[02:58:50] <amidaniel>	woops
[02:59:21] <amidaniel>	Thar we go
[02:59:46] <qsheets>	MattJ: since I don't fully know how to do that, I'd recommend looking at another extension to see how they did it... unless someone else has any input
[02:59:51] <qsheets>	amidaniel: wtf?
[02:59:58] <amidaniel>	qsheets: ?
[03:00:39] <qsheets>	he joined, you said "woops", then he parted and rejoined
[03:01:02] <Simetrical>	qsheets, amidaniel runs mwbot.
[03:01:05] <amidaniel>	Yes :)
[03:01:09] <qsheets>	i know
[03:01:20] <MattJ>	qsheets: Seems like a good plan :)
[03:01:24] <qsheets>	kk
[03:01:24] <Simetrical>	amidaniel, are you going to get around to making it startable via shell script and putting it in cron yet?
[03:01:26] <amidaniel>	qsheets: I made a boo-boo and had to restart it :)
[03:01:32] <qsheets>	i c
[03:01:32] <amidaniel>	Simetrical: It is in cron >:()
[03:01:40] <Simetrical>	So why did it die for hours?
[03:01:42] <amidaniel>	This is the first time I've had to manually start it in about a year
[03:01:43] <qsheets>	lol
[03:01:57] <Simetrical>	Really?  I could swear I remember times a lot more recently.
[03:02:03] <amidaniel>	Nope
[03:02:08] <Simetrical>	I thought I remembered you saying that you had to start it manually because it wasn't a simple shell script.
[03:02:13] *amidaniel 	has been on wikivication for months :)
[03:02:13] *Simetrical 	checks logs
[03:02:21] <amidaniel>	Yes, that was a long, long time ago :)
[03:02:26] <amidaniel>	That issue has since been resolved
[03:02:36] <amidaniel>	@reboot /home/amidaniel/MWBot/init.sh
[03:04:43] *Simetrical 	gets millions of netsplits in his log, sigh
[03:05:17] <Simetrical>	How often does the cron job run?
[03:05:39] <amidaniel>	Well, the cronjob just runs on reboots. There's a built in mechanism to reconnect after e.g. netsplits
[03:05:53] <amidaniel>	In this case it looks like the job was explicitly killed .. not sure why or who did it though
[03:06:02] <amidaniel>	Unless it hit an error of some kind .. dunno
[03:06:05] <Simetrical>	070921 20:30:40 * mwbot has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[03:06:05] <Simetrical>	070925 22:28:45 * mwbot (i=amidanie@hemlock.ts.wikimedia.org) has joined #mediawiki
[03:06:10] <Simetrical>	Oh, wait, it only runs on reboot?
[03:06:14] <amidaniel>	Yessir
[03:06:18] <Simetrical>	Why not every ten minutes or something?
[03:06:36] <Simetrical>	Anyway, that case was only 11 months ago, and that wasn't an automated restart, right?  :)
[03:06:36] <amidaniel>	Because "There's a built in mechanism to reconnect after e.g. netsplits"
[03:06:52] <Simetrical>	Maybe it started using too much resources or something.
[03:06:58] <amidaniel>	Could be
[03:07:32] <amidaniel>	Doesn't look like anyone @die'd it, and I ain't logging much of anything so it's gonna be rather difficult to diagnose why it died
[03:07:54] <amidaniel>	But since this is the first time I remember restarting it since around January of this year, I ain't concerned :)
[03:08:05] <Simetrical>	Oh, hmm, it's written in Java?
[03:08:06] *Simetrical 	pokes around
[03:08:15] <amidaniel>	Yessir, knock yourself out
[03:08:21] <amidaniel>	If you'd like svn access you can have it
[03:08:36] <Simetrical>	Ah, source code is in your SVN.
[03:08:39] *Simetrical 	was looking for that
[03:08:43] <amidaniel>	Haha, yes
[03:08:52] *Simetrical 	uses git for his personal projects these days
[03:09:39] <amidaniel>	Yeah, I do too :)
[03:09:52] <amidaniel>	Ugg .. my ssl's all fucked up on ad.com  ... what the hell?
[03:12:07] *Simetrical 	wonders what happens if he tries running ~amidaniel/MWBot/init.sh
[03:12:27] <amidaniel>	Wtf is going on with my server? o.o
[03:12:47] <amidaniel>	Any idea what this is? mailman   4069 28.2  0.0   3568  1364 ?        Rs   Aug08 5588:00 /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
[03:13:12] <arekz>	do you guys have any mediawiki-friend host recommendation
[03:13:18] <amidaniel>	I've got like a thousand of those eating up all my mem ... fun
[03:13:42] <Simetrical>	amidaniel, this may seem like a silly question, but . . . are you running mailman, by any chance?  ;)
[03:14:13] <Simetrical>	I sometimes had exim act up on me, but it didn't spawn lots of processes.
[03:14:19] <Simetrical>	(And sendmail works fine.)
[03:14:44] <amidaniel>	Yes, I am running mailman :) But it shouldn't eat up _all_ my resources
[03:15:10] <Simetrical>	Why not?  How selfish of you.  :(
[03:15:41] <Simetrical>	Maybe spambots are flooding your mailing lists?
[03:15:48] <amidaniel>	Yeah, I believe that's the case
[03:15:56] *amidaniel 	restarts the fucking server ... *lazy*
[03:16:18] <Simetrical>	Oh noes, your uptime.  :(
[03:16:22] <amidaniel>	Haha
[03:16:28] <Simetrical>	$ uptime
[03:16:29] <Simetrical>	 22:14:30 up 183 days, 17:25,  2 users,  load average: 1.25, 1.35, 1.44
[03:16:42] <Simetrical>	Hmm, when was the restart?  I think it may have been when I first got the server.
[03:16:46] <amidaniel>	 up 70 days, 22:32,  1 user,  load average: 1.66, 5.97, 7.35
[03:17:08] <amidaniel>	Well, goodie for you :)
[03:17:25] <Simetrical>	I had to restart my desktop recently.  :(
[03:17:37] <amidaniel>	Oh noez!
[03:17:37] <Simetrical>	Gecko stopped working and restarting X didn't help.
[03:17:49] *Simetrical 	*lazy* too
[03:17:57] <Simetrical>	aryeh@aryeh-desktop:~$ uptime
[03:17:57] <Simetrical>	 23:16:20 up 13 days,  6:50,  7 users,  load average: 0.28, 0.36, 0.36
[03:18:37] <qsheets>	 23:18:36 up 4 days,  9:28,  6 users,  load average: 0.31, 0.32, 0.27
[03:18:37] <amidaniel>	top - 21:18:27 up  7:01,  4 users,  load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.07
[03:18:43] <amidaniel>	laptop ^
[03:18:50] *amidaniel 	wonders who the other 3 users are o.O
[03:18:56] <qsheets>	amidaniel:  type /exec -o uptime
[03:19:02] <Simetrical>	amidaniel, $ users
[03:19:18] <Simetrical>	 23:19:18 up 13 days,  6:53,  7 users,  load average: 0.43, 0.46, 0.39
[03:19:20] <Simetrical>	Neat.
