24] <Linuxbeak>	originally designed for sun
[19:25:31] <^demon>	Linuxbeak: Wow, there's someone I haven't seen in awhile. How've you been? :-)
[19:25:40] *Linuxbeak 	waves to ^demon 
[19:25:43] <Linuxbeak>	O
[19:25:48] <Linuxbeak>	*I'm well, yourself?
[19:26:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) searching CU log for usernames with a hyphen gives unspecific results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15049 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (wiki.bugzilla)
[19:27:06] <^demon>	Doing pretty well :-)
[19:28:03] <CaptainMorgan>	will_hough, I uploaded the map to a different part of the wiki... a part with it being wrapped in td's or a table and it still doesn't work... one thing I would like to mention, is that I can't at this time figure out the mediawiki version of the production server. Both inside a table and outside, the mappings are placed on new lines, give the html source a neat appearance. With my demo version, it's the latest version of 
[19:28:03] <CaptainMorgan>	mediawiki and it resolved to single line html, making it kinda of messy... 
[19:28:28] <CaptainMorgan>	possibly the version of mediawiki matters here? if so, how do I upgrade the production server to keep every piece of data intact ?
[19:29:42] <CaptainMorgan>	!upgrade
[19:29:42] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[19:30:16] <Simetrical>	CaptainMorgan, you run maintenance/update.php.
[19:45:24] <Linuxbeak>	I got it working!!
[19:45:25] <Linuxbeak>	wheeee!
[19:46:01] <Simetrical>	guyvdb, why is Diff.php included unconditionally in DifferenceEngine.php?  Surely it's only needed if wikidiff3 is used?
[19:46:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Monobook and flagged revisions and new SkinTemplate CSS don' t work well together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15025  +comment (10matthiasbecker1967)
[19:46:33] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, that was the problem, I think. It requires apache to first call for authentication
[19:46:36] <Linuxbeak>	and then it works
[19:50:36] <guyvdb>	Simetrical: you're right
[19:50:40] <guyvdb>	I'll fix it
[19:50:46] <guyvdb>	thanks
[19:51:33] <guyvdb>	I didn't break any rules by comitting this I hope?
[19:52:10] <^demon>	guyvdb: If you did, someone will revert ;-)
[19:52:50] <^demon>	Next up on Whack-A-Newbie-Dev, is Brion! With an impressive commit number, he is surely qualified to Whack Those Newbie Developers! How many will he whack today?
[19:53:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	hehe
[19:55:55] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: congratulations :)
[19:56:05] <Linuxbeak>	Duesentrieb, ty :-)
[19:56:25] <keegan>	hello
[19:56:38] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: whack? what happened to good ol' stabbing?
[19:58:29] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38655 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (154 files): 
[19:58:29] <CIA-55>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-05 21:18 CEST)
[19:58:29] <CIA-55>	* also update 'edit-externally-help'
[19:58:48] <alnokta>	lol
[19:59:38] <keegan>	is there a way to create a bunch of pages from a php script? I need to convert each element in our datacenter's inventory into a single page on our wiki, but i'm not finding an easy way to do it. is there a function or something....or should i just post to the submit function?
[19:59:53] <CIA-55>	03dale * r38656 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (18 files in 9 dirs): 
[19:59:53] <CIA-55>	changes/fixes to interface
[19:59:53] <CIA-55>	minor jquery fix for positioning results of autocomplete
[19:59:53] <CIA-55>	more fixes to flvServing (still not 100% compatible with flash applet)
[20:00:14] <Duesentrieb>	keegan: there are basically three things you can do:
[20:00:35] <keegan>	alright
[20:00:39] <Duesentrieb>	1) don??t generate pages, write an extension that display information from wherever dynamically
[20:01:05] <Duesentrieb>	2) write a command line script based on the framework for maintenance scripts, using mediawiki's internal classes to generate pages
[20:01:33] <Duesentrieb>	2) write some external script in a language of your choice that generates an xml dump in the form mediawiki can read
[20:01:37] <Duesentrieb>	err, that's 3)
[20:01:51] <keegan>	hmm  ok, seems liek the xml dump is the way to go
[20:02:13] <Duesentrieb>	!export | keegan
[20:02:13] --mwbot--	keegan: To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[20:02:17] <Duesentrieb>	!import | keegan
[20:02:17] --mwbot--	keegan: To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[20:02:27] <Barnicle>	is it possible to make groups other than Bots, Sysops, Bureaucrats, and users?
