[00:04:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10lar)
[00:07:18] <Simetrical>	03(mod) Log users going to the bathroom in the CU log - 11https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14672  (N/A)
[00:07:34] <Simetrical>	Am I color-blind or what?
[00:07:47] <cirwin>	that is a seriously bright blue link
[00:08:33] <Simetrical>	03(mod) Log users going to the bathroom in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14672  (N/A)
[00:08:42] <cirwin>	that's better
[00:08:49] <alnokta>	siebrand, there?
[00:08:53] <Simetrical>	I missed the color and bolding on the "N/A", though.
[00:09:45] <Platonides>	03(mod) 1going to the bathroom in the actions log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10platonides)
[00:10:06] <Platonides>	it's not so hard to copy wikibugs, just copy & paste
[00:10:12] <Simetrical>	Doesn't work in my client.
[00:10:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:11:24] <Simetrical>	15(WFM) going to the bathroom in the actions log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:12:59] <Platonides>	$ find . |wc -l
[00:13:00] <Platonides>	209452
[00:13:00] <Platonides>	$  find . -print0 | xargs -0 echo |wc -l
[00:13:00] <Platonides>	60
[00:13:01] <Platonides>	:S :S
[00:27:09] <Platonides>	$ find . -print0 | xargs -0 -I FOO echo FOO |wc -l
[00:27:09] <Platonides>	209524
[00:27:13] <Platonides>	odd 
[00:46:48] <Simetrical>	Platonides, is that any different from "find | wc -l"?
[00:49:03] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39257 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/thumb-handler.php: maintain proper order
[00:54:04] <MZMcBride>	Lowercase usernames aren't allowed even on wikis with $wgCapitalLinks = false; ?
[00:57:55] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39258 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/thumb-handler.php: might as well call it 'archive'
[00:58:08] <Skizzerz>	MZMcBride: nope
[00:58:37] <MZMcBride>	That's a bit ... disappointing. 
[00:58:49] <Skizzerz>	dunno /why/, exactly, but I'm sure it has something to do with how the db is queried
[00:59:00] <Skizzerz>	either that or someone didn't add it in yet
[01:00:50] <brion>	because it'd be pretty stupid if you could register a username on wiktionary that works NOWHERE ELSE
[01:01:03] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39259 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/thumb-handler.php: ok, better settle on a name this time :)
[01:01:47] <MZMcBride>	What about the thousands of other MediaWiki install? ;-)
[01:01:55] <MZMcBride>	Installs. *
[01:02:10] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39260 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: check 'archived' param
[01:03:03] <brion>	sucks to be them? :)
[01:03:17] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[01:03:32] <AaronSchulz>	there is a great song that repeats "Sucks to be you"
[01:06:20] <Random832>	brion: what are you talking about? lowercase names?
[01:06:28] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[01:06:32] <MZMcBride>	Lowercase usernames.
[01:11:58] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39261 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: we need a $title here
[01:13:24] <Chiggins>	hi room, question, with the wiki framework, how could i run the sql query "SELECT * FROM wiki_imagelinks" using PHP?
[01:21:30] <Krimpet>	MZMcBride, I think I've got an idea for that ListUsers thing, actually
[01:21:42] <MZMcBride>	Oh?
[01:21:59] <MZMcBride>	Splarka wanted to just special-case lowercase group names...
[01:22:05] <Krimpet>	if there's a clash between group name/username, group name can be specified by appending /
[01:22:16] <Krimpet>	Special:ListUsers/sysop/
[01:22:23] <MZMcBride>	Hmm.
[01:22:32] <MZMcBride>	But usernames can't be lowercase.
[01:22:44] <Krimpet>	someday they might be, though. :)
[01:23:02] <MZMcBride>	Would that break backwards compatibility of current [[Special:ListUsers/sysop]] links/
[01:23:03] <MZMcBride>	?
[01:23:09] <Krimpet>	additionally, the new syntax would allow you to specify Special:Listusers/group/Username
[01:23:17] <MZMcBride>	Ooh.
[01:23:40] <Krimpet>	no, if the group exists but not the user, it'd function as before
[01:23:52] <CIA-56>	03alnokta * r39262 10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/NewUserMessage.class.php: 
[01:23:52] <CIA-56>	Add optional feature. now if mediawiki:newusermessage-signs exists and contains
[01:23:52] <CIA-56>	a list of user names (* [[signature]] newline * etc...), these user names will
[01:23:52] <CIA-56>	be added after the template (randomly) along with the date & time. Patch by
[01:23:52] <CIA-56>	AhmadSherif.
[01:24:16] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39263 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: use makeTitleSafe()
[01:25:51] *AaronSchulz 	tests imagetagging
[01:25:55] <AaronSchulz>	(show/hide) 12:56, 10 August 2008 Voice of All (Talk | contribs | block) tag ??? (Image Samdonaldson.jpg was tagged to page Sam Donaldson by Voice of All)
[01:26:00] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[01:29:43] <Chiggins>	with the wiki framework, how could i run the sql query "SELECT * FROM wiki_imagelinks" using PHP?
[01:30:00] <step_hane>	can anyone direct me on which file to look into for the login event for mediawiki? I'm trying to integrate it into my current site so users won't have to log in twice.
[01:32:17] <Simetrical>	!authplugin | step_hane 
[01:32:17] --mwbot--	step_hane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[01:32:46] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39264 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/thumb-handler.php: lookaheads not captured of course! need more coffee
[01:32:47] <step_hane>	thank you
[01:38:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feed::xmlEncode() function should be declared static - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15128  (10codemonk)
[01:53:16] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r39265 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Feed.php: (bug 15128) Documentation for xmlEncode is wrong, it's not static.
[01:53:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feed::xmlEncode() function should be declared static - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15128  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:53:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feed::xmlEncode() function should be declared static - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15128  normal->trivial (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:01:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special :DoubleRedirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (mediawiki)
[02:01:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special: DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147  15enhancement->normal (10mediawiki)
[02:02:49] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39266 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: use getArchivePath()
[02:03:33] <MZMcBride>	Oh my God the software's filing its own bugs now.
[02:03:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special: DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147  (10mediawiki)
[02:05:39] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39267 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: use $sourcePath here too
[02:05:41] <brion>	MZMcBride: quick, pull the plug before it launches the nukes!
[02:06:05] *MZMcBride 	searchs frantically for the off switch.
[02:09:22] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39268 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: revert bogus change
[02:39:36] <^demon>	brion: Have a second to look at a patch?
[02:39:42] <brion>	what patch
[02:40:06] <^demon>	For the $wgCapitalLinks stuff on bug 13750.
[02:40:11] <^demon>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5156
[02:40:40] <MZMcBride>	!bug 13750
[02:40:40] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750
[02:40:52] <^demon>	That too :-)
[02:41:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Thumbnail issues with old images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:43:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail issues with old images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15140  (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:ListUsers/XY should be used instead of Special: ListUsers?username=XY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15146  +comment (10francine)
[02:51:27] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39269 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialListusers.php: 
[02:51:27] <CIA-56>	Per bug 15146, allow additional syntax for Special:Listusers URLs.
[02:51:27] <CIA-56>	- Special:ListUsers/GROUP - if GROUP is a valid group name; the old syntax
[02:51:27] <CIA-56>	- Special:ListUsers/USER
[02:51:27] <CIA-56>	- Special:ListUsers/GROUP/USER
[02:51:28] <CIA-56>	'*' and 'user' can be used as a GROUP for all users.
[02:51:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  (10brion)
[02:56:16] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39270 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Updated release notes to reflect features added in r39269 and r39121
[02:58:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ListUsers/XY should be used instead of Special: ListUsers?username=XY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15146  (10francine)
[03:00:46] <^demon>	brion: Thanks, input taken :-)
[03:02:10] <brion>	:D
[03:05:23] <^demon>	I suppose if the same capitalization check is thrown into user::isValidUsername(), it could then allow for lower case usernames if lower casing in that namespace is also allowed.
[03:12:51] <CIA-56>	03dale * r39271 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/ (35 files in 8 dirs): security updates, database refactoring to use mediaWiki db_wrappers, style updates, lazy loading of special pages
[03:13:14] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r39272 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Addings and removing plainlinks class
[03:13:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14311  +comment (10brion)
[03:14:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List previously deleted pages as Recreated instead of Created ( N; New) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15131  (10N/A)
[03:17:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Activate Extension:NewUserMessage on nds.Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14400  +comment (10brion)
[03:45:18] <SwirlBoy39>	Is anyone good at making gadgets?
[03:45:42] <MZMcBride>	Gadgets are just JavaScript, really.
[03:46:08] <SwirlBoy39>	MZMcBride: I suck at JS atm.
[03:46:31] <MZMcBride>	So you're actually looking for someone who's good at JS?
[03:46:43] <SwirlBoy39>	Yeah.
[03:46:51] <MZMcBride>	What are you trying to do?
[03:47:10] <SwirlBoy39>	MZMcBride: Care to PM?
[03:47:22] <MZMcBride>	Nope. :-) I know little to no JS. 
[03:47:33] <SwirlBoy39>	Ahhh.
[03:47:42] <SwirlBoy39>	It's hard to explain.
[03:47:43] <MZMcBride>	But problem-solving starts with defining your goal.
[03:50:14] *Meeso 	posts some motivational posters.
[03:50:28] <Meeso>	here, start defining!
[03:50:36] <SwirlBoy39>	Meeso: Are you good at creating gadgets?
[03:50:51] <SwirlBoy39>	One sec.
[03:51:00] <Meeso>	nope
[03:51:18] *Meeso 	is good at posting posters.
[03:51:31] <Splarka>	SwirlBoy39: #mediawiki-scripts is on topic for mediawiki JS, if you don't wanna spam here
[03:51:34] *Meeso 	can bake some good cookies!
[03:51:46] <Splarka>	(but you could describe it here too)
[03:53:55] <SwirlBoy39>	I will. Soon.
[03:54:13] <Meeso>	anyone want cookies?
[03:54:28] <MZMcBride>	What kind of cookie?
[03:54:43] <Meeso>	Chocolat chip
[03:55:06] *Meeso 	hands you one.
[03:55:07] *Splarka 	made double chocolate oatmeal with white chocolate chips the other day
[03:55:20] *MZMcBride 	eats the chocolate chip cookie.
[03:55:36] *Meeso 	smashes said cookies and incinerates the crumbs
[03:55:43] <Meeso>	hah!
[03:55:51] <Splarka>	mmm, toasty
[03:55:57] *Meeso 	becomes the Cookie Lord
[03:56:03] <MZMcBride>	:O
[03:56:05] <Meeso>	I own all of the cookies!!
[03:56:06] <BlackMagik>	in version 1.12 is $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] valid? it seems to still be allowing account creation
[03:56:17] <MZMcBride>	Where does the Cookie Lord rank in comparison to the Cookie Monster?
[03:56:21] <Splarka>	are you setting it to false?
[03:56:26] <BlackMagik>	yes
[03:56:43] <MZMcBride>	Don't you need an equals sign....
[03:56:59] <BlackMagik>	i have $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount']   = false;
[03:57:14] <Cookie_Lord>	better
[03:57:37] <MZMcBride>	Should work.
[03:57:53] *Cookie_Lord 	killed the cookie monster by giving him a rat poison flavor cookie!
[03:58:11] <Splarka>	http://msp268.photobucket.com/albums/jj17/cutiee08/Cookie_Monster.jpg
[03:58:21] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[03:58:34] <Krimpet>	BlackMagik, you sure you're logged out when you try to create an account?
[03:58:36] <MZMcBride>	BlackMagik: My notes say 'createaccount' was added in MW 1.5...
[03:58:52] <Cookie_Lord>	you take notes?
[03:59:02] <Cookie_Lord>	How tedious and responsible!
[03:59:06] <BlackMagik>	wait a min should i be using 1.9 instead?
[03:59:17] *Cookie_Lord 	awards you one Cookie.
[03:59:19] <Krimpet>	no, 1.9 is old
[03:59:25] <BlackMagik>	oh that's what i thoguht
[03:59:26] <MZMcBride>	You should use the most up to date version if possible.
[03:59:27] <Splarka>	CL: did you kill Smoochie too with "rocket" cookies?
[03:59:34] <MZMcBride>	Which is 1.12 currently.
[03:59:38] <BlackMagik>	right
[03:59:55] <MZMcBride>	So, did you log out and then try to create the account?
[04:00:17] <MZMcBride>	It should say "Log in" instead of "Log in/Create account" in the top corner if configured correctly, I believe...
[04:00:26] <BlackMagik>	MZMcBride, i actually have a very ugly hook since i am using the account system of the original website
[04:01:49] <BlackMagik>	however when i'm logged out and i click discussion on the Main_Page it gives "permission error" but then the link is "log in or create an account."
[04:07:15] <BlackMagik>	ahh! nvm the link says that but the form does not have the link to create a new account
[04:45:07] <hachi>	hi, I'm getting an error "Raw pages must be accessed through the primary script entry point.", and I understand that I shouldn't be using mod_rewrite to do the access of the file... but I'm wondering why this access was closed in a newer version of mediawiki
[04:45:22] <hachi>	it used to work, was there some sort of security... XSS injection or something weird like that?
[04:45:52] <crucially>	hachi!
[04:46:02] <hachi>	hi sky!
[04:47:53] <Splarka>	hachi: my fault sorta
[04:47:58] <Splarka>	it was always disabled in IE.. here is why...
