[00:01:32] <^demon>	brion: For the redirect stuff. I know the schema change needs scheduling. Anything else that needs fixing in the latest patch before we roll forward?
[00:03:21] <Tubarao>	does anyone know what decides in which order different gadgets are loaded?
[00:04:26] <Tubarao>	or rather, the question would be; how can I, if possible, manipulate one gadget to load before another?
[00:05:16] <Platonides>	probably changing the order the gadgets are listed
[00:05:42] <Splarka>	damn
[00:05:50] <Tubarao>	my gadget that should be loaded is already before the one in question, but it's loaded after.. :(
[00:05:57] <Splarka>	but it could also be articleID, revId, alphabetical, or order they appear in the prefs blob
[00:06:45] <Platonides>	Tubarao, then try adding it later :)
[00:09:03] *Splarka 	loads all the gadgets from test.wp
[00:09:09] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?GowJdwY7fRA_Ay6pa9CBuA
[00:09:51] <Splarka>	looks like the exact order they're listed in the gadgets definition
[00:10:19] <Splarka>	mixing CSS and JS even
[00:10:35] <Tubarao>	mhm.. i'm doing some checking now.. 
[00:10:50] <Splarka>	Tubarao: note that the order in which <script> tags load doesn't always determine how things flow
[00:11:10] <Splarka>	for example, if your script is an document.onload but a later script uses addOnloadHook, the second will run first
[00:11:19] <Splarka>	but an even later script that runs on script load will run earlier
[00:11:58] <Splarka>	although later definitions of functions will override earlier ones, unless of course the functions are being assigned (cloned) to events or variables
[00:12:23] <Splarka>	if your script relies on load precidence, it might break in some browsers too
[00:12:45] <Splarka>	most execute the <script> as soon as it loads, of course...
[00:13:05] <Splarka>	but some wait at each <script> to load before executing the next, and others load all at once and execute each as they load
[00:13:06] <Tubarao>	ah.. now I know what's my problem..
[00:13:47] <Splarka>	so if you have a 50k <script> before a 1k, the 1k might get executed first (old IE bug, IIRC)
[00:13:48] <Tubarao>	i'm using an importScriptURI and callback....
[00:13:57] <Splarka>	ahh, yes, that adds a delay
[00:14:01] <Splarka>	heh
[00:14:05] <Tubarao>	that leaves it to last.. :D
[00:14:43] <Splarka>	rewrite your script to work after the other gadget ^_^
[00:14:53] <Tubarao>	dang'it.. well.. have to do some cross-scripting then..
[00:15:12] <Tubarao>	the other gadget rearranges all portlets... to dynamic CSS-menus..
[00:15:20] <Tubarao>	and my gadget adds a portlet...
[00:15:28] <Tubarao>	so it get's kind of lost...
[00:15:33] <Splarka>	ahh
[00:15:48] <Splarka>	can you call the script again?
[00:15:54] <Tubarao>	mhm.. 
[00:16:10] <Splarka>	if you use importScript it might work
[00:16:17] <Splarka>	unless it ruins the old portlets it screwed up
[00:16:20] <Tubarao>	the other author did it all in css.. but i made a js-hack to do some rearranging dynamically..
[00:16:33] <Splarka>	ahh, css
[00:16:38] <Splarka>	well then it should be retroactive
[00:16:46] <Splarka>	heh
[00:16:57] <Splarka>	does the css/rearrange gadget use addOnloadHook?
[00:17:03] <Tubarao>	he uses some fixed width/left values...
[00:17:12] <Splarka>	if so, we changed addOnloadHook in 1.13 to execute after document load
[00:17:12] <Tubarao>	my rearrange does..
[00:17:28] <Splarka>	that is, if the document is loaded, it is just executed immediately
[00:17:44] <Splarka>	that means, an hour after loading you can use importScript() that uses an addOnloadHook and it'll work
[00:17:52] <Splarka>	so
[00:18:03] <Tubarao>	mhm.. i'll do a quick test now..
[00:18:04] <Splarka>	try putting an importScript('your css gadget') in the callback
[00:18:11] <Splarka>	and rewrite both until they work ^_^
[00:18:38] <Splarka>	you might need to give each modified portlet a className += ' compactPortlet'
[00:19:03] <Splarka>	and then if(obj.className.indexOf('compactPortlet')=!= -1)  before applying compactness
[00:19:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  (10innocentkiller)
[00:19:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717   +need-review (10innocentkiller)
[00:20:29] <Tubarao>	should i do a importScript('MediaWiki:Gadget-name.js'); .. ie. with the MediaWiki-part..
[00:20:35] <Tubarao>	?
[00:20:46] <Splarka>	yes, full page name
[00:20:50] <Platonides>	Splarka, take in mind thatimportScript prevents including the same file twice
[00:20:57] <Splarka>	or you could use URI for finer control, but no difference
[00:21:01] <Tubarao>	umf...
[00:21:02] <Splarka>	Platonides: obviously
[00:21:27] <Splarka>	but only via importScript
[00:21:32] <Splarka>	it is loading via a gadget the first time
[00:21:45] <Platonides>	ahm, ok
[00:21:57] <Splarka>	Platonides: I submitted importScript() to bugzilla ^_^
[00:22:19] <Tubarao>	w00t .. and it worked... :)
[00:22:23] <Tubarao>	goody goody..
[00:22:25] <Platonides>	didn't know it was you
[00:22:29] <Splarka>	we stole AzaTht's functions from en.wp and rewrote them to be omni-browser friendly
[00:22:32] <Platonides>	well, that import_once feature broke a script on commins ;)
[00:22:38] <Splarka>	heh
[00:22:41] <Platonides>	although it was quite esoteric :P
[00:22:42] <Splarka>	hell with commons!
[00:22:52] <Splarka>	they do funky stuff ^_^
[00:23:48] <Platonides>	it was mainly done by me ;)
[00:24:01] <Splarka>	heh
[00:24:03] <Platonides>	strange things to support one file being included full or just in part
[00:24:12] <Splarka>	well, we considered and rejected interwiki imports in core
[00:24:17] <Splarka>	it would be impossible to support
[00:24:24] <Splarka>	better to do it project-specific
[00:25:02] <Splarka>	anyway
[00:25:09] <Platonides>	it wasn't about interwiki importing
[00:25:28] <Splarka>	you can bypass importScriptURI limits by adding a breadcrumb/fragment parameter
[00:25:43] <Splarka>	no, but I saw on some wikis some features to do interwiki imports
[00:26:04] <Splarka>	like importScript('foobar','en','w') or such
[00:26:17] <Splarka>	we tried to keep it as simple as possible while still almost fully functional
[00:26:39] <Splarka>	importScript() calls importScriptURI() with parameters added, for example
[00:27:08] <Platonides>	i fixed it by manually removing from the list, i recall
[00:27:16] <Splarka>	importStylesheet() does the same to importStylesheetURI(), and the latter also calls appendCSS() if the browser doesn't support .createStyleSheet
[00:42:08] <brion>	   1 previously passing test(s) now FAILING! :(
[00:42:08] <brion>	      * Link with suffix  [Introduced between 05-Aug-2008 04:36:34, 1.14alpha (r38609) and 10-Aug-2008 00:37:09, 1.14alpha (r39037)]
[00:43:47] <yao_ziyuan>	is there any mediawiki-based free wiki hosting?
[00:44:00] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[00:44:26] <Splarka>	!hosting
[00:44:26] --mwbot--	For a list of popular wiki hosting services, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_farms>. You can also set up MediaWiki on most webspace that provides PHP and MySQL (SSH recommended).
[00:46:56] <yao_ziyuan>	i'd better use google groups/pages/sites
[00:47:37] <irc_bot>	 what the hell, an american stabbed in beijing?
[00:47:37] <irc_bot>	 i've been there 2 times and to tell you the truth, felt COMPLETELY safe
[00:47:37] <irc_bot>	 the olympics make people go CRAZY
[00:48:43] <Charitwo>	irc_bot: this is off topic here, perhaps you can discuss this elsewher
[00:48:44] <Charitwo>	e
[00:49:08] <irc_bot>	oh, sorry. thought mediawiki was about the media?
[00:49:38] <Charitwo>	it's about the software
[00:49:47] <Charitwo>	see http://mediawiki.org
[00:50:06] <irc_bot>	haha. dumbass. my bad.
[00:50:07] <irc_bot>	later
[00:51:58] <Splarka>	irc_bot: there is always #wikinews which is about news
[00:52:04] <Splarka>	(on a wiki)
[00:54:39] <CIA-55>	03brion * r39040 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: (log message trimmed)
[00:54:39] <CIA-55>	Revert r39021 "Tweak css load order (broken for extensions since r38116)"
[00:54:40] <CIA-55>	This regresses us back from using <link rel="stylesheet">, which we want, to using @import, which we don't.
[00:54:40] <CIA-55>	There are a few reasons we don't want it:
[00:54:40] <CIA-55>	* IE and Firefox at least don't save @import'ed stylesheets when you save a web page as bundled HTML + resources, which is annoying
[00:54:43] <CIA-55>	* Allegedly, browsers may be more efficient about the order of things they load when using <link>, however I haven't tested this
[00:54:46] <CIA-55>	* the CSS media markers may be different, we're trying to make that consistent...
[01:05:35] <juliano>	What does it mean "transform" in the context of wfMsg*() functions?
[01:07:46] <CIA-55>	03brion * r39041 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ValidationStatistics_body.php: tweak debugging, /dev/null usage in ValidationStatistics::maybeUpdate
[01:07:47] <brion>	juliano: expansion of {{SITENAME}} etc
[01:09:10] <Zebranky>	Does MW use some form of caching for user login info?
[01:09:17] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39042 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateStats.inc: intval()
[01:09:25] <juliano>	brion: so, if I'm goint to parse() the output afterwards, I can just use the NoTrans variants, right?
[01:09:35] <brion>	right
[01:09:44] <brion>	in theory anyway :D
[01:09:52] <juliano>	brion: ok, thanks! :-)
[01:10:09] *juliano 	is puzzled by the plurality of wfMsg*() functions available
[01:11:31] <brion>	it gets scary yeah
[01:11:43] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39043 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateStats.inc: use isset() check instead
[01:14:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages in template namespace for portuguese wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15076  (10heldergeovane)
[01:17:41] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39044 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ValidationStatistics_body.php: div by zero
[01:22:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for Malayalam projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15012  (10cbrown1023)
[01:24:22] <Zebranky>	Where are user passwords cached?
[01:24:35] <Zebranky>	(hashes, anyway)
[01:24:50] <Zebranky>	And other user info, I guess.
[01:26:15] <qsheets>	Zebranky: not really cached, but stored in the user table of the db
[01:26:32] <Zebranky>	I'm editing that, and the changes aren't taking effect. :/
[01:26:45] <qsheets>	??
[01:26:59] <Zebranky>	Version 1.9.2, if the behavior has been changed since then.
[01:27:15] <qsheets>	what are you trying to do?
[01:27:28] <Zebranky>	For some reason we have a couple users that can't log in.
[01:27:41] <Zebranky>	I'm trying to change their passwords as a test, and it's not working.
[01:27:52] <Zebranky>	(still gives the incorrect password message)
[01:28:15] <brion>	Zebranky: $u = User::newFromName('blah'); $u->setPassword('foo'); $u->saveSettings();
[01:28:26] <qsheets>	Zebranky: try telling them to click the "Fogot Password" button
[01:28:26] <brion>	this is the correct recommended sequence for manually setting a password
[01:28:48] <Zebranky>	I'm the DB host, but I have no access to the webserver files.
[01:28:56] <Zebranky>	It's not an ideal setup by any means, unfortunately.
[01:29:09] <brion>	if your wiki has a local cache configured (memcached or the apc/etc memory caches), then user data may be cached there, in which case simply poking at the db tables is not recommended
[01:29:32] <brion>	if you must, you should update user_touched and invalidate the cached entry
[01:29:32] <Zebranky>	Okay, thanks, I wanted to make sure that a cache WAS a possibility.
[01:29:48] <Zebranky>	Ah! Thanks :)
[01:31:16] <Zebranky>	Ack. That's still not updating the cache.
[01:33:07] <Zebranky>	Well, thanks for the heads up. I'll see if I can get the cache disabled so I can resolve the user issues.