[20:02:38] <Duesentrieb>	keegan: hm... that gives you some context, but doesn't inlcude the link i was hoping for...
[20:02:43] <guyvdb>	I'm getting a ton of:
[20:02:43] <guyvdb>	Use of Linker::makeKnownLinkObj is deprecated. Called from Linker::makeBrokenImageLinkObj in /home/guy/Werk/mediawiki/workspace/Mediawiki/includes/Linker.php at line 936
[20:02:43] <guyvdb>	from latest trunk
[20:02:45] <Duesentrieb>	Barnicle: yes.
[20:02:54] <Duesentrieb>	!rights | Barnicle
[20:02:54] --mwbot--	Barnicle: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[20:03:08] <Simetrical>	guyvdb, maybe I should remove the wfDeprecated() calls until they're actually mostly removed . . . let me fix that now.
[20:03:45] <keegan>	thanks <Duesentrieb>, i think i can figure it out from there :)
[20:03:49] <Duesentrieb>	keegan: the dump format is explained on <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export> - but it's also pretty self-explanatory
[20:04:07] <Duesentrieb>	have fun
[20:05:25] <Barnicle>	have a nice evening gentlemen. till tomorrow.
[20:07:39] <CIA-55>	03guyvdb * r38657 10/branches/visual_diff/phase3/ (154 files in 7 dirs): Merge with trunk and conditional load of Diff.php
[20:09:23] <CIA-55>	03simetrical * r38659 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Okay, let's not use wfDeprecated() when there are still several hundred uses throughout core code and major extensions.
[20:09:24] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38658 10/trunk/extensions/ (102 files in 97 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-05 21:18 CEST)
[20:09:55] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: That works too ;-)
[20:11:07] <CIA-55>	03guyvdb * r38660 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: Load Diff.php only when wgExternalDiffEngine is set
[20:14:35] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38661 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesMs.php: 
[20:14:35] <CIA-55>	Localisation updates from Betawiki
[20:14:35] <CIA-55>	* specialPageAliases updated
[20:14:52] <Jelte-away>	brion: Could you please take a look my patch for bug 10537 (Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels) ?
[20:14:53] <Jelte-away>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537 
[20:15:23] <brion>	Jelte: ah good that one's on my list to review :D
[20:15:42] <^demon>	brion: The only thing I think the redirect updates need might be a maintenance script to back-fill all current values. Thoughts on that?
[20:16:40] <brion>	^demon: i believe refreshLinks.php has a mode to do this -- take a peek and see if it looks like it'll work right for you?
[20:17:15] <^demon>	I'll take a look this evening. Off work now. Adios everyone :-)
[20:17:46] <brion>	Jelte: did you update the parser test cases?
[20:17:55] <Jelte>	brion: no
[20:18:04] <brion>	give it a try :)
[20:18:10] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38662 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates for special pages for extensions from Betawiki
[20:18:36] <Jelte>	brion: ok
[20:19:54] <brion>	  14 previously passing test(s) now FAILING! :(
[20:20:44] <brion>	this seems to be doing a lot more than shifting some numbers around
[20:22:03] <brion>	ah, group name stuff
[20:38:40] <CIA-55>	03huji * r38663 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations
[20:46:40] <Lady_Aleena>	MZMcBride, got code... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Rfd#No_umbrella_nomination_parameter
[20:47:27] <Linuxbeak>	Where are the physical pages located?