[03:19:27] <Simetrical>	aryeh aryeh aryeh aryeh aryeh aryeh aryeh
[03:19:30] <qsheets>	lol
[03:19:33] <Simetrical>	See, seven users on my machine.
[03:19:36] <Simetrical>	:D
[03:19:38] <amidaniel>	 21:19:38 up  7:02,  4 users,  load average: 0.34, 0.14, 0.09
[03:19:41] <amidaniel>	oooh 
[03:19:45] <AfterDeath>	 03:19:44 up 269 days,  3:35,  8 users,  load average: 1.10, 0.94, 0.50
[03:19:46] *qsheets 	has 6
[03:19:46] *amidaniel 	wonders what else /exec does
[03:19:47] <AfterDeath>	I win sirs
[03:19:56] <AfterDeath>	amidaniel: /exec -o cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:20:03] <qsheets>	Linux 2.6.24-19-generic [i686/2.00GHz]
[03:20:05] <Simetrical>	/exec -o cat /dev/random
[03:20:11] <amidaniel>	Ooh that's a fun one :D
[03:20:12] <qsheets>	lol
[03:20:13] <Simetrical>	AfterDeath, uh, spam much?
[03:20:17] <amidaniel>	urandom is better though :D
[03:20:19] <AfterDeath>	Simetrical: :D
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[03:20:28] <AfterDeath>	Linux server 2.6.20-gentoo-r3 #7 Thu Jun 7 06:21:58 GMT 2007 ppc 7400, altivec supported PowerMac3,1 GNU/Linux
[03:20:35] <Simetrical>	qsheets, oh, good, it truncates after one line.
[03:20:37] <Simetrical>	Spamspamspamspam
[03:20:41] *AfterDeath 	stabs qsheets
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[03:20:46] <qsheets>	no more dev/random ...
[03:20:48] <_mary_kate_>	qsheets: do that again and i'll ban you
[03:20:50] <qsheets>	�{/M�[�*(ߧ@vcbh��
[03:20:56] <qsheets>	sorry
[03:21:00] *amidaniel 	giggles
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[03:21:19] <qsheets>	STOP
[03:21:25] <_mary_kate_>	did you just do that again after i told you not to?
[03:21:28] <Simetrical>	qsheets, part and rejoin?
[03:21:29] <qsheets>	NO
[03:21:37] <AfterDeath>	oh hey, /exec -not <command> is fun
[03:21:39] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, probably it's still running, with a delay . . .
[03:21:40] <qsheets>	Simetrical: kk
[03:22:26] <AfterDeath>	what's fun is that it's not urandom so it's waiting for entropy
[03:22:42] *qsheets 	smites Simetrical for mentioning that one... so temptingly
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[03:23:00] <Simetrical>	qsheets, I'd try a quit now.
[03:23:01] <qsheets>	HOLY SHIT
[03:23:17] <Simetrical>	/exec -o killall -HUP xchat
[03:23:18] <Simetrical>	;)
[03:23:24] <qsheets>	i don't think it will stop
[03:23:36] <qsheets>	NO KILLALLs
[03:23:38] <Simetrical>	It had better, or you're going to be banned.  :P
[03:23:46] <AfterDeath>	lmfao
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[03:24:01] <amidaniel>	o.o
[03:24:18] <_mary_kate_>	someone go help him in /msg or something
[03:24:20] <AfterDeath>	woah, _mary_kate_ has ops here?
[03:24:30] <Simetrical>	AfterDeath, um, yeah.
[03:24:33] <AfterDeath>	or... that's not really mary-kate
[03:24:43] <Simetrical>	It's River Tarnell.
[03:25:02] <Simetrical>	She used flyingparchment for a long stretch, but lately decided to change it up a bit again.
[03:25:10] <Simetrical>	Was using twincest for a bit too, I think.
[03:25:41] <Simetrical>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers <-- Scroll down to "river".  Look at the one that's stretching the IRC nick column.  :)
[03:31:52] <qsheets>	Simetrical: it started its own process
[03:32:10] <Simetrical>	qsheets, well, yeah, shelling out tends to do that.
[03:32:22] <Simetrical>	Killing the process would work, of course, now that you mention it.
[03:32:33] <Simetrical>	/exec killall cat
[03:32:39] <qsheets>	... and you wanted me to kill my client
[03:33:18] <qsheets>	Note: STAY AWAY FROM /dev/random
[03:33:23] <amidaniel>	"Nothing says 'eat-up' like a bleeding half-naked jew nailed to the wall."
[03:33:38] <qsheets>	??
[03:33:58] <amidaniel>	Family Guy
[03:34:01] <amidaniel>	sorry :)
[03:34:19] <qsheets>	amidaniel: stop nailing people to your dining room walls
[03:34:42] <amidaniel>	Aww :(
[04:13:28] <amidaniel>	Simetrical: toolserver's having issues
[04:13:31] <amidaniel>	Not my fault :)
[04:13:56] *amidaniel 	scurries away
[04:14:02] <_mary_kate_>	it's not having issues
[04:14:06] <_mary_kate_>	it was rebooted 
[04:22:01] <MZMcBride>	What's the difference between HTML diffs and the old diff format?
[05:02:07] <Dantman>	^_^ Anyone interested in donating a bit of cach in exchange for completion of a bugfix or feature? heh
[05:02:55] <SQLDb>	Dantman: heh
[05:03:04] <Werdna>	Dantman: there's a list in somebody's userspace.
[05:03:04] *SQLDb 	bids .45
[05:03:36] <Dantman>	heh
[05:03:46] <Dantman>	A list in whos?
[05:03:55] <Werdna>	dunno
[05:03:56] <SQLDb>	no, a list of bugfixes for money
[05:03:57] <Werdna>	ask TimStarling 
[05:04:01] <SQLDb>	lemme check beagle
[05:04:14] <SQLDb>	Dantman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Nathan_Larson/Bounties
[05:04:25] <Werdna>	beagle?
[05:04:28] <SQLDb>	mmmm beagle
[05:04:43] <Werdna>	wtf is that? :)
[05:04:53] <SQLDb>	Werdna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_(software)
[05:05:09] <Werdna>	oh, that search thing
[05:05:14] <SQLDb>	in debian at least, it's integrated with Ff / iceweasel and thunderbird among others
[05:05:26] <SQLDb>	lets me search for vague things I remember in pages I've been to :P
[05:06:01] <SQLDb>	I must use it 20 times a day, at least....
[05:06:37] <SQLDb>	also spiders my /home, which, is invaluable as poorly organized as THAT is....
