[00:02:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ArbCom Wiki request for nl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12962  (10cbrown1023)
[00:10:42] <CIA-56>	03guyvdb * r39563 10/branches/visual_diff/phase3/ (103 files in 13 dirs): Merge with trunk
[00:12:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on dewiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13969   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[00:16:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Protect tags from being removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13966  +comment (10siebrand)
[00:16:45] <CIA-56>	03guyvdb * r39564 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php Diff.php DifferenceEngine.php HTMLDiff.php): Performance improvements to diff algorithms
[00:16:45] <White_Cat_Zzz>	Mike_lifeguard wtf?
[00:16:52] <White_Cat_Zzz>	I said I could be confusing usernames
[00:16:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	lc2 is not a troll, but you are becoming one
[00:16:59] <White_Cat_Zzz>	there is a resident troll on that channel
[00:17:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on alswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13968   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[00:19:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Export should have an option to export with the sites license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14048  (10bredtape)
[00:20:29] <techdude20078>	Mike
[00:20:31] <techdude20078>	sorry about that
[00:20:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUserlogin. php only save settings if there is a change in rememberpassword - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13963   +testme; +comment (10siebrand)
[00:21:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) editing section 0 of an empty page gives no such section error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14005  +comment (10cbm)
[00:21:41] <carl-m>	siebrand: I wasn't clear enough in the report for that bug; see it in action at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:CBM/Empty&action=edit&section=0
[00:22:30] <siebrand>	carl-m: heh, that's interesting :)
[00:22:55] <siebrand>	carl-m: please add that URL to the report. (I can't fix it, just tested it)
[00:23:09] <carl-m>	I did add the URl to the report, and a longer explanation
[00:23:46] <siebrand>	carl-m: yep, quite clear. Thank you.
[00:24:25] <techdude20078>	where did Mike go?
[00:24:36] <techdude20078>	does anyone know how to replicate WikiBooks?
[00:24:43] <techdude20078>	i like their structure
[00:27:23] <techdude20078>	anyone?
[00:27:33] <Schroeder3>	what
[00:27:38] <Schroeder3>	do
[00:27:38] <Schroeder3>	you
[00:27:38] <Schroeder3>	mean
[00:27:38] <Schroeder3>	?
[00:28:28] <techdude20078>	well i like how they go wikibooks.org/Book/Chapter/Page
[00:28:33] <techdude20078>	how do I do that in Wikipedia?
[00:28:48] <techdude20078>	*MediaWiki
[00:29:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937   +need-review +patch; +comment (10siebrand)
[00:32:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  (10charitwo)
[00:34:11] <Schroeder3>	techdude2007: just enable subpages...
[00:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ability to make breaks in the edit toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14121  +comment (10mediawiki)
[00:46:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  +comment (10dev)
[00:53:03] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39565 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.i18n.php CheckUser_body.php): some form improvements
[01:05:58] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180  +comment (10tathagata.dasgupta)
[01:10:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) semi-autopatroll - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14016  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[01:17:07] <^demon>	Dantman: Replied to your facebook message. But I guess that answers the question ;-)
[01:17:18] <Dantman>	Oh, heh...
[01:27:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching for IP Addresses in page content unsuccessful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15027  +comment (10tathagata.dasgupta)
[01:28:18] <^demon>	Dantman: Hehe, fun description. It's all about networking these days :-)
[01:28:57] <Dantman>	Even though I do despise facebook... do we have some sort of MW developers group?
[01:29:05] <^demon>	I doubt it.
[01:29:26] <^demon>	Ah, I was wrong.
[01:29:30] <Dantman>	heh
[02:34:54] <Schroeder2>	DEATHMATCH: Michael Phelps and Chuck Norris...who wins?
[02:36:09] *AaronSchulz 	grumbes
[02:36:37] <Charitwo>	apparently AaronSchulz lost the deathmatch bet on phelps
[02:36:46] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39566 10/trunk/phase3/profileinfo.php: disable compression
[02:36:52] <AaronSchulz>	parser keeps running out of memory
[02:36:58] <AaronSchulz>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 104857600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 112521 bytes) in C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\includes\parser\Parser.php on line 385
[02:39:36] <Dantman>	ouch... MW's handling of ''s doesn't look that great
[02:40:12] <AaronSchulz>	1.13rc works
[02:40:24] <Dantman>	Broken case: '''Foo''' bar '''Baz'' (Missing ' on the end)
[02:42:26] <Dantman>	Leads to <b>Foo'<i>bar</b>Baz</i> (Mind that MW at least acts XHTML valid, this sniplet is just a set of markers)
[02:43:14] <Dantman>	For a broken case like this it should actually result in: <b>Foo</b> bar '<i>Baz</i>
[02:44:22] <Dantman>	AaronSchulz: Trunk is broken?
[02:45:36] <Dantman>	What part of the parser is 385 for you?
[02:50:28] <AaronSchulz>	some preg_replace
[02:50:36] <AaronSchulz>	bug if I bypass it is just dies elsewhere
[02:51:26] <AaronSchulz>	*but
[02:58:56] <Smaug>	should I use the current trunk version of Parser Functions with 1.13.0, or is there a branch of the extension for it?
[02:59:44] <AaronSchulz>	there is a 1.13 version
[03:00:25] <Smaug>	okay. i'm assuming it's the one at http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_13/extensions/ParserFunctions/?
[03:00:42] <Smaug>	(found by implication from the 1.12 branch link)
[03:01:46] <Smaug>	also ty
[03:05:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add enwiki Deletion Review subpages to robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15220 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mrzmanwiki)
[03:14:05] <Xiong>	i'd appreciate, very much, if anyone was to look at this template
[03:14:08] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/User:Bear/navbox
[03:14:25] <Xiong>	i have done some funny stuff in it, which does appear to work
[03:14:30] <Xiong>	but i lack confidence
[03:14:53] <Xiong>	you are welcome to poke around using test account 'test', no pw
[03:17:18] <Xiong>	please tell me if you think it fails any test of good execution or judgement
[03:21:49] <Xiong>	hello Soxred93
[03:21:55] <Soxred93>	Hello
[03:22:14] <Dantman>	Xiong: What funny stuff have you done that you think might break?
[03:22:42] <Xiong>	'think' may be too strong
[03:22:48] <Xiong>	i 'think' it works
[03:22:55] <Xiong>	but i lack confidence
[03:23:05] <Xiong>	way too many parserfunctions in one place
[03:23:13] <Xiong>	at least they're not nested
[03:23:21] <Xiong>	this is not really sophisticated
[03:23:59] <Xiong>	i just know i have a habit of concentrating so hard on the 'trees' that the 'forest' gets completely lost to view
[03:24:17] <Xiong>	if i've done something stupid, it's probably big and obvious
[03:24:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category page listings have unbalanced columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900  +comment (10bugs)
[03:25:06] <Dantman>	Oh, ya...
[03:25:08] <AaronSchulz>	Exception caught inside exception handler: exception 'MWException' with message 'Magic word not found' in C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\languages\Language.php:1692
[03:25:12] *AaronSchulz 	sighs
[03:25:13] <Xiong>	or just as likely, it *does* work but i've gone about it in a completely roundabout way
[03:25:17] <Dantman>	Xiong: ;) Whitespace gets stripped
[03:25:47] <Dantman>	You need a <nowiki /> inside of those pfuncs using a * list to make sure that the \n does not get removed thus breaking the list
[03:25:49] <Xiong>	um, *some* whitespace gets stripped -- i'm not quite sure which
[03:26:01] <Dantman>	All whitespace at the start and end
[03:26:23] <Dantman>	To avoid start/end whitespace getting stripped you use a <nowiki /> to halt the stripping at that tag
[03:26:43] <Xiong>	i'm getting a whiff of your meaning
[03:26:43] <Dantman>	{{#if:foo|<nowiki />\n* Item}}
[03:26:52] <Xiong>	ah
[03:27:14] <Xiong>	yet this stripping is not actually occurring when i use it
[03:27:25] <Dantman>	Yuck... something broken?
[03:28:26] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Playground_Pythagoras
[03:28:35] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Circumscribed_Trapezoid
[03:28:39] <Xiong>	two test cases
[03:28:45] <Xiong>	one simple, one complex
[03:28:51] <Xiong>	both seem to work okay
[03:28:56] *AaronSchulz 	disables all extensions
[03:28:57] <AaronSchulz>	Original exception: exception 'MWException' with message 'Magic word not found' in C:\Server\xampp\htdocs\MW\languages\Language.php:1692
[03:29:12] <AaronSchulz>	Dantman: ok, now this is just getting annoying
[03:29:27] <Xiong>	MediaWiki  1.12.0 -- ParserFunctions (Version 1.1.1)
[03:30:16] <Xiong>	i have never seen \n work, or even documented before
[03:30:19] <Dantman>	AaronSchulz: Backtrace? Normally that exception also outputs the name
[03:30:24] <Xiong>	this afternoon, i was begging for such a feature
[03:30:44] <Xiong>	i thought it a complete fantasy
[03:30:48] <Dantman>	Xiong: \n is just a technical bit we use here in IRC because this is single line chat
[03:30:50] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39567 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: be more specific in error
[03:30:57] <Xiong>	oh
[03:30:59] <AaronSchulz>	'Magic word 'index' not found' 
[03:31:11] <Xiong>	i thought you'd actually implemented it ;(
[03:31:13] <Dantman>	It's used in programming because strings are meant to be kept to single lines...
[03:31:23] <Xiong>	yah well i use that in perl
[03:31:24] <Dantman>	In WikiText it serves little use
[03:31:35] <Xiong>	oh i would love it in markup
[03:31:45] <Dantman>	;) And would break piles of discussions
[03:32:00] <Xiong>	and the ability to ignore all actual real whitespace
[03:32:16] <Xiong>	then i could break my template markup into readable chunks
[03:33:24] <Xiong>	so, does <nowiki /> *protect* the following newline or does it *force* one?
[03:34:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) media wiki forgets your logged in. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11198  +comment (10rlane32)
[03:34:21] <Xiong>	that is, would throwing it into the middle of a pf, without a following newline, force a rendered newline?
[03:35:42] <Xiong>	i'm afraid docs are silent on this
[03:35:52] <Xiong>	perhaps i should edit them?
[03:36:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide Radius Authentication Plugin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8891  +comment (10rlane32)
[03:36:39] <Dantman>	It's a protect
[03:36:46] <Xiong>	k
[03:37:05] <Xiong>	is that mentioned somewhere i haven't noticed? otherwise, i really would like to doc it
[03:37:25] <Dantman>	The nowiki creates a nowiki uniq tag with no content... because of that in the text the trimming functions stop at that point instead of continuing
[03:37:40] <Xiong>	even tho i don't seem to need it -- if you say it *should* mess up without it, it probably *will*, sooner or later
[03:38:00] <Dantman>	;) Ya, like when you update to a pfuncs combination that isn't broken
[03:38:16] <Xiong>	ah, my downrev
[03:38:28] <Xiong>	just installed it about 6 weeks ago
[03:38:38] <Xiong>	the paint's not even scratched
[03:38:49] <Xiong>	the ashtrays aren't half full
[03:40:13] <Xiong>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help%3ANewlines_and_spaces#Template_with_newline_called_inside_parser_function
[03:40:24] <Xiong>	mention of the problem, no mention of the fix
[03:40:30] *Xiong 	edits
[03:56:51] <CIA-56>	03dantman * r39568 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php parser/Parser_LinkHooks.php): 
[03:56:51] <CIA-56>	Create a placeholder for the LinkHook experimentation.
[03:56:51] <CIA-56>	This will allow us to develop a new method of parsing links (non-hacky), without breaking current syntax, and also allow us to make sure new methods don't break syntax.
[03:56:51] <CIA-56>	Currently this class merely inherits from the Parser class. Constants and static functions are coppied so that use of self:: won't break when we modify things.
[03:57:40] <CIA-56>	03stipe * r39569 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js: fixed order of initialization for cases when plugin already loaded, fixed _this changing for embedVideo elements in the middle of initialization
[04:04:01] <Lady_Aleena>	Can someone here add the follow to the common css...
[04:04:01] <Lady_Aleena>	table.wikitable table {border:none;}
[04:04:30] <Lady_Aleena>	That way templates would display correctly when displayed in a wikitable, I think.
[04:09:11] <Splarka>	Lady_Aleena: nothing to do with mediawiki
[04:09:21] <Lady_Aleena>	Really?
[04:09:24] <Splarka>	you want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css
[04:11:57] <Lady_Aleena>	I was hoping for a quick fix...but I will go there instead.
[04:12:32] <Splarka>	um
[04:12:58] <Splarka>	asking for a change to the common/shared.css would take probably days of discussion, pending review, and wait for the scap
[04:13:07] <Splarka>	a change to Common.css would take seconds 
[04:13:17] <Splarka>	which is the 'quick fix' in your definition?
[04:13:19] <Xiong>	Dantman: done editing, see:
[04:13:22] <Xiong>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help%3ANewlines_and_spaces#Template_with_newline_called_inside_parser_function
[04:13:46] <Xiong>	ah, but it doesn't seem to make a difference
[04:13:58] <Xiong>	i'm going to leave it and let the code catch up to the doc
[04:25:35] <Xiong>	i *must* be a Real Programmer
[04:25:40] <Xiong>	i got the test backwards
[04:35:50] <AaronSchulz>	ok, killed some fucked up jobs
[04:35:53] <AaronSchulz>	working now
[04:40:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image maps fail to scroll in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126  (10michael.daly)
[04:46:31] <Xiong>	i must be a total dork
[04:46:49] <Xiong>	i also forgot about 30% of the required markup
[04:47:58] <Xiong>	i'm a genius
[04:48:00] <Xiong>	it works
[05:04:48] <Charitwo>	Splarka: i suppose there's no way to embed a <script> flash movie in a wiki article, right?
[05:06:03] <Xiong>	no offense but i hope not
[05:06:44] <Xiong>	maybe i'm just missing the boat on that, sorry
[05:07:06] <Charitwo>	Well, I'm trying to replicate the movie at http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/topics/special/080818.html in a wiki article, but i guess it doesn't work unless I rip it over to youtube
[05:07:14] <Charitwo>	but that probably wont fly with Square Enix
[05:07:31] *Splarka 	shudders
[05:07:43] <Xiong>	i'm feeling so old
[05:08:02] <Xiong>	i remember when, if you wanted to watch a movie, you had to turn on the teevee and let it warm up
[05:27:15] <Werdna>	Charitwo: of course it doesn't work on wikimedia
[05:43:00] <_wooz>	lo
[05:50:17] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39570 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: profile out
[05:51:57] <_mary_kate_>	Charitwo: much like javascript, flash can't be safely embedded, unless a trusted user could somehow define a set of safe objects
[05:52:36] <Charitwo>	I just ended up turning it into a youtube video, seems the best way.
[05:59:06] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39571 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: fix broken profiling
[06:08:32] <Flamelor>	hi guys!
[06:08:32] <Flamelor>	i've got a problem! i tried to "install" a xml-dump-file from wikipedia.
[06:08:32] <Flamelor>	so at first i run the /config/index.php an copied the localsettings-file into the root direction.
[06:09:06] <Flamelor>	then i'd run mwdumper.jar, as i was told on wikipedia.de
[06:09:52] <Flamelor>	i used the same database - or i tried to - and never used a tableprefix
[06:10:39] <Flamelor>	but after i did run the mwdumper, there was no change in the tables of my database
[06:10:52] <Flamelor>	what did i done wrong?
[06:13:09] <Flamelor>	further details: My OS is Ubuntu and i am from germany :D
[06:13:32] <Werdna>	I don't know anything about mwdumper :)
[06:18:27] <Flamelor>	:(
[06:22:46] <Xiong>	oh foo
[06:23:14] <Xiong>	please tell me again, how do i create a link to "Editing this page..."?
[06:23:20] <Xiong>	must i use external link format?
[06:23:48] <Splarka>	{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}}
[06:23:49] <Xiong>	or was there a clever internal link syntax that dribbled away from me
[06:23:56] <Xiong>	thank you very much
[06:23:59] <Splarka>	external
[06:24:04] <Splarka>	although...action paths...
[06:24:21] <Xiong>	oh yeh
[06:24:49] <Xiong>	that won't work anyway; i want to create an editing link from another page, different from the target
[06:25:38] <Xiong>	as in, dunno, [[Meta:Sandbox&edit|try this]]
[06:26:11] <Xiong>	[http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Sandbox&action=edit try this]
[06:26:19] <Xiong>	no shortcut eh?
[06:26:30] <Splarka>	well, sure
[06:26:38] <Splarka>	{{fullurl:Meta:Sandbox|action=edit}}
[06:26:57] <Splarka>	but that wasn't what you asked for anyway
[06:27:09] <Xiong>	um
[06:27:16] <Splarka>	"Editing this page..."? <-- unless you mean 'some other random page' by 'this'
[06:27:46] <Xiong>	damn metalanguage gets in the way every time, any project, sorry
[06:27:51] <Splarka>	heh
[06:27:59] <Splarka>	well yes
[06:28:06] <Splarka>	if you have interwiki links set up
[06:28:17] <Splarka>	then that will work, to a certain degree
[06:28:47] <Splarka>	if you don't have interwiki links set up, then you have to use external link syntax to even *link* to these projects, much less link to edit pages
[06:28:59] <Xiong>	"Editing <-(literal) this page... <-(placeholder)" <-(displayed title of page i want)
[06:29:19] <Splarka>	okay, so try this on wikipedia somewhere in preview:
[06:29:19] <Splarka>	{{fullurl:mw:Sandbox|action=edit}}
[06:29:26] <Splarka>	that links to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox?action=edit
[06:29:28] <Werdna>	You mean, "Editing $title"?
[06:29:31] <Xiong>	oh i don't want it interwiki
[06:29:37] <Splarka>	...
[06:29:50] <Xiong>	this is for helpspace, i want it maximally portable
[06:29:58] <Werdna>	He means a syntax like [[edit:Page]]
[06:30:01] <Splarka>	"any project" <-- meaning?
[06:30:06] <Xiong>	so, fullurl and external link syntax
[06:30:17] <Xiong>	i want this, exactly, werdna:
[06:30:18] <Splarka>	well, sorta
[06:30:24] <Xiong>	as in, dunno, [[Meta:Sandbox&edit|try this]]
[06:30:32] <Splarka>	you can't do that
[06:30:36] <Werdna>	Xiong: what if there was a page called Sandbox&edit?
[06:30:47] <Xiong>	except i do know, now that i've seen it
[06:31:06] <Xiong>	well, what if there were a page called MyPipe|
[06:31:09] <Xiong>	?
[06:31:23] <Splarka>	pipes aren't allowed ^_^
[06:31:39] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions)
[06:31:46] <Xiong>	well i don't want to add another reason for pipes
[06:31:57] <Werdna>	Xiong: pipes aren't allowed in page titles.
[06:32:15] <Xiong>	so no go for [[Sandbox|edit]] -- no matter how you slice it
[06:32:36] <Xiong>	are there any printable ascii chars left?
[06:32:47] <Xiong>	did nobody think to hold out an escape char?
[06:32:48] <Dantman>	[[Sandbox<action=edit>|display]]
[06:32:59] <Werdna>	Dantman: is < allowed in page titles?
[06:33:08] <Dantman>	^_^ Fwir no
[06:33:11] <Xiong>	Dantman: you are pranging me and i love you for it
[06:33:23] <Werdna>	indeed 'tisn't.
[06:33:24] <Xiong>	because you remember my last rant against <>
[06:33:30] <Dantman>	http://sandbox.wiki-tools.com/wiki/Foo%3Cbar%3E
[06:34:21] <Dantman>	Huh? last rant?
[06:34:47] <Xiong>	well if you missed it i won't embarass myself by repeating it
[06:35:15] <Xiong>	your last link came up bad title
[06:35:20] <Splarka>	aaaaaaaanyway. local: [[foo|view]] {{fullurl:foo|action=edit}} / interwiki: [[mw:foo|view]] {{fullurl:mw:foo|action=edit}}
[06:35:29] <Dantman>	;) Which means that < and > are illegal in titles
[06:36:41] <Dantman>	Eh? Shouldn't doing that by interwiki be illegal?
[06:37:03] <Dantman>	MW has no understanding of an edit link on another wiki
[06:37:10] <Werdna>	Dantman: sure it does.
[06:37:24] <Xiong>	hey i don't even want interwiki
[06:37:25] <Werdna>	Dantman: remember that those parameters after the pipe are just a query-string.
[06:39:01] <Splarka>	Xiong: too bad, you get them, hah
[06:39:26] <Xiong>	Dantman: that wiki has a funny captcha -- broken
[06:39:33] <Dantman>	Hmm?
[06:39:40] <Xiong>	fails to load, it's a picture
[06:40:16] <Xiong>	i get the "broken image" icon in my browser, then it disappears altogether
[06:40:53] <Dantman>	hmm
[06:41:52] <anonymouscoward>	ha!
[06:43:58] <Xiong>	anyway, i will go with this:
[06:44:01] <Xiong>	[{{fullurl:there|action=edit}} Edit ''that'' page.]
