[00:00:08] Fine by me. [00:00:40] 03(WONTFIX) Add (watch) to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15093 +comment (10minuteelectron) [00:00:44] 15127 good to commit? [00:00:58] Not as-is, since the patch uses a nonexistent variable. [00:01:15] oh right, will fix that [00:01:18] but other than that? [00:01:32] 03(mod) Add (watch) to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15093 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:01:33] It's a one-byte change. [00:01:47] well, I thought that it could have been removed or not added intentionally [00:02:04] svn blame is your friend. [00:02:11] one moment [00:02:12] Wait, hmm. [00:02:17] 03(mod) Add RSS with all data dump items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14794 (10tfinc) [00:02:23] Worksforme? [00:03:25] oh? [00:04:29] $comment = $wgContLang->getDirMark() . $sk->revComment( $rev, false, true ); [00:04:45] $block = " " . wfMsgHtml( 'rev-deleted-comment' ) . ""; ... return $block; [00:04:49] There's already a space. [00:04:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MinuteElectron [00:04:59] I don't see a space there. [00:05:06] What browser/OS? [00:05:25] Windows XP SP2, Opera 9.51 [00:05:36] Hmm, sounds like an Opera bug. [00:05:42] Check the HTML source, is there whitespace there? [00:05:45] *Simetrical checks in Opera [00:06:14] There is an odd character immediatley before the space though. [00:06:18] Confirmed in Opera 9.50 Beta build 1567 on Linux i686. [00:07:07] I'm guessing Opera eats spaces after directionality marks or something? [00:07:16] could well do [00:07:19] what is this mark for? [00:07:35] So that you don't get the comment screwing up directionality for the rest of the line. [00:07:44] oh, right [00:08:04] the workaround of adding an extra space would seam to not be an issue as other browsers will ignore the extra space [00:08:17] Right. [00:08:19] So it's safe. [00:08:23] 03(mod) Opera bug: no space between page name and summary on Special: Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15127 summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:08:25] Probably should report it upstream, though. [00:08:32] *MZMcBride eats CIA-56 [00:08:32] *CIA-56 tastes crunchy [00:08:34] Possibly it's even correct, although I doubt it. [00:08:43] Will commit then report upstream. [00:08:52] 03aaron * r39193 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: [00:08:52] * Add date selector [00:08:52] * Fix crappy XHTML [00:10:12] siebrand: http://www.hostedimage.net/images/tx055yt0uz4uv5xlcsf.jpg [00:17:07] anyone seen AaronSchulz? [00:18:31] ymmotrojam: he is Aaron | busy [00:18:39] ah [00:18:52] thanks [00:20:20] Aaron|Busy, there's an issue with FlaggedRevs. It's throwing 500 server errors... when you get a chance :-) [00:21:19] some people get that with certain special pages, not sure why [00:21:35] I'm getting it when pages are approved [00:23:34] Aaron|Busy, http://rafb.net/p/oi3sBg46.html [00:24:25] what version? [00:25:47] Aaron|Busy, I just svn'd up maybe 15-20 minutes ago [00:25:48] 03minuteelectron * r39194 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: [00:25:48] * (bug 15127) Add an additional space between the directionality marker and [00:25:48] summary as Opera 9.50 and greater does not display the space. This is a safe [00:25:48] work around as all other browsers will simply ignore this extra space. [00:26:19] bah [00:26:27] my test case doesn't reproduce this bug [00:26:31] ymmotrojam: and trunk too? [00:26:39] yeah, everything [00:27:12] hmm [00:28:32] hmm [00:28:34] MinuteElectron, make a better test case, then? Just remove chunks of the page until you've gotten rid of everything you can. [00:28:35] *Aaron|busy looks at http://www.bluehostforum.com/archive/index.php/t-3602.html [00:28:46] Aaron|Busy, it doesn't blank the screen, it just shows it in the little box below the tab buttons [00:28:50] Writing test cases from scratch doesn't work, usually, you should start with the known bad page and take out parts. [00:29:26] 03(mod) Allow anon users to define which version should be displayed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14321 (10dotkorg) [00:29:33] Simetrical: yup, got it [00:30:46] http://brlcad.org/~MinuteElectron/testcase-directionality.php [00:30:47] MinuteElectron, you missed RELEASE-NOTES. [00:30:47] yum yum [00:30:55] ffs [00:30:59] :( [00:31:03] will fix now [00:31:32] ymmotrojam: do you have a screenshot? [00:31:35] it will have a bigger entry in RELEASE-NOTES than the actual change [00:31:50] MinuteElectron, should be one line. [00:32:11] can reproduce. one sec. [00:32:49] Simetrical: Do I just have to list the change, or can I go into detail about why the change was made? [00:33:17] MinuteElectron, something like * (bug #####) Work around bug in Opera that was eating a space on Special:Contributions [00:33:22] ok [00:33:25] It should include all the basic relevant info. [00:33:45] It could just be "Work around Opera display glitch on Special:Contributions". [00:34:11] Important points: 1) Opera, 2) minor display issue, 3) Special:Contributions. (3) is less important and could be omitted for brevity if required. [00:34:21] did you two test it on rtl content lang wikis? [00:34:38] why would that make a difference? [00:34:59] since the space will be ignored if the first space is displayed [00:35:04] "* (bug 115127) Add an additional space before summary messages on Special:Contributions to avoid an Opera bug where the first space was hidden as it was immediatley following a directionality marker." [00:35:06] Aaron|Busy, http://picasaweb.google.com/ymmotrojam/ErrorMessages/photo#5233423098964316626 [00:35:10] "640k of ram should be enough for anybody..." *shrug* [00:35:37] MinuteElectron, that's unreasonably long for a RELEASE-NOTES line for such a minor bug fix. [00:35:43] :D [00:35:48] You don't need that much detail, that's why we give the bug number. [00:36:02] Except that the bug number is wrong too. [00:36:21] :'( [00:37:36] ymmotrojam: odd, doesn't happen on .de [00:38:24] Aaron|busy, want me to send you my FR config settings? [00:38:58] 03aaron * r39195 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser_body.php): Add handy external quicklinks (bug 12512) [00:39:09] 03(FIXED) Add quicklinks after IPs, to common registries/queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12512 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:39:12] ymmotrojam: you can pastinbin them [00:39:23] k, one sec [00:39:28] 03minuteelectron * r39196 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: * Update RELEASE-NOTES for r39194. [00:40:22] 03(FIXED) Opera bug: no space between page name and summary on Special: Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15127 +comment (10minuteelectron) [00:40:43] Aaron|busy, http://rafb.net/p/bIRlh839.html [00:41:04] http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/logs.html#errorlog [00:42:50] hmm, $wgFlaggedRevTags = array(); works for me [00:43:03] ymmotrojam: did you check the server and php error logs? [00:43:37] 354000 bugs... [00:43:42] we should think ourselves lucky ;) [00:43:58] not yet, is that the link you sent? [00:46:28] yes [00:48:14] MinuteElectron, upstream where? Do they have a public bug tracker? [00:48:27] is Zend Optimizer on? [00:50:00] Simetrical: bugs.opera.com - you report the bug then it gets put on there system [00:50:09] No public link to the bug, though? [00:50:12] nope [00:50:14] its write only [00:50:16] :( [00:50:27] checking [00:50:37] yep, shame [00:50:49] i guess it could be problematic with security bugs though [00:51:28] but they could be special cased one would imagine [00:54:38] night [01:00:30] ymmotrojam: I'll have to go for now soon, check that forum link and the error logs for now I'd wager [01:00:58] Aaron|busy, ok. still checking... http://rafb.net/p/NgLYSR62.html [01:01:47] 03purodha * r39197 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.i18n.php: Missing word added in message. [01:03:45] 03(FIXED) static HTML dumper broken? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13420 +comment (10tstarling) [01:09:30] 03(mod) Time range for checking IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14908 (10FT2.wiki) [01:23:32] Hello, I've just installed mediawiki on my machine, (windows Vista, Apache, MySQL) and I'm getting these errors upon attempting to view the main page. http://rafb.net/p/OZbPzG36.html [01:24:33] Eugh... damnit, that parser is disturbing [01:24:52] Mediawiki version 1.12.0. PHP 5.something. MySQL 5.0.51b [01:25:08] comment out the extension=php_domxml.dll line in your php config and restart [01:26:25] Where's the php config, relatively speaking? [01:26:58] Wouldn't the proper thing to do be use the hash preprocessor? [01:27:13] I have not a clue. [01:27:26] I've just finished installation, so everything's vanilla. [01:28:19] is there a way to figure out which one a site is using? [01:29:43] Well, what's the default? [01:30:01] DOM if it's loaded, otherwise Hash [01:30:21] Then I'm guessing it's DOM, else I wouldn't get the error, righ? [01:30:24] *right [01:36:23] Also, commenting that line out in the config (php.ini or php5.ini, right?) doesn't solve the problem. [01:37:22] did you restart apache? [01:37:38] Hang on, apache's crashed. One sec. [01:38:09] Yeah, I did. [01:38:13] Errors persist. [01:39:22] Any other ideas? [01:39:33] hi, is there a "standard" or "customary" size people use for the wiki logo? [01:39:33] dont use windows? [01:40:00] DanielTahar: I believe it is 155x155 [01:40:08] the max, that is [01:40:52] OverlordQ = I wish. [01:40:58] Any that I can do? [01:41:38] k [01:41:46] 03(NEW) Feed::xmlEncode() function should be declared static - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15128 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (codemonk) [01:43:10] woohoo, a way to arbitrarily bump my commit count! [01:47:57] 03(FIXED) Feed::xmlEncode() function should be declared static - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15128 +comment (10skizzerz) [01:48:05] *Skizzerz_Away kicks CIA-56 [01:48:05] ow [01:48:44] *MZMcBride eats CIA-56 [01:48:45] *CIA-56 tastes crunchy [01:49:04] there was one more... can't remember how to trigger it [01:49:09] *Skizzerz_Away feeds CIA-56 [01:49:16] hmm, nope [01:49:39] *AaronSchulz hugs CIA-56 [01:49:39] *CIA-56 hugs AaronSchulz [01:54:33] 03(NEW) Add output format (table or XML) as a Checkuser option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15129 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (FT2.wiki) [01:59:16] So that's a "no"? [02:00:35] anyone know how to deal with this: [02:00:37] Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1649 [02:01:04] anyone know how to deal with this: [02:01:06] Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1649 [02:02:03] hah [02:03:18] I'm assuming it's that the permissions aren't set right in that directory...? [02:03:30] bye [02:04:11] 03dale * r39199 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_data_proxy.php: basic entry point check [02:05:17] *Shinjiman rubs CIA-56's tummy [02:05:17] *purr* [02:07:06] Skizzerz_Away: http://code.google.com/p/cia-vc/source/browse/trunk/cia/LibCIA/IRC/Bots.py [02:07:24] yeah, that was the one I was looking for :P [02:07:26] Asday: what directory? [02:07:40] I would assume images, since it was while I was trying to delete an image [02:07:47] naught101: are you on a shared host? [02:07:55] but all the directories in images are rw for the user [02:08:07] Skizzerz_Away: I have a VPS [02:08:10] ok [02:08:38] chown the /images directory to the web user [02:08:53] which should hopefully fix the issue [02:09:01] if not, chmod the directory to 777 [02:09:56] ah yeah, thanks, some of the directories were owned by the wrong user :) [02:10:32] 03dale * r39200 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/ (4 files): basic entry point check [02:24:24] TimStarling: Hey Tim... would you be annoyed if I added functions to PPTemplateFrame to let things 'set' template variables? heh [02:24:52] yes [02:25:00] you really can't do that [02:25:00] heh [02:25:07] hmm? [02:25:31] that's what PPCustomFrame is for [02:25:31] whatsthat? [02:25:49] PPCustomFrame_DOM/PPCustomFrame_Hash [02:25:58] Oh heh... ya, though I'm going for a different purpose... evil I suppose [02:26:16] 03stipe * r39201 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mv_embed.js skin/styles.css): options window shows up in the right place, fixed other minor positioning issues [02:26:37] you can't set arguments in a PPFrame, because the data might be tightly packed in a binary data structure which doesn't efficiently support writing [02:28:22] Eh? I'm talking about the PPTemplateFrame_{DOM|Hash}'s stuff which consists of numberedArgs, namedArgs, and their expansion cache's [02:29:36] I haven't quite gotten around to writing the C implementation yet [02:29:45] oh... heh, evil... [02:29:48] but when I do, it's not going to support writing arguments [02:30:08] aww... to bad [02:30:59] you can write code for specific preprocessors for your own projects [02:31:07] but don't expect it to be deployed on wikimedia [02:31:56] ^_^ I wanted to do something like the VariablesExtension but that actually used the variables rather than some blah, constructed array... [02:32:14] Heh, Extension:Loops is going to break [02:32:57] If you're doing it in C, $frame->namedArgs isn't going to be loopable like they are doing, I expect... heh [02:40:31] 03shinjiman * r39202 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [02:40:31] Update the Chinese conversion tables [02:40:31] Last minute changes for the release branch 1.13 [02:42:23] ^_^ I'm considering on making WikiCode a newPP only extension... [02:51:26] 03(mod) Install News Channel extension on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14805 (10codemonk) [03:10:21] 03tstarling * r39203 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): By default, reject file uploads that look like ZIP files, to avoid the so-called GIFAR vulnerability. [03:48:42] night [03:59:11] test.cc: In member function `bool myplus_base::operator()(T, U) const [with T = int, U = int]': [03:59:11] test.cc:46: instantiated from here [03:59:11] test.cc:17: internal compiler error: Segmentation Fault [03:59:15] *flyingparchment wins at C++ [04:13:30] 03(mod) alphabetical order method for DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14971 +comment (10amgine) [04:38:35] 03mfarag * r39204 10/trunk/extensions/NewsChannel/NewsChannel.alias.php: Add special page aliases for ar and arz [04:51:36] 03mfarag * r39205 10/trunk/extensions/UsageStatistics/SpecialUserStats.alias.php: [04:51:36] * Add special page aliases for ar and arz [04:51:36] * Fix error for nl [05:05:13] 03raymond * r39206 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add message to be ignored per r39195 [05:21:31] 03(NEW) Clicking the What's this? link for minor edit checks the minor edit checkbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15130 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (docorbit) [05:21:56] 03(mod) Clicking the What's this? link for minor edit checks the minor edit checkbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15130 (10docorbit) [05:47:52] 03(mod) alphabetical order method for DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14971 (10siebrand) [05:59:39] 03dale * r39207 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): minnor style fixes [06:03:26] 03aaron * r39208 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser_body.php): note expired blocks (bug 14979) [06:03:41] 03(FIXED) Checkuser should display expired blocks as well as active ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14979 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:05:30] hand up if you understand doBlockLevels() [06:06:33] *hand down* [06:07:02] *AaronSchulz watches the crickets chirp [06:07:13] Odd verb choice. [06:07:24] *Splarka thinks 15130 can be fixed via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Minoredit [06:07:39] well, I guess that's not really saying something about doBlockLevels() [06:07:47] *Splarka then thinks 15130 can be fixed by changing MediaWiki:Minoredit to a non-wikitext parsing wfMsg [06:08:02] I bet none of you understand preprocessToObj() either [06:08:18] *Prodego doesn't understand anything in general [06:08:24] *Prodego is not a good test subject [06:08:25] tell us sensei [06:08:38] I'm just looking at doBlockLevels() [06:08:45] nobody understands it except Gabriel Wicke [06:09:04] so it's fun to work out [06:11:33] not maybe people who understand parser ;) [06:11:44] *many people [06:12:27] that's odd [06:12:51] i rewrote the arithmetic code for parser_native, and it worked the first time [06:13:40] 03(mod) Clicking the What's this? link for minor edit checks the minor edit checkbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15130 +comment (10herd) [06:14:22] flyingparchment: you sure? ;) [06:16:19] that isn't the only link that checks boxes [06:16:22] who made that rev? [06:17:02] any link inside a has that potential, yes [06:17:17] yep [06:24:55] AaronSchulz: i think so... plus the error messages are much better. because they're generated automatically ;) [06:25:00] river@harmony:~/parser_native>./expr '3 days % 4' [06:25:00] parsing failed: operator % cannot be applied to the types ('N5boost10posix_time13time_durationE', '10__gmp_exprIA1_12__mpz_structS1_E') [06:25:06] (okay, not perfect, but you get the idea) [06:25:29] 03(FIXED) User accounts appearing in a CU report, flagged if they have extra permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12558 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:25:40] I always hated the ' instantiated from here' message [06:25:56] usually happened with some subtle hard to find breakage [06:26:32] C++0x will make that much better [06:26:43] since it'll have concepts, which mean it can actually say what's wrong [06:26:59] ("'foo' does not implement the EqualityComparable concept" or so) [06:30:33] 03(NEW) If when browsing through logs(like Recent Changes) if that a page was deleted, and it is then created again, that instead of it being listed as Created, it should be listed as Recreated, and possibly specify under what previous policy it was deleted. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15131 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Daedalus969) [06:31:20] that doesn't sound too easy [06:32:41] maybe something like RN for Recreated New, but the latter condition about policy i'm not so sure about [06:33:33] hmm [06:33:54] boost::posix_time::seconds seems to wrap around at 100 hours [06:34:00] I love those uber specific bugs [06:39:21] 03(WONTFIX) Paging for CheckUser results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11789 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:40:58] *AaronSchulz hears Mad World play in his mind [06:49:54] AaronSchulz: Tears for Fears or Gary Jules? [06:53:22] 03raymond * r39210 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add some right descriptions [06:53:22] 03aaron * r39209 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: [06:53:22] * Show user groups (bug 12558) [06:53:22] * Some access flags [06:53:37] *Chari2 kicks CIA-56 [06:53:38] ow [06:56:35] Splarka: Jules [06:58:07] /s/([A-Z]{1})([a-z]*)/$1$2 r$2 [07:03:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism [07:03:39] Sorry! [07:03:42] Wrong channel [07:11:50] 03krimpet * r39211 10/trunk/extensions/Lua/Lua.hooks.php: [07:11:50] Many fixes to the Lua extension, including: [07:11:50] - Streamlined many parts of the code [07:11:50] - Fixed the debug hook so it properly intercepts infinite loops and such [07:11:50] - Documented the code fairly thoroughly [07:13:19] 03siebrand * r39212 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordReset/PasswordReset.i18n.php: [07:13:19] Namespaces do not have their default in German yet. [07:13:19] +1 pointy hat: Raymond :) [07:14:15] 03krimpet * r39213 10/trunk/extensions/Lua/ (Lua.php Lua.wrapper.php LuaWrapper.lua): [07:14:15] Many fixes to the Lua extension, including: [07:14:15] - Streamlined many parts of the code [07:14:15] - Fixed the debug hook so it properly intercepts infinite loops and such [07:14:16] - Documented the code fairly thoroughly [07:14:59] emacs VC fails me once again. :p [07:16:15] hello, i want to export all or part of the mediawiki via PDF, wich is the best plugin you suggest to use? [07:17:04] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection maybe? [07:17:37] Export Wikipedia to a PDF? [07:17:41] Sounds like a grand idea! [07:17:43] =D [07:17:57] it is live on http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version [07:32:23] <_wooz> lo [08:05:44] 03siebrand * r39214 