[05:36:56] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39809 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: 
[05:36:56] <CIA-57>	* Fix date space evening
[05:36:56] <CIA-57>	* Free result while making image
[05:36:56] <CIA-57>	* Remove unused vars
[05:37:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API returns bad encoded XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15261  (10maxsem.wiki)
[05:44:40] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39810 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: tweak axis marks
[05:53:55] <wantok>	hi all. if i'm authenticating against ldap, how can i set an ldap user (or two) to sysop?
[05:54:04] <wantok>	i havent managed to find any info on it yet (still looking though)
[05:58:39] <wantok>	some way of making sysop's or beurocrats i guess is what i need
[05:58:53] <CIA-57>	03tstarling * r39811 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordReset/PasswordReset_body.php: Don't fail when $wgTitle isn't set (observed in combination with CentralAuth)
[05:59:29] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[05:59:52] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hi
[06:01:36] <Werdna>	!userrights
[06:01:36] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[06:01:45] <Werdna>	hm.
[06:01:50] <Werdna>	not what i wasafter
[06:01:58] <Werdna>	wantok: Special:userrights
[06:02:14] <Werdna>	TimStarling: did anything bad happen with global blocking today?
[06:02:36] <TimStarling>	don't think so
[06:03:00] *Werdna 	was busy doing his 4-unit exam
[06:03:34] <wantok>	i just found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication#Adding_WikiSysop too
[06:07:51] <Dantman>	Agh... anyone got links to information on the .wiki tld? I thought I bookmarked it but I appear to have lost them, and there is nothing on google.
[06:24:31] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39812 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[06:24:31] <CIA-57>	updates for archive.org downloader
[06:24:31] <CIA-57>	other minor fixes
[06:27:25] <_mary_kate_>	oh fun, the interwiki map has been taken over by enwiki policy lawyers
[06:27:35] <_mary_kate_>	now there's a whole list of criteria to add a link
[06:28:17] <Werdna>	haha
[06:28:27] <Werdna>	annoy them and add one anyway :)
[06:28:56] <_mary_kate_>	cary wanted to add otrs: and they're arguing about whether it's "useful to many people"
[06:29:04] <Werdna>	just add it.
[06:29:14] <_mary_kate_>	cary can add it.. i don't really care if it's there
[06:29:15] <Dantman>	heh
[07:02:26] <Lady_Aleena>	Are all possible symbols listed under Symbols under the edit window?
[07:03:01] <Nikerabbit>	god thanks no
[07:03:22] <Nikerabbit>	people should learn to use character maps
[07:03:31] <Lady_Aleena>	I swear there was a character entity for a check mark, but now can't find it on the character entity list.
[07:04:43] <Lady_Aleena>	And I need to stay away from images in this new table.
[07:06:22] <_mary_kate_>	all possible unicode symbols is over 65,000 characters
[07:06:56] <Charitwo>	Lady_Aleena: close thing i found was √ for Square Root ( U+221A )
[07:07:01] <Charitwo>	closest
[07:07:24] <Lady_Aleena>	ANSI code please?
[07:07:56] <Charitwo>	hmm, don't have that
[07:08:02] <_mary_kate_>	U+2713 CHECK MARK
[07:08:18] <_mary_kate_>	U+2714 HEAVY CHECK MARK
[07:08:23] <_mary_kate_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick_(checkmark)
[07:09:17] *Lady_Aleena 	goes to read.
[07:11:23] <Lady_Aleena>	Blast, the article doesn't have to ansi code for it, so I can't type it in.
[07:11:54] <Dantman>	^_^ You sure it's part of ANSII?
[07:12:06] <_mary_kate_>	if only you could somehow select text and copy it to the edit form
[07:12:08] <Dantman>	Half these special unicode symbols are multibyte
[07:12:25] <_mary_kate_>	Dantman: lots of people seem to use ANSI when they mean non-ASCII... i decided its futile to correct everyone ;)
[07:12:30] <sn4ke>	hi all, my mediawiki has a problem. during the installation of a google map extension occurs the following error: Fatal error: Call to a member function selectRow() on a non-object in /path/wiki/includes/User.php on line 826. I deinstall the extension but the error is still occur
[07:14:35] <Charitwo>	sn4ke: the error may still occur if the bit is still in your localsettings but not in your extensions folder
[07:15:32] <sn4ke>	you mean the google map include command?
[07:16:37] <Lady_Aleena>	@_mary_kate_, do you know how can get the tick to display in my text editor?
[07:17:49] <_mary_kate_>	use a font with unicode characters
[07:21:10] <Lady_Aleena>	@_mary_kate_, I don't have the option to change fonts at the moment.
[07:23:55] <Lady_Aleena>	This is frustrating, all I need to do to get a multiplication sign is type <alt>+0215. 
[07:24:00] *Lady_Aleena 	keeps looking.
[07:24:25] *Werdna 	throws things at Lady_Aleena 
[07:24:32] <Splarka>	make an mwcustomeditbutton?
[07:24:42] <Lady_Aleena>	That's not nice Werdna.
[07:24:55] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, a whatchamawhozit?
[07:25:07] <Splarka>	a toolbar button above your edit window
[07:25:33] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, I turned that thing off over 2 years ago. I think I have it display:none'd in my css.
[07:25:49] <newstar>	Hi i have a question to ask
[07:25:59] <Lady_Aleena>	My edit window is very spartan.
[07:26:10] <Lady_Aleena>	newstar, just ask.
[07:26:14] <Lady_Aleena>	:)
[07:26:33] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: if I can find it in two minutes, you fail.
[07:26:52] <Duesentrieb>	oh, wb mwbot :)
[07:26:59] <Lady_Aleena>	Werdna, it has been a while since I had to search for anything like this, so my search terms may be wrongt.
[07:27:02] <Lady_Aleena>	wrong even.
[07:27:21] <newstar>	my wiki would have all articles categorized on the page say like Introduction, food, Hotel etc.. so i want to know is there anyway when a user make a new page rather than the normal edit page.. i have say input form like Food and then a text box so that when the users finishes writing the article its completely formated
[07:28:21] <newstar>	instead of writing the whole thing on a blank page i have various text boxes and all the user has to fill in those forms and press submit and it would genereate a page with a toc etc
[07:28:57] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: try alt-2713
[07:29:15] <Werdna>	or, you know, copy and paste this symbol
[07:29:17] <Lady_Aleena>	�
[07:29:22] <Werdna>	✓
[07:30:14] <Lady_Aleena>	I need find/replace in the edit window, so that I can do things like this without having to use my text editor which isn't all that great.
[07:30:26] <Dantman>	newstar: What you're talking about sounds a lot like what Semantic Forms offers
[07:30:48] <_mary_kate_>	Lady_Aleena: if you can't paste the symbol, you can't type it with alt either
[07:31:23] <Lady_Aleena>	@_mary_kate_, that is what the problem seems to be, and I would like to use it instead of long worded link text.