[06:44:17] <Xiong>	it works and for portable help files, it's probably best
[06:44:29] <Dantman>	^_^ Of course
[06:45:12] <Dantman>	Even if we created something like [[There<action=edit>|Edit "that" page]] it wouldn't work on 99% of wiki for a fair bit of time and would hardly be good for portable pages
[06:46:11] <Xiong>	that's not a bug
[06:46:23] <Xiong>	it's a feature included for backwards compatibility
[06:47:10] <Dantman>	Huh?
[06:47:17] <Xiong>	besides, i just came up with a wonderful excuse for external link format anyway
[06:47:26] <Xiong>	the link appearance is a little different
[06:47:36] <Xiong>	so the edit link looks different from the straight link
[06:48:00] <Xiong>	and if you know why, great, and if you don't, you may learn but it probably won't upset you
[06:48:24] <Xiong>	not only is it not a bug but it is a *planned* feature
[06:50:12] <Xiong>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta%3ASandbox
[06:50:24] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39572 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Add optional $db param
[06:51:47] <TurboBee>	what tag should I use in my html when a page is loading to tell the browser what character set to use?
[06:54:18] <Splarka>	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
[06:55:00] <Splarka>	maybe this graph will illustrate it: http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/05/utf8-growth-google
[06:55:19] <TurboBee>	thanks :)
[06:56:45] <Flamelor>	hm... the mwdumper dosn't write any database, even it shows me some progress :-$
[06:57:26] <Xiong>	okay now i'm really stuck
[06:57:33] <Xiong>	no i'm not
[06:57:36] <Xiong>	tell me to shut up
[06:57:42] <Flamelor>	shut up! :D
[06:57:54] <Flamelor>	if you want me so :D
[06:58:59] <Charitwo>	hi tim
[06:59:55] <Xiong>	okay now i'm *really* stuck
[06:59:59] <TimStarling>	hi
[07:00:26] <Xiong>	can i transclude a page containing a template transclusion *without* expanding it?
[07:00:56] <MZMcBride>	Not really?
[07:01:42] <Xiong>	{{foo}}?? where [[Template:foo]] contains {{bar}} such that {{foo}}?? prints {{bar}}, not contents of bar
[07:02:03] <TimStarling>	{{msgnw:foo}}
[07:02:35] <Xiong>	i did that
[07:02:39] <Xiong>	wait, i'm an idiot
[07:02:49] <Xiong>	but thank you for telling me i was on the right track
[07:02:55] <Xiong>	i thought i was wrong but i was mistaken
[07:04:49] <Xiong>	even better:
[07:04:51] <Xiong>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta%3ASandbox
[07:10:40] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: yo
[07:10:54] <TimStarling>	hi Aaron
[07:22:56] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39573 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: unlock when done
[07:29:44] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39574 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php): Improve caching a little
[07:50:18] <Saoirse>	tag zusammen. helft ihr auch leuten, die ihre eigene mediawiki betreiben oder gilt die hilfe nur f?r wikipedia?
[07:53:30] <Saoirse>	let me guess: this channel is english spoken...
[07:55:57] <Werdna>	Saoirse: mostly yes, but we do speak other languages if anybody knows them.
[07:56:01] <Werdna>	Saoirse: what is your preferred language?
[07:56:27] <Wuzur|Away>	Ich denke Deutsch / I think German
[07:56:29] <Saoirse>	german is my native, but I'm familiar with english also.
[07:57:21] <Wuzur|Away>	You just can ask for things with your wiki not just with wikimedia-wikis
[07:59:20] <Saoirse>	Uhm, I guess this is one "just" too much for me to understand it. So you help people with their own mediawiki? yes? no? *don't give me a "perhaps" please.
[07:59:32] <Werdna>	"perhaps"
[07:59:36] <Werdna>	yes.
[07:59:46] <Saoirse>	wow. :) 
[07:59:50] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39575 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php: add profile calls
[08:00:28] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[08:01:09] <AaronSchulz>	hey
[08:02:10] <Saoirse>	ok, I got two or three problems. i tried to install those "extra edit buttons", but it eon't work. so I guess the fault is not on my server. I guess, the fault is in my brain *giggle* useless to say that i don't know how to install the "infoboxes".
[08:02:24] <Xiong>	everyone on #wikimedia appears to be asleep
[08:02:31] <Werdna>	extra edit buttons?
[08:02:37] <Xiong>	would anyone care to field a meta question, please?
[08:02:51] <Werdna>	you just asked a meta question
[08:02:54] <Werdna>	in fact, a meta meta question
[08:03:12] <Xiong>	damn
[08:03:16] <Xiong>	not only that, i asked to ask
[08:03:30] *Xiong 	hands werdna the rubber hose
[08:03:45] <Xiong>	i really need to eat but i think i should wrap this up first
[08:03:49] <Wuzur|Away>	Saoirse: What do you mean with infoboxes?
[08:04:19] <Xiong>	doing a major refactor of a meta:help: page -- where is the best public place to put it?
[08:04:38] <Xiong>	help:template/refactor
[08:04:40] <Xiong>	?
[08:05:07] <Xiong>	don't want to do anything that messes with {{BASEPAGENAME}}
[08:05:16] <Xiong>	anyway, can't think of a better choice
[08:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialPage::getTitleFor does not return a localised name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14118  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:05:52] <Xiong>	and no, i'm not comfortable tearing up the current live page
[08:05:58] <Saoirse>	I'm confused
[08:06:03] <Xiong>	be bold with a chainsaw
[08:06:13] <Xiong>	Saoirse: i'm always confused
[08:06:31] <Xiong>	are you confused by me, in which case i'll try to straighten it out?
[08:08:06] <Saoirse>	Xiong: well.. at the moment I do not know if you are talking to me, 
[08:08:29] <Xiong>	the question is general; i'll pretty much heed the first answer i get
[08:08:38] <Xiong>	unless two come at once, heavens forbid
[08:08:49] <Xiong>	does anyone have a strong feeling about a page name for a public major refactoring of [[Help:Template]]?
[08:09:04] <Xiong>	by "public", i mean general to the meta editing community, not a me-thing
[08:09:41] <Xiong>	Saoirse: you are included
[08:10:18] <Splarka>	Xiong: well... if it is for general mediawiki template help it should be on mediawiki.org instead of meta
[08:10:32] <Splarka>	(they're trying to move documentation to mw from meta and all)
[08:10:42] <Saoirse>	Well, if you are asking me about something, I got a quick and simple answer: Don't ask me, I don't know anything
[08:10:52] <Xiong>	Splarka: um
[08:10:55] <Xiong>	good point
[08:11:16] <Xiong>	however template docs are somewhat project specific, because pf is not core
[08:11:20] <Xiong>	why, i dunno
[08:11:32] <Xiong>	i vote ++ for pf->core
[08:12:12] <Splarka>	yes, they would be good core
[08:12:27] <Xiong>	anyway, i picked up the discussion of refactoring [[Help:Template]] on meta
[08:12:27] <Splarka>	but pf documentation should also be on mediawiki.org (ideally)
[08:12:34] <Xiong>	perhaps that was my first mistake
[08:12:38] *Splarka 	shrugs
[08:12:51] <Splarka>	what I do is check which of the two sites has the better documentation at any given time
[08:12:58] <Splarka>	and then edit that
[08:13:22] <Splarka>	Help:magic_words, for example, was better on meta until like 2 weeks ago
[08:13:33] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[08:13:36] <Xiong>	well, no offense but better is relative
[08:13:50] <Splarka>	ahh, incorrect!
[08:13:53] <Splarka>	you can quantify better
[08:13:58] <Xiong>	my personal opinion is that right now, both suck, MW and WM, for this particular page
[08:14:07] <Xiong>	they suck for radically different reasons
[08:14:07] <Splarka>	assign equal weight to the attributes: length, details, last edit
[08:14:19] <Xiong>	now i'm sorry i got into it
[08:14:21] <Splarka>	for a given help topic
[08:14:38] *Splarka 	grins
[08:14:52] <Xiong>	i wasted the last three hours editing a comment on [[m:help talk:template]]
[08:14:56] <Flamelor>	damn - why does the mwdumper.jar don't write into my database?
[08:15:00] <Xiong>	and now my chicken fried rice is stone cold
[08:15:04] <domas>	=)
[08:15:06] <domas>	haha
[08:15:07] <domas>	s2bu
[08:15:12] <Splarka>	bad domas
[08:15:18] *Splarka 	gives domas a cookie
[08:15:48] <Xiong>	anyway -- just so i can finish up and pick up my chopsticks
[08:16:05] <Xiong>	i can't remember doing a wholesale refactor in years
[08:16:08] <Xiong>	if ever
[08:16:25] <Xiong>	it should obviously go on its own page until moved onto the "real" one
[08:16:33] <Xiong>	so
[08:16:57] <Xiong>	my addled brain can only think of [[Help:Template/refactor]]
[08:17:02] <Saoirse>	werdna: I ment those "extra-edit" buttons which should appear on top of the texteditor field. usually you got <bold> <italic> <internal link> <external link> and so on, and the last one is <horizontal line>, right? but there's an ability to install extra edit buttons such as <table> <text aligning> <underline> etc. Do you know what I mean?
[08:17:13] <Xiong>	i'm not interested in userspace, i'm not cuddling it to my bosom
[08:17:15] <Splarka>	Xiong: well, user space is more appropriate, and invite others to edit
[08:17:22] <Splarka>	(well, usually, not sure about meta)
[08:17:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow queued renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15212  (10chrisgrantmail)
[08:17:42] <Werdna>	ah.
[08:18:00] <Splarka>	mwCustomEditButtons
[08:18:17] <Xiong>	i give up
[08:18:19] <Saoirse>	*shrug*
[08:18:27] <Xiong>	let the zombies tear down the barricades
[08:18:39] <Xiong>	i'm hungry
[08:19:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow queued renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15212  +comment (10Andrew)
[08:19:54] <Saoirse>	I found this wiki-entry by MarkS, which explains how to install and anything, but it doesn't work. java script (if necessary) works on my space. but somehow I go crazy by installing those buttons. 
[08:20:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js
[08:21:05] <Saoirse>	and somehow it doesn't matter what entry I set on my monobook.js, nothing works
[08:21:08] <Splarka>	some buttons on en.wp 
[08:21:16] <Splarka>	did you try purging browser cache?
[08:21:29] <Saoirse>	miore than once, believe me.
[08:21:41] <Saoirse>	*cancel this "i"*
[08:23:39] <Saoirse>	Splarka: I saw this code before (the link you gave me), but where the hell shall I put it on?
[08:24:04] <Splarka>	in your MediaWiki:Common.js or user:yourname/yourskin.js
[08:25:28] <Saoirse>	*gulp* damn... it works...
[08:25:42] <Duesentrieb>	uh, how do i populate the category table after update? doesn't look like update.php does that :(
[08:27:13] <Saoirse>	wow. thanks. :) do you have a similiar working code for those infoboxes?
[08:30:54] <Wuzur|Away>	Saoirse: Do you mean the boxes that are ussaly at the right of articles?
[08:31:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180  (10siebrand)
[08:33:24] <Xiong>	Saoirse: curious question
[08:33:53] <Xiong>	i'm sure you don't mean, what is the code for one of those infoboxes?
[08:34:15] <Xiong>	anyone can just go, have a look, for that matter, copy out
[08:34:25] <Wuzur|Away>	Saoirse: You have to install the parserfunctions to work properly
[08:34:31] <Xiong>	could you be more specific in your needs
[08:34:35] <Wuzur|Away>	!paserfunctions | Saoirse
[08:34:35] --mwbot--	Saoirse: I don't know anything about "paserfunctions".
[08:34:40] <Wuzur|Away>	grmpf
[08:34:53] <Xiong>	well you're away, you can't be expected to type, too
[08:34:53] <Saoirse>	*lmao*
[08:35:06] <Xiong>	he's right, your wiki must have pf
[08:35:12] <Xiong>	i say, period
[08:35:21] <Xiong>	life before pf was dull
[08:35:41] <Wuzur|Away>	!pf | Saoirse
[08:35:41] --mwbot--	Saoirse: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[08:35:50] <Wuzur|Away>	You were right, Xiong thanks
[08:37:33] <Saoirse>	ok... so i go and dig me a tunnel. sometimes it seems so easy. just download this and that and save it here and there... IF YOU DARE!   *and most of the time I do not dare*
[08:38:55] <Wuzur|Away>	Saoirse: Do you have this? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ParserFunctions
[08:39:38] <Wuzur|Away>	*gna* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Parser_functions
[08:39:39] <Xiong>	well the third effort has now been made to screw my infant refactoring
[08:39:46] <Saoirse>	not at the moment, but if you give me 2 minutes ....
[08:39:51] <Wuzur|Away>	Today is not my day :S
[08:40:19] <Xiong>	the first deleted it outright, the second tagged it speedy, the third now tried to use <noinclude>, which utterly breaks the demonstration
[08:40:32] <Saoirse>	don't mind, wuzur... it's a typical manic monday
[08:40:43] <Wuzur|Away>	:-D
[08:42:00] <Saoirse>	(Warning: Before you download read Requirements or you might install the wrong version!):
[08:42:09] <Saoirse>	this is wehy I don't dare...
[08:42:25] <Saoirse>	+cuts the "e" out*
[08:42:56] <Xiong>	there should be an entire sandbox namespace
[08:43:24] <Wuzur|Away>	Why don't test the things in your userspace?
[08:45:15] <Xiong>	because it's not a test
[08:45:28] <Xiong>	it's a demonstration in helpspace
[08:45:37] <Xiong>	i tested it in the regular sandbox
[08:45:42] <Wuzur|Away>	then put it in help ;)
[08:45:50] <Saoirse>	my userspace.. *ARGL* DON'T TELL ME MY ACCOUNT DOESN'T EXIST!!! *grml* I created it on friday...holy hell.
[08:45:53] <Xiong>	it's not a help file
[08:46:03] <TimStarling>	put it there anyway
[08:46:18] <Xiong>	i will take that advice
[08:46:32] <TimStarling>	you don't need a namespace for every possible type of page you might want to put on a wiki
[08:47:00] <Xiong>	but i will psueduo ns it if possible -> [[Help:Sandbox:Target]]
[08:47:11] <Xiong>	lest somebody think it contained sth intelligible
[08:47:35] <Xiong>	TimStarling: my thought exactly, you don't
[08:47:47] <Xiong>	which makes namespace wars a bit petty, to me
[08:48:04] <Werdna>	zomg, it should be Portal:Wikipedia
[08:48:05] *Werdna 	hides
[08:48:06] <Xiong>	i don't much care where it goes, so long as it's not templatespace
[08:48:15] <Xiong>	lest the poor reader get totally confused
[08:48:29] <Xiong>	Werdna: excellent suggestion
[08:48:34] <Xiong>	but tim got in first
[08:48:34] <Saoirse>	*sigh* 
[08:51:19] <Xiong>	well here's the bright side
[08:51:45] <Xiong>	i'm tagging all the move-redirects speedy, which will give them something to do
[08:53:15] <Saoirse>	*sigh* I'm overstrained
[08:53:18] <salkot>	Help, I'm getting this error all of a sudden: Incorrect information in file: './wikidb/page.frm''
[08:58:39] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: r39538 is *really bad*. It does not provide fallback.
[08:58:40] <Xiong>	no, /broken/
[08:59:07] <Xiong>	Help:Sandbox: is not a pseudo-subnamespace of Help:, is it?
[08:59:10] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: I suggest it is reverted until it works. See http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences?uselang=nl for an example.
[08:59:38] <Duesentrieb>	siebrand: uh... what?
[09:00:13] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: the "i18n support" for Gadgets (commit message: "better support for on-wiki i18n")
[09:00:25] <Xiong>	no, it is
[09:00:27] <Duesentrieb>	siebrand: i don't have an account (i think) so i don't see what you mean.
[09:00:43] <Xiong>	i can't keep up with all the stuff the mover is throwing off
[09:00:55] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: like I said: no fallback. No message in my UI, only an identifier is shown.
[09:01:38] <Duesentrieb>	siebrand: uh... i don't understand how that would happen. unless the message doesn't exist in the content language.
[09:01:52] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: in the content language it works fine.
[09:01:53] <Duesentrieb>	siebrand: i didn't change the way the messages are resolved...
[09:02:00] <Saoirse>	how do i find out which ....*stupid question... I know that I don't have the 1.1.14 version...but Idon't know if it's 1.1.12 or 1.1.13...
[09:02:11] <Duesentrieb>	unless... well, unless the LoadAllMessages hook is called for the preference page
[09:02:19] <Duesentrieb>	i dunno why that would happen, though
[09:03:05] <Duesentrieb>	siebrand: i'm confused. will look.
[09:03:17] <Duesentrieb>	!version | Saoirse
[09:03:17] --mwbot--	Saoirse: To find out the version of your MediaWiki installation, visit the page Special:Version. Should the wiki be broken, but you have access to the program files, find $wgVersion in DefaultSettings.php.
[09:03:19] <Wuzur|Away>	Saoirse: Go to Special:Version on your wiki
[09:03:20] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: uploading some screenshots.
[09:04:16] <Saoirse>	thanks, wuzur *I'm going blind*   
[09:04:36] <Wuzur|Away>	No problem
[09:04:48] <Xiong>	i seem to remember that the first edit WP ever got was vandalism
[09:05:44] <Duesentrieb>	siebrand: my user name is taken, but i can't log in, and i don't get mail... the user page refers to my wp account, but there are no edits under the name of Duesentrieb... can you reset the account? i.e. force a valid email address
[09:05:46] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: http://translatewiki.net/w/GadgetsContentLang.png and http://translatewiki.net/w/GadgetsUserLang.png
[09:06:00] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: sure.
[09:06:44] <Saoirse>	gosh.. in my next life please don't give me the libra- sign in zodiac. it's so hard to decide which extension i want/need/should get...
[09:07:20] <Xiong>	ha ha the dev is locked out
[09:07:35] <Xiong>	zombies rule again
[09:10:05] <Xiong>	what comes after 'hello, world'?
[09:10:45] <Saoirse>	hm... my dl doesn't start.
[09:17:57] <Xiong>	Saoirse: can i have that made into a teeshirt?
[09:18:41] <Saoirse>	whatever so want. 
[09:19:12] <Saoirse>	*cut "so" - include "you"*
[09:20:15] <Saoirse>	<-- feels like the most stupid wiki-user in the world. 
[09:20:35] <Xiong>	for the record, i have installed flickr, pf, and newestpages
[09:21:04] <Saoirse>	oh, no... second stupid. I know how to create and edit a page.
[09:21:04] <Xiong>	Saoirse: get in line
[09:21:57] <Xiong>	headerfooter, securehtml, and stubmanager
[09:22:14] <Xiong>	i like them all
[09:22:32] <Xiong>	i think flickr (extension) is beyond cool, for a certain kind of wiki
[09:22:50] <Xiong>	like facebook but you don't pay the BW bill
[09:23:07] <Xiong>	pf should be core, to my way of thinking it is
[09:23:25] <Xiong>	headerfooter can do more that appears at first blush
[09:23:48] <Xiong>	stubmanager is jeanluc's evil device for making all his neat stuff work
[09:24:02] <Xiong>	kind of like a supermarket loyalty card
[09:24:11] <Saoirse>	well, for the start i got me the gadgets. but now I'm unsure if i shall load up the whole directory into my "extensions" or just the 5 files. 
[09:24:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) A bit more internationalisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15221 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87)
[09:24:53] <Xiong>	use MediaWiki::Extensions qw('all');
[09:25:28] <Xiong>	there *is* an extension manager extension :)
[09:26:08] <Xiong>	oh oh
[09:26:27] <Saoirse>	+lmao*
[09:26:28] <Xiong>	and Saoirse, you may want recapcha
[09:26:39] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r39576 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: fixed fallback to content lang, behavior for special:allmessages is a bit odd now. needs some more thought.
[09:27:00] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39577 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php: 
[09:27:00] <CIA-56>	Allowed array-merging for site config. You can now set a setting for
[09:27:00] <CIA-56>	'+whatever', and it's the same as setting it for 'whatever', merged with the
[09:27:00] <CIA-56>	contents of the next level up. Should mean we're able to deprecate the ugly
[09:27:01] <CIA-56>	groupOverrides/groupOverrides2 syntax in InitialiseSettings.php.
[09:27:20] <Xiong>	that has the cool elegant recaptcha captcha, instead of the stupid astigmatic eye-crossing ones
[09:27:22] <Saoirse>	I may want to know, if I should load up the whole "gadgets" directory or just the 5 files in it.
[09:27:45] <Duesentrieb>	Saoirse: the directory.
[09:27:54] <Saoirse>	thank you
[09:27:56] <Duesentrieb>	Saoirse: that's not a must, but it helps to keep things organized
[09:28:00] <Saoirse>	+bows+
[09:28:08] <Xiong>	those are all the JS tools?
[09:28:08] <Duesentrieb>	me -> afk
[09:28:22] <Saoirse>	yes, that's what I've been thinking about. 
[09:28:32] <Xiong>	nighty nighty in tighty whiteys
[09:29:01] <Xiong>	i wonder if there is anything in there to overcome my distrust of JS
[09:40:59] <Saoirse>	*buhu* no gadgets shown...