[01:40:33] <CIA-55>	03brion * r39045 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ValidationStatistics_body.php: to wfDebugLog
[02:05:12] *Lady_Aleena 	walks up to Splarka meekly, looking a bit pitiful.
[02:06:05] *Lady_Aleena 	realizes she is in the wrong place and shuffles to the right place.
[02:11:39] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39046 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ValidationStatistics_body.php: pass wiki ID
[02:15:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Monobook and flagged revisions and new SkinTemplate CSS don' t work well together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15025  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:19:32] <White_Cat_Zzz>	hmm
[03:19:35] <White_Cat_Zzz>	is it just me
[03:19:35] <White_Cat_Zzz>	http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1_mesaj:White_Cat
[03:19:44] <White_Cat_Zzz>	or the text is huge
[03:27:16] <Splarka>	White_Cat_Zzz: <div style="margin-left:6px; margin-right:6px; margin-top:6px; font-family: 'Georgia'; font-size: medium;">
[03:27:20] <Splarka>	it is that 'medium' doing it, apparently
[03:27:44] <White_Cat_Zzz>	Splarka works fine on other wikis though
[03:28:07] *Splarka 	shrugs
[03:28:11] <Splarka>	well it doesn't there ^_^
[03:28:57] <White_Cat_Zzz>	http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:White_Cat/Gen&action=edit
[03:34:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RecentChanges doesn't keep state when switching show/ hide bots, registered, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15101 major; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Eugene.Zelenko)
[03:36:48] <TaKaGaRi>	Could someone discribe how i can SHOW an external or internal image? When i use the [image: tag i get a link??
[03:37:35] <DarkoNeko>	during the install warning, you installed not GD not imageMagik, I assume ?
[03:37:41] <DarkoNeko>	hence, thumbnails can't be created
[03:39:47] <TaKaGaRi>	i dont honestly remember
[03:40:52] <White_Cat_Zzz>	do you dishonestly remember? :)
[03:41:17] <DarkoNeko>	hmm, check your system about this
[03:41:26] <DarkoNeko>	on my side, it's 5H40 so I'll go to sleep :)
[03:41:35] <White_Cat>	darkcode its 42
[03:41:39] <White_Cat>	5H42
[03:41:44] <DarkoNeko>	no.
[03:41:44] <White_Cat>	43
[03:41:48] <DarkoNeko>	still no.
[03:41:53] <DarkoNeko>	41
[03:41:59] <White_Cat>	minutes there move slowly than here
[03:42:10] <White_Cat>	might be a rupture in space/time vortex
[03:42:37] <TaKaGaRi>	is there a way to install that thumbnail program after wards?
[03:43:49] <TaKaGaRi>	or is there a way to jsut have it show the image? no thumb?
[03:55:09] <CIA-55>	03river * r39047 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (21 files in 2 dirs): 
[03:55:09] <CIA-55>	- convert parser to AST. while this is slower than the previous implementation, it's clearer, and more correct (lazy evaluation is supported)
[03:55:10] <CIA-55>	- to compensate for the slower parser, optimised it a little
[03:55:10] <CIA-55>	- change basic_string to fray, a refcounted immutable string
[03:55:10] <CIA-55>	- add 'xml' tool, prints the parser tree in XML
[04:04:26] <Charitwo>	O_o
[04:06:30] <TaKaGaRi>	anyone know how i can install the GD and imagemagik?? i thnk i didnt when I installed at first
[04:21:41] <CIA-55>	03river * r39048 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (affunctions.h ast.h parser.h): cleanup: move ast_evaluator into its own module, move expr functions from parser to affunctions
[04:23:35] <will_hough>	TaKaGaRi: Do you have shared hosting?
[04:58:01] <stagedtheology>	hi... I have a question about navboxes that I've been trying to find the answer to without much luck. Can anyone help me out?
[04:58:36] <MZMcBride>	Always best to ask. :-)
[04:59:37] <stagedtheology>	Thanks. :) I'm using a local installation of MediaWiki (not my own installation - a friend's hosting it), and I'm trying to figure out how to use navigation boxes.
[04:59:58] <stagedtheology>	I found this page: http://swik.net/MediaWiki/About+MediaWiki -- which indicates that I need to do some configuration changes, but I haven't been able to find what they are.
[05:01:18] <MZMcBride>	What kind of navbox are you trying to create?
[05:01:39] <Charitwo>	its a splarka
[05:01:53] <Splarka>	sometimes
[05:02:30] <stagedtheology>	Honestly, I'm a little unclear on what my options are. Something like what's at the bottom of this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulcalibur would be awesome. (Silly example, I know, but there you go.)
[05:03:02] <MZMcBride>	Those use templates and JavaScript.
[05:03:08] <MZMcBride>	!templates
[05:03:08] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[05:03:33] <MZMcBride>	The JavaScript that those boxes use is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[05:03:42] <stagedtheology>	Beautiful. Thank you very much.
[05:04:48] <stagedtheology>	Where will I need to save this to?
[05:05:02] <MZMcBride>	The equivalent pages on your wiki.
[05:05:49] <stagedtheology>	So SiteName:Common.js? I'm sorry if this should be really obvious.
[05:06:09] <MZMcBride>	Nope, at [[MediaWiki:Common.js]].
[05:13:23] <stagedtheology>	Will I also need to create [[Template:Navbox]]?
[05:13:57] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[05:15:17] <stagedtheology>	Should I include all the material on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox?
[05:18:32] <MZMcBride>	Most of it, yeah.
[05:28:05] <stagedtheology>	What should be left off? I'm sorry, I just don't see anything that should obviously be left off, and when I copied it to my wiki it was a mess.
[05:29:28] <MZMcBride>	Do you have ParserFunctions installed?
[05:31:25] <stagedtheology>	I'm not sure. The server administrator is currently offline; will I need to check with him?
[05:32:15] <MZMcBride>	Go to Special:Version on your wiki. If it's installed, it will be listed.
[05:32:46] <stagedtheology>	It's not listed.
[05:33:07] <MZMcBride>	Most templates from en.wiki or other large wikis require ParserFunctions to work.
[05:33:11] <stagedtheology>	OK, I'll email the server admin to ask him to install it. Thank you!
[05:33:24] <MZMcBride>	ParserFunctions = {#if:... }} {{#ifexpr:...}} etc.
[05:34:09] <Splarka>	> Dear Parserfunctions: be core dammit. Love, Splarka
[05:56:19] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: good work :)
[06:11:25] <Splarka>	hey werdna, can abuse filter perform a publically viewable but passive action, like marking revisions as "unpatrolled" (or some other reason to add an exclamation mark to the recent changes entry for the diff) on certain matches?
[06:12:09] <Splarka>	like say a site wants to notice all revisions that add a certain list of words (possibly for a cluebot), without checking every diff
[06:13:06] <Werdna>	that's in the works.
[06:13:15] <Werdna>	I'm going to add full recentchange tagging by the software
[06:13:20] <Werdna>	will also be used in torblock
[06:13:22] <Splarka>	sweet
[06:13:25] *Splarka 	points MZM to that
[06:13:45] <Splarka>	will it have an affect on rc feeds? irc.wikimedia.org for example?
[06:13:57] <Werdna>	possibly.
[06:14:04] <Werdna>	and it would be an effect :)
[06:14:29] <Splarka>	nope, affect
[06:14:34] <Splarka>	external change of mood
[06:14:49] *Splarka 	points out affect is also a noun, and effect is also a verb
[06:15:09] <Splarka>	don't you read XKCD or are you a crazy foriegn noob?
[06:16:00] <Splarka>	by that, I mean, could the recent changes bots see the tagging, and behave appropriately?
[06:16:12] <Werdna>	Splarka: It is true that effect is also a verb, but one with a different meaning. It is also true that affect is also a noun, and it, too, has a different meaning.
[06:16:18] <Splarka>	yes
[06:16:25] <Splarka>	I wasn't asking if it would have an effect
[06:16:31] <Splarka>	because it would, obviously, by showing tags
[06:16:45] <Werdna>	so, unless you were suggesting that it would have a external display of emotion/mood, while positioned on top of the rc feeds, you were wrong :)
[06:16:47] <Splarka>	but would it have an affect too? as it, could it be utilized for the power of good?
[06:17:41] <Werdna>	Well, it could hypothetically be sent by the RC bot, too. There's no reason for it not to.
[06:17:48] <Splarka>	eg, cluebot wouldn't have to check every diff
[06:18:21] <Splarka>	mmm
[06:18:28] <Splarka>	heh, could it also modify the summary?
[06:18:48] <Werdna>	sounds icky.
[06:18:49] <Splarka>	'user added the word "shit" 50 times'
[06:19:26] <Werdna>	yawn.
[06:19:31] <Werdna>	tagging is a far better solution.
[06:19:40] <Splarka>	fair
[06:20:11] <Werdna>	Splarka: Look at this plz
[06:20:12] <Werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/dev2
[06:20:25] <Splarka>	sudo look at this
[06:20:28] <Werdna>	Now tell me where I should fit "view endorsements and objections" into that UI
[06:21:02] *Splarka 	tries to undertand what he's seeing
[06:21:03] <TheFearow>	Splarka: sudo get me a soda :) (I'm guessing a XKCD fan?)
[06:21:14] <Werdna>	TheFearow: sudo read up.
[06:21:17] <Werdna>	and it's SANDWICH
[06:21:17] <Splarka>	TheFearow: sandwich (guessing you're an amateur fan)
[06:21:20] *Werdna 	scoffs.
[06:21:30] <Splarka>	sudo reread XKCD
[06:21:33] <TheFearow>	No, testing you :)
[06:21:33] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, I like it!
[06:21:42] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: thanks.
[06:21:59] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, would make !voting easier.
[06:22:11] <Splarka>	mmm
[06:22:28] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: there would still be discussion on a dedicated page, except the vote count would be held by the software.
[06:22:38] <Splarka>	first thing to do is find a word to encompass both "endorsements" and "objections"
[06:22:42] <Werdna>	If nobody's watching, we can make it auto-close discussions with at least X endorsing administrators.
[06:22:45] <Splarka>	but without calling them "votes"
[06:22:46] <Werdna>	Splarka: I know :(
[06:22:53] <Splarka>	or "opinions"
[06:22:57] <Werdna>	Splarka: I was soliciting opinions from people about that.
[06:23:09] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, add neutral.
[06:23:10] <Werdna>	votes is what they're called internally :)
[06:23:14] <Splarka>	can't call them "rulings"
[06:23:19] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: no, that's discussion, and belongs on the discussion page.
[06:23:35] <Splarka>	crucible? heh
[06:24:00] <Werdna>	endorsement and objection is really a side-show for prods and speedies. The idea is that non-admins/unsure admins can leave a note saying that they think it's a good idea to delete it, without committing to deleting it.
[06:24:13] <Splarka>	ahh
[06:24:28] <Splarka>	Uncyclopedia used QVFD for that
[06:24:45] <Splarka>	(after beating people's brains into not adding {{delete}} to the page, thus undeleting it after it was already deleted}}
[06:25:06] <Splarka>	ballots?
[06:25:36] <Werdna>	Basically, endorsement and objection gives a rundown of who votes which way, and why.
[06:26:02] <Splarka>	plebiscites
[06:26:03] <Werdna>	Any real discussion goes on on the purpose-created Deletion namespace page.
[06:26:25] <Splarka>	but once you shorten the name, adding another button to the UI is easier
[06:26:43] <Splarka>	so, how will this work in the other skins?
[06:26:55] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, is this for XfDs or just AfDs?
[06:26:58] <Splarka>	cologneblue/nostalgia/standard
[06:27:28] <Splarka>	you should probably move all these into the content area as fieldset/legends
[06:27:43] <Splarka>	or fake tabs anyways
[06:28:02] <Splarka>	(using the cactions is just asking for trouble)
[06:28:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14920  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:29:37] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: everything.
[06:29:57] <Werdna>	Splarka: Surely cactions works in all skins...
[06:30:04] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, cool.
[06:30:15] <Splarka>	hmm, do they?
[06:30:26] <Werdna>	Splarka: how the hell else does an edit button appear?