[20:47:47] <Duesentrieb>	Linuxbeak: hm? physical pages?
[20:47:48] <Linuxbeak>	I seem to remember a directory where articles/pages/whatever resided
[20:47:58] <Duesentrieb>	in the database, silly :)
[20:48:03] <Linuxbeak>	oh. durrr
[20:48:13] <bazz>	so, my Special:Allmessages page is totally blank (nothing in source either).  I've put error_reporting(E_ALL) and ini_set('d...rs',1) in my localsettings, and i've checked my apache logs and there are no errors there.  any ideas what could be causing this?
[20:48:15] *Linuxbeak 	has been having a stupid day
[20:48:58] <Duesentrieb>	bazz: php timing out or (more likely) running out of memory. allmessages is *big*
[20:49:13] <bazz>	Duesentrieb: wouldn't that put a message in the log?
[20:49:25] <Duesentrieb>	i would think it should.
[20:49:30] <Duesentrieb>	but... php is odd :)
[20:49:30] <bazz>	Duesentrieb: also, this was working when I last looked at it a couple of weeks ago
[20:49:37] <Duesentrieb>	also it can be configured to log elsewhere
[20:49:44] <Duesentrieb>	and, err - wtf is 'd...rs'?
[20:50:05] <Duesentrieb>	bazz: well, what changed since you laste looked? installed extensions?
[20:50:16] <Duesentrieb>	updated mediawiki? or php? or apache?
[20:50:26] <Duesentrieb>	or maybe you just have more load now, which triggers the timeout?
[20:50:54] <bazz>	Duesentrieb: i was abbreviating display_errors.  yeah, i don't think i've changed anything, but i guess i'll have to dig
[20:51:57] <Duesentrieb>	bazz: also look into your php config to find out where the errors go. i think debian likes to put them in a special file or something
[20:52:44] <bazz>	Duesentrieb: yeah, i'll have a look, thanks
[20:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching for a term with # in it is not handled gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11872  (10maxsem.wiki)
[20:53:24] <Lady_Aleena>	!bugzilla
[20:53:24] --mwbot--	All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[20:53:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching for a term with # in it is not handled gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11872  -testme +need-review +patch (10maxsem.wiki)
[20:55:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  +comment (10webboy)
[20:55:46] <Jelte>	brion: patch updated
[20:56:34] <Jelte>	brion: Did your parserTests.php also complain about "This test suite requires the 'ref' hook extension."?
[20:59:49] <bazz>	Duesentrieb: ahh, with logging properly on it logged that it was running out of memory, raising the limit fixed it.  thanks :)
[21:00:15] <Duesentrieb>	\o/
[21:00:27] <Duesentrieb>	don't ask me why it started to happen *now* :)
[21:00:50] <alnokta>	there is no fix other than raising the limits?
[21:01:52] <Simetrical>	alnokta, sure, rewriting Special:AllMessages to use pagination.  :)
[21:01:53] <brion>	Jelte: should be no complaint there unless you haven't set up the extension :)
[21:03:10] <Prodego>	Simetrical: that would be interesting
[21:03:22] <Lady_Aleena>	I need a check to make sure a template is in any talk space, where would I look to see what I would use to make that happen? I am not exactly sure if I am looking for a magic word or something else.
[21:03:39] <alnokta>	Simetrical, its in your TOBE?
[21:03:45] <Jelte>	brion: I had to comment out the delayed loading of wfCite() in Cite.php
[21:03:48] <alnokta>	*TODO
[21:03:54] <Hojjat>	...Seems like there has been a change in the CAPTCHA system, at least for Wikimedia wikis. The captcha wasn't trigered on "first" incorrect password input
[21:04:05] <Simetrical>	alnokta, no.
[21:04:13] <Simetrical>	Hojjat, correct.  It now takes three or so.
