[00:04:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Static HTML dumps for non-Wikipedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15017  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for Malayalam projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15012  (10siebrand)
[00:12:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images not subject to Bad image list rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15008  -easy ; +comment (10siebrand)
[00:12:44] <alnokta>	what is a good use of the rss feeds?
[00:13:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15006  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:15:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15006  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:17:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redering display issues for commons and meta on Firefox/Linux - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15005  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:20:00] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: damn that URL field. I always miss that.
[00:20:19] <AaronSchulz>	that happened to me last time :)
[00:23:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Create a set of special pages for handle meta-organization of books - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15073  (10mike.lifeguard)
[00:25:43] <CIA-56>	03shinjiman * r39110 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
[00:25:43] <CIA-56>	Update the Chinese conversion tables
[00:25:43] <CIA-56>	Last minute changes for the release branch 1.13
[00:29:40] <LeonWP>	AaronSchulz, hm, this solution doesn't really work: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php?r1=39097&r2=39096&pathrev=39097
[00:30:39] <LeonWP>	because when short comments are off, wpReason isn't even submitted in $_POST, so $form->comment never get's set at all
[00:30:52] <AaronSchulz>	should be initialized
[00:31:00] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39111 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: $comment should be initialized
[00:31:18] <LeonWP>	wow, that was fast
[00:31:20] *AaronSchulz 	thought that was already
[00:32:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redering display issues for commons and meta on Firefox/Linux - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15005  +comment (10kbblogger)
[00:32:10] <LeonWP>	looking at 15106 now
[00:32:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[00:34:43] <White_Cat>	brion-away can you look at bug #15107 please?
[00:35:01] <White_Cat>	page moves seem to be disabled on english wikipedia
[00:35:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:37:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[00:49:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[00:50:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10brion)
[00:52:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[00:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  (10brion)
[00:57:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves no longer work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15107  (10wmbugzilla)
[00:58:27] *qsheets 	goes over to a dark corner and hides hides from wikibugs 
[00:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Static HTML dumps for non-Wikipedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15017  +comment (10brion)
[01:01:19] <CIA-56>	03river * r39112 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (8 files in 2 dirs): change from double/float to GMP arbitrary precision types. as well as increased range, this means '1.3 + 20' no longer evaluates to '21.300000000000001'
[01:03:06] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Link trail uses PHP 5.1 only feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15035  +comment (10brion)
[01:04:03] <CIA-56>	03river * r39113 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/README: add note that gmp is required
[01:10:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad regexes make the at least some of the blacklist get ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15099  (10brion)
[01:32:51] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39114 10/trunk/extensions/SpamBlacklist/SpamBlacklist_body.php: 
[01:32:51] <CIA-56>	* (bug 15099) Bad regexes make the at least some of the blacklist get ignored
[01:32:51] <CIA-56>	Lines with "\" at the end would silently break both that and the following line in the batch, without triggering the overall parse errors.
[01:32:51] <CIA-56>	Added a specific check for this case to skip the bad lines when building, and to check for them and report a warning during editing.
[01:33:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bad regexes make the at least some of the blacklist get ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15099  +comment (10brion)
[02:19:21] <Meeso>	how do I change the logo?
[02:19:36] <Meeso>	I can't find '$wglogo'
[02:19:47] <will_hough>	You need to add that line
[02:19:52] <Meeso>	ok
[02:19:58] <Meeso>	where?
[02:20:06] <will_hough>	LocalSettings.php
[02:20:13] <Meeso>	at the bottom, or whereevr?
[02:20:18] <Meeso>	I know the file
[02:20:21] <Meeso>	I did that
[02:20:34] <Meeso>	but then a load of errors came up
[02:20:39] <Skizzerz>	such as?
[02:20:48] <will_hough>	Make sure it's after $wgScriptPath
[02:20:53] <Meeso>	ok
[02:21:01] <Meeso>	Im on my iPhone right now 
[02:21:04] <will_hough>	$wgLogo				= "${wgScriptPath}/skins/common/images/logo-01.png";
[02:21:05] <Meeso>	I can't check
[02:21:11] <Meeso>	ok
[02:21:30] <will_hough>	pointing to your logo
[02:23:56] <Meeso>	which channel has a lot of people?
[02:24:10] <Meeso>	I can't use '/list'
[02:26:12] <tyler_>	#linux ?
[02:38:41] <Random832>	is there a bug already for an enhancement to add a mechanism to automatically apply protection to pages transcluded on more than a certain number of pages?
[03:27:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please add a new namespace in Persian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15097  (10meno25wiki)
[03:31:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to home wiki in Special:GlobalUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15078  (10meno25wiki)
[03:41:49] <Bluer>	template coding help please?
[03:42:34] <Bluer>	in IE section lines are cutting through our infoboxes at the finalfantasy.wikia.com
[03:43:12] <Splarka>	do the infoboxes have a background color?
[03:43:38] <Bluer>	 can give you a link
[03:43:45] <Bluer>	http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Template:FFTA2_character
[03:44:01] <Splarka>	bah, just a simple question (can't stand wikia's JS anyway)
[03:44:38] <Bluer>	well. yes they do. it's white....i think
[04:00:39] <Bluer>	anyone here
[04:01:10] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39115 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: load messages here
[04:11:19] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39116 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: backport message fix
[04:25:43] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r39117 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPl.php: Backport r39063: restore linkTrail
[04:30:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Link trail uses PHP 5.1 only feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15035  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:36:07] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r39118 10/tags/REL1_13_0RC2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Tagging for release 1.13.0rc2
[04:39:13] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39119 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Title.php maintenance/Doxyfile): Updated Doxygen docs for Title.php
[04:52:32] <proletaire>	Hi, how do you choose which page will be the main page?
[04:53:39] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Mainpage
[04:53:46] <OverlordQ>	what he said
[04:54:07] <Dantman|FS>	zing...
[04:54:14] <Splarka>	creates the link to the main page for the logo, the sidebar, by default for no title given, and some other circumstances
[04:54:20] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Always beating people to messages
[04:54:34] <Dantman|FS>	heh, now to return to more mysterious murders...
[04:54:41] <Splarka>	same for all languages, unless you add it to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg
[04:54:50] <proletaire>	Thank you
[04:55:10] <Dantman|FS>	;) Only the order is the same for all languages
[04:55:13] <Splarka>	and you can BEANS the undeletability of it by changing that message
[04:55:25] <Dantman|FS>	If you're smart you use messages which automatically get localized
[04:55:27] <Splarka>	and if you want more information, you'll have to stab my hecklers for me
[04:55:32] <Splarka>	*drum riff*
[04:55:38] <proletaire>	hehe
[04:55:39] <OverlordQ>	GET A JOB SPLARKA
[04:55:44] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[04:55:45] <OverlordQ>	that work?
[04:56:28] <Splarka>	Dan: well, messages in the sidebar used for links aren't in any case, unless they have the forceUI
[04:56:46] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ of course, localizing those would be stupid
[04:56:50] <Splarka>	just about everything that calls 'mainpage' IIRC is not localized unless forced
[04:57:17] <Splarka>	tell that to Commons
[04:57:25] <Splarka>	(where it is)
[04:58:28] <Dantman|FS>	And since feel like saying zing again... if you use - in one of those localized messages, then the item won't show up for that language... heh
[04:58:48] <Meeso>	This is... SPLARKA!!!!!
[04:59:05] <Splarka>	commons is uncommon, you download from upload.wikimedia, and static.wikimedia keeps changing
[04:59:13] *Meeso 	kicks OverlordQ down a well
[04:59:48] <Splarka>	stop kicking people into the pit of death, now really
[05:00:31] <Dantman|FS>	hmmm... me tosses Splarka a POD to break his fall...
[05:00:32] <Meeso>	Meet the Spartans?
[05:00:44] <Dantman|FS>	Meet the Splarkans?
[05:00:57] <Splarka>	Tim: what is new in rc2? (topic realignment attempt)
[05:01:34] <TimStarling>	* Removed $wgForwardSearchUrl
[05:01:34] <TimStarling>	* Added magic word __STATICREDIRECT__ to suppress the redirect fixer
[05:01:34] <TimStarling>	* Fixed bugs 14907, 14966, 14987, 13376, 14904, 15035 and 14944.
[05:02:02] <Dantman|FS>	Splarka: ^_^ They also removed my magical use of unicode inside the linktrails... heh
[05:02:14] <TimStarling>	yeah, sorry about that
[05:02:17] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:02:40] <TimStarling>	I was going to say "let's just wait until more people are using PCRE 5"
[05:02:46] <TimStarling>	but you know when PCRE 5 came out?
[05:02:48] <Splarka>	I heard it caused regression?
[05:02:50] <TimStarling>	2004
[05:02:51] <Splarka>	heh
[05:02:55] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:02:56] <Splarka>	ouch
[05:03:37] <Dantman|FS>	What's the next step... store a long verbose array of all unicode letters inside of the code so it'll work? ;) I believe we do similar things elsewhere, heh...
[05:04:26] <Dantman|FS>	Rule #59 of MW programming: If you don't like the way a core feature works... Reimplement it in PHP! zing...
[05:05:25] <Krimpet>	have we tested MW in PHP 6 yet? ;)
[05:05:27] <Dantman|FS>	s/core/php/
[05:05:51] <Dantman|FS>	Krimpet: There are plenty of 5.3 fixes being committed
[05:06:00] <Dantman|FS>	Those are basically the same as any PHP6 ones
[05:06:17] <Dantman|FS>	Also the issue of the Namespace class was solved awhile ago (It's MWNamespace now)
[05:06:19] <Krimpet>	ah, yeah, I've seen a few of those fixes coming in
[05:07:12] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I'd run an instance of MW with PHP6 for fun... but last time I tried compiling PHP on my own... well... that just didn't work out...
[05:07:22] <Dantman|FS>	Heh, despite working on it for weeks
[05:07:43] <Dantman|FS>	T_T Then again, I have the same issue with trying to get a mailserver working
[05:08:18] <TimStarling>	Dantman|FS: did you check that linkTrail feature for compatibility with chinese, japanese and thai?
[05:08:40] <Dantman|FS>	You remember poking me?
[05:08:55] <Dantman|FS>	I coppied some stuff from the japanese WP and it didn't break anything
[05:08:56] <Krimpet>	I guess Unicode will be the hairiest part of PHP 6 compatibility?
[05:09:15] <Krimpet>	since MW uses Unicode throughout, but has its own ways of doing it
[05:09:21] <TimStarling>	but the CJT characters all have the letter property
[05:09:23] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ You know, we could always do a full testcase on it
[05:10:22] <Dantman|FS>	On another note...
[05:10:37] <Dantman|FS>	[[Link<query>|Display text]] anyone? heh...
[05:11:33] <TimStarling>	why do you need to test it? don't you know how it works already?
[05:12:36] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I'm English, I know it works... I see no issues when I throw in other languages... ;) But I'm no linquist
[05:13:04] <Dantman|FS>	ooohhh... test engine, heh...
[05:13:40] <Dantman|FS>	parse a few hundred random pages of different language WP's with both formats, and see if any show up different
[05:13:51] <Dantman|FS>	And if it's a broken way they do
[05:14:02] <Splarka>	<Dantman|FS> [[Link<query>|Display text]] anyone?
[05:14:08] <Splarka>	I am happy to say that was my first stabbing
[05:14:14] <Splarka>	asking Rob about that, like 3 years ago
[05:14:16] <Dantman|FS>	heh...
[05:14:29] <Dantman|FS>	I'm using that syntax in one of my own projects...
[05:14:34] <Splarka>	it was right after query strings were allowed via articlepath
[05:14:57] <Dantman|FS>	[[FooBar<action=edit>|edit me]]
[05:15:18] <Dantman|FS>	Actually on that note...
[05:15:29] <Dantman|FS>	;) [[Special:EditPage/FooBar]] ?
[05:15:58] <Splarka>	skip action paths and go straight to action heat-death-of-the-universe
[05:16:01] <Dantman|FS>	We have things like Special:MyPage, why not a shortcut for one of the most used uses of a local []
[05:16:07] <syli725>	Hi, I am trying to migrate and upgrade the old mediawiki. the old mediawiki is using charset=latin1. I think binary charset is the recommended charset and is better. is that possible to change the charset during upgrade? I checked mysqldump sql file. maybe I can edit the sql file manually by vim? 
[05:16:22] <Splarka>	well, something that would be useful for that is a scriptpath 302er
[05:16:38] <Splarka>	Special:Script/api.php?foobar to -> /w/api.php?foobar
[05:16:43] <Dantman|FS>	&action=api ^_^ ?
[05:16:44] <Splarka>	same for index.php, thumb.php
[05:16:48] <Dantman|FS>	oh right
[05:16:56] <Dantman|FS>	:/ They use action= as well
[05:17:03] <Splarka>	that way you could use them via interwiki without needing to refactor interwiki tables
[05:17:15] <Dantman|FS>	&action=api&query=urlencodedquery
[05:17:25] <Splarka>	ew, well, yah, whichever
[05:17:46] <TimStarling>	> print preg_match('/^(\p{L&}+)(.*)$/usD', '???')
[05:17:46] <TimStarling>	0
[05:17:48] <Dantman|FS>	Well... I suppose you could just rewrite a &apiaction= into an &action=
[05:17:54] <TimStarling>	> print preg_match('/^(\p{Lo}+)(.*)$/usD', '???')
[05:17:55] <TimStarling>	1
[05:18:10] <Dantman|FS>	hm?
[05:18:38] <TimStarling>	"Note: The term "L&" is used to stand for Uppercase, Lowercase or Titlecase letters (Lu, Ll, or Lt) in comments. The LC value in  PropertyValueAliases.txt also stands for Uppercase, Lowercase or Titlecase letters"
[05:19:05] <TimStarling>	CJT are Lo, so they're not L&
[05:19:37] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Well, then I guess that's why things never broke... heh
[05:21:30] <syli725>	any ideas to change the charset from latin1 to binary during migration? 
[05:22:08] <syli725>	first of all, is that possible? 
[05:23:23] <OverlordQ>	run it through iconv?
[05:23:33] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ oh right... I did something evil... perhaps I should show Tim
[05:24:01] <Splarka>	for penance or blackmail?
[05:24:07] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:26:46] *Werdna 	waves
[05:26:52] <Dantman|FS>	hmmm... need to iron out a few bugs
[05:27:06] <TimStarling>	syli725: yes, I think it's just an ALTER TABLE
[05:27:15] <TimStarling>	well, several ALTER TABLE's
[05:27:17] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ though, here's a scary topic...
[05:28:22] <Dantman|FS>	Tim, guess what...... you remember your Parser rewrite, the whole preprocessor thing.... heh... you made it possible to make looping functions work with nested parser functions... and they can even access the variables of the templates they are inside of and do scary things with them..... buahahahaha
[05:28:48] <TimStarling>	that's nice
[05:28:56] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:29:08] <TimStarling>	syli725: try it first with a single table...
[05:29:17] <TimStarling>	ALTER TABLE page DEFAULT CHARSET=binary;
[05:29:27] <TimStarling>	if that works, use SHOW TABLES to get a list of all tables
[05:29:38] <TimStarling>	then use a text editor to make ALTER TABLE statements for each one
[05:29:56] <TimStarling>	then run the whole list of queries with the mysql command line client
[05:30:14] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ now for my part in the evil.... I'm actually making it work...... I have a page with working loop functions, 2 of the 3 directly interact with a template's list of variables... Actually, the only bug is I don't have pfuncs working inside right, though I'm probably just expanding at the wrong point in time.
[05:30:52] <syli725>	TimStarling, thanks a lot for the help. basically, I just need to alter all tables. is that all what to do? 
[05:31:27] <TimStarling>	syli725: also change $wgDBTableOptions in LocalSettings.php
[05:31:31] <TimStarling>	$wgDBTableOptions   = "ENGINE=InnoDB, DEFAULT CHARSET=binary";
[05:31:43] <Dantman|FS>	{{#foreach:*|<nowiki/>\n* <nowiki>{{{ $s$ }}}</nowiki>: $s$ }}
[05:31:47] <TimStarling>	that way if MediaWiki creates more tables on upgrade, they'll be the right charset
[05:31:53] <syli725>	TimStarling, alter all tables first. then use web interface to re-run the installer ? 
[05:31:56] <Dantman|FS>	hmm, nowait
[05:32:21] <TimStarling>	syli725: are you also upgrading mediawiki?
[05:32:21] <Dantman|FS>	{{#foreach:*|<nowiki/>\n* $s$ = {{{ $s$ }}} }}
[05:32:39] <Dantman|FS>	The $s$ is just a legacy thing... I'm trying to find a better sequence
[05:32:45] <Dantman|FS>	I use {{#}} for numbers
[05:32:49] <Werdna>	hmm, time for me to fix up GlobalBlocking
[05:32:57] *Werdna 	wonders if he tested it when he wrote it.
[05:33:04] <TimStarling>	the two operations are separate, you can do them in either order
[05:33:27] <TimStarling>	use ALTER TABLE to change the charsets, and then follow the usual instructions to upgrade
[05:33:41] <syli725>	TimStarling, yeah, also upgrading mediawiki. after hearing your suggestion. my plan is 1) mysqldump the old data. 2) mysql < old.sql to new database 3) alter all tables manually 4) re-run the web installer to perform upgrade schemas and create a new Localsetting.php. is this ok and safe? 
[05:34:03] <Dantman|FS>	Oooo.... {{#parservar}}
[05:34:15] <Dantman|FS>	heh... <g>
[05:34:23] <VasilievVV>	flyingparchment: getting "parser.h:212: error: ???reduced_node_d??? was not declared in this scope" when building parser_native. Any clues?
[05:34:43] <Werdna>	TimStarling: when should TINYBLOB be used, as opposed to a varchar/varbinary?
[05:36:12] <Dantman|FS>	When you're not limiting the size of something?
[05:36:31] <Dantman|FS>	ie: Why can my e-mail address only have 255 characters in it?
[05:36:40] <Werdna>	TINYBLOB does have a char limit...
[05:36:57] <Dantman|FS>	;) Yes, but we're not setting it...
[05:37:01] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:37:35] <Dantman|FS>	"Uhm, I have an insanely long string, why it it getting truncated?", "Sorry, that's an issue with your DB"
[05:37:40] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[05:37:46] <Werdna>	Dantman|FS: in fact, TINYBLOB is limited to 255 characters as well.
[05:37:49] <Werdna>	hence my question...
[05:37:51] <TimStarling>	syli725: that's not a good idea
[05:37:53] <syli725>	TimStarling, thanks for the help. I will try the plan I mentioned. hope it will work. :)
[05:38:05] <Dantman|FS>	rotfl
[05:38:32] <qsheets>	lol
[05:38:43] <Krimpet>	TINYBLOB sounds less like a data type, and more like something you'd find in your nose...
[05:38:56] <Dantman|FS>	heh...
[05:39:18] <Dantman|FS>	oooh...
[05:39:56] <OverlordQ>	syli725: you know he said NOT a good idea?
[05:40:01] <qsheets>	Werdna: Blobs come in handy when exporting
[05:40:14] <Dantman|FS>	"ADD COLUMN In_your_nose_its_a blob"
[05:40:15] <syli725>	TimStarling, sorry, why is that not a good idea? I thought I just followed your suggestion... the upgrade process is to re-run installer as mentioned in mediawiki. 