[09:41:16] <Dantman>	TimStarling: You seen this bad parsing before? http://sandbox.wiki-tools.com/wiki/BadBold Think it's something that could possibly be fixed at some point? Or is it something we can't fix without breaking things?
[09:44:26] <CIA-56>	03grondin * r39578 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php LqtPages.php): Adding news internationalization messages.
[09:44:58] <Saoirse>	weeeeeeeelll.... sometimes you should be happy with what you got *and sometimes a cigarette is the best you can get* 
[09:45:51] <Saoirse>	well then, a big "thank you" for your help...
[09:46:17] <Saoirse>	and here comes the two minute warning: I'll be back. ;-) 
[09:46:47] <Saoirse>	c'ya
[09:47:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) LiquidThreads contains hard coded language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15192  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[09:48:08] <Werdna>	Grondin: we love you.
[09:48:25] <Grondin>	?
[09:48:36] <Grondin>	about LiquidThreads ?
[09:48:56] <Xiong>	4-1/2 hours ago, i was editing my own wiki happily
[09:49:05] <Werdna>	Grondin: yes :P
[09:49:18] <Xiong>	i went by [[Help:Templates]] to check one specific tag
[09:49:58] <Grondin>	test it, email notification, Werdna, has not be tested. For namespace, i18n doesn't existe for it
[09:50:09] <Werdna>	I haven't used LQT
[09:50:39] <Xiong>	then i spent 3 hours editing meta, 1/2 running around trying to figure out who's on first, and 1/2 hour convalescing
[09:51:09] <Xiong>	i still don't know the answer to my question
[09:51:24] <Werdna>	what is your question?
[09:51:37] <Xiong>	very basic, i just got side tracked
[09:51:52] <Xiong>	uh, "does onlyinclude do what i think it does?"
[09:52:10] <Xiong>	never edit the doc you're trying to consult
[09:54:26] <Dantman>	I personally dislike onlyinclude...
[09:54:32] <Werdna>	Xiong: try it.
[09:57:19] <Bluegoblin7>	hello, i am looking for some help?
[09:57:21] <Bluegoblin7>	i am setting up custom protection levels through my wiki, however I have come across some issues, as stated at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:$wgRestrictionLevels. I won't repost it here.
[09:57:22] <Bluegoblin7>	secondly, is it possible to have multiple protection levels? for example, on my wiki i have to identical userrgoups, the only difference is that one is male and one female - is it possible for both to use the protected page? 
[09:57:24] <Bluegoblin7>	Also, is it possible for only users with a certain group to be able that page through protection, e.g. only developers can edit a certain page, no-one else, even if their right is higher (such as staff).
[09:57:25] <Bluegoblin7>	Apologies if this seems jumbled, I can clarify further if needed
[09:58:43] <Xiong>	who is responsible for choosing onlyinclude and includeonly?
[09:59:12] <Xiong>	i mean the literal choice of the atoms
[10:02:37] <Bluegoblin7>	any1 ^
[10:05:13] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: yes
[10:05:27] <Xiong>	you may define any number of usergroups
[10:05:41] <Xiong>	and you can give them a wide range of permissions
[10:05:46] <Bluegoblin7>	yes I know that
[10:05:51] <Xiong>	these need not be hierarchial
[10:06:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Options for #show parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15222 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[10:06:02] <Bluegoblin7>	can i give a page protection to more than one usergroup?
[10:06:14] <Xiong>	yes
[10:06:16] <Splarka>	Xiong: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=11494
[10:06:43] <Xiong>	however, note that some group will have to have the power to assign users to groups and grant groups specific rights
[10:06:53] <Xiong>	and somebody must have the keys to the rack room
[10:07:10] <Bluegoblin7>	yes we have a group that can do that
[10:07:17] <Xiong>	by definition, that person has all power, at least until somebody beats him over the head and takes it away
[10:07:56] <Xiong>	avar
[10:08:08] <Xiong>	odd, i thought i knew most dev handles
[10:08:25] <Bluegoblin7>	huh?
[10:08:43] <Xiong>	well for the worst possible choice of new atom, avar winds up on my xmas black peter list
[10:08:57] <Xiong>	different issue, Bluegoblin7
[10:09:07] <Bluegoblin7>	ah ok lol
[10:09:12] <Xiong>	Splarka: ty
[10:09:14] <Wuzur|Away>	I do no understand what this <onlyinclude> does
[10:09:32] <Splarka>	Wuzur|Away: pretends as if the rest of the page is in <noinclude>
[10:09:44] <Splarka>	<noinclude>foo</noinclude>bar<noinclude>baz</noinclude>
[10:09:44] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: whoever has supreme power, at least at the software level, can obviously not be forbidden anything
[10:09:48] <Xiong>	not in software
[10:09:51] <Splarka>	foo<onlyinclude>bar</onlyinclude>baz
[10:09:53] <Wuzur|Away>	Splarka: Thanks
[10:10:02] <Splarka>	useful for small bits of transcludability in a big page
[10:10:04] <Xiong>	i think that's what you're asking, not sure
[10:10:17] <Xiong>	supreme power is indivisible
[10:10:21] <Bluegoblin7>	yes i know that - i'm the only one with that access though so i dont mind that - its more for the onwiki people for why i need that ;
[10:10:37] <Xiong>	well, you don't share that
[10:10:42] <Xiong>	you give each one limited access
[10:10:55] <Xiong>	not sure what you want to do
[10:11:18] <Xiong>	2:57a: Bluegoblin7: Also, is it possible for only users with a certain group to be able that page through protection, e.g. only developers can edit a certain page, no-one else, even if their right is higher (such as staff).
[10:11:28] <Xiong>	rights are not necessarily higher or lower
[10:11:55] <Xiong>	i can create a certain type of action, say, 'turnpagesblue', and permit only 'bluemen' to do it
[10:12:07] <Xiong>	are bluemen higher than sysops?
[10:12:10] <Xiong>	or vv?
[10:12:25] <Bluegoblin7>	well i know but it depends on the wiki doesnt it?
[10:12:37] <Bluegoblin7>	we have the staff, then the crats, then the sysops, then the sub-rights
[10:12:45] <Xiong>	yes, if you give a specific example, might help
[10:13:36] <Xiong>	what do you want to forbid?
[10:13:50] <ReAn>	is there a way to put a "footer" on every content page? but IN the content?
[10:13:56] <ReAn>	kinda like the site-line
[10:13:57] <ReAn>	at the top
[10:14:03] <ReAn>	but i want this one at the bottom
[10:14:08] <Xiong>	ReAn: several ways
[10:14:18] <Xiong>	how strongly do you feel about it?
[10:14:20] <ReAn>	any way that dosent involve editing the skin
[10:14:22] <ReAn>	extremely
[10:14:27] <ReAn>	it has to be done
[10:14:37] <Xiong>	if you feel that strongly, edit the skin -- really
[10:14:51] <ReAn>	there's no way other than that?
[10:14:54] <Xiong>	only somebody with direct access to the server will be able to fool with it
[10:15:01] <Xiong>	it's guaranteed
[10:15:03] <ReAn>	well yea
[10:15:10] <Xiong>	all you have to do then is turn off user skins
[10:15:11] <ReAn>	but there's no siteline for the bottom?
[10:15:33] <Xiong>	if you want sth more flexible, see Extension:HeaderFooter
[10:16:16] <Xiong>	ha ha, beware of the obvious -- i'd think -- limits of the skin approach
[10:16:35] <Xiong>	a number of would-be wiki farm gods edit monobook to stuff in their crap
[10:16:44] *Splarka 	blinks a bit
[10:16:46] <Xiong>	i use cologneblue anyway
[10:16:49] <Splarka>	what content do you want in the footer?
[10:16:52] <Splarka>	dynamic or static?
[10:16:54] <ReAn>	lol
[10:16:59] <ReAn>	i like cologneblue
[10:17:10] <Xiong>	then perhaps you will like scenic
[10:17:17] <Xiong>	i have no packaged it for export
[10:17:18] <ReAn>	Splarka: Ideally it's static, but i want the ability to change it easily
[10:17:25] <Splarka>	there is little reason to edit the skin, there is probably a hook you can use
[10:17:30] <ReAn>	so far i just have Template:Disclaimer
[10:17:35] <Splarka>	and then just have it insert a content message as raw html
[10:17:36] <ReAn>	and put {{Disclaimer}} at the bottom
[10:17:40] <Xiong>	Extension:HeaderFooter
[10:17:52] <Splarka>	then you can edit it easily, and even have translations available 
[10:17:59] <ReAn>	kk, thx
[10:18:07] <Xiong>	well wait guys
[10:18:08] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks
[10:18:35] <Xiong>	anybody who can edit [[Disclaimer]] can pook that
[10:18:37] <Splarka>	extensions+hooks let you change things without hurting the skin
[10:19:54] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: do your crats have the ability to assign users to any group?
[10:20:12] <Bluegoblin7>	no, just the occasional group
[10:20:23] <Bluegoblin7>	only one group can assign to every group
[10:21:50] <Xiong>	did you override this:
[10:21:52] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['userrights'] = true;
[10:22:12] <Bluegoblin7>	yes
[10:22:28] <Xiong>	ah
[10:22:46] <Xiong>	then you, yourself, are the only person who can assign users to any group?
[10:23:04] <Xiong>	if so, then you are the only person who can do everything
[10:23:37] <Bluegoblin7>	yes, currently
[10:24:05] <Xiong>	i think that's your answer
[10:24:24] <Xiong>	you don't want redmen to edit blue pages, you don't want bluemen to edit red pages, sth like that
[10:24:31] <Xiong>	so, assign group rights that way
[10:24:37] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['userrights'] = true;
[10:24:40] <Xiong>	oops
[10:24:57] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['redman']['rededit'] = true;
[10:25:15] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['blueman']['blueedit'] = true;
[10:25:48] <Xiong>	or whatever
[10:26:05] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['blueman']['makesysop'] = true;
[10:27:25] <Xiong>	not happy?
[10:27:33] <Bluegoblin7>	erm...
[10:27:51] <Xiong>	try the concrete example
[10:33:51] <Dantman>	TimStarling: Mind explaining fss_exec_replace?
[10:34:06] <Bluegoblin7>	erm, i'm now slightly confused... i'll put our userrights into the paste bin, hold on
[10:34:35] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, http://rafb.net/p/ekdREe91.html
[10:34:46] <Bluegoblin7>	can we work through them one at a time?
[10:34:55] <Bluegoblin7>	i.e. the queries, not the rights!
[10:35:42] *Xiong 	looks
[10:35:52] <Xiong>	my my my
[10:36:00] <Xiong>	that is a lot of detail you got there
[10:36:21] <Bluegoblin7>	i know.... we also want to rationalise them, but that comes later on ;)
[10:36:29] <Bluegoblin7>	we know what we need to do
[10:38:31] <Xiong>	who can create funpolice?
[10:40:02] <Bluegoblin7>	as in who can add it? sysops, bureaucrats, staff and janitors
[10:40:07] <Xiong>	hell, who has 'userrights'?
[10:40:26] <Xiong>	oh ok
[10:40:37] <Xiong>	i'm blinded by the sheer number of declarations
[10:41:04] <Xiong>	do you have a slot there for Royal Cupbearer of the Green Garter?
[10:41:39] <Bluegoblin7>	only janitor can access the full user rights, the rest are limited to what it says at $wgAddGroups, which appereared in 1.13 i think, we're running the trunk version
[10:41:54] <Bluegoblin7>	one can easily be added, we're a test wiki, so that's one reason for all the rights
[10:42:31] <Xiong>	yes, that's my reading
[10:42:48] <Xiong>	janitors are the most powerful group, because they can assign to any other
[10:42:57] <Xiong>	and the title is uncontested
[10:43:09] <Xiong>	that is, janitor power is absolute
[10:43:24] <Xiong>	however, 'developers' are not the real devs, perhaps
[10:43:49] <Xiong>	see, real devs are not a MW user group at all
[10:43:57] <Xiong>	they are just the guys with server access
[10:44:00] <Bluegoblin7>	yep
[10:44:18] <domas>	;-)
[10:44:28] <Xiong>	so this is all kinda weird and ornate but i don't see how any of it should be a problem
[10:44:32] <domas>	REAL DEVS ARE UNDERGROUND INVISIBLE FORCE WITH TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION
[10:44:46] <Xiong>	you look to have satisfied every possible political need
[10:44:46] <Bluegoblin7>	those devs on there are the real devs (so that they can lock/unlock the db) but they are also highly trusted users as only devs can edit the MW namespace, for security reasons
[10:44:50] <Bluegoblin7>	lol domas
[10:45:09] <domas>	Bluegoblin7: sysops can edit mw namespace :(
[10:45:11] <Bluegoblin7>	true ;) we even went with PC on the funpolice - funpolice_m and funpolice_f ;)
[10:45:12] <Xiong>	domas: the truth is that willy on wheels is a dev doing testing
[10:45:23] <Bluegoblin7>	no, we turned it off, domas
[10:45:27] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: i'm waiting for the explanation of that
[10:45:48] <Xiong>	do they walk around with latex toys, popping in and out of the pink and blue funrooms?
[10:46:02] <domas>	Bluegoblin7: since when? it was hardcoded..
[10:46:05] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: no, of course not ;)
[10:46:17] <Xiong>	why not?
[10:46:23] <Xiong>	PornoWiki
[10:46:35] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: They monitor the "fun levels" on the wiki, and assign boring users to the boring losers ;)
[10:46:50] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: Added by request of a user, TBH i think it's stupid
[10:47:04] <Xiong>	there are a depressing number of pornowikis already out there
[10:47:18] <Xiong>	yah, but why m and f?
[10:47:18] <Bluegoblin7>	domas: you can switch anything off now, we used $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['editinterface'] = false;
[10:47:23] <Bluegoblin7>	im sure there are
[10:47:33] <domas>	Bluegoblin7: thats not WMF site, right? :)
[10:47:37] <Bluegoblin7>	Male and Female ;) Fun Policeman and Fun Policewoman
[10:47:47] <Bluegoblin7>	no, we're not, we just run MW ;)
[10:48:00] <domas>	ok :)
[10:48:08] <Xiong>	so, somewhere down the road, you define those groups to have those names
[10:48:09] <Xiong>	nice
[10:48:18] <domas>	Bluegoblin7: various people here use 'we' to define WMF deployment :)
[10:48:37] <Xiong>	you didn't see Falling Down
[10:48:41] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: Yes, under a MediaWiki page ;)
[10:49:00] <Bluegoblin7>	domas: sorry, I had no idea ;) I use 'we' to mean my wiki's Staff Members
[10:49:11] <Xiong>	so in what way does this crystal castle fail to please, Bluegoblin7 ?
[10:50:15] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: It mainly comes at the end, line 120 onwards. That's our (current) custom protection, i.e. more protection than default, but it doesn't work - i simply added the user groups so you could see if I needed to do anything else
[10:51:49] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: We also want to add Fun Police protection, but with having the two user groups wondered if it was possible to set up a page with protection so that both could edit it. As i understand it you can only have one protection level
[10:52:27] <Xiong>	oHo!
[10:52:55] <Xiong>	what exactly doesn't work?
[10:54:00] <Xiong>	i can tell you, you're stuck on #2
[10:54:20] <Xiong>	under this scheme, page protection is a level, not a set
[10:54:27] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, well no worries about that then, its best case scenario
[10:54:33] <Xiong>	one level necessarily includes all below itself
[10:54:42] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[10:54:50] <Xiong>	tell me about #1
[10:55:16] <Xiong>	do you mean you can't set, say, a 'staff' level of protection and exclude sysops but not developers?
[10:55:25] <Xiong>	that does not work?
[10:55:26] <Bluegoblin7>	well, with #1, i set up as said at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels, however the levels dont appear when I attempt to protect
[10:55:50] <Xiong>	you don't get a dropdown menu or the menu looks wrong?
[10:56:04] <Xiong>	or it looks right but doesn't act correctly?
[10:56:08] <Bluegoblin7>	developer is ultimately the highest, so if i set "staff", only staff and developers can edit it
[10:56:22] <Bluegoblin7>	the protection menu doesn't have Staff and Developer on it
[10:56:39] <Xiong>	huh
[10:56:39] <Bluegoblin7>	does something else need to be done? i must say part of the instructions did slightly confuse me
[10:56:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  (10Platonides)
[10:57:31] <Bluegoblin7>	shall i show you a screen shot?
[10:57:39] <Xiong>	If you add additional levels (e.g. 'docwriters') those can be named via editing the content of 'MediaWiki:Protect-level-docwriters'.
[10:57:56] <Xiong>	that is a shabby bit of doc
[10:58:04] <Xiong>	but did you do it?
[10:58:37] <Xiong>	where is the wiki?
[10:58:39] <Bluegoblin7>	yes, i edited MediaWiki:Protect-level-staff and MediaWiki:Protect-level-developers
[10:58:47] <Xiong>	no no no
[10:58:47] <Bluegoblin7>	http://bionictest.no-ip.org/testwiki
[10:58:53] *Xiong 	reads
[10:59:01] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: only few weeks left in my project :D
[10:59:14] <Xiong>	engineers never write docs
[10:59:15] <Bluegoblin7>	or rather MediaWiki:Protect-level-developer ;)
[10:59:20] <Xiong>	and if they do, it's worse
[10:59:49] <Bluegoblin7>	huh?
[11:08:16] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong?
[11:09:25] <Xiong>	well here is your problem
[11:09:30] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[11:09:47] <Xiong>	*A* problem, perhaps not your problem or even the problem
[11:10:27] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, go on...
[11:10:46] <Xiong>	where is this line:
[11:10:48] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['staff']['staff'] = false;
[11:11:34] <weaseal>	Is there any builtin method in mediawiki for citing sources?
[11:11:35] <Bluegoblin7>	there isn't one... do i need one?
[11:12:04] <Xiong>	how else will you assign 'staff' permissions to 'staff' group members?
[11:12:22] <Dantman>	huh?
[11:12:24] <Xiong>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3A$wgRestrictionLevels
[11:12:37] <Dantman>	ohright
[11:12:38] <Xiong>	wait
[11:12:45] <Xiong>	as usual i got the test backwards
[11:13:00] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['staff']['staff'] = true;
[11:13:07] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, so what does that do?
[11:13:16] <Xiong>	dunno
[11:13:20] <Xiong>	ask dantman
[11:13:27] <Bluegoblin7>	kk
[11:13:30] <Dantman>	:/
[11:13:36] <Xiong>	i try very hard not to understand more than i have to, to make things work
[11:13:55] <Xiong>	i'm a professional ignoranamus
[11:14:25] <Xiong>	about 10 years ago i hit the redline on my brain
[11:14:38] <Xiong>	which scared hell out of me, since i thought my capacity was limitless
[11:14:56] <Dantman>	:/ I may come up with and take on insane coding projects..... But that doesn't mean I'll help with something that at first glance looks like a stupid misuse of MW
[11:15:01] <Xiong>	and i'd wasted half of it on pointless nonsense, like back issues of furry freak brothers
[11:15:08] <Bluegoblin7>	lol
[11:15:10] <Xiong>	and george carlin routines
[11:15:43] <Xiong>	Dantman: you have to appreciate the beauty of it
[11:15:43] <Bluegoblin7>	ok so if I add that for staff and developer (changing it of course) it should work?
[11:15:55] <Xiong>	the wiki exists for the sole purpose of playing crystal castle
[11:16:20] <Xiong>	like a game of mao with no cards
[11:16:30] <Bluegoblin7>	with #2, would it be possible to have say a "Fun Police" protection right for both F+M? so it's one level but to groups share it?
[11:16:36] <Xiong>	dunno, Bluegoblin7 -- try it
[11:16:40] <Bluegoblin7>	kk
[11:16:50] <Xiong>	yah, i would try that, too
[11:17:13] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['funpolice_m']['funpolice'] = true;
[11:17:20] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks
[11:17:44] <Bluegoblin7>	it works! thanks a lot!
[11:18:38] <Xiong>	did it then?
[11:18:46] <Xiong>	surely you only tried it with staff
[11:19:01] <Xiong>	try the unisex toilet, i want to know if you got that, too
[11:19:14] <jf>	I don't get this part, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Infobox_Data_Capture#Installation Should I create a table named infoboxdata? What does the {{{tag}}} part mean? Should I replace it with something?
[11:19:53] <Xiong>	weaseal: did you get your question answered?
[11:20:13] <Bluegoblin7>	developer works as well
[11:21:45] <Xiong>	jf: you should add the database table 'infoboxdata'
[11:22:22] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: On a seperate note, is it possible to get the number of users in a specific usergroup in the same way as total users?
[11:22:42] <jf>	Xiong: "Requires one table called {{{tag}}}_infoboxdata." So I should ignore that part?
[11:23:47] <Xiong>	don't see what you're pointing to jf
[11:23:50] *Xiong 	reads more
[11:24:25] <jf>	Xiong: The instructions confuse me :)
[11:24:35] <Xiong>	these PHP onwiki listings mess my browser when i scroll, it slows me down
[11:25:16] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: However, $wgGroupPermissions['funpolice_m']['funpolice'] = true; is currently not working, i'm looking into it further
[11:26:02] <Xiong>	try $wgGroupPermissions['funpolice']['funpolice'] = true;
[11:26:06] <Xiong>	*also*
[11:26:34] <Xiong>	and be sure to add it to the array down there
[11:27:04] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[11:27:56] <Bluegoblin7>	also, should I add $wgGroupPermissions['developer']['staff'] = true; for example so that devs can edit/protect etc the same pages as staff members?