[21:05:17] <tusho>	If I have /wiki/Page, how can I make MW generate edit urls like /wiki/Page?action=edit
[21:05:22] <tusho>	going to that works but it generates /w/index.php etc
[21:05:25] <tusho>	I've seen wikis do the former
[21:05:36] <Hojjat>	Simetrical: thanks
[21:05:48] <Simetrical>	tusho, it's more convenient not to.  Then you can set robots.txt to disallow /w/index.php? and it will disallow edit, history, etc., etc.
[21:05:50] <alnokta>	Hojjat, hello
[21:06:17] <Hojjat>	alnokta: Hi there. :)
[21:06:27] <tusho>	Simetrical: it's a personal wiki so edit, etc will never be seen by a bot
[21:06:33] <tusho>	i'm not too fussed about my history pages being indexed
[21:06:35] <Lady_Aleena>	Would it be {{#if:{{TALKSPACE}}|stuff|other stuff}}?
[21:07:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) NS_TEMPLATE disabled on eswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15050 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Platonides)
[21:08:01] <Lady_Aleena>	Sorry to be butting into an ongoing conversation, hopefully this is a quickie answer thing.
[21:08:53] <Nizomi>	Hi, is there a way to do a if-like thing without the extension? I tried it with templates but it seems like I can't pass the content of a parameter of the current template to another template as a parameter for that one
[21:09:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subpages in NS_TEMPLATE disabled on eswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15050  summary (10webboy)
[21:09:23] <jeremyb_>	[[w:template:qif]] ?
[21:09:43] <Nizomi>	huh?
[21:10:21] <jeremyb_>	go look at that page?
[21:10:32] <CIA-55>	03ialex * r38664 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Diff.php DifferenceEngine.php): 
[21:10:32] <CIA-55>	* Remove useless ?> in Diff.php
[21:10:32] <CIA-55>	* Only load that file when necessary and use full path to include it
[21:10:32] <CIA-55>	* Set missing svn:eol-style property
[21:10:36] <jeremyb_>	unilinky: [[w:template:qif]]
[21:10:38] <tusho>	Simetrical: is it easy?
[21:10:41] <l337h4l>	Evening gents
[21:10:47] <jeremyb_>	unilinky: w:template:qif
[21:10:52] <jeremyb_>	unilinky: ping
[21:11:00] <Nizomi>	lol :o
[21:11:06] <Jelte>	Lady_Aleena: {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{TALKSPACE}}| This is a talkpage | This is a normal page }}
[21:11:09] <Simetrical>	tusho, I don't know how to do it offhand.
[21:11:15] <tusho>	OK
[21:11:17] <l337h4l>	is it possible to have an image change instead of it linking to itself to link to another Wiki page?
[21:11:20] <tusho>	i'll wait to see if anyone else knows
[21:11:23] <Simetrical>	tusho, probably changing $wgScript or something.
[21:11:58] <Nizomi>	jeremyb_: bot is broken? :<
[21:12:13] <jeremyb_>	Nizomi: it might be turned off in this channel
[21:12:21] <Nizomi>	so
[21:12:26] <Nizomi>	what page should i look at?
[21:12:42] <jeremyb_>	en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:qif
[21:12:56] <jeremyb_>	my firefox is misbehaving so i don't know for sure it's the right URL
[21:13:13] <Krimpet>	Nizomi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Qif
[21:13:43] <Krimpet>	actually, it's really short, so you don't need a URL...
[21:13:55] <Lady_Aleena>	Thanks Jelte
[21:13:58] <jeremyb_>	see it's talk page too
[21:13:59] <Krimpet>	just make a new template called "qif" and insert the following: {{{else{{{test|}}}|{{{test{{{test|}}}|{{{then|}}}}}}}}}
[21:14:04] <CIA-55>	03dale * r38665 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/flvServer/ (MvFlv.php mvFlvServer.php): more flvServer updates
[21:14:38] <CIA-55>	03stipe * r38666 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mv_embed.js mv_javaEmbed.js sample_page.php): fixed safari skin support, improved play/pause/stop functionality in various circumstances
[21:14:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) {{SUBPAGENAME}} and {{SUBPAGENAMEE}} don' t work on all namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15051 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Platonides)
[21:15:10] <Nizomi>	hm
[21:15:13] <Nizomi>	how does it work?