[07:31:38] <Werdna>	Lady_Aleena: or, you could type &#2713;
[07:31:46] <Werdna>	it'll appear properly in the page itself :)
[07:31:50] <Lady_Aleena>	@_mary_kate_, I can paste it to Excel, but not my text editor.
[07:31:50] <_mary_kate_>	isn't it &#x2713;?
[07:32:09] <Werdna>	_mary_kate_: I dunno.
[07:32:29] <Splarka>	A99? or 10003?
[07:32:35] <Werdna>	yeah, _mary_kate_ is right
[07:33:10] <Splarka>	Lady_Aleena: or you could just enable your toolbar and customize it with more buttons
[07:33:11] <Splarka>	super simple
[07:33:28] <Splarka>	(you can also use zocky's searchbox, which does regex search/replace in the edit box)
[07:34:34] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, no, I will use @_mary_kate_'s solution. It goes everywhere. :)
[07:34:46] <Splarka>	5 clicks instead of 1, your choice
[07:35:20] <_mary_kate_>	the @ is not part of my nick, btw ;)
[07:35:38] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, actually, it is just one cell that needs to be changed in the spreadsheet that I need to change.
[07:36:10] <Lady_Aleena>	And that made no sense whatsoever.
[07:36:24] <Lady_Aleena>	ACK! Sorry, I am a bit distracted at the moment.
[07:36:39] <_mary_kate_>	Splarka: op nazi
[07:36:50] <Splarka>	Fire told me I am allowed to do that if you forget to unset it
[07:36:55] <_mary_kate_>	heh
[07:37:01] <Splarka>	cuz it is against freenode niceness policy
[07:37:05] <_mary_kate_>	i don't forget.  he whined at me for ages and calls me lots of names
[07:37:11] <Lady_Aleena>	_mary_kate_, okay, I will not use it anymore, though I am using the tab key to fully get the usernames. Sorry...
[07:37:11] <_mary_kate_>	i think the policy is stupid and ignore it
[07:37:22] <newstar>	can using semantic forms solve the problem?
[07:37:27] <Splarka>	how can _anyone_ call you names that you don't call yourself? heh
[07:38:06] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  +comment (10david.doherty)
[07:40:23] <Splarka>	anyway Lady_Aleena
[07:40:25] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?r93xnYrnyaTVyunQPRJKHw
[07:40:47] <Splarka>	and you can do that for any symbols you use often
[07:40:53] <Splarka>	but are too lazy to type
[07:41:46] *Splarka 	hides from her wrath
[07:41:57] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, I am not too lazy to type them, just need to know how to make them work anywhere.
[07:43:44] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, and I would not have any wrathful feelings towards you, you have done a lot of cool things for me, and I am grateful.
[07:44:27] <Lady_Aleena>	It only I could get the attention of the person who wrote a script that is great, but I feel could use a little tweak.
[07:45:17] <Splarka>	or learn javascript
[07:45:18] <newstar>	!help semantic forms
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[07:45:29] <newstar>	!semantic forms
[07:45:29] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "semantic". You might try: !semanticmediawiki !smw 
[07:45:35] <newstar>	!smw
[07:45:35] --mwbot--	SemanticMediaWiki is an extension that lets you conenct wiki pages with semantic relations. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_MediaWiki> and <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/>. Mailing lists are available at <http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=147937>.
[07:46:07] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, I tried, but it is too confusing.
[07:46:19] <Lady_Aleena>	There are no hard and fast rules to go by.
[07:46:47] <Splarka>	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[07:47:17] <Splarka>	one thing I agree with river on, "semantic" is stabbin' words
[07:52:06] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, would you look at a script and tell me how to make something appear at the bottom of the edit box instead of at the top?
[07:54:49] <Splarka>	link?
[07:55:28] <Lady_Aleena>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ais523/bracketmatch.js the word Parse appears at the top, I would prefer it at the bottom of the edit window next to the buttons.
[07:55:48] <Lady_Aleena>	I think it is towrads the bottom of the script.
[07:57:43] <Splarka>	(loading crap, can't look yet)
[07:58:31] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, take your time...
[08:01:07] <Lady_Aleena>	Oh, btw, I made another table, but used that class you gave me that suppresses red links instead of #ifexist. :) And did anything come out of that conversation about using images in links, sort of like [[this|[[Image:this.svg|10px]]]]?
[08:11:00] <Splarka>	Lady_Aleena: looks fine at the top for me, but I have edittools enabled ^_^
[08:11:10] <Splarka>	hmmm
[08:11:40] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, you should see how spartan my edit window is.
[08:12:21] <Lady_Aleena>	Also, having all those images load for the buttons takes too much time.
[08:12:43] <Splarka>	frankly my dear, I'd rather quote Gone with the Wind
[08:13:00] <Splarka>	heh
[08:13:35] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gone_With_the_Wind
[08:13:35] <Splarka>	this script is annoyingly arranged
[08:14:09] <Lady_Aleena>	Splarka, I just found it on a list of scripts, and like it because it helps me figure things out when I am writing templates.
[08:15:27] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39813 10/trunk/extensions/ (35 files in 31 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-22 09:56 CEST)
[08:18:26] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39814 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (30 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-22 09:56 CEST)
[08:20:00] <Dantman>	T_T Trying to view IRC at 640x480px hurts the eyes...
[08:20:45] *Werdna 	uses a slightly higher resolution
[08:21:42] <Dantman>	32bit color is alright though...
[08:31:54] <Caldrin>	Hi!
[08:33:06] <Caldrin>	I use a Template with parameters. Is there a way to prevent people from using this Template without specifying all parameters? 
[08:33:46] <Caldrin>	I'd like Mediawiki to prevent saving when some parameters are not set. How do I do this?
[08:35:04] <Duesentrieb>	Caldrin: that is not possible
[08:35:22] <Duesentrieb>	because of the "any text is valid text" paradigm.
[08:35:28] <Splarka>	indeed
[08:35:33] <Splarka>	but you can give lots of warning
[08:35:50] <Duesentrieb>	Caldrin: you can, however, make the values default to some fat red message saying "you forget to specify X" 
[08:36:03] <Caldrin>	Ok, thank you.
[08:36:18] <Duesentrieb>	{{{foo|<big style="color:red">pay attention you moron!</big>}}}
[08:36:43] <Duesentrieb>	well, maybe a bit more friendly
[08:36:46] <Duesentrieb>	but you get the idea
[08:37:15] <Caldrin>	I do, yes ;-)
[08:37:56] <_mary_kate_>	isn't <big> one of those evil antisemitic tags?  or unsemantic, whatever
[08:38:50] <Duesentrieb>	sure is
[08:39:03] <Duesentrieb>	wikitext is unseamntic.