[11:30:15] <Bluegoblin7>	actually, it works ;). I'd forgotten to assign myself the right. I need to set it up now so that i can edit it without the right... the above I assume?
[11:30:43] <Xiong>	dunno but sounds good
[11:31:11] <Xiong>	jf: it is not clear to me that you are to interpret that database creation code at all
[11:31:25] <Xiong>	i think you use it just as it is, {{{tag}}} and all
[11:32:08] <Xiong>	create the table and name it, literally, {{{tag}}}_infoboxdata
[11:32:14] <Xiong>	that may be real dumb, dunno
[11:32:24] <Xiong>	but i don't see an excuse for anything different
[11:34:05] *Xiong 	tries another browser
[11:36:00] <Xiong>	i don't see why not, jf
[11:36:06] <Xiong>	sebastian?
[11:37:48] <Xiong>	but i confess my ignorance here
[11:38:03] <Xiong>	and my inability to pull anything definitive, so far
[11:38:23] <Bluegoblin7>	is it possible to get the number of users in a specific usergroup in the same way as total users?
[11:38:59] <Duesentrieb>	only for bots and admins, afaik
[11:39:10] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: i have no idea off the top of my head
[11:39:14] <Duesentrieb>	not even quite sure about those...
[11:39:21] <Xiong>	hang on, i'm stuck on jf's thing
[11:39:25] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, sure
[11:39:31] <Duesentrieb>	they are on the stats page, but dunno if we have a magic word for them
[11:39:37] <Xiong>	jf: why not semantic mediawiki?
[11:40:21] <Xiong>	Duesentrieb: i'd be very surprised if you had a magic word for sysadmin-created user rights groups
[11:40:40] <Duesentrieb>	me too. but maybe for the number of admins
[11:40:56] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39579 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (8 files): Trim trailing whitespace. No functional changes.
[11:41:09] <Bluegoblin7>	Duesentrieb: Ok no worries... would it be worth openeing a bug? or is it possible to make my own?
[11:41:51] <Duesentrieb>	sure it's possible if you program it :) but not trivial. even number of user's isn't trivial. dynamic values always conflict with caching.
[11:42:10] <jf>	Xiong: semantic?
[11:42:28] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: [[Special:ListUsers]] seems to show all your groups
[11:42:38] <Bluegoblin7>	Duesentrieb: Ok, well my knowledge isn't that good, so i think i might open a big
[11:42:45] <Xiong>	gives you the dropdown, too
[11:43:07] *jf 	reads intro to semantic :)
[11:43:19] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: Yes, and then is it possible to get the amount for each group updated dynamically, as a new member gets added to each group, in the same way as you can get one for every user on the wiki?
[11:43:35] <Xiong>	jf: maybe this:
[11:43:37] <Xiong>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki
[11:44:20] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: Duesentrieb knows about 147,000 times as much about this as i do
[11:44:32] <Xiong>	if he's not confident, i'm clueless
[11:44:45] <jf>	Just need to check Susanna Kallur right now.
[11:45:07] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong, Duesentrieb: OK, thanks to both of you. I'll open a bug and see if something can be added, or if one of the devs knows more ;)
[11:45:30] <Xiong>	i think Duesentrieb's comment is pretty pertinent
[11:45:37] <Xiong>	MW caches stuff
[11:45:59] <Xiong>	you'd not likely get a real time answer anyway
[11:46:11] <Xiong>	if this is sth you want to stick on the front page
[11:46:29] <Xiong>	you could write a simple standalone script and run it from shell
[11:46:36] <Xiong>	check the database directly
[11:47:24] <Bluegoblin7>	hmm... the problem is is my knowledge of that stuff is pretty useless. If there was some code somewhere that did the same thing for the default user groups, eg bots and admins, I could probably change it, but beyond that i'm a bit stuck!
[11:47:37] <Xiong>	but that would be at the opposite end of the friendly spectrum
[11:47:56] <Xiong>	well the nice thing about php is that you can sort of blunder through it
[11:48:07] <Xiong>	no doubt why it's so popular
[11:48:25] <Xiong>	you know, perl guys say, tim toady
[11:48:31] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[11:48:33] <Xiong>	"there's more than one way to do it"
[11:48:46] <Bluegoblin7>	lol im sure there is... i just dont know any!
[11:48:53] <Xiong>	maybe i'm just being an asshat but my feeling is that in php, there's only one way
[11:49:03] <Xiong>	so you just copy stuff from scripts that you know already work
[11:49:22] <Xiong>	if you're new to writing code, that's a tip
[11:49:34] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks
[11:49:36] <Xiong>	scrap all the code you can dummy out
[11:49:49] <Xiong>	if it looks like you might be able to figure out what it does, steal it
[11:50:09] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[11:50:24] <Xiong>	ignore all the stuff you don't understand and replace the stuff you do understand with the stuff you want
[11:50:30] <Xiong>	this works about half the time
[11:51:19] <Bluegoblin7>	quickly back on page protection, my page that is protected with the Fun Police protection, but the protection line is the one for sysops, and it appears that they can also edit it, even though it's not set up to do that... any ideas?
[11:51:26] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks! i'll have a look!
[11:51:28] <Xiong>	if i may ask? what's your coding background?
[11:52:18] <Xiong>	i would have to see your new pastebin of permissions
[11:52:22] <Xiong>	see what you did
[11:52:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15223 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (jyothis.e)
[11:52:44] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, sure, i'll put it in now ;)
[11:53:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15223  (10jyothis.e)
[11:53:28] <Bluegoblin7>	my coding background? pretty much zero. luckily MW is alright and pretty simple, and it's only if you go complex that it gets complicated!
[11:53:55] <Bluegoblin7>	i am good with html, wikimarkup, javascript, but beyond that all my experience it copy others and see what happens
[11:54:09] <Xiong>	well as far as coding goes, MW doesn't really count
[11:54:16] <Xiong>	html neither, nor css
[11:54:29] <Xiong>	js, maybe a little
[11:54:43] <Xiong>	hint: learn one real programming language, to start
[11:55:07] <Xiong>	doesn't really matter which one, although you will hear many adamant assertions
[11:55:15] <Xiong>	then learn two more
[11:55:34] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[11:55:37] <Xiong>	preferably, one that is vaguely similar to the first and another that isn't anything like either
[11:55:42] <Bluegoblin7>	http://rafb.net/p/r46bTW37.html
[11:55:46] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks
[11:55:50] <Xiong>	after that, new languages will come more easily
[11:56:43] <Xiong>	i'm having some trouble now with perl but that's mostly because my brain is full
[11:56:50] <Xiong>	i can still do a lot with it
[11:57:13] *Xiong 	reads
[11:57:21] <bit|fuuuud>	Hi, I have a strange bug on my wiki. when I update a picture the thumbnail picture on articles doesn't update. for example here: http://cookiepedia.nfshost.com/index.php/Chocolate_Chip
[11:58:19] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r39580 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: fixed double-mangling of messages. still need to find a better way to defined defaults
[11:59:07] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: i don't see this line:
[11:59:09] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['funpolice']['funpolice'] = true;
[11:59:12] *siebrand 	thanks Duesentrieb.
[12:00:38] <Bluegoblin7>	it's not in there, as there isn't a user group called funpolice
[12:00:43] <Bluegoblin7>	should it be?
[12:00:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  +comment (10jelle.zijlstra)
[12:01:14] <Xiong>	dunno, i'm going by patterns
[12:01:18] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[12:02:00] <Xiong>	i'm looking for all three of these lines:
[12:02:01] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['funpolice_m']['funpolice'] = true;
[12:02:01] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['funpolice_f']['funpolice'] = true;
[12:02:01] <Xiong>	$wgGroupPermissions['funpolice']['funpolice'] = true;
[12:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15223  (10shijualex)
[12:02:31] <Xiong>	if my guess is correct, the first two put two groups into one group
[12:02:40] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, the first to are definitely there, and ill add the last 1
[12:02:43] <Xiong>	the third gives that group the access level
[12:02:48] <Bluegoblin7>	for page protection, yes
[12:02:54] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks
[12:02:58] <Xiong>	so, 1, 2, 3
[12:04:01] <bit|fuuuud>	help? I can't find it on bugzilla
[12:04:38] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, added
[12:05:46] <Xiong>	bit|fuuuud: what happens when you edit template:recipe?
[12:06:22] <Xiong>	it's not possible for me to login or create an account on your wiki
[12:06:45] <Xiong>	that tends to make troublshooting difficult
[12:06:54] <bit|fuuuud>	Xiong: I'll try now, though that thumbnail is also on the front page without the template
[12:06:59] <bit|fuuuud>	you can't?
[12:07:02] <bit|fuuuud>	that's odd
[12:07:08] <Xiong>	funny
[12:07:13] <Xiong>	i tried 3 times
[12:07:18] <Xiong>	4th time a charm
[12:07:31] <Xiong>	ghost in the machine
[12:07:36] <bit|fuuuud>	you can edit without an account too, i think
[12:08:07] <Xiong>	yah but i can't change user prefs
[12:08:11] <Xiong>	unless
[12:09:08] <bit|fuuuud>	you get this: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /f1/content/cookiepedia/public/LocalSettings.php on line 98
[12:09:08] <bit|fuuuud>	?
[12:09:21] <Xiong>	yah
[12:09:32] <bit|fuuuud>	brb i'll try to fix that
[12:09:40] <Xiong>	in fact, i just got that *after* creating an account, while trying to save user prefs
[12:10:12] <Xiong>	which were, however, saved
[12:10:43] <bit|fuuuud>	oh it works now?
[12:10:58] <bit|fuuuud>	I didn't see the new account on recent changes
[12:11:15] <Xiong>	dunno, don't think new accounts show on RC
[12:11:21] <Xiong>	look on listusers
[12:11:29] <Xiong>	and i was wrong, my prefs weren't
[12:12:26] <Xiong>	success
[12:12:31] <bit|fuuuud>	oh appreantly someone was just editing the code atm
[12:12:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  (10siebrand)
[12:13:50] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: did you have a look?
[12:13:57] <Xiong>	ah, there's your problem
[12:14:15] <Xiong>	bit|fuuuud: you have a thumbnail caching problem
[12:14:42] <bit|fuuuud>	Xiong: is it a setting I can change? how did you find it?
[12:15:09] <Xiong>	http://cookiepedia.nfshost.com/index.php/User%3AXiong
[12:15:27] <Xiong>	look carefully at markup
[12:15:49] <Xiong>	i was you, i'd purge all caches and hope it goes away
[12:16:26] <bit|fuuuud>	ah I see
[12:16:28] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: what am i looking at?
[12:16:53] <Xiong>	see, 100px is 'dirty'
[12:16:54] <bit|fuuuud>	Xiong: is clearing the cache an option the wiki has?
[12:17:21] <Xiong>	it's sth you do from shell as the sysadmin
[12:17:30] <Xiong>	the kind of cache we're talking about here
[12:17:35] <Xiong>	so i believe
[12:17:40] <Bluegoblin7>	http://rafb.net/p/MsKEFq75.html
[12:17:51] <Xiong>	{{purge}} is just the page cache
[12:18:01] <Bluegoblin7>	http://rafb.net/p/MsKEFq75.html
[12:18:07] <Xiong>	if that would fix it, i wouldn't have had the problem in the first place
[12:18:14] *Xiong 	reads
[12:18:20] <Bluegoblin7>	woops, sorry i thought i hadnt posted it
[12:18:39] <Xiong>	uh, okay
[12:18:41] <Xiong>	you did
[12:18:50] <Xiong>	so, did you get the results you expected?
[12:18:57] <bit|fuuuud>	so just remove the files from the cache folder? okay i'll give it a try
[12:19:19] <Xiong>	i think there's a script for it
[12:19:29] <Xiong>	dunno what happens if you rip them out by hand
[12:19:31] <Xiong>	maybe fine
[12:19:43] <Xiong>	maybe nukular exploshun
[12:19:44] <Bluegoblin7>	no, it appears that sysops can still edit the page, and also that it still says its got sysop protection... but I assume thats changed by a MW page?
[12:19:52] <bit|fuuuud>	lol
[12:20:39] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: i would put no weight in the status of a page protected before you made your last change
[12:20:46] <Xiong>	do another
[12:20:55] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, sure
[12:21:06] <Xiong>	i assume you're switching back and forth among many alias usernames with different rights
[12:21:22] <Bluegoblin7>	yep
[12:21:54] <Xiong>	log in as a janitor, pick somebody -- like me maybe, who has no rights at all -- and look at the list of rights you can assign
[12:22:34] <Xiong>	then create a new page, click "protect", and look at the list of protection levels
[12:22:49] <Xiong>	i said that wrong
[12:22:59] <Xiong>	look at the list of groups you can assign a user to
[12:23:13] <Micthev>	Hello, sorry for my bad English, I can not see the buttons editions when you click on change at the top, I try but it is not how someone could help me?
[12:23:28] <Xiong>	the step in between, assigning rights to groups, is not on wiki, as we've learned
[12:24:06] <Xiong>	Micthev: javascript toolbar?
[12:24:57] <Micthev>	Xiong, I Think so .. the toolbar with the icon of B I U etc.
[12:26:51] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, it seems to be working now, sysops cannot edit or change protection, staff and developers and janitors (and of course FP) can
[12:26:52] <Micthev>	Xiong, 	
[12:26:52] <Micthev>	It is not displayed and I can not display the set is something else but I wish it already appears!
[12:27:10] *Xiong 	reads
[12:27:32] *Xiong 	googles
[12:27:47] <Bluegoblin7>	however if you try to edit it with an account that has the correct privs, it displays the locked sysop notice. is there a way to change or shall i just change the message?
[12:28:18] <CIA-56>	03grondin * r39581 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php LqtPages.php): 
[12:28:18] <CIA-56>	Adding news internationalization messages.
[12:28:18] <CIA-56>	Correcting english messages.
[12:28:30] <Xiong>	Micthev: this thing:
[12:28:33] <Xiong>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help%3AEditing_toolbar
[12:28:35] <Xiong>	?
[12:28:39] <Micthev>	Xiong, ?
[12:28:51] <Micthev>	Xiong, Yes
[12:29:11] <Micthev>	Xiong, It is not displayed and I can not display the set for this
[12:29:19] <Xiong>	well Bluegoblin7 wouldn't you say you're getting what you want?
[12:30:15] <Bluegoblin7>	yes it's just that one display issue, id prefer it if it didnt say "sysop" - it says it for all the protections - is there a way of changing the message to say just "locked"
[12:30:19] <Xiong>	Micthev: in [[Special:Preferences]], under the "Editing" tab, go look
[12:31:12] <Xiong>	and please tell me what you see in the box marked "Show edit toolbar (JavaScript)"
[12:31:14] <Micthev>	Xiong, nothing do you want url ?
[12:31:30] <Xiong>	sure, paste
[12:31:40] <Xiong>	i never use the thing myself
[12:32:09] <Micthev>	Xiong, http://www.gourmetpedia.fr
[12:32:35] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: it's a mediawiki page
[12:32:46] <Xiong>	not sure which one
[12:32:57] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks, i'l have a look
[12:33:01] <Bluegoblin7>	cheers for all ur help!
[12:33:01] <Xiong>	you can edit it if you can edit protected pages
[12:35:36] <Micthev>	Xiong, Do you see the problem?
[12:35:38] *Xiong 	looks
[12:38:15] <Werdna>	gah, merge conflict on RELEASE-NOTES
[12:39:03] <Xiong>	Micthev: i get the toolbar
[12:39:13] <Xiong>	check your user prefs again
[12:39:35] <Micthev>	Xiong, on the top or the bottom ?
[12:40:00] <Xiong>	in this order:
[12:40:11] <Xiong>	Pr?f?rences
[12:40:40] <Xiong>	Fen?tre de modification
[12:40:55] <Xiong>	Montrer la barre de menu de modification (JavaScript)
[12:41:20] <Xiong>	make sure that last box is checked, then press enregister les preferences
[12:41:52] <Micthev>	there is checked
[12:42:02] <Xiong>	Werdna: here is the fire axe
[12:42:07] <Micthev>	but I've nothing
[12:42:14] <Xiong>	really? how odd
[12:42:37] <Xiong>	i see it plainly
[12:42:38] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39582 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 12518) Interwiki userrights now reflects remote groups, not local groups.
[12:42:55] <Xiong>	you may have a browser problem, not a server problem
[12:43:02] <Xiong>	try clearing your local cache?
[12:43:15] <Werdna>	:)
[12:43:19] <Werdna>	cookies plz.
[12:43:26] <Xiong>	even start up a different browser
[12:43:40] *Xiong 	fetches werdna cookies
[12:43:42] <Micthev>	Xiong, I try
[12:44:08] <Xiong>	Werdna: http://cookiepedia.nfshost.com/index.php/User%3AXiong
[12:44:14] <Micthev>	Xiong, sames
[12:44:17] <Bluegoblin7>	sorry, just a quick one, is it possible to remove the /en suffix on the MediaWiki pages? we have several in the "main" page, rather than the subpage, and they won't work unless we move them, is it possible to remove this, or make the main ones the default, and also remove the language options until we are ready to provide the wiki in multiple lanuguages?
[12:44:17] <Xiong>	really?
[12:44:36] <Xiong>	i'm 99% sure it's not your server, because it works for me
[12:44:38] <Xiong>	i could be wrong
[12:45:07] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: never had that problem
[12:45:17] <Xiong>	i have simply ignored all languages at all times
[12:45:43] <Micthev>	Xiong, look http://www.monsterup.com/upload/1219063509.jpg
[12:45:49] <Xiong>	i fear this may be a basic install issue
[12:46:05] <Xiong>	way back when you installed the wiki for the first time, i think you pick a default language
[12:46:08] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, well i'm using the trunk version, updated yesterday, and I have many messages in my MediaWiki namespace that will not show up unless i move them to MediaWiki:Foobar/en
[12:46:08] <Xiong>	maybe you didn't
[12:46:18] <Bluegoblin7>	yeh we picked english, i'm sure of it...
[12:46:24] <Xiong>	the leading edge is the bleeding edge
[12:46:40] <Bluegoblin7>	if i didn't, can I re-install the wiki and keep users, content etc?
[12:47:18] <Bluegoblin7>	yeh i'm aware of that, luckily we're running an "enterprise" of wikis, utilising CentralAuth, and we have someone on there who knows loads more than me, who looks after all the issues etc
[12:47:25] <Micthev>	Xiong, I don't know why ?
[12:47:33] <Xiong>	Micthev: try turning it off, then
[12:47:42] <newmorning>	hello @ll
[12:47:45] <Xiong>	see what it looks like then
[12:47:48] <Freedo500>	hello all
[12:47:50] <Xiong>	gm nm
[12:47:57] <Micthev>	checked off ? Xiong  ???
[12:48:00] <Xiong>	gm frodo
[12:48:04] <Xiong>	where's the ring?
[12:48:10] <Xiong>	yes, turn it off
[12:48:20] <Freedo500>	Xiong: its freedo :P
[12:48:20] <Xiong>	what i said, turn on, turn it off
[12:48:31] <Xiong>	does that mean the one ring is free?
[12:48:39] <Freedo500>	8-)
[12:48:46] <Xiong>	i want my precious
[12:49:42] <Micthev>	Xiong,  same
[12:50:02] <Xiong>	good
[12:50:09] <Xiong>	now, turn it back on again?
[12:50:25] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:Any ideas?
[12:50:44] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r39583 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php: Allow use of +setting to add to that setting as it is (for arrays), rather than to replace it. Together with the previous commit to this file, we don't need to use groupOverrides/groupOverrides2 anymore
[12:50:49] <Micthev>	Xiong,  same :(
[12:50:57] <Freedo500>	i was wondering if you could help me with something? i have tried to customise the sidebar of my wiki with the JS code on here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar , but it doenst seem to be working, can u tell me why? the url of the wiki in question is www.wiki.sc4devotion.com
[12:51:02] <Xiong>	Micthev: :(
[12:51:25] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: I was thinking of doing that a week ago :)
[12:51:27] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: dunno -- downgrading your install may turn your DB to slush
[12:51:30] <Xiong>	or not
[12:51:53] <Bluegoblin7>	freedo500:try purging your browsers cache
[12:52:01] <Xiong>	heck, listen to the horror stories of those who upgraded
[12:52:02] <Freedo500>	nope, tried that
[12:52:11] <newmorning>	Anyone knows how I can correct this punbb autthentification here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:PunBB_Authentication
[12:52:24] <newmorning>	it just don't accept capital letters...
[12:52:27] <Xiong>	Micthev: that goes for you, too
[12:52:38] <Xiong>	try very hard to punch out your browser
[12:52:46] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: too bad :P
[12:52:46] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong: If I back everything up, remove the files, then reload it as if it was a new wiki, then re-add the backed up files and db, should it fix it?