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/aliases.txt: Add special page localisation for BoardVote [08:16:51] 03(mod) Contributions page: DirMark eats the space after page name in Opera 9.51 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14881 (10rotemliss) [08:27:51] 03rotem * r39215 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he. [08:52:23] 03mfarag * r39216 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/BoardVote.alias.php: Add special page aliases for ar and arz [09:00:59] sooo... [09:53:33] 03(mod) ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [10:00:09] 03(NEW) Internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15132 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin) [10:00:40] 03(mod) Internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15132 normal->highest (10bertrand.grondin) [10:02:29] 03(mod) Internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15132 (10bertrand.grondin) [10:04:46] We have a great problem with aliases file. It doesn't exist, see my bug. My wiki is down [10:06:48] 14(INVALID) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [10:10:21] 03(mod) Internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15132 +comment (10overlordq) [10:11:22] not to mention running an svn version and being surprised when something breaks is kinda silly [10:11:37] 03(mod) Template and its stable=1 version is different, stable=1/ 0 versions hang at Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15122 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [10:11:48] s/svn/trunk/ [10:14:25] 03nikerabbit * r39217 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: * More helpful error messages [10:18:07] OverlordQ: And, not to mention, you being incredibly unhelpful is also kinda silly. [10:18:19] 03nikerabbit * r39218 10/trunk/extensions/UsageStatistics/SpecialUserStats.php: * (bug 15132) fix exception thrown because of wrong filename set [10:22:10] sorry let me pull an excuse out of the magic 8 ball [10:22:22] 03(FIXED) Internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15132 highest->normal; +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [10:24:31] Anyone here use LiquidThreads? [10:24:45] not to mention, irregardless, it begs the question, why mention it if it is not to mention... [10:25:55] sometimes it actually helps to be familiar with the code to resolve things efficiently and quickly [10:28:37] in this case the backtrace was totally useles and misleading except perhaps the first line [10:32:26] 03minuteelectron * r39219 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php: * Mark LqtView::incrementedTitle as static (and also public as it is used from such contexts) to avoid strict standards issues. [10:36:32] 03(NEW) Indicate where the thread was moved to on placeholders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15133 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron) [10:36:44] 03(ASSIGNED) Indicate where the thread was moved to on placeholders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15133 (10minuteelectron) [10:42:47] 03(NEW) On thread history page move items, indicate target and source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15134 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron) [10:43:29] 03(ASSIGNED) On thread history page move items, indicate target and source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15134 (10minuteelectron) [10:46:29] hi. I set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; [10:47:06] but now want to have the tab "edit" still displayed instead of "view source" and [10:47:38] on request of edit page show msg "you have to login first ...bla" [10:48:23] is this an issue of rights or do i have to change in skin ? [10:48:33] you could change MediaWiki:viewsourceold and MediaWiki:viewsource to content 'edit' I suppose [10:48:36] i cant find any permission about view source [10:48:51] okay i try [10:48:59] the behavior of the href on both is the same, action=edit, only the text changes [10:49:18] as for "you have to login first".. probably another system message for that [10:51:31] yeah same action. But i have to get away from the whole code which shows the source [10:51:45] you don't want to show the source at all? [10:52:03] hi [10:52:06] yes [10:52:35] is this critial? I mean, do you just want to hide it casually? [10:52:35] must change some if use the rtl.css [10:52:59] or is it okay if they can access the source via action=raw, export, api, etc? [10:52:59] the PRE tag in css is wrong for rtl users [10:53:27] no problem if the source is accessible, it's just to be user friendly [10:53:40] 03(NEW) Visually subdue deleted replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15135 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron) [10:53:48] 03(ASSIGNED) Visually subdue deleted replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15135 (10minuteelectron) [10:54:18] my client wants to provide kinda travel wiki and the people should be reminded to login/register on edit action [10:54:27] I mean, on action=edit, do you want the

showing or hidden (regardless of the "you must login message" ) if they don't have permission to edit?
[10:54:53] <flo__>	i'd prefer hidden
[10:55:14] <flo__>	it is possible somehow, i know that. 
[10:55:15] <Splarka>	mmm, there is no ID specific to it...
[10:55:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Let users choose to hide deleted threads\replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15136 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron)
[10:55:51] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Let users choose to hide deleted threads\replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15136 (10minuteelectron)
[10:55:59] <flo__>	http://www.kroatien-lexikon.de/index.php?title=Stadt_Zagreb&action=edit
[10:56:05] <flo__>	for example
[10:57:18] <Splarka>	old version, 1.7.1
[10:57:48] <Splarka>	Werdna: you rewrote permission errors right? is it still possible to replicate this old behavior of not showing the <textarea> on view source if you must login to edit?
[11:00:05] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: Does Wikia use liquidthreads?
[11:00:13] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) On archive pages the radio button for "Any date" is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15137 (10minuteelectron)
[11:00:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) On archive pages the radio button for "Any date" is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15137 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron)
[11:00:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Format dates in a more attractive manner on archive pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15138 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron)
[11:00:35] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Format dates in a more attractive manner on archive pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15138 (10minuteelectron)
[11:00:48] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: dunno, they were looking into it once, even had dave on the payroll IIRC
[11:01:03] <MinuteElectron>	yeah, he was sponsered by them according to the page
[11:01:31] <Splarka>	flo__: you might be able to hide it via CSS 2/3: #viewsourcetext + #wpTextbox1, #wpTextbox1[readonly] {display:none;}
[11:02:16] <MinuteElectron>	shame though
[11:02:25] <Splarka>	anyway, any UI text you wanna change, see Special:Allmessages
[11:04:01] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron: rumormill says it is being tested somewhere, try #wikia for specifics
[11:04:17] <MinuteElectron>	that /j #wikia
[11:04:20] <MinuteElectron>	oops
[11:04:23] <flo__>	thx i try
[11:04:32] <Splarka>	MinuteElectron broke the internets
[11:04:46] <MinuteElectron>	=/
[11:06:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Footnotes content should appear in a tooltip - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7908 (10le.korrigan)
[11:06:30] <MinuteElectron>	Splarka: nobody cares :P
[11:11:54] *Splarka 	pouts
[11:13:18] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:13:34] <Splarka>	masquermodifications mineures | masquerrobots | masquerIP
[11:13:42] <Splarka>	Hideminor edits | Hidebots | Hideanonymous users 
[11:13:52] <Splarka>	was recent changes missing those spaces 14 hours ago?
[11:14:06] <Splarka>	Hide</a>minor
[11:18:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show a warning message, or optionally prevent, users from editing each others replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15139 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (minuteelectron)
[11:18:20] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.php?r1=38728&r2=39153 was ~19 hours ago, last sync was less than 13...
[11:18:27] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Show a warning message, or optionally prevent, users from editing each others replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15139 (10minuteelectron)
[11:22:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges doesn't keep state when switching show/hide bots , registered, etc - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15101 (10herd)
[11:26:19] <Nikerabbit>	wfm
[11:28:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges doesn't keep state when switching show/hide bots , registered, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15101 (10siebrand)
[11:35:08] <flo__>	fiddling with the system msg is quite messy. 
[11:35:34] <flo__>	there's no way to do it with permissions?? 
[11:36:26] <flo__>	badaccess-group1 maybe
[11:38:31] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39220 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: Use formatNum for another number
[11:41:21] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bagoep Could an admin on MW.org block, pretty please? :D
[11:42:18] <Raymond_>	Emufarmers: mom
[11:44:02] <LeonWP>	hey
[11:44:23] <Raymond_>	Emufarmers: done
[12:04:15] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39221 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php: * $post not $wgArticle.
[12:05:25] <LordAnubis>	Can someone tell me what the minimum tags need for import are? 
[12:06:25] <LordAnubis>	anyone?
[12:08:09] <Werdna>	LordAnubis: dunno, look at the code.
[12:08:28] <Duesentrieb>	LordAnubis: import of what?
