[00:01:05] ifs just the username, why bother using md5, could be just something like "Splarka emailed AaronSchulz and brion" or "Email was sent to AaronSchulz by Splarka and brion" [00:01:19] no email address specified [00:01:26] AaronSchulz: for now i'd prefer to keep the recipient out of the log entirely [00:01:33] ^ [00:01:36] creepy factor [00:01:54] I thought it was the email address that was the issue [00:01:58] but it is still desirable to see if a spammer is spamming a hundred users once, or one user a hundred times, I guess [00:02:20] so an md5 that is static per user but unassociable is a semihappy medium [00:02:23] rather then their wiki username [00:02:41] (so would be a number scheme similar to autoblocks, I suppose...?) [00:03:08] Postman_Grawp emailed user #1 571 times [00:03:11] Postman_Grawp emailed user #2 3 times [00:04:13] would the numbers be static? [00:04:31] would #245 from on CU be the same as #245 from another? [00:06:54] Splarka: editing is a public action; CU just provides some identifying information for who's doing it. private emails are a private person-to-person action; we have no provision for listing out who's contacting who at what time in private [00:09:37] indeed [00:10:08] but AA seems to want one ^_^ [00:11:52] It doesn't seem unreasonable to log people using Special:Emailuser (I mean, a lot less unreasnable than say, loggind action=purge, null edits, changes to Special:Preferences, etc) as long as no association is made with the recipient of the emails other than a hash or unassociative number [00:12:22] *nod* prolly yeah [00:12:23] Special:Mycents/2 [00:18:38] brion: so a hash is ok then? [00:20:14] *Splarka rolls magic bri-8 ball.. "More discussion is needed" [00:22:01] :D [00:31:01] *AaronSchulz pokes brion some more [00:35:59] 03aaron * r39322 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser.php): Add disabled function to log password resets (bug 14630) [00:36:14] brion: >:) [00:39:55] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:42:25] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on pt.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14254 (10JSchulz_4587) [00:48:00] brion you around? [00:49:42] 03aaron * r39323 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.i18n.php: tweak message [00:49:56] 03aaron * r39324 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: Hash the user name [00:50:45] 03(FIXED) Log password email reset requests in the CU log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14630 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:51:52] 03(mod) Use of Special:EmailUser should leave an entry on CU tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15103 (10JSchulz_4587) [02:31:14] 03(FIXED) Exclude bot-generated spam reports on meta from indexing via robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14076 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [02:43:42] 03(mod) Username blacklist should affect automatically created accounts with SUL too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14629 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [02:46:18] 03shinjiman * r39325 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese [02:50:29] 03shinjiman * r39326 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [02:50:29] Update the Chinese conversion tables [02:50:29] Last minute changes for the release branch 1.13 [03:36:38] 03(mod) Patch for Java Theora decoder: Computation of quantization matrices according to spec - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15119 (10brion) [03:52:48] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 +comment (10webmaster) [04:10:32] 03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 (10tstarling) [04:15:04] Is there a way to disable the signature/nickname feature (without a hack if possible)? [04:19:05] you mean disable ~~~ and ~~~~ magicwords? (~~~~~ is timestamp, that too?) [04:20:06] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on pt.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14254 (10wikimedia.lestaty) [04:21:24] 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on pt.