[08:39:14] <Duesentrieb>	that's why '' renders as <i> not <e> :)
[08:40:01] <siebrand>	Dantman: I got flamed for saying it was utterly broken from an i18n perspective, but at least I said why. Could you please elaborate on-list, because that would immediately give Guy a chance to improve...
[08:40:12] <Duesentrieb>	all that talk about semantic markup is pretty obolete anyway. html has emerged as a thin client ui markup language. so it's mainly graphical these days.
[08:40:30] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[08:40:42] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[08:40:48] <Dantman>	siebrand: Huh?
[08:40:56] <siebrand>	Werdna: can you please update the logging message of GlobalBlocking asap? A local change on meta: does not help much.
[08:41:13] <siebrand>	Dantman: Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML/Inline/Visual Diff
[08:41:31] <Dantman>	Oh... honesly I have no words I can use...
[08:41:44] <Dantman>	The whole thing is broken... I can't get a single usable diff out of it
[08:41:56] <siebrand>	Dantman: then can you maybe provide a screenshot? Because I do...
[08:42:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:42:45] <siebrand>	Dantman: see for example http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:Group_statistics&diff=670612&oldid=669212&htmldiff=1
[08:43:12] <siebrand>	Dantman: yesterday I also identified a few issues, but together with Guy we identified where the issues were.
[08:43:49] <Dantman>	Reenabled on http://sandbox.wiki-tools.com
[08:44:17] <Dantman>	Obviously it's because I don't have large textual articles...
[08:44:37] <Dantman>	But when diffs are completely useless for anything but textual articles, there's an issue
[08:45:32] <siebrand>	Dantman: hmm, you enabled it differently than we did on Betawiki, I think.
[08:45:37] <_mary_kate_>	siebrand: i think you were flamed for the way you said it, which came across as a little rude
[08:46:10] <siebrand>	Dantman: we use the 'standard' diff by default, and have a choice to use visual diff.
[08:46:30] <siebrand>	Dantman: not certain what difference in config that is caused by.
[08:46:39] <Duesentrieb>	imho it's nice as an option, but no good as a replacement
[08:46:41] <Duesentrieb>	and indeed, it
[08:46:50] <Duesentrieb>	is only any good for comparing flow text
[08:49:00] <siebrand>	Dantman: looks like you disabled it again. But I wasn't able to get any useful visual diffs in your wiki either. It is very text orentied, though.
[08:49:10] <Dantman>	mhmm
[08:49:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10david.doherty)
[08:50:01] <Dantman>	T_T Ugh... viewing e-mails in safe mode takes to long...
[08:50:35] <siebrand>	anyway, off to work. Just give that visual diff a beating. It's what the author wants, and needs, to be able to improve it.
[08:55:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:55:55] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39815 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Fix log entries
[09:00:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:07:49] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Trimmed multibyte characters result in invalid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15261  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:07:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10david.doherty)
[09:10:13] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[09:14:39] <AaronSchulz>	meow
[09:14:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:15:43] <Nikerabbit>	woof
[09:15:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:16:58] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) SQLException while loading spanish dump - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14958  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:17:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error while loading a spanish database dump with mwdumper - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14379  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:17:46] <lukeskywalker>	hi, is here anybody from germany?
[09:18:39] <lukeskywalker>	i have got a problem with our mediawiki and ldap-authentication
[09:19:37] <Nikerabbit>	and how does that relate to being in germany?
[09:20:32] <lukeskywalker>	because i can write my question in german^^
[09:20:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  (10david.doherty)
[09:21:45] <lukeskywalker>	so i will tell u my problem in german:
[09:24:49] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39816 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: 
[09:24:49] <CIA-57>	* Keep, but hide form in certain cases per bug 15249
[09:24:49] <CIA-57>	* Fix doc
[09:24:49] <CIA-57>	* Whitespace
[09:25:02] <lukeskywalker>	here in our company we have user names in the active directory with an unnderscore (_) in like jobs_steve. now the problem is, when in enter this username to log on the wiki the _ get replaced by a blank
[09:25:45] <lukeskywalker>	so the active directory gets a "wrong" username and abords the communication
[09:26:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Make flagging from difflinks for unsighted pages less error prone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:26:44] <lukeskywalker>	so here's my question: what can i do that the underscore will getting not replaced bi a blank?
[09:26:56] <lukeskywalker>	please help me
[09:28:04] <guyvdb>	wow I never knew I spoke german :)
[09:28:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:LDAP_Authentication#Problems_with_underlines_in_username_.28AD.29
[09:28:21] <Splarka>	guyvdb: been travelling with The Doctor maybe? 
[09:28:42] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:LDAP_Authentication#Problems_authenticating_usernames_with_underscore_character.28s.29
[09:28:47] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:LDAP_Authentication#Problem_with_Underscores_in_User_Names
[09:31:26] <lukeskywalker>	yeah, thanks
[09:31:45] <TimStarling>	somebody broke our redirect images
[09:33:27] <TimStarling>	hmmm
[09:33:32] <CIA-57>	03jojo * r39817 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): use {{PLURAL:}}
[09:33:37] <TimStarling>	*I* broke our redirect images, in r6776
[09:33:48] <_mary_kate_>	that was a long time ago
[09:33:56] <TimStarling>	a long time for nobody to notice
[09:34:06] <puzzlet>	what's a redirect image
[09:34:21] <TimStarling>	the arrow on redirect pages, it's transparent with little flecks of antialiased white
[09:34:40] <Splarka>	mmm, white-background-assumptions
[09:34:53] <Splarka>	(why do people do that, and even bother with transparency)
[09:35:17] <_mary_kate_>	easy to do by accident
[09:35:27] <_mary_kate_>	convert the white background to transparent without realising it's anti aliased
[09:35:52] *Splarka 	has a non-white default background in browser so sees them often... and web pages that fail to define a white background for the body..
[09:36:11] <_mary_kate_>	so many websites do that i gave up and switches back to a white background
[09:36:24] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/spinner.gif?revision=24293  <-- check out the old version of the spinner on a different background
[09:36:49] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39818 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: 
[09:36:49] <CIA-57>	* Fix previous commit: only do this for diffs
[09:36:49] <CIA-57>	* Tone down some UI
[09:36:50] <Splarka>	heh
[09:36:53] <Nikerabbit>	!rev 6776
[09:36:53] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=6776
[09:37:28] <Splarka>	even if it is T*m's fault, the statute of limitations has expired
[09:37:32] <TimStarling>	ok, problem solved, I did a colour inversion in GIMP
[09:37:48] <TimStarling>	so now it's white, transparent background, and little flecks of black
[09:38:21] <TimStarling>	not exactly generally applicable
[09:38:40] <Splarka>	no SVG version to rerender with no flecks?
[09:47:45] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39819 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.css): * Use CSS to allow easier overriding. No need to change the ID anymore.