[12:08:34] <LordAnubis>	Special:Import
[12:08:43] <LordAnubis>	I have a title+body text
[12:08:48] <LordAnubis>	i want to import it via Special:Import
[12:08:55] <LordAnubis>	so I need to add tags, such as <title>...etc..
[12:09:01] <Duesentrieb>	ah, i see
[12:09:12] <LordAnubis>	but there's also <comment> and <rev> and <revid>...etc..
[12:09:18] <LordAnubis>	i need to keep all these to a minimum
[12:09:40] <Duesentrieb>	you will need mediawiki, page, rev, title, and probably comment. maybe the date too.
[12:09:48] <Duesentrieb>	the ids should by optional for both page and rev
[12:10:07] <Duesentrieb>	you probably don't need the site info stuff up front, though i'm not sure.
[12:11:15] <LordAnubis>	ye, i dont need the site info, thats for sure
[12:11:21] <LordAnubis>	ok, i ll do some trial and error i guess
[12:11:31] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39222 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): redesigned "start collection" functionality: as soon as "Start collection" is clicked, the collection is active. It can be disabled from the Special:Collection page.
[12:11:50] <CIA-56>	03river * r39223 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (9 files in 3 dirs): rewrote most of visitors.h, and split functors into functors.h. this implementation uses a metaprogram to determine valid operators at compile time, instead of requiring every exception to be specified seperately.
[12:11:55] <Duesentrieb>	LordAnubis: there's a non-normative DTD, maybe that helps
[12:12:03] <LordAnubis>	wuts that
[12:15:25] <Duesentrieb>	LordAnubis: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Type_Definition> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export#DTD>
[12:15:36] <LordAnubis>	thanks
[12:18:09] <CIA-56>	03river * r39224 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (include/datum/visitors.h parser.h): 
[12:18:09] <CIA-56>	- parser: support singular for time units as well as plural
[12:18:09] <CIA-56>	- visitors: remove commented code
[12:34:16] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39225 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/lqt.css: 
[12:34:16] <CIA-56>	* Remove old comments.
[12:34:16] <CIA-56>	* Cleanup whitespace.
[12:34:16] <CIA-56>	* Align elements so it is readable.
[12:34:16] <CIA-56>	* Alter some margin definitions to be more concise.
[12:46:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for Java Theora decoder: Computation of quantization matrices according to spec - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15119 (10maikmerten)
[12:51:31] <e1z0>	hi
[12:55:13] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39226 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: forgot to remove comments. as long as caching issue is not fixed, $wgUser->isLoggedIn() must be checked.
[13:17:24] <Khairul_Syahir>	hi all!
[13:17:39] <Khairul_Syahir>	i need help with interwiki transclusion
[13:17:44] <Khairul_Syahir>	can anyone help guide me?
[13:19:41] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39227 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Use formatNum for another number
[13:55:06] <Jubei>	can somebody give me an estimate for the release of 1.13 final?
[13:57:01] <alnokta>	Jubei, when it is ready...
[13:57:21] <Smaug>	Jubei: Tim is in charge I hear.
[13:58:10] <Jubei>	I am not in a hurry, just want an estimate so that I can schedule in advance my upgrades. a guess even
[13:58:27] <Jubei>	my upgrades*
[13:58:57] <Jubei>	oh well. thanks anyway ;)
[13:59:23] <Schroeder>	well, it took a funeral to do it, but at least now I look spiffy...
[14:02:13] <flyingparchment>	VasilievVV: remind me what the problem was?
[14:02:41] <VasilievVV>	Logs are also under Linux :(
[14:02:55] <VasilievVV>	And I haven't installed wireless device driver yet
[14:03:12] <flyingparchment>	ok
[14:03:33] <flyingparchment>	well, when you have a chance, check what boost version you used. i noticed < 1.35.0 can generate parsers which don't work
[14:03:43] <flyingparchment>	(i should fix that, didn't get around to finding the problem yet)
[14:04:15] <neel_>	Hi!
[14:05:30] <neel_>	Hi! I've Installed Mediawiki and trying to use Syntax Highlight6ing like Wikipedia
[14:05:44] <neel_>	uising the <source lang="xxxxxx">
[14:05:49] <neel_>	but its not working
[14:06:09] <neel_>	can anybody tell me which extension I need to Install for it ??
[14:07:06] <neel_>	Can anybody Help me out ?? Please
[14:07:38] <neel_>	I've Installed Mediawiki and trying to use Syntax Highlighting like Wikipedia uising the <source lang="xxxxxx"> but its not working can anybody tell me which extension I need to Install for it ??
[14:08:45] <neel_>	I've Installed Mediawiki and trying to use Syntax Highlighting like Wikipedia uising the <source lang="xxxxxx"> but its not working can anybody tell me which extension I need to Install for it ??
[14:08:52] <neel_>	Can anybody hear me ??
[14:08:54] <Nikerabbit>	don't repeat every two minutes.. and you need to install geshi syntax highlighting extension
[14:09:26] <neel_>	But does wikipedia uses the same extension ??
[14:09:46] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[14:10:32] <neel_>	I saw that it needs additional pear based Installation does sourceforge supports it ?
[14:10:42] <neel_>	I want to Install wiki on sourceforge
[14:11:05] <Nikerabbit>	just follow the README or what was with it
[14:11:28] <Nikerabbit>	you will probably have other bigger problems at sourceforge
[14:11:32] <neel_>	ok Thanks
[14:11:37] <neel_>	trying
[14:14:00] <neel_>	Ya pear is Installed
[14:14:23] <neel_>	as you warned I am first trying to Install mediaWiki on Sourceforge
[14:16:38] <neel_>	Is there any site that lets open source Projects use mediawiki for free without any Adds
[14:17:51] <Richlv>	wikia, maybe ?
[14:18:02] <neel_>	wikia.com ??
[14:18:29] <MinuteElectron>	they have ads
[14:18:32] <Richlv>	http://requests.wikia.com/wiki/Request_Wiki:Request_a_Wikia
[14:18:35] <Richlv>	ok then :)
[14:25:26] <Morbus>	VasilievVV: thanks for the image renaming/redirecting. it works great. did file a small bug about it in the queue. nothing major.
[14:30:45] <r0mzo>	Fatal error: Class ldapauthenticationplugin: Cannot inherit from undefined class authplugin in /var/www/html/extensions/LdapAuthentication.php on line 54
[14:30:56] <r0mzo>	class LdapAuthenticationPlugin extends AuthPlugin {
[14:30:59] <r0mzo>	any idea?
[14:31:31] <wisky>	hello everybody
[14:32:08] <neel_>	just few days ago sourceforge sent a mail saying they have Installed PHP5
[14:32:24] <neel_>	and now When I am uploading the wiki I saw Its still PHP4
[14:32:29] <neel_>	very sad
[14:33:28] <wisky>	could anyone help me connect my bot to my wiki ?
[14:34:52] <Duesentrieb>	neel_: often, php4 stays the default but php5 is available by using .php5 or by using a handler directive in htaccess
[14:34:56] <Duesentrieb>	dunno about sf though
[14:35:11] <Duesentrieb>	wisky: you'll have t6o be more specific.
[14:35:22] <Duesentrieb>	wisky: what kind of bot? connect how?
[14:35:35] <Duesentrieb>	what have ayout tried? what happened?
[14:35:44] <wisky>	thanks Duesentrieb, but i have just found out theres an irc channel for pywikipediabot
[14:36:06] <Duesentrieb>	wisky: yes, you'll probably have more luck there. they also have a mailing list.
[14:36:10] <wisky>	i keep getting wrong answer or captcha answer when i connect
[14:36:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request Hook in Cite.php function stack - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9091 +comment (10siebrand)
[14:37:04] <wisky>	i think i better try help over there Duesentrieb, thanks very much for answering, ill be back for problems related to mediawiki
[14:37:24] <Duesentrieb>	thatuseually works better, yes :)
[14:37:37] <wisky>	ok, bye now
[14:39:14] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39229 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: be more precise what "cancel" means
[14:39:40] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39230 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: added Clear collection link in portlet
[14:49:28] <Extend>	#mantishelp
[14:49:30] <Extend>	:S
[14:49:34] <Extend>	sorry
[15:02:58] <Zathraz>	Hi. Is it possible to have dynamic content in a page: say the result of "cat /etc/aliases |grep someone" ?
[15:19:03] <Duesentrieb>	Zathraz: sure. write an extension.
[15:19:09] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions | Zathraz
[15:19:09] --mwbot--	Zathraz: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[15:20:17] <White_Cat>	TimStarling
[15:20:18] <White_Cat>	http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0711/
[15:20:27] <White_Cat>	wouldnt it be wiser to move some of our servers to japan?
[15:21:14] <flyingparchment>	what does consumer broadband speed have to do with where servers go?
[15:21:27] <TimStarling>	you can't get cheaper than free
[15:21:30] <White_Cat>	bw costs should be lower in japan me thinks
[15:21:37] <TimStarling>	which is how cheap it is in korea for us
[15:21:38] <White_Cat>	oh we pay 0$ in the us?
[15:21:44] <White_Cat>	oh korea
[15:21:55] <White_Cat>	TimStarling I was thinking of the floridan clusters
[15:22:09] <MinuteElectron>	well then there would be lower response times for the us users
[15:22:11] <Duesentrieb>	that was home dsl pricese, no?