[05:40:26] <Werdna>	Brion said I should change some of my TINYBLOB fields to varchar(255)s.
[05:40:35] <TimStarling>	syli725: sorry, RL competing for attention
[05:40:55] <TimStarling>	the point of using a binary charset is to avoid corruption during a mysqldump/reload cycle
[05:41:01] <syli725>	OverlordQ, I just saw it. my internnet connection might be slow....
[05:41:08] <OverlordQ>	ah :)
[05:41:33] <TimStarling>	so it's better to change the charset before you attempt any kind of mysqldump
[05:41:36] <qsheets>	Werdna: maybe because they don't need to be all that hidden
[05:43:17] <syli725>	TimStarling, ok. what about this plan? 1) alter all tables to be binary. 2)  mysqldump the old data. 3) mysql < old.sql to new database 4) re-run the web installer to perform upgrade schemas and create a new Localsetting.php. ?
[05:43:41] <TimStarling>	yes, better
[05:43:58] <syli725>	TimStarling, thanks a lot. will do that way. :)
[05:44:20] <TimStarling>	you can keep your old LocalSettings.php, as long as you change $wgDBTableOptions and any other server settings that change in the move
[05:44:43] <TimStarling>	such as $wgDBserver
[05:45:26] <TimStarling>	Werdna: like what?
[05:45:49] <TimStarling>	ah, there was a question in there
[05:46:25] <TimStarling>	on MySQL 4.1+, there seems to be very little difference between tinyblob and varbinary(255)
[05:46:40] <TimStarling>	domas tells me there is some kind of storage difference, but there's no reference to it in the manual
[05:47:51] <TimStarling>	as for varchar versus tinyblob: I usually use varchar when I'm storing text in some language, and varbinary/tinyblob when I'm storing data to be interpreted by MediaWiki
[05:48:21] <TimStarling>	so things like timestamps and group lists are varbinary
[05:48:37] <TimStarling>	and things like category names and page titles are varchar
[05:48:45] <Werdna>	TimStarling: ah, I thought it was the other way around.. oops.
[05:48:56] <Werdna>	(I thought varchar didn't support unicode or something)
[05:49:23] <Werdna>	Should I use varchar or TINYBLOB for comments/summaries/reasons/whatever
[05:49:38] <TimStarling>	varchar
[05:49:49] <TimStarling>	because they're in a human language
[05:50:10] <TimStarling>	it should be noted, there's a significant overhead to using varchar if you index the field
[05:50:24] <TimStarling>	if the user selects UTF-8 on install, the index sizes for varchar are tripled
[05:50:38] <TimStarling>	and on myisam, there's a limit for index size of around 1000 bytes
[05:50:38] <Werdna>	I'm not indexing on block summaries.
[05:50:46] <TimStarling>	I mean in general
[05:50:58] <Werdna>	What's indexing like on TINYBLOBS?
[05:51:04] <TimStarling>	I'm not sure you can
[05:51:21] <TimStarling>	but they're binary in any case, so they couldn't be tripled
[05:51:41] <Werdna>	okay
[05:51:54] <TimStarling>	if you index a whole varchar(255), it contributes 765 bytes to the index limit on myisam
[05:52:20] <Werdna>	ah, and that kinda sucks
[05:52:23] <TimStarling>	it's easy to accidentally break installation of mediawiki on such installations
[05:53:11] <flyingparchment>	hmm, vasiliev left
[05:53:16] <flyingparchment>	but i suspect he wasn't using boost 1.35.0
[05:54:50] <Werdna>	hmm.. I also forgot invocation guards on most of GlobalBlocking
[05:56:24] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: that reminds me, I need to add you to the extension credits for that.
[05:56:40] <flyingparchment>	globalblocking?  i don't think i worked on that ;)
[05:57:16] <Werdna>	no, abusefilter.
[05:57:31] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39120 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.php: Add River to the extension credits, seeing as he pretty much wrote the native parser.
[06:00:54] <flyingparchment>	Werdna: i was thinking of adding a 'date' type.  it would allow useful operators like 'USER_CREATION older than 100 years'
[06:00:59] <flyingparchment>	uh, 100 days... not years
[06:01:27] <flyingparchment>	(also, unrelated: http://toolserver.org/~river/cgi-bin/expr?expr=1+%2B+1)
[06:01:34] <Splarka>	ye olde tyme wikipedie by ye telegraph
[06:02:02] <Splarka>	the original rise of the semicolon
[06:02:12] <Splarka>	$5/word across the atlantic, semicolon is your friend
[06:02:23] <syli725>	TimStarling, hi, after alter the table by using the line you suggested, I saw it only changes the charset=binary. but the columns in the table are still varchar() chacterset latin1 instead of varbinary(). is that correct? I saw binary mode would create table with varbinary. will this corrupt my installation? sorry to trouble you. 
[06:02:50] <TimStarling>	how could someone who is not a member and not in the accepted nonmembers list be posting out-of-office messages to mediawiki-l?
[06:03:05] <TimStarling>	syli725: you'll have to change all the columns separately I guess
[06:03:11] <TimStarling>	check the mysql manual
[06:03:18] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: envelope sender vs From?
[06:03:28] <flyingparchment>	i don't know if mailman checks both for incoming mail
[06:03:31] <TimStarling>	flyingparchment: that's broken...
[06:03:47] <TimStarling>	would the envelope sender be logged anywhere?
[06:04:05] <syli725>	TimStarling, hm.. ok. I may try to do it manually. 
[06:04:07] <TimStarling>	how is someone meant to administer a list if you can't even tell who's posting to it?
[06:04:10] <flyingparchment>	does mailman encode it in its rewritten sender?  or does it use From for that?
[06:04:17] *flyingparchment 	looks
[06:04:25] <flyingparchment>	which mail?
[06:04:37] <TimStarling>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2008-August/028176.html
[06:04:50] <TimStarling>	there's three of them
[06:05:13] <TimStarling>	I've only got that list by gmane, I don't have the original list mail
[06:06:17] <root|work>	hi
[06:06:30] <root|work>	is TOR detection part of MW or an WMF extension?
[06:06:38] <flyingparchment>	subscribe:Aug 08 16:31:12 2008 (19928) mediawiki-l: deleted elizabeth.cieniewski@rrd.com; member mgt page
[06:06:56] <flyingparchment>	you're too late ;-)
[06:06:57] <TimStarling>	root|work: extension, TorBlock
[06:07:11] <TimStarling>	right...
[06:07:24] <root|work>	TimStarling: do you know sth about it? A german WP user complains that he doesn't use TOR but gets blocked anyway
[06:07:35] <TimStarling>	it might have been a bit more appropriate to use the mod flag...
[06:07:48] <flyingparchment>	i don't think so
[06:07:49] <root|work>	the problem appeared at Saturday
[06:07:56] <flyingparchment>	posting out of office autoreplies to lists is very rude
[06:08:06] <root|work>	but he is also blocked by Freenode out of the same reason
[06:08:08] <flyingparchment>	if people find they get unsubscribed when they do it, maybe they'll stop
[06:08:13] <OverlordQ>	how often does torblock update it's cache?
[06:08:53] <flyingparchment>	apparently, this person sent three seperate autoreplies
[06:09:45] <TimStarling>	presumably it's a mail client issue, they don't actually know they're being rude
[06:10:03] <flyingparchment>	well, hopefully whoever unsubscribed them explained why it was so
[06:10:29] <flyingparchment>	although i probably wouldn't have
[06:10:36] <flyingparchment>	good thing i don't care enough to bother
[06:10:41] <TimStarling>	heh
[06:10:43] <OverlordQ>	root|work: if it's been longer then a half hour then he's sharing an IP with somebody who's using TOR or his ISP has a caching proxy in which he's also SOL
[06:11:15] <TimStarling>	root|work: what's the IP?
[06:12:34] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14934  <-- TOR false positives
[06:13:14] <Splarka>	the problem is TorBlock uses the exit node list, which in some cases can be a transparent IP proxy with more people behind it than the IP(s) running Tor. There is an exception list available now for such IPs, pokle Werdna
[06:13:16] <Werdna>	root|work: I am the developer of the TorBlock extension.
[06:13:22] <Werdna>	Splarka: there is so.
[06:13:23] <Splarka>	there he is
[06:13:30] <Werdna>	Autoblock whitelist is applied to tor blocks.
[06:13:35] <Werdna>	following such complaints.
[06:13:36] <root|work>	OverlordQ: according the ISP he has a dynamic IP but it shouldn't be shared
[06:13:46] <root|work>	Werdna: hi. Do you have an idea?
[06:14:13] <Werdna>	root|work: The list we use is generated from Tor. According to them, they individually test each IP address before it is added to the list (automatically, of course)
[06:14:24] <root|work>	ok
[06:14:44] <root|work>	so I guess Freenode uses the same mechanism / same list to do their TOR blocking, right?
[06:14:56] <OverlordQ>	without the IP there's not much we can tell you I think.
[06:15:01] <TimStarling>	you shouldn't list shared IP addresses in a whitelist, you should list them in the XFF list
[06:15:06] <Werdna>	It is possible that that list has false positives, but it is difficult to tell, as most tor block checkers have false negatives.
[06:15:06] <TimStarling>	that's what it's for
[06:15:07] <root|work>	and maybe the IP adress was assigned to someone else who has used TOR recently
[06:15:39] <Werdna>	Yes, IPs are held in that list for 24h after they are last seen as blocked.
[06:15:57] <root|work>	well, it wouldn't be sensible to whitelist this IP adress as it is dynamic
[06:15:59] <Werdna>	TimStarling: I use wfGetIP() to get the IP, so presumably any XFF has already been resolved.
[06:16:07] <root|work>	nevertheless the problem consists since Saturday
[06:16:15] <TimStarling>	Werdna: the list needs to be maintained
[06:16:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) mediawiki:extensions-IssueTracker setup problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15113 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AdvancedRandom; (sudheerinfos)
[06:16:28] <TimStarling>	if you just whitelist these complaints instead of sending them to me, it'll never be fixed
[06:16:30] <root|work>	the user should have got several IPs since then
[06:17:23] <root|work>	ok, so I will tell the user to just stand by and hope that he will get a "clean" adress next time
[06:17:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mediawiki:extensions-IssueTracker setup problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15113  (10sudheerinfos)
[06:17:33] <Werdna>	root|work: that's probably a bad idea.
[06:17:41] <Werdna>	root|work: If there's an issue, we should figure out how to fix it.
[06:17:44] <TimStarling>	it's hardly going to fix itself
[06:17:51] <root|work>	if the problem persists I will request a list of IPs used and get back to you
[06:17:55] <Werdna>	If you don't mind, could I have the IP so I can ask somebody from tor?
[06:18:03] *qsheets 	is off to bed
[06:18:09] <xx_xx_>	is it possible to combine a phpbb3 forum into a mediawiki installation?
[06:18:14] <Splarka>	Tim: perhaps you can periodically scan all the whitelists and move them to the XFF list (if they are trustworthy enough to)
[06:18:14] <root|work>	Werdna: I already sent it to you and TimStarling in a query
[06:18:26] <Werdna>	depends on what you mean by "combine"
[06:18:33] <Splarka>	but in cases where it takes days or weeks for shell requests and minutes for sysop requests to a system message..
[06:18:41] <xx_xx_>	well, i mean somewhat 'merge' it together, werdna
[06:19:00] <xx_xx_>	inside the main mediawiki format
[06:20:19] <xx_xx_>	where you can lock the mediawiki content but supply usernames which are merged with different access capabilities or 'roles'
[06:21:34] <TimStarling>	it doesn't look like an ISP proxy
[06:21:39] <TimStarling>	it looks like a dynamic range
[06:22:06] <OverlordQ>	plug it into: http://torstatus.cyberphunk.org/tor_exit_query.php
[06:22:34] <TimStarling>	how does this tor list work?
[06:23:00] <OverlordQ>	the link I gave?
[06:23:12] <TimStarling>	no, the extension
[06:25:33] <root|work>	very interesting, it really reports a TOR exit node
[06:25:50] <root|work>	but the contact information does not match the WP user
[06:26:13] <Werdna>	TimStarling: Tor gives us this list
[06:26:16] <Werdna>	https://check.torproject.org/cgi-bin/TorBulkExitList.py?ip=212.204.66.66
[06:26:23] <TimStarling>	I'm just reading the source
[06:26:30] <Werdna>	that IP is the IP for rr.pmtpa
[06:27:54] <Werdna>	I've just poked the guy who wrote the tor-side code, and we've confirmed that it does show up on the bulk exit list, but the Tor checking system which powers it gives a negative
[06:29:08] <TimStarling>	sure, it's negative now
[06:29:15] <TimStarling>	the guy probably restarted his modem
[06:30:12] <Werdna>	yes, that's what I figured. If you're on irc.oftc, you could join #tor there
[06:30:31] <TimStarling>	oftc.what?
[06:30:38] <Werdna>	irc.oftc.net
[06:33:05] <Krimpet>	there is, or at least was, a relay to there in Freenode #tor
[07:12:56] <Splarka>	<body class="mediawiki ltr ns-9 ns-talk page-MediaWiki_talk_Common_css skin-monobook">
[07:13:09] *Splarka 	ponders a bug asking for them to be sorted nicely
[07:13:40] <Splarka>	software, skin, direction, namespace, namespace type, page.. maybe?
[07:21:37] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Redering display issues for commons and meta on Firefox/Linux - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15005  +comment (10siebrand)
[07:25:11] <domas>	ochoha: OMG HOW DID YOU GET INTERNAL DOMAIN NAME ON IRC
[07:25:22] *domas 	giggles
[07:25:52] <OverlordQ>	??\/(??_0)\/??
[07:25:59] <syli725>	Hi I just complete my migration from one server to another server. I met a problem on admin user. I don't know the previous system's admin user and pass. it seems the migrated system doesn't use the new admin. how can I reset the admin account? 
[07:26:09] <domas>	should be in faq
[07:26:10] <domas>	:)
[07:26:48] <syli725>	domas, sorry to post here. i will check faq. 
[07:27:10] <root|work>	domas: DROP DATABASE should always be a very efficient and clean way for deleting admin passwords ;-)
[07:27:26] <domas>	root|work: omg you are so smart
[07:27:30] <root|work>	:-P
[07:27:56] <OverlordQ>	dd's better :)
[07:28:03] <root|work>	heh
[07:29:12] <Splarka>	domas: .int is international treaty/organization
[07:29:23] <Splarka>	or divisible by 1
[07:29:36] *Splarka 	waits for math nazis
[07:30:50] <domas>	Splarka: as if I didn't know
[07:30:56] <Krimpet>	who.int is the World Health Organization, isn't it?
[07:31:02] <domas>	I KNOW DAMNIT
[07:31:08] <domas>	THANKS FOR EXPLANATION
[07:31:08] <Werdna>	who?
[07:31:11] <Krimpet>	as opposed to the band. :)
[07:31:12] <domas>	WHAT IS ALL THIS MEDIAWIKI THING ABOUT
[07:31:17] <domas>	TELL ME
[07:31:25] <siebrand>	Krimpet: an issue arose out of a patch you made recently. I assigned the fallout to you.
[07:31:27] *Krimpet 	won't get fooled again.
[07:31:34] <Krimpet>	siebrand, oh?
[07:32:05] <siebrand>	Krimpet: you probably got mail about it, and I forgot which issue, as I saw ~120 of them them browsing yesterday.
[07:32:10] *Krimpet 	looks. :)
[07:32:19] <Krimpet>	ohh, I see
[07:32:44] <Krimpet>	I saw Brion's revert of that - I'll fix that up.
[07:33:09] <Splarka>	domas: mediawiki is a server-resource eater designed to make MySQL run slowly and make Sun look bad
[07:33:26] <syli725>	domas, I am sorry to trouble you. but I didn't find the answer in FAQ. 
[07:33:57] <siebrand>	any opinions on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15093 ? A user requests to add "watch" to Special:Contribs. Please add them there.
[07:34:52] <OverlordQ>	syli725: it's there . . . . as long as you're looking at the right one :)
[07:35:43] <domas>	syli725: http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/start/mediawiki+password+reset
[07:35:48] <domas>	some random google hit
[07:35:54] <domas>	http://kb.siteground.com/article/How_to_reset_my_MediaWiki_admin_password.html
[07:35:55] <domas>	;)
[07:36:12] <domas>	nah, this one is bad
[07:36:16] <domas>	someone wrote it just to have it in KB
[07:36:42] <OverlordQ>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_reset_a_password.3F
[07:36:54] <domas>	oh, that one
[07:37:04] <domas>	we have a script nowadays
[07:37:05] <domas>	nice
[07:37:22] <OverlordQ>	I did that yesterday, I told them to RTFAQ, but then I realized it was listed on the meta FAQ and not the mw.org FAQ :(
[07:37:26] <syli725>	domas, OverlordQ, OH. I checked again. maybe createAndPromise.php can help on this issue. I will try. thanks. 
[07:37:52] *OverlordQ 	giggles in a not so sane manner
[07:38:29] <syli725>	domas, OverlordQ password reset help will not solve my problem. I even don't know what the admin username is. 
[07:38:44] <domas>	select * from user_groups;
[07:38:45] <domas>	etc
[07:38:46] <domas>	:)
[07:39:19] <syli725>	domas, OverlordQ thanks. :) i think createAndPromise.php might solve my problem as well. I will try both. thanks. 
[07:44:30] <Werdna>	syli725: seriously...
[07:44:43] <_wooz>	lo
[07:44:47] <Werdna>	select user_name from user_groups,user where user_id=ug_user;
[07:46:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r37313 broke parser tests for alternative databases. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14990  +comment (10siebrand)
[07:47:05] <syli725>	Werdna, thanks a lot. 
[07:49:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable patrolling on multilingual Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14982   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[07:51:06] <siebrand>	Jhs: please check https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14981 . Your input is needed.
[07:54:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) An extra line in exported translations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12956  +comment (10siebrand)
[07:54:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &lrm; and left-to-right marker disappear when translations are exported - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12562  +comment (10siebrand)
[07:59:52] <siebrand>	any takers for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14980 : Merge messages 'sharedupload' and 'shareduploadwiki'/'shareduploadwiki-desc' ?
[08:09:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Get undefined variable:sid errors after upgrade to SMW 1.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14812  (10mitchell_neill)
[08:09:21] <flyingparchment>	adding date support to expressor was harder than i imagined
[08:09:29] <flyingparchment>	it needs two new types, datetime_t and interval_t
[08:09:34] <Werdna>	right
[08:09:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) alphabetical order method for DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14971  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:13:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Random Sort for semantic queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14978   +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[08:15:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) importdump.php regular expression is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14961  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:18:43] <siebrand>	Werdna: something you can do about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14962 ? Came to you because you appear to have committed some code to the hidden categories feature.
[08:19:32] <TimStarling>	does anyone have PHP 5.1.2 or earlier handy?