[04:48:31] <Splarka>	on en.wp for example, if this worked:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus.bat?oldid=123&action=raw
[04:48:43] <hachi>	hah
[04:48:49] <hachi>	I see it already
[04:48:50] <Splarka>	the browser would see the last location fragment before the query string and after the last slash as "Virus.bat"
[04:49:00] <Splarka>	and would ask you to save it or even try to run it in some stupid cases
[04:49:17] <Splarka>	oldid could be used to bypass the title parameter, too, so you could form a URL of anything you wanted and get a specific revision's content
[04:49:31] <hachi>	that's exactly what I was curious about
[04:49:46] <Splarka>	anyway, I pointed out to brion that this was a vulnerability in any mozilla/firefox too, in that it would ask you to save the file as 'virus.bat'
[04:50:08] <Splarka>	I suggested he set a content-disposition with a safe name, like .txt, but instead he just totally disabled action=raw from article path
[04:50:27] <hachi>	prevents future dumb browser mistakes
[04:50:27] <Splarka>	(before it would check the user agent for know browsers with this prob, like IE)
[04:50:32] <Splarka>	yah
[04:51:45] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=29939
[04:53:59] <Splarka>	it breaks tricks using the interwiki map though, because the interwiki map only stores articlepath access points
[05:40:12] <hachi>	well, then this leaves me trying to debug this problem
[05:41:22] <hachi>	wgScript is empty, as I want it to be... using mod_rewrite to rewrite urls for most cases... but now the check in RawPage.php will never succeed, because it does a strcmp between $wgScript and the url being called
[05:41:43] <hachi>	if I call it as index.php, it will fail, even though it's a 'safe' url, and the real url
[05:42:42] <Splarka>	do you have null article path as well as null script path?
[05:43:12] <hachi>	"/$1"
[05:43:28] <Splarka>	yah, you don't wanna have both null, then you get neverending problems
[05:43:47] <Splarka>	like exceptions for thumb.php, index.php, api.php, skins, styles, extensions
[05:43:54] <Splarka>	robots.txt, favicon.ico...
[05:44:04] <Splarka>	and any future features
[05:44:07] <hachi>	the RewriteRule was excluding those for me
[05:44:15] <hachi>	had RewriteCond for existing files
[05:44:16] <Splarka>	sure, it can, but can it predict the future?
[05:44:30] <Splarka>	anyway, you might pokle crucially
[05:44:45] <Splarka>	wikia has null script path (but not null article path on most wikis, although wikiality does)
[05:44:49] <hachi>	dangit, I just left SF 10 minutes ago :)
[05:44:55] <hachi>	I coulda walked over to his place
[05:46:24] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#URL_like_-_example.com.2FPage_title
[05:46:41] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory
[05:46:56] <Splarka>	> Any scheme which does this is not supported by the MediaWiki developers. So if your scheme doesn't work with a new MediaWiki version, you're on your own.
[05:47:04] <hachi>	heh
[05:47:08] <crucially>	huh?
[05:47:11] <crucially>	I can predict the future
[05:47:19] <Splarka>	crucially: we know you can
[05:47:32] <crucially>	I am going to hit enter, then you will see this mssage
[05:47:39] <crucially>	hachi: what can I do for you?
[05:47:42] <Splarka>	but nobody else should use null article paths
[05:47:50] <Splarka>	how does wikiality work with action=raw, null script path, and null article path?
[05:48:16] <hachi>	I'm trying to set script path... hoping that no urls are constructed with it
[05:48:21] <Splarka>	http://www.wikiality.com/Foo?action=raw  <-- forbidden
[05:48:26] <Splarka>	http://www.wikiality.com/index.php?title=Foo&action=raw <-- works
[05:48:40] <crucially>	Splarka: there is no reason the first one is forbidden really is there
[05:48:46] <Splarka>	yes, there is
[05:48:54] <crucially>	why?
[05:49:01] <hachi>	virus.bat
[05:49:02] <Splarka>	it was always forbidden in IE, because IE mime checking is secondary to extensions
[05:49:13] <crucially>	right
[05:49:15] <Splarka>	but mozilla/firefox browsers will ask you to save unrecognized mime types as /filename
[05:49:25] <crucially>	but what is the difference from /wiki/Foo?action=raw 
[05:49:30] <Splarka>	and as oldid= parameter ignored title= parameter...
[05:49:32] <Splarka>	well
[05:49:38] <Splarka>	/wiki/foo?action=raw can be...
[05:49:50] <Splarka>	/wiki/upgrade.bat?action=raw&oldid=123
[05:49:58] <Splarka>	where oldid=123 is some malicious page content that was later reverted
[05:50:07] <Splarka>	there are several on en.wp
[05:50:08] <crucially>	i know, so I don't get what this has to do with having not having /wiki/ 
[05:50:14] <Splarka>	ahh
[05:50:26] <crucially>	wait
[05:50:28] <Splarka>	hachi can't convince rawpage.php that he's accessing through the scriptpath
[05:50:38] <Splarka>	it tells him he's in articlepath when he's really in scriptpath
[05:50:40] <Splarka>	as they are both null
[05:50:45] <crucially>	you can get raw JS through action=raw ?
[05:50:46] <hachi>	I actually can't even convince it even if I set wgScript correctly
[05:50:52] <Splarka>	yes you can
[05:51:01] <hachi>	I may be hitting some other bug, presenting me this
[05:51:02] <Splarka>	importScript() does it
[05:51:06] <hachi>	s/bug/problem/
[05:51:23] <crucially>	right, i forget, we don't worry about webbugs
[05:51:27] <Splarka>	but javascript isn't the only prob, bat files as per above too, and anything else in plain text that can be dangerous
[05:51:55] <Splarka>	/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/script.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript  <-- perfectly legal, not dangerous
[05:52:02] <crucially>	yes it is
[05:52:03] <Splarka>	if it asks you to save, it is usually as 'index.php'
[05:52:09] <crucially>	but hey
[05:52:13] <Splarka>	heh
[05:52:16] <crucially>	i disagree with the entire MW community on this
[05:52:20] <Splarka>	well, check a page source sometime
[05:52:30] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript" src="/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/monobook.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript"></script>
[05:52:33] <Splarka>	that is how they load user js
[05:52:34] <hachi>	ultimately I'd love to get raw working with /?title=foo&yadda
[05:52:41] <hachi>	but that's a bit far fetched at this point
[05:52:49] <Splarka>	mmm
[05:52:54] <crucially>	splark: i know
[05:53:04] <crucially>	splarka: i know, and i think it is completely broken
[05:53:09] <Splarka>	I think if ctype isn't defined, then a content-disposition header should be given, personally (see above rant)
[05:53:11] <Splarka>	heh
[05:53:14] <Splarka>	okay, but the question is
[05:53:21] <crucially>	content-type doesn't help
[05:53:23] <Splarka>	how does wikiality.com know that /index.php is the scriptpath?
[05:53:32] <crucially>	i have no idea :)
[05:53:35] <Splarka>	no, content-disposition, it does help
[05:53:37] <Splarka>	you can define a filename then
[05:53:48] <crucially>	i also don't know how www.wowwiki.com works
[05:53:52] <crucially>	:)
[05:53:52] <Splarka>	so /wiki/virus.bat?action=raw can ask you to save as virus.bat.txt
[05:53:52] <crucially>	i can check
[05:54:02] <hachi>	I think you should stop worrying aobut it
[05:54:12] <Splarka>	maybe not *all* browsers, but most, should behave around it
[05:54:12] <hachi>	cause I can be an intellegent person and just debug this too
[05:54:13] <Splarka>	heh
[05:54:14] <crucially>	splarka: you don't have access to wikia servers any more?
[05:54:18] <Splarka>	nope
[05:54:21] <Splarka>	thank goodness!
[05:54:22] *Splarka 	hides
[05:54:37] <Splarka>	well, I never had server access, just trac and otrs and stuff like the rest of the comteam
[05:54:48] <crucially>	anyone with trac had server access
[05:55:03] <crucially>	:p
[05:55:06] <Splarka>	so they said, but I was never given addresses/ports/protocols for it
[05:55:09] <Splarka>	nor cared! ha
[05:55:38] <Splarka>	anyway, hachi just wants your rewrite goodies or access to your hacked rawpage.php
[05:55:46] <crucially>	i am looking
[05:55:47] <crucially>	well
[05:55:52] <hachi>	STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT
[05:55:56] <crucially>	rawpage.php should be at svn.wikia-code.com
[05:55:58] <hachi>	GAH!
[05:56:06] <crucially>	or soon at http://code.google.com/p/wikia/source/list
[05:56:16] <Splarka>	"Help me OB sky crucially, you're our only hope"
[06:01:18] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39273 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ExtensionDistributor_body.php: 
[06:01:18] <CIA-56>	Fixed broken heuristic for detecting use of ExtensionFunctions; it was
[06:01:18] <CIA-56>	adding the file unnecessarily to extensions that used the unrelated
[06:01:18] <CIA-56>	$wgExtensionFunctions global, i.e. a lot of them :)
[06:19:38] <Splarka>	crucially/hachi -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12720
[06:19:43] <Splarka>	if anyone cares anymore
[06:23:31] <Debolaz>	I've just installed a new instance of mediawiki. I created a test user called "Test" by registering with that name. Now, I've logged in as the administrator user and I'm trying to block the test user, but the blocking interface says the user is already blocked. However, the block list says there's nobody there, and indeed the user doesn't seem to be blocked in any way. I'm using mediawiki 1.12 and PostgreSQL 8.3, anyone know what might be wrong?
[06:24:41] <TimStarling>	you're using PostgreSQL
[06:25:24] <TimStarling>	I don't think it was maintained at all during the 1.12 release cycle
[06:26:29] <TimStarling>	I'll file a bug for you if you like
[06:28:46] <MZMcBride>	I thought we broke Postgres support in 1.10 and then it was fixed.
[06:29:29] <TimStarling>	Debolaz: do you want your email address to be public?
[06:31:02] <Debolaz>	TimStarling: It's already quite spammed, so go ahead. debolaz@gmail.com
[06:32:08] <TimStarling>	does Greg still maintain this stuff?
[06:32:13] <TimStarling>	I'll add him as a CC
[06:32:31] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39274 10/trunk/extensions/NewsChannel/ (NewsChannel.php NewsChannel_body.php): Add xmlEncode() method. Patch by Iaroslav Vassiliev.
[06:34:28] <TimStarling>	oh, I can't CC you if you don't have an account
[06:34:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:BlockIP said to be broken in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15148 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (tstarling)
[06:34:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10tstarling)
[06:35:22] <TimStarling>	if you like you can create one and then add yourself to the CC list on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15148
[06:39:23] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39275 10/trunk/extensions/MetaKeywords/ (MetaKeywords.i18n.php MetaKeywords.php): 
[06:39:23] <CIA-56>	(bug 14882, patch 5173) Patch by Conrad Irwin
[06:39:23] <CIA-56>	* Fixes a few major/minor bugs
[06:39:23] <CIA-56>	* clears up all the warnings
[06:39:23] <CIA-56>	* adds some default documentation to the messages
[06:39:24] <CIA-56>	* works on svn head.
[06:41:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install MetaKeywords extension on en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14882  +comment (10siebrand)
[06:48:38] <OverlordQ>	yea I'm getting that too . . odd :(
[06:48:41] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39276 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Partially reverting 39272 (only messages where <span class> was added. This is really messy with regards to localisation. See ImagePage.php or SpecialMovepage.php on how this code be resolved less ugly.
[06:49:56] *Splarka 	ponders
[06:50:10] <Splarka>	should <body> have a class for {{SITENAME}} ?
[06:50:23] <Splarka>	<body class="mediawiki site-wikipedia ...
[06:50:24] <MZMcBride>	Why?
[06:50:27] <Splarka>	userContent.css
[06:50:33] *Splarka 	grins
[06:50:37] <Splarka>	half sarcastic
[06:50:56] <Splarka>	but I could, for example, disable new user messages on en.wp, which is very annoying, since I check it on my watchlist periodically
[06:51:17] <MZMcBride>	The body tag is a bit long already... <body class="mediawiki ltr ns--1 ns-special page-Special_GlobalUsers skin-monobook">
[06:51:22] <Splarka>	no kidding
[06:51:30] <Splarka>	ns-name was silly IMHO ^_^
[06:51:46] <MZMcBride>	skin-monobook...
[06:51:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:BlockIP said to be broken in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15148  +comment (10overlordq)
[06:51:57] <MZMcBride>	As though we don't have skin-specific CSS pages.
[06:52:01] <Splarka>	no, that is good for MediaWiki:Print.css
[06:52:11] <Splarka>	(if we ever get it0
[06:52:20] <Splarka>	/s/0/)
[06:52:34] <MZMcBride>	s/0/\)
[06:52:44] <Splarka>	unless you want a Print-skinname.css for each skin
[06:52:58] <Splarka>	I guess users wouldn't necessarily need one for each skin, since they tend to stay in one skin
[06:53:01] <MZMcBride>	Print-common.css. :-)
[06:53:16] <Splarka>	but still, easier to have one user/print.css and skin-monobook rules
[06:53:22] *Splarka 	stab
[06:53:27] *MZMcBride 	hides.
[06:53:50] <MZMcBride>	You saw Krimpet changed Special:ListUsers/ behavior?
[06:53:57] <Splarka>	yes
[06:54:05] <Splarka>	I'm placing odds on when brion reverts it
[06:54:26] <Krimpet>	I managed to sneak editnotices past Brion, so who knows. :)
[06:54:29] <MZMcBride>	Heh. Keeps old behavior and adds functionality? 
[06:54:36] <Splarka>	I hope he uses a message like "women can't drive, and they certainly can't code PHP"
[06:54:37] *Splarka 	hides
[06:54:38] <MZMcBride>	I wouldn't see a reason to revert...
[06:54:44] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[06:54:47] <MZMcBride>	Snarky bastard.
[06:54:59] <Splarka>	or masochistic
[06:55:10] *Krimpet 	can drive, and mows Splarka down bloodily to demonstrate
[06:55:17] <Splarka>	someday I'm hoping to have a scar comparing scene like in Jaws
[06:55:33] <Splarka>	"And this was from when I suggested to Rob that we allow inline <style> tags..."
[06:55:51] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[06:56:24] <Splarka>	Krimpet: how about a potential user name newbies  for Special:Contributions ?
[06:56:54] <Krimpet>	Splarka, I can't code, remember. sorry. :)
[06:57:15] <Splarka>	and possibly Special:RecentChanges/10  <-- user groups like /sysop (non integer)? heh
[06:57:17] <Splarka>	touche
[06:58:25] <domas>	:(
[06:59:24] <MZMcBride>	What makes domas sad?