[15:22:16] <MinuteElectron>	since the servers would be further away
[15:22:44] <White_Cat>	MinuteElectron speed of light...
[15:22:45] <MinuteElectron>	higher
[15:22:53] <MinuteElectron>	...
[15:23:03] <White_Cat>	and I believe japan is closer to san fransisco than florida
[15:23:04] <MinuteElectron>	well, not all the cables are fibre optic
[15:23:13] <White_Cat>	meters of fiberobtic-wise
[15:23:20] <flyingparchment>	geographical distance is completely irrelevant
[15:23:35] <White_Cat>	like I said
[15:23:41] <flyingparchment>	and no matter how fast light is, it still takes 350ms+ for packets to reach korea from the uk
[15:23:59] <White_Cat>	flyingparchment thats not so bad
[15:24:07] <MinuteElectron>	are you kidding?
[15:24:07] <flyingparchment>	yes, it is
[15:24:08] <MinuteElectron>	its shit
[15:24:22] <White_Cat>	I guess none of you know how much I wait... :D
[15:24:28] <White_Cat>	sucks to be me
[15:24:36] <flyingparchment>	the difference between 50ms and 350ms rtt for web browsing is very large
[15:24:36] *White_Cat 	assumes a fetal position
[15:24:38] <flyingparchment>	White_Cat: so because your connection is slow, everyone else's should be slow too?
[15:24:48] <White_Cat>	flyingparchment sounds fair to me :P
[15:24:57] <White_Cat>	anyways it was just a thought
[15:25:07] <White_Cat>	you dont need to be that critical about it
[15:27:55] <MinuteElectron>	it's off topic for this channel anyway
[15:34:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for the Japanese Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15024 (10egoat_wk)
[15:34:43] <t3kn01s3>	anybody?
[15:39:20] <alnokta>	does sp:nuke delete the all user's contribs or new pages only?
[15:40:08] <Nikerabbit>	neel_: you're wrong
[15:42:54] <White_Cat>	MinuteElectron since I am banned from #mediawiki-tech I cannot post these stuff there
[15:43:12] <White_Cat>	err
[15:43:15] <White_Cat>	wikimedia-tech
[15:46:20] <Meesis_Meeso>	are there any themes for MW?
[15:47:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Indicate where the thread was moved to on placeholders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15133 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) On thread history page move items, indicate target and source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15134 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Visually subdue deleted replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15135 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Let users choose to hide deleted threads\replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15136 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) On archive pages the radio button for "Any date" is not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15137 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Format dates in a more attractive manner on archive pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15138 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show a warning message, or optionally prevent, users from editing each others replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15139 (10dasch_87)
[15:47:52] <Meesis_Meeso>	?
[15:48:08] <MaxSem>	!skins
[15:48:08] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[15:48:18] <Sia0-0>	hi all
[15:48:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Box destroys layout in modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[15:48:51] <Sia0-0>	how can use pre tag in media wiki 
[15:48:53] <Sia0-0>	?
[15:49:17] <MaxSem>	<pre>some text</pre>
[15:49:20] <Sia0-0>	not for one line, for moreline
[15:50:01] <MaxSem>	multiline? just enclose in pre, as always
[15:50:24] <Sia0-0>	ok MaxSem tight
[15:50:33] <Sia0-0>	but for rtl wiki
[15:50:41] <Sia0-0>	must edit main.css
[15:51:04] <White_Cat>	TimStarling who manages wmf domains like wikimedia.org wikipedia.org ?
[15:51:36] <Sia0-0>	:)
[15:51:42] <Sia0-0>	u r right
[15:55:57] <MinuteElectron>	White_Cat: That is off topic for this channel.
[15:56:16] <White_Cat>	MinuteElectron there isnt a freaking place I can ask for it elsehwere
[15:56:25] <White_Cat>	you can complain to Domas if you like
[15:56:36] <White_Cat>	its a server issue I clearly know
[15:56:49] <White_Cat>	#wikimedia-tech is the right place to ask it
[15:56:53] <White_Cat>	I know
[15:57:39] <White_Cat>	the fact that a well meaning user like me is being mistreated like so is a different off topic issue of course
[15:59:32] <Atluxity>	You feel he was rude?
[16:00:54] <White_Cat>	Atluxity no I dont think so
[16:00:58] <White_Cat>	he thinks he is being funny
[16:01:02] <White_Cat>	or something like that
[16:01:37] <throwt2>	is there a way to include the contents of a file within a wiki post? like to show source code inline from an uploaded file
[16:03:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Box destroys layout in modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:07:09] <Atluxity>	throwt2: I didnt realy understand what you wanted
[16:07:37] <throwt2>	i uploaded source code through upload function. i want to display it on a page
[16:07:53] <throwt2>	s/source code/arbitrary text/
[16:09:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail issues with old images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 summary; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:10:35] <MaxSem>	throwt2, just post it to the page. no need to upload separately
[16:11:28] <throwt2>	i cherish the freedom to have it as a linked file, and viewing the same file... in case i want to wget instead of copy/paste some time in the future or something...
[16:11:53] <Atluxity>	But in some cases you might want it as a file, it could be php, java, html, xml anything... And then you should be able to have it displayed, just like an image, with color-parsing of the coding and such... That would be a nice feature
[16:13:48] <Atluxity>	throwt2: I havent seen that feature, it might be an extention, but I havent seen it
[16:13:54] <Atluxity>	would like to see it though
[16:41:04] <CIA-56>	03river * r39233 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add 'if <expr> then <iftrue> else <iffalse> end' as an alternative syntax to expr ? iftrue : iffalse
[16:47:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail issues with old images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:47:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) List cascading-protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15141 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (nurtsch-cv60)
[16:48:23] *AaronSchulz 	wonders if TimStarling is around
[16:49:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail issues with old images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:54:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail issues with old images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:27:48] <VasilievVV>	twincest: is GMP: a) crossplatform; b) really necessary to build (is there a NOGMP option)?
[17:28:15] <Heron>	.bmp images don't work on my wiki... but .jpgs and .gifs and .pngs work. For bmp, it just spits out a link that says "Image:filename.bmp". Any ideas what's wrong?
[17:29:29] <Heron>	you can see it here: http://xmswiki.com/index.php?title=SMS:Drawing_Objects_Toolbar
[17:32:50] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39234 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/File.php: $thumb could be null
[17:33:22] <twincest>	VasilievVV: it should be fairly easy to add, just change the integer_t and float_t typedefs, and #ifdef out the gmp-specifics in include/datum/functors.h
[17:34:26] <twincest>	it runs on win32 with mingw (native) or cygwin, not sure if there are native binaries
[17:37:10] <alicia>	hi
[17:37:38] <Nikerabbit>	any firefox users here?
[17:37:46] <Nikerabbit>	does pressing escape act as going back in history?
[17:37:48] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: hm?
[17:37:54] <Heron>	Nikerabbit: no...
[17:38:02] <Raymond_>	no
[17:38:08] <Heron>	so, anyone have any ideas why my .bmps don't work in my wiki?
[17:38:59] <Heron>	but every other image type does work...
[17:39:24] <Nikerabbit>	hmm demo effect
[17:39:36] <Heron>	http://xmswiki.com/index.php?title=SMS:Drawing_Objects_Toolbar
[17:39:45] <Heron>	the .jpg at the top works but none of the .bmps do
[17:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List previously deleted pages as Recreated instead of Created ( N; New) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15131 summary; +comment (10dan_the_man)
[17:48:50] <Heron>	no ideas, I guess?
[17:58:56] <cskmax>	heron, most browsers won't show the bmp
[17:59:13] <cskmax>	not a mediawiki issue
[17:59:46] <Heron>	mediawiki isn't generating an image tag
[17:59:49] <Heron>	so yes, it's a mediawiki issue
[18:00:02] <Heron>	if you actually looked at the link I provided, you'd see that
[18:00:08] <Heron>	this is why I provided a link
[18:00:49] <Heron>	furthermore, most browsers *do* show bmps.
[18:01:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RSS feed - bad links with dot and ) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15142 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (W)
[18:01:43] <Heron>	I don't know why you'd think they don't.
[18:04:02] <Heron>	ack
[18:04:03] <Heron>	gotta go
[18:04:04] <Heron>	bye
[18:11:17] <yannf>	hello, why does squid try repeatedly to purge an image which is *not* in the cache?
[18:11:54] <yannf>	or why does MW send a purge request for an object which is not in the cache?
[18:12:05] 	why would mediawiki know what's in the caches?
[18:15:05] <Jinx>	i just disabled anonymous editing via $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; ... is there an easy way to re-enable edits to just the Sandbox page? Does $wgWhiteListEdit work?
[18:15:29] <Jinx>	ah that's pre 1.5, i guess not
[18:16:03] <yannf>	mark, so the problem is in squid config?
[18:16:20] 	first of all, is there a problem?
[18:16:51] <yannf>	well it slows down the server quite a lot
[18:17:02] 	that's not my experience
[18:17:13] 	but I don't see how you could change it either
[18:17:59] <yannf>	so that's normal?