[12:52:49] <Xiong>	it may be having ugly trouble
[12:53:07] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: I've fixed up all the mess so we can display the correct groups on Userrights for interwiki rights changes :)
[12:53:08] <Xiong>	dunno blue -- never risked it
[12:53:23] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500:I see the same as what is in MediaWiki:Sidebar
[12:53:31] <Xiong>	if you ask the devs they will say, sure go ahead, it's guaranteed right up until you drive it off the lot
[12:53:31] <Werdna>	Next target: make rights configurable on-site.
[12:53:34] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: that means I will have to rewrite all my dirty hacks for ConfigureWMF :)
[12:53:41] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: maybe :)
[12:53:50] <VasilievVV>	Which is intended to make them on-site configurable :)
[12:54:14] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:Ok, i think maybe this really does need a bug opening?
[12:54:28] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin: yeah, but there is supposed to be a link to the admin section added to the toolbox for users with the moderator or admin permissions, which doesnt appear
[12:54:42] <Xiong>	surely i agree
[12:54:46] <Micthev>	Xiong, it didn't work :(
[12:54:57] <Xiong>	all the default pages should rule in the default language
[12:55:19] <Xiong>	Micthev: did you try an entirely different browser?
[12:55:24] <Bluegoblin7>	freedo500:hold on a sec, im creating an account to see it from logged in perspective ;)
[12:55:28] <Xiong>	preferably on another machine
[12:55:41] <Xiong>	did you try creating a dummy account of your own?
[12:55:48] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:Can I change to default language? Trhough localsettings perhaps?
[12:56:04] <Micthev>	Xiong, yes i've try it on FF and IE
[12:56:42] <Xiong>	$wgLanguageCode = "en";
[12:56:57] <Xiong>	how about a dummy user account, mict?
[12:57:19] <Bluegoblin7>	freedo500:i don't see any links in MediaWiki:Sidebar adding pages to the toolbox - what did you edit? I believe you have to edit the pages in the root, i.e. the coded pages that you uploaded from mediawiki.org
[12:57:23] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:Thanks
[12:58:01] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:I already have that enabled, and it still demands /en
[12:58:14] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: right now, ConfigureWMF is already able to manage group rights. I only have to add $wg{Add,Remove}Groups there, and nice namespace manager
[12:58:17] <Xiong>	i say bug
[12:58:39] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin: i added the JS code from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar to MEdiwiki:common.js, which is supposed to add the links to the toolbox with restricted access
[12:59:48] <Xiong>	you mean you can change, say, MediaWiki:Whatlinkshere to 'OMG THE SKY IS FALLING'
[12:59:59] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:Ok, ill open one as well
[13:00:06] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:Huh?
[13:00:11] <Xiong>	and if you drive to your user prefs and select en, you see none of that?
[13:00:38] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500: i see no edits to MediaWiki:Common.js - did you save? This may be your issue
[13:00:38] <Xiong>	change [[MediaWiki:Whatlinkshere]] to 'OMG THE SKY IS FALLING'
[13:00:55] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[13:01:06] <Micthev>	I've create a dummy and It the same on IP it the same ... :(
[13:01:11] <Xiong>	go to your user prefs, choose fr, save, click main page, go to prefs again, choose en, save, click main page
[13:01:13] <Micthev>	Xiong, 
[13:01:19] <Xiong>	you should see nasty text at bottom
[13:01:28] <Xiong>	or maybe not, if you're using monobook
[13:01:34] <Xiong>	try cologneblue
[13:01:51] <Xiong>	i'm just saying, make an outragous edit to a piece of the interface you can't miss
[13:01:54] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin:yeah, i did can you not see code that ends with 
[13:01:57] <Freedo500>	Array.prototype.Contains = function(element,strict) {
[13:01:57] <Freedo500>	     for(i in this) {
[13:01:57] <Freedo500>	          if(this[i] == element && !strict) return true;
[13:01:57] <Freedo500>	               else if(this[i] === element) return true;
[13:01:57] <Freedo500>	          }
[13:01:58] <Freedo500>	     return false;
[13:02:00] <Freedo500>	 }
[13:02:18] <Bluegoblin7>	the one i'm doing ah yes sorry found it now ;)
[13:02:24] <Xiong>	Micthev?
[13:02:27] <Bluegoblin7>	ignore first part ;)
[13:03:05] <Micthev>	Xiong,  I try
[13:03:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: Support for rev_deleted in sql dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13930  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:03:29] <Xiong>	you tried creating a new user account, purging your browser, even switching browsers
[13:03:34] <Xiong>	and the problem didn't go away
[13:03:42] <Xiong>	i created a new account and i didn't see the problem
[13:03:48] <Xiong>	i confess, i'm clueless
[13:03:54] <Bluegoblin7>	it hasnt changed xiong, it still says What links here
[13:04:05] <Xiong>	i have no idea what is causing your problem, Micthev
[13:04:06] <Micthev>	Xiong, on blue colomn Ive
[13:04:33] <Xiong>	Bluegoblin7: bug
[13:04:37] <Xiong>	swat it
[13:04:47] <Micthev>	Xiong,  but not on my skin :(
[13:04:54] <Xiong>	use a heavy newspaper
[13:05:05] <Bluegoblin7>	Xiong:However, it does change with MediaWiki:Whatlinkshere/en
[13:05:06] <Xiong>	ah!
[13:05:15] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, will do ;)
[13:05:17] <Xiong>	that's a horse of a different color!
[13:05:24] <Xiong>	hang on Micthev
[13:05:51] <Micthev>	Xiong,  On monobook I've too but not in my skin why ????
[13:07:11] <Xiong>	oh, myskin
[13:07:28] <Micthev>	no it's a personnal skin
[13:08:06] <Xiong>	well that makes all the difference
[13:08:12] <Xiong>	problem with the skin file
[13:08:13] <Micthev>	and normaly it went to be the defaut skin and skins ca'nt to be change !
[13:08:40] <Micthev>	no because youy you see the button ?
[13:08:53] <Xiong>	you don't mean myskin, you mean snaphouston
[13:09:33] <Micthev>	yes snaphouston
[13:09:34] <Xiong>	and you're 100% right
[13:09:47] <Xiong>	no edit toolbar under snaphouston, not for me either
[13:10:01] <Xiong>	sorry
[13:10:09] <Micthev>	why ?
[13:10:15] <Xiong>	i thought you'd just done a little light coloring of monobook
[13:10:34] <Xiong>	snaphouston is not a MW skin, it is a third party skin
[13:10:41] <Xiong>	i don't even know where you got it
[13:10:51] <Xiong>	don't know who wrote it
[13:11:01] <Xiong>	a skin can be totally messed up, no guarantees
[13:11:10] <Xiong>	anybody can write a skin and pass it around
[13:11:17] <Micthev>	ok
[13:11:28] <Xiong>	i should have checked that sooner, didn't even think of it
[13:11:32] <Xiong>	sorry
[13:11:48] <Xiong>	here's my suggestion
[13:12:02] <Xiong>	this "snaphouston" is very much like monobook
[13:12:02] <Micthev>	do you think that I've to replace it with monobook and params monobook to skin my website ?
[13:12:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer should check for duplicated user interface ids - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13926  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:12:20] <Xiong>	what i would do is *copy* monobook
[13:12:27] <Xiong>	and be sure the copy is working correctly
[13:12:36] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin: any ideas yet?
[13:12:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki pages not displaying unless given language suffix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15224 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (bluegoblin)
[13:12:47] <Xiong>	give it a new name, such as "Micskin"
[13:12:50] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500:Sorry, no
[13:12:53] <Xiong>	check the copy thoroughly
[13:12:54] <Freedo500>	ah you were posting a bug lol
[13:12:59] <Xiong>	then edit the copy to suit yourself
[13:12:59] <Bluegoblin7>	ill have another look ;)
[13:13:15] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500:Sorry, that was a bug on my wiki, sorry if I confused you ;)
[13:13:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sanitizer should check for duplicated user interface ids - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13926  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:13:23] <Micthev>	Xiong, ok thanks
[13:13:27] <Xiong>	all you really may need to do is edit the background and some colors
[13:13:35] <Freedo500>	no i know, i just meant that explained the delay :)
[13:13:48] <Xiong>	you could just about get this effect in CSS without ever touching the PHP file
[13:13:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialUpload warning results in long buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13928  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:14:17] <Micthev>	Xiong, I've the touche the php file to add the adsenses
[13:14:21] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500: Ah yes ;)
[13:14:51] <Xiong>	well that's how i do it, too
[13:14:54] <Xiong>	very carefully
[13:14:54] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500: Could I have temp. admin access? I obviously can't see it can I ;).
[13:15:03] <Xiong>	i like it in the skin
[13:15:04] <Freedo500>	lol
[13:15:10] <Xiong>	but other ppl think i'm mad
[13:15:16] <Freedo500>	yeah i'll make you mod, you should be able to see it
[13:15:29] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, thanks
[13:15:31] <Xiong>	do the rest in CSS tho, no need to monkey with anything else
[13:15:49] <Xiong>	and work on a copy of monobook, not the original
[13:16:01] <Xiong>	when you're all done you can set skipskins in localsettings
[13:16:09] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin:k there you go
[13:16:09] <Xiong>	then there will be no choices
[13:16:38] <Xiong>	now i gotta get up, my butt is glued to the chair
[13:16:49] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500:Thanks. Ok, what I suggest is try it initially without the admin only code, and then see what happens
[13:16:56] <Freedo500>	ok
[13:17:11] <Bluegoblin7>	if it appears, then you can add in the relevent code, if not, then we can have another look
[13:17:46] <Micthev>	Xiong, ok thanks very much
[13:17:57] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin:yeah that works
[13:18:11] <Micthev>	Xiong, I've a lot of work to redo the skin :(
[13:18:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth problem with user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14914  +comment (10Andrew)
[13:18:19] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500:ok, what are your userrights defined as in LocalSettings.php
[13:18:34] <Freedo500>	take a look at special:userrights
[13:19:13] <Bluegoblin7>	i dont have permissions, but I got it through ListGroupRights ;)
[13:19:48] <Freedo500>	right, i didn't realise you needed permissions
[13:20:17] <Freedo500>	oh right, that was the page i meant
[13:20:22] <Freedo500>	just realised lol
[13:20:22] <Bluegoblin7>	Freedo500: No worries ;). Ok, if you add back in one of them, and see what happens
[13:21:25] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin:yeah that makes it dissappear
[13:21:47] <Freedo500>	hang on
[13:21:56] <Freedo500>	i may have been dumb
[13:21:58] <Bluegoblin7>	ok, try with one of the groups you want to be able to see it
[13:22:54] <Freedo500>	yeah i cant see it in the admin group
[13:23:02] <Freedo500>	which is what it should be vsisible for 
[13:23:05] <Freedo500>	and moderators
[13:23:56] <Bluegoblin7>	i can't see it either.... strange, i'd suggest opening a bug, or else checking your code with someone who knows more about coding than me!
[13:24:33] <Freedo500>	alrite
[13:24:37] <Freedo500>	thanks anyway
[13:25:03] <Bluegoblin7>	try removing the moderator one, and add 'admin', 'moderator'
[13:25:09] <Bluegoblin7>	to the admin one
[13:26:34] <Freedo500>	bluegoblin: nope, that didnt work
[13:26:43] <Freedo500>	i'll try it with just admin
[13:26:51] <Bluegoblin7>	ok
[13:27:22] <Freedo500>	nope still nothing
[13:27:26] <Bluegoblin7>	otherwise i'm afraid i have no idea... but i do still want to be part of the wiki, i like Sim City 4 a lot ;)
[13:27:28] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39584 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Fix for r39314 (adding the new toggles to $mToggles in User.php)
[13:27:35] <Bluegoblin7>	sorry then mate, try opening a bug
[13:27:43] <Freedo500>	cool, what are the chances of that?
[13:27:50] <Freedo500>	ok will do
[13:28:27] <Bluegoblin7>	exactly lol ;)
[13:28:53] <Bluegoblin7>	i won't be active for a while as i'm having headaches with my own wiki, as im sure your'e aware, but i'll be over at some stage ;)
[13:29:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add show updated marker preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13910  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:30:06] <Bluegoblin7>	anyhoo, bye all
[13:34:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lithuanian Wiktionary nead Extension:VariablesExtension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13894  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:37:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Name and ID for controls on the "hide revisions" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13893  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:37:38] <newmorning>	anyone to help me on that code, to allow upper case ? http://php.pastebin.com/d2a5a0893
[13:40:19] <jf>	ashighlight doesn't want to find my lang files :/
[13:40:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cleaning up user renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13889  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:41:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow cross-wiki renaming by stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10011  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:41:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki pages not displaying unless given language suffix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15224  (10N/A)
[13:43:55] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Allow cross-wiki renaming by stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10011  +comment (10vasilvv)
[13:47:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki pages not displaying unless given language suffix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15224  (10N/A)
[13:48:58] <CIA-56>	03catrope * r39585 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Diff.php DifferenceEngine.php HTMLDiff.php): (log message trimmed)
[13:48:58] <CIA-56>	Cleaned up HTMLDiff implementation for readability:
[13:48:58] <CIA-56>	* Coding style consistency and indentation
[13:48:58] <CIA-56>	* Removed unneccesary require_once(), the AutoLoader will load the right file automatically
[13:49:01] <CIA-56>	* sizeof -> count, TRUE -> true, FALSE -> false, NULL -> null
[13:49:03] <CIA-56>	* Use Xml:: functions
[13:49:05] <CIA-56>	* Rename TagNode::splitUntill() to splitUntil() and $hasNotDeletedDescendant to $hasNonDeletedDescendant
[13:49:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users whose names are invalid titles cannot be renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12654  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:50:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve log message for Renameuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13567  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:50:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cleaning up user renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13889  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:50:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add an option for strict account renaming - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14762  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:53:37] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: believe it or not, I just finished.
[13:53:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Open Bugzilla to search spiders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13881   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[13:54:08] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: with what?
[13:54:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Emailuser should have an input form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13879  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:54:57] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: grouprights on the wiki :)
[13:55:11] <VasilievVV>	So did I a month ago :)
[13:55:13] <Werdna>	it wasn't hard at all.
[13:55:21] <Werdna>	yeah, but I do it properly :)
[13:55:55] <VasilievVV>	But I still haven't commited ConfigureWMF, because it lacks namespace manager
[13:55:58] <Werdna>	fully backwards-compatible, stored in the database with file and memcached caches.
[13:56:10] <^demon>	siebrand: I didn't forget. I was playfully ignoring it ;-)
[13:56:12] <VasilievVV>	Does it also have add/remove groups change?
[13:56:19] <VasilievVV>	And support crosswiki changes?
[13:56:29] <siebrand>	^demon: I'm AGF-ing ;)
[13:56:51] <siebrand>	^demon: don't spoil it...
[13:57:29] <Werdna>	it doesn't do either of those.
[13:57:33] <Werdna>	the second is unnecessary
[13:57:36] <Werdna>	the first, I'll get to.
[13:57:47] <Werdna>	it's not totally finished
[13:57:50] <Werdna>	but the main functionality is
[13:57:55] <Werdna>	most I stole from centralauth :)
[13:58:06] <Werdna>	I also need to make centralauth a subclass, needing more work
[13:58:19] <^demon>	siebrand: And fwiw, the VariablesExtension extension is PD.
[13:58:20] <^demon>	"This dead simple extension was written by Rob Adams, and he has released it into the public domain."
[13:58:55] <siebrand>	^demon: didn't check the code. only the info box.
[13:59:09] <^demon>	It says like on the 3rd line of the page ;-)
[13:59:18] <siebrand>	^demon: oh, and i did a page search for 'license'.
[13:59:37] <siebrand>	^demon: 1800 open issues to go ;)
[14:00:35] *^demon 	wonders how many bugs he will get assigned, simply because he commented on them 6+ months ago
[14:00:36] *VasilievVV 	looks at Werdna, throws out a huge part of his code and goes ahead with namespace manager :)
[14:00:50] <Werdna>	Also, currently changes are additive
[14:01:03] <Werdna>	you can grant rights not granted in the config, but you can't revoke rights which are granted in the config.
[14:01:06] <Werdna>	I'm leaving that as-is for now.
[14:01:21] <Werdna>	anyway, midnight.
[14:01:25] <VasilievVV>	Bye :)
[14:01:26] <Werdna>	Time for a wikitech-l post, then bed.
[14:02:00] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: why don't you add ability to remove rights?
[14:02:12] <Werdna>	because 1/ Extra work :)
[14:02:26] <VasilievVV>	Not really
[14:02:27] <Werdna>	2/ Goes away from model of deny,allow in Wikimedia.
[14:02:44] <Werdna>	I will mention it in my post.
[14:03:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Book notes by page, paragraph and line for a particular ISBN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13873  -crosswiki -schema-change ; +comment (10siebrand)
[14:05:27] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: the thing why I would like to see it crosswikily is that stewards won't be able to create groups globally, or site-wide (e.g. for all wikinews)
[14:05:42] <Werdna>	that is pretty nifty.
[14:06:08] <Werdna>	But that sounds like a job for global groups, no?
[14:06:53] <VasilievVV>	No. If e.g. we want to create a group ipblock-exempt on all sites, it won't be possible
[14:07:37] <Werdna>	oh I see, per-wiki.
[14:08:04] <NicDumZ>	woohoo, the more you wait to merge a branch, the less it's funny
[14:08:17] <Werdna>	That is kinda nasty. We'll see how we go with this
[14:08:24] <Werdna>	remember I'm only like an hour into development.
[14:09:13] <VasilievVV>	As I told you, it idles in my working copy for about a month
[14:09:48] <VasilievVV>	I will clean it up and commit today, though it isn't still working
[14:10:58] <VasilievVV>	Anyway, gotta go now 
[14:15:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow global renaming of SUL accounts by stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15225 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (thogol)
[14:19:25] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39586 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Use colon-separator message after summary, summary-preview, subject and subject-preview instead of hardcoding a ":" after it
[14:19:43] *ialex 	waves to Jack_Phoenix
[14:19:52] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves back to ialex :-)
[14:19:57] <ialex>	rar :D
[14:20:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	<g>
[14:32:47] <newmorning>	is there any way to hack Mediawiki php maintenance scripts to use them without console or SSH access ?
[14:33:56] <^demon>	newmorning: Not really, no.
[14:34:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add show updated marker preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13910  +comment (10webboy)
[14:36:28] <newmorning>	^demon : that means mediawiki is not really the best choice for a remote server with no SSH access, is it ?
[14:37:31] <newmorning>	I mean database might reach sizes that cannot be handled at some point...
[14:38:06] <newmorning>	especially through phpMyAdmin :)
[14:39:13] <^demon>	newmorning: Nope.
[14:40:35] <newmorning>	Too bad, my wikipedia fans where enthousiastic to the idea of using the same soft for our (small) needs.
[14:45:04] <CIA-56>	03dantman * r39587 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:45:05] <CIA-56>	Committing today's work the LinkHooks' new parser.
[14:45:05] <CIA-56>	Don't expect this to work completely yet, there is likely going to be a lot of refactoring before a final version is complete.
[14:45:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15223  (10sadik.khalid)
[14:48:40] <SB_Johnny>	anyone able to answer a silly question?
[14:49:35] <mikedub>	you may get a silly answer
[14:49:43] <SB_Johnny>	can I put whatever text I want in "MediaWiki:Loginreqpagetext"
[14:49:44] <SB_Johnny>	?
[14:49:59] <SB_Johnny>	I don't know what to do with the $1 thing
[14:51:20] <Duesentrieb>	the $1 is replaqced by "something". on a page related to login, i expect it's going to be the user name.
[14:51:23] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39588 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php: Avoid notices: Before checking if retval is an array, check if it is defined.
[14:51:23] <RichiH>	i know there is a way to change on what string lengths you can search
[14:51:28] <RichiH>	but i forgot how to do this
[14:51:31] <RichiH>	any hints?
[14:51:38] <Duesentrieb>	finding out what it actually is will take some experimentation, that's sadly not documented :)
[14:52:10] <SB_Johnny>	it goes to Special:Login with a return path on the default
[14:52:11] <Duesentrieb>	RichiH: look into the mysql manual for fulltext indexes. this is not really a mediawiki restriction, but a mysel thing.
[14:52:22] <RichiH>	Duesentrieb: thanks!
[14:52:36] <RichiH>	(that is why i could not find it in local settings, duh)
[14:52:38] <Duesentrieb>	SB_Johnny: so perhaps $1 is replaced by the return path?
[14:52:44] <SB_Johnny>	so if there's not a page in the manual about it, should I make one once I figure it out?
[14:53:10] <Duesentrieb>	SB_Johnny: for every system message? look at Special:Allmessages to see how many tehre are :)
[14:53:24] <SB_Johnny>	well not exactly, the default is "You must $1 to view other pages"
[14:53:24] <Duesentrieb>	SB_Johnny: but if you see a manual page about login, maybe you could describe it there.
[14:53:52] <SB_Johnny>	yeah, that's the page I'm looking at
[14:53:59] <SB_Johnny>	it just tells the default
[14:54:14] <Duesentrieb>	ah... well... i expect the $1 is replaced by another message. which says something like "be logged in" 
[14:54:21] <SB_Johnny>	ooooh, so just follow the redlink there and say what I know?