[09:49:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User right 'editprotected' on Spanish Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15262 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (fballesteros)
[09:51:32] <CIA-57>	03nikerabbit * r39820 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (7 files in 2 dirs): * Some nicer PD icons to replace the ugly percentages
[09:53:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User right 'editprotected' on Spanish Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15262   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[09:54:13] <newstar>	my wiki would have all articles categorized on the page say like Introduction, food, Hotel etc.. so i want to know is there anyway when a user make a new page rather than the normal edit page.. i have say input form like Food and then a text box so that when the users finishes writing the article its completely formated
[09:54:25] <newstar>	well can semantic form do wad i want?
[09:57:53] *AaronSchulz 	reads http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gpl-american-way.html
[10:11:20] <newstar>	?
[10:18:36] <Werdna>	newstar: inputbox, semanticforms perhaps
[10:20:48] <vinodhrajan>	How to Parse $text to create the corresponding HTML Code for the wiki text ?
[10:23:17] <newstar>	hmm okay shall have a look at sematic forms
[10:26:33] <siebrand>	Werdna: thanks for the logging fix.
[10:28:17] <guyvdb>	Daniel Friesen here?
[10:29:12] <newstar>	is semantic mediawiki and mw diff?
[10:29:16] <newstar>	coz the extension says
[10:29:25] <newstar>	Having Semantic MediaWiki installed is a precondition for the Semantic Forms extension; the code will not fully work without it.
[10:29:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Block time and expiry time coincide in IP block log. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15263 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:30:39] <siebrand>	guyvdb: he is "Dantman" in here (and not here atm)
[10:30:59] <siebrand>	guyvdb: I basically already asked him the same question you did, but on IRC.
[10:31:17] <siebrand>	guyvdb: In his wiki the visual diff indeed did hardly anything useful.
[10:31:31] <siebrand>	guyvdb: let me look up the URLs... Gimme a sec.
[10:31:35] <guyvdb>	I'm not sure if it shouldn't work for his content
[10:31:43] <siebrand>	http://sandbox.wiki-tools.com
[10:31:57] <guyvdb>	yeah I'm stealing some articles from there
[10:32:27] <siebrand>	guyvdb: he's got it disabled at the moment.
[10:32:57] <siebrand>	guyvdb: ah, ok, you're able to reproduce it elsewhere. Ik ben op mijn werk, niet echt bereikbaar. Maar je mag Betawiki ook gebruiken om te testen...
[10:33:07] <guyvdb>	np
[10:33:12] <guyvdb>	test.wikipedia.org
[10:42:59] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Block time and expiry time coincide in IP block log. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15263  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:58:49] <newstar>	does use of many extension reduce the loading speed of the wiki?
[11:06:40] <Guido_>	Hi, after upgrading from 1.12 to 1.13, I get: Fatal error: Call to undefined method LinkCache::getGoodLinkFieldObj() in .../includes/Title.php
[11:07:34] <Guido_>	The main page won't show, unless I try &action=purge and then don't purge
[11:08:46] <Guido_>	The failing call is: getGoodLinkFieldObj( $this, 'length' ) );
[11:08:55] <Guido_>	Hi ialex
[11:09:09] <ialex>	hello Guido_
[11:09:19] <Guido_>	I have an upgrade problem
[11:09:36] <Guido_>	after upgrading from 1.12 to 1.13, I get: Fatal error: Call to undefined method LinkCache::getGoodLinkFieldObj() in .../includes/Title.php
[11:10:13] <Guido_>	The main page won't show, unless I try &action=purge and then don't purge
[11:10:47] <ialex>	Guido_: this method exists in LinkCache
[11:10:55] <ialex>	weird
[11:11:06] <CIA-57>	03jojo * r39821 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Help_Collections.txt: document Category:Exclude in print
[11:12:05] <ialex>	Guido_: are you sure that the includes/LinkCache.php file is the one from 1.13?
[11:12:30] <Guido_>		function getGoodLinkID( $title ) {
[11:12:30] <Guido_>			if ( array_key_exists( $title, $this->mGoodLinks ) ) {
[11:12:30] <Guido_>				return $this->mGoodLinks[$title];
[11:12:30] <Guido_>			} else {
[11:12:30] <Guido_>				return 0;
[11:12:31] <Guido_>			}
[11:12:33] <Guido_>		}
[11:12:44] <MinuteElectron>	that's not the right function
[11:12:49] <ialex>	search for getGoodLinkFieldObj()
[11:13:00] <Guido_>	Hmmm, I have simply overwritten all files
[11:13:50] <Guido_>	That function is not in LinkCache
[11:15:20] <ialex>	take this version http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/LinkCache.php?revision=35098&content-type=text%2Fplain then
[11:16:42] <Guido_>	wth it seems that LinkCache.php was not overwritten
[11:16:57] <Guido_>	How can that be?
[11:17:55] <ialex>	you forgot that file? :)
[11:18:17] <Guido_>	No, I simply ftp'd the whole directory
[11:18:47] <Guido_>	I see now that some other files are old, too
[11:18:57] <CIA-57>	03jojo * r39822 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/README.txt: document $wgCollectionStartPage
[11:26:02] <CIA-57>	03rotem * r39823 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Localization: Removing third parameter from more translations.
[11:27:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User right 'editprotected' on Spanish Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15262  (10meno25wiki)
[11:28:58] <jMCg>	!wg VerifyMimeType
[11:28:58] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgVerifyMimeType
[11:29:07] <siebrand>	guyvdb: this diff looks strange: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki%3AUploadtext%2Ffy&htmldiff=1&diff=671183&oldid=646800
[11:30:00] <siebrand>	guyvdb: the red part in the second paragraph is actually a change at the start of the text.
[11:30:13] <jMCg>	Is there anything else other than verifyMimeType that would disallow me to upload Files containing HTML like Markup (such as .mm, i.e.: Mind Maps)
[11:44:13] <Sterkebak>	Hi all
[11:45:09] <Sterkebak>	Is het possible for all user's to make to manual  in there language?
[11:46:13] <Sterkebak>	Translate is the word i was looking for
[11:46:20] <Splarka>	jMCg: $wgFileBlacklist
[11:46:37] <Sterkebak>	:-)
[11:46:54] <Splarka>	$wgVerifyMimeType disables $wgMimeTypeBlacklist but not that one
[11:47:36] <Splarka>	also make sure $wgStrictFileExtensions is false or $wgFileExtensions includes the extension
[11:50:49] <vinodhrajan>	I get the following error while parsing wikitext inside a mw extension:
[11:50:51] <vinodhrajan>	Call to a member function preprocess() on a non-object in /home/noolaham/public_html/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/WikiToWordPress.php on line 59
[11:51:18] <vinodhrajan>	I called the Functions Like this:  $wgparser->preprocess($text, $article->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $option);
[11:57:25] <jMCg>	Splarka: http://dpaste.com/73190/ -- and it still complains about "This file contains HTML or script code that may be erroneously interpreted by a web browser. 