[18:18:10] 	of course it's normal
[18:18:22] 	mediawiki sends purge requests on changes, "remove this if you have it"
[18:19:01] 	it's not like mediawiki can keep track of what is in the cache in any way
[18:19:15] 	and that'd be pointless as squid already does that
[18:19:43] <Dantman>	Also, it would be rather intensive if you have multiple squids
[18:20:49] <yannf>	well the pb might be that it should be in the cache...
[18:24:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Special:Import on se-chapter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15065 (10mickewiki)
[18:24:47] <yannf>	it seems that squid doesn't cache my files / requests
[18:25:10] <yannf>	even if i am not logged in
[18:38:44] <yannf>	but why the same request for the same object is sent 15 times?
[18:39:01] <yannf>	successively
[18:39:13] <yannf>	is this also normal?
[18:49:39] <brion>	yannf: did you see the bugzilla entry on this subject?
[18:49:51] <yannf>	no
[18:50:20] <yannf>	i didn't know there was one
[18:54:42] <yannf>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383 this one?
[18:56:02] <yannf>	it looks like that the same here
[19:01:56] <SynrG>	meh. having a heck of a time trying to use Extension:AlternateSyntaxParser with textile. for one thing, the link to Jim Rigg's TextilePHP library is now dead :P
[19:04:14] <Sundance_Raphael>	cu all
[19:05:15] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39235 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (10 files in 3 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[19:07:20] <SynrG>	so I found someone who imported TextilePHP into their project and downloaded from their vcs
[19:08:05] <SynrG>	but every page displays a bunch of php errors at the bottom now
[19:10:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request Hook in Cite.php function stack - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9091 +comment (10ssanbeg)
[19:21:21] <twincest>	Werdna: what do you think about a select operator? select (FOO) in "a": 1; "b": 2; end
[19:22:04] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39236 10/trunk/extensions/ErrorHandler/ErrorHandler.i18n.php: Fix excellent Frenchism by IAlex :)
[19:22:29] *ialex 	hides
[19:22:47] <Raymond__>	hrhr
[19:23:00] *Raymond__ 	is not alone :)
[19:23:17] <ialex>	:)
[19:23:36] <siebrand>	Werdna: I added a few components to Bugzilla that you created. Let me know if you need more.
[19:24:07] <siebrand>	Werdna: second issue: Abusefilter-edit-throttle-seconds needs plural support.
[19:24:31] <Simetrical>	Hurrah, new Bugzilla admin?
[19:24:49] <ialex>	who?
[19:24:54] *siebrand 	hides.
[19:25:34] <siebrand>	anyone who feels like adding some plural support to 3 BoardVote messages? (boardvote notloggedin, boardvote nosession, boardvote notqualified)
[19:26:20] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[19:26:40] <siebrand>	Core message "siteusers" also needs plural support. (used in Credits.php)
[19:27:09] <siebrand>	history-feed-empty: Need to give user more 'outs'
[19:29:14] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39237 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (4 files): 
[19:29:14] <CIA-56>	* Updated extensions settings
[19:29:14] <CIA-56>	* Define a variable in Configure.settings.php, breaks in some versions of PHP
[19:31:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If PURGE command to Squid gets 404-cache miss, MW sends multiple retries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383 +comment (10yann)
[19:32:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Limit large range checks by date rather than edit count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15143 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (thatcher131)
[19:34:10] <shadowie>	weird problem, after moving my wiki to a new host everything seems to be working except the login page /wiki/Special:Userlogin - which just displays a blank white page. Tried turning on error_reporting, some debug variables in LocalSetting, nothing.
[19:34:33] <shadowie>	I use the phpbb user integration, but I get the same error even If I turn that extension off
[19:36:43] <shadowie>	it's as if something does an exit() in the mediawiki code, but only for that page and on the new host
[19:38:51] <shadowie>	anyone experienced anything similar? or got an idea of what it might be
[19:39:52] <Nikerabbit>	shadowie: what is the http response code?
[19:40:45] <shadowie>	Nikerabbit: 200, nothing in apache's error log either
[19:42:13] *Skizzerz_Away 	pokes brion -- can I change how $wgGroupsAddToSelf and $wgGroupsRemoveFromSelf work so they function more like $wgAddGroups and $wgRemoveGroups?
[19:42:20] <Skizzerz_Away>	That is, make it a multi-dimensional array so that it restricts adding/removing groups to self only if you are in a specific group.
[19:42:26] <Nikerabbit>	shadowie: wired...
[19:42:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need some control over User:Redirect fixer 's edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15110 +comment (10charlottethewebb)
[19:42:46] <brion>	hmmm
[19:42:51] <shadowie>	Nikerabbit: looking into the profiler now
[19:42:52] <Skizzerz_Away>	lemme get a link
[19:44:06] <Skizzerz_Away>	brion: the reason why I ask this is because http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flood_flag could simply use that existing functionality (as they proposed initially), but due to how it works, it wouldn't work out for what they need it for
[19:47:05] <yannf>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383 so this is a real bug, not a wrong config of squid, isn't?
[19:47:27] <yannf>	or a wrong config of MW?
[19:53:54] <yannf>	my config http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Squid_Reverse_Proxy
[19:55:25] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39238 10/trunk/extensions/NewsChannel/NewsChannel_body.php: Remove line that shouldn't be there according to Iaroslav Vassiliev.
[20:04:42] <Heron>	has anyone had any ideas why my mediawiki doesn't work with bitmaps but does with other types of images?
[20:04:57] <Heron>	http://xmswiki.com/index.php?title=SMS:Drawing_Objects_Toolbar
[20:05:54] <Duesentrieb>	Heron: what other types?
[20:06:28] <Heron>	.jpgs, .gifs, .pngs
[20:06:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of Special:EmailUser should leave an entry on CU tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15103 +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[20:06:32] <Duesentrieb>	Heron: oh, you mean why it doesn't work with bmp? because it doesn't know that hta's an image format i suppose. because it's not standard for web browsers to support it.
[20:06:42] <Heron>	no? IE and FF support it
[20:06:50] <Heron>	IE + FF support = standard enough
[20:07:01] <Heron>	but that's not the issue
[20:07:07] <Duesentrieb>	Heron: jpg, gif and png are standards for web pages. bmp is a microsoft-specific, and particularly ill-suited for the web
[20:07:08] <Heron>	mediawiki is not generating image tags
[20:07:10] <Heron>	mediawiki is not generating image tags
[20:07:12] <Heron>	oops
[20:07:13] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[20:07:24] <Duesentrieb>	because it doesn't know that it's an image :)
[20:07:26] <Heron>	well they used to work
[20:07:38] <Heron>	why did they stop working? did the mediawiki people remove support for .bmp?
[20:07:59] <Duesentrieb>	apparently. and why would you use bmp for the web? it'S uncompressed.
[20:08:00] <Heron>	I realize it's ill-suited, but unfortunately I'm not in charge, I'm just a peon
[20:08:03] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Limit large range checks by date rather than edit count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15143 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:08:03] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. extremly slow
[20:08:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Time range for checking IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14908 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:08:12] <Heron>	peons do what their bosses tell them
[20:08:20] <Heron>	boss wants bitmaps fixed
[20:08:25] <Duesentrieb>	it's probably easy to fix this, but don't know if it's possible cleanly
[20:08:27] <Heron>	because they used to work
[20:09:16] <Duesentrieb>	hold on, i'll check if it's as simple as i think
[20:09:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Emailing CheckUser results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5575 +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[20:09:47] <Heron>	ok
[20:09:48] <Heron>	thanks
[20:10:10] <Duesentrieb>	Heron: try this: $wgMediaHandlers['image/x-bmp'] = 'BitmapHandler'; assuming you are using mediawiki 1.12 or 1.13
[20:10:33] <Duesentrieb>	actually... the default is a special BmpHandler. i wonder what it does, if it doesn't generate an <img> tag
[20:11:02] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39239 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesKo.php: Localisation updates for core from Betawiki
[20:11:08] <Heron>	i'll try it, hang on
[20:11:49] <Heron>	that worked
[20:11:52] <Heron>	thanks :)
[20:12:23] <Duesentrieb>	hm... that's odd... the BmpHandler should have worked too... 
[20:12:29] *Heron 	shrugs
[20:12:34] <Heron>	maybe someone typoed in the source?
[20:12:41] <Duesentrieb>	Heron: file a bug report please. as far as i see, <img>tags should be generated for bmp files per default.
[20:12:53] <Duesentrieb>	no, not a typo.
[20:12:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: special page listing IPs with maxed out account registrations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14189 (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:13:03] <Heron>	ok I'll file a bug report
[20:13:11] <Duesentrieb>	tnx
[20:13:57] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39240 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Feed.php): 
[20:13:57] <CIA-56>	Revert r39198 "* (bug 15128) Feed:xmlEncode() function now declared as static"
[20:13:57] <CIA-56>	FeedItem::xmlEncode() is only called *non*-statically
[20:14:10] <Duesentrieb>	Heron: and... tell your bosses they can be all hip by using png instead of bmp. tell them it's the New Thing or something. 