[06:59:41] <domas>	people scanning recentchanges
[07:03:26] *Splarka 	giggles
[07:03:43] <Splarka>	Special:Recentchanges/vandalism  Special:Recentchanges/stupid  Special:Recentchanges/annoydomas
[07:04:02] <_wooz>	lo
[07:08:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:BlockIP said to be broken in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15148  (10debolaz)
[07:11:05] <hachi>	Splarka: eenteresting, slightly
[07:11:18] <Debolaz>	TimStarling: Added myself to CC.
[07:11:33] <Splarka>	any luck with your situation hachi?
[07:13:11] <hachi>	much, actually
[07:13:25] <hachi>	it's just code, so I pushed on it harder and harder till I got the result I wanted :)
[07:22:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:BlockIP said to be broken in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15148  (10maxsem.wiki)
[07:23:17] <G>	whats the best way to put the wiki into a read-only type mode?
[07:23:46] <G>	(i.e. for DB Maintenance etc)
[07:23:51] <Duesentrieb>	<G>: $wgReadOnly = "no editing right now";
[07:24:33] <G>	Duesentrieb: brilliant!  thanks
[07:27:31] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39277 10/trunk/extensions/Lua/ (Lua.hooks.php Lua.php Lua.wrapper.php): Optionally byte-compile the wrapper library with luac, if available.
[07:30:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: special page listing IPs with maxed out account registrations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14189  (10herbythyme)
[07:35:46] <Debolaz>	OverlordQ: How did you view the SQL query? The settings at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug_MediaWiki didn't seem to reveal the query used.
[07:38:30] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39278 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization: Partial revert, this is a single message.
[07:40:23] <OverlordQ>	$wgDebugDumpSql
[07:40:36] <OverlordQ>	and/or just turn on query logging in PG
[07:43:29] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39279 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[07:50:36] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r39280 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php README.txt): Make the portlet code change backwards compatible: The hook "SkinBuildSidebar" is (will be) only avaialable in MediaWiki >= 1.14. Fixes http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/282.
[08:00:18] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39281 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: 
[08:00:19] <CIA-56>	Localization update for he. Congratulations! Now you cannot even send an e-mail
[08:00:19] <CIA-56>	privately or keep your address private from CheckUsers, and you may be blocked
[08:00:19] <CIA-56>	just for sending e-mails to other people, which used to be private. But private
[08:00:19] <CIA-56>	e-mailing doesn't appear in the privacy policy anyway.
[08:10:37] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39282 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesHe.php): Localization fixes.
[08:18:06] <Debolaz>	Okay, I added a bunch of if (empty($this->mEnableAutoblock)) $this->mEnableAutoblock = 0; in the code, I guess that will have to do for now.
[08:38:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) some pages are delivering raw GZIP encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15149 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (rividh)
[08:43:22] <CIA-56>	03mkroetzsch * r39283 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/jobs/SMW_DummyJob.php: programming template not needed in source tree, existing examples should suffice
[08:50:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocking and tagging from checkuser interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12808  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:05:39] <G>	is there anyway, I can make mediawiki basically treat usernames internally case insensitive?
[09:17:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20John=20Stuart=20Mill=20=2D=20S?= =?UTF-8?Q?ur=20la=20libert=C3=A9=201=20?=(audio) =?UTF-8?Q?=20Traduction=20fran=C3=A7ais?==?UTF-8?Q?e=20=20et=20lecture=20?= : Olivier GAIFFE - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15150  (10N/A)
[09:18:14] <Krimpet>	whoa, ugly. :p
[09:19:18] <G>	hmmm
[09:19:48] <Platonides>	3(mod) New:John Stuart Mill - Sur la libert? 1 (audio) Traduction fran?aise et lecture : Olivier GAIFFE1 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15150  (10N/A)
[09:19:58] <Krimpet>	what's that weird encoding? my client can render UTF-8 fine if you feed it some, but I dunno what that is
[09:20:11] <twincest>	Krimpet: UTF-8 encoded for an email subject line
[09:20:17] <Krimpet>	twincest, ah.
[09:20:19] <Platonides>	it's wikibugs not able to read the encoded email subject
[09:20:45] <Raymond_afk>	no. wikibugs is stupid :|
[09:21:29] <Krimpet>	G, that might be possible with an extension, though I'm not sure if one currently exists to do so
[09:21:59] <G>	Krimpet: yeah, I think I sorted it out
[09:22:17] <G>	Krimpet: unless I'm mistaken it was some missing voodoo with my Auth Plugin
[09:22:24] <Krimpet>	ah
[09:22:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) some pages are delivering raw GZIP encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15149  (10minuteelectron)
[09:22:43] <G>	You could have Admin AdMin and AdmiN as seperate accounts
[09:29:10] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15150  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:31:04] <G>	Krimpet: argh, looking at SpecialUserlogin.php maybe not
[09:31:19] <G>	Krimpet: I can't pass a standardised username back
[09:32:04] <Krimpet>	G, it might be fairly tough. :/ MediaWiki uses case-sensitive titles pretty much everywhere
[09:33:42] <Duesentrieb>	usernames that only differ in case are not allowed
[09:33:50] <Duesentrieb>	even similar-looking characters are filtered
[09:34:02] <Duesentrieb>	not sure what happens when you hook in your own auth though
[09:34:04] <G>	basically whats happening, is MW calls auth plugin, auth plugins authenticates against the local account system (all lowercase)
[09:40:05] <G>	The basic structure is: http://pastebin.com/d49e9224d
[09:48:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20John=20Stuart=20Mill=20=2D=20S?= =?UTF-8?Q?ur=20la=20libert=C3=A9=201=20?=(audio) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15151  (10N/A)
[09:49:31] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15151  (10raimond.spekking)
[09:49:59] <Raymond_afk>	siebrand: awake?
[09:53:23] <G>	Duesentrieb: yeah, thats what I thought tbh
[09:55:46] <siebrand>	Raymond_afk: yep. sup?
[09:56:17] <Raymond_afk>	siebrand: can you pls block the guy from bug 15150 and 15151 (same), just spam
[09:56:39] <siebrand>	Raymond_afk: hmm. Blocking in bugzilla. Let's see...
[09:56:52] <twincest>	siebrand: edit user
[09:56:59] <twincest>	add text to the big textarea
[09:59:20] <G>	Is it me or this a bug:  SpecialUserLogin.php: ln 403: shouldn't $u = User::newFromName( $this->mName ); also add: 'creatable' as a parameter (Valid for batch processes, login and account creation)
[10:00:04] <siebrand>	twincest: we do not have that... Or I do not have it.
[10:00:19] <twincest>	which user?
[10:00:29] <OverlordQ>	are there still technical restrictions to the contents of usernames? I remember (I think) that symbols such as @ were disallowed
[10:01:04] <siebrand>	twincest: Real name:  	Olivier Gaiffe
[10:01:32] <twincest>	The following changes have been made to the user account gaiffelet@yahoo.fr: 
[10:01:34] <twincest>	The disable text has been modified.
[10:01:47] <MaxSem>	who the hell suggested to post Greenspun stuff to bugzilla?
[10:03:15] <siebrand>	twincest: hmm, which right do you have that I do not have enabled?
[10:03:23] <G>	so this is crazy, because I'm using an external auth plugin, with strtolower()'s $username, I can now have "Admin" "ADMIN" and any upper/lower variation in the DB as seperate users
[10:03:32] <twincest>	siebrand: i guess this one: editusers: Can edit or disable users
[10:04:07] <siebrand>	twincest: ah, yes. I'll set that.
[10:04:49] <siebrand>	twincest: sweet! Many new toys now :)
[10:05:07] <MaxSem>	found it: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Process&diff=prev&oldid=1131033
[10:06:28] <siebrand>	MaxSem: strange. That should be done through OTRS.
[10:06:48] <MaxSem>	siebrand, they do it via the TS Jira
[10:06:56] <siebrand>	MaxSem: that's fine too.
[10:13:44] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39284 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add two optionals for MetaKeywords
[10:16:22] <WikiziA45>	who speak german ?
[10:18:28] <G>	actually....
[10:18:46] <G>	in 1.11.2 I can create two users, "Test" and "TeSt"
[10:19:26] <G>	(without any authplugin)
[10:19:31] <OverlordQ>	that's normal
[10:20:33] <G>	one of the others said that (like I believed) that usernames differening in case weren't allowed
[10:20:46] <siebrand>	G: install extension AntiSpoof if you want to prevent that.
[10:21:20] <G>	siebrand: right, but here is the kicker, normally I'd be using an authplugin
[10:21:39] <G>	(which creates the wiki accounts)
[10:22:31] <siebrand>	G: so you have user "Aa" mistyping his name as "AA", creating a second account, and authenticating just fine?
[10:23:09] <G>	siebrand: exactly
[10:23:29] <G>	siebrand: or in my test case before, Admin ADmin AdMin etc are all seperate accounts
[10:23:40] <siebrand>	G: well, I support a "no case sensitive usernames" setting could be added to core.
[10:23:57] <siebrand>	support = supposre, but I also support it :)
[10:24:06] <siebrand>	&*#$# typos. "suppose".
[10:24:11] <G>	http://pastebin.com/d49e9224d is the guts of the auth plugin
[10:24:14] <SynrG>	i am trying to use Extension:AlternateSyntaxParser + textile with 1.12.0 and see the following message repeatedly on each page:
[10:24:18] <SynrG>	PHP Notice: Undefined property: AlternateSyntaxParser::$mEditPreviewFlag in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\mediawiki\extensions\AlternateSyntaxParser\AlternateSyntaxParser.php on line 112
[10:24:20] <G>	siebrand: I'd be willing to write one tbh :)
[10:24:41] <siebrand>	G: not really my thing :)
[10:24:41] <G>	siebrand: actually, I might just do that, I've got an extension I wrote a few weeks back to finish up sometime too
[10:24:42] <SynrG>	is AlternateSyntaxParser no longer compatible with the current release?
[10:25:19] <G>	I guess what I'll have to do, is work out how to get php to only lowercase the first char...
[10:25:19] <siebrand>	G: remember that the patch has to be written to MediaWiki 1.14alpha (SVN trunk) to be added to the standard product.
[10:25:30] <G>	siebrand: yeah, I'm aware of that
[10:25:50] <G>	siebrand: it's actually all for the Fedora Project atm, so I'm willing to help out upstream :0
[10:25:53] <G>	*:)
[10:26:09] <siebrand>	G: you're working on the Fedora wiki.
[10:26:09] <G>	we currently use HTTPAuth = ewww
[10:26:13] <G>	siebrand: yep
[10:26:13] <siebrand>	G: interesting stuff.
[10:26:17] <OverlordQ>	ew, distro packages :P
[10:27:05] <siebrand>	G: we would like you guys to start using Translate in your MediaWiki installation to be able to provide localised pages, based on the language a user has set in his preferences.
[10:27:13] <siebrand>	G: we thought though would be a nice help.
[10:27:25] <G>	siebrand: the whole Auth/Sessions problem is the only blocker towards actually doing one wiki per language etc
[10:27:28] <G>	siebrand: hmm?
[10:27:47] <G>	siebrand: this sounds interesting
[10:27:47] <siebrand>	G: I have also had some contact with Glezos (Transifex author).
[10:28:09] <G>	ahh yeah, I've been dealing with one of our other Translation guys
[10:28:11] <siebrand>	G: we want more FOSS in http://translatewiki.net
[10:29:14] <G>	siebrand: I'm leading the whole translating wiki content from an Infrastructure POV
[10:29:24] <G>	(atm anyway)
[10:29:45] <G>	btw, you have a RedLink on the homepage :)
[10:29:57] <siebrand>	G: yeah, waiting for someone to fill it :)
[10:30:22] <siebrand>	G: it's about the 350000 other pages, though :)
[10:30:32] <G>	so how would it work from our POV?
[10:32:19] <G>	siebrand: OH! I see, thats a nifty extension
[10:32:31] <siebrand>	G: see http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Siebrand/pagetranslator for content translation.
[10:33:17] <siebrand>	G: a page is split into sections that are hashed. Those chunks can be translated separately. If a chunk is available in the user's UI language, it will be displayed as such.
[10:33:49] <siebrand>	G: if the hash for the source chunck changes, the derivatives will be tagged, so that they can be updated.
[10:34:41] <siebrand>	G: we still need to improve the UI, but haven't found someone who can advise us properly.
[10:35:00] <G>	hmmm, I might see what our l10n folks think of that
[10:35:09] <siebrand>	G: I gather they'll love it :)
[10:35:20] <G>	that'd simplify everything from an infrastructure POV and everything
[10:36:02] <siebrand>	G: the main purposes of the wiki though, is to be a home for language translator communities, and FOSS projects that need localisation.
[10:36:22] *SynrG 	drops the author a note
[10:36:59] <twincest>	MaxSem: JIRA isn't bugzilla
[10:37:19] <siebrand>	G: basically any implementation of i18n can be supported, as long as an interpretor is available for it. Currently supported are the MediaWiki $messages format, Java properties, and FreeCol. Basic XLIFF support is also present, I think.
[10:37:24] <MaxSem>	but they used it as an example
[10:37:28] <siebrand>	G: and not to forget gettext.
[10:37:53] <siebrand>	G: (FreeCol uses gettext)
[10:38:00] <G>	siebrand: which extension is it?  (the one that does the Main Page etc)
[10:38:28] <siebrand>	G: Translate.
[10:38:35] <twincest>	MaxSem: yes.  but i don't think they ever really wanted it
[10:38:47] <G>	siebrand: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate right?
[10:38:53] <siebrand>	G: Nifi (mostly known as Nikerabbit) is the main author.
[10:38:56] <siebrand>	G: yes.