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14254 (10wikimedia.lestaty) [04:23:11] Splarka: Not really, I mean the setting in My Preferences [04:24:28] what would ~~~/~~~~ do? [04:24:33] only show the default? [04:25:04] Yeah [04:25:34] how do i update the interwiki table so that [[en:Foo]] links to the article instead of being put on the "other languages"? [04:26:02] puzzlet: you can't really [04:26:08] without disassociating en with the language [04:26:30] ok after i dissociate it, what should i do [04:27:03] well, the thing is, if xx: is a registered language code, it is interpreted as an interlang link instead of an interwiki link [04:27:04] wait [04:27:12] ah [04:27:20] I think you'd have to edit Languages.php (bad), but there may be another way [04:27:34] you can also just use [[:en:link]] for inline links [04:27:52] or make a non-language code interwiki prefix, eg english: or somefin [04:28:16] oop, Napes.php [04:28:33] *puzzlet is looking up the list of $wg variables [04:29:39] <[intra]lanman> can anyone tell me an easy way to add a google search to wikimedia 1.8.2? [04:29:55] <[intra]lanman> ...specifically a way that doesn't require hacking the source [04:30:42] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDefaultRobotPolicy [04:31:05] oh, puzzlet, there may be a way... [04:31:54] found it [04:31:57] $customisedOnly is undocumented though [04:32:02] except in the source [04:32:12] $wgInterwikiMagic = false did that [04:32:21] well, then you can't have *any* [04:32:25] you sure you want that? [04:32:51] *Splarka shrugs [04:32:56] so far [04:33:42] it's much like a personal wiki, so when i feel a need for interwiki in the future, then i'll think another solution [04:34:08] well, seems easier to use [[:en:Page]] [04:34:13] IMHO ^_^ [04:34:21] i'm figuring out what $customisedOnly does though [04:34:59] and one more thing [04:35:26] well, looks like it is only used when calling the language name builder instead of a global, bah [04:35:35] is there a way to show some icons instead en: [04:35:36] *Splarka refuse to learns php [04:35:53] has anyone had issues with apache spawning hundreds of processes at random with mediawiki? [04:36:18] a.extiw {background: url() no-repeat top left} maybe [04:36:53] but the parser does give like en:Foo as a text [04:37:07] i wanna get rid of en: [04:37:30] oh, [[:en:foo|foo]] [04:38:04] yeah that's the canonical way.. [04:38:06] Wyvernoid: looks like you'll have to hack, or search for a hook in the right place to override the signature in preferences [05:05:09] 03(NEW) Turn wikilinks different colors depending on a page' s presence on this wiki AND another specified wiki (e.g. Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15159 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (nathanlarson3141) [05:36:36] 03(FIXED) Move edits from one user to another - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14502 +comment (10smihael) [05:38:04] 03(mod) Install ChangeAuthor on Slovenian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14673 (10smihael) [05:39:34] twincest: around now? [05:40:31] 03(mod) Blocking/Permissions Rewrite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14636 (10Andrew) [05:42:14] what's the python equivalent of `which md5`? [05:45:15] heh [05:45:19] import hashlib.md5 [05:46:47] TimStarling: stop solving your own questions [05:46:54] ;) [05:48:30] g'night [05:54:47] afternoon, Tim. [06:13:44] 03(mod) Error with nonexisting interface messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [06:14:26] 03(NEW) An option to disable fancy signature for a user group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15160 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (wyvernoid) [06:21:25] Wyvernoid: you can of course disable unsubst'd transclusions in fancy signatures, doesn't prevent people pasting them manually though [06:21:43] Hmm... how? [06:21:45] $wgCleanSignatures [06:22:19] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCleanSignatures [06:22:26] I mean, even with it, you can make your sig quite long full of and crap [06:22:33] Right... [06:23:22] Anyway, I still think that a usergroup permission would be better [06:23:50] hmm... you might ask for a hook and an extension, that could do the permission check [06:23:56] Allows users who know what they are doing to make use of the feature and (possibly) effectively keeping out those that don't [06:24:47] heh [06:24:48] 03(mod) Preferences for anons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [06:24:54] still simple to add a wgCustomEditButton [06:25:37] I'm not really familiar with hooks/extensions... How will a hook work in this case? [06:26:54] hmm, would be handy if the fancysig check was done before the $wgMaxSigChars check [06:27:05] then you could set $wgMaxSigChars to 1 and prevent any useful fancy sigs, heh [06:29:13] Ohh [06:29:24] (but it isn't, bah) [06:29:55] anyway, you might be able to use the hook SavePreferences [06:30:12] and as the prefs are