[06:30:43] <Werdna>	Splarka: wait a sec, let me check
[06:30:58] <Splarka>	by it being in the skin's php I imagine ^_^
[06:30:59] <Werdna>	works in monobook
[06:31:02] <Werdna>	works in modern
[06:31:18] <Werdna>	works in chick
[06:31:28] <Splarka>	all template skins
[06:31:34] <Splarka>	nostaliga/cologneblue/standard
[06:31:47] <Splarka>	are the 3 iffy ones
[06:31:58] <Splarka>	as well as, of course, any new skins created in the wild
[06:32:35] <Splarka>	in nostalgia at the bottom of my user page as a sysop:
[06:32:36] <Splarka>	> Edit this page | Watch this page | Discuss this page | Page history | What links here | Related changes | User contributions | E-mail this user
[06:32:36] <Splarka>	Delete this page | Protect this page | Move this page
[06:32:39] <Werdna>	works in nostalgia
[06:32:48] <Splarka>	a mix of cactions and toolbox
[06:32:56] <Splarka>	that's good
[06:33:05] <Werdna>	works in cologneblue
[06:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create ipblock-exempt group on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14876  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:34:01] <TheFearow>	Why is standard not the default? It seems like a bit of an inappropriate name
[06:34:17] <Splarka>	hah
[06:34:30] <Splarka>	monobook's name comes from monochrome
[06:34:34] <Splarka>	does it look monochrome to you?
[06:34:42] <Werdna>	yes
[06:34:42] <Splarka>	and in a few years "modern" will seem like a stupid name
[06:34:56] <Splarka>	because it won't be
[06:35:48] <TheFearow>	Maybe they need more descriptive names, that describe them, like cologneblue, chick, and monobook
[06:36:10] <Splarka>	cologneblue isn't very blue except for the one bar, and doesn't smell nice
[06:36:11] <TheFearow>	Although they're impossible to rename, as it would throw out heaps of userscripts etc
[06:36:21] <Splarka>	chick is.. what is chick anyways? that the one made for portable devices?
[06:36:41] <Werdna>	yes
[06:36:58] <Splarka>	it has no default background color
[06:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 14693 Create "=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:39:46] <Charitwo>	!e TitleKey
[06:39:46] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleKey
[06:42:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Addition of en:Wikipedia:Changing_username to robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14793  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:43:15] <CIA-55>	03krimpet * r39049 10/trunk/extensions/Lua/Lua.body.php: Add support for Lua PECL extension
[06:44:10] <CIA-55>	03krimpet * r39050 10/trunk/extensions/Lua/Lua.i18n.php: Add support for Lua PECL extension - need to figure out how to check in more than one file at a time with emacs VC -_-
[06:44:30] *Werdna 	slaps Krimpet 
[06:44:53] <Werdna>	Krimpet: use command-line svn if you can't do it all in one revision from emacs
[06:44:55] <Krimpet>	Werdna, no Special:Slap yet? ;p
[06:45:06] <Werdna>	no, been busy on deletion queueing :)
[06:45:13] <Krimpet>	Werdna, I normally do. I tried to be brave and see if it would work this time
[06:49:42] <Krimpet>	hmm, emacs VC is so ancient I don't think it can. I'll have to whip up some special functions I suppose -_-
[06:50:27] <Krimpet>	oh, wait, C-x v d. :)
[06:51:12] *Werdna 	rolleyes :P
[06:56:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Portal namespace on Hungarian Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14748  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:59:17] <Malawar>	so, i want to add a link to an article on editing guidelines at the top of every edit page.. is there an easy way to do this?
[06:59:50] <MZMcBride>	Hmm.
[06:59:55] <MZMcBride>	An extension is probably best.
[06:59:59] <MZMcBride>	!matrix
[06:59:59] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[07:00:50] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Header_Footer maybe?
[07:01:28] <MZMcBride>	I think that one's only on view, though.
[07:01:33] <Splarka>	easy to add to the bottom, too, in MediaWiki:Edittools
[07:01:43] <Splarka>	or in javascript
[07:01:55] <Splarka>	if(wgAction == 'edit') addPortletLink()
[07:02:38] <MZMcBride>	I've wanted per-namespace and per-article notices for a long time. :-(
[07:02:46] <Splarka>	yah yah
[07:03:22] <Splarka>	and I've wanted a wfMsg called at the top of *every* edit page regardless of page size, user permission, page protection, page namespace, page type, editintro, or any of the dozen conditions that do have messages there
[07:03:24] <MZMcBride>	Are there bugs filed about that?
[07:03:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow Meta Checkusers/ Bureaucrats to grant & revoke IPBlockExempt status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14733  +comment (10jeluf)
[07:03:34] <Splarka>	you can't always get what you want
[07:04:01] <MZMcBride>	Bah. 
[07:04:01] <Splarka>	although...
[07:04:51] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Editing is the <h1> content on an edit page
[07:06:15] <Splarka>	but doesn't parse wikicode, bah
[07:07:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create proofread page namespaces on Greek Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14732  +comment (10jeluf)
[07:08:45] <Malawar>	i just hacked it in :/
[07:09:11] <Malawar>	going to have to remember it's there if i ever upgrade :P
[07:09:25] <Splarka>	you could make it an extension instead, maybe
[07:09:46] <Splarka>	heh, you could even make it javascript, but failsafe
[07:09:59] <Splarka>	in to MediaWiki:Sidebar you could add a new section called 'editing'
[07:10:03] <Splarka>	* Editing
[07:10:17] <Splarka>	** Project:Editing guidelines|Guidelines for editors
[07:10:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global sessions not working across domains - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14736  (10wiki)
[07:10:34] <Splarka>	and then have a javascript...
[07:11:03] <Splarka>	if(wgAction != 'edit' && wgAction != 'submit') appendCSS('#p-editing {display:none;}')
[07:11:15] <Splarka>	that would hide it by default for most browsers except when editing
[07:11:46] <Splarka>	the worst case would be it showing all the time
[07:11:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow per-article and per-namespace messages above edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (MZMcBride)
[07:14:11] <Krimpet>	MZMcBride, that's a good idea.
[07:14:33] <MZMcBride>	:-)
[07:14:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Monobook and flagged revisions and new SkinTemplate CSS don' t work well together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15025  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:14:58] <Splarka>	<MZMcBride> I've wanted per-namespace and per-article notices for a long time. :-(
[07:15:07] <Splarka>	actually, it was my idea, he just applied his idea to it
[07:15:23] <Splarka>	well, not exactly...
[07:15:28] <MZMcBride>	Bah!
[07:15:31] <MZMcBride>	Bah, bah, bah!
[07:15:32] <Splarka>	MZM: I think it'd be easlier to use my idea
[07:15:35] <MZMcBride>	No stealing!
[07:15:38] <Splarka>	have one message, but allow parser functions in it
[07:15:41] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39052 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Another go at extension CSS order
[07:15:41] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39051 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Filecache should check &useskin. This should be backported.
[07:15:52] <Splarka>	then you can #switch pagename and namespace
[07:15:56] <MZMcBride>	A 500-line #switch, one for each article? :)
[07:15:58] *Splarka 	grins
[07:16:06] <Splarka>	and how often would this be needed?
[07:16:16] <Splarka>	you want 2 million MediaWiki:Notice-edit-* ?
[07:16:20] <MZMcBride>	If it were available per-article, quite a bit, I imagine.
[07:16:23] <Splarka>	ew
[07:16:35] *Splarka 	wishes bugzilla had a PLEASEGODNO resolution
[07:16:42] *Splarka 	grins
[07:16:42] <MZMcBride>	Editing restrictions on certain articles are a bitch to implement because nobody knows they exist.
[07:17:05] <Splarka>	well, apparently AbuseFilter will solve all problems
[07:17:08] <MZMcBride>	You can put a notice at the top, but then people section edit.
[07:17:11] <MZMcBride>	Haha.
[07:17:23] <MZMcBride>	And HTML comments being used for messages to editors is plain eww.
[07:17:25] <Splarka>	Werdna: how about regex matching on editing pages for notices above the edit window in abuse filter
[07:17:38] *Splarka 	hides
[07:17:51] *MZMcBride 	growls.
[07:19:19] <Werdna>	Splarka: describe what you're on about?
[07:19:43] <Werdna>	bad use for abusefilter
[07:19:58] <Splarka>	well
[07:20:11] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: You think there's a real concern of over-use of the MediaWiki: namespace?
[07:20:12] <Splarka>	probably, it was half joking, but it sorta makes sense
[07:20:18] <Splarka>	MZM: yes
[07:20:26] <MZMcBride>	Meh. 
[07:20:29] <Splarka>	pollutes message cache, increases disk space
[07:20:31] <Werdna>	would /work/, but not a good use for it.
[07:20:33] <Splarka>	annoying
[07:20:46] <MZMcBride>	So fix the underlying issue. These would be messages, not the other cruft you hate.
[07:20:53] <Splarka>	werd: you could put warnings above certain articles about potential abuse etc
[07:21:01] *Splarka 	shrugs
[07:21:09] <Splarka>	MZM: how so? 
[07:21:20] <Splarka>	it isn't a bug, messages are streamlined to translate on the fly, so they are all cached
[07:21:36] <Splarka>	saying "it doesn't scale to my needs so is buggy" isn't accurate
[07:21:45] <MZMcBride>	This isn't using the MW: namespace for configuration, which is your usual issue. 
[07:21:48] <Splarka>	sorry, "issues"
[07:21:55] <Splarka>	my usual issue?
[07:22:03] <Splarka>	I think you mean "the" usual issue
[07:22:13] <MZMcBride>	Meh.
[07:22:19] <Splarka>	the worst abuse of MW namespace is using it for automagiocal protection of content
[07:22:29] <Splarka>	like javascript/css, gadgets for example
[07:22:44] <MZMcBride>	But this particular use is somewhat what the MW: namespace was designed for.
[07:22:45] <Splarka>	after that is site configuration, which does have some slight merit in message cache
[07:22:46] <MZMcBride>	Messages to the user.
[07:22:52] <Splarka>	sure, but it bloats it
[07:23:02] <MZMcBride>	The namespace or the cache?
[07:23:05] <Splarka>	I mean, this alone could potentally double the size on en.wp 
[07:23:05] <MZMcBride>	Or both?
[07:23:08] <Splarka>	the cache
[07:23:17] <MZMcBride>	So exempt certain pages from the cache?
[07:23:19] <Splarka>	I can easily imagine every article getting one
[07:23:21] <Splarka>	heh
[07:23:26] <MZMcBride>	Heh. That's absurd.
[07:23:32] <Splarka>	last time I suggested that to Tim, he stabbed me
[07:23:44] <Splarka>	"exclude all pages ending in .css or .js from the cache?" *stab*
[07:23:50] <MZMcBride>	I imagine the per-namespace one would be used for Template: and maybe Project:.
[07:23:53] <Splarka>	not literally, but you know
[07:23:59] <MZMcBride>	Per-article would be for specific issues.
[07:24:17] <Splarka>	anyway, I don't want to argue about it, I'll let someone WONTFIX your bug first ^_^
[07:24:22] *Splarka 	hides
[07:24:28] *MZMcBride 	stabs.
[07:24:31] <Splarka>	missed me
[07:24:39] *MZMcBride 	gets the bigger sword.
[07:25:02] <Krimpet>	I'll WILLFIX it. ;p
[07:25:22] <Splarka>	Krimpet: you're the newest committer, right?
[07:25:42] <Krimpet>	I believe so. :)
[07:25:59] <Splarka>	what percent of your commits have been reverted by brion?
[07:26:01] <AaronSchulz>	did he get hazed adequately yet?
[07:26:08] <MZMcBride>	She.
[07:26:19] <AaronSchulz>	ooooo, nice
[07:26:20] *MZMcBride 	looks at Splarka's recent commits.
[07:26:22] *Werdna 	hazes Krimpet 
[07:26:32] <Splarka>	hey now
[07:26:48] <Krimpet>	Splarka, one.
[07:26:53] <Splarka>	just saying, such a fundamental change to core editing pages by a noob committer is very likely to be reverted post-haste
[07:26:53] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: now now, she's already been sexually harassed, today.
[07:27:15] <AaronSchulz>	:(
[07:27:15] <Splarka>	Krimpet: "one" is not a percent, unless you mean a ratio
[07:27:23] <Krimpet>	Werdna, and your abusefilter did nothing. -_-
[07:27:28] <Krimpet>	Splarka, one commit period. :)
[07:27:33] <Krimpet>	out of... let's see...