[10:39:03] <twincest>	MaxSem: originally they ask for Mantis, but we wouldn't let them run that on the toolserver.  so now they use JIRA (which we already use for TS).  it has customisable workflows that make it not so bad for this
[10:39:06] <siebrand>	G: documentation may be a little out of date.
[10:39:20] <twincest>	(particularly the approval workflow for illustrations)
[10:39:33] <G>	siebrand: hmmm, it'd mean an upgrade for us, but I'm sure we can live with it)
[10:39:39] <siebrand>	G: we usually hang out in #mediawiki-i18n, which is also the redirect target for #betawiki.
[10:39:58] <siebrand>	G: do you have a lot of customisation in the wiki?
[10:40:07] <G>	siebrand: not really atm
[10:40:15] <siebrand>	G: then it should be easy.
[10:40:31] <G>	siebrand: HNP is the only thing really (total PITA)
[10:40:33] <siebrand>	G: just run SVN, and update now and then :)
[10:40:49] <G>	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Version :)
[10:41:00] <siebrand>	G: it's slow...
[10:41:04] <siebrand>	G: are you using caching?
[10:41:09] <G>	yep
[10:41:23] <G>	but I think it's the HTTP Auth plugin etc thats giving us the most grief
[10:41:39] <G>	Front end proxy->appservers
[10:41:59] <siebrand>	G: I've avoided the extensions by Jean-Lou Dupont after seeing some of the code.
[10:42:12] <G>	heh :)
[10:42:26] <siebrand>	G: I focus on MW extensions that are in the same SVN repo as MW itself.
[10:42:32] <G>	yeah, I'd like to get the pages that need to be protected into namespaces tbh
[10:42:40] <G>	maybe the Lockdown extension
[10:42:53] <Nifi>	hi
[10:42:59] <G>	siebrand: agreed
[10:43:05] <G>	anyway, coffee time here :)
[10:43:19] <G>	errr s/coffee/green tea/
[10:43:21] <siebrand>	G; enjoy.
[10:43:41] <siebrand>	G: let the content managers know, and please direct them to #mediawiki-i18n if they have questions.
[10:43:49] <G>	siebrand: I'll catch up later, because you've put our situation into a much better light :)
[10:44:27] <siebrand>	G: I didn't know before, but I was just waiting to meet you :)
[11:16:19] <G>	siebrand: heh
[11:16:59] <G>	siebrand: but yeah, I'm pretty sure your right about HNP etc, it drives me nuts
[11:38:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Double accesskeys cause problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14757   +need-review +patch +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[11:46:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on Esperanto Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14728   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[11:49:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links don't reflect target existence (EasyTimeline) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:49:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikilinks in the legend of an EasyTimeline are not parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:49:34] <G>	How do you guys like patches to be submitted?
[11:49:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hexadecimal color values in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1669  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:49:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) EasyTimeline reversed text in RTL languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4030  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:01] <Pedric>	hi - the global variable $wgUser is of type User, right?
[11:50:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: HTML / plaintext renderer for EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5400  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:18] <G>	I've got a small one that adds an extra hook that an extension that I'm working on requires, and also adds the stringfilter hook to Special:MovePage
[11:50:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow magic words in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5880  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hex color defs handling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4168  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:27] <G>	Pedric: it should be iirc, yes
[11:50:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) category links in timelines break on secure.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6515  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:34] <siebrand>	G: unified diffs.
[11:50:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikilink offset in EasyTimeline make text unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4046  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) make a link at exorbitant place if I configured orientation: vertical - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7572  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-conformant XHTML in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14727  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:50:59] <Pedric>	G: Well, I tried the isLoggedIn() method, but it returns true even with anonymous users
[11:51:18] <Pedric>	am I missing something?
[11:51:34] <WaRpAtH>	O_O
[11:51:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-conformant XHTML in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14727   +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[11:52:56] <G>	siebrand: something like: http://nigelj.fedorapeople.org/mediawiki-pagehistorytool.patch look correct to you?
[11:53:44] <G>	errr hold on
[11:54:23] <siebrand>	G: that type of formatting seems correct. As for review: not skilled enough to be able to do that.
[11:54:38] <G>	siebrand: ok, thanks
[11:54:46] <Pedric>	The thing is, I wanna remove certain navigation elements in my skin for anonymous users
[11:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename Spam blacklist to "Disallowed websites" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14719  +comment (10siebrand)
[11:59:15] <Pedric>	G: duh, it works, thanks anyway
[12:01:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable rollback throttling in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14716   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[12:01:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:01:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disallow ia_archiver on user and user_talk pages (robots.txt) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5582  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:01:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exclusion to robots.txt file for en.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10648  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:02:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding Danish language pages to robots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13844  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on Classical Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14715  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:09:55] <G>	siebrand: I took a bit more of a look into HNP and yeah, I can see what your getting at, and the fact that it hasn't been updated recently is annoying (for us anyway), no upgrade past 1.11.2 without risk
[12:10:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for Imagick PHP extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14706   +need-review +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[12:11:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-conformant XHTML in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14727  (10innocentkiller)
[12:12:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Python code in ViewVC lacks syntax highlighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14705   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[12:13:05] <siebrand>	who is the sysadmin of svn.wikimedia.org?
[12:17:19] <G>	siebrand: Tim/Brion I think
[12:18:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore the global CheckUser log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13789  (10siebrand)
[12:18:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) More versatile searching in CheckUser log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14699  (10siebrand)
[12:21:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:CreateAccount does not respect " Prevent account creation" from Special:BlockIP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14698   +need-review +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[12:25:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  +comment (10dev)
[12:27:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper doesn't set page. is_redirect for borderline #redirect syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7497  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper should check if tables are empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9273  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error display in mwdumper GUI is too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9274  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper GUI is unclear when fixing database problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper CLI should have table prefix option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9276  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper 'Start import' button should be disabled when no source file present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9277  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  mwdumper direct MySQL connection needs to distinguish UTF-8 and compat schemas - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9279  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:27:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper should be able to create tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9280  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:28:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper.jar should launch GUI on double-click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9278  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:28:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper GUI should have an icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9281  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:28:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper GUI's DB connection doesn't escape input on JDBC URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9282  +comment (10siebrand)
[12:30:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Diff and revision unshowable, and user denies to have done this edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14672  04CRIT->normal; +comment (10siebrand)
[12:43:20] <G>	hmmm
[12:45:08] <G>	brion-away: r24690 broke the installer for me
[12:45:34] <G>	brion-away: actually, forget that
[12:49:40] <Werdna>	G: brion isn't due for another 3 hours or so
[12:50:11] <G>	interesting message: 'For MSSQL, compile PHP using --with-mssql not ready, or install the mssql not ready.so module'
[12:58:28] <WikiziA12>	i have problem with install. who can help me ?
[13:00:13] <WikiziA12>	hello ???
[13:00:20] <Platonides>	WikiziA12, state what's your problem
[13:00:31] <Platonides>	if anyone knows the answer, will tell you
[13:01:44] <WikiziA12>	i have wiki installed but i can not open the wikisite
[13:02:06] <WikiziA12>	I cam always return to installsite
[13:02:11] <WikiziA12>	come
[13:02:42] <Platonides>	have you installed it?
[13:02:51] <WikiziA12>	yes
[13:03:21] <Platonides>	have you copied the Locasettings file?
[13:03:36] <WikiziA12>	but i always return no
[13:03:41] <WikiziA12>	no
[13:04:06] <Platonides>	is the install page shown?
[13:04:07] <sazma>	Hi, this morning I upgraded our mediawiki 1.11 to 1.12 not knowing that there was a new dependency on DOMDocument (which is disabled in RHEL5) Is there a way to turn off that dependency so that my wiki can function again? I don't see anything about it in the releasenotes
[13:04:27] <WikiziA12>	yes always
[13:04:38] <Platonides>	you should be getting a page telling you need to move localsetting from the config folder to the root of wiki directory
[13:04:46] <Platonides>	sazma, yes
[13:05:39] <sazma>	Platonides, what do I do? :)
[13:05:41] <WikiziA12>	also change the the local.. file to root 
[13:05:46] <WikiziA12>	??
[13:06:02] <Platonides>	sazma, set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash';
[13:06:07] <Platonides>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#.28RESOLVED.29_PHP_Fatal_error:_Class_.27DOMDocument.27_not_found_in_.2Fvar.2Fwww.2Fhtml.2Fwiki.2Fincludes.2FPreprocessor_DOM.php_on_line_566
[13:06:29] <Platonides>	WikiziA12, the install process hasn't completed
[13:06:45] <Platonides>	it should have generated LocalSettings.php at the config folder
[13:07:00] <Platonides>	which you then need to move to the parent folder
[13:07:09] <WikiziA12>	speak you german ?
[13:07:20] <sazma>	Platonides, thanks :)
[13:08:14] <Platonides>	glad to be helpful, sazma
[13:08:21] <sazma>	Platonides, do I lose any functionality by not having that php extension?
[13:08:22] <Platonides>	WikiziA12, i'm afraid i don't
[13:08:47] <Platonides>	sazma, you're using a different preprocessor, but i don't think you lose any real functionality
[13:08:48] <WikiziA12>	also the localsetting delete ? 
[13:09:02] <Platonides>	delete??
[13:09:17] <sazma>	Platonides, thanks again :) have a great day.
[13:10:07] <sazma>	oops I forgot I had another question :)
[13:10:35] <Platonides>	xD
[13:11:09] <WikiziA12>	also the localsetting file remove ??
[13:12:10] <sazma>	I'm trying to run the BugzillaReports extension and if I hit a page that has its magic syntax, I get a DB error in my logs... mysql_er
[13:12:10] <sazma>	rno(): 41 is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /var/www/sys/htdocs/mediawiki/includes/Database.php on line 1063   The wiki works fine if pages don't have the BugzillaReports stuff
[13:12:14] <WikiziA12>	platonides ?
[13:12:16] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39285 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Plural support for abusefilter-edit-throttle-seconds
[13:12:19] <Werdna>	there we go
[13:12:22] <Werdna>	siebrand: one cookie.
[13:12:45] <WikiziA12>	who can help me ?
[13:12:45] <Platonides>	WikiziA12, i don't understand what you need to delete
[13:12:57] <WikiziA12>	delete = remove
[13:13:01] <Platonides>	plus you must be doing something wrong if you're getting the install page every time
[13:13:22] <Platonides>	what's the wiki url?
[13:14:03] <WikiziA12>	what must i do ?
[13:14:49] <sazma>	it seems weird to get a mediawiki DB error because of an extension... the extension does connect to a different DB, but I'm not sure how that could kill the main DB handle... I've looked through the code of the extension and would guess that it's doing things correctly
[13:14:59] <Werdna>	sazma: what's the error?
[13:15:08] <sazma>	I pasted above
[13:15:08] <Werdna>	sazma: never mind, I saw.
[13:15:24] <Werdna>	sazma: Well, the error could be an error with the bugzilla DB
[13:15:47] <WikiziA12>	werda ? speak you german ?
[13:15:55] <sazma>	Werdna, I don't think the extension uses includes/Database.php
[13:16:03] <sazma>	but could be wrong... lemme look
[13:16:06] <WikiziA12>	werdna
[13:16:35] <sazma>	Werdna, yea, it doesn't
[13:16:47] <Werdna>	sazma: what's the backtrace?
[13:16:57] <sazma>	Werdna, how do I get one?
[13:17:06] <WikiziA12>	.-??(
[13:17:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-conformant XHTML in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14727  (10Platonides)
[13:18:31] <sazma>	the way RHEL5 handles PHP errors is very new to me... I'm used to them showing up in the page, not in the log.
[13:18:52] <Platonides>	sazma, you can set display_errors on in the php.ini
[13:19:02] <Platonides>	but shouldn't leave that into production
[13:19:15] <WikiziA12>	Hello wikibugs 
[13:19:18] <sazma>	Platonides, I wonder if I can override it with .htaccess
[13:19:32] <WikiziA12>	I have a problem 
[13:19:41] <sazma>	wikibugs is a bot
[13:20:13] <Platonides>	sazma yes, it reports issues on our bugzilla
[13:20:23] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA12: don't talk to the bot, he'll get used to it.
[13:20:37] <sazma>	Platonides, Yea, I was telling WikiziA12 
[13:20:48] <WikiziA12>	duesentrieb speak you german ?
[13:20:49] <Platonides>	i didn't saw "his hello wikibugs" xD
[13:21:13] <Duesentrieb>	WikiziA12: yep, but if we speak german, then no one else can join the conversation.
[13:21:41] <sazma>	Werdna, is there a pastebin you prefer?
[13:22:12] <Duesentrieb>	sazma: there'S one in the topic
[13:23:05] <sazma>	http://rafb.net/p/4MLyZt60.html
[13:23:08] <WikiziA12>	I come afters install always back to installsite. who can help me ?
[13:23:36] <Werdna>	sazma: not really
[13:24:29] <LeonWP>	AaronSchulz, I'm wondering how FlaggedArticle::addQuickReview() can find out on diff whether the younger revision is reviewed or not, any idea?
[13:24:46] <sazma>	Werdna, http://rafb.net/p/4MLyZt60.html
[13:25:02] <WikiziA12>	hellllllllllooooooo
[13:25:29] <Werdna>	sazma: hmm
[13:35:06] <sazma>	hehe
[13:36:32] <sazma>	there was also this bit at the end http://rafb.net/p/q8gJtb42.html
[13:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exclusion to robots.txt file for en.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10648  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[13:51:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ghost categories in wanted categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15152 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (frard)
[14:00:55] <twincest>	Werdna: any opinion on select/case syntax?  (select (FOO) in 1: some_value 2: another_value ...)
[14:01:14] <Werdna>	I'm not quite sure what you're getting at
[14:01:20] <Werdna>	oh I see, it's like a switch.
[14:01:27] <twincest>	yes, except it returns a value instead of executing code
[14:01:30] <twincest>	(sine we don't have code)
[14:04:08] <sazma>	any tips on further debugging my problem? I've contacted the extension's author (via wordpress comment :( ) in the hopes that he'll contact me, but I'd love to figure out why the extension seems to be stomping on the main DB handle
[14:16:48] <Werdna>	twincest: No particular preference.