[11:57:46] <jMCg>	Which makes me wonder if it's not cached by the browser....
[11:58:02] <jMCg>	But I don't think so.
[11:58:23] <jMCg>	Nope. Not cached.
[12:00:16] <Splarka>	<Splarka> jMCg: $wgFileBlacklist
[12:01:02] <Splarka>	$wgFileExtensions only matters with $wgStrictFileExtensions, $wgMimeTypeBlacklist only matters with $wgVerifyMimeType
[12:01:04] <Splarka>	BUT
[12:01:16] <Splarka>	$wgFileBlacklist ignores all 4 of those AFAIK
[12:01:40] <Splarka>	...
[12:02:00] <jMCg>	Splarka: http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Fizzbin
[12:02:50] <Splarka>	nope, can't load wikia pages, takes too long and freezes my browser for an annoying timeperiod
[12:03:21] <Splarka>	your pastebin http://dpaste.com/73190/ did nothing apparent to address $wgFileBlacklist
[12:03:27] <Splarka>	have you considered... trying it?
[12:05:16] <jMCg>	Yup. Did that just now, i.e.: Set it to = array(); with the very same result.
[12:05:59] <Splarka>	well, then I don't know ^_^
[12:06:48] <jMCg>	This is silly.
[12:07:31] <newstar>	 hi i need some help on semantic wiki plz.
[12:08:28] <xeor>	Is there anyway to use {{{1}}} inside an template, and inside <extension> tags? It just gets rendered as {{{1}}}.. I have {{{1}}} outside the tags to, which is rendered correctly.. Is there any tricks?
[12:08:34] <Nikerabbit>	as far as I know, no smw developers lurk here
[12:08:34] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39824 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/SiteConfiguration.php): Quick hook to allow reusers of SiteConfiguration to customise siteFromDB, which is pretty wikimedia-specific
[12:09:20] <Splarka>	xeor: #tag
[12:09:35] <Splarka>	turns tag extension hooks into parserfunctions
[12:09:48] <Splarka>	(1.13 plus, available in 1.12 as an extension, IIRC)
[12:09:50] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39825 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php: *ahem*
[12:10:34] <xeor>	Splarka, so I can do <extension>#1</extension>? Or #extension#? Didnt really understand that one... :]
[12:10:46] <newstar>	nikerrabbit: where can i find them?
[12:10:51] <ialex>	Werdna: 
[12:10:52] <ialex>	Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfRunHooks() in /Library/WebServer/Documents/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php on line 224
[12:10:52] <Splarka>	well, for example, <imagemap>
[12:11:06] <Splarka>	{{#tag:imagemap| ..parameters.. }}
[12:11:26] <Splarka>	xeor: what version are you on?
[12:11:31] <xeor>	ahh... I see :=)
[12:11:31] <Nikerabbit>	newstar: no idea, tell me if you find out
[12:11:39] <xeor>	I'm on current (1.13)
[12:12:05] <xeor>	Just installed it, been doing configuration and setup for the last 4 days
[12:12:17] <xeor>	That saved my day! Thanks!
[12:12:27] <Splarka>	rar
[12:14:56] <newstar>	well wad i m tryin to do is that, when the user click on edit or create a page .. instead of the blank edit screen i want a form based input..
[12:15:21] <newstar>	semantic can do it, but cant find enough documentation
[12:16:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow cross-wiki renaming by stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10011  (10meno25wiki)
[12:18:35] <ialex>	Werdna: imo, all what is in SiteConfiguration should be usable in LocalSettings.php without GlobalFunction.php or Hooks.php loaded
[12:21:17] <newstar>	Nikerabbit: #semantic-mediawiki
[12:21:54] <faceface>	are there any common tricks to improve the diff output from MW?
[12:22:11] <faceface>	I'm using it to compare two un tracked word documents (save as text)
[12:22:46] <faceface>	I know this isn't MW's core function ;-) I am just wondering if I can improve the diff output by changing the diff command
[12:22:46] <siebrand>	faceface: well, a few days ago a visual diff was checked in and the developer really wants feedback...
[12:22:51] <faceface>	or engine
[12:23:01] <faceface>	svn you say?
[12:23:19] <siebrand>	faceface: yes, you have to run 1.14alpha current for it.
[12:23:36] <siebrand>	$wgEnableHtmlDiff        = true;
[12:24:06] <faceface>	can I pester you for the svn command ;D
[12:24:45] <Nikerabbit>	svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[12:24:47] *faceface 	breaks international lazy records
[12:24:53] <siebrand>	faceface: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN
[12:26:54] <faceface>	thanks guys
[12:28:46] <faceface>	since I'm here, are there any Apache specific tweeks for MW?
[12:29:00] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Apache_configuration
[12:29:24] <Nikerabbit>	tweaks?
[12:29:30] <Nikerabbit>	which kind?
[12:29:30] <faceface>	hmm. there isn't much there...
[12:29:41] <faceface>	Nikerabbit, like specific modules or caching settings that are best for MW
[12:30:14] <Nikerabbit>	prolly not much in apache for that
[12:30:22] <faceface>	Cool
[12:30:24] <Nikerabbit>	maybe in php config... or install lighttpd
[12:30:33] <faceface>	I'll add my bot config tot that page
[12:31:46] <siebrand>	faceface: you may want to consider using a caching engine.
[12:32:00] <faceface>	php pear module?
[12:32:15] <Nikerabbit>	I actually wonder if rely too much on caching :D
[12:32:24] <Nikerabbit>	+we
[12:32:41] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: apc/xcache for the code and memcached for mediawiki
[12:33:50] <faceface>	well... your svn server could be faster...
[12:33:52] *faceface 	waits
[12:34:09] <faceface>	who reads all these languages anyway!
[12:34:56] <Werdna>	ialex|afk: poke me when you're back.
[12:35:04] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: I do
[12:35:14] <faceface>	siebrand, any screen shot for what I could expect?
[12:35:21] <faceface>	Nikerabbit, learn engils!
[12:35:37] *faceface 	likes monoculture... 
[12:35:52] <faceface>	not really... but language can be culturally specific
[12:36:00] <siebrand>	faceface: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Betawiki%3ANews&htmldiff=1&diff=505838&oldid=494817
[12:37:35] <faceface>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Main_Page&htmldiff=1&diff=537130&oldid=537125 ??
[12:37:54] <siebrand>	faceface: and it does not always work. Uses a lot of memory, or can time out.
[12:38:11] <faceface>	siebrand, can you point me at another page with some edits?
[12:38:20] *faceface 	looks for a 'random page'
[12:39:07] <siebrand>	faceface: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support
[12:40:26] <faceface>	siebrand, ty. However, they are all just neat additions
[12:40:35] <faceface>	I want crazy edit conflict mayhem
[12:40:51] <siebrand>	faceface: we hardly have that...