saved, disable raw signatures or something [06:30:32] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SavePreferences [06:30:59] Hmm... that's inferior to just hiding the signature field for users who aren't supposed to use it at all IMO [06:31:10] and maybe RenderPreferencesForm to disbale the checkbox [06:31:23] then you could do both, for safety [06:31:40] if (the user is allowed to use raw sigs) -> render checkbox [06:31:42] RenderPreferencesForm sounds like it could do the work [06:31:50] I'll check it [06:31:54] if (the user isn't allowed to use raw sigs) -> always uncheck the checkbox [06:32:04] well, you need to check on save too [06:32:07] or people could game the system [06:32:14] simple javascript to insert the checkbox [06:32:40] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks for how to use hooks [06:32:48] Ohh [06:33:25] probably would work to just make the checkbox display:none; if they don't have permission [06:33:37] in RenderPreferencesForm [06:33:45] That would be a long reading... I g2g now [06:33:49] Will see how it goes later [06:33:54] ciao [06:34:35] 03raymond * r39328 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.alias.php: Add a missing special page [06:47:05] Hi, how do I remove the "index.php5?title=" from the URL? [06:47:30] 03(mod) Create a wap mobile gateway for the english wikinews similiar to wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14755 (10bawolff+wn) [06:48:43] proletaire, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL :) [06:49:09] thank you [06:50:02] 03raymond * r39329 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/UnreviewedPages.i18n.php: Add link to the special page [07:25:07] <_wooz> lo [07:41:35] 03(NEW) A generalized conversion engine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15161 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (millosh) [08:20:08] 03aaron * r39330 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Allow one click sighting for diffonly preference (bug 14581) [08:20:19] 03(FIXED) Make UI easier with diff-only preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14581 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [08:28:07] 03aaron * r39331 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: don't show form in this case if not diff-to-stable, otherwise id is bogus [08:38:04] Does anyone need to see the auto-created accounts? And if not, perhaps add the rows but don't have the HTML RecentChanges show them? ... [08:38:12] *MZMcBride goes to sleep. [08:42:31] 03(mod) A generalized conversion engine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15161 (10mohsensalek) [08:52:53] 03tstarling * r39332 10/trunk/release-tools/make-release.sh: A few updates for 1.13. Just for the record before I delete this file. [08:54:37] 03tstarling * r39333 10/trunk/release-tools/ (make-release make-release.sh): New python version of make-release [09:03:24] 03(NEW) Login API doesn't handle throttling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15162 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: API; (maxsem.wiki) [09:07:26] 03aaron * r39334 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: Enabled two hooks after talking to tim as well [09:40:41] 04(REOPENED) Documentation is out of date, incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 +comment (10tstarling) [09:42:08] "Like the Christian concept offreedom from sin, we can only strive to fix bug 1, we can never actually fix it." [09:42:12] :p [09:43:30] well, charitwo and mark clements obviously weren't getting the joke [09:43:51] so I could either explain it to them, or carry it on [09:44:28] but explaining jokes isn't very funny [09:46:33] 03(WONTFIX) Enable ProtectSection on Wikisource websites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4375 (10thomasV1) [10:02:17] Hi, If I don't configure email smtp server manually, will the wiki use the localhose as smtp server? right now, it seems my email function is not working in my wiki [10:03:20] my localhost has 25 port enabled. but wiki doesn't send any email out... [10:04:11] depends on OS [10:05:11] on linux it will try to use sendmail [10:05:21] on windows it will try localhost port 25 [10:07:45] TimStarling, I am using Linux (openSUSE). it has postfix running by default. [10:08:20] TimStarling, sendmail should work in my Linux. I have 25 port opened... [10:09:21] sendmail_path is probably wrong [10:09:34] it was broken here on ubuntu before I configured it [10:10:33] sendmail_path="/usr/sbin/sendmail -f tstarling@wikimedia.org -t" [10:10:34] TimStarling, I