[14:16:57] <Werdna>	TimStarling: how was the meetup?
[14:18:21] <TimStarling>	it was good
[14:18:50] <TimStarling>	your name came up, Werdna, Nick wanted to know what we could do to get you to one of these meetups
[14:18:56] <Werdna>	I would have come, but I'm a week out from trials.
[14:19:03] <Werdna>	and it's a weeknight.
[14:19:30] <Werdna>	In two weeks, I'll be more available (that is, until mid-october)
[14:20:08] <Werdna>	HSC finishes in early November, and I'll be leaving, either to San Francisco or to Europe, by the beginning of next year.
[14:21:54] <Werdna>	I haven't spoken to Nick in ages.
[14:21:59] <Werdna>	he doesn't use IRC anymore.
[14:23:22] <TimStarling>	we're talking about having a wiki wednesday
[14:23:39] <Werdna>	Wasn't that under discussion two months ago?
[14:23:47] <TimStarling>	it's always under discussion
[14:23:52] <Werdna>	I could go to the September one.
[14:23:53] <TimStarling>	but who knows, maybe it'll happen this time
[14:24:06] <Werdna>	October, probably (if it's early in the month)
[14:24:34] *Werdna 	shrugs.
[14:24:37] <Werdna>	We had one, didn't we?
[14:25:42] <TimStarling>	don't know
[14:25:47] <TimStarling>	don't think so
[14:25:51] <TimStarling>	not recently
[14:26:17] <Werdna>	I seem to remember tht the last one was a wednesday evening.
[14:26:30] <Werdna>	Oh, you're talking about the more formal get-togethers.
[14:27:07] <gegema>	What is the syntax to declare a programming language on a wiki page so MW can do the markup in a box (like lang=php)?
[14:27:22] <Werdna>	<source lang="php">
[14:27:24] <Werdna>	I THINK.
[14:27:34] <Simetrical>	gegema, do you have a syntax highlight extension installed?
[14:27:50] <Werdna>	anyway, time for me to go to bed.
[14:27:57] <Werdna>	I have to be up at a quarter to seven tomorrow morning.
[14:28:03] <gegema>	Simetrical: that was going to be my next Q... will go ahead and install it now
[14:28:10] <Simetrical>	!syntaxhighlight
[14:28:10] --mwbot--	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[14:28:26] <Werdna>	goodnight, all.
[14:29:12] <gegema>	Simetrical: would there be a syntax highlighting for shell scripts?
[14:29:27] <Simetrical>	gegema, probably.  Whatever GeSHi does, if you use the GeSHi extension.
[14:29:37] <Simetrical>	Check their documentation, don't ask us.  :)
[14:29:42] <gegema>	sorry
[14:30:58] <alnokta>	TimStarling, what do you think of this? http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/NewUserMessage.class.php?r1=38809&r2=39262
[14:33:36] <TimStarling>	looks wrong
[14:33:41] <TimStarling>	what are the tidles meant to do?
[14:33:54] <alnokta>	TimStarling, to add the time and date
[14:34:14] <TimStarling>	maybe they would if you parsed this text before saving it
[14:34:26] <TimStarling>	have you tested it?
[14:34:41] <alnokta>	http//:alnokta.arablug.org/omkaltom 
[14:34:44] <alnokta>	many times
[14:34:59] <alnokta>	make a new user
[14:36:04] <TimStarling>	ok, maybe it does work then
[14:36:46] <alnokta>	its okay to submit a bug to enable it on arwiki then?
[14:37:00] <TimStarling>	it should be refactored slightly though
[14:37:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Double accesskeys cause problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14757  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:37:47] <alnokta>	TimStarling, could you do it please? 
[14:37:49] <Schroeder>	...so Chad Johnson is petitioning to change his last name to "Ocho Cinco"
[14:38:35] <sazma>	anyone know how to turn off time tracking in bugzilla 3.0.5?
[14:39:18] <TimStarling>	also, make sure you get the indenting the same as the standard
[14:39:29] <TimStarling>	otherwise the diffs will look funny
[14:40:57] <TimStarling>	signs=signatures, right?
[14:41:06] <TimStarling>	some sort of abbreviation?
[14:41:27] <alnokta>	yes 
[14:43:22] <TimStarling>	my wiki is broken...
[14:44:43] <alnokta>	because of it? how come
[14:45:39] <TimStarling>	no, unrelated, never mind
[14:52:52] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r39286 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Linker.php Xml.php): Cleanup some of my old code a bit. These should still be replaced with nicer functions altogether, though, as Brion would have it.
[14:56:36] <gongoputch>	is it possible to use http authentication for the wiki app to identify users?
[15:02:55] <Duesentrieb>	gongoputch: yes.
[15:02:57] <Duesentrieb>	!auth
[15:02:57] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[15:03:38] <gongoputch>	nice, thanks
[15:08:47] <Schroeder>	ahh...trombone practice time
[15:11:48] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r39287 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[15:11:49] <CIA-56>	Fix regression from r37834: accesskey tooltip hint should be given for the minor edit and watch labels on the edit page. This code could still use refactoring, but that's a separate issue. :)
[15:11:49] <CIA-56>	I relied on the fact that $n is usable to catch back-references in JavaScript
[15:11:49] <CIA-56>	replacement text -- this seems to work in latest-ish versions of Firefox,
[15:11:49] <CIA-56>	Konqueror, and Opera, so I'm assuming it works everywhere. ;) As usual, the
[15:11:50] <CIA-56>	Web gives tons of dodgy-looking cookbooks with no useful info whenever I try to
[15:11:52] <CIA-56>	search for anything JavaScript-related.
[15:15:22] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r39288 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Backport 39286, 39287 from trunk: fix regressions in tooltip display for minor edit/watch checkboxes on edit.
[15:19:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Double accesskeys cause problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14757  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:25:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Hooks to SpecialImport and SpecialExport - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11539  +comment (10seventowers)
[15:25:51] <CIA-56>	03alnokta * r39289 10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/NewUserMessage.class.php: Clean up
[15:34:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15153 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mohamed.m.k)
[15:34:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add localizations hints to newly set up wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14681  +comment (10siebrand)
[15:35:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Password reset appears to fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14683   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[15:39:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable e-mail notifications on Bulgarian projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14666  trivial->normal;  +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[15:41:01] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39290 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (bug 15141) - Give "cascadeonly" checkbox on Special:ProtectedPages.
[15:41:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) List cascading-protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15141  -shell ; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change author - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673  +comment (10siebrand)
[15:48:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) css/js should be gzip'd - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15154 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (seventowers)
[15:51:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) css/js should be gzip'd - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15154  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:54:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change author - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673  +comment (10smihael)
[16:03:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) css/js should be gzip'd - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15154  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:04:36] <b00st3d>	if anyone can help me
[16:04:46] <b00st3d>	why are the categories like this (at the bottom of the page) on my wiki?  http://www.evogarage.net/index.php/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Evolution
[16:05:51] <^demon>	What do you mean by "like this?" It looks fine to me.
[16:05:59] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r39291 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SGM_QueryPrinter.php: Fixed handling of quotes in title names
[16:06:02] <Reedy>	b00st3d, presumably from transcluded templates
[16:06:21] <Reedy>	I suspect thats what your meaning, as you havent specifically added them
[16:06:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install ChangeAuthor on Slovenian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:06:54] <b00st3d>	yes i didnt add them, im not even sure how to add categories, im a n00b with mediawiki...how can i get rid of those purposeless categories?
[16:07:23] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r39292 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SemanticGoogleMaps.php: Fixed handling for skins where search form comes before main page
[16:07:32] <^demon>	If you imported it from en.wikipedia, then you probably need to remove the {{fact}} templates, etc.
[16:07:43] <Reedy>	"Category:All articles with unsourced statements" is in fact
[16:07:55] <Reedy>	same for 2nd one
[16:08:17] <b00st3d>	yes i did import it from wikipedia...but im not sure where you guys are referring to to edit it
[16:08:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lots of images have disappeared from ku.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15111  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[16:08:48] <Reedy>	http://www.evogarage.net/index.php?title=Template:Fact&action=edit
[16:08:54] <Reedy>	|cat=[[Category:All articles with unsourced statements]]
[16:08:54] <Reedy>	|cat-date=Category:Articles with unsourced statements}}<!--{{Fact}} end--><noinclude>
[16:09:03] <Reedy>	its from those 2
[16:11:10] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39293 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/404.php: 
[16:11:10] <CIA-56>	* Use XHTML 1.0 Transitional doctype
[16:11:10] <CIA-56>	* Fix XHTML errors
[16:13:19] <b00st3d>	i removed those lines you told me to, but it still has a category at the bottom
[16:13:33] <^demon>	Did you try action=purge on the page?
[16:13:43] <geekabit>	Can someone submit a simple patch for me? Or can I get commit permissions to do it myself?
[16:13:44] <b00st3d>	not sure how to do that
[16:14:11] <^demon>	They went away for me :-)
[16:14:20] <^demon>	http://www.evogarage.net/index.php/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Evolution?action=purge
[16:15:25] <b00st3d>	still there for me
[16:15:34] <^demon>	Only 1 :-)
[16:15:47] <b00st3d>	grrr this is so confusing
[16:16:21] <^demon>	For what it's worth, your host triggers an interesting error.
[16:17:10] <b00st3d>	hnnn
[16:17:12] <b00st3d>	hmmm*&
[16:20:05] <TurboBee>	how do i know if my user account is an admin account?
[16:20:19] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r39294 10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/ (NewUserMessage.class.php NewUserMessage.php): 
[16:20:20] <CIA-56>	* Refactored r39262
[16:20:20] <CIA-56>	* Fixed spelling
[16:20:27] <Jhs>	TurboBee,  Special:Listusers/sysop ?
[16:21:00] <b00st3d>	im about to just start over cuz of this category crap...
[16:21:27] <Simetrical>	TurboBee, check Special:ListUsers.
[16:22:12] <TurboBee>	ok
[16:23:54] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39295 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: Catch php installs who have proc_open() disabled.
[16:30:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  (10N/A)
[16:32:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15153  +comment (10tstarling)
[16:33:17] <White_Cat>	TimStarling you around? :)
[16:36:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Large images preview and navigation (enhancement) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15155 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (mail2lx)
[16:36:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Large images preview and navigation (enhancement) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15155  (10mail2lx)
[16:37:35] <mardetanha>	TimStarling is square
[16:39:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SUL "You have a new message" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15156 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[16:41:46] <twincest>	Werdna: i think variables coming from AbuseFilter should have types
[16:41:59] <twincest>	otherwise, someone with username of "000001" will cause odd results
[16:42:30] <CIA-56>	03river * r39296 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/include/ (functors.h type_name.h): provide nicer type names in error messages
[16:42:35] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39297 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php findSettings.php): Added --alpha option to findSettings.php script
[16:44:05] <CrazyTB>	Hey, what do I need to have the Special:SpecialPages with categories?
[16:44:16] <CrazyTB>	I mean, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
[16:44:19] <MZMcBride>	An updated copy of MediaWiki.
[16:44:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:44:29] <CrazyTB>	Is it something new from 1.12 or 1.13?
[16:44:30] <MZMcBride>	That's part of MediaWiki 1.13.
[16:44:42] <CrazyTB>	MZMcBride: ok, thanks!
[16:44:43] <MZMcBride>	1.13 should be released final very shortly.
[16:44:47] <MZMcBride>	No problem.
[16:45:09] <TurboBee>	Simetrical Jhs thanks for your help :)
[16:47:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:47:21] <yannf>	hello, what about this bug? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383
[16:48:22] <CrazyTB>	BTW, I'm not sure if anyone can help me... but take a look at this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Usage_Statistics#No_such_special_page
[16:50:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If PURGE command to Squid gets 404-cache miss, MW sends multiple retries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383  normal->minor; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:51:50] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39298 10/trunk/phase3/includes/IP.php: add HexToOct()
[16:53:01] <TurboBee>	how do I change it so that you have to login in order to change stuff on the wiki
[16:53:31] <CrazyTB>	TurboBee: it is on the FAQ
[16:53:45] <Simetrical>	!prevacc | TurboBee 
[16:53:45] --mwbot--	TurboBee: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[16:53:46] <CrazyTB>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preventing_Access
[16:54:12] <TurboBee>	thanks
[16:58:43] <Nifi>	hello
[17:02:41] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39299 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser.php CheckUser_body.php): 
[17:02:41] <CIA-56>	* Add checkbox blocking/tagging (bug 12808)
[17:02:41] <CIA-56>	* Use HexToOct() to avoid extra code here
[17:03:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Blocking and tagging from checkuser interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12808  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:09:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If PURGE command to Squid gets 404-cache miss, MW sends multiple retries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10383  (10yann)
[17:12:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) If two users do a rollback simultaneously, two equal revisions are the result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14662  15enhancement->normal; normal->high; +comment (10siebrand)
[17:16:36] <CIA-56>	03river * r39300 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/include/functors.h: need type_name here too
[17:17:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on Classical Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14715  (10itsminecookies)
[17:20:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace selection via checkboxes on Special: Watchlist instead of drop down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14658  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:21:23] <CrazyTB>	is there any extension that show the list of users and their groups?
[17:21:35] <CrazyTB>	or the list of groups and the users that belong to them?
[17:21:36] <twincest>	Special:Listusers
[17:22:11] <CrazyTB>	dang, so obvious...
[17:22:11] <Schroeder2>	you know, I really really hate having to change propane tanks right in the middle of cooking something
[17:26:07] <AaronSchulz>	;p
[17:27:35] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39301 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: tweak for WMF
[17:30:28] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) SUL "You have a new message" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15156  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:30:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please add cross-wiki talk page notification. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1066  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:31:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on en.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14618  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:38:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make Special:Watchlist look and behave like Special: RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15157 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (siebrand)
[17:40:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add type parameter to ModifyUITemplate function calls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9691   +easy (10seventowers)
[17:40:22] <CIA-56>	03river * r39302 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/parser_native/ (23 files in 2 dirs): move include files to include/
[17:40:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace selection via checkboxes on Special: Watchlist instead of drop down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14658  (10siebrand)
[17:40:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Special:Watchlist look and behave like Special: RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15157  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:41:34] <siebrand>	Raymond_: are you familiar with any of those 2 pages? Would it indeed be possible to have them use a lot of the same code?