[07:27:56] <Werdna>	Krimpet: It's not even installed
[07:28:20] <Splarka>	Werd: this sexual harassment, was it reverted?
[07:29:02] <Krimpet>	Splarka, one out of fifteen. 6%. :)
[07:29:25] <Splarka>	wanna make it 12.5%?
[07:29:38] <Werdna>	Splarka: yes, I reverted it and blocked them :)
[07:29:46] <Splarka>	sweet
[07:33:22] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Allow Meta Checkusers/ Bureaucrats to grant & revoke IPBlockExempt status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14733  +comment (10meno25wiki)
[07:39:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) arz.wikipedia has been approved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013   +shell; +comment (10meno25wiki)
[07:52:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow Meta Checkusers/ Bureaucrats to grant & revoke IPBlockExempt status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14733  +comment (10jeluf)
[07:53:28] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r39053 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add outdated count
[07:57:59] <James_F|Busy>	CheckUser is an extension still, yes? So bug reports should be filed under extensions?
[07:58:09] <Charitwo>	right
[07:58:51] <James_F|Busy>	'K. Thanks.
[07:58:51] <Werdna>	correct.
[07:58:59] <Werdna>	it's always been, and probably always will be an extension
[08:01:19] <TheFearow>	Hmmm, why is something that almost every other decent web software has by default, an extension for MediaWiki? (IP checking and perm deletion, being checkuser and oversight)
[08:01:50] <Werdna>	deletion is coming to core.
[08:01:52] <Werdna>	exists in core
[08:01:54] <Werdna>	just not turned on :)
[08:01:58] <Werdna>	(same problem your gf has)
[08:02:00] *Werdna 	ducks.
[08:02:13] <TheFearow>	I don't have a gf :)
[08:02:15] <SQLDb>	Hmm, is there something like $wgTitle->isTalkPage, but, for special pages?
[08:02:31] <Werdna>	TheFearow: well that's the problem :)
[08:02:33] <TheFearow>	And thats only hide-from-public isn't it, where admins can still view?
[08:02:46] <Werdna>	SQLDb: What do you mean?
[08:02:55] <TheFearow>	Werdna: Not likely to anyway :p
[08:03:34] <SQLDb>	Werdna: for instance, $wgTitle->isTalkPage() returns true if the page is a talkpage... yaknow, lemme look over the docs some more, surely I missed it.
[08:03:55] <Werdna>	SQLDb: but I don't get the special page thing..
[08:04:01] <Werdna>	you want to find out if a special page is a talk page?
[08:04:15] <SQLDb>	Werdna: no, I want to find out if the page is a special page
[08:04:18] <TheFearow>	SQLDb: You mean something like $wgTitle->isSpecialPage
[08:04:22] <TheFearow>	Just check namespace
[08:04:27] <SQLDb>	TheFearow: yeah, something like that
[08:04:30] <Werdna>	SQLDb: $wgTitle->getNamespace() == NS_SPECIAL
[08:04:39] <SQLDb>	I spose I could just check to see if the NS is < 0
[08:04:53] <SQLDb>	Werdna: that'll do nicely, thank you very much :)
[08:04:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use of Special: EmailUser should leave an entry on CU tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15103 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (james)
[08:05:08] <TheFearow>	Check it against the constant, then its futureproof if someone changes something (not that any sensible dev would)
[08:05:20] <SQLDb>	heh, good point
[08:05:50] <Werdna>	SQLDb: <0 uses MEDIA namespace as well.
[08:05:54] <Werdna>	ALWAYS compare with constants
[08:05:56] <Werdna>	THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THEM
[08:06:01] *James_F|Busy 	grins.
[08:06:01] <SQLDb>	Werdna: ahh, I hadn't thought about that, thanks.
[08:06:20] <James_F|Busy>	Bah. I had another CU feature request in the back of my head last night. What was it?
[08:06:28] <Werdna>	James_F|Busy: I don't know.
[08:06:34] <TheFearow>	And i've seen extensions which have used even lower namespaces for software-generated pages that werent in special, for some reason
[08:06:38] <James_F|Busy>	Werdna> Thanks. ;-)
[08:08:04] <SQLDb>	(For reference I'm working on bug 15079, and, discovered that my patch is marking special pages <body> tags as "ns-subject", I suppose in the grand scheme of things that really does not matter however, it's just the obsessive in me)
[08:09:18] <Splarka>	's why there should be ns-even (0, 2, 4 6), ns-odd (1,3,5,7), ns-neg (-1, -2, -3), less ambiguity
[08:09:32] <Splarka>	and then of course, ns-prime (2,3,5,7,11...)
[08:09:39] <SQLDb>	hehe
[08:09:58] *Splarka 	waits for fibonacci joke
[08:10:10] <MZMcBride>	Where's 9?
[08:10:22] <MZMcBride>	Poor MediaWiki_talk:. :(
[08:10:28] <Splarka>	how prime is 9?
[08:10:41] <MZMcBride>	Bah.
[08:10:54] <MZMcBride>	Not very.
[08:12:05] <TheFearow>	ns-deficient (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9)
[08:12:14] <TheFearow>	There, 9 gets one :)
[08:12:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mixup of patrol and patrolmark permission - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15104 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Patroller; (michael.frey)
[08:12:53] <Splarka>	ns-very-special-episode-of-blossom
[08:13:17] <MZMcBride>	I commented on NS integers on MW.org today.
[08:13:45] <TheFearow>	what would be a lot simpler than ns-special, ns-talk, ns-project etc is just ns-0, ns-1
[08:13:58] <TheFearow>	ANd let CSS hackers just learn the namespace ID table
[08:14:43] <Splarka>	indeed
[08:15:01] <Splarka>	which is already there, and the bug was wontfixed, but reopened..
[08:15:13] <Splarka>	some people just can't stand to be told no
[08:15:33] <MZMcBride>	We are the dreamers of dreams!
[08:15:35] <Splarka>	(or maybe it was wfm, or invalid)
[08:15:46] <Splarka>	MZM: spend some time in reality too ^_^
[08:15:56] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Mixup of patrol and patrolmark permission - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15104  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:16:00] <MZMcBride>	Why would one do that? 
[08:16:15] <Splarka>	for new input
[08:16:58] <Splarka>	dreams are memories allowed to imprint chemically as new experiences, but there is no actual new input (just reinterpretation of old data) if you don't have non-dream experiences
[08:17:08] <MZMcBride>	The snozberries taste like snozberries...
[08:17:26] <Splarka>	at least, this is the best reason I can find for not exterminating the human race
[08:17:35] <Splarka>	they provide input
[08:17:43] <MZMcBride>	Yay for input.
[08:19:47] <SQLDb>	heh
[08:28:24] <SQLDb>	well, here goes.
[08:29:18] <SQLDb>	(I hope it's appropriate to update RELEASE-NOTES for something so minor)
[08:30:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add class="ns-talk" / "ns-subject" to <body> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15079  +comment (10sxwiki)
[08:30:32] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) Create proofread page namespaces on Greek Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14732  (10jayvdb)
[08:30:56] *MZMcBride 	kicks CIA-55 
[08:31:57] *Charitwo 	eats CIA-55
[08:32:13] <Charitwo>	did they take those out? D:
[08:32:23] <MZMcBride>	I think the bot's non-responsive.
[08:32:42] <Krimpet>	CIA-55 *should* be heralding the commit of http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=39055 right now. ;p
[08:33:14] <Charitwo>	does it respond to a restart command
[08:33:16] <SQLDb>	I freakin hate my isp :/ "Unknown host svn.wikimedia.org"
[08:33:40] <MZMcBride>	Krimpet: <3
[08:36:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow per-article and per-namespace messages above edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102  +comment (10francine)
[08:36:47] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) 14693 Create "=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803  +comment (10jayvdb)
[08:41:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) arz.wikipedia has been approved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013  (10raimond.spekking)
[08:48:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 14693 Create "=?UTF-8?Q?=D0=98=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81?=" namespace on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14803  +comment (10jeluf)
[08:53:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global sessions not working across domains - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14736  +comment (10matthew.flaschen)
[08:54:08] <_wooz>	lo
[08:59:02] <barcalex>	hi, i need your help plz. i want to backup my wiki - with all the files and skins. the backup-help says that i need to place them into an archive file, such as a tar-file. how can i place this into such a tar-file ?
[09:01:47] <MinuteElectron>	Do you have shell access to your websites server?
[09:04:12] *SQLDb 	wonders why Skin::getSkinName( ) refers to most skins correctly, but, Nostalgia and Classic refer to themselves as standard
[09:06:04] <Splarka>	classic is standard
[09:06:12] <Splarka>	nostalgia isn't though
[09:06:24] *SQLDb 	goes to check again
[09:06:42] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Wikiquote directories for robots.txt. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15095  summary; +comment (10jackdt)
[09:06:46] <SQLDb>	yeah, it's deffo calling itself "standard"
[09:06:57] <Splarka>	you sure it is typed right?
[09:07:31] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?useskin=nostalgia
[09:07:37] <Splarka>	var skin = "nostalgia";
[09:07:47] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript" src="/w/index.php?title=-&amp;action=raw&amp;smaxage=0&amp;gen=js&amp;useskin=nostalgia"><!-- site js --></script>
[09:07:54] <Splarka>	it definitely knows its name
[09:08:10] <SQLDb>	is that grabbed with Skin::getSkinName( )?
[09:08:36] <Splarka>	$this-getSkinName()
[09:08:42] <Splarka>	in Skin.php
[09:08:43] <SQLDb>	interesting.
[09:09:11] <Splarka>	-> even
[09:09:29] <SQLDb>	ahh. I can't type.
[09:09:35] <SQLDb>	Why's that always the problem? :/
[09:09:45] <SQLDb>	thanks a ton (yet again) Splarka
[09:10:12] *Splarka 	did ask if it was typed right, suspected not
[09:10:17] <Splarka>	nostalilgila is hard to type!
[09:10:19] <Splarka>	so is colonblue
[09:10:30] <SQLDb>	hah, yeah.
[09:10:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wikiquote directories for robots.txt. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15095  -easy +shell; +comment (10jeluf)
[09:10:40] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[09:10:47] <SQLDb>	hi Nikerabbit :)
[09:10:47] <Charitwo>	hi
[09:14:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mixup of patrol and patrolmark permission - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15104  (10michael.frey)
[09:17:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mixup of patrol and patrolmark permission - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15104  (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:18:44] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Enable dynamic dates for tr.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7128  +comment (10jeluf)
[09:23:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Skins should add their name as a class in <body> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15052  +comment (10sxwiki)
[09:24:40] <SQLDb>	whoot, two in a row.
[09:25:04] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) portal update for wikipedia.be and wikipedia.nl - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7197  +comment (10jeluf)
[09:51:58] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r39059 10/trunk/extensions/ (40 files in 33 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-10 11:10 CEST)
[10:05:43] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[10:05:53] <Nikerabbit>	why I see two similar queries in a page view
[10:05:55] <Nikerabbit>	SQL: SELECT /* Database::select Nike */  *  FROM `bw_protected_titles`  WHERE pt_namespace = '0' AND pt_title = 'Sbzz'  
[10:06:00] <Nikerabbit>	and another identical with limit 1
[10:06:39] <Nikerabbit>	sorry no limit 1 in the other one either
[10:16:07] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r39060 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (218 files): 
[10:16:07] <CIA-55>	Localisation updates
[10:16:07] <CIA-55>	* Backport compatible localisation updates to REL1_13
[10:16:07] <CIA-55>	* Rebuild all files
[10:17:02] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r39061 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (208 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-10 11:10 CEST)
[10:25:59] <emijrp>	hi
[10:26:01] <emijrp>	a redirect page with 3 lines, count as an article in stats? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liquid_story_binder&diff=230889989&oldid=230889912
[10:26:08] <Werdna>	emijrp: yes.