am new to sendmail. what is the syntax? sendmail ? let me try if it works. [10:10:36] that's what I have [10:11:38] TimStarling, where to configure sendmail_path? sorry about the silly question. [10:14:49] php.ini [10:14:54] TimStarling: wee, shiny new release script :) [10:14:55] location depends on distribution [10:15:42] you can find it by creating a script called phpinfo.php, containing only [10:15:51] access it from the web, it tells you lots of useful stuff [10:16:32] TimStarling, thanks a lot. I will try that. [10:27:21] is there a guide or a checklist for migrating old mediawiki db that's using some latin1 encoded unicode to proper utf8 ? [11:26:06] hi i've just tried this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_Solution_for_mediawiki-1.12 [11:26:18] but it's not working [11:26:35] i got the following error [11:26:36] The requested URL /Main_Page was not found on this server. [11:26:43] Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. [11:28:53] !rewriteproblems | ganeshjacharya [11:28:53] --mwbot-- ganeshjacharya: 1) Try as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root. [11:30:12] PHP Warning: unserialize(): defined (__autoload) but not found in /var/www/sandwiki/includes/JobQueue.php on line 203 [11:30:18] wth is that supposed to mean? [11:30:33] is there a guide or a checklist for migrating old mediawiki db that's using some latin1 encoded unicode to proper utf8 ? [11:30:50] table/field types are latin1, data seems to be utf8, but re-importing it as utf fails... [11:31:28] Richlv: there are some messy writeups on meta. but, well, it depends on a lot of things [11:32:02] Richlv: how old are th dbs? if they are from mediawiki 1.5 or newer, they are utf8, never mind the charset declaration [11:32:27] Duesentrieb, 1.5.6 [11:32:36] and the data indeed looks like utf8 [11:32:39] then it's utf8. [11:32:52] do you still have it in the server, or only as a dump? [11:33:08] Duesentrieb, i have the dump, but the server is operating as well (not maintained by me) [11:33:17] i could get another dump, though, if needed [11:33:20] the problem is that mysql likes to do automatic charset conversions. which often screws things up [11:33:35] well... if the dump has valid utf8, it should be fine [11:33:47] most often, the screwup happens on export [11:33:48] 03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 (10agony79) [11:34:18] Duesentrieb, i tried changing latin1 instances in the dump to utf8, but that failed to import [11:34:41] what would be the best way to handle full conversion to utf8 ? [11:34:42] don't do that [11:34:51] there's nothing to convert [11:34:59] it *is* utf8 [11:35:18] Right now the files are in the root directory of my host. [11:35:28] ganeshjacharya: fix that then [11:35:37] what shd be done? [11:35:39] Richlv: what happens if you simply import the dumps as they are? [11:35:47] ganeshjacharya: follow the instructions? [11:35:50] move the files to websitename.com/wiki [11:35:51] ? [11:35:59] Duesentrieb, it imports (though some things like templates aren't working) [11:36:20] but the dump contains stuff like '`ar_title` varchar(255) character set latin1' [11:36:25] can't this mess up things later ? [11:36:32] ganeshjacharya: you need TWO pathes. a real directory for the actual files, and a virtual path for the pages. the pathesmust be DIFFERENT. [11:36:47] ganeshjacharya: what you call them doesn't matter, but usually you use /w for the files and /wiki for the pages [11:37:22] Richlv: it shouldn't. it's actually the way mediawiki handles this per default. [11:38:20] Richlv: actually, the declarations should include a binary flag somewhere - the thing is that mysql's unicode support is broken - so mediawiki uses binary. but mysql insists on calling it latin1 anyway. don't ask me, it's confusing. just import and look if all characters come through ok. [11:39:08] Duesentrieb, even latest mysql versions have that problem ? [11:39:18] Richlv: yes. [11:39:43] bah. ok then, thanks :) [11:39:49] Richlv: mysql does not support 4-byte utf8 codes. they are rarely used, but when they show up, they'd break the wiki horribly. [11:39:54] is there a step by step install instruction? [11:39:55] now we just have to migrate that 1.5.6 to the latest mediawiki... [11:39:57] ? [11:40:25] ganeshjacharya: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access should work, no? [11:41:09] ganeshjacharya: basic installation is described here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide [11:41:12] the thing is I downloaded the wiki installation at my public/ folder [11:41:13] but you already got that, i suppose [11:41:17] and extracted that [11:41:21] and then installed it [11:41:29] 03(NEW) Select box layout messy in Special:ProtectedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15163 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [11:41:31] so move it and install again [11:41:38] or fix the pathes manually [11:41:39] i then moved the extracted content to / [11:41:44] and installed [11:41:48] yes. bad idea [11:42:49] Richlv: once you have a proper 1.5 database imported, just runnign the 1.12 or 1.13 installer should work fine. it should upgrade the database automatically. [11:44:05] Duesentrieb, thanks, will attempt that, after i figure out where the templates went :) [11:44:09] maybe path issue [11:44:22] "templates"? [11:44:37] you mean, pages in the Template: namespace? [11:44:51] oh, btw, make sure the content language is correct [11:44:58] otherwise, lots of links will break [11:45:03] dear this does not discuss http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki#Prepare_the_Directories w/ and wiki/ [11:45:21] the w/ and wiki/ thing you are mentioning [11:45:33] Duesentrieb, yes, those pages. now, what's "content language" ? =) [11:46:05] the primary language of your wiki. used to determin the name of namespaces, for instance [11:46:14] you choose it during install [11:46:25] it's defined by wgLang in your LocalSettings. [11:46:33] a-ha. well, most links work [11:46:39] sorry, $wgLanguageCode [11:46:54] links to other namespaces are the problem [11:47:01] main namspeace will of course work [11:47:03] that one is "en" [11:47:13] 03(mod) Entering Croatian characters produces errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15058 (10radoslav.dejanovic) [11:47:22] and... was it "en" for the wiki you created the dump from? [11:47:42] hi.. [11:47:45] (hm... shouldn't effect {{templates}} either way... but still) [11:47:46] the manual http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki#Prepare_the_Directories [11:47:58] does not mention anything about the wiki/ and w/ thing [11:48:07] Duesentrieb, i also got full compressed mediawiki directory, which i am using, so - yes :) [11:48:18] i'm just trying to get it running locally like it was remotely [11:48:19] then that's not the problem [11:48:31] and only then attempt the upgrade [11:48:34] templates should work... check if the actual pages are there [11:48:39] ? [11:48:48] Duesentrieb, opening the link shows that there is no content [11:48:53] yes had lost connection [11:49:27] ganeshjacharya1: yes, it does not tell you where to install it. i'll add that. [11:49:33] ok [11:49:52] ah, i reimported the db, it seems that fixed templates [11:49:58] Richlv: well... what can i say... then they ain't there :) [11:49:59] i guess i had some semi-converted version then =) [11:50:04] o_O [11:50:06] ugh :) [11:50:25] yes, now the only broken links seem to be the ones that are broken in the original as well :D [11:50:47] huge thanks for the explanation on latin1 thing, i thought it's an artifact from old times [11:54:40] 03(mod) Patch for Java Theora decoder: Computation of quantization matrices according to spec - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15119 (10maikmerten) [11:57:34] Richlv: if you had been using 1.4, you would have been right about that :) [11:57:37] anyway, gotta run. [11:58:41] Duesentrieb, hehe, that would be quite old. thanks again :) [12:16:26] how can i make my wiki super Search engine friendly or rather optimize my wiki to d core? any docs? [12:19:02] !help [12:19:02] --mwbot-- Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html > [12:30:26] 03(NEW) Using namespace prefix (ns:) in redirects breaks automatic redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15164 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (yury.tarasievich) [12:51:30] 03(mod) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special: DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147 +comment (10huji.huji) [12:53:18] 03(mod) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special: DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147 +comment (10innocentkiller) [12:53:21] 03(mod) Add rd_interwiki colum to redirect table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14418 (10innocentkiller) [12:57:59] any hints on converting a table in mysql output format into a MW fomat table? (other than 'use Perl')? [12:58:16] and other than 'install an extension that allows you to query...' [12:58:39] will ooffice calc export in MW format? [12:59:31] hello, short