[17:42:23] <siebrand>	Raymond_: basically only the header, and 2 features (no "all" in RC, no "Mark all visited" in RC) should remain different, as far as I can asses.
[17:42:33] <Raymond_>	siebrand: not really. I have had a short look into it to add the fieldset... and saw some other things to do
[17:43:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow ZIP CAPAB on irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14652  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:43:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow ZIP CAPAB on irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14652  (10siebrand)
[17:45:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Special:Watchlist look and behave like Special: RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15157  (10siebrand)
[17:47:20] <TurboBee>	how do i add spacing in my wiki so I can make things prettier
[17:47:37] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Automatic account creations (SUL) are not reported on irc RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14650  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:53:46] <akjohnson>	Are there any plans to ever paginate Special:AllMessages?
[17:54:59] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[17:55:13] <Nikerabbit>	akjohnson: nope :D
[17:55:26] <Nikerabbit>	or at least my opinion is that everyone should use Translate extension :D
[17:56:59] <^demon>	Allmessages is fun being long :-)
[17:58:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Block log below block form limited to 50 entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14638   +need-review; +comment (10siebrand)
[17:58:50] <Nikerabbit>	it is what it is, nothing more
[18:01:37] <siebrand>	Werdna: can you fix the incorrect bug reference in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14636#c1 ?
[18:02:29] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r39303 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/README: Removed unnecessary 'and'
[18:02:43] <b00st3d>	I'm trying to delete the images folder on my FTP but I keep getting this error:
[18:02:51] <b00st3d>	550 Can't remove directory: Permission denied
[18:03:24] <^demon>	b00st3d: That's a problem with your host, not MediaWiki.
[18:03:45] <b00st3d>	best way to go about fixing it?
[18:04:16] <^demon>	Talk to your host :-)
[18:04:51] <Simetrical>	^demon, that's not quite fair.
[18:04:54] <b00st3d>	hmm that never gets me very far
[18:04:58] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki could be designed to be more accommodating.
[18:05:02] <b00st3d>	i dont understand, its a folder that i made, with images i put in
[18:05:09] <b00st3d>	its not like its a restricted folder
[18:05:11] <Simetrical>	b00st3d, the folder was probably created by the web server.  Not you.
[18:05:14] <b00st3d>	it wont let me delete any folder or files in that directory
[18:05:21] <Simetrical>	So you'd have to get the web server to delete it again.
[18:05:29] <b00st3d>	how can i do that
[18:06:07] <Simetrical>	Write a script to do it, I guess.
[18:06:17] <Simetrical>	We should really support database-based image storage.
[18:06:35] <b00st3d>	:(
[18:06:57] <^demon>	Simetrical: Bug 363.
[18:06:59] <^demon>	:(
[18:06:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) [[Special:MergeAccount]] does not recognize passwords of own accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14481  (10tstarling)
[18:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) (optionally) store uploads in database blobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:12:01] <pretty_alicia>	hi
[18:18:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:20:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[18:23:08] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[18:29:54] <alicia>	hi
[18:33:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629  +comment (10Platonides)
[18:35:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15006  (10Aleksandriti)
[18:48:12] <krosswindz>	i am n00b
[18:49:18] <krosswindz>	i just installed mediawiki on my debian server following the guide http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_GNU/Linux
[18:49:36] <krosswindz>	I edited the main page
[18:49:48] <krosswindz>	how do I remove the lines which say
[18:49:55] <krosswindz>	MediaWiki has been successfully installed
[18:50:03] <b00st3d>	when copying themes from wikipedia, do i not copy over the <noinclude>abcdefg</noinclude> stuff?
[18:50:11] <krosswindz>	consult the User's guide for information on using the wiki software
[18:52:46] <TaKaGaRi>	krosswindz didnt u just answer your own Q then?
[18:52:59] <krosswindz>	I edited it
[18:53:04] <krosswindz>	but I still see those to lines
[18:53:11] <krosswindz>	followed by what I added newly
[18:53:18] <krosswindz>	I am not able to remove those when I click on edit
[18:53:19] <TaKaGaRi>	did u edit that section or the PAGE. im pretty sure when u edit the page u can remove it
[18:53:32] <TaKaGaRi>	link?
[18:53:48] <krosswindz>	its an internal wiki for our Lab
[18:53:57] <TaKaGaRi>	ah
[18:54:00] <krosswindz>	I clicked edit on top
[18:54:07] <krosswindz>	and added
[18:54:09] <TaKaGaRi>	did u click the edit at the top middle of the page? or the edit at the far right side?
[18:54:19] <krosswindz>	at the far right side
[18:54:28] <TaKaGaRi>	try the one in th emiddle
[18:54:29] <krosswindz>	it showed me getting started
[18:54:36] <krosswindz>	in the middle
[18:54:39] <krosswindz>	i see it
[18:54:42] <krosswindz>	next to history
[18:54:45] <TaKaGaRi>	page - discussion - edit etc
[18:54:49] <krosswindz>	duh
[18:54:56] <krosswindz>	sorry for being so stupid
[18:54:56] <TaKaGaRi>	the one on the far right is an edit for that sub section only
[18:55:04] <TaKaGaRi>	tis okay
[18:55:13] <krosswindz>	this is the first time I am installing it
[18:55:19] <krosswindz>	all this while I have just read
[18:55:39] <TaKaGaRi>	dont worry i had to learn it also
[18:55:58] <krosswindz>	is there any way to add on a better editor to it
[18:56:29] <krosswindz>	i mean there is just a basic editor
[18:56:37] <krosswindz>	if i want to change the font size and things like that?
[18:59:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A hook to enable putting options to the preferences tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14806  +comment (10seventowers)
[19:01:05] <TaKaGaRi>	krosswindz no idea, would be handy if there was a html converter actually haha. but we can drema
[19:01:08] <TaKaGaRi>	dream
[19:01:09] <TaKaGaRi>	!html
[19:01:09] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[19:01:45] <krosswindz>	thanks
[19:01:51] <krosswindz>	thanks TaKaGaRi 
[19:02:00] <krosswindz>	let me get back to editing the wiki now
[19:02:05] <TaKaGaRi>	lol k
[19:02:13] <krosswindz>	one quick question
[19:02:21] <TaKaGaRi>	k
[19:02:24] <krosswindz>	how do I change the permissions that ppl who have not logged in
[19:02:26] <krosswindz>	not to edit it
[19:03:08] <TaKaGaRi>	kross try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Editing_tools#From_HTML
[19:03:12] <TaKaGaRi>	new to me but may be usefull
[19:03:21] <TaKaGaRi>	on a page? or ALL pages?
[19:03:27] <krosswindz>	All pages
[19:03:39] <^demon|busy>	!access
[19:03:39] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[19:03:40] <TaKaGaRi>	sec
[19:03:47] <TaKaGaRi>	ah there u go heh
[19:03:55] <krosswindz>	thanks
[19:04:05] <krosswindz>	how does one know what to search for like
[19:04:06] <smithj>	how can i sum a given colum in a table automatically? i can't for the life of me find it in the docs
[19:04:49] <TaKaGaRi>	kross do u mean how do peopl eknow what pages are there?
[19:04:56] <krosswindz>	yes
[19:05:23] <TaKaGaRi>	type "special:allpages" into search
[19:05:34] <krosswindz>	aah
[19:05:44] <krosswindz>	how do i know which file to edit
[19:06:01] <krosswindz>	the link that u gave me shows some variable that i need to change
[19:06:02] <TaKaGaRi>	for that page?
[19:06:18] <TaKaGaRi>	it simply lists every page in there. dont think u can edit it
[19:06:27] <krosswindz>	i meant this
[19:06:30] <krosswindz>	$wgGroupPermissions['group']['right'] = true /* or false */;
[19:06:43] <TaKaGaRi>	oh, not sure
[19:06:46] <TaKaGaRi>	never played with it
[19:06:52] <krosswindz>	ooh ok
[19:06:57] <krosswindz>	thanks for your help
[19:07:28] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39304 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/Stabilization_body.php: 
[19:07:28] <CIA-56>	* Use proper CSS classes for tables for RTL wikis
[19:07:28] <CIA-56>	* Use standard XML functions
[19:07:53] <TaKaGaRi>	!menu
[19:07:53] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "menu". You might try: !sidebar 
[19:07:59] <TaKaGaRi>	!navigation
[19:07:59] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "navigation". You might try: !purge !sidebar 
[19:08:02] <TaKaGaRi>	hmm
[19:08:59] <TaKaGaRi>	whats the search for the nav menu editing again?
[19:09:18] <rainman-sr>	!sidebar
[19:09:18] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[19:09:24] <TaKaGaRi>	aha sidebar
[19:09:25] <TaKaGaRi>	thank u
[19:09:26] <ArdRigh>	lol
[19:09:38] <ArdRigh>	mwbot: I don't know anything about "menu". You might try: !sidebar  ;)
[19:09:48] <TaKaGaRi>	hmm
[19:09:52] <TaKaGaRi>	guess if i had read it all lol
[19:21:57] <Dantman>	Ack damn... Tim is away
[19:23:33] <Von>	How would someone mass-delete images/image pages?
[19:24:43] <alnokta2>	medium sized nukes 
[19:26:12] <b00st3d>	what would be the best way to get the little infoboxes on the right hand side of this page onto my wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancer_evo
[19:26:57] <Von>	I was thinking something like Extension:DeleteBatch, but not sure if that'd work.
[19:27:48] <alnokta2>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke does that work for you?
[19:29:03] <Von>	Worth a shot. I'll check it out. Thanks!
[19:29:56] <Pretty_Alicia>	hi
[19:30:09] <mamendoz>	Hi
[19:30:25] <Pretty_Alicia>	hi mamendoz
[19:30:35] <b00st3d>	what would be the best way to get the little infoboxes on the right hand side of this page onto my wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancer_evo
[19:30:48] <mamendoz>	Is there a way to make the the sidebar navigation context sensity. I want it to change dynamically like the toolbox does
[19:31:02] <mamendoz>	*sensitive
[19:33:32] <Simetrical>	mamendoz, no.  Or, not without changing the source code.
[19:35:15] <mamendoz>	I see. Could I manipulate the DOM structure of the left navigation with JavaScript, depending on the current page?
[19:35:33] <Von>	b00st3d, those are templates. Just look at the edit code.
[19:42:04] <mamendoz>	well, nevermind... I found an extension that promises to do that. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageSidebar 
[19:48:25] <Dantman>	Time to build a complex new feature...
[19:48:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User interface descriptions look wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14800  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:49:40] <^demon|busy>	Dantman: What now? ;-)
[19:50:10] <Dantman>	Have you noticed that a number of extensions are now starting to hack link syntax?
[19:51:14] <Dantman>	They attempt to duplicate how the parser parses them... with albet poor methods... which either force them to downgrade the abilities of their extension when they run into serious bugs, or deal with server errors because PHP can't handle the complex regexes.
[19:51:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prefix option for inputbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6640   +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[19:52:03] <twincest>	VasilievVV: did you want a non-gmp parser because you can't use gmp, or just as an option?
[19:52:42] <^demon|busy>	Dantman: Regexes getting too big is a problem in several places :(
[19:52:44] <VasilievVV>	twincest: nah, I want to build parser under Windows
[19:52:48] <Dantman>	SMW: [[property::value|default]], WikiVid: [[Embed:Video|...]]
[19:53:02] <twincest>	hmm, you can build gmp with mingw, but the C++ library won't work with VC
[19:53:07] <Dantman>	And I believe there are a number of older ones
[19:53:11] <^demon|busy>	You can't importDump with Cite and/or ParserFunctions installed (never figured out which one exactly, I believe it's the latter, personally)
[19:53:16] <twincest>	(but you could build the parser with mingw)
[19:53:16] <Dantman>	Wikia even has one that uses a [[Video:...]]
[19:53:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Multiple inputboxes make page invalid due to repetitive similar id - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11777   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[19:54:17] <Von>	Sounds interesting.
[19:54:21] <Dantman>	So I'm thinking of a new type of parser * hook for link type syntaxes to hook into the internal stuff
[19:54:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inputbox uses too much formatting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13834  summary; +comment (10siebrand)
[19:55:00] <Dantman>	setHook (<ext />), setFunctionHook ({{#pfunc:}}), setLinkHook ([[Link Hook]])
[19:55:30] <VasilievVV>	twincest: I'll try to bundle GMP, Boost and ICU in one binary. But before I'll got to find out WTF VC needs .NET 3.5 SP 1 and why doesn't it want to install under Vista :)
[19:56:24] <twincest>	if you're just building it rather than developing mingw is probably easier
[19:56:31] <Dantman>	Going to have a set of flags for things like recursive support (like how Image: has it), patterns inside of pesudo namespaces (Like SMW's), multiple params (Image's param|param|param), and the odd but useful, recursion in the first link piece
[19:56:38] <Dantman>	instead of*
[19:56:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inputbox Always includes Main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14586   +need-review +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[19:57:01] <^demon|busy>	*cough*inputboxsucks*cough*
[19:57:23] <Dantman>	^_^ Heh, ya, it's been ood for ages
[19:57:25] <siebrand>	*cough*fucking improve it*cough*
[19:57:33] <siebrand>	;)
[19:57:36] <Dantman>	Uhm...
[19:57:40] <Von>	mamendoz, IIRC, I've heard some negatives about Jldupont's extensions
[19:57:42] <Dantman>	;) There is already a replacement for it
[19:57:51] <Dantman>	CreateBox
[19:57:51] <^demon|busy>	siebrand: I thought about rewriting it once, then I remembered I didn't care enough ;-)
[19:57:54] <siebrand>	in SVN?