[21:15:16] <Jelte>	Lady_Aleena: you're welcome
[21:16:15] <Nizomi>	what is effect has | inside a parameter tag?
[21:16:23] <jeremyb_>	default
[21:16:27] <jeremyb_>	if param undef
[21:17:24] <Nizomi>	ugh
[21:17:30] <Nizomi>	i dont get how that template works :D
[21:18:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{SUBPAGENAME}} and {{SUBPAGENAMEE}} don' t work on all namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15051  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:18:38] <MZMcBride>	Lady_Aleena: Replied.
[21:18:54] <Lady_Aleena>	MZMcBride, coolies.
[21:20:14] <Nizomi>	jeremyb: dont reall get it ^^ else{{{test|}}} would mean if i do {{qif|test=blub}} it would try to acces the param elseblub?
[21:20:19] <Nizomi>	*really
[21:22:46] <Nizomi>	+how can a parameter have 2 defaults?
[21:22:51] <Nizomi>	oh wait
[21:22:52] <Nizomi>	its 1
[21:22:52] <Nizomi>	xD
[21:23:14] <Nizomi>	still what exactly is {{{else{{text|}}} doing
[21:23:21] <Nizomi>	*{{{
[21:23:36] <Duesentrieb>	it'S missing }}, that's what it's doing
[21:23:37] <jeremyb_>	Nizomi: no idea :)
[21:23:58] <Nizomi>	Duesentrieb: huh?
[21:23:58] <Duesentrieb>	Nizomi: forget the qif stuff, it was a terrible hack an no one wants it back.
[21:24:04] <tusho>	If I have /wiki/Page, how can I make MW generate edit urls like /wiki/Page?action=edit
[21:24:14] <Nizomi>	Duesentrieb: well i dont have the extension accessible, so :p
[21:24:22] <Duesentrieb>	get it then
[21:24:25] <jeremyb_>	AzaTht might know
[21:24:39] <Nizomi>	Duesentrieb: not my wiki
[21:24:48] <Duesentrieb>	ask for it?
[21:25:22] <Duesentrieb>	it's way better than introducing a lod of nasty hack that consume cpu cycles, ram, and bandwidth
[21:25:28] <MZMcBride>	tusho: Perhaps, but that's bad practice.
[21:25:30] <Duesentrieb>	*lot
[21:25:35] <tusho>	MZMcBride: so I was told. about 10 minutes ago.
[21:25:42] <tusho>	most of the criticisms are irrelevant in this case
[21:25:42] <tusho>	:)
[21:25:43] <Nizomi>	Duesentrieb: i did :p but they are kinda slow lol
[21:25:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ability to transclude only part of a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[21:25:53] <tusho>	MZMcBride: so do you know how?
[21:26:06] <Duesentrieb>	Nizomi: mail them the nasty template code once a day
[21:26:16] <Nizomi>	xD
[21:26:32] <Nizomi>	hmhm
[21:27:05] <MZMcBride>	tusho: Play with $wgScriptPath ?
[21:27:14] <MZMcBride>	Hmm.
[21:27:17] <tusho>	MZMcBride: won't that mess up other things?
[21:27:29] <MZMcBride>	Yeah, I'm not sure it's very easy to do what you want to do.
[21:27:36] <tusho>	i've seen wikis with it
[21:27:37] <tusho>	(running MW)
[21:27:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Trailing slashes should be ignored when subpages are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11747  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:28:10] <MZMcBride>	I've never seen that. I've seen http://example.com/edit/Page_title and http://wiki.example.com/Page_title ...