[08:20:29] <Werdna>	PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: May  9 2008 16:54:00)
[08:20:33] <Werdna>	sorry
[08:20:33] <flyingparchment>	i think so, i have centos 3.9 here
[08:20:36] *flyingparchment 	boots
[08:20:46] <Werdna>	PHP 5.2.5-pl1-gentoo (cli) (built: Feb  5 2008 10:21:45)
[08:20:51] <siebrand>	5.2.5 and 5.2.3 here.
[08:20:52] *Werdna 	grumbles.
[08:21:05] <TimStarling>	I want to know if this works:
[08:21:08] <TimStarling>	print preg_match('/[\p{Ll}\p{Lu}\p{Lt}]/', 'a')
[08:21:52] <TimStarling>	also print PCRE_VERSION, just in case
[08:21:54] <siebrand>	TimStarling: ask in #php ?
[08:22:04] <TimStarling>	in theory it should be 6.2
[08:22:13] <TimStarling>	##php? they're useless
[08:22:21] <siebrand>	TimStarling: ow :)
[08:22:22] <TimStarling>	unless you're asking them how to add two numbers or something
[08:22:22] <Werdna>	I know :)
[08:22:46] <TimStarling>	somebody help me, how do I make a loop?
[08:22:57] <TimStarling>	I tried reading the manual but I don't understand it
[08:22:59] <Werdna>	TimStarling: goto
[08:23:10] <Werdna>	does that exist in PHP?
[08:23:14] <TimStarling>	no
[08:23:40] <Lady_Aleena>	TimStarling, take out a bit of string and tie the two ends together in a knot. :)
[08:23:49] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: http://rafb.net/p/YMEw1h57.html
[08:24:00] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ goto is an evil which makes for very good hard to spot infinite loops
[08:24:04] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[08:24:15] <Splarka>	I made a loupe once out of a soda bottle and random lens
[08:24:16] <Dantman|FS>	It's hard enough catching a runaway while
[08:24:23] <flyingparchment>	PCRE_VERSION isn't defined
[08:24:46] <Dantman|FS>	Tim, ;) PCRE_VERSION is a 5.2 invention heh
[08:24:52] <TimStarling>	thanks flyingparchment
[08:25:03] <Dantman|FS>	That's why I never suggested using it to test
[08:26:35] <Werdna>	whoa
[08:26:37] <TimStarling>	it's too early though
[08:26:56] <Werdna>	if( $wgUser->isAllowed( 'globalunblock' ) ) { $this->displayRestrictionError(); return; }
[08:27:01] <TimStarling>	PHP 4.3.2 had PCRE 3.9, it didn't support \p at all
[08:27:07] <Werdna>	How did I manage that? :P
[08:27:33] <TimStarling>	we really want to know if this regex works in PCRE 5.0 - 6.4
[08:28:59] <TimStarling>	PHP 4 jumped straight from 4.5 to 6.6, so it needs to be in the 5.x series
[08:30:42] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39121 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Addressing concerns in r39801 regarding editnotices; the message names now use dbkeys instead, and wfMsgForContent is now used consistently.
[08:31:03] <TimStarling>	I'll just compile it I guess
[08:32:23] <flyingparchment>	how to express a date?  "2008-07-05"d ?
[08:32:31] <Werdna>	siebrand: what was it?
[08:32:51] <siebrand>	Werdna: what was what?
[08:33:13] <siebrand>	werdna: bug 14962?
[08:35:55] <Werdna>	siebrand: yes, never mind.
[08:37:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow per-article and per-namespace messages above edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15102  +comment (10francine)
[08:38:11] <syli725>	Werdna, domas, OverlordQ I am sorry to ask questions again. It seems that I don't have admin user at all in the database.... In Special:ListUsers, I did see some user with (bureaucrat) words. but when I do "group bureaucrat" search, no one matched. the user who has (bureaucrat) doesn't have admin rights at all. 
[08:39:29] <Werdna>	syli725: that's okay, user with bureaucrat can make another user an admin.
[08:39:47] <flyingparchment>	user with bureaucrat can talk like confucious
[08:39:49] <flyingparchment>	;-)
[08:39:51] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: I suppose that makes sense. Or you could have a function
[08:40:05] <Werdna>	strtotime( "2007-08-10" )
[08:40:11] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: I've been around domas too much.
[08:40:17] <flyingparchment>	me too
[08:40:28] <Dantman|FS>	$alpha = '[a-z]; foreach( array( '\p{L&}', '[\p{Ll}\p{Lu}\p{Lt}]' ) as $al ) { if( @preg_match( "/$al/usD", 'a' ) { $alpha = $al; break; } }
[08:40:42] <domas>	what
[08:40:43] <domas>	where
[08:40:43] <domas>	why
[08:40:45] <domas>	why me
[08:40:56] <siebrand>	LeonWP, Dantman|FS: wanna have some parser fun? See bugzilla 14959 and 14562.
[08:40:56] <flyingparchment>	domas: you stole all our articles
[08:40:57] <syli725>	Werdna, I mean no user has admin rights. it has the word (bureaucrat), but it doesn't have bureaucrat rights. 
[08:41:09] <domas>	flyingparchment: haha
[08:41:10] <flyingparchment>	syli725: bureaucrat does not give admin rights
[08:41:21] <flyingparchment>	syli725: but the user can make himself an admin by going to Special:Userrights
[08:41:34] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Blank site after reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14960  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:42:01] <Dantman|FS>	siebrand: ^_^ "Sure, how much you got for that project?" rotfl...
[08:42:23] <syli725>	I am totally confused here. Right now, I migrate a old system. the old system is not maintained by me. All users don't have any admin/bureaucrat/sysops right. how to create a user who have all the rights from scratch? 
[08:42:32] <siebrand>	Dantman|FS: just triaging and trying to get people working on open bugzillas... :)
[08:42:41] <Dantman|FS>	heh
[08:42:45] <syli725>	flyingparchment, it doesn't have the right. the user is not bureaucrat even if it has (bureaucrat) surrounding with the user. 
[08:43:00] <Dantman|FS>	Most of what I do nowadays is contract
[08:43:04] <siebrand>	Dantman|FS: as you ialex and Leon have recently made commits in that area, I asked you.
[08:43:09] <Werdna>	syli725: just use createAndPromote.
[08:43:12] <syli725>	I think the system user management is just corrupted after migration... 
[08:43:26] <Werdna>	siebrand: I already did my triaging a few days ago.
[08:43:33] <Werdna>	except I did all the work myself :P
[08:43:41] <Werdna>	anyway, I'm making globalblocking not suck
[08:43:53] <Dantman|FS>	oooohh... another one of those money scam mails.... ^_^ those are fun to read.... shows you how stupid people can be... ;) and I'm not talking about the people that fall for them... heh
[08:43:58] <Werdna>	Brion found a bunch of bugs, and I've just found a bunch more, and been doing some redesigning.
[08:44:11] <siebrand>	Werdna: If I could, I would. So I'm closing where needed, assigning where possible, and whining where unavoidable...
[08:44:13] <syli725>	Werdna, ok. I will use that script. not sure why I didn't find it at the first time. saw it now. thanks. 
[08:44:30] <Dantman|FS>	awww... that spam was so short it was boring...
[08:46:25] <Dantman|FS>	T_T Where's a good crapflood when you need one...
[08:46:38] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  Something about these images created by a nightly build of Inkscape prevents RSVG /MediaWiki from rendering the images properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14953  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:47:04] <Werdna>	Notice: Undefined variable: type in /home/andrew/mediawiki/includes/db/LoadBalancer.php on line 642
[08:47:07] <Werdna>	Is that usual?
[08:47:25] <siebrand>	Werdna: never seen it.
[08:47:53] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Even if it is... it's still something you can fix
[08:48:02] <siebrand>	Werdna: also, I have no "type" on line 642.
[08:48:13] <Werdna>	siebrand: extract($server)
[08:48:30] <Dantman|FS>	Eeeeekkk...
[08:48:31] <Werdna>	hmm, I'm not at HEAD
[08:48:33] <siebrand>	Werdna: ehr, I *do* have tye where :)
[08:48:42] <Werdna>	wha?
[08:48:44] <Dantman|FS>	yuck, bleh... eeew
[08:48:45] <siebrand>	Werdna: ehr, I *do* have type there :) (damn typos)
[08:48:54] <Dantman|FS>	hmmm...
[08:48:59] <Dantman|FS>	safeextract anyone?
[08:49:20] <siebrand>	And it does appear to be undefined, indeed.
[08:49:21] <Dantman|FS>	heh, tobad scope won't let us functionalize it
[08:49:50] <syli725>	Werdna, sorry, I just create an admin account. but the account I created still doesn't have admin rights. when I try to access Special:UserRights, I got "Permisssion Erros".... any ideas? my installation is corrupted? 
[08:50:01] <Werdna>	syli725: go into mysql
[08:50:11] <Werdna>	SELECT user_id FROM user WHERE user_name='YourAccountName';
[08:50:38] <Werdna>	INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user,ug_group) VALUES (theuserid,'bureaucrat'),(theuserid,'sysop');
[08:50:57] <Dantman|FS>	foreach( array( 'var1', 'var2' ) as $var ) { $$var = isset($array[$var]) ? $array[$var] : null; }
[08:51:21] <syli725>	Werdna, the first select query return "empty set". how come? 
[08:51:32] <Werdna>	then you entered your account name wrong.
[08:51:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:51:53] <Dantman|FS>	fwiw, the preferences page lists your userid, so you can cut that work in half
[08:53:04] *Dantman|FS 	wonders if he should attempt sending an e-mail for one of those Wikimedia jobs
[08:53:28] <syli725>	Werdna, it's correct. and I used it to login successfully... 
[08:53:58] <Dantman|FS>	syli725: The name gets normalized so it can change
[08:54:16] <syli725>	Werdna, oh, mediawiki will change the first letter of all user accounts to be capital?? admin doesn't return anything. but Admin return the id. but I created with "admin". 
[08:54:28] <Dantman|FS>	mhmm
[08:54:36] <Werdna>	yes, MediaWiki does.
[08:54:40] <Werdna>	sorry, I should have remembered.
[08:54:55] <Dantman|FS>	Usernames are normalized with the same pattern as titles
[08:55:11] <Dantman|FS>	(cept they are saved with spaces instead of underscores :/)
[08:55:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error of Wikimedia server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14956  +comment (10siebrand)
[08:55:26] <Dantman|FS>	A curse on the person who thought that was a 'good' idea...
[08:58:07] <syli725>	Werdna, I am sorry that. it has the two entries. thus it's no need to insert. but the user still doesn't have the rights.... 
[08:58:25] <syli725>	Werdna, maybe my migration is corrupted? everything works fine except this point.... 
[08:58:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect parsing is over-permissive; syntactically broken redirects are parsed as redirects to the wrong place. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15053  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:59:30] <Werdna>	go into your preferences
[08:59:58] <Werdna>	it should give your user ID
[09:00:18] <syli725>	Werdna, yeah. it's the correct one with the select query. it also has Member of groups: Autoconfirmed users, Users, bureaucrat, sysop . 
[09:00:47] <Werdna>	okay...
[09:02:08] <Werdna>	so what's the problem then?
[09:03:58] <syli725>	Werdna, the problem is the user actually dosen't have any admin rights at all. it can not delete page, it can not access special:uesrrights and get "permission denied". please let me describe my migration process if that helps... 
[09:04:12] <Splarka>	tried logging out/in?
[09:04:31] <syli725>	Splarka, I did many times already.:)
[09:06:48] <syli725>	Werdna, my migration process might cause this problem. In the old system, the database uses latin1. I think binary is recommended. what I did is to mysqldump the data. and use vim to edit .sql file. change it to be binary. what I changed: "charset=binary" "varchar replaced by varbinary" "char replaced by binary" "removed character set latin1 .. latin_bin" etc.. everything works fine. except the power user rights so far..
[09:07:29] <Werdna>	...
[09:07:48] <syli725>	I can edit any pages. I can create users. all pages are migrated successfully.... 
[09:08:31] <Werdna>	well what do you mean specifically when you say that the user rights "don't work"?
[09:10:05] <syli725>	Werdna, when I use the admin login, first, I don't see "delete" tab. thus I can not delete any pages. second, I don't see Special:UserRights under "Special Pages". If I try and force to access the page by using the link index.php5/Special:UserRights, it will give me "permissions errors" error message. in a word, the admin just got normal user rights. 
[09:11:21] <Werdna>	Well, I imagine that there's some weirdness. YOu should be aware that the way you migrated your DB was the wrong way to do it. varchar and varbinary are not used interchangeably.
[09:11:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbs near the articles title text on browsedata page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14939  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:11:36] <Werdna>	With that said, I expect that if you remove and recreate those user_groups rows, it should work okay.
[09:11:53] *Lady_Aleena 	glurbles and wishes edit summaries were manditory on all edits, no matter how minor.
[09:12:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suggestion to allow more complex filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:13:27] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: why?
[09:13:31] <syli725>	Werdna, hm.. I can try to recreate user and user_groups table. what about other tables? is the way safe for further use? 
[09:13:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with Encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13838  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:13:55] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, so I would know why some edits were made. I can't always tell by the diffs.
[09:14:04] <Werdna>	I can't immediately think of anything else that would be effected.
[09:14:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No new Filters in Subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13375  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:14:13] *Werdna 	waits.
[09:14:27] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, what are you waiting for?
[09:14:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14548  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:14:43] <syli725>	Werdna, ok. let me try to recreate tables first..
[09:14:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sorting not always right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14915  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:14:57] <syli725>	I mean user and user_groups tables only. 
[09:15:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special inclusion of browsedata on any wiki page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14940  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:19:33] <MinuteElectron>	How do we deal with timezones right now?
[09:19:44] <MinuteElectron>	i.e. how does one choose which timezone there wiki is in?
[09:24:24] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39122 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtPages.php: 
[09:24:24] <CIA-56>	* (bug 15112) Fix three strict standard issues, incompatible function declerations due to incorrect default parameter values.
[09:24:24] <CIA-56>	* Minor whitespace fixes on classes that had these issues.
[09:25:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Strict Standards issues in LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15112  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[09:26:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some SVGs render incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5163  +comment (10kjoonlee)
[09:27:33] <CIA-56>	03dale * r39123 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): category fix
[09:30:06] <piksi>	any way to modify the upload page textareas without touching the source (so that changes persist after updates)
[09:30:09] <piksi>	?
[09:32:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Global spam blacklist should have less or no lag time before taking effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14951  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:36:00] <Splarka>	piksi: modify the relevant mediawiki messages (see Special:Allmessages)
[09:36:39] <Splarka>	oops, unless you mean the <textarea>s, modify in what way? you can use site CSS/JS
[09:36:49] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) MediaWiki:Rcnote at Watchlist page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14937  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:37:00] <Splarka>	also check the relevant source for hooks you can use via extensions
[09:38:23] <piksi>	Splarka: yes, i mean that without affecting the code which says rows=80 cols=20 i'd love to make it fit my maxwidth of the wikipage
[09:39:16] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Flagging box missing for diffs in Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15106  +comment (10leon)
[09:39:40] <piksi>	Splarka: i was thinking of hooking onto the id='wpUploadDescription' of the textarea but don't know any relevant css parameters that would allow me to "collapse" it inside the parent divs and not extend beyond their borders
[09:40:08] <piksi>	Splarka: right now, as you can see it looks a bit stupid: http://arkkitehtiwiki.info/Toiminnot:Tallenna
[09:40:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) optimise <title> tag on ganglia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14936  normal->lowest (10siebrand)
[09:41:00] <Splarka>	piksi: you should be able to do that with CSS
[09:41:14] <OverlordQ>	jeebus siebrand, on a bughunt?
[09:41:21] <Splarka>	(just have to figure out which)
[09:41:30] <siebrand>	OverlordQ: yeah. Wanna join?
[09:42:29] <OverlordQ>	eh, would if I knew any of the answers :)
[09:43:46] <Emufarmers>	syli725: Your problem isn't http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8249 by chance, is it?
[09:44:10] <syli725>	Emufarmers, let me check.
[09:45:07] <siebrand>	OverlordQ: closing issues because they are invalid, and using common sense saves other people a lot of work already.
[09:46:25] <syli725>	Emufarmers, the problem looks like exactly the same. but there is no solution in that page, right? 
[09:47:10] <syli725>	Emufarmers, I tried select query on user_groups table. it looks fine to me. 
[09:48:31] <Emufarmers>	There is a solution: Read my post in the thread; but your table doesn't have any of the corrupted ?-looking things?
[09:48:51] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39124 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtModel.php: * Avoid E_STRICT warnings when getting a date by attempting to set a timzone and supressing any warnings while generating the date.
[09:49:17] <CIA-56>	03mkroetzsch * r39125 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Experimental refresh job to allow full SMW data update/repair without command line access
[09:49:58] <syli725>	Emufarmers, no corrupted message at all. everything look normal and correct. 
[09:50:34] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, alright then :/
[09:54:12] <syli725>	wow, the problem is solved by deleting all the rows in user_groups and insert one row manually.... why? 
[09:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images without deleting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14928  +comment (10siebrand)
[09:54:53] <Emufarmers>	That's what I suggest in the thread, yes; if the table were corrupted, then clearing it out and adding a new row would be the simplest way to fix it
[09:55:20] <syli725>	Emufarmers, but the table looks corrected. let me find a pastebin to paste the table...
[09:55:58] <syli725>	!pastebin
[09:55:58] --mwbot--	Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[09:58:35] <syli725>	Werdna, Emufarmers  simply remove all the rows and insert solved my problem. what I did: http://mediawiki.pastey.net/93494   any ideas what causes the problem? 
[09:58:42] <CIA-56>	03emil * r39126 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/wikiwyg/share/MediaWiki/extensions/MediaWikiWyg.php: backported r38283 so the wikiwyg extension (used by Wikia's Special:Createpage) can work
[10:07:08] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39127 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[10:07:08] <CIA-56>	(bug 14929) Add two command line switches to removeUnusedAccounts.php:
[10:07:08] <CIA-56>	--ignore-touched=x : Ignore accounts touched within the lasts x days\n" );
[10:07:08] <CIA-56>	--ignore-groups=x,y : Ignore accounts within these groups\n" );
[10:07:08] <CIA-56>	Patch submitted by: Louperivois
[10:07:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) maintenance/removeUnusedAccounts. php now not delete sysops and bureaucrats. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14929  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:10:50] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) "Phase" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14932  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:11:36] <Werdna>	syli725: mismatched charsets or something, maybe
[10:12:42] <syli725>	Werdna, but it looks correct. anyway. ^_^ at least, the problem is solved without doing any major modification. 
[10:12:58] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39128 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.php README.txt): added $wgCollectionTemplateExclusionCategory
[10:17:43] <siebrand>	how do I run parsertests? I am fiddling a bit with extension Poem, and would like to compare before/after...
[10:19:05] <Werdna>	php maintenance/parserTests.php
[10:19:43] <Emufarmers>	Wow, these Facebook ads are getting really personalized: "Is it really possible for shy, nervous, unattractive men to date gorgeous women? Click here for more info."
[10:23:50] <domas>	Emufarmers: lol
[10:26:02] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39129 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[10:26:02] <CIA-56>	GlobalBlocking fixes:
[10:26:02] <CIA-56>	* Fix a bug where you had to NOT have the globalunblock permission to remove a global block.