[10:26:22] <Werdna>	emijrp: Whatever the URL in your browser is, is what's counted in stats
[10:27:26] <emijrp>	so Friendly must be improve it
[10:31:38] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r39062 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[10:31:39] <CIA-55>	* Whitespace fixes
[10:31:39] <CIA-55>	* Avoid running some queries multiple times by caching the result
[10:31:39] <CIA-55>	- Title::isDeleted is called twice when viewing a page that does not exist by SkinTemplate::buildContentActionUrls and Skin::getUndeleteLink
[10:31:39] <CIA-55>	- Title::getTitleProtections is called twice when viewing a page that does not exist by SkinTemplate::buildContentActionUrls and efUniversalEditLink
[10:40:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Polish diacritic marks not working in [[link]] s of this type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15105 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (nadolski-michal)
[10:47:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Polish diacritic marks not working in [[link]]s of this type - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15105  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:47:22] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r39063 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPl.php: 
[10:47:22] <CIA-55>	* (bug 15105) Restoring polish linktrail due to r38751
[10:47:22] <CIA-55>	- candidate for backporting
[10:52:18] <stv>	thx Nikerabbit
[10:53:11] <Nikerabbit>	??
[10:53:27] <stv>	that bug
[11:08:04] <kalila__>	what links to an image in mediawiki?  I don't wanna display it, I'd like to link to it.
[11:09:09] <Nikerabbit>	[[:image:foo]]
[11:19:49] <Luxo>	Hi, can I look somewhere the settings in LocalSettings.php of wikimedia:commons? is that in svn?
[11:22:05] <rainman-sr>	Luxo, no, it all in one config file and is not in svn, this is config file from march: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.html
[11:22:39] <Luxo>	ah ok thank you
[11:48:32] <Nikerabbit>	hi rainman-sr
[12:04:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Flagging box missing for diffs in Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15106 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[12:05:29] <tusho>	what is the option to turn off tracking of view count?
[12:07:15] <MinuteElectron>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableCounters
[12:07:27] <tusho>	thankees
[12:09:21] <tusho>	does anyone know of any skins even more minimal than Nostalgia? I made a nostalgia-based skin called nustalgia for a personal wiki that I like a lot
[12:09:48] <tusho>	it's just page title, the category list, the content, then a link o the main page, page history, about the wiki, and a search box
[12:09:58] <tusho>	essentially takes up 3 lines that isn't the content. Wondering if anyone else has done something similar
[12:29:34] <Jhs>	is there a way to customise the groupings in special:Specialpages?
[12:31:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow Commons CheckUsers & bureaucrats to grant and revoke ipblock-exemption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14507  +comment (10cometstyles)
[12:32:06] <Emufarmers>	Jhs: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSpecialPageGroups
[12:37:23] <Jhs>	Emufarmers, ok. i was hoping there was some MediaWiki: message to change, but i guess not
[12:39:22] <WaRpAtH>	like a Special:Special:Pages? XD XD
[12:41:18] <tusho>	special special pages: http://special.hackety.org/
[12:41:19] <tusho>	:P
[12:45:45] <Emufarmers>	Jhs: Maybe it should be a system message; you could make a feature request on Bugzilla
[12:46:22] <Jhs>	yeah..
[12:46:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[12:46:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  normal->high (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[12:50:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  15enhancement->major (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[12:57:38] <Werdna>	White_Cat: try now
[12:57:56] <White_Cat>	oh?
[12:57:59] <White_Cat>	pkay
[12:58:50] <White_Cat>	same error
[12:59:58] <Werdna>	what are you trying to move?
[13:00:53] <Werdna>	oh, duh
[13:02:28] <White_Cat>	Werdna merely trying to move a nomination page
[13:02:34] <Werdna>	yeah
[13:02:41] <White_Cat>	but it doesnt work elsewhere either
[13:02:52] <White_Cat>	I was unable to move several other pages
[13:02:57] <White_Cat>	but an admin was able to I think
[13:03:05] <White_Cat>	Reedy helped me by moving the pages for me
[13:03:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow Commons CheckUsers & bureaucrats to grant and revoke ipblock-exemption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14507  (10herbythyme)
[13:10:41] <Werdna>	White_Cat: I just ran all the regexes against that title
[13:11:15] <White_Cat>	Werdna oh?
[13:11:24] <Werdna>	no results :/
[13:11:29] <White_Cat>	of course
[13:11:33] <White_Cat>	no one protected pages
[13:11:45] <White_Cat>	:P
[13:11:49] <Werdna>	it's the title blacklist
[13:12:10] <White_Cat>	maybe wikipedia is blacklisted
[13:12:23] <White_Cat>	as in the string "wikipedia"
[13:12:35] <White_Cat>	or the namespace
[13:13:06] <Werdna>	shouldn't be
[13:13:09] <Werdna>	that would be pretty stupid
[13:27:19] <Zopieux>	hi
[13:27:57] <Zopieux>	i have a question about template parameters
[13:28:25] <Zopieux>	i would like to define a param. by both digit and name
[13:28:39] <Zopieux>	is it possible please?
[13:32:30] <White_Cat>	Werdna I know
[13:32:44] <White_Cat>	but I do not know why I cant move pages
[13:33:01] <Werdna>	Well, it's definitely the title blacklist
[13:33:30] <White_Cat>	you also told me regexes dont match
[13:33:35] <White_Cat>	how is that possible?
[13:42:51] <throwt2>	is there a way to embed a category list? maybe on the front page i want to display a subset of categories...
[13:43:50] <White_Cat>	Werdna can you verfy what you said on bugzilla?
[13:44:13] <Werdna>	I'm not comfortable enough with it. The script may not work exactly as the one in TitleBlacklist does
[13:48:22] <White_Cat>	hmm
[13:48:27] <White_Cat>	can you verify the bug? :/
[13:49:06] <Platonides>	Zopieux, make one fallback on the other
[13:49:17] <Zopieux>	ie. ?
[13:49:36] <Platonides>	{{{Parameter|{{{1}}} }}}
[13:49:42] <Zopieux>	hm okay
[13:50:16] <Zopieux>	i tried something like this, and when default is called, it writes raw text instead of paramater value :/
[13:50:39] <Zopieux>	maybe the space is needed
[13:50:40] <Zopieux>	thanks
[13:51:59] <Zopieux>	hm Platonides, can you help me with this template? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/81775/
[13:52:20] <Zopieux>	it gives an error: Template loop detected
[13:52:39] <Zopieux>	when used like {{wp|test}}
[13:54:21] <throwt2>	is [[Special:Categories]] able to specify a subcategory to limit its display?
[14:22:54] <flyingparchment>	Werdna: what about making the native parser a PHP extension?
[14:23:10] <flyingparchment>	this should be much faster: only need to parse once, and no fork overhead
[14:29:16] <flyingparchment>	something like: $p = new af_parser(); $p->parse("ONE < 2", array("ONE" => 1));
[14:29:26] <flyingparchment>	or $p = new af_parser("ONE < 2");
[14:45:49] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[14:59:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:02:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging box missing for diffs in Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15106  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:11:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:17:46] <flyingparchment>	CIA's broken again
[15:18:46] <AaronSchulz>	so every title is creation protected?
[15:33:49] <Mike_lifeguard>	doesn't look like that's titleblacklist - looks like actual create protection :\
[15:50:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (konstantinvad)
[15:51:40] <flyingparchment>	haha wat
[15:51:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	:O
[15:51:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  normal->highest (10konstantinvad)
[15:51:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	yay! bugzilla trolls XD
[15:52:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  (10konstantinvad)
[15:52:49] *Mike_lifeguard 	resists the desire to feeeed
[15:53:26] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  +comment (10majorly.wiki)
[15:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  (10konstantinvad)
[15:54:48] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  (10konstantinvad)
[15:55:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	I assume someone can get that to stop?
[15:55:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  (10konstantinvad)
[15:56:08] <Majorly>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108
[15:56:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	I wonder if bugzilla has Special:Blockip
[15:56:13] <Majorly>	can someone do something
[15:56:35] <^demon>	wtf?
[15:56:49] <^demon>	I never knew of any homophobia on Meta....
[15:56:55] *^demon 	rolls eyes
[15:57:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:57:08] <flyingparchment>	Majorly: i tried to fix the problem, but i got infected with gay and could not continue
[15:57:15] <Majorly>	:(
[15:57:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lgbt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15109 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (konstantinvad)
[15:57:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh come on
[15:57:45] <^demon>	flyingparchment: I am gay and tried to fix it....turned straight.
[15:57:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	:O
[15:57:56] <Emufarmers>	:|
[15:57:58] <^demon>	brion/tim/domas around?
[15:58:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lgbt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15109  (10konstantinvad)
[15:58:34] <^demon>	Resolved, dupe?
[15:58:35] <^demon>	haha.
[15:58:37] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Lgbt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15109  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:58:39] <^demon>	And I was about to mark it invalid.
[15:58:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	not invalid
[15:58:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:58:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	the otherone is a worksforme :D
[15:59:11] <Majorly>	oh my
[15:59:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	well it does
[15:59:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Homophobia on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15108  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:59:41] <^demon>	Removed your CC's from the troll bug.
[16:02:08] <^demon>	If only I could think of something to commit and say it was also fixing bug 15108.
[16:02:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol ^demon
[16:02:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	how about blanking Parser.php? :P
[16:02:30] *Jack_Phoenix 	runs
[16:03:13] <^demon>	"Blank Parser.php. Now gays can create accounts on meta free of homophobia"
[16:06:31] <Emufarmers>	Is $wgDBmysql5 still WARNING BREAKS THINGS CAUSES DEATH?
[16:07:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Do not create new directories with permission 777 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14593  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:07:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image directories vulnerable to other local users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11209  (10innocentkiller)
[16:09:46] <TaKaGaRi>	anyone know how i can install the GD and imagemagik?? i thnk i didnt when I installed at first, please help!!
[16:09:56] <^demon>	if ("$wgSQLiteDataDir" == '') $wgSQLiteDataDir = dirname($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']).'/data'; <- That looks odd :-\
[16:11:27] <AaronSchulz>	TaKaGaRi: xp or unix-like ?
[16:13:35] <TaKaGaRi>	pretty sure its a unix install
[16:13:46] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2003/03/27/php_gd.html
[16:14:17] <leonardo>	Jack_Phoenix: hi
[16:14:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey
[16:14:29] <leonardo>	i replied on imagetagging talk
[16:14:41] <TaKaGaRi>	also is there a way to turn a search/page into a forward to another page? I.E. Albino Spider / Spider Albino give the same page?
[16:14:52] <flyingparchment>	find bugs in the abusefilter parser: http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/expr?expr=1+%2B+1
[16:15:04] <leonardo>	any chance on the other requests?
[16:15:15] <leonardo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ImageTagging
[16:15:47] <AaronSchulz>	TaKaGaRi: use redirects in wikitext
[16:16:20] <AaronSchulz>	like #REDIRECT [[blah]]
[16:16:34] <AaronSchulz>	TaKaGaRi: did you follow http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binary-releases.php#unix ?
[16:17:17] <TaKaGaRi>	the install for this was automated through my Host, i am not 100% sur ewhat they followed
[16:17:28] <TaKaGaRi>	nor do i even think i have putty access for commands
[16:21:44] *^demon 	slaps CIA-56
[16:21:49] *^demon 	kicks CIA-56
[16:21:50] <CIA-56>	ow
[16:21:55] <^demon>	So you are there....
[16:21:58] <^demon>	Could've fooled me
[16:23:05] <^demon>	One of these days, we're gonna have it out CIA, and nobody will save you.
[16:23:14] <^demon>	;-)
[16:23:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	leonardo: imho, the way how the tags show up now is ok -- if it would show up when you hover your mouse over the image, it might be annoying for some people. in any case, ImageTagging is not too high on my to-do list nor I'm its original developer. it's a rather complicated mix of php and js and thus not exactly the easiest extension to work with. probably could use ajax instead of ordinary js, too.
[16:24:19] <leonardo>	hum
[16:24:36] <TaKaGaRi>	does Wiki offer a way to simply post an image?w ithout the thumbnailing
[16:24:48] <leonardo>	read my email?
[16:26:58] <leonardo>	Jack_Phoenix: I just need to say you think about the requests, and thanks for listen me. Did you read my email?
[16:27:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	yeah, I'm afraid I have more than enough of stuff to work on, so I won't be taking another project for now, sorry
[16:28:47] <leonardo>	ok
[16:28:51] <leonardo>	understand
[16:35:21] <TaKaGaRi>	hey i think i figured out how to isntall this imagemagcik thing :D
[16:35:33] <TaKaGaRi>	once its installed on the server do i have to do anything special to Wiki to make it use it?