[21:28:27] <MZMcBride>	!shorturl
[21:28:27] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[21:28:45] <tusho>	MZMcBride: I have seen /wiki/Page_title?action=edit&section=1 and similar
[21:29:07] <MZMcBride>	Well, there's an ActionPaths variable...
[21:29:23] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgActionPaths
[21:29:26] <Duesentrieb>	that would give you /wiki/edit/Page_title
[21:29:43] <tusho>	you CAN use it
[21:29:45] <tusho>	but it results in
[21:29:47] <tusho>	?edit?section=1
[21:29:51] <MZMcBride>	What if you set it ?action=$a ?
[21:29:52] <tusho>	due to it not knowing it's in a ?
[21:29:56] <tusho>	err
[21:29:58] <CIA-55>	03dale * r38667 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/maintenance/download_from_archive_org.php: updated download from archive.org script
[21:29:59] <tusho>	?action=edit?section=1
[21:30:07] <tusho>	(since it would generate /edit/Page_title?section=1)
[21:32:42] <CIA-55>	03leon * r38668 10/trunk/extensions/SelectCategory/SelectCategoryFunctions.php: Whoops, that was stupid. Of course we still have to check for that value. Thanks to Lambert Lum for the hint.
[21:34:23] <Cirt>	hello
[21:34:29] <Cirt>	here from Wikinews, asking for some help
[21:34:33] <Cirt>	anyone around?
[21:34:47] <tusho>	yes
[21:34:47] <Majorly>	you need to be more specific
[21:34:55] <Majorly>	does anyone know about flagged revisions?
[21:35:03] <Majorly>	what's the difference between an editor and a reviewer?
[21:35:24] <Duesentrieb>	a review can review, an editor is anyone who edits?
[21:35:25] <Cirt>	yea, we need some elaboration on that
[21:35:31] <Cirt>	I don't think so
[21:35:35] <Duesentrieb>	(just a guess)
[21:35:49] <Majorly>	not helpful
[21:36:32] <Duesentrieb>	well, the only special privileges i know about are for sighting and reviewing. where is the notion of an editor mentioned?
[21:36:49] <Cirt>	editor - sighting
[21:36:51] <Cirt>	what is sighting?
[21:37:16] <Duesentrieb>	well - i mostly know about how this is used on dewp
[21:37:28] <Duesentrieb>	it can be configured to do or be a lot of things.
[21:37:40] <Duesentrieb>	"sighted" on dewp means "flagged as not vandalized"
[21:37:51] <Duesentrieb>	there'S a special group&permission for doing it
[21:37:52] <Wulfansur>	Has anyone seen an error like this before? http://rafb.net/p/lA8NcX73.html
[21:38:34] <Cirt>	and what does reviewed mean?
[21:39:00] <Duesentrieb>	in the context oif dewp, it would mean it's endorsed by an expert to be correct
[21:39:04] <Platonides>	Wulfansur, have you changed that file?
[21:39:13] <Cirt>	oh
[21:39:15] <Cirt>	ok
[21:39:33] <Duesentrieb>	but afaik, you can set up differnt flags with different meangs
[21:40:11] <Cirt>	l
[21:40:13] <Cirt>	ok
[21:40:18] <Cirt>	we need to find out the meanings then
[21:40:18] <Duesentrieb>	basically, most editors would get sighting rights, but only a few would get reviewing rights
[21:40:20] <Cirt>	thanks for the help
[21:40:26] <Duesentrieb>	np
[21:46:06] <Subfader>	Got a problem. I can't get this to work: <?php global $wgUser; if( $wgUser->isAnon() ) { echo('include ("...rand.php");');} ?>
[21:46:48] <Subfader>	But <?php include ('...rand.php'); ?> works, as well as <?php global $wgUser; if( $wgUser->isAnon() ) { echo('something');} ?>
[21:47:08] <l337h4l>	Never mind my previous question i just found linkedimage extensions, thnx
[21:47:41] <Duesentrieb>	Subfader: what do you expect echo('include ("...rand.php");'); to  *do*?