[10:26:02] <CIA-56>	* Fix a bunch of PHP notices.
[10:26:02] <CIA-56>	* Break removal/whitelisting forms out into new separate pages.
[10:26:03] <CIA-56>	* Various code quality and usability issues.
[10:26:07] <CIA-56>	* Fix bug where the base wiki's default expiries were ignored.
[10:28:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable GlobalBlocking extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10Andrew)
[10:36:42] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: could you possibly fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14917 ?
[10:43:45] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39130 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (GlobalBlocking.alias.php SpecialGlobalBlockStatus.php): Add aliases for new special pages
[10:50:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  __INDEX__ and __NOINDEX__ should not override $wgArticleRobotPolicies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14900  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:56:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Email notification mistakes edit for new page creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14901  +comment (10siebrand)
[10:57:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:UnwatchedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14903   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[10:58:42] <Morbus>	TimStarling: ping.
[10:59:01] <Morbus>	TimStarling: you're probably the wrong person, but i suspect you know who is the right person ;)
[10:59:12] <TimStarling>	yes?
[10:59:54] <Morbus>	just wanted to report that the image renaming/moving stuff in 1.13rc1 is working great. i think i've done 300+ moves/renames/redirects in the last week, and no problems to report.
[11:00:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow whitelisted external hyperlinks in edit summary/block log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14892  summary; +comment (10siebrand)
[11:00:29] <TimStarling>	good
[11:00:50] <TimStarling>	the developer was VasilevVV
[11:01:00] <Morbus>	TimStarling: about the only thing i can think of is already warned against...
[11:01:02] <TimStarling>	if you're looking for someone to thank
[11:01:26] <Morbus>	which is: if you attempt to move something to an existing name, it complains about "(Object)", not the actual filename.
[11:01:42] <Morbus>	ah, dammit. i saw them in here the other day
[11:01:49] <TimStarling>	sounds like a bug
[11:02:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create hook (NotifyOnPageChangeComplete) to collect information of page's changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14894  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:04:28] <CIA-56>	03mfarag * r39131 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.alias.php: Update special page aliases for ar and arz
[11:04:59] <Morbus>	TimStarling: i'll search, then file a bug.
[11:06:45] <siebrand>	TimStarling: can you add a few auto-assigns for bugzilla? (and in which format do you want the requested changes?)
[11:07:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong table schema / invalid queries in PostgreSQL (smw) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14071  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:07:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Caching issues with inline queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9738  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:07:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Supressed attribute output is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10279  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  SIMILE Timeline is broken by displaying bulleted or numbered lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14442  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:07:26] <TimStarling>	I can probably just make you a bugzilla admin, since you're taking an interest
[11:07:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Javascript conflict between Headertabs and timeline inline queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14897  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:07:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SMWRSSResultPrinter ignores query order when date is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14097  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:07:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SIMILE timeline sends too many requests for components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12590  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SMWSQLStore2 - attribute values are HTML-encoded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14595  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Re-format/style facts section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10935  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) article metadata in </ask> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10824  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "<ask>" not listed in Special:Version Parser extension tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11638  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:32] <siebrand>	TimStarling: if possible, please.
[11:08:32] <Werdna>	siebrand: You're doing a good job on bugs today.
[11:08:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Display subproperties using * operator in queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12822  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When importing a page, "Semantic Information" are not imported. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11856  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Property Type: Category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13213  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:08:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Value for Configuring Number Output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13317  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:04] <siebrand>	Werdna: well, I cannot close too many myself, but at least get some clarity whereever possible. Working my way down, from recent to older.
[11:09:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sort key in Template Output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13318  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of #ask+template in parser fucntions/annotations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13336  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:22] <siebrand>	Werdna: It gets a bit spammy on mass assignment, though :)
[11:09:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a tag that excludes all annotations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13570  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Property only usable once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13597  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spezial:Pages with Semantic Errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13598  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) EXIF to Semantic Data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13652  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image Tagging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14374  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:10:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) n-ary data in queries to templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14464  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:10:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New type for #ask queries: Total! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14835  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:10:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Other Table Layout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14895  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:11:48] <Werdna>	TimStarling: Could you also add a GlobalBlocking/TorBlock/AbuseFilter component?
[11:12:00] <TimStarling>	siebrand: does it work?
[11:12:09] <siebrand>	TimStarling: lemme check.
[11:12:20] <TimStarling>	you should have a new sidebar section
[11:12:37] <siebrand>	TimStarling: correct: Admin stuff
[11:12:43] <siebrand>	TimStarling: that should do.
[11:13:47] <siebrand>	TimStarling: what made you say https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14896 "appears to be fixed"? (Hidden SVG layers should not be rendered). I still see the black border in the sample rendering on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Mood_dice.svg?action=purge
[11:13:57] <siebrand>	(afk)
[11:14:27] <TimStarling>	siebrand: we don't use RSVG 2.22.2
[11:14:50] <TimStarling>	we use 2.14.0
[11:16:54] <MinuteElectron>	hmm
[11:17:11] <MinuteElectron>	how would one go about changing a function that doesn't have a hook from an extension
[11:17:50] <MinuteElectron>	since I would like to change the behvaiour of Linker::userTalkLink
[11:18:07] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Disallow lowercase-initial titles in User and User_talk namespaces regardles of the $wgCapitalLinks setting - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5134  +comment (10gangleri)
[11:18:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  disallow user pages and user_talk pages starting with lower case on case sensitive wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3904  (10gangleri)
[11:18:19] <TimStarling>	MinuteElectron: add a hook
[11:18:51] <MinuteElectron>	hmm
[11:19:31] <MinuteElectron>	That would be nice, but it seams like a very specific thing and having a string as the sole interface of a hook isn't great?
[11:20:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image move to existing URL shows "Object" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15114 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (morbus)
[11:21:34] <TimStarling>	make the hook as general as possible, but it should still be a hook
[11:22:18] <Duesentrieb>	well, an alternative is to hook into object instantiation, and use subclassing or proxying to inject functionality.
[11:22:30] <Duesentrieb>	but that's probably nasty for Linker
[11:22:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:UnwatchedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14903  +comment (10meno25wiki)
[11:22:42] <Duesentrieb>	did that for Page objects before, though
[11:22:58] <MinuteElectron>	i think i've found a suitable hook
[11:23:10] <TimStarling>	if the job is too simple for a hook, subclassing is hardly going to be the answer
[11:23:22] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[11:23:52] <MinuteElectron>	Linker::link has a hook I could use to alter the link =]
[11:24:01] <MinuteElectron>	still seams a bit hacky though
[11:29:59] <MinuteElectron>	wait
[11:30:11] <MinuteElectron>	someone added LinkBegin hook last week...
[11:30:13] <MinuteElectron>	wow
[11:33:25] <MinuteElectron>	LinkEnd would be more suitable though
[11:33:39] <MinuteElectron>	whcih was also added last week...
[11:35:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	TimStarling: since you're the Parser guru, what would you think of this patch to add a hook: http://rafb.net/p/9JcAOb68.html ?
[11:37:16] <TimStarling>	I'm not a big fan of hooks that run before the default
[11:37:33] <TimStarling>	it means there's no way for the extension to access the default text
[11:37:44] <TimStarling>	so if they need it, they just have to copy and paste
[11:38:29] <TimStarling>	I think you should generate the default output, and then pass it, along with the input and any useful intermediate results, to the hook
[11:38:44] <TimStarling>	then the hook can modify the output
[11:38:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update RSVG rendering software on Wikimedia cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15115 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (siebrand)
[11:38:56] <MinuteElectron>	Would there be any objection to make Linker::linkUrl public - I would like to use it and it doesn't seam a dangerous function...
[11:39:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hidden SVG layers should not be rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14896  (10siebrand)
[11:39:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	mmmh, thanks, I'll try to modify the patch to do so
[11:39:13] <TimStarling>	unless the point is to modify the URL before the default processing gets to it?
[11:39:39] <TimStarling>	MinuteElectron: what are you doing?
[11:40:28] <MinuteElectron>	TimStarling: Modifying the link to new talk pages.
[11:40:39] <MinuteElectron>	I want to generate a URL with a query string
[11:40:53] <MinuteElectron>	so am hooking on to LinkEnd and changed $attribs['href'] to my link
[11:41:13] <MinuteElectron>	but I would like to make the link using Linker::linkUrl
[11:41:37] <TimStarling>	what extension?
[11:41:47] <MinuteElectron>	LiquidThreads
[11:42:04] <Jack_Phoenix>	Tim: nah, don't think that's the point. just trying to make wikia's image whitelist extension (http://trac.wikia-code.com/browser/wikia/releases/200808.2/extensions/wikia/WikiaWhiteList/WikiaExternalImageList.php) work without core patches ;-)
[11:42:24] <MinuteElectron>	TimStarling: Its unmaintained, but I'd like to use it on a production site so am fixing the bugs for it.
[11:42:43] <TimStarling>	why does it need a query?
[11:43:08] <MinuteElectron>	the talk page links on history pages cause it to edit the discussion header, not start a new topic
[11:43:16] <MinuteElectron>	and the latter would make more sense
[11:43:37] <MinuteElectron>	this problem doesn't ocurr in core since there is little distinction
[11:43:44] <MinuteElectron>	but it is important in lqt
[11:43:52] <TimStarling>	the user talk links?
[11:44:02] <MinuteElectron>	on history pages
[11:44:15] <TimStarling>	or do you mean in the comments?
[11:44:40] <MinuteElectron>	the {Talk | contribs) links on history pages
[11:45:34] <TimStarling>	so you mean when they're red links?
[11:45:46] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[11:46:18] <TimStarling>	well, MediaWiki will pass redlink=1
[11:46:37] <TimStarling>	why don't you change the edit page so that redlink=1 makes it start a new topic?
[11:47:07] <MinuteElectron>	i see, that would make more sense, yes; will look for a hook.
[11:47:56] <MinuteElectron>	AlternateEdit seams suitable
[11:48:11] <TimStarling>	I assume LiquidThreads is already changing the edit page
[11:48:24] <MinuteElectron>	it uses a seperate edit page
[11:48:28] <MinuteElectron>	a special page*
[11:48:44] <MinuteElectron>	wait
[11:48:46] <MinuteElectron>	no it doesn't
[11:49:10] <MinuteElectron>	yes, it just changes the edit page
[11:51:04] <MinuteElectron>	no, in fact it just invokes different behvaiour on submit
[11:52:20] <TimStarling>	just hook MediaWikiPerformAction
[11:52:38] <MinuteElectron>	thank you
[11:52:56] <LaDuelo>	hi all
[11:53:40] <LaDuelo>	can someone help me ?
[11:54:12] <Emufarmers>	Probably
[11:55:30] <TimStarling>	I'm looking for a picture of a disappointed horse
[11:57:01] <LaDuelo>	how can I set a background as on wikipedia main page. on the left side it is blue and on the right there is green background... how can i do that ?
[11:57:42] <Splarka>	how does a horse convey disappointment? inferred from situation, expression, behavior?
[11:58:04] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Horse-and-Gator.1024.jpg  <-- is this horse disappointed that this sporty buggy has replaced it as a mode of transport?
[11:58:33] <LaDuelo>	up
[11:58:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable alias "WP:" -> "Wikipedia:" for italian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15116 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (helios89)
[11:59:06] <TimStarling>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdGBQvlGVg
[12:00:23] <Splarka>	LaDuelo: inline style, <h2 style="display:block;background-color:#ccffcc;border:1px solid #00ff00;">Text</h2>
[12:00:26] <Splarka>	or sometimes site-css
[12:01:16] <LaDuelo>	thanks
[12:01:33] <Splarka>	the specific style for the green H2 on the main page, for example, is:
[12:01:34] <Splarka>	<h2 id="mp-tfa-h2" style="border: 1px solid rgb(163, 191, 177); margin: 0pt; padding: 0.2em 0.4em; background: rgb(206, 242, 224) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-size: 120%; font-weight: bold; text-align: left; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="mw-headline">Today's featured article</span></h2>
[12:01:50] <Splarka>	ick
[12:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable alias "WP:" -> "Wikipedia:" for italian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15116   +shell (10meno25wiki)
[12:04:44] <LaDuelo>	now I will get more attention with that green color :D
[12:04:53] <LaDuelo>	i mean sitenotice
[12:06:38] <MinuteElectron>	woot
[12:07:18] <Splarka>	http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/Shire_Horse/ClydeHorseDog.jpg  <-- this horse might be disappointed
[12:07:23] <Barnicle>	good morning.
[12:08:29] <LaDuelo>	umm does anyone makes logos here ?
[12:09:50] <jlerner>	 LaDuelo: no
[12:11:01] <LaDuelo>	oh well
[12:11:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) default action is not to create new thread (no subject) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15092  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[12:11:26] <LaDuelo>	Yeah, another question.
[12:11:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) default action is not to create new thread (no subject) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15092  (10minuteelectron)
[12:12:48] <LaDuelo>	Why changes to navigation bar do not appear? I have read about "touching" files and truncating objectcache database, but I dont understand how to do that.
[12:13:04] <LaDuelo>	I mean this : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Navigation_bar#Changes_not_showing_up
[12:13:32] *siebrand 	cheers MinuteElectron on!
[12:16:01] <LaDuelo>	up
[12:16:46] <MinuteElectron>	siebrand: one to go ;)
[12:18:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LiquidThreads uses deprecated addPrimaryWikiText() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14041  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[12:18:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882   +need-review; +comment (10siebrand)
[12:19:07] <LaDuelo>	anyone ?
[12:20:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) LiquidThreads uses deprecated addPrimaryWikiText() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14041  (10minuteelectron)
[12:23:25] <Extend>	i installed mediawiki 3 months ago but the directory is currently in /var/www/mediawiki , i want to work with it as a virtual host
[12:24:44] <Emufarmers>	Extend: So...move it?
[12:24:58] <Extend>	it won't work!
[12:26:58] <Extend>	The requested URL /mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[12:27:47] <Emufarmers>	Sounds like you haven't configured the vhosts correctly
[12:28:26] <Extend>	can u provide me with a good vhost conf file
[12:29:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Contributions page: DirMark eats the space after page name in Opera 9.51 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14881  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:30:54] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Annoying template vandalism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14878  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:32:28] <^demon>	siebrand: Hehe, I was waiting for someone to do that :-)
[12:32:45] <siebrand>	^demon: had to happen some day :)
[12:33:37] <siebrand>	who's our djvu guru?
[12:34:03] <^demon>	No clue. I've been looking at some of the outstanding Djvu bugs, and they're rather odd.
[12:35:40] <LaDuelo>	why no changes apply to my sidebar ?
[12:36:14] <siebrand>	^demon: gotta go with brion, then, as he added the support.
[12:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnailing fails after purging of djvu file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14872  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:37:18] <^demon>	Anything ForeignAPIRepo related can go to me. It's not API related, contrary to the name :-P
[12:40:43] <siebrand>	^demon: great.
[12:40:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) After upgrading to SMW 1.2. 1 and installing the SPARQL endpoint, SMW_refreshData.php doesn' t work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15117 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (lior)
[12:41:35] <siebrand>	^demon: haven't come across something related, I think.
[12:42:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After upgrading to SMW 1.2.1 and installing the SPARQL endpoint , SMW_refreshData.php doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15117  (10siebrand)
[12:42:49] <^demon>	There's at least two open bugs about it. I haven't had the time to sit down and play with them yet though.
[12:43:29] <song_>	Anyone is using fckeditor in mediawiki? How can I make "wikitext" be the default mode in such extension? I personally prefer text mode. The reason why I added this extension is because the users in my department request it. but I found out fckeditor has some problems and corrupted some format in the rich edit mode. 
[12:46:26] <LaDuelo>	how to apply changes for sidebar ???
[12:46:48] <song_>	what about this. I created two instances wiki directories under htdocs. And both of them point to the same database. one with extension installed. and another without extension. is this a good idea? normally will two instances of mediawiki with same database work? 
[12:47:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) White space differences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13466  (10N/A)
[12:51:29] <LaDuelo>	why i cant apply changes for the sidebar ???
[12:54:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Standalone markup-to-HTML translator? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15118 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (anakin)
[12:57:43] <^demon>	The next thing they'll want is an HTML-to-wikimarkup translator :-P
[13:02:03] <Emufarmers>	Hmm: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Current_issues&diff=205847&oldid=204846
[13:02:18] <Emufarmers>	He must feel passionately about this issue
[13:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Search and Linksearch special pages belong in one group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14865  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:03:20] <song_>	using the latest build. just found a low issue. without login. click "discussion" then click "view source" in a page. it will give "permission error" error message. without clicking discussion, it will show the source. 
[13:05:12] *siebrand 	kicks CIA-56.
[13:05:36] <Emufarmers>	song_: Eh?  It shows the source either way
[13:05:57] <siebrand>	^demon: well, ever heard of WYSIWYG editing? :)
[13:07:50] <song_>	Emufarmers, hm... something wrong with my installation then. it's not a big issue. sometimes, if I click "discussion" without login, it will directly give me "permission error" message. not sure why. 
[13:07:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC rc bot should send an 'R' flag if the page is a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14843  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:08:19] <Emufarmers>	song_: Link?
[13:09:21] <song_>	Emufarmers, it's internal site. http://172.16.16.22/wiki/index.php5?title=Talk:Main_Page/Entrance_Delivery&action=edit
[13:09:31] <siebrand>	^demon: got an easy one for you if you have time (I think): https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14854
[13:10:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tooltip and accesskey for 'Cite this page' toolbox link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14854  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:10:28] <song_>	Emufarmers, it will give me permission error instead of source (that page is not created yet)
[13:11:01] <song_>	Emufarmers, probably because the page is not created yet. 
[13:11:04] <Emufarmers>	Well, if it's not created yet, it couldn't very well give you the source
[13:11:50] <song_>	Emufarmers, yeah, but it normally give "There is currently no text in this page" instead of permission error. permission error only happens with discussion pages. 
[13:12:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging box missing for diffs in Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15106  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:12:18] <song_>	Emufarmers, anyway, it's not a big issue. just post here for reference. 
[13:13:07] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39132 10/trunk/extensions/MetaKeywords/ (MetaKeywords.i18n.php MetaKeywords.php): 
[13:13:07] <CIA-56>	* add descriptionmsg
[13:13:07] <CIA-56>	* update credits
[13:13:07] <CIA-56>	* fix incorrect indentation
[13:13:07] <CIA-56>	Unconfigured state gives 4 notices. Requested a patch from author.
[13:13:07] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39134 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for MetaKeywords
[13:13:10] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39133 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (LqtBaseView.php LqtPages.php): * (bug 15092) Make links to non-existant talk pages from history (and other action) pages prompt the user to add a new section rather than edit the header.
[13:13:16] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39135 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php: * (bug 14041) Use Article::outputWikiText rather than the deprecated Output::addPrimaryWikiText.
[13:13:42] <Emufarmers>	song_: If it says "There is currently no text on this page," that's because you're not editing it yet; you're just viewing it
[13:14:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:14:17] <Emufarmers>	index.php5?title=Foo versus index.php5?title=Foo&action=edit
[13:16:05] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX)  Add hook to add HTML at end of Email section of user preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14864  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:23:21] <syli725>	!fckeditor
[13:23:21] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "fckeditor".