question - http://www.rcheliwiki.com/Align_T-Rex_450SE_V2 why is electric shown with pre? if i move it anywhere else it's show normally, only if i use two templates consecutively does this pop up [13:03:32] kitsched: guess without looking: leading whitespace in a template [13:03:48] or maybe an empty line at the end of the first template [13:04:07] 03huji * r39335 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations [13:04:10] not likely but i'm checking [13:04:14] I fixe it for you [13:04:27] Duesentrieb: the latter [13:04:41] kitsched: I edited 450 [13:05:11] kitsched: you were confused because with all the includonly / noincludes you missed the big newline right there [13:05:22] many thanks [13:05:30] still a blank line at the end, but that may not be a problem [13:05:31] just put my cheque in the post [13:05:47] blanks from templates are quite confusing, especially when includeonly/noinclude is involved [13:05:51] Duesentrieb: I guess it isn't [13:05:58] yea [13:06:01] (a problem) [13:06:15] *faceface goes to use perl [13:23:07] in mw1.7, why would my sysop edits on appear in Recent Changes when 'Show Bots' is selected? [13:23:27] s/on/only [13:28:02] in year 2004... why would anybody remember anything from that time [13:30:05] wmat: because "show bots" doesn't mean "show bots only", but "don't hide bots". [13:30:24] 03(mod) Error with nonexisting interface messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531 (10shaiaquanature) [13:31:44] Duesentrieb: so sysop edits are considered bot edits? [13:31:56] no, why would they? [13:32:00] Hi, is there a checkuser right available without the extension? [13:32:07] there's no mode for "show ONLY bot edits" [13:32:22] Duesentrieb: because they only appear in Recent Changes when I click Show Bots [13:32:33] Guido_: you can define any right you like, but it wouldn't do anything without the extension. [13:32:55] OK, I thought so. Thanks [13:32:58] wmat: oh, they *only* appear then? that's quite odd :) maybe your sysop account does have the bot flag set accidentally? [13:33:35] Duesentrieb: can that be set in the GUI? [13:33:43] yes [13:33:55] *wmat looks [13:34:04] uh... don't remember how in 1.17 [13:34:07] err, 1.7 [13:34:18] but you can check for it on Special:Listusers [13:34:21] by listing only bots [13:34:37] Special:Userrights would do it, isuppose [13:34:56] Duesentrieb: thx! my sysop user was a member of the Bots group [13:37:02] hehe... not a good idea... [13:37:16] lesson learned [13:44:05] 03(mod) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special: DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147 (10mediawiki) [13:44:39] 03(mod) Double redirects to anchors are displayed wrong on Special: DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15147 (10mediawiki) [13:47:12] 03huji * r39336 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: Allowing localization of the numbers of attached/unattached accounts. [13:55:46] 03purodha * r39337 10/trunk/extensions/ImportUsers/SpecialImportUsers.i18n.php: Link to special page added to extension description. [14:03:50] 03rotem * r39338 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he. [14:15:40] 03tstarling * r39339 10/trunk/release-tools/ (LocalSettings.in upgradeTest.py): [14:15:40] * Nicer output [14:15:40] * Don't flood the output with E_STRICT errors from old versions of MW [14:21:38] basic quesiton : if you hook want something like fnMyHook($file, $oldimage, $article, $user, $reason) ; if you don't uses the parametres is it a problem if your function is just fnMyHook() ? [14:21:49] I saw other extensions doing things like that, but I'd prefer a confirmation :) [14:22:40] it'd be especially helpful is several hooks call that function :3 [14:27:06] ('' ) [14:27:07] ( '') [14:28:47] <^demon|away> Before I run off: DarkoNeko: Different hooks pass different parameters. You'll need to read up the documentation on each hook. Most likely, you won't be able to reuse a function across different hooks (ie: a hook function UserLoginComplete won't work for ArticleSaveComplete) [14:29:26] DarkoNeko, you could if you wanted. [14:29:37] okay, thanks [14:29:38] PHP doesn't mind if more parameters are passed than the function accepts. [14:29:45] Only if less are than it requires. [14:30:14] ^demon|away i my case, it's calling an external lsearch unfciotn to update the search engine each time somebody edit/delete/move a page [14:30:24] function [14:30:58] Simetrical ah, that's great :) making redirect functions for 7 hooks isn't exactly thrilling [14:31:23] 03tstarling * r39340 