[16:35:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Need some control over User:Redirect fixer ' s edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15110 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (happy_melon)
[16:37:08] <TheWoozle>	TaKaGaRi: there are a couple of LocalSettings.php settings...
[16:37:51] <TheWoozle>	$wgUseImageMagick = true;
[16:37:51] <TheWoozle>	$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";
[16:38:06] <TheWoozle>	!imagemagick
[16:38:06] --mwbot--	ImageMagick is a software which can be used with MediaWiki Image Administration. You can read more about it on <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>. ImageMagick is available from <http://imagemagick.org/>.
[16:45:31] <^demon>	SQLDb: In re: 39058....you used some logic that seems a bit excessive (correct me if I'm wrong here). In this pastey (http://pastey.net/93451), you used the top line. Would not the bottom line work the same with less code? I just don't see the point in checking isTalkPage() twice. :)
[16:46:18] <Platonides>	seems a good idea, ^demon :D
[16:47:08] <^demon>	My version worksforme :-)
[16:47:10] <SQLDb>	^demon: yeah, you're right.
[16:47:22] <^demon>	Give me a second, I'll commit. Already have it working :-)
[16:48:30] <^demon>	Done in r39073 (since CIA has decided to slack off ;-))
[16:48:33] <Emufarmers>	Werdna, could you take another look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5865 when you have a chance?
[16:48:53] <SQLDb>	^demon: Thanks :)
[16:49:01] <^demon>	np.
[16:49:51] <alnokta>	SQLDb, you wrote SxWiki.php , right?
[16:49:52] <hippietrail>	can api.php extensions only add new actions or can they add extra props to action=query ?
[16:50:16] <AaronSchulz>	imagetagging looks nice
[16:50:21] <SQLDb>	alnokta: yeah, the lite version, Gutza re-wrote the classed 'pro' version
[16:50:55] <^demon>	hippietrail: I really don't know the answer. I see you keep asking it and I would've figured somebody would've known by now.
[16:51:29] <hippietrail>	i'm not lucky enough to be here when roan is here for a few days
[16:51:47] <^demon>	I would want to say yes (but I really don't know). Maybe look at how ApiQuerySomething extends ApiQueryBase for an idea?
[16:51:54] <^demon>	I don't know though, shooting in the dark mostly :-)
[16:51:59] <alnokta>	SQLDb, where to get the latest version then? or it is deprecated
[16:52:44] <hippietrail>	is ApiQuerySomething an actual extension or an example made up name? (-:
[16:52:56] <SQLDb>	alnokta: I haven't messed with in in a few months, to be completely honest, the branch Gutza was working on seems to be far more popular, and, even I've started using that instead :P
[16:52:59] <^demon>	ApiQueryBlocks, ApiQueryCategories, etc.
[16:53:05] <TaKaGaRi>	i am getting images to iupload and show, but they are not thumbnailing. could someone help?
[16:53:42] <alnokta>	SQLDb, :) a link to Gutsa's?
[16:53:54] <SQLDb>	sure, sec
[16:54:05] <^demon>	hippetrail: They're all in ~/includes/api
[16:54:28] <SQLDb>	alnokta: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=212089 You want "pro" :)
[16:54:53] <alnokta>	SQLDb, thanks :)
[16:54:54] <AaronSchulz>	img_tagging doesn't use the prefix ;)
[16:55:03] <hippietrail>	demon: thanks i think they do what i've been thinking of
[16:55:23] <SQLDb>	np :)
[16:55:46] <hippietrail>	i have to install mediawiki soon to try hacking but with just an eeepc and wifi in a nearby cafe i keep putting it off
[16:56:33] <^demon>	I run trunk off my laptop. :-)
[16:57:38] <AaronSchulz>	E_STRICT errors
[16:58:51] <alnokta>	^demon, you grow mw trees on your laptop :P
[16:59:26] <^demon>	Three installs doesn't make a farm :-)
[16:59:27] <TaKaGaRi>	whats the command for a catagory in a cat? having a hard time finding it?
[17:00:43] <AaronSchulz>	leonardo: too bad it isn't like facebook, where you can drag the tag area ;)
[17:01:21] <AaronSchulz>	Strict Standards: Declaration of Image::newFromTitle() should be compatible with that of LocalFile::newFromTitle() in C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\includes\filerepo\Image.php on line 8
[17:02:20] <hippietrail>	^demon: now that i dig further i see i want to add a new rvprop or several
[17:03:24] <^demon>	hippetrail: I guess? I'm guessing here...
[17:04:37] <hippietrail>	i can't immediately see a way to add one but the api code is not the easiest for the unanointed to read
[17:09:39] <hippietrail>	battery low gotta go!
[17:09:52] <^demon>	That rhymed :-)
[17:12:15] <alnokta>	what importImage.php does that i cannot do manually?
[17:18:21] <Dantman>	alnokta: Create complex rows in the database that most people aren't insane enough to attempt creating by hand in a way that'll likely break their wiki?
[17:18:31] <MaxSem>	lol, that Russian troll discovered bugzilla
[17:18:49] <^demon>	MaxSem: I tried very hard, but I couldn't track down the bug.
[17:19:18] <alnokta>	Dantman, uhm, but DH keeps killing me with no mercy, it doesn't give the script a chance.
[17:32:07] <chili_con_carne>	hola I just finished downloading a wikidump and (I already know why...) the md5sum does not match... what would be next step in fixing my problem?
[17:33:08] <chili_con_carne>	is there anyway to repair it?
[17:33:27] <Reedy>	is it valid xml, etc?
[17:33:36] <Reedy>	are you sure the md5 sum on teh site right?
[17:33:41] <Reedy>	*is right
[17:34:51] <chili_con_carne>	ok im getting "enwiki-20080724-pages-articles.xml.bz2" file from "http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20080724/enwiki-20080724-pages-articles.xml.bz2
[17:35:41] <chili_con_carne>	", and I did md5sum comparison with winMD5SUM (winblows tool that does md5sum checks graphically) and it does not match, I then tried 7-zip and suchs that archive is broken
[17:36:01] <chili_con_carne>	I used wget to download it and -c (continue option to finish download over a period of several days
[17:36:30] <chili_con_carne>	I lost power once and I think that may be the culprit (in addition to people disconnecting my from internet randomly....
[17:36:45] <chili_con_carne>	s/suchs/says
[17:37:35] <chili_con_carne>	im getting the md5sum from the website I downloaded the dump from (same one ;) )
[17:44:34] <chili_con_carne>	no solution? or what?
[17:45:56] <Reedy>	tbh, its not really relevant to this channel, its more #wikimedia-tech
[17:50:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[17:52:46] <Saraphin>	hello?
[17:53:11] <carl-m>	hello, what's up? 
[17:53:46] <Saraphin>	trying to figure out about an error that's coming up when we try to do thumbnails
[17:54:28] <Saraphin>	i'm not very good with stuff like this. so I am so lost.
[17:55:10] <Saraphin>	"Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory" I have no clue why it would suddenly just be gone
[17:55:40] <carl-m>	so it used to work, and now it doesn't? convert is part of the imagemagick program - double check that that is installed
[17:55:59] <Saraphin>	alright
[17:56:45] <carl-m>	I get this: $ /usr/bin/convert  -version
[17:56:51] <MaxSem>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing
[17:56:52] <carl-m>	Version: ImageMagick 6.3.7 05/02/08 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org
[17:57:12] <MaxSem>	@dump
[17:57:12] --mwbot--	A dump is now available at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html
[17:57:24] *Saraphin 	nods
[18:02:05] <Saraphin>	thank you I'm gonna go try this...hopefully this will fix it! thank you again
[18:29:37] <leonardo__>	Jack_Phoenix: Whatlinkshere doesn't work on tagged images
[18:30:11] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Configure additional import sources on Italian projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11171  +comment (10wim_c_b)
[18:30:15] <leonardo__>	i added a tag to an article and when i went to see whatlinkshere on this article, doesn't show the image
[18:30:15] <Jack_Phoenix>	how does it not work? anyway, as said...not my top priority. feel free to post it on extension talk:ImageTagging or something
[18:30:29] <leonardo__>	right
[18:32:46] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[18:33:49] <ialex>	hi Nikerabbit
[18:33:59] <alnokta>	how to fix that error? Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 54 bytes) in /var/www/wiki/extensions/OggHandler/PEAR/File_Ogg/File/Ogg.php on line 381
[18:34:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PATCHES - moving Wikimedia only stuff from LanguageXx. php to InitialiseSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14294  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:34:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) LanguageXx.php files contain WMF specific settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14165  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:35:45] <Emufarmers>	alnokta: Increase PHP's memory limit
[18:36:21] <alnokta>	Emufarmers, memory_limit	100M	100M
[18:36:31] <Emufarmers>	What?
[18:36:42] <alnokta>	what what?
[18:36:59] <alnokta>	it is 100MB now, do i increase exec time too?
[18:37:10] <Emufarmers>	Obviously it is not 100MB
[18:37:27] <Emufarmers>	If it were 100MB, you would not be getting an error saying it's 20MB
[18:38:34] <alnokta>	it says so in through info.php (phpinfo();)
[18:39:33] <Emufarmers>	And what version of PHP does phpinfo() say you're running?
[18:39:56] <alnokta>	PHP Version 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.2
[18:40:25] <OverlordQ>	and is that info.php in the same folder as mediawiki?
[18:40:44] <alnokta>	nope 
[18:40:57] <alnokta>	let me put another one in wiki root
[18:40:57] <OverlordQ>	try putting it there and see what you get
[18:42:05] <alnokta>	yep, same output
[19:00:25] <alnokta>	still the same error, i killed all of them and it still says 20971520 bytes ;)
[19:04:45] *ialex 	kills CIA-56
[19:04:45] *CIA-56 	dies
[19:05:07] <ialex>	why don't you report anything? :(
[19:05:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	call the FBI ;-)
[19:05:29] *ialex 	stabs Jack_Phoenix
[19:05:38] <Jack_Phoenix>	ow
[19:29:15] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39079 10/trunk/extensions/ (11 files in 6 dirs): Add localisation of special pages for Asksql, BadImage, CategoryIntersection, ContributionScores, Contributors
[19:29:37] <ialex>	\o/
[19:29:47] <ialex>	it works!
[19:37:29] <Emufarmers>	brion_: Is what's on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDBmysql5 still true?
[19:39:28] <brion_>	let's find out :D
[19:39:47] <Emufarmers>	o,o
[19:39:48] <brion_>	i believe it's now the default, so not so much experimental
[19:40:05] <Emufarmers>	Yeah, I noticed that: It still defaults to false in DefaultSettings, but new installations have it set to true in LocalSettings
[19:40:34] <Emufarmers>	I'm curious because I've noticed some instances of people reporting that their permissions tables were corrupted
[19:40:40] <Emufarmers>	Like http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8249
[19:40:52] <Skizzerz>	oyeah... I finished coding a maintenance script for that too
[19:41:01] <Skizzerz>	haven't tested it yet though :P
[19:41:40] <Skizzerz>	I think the issue is that the field isn't treated as a varchar or something
[19:48:43] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39080 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:48:43] <CIA-56>	Cleanup for r39054 "Bug 15079, 'Add class="ns-talk" / "ns-subject" to <body>', also added ns-special for special pages."
[19:48:43] <CIA-56>	* Avoid code duplication between Skin and SkinTemplate
[19:48:43] <CIA-56>	* Encapsulate namespace class logic into one function
[19:48:43] <CIA-56>	* Split giant huge line of ?:s with legible code :)
[19:50:16] <Skizzerz>	er... s/varchar/varbinary/ after I look @ the schema... although the field is listed as varbinary it appears that it pads it with null bytes occassionally
[19:51:17] <brion_>	Skizzerz: it used to be a CHAR field
[19:51:22] <brion_>	ie not VAR
[19:51:36] <Skizzerz>	ah
[19:52:31] <Dantman>	brion: Were we using phpDocumentor or Doxygen?