[13:23:53] *Werdna 	giggles
[13:23:58] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39139 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Add getRevisionId()
[13:24:00] <Werdna>	you missed the 'u'
[13:24:02] *Werdna 	ducks.
[13:25:09] <^demon>	siebrand: Ew cite.
[13:25:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  (10coban.holmes)
[13:26:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:28:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) An IPhone mod for cologne blue php and css skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831  -easy -patch ; +comment (10siebrand)
[13:33:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image technical data should preceede info about other sizes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14832  normal->lowest; +comment (10siebrand)
[13:35:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging box missing for diffs in Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15106  (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:39:16] <^demon>	siebrand: The two bugs I was talking about are 14980 and 14981. 
[13:40:25] <siebrand>	^demon: yes those really deserves a proper fix. And one that can be localised in all languages.
[13:41:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  +comment (10coban.holmes)
[13:41:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) move-subpages should have a collapsed log entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14818  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:42:04] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39140 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Fix broken execution order. Setting the bodytext variable once already sent doesn't work.
[13:42:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patch for Java Theora decoder: Computation of quantization matrices according to spec - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15119 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: OggHandler; (maikmerten)
[13:42:54] <^demon>	Maybe I'll feel motivated and do it today :-P
[13:45:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edits reversed in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14816  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:47:22] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39141 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: finish previous commit
[13:48:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Flagging box missing for diffs in Classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15106  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:50:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  (10siebrand)
[13:53:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:53:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  (10siebrand)
[13:54:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15056  (10stasielvova)
[14:03:13] <Zopieux>	hi all
[14:03:48] <Zopieux>	I need some help with a strange bug
[14:03:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805  -shell +need-review; +comment (10siebrand)
[14:04:40] <Zopieux>	my MediaWiki:Sidebar is bugging, why?
[14:04:50] <Smaug>	Zopieux: be more specific
[14:04:53] <Zopieux>	hm
[14:05:11] <Smaug>	brb
[14:05:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Words dropped from index if page titles start with two or more of the same words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15120 major; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (publicaddress)
[14:06:02] <syli725>	sorry to trouble you guys again. I met another weird problem. I tried to setup two instances wiki with the same database. /wiki/ and /wikitext/ connected to the same database. I thought it might work. but problems met. in the beginning, i use /wiki/ to browse. then I use /wikitext/ to browse. suddenly all links in the previous /wiki/ browse points to /wikitext/ link. right now, I want to set them back to /wiki/ link. how to do it? I know my words are c
[14:06:02] <syli725>	onfusing..
[14:06:02] <Zopieux>	i'm french, but it tells something like "the database cannot find the text of the page which exists actually"
[14:06:20] <Zopieux>	do you see, Smaug ?
[14:06:27] <Werdna>	Zopieux: what are you trying to do?
[14:06:42] <Zopieux>	just looking at the page!
[14:07:03] <Werdna>	is your wiki on the internet?
[14:07:13] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39142 10/trunk/extensions/NewsChannel/ (. NewsChannel.i18n.php NewsChannel.php NewsChannel_body.php): 
[14:07:14] <CIA-56>	Import ftp://rudata.ru/Packages/NewsChannel_1.6.zip as is.
[14:07:14] <CIA-56>	Licensed GPL.
[14:08:13] <Zopieux>	yep Werdna, but it's french
[14:08:29] <Werdna>	Zopieux: that's okay.
[14:08:37] <Zopieux>	do you want the url?
[14:09:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Words dropped from index if page titles start with two or more of the same words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15120  (10publicaddress)
[14:10:04] <Zopieux>	Werdna, do you want the url?
[14:10:24] <Werdna>	sure
[14:10:35] <Werdna>	I can understand a little french
[14:10:56] <syli725>	I think my wgScriptPath has been modifed in the database somehow. which table has that value? 
[14:11:58] <Zopieux>	http://beta.wiki.alwaysdata.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar Werdna :)
[14:12:02] <Zopieux>	thanks for helping
[14:12:17] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: it's not in the database at all.
[14:12:38] <Duesentrieb>	!config | syli725
[14:12:38] --mwbot--	syli725: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[14:12:46] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, did you understand my problem? I know it's confusion... maybe I should restart my apache server ... 
[14:13:58] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: err, two wikis using the same database doesn't make sense. well, if you use different db prefixes, then it'S ok. otherwise... it would be the same wiki, no? because it has the same content?
[14:14:02] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39143 10/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/ImageTagging_body.php: E_STRICT
[14:14:10] <Werdna>	Zopieux: are you using any extensions?
[14:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Words dropped from index if page titles start with two or more of the same words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15120  (10publicaddress)
[14:14:37] <Zopieux>	Werdna, ParserFunctions
[14:14:43] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: if you really tried that, you may well have broken something. the effect you saw with links pointing to the wrong place was probably caused by the parser cache storing rendered pages in the database.
[14:14:52] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, it does make sense if I want one interface support an extension and another interface doesn't support that extension.  
[14:15:08] <Werdna>	mmm, postgres
[14:15:10] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: not going to work.
[14:15:30] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: actually, i'd say it's bound to crash and burn.
[14:15:44] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, yeah, I tried that. I know it doen't work probably. I removed the second instance already. not sure how to change it back. if it's stored in some kind of cache. how to clean it? 
[14:16:22] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: all caches are purged when you edit your localsettings.php
[14:16:33] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, let me try it...
[14:16:56] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: i mean, if you are very very carefull, it *might* be possible to use two interfaces to the same wiki db... but... no guarantees. one of the most important bits is that you must not cache anythign to the database. which happens per default.
[14:17:15] <Duesentrieb>	but... ugh. it feels very scary. 
[14:17:21] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, haha, it works. thanks  a lot  for your help. 
[14:17:51] <Zopieux>	any idea, Werdna ?
[14:18:27] <Werdna>	Zopieux: unfortunately, it's 12:20am. Must sleep.
[14:18:30] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: if you want to give it anotehr shot, make sure to not use db for caching. turn it off completly, or use memcached (with different keys... not sure how to do it)
[14:19:12] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, yeah, you are right. I won't do it anymore. my current issue is : people in my deparment request rich edit feature. I installed fckeditor. it works well in 95% of time. But sometimes it will destroy the correct format. I personally prefer wikitext by default. I couldn't find a way to make wikitext by default when fckeditor extension is enabled. 
[14:20:19] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, when the fckeditor is enabled, it will always load the rich edit first. this is very annoyed to me. it can destroy my main page format easily. 
[14:20:43] <Duesentrieb>	that's a general problem with rich text editors: they don#t work with complex markup
[14:20:50] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39144 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Add prependHTML() for extensions to avoid direct field calls
[14:20:57] <Duesentrieb>	dunno if fckeditor has a user preference to turn it off per default. it should have
[14:21:02] <Duesentrieb>	you can probably do it using user JS
[14:21:18] <Duesentrieb>	but i don't know how, since i never looked into fcke
[14:21:52] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, user JS? hm.. I can look into this. not sure how to use. thanks. 
[14:21:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  +comment (10webboy)
[14:22:06] <Jelte>	^ new patch
[14:22:19] <Duesentrieb>	syli725: put some javascript code into user:syli725/monobook.js and see :)
[14:22:25] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39145 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Use getRevisionId() and prependHTML()
[14:22:27] <Zopieux>	guys, it is not possible at all to do some programming operations such as for loops in mediwiki?
[14:22:38] <Duesentrieb>	Zopieux: no, it's not.
[14:22:42] <syli725>	Duesentrieb, thanks. 
[14:22:47] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39146 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/SpecialRemoveGlobalBlock.php: move message
[14:22:48] <Zopieux>	Duesentrieb, quite annoying
[14:22:50] <Duesentrieb>	Zopieux: because it would be impossible to make sure the page ever renders.
[14:22:57] <Zopieux>	why?
[14:23:10] <Zopieux>	a simple for loop with incrementation is simple
[14:23:37] <Zopieux>	like {{ #for: 0 | 45 | text to show }}
[14:23:40] <Duesentrieb>	Zopieux: but there's no way to verify it stays that simple. a foreach loop might be ok. there are extensions that allow that
[14:23:51] <Zopieux>	from 0 to 45: show "text to show"
[14:24:12] <Duesentrieb>	Zopieux: but generally... it's concious design decision. it's a markup language, not a programming language. if you want dynamic content, write an extension in php.
[14:24:16] <Zopieux>	can you give the name os these extensions?
[14:24:26] <Zopieux>	true, Duesentrieb
[14:24:28] <Zopieux>	just asking
[14:24:40] <Duesentrieb>	"loop" or "loops" or something.
[14:24:47] <Duesentrieb>	beware that thre are some old&broken ones
[14:25:03] <Duesentrieb>	ut i seem to remember that there's at least on decent solution
[14:25:23] <Duesentrieb>	there's also crazy stuff like turning mw into a processor for a stack based PS like programming language... but ugh :P
[14:25:56] <Zopieux>	hm :p
[14:26:25] <Duesentrieb>	Zopieux: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3ALoops - note that this has full WHILE computability power, i.e. your templating system becomes turing-complete. with all the nasty implications.
[14:26:41] <Zopieux>	okay yhks
[14:26:45] <Zopieux>	thks*
[14:27:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Words dropped from index if page titles start with two or more of the same words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15120  +comment (10publicaddress)
[14:36:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hide confusing 'move'-tab on user page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14592  (10N/A)
[14:37:26] <Shaiaqua>	when using $wgOut->redirect, it works with "pagename", but not with $wgSitename.":pagename", nor "template:pagename". Why?
[14:38:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  (10beasley)
[14:49:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805  (10siebrand)
[14:51:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A hook to enable putting options to the preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14806   +need-review +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[14:51:59] <piksi>	is there a way to list all the [[]] links in articles that are pointing to a nonexisting article pages?
[14:52:48] <AaronSchulz>	special:wantedpages
[14:54:36] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: can you please 'do' https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14813 :)
[14:54:45] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: it's probably fixed, if it was even a problem.
[14:54:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  (10ssanbeg)
[14:58:18] <^demon>	siebrand: You're awfully motivated today :-)
[14:58:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:Extensions-IssueTracker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15121 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Tasks; (sudheerinfos)
[15:00:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) revision getPrevious() getNext() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14813  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:01:47] <siebrand>	^demon: it's all about awareness.
[15:01:51] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: thank you.
[15:05:15] <^demon>	siebrand: Either that or spamming inboxes because you've assigned all 2100+ open bugs :-P
[15:05:55] <siebrand>	^demon: working my way back to 1.
[15:08:02] <eichi_>	hello, someone uses piwik? is there a way to _not_ count the visits from myself?
[15:08:44] <^demon>	1's already closed ;-)
[15:10:41] <piksi>	AaronSchulz: is there possibility to use special:wantedpages list in a template easily?
[15:13:32] <Duesentrieb>	eichi_: piwik?
[15:13:55] <Duesentrieb>	oic
[15:13:58] <Duesentrieb>	no clue :)
[15:14:28] <eichi_>	Duesentrieb, yes
[15:17:43] <Emufarmers>	eichi_, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Piwik_Integration ?  It says it already excludes admins' visits.
[15:19:19] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39148 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.js): Fix JS errors introduced in r39147
[15:19:19] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39147 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: code cleanup
[15:19:19] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39150 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove unused message 'redirectingto'
[15:19:19] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39149 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: removed one rel="nofollow"
[15:19:46] <eichi_>	Emufarmers, i dont use mediawiki
[15:20:03] <eichi_>	i only think, maybe someone here does know this
[15:20:41] <Charitwo>	this channel is primarily for mediawiki support, you'll probably better off finding a support channel (or forum) for piwiki 
[15:22:51] <Duesentrieb>	Charitwo: while you are right, piwik is not a wiki (i thought so too at first)
[15:22:57] <^demon>	Who was it that asks people to put in patches for piwik.
[15:22:59] <Duesentrieb>	it's free web analytics
[15:23:14] <Charitwo>	Duesentrieb: typo methinks, i just woke up :)
[15:23:40] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[15:23:45] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, time to fix dinner
[15:24:13] <^demon>	eichi_: If you can track down Isb1009 on IRC, he's the guy who works on it mostly.
[15:24:19] <^demon>	Back shortly.
[15:27:50] <vagamente>	hi all
[15:27:57] <vagamente>	need some help
[15:28:11] <vagamente>	how can i import  a feed inside a page?
[15:32:08] <kennethr>	Anyone know of a feature that e-mails a diff of a wiki page edit for pages on someone's watchlist?
[15:32:24] <kennethr>	plugin/standard feature?
[15:32:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  (10siebrand)
[15:34:00] <^demon>	kennethr: Feature request, bug open for it, can't remember the number offhand.
[15:34:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted categories continue to be cached until logout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11525  (10siebrand)
[15:34:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a "+" click feature to show supercategories above a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12065  (10siebrand)
[15:35:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:35:04] <kennethr>	^demon: where would I dig for said feature request?
[15:35:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:35:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:36:41] <^demon>	kennethr: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org....I just looked but can't seem to find it :( I swore it was there.
[15:37:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:39:00] <kennethr>	^demon: don't see it
[15:40:46] <^demon>	Nor do I :(
[15:41:46] <^demon>	Bug 4323 seems to be it, but I could've sworn there was a relatively newer bug about it.
[15:43:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[15:45:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GroupPermissionManager send error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14766  (10siebrand)
[15:46:09] *^demon 	kicks CIA-56
[15:46:09] <CIA-56>	ow
[15:47:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) UniversalEditButton shows edit button on edit page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14722  (10siebrand)
[15:47:56] *Charitwo 	hugs CIA-56
[15:47:57] *CIA-56 	hugs Charitwo
[15:48:26] <^demon>	Charitwo: We don't reward bad behavior :-)
[15:48:46] <Charitwo>	lol
[15:57:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  +comment (10webboy)
[16:00:00] *DarkoNeko 	pull hairs trying to install the OAIRepository...again
[16:00:13] <DarkoNeko>	if onyl the error message was more informative...
[16:00:34] <DarkoNeko>	like, telling where the heck he's expected to find what he's missing...
[16:02:15] <hampa>	how i hide a single page in my mediawiki installation
[16:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024  (10egoat_wk)
[16:06:29] <piksi>	is there a way to hide [edit] -links from === xyz === and beyond and only show them for the main paragraphs (the ones under == xyz ==) ?
[16:08:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:09:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:10:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[16:12:33] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) External Editor: input from HTML is passed without translating entities. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2610  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:15:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create autopatrolled group on Danish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15123 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (callerina)
[16:16:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need some control over User:Redirect fixer 's edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15110  +comment (10johnbroughton)
[16:18:47] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[16:19:04] <Jhs>	hi
[16:20:38] <ialex>	hi Nikerabiit
[16:20:41] <ialex>	-i
[16:20:44] <ialex>	:)
[16:22:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Problem when I include more than one special page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:24:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Undefined variable: r error on DynamicArticleList extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7626  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:25:03] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39153 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.php): (bug 15101) Displaying only bots edits in Special:Recentchanges now works again
[16:25:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RecentChanges doesn't keep state when switching show/hide bots , registered, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15101  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[16:28:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) property containing page can not link to media files after upgrade to 1.2. 1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15124 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (franz.borrmann)
[16:30:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024  (10egoat_wk)
[16:35:00] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Netscape 8.1.2 crashes when rendering under Windows XP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7680  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:38:22] <CIA-56>	03shinjiman * r39154 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[16:41:03] <songyun>	Hi, I installed an extension by adding a line into LocalSetting.php -- requrie_once("extension/..."). This extension is very useful but a little bit buggy. I would like to make it enable or disable on the fly. eg: if I use normal index.php, it will be disabled. If I use index.php?enabled=1 something like it, the extension will be enabled. something like that. any workaround for this? 
[16:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) </sort> seems to collect footnote at the wrong place. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8207  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:43:14] <ialex>	if( $_REQUEST['enabled'] ) requrie_once("extension/...");
[16:43:31] <qsheets>	** require
[16:43:46] <ialex>	:)
[16:44:05] <ialex>	i just copied the one of songyun ;)
[16:44:11] <qsheets>	i figureds
[16:44:22] <songyun>	ialex, thanks a lot. but I am a newbie on php. How can I use it? 
[16:44:31] <qsheets>	yay, for spelling mistakes
[16:44:52] <songyun>	ialex, where to set $_REQUEST['enabled'] ? in the URL? 
[16:45:06] <ialex>	songyun: in LocalSettings.php
[16:45:36] <ialex>	the line above the requiure_once() you want to be enabled on the fly
[16:45:41] <qsheets>	lol
[16:46:26] <aib>	I have a dozen wikis. what's the best way to unify the logins across all of them?
[16:46:52] <ialex>	you can try CentralAuth
[16:47:01] <songyun>	ialex, sorry, I didn't really understand. I would like different people to enable or disable it by themelves. eg: person A would like to use the wiki without the extension. person B would like to use the wiki with this extension. how can person A and person B do to handle the different cases? 
[16:47:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024  +comment (10kanjy.wm)
[16:47:52] <ialex>	songyun: and how want you to know which person want to use that extension?
[16:48:14] <ialex>	aib: but it requires to be correctly configured
[16:48:43] <Guido_>	Hi, we get a passthru error when trying to create a thumbnail. Any ideas why that could be?
[16:48:55] <ialex>	what's the error?
[16:49:08] <songyun>	ialex, what I want is to let the user to choose whether they want to use the extension.  eg: this might work: person A access the wiki with index.php. person B access the wiki with index.php?ext=1. with two different URL, it can achieve the different behaviors. something like that. 
[16:49:14] <aib>	ialex, thanks
[16:49:34] <Guido_>	http://nl.wikisage.org/wiki/Hoytema_van_Konijnenburg#Link
[16:49:39] <DSledge>	Is there a method that does the reverse of Parser::preprocessToDom?  I.e. take a PPNode_DOM object and transform it to wikitext?
[16:50:08] <Guido_>	Half of the error message falls off the page
[16:50:09] <songyun>	ialex, thus the extension is not enabled for everyone. it's just enabled for those people who want it. I am not sure if this is possible. 
[16:50:13] <ialex>	Guido_: do you have safe_mode enabled?
[16:50:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add option to not strip categories from input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8359  (10siebrand)
[16:50:29] <Guido_>	Ialex: yes, my hoist as
[16:50:33] <Guido_>	my host has
[16:51:34] <ialex>	Guido_: don't use thumbnails then (or at least not something that needs to call an external program)
[16:51:58] <Guido_>	Is there a way around this?
[16:52:34] <ialex>	songyun: so do what I said, and replace enabled by the param name you want to use in the url
[16:52:41] <ialex>	Guido_: maybe GD
[16:52:52] <ialex>	but PHP must be compiled with it
[16:53:02] <Guido_>	hmmm
[16:53:51] <ialex>	(MediaWiki automatically uses GD if it finds it)
[16:53:55] <songyun>	ialex, oh, sorry. I don't know that will work. so how can I acces the URL? index.php?enabled will work? let me try. thanks a lot. 
[16:54:42] <Guido_>	I found this but I'm not sure what it does http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Thumb.php
[16:55:08] <siebrand>	any disagreement about ExtensionLoader being obsolete?