[19:58:04] <siebrand>	some 8-10 open issues on it.
[19:58:05] <twincest>	i wonder if ialex has a bot to set svn:eol-style
[19:58:09] <VasilievVV>	twincest: I want simple windows-without-linux-emulator users be able to use parser
[19:58:27] <twincest>	VasilievVV: mingw is not a linux emulator, you're thinking of cygwin
[19:58:30] <siebrand>	can't paste bugzilla search urls. Too damn long.
[19:58:36] <twincest>	VasilievVV: mingw binaries are just as native as the ones VC makes
[19:58:46] <^demon|busy>	siebrand: tinyurl?
[19:58:47] <VasilievVV>	I see
[19:58:51] <VasilievVV>	gotta go
[19:59:41] <siebrand>	http://tiny.cc/sKhMj (all open inputbox issues)
[20:01:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Portal namespace on Gan Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14622  normal->lowest; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:01:52] <mamendoz>	I see.. I just installed it.. seems ok. Let me take a look at CreateBox
[20:03:44] <siebrand>	should inputbox be obsoleted in favour of CreateBox? (can only be done if it fully covers all inputbox specs)
[20:05:30] <Prodego>	including the clearly hacked in preview function?
[20:07:30] <^demon|busy>	and only if it's written in easier-to-follow PHP.
[20:07:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link in NoLocalSettings.php is incorrect when using php-fastcgi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14614   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:09:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Version should show all third party software which it depends on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14611  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:13:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change global defaults doesn't work for registered users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5363  minor->normal; normal->high; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:14:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <p> tags in front of all parser functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14607   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:15:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatic change of settings after SUL merge: No acces to " Recent changes" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14606   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:17:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Version should show all third party software which it depends on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14611  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:21:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629  +comment (10cometstyles)
[20:22:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:26:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) central-auth ALT message for browsers with images disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14597  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:27:54] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r39305 10/trunk/extensions/Duplicator/Duplicator.i18n.php: Minor message tweaks.
[20:29:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:34:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629  -testme ; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:34:10] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  wgNamespacesWithSubpages and wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault for Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14992  +comment (10lugusto)
[20:34:44] <Dantman>	siebrand: CreateBox does all the create stuff that Inputbox does (and has more features), however it does not do search like Inputbox does... that's why it's not obsoleted
[20:35:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767  (10rstefanov)
[20:36:35] <siebrand>	Dantman: OK. I hate forks.
[20:36:56] <Dantman>	^_^ Do you hate big new parser features?
[20:38:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602  (10siebrand)
[20:38:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL support (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767  (10rstefanov)
[20:40:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki: Prefs-memberingroups should be top-aligned and not followed by a colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14590  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:42:20] <siebrand>	Dantman: well, I'd hate it if what you are working on would not cover all of ParserFunctions, be backwards compatible with it, be better, and address some of the open issues for parserfunctions in bugzilla :)
[20:42:48] <siebrand>	Dantman: because that would mean that we just got another parser functions extension. Which is not so great, IMO.
[20:42:49] <Dantman>	^_^ Heh... this has nothing to do with ParserFunctions
[20:43:21] <Dantman>	LinkFunctions
[20:43:31] <siebrand>	Dantman: well, some thing you are working on *is* :)
[20:43:40] <Dantman>	Oh heh... WikiCode
[20:43:41] <siebrand>	or rather, *does*
[20:44:28] <Dantman>	* I copy from all the common extensions (or reimplement similar ones)
[20:44:40] <Dantman>	And I do solve a number of issues
[20:45:11] <Dantman>	If you'll notice #pad, it needs a tweak or two to get it fully working, but it handles multibyte characters and nowiki corretly unlike StringFunctions' #pad
[20:45:39] <Simetrical>	StringFunctions is not ParserFunctions.  StringFunctions needs cleanup to be usable.
[20:45:43] <Simetrical>	Not necessarily rewriting.
[20:48:28] <Dantman>	Meh well... current project, Link Hooks
[20:49:07] <Dantman>	Should solve SMW's new regression, while also making creating things like Emebed: or Video: namespaces easier.
[20:49:08] <freezey>	is their a converter to come from confluence to goto media wiki?
[20:50:02] <Simetrical>	freezey, not an official one.  You could try Googling.
[20:50:12] <siebrand>	Dantman: doesn't Configure cover adding namespaces?
[20:50:14] <Dantman>	^_^ Actually, someone could probably create a Audio: pesudo namespace and make it so that you could embed an audio player like you embed a Image
[20:50:24] <Dantman>	Eh?
[20:50:41] <Dantman>	Link me? splain?:
[20:50:50] <siebrand>	Dantman: ah, you mean adding additional media types, including display context.
[20:51:43] <Dantman>	setLinkHook( NS_EMBED, callback, SLH_MULTI_PARAMS | SLH_RECURSIVE_PARAMS )
[20:51:51] <Dantman>	Or for SMW more like
[20:52:11] <Simetrical>	Dantman, don't use named constants.  They're a PITA to debug.
[20:52:16] <Simetrical>	Just use strings.
[20:52:29] <Simetrical>	Easier to read and type, no namespace collisions, etc., etc.
[20:52:36] <Simetrical>	array( 'multi', 'recursive' )
[20:52:41] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Mediawiki categories User-Javascripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14573  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:52:50] <Dantman>	setLinkHook( '/.*?::.*?/', callback, SLH_PATTERN | SLH_RECURSIVE_PARAMS | SLH_RECURSIVE_LINK ) (though they could find a better regex)
[20:52:57] <Dantman>	Hmmm
[20:53:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL support (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:54:01] <Dantman>	Trying to keep inline with tim's setFunctionHook... perhaps I'll poke him and see what he say's to use
[20:54:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:56:07] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:57:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide ability to hide logs from RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14567  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:57:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferred video format in the user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14565  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:00:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13206  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:02:07] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39306 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: Fix typo (spotter by Brownout)
[21:04:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  The amount of articles in Chinese Wikipedia is counted incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14553  minor->normal; -need-review  (10siebrand)
[21:05:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14548  (10siebrand)
[21:06:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumb.php occasionally fails with error "ulimit4.sh: line 4: / usr/local/bin/rsvg: No such file or directory" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14535   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[21:07:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New informational security message for user .js pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14534  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:08:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error with nonexisting interface messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531  minor->normal (10siebrand)
[21:12:03] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add new topic tab should add before interwikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14514  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:12:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use a dedicated interface for adding interwiki/category links, not wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:14:10] <Helio>	I'm interested in integrating mediawiki with an existing site; I know exactly what I'm going to do (include a php script, then call two functions to draw the header/footer/include css) etc, but after looking at the manual for skinning, I'm not sure exactly what I have to keep, what I don't, and what I have to integrate into the upstream site.
[21:15:38] <darkcode>	shouldn't that be setLinkHook( 'embed', embed_callback ),  with something like: function embed_callback( $parser, $args ); when given as [[embed:foo]] $args is empty when passed as [[embed:foo|bar]] $args[0] is "bar", when passed as [[embed:foo|bar|buz]], $args[0] is "bar", $args[1] is "buz", etc.
[21:16:22] <darkcode>	or something like that
[21:17:34] <darkcode>	$args[0] = "foo", $args[1] = "bar", $args[2] = "buz"
[21:17:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for Java Theora decoder: Computation of quantization matrices according to spec - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15119  (10giles)
[21:22:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move edits from one user to another - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14502  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:24:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A way to hide the sidebar providing a "fullscreen" view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14501  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:25:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'SpecialPage_initList' hook appears to be broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14494   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[21:25:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Userinvalidcssjstitle not shown on preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15158 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (AlexSm)
[21:27:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Templates not rendered every time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14493   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[21:30:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add new global for toolbar relocation in EditPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14491  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:30:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New informational security message for user .js pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14534  (10AlexSm)
[21:32:21] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) add Bugzilla to unified login :P - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14487  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:33:10] <Splarka>	I wonder... 
[21:33:22] <Splarka>	an email -> talk page bot...
[21:34:28] <Splarka>	so a unified account on bugzilla might appear as user_talk:siebrand@nl.wikipedia.org  or user_talk:splarka@en.wiktionary.org
[21:34:44] <Splarka>	and on notification, it would leave a note on your talk page...
[21:34:46] <Splarka>	haha
[21:35:23] <White_Cat>	is it posible to use sorted list to sort images?
[21:35:33] <siebrand>	Splarka: bugzilla and SUL/Wikimedia are such different universes that I very much doubt if that would be useful.
[21:35:52] <Splarka>	White_Cat: mostly useful with a hidden text snipped before the image
[21:36:02] <White_Cat>	how?
[21:36:08] <siebrand>	Splarka: only imagine the crap that would flood bugzilla if every noob would start adding issues there.
[21:36:30] <White_Cat>	you mean comments?
[21:36:35] <Splarka>	siebrand: http://www.hostedimage.net/images/tx055yt0uz4uv5xlcsf.jpg  haha
[21:36:53] <Splarka>	White_Cat: I think display:none;, not sure, I'll check
[21:37:20] <siebrand>	Splarka: :(
[21:37:41] <Splarka>	White_Cat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting#Sorting_with_hidden_sortkey
[21:38:18] <Splarka>	kinda annoying, but there ya go
[21:39:29] <Splarka>	so you'd probably make a template like {{sortkey|foo}} and then: ||{{sortkey|foo}} [[Image:Foo.jpg]]  ... ||{{sortkey|bar}} [[Image:Bar.gif]]  etc
[21:39:40] *Splarka 	wonders if such a template exists
[21:40:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Contributions page: DirMark eats the space after page name in Opera 9.51 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14881  (10AlexSm)
[21:40:40] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sorting_templates
[21:41:37] <Splarka>	hmm
[21:42:02] <White_Cat>	Splarka?
[21:42:14] <White_Cat>	hmm
[21:42:25] <White_Cat>	oh I see
[21:42:26] <White_Cat>	easy to do
[21:42:33] <Splarka>	so like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sms
[21:42:49] <Splarka>	{{sms|image name}} [[Image:image]]
[21:42:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Contributions page: DirMark eats the space after page name in Opera 9.51 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14881  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:43:07] <Splarka>	odd, there are a bunch more, but they aren't showing in that category
[21:43:10] *Splarka 	purges them
[21:44:34] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sorting_templates  <-- there, smc, smd, sms, smn
[21:44:47] <darkcode>	that sounds overcomplicated to me, [[Category:Image Category Foobar|sort key]]
[21:45:28] <Splarka>	read up
[21:47:53] <darkcode>	I did. <White_Cat> is it posible to use sorted list to sort images?
[21:48:14] <darkcode>	I didn't see any question about hiding the sort key
[21:48:35] <White_Cat>	I want to sort it in a table not via category :P
[21:50:24] <darkcode>	ok
[21:50:55] <darkcode>	maybe the javascript should be updated to be image aware and make use of the alt text for images ;p
[21:58:32] <White_Cat>	darkcode yes
[21:58:35] <White_Cat>	thatd be great
[21:58:38] <White_Cat>	can you do it?
[21:58:42] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r39307 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke_body.php: Remove colon, core message 'deletecomment' has it already.
[22:02:01] <Splarka>	well, it sort of does already but...
[22:02:39] <Splarka>	it isn't very predictable, it looks for the first character outside an html tag
[22:03:48] <Splarka>	which differs depending on whether the image exists, whether it is thumb/frame/none, etc
[22:04:15] <MZMcBride>	We really need a better sort key system.
[22:04:22] <Splarka>	if you use {{sms|}} you're covered
[22:04:26] <MZMcBride>	CSS hackery is fail.
[22:05:15] <White_Cat>	Splarka okay
[22:16:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  wgNamespacesWithSubpages and wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault for Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14992  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:19:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update demonstration WMF config files more regularly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12685  (10N/A)
[22:27:58] <White_Cat>	Splarka
[22:28:00] <White_Cat>	brilliant
[22:28:03] <White_Cat>	works perfectly
[22:28:13] <White_Cat>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat#Bots
[22:29:29] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39308 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUserlogin.php: I really don't like the idea of invalid IPs sending these passwords out
[22:30:58] <Splarka>	yikes, long list
[22:34:19] <Splarka>	heh, what would a disdyakis triacontahedron represent?
[22:35:54] <Prodego>	Why is svn on the wikimedia site anyway?
[22:36:56] <Splarka>	instead of svn.mediawiki.org you mean?
[22:37:00] <Prodego>	yea
[22:38:01] <darkcode>	same reason bugzilla.mediawiki.org redirects to wikimedia probably, should be the other way around
[22:38:22] <Splarka>	well, bugzilla makes sense, half the stuff is for shell requests and server errors
[22:38:31] <Splarka>	(would make more sense to split it, but ahh well)
[22:39:01] <Splarka>	.wikimedia.org seems to have been used as a catch-all for things that aren't project-specific
[22:39:09] <Splarka>	before mediawiki.org was being used, that is
[22:39:39] <Prodego>	well they had mediawiki.org when they switched from cvs to svn, no?
[22:39:53] <Dantman>	^_^ heh svn.mediawiki.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/ repitition?
[22:39:55] <Prodego>	wouldn't have been logical to move to the mediawiki site at that time too
[22:40:37] <Dantman>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/
[22:40:53] <Dantman>	Though, svn also holds pywikipedia and Wikimedia's MySQL alterations
[22:42:01] <Dantman>	What would be nice would be a specific shortcut... where http://svn.mediawiki.org/svnroot/ is actually an alias for http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/
[22:42:06] <Prodego>	pywikipedia isn't that wikipedia specific
[22:42:24] <Dor>	If I limit a namespace to be viewed only by sysops
[22:42:35] <Splarka>	pywikipediabot, heh
[22:42:45] <Dor>	will it be shown to regular users on Special:Recentchanges
[22:42:46] <Dor>	?