[21:50:06] <Subfader>	yes found that out as well :) stupid me. but ...isAnon() ) { include ("...rand.php"); } ?> doesn't work either
[21:50:30] <Platonides>	is normal mediawiki code loaded?
[21:50:44] <Subfader>	nope, some php. workw with <?php include ("...rand.php"); ?> in the skin
[21:51:12] <Subfader>	but don't want it for logged in users
[21:51:18] <Duesentrieb>	turn on full error output. i suspect a typo
[21:52:03] <Duesentrieb>	also, use require. include is silly. if it ain??t there, something is broken
[21:52:40] <CIA-55>	03sanbeg * r38669 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/ (Cite.i18n.php Cite_body.php): add format=a option for alphabetic format
[21:53:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) WebTV users unable to view wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15036  (10brion)
[21:53:49] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38670 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (11 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-04 23:44 CEST)
[21:55:24] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38671 10/trunk/extensions/ (14 files in 14 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-04 23:44 CEST)
[21:55:29] <siebrand>	darn, wrong date :(
[21:55:58] <tusho>	Is there a setting I can set to allow arbitary HTML in pages?
[21:56:07] <tusho>	(Personal wiki, so no security risk)
[21:56:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New logo for Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15037  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:58:40] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38672 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Optional for 'cite_references_link_many_format_alpha'
[21:59:09] <brion>	yay cia is back
[21:59:11] <tusho>	$wgRawHtml doesn't allow some tags
[21:59:13] <tusho>	like <form>
[21:59:52] <brion>	yes it does
[22:00:08] <tusho>	oh wait
[22:00:11] <tusho>	I have to use <html> blocks
[22:00:12] <tusho>	grr
[22:00:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Subpages in NS_TEMPLATE disabled on eswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15050  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:01:01] <Subfader>	Duesentrieb: works now :)
[22:05:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  wgNamespacesWithSubpages and wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault for Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14992  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:06:13] <Oberoten>	*headbutts keyboard*
[22:06:24] <Oberoten>	... Semantic forms are EVIL
[22:09:38] *Linuxbeak 	celebrates, he was just able to successfully export Kwiki data to MediaWiki
[22:25:22] <juliano>	RecentChanges feeds only contain diffs if the first user accessing them is logged... is this intended behaviour?
[22:25:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variable to show the topmost level in the tree of subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12872  (10misza1313)
[22:26:23] <Oberoten>	... and that is 47 hours to get a sorting table to work?
[22:26:52] <Oberoten>	Yatta.
[22:28:05] <Oberoten>	Now a much smaller question : 
[22:28:20] <Oberoten>	... how can I mosty easily define a class within a page?
[22:28:36] <Oberoten>	Say I want to make a template to have alternating grey and black rows?
[22:28:51] <Oberoten>	I allready have a template switching between 1 and 0... 
[22:29:12] <Oberoten>	... but the example I saw was done with a Class instead of having to enter it all into the template lines. 
[22:29:22] <Oberoten>	((It'd look WAY more elegant that way. ))
[22:30:02] <pack_>	I upgraded from 1.9 to 1.12, the server seems really really really slow to respond.
[22:45:05] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38673 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Optional for 'cite_references_prefix_alpha'
[22:49:48] <CIA-55>	03dale * r38674 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/flvServer/ (MvFlv.php MvFlv_old.php): removed old mvFlv fixed uninitialized value
[22:53:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Skins should add their name as a class in <body> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15052 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jhsoby)
[22:56:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{SUBPAGENAME}} and {{SUBPAGENAMEE}} don' t work on all namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15051  (10Platonides)
[23:22:29] <Lady_Aleena>	!css
[23:22:29] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[23:22:49] <Lady_Aleena>	Okay, that doesn't help.