[14:54:24] <Duesentrieb>	but might also say something else, depending on how permissions are configured
[14:54:33] <Duesentrieb>	uh, what?
[14:54:54] <Duesentrieb>	no, that red link would allow you to change the actual message
[14:55:04] *SB_Johnny 	has a phone call
[14:55:41] <Duesentrieb>	SB_Johnny: if you really want to document messages, do so on http://translatewiki.net
[14:55:50] <CIA-56>	03guyvdb * r39589 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Diff.php HTMLDiff.php): Using referenses inside of foreach loops.
[14:55:52] <Duesentrieb>	they have a special feature for that+
[15:00:39] <^demon>	SB_Johhny: $1 in Loginreqpagetext is replaced by a link to the login page.
[15:04:23] <SB_Johnny>	^demon: so I can just do "blah blah blah $1, blah [link blah] blah"?
[15:05:28] <SB_Johnny>	or Duesentrieb ?
[15:05:32] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: "+setting" should be applied on per-setting basis ("+wgGroup
[15:05:41] <^demon>	If you want to add an additional link other than the one to the login page, sure. A link to the login page would be redundant (unless you removed $1, which you can do if you _really_ wanna)
[15:05:43] <Duesentrieb>	SB_Johnny: thast's the idea
[15:05:55] <SB_Johnny>	ok, thanks
[15:06:02] <VasilievVV>	Permissions" => array( 'aawiki' => array( ... ), 'bbwiki' => array( ... ) ))
[15:06:25] <SB_Johnny>	it's a private site, so I'd want to leave a link explaining why they can't log in :-)
[15:07:11] <SB_Johnny>	and there are links from whitelisted pages... just want to be polite.
[15:07:15] <SB_Johnny>	thanks fellas!
[15:08:33] <Jhs>	is dale here
[15:08:35] <Jhs>	?
[15:08:42] <Micthev>	Xiong ????
[15:09:13] <Micthev>	Xiong, Thanks very much that work very good you can go to see if you want !
[15:13:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  (10N/A)
[15:22:13] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39590 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Remove DB logic from SearchEngine. New method in Database and associated subclasses called getSearchEngine() does this now.
[15:22:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow hiding revisions when rendering Special:Undelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13868  +comment (10siebrand)
[15:23:58] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39591 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[15:27:17] <tstaerk>	hi, how can I force mediawiki to print a toc?
[15:27:24] <RoanKattouw>	tstaerk: __TOC__
[15:27:46] <tstaerk>	thanks!
[15:30:16] <ialex>	^demon: for r39590: maybe DatabaseSqlite should have getSearchEngine() that returns SearchEngineDummy
[15:33:37] <^demon>	ialex: Maybe. What if I made Database::getSearchEngine() return SearchEngineDummy, and make DatabaseMysql return SearchMySQL? I only didn't do that because of the continued lack of split between Database and DatabaseMysql.
[15:34:24] <ialex>	^demon: last time somebody put something in DatabaseMysql, brion reverted it
[15:34:43] <^demon>	That would be me ;-)
[15:35:08] <ialex>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=36936
[15:35:27] <ialex>	^demon: yes :D
[15:36:45] <ialex>	DatabaseMssql too
[15:36:56] <^demon>	Done.
[15:37:06] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39592 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/ (DatabaseMssql.php DatabaseSqlite.php): No-ops for getSearchEngine().
[15:37:19] <ialex>	thank you!
[15:38:15] <ialex>	we should make DatabaseMysqli one day
[15:39:10] <^demon>	We should make Database and DatabaseMysql separate one day too ;-)
[15:40:04] *^demon 	prays for the day Database is an abstract class...
[15:40:54] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: I don't think that's gonna happen. There's a large overlap between the Database* classes because database systems are much alike (they all use SQL, for one thing)
[15:42:08] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: True.
[15:42:50] <Dantman>	ialex: ^_^ I poked for mysqli some time ago
[15:42:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki links to other languages doesn' t use the corresponding font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13867  +comment (10siebrand)
[15:43:29] <Dantman>	It's especially good for PHP 6 compat since there is a new backend being developed
[15:43:49] <ialex>	class DatabaseMysqli extends DatabaseMysql { ... }
[15:44:04] <Dantman>	mysqli and the db objects will have it, but the old mysql will still be the c client
[15:44:13] <ialex>	there isn't a lot of methods to re-implement
[15:44:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show TOC on Special:SpecialPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13862  +comment (10siebrand)
[15:45:00] <Dantman>	^_^ My own Database abstraction system actually has a Database -> Database_MySQL -> Database_MySQLi structure, ;) but only the Database_MySQLi works
[15:46:13] <Dantman>	time for sleep
[15:46:24] <^demon>	siebrand: I swear, one more bug.....
[15:47:06] <nlarson>	which file has the code for rendering existing pages as blue wikilinks and nonexisting pages as red
[15:47:20] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Preferences option over preload and editintro parameters. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13857  +comment (10siebrand)
[15:47:22] <RoanKattouw>	nlarson: Linker.php
[15:47:30] <siebrand>	^demon: just wait and see. And just don't get revered!
[15:47:30] <RoanKattouw>	But the blue/red distinction is in CSS
[15:47:41] <RoanKattouw>	LOL
[15:47:58] <RoanKattouw>	Hail ^demon, hail ^demon, ...
[15:52:14] <newmorning>	^demon : I'm just wondering : what make these maintenance scripts so useless from a navigator ? Many php maintenances script are used from navigator, starting with installation scripts...
[15:52:49] *^demon 	shrugs
[15:52:57] <^demon>	They were just made that way originally.
[15:53:00] <RoanKattouw>	newmorning: Maintenance scripts usually need more than a few seconds to run, in which case they'll violate the maximum execution time and are killed prematurely
[15:53:08] <RoanKattouw>	when called from a browser
[15:53:10] <^demon>	^ There you go
[15:53:16] <RoanKattouw>	But that maximum doesn't apply at the command line
[15:53:50] <newmorning>	thanks RaonKattouw, I'll explain that to my deceived users
[15:57:02] <nlarson>	oh, common.css? do you mean the code for determining whether it will be x or y color is in the linker.php, but the specification of x being red and y blue is in the css?
[15:57:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) RecentChanges items should have alternating background colours - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14468  +comment (10brion)
[15:58:00] <VasilievVV>	oh
[15:58:03] <VasilievVV>	hello brion
[15:59:49] <RoanKattouw>	nlarson: Exactly
[16:00:04] <RoanKattouw>	That way you can change the colors without changing the code
[16:00:10] <RoanKattouw>	Hi Brion
[16:00:15] <RoanKattouw>	Schema updates done yet? ;)
[16:00:34] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Turn wikilinks different colors depending on a page' s presence on this wiki AND another specified wiki (e.g. Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15159  +comment (10nathanlarson3141)
[16:01:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Turn wikilinks different colors depending on a page' s presence on this wiki AND another specified wiki (e.g. Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15159  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:01:44] <RoanKattouw>	nlarson: See bug; Linker::makeLink() and friends handle that
[16:01:45] <nlarson>	yeah, basically i am going to add code that, while retaining the red/blue functionality, will also turn links green if they are present on another wiki
[16:02:17] <nlarson>	thus, it could be set up so that if a page on wikipedia, for instance, links to meta, then it will turn green if that page exists on meta, and will be red if it doesn't
[16:02:28] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I get the idea
[16:02:41] <RoanKattouw>	You will have to figure out a way to check for the page's existence on the other wiki
[16:02:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow global renaming of SUL accounts by stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15225  +comment (10wikipedia_emails-nachfrage)
[16:03:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14862  +comment (10wikipedia_emails-nachfrage)
[16:04:36] <nlarson>	my thought is that a one-time dump of all the page names on the other wiki could be obtained and put in a file, and then synced up by checking page deletions and page creations periodically
[16:05:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14024   +schema-change; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:05:21] <RoanKattouw>	nlarson: How about using the API?
[16:05:50] <^demon>	Roan: I don't think the crosswiki API will require a schema change necessarily.
[16:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Turn wikilinks different colors depending on a page' s presence on this wiki AND another specified wiki (e.g. Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15159  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:06:06] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: It would be more reliable
[16:06:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14024  (10roan.kattouw)
[16:06:33] <^demon>	And I'd hesitate to use the iw table, as it's not necessarily a MW install that's an IW. I was thinking more along the lines of a config array, a-la $wgForeignFileRepos.
[16:06:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges items should have alternating background colours - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14468  (10siebrand)
[16:06:57] <RoanKattouw>	That could work
[16:07:18] <^demon>	I'll clean up the basic ideas I was playing with and shoot those two you in the next few days or so.
[16:07:36] <RoanKattouw>	nlarson: Something like http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Manual:Database_layout|dfsdf
[16:09:18] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Also, I was looking at something for Foreign Repos. How hard would it be to have a parseable thingie on image pages that could return a free-content="true|false" for the API. Want to make the foreign repo respect that and not import non-free medias.
[16:09:49] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: I suggest you write an extension for that
[16:10:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges items should have alternating background colours - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14468  (10siebrand)
[16:10:34] <nlarson>	i'm totally new to developing mediawiki software (and php in general) although i'm experienced with editing mediawikis and OOP such as java - i wonder, is this type of project considered pretty advanced? maybe i should start out with something simpler?
[16:11:00] <RoanKattouw>	nlarson: Yes, you probably should
[16:11:08] <RoanKattouw>	!man How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker | nlarson 
[16:11:08] --mwbot--	nlarson: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[16:11:18] <RoanKattouw>	Argh
[16:11:27] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[16:11:45] <nlarson>	thx
[16:12:32] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Good idea.
[16:15:23] <RoanKattouw>	^demon|away: There was a question on mediawiki-api recently about extending rvprop, you might wanna read that
[16:18:24] <AphelionZ>	Is problematically  adding a page to your watchlist as simple as adding it to the _watch database table?
[16:18:47] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: I believe so
[16:18:58] <AphelionZ>	ok cool, thanks
[16:19:09] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: Watchlist table
[16:19:23] <AphelionZ>	right, didnt know it off the top of my head
[16:19:33] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: Is that for an MW extension? Because MW has functions for that
[16:20:15] <RoanKattouw>	$article->doWatch();
[16:20:30] <AphelionZ>	its for my site, which uses the API as the main interface to the wiki
[16:21:19] <AphelionZ>	im just trying to make a watch / unwatch function and while it seems to work on the API side of things when i view the pages with regular old mediawiki it doesnt appear to take
[16:21:20] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39593 10/trunk/phase3/math/texutil.ml: (bug 13856) Make Greek omicron available in math notation. Patch by Colin Hall
[16:21:29] <AphelionZ>	i'll check out the doWatch function though :)
[16:21:39] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: Are you extending the API or something?
[16:21:46] <AphelionZ>	noo
[16:21:51] <AphelionZ>	just making some functions outside of it
[16:22:05] <RoanKattouw>	OK so how do you access those functions?
[16:22:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Greek omicron not available in math notation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13856  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:22:18] <RoanKattouw>	from the API
[16:22:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setup new groups in no.wikibooks and access to Special: Userrights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13853  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:24:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate Special:CrossNameSpaceLinks and Special: WantedPages on Swedish Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13852  summary; +comment (10siebrand)
[16:25:17] <AphelionZ>	no.. i dont
[16:25:33] <AphelionZ>	i just sort of repliacate them
[16:25:44] <AphelionZ>	i know its kludgey but so far its been working
[16:26:10] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: It's probably better and easier to make an extension to the API
[16:26:39] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: Are you putting pages on your own watchlist or on others'?
[16:27:40] <RoanKattouw>	AphelionZ: In the former case, index.php?action=watch&title=Foo will do
[16:27:52] <AphelionZ>	there's a watch action?
[16:27:54] <AphelionZ>	its not documented
[16:27:59] <AphelionZ>	or is that what you mean by an extension
[16:28:03] <RoanKattouw>	No, it's there
[16:28:08] <AphelionZ>	oh wow
[16:28:10] <AphelionZ>	ok
[16:28:12] <AphelionZ>	cool
[16:28:14] <RoanKattouw>	That's what the "watch" tab above a page points to
[16:28:42] <RoanKattouw>	You do get all kinds of HTML thrown back in your face so there *should* be a watch action in the API (will file that at Bugzilla), but this works for now
[16:28:54] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX)  Use listboxes instead of comboboxes for reason in deletion and protection dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13843  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:28:57] <AphelionZ>	ok cool, thanks
[16:29:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) media wiki forgets your logged in. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11198  (10ryan.fuerst)
[16:29:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) action=watch should be added to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15226 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (roan.kattouw)
[16:31:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cite interfering with other extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13841  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:32:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cite interfering with other extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13841  (10siebrand)
[16:32:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Zh traditional/simplified conversion for NON rendered HTML too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13840  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:33:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) action=upload should be added to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15227 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (roan.kattouw)
[16:35:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Statistics should add link to Special:Listusers?group= sysop etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11029  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits.js fix Formating of buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13837  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:49:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Odd behavior of "redirects" parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15228 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (b-jorsch)
[17:00:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FCKeditor extension (WYSIWYG): new hook needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13821  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:06:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Render file links in the dupe files list like links from wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14148  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[17:07:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a nbsp before colon in the comment of page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13815  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:11:44] <Guest777>	Hi all. I have question:  When wiki send email notification?
[17:19:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:20:44] <maxxxxx>	hello there, i would like to know how i can change the backgroundcolor of the areas at the top of the wiki welcome page (the ones with the links "Article", "Discussion", "View source" and "History")
[17:22:25] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39594 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: 
[17:22:25] <CIA-56>	Fix regression from r39373: * marks were changed to *? , which broke the colon
[17:22:25] <CIA-56>	in comments because the regexp did not recognize the post text. Reverting to the
[17:22:25] <CIA-56>	original regexp. Tested on some comments (as well as on
[17:22:25] <CIA-56>	Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/de mentioned in the previous commit), but if it
[17:22:28] <CIA-56>	breaks anything, please revert and fix in another way.
[17:26:19] <maxxxxx>	is really noone able to answer my question, or isn't clear what i want to know?
[17:27:15] <siebrand>	maxxxxx: check which class it uses (or whatever thing you can format with css)
[17:27:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=upload should be added to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15227  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[17:27:39] <siebrand>	maxxxxx: then add some css code for it in [[MediaWiki:Commons.css]].
[17:29:26] <maxxxxx>	thx, i already tried to find out, but i wasn't able to find were the id "ca-talk" (for example) is defined
[17:30:01] <Jon_D>	you guys dont use ajax and this is very poor programming of yourself.
[17:30:19] <php6th>	Jon_D: ajax is homo
[17:30:41] <Linuxbeak>	He's not in here ;-)
[17:30:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cleaning up user renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13889  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:30:55] <Linuxbeak>	anyway, a serious question. Anyone have any experience exporting kwiki to MediaWiki?
[17:31:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) False positives on Special:DoubleRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13808   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[17:32:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Failing importe all history with [[Special:Import]] on French Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13807  +comment (10siebrand)
[17:36:15] <AaronSchulz>	logs broke
[17:38:24] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39595 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialLog.php: Revert r39518. Fucks up type selector. Does anybody test this stuff?
[17:49:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Searches that include a number as a term always return no results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15229 major; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (reed)
[17:52:02] <wikibugs>	14(DUP)  Searches that include a number as a term always return no results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15229  +comment (10brion)
[17:52:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't search for numbers (no numerical search) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42  +comment (10brion)
[17:52:19] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39596 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.php: Cleanup display of old entries (bug 13889)
[17:53:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Cleaning up user renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13889  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:55:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message 'Renameusererrortoomany' needs plural support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15205  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:55:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't search for numbers (no numerical search) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10brion)
[17:59:04] <^demon>	siebrand: Ping
[18:01:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add an option for strict account renaming - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14762  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:01:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message 'Renameusererrortoomany' needs plural support - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15205  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:04:02] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39597 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Autopromote.php: Testing commit access, per report. Minor whitespace change.
[18:04:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Listusers lacks capitalisation for status of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15230 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (sunstar.nwxp)
[18:08:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message 'Renameusererrortoomany' needs plural support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15205  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:09:48] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39598 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Check $uid in query as well
[18:09:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add an option for strict account renaming - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14762  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:11:57] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39599 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialLog.php: Restore r39518 with fix. No need to be snarky :/
[18:12:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message 'Renameusererrortoomany' needs plural support - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15205  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:14:37] <Platonides>	AaronSchulz, is r39598
[18:14:43] <Platonides>	inconditionally checking the uid?
[18:15:03] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[18:15:16] <Platonides>	then i should start renaming before teh scap
[18:15:26] <Platonides>	or at least check if i need to :)
[18:15:48] <AaronSchulz>	are you renaming non-existent users?
[18:16:00] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r39600 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[18:16:00] <CIA-56>	Re-committing 37663 for the new release, per old Wikitech-l discussion.
[18:16:00] <CIA-56>	* (bug 13815) In the comment for page moves, use the colon-separator message instead of a hardcoded colon.
[18:16:00] <CIA-56>	* So that this works properly, don't escape HTML entities in edit summaries. I
[18:16:01] <CIA-56>	don't see any good reason for them to be escaped there. Of course, this may
[18:16:03] <CIA-56>	result in old edit summaries displaying slightly differently if for some reason
[18:16:05] <CIA-56>	they included an entity, but in that case there's at least a 50% chance that
[18:16:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a nbsp before colon in the comment of page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13815  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:16:30] <Platonides>	AaronSchulz, i want to split old usernames registered later by vandals
[18:16:56] <Platonides>	although in this case i need to wait after the scap
[18:17:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't search for numbers (no numerical search) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42  (10reed)
[18:18:35] <Krimpet>	Someone brought up a good point to me earlier - isn't the "Chick" skin's name a tad misleading? wouldn't something like "Small Screen" be a better name for it?
[18:20:04] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39601 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/ (SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php SpecialRenameuser.php): pretty up log some (bug 13567)
[18:20:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) can't search for numbers (no numerical search) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42  (10reed)
[18:20:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Improve log message for Renameuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13567  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:22:00] <Seiken>	Could someone point me to a page that will explain how to get an Infobox to display? I can't find anything relevant on the mediawiki web site. My Infobox just shows up as red text saying "Template:Infoxbox Person"
[18:22:32] <siebrand>	^demon: pong!
[18:22:45] <Krimpet>	Seiken: infoboxes are templates; you'd need to create the appropriate templates first
[18:23:20] <Seiken>	Krimpet: ah, this is something I've completely missed. I thought they were just built into mediawiki.
[18:23:27] <Krimpet>	oh, no, they're just a set of templates on enwiki; not a MW feature. :)
[18:24:02] <Seiken>	Is there a way to copy their Person Infobox?
[18:24:37] <Krimpet>	try taking a look at the code for each Template: on enwiki
[18:24:48] <^demon>	siebrand: You /msg'd me about a bug. I closed the window by mistake. Happen to remember the #?
[18:25:00] <Seiken>	Krimpet: I will look into it. Thanks very much.
[18:25:32] <siebrand>	^demon: 13812
[18:25:49] *AaronSchulz 	snarks
[18:25:51] <^demon>	ty
[18:26:49] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: thanks for those fixes to Renameuser.
[18:29:10] <^demon>	13812 is icky :(
[18:29:58] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39602 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Add PLURAL (bug 15205)
[18:30:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Message 'Renameusererrortoomany' needs plural support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15205  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:30:33] <siebrand>	wee! He's doing them all :)
[18:30:40] <Krimpet>	^demon: your suggestion there for something like '$uploadPath' sounds reasonable
[18:31:02] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Corrupted log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13013  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[18:31:05] <^demon>	Krimpet: Yeah, too bad the 'filerenameerror' is scattered in several places ;-)
[18:31:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cleaning up user renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13889  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[18:31:16] <AaronSchulz>	Krimpet: sowy :(
[18:31:35] <Krimpet>	AaronSchulz: oh, no problem :)
[18:32:16] <AaronSchulz>	I was changing renamuser log-related code, then I saw breakage, and was trying to find out what I broke, then noticed it was some basic bug in the core
[18:32:37] <AaronSchulz>	always makes me crazy when stuff like that happens I guess
[18:32:37] <Krimpet>	I made a mistake when I added that stuff to SpecialLog - copied code from SpecialListusers, but forgot to change 'group' to 'type'
[18:32:51] <Seiken>	sorry to bother about this again, but how do I view the source of a template on enwiki?
[18:33:04] <MZMcBride>	Click "edit this page" or "view source".
[18:33:11] <AaronSchulz>	happened the other day with flaggedrevs refactoring too ;)
[18:33:18] <AaronSchulz>	the bug was in parser
[18:33:37] <Seiken>	MZMcBride: there is no edit page because it is protected
[18:33:47] <MZMcBride>	You can click 'view source' though.
[18:34:07] <Krimpet>	ah I know that feeling AaronSchulz, I fixed complete breakage in interwiki links in the parser the other day. :)
[18:35:13] <Seiken>	so I can just view the page source, and copy/paste the whole thing to use the template on my own wiki?
[18:35:20] <^demon>	Krimpet: You're more than welcome to take it if you'd like.