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): Updates for 1.13.0 [14:31:44] is it possible to upgrade from version 1.7.1 straight to 1.12.0? [14:32:00] yes [14:32:12] great, thx [14:32:14] but you should wait a few minutes, I'm about to release 1.13.0 [14:32:32] heh, even better [14:33:49] *Duesentrieb would install 1.12 and wait a week or so to see if 1.13.1 will come along [14:35:27] pessimist [14:35:52] wmat if you have extensions like parserfunction, they won't work with the new versions (need to reainstall them wit hthe new code) [14:36:28] well, yes, you should always upgrade the extensions along with the wiki [14:36:39] DarkoNeko: thx, luckily I only use 2 small extensions [14:36:57] 03tstarling * r39341 10/tags/REL1_13_0/: Tagging for release 1.13.0 [14:37:23] *DarkoNeko shakes an angry fist and curses OAIRepository [14:38:51] 03(mod) Preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14602 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [14:39:18] TimStarling, why def main() instead of just making that the body of the file? [14:39:39] convention [14:41:25] convention has it that you use: if __name__ == '__main__': main() [14:41:39] but it's not hard to add that if need be [14:42:51] Isn't the convention in scripting languages that you just put main() in the body with no function declaration? I've only ever seen main() functions in C. [14:43:07] why is there a 'all' option for 'from month'? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/w/index.php?title=Toolserver/New_accounts&limit=500&action=history [14:43:14] surely, it is identical to 'December'? [14:43:36] it's not a scripting language convention, it's a python convention [14:43:59] Hmm, okay. [14:44:04] i think the reason behind python's thing is that it lets you import the script [14:44:08] without executing the code [14:44:52] Well, in this case the last line of the file is "main()", so . . . [14:46:12] like I said, that can be changed pretty easily [14:46:32] it should be: if __name__ == '__main__': main() [14:46:42] but changing that is easier than changing the whole file [14:59:37] <^demon> siebrand: In Re: to your e-mail. It's a tracking bug. [15:00:21] ^demon: what's the use of a tracking bug that's open for 2 months without any tracking? "Pollution"/"Opened premarturely"... [15:00:28] (afk btw) [15:01:34] <^demon> siebrand: True, just fixed. [15:01:35] 06(LATER) PHP 6 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14504 (10innocentkiller) [15:06:26] 03aaron * r39342 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add explanatory notice (bug 14557) [15:06:35] 03(FIXED) Image, category pages list both draft and stable links, mixed together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [15:14:03] 03aaron * r39343 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: tweak margin [15:18:55] *Simetrical isn't sure whether to parse "innocentkiller" as "killer who is innocent" or "killer of innocents" [15:19:08] *Simetrical supposes the latter, given the alternative name "^demon" [15:19:45] <^demon> Whichever seems less maniacal? [15:20:10] Less or more? [15:20:15] <^demon> Less ;-) [15:21:19] Zarro Boogs found \o/ [15:21:21] The name "demon" lends itself to seeming maniacal. [15:22:39] <^demon> I'm remarkably sane :-) [15:26:57] O RLY? [15:27:46] <^demon> yarly. [15:30:50] *Simetrical wonders how the last two releases have said MediaWiki uses "quarterly snapshot releases" with a straight face [15:32:03] *siebrand kicks Simetrical. [15:32:10] *Simetrical bites siebrand [15:32:20] *^demon watches both and laughs [15:32:22] Simetrical: do not question that. There is consensus about it. It must be true. [15:32:39] <^demon> Quarterly is subjective :-D [15:32:53] quarts of what? [15:32:59] <^demon> Exactly. [15:33:03] ^demon: and relative [15:33:26] <^demon> I propose 1.14 be released in 2.5 years....quarter of a decade from now :-) [15:33:58] *siebrand congratulates TimStarling on the release of MediaWiki 1.13 and thanks and congratulates everyone who helped in making it happen. [15:35:16] :) [15:35:51] <^demon> :-) [15:35:59] 03(NEW) Install the Babel extension on sv.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15165 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (max.sonnelid) [15:36:47] 03(mod) Install the Babel extension on sv.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15165 +shell (10innocentkiller) [15:41:17] did you like the bit about the extra messages? [15:45:16] what extra messages? [15:48:13] siebrand wanted me to mention i18n in the release announcement [15:48:30]