[19:52:31] <brion>	somebody's been using my nick :)
[19:52:46] <ialex>	Dantman: doxygen
[19:52:48] <brion>	long lon gago we used phpdocumentor, we switched to doxygen at least a couple years ago
[19:52:49] <Skizzerz>	brion: /ns ghost :)
[19:52:55] <Dantman>	awww... ok
[19:52:56] <brion>	Skizzerz: already did :)
[19:53:14] <alnokta>	brion, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GerardM#List_of_Wikipedias_in_indian_languages we should make it configurable for each language :)
[19:53:41] <Dantman>	I started using phpDocumentor for my projects... I was debating on having some fun and turning MonoBook into a template for documentation...
[19:56:31] <brion>	alnokta: made a reply there
[19:57:51] <alnokta>	brion, ok
[20:01:11] <skghgsksg>	ssbskjs
[20:01:51] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39081 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 
[20:01:51] <CIA-56>	Revert r39055 for now "Optional 'edit notices' on a per-namespace and per-page basis, per feature request 15102"
[20:01:51] <CIA-56>	Sanitizer::escapeClass() isn't really suitable for constructing message key
[20:01:51] <CIA-56>	names; a lot of names won't be easy to predict and it would be difficult for
[20:01:51] <CIA-56>	people to set up a custom message for, say, a page name containing punctuation
[20:01:54] <CIA-56>	or non-ASCII characters.
[20:01:56] <CIA-56>	The check for message availability is using wfMsgForContent() for the content language, but then the output is done via $wgOut->addWikiMsg() which will use the UI language. Is this the desired behavior?
[20:02:47] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Allow per-article and per-namespace messages above edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102  +comment (10brion)
[20:08:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	brion, regarding r38122 (http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38122) -- would it be ok to pass MovePageForm object($this), old page title ($ot) and new page title ($nt), just the way how 'SpecialMovepageAfterMove' hook does?
[20:08:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	err, assuming I move the hook a few lines below :P
[20:10:49] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39082 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:10:49] <CIA-56>	More style cleanup -- encapsulate the page name class along with the naemspace classes.
[20:10:50] <CIA-56>	* Reduce code duplication
[20:10:50] <CIA-56>	* Fix Modern class since my last commit
[20:10:50] <CIA-56>	* Update offline skin for DumpHTML
[20:11:30] <brion>	Jack_Phoenix: well if you're trying to hook into moving in general, you should check whether this will actually apply to the edit api first :)
[20:11:56] <brion>	otherwise your blacklist plugins won't apply to people using the edit api if it's on
[20:12:07] <brion>	but if you want something that's specificall a ui hook, then i guess that's ok
[20:12:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	I have no idea about the API to be honest or how to work with it
[20:12:54] <brion>	:)
[20:13:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Confusion with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10pbirken)
[20:13:28] <Emufarmers>	brion, can you take a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5865 ?
[20:15:19] <brion>	Emufarmers: the patch looks bad -- it looks like it was cut-and-pasted from a terminal
[20:15:24] <brion>	a) tabs are turned into spaces
[20:15:30] <brion>	b) long lines are cut off
[20:15:51] <Duesentrieb>	bug #14557 is just the kind of stuff why flagged revs scare me.
[20:15:51] <Emufarmers>	oops
[20:15:56] <brion>	additionally that giant four-line statement which sets the value of $3editingOTP at least twice is a bit illegible
[20:15:56] <siebrand>	Emufarmers / brion: it's also annoying to have warnings everywhere.
[20:16:06] <Duesentrieb>	they add another dimension of complexity to the entire sytem :/
[20:16:31] <Duesentrieb>	i was all for them, but the longer i look at it, the more it mykes my skin crawl...
[20:16:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusion with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10pbirken)
[20:16:46] <brion>	use $wgOut->addWikiMsg() rather than an HTML message here
[20:16:55] <brion>	i'm not sure i like the idea of a warning personally anyway note :)
[20:17:13] <Emufarmers>	Ok...to be honest, all but one line of the patch was just Rob's from two years ago o,o
[20:17:14] <brion>	it's also possible the username check here is just totally wrong, it's hard to tell since it's cut off
[20:17:29] <siebrand>	it's been closed WONTFIX before. I'd say do that again.
[20:17:48] <siebrand>	or add it, disabled by default.
[20:18:06] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39083 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/ (ipvs.py monitor.py monitors/proxyfetch.py pybal.py): 
[20:18:06] <CIA-56>	Rewrote most of the server adding/modification/removal handling code, fixing
[20:18:06] <CIA-56>	several bugs and halving it in size (What crack was I smoking when I wrote
[20:18:06] <CIA-56>	that!?). Also improved monitor reporting, implemented configurable depool
[20:18:06] <CIA-56>	thresholds, and prepared resolving of realserver hostnames internally (but this
[20:18:08] <CIA-56>	remains disabled for now).
[20:18:10] <Emufarmers>	How often do people have a legitimate reason to edit somebody else's user page?
[20:18:31] <siebrand>	Emufarmers: in which context?
[20:18:52] <siebrand>	Emufarmers: I edit user pages quite often.
[20:18:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusion with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  (10sebmol)
[20:18:54] <Skizzerz>	if they categorise the page in various categories that are reserved for actual content might be a good example :)
[20:18:59] <Duesentrieb>	brion: can you think of a good general solution to 14557, except "live with it"? multiply all link tables?
[20:19:00] <Jack_Phoenix>	someone might want to fix a typo/broken template/formatting or something
[20:19:38] <Emufarmers>	Do you think the annoyance of the error message outweighs the benefits?
[20:19:52] <alnokta>	yes
[20:20:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lots of images have disappeared from ku.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15111 major; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (erdal.ronahi)
[20:20:47] <Nikerabbit>	hi brion
[20:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image, category pages list both draft and stable links, mixed together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  summary; +comment (10brion)
[20:22:46] <brion>	Duesentrieb: only way i can think of really handling it right would indeed be to either duplicate or version the link tables, so both stable and draft versions can be listed distinctly. this feels a bit uggy, but might be easier with a general redo of the link tables (if that's a good thing, which it may or may not be)
[20:23:17] <Skizzerz>	brion: btw, can you check out http://cabal.pastey.net/93459 ? It's a maintenance script I wrote that fixes issues with the user_groups table when the upgrade that changed the type for ug_group from char to varbinary takes place (thus causing all existing entries to be right-padded with \0)
[20:23:43] <Skizzerz>	I still need to run a few tests on it, but if you think it's a good idea I'd like to put it into core
[20:23:47] <Duesentrieb>	brion:  well, it seems like the Right Thing from an ER point of view. If it is in practice... i'm not sure.
[20:24:04] <brion>	*shudder* :D
[20:24:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:24:24] <brion>	Skizzerz: sec
[20:25:29] <Simetrical>	We have giant revision tables that store all revisions ever.  Why not giant links tables that store all links ever?  :)
[20:25:35] <brion>	Skizzerz: i think you can simplify it by removing some things like the master option; user_groups is usually a fairly small table, there's no real reason to try offloading load on a check like this
[20:25:45] <Skizzerz>	ok
[20:25:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki map update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12763  +comment (10greenreaper)
[20:26:41] <brion>	Skizzerz: check also if you can do it all in one DB query -- is there a TRIM-like string function available in myqsl?
[20:26:50] <Skizzerz>	hmm, that I don't know
[20:26:57] *Skizzerz 	checks google
[20:27:05] <brion>	i don't see th eneed for the update versus delete/insert option -- this seems like needless complication
[20:27:29] <brion>	            $db->delete('user_groups', array("ug_user='{$row->ug_user}'", "ug_group='{$row->ug_group}'"));  
[20:27:40] <Skizzerz>	yes, there is
[20:27:42] <brion>	^^ bad construction here, use the arrays like on the next line and it should be fine
[20:27:45] <brion>	            $db->update('user_groups', array("ug_group='$group'"), array("ug_user='{$row->ug_user}'", "ug_group='{$row->ug_group}'"));   here too
[20:28:00] <Skizzerz>	ok
[20:28:31] <brion>	and the base problem is that this will only fix your table after you've already fixed the column type -- if it's still suck as CHAR/BINARY the values will just get padded right back
[20:28:44] <Skizzerz>	hmm, true
[20:28:51] <brion>	i'd recommend turning it into an updater module that you can throw into updaters.inc so it gets run automatically on upgrade
[20:28:51] <Skizzerz>	I'll rework the script a bit :)
[20:29:06] <brion>	do a chekc for the column type, fix it if necessary, and issue the updates
[20:29:11] <Skizzerz>	ok
[20:29:54] <Dantman>	eek... rawsql
[20:30:14] <Dantman>	Though... ^_^ RawSQL(...); ftw
[20:30:40] <Skizzerz>	Dantman: uh, what? I don't have raw sql in there... or at least I shouldn't
[20:31:08] <Dantman>	"ug_group='$group'" <- Raw sql
[20:31:23] <Dantman>	'ug_group' => $group
[20:31:26] <Skizzerz>	yeah, that got fixed :P
[20:31:30] <Dantman>	mhmm
[20:31:35] <Skizzerz>	as per the above comments
[20:32:54] <Dantman>	brion: You remember the comment about a RawSql class? ^_^ I actually have a database abstraction system making active use of that.
[20:34:47] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Actually, I also have an interesting markup abstraciton library making use of a 'RawMarkup' class... quite interesting
[20:34:59] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39084 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[20:34:59] <CIA-56>	Revert r39062 "Avoid running some queries multiple times by caching the result"
[20:34:59] <CIA-56>	This complicates the code with extra internal caching for extremely rare cases (a couple extra queries on non-existent pages).
[20:37:06] <Dantman|FS>	$ml->a( $url, "<img src=\"$src\" />' ); vs. $ml->a( $url, $ml->img( $src ) ); ^_^ In a beautifull little trick, the former ends up with escaped text, yet the latter is actually a image in a link, heh
[20:37:15] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39085 10/trunk/extensions/ (128 files in 115 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[20:39:05] <CIA-56>	03river * r39086 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (40 files in 2 dirs): 
[20:39:05] <CIA-56>	- using leaf_node_t includes the skip parser in the parsed token, causing expressions like (1 == ONE) to fail. use reduced_node_t instead
[20:39:05] <CIA-56>	- add regression test framework and some basic tests
[20:44:58] <brion>	scap time comes
[20:48:33] <Nikerabbit>	yay
[20:48:38] <CIA-56>	03river * r39087 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (maketest.cpp runtests.sh): fix tests on linux/gcc 4.3
[20:49:30] <flyingparchment>	unix sucks.
[20:49:32] <CIA-56>	03river * r39088 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/runtests.sh: re-fix tests on solaris too
[20:50:58] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39089 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/ (pybal.py util.py): Move ConfigDict to module util
[21:08:42] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39090 10/trunk/extensions/Lua/ (Lua.hooks.php Lua.php Lua.wrapper.php Lua_body.php): Converted to
[21:08:44] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39091 10/trunk/pybal/ (TODO pybal/pybal.py): Fix bug in global config reading, update TODO
[21:10:07] <CIA-56>	03river * r39092 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (17 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:10:07] <CIA-56>	- fray::find(fray, size_type) was broken, caused infinite recursion in count()
[21:10:08] <CIA-56>	- advance last_pos in count() by the size of the matched needle
[21:10:08] <CIA-56>	- add tests for all built-in functions
[21:13:19] <VasilievVV>	flyingparchment: AbuseFilter wasn't actually in active use, but its parsing part was rewritten 4 times :)
[21:13:46] <CIA-56>	03leon * r39093 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:13:46] <CIA-56>	* some more UI simplification: in the most common configuration (like
[21:13:46] <CIA-56>	 the one used on dewiki) we now have a user interface that just
[21:13:46] <CIA-56>	 provides a single button ("sight" r "unsight")
[21:13:46] <CIA-56>	* allow the commenting feature to be switched off (the box was removed
[21:13:46] <CIA-56>	 using javascript before)
[21:14:43] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39094 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/pybal.py: Use ConfigDict instead of normal dict
[21:15:01] <flyingparchment>	VasilievVV: 4?  once to C++, once to spirit... the AST wasn't really a rewrite ;)
[21:15:53] <VasilievVV>	flyingparchment: also, from (&: cond1; cond2) to (cond1 & cond2)
[21:16:10] <flyingparchment>	that's icky
[21:22:07] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39095 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/SpecialGlobalBlock.php: display errors on form submit instead of showing a blank page
[21:23:50] <siebrand>	LeonWP: would you mind putting some documentation on http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Revreview-submitbutton-set-flag/qqq&action=edit and http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Revreview-submitbutton-unset-flag/qqq&action=edit
[21:28:31] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39096 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/SpecialGlobalBlock.php: fix expiry input
[21:31:31] *MZMcBride 	kicks wikibugs 
[21:32:01] <VasilievVV>	brion: is it about to be installed? ^)
[21:35:30] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39097 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: code cleanup
[21:39:43] <AaronSchulz>	LeonWP: did you see bug 15106 ?