[16:57:38] <ialex>	Guido_: it renders thumbnails when a user requests the image instead of when parsing wikitext
[16:58:15] <Guido_>	But it still requires unsafe mode, I guess?
[16:58:20] <ialex>	yes
[16:58:25] <ialex>	be back later
[16:58:50] <exobuzz>	i wouldnt call it unsafe mode. safe mode is a hack. it will be removed fomr php with v6
[17:02:02] <siebrand>	brion: in doubt between deleting ExtensionLoader or adding a file OBSOLETE first. Any advice?
[17:02:19] <siebrand>	(related to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9260)
[17:06:18] <alnokta>	TimStarling, there?
[17:06:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Words dropped from index if page titles start with two or more of the same words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15120  (10brion)
[17:07:34] <brion>	siebrand: hell i never even heard of it ;)
[17:07:42] <brion>	it never hurts to just stick in OBSOLETE though
[17:07:58] <siebrand>	brion: OK, will slap that on it for a few months.
[17:08:32] <TimStarling>	alnokta: hi
[17:08:48] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Update RSVG rendering software on Wikimedia cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15115  +comment (10brion)
[17:08:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade librsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10207  +comment (10brion)
[17:09:52] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39155 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionLoader/OBSOLETE: (bug 9260) ExtensionLoader is OBSOLETE
[17:09:57] <alnokta>	TimStarling, why this isn't working? http://134.102.141.18:22/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Loca.ogg
[17:10:17] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX)  ExtensionLoader needs updating to work with current extension conventions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9260  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:10:39] <TimStarling>	"This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes other than Web browsing. Firefox has canceled the request for your protection."
[17:10:59] <alnokta>	stupid firefox
[17:11:14] <alnokta>	you have IE?
[17:11:31] <CIA-56>	03skizzerz * r39156 10/trunk/extensions/GroupPermissionsManager/plugins/ExtendedPermissions.php: * (bug 14766) added compatibility for those using MediaWiki revisions 37299 to 37528, where the hook's parameters were changed from 4 to 3
[17:11:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade librsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10207  (10siebrand)
[17:11:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hidden SVG layers should not be rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14896  (10siebrand)
[17:11:43] <TimStarling>	no
[17:11:57] <TimStarling>	google to the rescue
[17:12:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SelectCategory removes indentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9848  (10siebrand)
[17:12:57] <TimStarling>	still, port 22
[17:12:59] <TimStarling>	it has a point
[17:13:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) GroupPermissionManager send error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14766  +comment (10skizzerz)
[17:13:36] <TimStarling>	what version of ffmpeg?
[17:14:16] <TimStarling>	is it the same as mine?
[17:14:17] <TimStarling>	FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
[17:14:22] <TimStarling>	very useful
[17:14:47] <alnokta>	it came with ubuntu
[17:14:52] <TimStarling>	so did mine
[17:15:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Replace extAddSpecialPage with normal $wgSpecialPages and $wgAutoloadClasses usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11493  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:15:10] <alnokta>	FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000-2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al.
[17:15:10] <alnokta>	  configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-pp --enable-swscaler --enable-pthreads --enable-libvorbis --enable-libtheora --enable-libogg --enable-libgsm --enable-dc1394 --disable-debug --enable-shared --prefix=/usr
[17:15:11] <alnokta>	  libavutil version: 1d.49.3.0
[17:15:11] <alnokta>	  libavcodec version: 1d.51.38.0
[17:15:11] <alnokta>	  libavformat version: 1d.51.10.0
[17:15:12] <alnokta>	  built on Jul 23 2008 22:38:24, gcc: 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)
[17:15:14] <faceface>	Sooo... I haven't heard back from brion wrt. my request for SVN access to a new directory under the extensions directory. What should I do?
[17:15:22] <faceface>	(I think I tried asking nicely...)
[17:15:42] <alnokta>	TimStarling, so i compile a new one with the options you specified? 
[17:15:45] <TimStarling>	it works for me, you've probably got a bad ogg file
[17:15:49] <brion>	faceface: was this sent in the last few days or a long time ago?
[17:15:59] <brion>	if in the last few days i'll read it shortly, it's monday morning :)
[17:16:09] <TimStarling>	I'm using the ffmpeg from ubuntu 8.04, it works just fine
[17:16:23] <faceface>	brion: cool
[17:16:27] *White_Cat 	waves to TimStarling
[17:16:32] <TimStarling>	hi White_Cat
[17:16:35] <faceface>	brion: I sent it last week some time.
[17:16:46] <White_Cat>	TimStarling would it be possible for me to borrow you for a minnute?
[17:16:57] <TimStarling>	yes
[17:17:43] <alnokta>	TimStarling, its the output ffmpeg2theora 
[17:18:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Include a radio button on the installation screen allowing the wiki' s contents to be licensed from the get-go as public domain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15125 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (nathanlarson3141)
[17:18:29] <TimStarling>	alnokta: apparently I can download it from you if I'm willing to wait an hour
[17:18:53] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39157 10/trunk/extensions/ee/ (ee.ini ee.pl): 
[17:18:53] <CIA-56>	(bug 11833) HTTP Authentication support for ee.pl/ee.ini.
[17:18:53] <CIA-56>	Submitted by: Marcel Toele
[17:18:55] <brion>	faceface: is there a real name or project attached to this? i'm not seeing 'faceface' in my records :)
[17:19:05] <TimStarling>	does it work in other decoders?
[17:19:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lots of images have disappeared from ku.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15111   +shell (10brion)
[17:19:24] <faceface>	brion: look for Hierarchy 
[17:19:30] <alnokta>	it plays if thats what you mean TimStarling 
[17:19:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Patch: HTTP Authentication support for ee.pl/ee.ini - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11833  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:19:34] <faceface>	brion: or dan.bolser
[17:19:43] <brion>	that helps thx :)
[17:19:52] <faceface>	cheers
[17:19:59] <White_Cat>	TimStarling then plz check pm :)
[17:20:04] <Heron>	i'm trying to use dumpBackup.php, and I'm getting this error: fwrite(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in [...]/wiki/includes/Exception.php on line 128
[17:20:10] <Heron>	any ideas?
[17:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow a user to add a specified group to themselves and remove it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15126 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (mike.lifeguard)
[17:21:14] <brion>	faceface: any past work, patches, etc i should be aware of?
[17:21:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lots of images have disappeared from ku.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15111  (10tfinc)
[17:21:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaFunctions extension: Add a function #mediapages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12108   +need-review; +comment (10siebrand)
[17:24:03] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Special: Cite produces invalid BibTeX for Mediawiki pages with special characters in the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9560  +comment (10ktc)
[17:24:53] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r39158 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/parser/Parser.php): Fixed incorrect detection of PHP's DOM module (bug 13770)
[17:28:19] <faceface>	brion: no, I've never committed before (unless you count bugs / feature requests as 'commits')
[17:29:24] <Heron>	noone knows what's wrong with dumpBackup?
[17:29:44] <faceface>	Heron: sounds like a missing file (from the php error)
[17:30:22] <faceface>	"supplied argument is not a valid stream resource" is php for 'no such file' IME
[17:33:16] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r39159 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport r39158: fix for bug 13770: incorrect detection of DOM module
[17:35:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Transcluded references can appear in wrong references section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5810  +comment (10webboy)
[17:36:37] <alnokta2>	TimStarling, are you downloading it ?
[17:37:04] <TimStarling>	no
[17:37:12] <TimStarling>	too big
[17:37:18] <TimStarling>	which might also be why it's failing
[17:37:54] <Heron>	faceface: any idea why the mediawiki install doesn't come with this file?
[17:38:10] <faceface>	which file?
[17:38:15] <Heron>	i have no idea
[17:38:28] <Heron>	I just assumed that mediawiki would provide working files
[17:38:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AjaxShowEditors does not work when editing new pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12367  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:38:43] <alnokta2>	so whats the limit of videos ;)
[17:38:50] <Heron>	the only indication on mediawiki.org is that it might be a missing AdminSettings.php, but that file exists
[17:38:53] <faceface>	alnokta2: your imagination
[17:39:17] <Emufarmers>	Heron: Did you check to make sure the file isn't there?
[17:39:19] <alnokta2>	faceface, well, 200MB seems to have defined it, may be less
[17:39:47] <faceface>	hmmm... 
[17:43:18] <Heron>	Emufarmers: if I knew which file it's dying on, I would check... unfortunately the error message gives a line in Exception.php, not dumpBackup.php
[17:43:33] <brion>	faceface: any patches on those bugs? :)
[17:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow multiple classes of footnotes on the same page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271  +comment (10webboy)
[17:48:28] <faceface>	brion: nope... plenty of whining though
[17:48:39] <faceface>	I'm lousy at php too...
[17:49:02] <faceface>	I'm not planning to hack the core parser or hook the thread... thing
[17:49:07] <wikibugs>	14(WFM)  citations incorrectly generated fail to point at valid reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13485  (10webboy)
[17:49:16] <faceface>	Wait now... I did put some code somewhere...
[17:49:45] <Heron>	it's fwrite( STDERR, $this->getText() );
[17:49:55] <Heron>	why would fwrite be unable to write to stderr
[17:50:30] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Google
[17:50:33] <faceface>	I'm user DMB
[17:50:37] <faceface>	or Dmb
[17:51:28] <faceface>	hmm... look at the last item on the TODO list that I wrote...
[17:51:49] <Heron>	k so php thinks STDERR is an invalid stream resource, making me unable to use dumpBackup.  how do I fix that?
[17:52:03] <TimStarling>	Heron: STDERR only exists in the CLI SAPI
[17:52:40] <Heron>	i'm using it from the command line
[17:52:48] <TimStarling>	CLI or CGI?
[17:52:57] <TimStarling>	$ php -v
[17:52:58] <TimStarling>	PHP 5.2.6 (cli) (built: May 16 2008 18:28:36) (DEBUG)
[17:53:02] <TimStarling>	see, that is CLI
[17:53:08] <Heron>	cgi :(
[17:53:10] <Heron>	1sec
[17:53:20] <Heron>	grargh
[17:53:28] <TimStarling>	you can use $stderr = fopen( 'php://stderr', 'w' )
[17:53:38] <TimStarling>	or $stderr = fopen( '/dev/stderr', 'w' )
[17:53:52] <TimStarling>	first one works on windows too
[17:54:07] <Heron>	this is a linux shared host... i'll use the second one
[17:55:52] <Heron>	dang
[17:56:00] <Heron>	can't open /dev/stderr (permission denied)
[17:58:07] <Heron>	php://stderr worked, but now I get "DB connection error: unknown error"
[17:58:30] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39160 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (36 files): 
[17:58:30] <CIA-56>	Localisation updates
[17:58:30] <CIA-56>	* Backport compatible localisation updates to REL1_13
[17:58:30] <CIA-56>	* Rebuild all files
[17:58:33] <Heron>	when I try to run dumpBackup
[18:00:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  +comment (10tstarling)
[18:02:00] <faceface>	Heron: try connecting to the DB from the CLI using the settings in Admin...php
[18:04:37] <piksi>	can anyone explain what's the point in mediawiki monobook skin to first declare the font as x-small and then use globalwrapper to scale it 127% ?
[18:05:08] <piksi>	seems to me like an odd hack
[18:05:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use of refs within templates. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6312  +comment (10webboy)
[18:05:38] <Heron>	yar, got it to work, thanks faceface (AdminSettings.php was empty :S)
[18:07:09] <CIA-56>	03ashley * r39161 10/trunk/extensions/ExpandTemplates/ExpandTemplates.php: (bug 11493) Replace extAddSpecialPage with normal $wgSpecialPages and $wgAutoloadClasses usage. Based on the patch in bug 11493 by Victor Vasiliev.
[18:07:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for Java Theora decoder: Computation of quantization matrices according to spec - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15119  +comment (10tstarling)
[18:07:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Replace extAddSpecialPage with normal $wgSpecialPages and $wgAutoloadClasses usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11493  +comment (10wikia.jack)
[18:08:14] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39162 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: toogle -> toggle
[18:08:19] <LaDuelo>	why I can't apply changes for sidebar ?
[18:10:50] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39163 10/trunk/phase3/languages/classes/LanguageSl.php: Fix fatal error regression from r39077 -- 'break 2' must become 'break' when the second-level switch() is removed :)
[18:11:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Multiple <references> shouldn't print same ref multiple times - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7466  +comment (10webboy)
[18:12:15] <Jack_Phoenix>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7803 -- now that looks nice...I wonder when namespace manager will become a core feature :)
[18:13:24] <brion>	heh * Fix a bug where you had to NOT have the globalunblock permission to remove a global block.
[18:13:26] <brion>	whoops ;)
[18:13:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol
[18:13:56] <^demon>	Inverse permissions, whoo.
[18:13:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	might've been quite nasty if global vandals were unblocking themselves, heh :P
[18:19:27] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39164 10/trunk/extensions/ExpandTemplates/ExpandTemplates.php: Fix syntax error from r39161
[18:19:48] *siebrand 	cerimoinally hands Jack_Phoenix a pointy hat.
[18:20:08] <Ando>	Hey guys, I has a question?
[18:20:12] *Jack_Phoenix 	notes to himself to actually test the fixes to avoid breaking stuff further :P
[18:21:54] <Ando>	...unless no one here can answer it?
[18:22:05] <jlerner>	Ando: jus task
[18:22:08] <jlerner>	just ask
[18:22:11] <Ando>	Oh, uh. 'Kay.
[18:22:13] <Ando>	Well.
[18:22:44] <Ando>	Before I ask, I'd like to note that I'm not the tech-guy for our Wiki, so I don't know all of the technical details, if they even matter.
[18:22:56] <Ando>	I'd just like to know what might cause the Wiki software to freak out about "&" in a title.
[18:23:14] <Ando>	It cuts off everything after the "&" making, say, "Hide & Seek" just "Hide".
[18:23:42] <Emufarmers>	Sounds like a bad rewrite rule
[18:23:44] <Ando>	It had done this before, but then our tech guy upgraded the software and it stopped.
[18:23:52] <Ando>	Server got hacked and now it's doing it again.
[18:23:57] <Ando>	Any ideas for a fix?
[18:24:05] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Ampersand_.28.26.29_problem
[18:24:14] <brion>	Ando: that usually means you've got something funny with your rewrite rules
[18:24:14] <Ando>	Whoa, I missed that completely.
[18:24:19] <brion>	ah like in that link :D
[18:24:20] <jlerner>	works fine for me - can you create a page with title Hide_%26_Seek ?
[18:24:45] <Ando>	I don't know, we haven't tried.
[18:24:51] <Ando>	I could real quick, if you'd like.
[18:25:02] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow references (<ref>) to be defined without adding this instance to the list of references (< references/>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12358  +comment (10webboy)
[18:25:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  +comment (10webboy)
[18:26:07] <Emufarmers>	Ando: Do you have root access to your server?
[18:26:37] <Ando>	Root access? As in access to the major PHP files, or...?
[18:26:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhancing the editing of references on Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12538  +comment (10webboy)
[18:26:48] <Emufarmers>	:\
[18:26:54] <Ando>	Sorry. D:
[18:26:57] <Emufarmers>	Why are you here instead of your tech guy? :p
[18:27:05] <Ando>	Well... he's a very busy fellow. :P
[18:27:17] <Ando>	I have FTP access, yes... I can install extensions.
[18:27:24] <Ando>	I just don't know what Root Access itself means.
[18:27:33] <Ando>	I don't have direct server access, though.
[18:27:36] <Emufarmers>	That's not root access; can you modify Apache's configuration?
[18:27:40] <Ando>	Mm, no.
[18:28:07] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  improperly closed references tag should result in an obvious error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12757  +comment (10webboy)
[18:28:14] <Ando>	I might be able to toss the link you gave to the tech guy, though.
[18:28:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Generate error for unbalanced <ref></ref>s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6199  +comment (10webboy)
[18:28:27] <Emufarmers>	Probably your best option
[18:28:41] <Ando>	Awesome. Thanks a lot for the link; I'd looked through the FAQ and didn't see that!
[18:29:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Generate error for unbalanced <ref></ref>s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6199  +comment (10webboy)
[18:33:57] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Request ability to copy wiki-markup of references in a single block, regardless of their positions in the text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14492  +comment (10webboy)
[18:34:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhancing the editing of references on Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12538  +comment (10webboy)
[18:39:54] <Smootherman>	Hello
[18:40:05] <Smootherman>	I need some help, can someone help me? :P
[18:40:48] <piksi>	perhaps you should first pose your problem and not ask if someone can help you with a problem nobody hasn't even heard yet
[18:41:01] <piksi>	then people could know if they can help you or not
[18:41:02] <Smootherman>	How can I get favicon on my wiki? 
[18:41:14] <alnokta2>	piksi, couldn't you just say "ask!" ?:)
[18:41:27] <piksi>	alnokta2: no! :->
[18:41:44] <piksi>	Smootherman: upload the favicon to the wiki html root, iirc the default skin had already a favicon link in the <head>
[18:41:59] <Smootherman>	Ive tried this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFavicon, but it wont work :S
[18:42:21] <piksi>	you sure your favicon is correctly made?
[18:42:22] <Smootherman>	ok
[18:42:26] <Smootherman>	yeah
[18:43:08] <piksi>	i didn't even know such variable existed, i just threw my favicon into the www root to replace the default favicon 
[18:44:15] <Smootherman>	it is a favicon on the mainpage, but not on the wiki :S
[18:44:32] <Smootherman>	so I tried this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFavicon
[18:46:05] <CharlotteWebb>	what mediawiki namespace page sets the title for special:search results pages
[18:47:04] <rainman-sr>	Charitwo, mediawiki:searchresults-title
[18:47:07] <CharlotteWebb>	by title i mean the <title> tag
[18:47:10] <rainman-sr>	err
[18:47:17] <rainman-sr>	CharlotteWebb, that was for you
[18:47:19] <Charitwo>	O_O
[18:48:04] <rainman-sr>	sorry, wrong tab-completition
[18:48:34] <CharlotteWebb>	oh i see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Searchresults-title&diff=160195979
[18:49:05] <CharlotteWebb>	i'm guessing the default value is the same thing in reverse?