[20:14:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feed::xmlEncode() function should be declared static - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15128 +comment (10brion)
[20:14:35] <Duesentrieb>	tell them they can save money that way :)
[20:14:38] <Duesentrieb>	(which is true)
[20:15:19] <Heron>	Duesentrieb: yeah... I've been saving them money by switching to new services. But guys in their mid-40s are hard to convince of much of anything, I'm half their age...
[20:15:41] *Duesentrieb 	is getting old.
[20:16:00] <Duesentrieb>	well, if they pay you for being anexpert on this stuff, they should listen to you
[20:16:48] <Heron>	yes, yes they should.
[20:18:07] <Heron>	bug filed
[20:18:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) BmpHandler doesn't generate <img> tags for .bmp images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15144 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (dmyers)
[20:18:13] <Heron>	there it is ;)
[20:18:36] <Heron>	hope I described it right
[20:18:43] <Heron>	anyway, thanks for the help, Duesentrieb
[20:18:53] <Duesentrieb>	np
[20:19:09] <yannf>	so should i expect this #10383 bug to be fixed, or is it a pb on my side?
[20:20:02] <salty-horse>	hi. Is there a user setting to view full user names next to usernames?
[20:21:02] <MaxSem>	on my system, $wgFileExtensions[] = 'bmp'; is enough to allow uploading and treating them as images
[20:21:29] <MaxSem>	it displays the image on its description page, though it can't resize it
[20:21:43] <Simetrical>	Anyone who uploads a BMP anywhere should be shot.
[20:21:48] <Simetrical>	For the love of God, save it as a PNG.
[20:22:04] <Simetrical>	BmpHandler should automatically reencode as PNG on upload or something.
[20:22:18] <MaxSem>	why, traffic is cheap? XD
[20:22:46] <Simetrical>	Traffic is cheap, but converting to PNG is *free*.
[20:23:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) BmpHandler doesn't generate <img> tags for .bmp images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15144 normal->minor (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:24:00] <MaxSem>	"Error creating thumbnail: Image type not supported"
[20:24:33] <alnokta>	nasty error i hate
[20:25:43] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: while it's silly to use bmp in the first place, it's odd that it doesn't work as it should
[20:26:04] <Simetrical>	Do browsers even support BMP as a viewable file format?
[20:26:10] <Duesentrieb>	some do
[20:26:30] <Simetrical>	So some don't?
[20:26:40] <Duesentrieb>	well, some don't suport images at all :)
[20:27:43] <yannf>	even w3m supports images ;)
[20:28:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) BmpHandler doesn't generate <img> tags for .bmp images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15144 (10brion)
[20:28:43] *yannf 	often browse WM projects with w3m...
[20:28:56] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r39241 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php LqtBaseView.php LqtPages.php): 
[20:28:56] <CIA-56>	* Revert r39133 - bogus fix that does not work.
[20:28:56] <CIA-56>	* Alter message "lqt_youhavenewmessages" so that it does not contain a text parameter.
[20:29:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) default action is not to create new thread (no subject) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15092 +comment (10minuteelectron)
[20:29:50] <Duesentrieb>	i love it how revs/second contionually grows while importing a dump
[20:30:00] <Duesentrieb>	for the simple reason that newer pages tend to be shorter :)
[20:31:26] <alnokta>	not that the computer is getting stronger
[20:31:43] <Duesentrieb>	it's warming to the task...
[20:33:22] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39242 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser_body.php): List recent account creation count (related to bug 14189)
[20:34:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Feature request: special page listing IPs with maxed out account registrations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14189 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:34:23] <alnokta>	:)
[20:37:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Two extra types of run, "By user (edits)" and "By page ( Accounts/IPs)"" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15145 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (FT2.wiki)
[20:38:18] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: in r39242, can you please fix that message to use plural?
[20:40:44] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39243 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser_body.php): PLURAL
[20:41:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If PURGE command to Squid gets 404-cache miss, MW sends multiple retries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383 (10yann)
[20:44:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Two extra types of run, "By user (edits)" and "By page ( Accounts/IPs)"" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15145 (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:46:00] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: thank you.
[20:48:44] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39244 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: must be public
[21:03:03] <Simetrical>	brion-lunch, would it make sense for the canonical main page URL to be (e.g.) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/> instead of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>? So the latter would redirect to the former, instead of the reverse?
[21:03:57] <b00st3d>	how do i install this to my wiki?: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions
[21:04:23] <MZMcBride>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#Installation
[21:08:15] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions | b00st3d
[21:08:15] --mwbot--	b00st3d: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[21:09:34] <MZMcBride>	Manual:Extensions should probably include information about the new ExtensionDistributor....
[21:11:13] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39245 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (140 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-12 22:18 CEST)
[21:18:18] <MZMcBride>	!tidy | b00st3d 
[21:18:18] --mwbot--	b00st3d: Wikimedia uses HTML Tidy, which allows mixed html and wikitables inside parser functions and templates. This can often be confusing for people copying templates from Wikimedia projects. For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[21:20:27] <brion-lunch>	Simetrical: if we did that we'd probably want / rather than /wiki/ -- the point would be to minimize redirects for people going to the base url
[21:22:15] <Simetrical>	brion-lunch, turning off redirects altogether would do that better than redirecting one to the other. :) (But that's duplicate content, then.) I was actually thinking more along the lines of URL prettiness. Triggered by the recent discussion about moving enwiki main page to some arguably more functional but uglier name like "Portal:Main".
[21:23:16] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/ vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[21:26:07] <brion>	duplicate content also sucks for caching :)
[21:26:22] <brion>	but yes, it covers both of those
[21:31:44] <Hank|MGD>	!irc
[21:31:44] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "irc". You might try: !ask !rcbot !repeat 
[21:31:50] <Hank|MGD>	!rcbot
[21:31:50] --mwbot--	To create an IRC bot to display recent changes to your Wiki, follow the directions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:IRC_RC_Bot>.
[21:39:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request Hook in Cite.php function stack - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9091 (10jimhu)
[21:51:59] <MZMcBride>	!access | b00st3d 
[21:51:59] --mwbot--	b00st3d: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[21:52:05] <MZMcBride>	Read those two pages.
[21:58:21] <MinuteElectron>	shame
[21:58:35] <MinuteElectron>	wmf doesn't publish a tarball containing only changes files between release candidates
[21:59:15] <Hank|MGD>	About !rcbot
[21:59:24] <Hank|MGD>	Can anyone help me with ircii?
[21:59:37] <Hank|MGD>	I need the "bot" join a keyed channel
[21:59:57] <Hank|MGD>	But I dont know how to get it in the keyed channel
[22:01:17] <MinuteElectron>	brion: Wasn't the tarball generation script modified to keep timestamps as they are in subversion?
[22:01:44] <MinuteElectron>	nm, my bad
[22:02:33] <MinuteElectron>	my sftp client is obviously not very good
[22:06:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS feed - bad links with dot and ) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15142 (10brion)
[22:07:21] <brion>	MinuteElectron: yep
[22:07:35] <brion>	or... maybe that was my locla config? i don't recall for sure
[22:09:30] <MinuteElectron>	no, I verified that the timestamps are correct
[22:09:55] <MinuteElectron>	just my sftp client is honouring its "transfer only changed files" option.
[22:10:13] <MinuteElectron>	i think it probably expects teh teimstamp to be in the future, rather than being equal.
[22:16:36] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39249 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser.php CheckUser_body.php): 
[22:16:36] <CIA-56>	* Record use of emailuser
[22:16:36] <CIA-56>	* Add time dropdown (needed this myself to avoid timeouts in testing)
[22:16:36] <CIA-56>	* Some code style tweaks
[22:16:36] <CIA-56>	* Align selects better, still hacky
[22:16:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use of Special:EmailUser should leave an entry on CU tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15103 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:17:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Time range for checking IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14908 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:18:33] <MZMcBride>	AaronSchulz: \o/
[22:21:53] <MinuteElectron>	Does anyone know how to migrate from unhashed to hashed upload directory structures.
[22:22:27] <MZMcBride>	Nicely? I don't think there's a pretty way...
[22:22:39] <alnokta>	mv the directory , import images.php
[22:22:41] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[22:23:02] <MinuteElectron>	i don't have shell access, it can wait for another day
[22:23:42] <alnokta>	ah then you would have to download and reupload all of them? 