[22:42:49] <Prodego>	the name is a bit of misnomer
[22:42:49] <Splarka>	Dor: don't
[22:42:56] <Dor>	?
[22:43:00] <Dor>	don't what?
[22:43:01] <Splarka>	there are a dozen ways that can fail
[22:43:08] <Prodego>	Dor: mediawiki isn't really the best way to hide namespaces
[22:43:17] <Splarka>	don't try to limit namespace viewing
[22:43:23] <Splarka>	we don't support it
[22:43:28] <Splarka>	so we won't help you with it
[22:43:30] <Dantman>	http://svn.mediawiki.org/svnroot/trunk/phase3/
[22:43:37] <Dor>	:(
[22:43:38] <Prodego>	between special:export, recent changes, manually editing diffs
[22:43:48] <Prodego>	there really isn't a way to do it properly
[22:43:50] <Splarka>	export, api, transclusions..
[22:43:56] <Splarka>	render, raw..
[22:43:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clarify the email message for temporary passwords - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14475  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:43:59] <Dantman>	^_^ heh... while we're at it... /vc/ alias for /viewvc/
[22:44:04] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages  <-- see this
[22:44:34] <Dantman>	http://svn.mediawiki.org/vc/trunk/phase3/includes/
[22:44:36] <Splarka>	the only thing supported by the software natively... is restricting viewing of *all* pages -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_all_pages
[22:44:45] <Dantman>	^_^ It nearly fits on a single line
[22:44:54] <Splarka>	but you can create two parallel wikis using the same installation, just create a new LocalSettings.php 
[22:44:58] <Splarka>	!farm
[22:44:58] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[22:45:08] <Splarka>	make one safely read-restricted, one open
[22:45:30] <Dor>	Splarka, I'm only looking for a way to hide it from view and recentchanges
[22:45:37] <Dor>	is there a way to do it without hacking the PHP files?
[22:45:40] <Splarka>	that's kinda useless
[22:45:47] <Prodego>	does it have to be secure?
[22:46:09] <Dantman>	Obsfucation is a waste of time
[22:46:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions#Table_of_common_security_extension_limitations
[22:46:19] <Splarka>	there are extensions but they aren't supported
[22:46:31] <Dor>	Splarka, parhaps but that's what I need
[22:46:31] <Dantman>	^_^ And they commonly get broken in upgrades
[22:46:32] <Dantman>	heh
[22:46:36] <Dor>	is it possible?
[22:47:21] <Prodego>	Dor: it is possible if you don't care that people will on occasion be able to see what you are trying to restrict them from viewing
[22:47:31] <Prodego>	if it needs to be secure, don't use mediawiki
[22:47:36] <Dantman>	And you can almost guarantee some will again... since the permissions system is due for a rewrite
[22:47:51] <Dor>	Prodego, what does that mean?
[22:48:09] <Prodego>	that means there are ways of doing it, but if someone really wants to see it, they will
[22:48:14] <Splarka>	it means they are insecure!
[22:48:16] <Dor>	where else can people look what it is?
[22:48:27] <Splarka>	Dor: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions#Table_of_common_security_extension_limitations
[22:48:27] <Splarka>	read it
[22:48:28] <Dor>	ways regular people will look
[22:48:28] <Alexfusco5>	o.o
[22:48:38] <Prodego>	Splarka's link explains
[22:48:49] <Splarka>	!cms | dor
[22:48:49] --mwbot--	dor: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For was to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[22:49:09] <Dor>	the thing is
[22:49:11] <Alexfusco5>	!secrets | Dor
[22:49:11] --mwbot--	Dor: MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job.
[22:49:18] <Dor>	I GET IT!
[22:49:28] <Dor>	I need a tool with media wiki's comparison tool
[22:49:29] *Alexfusco5 	backs off
[22:49:35] *Alexfusco5 	kicks CIA-56
[22:49:35] <CIA-56>	ow
[22:49:40] *Alexfusco5 	eats CIA-56
[22:49:40] *CIA-56 	tastes crunchy
[22:49:45] *Alexfusco5 	kills CIA-56
[22:49:45] *CIA-56 	dies
[22:49:48] <Splarka>	you mean, mediawiki's diff?
[22:49:49] <Prodego>	Dor: well it is possible you might just want to set up another installation of mediawiki then
[22:49:51] <Dor>	yeahs
[22:49:55] *Alexfusco5 	rubs CIA-56's tummy
[22:49:55] <CIA-56>	*purr*
[22:50:04] <Dor>	Prodego, not a possebility
[22:50:12] <Dor>	possibility*
[22:51:49] <Prodego>	is installing other software a possibility? 
[22:52:24] <Dor>	software other then mediawiki?
[22:52:40] <Prodego>	yes, because this is your warning about trying to hide namespaces in mediawiki:
[22:52:41] <Dor>	if it does not require the use of database, I believe it is
[22:52:43] <Prodego>	"Denying read access should be seen as a "nothing to see here, move along," sort of thing rather than a guarantee of secrecy."
[22:55:11] <Alexfusco5>	Dor: you can just use a different prefix
[22:55:24] <Dor>	Alexfusco5, I know
[22:55:29] <Dor>	but I'm very limited with that
[22:55:34] <Dor>	trust me, not an option.
[22:55:44] <Alexfusco5>	k
[22:56:15] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39309 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: tweak for WMF
[22:57:11] <Dor>	found a way to do it with word 2007 :)
[22:57:17] <Dor>	thanks for your help :)
[22:57:24] <Alexfusco5>	np
[22:59:07] <Splarka>	http://web.archive.org/web/20030806010912/wikipedia.sourceforge.net/  heh
[23:01:47] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39310 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: lax this check a tad and make it more consistent
[23:02:21] <Splarka>	subdomains of wikimedia.org I can find via google:
[23:02:22] <Splarka>	commons incubator meta wikimania2006 wikimania2007 quality wikimania2008 wikimania2009 board chair chapcom comcom grants internal office searchcom spcom tlh wikimania2005 wikimaniateam auditcom otrs-wiki exec donate ganglia stats upload dumps download dvd advisory ticket il nl se rs pl lists bugzilla wm08reg species noc whygive blog sitemap hume funraising svn secure *.planet *.ts *.labs
[23:02:43] <Splarka>	<ref>proof wikimedia.org is the general dump of stuff not related to a specific project</ref>
[23:03:46] <Splarka>	Prodego: so the apparent answer to your original question is "just because"
[23:05:21] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39311 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: 
[23:05:21] <CIA-56>	1) Fix email check to load localizations so it logs properly
[23:05:21] <CIA-56>	2) Disable email logging for now -- violates our present privacy policy by
[23:05:21] <CIA-56>	logging information that we currently say is kept private (email addresses) as
[23:05:21] <CIA-56>	well as information we don't mention but which feel very creepy to log for
[23:05:21] <CIA-56>	checkuser view (subject line of mails and times and targets of private mails)
[23:05:26] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39312 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: further lax moves for patrolling config
[23:06:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on alswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13968  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:08:22] <AaronSchulz>	brion: hmm what if it didn't have the address or subject?
[23:08:49] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39314 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[23:08:49] <CIA-56>	(bug 15157) Special:Watchlist now has the same options as Special:Watchlist:
[23:08:49] <CIA-56>	* Show/Hide logged in users
[23:08:49] <CIA-56>	* Show/Hide anonymous
[23:08:49] <CIA-56>	* Invert namespace selection
[23:08:50] <CIA-56>	* Same ordering of options
[23:08:52] <CIA-56>	Code comments: Toggles added in Preferences, messages added, code ordered as presented in special page
[23:09:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Special:Watchlist look and behave like Special: RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15157  (10siebrand)
[23:09:20] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39313 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: r39299 cleanup -- use " around escaped attributes to be sure
[23:10:23] <brion>	AaronSchulz: simply logging _use_ of private email function is still a _little_ creepy but not nearly as much ;) (comparable to standard mail logs) and can at least show that someone's using it excessively which could have utility
[23:10:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace selection via checkboxes on Special: Watchlist instead of drop down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14658  (10siebrand)
[23:10:40] <AaronSchulz>	brion: ok, I'll tweak
[23:10:56] <slakr>	"Special:Watchlist now has the same options as Special:Watchlist"  <--- phew.  Was worried the universe was collapsing for a second
[23:11:27] <slakr>	:D :P
[23:12:13] <brion>	transitivity is broken! we have entered a world where == has no meaning!
[23:12:16] <brion>	oh wait that's called PHP
[23:12:35] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39315 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser.php): Enabled toned-down email logging
[23:12:38] <AaronSchulz>	brion: better?
[23:13:24] <brion>	AaronSchulz: that's still logging who you're talking to, which is creepy
[23:13:57] <AaronSchulz>	meh, creepy is fine
[23:14:03] <Dantman|Away>	^_^ Is letting extensions hook into link syntax creapy?
[23:14:11] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: -			wfMsgForContent('checkuser-email-action2',$to->name,$from->address) : 
[23:14:29] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: if you delete usage of messages, please also delete the message itself from the i18n file.
[23:14:46] <AaronSchulz>	I deleted the .en one
[23:14:59] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: crap. Ignore that. :)
[23:15:01] <brion>	AaronSchulz: for now i'd prefer to keep the recipient out of the log entirely
[23:16:06] <Splarka>	how about logging people who viewed diffs of the vandal's edits but didn't revert?
[23:16:17] <Splarka>	citizens who do nothing to stop vandalism are aiding it
[23:16:20] <brion>	rofl
[23:16:27] <brion>	good samaritan law...
[23:16:40] <AaronSchulz>	brion: :(
[23:16:52] <AaronSchulz>	I want to tell if it is spamming one user a lot
[23:17:29] <Splarka>	Aaron: how about by generic userID like Special:Block? or an MD5 hash of the userid + email address, so it is findable but not easily
[23:17:51] <Splarka>	then you can see if there are many repeated numbers/strings without giving away their name or addy
[23:17:58] *AaronSchulz 	was about to say that
[23:18:08] <brion>	hrmmmmmf
[23:18:49] <AaronSchulz>	ok, pizza time :)
[23:19:39] <qsheets>	Pizza was last night
[23:19:53] <qsheets>	burger time
[23:20:01] <qsheets>	;)
[23:26:02] <brion>	+	public static function HextoOctet( $ip_hex ) {  ?
[23:26:41] <brion>	+ * Given an unsigned integer, returns an IPv6 address in octet notation
[23:26:41] <brion>	+ * @param $ip integer IP address.
[23:26:42] <brion>	+ * @return string
[23:26:53] <brion>	name and description don't really match :)
[23:26:56] <brion>	and the naming's a little odd
[23:31:47] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39316 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: keep private mail records off pending further discussion
[23:32:45] <VasilievVV>	brion: raising another flame thread on foundation-l? :)
[23:32:56] <brion>	?
[23:33:40] <VasilievVV>	I imagine how much flood will discussion of email logging cause
[23:34:50] <Prodego>	brion: didn't you just update to that?
[23:35:04] <darkcode>	you could even MD5 hash the message sent to see if someone is mass spamming different people
[23:35:08] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39317 10/trunk/phase3/includes/IP.php: update comment
[23:35:17] <Prodego>	oh, didn't notice the time :0
[23:36:02] <AaronSchulz>	brion: how about md5( $username . $userId ) ?
[23:36:44] <Splarka>	note that you can still (IIRC) find userIDs, via Special:Export
[23:37:02] <Splarka>	so someone could build a list of the hashes of most usernames/userids
[23:37:10] <Splarka>	(if they had at least one nondeleted edit)
[23:37:11] <AaronSchulz>	rainbow tables
[23:37:22] <Splarka>	although most checkusers won't go and do that
[23:37:35] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, needs more salt
[23:39:10] <Splarka>	email address of user? email address of sender?
[23:40:06] <AaronSchulz>	if they have one, I suppose it is reasonably constant
[23:40:20] <AaronSchulz>	hmm
[23:40:29] <AaronSchulz>	md5( md5( $username . $userId ) . $privateKey )
[23:40:54] <Splarka>	any checkuser that has the privatekey also has access to the preferences blob? heh
[23:41:16] <AaronSchulz>	the private key could be $wgSecretKey or whatever
[23:41:27] <AaronSchulz>	brion: is that OK?
[23:43:26] <brion>	meh, dunno
[23:43:35] <brion>	just don't turn it on until we've come to a general decision
[23:45:58] <Splarka>	hmm, well, vandal spamming user... if you used both userIDs plus a semirandom but static $salt or whatever.. then you know when one user is spamming another
[23:46:13] <Splarka>	which works across email changes, password changes, user renames...
[23:46:20] <Splarka>	but of course, vandal accounts are transitory
[23:49:02] <Prodego>	you can also get userids from a lot of tools on the toolserver
[23:49:38] <Splarka>	yes yes, so it would need a secret server-side salt or something no checkuser had access to, like one or both userthe email address
[23:49:43] <Splarka>	^user's
[23:51:13] *AaronSchulz 	awaits brion's decision :)
[23:51:50] <twincest>	Splarka: email addresses are hardly secret
[23:52:21] <darkcode>	there is always bruit force for determining someone's email address, just use every combination of userid + whatever until it matches the md5
[23:52:35] <Splarka>	twin: hmm, what would you suggest for a salt along with both userids, then?
[23:52:44] <twincest>	$wgSecretKey
[23:52:52] *AaronSchulz 	already said that
[23:52:55] *Splarka 	nods
[23:53:05] <twincest>	AaronSchulz: it's more true when i say it
[23:53:10] <Splarka>	indeed
[23:53:54] *AaronSchulz 	eyes twincest
[23:53:54] <Splarka>	so would it be more useful with userid + secretkey (all emails to a specific user), or userid + userid + secretkey? (all emails to the user from another specific user)
[23:55:01] <AaronSchulz>	md5( $userId . $wgSecretKey )
[23:55:40] *AaronSchulz 	isn't sure if that name should go in there
[23:55:47] <AaronSchulz>	renames are rare anyway
[23:56:35] <Splarka>	so you could, say "find all users who emailed this user" with that...