[18:49:19] <CharlotteWebb>	"Search results - $1"
[18:49:22] <Smootherman>	.p
[18:49:35] <CharlotteWebb>	or at least that's how i remember it
[18:49:35] <rainman-sr>	search results for $1
[18:50:00] <CharlotteWebb>	hmm... i will try to persuade docu to revert to mw default
[18:50:56] <CharlotteWebb>	see i often have a slow connection and/or a lot of tabs open
[18:51:30] <CharlotteWebb>	i'd like to know right away that the title is a non-article
[18:51:45] <CharlotteWebb>	after clicking the "go" search button
[18:51:54] <rainman-sr>	that message is a leftover from the last time the feature was implemented i think
[18:52:18] <rainman-sr>	then it was reverted, and then again implemented a few weeks ago
[18:52:21] <piksi>	i have a question too: where are the js-generated watch-unwatch etc. message boxes defined? right now the boxes appear on top of the firstheading H1 but i want to move it below the heading
[18:52:37] <piksi>	i can't find any js scripts that refer to addedwatchtext 
[18:52:45] <CharlotteWebb>	so if it's loading in another tab and i only see the first part of the tab title i assume it's an actual article
[18:53:48] <rainman-sr>	i agree the default makes more sense, that's why i set it to be the default value ;)
[18:56:50] <CharlotteWebb>	oh crap this is from a year ago i see what you mean
[18:57:00] <CharlotteWebb>	are you an admin of enwiki
[18:57:04] <rainman-sr>	nope
[18:57:22] <CharlotteWebb>	docu probably does not remember doing this hehe
[18:57:40] <CharlotteWebb>	i'll get somebody to delete/revert it
[18:57:43] <CharlotteWebb>	thanks for the info
[19:02:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) References are not shown to Anons when they don' t have edit permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11224  +comment (10webboy)
[19:02:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cite interfering with other extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13841  +comment (10webboy)
[19:09:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &lrm; and left-to-right marker disappear when translations are exported - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12562  (10huji.huji)
[19:12:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &lrm; and left-to-right marker disappear when translations are exported - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12562  (10siebrand)
[19:17:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687  +comment (10webboy)
[19:19:14] *Jelte 	pokes CIA-56
[19:23:37] *Charitwo 	kicks CIA-56
[19:23:37] <CIA-56>	ow
[19:30:27] <Mike||gone>	$wgGroupsAddToSelf = array('group1','group2'); allows anyone to add group1 and group2 to themselves, yes?
[19:31:00] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:31:31] <Mike||gone>	do they also need access to Special:Userrights?
[19:31:57] <Charitwo>	that will give them access to special:userrights, and only for those groups defined
[19:32:24] <Mike||gone>	which - just the groupaddtoself line?
[19:32:31] <Charitwo>	should
[19:32:34] <Mike||gone>	:\
[19:32:39] <Mike||gone>	seems not to work...
[19:32:55] <Mike||gone>	oh, nm
[19:33:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Missing message in SpecialForm extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13056  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:33:11] <Mike||gone>	they simply don't have Special:Userrights listed on Special:SpecialPages
[19:33:14] <Mike||gone>	but they can acces it
[19:33:17] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39170 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/ (3 files): 
[19:33:17] <CIA-56>	(bug 13056) Fix for missing message (spotted by Lejonel)
[19:33:17] <CIA-56>	* remove eol whitespace
[19:33:17] <CIA-56>	* bump version (also given r39168)
[19:33:18] <CIA-56>	TODO:
[19:33:18] <CIA-56>	* use $wgExtensionAliasesFiles for special page localisation
[19:33:20] <CIA-56>	* delay message loading
[19:33:24] <Mike||gone>	so that is not what I want
[19:33:25] <Mike||gone>	thanks!
[19:33:32] <Charitwo>	that might be a cache issue
[19:43:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Unexpect behaviour when substing templates with substed parser functions. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8675  +comment (10webboy)
[19:46:24] <songyun>	ialex, thank you very much for your help. Your suggestion does work. 
[19:46:37] <ialex>	songyun: no problem :)
[19:49:05] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Bug when using colon in ParserFunction #ifeq: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8199  +comment (10webboy)
[19:49:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687  +comment (10webboy)
[19:50:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cite interfering with other extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13841  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[19:51:23] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39171 10/trunk/extensions/UsageStatistics/ (4 files): 
[19:51:23] <CIA-56>	(bug 13056) Fix for awkward message usage (patch by Lejonel)
[19:51:23] <CIA-56>	* remove eol whitespace
[19:51:23] <CIA-56>	* use $wgExtensionAliasesFiles for special page localisation, change the default special page name in the process, with backward compatibility for 1.13+
[19:51:23] <CIA-56>	* bump version
[19:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wrong link to [[User:All Users]] in UsageStatistics extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12997  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:57:06] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Notes/refs that have separate paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6311  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[19:57:48] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Nesting "font=red" inside #switch is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10283  +comment (10webboy)
[19:58:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade librsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10207  (10marti)
[19:59:13] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Text within span tags (with attributes) contained in #switch statements, vanishes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6801  +comment (10webboy)
[20:01:52] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Codefix for extension DocumentApproval - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14555  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:02:35] <siebrand>	Ajax search suggest is core functionality, isn't it?
[20:03:34] <rainman-sr>	yes
[20:05:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ajax search suggest should allow cycling in results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14620  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:05:41] <siebrand>	rainman-sr: thank you.
[20:05:53] <MostafaDaneshvar>	!subset
[20:05:53] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "subset".
[20:08:40] <MostafaDaneshvar>	!subst
[20:08:40] --mwbot--	Substitution is automatic conversion of wikitext of a page referring to a templatehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template, variable, or parser function when the referring page is saved. You can read more about it on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Substitution
[20:20:27] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Formatnum and expr gives erroneous calculation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11156  +comment (10webboy)
[20:28:03] <flyingparchment>	werdna should move to a country with a more convenient time zone
[20:28:08] <flyingparchment>	he's always away when i want to talk about afp
[20:29:15] <Jhs>	we should all live on UTC
[20:29:24] <Jhs>	no matter where we live
[20:30:57] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) #ifeq bug when using Magic words that include quotes (") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12448  +comment (10webboy)
[20:31:37] <brion>	flyingparchment: tried email? :)
[20:32:13] *AaronSchulz 	detects Tim-away on facebook
[20:32:17] <brion>	i've found that making a few svn updates, then trash-talking his code on bugzilla magically brings more updates overnight ;)
[20:32:36] <flyingparchment>	heh
[20:32:55] <flyingparchment>	well, if he's not here i just do it the way i want rather than discussing it ;)
[20:33:45] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39172 10/trunk/extensions/UsageStatistics/SpecialUserStats.alias.php: 
[20:33:45] <CIA-56>	Add Dutch translation for special page
[20:33:45] <CIA-56>	r39171 was for bug 12997.
[20:33:45] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39173 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (aliases.txt groups/mediawiki-defines.txt): 
[20:33:45] <CIA-56>	* Add special page localisation support for NewsChannel and UsageStatistics
[20:33:45] <CIA-56>	* Add support for NewsChannel
[20:34:50] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) UniversalEditButton shows edit button on edit page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14722  +comment (10brion)
[20:36:53] <Jelte>	brion: Could you please a look at my new patch for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537 ?
[20:37:51] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Image technical data should preceede info about other sizes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14832  +comment (10brion)
[20:38:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585  +comment (10bugs)
[20:40:15] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) #switch returns two results. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12828  +comment (10webboy)
[20:40:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Double-parse in parser function results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5678  +comment (10webboy)
[20:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Email notification mistakes edit for new page creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14901  (10brion)
[20:42:37] <wikibugs>	14(WFM)  formatnum formats template parameters instead of the returning result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12560   +testme (10webboy)
[20:44:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  formatnum formats template parameters instead of the returning result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12560  +comment (10webboy)
[20:45:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error of Wikimedia server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14956  (10brion)
[20:49:22] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) #ifexist: is producing line break if semicolon is first character - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14036  +comment (10webboy)
[20:49:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687  +comment (10webboy)
[20:51:03] <TwoTailedFox>	Heya
[20:51:19] <TwoTailedFox>	Q. Is is possible to engineer a MediaWiki installation with more than one Image Namespace?
[20:51:54] <MinuteElectron>	not really
[20:52:17] <TwoTailedFox>	So, not possible to have "Image", "Bild", etc on the same Wiki?
[20:53:13] <Duesentrieb>	TwoTailedFox: you can have aliases for namespace names
[20:53:36] <TwoTailedFox>	I haven't heard that way of doing it. Elaborate?
[20:53:37] <Duesentrieb>	TwoTailedFox: in fact, Image: always works, even on a german install where Bild: is the default. you can set up File: and Datei: as aliases, if you like.
[20:53:41] <Duesentrieb>	but it's all the same namespace
[20:53:57] <Duesentrieb>	!wg NamespaceAliases
[20:53:57] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceAliases
[20:54:07] <Duesentrieb>	TwoTailedFox: --^
[20:54:47] <Duesentrieb>	(note btw that Media: can not be used as an alias for Image:)
[20:55:13] <TwoTailedFox>	Thanks, I'll investigate that
[20:58:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  (10brion)
[20:59:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Parameter lost when using #ifexpr in another parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12033  +comment (10webboy)
[21:00:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:07:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  (10brion)
[21:11:24] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39175 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (17 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:11:24] <CIA-56>	Revert to r39053 after some complaints of things not working:
[21:11:24] <CIA-56>	M_L: currently it isnt possible to sight recent changes via diff @ dewikip:
[21:11:24] <CIA-56>	M_L: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roulade&diff=49442154&oldid=47689626
[21:11:24] <CIA-56>	M_L: the text of the button is (left version sighted, right draft in diff): Reset to Unapproved
[21:11:27] <CIA-56>	M_L: but the current version already is unapproved
[21:11:29] <CIA-56>	Raymond_: yeah please rollback scap of FlaggedRevs to previous the last scap
[21:22:03] <proletaire>	Hi, is the parser function #if supposed to work in mediawiki version 1.13.0rc1, and if not, how can I get it to work?
[21:22:13] <Simetrical>	!parserfunctions | proletaire 
[21:22:13] --mwbot--	proletaire: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[21:22:21] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39176 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: restore r39148 (not dependent on other stuff)
[21:24:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  +comment (10webboy)
[21:25:37] <Jelte>	brion: Patch updated https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537
[21:26:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Mailing list for Malayalam projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15012  +comment (10cbass)
[21:27:30] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39177 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: add message load call back
[21:28:13] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39178 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/ipvs.py: Fix bug where server.port is always 80 instead of the configured port
[21:29:25] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39179 10/trunk/pybal/debian/changelog: Version update
[21:31:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Illogical XML in sitematrix API output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14955  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:33:04] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39180 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: initialize $comment
[21:36:19] <flyingparchment>	whee
[21:36:22] <flyingparchment>	river@harmony:~/parser_native>./expr '"2008-01-10 01:00:00"d - (3 days, 2 minutes)'                                                              (1 job)
[21:36:22] <flyingparchment>	"2008-Jan-07 00:58:00"d
[21:37:21] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39181 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/ipvs.py: No need to get the port from the configuration if the object itself has it as essential attribute
[21:37:45] <alnokta2>	what was that job doing? 
[21:39:25] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, that's a strange output format.
[21:39:39] <flyingparchment>	i used the default one, i'll change it to be the same as the input format eventually
[21:40:06] <Simetrical>	Shouldn't the default use a number for the month?  At least that's what they usually do, with this sort of thing.
[21:40:20] <flyingparchment>	there are only three choices: US format, this format, or strict ISO format
[21:40:33] <flyingparchment>	strict ISO is unreadable, so i used that for now
[21:43:02] <flyingparchment>	oh, no, there's strict ISO, less strict ISO and that
[21:43:11] <flyingparchment>	but both the ISOs are unreadable ;)
[21:43:40] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, are you using GNU get_date or something like that, or rolling your own?
[21:43:47] <flyingparchment>	boost.date_time
[21:43:54] <Simetrical>	Ah.
[21:44:35] <siebrand>	Hmm, little help please on SpecialExport.php, Line 126: 		$catname = $wgRequest->getText( 'catname' );
[21:44:43] <siebrand>	That can have the form (wgLang = nl): "1", "Category:1", and "Categorie:1".
[21:44:49] <siebrand>	So I add: 		$catname = Title::newFromText( $catname )->getText();
[21:44:56] <siebrand>	 that works if I provide careful input.
[21:45:02] <siebrand>	It breaks if I enter rubbish in the form, so I expect my 'fix' would be harmful, as it does not properly check input.
[21:45:06] <Simetrical>	ISO 8601 is about the same as what you posted.  2008-01-07 00:58:00 is valid ISO 8601, AFAIK.
[21:45:10] <siebrand>	The real problem is in line 129: 			$t = Title::makeTitleSafe( NS_CATEGORY, $catname );
[21:45:19] <siebrand>	*Even if* the input already has a Category namespace prefix, it will add another.
[21:45:23] <Simetrical>	Of course 20080107T005800Z or something like that is also valid ISO 8601.
[21:45:25] <siebrand>	That's what I really want to prevent. How should I do that?
[21:45:38] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: hmm, the ISO formatter produces this: 20020131T100001,123456789
[21:46:24] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, that's using full precision in basic format.  It's valid to add hyphens between date parts and colons between time parts, and to use a space instead of a T.
[21:46:35] <Simetrical>	And to drop whatever that garbage is at the end, nanoseconds or something?
[21:46:50] <flyingparchment>	yeah
[21:46:58] <Simetrical>	I don't think you need a timezone indicator for ISO 8601 either, if you don't want one.
[21:47:19] <Simetrical>	Hmm, can you use a space instead of a T?
[21:47:34] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39182 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/ipvs.py: Previous fix did not work for monitors which got instantiated before the set of servers is handed over to LVSService
[21:47:47] <Simetrical>	Wikipedia says no, that's technically two different ISO dates, one date and one time.
[21:50:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024  +comment (10cbass)
[21:52:19] <flyingparchment>	there we go
[21:52:26] <flyingparchment>	river@harmony:~/parser_native>./expr '"2008-01-10 01:00:00"d + 3 days'                                                                           (1 job)
[21:52:26] <flyingparchment>	"2008-01-13 01:00:00"d
[21:53:01] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39183 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Add $wgOut refactoring back
[21:55:35] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39184 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialExport.php): 
[21:55:35] <CIA-56>	(bug 14790) Export of category pages when using Category: prefix now actually
[21:55:35] <CIA-56>	gives results. makeTitleSafe() is only used to protect against nasty input, so
[21:55:35] <CIA-56>	use NS_MAIN which is empty. Any namespace prefix in the input will be stripped
[21:55:35] <CIA-56>	in wfExportGetPagesFromCategory() by getDBkey().
[21:55:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Export remove "Category:" (or local name) from text box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14790  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:56:40] <Charitwo>	itsa Splarka 
[21:57:13] <alnokta2>	there is many splarkas?
[21:57:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068  (10innocentkiller)
[21:57:39] <CIA-56>	03mark * r39185 10/trunk/pybal/pybal/pybal.py: Sigh, missed a file in the previous commit... someone bring me coffee please.
[21:59:03] <Splarka>	I didn't know svn supported rfc (request for coffee)
[22:00:43] <alnokta2>	:)
[22:01:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New hook request UserMailer.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15068   +need-review +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[22:02:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgOut->setPageTitle() html entity escaping bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14773  normal->high; +comment (10siebrand)
[22:04:50] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39186 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:04:50] <CIA-56>	* Prettify table:
[22:04:50] <CIA-56>	** Use formatnum for better i18n
[22:04:50] <CIA-56>	** Add a message with the % number to allow i18n the %
[22:04:50] <CIA-56>	** Devision by zero returns a '-' instead of wrong 0%
[22:04:51] <CIA-56>	** Use Xml-functions
[22:07:43] <siebrand>	^demon: can I kick 14980 and 14981 your way?
[22:09:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge messages 'sharedupload' and 'shareduploadwiki'/' shareduploadwiki-desc' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14980  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:09:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Shared repo APIs should include 'repo-sharedupload' and ' repo-name' messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14981  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:09:48] <CIA-56>	03river * r39187 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (13 files in 3 dirs): initial support for dates and intervals
[22:09:48] <^demon>	Yes, will look later.
[22:10:56] <Sundance_Chess_>	n8
[22:12:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extract embedded text from DjVu documents for search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6421  (10siebrand)
[22:12:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Thumbnails of specific DjVu pages should link to the appropriate page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8479  (10siebrand)
[22:12:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support multi-page DjVu files in image galleries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8480  (10siebrand)
[22:12:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DjVu renderer doesn't handle malformed filenames properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8481  (10siebrand)
[22:12:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) high Unicode character: DjVu controls do not appear; (probably) as a result ProofreadPage does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10060  (10siebrand)
[22:12:40] <siebrand>	^demon|busy: great, I knew you would say that :)
[22:12:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Djvu thumbnailing should dynamically select PNG or JPG. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11259  (10siebrand)
[22:12:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bug du format DjVu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14291  (10siebrand)
[22:12:53] <Reedy>	bugzilla wont load for me :/
[22:12:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail links to individual DjVu pages have two "page" GET parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14771  (10siebrand)
[22:13:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support linking to djvu page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14788  (10siebrand)
[22:13:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnailing fails after purging of djvu file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14872  (10siebrand)
[22:13:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail links to individual DjVu pages have two "page" GET parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14771  (10siebrand)
[22:13:46] <Reedy>	siebrand, spaaam
[22:13:52] <Reedy>	has it just got delayed?
[22:14:02] <Dor>	yeah
[22:14:12] <siebrand>	Reedy: that's just what happens if you change props for 10 issues...
[22:14:15] <Dor>	he couldn't post so many in about 5 seconds interval
[22:14:17] <siebrand>	Reedy: cannot help that.
[22:14:21] <Reedy>	heh
[22:15:00] <Dor>	if I have my wiki on a shared host
[22:15:07] <Dor>	and I can't shrink images
[22:15:13] <Reedy>	siebrand, cheers for fixing #14790
[22:15:18] <Dor>	becuse it can't run in "safe mode"
[22:15:28] <Dor>	what do I ask from the wm
[22:15:30] <Dor>	?
[22:15:50] <siebrand>	Reedy: well, I am actually quite proud of that :)
[22:15:59] <Reedy>	the fix?
[22:16:13] <Dor>	yeah
[22:16:16] <siebrand>	Reedy: when I found the real solution, I got a feeling I was starting to understand 'something' about MediaWiki :)
[22:16:21] <Dor>	what do I tell him to fix?
[22:16:25] <Reedy>	heh :)
[22:16:27] <Dor>	linux server ofc
[22:16:43] <siebrand>	Reedy: even though it was s/CATEGORY/MAIN
[22:17:44] <Reedy>	is bugzilla down?
[22:23:17] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) kkwiki doesn't get MediaWiki:Common.js from DB after r29945 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12717  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:26:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix namespace names in the Hungarian localization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11488  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:36:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Wikitext for MediaWiki:Thumbnail_error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6044  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:39:03] <alnokta2>	siebrand, why didn't you start organizing bugs earlier? 
[22:39:35] <Splarka>	turnover for bug maintainers is high, eventually they get bitten
[22:39:38] <siebrand>	alnokta2: dunno. We'll see where it leads.
[22:39:54] <siebrand>	alnokta2: I'll probably be shot and die a quick death.
[22:40:01] <alnokta2>	lol
[22:40:46] <siebrand>	alnokta2: and I cannot do this every day. Have to make money somehow, too.
[22:41:58] <alnokta2>	i don't want you to be shot or starving of course, but... :P
[22:43:12] <alnokta2>	siebrand, just make it a habit :)
[22:46:32] <siebrand>	Hmm, so what would happen if I set all bugs that have beenmarked resolved before 2008 to closed?
[22:46:53] <MinuteElectron>	why would you do that?
[22:46:55] <siebrand>	I wonder if that can be done *without* the e-mail notifications...
[22:47:02] <brion>	siebrand: it would spam a lot of email
[22:47:07] <brion>	and not have any useful effect
[22:47:07] <Dantman|afk>	^_^ probably not
[22:47:25] <siebrand>	9563 bugs found.