[22:23:59] <MinuteElectron>	no, but I wouldn't be able to run importImages.php easily
[22:24:10] <MinuteElectron>	and I don't have the pateince to play around with cron jobs tonight
[22:25:13] <alnokta>	ah you have to cheat :P
[22:25:42] <MinuteElectron>	yup =]
[22:26:10] <brion>	you could write a script to rename all the files
[22:26:14] <brion>	not really that hard
[22:27:19] <MinuteElectron>	that owuld be difficul as i think safe mode is on
[22:27:29] <Platonides>	i suppose you could first check if it's in the normal dir, else see in the hashed one
[22:27:40] <Platonides>	as a bonus, move it to the hashed if found
[22:28:06] <MinuteElectron>	i don't have enough images to make moving them all at once a problem
[22:28:17] <brion>	safe mode? oh i pity you
[22:28:46] <MinuteElectron>	apparently they disabled it according to an e-mail they sent out, but when i checked it was still on
[22:28:56] <alnokta>	safe_mode is removed in new php
[22:29:04] <MinuteElectron>	and its pointless anyway given that i can execute anything using cron jobs
[22:29:16] <MinuteElectron>	alnokta: only in php 6 which isn't even in alpha yet
[22:29:56] <alnokta>	MinuteElectron, the problem is with the guy who added it in the first place
[22:30:07] <MinuteElectron>	sure is
[22:30:20] <Platonides>	i'm sure at first it seemed a good thing
[22:30:23] <MinuteElectron>	but i like to think of ways to get my work done, not put blame on someone else =]
[22:30:54] <MinuteElectron>	oh, safe mode is off
[22:31:31] <MinuteElectron>	still not sure if its worth the effort of doing though
[22:32:12] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39250 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: tone down links
[22:32:42] <MinuteElectron>	but this site is full of hacks
[22:33:13] <MinuteElectron>	like, for example, I'm only allowed one domain - so I made a crazy .htaccess to pipe requests into different directories based upon hostname
[22:33:41] <MinuteElectron>	and syncronization between the devel and live wiki is done by touching a file and a * * * * * cron job
[22:34:37] <MZMcBride>	Eww.
[22:36:00] <MinuteElectron>	yup :D
[22:46:46] <b00st3d>	where can i find my php.ini file?
[22:47:06] <cirwin>	b00st3d: do a phpinfo () and it will tell you
[22:52:55] <MinuteElectron>	cpanel is also silly in that data transfer via SFTP does not get counted - I transfer about 190MB daily yet we're still only using 18MB of transfer this month.
[22:55:54] <Platonides>	what's the point of getting ENODEV only on some files? :S
[22:57:33] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39251 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: plainlinks
[22:58:11] <Malawar>	so, say i have a bunch of articles, each with a small table of information in them. Right now i'm using a template for the data, ex {{Mytpl|1|4|5|8}}.. is there a way to have MW auto-generate another article that has a table of data from that tag?
[22:58:25] <Malawar>	sorta like the category table of contents, but with with more data than just the page title
[22:59:32] <Platonides>	 i think there is some extension for getting tocs from other pages
[22:59:37] <Platonides>	dig mediawiki-l archives
[23:01:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882 (10conrad.irwin)
[23:02:28] <cirwin>	siebrand: thanks for looking at MetaKeywords for me - I've submitted a patch to get it back to a working state.
[23:03:35] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39252 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: Use formatNum for numbers
[23:09:45] <MinuteElectron>	what do permissions default to if they do not have an entry in group permissions?
[23:09:52] <MinuteElectron>	true or false?
[23:10:18] <Platonides>	i think it's false
[23:10:22] <Splarka>	the asterisk group
[23:10:35] <MinuteElectron>	what if the asterix group is not set?
[23:10:49] <Splarka>	then prolly what Platonides said?
[23:10:56] <MinuteElectron>	great
[23:10:56] <MinuteElectron>	thanks
[23:16:36] <tompagenet>	I'm having a problem with thumbnails in MW 1.12
[23:17:11] <tompagenet>	Any attempt to thumbnail after uploading presents a grey box where the thumbnail should be which has the text "Error creating thumbnail: Warning: passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/gettingt/public_html/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1839 " in it
[23:17:29] <tompagenet>	I've been advised to get my host to un-block passthru(), but is there any other way?
[23:18:51] <alnokta>	new user creation log should be core
[23:19:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Feature request: special page listing IPs with maxed out account registrations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14189 +comment (10mapellegrini)
[23:19:22] <cirwin>	alnokta: noo, core should be unusable
[23:20:22] <alnokta>	cirwin, what do you mean? adding that functionality would render the core unusable?
[23:20:35] <cirwin>	what I mean is that the core should be "core"
[23:20:43] <cirwin>	it should barely have enough features to work
[23:21:03] <cirwin>	no point in ramming it full of fancy stuff that few people use
[23:21:05] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Feature request: special page listing IPs with maxed out account registrations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14189 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:21:10] <cirwin>	like __TOC__ etc... :)
[23:22:07] <alnokta>	then make it dual core, core minimal, core extensions
[23:22:16] <cirwin>	something like that
[23:22:34] <cirwin>	i'd certainly like to be able to do more than ten svn ups between vamping up php's memory limit
[23:25:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:ListUsers/XY should be used instead of Special: ListUsers?username=XY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15146 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[23:26:37] <Charitwo>	i dont think thats possible, is it? it will think the username is a group
[23:26:40] *MZMcBride 	thinks about the users named 'sysop'...
[23:26:49] <cirwin>	heh
[23:26:53] *cirwin 	was thinking the same
[23:27:17] <MZMcBride>	Their point is a good one though. The Special: subpage structure is entirely inconsistent.
[23:27:30] <MZMcBride>	EmailUser and Contributions and DeletedContributions all allow /user.
[23:27:37] <MZMcBride>	ListUsers doesn't...
[23:27:54] <Splarka>	it works for Special:Contributions
[23:28:01] <Splarka>	Special:Contributions/newbies vs Special:Contributions/Newbies
[23:28:07] <proletaire>	Hi, I have a mysterious margin problem when I use a template I made on my website... Can someone help me?
[23:28:16] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Special:ListUsers/XY should be used instead of Special: ListUsers?username=XY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15146 +comment (10charitwo)
[23:28:18] <Splarka>	if the parameter is in lowercase and matches a group, assume it is a right
[23:28:24] <Splarka>	right group
[23:28:25] <cirwin>	proletaire: someone probably can
[23:28:26] <Splarka>	otherwise assume it is a name
[23:28:43] <proletaire>	I guess so
[23:28:45] <cirwin>	Splarka++
[23:29:10] <MZMcBride>	I would just get rid of the /usergroup shortcut and add a few alias (Special:Listadmins, etc.).
[23:29:14] <MZMcBride>	Aliases. *
[23:29:18] <Splarka>	ew
[23:29:24] <Splarka>	MZM: those existed before, sucked
[23:29:28] <Splarka>	my solution has no regression
[23:29:42] <MZMcBride>	Your solution is hackish.
[23:29:46] <Charitwo>	Special:Listoversights Special:Listcheckusers Special:Listbureaucrats Special:Listrollbackers etc
[23:30:07] <MZMcBride>	Listadmins still works / exists.
[23:30:32] <Splarka>	my solution is hachish?
[23:30:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ListUsers/XY should be used instead of Special: ListUsers?username=XY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15146 +comment (10herd)
[23:30:41] <Splarka>	Special:Contributions/newbies is hackish?
[23:30:50] <Splarka>	well, it is, but so is all of mediawiki, so what is the prob?
[23:31:24] <Charitwo>	mmm, nice wikibugs name Splarka 
[23:31:29] <Splarka>	moo
[23:31:52] *Splarka 	lives in farm country, had that email for ~11 years, kinda stuck with it
[23:32:59] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39253 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/ (. 404.php README sync thumb-handler.php): Put our godawful 404 handler script for uploads into SVN so we don't lose it and can like refer to it in documentation (gasp)
[23:33:18] <proletaire>	Hi, I have a mysterious margin problem when I use a template I made on my website... Can someone help me?
[23:33:37] <cirwin>	proletaire: don't repeat yourself
[23:33:45] <cirwin>	give us more information, then we have a chance 
[23:35:27] <proletaire>	It's hard to describe... It's a table on the right that gives information, but there is something like 4 or 5 on top of it that I can't find out where they come from... they're not even in the page source
[23:35:47] <cirwin>	blank lines in template code?
[23:35:51] <cirwin>	can you give a link?
[23:35:51] <proletaire>	yes
[23:36:11] <cirwin>	well, remove the blank lines
[23:36:12] <proletaire>	http://elcq.net/index.php5?title=Les_ordres
[23:36:12] <Splarka>	sometimes between <tr></tr> or <td></td>
[23:36:23] <Splarka>	Outside of, even
[23:36:37] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39254 10/trunk/ (HTCPpurger/ tools/upload-scripts/HTCPpurger/): Move HTCPpurger util into upload-scripts dir; seems to be the only place we use it (afaik)
[23:36:53] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:ListUsers/XY should be used instead of Special: ListUsers?username=XY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15146 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:37:31] *Splarka 	sticks his tongue out at Charitwo
[23:37:42] <cirwin>	proletaire: you need to remove all the line breaks from your template
[23:37:58] <proletaire>	Splarka: I'll try with the thing
[23:38:12] *Charitwo 	shrugs.
[23:38:29] <Splarka>	proletaire: I mean, blank lines can render as 
[23:38:49] <Splarka>	which can cause lots of to appear in the tablecode outside of <tr> and <td>
[23:38:56] <Splarka>	which some browsers treat as if it were before the <table> tag
[23:40:35] <proletaire>	cirwin: ok, I try that. thank you
[23:46:58] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39255 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/ (README sync): 
[23:46:58] <CIA-56>	* Add some explanatory notes to README
[23:46:58] <CIA-56>	* remove anthony from the server sync script; it's no longer in use
[23:55:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clicking the What's this? link for minor edit checks the minor edit checkbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15130 (10herd)
[23:56:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630 +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:57:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Certain special characters are converted to html in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12782 (10JSchulz_4587)