[18:35:26] <MZMcBride>	Seiken: Yeah, pretty much.
[18:35:31] <^demon>	siebrand: I'll pass. I'm not seeing a quick-and-easy fix for this ;-)
[18:35:35] <Seiken>	okay, thanks
[18:35:36] <MZMcBride>	Though you should probably retain attribution.
[18:35:44] <Krimpet>	^demon: sure, I'll take a whack. :)
[18:38:02] <Krimpet>	for security purposes, shouldn't we dispense with the filenames altogether?
[18:38:28] <MZMcBride>	File names or file paths?
[18:38:54] <Krimpet>	both the temporary file name/path, and the final file path
[18:39:50] <Krimpet>	hmm, well I guess the path within images/ is pretty much public though
[18:40:55] <siebrand>	^demon: np. Can you add the options you explored? It may help later on.
[18:42:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mediawiki connects to centralauth database for logged in users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13801  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:42:03] <^demon>	Well, the only time filerenameerror is called that matters is in FSRepo (the other instances are in OutputPage and UploadMogile). The 4 instances are passed different source/dest filenames, and each one of the dest filenames need updating to be more useful for the error.
[18:42:42] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Cleaning up user renames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13889  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:43:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14024  (10nathanlarson3141)
[18:43:26] <Krimpet>	I'm a bit confused as to how 'public/' is getting in there
[18:43:33] <Xiong>	Seiken: copying a template is nontrivial
[18:43:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users whose names are invalid titles cannot be renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12654  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:43:53] <^demon>	Krimpet: You and me both ;-)
[18:43:55] <Xiong>	that is, a large and complex template
[18:44:09] <MZMcBride>	Xiong: Well, the list of templates at the bottom of the page helps a great deal.
[18:44:18] <Xiong>	indeed
[18:44:31] <Xiong>	that covers dependencies
[18:44:45] <Xiong>	Seiken: are you up on dependencies?
[18:44:48] <Xiong>	that's one
[18:45:09] <Krimpet>	^demon: looks like 'public' is a "zone" type...
[18:45:11] <MZMcBride>	The most common issues with templates copied from en.wiki are: ParserFunctions, HTMLTidy, and template and CSS dependencies. 
[18:45:12] <Xiong>	i was thinking of a couple other issues too
[18:45:34] <Xiong>	well, what about function?
[18:45:48] <Seiken>	Xiong: no, I just installed mediawiki today. I am new to the whole thing.
[18:46:05] <^demon>	Krimpet: Whatever the heck that means :-P
[18:46:10] <Xiong>	that is, prima facie, if you want an infobox that works exactly like one on WP, it's because you're writing a WP article
[18:46:35] <Xiong>	seiken, i suggest that it is possible that you are jumping into the deep end of the pool with both feet
[18:46:54] <Xiong>	check this:
[18:47:15] <siebrand>	spam...
[18:47:18] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox&action=edit
[18:47:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow exporting pages in printable document format (PDF) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:47:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export does not support IfModifiedSince - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1558  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:47:45] <Xiong>	that is actually pretty basic stuff, i use the same few tricks over and over
[18:47:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow exporting pages in Oasis format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3042  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:47:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export return 404 on non-existant pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export titles matching a wildcard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3760  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import/Export should support zipped XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3893  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:11] <Xiong>	you may have some difficulty teasing apart the functionality you want from the stuff you don't, if you start right there from a standing start
[18:48:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support exporting content in DocBook format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4073  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export specified revisions of a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4837  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:34] <Xiong>	i don't want to be negative
[18:48:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow for exporting pages with substituted transclusions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5065  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Indicate if an import failed due to revision limit on export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6646  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:47] <Xiong>	maybe you're the kinda guy who likes to get wet fast
[18:48:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ODF export function desired - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7627  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:48:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Export support for exporting whole categories and their sub-categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9108  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:49:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialExport.php with category and template links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9167  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:49:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export should use the table "page_restrictions" and not the field of the table "page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9226  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:49:13] <Seiken>	Xiong: yeah, I have a programming background, so once I know where to start, I should be okay.
[18:49:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow Special:Export to work with converted aliases (for Chinese , Kazakh, ...) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9419  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:49:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export fuction doesn't work with apache modul mod_gzip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9997  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:49:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export pages should allow to export all pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10574  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:49:54] <Krimpet>	Seiken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export might be a a big help, too
[18:49:56] <Xiong>	well, if you ask, i'll tell you the three weirdest things about template syntax, imo
[18:50:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Export should have an option to export with the sites license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14048  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:50:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add image data option to Special:Export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:50:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Hooks to SpecialImport and SpecialExport - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11539  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:50:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export pages matching a regular expression - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10568  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:51:14] <Seiken>	Xiong: haha, okay. consider me asking then.
[18:51:22] <Seiken>	and Krimpet: thanks
[18:52:00] <Xiong>	1) basically, {|} are the only delimiters that play a real big part
[18:52:22] <Xiong>	and {{foo}} means call foo and {{{foo}}} means pass foo
[18:52:39] <Xiong>	more or less
[18:53:30] <Xiong>	2) parameters can be passed by name or by order
[18:53:59] <Xiong>	3) the most important and useful template functions are not core but part of extension:parserfunctions
[18:54:11] *MZMcBride 	nods.
[18:54:34] <Xiong>	4) properly functioning sophisticade template code often has no whitespace in it at all, for a hundred characters
[18:55:19] <Xiong>	imo, MW template syntax occupies the level between lisp and brainfuck
[18:55:22] <siebrand>	(more spam...)
[18:55:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import doesn't update recentchanges. rc_new_len and rc_old_len columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9354  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:55:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import filter for Wikini and others wakka based wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10319  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:55:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import does not consider XML namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4520  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:55:49] <Xiong>	siebrand: are you cleaning out your inbox on chan?
[18:55:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Failed Special:Import leaves imported pages behind, but does not say so. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5701  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import needs to update site statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5703  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:11] <Xiong>	i don't know whether to ask you to share...
[18:56:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should adjust namespaces to local wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5770  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow import to different page name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6808  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [Special:Import] - unclear limit of revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7032  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:29] <Seiken>	Xiong: thanks for all of this. I will keep the log and refer back to it. I have to go now. bye.
[18:56:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import: "XML import parse failure" and wrong number of imported revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9911  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:38] <Xiong>	Seiken: good luck
[18:56:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Initial letter case choice in transwiki import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import displays wrong links to imported articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11344  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:56:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transwiki Special: Import via redirected interwiki URL spews PHP error about HTTP error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11378  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import should have a hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11537  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import may not invalidate page caches properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12336  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Honour protection status in Special:Import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12653  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:15] <MZMcBride>	:-( 
[18:57:24] <MZMcBride>	I thought someone was actually working on my bug.
[18:57:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add log comment field when importing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12728  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Failing importe all history with [[Special:Import]] on French Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13807  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transwiki image import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6071  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:57:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import error: "Import failed: Could not open import file" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15000  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:08:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic word to specify thumbnail width in category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13802  summary; +comment (10siebrand)
[19:08:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Request conformation of implicit unwatch action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15231 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[19:09:00] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) &lrm; and left-to-right marker disappear when translations are exported - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12562  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:15:03] <^demon>	siebrand: Foreign file/repo could probably just be general file/repo stuff.
[19:15:26] <siebrand>	^demon: what's the exact string you suggest for the component?
[19:21:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logging of edits done by global bots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15232 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (baard)
[19:22:07] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39603 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (6 files): 
[19:22:08] <CIA-56>	Tweaks for Credits and Metadata:
[19:22:08] <CIA-56>	* Put all functions into classed so that they can be autoloaded
[19:22:08] <CIA-56>	* Marked all private methods as protected
[19:22:08] <CIA-56>	* Article::getContributors() now returns UserArrayFromResult object
[19:23:13] *Simetrical 	mutters about "marked all private methods as protected"
[19:23:23] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: ??
[19:23:50] <Simetrical>	I'm a fan of private methods where there's no explicit reason to make them public.
[19:23:56] <Simetrical>	Makes refactoring easier.
[19:24:18] <Simetrical>	I don't go mass-changing things to private, though, because I know there are some people who disagree with that.
[19:24:30] <Duesentrieb>	makes custimization by subclassing a pain though
[19:24:34] *Duesentrieb 	is a fan of protected
[19:24:50] <Krimpet>	Simetrical: protected is a different beast, though
[19:24:51] <Simetrical>	If you use protected, it may as well be public as far as code refactoring goes.
[19:25:03] <Simetrical>	Customization by subclassing isn't the primary means of customization in MediaWiki.
[19:25:14] <Simetrical>	And probably shouldn't be.
[19:25:35] <^demon>	siebrand: "File/Repo?"
[19:25:47] <Duesentrieb>	i'm not talking about meadiawiki, but about OO in general. and no, it's not the same. there tend to be a lot fewer subclasses than there are classes that use the public interface
[19:26:00] <Simetrical>	Yes, but you still can't freely change things.
[19:26:28] <Simetrical>	If anyone's using them you can't change them, and if no one's using them why did you make them more public in the first place?
[19:26:30] <Duesentrieb>	you can only freely change anythings if you are isoluted. that is, useless. 
[19:26:37] <Simetrical>	What?
[19:27:31] <Duesentrieb>	whatever is used, can't be changed easily. you can only get the freedom of changing anything at will by noe being used at all
[19:28:08] <Simetrical>	If someone is guaranteed to only be used in the MediaWiki repo, I can change it freely by changing all callers.
[19:28:28] <Simetrical>	In particular, if it's private, it can only be used in one file, so I need only change callers in that file.
[19:28:34] <Simetrical>	Which is usually easy.
[19:28:52] <Duesentrieb>	my point is that it'S a tradeoff.
[19:29:02] <Duesentrieb>	more isolation, more freedom to change, but less freedom to use.
[19:29:31] <_mary_kate_>	you know, everyone else already solved this with interface contracts
[19:29:41] <Simetrical>	The less freedom to use only applies to out-of-tree development, though.  Anyone with commit access can use it.
[19:29:46] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, which means what, in practice?
[19:29:54] <Duesentrieb>	the "make everything private per default" thing never workd out in practice for me. i usually end up changing stuff to protected at some point, because i tend towards deep class hierarchies
[19:30:11] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: i can make a Foo class in mediawiki, with protected methods, and say the interface is, say, 'phase3 private', and no one outside phase3 is allowed to use it
[19:30:18] <Krimpet>	^demon: ohhhh, I finally found where the 'public/' is coming from
[19:30:22] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: even if it has public or protected methods
[19:30:45] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, but that raises the same problems as private methods with regard to extensions.  Especially out-of-tree extensions.
[19:31:00] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: no it doesn't.  extensions aren't in phase3.  they can't use my interface
[19:31:07] <^demon>	Krimpet: Yay :-)
[19:31:16] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, yes, that's the problem.  They can't use them.
[19:31:23] <Krimpet>	the FileRepoStatus error calls getErrorCleanupFunction(), which sanitizes the output to remove private paths
[19:31:27] <Simetrical>	Which means they have to either get someone with commit access to make a public method, or copy-paste lots of code.
[19:31:28] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: that's not a problem.  they shouldn't be using it.  because it's private and might change randomly
[19:31:33] <Krimpet>	it's all rather convoluted :p
[19:31:41] <Simetrical>	Well, yes, the question is whether to *have* things that are private and might change randomly.
[19:31:42] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: if i wanted them to use it, i would have made the interface public, and committed to an API that doesn't change
[19:31:49] <Simetrical>	That's my philosophy.
[19:31:55] <Duesentrieb>	_mary_kate_: well, I use protected mostly to allow code reuse in implementations. using somethign via a well defined interface is much easier to manage, imho
[19:32:10] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, but sometimes you want to change the interface, in retrospect.
[19:32:27] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: you can hardly write software in a sane manner without private interfaces.  just make sure they're clearly documented that way
[19:32:42] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: of course. but then you always have a problem. the only cleansolution to that is a language which supported versioned interfaces.
[19:32:46] <Simetrical>	I wish we could have a policy like the Linux kernel: screw anyone doing out-of-tree development.  ;)  (Of course that's only true in the Linux kernel for kernel interfaces, not user-space ones.)
[19:33:14] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, well, evidently people like Tim, Alex, and Duesentrieb disagree.
[19:33:34] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: funny how linux needs that policy, while solaris has had stable interfaces for the last 20 years and still manages to add new features
[19:33:38] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, then you still have to maintain the old interfaces, one way or another.
[19:34:04] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, stable interfaces for the internals of the kernel?  Every internal kernel function is stable?  Seems pretty unlikely.
[19:34:11] <Duesentrieb>	_mary_kate_: sun's IDL and RPC also supportes versioning since god knows when :)
[19:34:20] *Simetrical 	waits to be shown wrong
[19:34:32] *Simetrical 	regrets "Seems pretty unlikely" now :P
[19:34:36] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: no, the internal interface is consolidation private - no one can use it.  the public driver interface is DDI/DDK.  and yes, the kernel driver interface is backwards compatible for 20 years
[19:34:46] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: (of course, new feateures have been added, but without breaking the old ones)
[19:35:11] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: this is the point of interface contracts - you can change your internal (private) stuff as much as you want, as long as you provide a consistent external interface (if one is needed)
[19:35:11] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: you meaintain the old interfaces by versioning the implementations also. versioning is shifted from package/install/library level down to interfaces and dynamic linking.
[19:35:25] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: but that stuff is irrelevant to php.
[19:35:32] <Simetrical>	Well, practically all Linux drivers are in-tree anyway, so in practice the interface doesn't need to be so stable.  All the ones that are out-of-tree should be in-tree.  :)
[19:36:01] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, so an old extension would basically trigger an entire old version of MediaWiki?  How can that work?  The hook might be called from a function that didn't used to exist.
[19:37:21] <_mary_kate_>	that's because little thought went into the current selection of hooks
[19:37:36] <_mary_kate_>	you know why solaris can maintain stable interfaces?  because every new one has to be proposed and approved by committee before it goes in ;)
[19:37:53] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: it doesn't work with mediawiki. or php. and callback do raise issues with the concept. i was just saying that versioning is one approach to dealing with the problems that arise from the need to refine interfaces.
[19:37:57] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39604 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: *stab* forgot to commit that file
[19:38:31] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, if you're talking about something like a standard library, then you can version the entire library, of course.  That's sensible.  But I don't see how it would work for application plugins of any kind.
[19:38:40] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, yeah, I've noticed that with MediaWiki hooks.  :P
[19:39:21] <Simetrical>	Now, if we had the resources of Sun, we'd see about how good our hooks could be.  :P
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	Of course, in our case, it's not such a big deal if the occasional file edit is needed for older versions.
[19:40:10] <_mary_kate_>	i think if we forced people to design things before committing them, they'd get bored and go away
[19:40:22] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Request conformation of implicit unwatch action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15231  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:40:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watching when editing does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12395  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:42:17] <siebrand>	^demon: done
[19:46:50] <^demon>	siebrand: Thanks.
[19:47:43] <siebrand>	^demon: 13786 ?
[19:47:58] <siebrand>	^demon: mostly eye candy, I think.
[19:48:12] <siebrand>	^demon: although it could have a diagnostic purpose.
[19:48:28] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r39605 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[19:48:41] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39606 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/ (CoreLinkFunctions.php Parser_LinkHooks.php): 
[19:48:41] <CIA-56>	* Missing svn:eol-style property on Parser_LinkHooks.php
[19:48:41] <CIA-56>	* Fixed syntax error CoreLinkFunctions.php
[19:51:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Email notification borked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13783  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:52:08] <miojo>	Does anybody can tell me if is OK to delete  the Admin user? I created another username, with my name, and gave myself admin roles
[19:54:04] <Simetrical>	miojo, MediaWiki doesn't support deleting users, period.
[19:54:06] <Simetrical>	You could rename the user.
[19:54:09] <Simetrical>	!deleteuser
[19:54:09] --mwbot--	Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser>.  You can also try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete>
[19:54:28] <Simetrical>	But the original user is not special, it's just the same as any sysop/bureaucrat.
[19:54:31] <Simetrical>	Treat it like any other user.
[19:56:59] <miojo>	thanks... I'll rename it
[19:57:18] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39607 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove boneheaded config var $wgEnablePersistentCookies. Setting the default expiration to 0 now makes the cookies session-only (seeing as it was largely ignored)
[19:57:27] <^demon>	siebrand: Not worth it, imo.
[19:57:34] <Dor>	Special:Random isn't very random :o
[19:57:47] <Dor>	it does have priorities
[19:57:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782   +need-review; +comment (10siebrand)
[19:58:52] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) delayed/duplicate mail notification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13781  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:59:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Email notification borked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13783  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:02:50] <^demon>	siebrand: Personally, I would WONTFIX. Not worth the effort, not largely accurate, and all for an aesthetic reason. My comment 5 still stands.
[20:03:21] <siebrand>	^demon: that's on 13786, right?
[20:03:31] *^demon 	nods
[20:04:25] <siebrand>	^demon: ther eya go.
[20:04:27] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Job queue max age - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13786  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:06:28] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39608 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (FSRepo.php LocalRepo.php): More descriptive sanitized paths for file repo errors
[20:09:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Job queue max age - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13786  (10innocentkiller)
[20:09:49] <^demon>	siebrand: Also clarified the question of "What order are jobs done in if not in order of creation?"
[20:10:12] <siebrand>	^demon: nope. RTFC?
[20:10:15] <siebrand>	;)
[20:11:06] <Simetrical>	Krimpet, so that prints out something with mwrepo:// instead of the actual filepath?
[20:11:21] <Simetrical>	I mean, instead of the old way, which was not the actual filepath.
[20:11:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) include summary attribute in table syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13779  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:13:59] <^demon>	Krimpet: Also, $wgUploadDirectory and $wgFileStore aren't globals.
[20:14:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=upload should be added to the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15227  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:15:19] <Krimpet>	^demon: I'm not printing out their values
[20:15:31] <^demon>	Duh, hit me please.
[20:15:36] <Krimpet>	but the actual string, '$wgUploadDirectory'. :)
[20:16:25] <mikedub>	when using Extension:ParserFunctions, using an if-statement, how do I have a pipe in the code section?
[20:16:25] <^demon>	I hate bugs involving error messages....because you have to manage to trigger the error to test your code.
[20:17:24] <Krimpet>	Simetrical: I replaced the paths in FileRepo to use mwrepo://, which should be more descriptive for debugging if we ever make other subclasses of FileRepo; in practice, though, just about everything uses LocalRepo, which is more descriptive
[20:17:26] <mikedub>	oh, nevermind.
[20:17:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812  +comment (10francine)
[20:19:01] <^demon>	Krimpet: Also, wfTempDir() will mean nothing to most people in an error message, fwiw.
[20:19:27] <ialex>	^demon: for r39607: take a look at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=39468 ;)
[20:19:44] <Krimpet>	^demon: that was more for admins
[20:20:01] <^demon>	ialex: I'll tweak it, sorry
[20:20:38] <Krimpet>	I was going to put $TEMP in there instead, but didn't for anal reasons, as the temp dir isn't always in $TEMP :p
[20:21:34] <Krimpet>	these error messages don't really mean anything to end-users of the wiki anyway; if they get them, they pass it along to the wiki webmaster. :)
[20:22:11] <^demon>	wiki webmaster doesn't necessarily know what wfTempDir() means, esp. those who stick to an out-of-the-box install ;-)
[20:24:27] <Krimpet>	well, maybe; I just hoped someone competent enough to install MW would be able to grasp what a "temp dir" is I guess <_<
[20:25:24] <Krimpet>	I can't think of a better thing to change it to, as something like $TEMP might confuse noobs who expect there to be a $TEMP variable in PHP
[20:25:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	noobs need to RTFM ;)
[20:25:59] *Jack_Phoenix 	runs
[20:26:26] <Krimpet>	and the actual temp directory, which was used before, might leak data; particularly on Windows where it's not just '/tmp'
[20:27:07] <^demon>	ialex: Fixed.
[20:27:13] <ialex>	^demon: Thanks!
[20:27:17] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39609 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove last of $wgEnablePersistentCookies. Use > 0 checks on $wgCookieExpiration instead. Also typo in my docs.
[20:27:49] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39610 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: mark static functions
[20:27:56] <^demon>	ialex: Somehow I had missed that commit, so I didn't even think to check for that before I removed my crap :-P
[20:28:21] <Krimpet>	hmm. how long is it supposed to take for Bugzilla to change your registered e-mail address?
[20:28:51] <^demon>	3 years, 5 months, 23 days, give or take a few hours.
[20:28:58] <ialex>	"Use > 0 checks" -> if( $wgCookieExpiration ) or (bool)$wgCookieExpiration has the same result ;)
[20:29:21] <^demon>	ialex: Some idiot might set it to less than 0.
[20:29:37] <^demon>	Now it's dummy proof :-P
[20:29:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SquidUpdate blocks for a long time on the first URL it is given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13777  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:29:59] <ialex>	^demon: he is really then :D
[20:30:22] <ialex>	*idiot
[20:33:39] <Micthev>	brion, ?
[20:34:42] <brion>	oy
[20:35:15] <Micthev>	brion, It seems that you are the right person! What do I to  parameter the titlekey's extension ?