[21:40:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update demonstration WMF config files more regularly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12685  (10N/A)
[21:41:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need some control over User:Redirect fixer 's edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15110  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:41:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global sessions not working across domains - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14736  (10N/A)
[21:48:42] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39098 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Some light cleanup
[21:50:34] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39099 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (GlobalBlocking.php SpecialGlobalBlockList.php): 
[21:50:35] <CIA-56>	* Fix usage of wrong variable for expiry in block notice in GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.php
[21:50:35] <CIA-56>	* Clean up horrible horrible permission checks which are 1000 times more complicated than they should be. We have User::isAllowed() for a reason, kids :)
[21:50:35] <CIA-56>	* Clean up some more warning spam on list when not all perms are available
[21:57:23] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Page moves no longer work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:59:08] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: so that was the blacklist?
[21:59:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10brion)
[21:59:34] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: damn local sysops and their changing of interface messages.
[21:59:46] <AaronSchulz>	and fucked up regexps
[22:00:05] <AaronSchulz>	that message sounded like title protection from creation, not blacklist
[22:00:25] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: well, not my problem. They have a right to fuck up their wiki.
[22:01:18] <WaRpAtH>	O_O
[22:02:20] <CIA-56>	03dale * r39100 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/includes/ (MV_Hooks.php MV_Settings.php): fixes for updated skin
[22:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow per-article and per-namespace messages above edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102  (10siebrand)
[22:05:22] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39101 10/trunk/routing/twistedbgp/src/bgp.py: Do not call the factory's connectionClosed method from FSM._errorClose(), this will automatically be done by Protocol.connectionLost when the connection is shutdown.
[22:06:05] *AaronSchulz 	wonders what mark is building down there
[22:06:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CentralAuth should gracefully handle browsers rejecting third party cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14736  summary; +comment (10Platonides)
[22:07:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges doesn't keep state when switching show/hide bots , registered, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15101  normal->high; +comment (10siebrand)
[22:08:04] <Platonides>	alnokta, mediawiki used to increade the memory size
[22:08:53] <Platonides>	so in this case it may be actually decreasing it
[22:09:22] *Platonides 	shouldn't be answering issues of several hours ago...
[22:10:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad regexes make the at least some of the blacklist get ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15099  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:12:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please add a new namespace in Persian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15097   +shell (10siebrand)
[22:17:27] <alnokta>	Platonides, so how to make it increase it?
[22:17:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add (watch) to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15093  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:19:42] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39102 10/trunk/routing/twistedbgp/src/bgp.py: Fix some debug messages
[22:21:22] *AaronSchulz 	watches mark
[22:21:28] <AaronSchulz>	what is he building over there!
[22:22:25] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39103 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtModel.php: 
[22:22:25] <CIA-56>	(bug 13908) Make LiquidThreads work on subpages
[22:22:25] <CIA-56>	Submitted by: Jim Tittsler
[22:23:10] <TaKaGaRi>	how do i have my pages show images as thumbnails?? my special:Newimages page shows thumb nails but if i use the [[image: tage, they show full sized on the page??
[22:24:02] <Duesentrieb>	TaKaGaRi: so use [[image:foo|thumb|some text]]
[22:24:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LiquidThreads uses deprecated addPrimaryWikiText() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14041  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:24:15] <Duesentrieb>	!thumbnails | TaKaGaRi
[22:24:15] --mwbot--	TaKaGaRi: For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[22:24:24] <Duesentrieb>	!images | TaKaGaRi
[22:24:24] --mwbot--	TaKaGaRi: For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images>. For more technical details about image uploads, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads>. Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads).
[22:24:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) LiquidThreads does not work on subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13908  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:24:53] <Duesentrieb>	TaKaGaRi: or just look at the wiki text of any page on wikipedia where you see thumbnails...
[22:25:50] <TaKaGaRi>	i have been trying
[22:25:59] <TaKaGaRi>	evenf ormatting the pages is hard
[22:29:07] <Platonides>	alnokta, look for that ini_set statement and remove it (or change its value)
[22:30:44] <TaKaGaRi>	i figured out the thumbs, thank you. could someone direct me to the proper method of formatting pages?
[22:33:30] <alnokta>	Platonides, how do i look?
[22:33:32] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39104 10/trunk/routing/twistedbgp/src/bgp.py: Fix notification debug message
[22:34:45] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Fatal error: Call to a member function article() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14750  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:35:03] <CIA-56>	03mfarag * r39105 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add special page aliases for ar and arz
[22:36:16] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Authorprotect for threads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14760  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:37:15] <TaKaGaRi>	!redirect
[22:37:15] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "redirect".
[22:37:22] <TaKaGaRi>	!forward
[22:37:22] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "forward".
[22:38:59] <CIA-56>	03mfarag * r39106 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleAdSense/GoogleAdSense.i18n.php: Remove dupe author entry
[22:40:33] <alnokta>	Platonides, where do you go
[22:41:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LiquidThreads uses deprecated addPrimaryWikiText() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14041  (10siebrand)
[22:42:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Strict Standards issues in LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15112 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (siebrand)
[22:44:39] <alnokta>	sibrand on a roll 
[22:45:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) default action is not to create new thread (no subject) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15092  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:45:59] <Sirisian>	is there a way to look at all the articles that have the {{incomplete}} tag in them?
[22:47:17] <MZMcBride>	Sirisian: Special:WhatLinksHere/Incomplete
[22:47:27] <MZMcBride>	Err... Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete
[22:47:56] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39107 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): backport some fixes
[22:48:30] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Categories should not be able to include themselves - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15088  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:48:37] <Sirisian>	MZMcBride, thanks.
[22:48:58] <MZMcBride>	No problem.
[22:50:14] <TheWoozle>	Is it just me, or are there two different pages with different documentation on the same subject?
[22:50:15] <TheWoozle>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[22:50:29] <TheWoozle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[22:50:49] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Random article familiar with one's tastes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15086  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:51:04] <TheWoozle>	The meta page mentions at least one tag not mentioned on the mediawiki.org page; I haven't done a thorough comparison yet.
[22:51:16] <TheWoozle>	But anyway... shouldn't these be marked for merging or something?
[22:54:54] <siebrand>	Werdna: ping?
[22:56:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to home wiki in Special:GlobalUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15078  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:58:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Per-book stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15075  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:00:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List, count and search all books - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15074  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:02:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Create a set of special pages for handle meta-organization of books - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15073  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:04:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibooks custom database schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071  -schema-change ; +comment (10siebrand)
[23:04:52] <Charitwo>	siebrand is busy today
[23:06:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to home wiki in Special:GlobalUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15078  +comment (10Platonides)
[23:06:54] <alnokta>	TheWoozle, yes merge meta page to mediawiki page and add redirect template in meta page
[23:07:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibooks custom database schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10siebrand)
[23:07:33] <piksi>	can i modify the upload page textarea to fit a static maxwidth wiki without touching the actual source (so that changes persist between updates)?
[23:07:35] <TheWoozle>	Is there a handy-dandy template to suggest the merge? I don't have time to do the actual merge at the moment, but might do it later.
[23:07:44] <siebrand>	Charitwo: well, I thought I might as well contribute a bit to bugzilla. Not enough triaging in there.
[23:07:51] <Charitwo>	yep
[23:08:13] <Charitwo>	though if someone wanted to be productive, they could update the docs and pages at the mediawiki.org wiki :3
[23:08:46] <MinuteElectron>	bugzilla is more important
[23:09:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to home wiki in Special:GlobalUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15078  (10siebrand)
[23:10:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibooks custom database schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071  +comment (10Platonides)
[23:10:20] <siebrand>	Hmm, I think it would be nice if I could assign issues to a 'pool' of volunteer developers for development.
[23:10:59] <Platonides>	that would be in line with the recent discussion on wikitext
[23:10:59] <siebrand>	now I only have "no one for core", "find a taker on IRC", "assign to extension developer", "do nothing".
[23:11:05] <mark>	I think it would be nice if I could assign my work to a pool of volunteers, and then go on holiday, too.
[23:11:07] <Platonides>	*wikitech
[23:11:27] <siebrand>	mark: geen vakantie voor jou. Werken!
[23:11:33] <Platonides>	mark, you probably can
[23:11:44] <Platonides>	you're just assigning the pay as well ;)
[23:11:51] <mark>	pfft, I've done work every awake hour of this weekend already :(
[23:12:05] <siebrand>	mark: so? ;)
[23:12:50] <AaronSchulz>	mark isn't even human
[23:14:05] <Platonides>	siebrand, you're making me to search the bug number :P
[23:14:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow <ref>s from multiple pages to be collected into one < references/> on another page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15070  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:14:22] <MZMcBride>	Search by component. :P
[23:14:24] <siebrand>	Platonides: yes. Be precise.
[23:14:34] <Platonides>	i remember there was such thing
[23:14:46] <Platonides>	and that brion or Tim closed it saying it was just for internal use
[23:15:52] <siebrand>	Platonides: well, if the 'Global user <talk> page' is ever to be implemented, this would be more public anyway.
[23:16:13] <siebrand>	Platonides: so I kindof disagree with brion or Tim there ;)
[23:16:27] <Platonides>	i agree it would be useful
[23:16:36] <siebrand>	Platonides: and boy, do I want a global talk page :)
[23:17:10] <piksi>	any superquick hack for the php error in generating thumbs for images with ??? and other special letters in the filename?
[23:17:58] <piksi>	I remember there was a bugzilla bug filed for the error and it had something to do with a php upgrade that broke a code that mediawiki was using to generate the thumbs with imagemagick
[23:19:09] <piksi>	ah, found it: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14944
[23:20:14] <siebrand>	Simetrical: ping?
[23:20:20] <piksi>	i'm wondering if it's safe to use the quickfix in the first message
[23:20:21] <Platonides>	changin home wiki is bug 14234, but that's not what i remember
[23:21:46] *Platonides 	confused
[23:22:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:23:21] <Platonides>	it was at wikitech
[23:24:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpSpamRegex entry for large image tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15063  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:26:50] <siebrand>	Anyone who knows Erik Zachte's bugzilla e-mail address?
[23:26:50] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39108 10/trunk/pybal/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:26:51] <CIA-56>	- New upstream version with slipstreamed twistedbgp
[23:26:51] <CIA-56>	- Fix initscript to not start duplicate processes
[23:29:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Entering Croatian characters produces errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15058  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to home wiki in Special:GlobalUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15078  (10Platonides)
[23:39:07] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Disable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15056  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:41:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to home wiki in Special:GlobalUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15078  (10siebrand)
[23:42:34] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand: nope
[23:42:52] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: hmm, what/where 'nope'?
[23:43:05] <AaronSchulz>	erik's email :)
[23:43:24] <siebrand>	ah. :)
[23:44:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:47:35] <siebrand>	zzz...
[23:49:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need some control over User:Redirect fixer 's edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15110  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:51:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:54:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Replace Oversight with rev_deleted on all WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15029  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:54:41] <CIA-56>	03skizzerz * r39109 10/trunk/extensions/GroupPermissionsManager/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * bugfixes
[23:56:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching for IP Addresses in page content unsuccessful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15027  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:56:47] <jbalint>	hi, i lost a page in my wiki. how can i find it? search got me nowhere
[23:56:53] <flyingparchment>	Special:Allpages
[23:57:11] <jbalint>	awesome, THANKS
[23:57:54] <jbalint>	do i have to do anything for search to work well?
[23:59:01] <flyingparchment>	if you're using mysql's internal search, search will never work well
[23:59:11] <jbalint>	ok
[23:59:39] <jbalint>	thanks again flyingparchment
[23:59:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024  +comment (10siebrand)