[22:47:44] <MinuteElectron>	you could.... hack the database :D
[22:47:48] <Dantman>	Actually, on that note... I was considering a bit of an experiment at some point...
[22:47:48] <brion>	we don't really use the 'closed' state in our workflow, and i'm unclear what benefit it woul dhave to start (i can see a use for UNCONFIRMED at least)
[22:48:05] <siebrand>	I once started verifying/closing and almost immediately got feedback that I was spamming and what the hell that was needed for.
[22:48:58] <siebrand>	RESOLVED  	VERIFIED  	CLOSED
[22:49:04] <siebrand>	11821   	 65   	 237
[22:49:15] <siebrand>	last 2 are just not used.
[22:49:29] <MinuteElectron>	surely RESOLVED is synonymous to CLOSED?
[22:49:40] <flyingparchment>	MinuteElectron: RESOLVED means it's waiting for QA to verify the fix
[22:49:40] <Splarka>	surely some must be INVALID by now too?
[22:49:45] <flyingparchment>	QA will close it once they've done that
[22:49:49] <MinuteElectron>	i see
[22:49:52] <Dantman>	heh
[22:49:54] <flyingparchment>	we don't have any QA, so..
[22:49:55] <MinuteElectron>	so we need a QA now
[22:50:06] <Splarka>	a QA who can disable email notify when closing
[22:50:22] <Dantman>	^_^ or we need a way to remove the need for that from the software
[22:50:48] <MinuteElectron>	it could be filtered out at mailman level, one would suppose
[22:50:48] *Dantman 	debates the best implementation of a bugtracker integrated into MW
[22:51:01] <flyingparchment>	we should just use jira, its custom workflow support is great
[22:51:10] <Dantman>	MinuteElectron: Don't forget the CC list
[22:51:11] <siebrand>	Splarka: INVALID is not a status. It is a resolution. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status
[22:51:37] <mamendoz>	Hi
[22:51:44] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: people on the CC list would want to know about it being VERIEID or CLOSED.
[22:51:51] <siebrand>	Splarka: same issues I hear with Priority and Severity.
[22:52:37] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: as sie just pointed out, they don't always..
[22:52:59] <flyingparchment>	they would want to know if CLOSED or VERIFIED actually meant something
[22:53:07] <flyingparchment>	but it doesn't, so who cares
[22:53:12] <Dantman>	heh
[22:53:24] <siebrand>	Dantman: I think Mantis already works together with MediaWiki.
[22:53:39] <Dantman|afk>	^_^ Not as well as you think...
[22:53:58] <Dantman|afk>	And even then, all it really is, is linking
[22:54:08] <mamendoz>	Hi , I am trying to find documentation on how to enable extended toolbar in mediawiki...I found a link once(googling) .. that said something about editing mediawiki:common.js ... would someone help me?
[22:54:13] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: ah, you have used it?
[22:54:21] <siebrand>	http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=8054
[22:54:23] <Dantman|afk>	http://bugs.nadir-point.com
[22:54:39] <Splarka>	mamendoz: mwCustomEditButtons object
[22:54:41] <siebrand>	I am an i18n developer there, but haven't been active for a while.
[22:54:54] <Splarka>	lots of various help pages about it: http://www.google.com/search?q=mwcustomeditbuttons
[22:54:55] <siebrand>	I'd like to add the project to Betawiki, for localisation support.
[22:55:02] <Dantman|afk>	^_^ when I say integrated, I mean integrated
[22:55:30] <Dantman|afk>	;) Don't forget how well MW handles spam...
[22:55:44] <mamendoz>	thanks for the pointer
[22:55:45] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39188 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: reflect CU renames (bug 14350)
[22:56:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Checkuser log doesn't reflect username changes of 'initiators' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14350  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:56:24] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: I've worked with BugZero, Bugzilla, Cerberus, TopDESK, Mantis, and probably some other systems I forgot about. Didn't have "wow" with any of them...
[22:56:46] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: probably liked Mantis best so far.
[22:56:53] <Dantman|afk>	mhmm
[22:57:07] <Dantman|afk>	Though, it could use some improvement
[22:57:15] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: it always can.
[22:57:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) static HTML dumper broken? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13420  +comment (10brion)
[22:57:36] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: one of the biggest 'misses' in Bugzilla is the absense of roadmapping.
[22:58:08] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: tracking bugs suck and are spammy.
[22:58:24] <Dantman|afk>	^_^ What about how complex and unfriendly it is?
[22:58:39] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: yeah, that too :)
[22:58:42] <Dantman|afk>	heh
[22:58:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Checkuser should display expired blocks as well as active ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14979  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:58:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP/5.2.1 servers returning dual max-age headers on action=raw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14902  +comment (10brion)
[22:59:14] <siebrand>	Dantman|afk: and it got nastier since Tim gave me a whole new menu in bugzilla today...
[22:59:27] <Dantman|afk>	rotfl
[22:59:53] <siebrand>	"admin stuff" -> "whining" will be my favourite tool, I'm sure :)
[23:00:11] <siebrand>	"Whining" is when Bugzilla executes a saved query at a regular interval and sends the resulting list of bugs via email.
[23:01:14] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) crash general protection fault IEXPLORE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12482  +comment (10brion)
[23:01:19] <Dantman>	I was thinking of an experiment
[23:02:03] <Splarka>	hey brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1491#c3
[23:02:09] <Dantman>	A kind of expeiment in trying to free up our structure on extensions
[23:02:31] <Splarka>	you can still make your signature "subst:" and put in {{~~~:Main Page}} which translates to {{subst::Main Page}} in the wikicode
[23:02:35] <Splarka>	you can't cut and paste that, heh
[23:02:39] <Splarka>	never say "never"
[23:03:22] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39189 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Add some ids/names (bug 13899)
[23:03:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Add name and ID fields to the main Checkuser form and its controls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13899  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:03:33] <Dantman>	I personally don't like how restricted extensions are to wm svn
[23:04:39] <Splarka>	Dan: like a publically committable svn with just an /extensions ?
[23:04:53] <Dantman>	Nah...
[23:05:07] <Dantman>	What I don't like primarily is how restricted to a single repo we are
[23:05:14] <MinuteElectron>	how so?
[23:05:23] <MinuteElectron>	people are free to host in a seperate repo
[23:05:29] <MinuteElectron>	its just a waste of time for everyone else though
[23:05:39] <siebrand>	Dantman: what's the problem with it we are running into?
[23:05:54] <MinuteElectron>	having stuff in a single repo means localization is easy and people only have to check out once
[23:06:03] <siebrand>	Dantman: it is hardly ever down, it is reasonably fast.
[23:06:20] <siebrand>	Dantman: there are only a few dozen developers
[23:06:22] <Dantman>	Mhmm... if you're under the pretext of the flat type of system we're in
[23:06:45] <MinuteElectron>	what benefits are there of hosting in an external repo?
[23:07:05] <Dantman>	I was thinking of some way to have a central repo, but still allow people to develop outside in their own spaces despite it ending up in the central repo
[23:07:09] <brion>	> return ('' == 0);
[23:07:10] <brion>	bool(true)
[23:07:12] *brion 	stabs php
[23:07:15] <siebrand>	Dantman: well, I am aware of all kinds of other developments that have happended and are happening, and if you are going to say "GIT", Id' say 'nah'...
[23:07:39] <Dantman>	;) What if I said dual-vcs?
[23:08:04] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: and what would be the benefit of your idea?
[23:08:07] <AaronSchulz>	brion: ('' == '0' ) is false :)
[23:08:43] <siebrand>	Dantman: does not appear to be a popular term in Google's index.
[23:08:45] <brion>	but 0 == '0' is true :D
[23:08:57] <brion>	transitivity can go screw itself! this is php
[23:09:14] <Dantman>	central location for people to checkout from, diversity in what method of development people want to pick, and basically flexibility... there's no static list of what you can and can't do if you have your own repo
[23:09:15] <siebrand>	Dantman: I can imagine it is a pyramid-like structure?
[23:09:28] <Splarka>	'' == 0 and 0 == '0' but '' != '0' ?
[23:09:40] <Dantman>	;) I mean it as it is... dual vcs as in two version control systems
[23:09:46] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39190 10/trunk/extensions/LinkSearch/LinkSearch_body.php: 
[23:09:46] <CIA-56>	* (bug 13818) Non-functional and obscure namespace parameter in Linksearch
[23:09:46] <CIA-56>	Don't stick 'namespace=' on paging links when user didn't submit a namespace parameter.
[23:09:57] <siebrand>	Dantman: well, you can offer it. :)
[23:10:00] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: Anyone can make any extension they like and stick it in the current repo, I still don't see your issue.
[23:10:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Highlight target references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303  +comment (10ktc)
[23:10:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Certain special characters are converted to html in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12782  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:10:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Non-functional and obscure namespace parameter in Linksearch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13818  +comment (10brion)
[23:10:38] <Dantman>	auto-updates....
[23:10:49] <Dantman>	Just one of the features you can make use of if you have your own repo
[23:10:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add RSS with all data dump items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14794  summary (10brion)
[23:11:18] *siebrand 	eeks.
[23:11:20] <Dantman>	If you'll notice, whenever I make an update to one of my extensions, dev.wiki-tools.com has the updated code
[23:11:26] <siebrand>	221 open issues with patches in the repo.
[23:11:26] <MinuteElectron>	aka cron
[23:11:32] <siebrand>	That's about 10%.
[23:11:47] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: Workaround: * * * * * svn up
[23:11:48] <Dantman>	^_^ Cron is evil... I have a little system for actual commit updates
[23:12:08] <siebrand>	193 need-review.
[23:12:09] <MinuteElectron>	and auto svn up is evil
[23:12:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  API must be accessed through the primary script entry point error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13049  +comment (10brion)
[23:12:29] <Dantman>	Ya, if you're on a repo that other people have access to
[23:12:35] <Dantman>	Not if you have your own
[23:12:47] <siebrand>	1 has been reviewd.........
[23:12:48] <MinuteElectron>	how would others contribute to your seperate repo then?
[23:13:28] <Dantman>	That's the point of this diverse idea... a way to use multiple repos, but still put everything into a central repo anyone can commit to
[23:13:56] <MinuteElectron>	right, so auto svn up would then be dangerous
[23:14:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Certain special characters are converted to html in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12782  (10mike.lifeguard)
[23:14:21] <Dantman>	uhh... you're still not getting it...
[23:14:35] <MinuteElectron>	apparently not
[23:14:51] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Add "Site creations and closings" component - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12598  +comment (10brion)
[23:14:55] <MinuteElectron>	it seams like an awful lot of effort for auto svn up though.
[23:15:17] <Dantman>	Not just that... and don't underestimate the use of it
[23:15:21] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Make Special:Log/CheckUser an alias for Special:CheckUser/Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14718  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:15:21] <flyingparchment>	if you want a local copy of an svn repo, just use svk
[23:15:52] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: There are alternatives to a seperate repo for auto svn up though; what are the other reasons for seperate repos then?
[23:16:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Linksearch should default to all protocols ( protocol-less column for externallinks) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12810  summary (10brion)
[23:16:57] <Dantman>	like I said, that's just a use of flexibility... the idea is making it flexible so if someone has a use for it they can actually make use of it.
[23:17:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	AaronSchulz: What does "Only accessed via manual URL." mean in the context of bug 14718?
[23:18:07] <AaronSchulz>	there are no ui links to it
[23:18:12] <Dantman>	There are also some projects that don't fit well into the release cycle and the extension distributor
[23:18:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	there aren't?
[23:18:23] <MinuteElectron>	like?
[23:18:31] <Aaron|busy>	brion: he, line 27: "// This is horribly shitty."
[23:18:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	I can see one
[23:18:34] <Dor>	if I have my wiki on a shared host
[23:18:37] <Dor>	and I can't shrink images
[23:18:40] <brion>	:D
[23:18:43] <Dor>	becuse it can't run in "safe mode"
[23:18:49] <Dantman>	You ever looked at SMW and it's 'releases'?
[23:18:50] <Dor>	what do I ask from the wm
[23:18:54] <Dor>	linux server ofc
[23:19:06] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: the extension branching is hardly a release cycle
[23:19:25] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: i've always considered it more a guarentee
[23:19:34] <brion>	Dor: get them to install GD library, then you don't need external imagemagick
[23:19:46] <Dantman>	mhmm... well, ExtensionDistributor treats it like that... no support for tags
[23:19:55] <Dor>	I mean uploaded images brion
[23:20:12] <Dantman>	ViewVC has a nice snapshot feature, but ot
[23:20:17] <Dantman>	it's not used on wm
[23:20:46] <Dor>	http://www.hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia.com/
[23:20:49] <MinuteElectron>	extensions are free to create there own branches and tags
[23:20:49] <Dor>	lol? :o
[23:21:35] <Dantman>	And? Then how do they make downloads easy? The extension distributor is out of the scope then
[23:22:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585  (10bugs)
[23:22:19] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: modify extension distributor
[23:22:43] <Dantman>	When a far easier alternative is already available?
[23:22:50] <MinuteElectron>	what is this alternative?
[23:23:03] <Dantman>	ViewVC snapshots
[23:23:26] <MinuteElectron>	right, so ask brion to enable this
[23:23:31] <MinuteElectron>	i don't see the issue
[23:25:32] <Dantman>	oh well... it's a flexibility thing, and it is hard to grasp when you focus in on the tiny things... this wasn't the only thing I was thinking of...
[23:26:03] <MinuteElectron>	well so far everything you've pointed out can be solved without making multiple repositories
[23:26:20] <Dantman>	mhmm... because they are only small points
[23:28:05] <Chiggins>	hello room
[23:28:07] <Dantman>	actually, the flexibility of the idea might actually make things like wikia and their public repo easier to deal with...
[23:28:30] <Dantman>	^_^ Speaking of that, I need to find out how the hell I actually use my commit access
[23:28:42] <Chiggins>	i got a question
[23:28:54] <Dantman>	!ask | Chiggins
[23:28:54] --mwbot--	Chiggins: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[23:28:59] <brion>	use it for good, not for evil
[23:29:01] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) bugzilla-daemon@mail.wikimedia.org mail bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3403  +comment (10brion)
[23:29:03] <MinuteElectron>	wikia is just being difficult, if they really cared they could just commit it to the wikimedia repo
[23:29:05] <Dantman>	heh
[23:29:20] <Dantman>	Uhm... have you looked at it?
[23:29:44] <Chiggins>	i need to find all the images in an article, and get the link to the image... not just Image:kaadf.jpg, but the actual src link to the image
[23:29:58] <Dantman>	It's basically an aged duplicate of WM's repo, merged into an odd structure, with a bunch of Wikia alterations tacked in
[23:30:31] <Splarka>	server errors due to backend failure, slave/master desync or lag, or other common resource problems, should return 402 "donations required". disambiguations should return 300, unflagged revisions should return 203
[23:30:35] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Sourceforge trove categorization needs updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2268  +comment (10brion)
[23:30:39] <Simetrical>	Dantman, see, if we all used git they could maintain a reasonable branch.  :D
[23:30:45] <Simetrical>	Or possibly hg or Bazaar.
[23:30:49] <MinuteElectron>	so it would be wikimedia bending over backwards to help a commercial organisation
[23:30:52] <Simetrical>	If you want to give those inferior Windows users something to do.
[23:31:06] <Dantman>	Even running a diff engine will have issues... cause some things are aged and as a result won't work right with diffs
[23:31:12] <Splarka>	Chiggins: API should work for that
[23:31:22] <Dantman>	And again... it's one point... a small one
[23:31:36] <^demon|busy>	Whoo, really old bugs :-P
[23:31:39] <MinuteElectron>	are there any big points?
[23:31:41] <Chiggins>	Splarka: how would i go about it? i havent really used MediaWiki all that much
[23:32:01] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:32:05] <Dantman>	I didn't even think of this one originally... when flexibility is the topic, new points show up all the time
[23:32:46] <Dantman>	Simetrical: ^_^ You do know how JSharp and git are...
[23:32:49] *Splarka 	thinks
[23:33:13] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Highlight target references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:33:22] <Dantman>	You don't know how many times he's poked and made plans...
[23:33:35] <Dantman>	^_^ I wouldn't be supprised if wikia's repo turned gid
[23:33:37] <Dantman>	git*
[23:33:54] <Splarka>	Chiggins: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main_Page&generator=images&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url
[23:34:38] <Splarka>	oop, iiprop=url not needed
[23:34:44] <Simetrical>	Who's Kwan Ting Chan?
[23:35:28] <Simetrical>	Oh, he has commit access, anyway.
[23:35:59] <Chiggins>	Splarka: Sorry, I ment using PHP....I thought to using a REGEX to find any HTML image tags in the article after the wikitext has been parsed...
[23:36:11] <Dantman>	Oh, btw... commit access was another part of the experiment...
[23:36:28] <Dantman>	JSharp has actually been working on a PAM module for MW
[23:36:28] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) MediaWiki:Extensions-IssueTracker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15121  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:37:42] <Splarka>	Chiggins: ahh, well dunno about that, but I do know regexing the html is probably a bad idea
[23:38:19] <Chiggins>	whys that?
[23:39:42] <Splarka>	well, the images on a page are a basic indexed property of the page (or whatever the term is, magic-doodly tables), like links, backlinks, transclusions, external links, language links
[23:41:05] <Splarka>	you should be able to grab the list of images, and then process them to get the URL of each (whether local, shared, or missing)
[23:41:39] <Splarka>	$file->getFullURL() or something
[23:42:03] <Chiggins>	what i know how to do is grab a list of images from a specific page from the wiki_imagelinks Database table, but i just need to get the actuall URL of the images
[23:44:29] <Splarka>	well, if you know PHP, see what the API does when you use http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main_Page&generator=images&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url&iiurlwidth=30&iiprop=url|size
[23:44:38] <Splarka>	the source code is at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/api/
[23:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) <noinclude></noinclude> section is transcluded when used by system messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4926  +comment (10brion)
[23:44:53] <Splarka>	probably mostly in ApiQueryImageInfo.php and ApiQueryImages.php
[23:46:40] <Chiggins>	alright, will do, thanks a bunch
[23:50:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add (watch) to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15093  (10minuteelectron)
[23:53:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No space between page name and summary on Special: Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15127 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (minuteelectron)
[23:53:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:54:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add (watch) to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15093   +need-review +patch (10minuteelectron)
[23:56:18] <MinuteElectron>	Anyone want to review 15127 and 15093?
[23:57:20] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, are you sure the patch for 15127 is correct?  What's $watchlink?
[23:57:42] <MinuteElectron>	hmm
[23:57:45] <Simetrical>	Oh, it's from your other patch.
[23:57:54] <MinuteElectron>	yes, i'm sure i removed that though...
[23:58:00] <MinuteElectron>	will readd if needed
[23:58:17] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, use Linker::link(), not Linker::makeKnownLinkObj().
[23:58:23] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[23:58:40] <MinuteElectron>	will alter that, and any other occurances within that section of code for consistency
[23:58:42] <Simetrical>	Not sure if we want bug 15093.
[23:58:45] <Simetrical>	Seems cluttery.
[23:58:57] <MinuteElectron>	agreed
[23:59:08] <MinuteElectron>	close as WONTFIX?