[20:35:16] <brion>	Krimpet: should go pretty quick. some people complain of not receiving mails from bugzilla at times, though
[20:36:01] <brion>	Micthev: enable it in LocalSettings.php and run update.php to set up the table
[20:36:02] <Krimpet>	brion: ohh, I see it now - I misread the e-mails I got
[20:36:22] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r39611 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-core.php): Removed $wgEnablePersistentCookies, added $wgRestrictDisplayTitle
[20:36:34] <Micthev>	brion, It's ok but it don't work
[20:37:03] <Krimpet>	I thought I had to wait three days, from the wording of the mail; was wondering why I'd waited a week. I didn't see the link in the _other_ mail I had to click. :)
[20:37:16] <brion>	what don't work about it Micthev ?
[20:37:41] <CIA-56>	03ashley * r39612 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/ (2 files): (bug #15204) Message 'Populate-user-profile-done' needs plural support
[20:37:50] <ialex>	haven't you to populate the table?
[20:37:52] <Micthev>	brion, there are no autocompletion (I don't know this word in english) in the search box
[20:38:06] <ialex>	!wg EnableMWSuggest
[20:38:06] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableMWSuggest
[20:38:10] <brion>	Micthev: have you disabled the api? are you running older than mediawiki 1.13?
[20:38:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Message 'Populate-user-profile-done' needs plural support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15204  +comment (10wikia.jack)
[20:38:32] <brion>	ah and of course enable $wgEnableMWSuggest
[20:38:41] <Micthev>	brion, no api is on and I've the 1.13 version
[20:38:42] <brion>	(this applies whether or not you are running TitleKey extension)
[20:38:58] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39613 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser_LinkHooks.php: mark static
[20:39:59] <Micthev>	brion, I try it
[20:41:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database::makeList doesn't accept a non-array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13764  +comment (10siebrand)
[20:41:47] <Micthev>	brion, It doesn't work :(
[20:42:57] <siebrand>	Jack_Phoenix: thanks.
[20:43:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[20:44:58] <Micthev>	brion, $wgEnableAPI  or $wgEnableWriteAPI  ?
[20:45:50] <^demon>	brion: Nuked $wgEnablePersistentCookies
[20:45:56] <brion>	$wgEnableAPI
[20:45:59] <brion>	and $wgEnableMWSearch
[20:46:56] <Duesentrieb>	brion: while you are here... what do you think of $wgRestrictDisplayTitle ?
[20:47:11] <Krimpet>	hmm, per what appears to be a consensus at bug 6455, I'm considering merging some of the StringFunctions into ParserFunctions - thoughts?
[20:47:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	Krimpet: we need to get ParserFunctions merged into core MW first :D
[20:48:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180  (10tathagata.dasgupta)
[20:48:37] <brion>	Duesentrieb: is it new in last couple days? then i don't have any opinion on it until after i've reached it and discovered what it is
[20:48:58] <CIA-56>	03catrope * r39614 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiPageSet.php): (bug 15228) Throw a warning instead of an error when revids= and redirects are combined. Also fixed a bug that caused warnings thrown in ApiPageSet.php to appear in an <ApiPageSet> tag rather than <query>
[20:49:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180  (10tathagata.dasgupta)
[20:49:07] <Krimpet>	Jack_Phoenix, secretly my real plan is to get my Lua extension widely used someday. ;)
[20:49:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Output on diff page uses the ?title= parameter instead of the correct title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15233 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (mormegil)
[20:49:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	whee :>
[20:49:21] <Duesentrieb>	brion: yes, yesterday. allows any display title. no hurry.
[20:49:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Output on diff page uses the ?title= parameter instead of the correct title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15233  (10mormegil)
[20:50:07] <Micthev>	great it work
[20:50:11] <Micthev>	thanks brion 
[20:50:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Odd behavior of "redirects" parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15228  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:51:19] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180  +comment (10tathagata.dasgupta)
[20:51:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: memcached predefined hashes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13759   +easy +need-review; +comment (10siebrand)
[20:52:19] <siebrand>	brion: can you you take a quick look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13759 ? Adding a 'why not' or s/need-review/reviewed would do...
[20:52:38] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39615 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: Use more simple strict comparisons
[21:00:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: memcached predefined hashes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13759  (10brion)
[21:01:12] <siebrand>	brion: thank you.
[21:04:12] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r39616 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: Use !== here
[21:09:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180  normal->major; normal->high; +comment (10siebrand)
[21:13:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Number headings does not work for auto generated TOC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15234 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (post)
[21:13:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Shared repo APIs should include 'repo-sharedupload' and ' repo-name' messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14981  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:17:18] <CIA-56>	03brion * r39617 10/trunk/extensions/intersection/DynamicPageList.php: 
[21:17:19] <CIA-56>	Revert r39398 "(bug 14971) Added method for alphabetical ordering ('alphabetical') (patch by Ramac)"
[21:17:19] <CIA-56>	This patch will pretty obviously fail in combination with various other query options; it adds an ORDER BY to the where clause in the middle of other options.
[21:17:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) alphabetical order method for DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14971  +comment (10brion)
[21:17:59] <White_Cat_Zzz>	brion reopened something on bugzilla?
[21:18:03] *White_Cat_Zzz 	makes note of this day
[21:18:07] <AaronSchulz>	...
[21:18:22] *White_Cat_Zzz 	submits it to the UN for it to be an international holiday
[21:18:46] *White_Cat_Zzz 	celebrates with a full scale millitary parade
[21:18:52] <Simetrical>	White_Cat_Zzz, shut up already.
[21:18:53] <siebrand>	White_Cat_Zzz: he always reopens on revert of a fixed bug.
[21:19:02] <White_Cat_Zzz>	oh
[21:19:08] *White_Cat_Zzz 	's excitement dies
[21:19:09] <Simetrical>	Why didn't whoever ban him from #wikimedia-tech ban him here too?
[21:20:07] <White_Cat_Zzz>	siebrand I am actualy trying to catch his attention for an important discussion
[21:20:27] *AaronSchulz 	gets out the popcorn
[21:20:44] <White_Cat_Zzz>	but seems like he isnt looking at IRC at all :/
[21:21:18] <siebrand>	White_Cat_Zzz: given the response by other users I fear that you have tried taht elsewhere already and it didn't end well. I suggest you pay some honours to your current nick name.
[21:21:25] <arextom>	:|
[21:21:37] <Herr_Kriss>	oh hey siebrand
[21:21:41] <White_Cat_Zzz>	sie oh I havent actualy
[21:21:49] <Herr_Kriss>	yay, and whitecat
[21:22:04] <White_Cat_Zzz>	there was a matter concerning him privately
[21:22:17] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom : tell what's your prob
[21:22:35] <White_Cat_Zzz>	siebrand I dont just shut up when told
[21:23:00] <White_Cat_Zzz>	but since brion isnt here
[21:23:05] <White_Cat_Zzz>	I'll idle elsewhere
[21:23:54] <siebrand>	White_Cat_Zzz: well, everyone makes his own choices, and bears both positive and negative consequences of them. Fundamental right, as far as I am concerned. Have fun idling :)
[21:24:11] <White_Cat_Zzz>	ha?
[21:24:31] <White_Cat_Zzz>	Watashi wakarimasen
[21:25:38] <Herr_Kriss>	so...
[21:25:42] <Herr_Kriss>	my firend have a problem
[21:25:52] <Herr_Kriss>	but he's not feeling ok with english
[21:25:56] <Herr_Kriss>	so i'll translate
[21:26:02] <arextom>	:)
[21:26:06] <Herr_Kriss>	he installed newest mediawiki
[21:26:16] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: did you read "New list admin: Ral315  by  Michael Bimmler "
[21:26:16] <Herr_Kriss>	and he have PHP Version 5.2.6
[21:26:25] <Herr_Kriss>	and he got error message:
[21:26:27] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, what?
[21:26:30] <AaronSchulz>	I still find that level of drama surprising
[21:26:30] <Herr_Kriss>	arning: domdocument::domdocument() expects at least 1 parameter, 0 given in C:\xampp\htdocs\mediawiki\includes\parser\Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 574
[21:26:35] <Herr_Kriss>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method domdocument::loadXML() in C:\xampp\htdocs\mediawiki\includes\parser\Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 576
[21:26:51] <Herr_Kriss>	so if somebody would help it would be very cool
[21:26:52] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: foundation-l
[21:26:58] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, don't read that, too much noise.
[21:27:01] <brion>	Herr_Kriss: first, try the very latest 1.3.0 release -- this should fix it
[21:27:07] <Herr_Kriss>	brion : ok
[21:27:09] <Simetrical>	1.13.0.
[21:27:11] <Simetrical>	Not 1.3.0.
[21:27:12] <Simetrical>	:)
[21:27:46] <brion>	hah yes 1.13.0 :D
[21:28:00] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Special:EditCount - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13753  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:28:02] <brion>	or explicitly set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash'; in LocalSettings.php
[21:28:03] *White_Cat_Zzz 	waves at brion
[21:28:06] <arextom>	i installed mediawiki-1.13.0
[21:28:13] <Herr_Kriss>	brion ^
[21:29:34] <brion>	1.13.0 or 1.13.0rc ?
[21:29:45] <brion>	rc = release candidates, some of which did not include the fix
[21:29:50] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom ^
[21:30:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges items should have alternating background colours - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14468  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:30:46] <arextom>	"Download a package
[21:30:48] <arextom>	Current version
[21:30:50] <arextom>	    * mediawiki-1.13.0.tar.gz
[21:30:52] <arextom>	    * SVN: REL1_13_0"
[21:30:58] <arextom>	from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download
[21:30:59] <Herr_Kriss>	brion ^
[21:31:13] <Herr_Kriss>	brion : should he dl rc or stable?
[21:31:19] <Simetrical>	Stable.
[21:31:23] <brion>	stable
[21:31:23] <Herr_Kriss>	oic
[21:31:36] <brion>	release candidate comes before the final release
[21:31:39] <brion>	it was older
[21:31:41] <Herr_Kriss>	so still problem's not sloved :/
[21:31:47] <arextom>	;(
[21:33:58] <brion>	please make this php file:
[21:34:11] <brion>	<?php var_dump( extension_loaded( 'dom' ) ); ?>
[21:34:15] <brion>	show me what the output is
[21:34:37] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom : stworz plik z zawartoscia <?php var_dump( extension_loaded( 'dom' ) ); ?>
[21:34:40] <Herr_Kriss>	i powiedz co wyszlo
[21:34:43] <arextom>	widze
[21:35:39] <arextom>	eeee nothing ;|
[21:35:52] <Herr_Kriss>	brion : where he should put that file?
[21:36:01] <brion>	on your server
[21:36:03] <Herr_Kriss>	anywhere?
[21:36:06] <brion>	then go load it in your web browser
[21:36:07] <Herr_Kriss>	ah, ok
[21:36:10] <arextom>	sec
[21:36:14] <brion>	we're checking to confirm your php configuration
[21:36:50] <arextom>	bool(true) 
[21:37:00] <Herr_Kriss>	only that?
[21:37:05] <arextom>	only
[21:37:26] <brion>	in this case your system _should_ not be broken, but it is :)
[21:37:41] <arextom>	:|
[21:37:54] <brion>	ok try also this to see:
[21:38:04] <brion>	<?php var_dump( extension_loaded('domxml') ); ?>
[21:38:10] <brion>	this _should_ return bool(false)
[21:38:27] <brion>	but it sounds like your system is messed up in a way that sounds like it might have both enabled
[21:38:35] <brion>	(which should not be possible.... allegedly...)
[21:38:45] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom : rozumicie?
[21:38:54] <arextom>	si
[21:41:13] <arextom>	<?php var_dump( extension_loaded('domxml') ); ?>     
[21:41:16] <arextom>	=
[21:41:19] <arextom>	bool(true) 
[21:41:25] <brion>	aho
[21:41:28] <brion>	ok that's interesting :)
[21:41:32] <arextom>	why ?
[21:41:38] <brion>	because that should not ever happen ;)
[21:41:44] <brion>	but now we know it does we can check for it
[21:41:44] <arextom>	:D
[21:41:45] <Herr_Kriss>	hehe
[21:41:58] <brion>	ok can i get a couple quick bits of info on your server?
[21:42:09] <brion>	which os, php version? if it's redhat, what version of rhel?
[21:42:10] <arextom>	Herr_Kriss: ?
[21:42:24] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom : wersja php i system
[21:42:28] <arextom>	PHP Version 5.2.6
[21:42:40] <Herr_Kriss>	brion : PHP is 5.2.6
[21:42:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show some gadgets only for admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12211  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:42:48] <arextom>	eee system ? ze widnows jaki ? :D
[21:43:22] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom : tak
[21:43:29] <brion>	to work around, add to LocalSettings.php this line: set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash';
[21:43:38] <arextom>	vista :))
[21:43:43] <brion>	*shudder*
[21:43:46] <Herr_Kriss>	windows vista
[21:43:55] <Herr_Kriss>	oh, that's really bad, am i right? :P
[21:44:00] <brion>	what package did you use to install php? (xampp package or similar?)
[21:44:27] <Herr_Kriss>	arextom : jak zainstalowales PHP?
[21:45:30] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) update.php doesn't print errors to stderr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13723  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:45:49] <arextom>	http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
[21:45:55] <arextom>	i have that
[21:46:32] <arextom>	o i dont see that :P ....  i have xampp :)
[21:46:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session not including wikipecies, incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  +comment (10evula)
[21:46:44] <brion>	arextom, Herr_Kriss: thanks!
[21:46:51] <brion>	sounds like xampp is installing too many modules
[21:47:02] <brion>	they should not use that combination; dom and domxml are incompatible :)
[21:48:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use Preprocessor_Hash by default to avoid missing DOM module errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13770  (10brion)
[21:48:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  SVG - Request installation WenQuanYi ZenHei for better Chinese gothic fonts rendering - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13716   +shell; +comment (10siebrand)
[21:48:49] <Herr_Kriss>	brion : oh no problem, will i'll be added as main mediawini developer? :P
[21:48:50] <Herr_Kriss>	j/k
[21:48:58] <brion>	:D
[21:52:39] <Simetrical>	"maybe with some reflection or some crap"
[21:52:42] <Simetrical>	So either one works, then?
[21:54:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712  +comment (10siebrand)
[21:55:06] <brion>	Simetrical: well, either we give up if there's a known module conflict or we check just in case there might be load order differences :P
[21:58:50] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Critical error in DynamicPageList2 extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13709  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:04:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New magic word for number of total views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13701   +easy; +comment (10siebrand)
[22:07:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install DynamicPageList for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8261  (10innocentkiller)
[22:07:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DynamicPageList requests (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12423  (10innocentkiller)
[22:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of templates in intersections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13692  (10siebrand)
[22:10:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11112  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:11:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a new parameter to Article::purge() to prevent output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13689  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:13:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (tylerromeo)
[22:16:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235  +comment (10siebrand)
[22:19:51] <CIA-56>	03krimpet * r39618 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ (ParserFunctions.i18n.magic.php ParserFunctions.php): Per discussion for bug 6455, merged functionality of StringFunctions into the ParserFunctions extension.
[22:21:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  +comment (10krimpet)
[22:21:20] <Werdna>	Krimpet: o_O
[22:21:25] <Werdna>	stringfunctions on enwiki :O
[22:21:26] <CIA-56>	03demon * r39619 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: (bug 13689) Page output can be suppressed on Article::purge() by passing bool false to it. Default (ie: nearly 100+% of the time) is true.
[22:21:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a new parameter to Article::purge() to prevent output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13689  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:22:03] <Krimpet>	Werdna: I read and re-read bug 6455, and it seemed to be the consensus to do so :p
[22:22:31] <Werdna>	WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE SERVER KITTIES? :(
[22:22:53] <Krimpet>	one more explode() or preg_replace() is going to do much harm? :)
[22:23:00] *^demon 	watches caching fly out the window
[22:23:11] *^demon 	waves goodbye
[22:23:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235  (10tylerromeo)
[22:23:15] <siebrand>	^demon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13689 mark fixed?
[22:23:23] <Krimpet>	I'm sure the hackish workarounds places like enwiki use right now are probably worse on performance. >_>
[22:23:29] <^demon>	siebrand: oops.
[22:23:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a new parameter to Article::purge() to prevent output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13689  (10innocentkiller)
[22:26:54] <Werdna>	Krimpet: I'm teasing. Brion will kill more server kitties over LUA than over anything else.
[22:27:07] <Werdna>	:0
[22:27:13] <Werdna>	:)**
[22:28:03] <brion>	i take a perverse kind of pleasure in the idea of embedding a scripting language in a wiki written in another scripting language
[22:28:11] <brion>	but i'm not sure i'd want to deploy it ;)
[22:28:24] <^demon>	siebrand: Should the DPL2 bugs be tagged with "testme" to see if they're still existing problems with DPL? I would doubt so, but who knows.
[22:28:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235  (10tylerromeo)
[22:28:44] <siebrand>	^demon: Hmm...
[22:29:08] <Werdna>	brion: It's better than parserfunctions.
[22:29:12] <brion>	my general inclination tends to be that if we have to grab a whole language we should use javascript since people are more likely to be used to it than something more exotic like lua, but JS has its own issues of weirdness :D
[22:29:23] <siebrand>	^demon: probably. Will check that later. We're hopefullt getting the extension maintained in the SVN soon. Brion should already have mail about it.
[22:29:45] *^demon 	writes the #php parserfunc, where all input is passed to eval(), and then makes it part of core ;-)
[22:30:16] <Krimpet>	brion, even more fun would be if we wrote a wikitext parser in Lua... >_>
[22:30:19] <Werdna>	brion: well, LUA is an excellent choice. As Tim was saying the other day, it's excellent in terms of sandboxing and so on.
[22:30:27] <Werdna>	Krimpet: don't worry, enwiki will do it within the week.
[22:30:30] <^demon>	$wgEnableUltraDangerousParserFunctions
[22:30:34] <brion>	:D
[22:30:54] <brion>	Krimpet: if you can write a Lua parser in wikitext templates, then i'll be impressed
[22:31:15] <Werdna>	brion: shhh! There are enwiki people in here. WP:BEANS and so on.
[22:31:26] <Duesentrieb>	!e Winter
[22:31:26] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Winter
[22:31:44] <Krimpet>	I might be able to do it with Winter installed. :p
[22:32:07] <Krimpet>	(which looks positively evil...)
[22:32:36] <Werdna>	Krimpet: oh I see, insulting the competition
[22:32:49] <^demon>	brion: Is there any particular reason the transcache table must continue to exist? wgMemc seems more logical :-)
[22:33:11] <brion>	i'm not too familiar on its use at present
[22:33:12] <Krimpet>	Werdna, wikitext is not and shouldn't be a programming language. that's why I designed the Lua function the way I did :)
[22:33:24] <^demon>	brion: it's only used for scary transcluding.
[22:33:26] <brion>	but note that wgMemc is a no-op on default MediaWiki installs
[22:34:46] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39620 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (49 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-19 00:18 CEST)
[22:35:05] <Krimpet>	I chose Lua over others for a few reasons - it's very embeddable and lightweight for one, it's very nice syntax and capabilities (mmm, lexical scoping and first class functions), and because I saw a PHP Lua extension existed
[22:35:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expansion of robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14419  normal->high; +comment (10bdanee88)
[22:35:30] <Werdna>	brion: hmm. I guess if we cached in the database by default, it'd be kinda pointless.
[22:35:35] <Krimpet>	(unfortunately, it looks like the Lua extension hasn't been maintained for over a year. :p)
[22:35:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10899  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:35:46] <Duesentrieb>	Krimpet: you want evail? try this...
[22:35:51] <Duesentrieb>	!e StackFunctions | Krimpet
[22:35:51] --mwbot--	Krimpet: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StackFunctions
[22:36:23] <Krimpet>	oh dear, that's even more evil. :o
[22:36:25] <^demon>	siebrand: Whoo, <10 DPL2 bugs left :-D
[22:37:01] <Duesentrieb>	who DOESN'T want to script MediaWIki using PostScript?
[22:37:07] <siebrand>	^demon: wee. That means that you just resolved 0.05% of all open bugs!
[22:37:08] <Duesentrieb>	i mean, it's obvious...
[22:38:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expansion of robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14419  +comment (10darklama)
[22:41:28] <^demon>	Stupid question, but what does the MOVED resolution mean?
[22:42:49] <Krimpet>	^demon: "The problem was specific to a related product whose bugs are tracked in another
[22:42:53] <Krimpet>	bug database. The bug has been moved to that database.
[22:43:32] <^demon>	Ah, gotcha.
[22:44:03] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r39621 10/trunk/extensions/ (112 files in 91 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-19 00:18 CEST)
[22:45:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pages that hit memory limit should fail gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14956  (10krimpet)
[22:46:06] <siebrand>	zzz...
[22:46:39] <Krimpet>	I'm thinking of taking a whack at that one.
[23:22:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) disable join/quit messages due to spambot activity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15236 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy)
[23:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add localized namespacenamealiases in nahwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15237 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[23:43:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expansion of robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14419  (10bdanee88)
[23:51:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expansion of robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14419  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)