[12:40:58] <siebrand>	faceface: lemme think...
[12:41:05] *faceface 	goes to the sandbox
[12:41:25] <siebrand>	faceface: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics could be a bit wild...
[12:41:47] <siebrand>	faceface: at least a lot of very small changes.
[12:42:16] <vinodhraj>	how to use Parser Object inside a mediawiki extension ? I want to parse $text to generate the equivalent HTML Code.
[12:42:18] <faceface>	I'll just have to try it with my two docs and see if its better than what I have already
[12:46:45] <faceface>	hmm... 
[12:46:49] <faceface>	killed firefox
[12:47:24] <faceface>	which is better than when firefox kills gnome...
[12:47:47] <vinodhra>	 how to use Parser Object inside a mediawiki extension ? I want to parse $text to generate the equivalent HTML Code. (Sorry to ask again. Got Disconnected)
[12:49:03] <Nikerabbit>	vinodhra: in a hook?
[12:49:10] <Platonides>	vinodhra, use the parse() method
[12:49:23] <faceface>	OK, I got visual
[12:49:53] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: I'm not an aeroplane
[12:49:53] <faceface>	right... let me see if I can actually do any work like this... 
[12:50:00] <faceface>	10-4
[12:52:45] <faceface>	now I'm actually thinking that I could save both documetns with wiki-text format, and then visually diff them... that could work!
[12:56:42] *jMCg 	blames archivist for good measure.
[12:59:05] *archivist 	returns the blame in double measure
[12:59:35] <jMCg>	I'm actually quite sure this is your fault!
[13:00:44] <archivist>	I am completely innocent :))
[13:03:02] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39826 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php: Only run hooks if Hooks.php has been loaded (i.e. we CAN run them)
[13:03:20] <Werdna>	ialex|afk: hopefully that will fix your problem.
[13:04:45] <jMCg>	archivist: I have set 5 options to ignore mimtypes, filetypes, add file extensions and flush the blacklist and whatnot, and I'm still not able to upload this crap.
[13:04:52] <jMCg>	This MUST be your evil doing.
[13:06:31] <jMCg>	http://dpaste.com/73203/ there.. and it "doesn't work".
[13:06:44] <archivist>	but I is eating mah dinnerz, being a good boy
[13:07:22] <jMCg>	You eat dinner at two o'clock?!
[13:14:32] <CIA-57>	03jojo * r39827 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php Collection.php): 
[13:14:32] <CIA-57>	* rename occurances of "pdf server" to "mw-serve" or "render server"
[13:14:32] <CIA-57>	* allow re-rendering of cached documents (fixes http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/271)
[13:20:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redlinks contaminate existing article searches with underscores - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15264 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (beland)
[13:22:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add "dumpHTML" as "component" for the product " MediaWiki extensions" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15265 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (emmanuel)
[13:23:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bureaucrats on the Arabic (ar) Wikipedia no longer can set user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15266 04CRIT; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (meno25wiki)
[13:29:11] <CIA-57>	03jojo * r39828 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): typo fix. show info about excluded templates (fixes http://code.pediapress.com/wiki/ticket/275)
[13:31:05] <ialex>	Werda
[13:31:08] <ialex>	oops
[13:31:12] *ialex 	poes Werdna
[13:31:22] <ialex>	hi Jack_Phoenix
[13:31:27] <ialex>	*pokes
[13:31:38] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[13:35:35] <Valter>	Hi people! My intention is use MediaWiki as a CMS, where few "editors" will edit the content. Is there any way to prevent visitor to create an account and modify the site content?
[13:35:58] <ialex>	!wg GroupPermissions
[13:35:58] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions
[13:37:10] <lukeskywalker>	hi fans,
[13:38:05] <lukeskywalker>	has anyone of you used $wgLDAPRequiredGroups?
[13:38:18] <lukeskywalker>	i've got a problem
[13:40:32] <Werdna>	ialex: hmm?
[13:40:43] <Werdna>	!access | Valter 
[13:40:43] --mwbot--	Valter: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[13:41:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	+ note that MediaWiki's not meant to be a content management system
[13:41:48] <Werdna>	!e ConfirmEdit
[13:41:48] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
[13:42:45] <ialex>	Werdna: for SiteFromDB hook, this means that SiteConfiguration::siteFromDB() has two different behaviour whether the wfRunHooks is defined or not
[13:44:13] <ialex>	*function
[13:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) internal_api_error_DBQueryError when API action login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15267 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (damien.flament)
[13:45:43] <lukeskywalker>	because only the user who is in a special group of our active directory should be able to loggin on the wiki
[13:45:50] <lukeskywalker>	you understand?
[13:46:05] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Special page for recent changes in unwatched articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13063  +comment (10jlerner)
[13:48:37] <Werdna>	ialex: better than nothing.
[13:48:53] <Werdna>	ialex: Only place I can find it called is in centralauth.
[13:49:16] <ialex>	SiteMatrix too iirc
[13:50:33] <Werdna>	yeah, but that's called when it's been loaded, isn't it?
[13:50:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sitemap-index doesn't include full location path - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675  +comment (10mediawiki)
[13:51:05] <ialex>	yeah
[13:51:22] <ialex>	CentralAuth too, no?
[13:51:24] <Werdna>	I did it because I was frustrated using SiteConfiguration on my own wiki and having CentralAuth try to squeeze me into this language-site thing.
[13:51:27] <Werdna>	right.
[13:51:36] <Werdna>	At least now I can do stuff like this
[13:51:44] <Werdna>	$wgHooks['SiteFromDB'][] = 'efSiteFromDB';
[13:52:07] <Werdna>	function efSiteFromDB( $db, &$site, &$lang ) { $site = substr( $db, 0, -strlen('_wiki') ); return false; }
[13:52:35] <ialex>	Werdna: i'd propose to make a callback function that can return site, wiki tags and replacements
[13:53:02] <ialex>	so that it can be called at every moment during the execution
[13:53:32] <Werdna>	hmm, so $wgConf->siteFromDBCallback = 'myfunc'?
[13:54:22] <ialex>	not only to override siteFromDB()
[13:54:46] <ialex>	but so that you can also use wiki tags when it's called by CentralAuth
[13:55:15] <ialex>	and custom replacements too
[13:56:29] <CIA-57>	03jojo * r39829 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Help_Collections.txt: added Related Pages section to ex. help page
[14:02:23] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Show if current version is sighted in user contribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14814  +comment (10m.l)
[14:12:44] <CIA-57>	03shinjiman * r39830 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (6 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[14:14:29] <[Hyarion]>	uhoh...I think my MySQL connection died while I was deleting an image and now the image isn't there but it can't be restored and it isn't shown in Recentchanges, what's the best way to fix something like that?
[14:14:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show if current version is sighted in user contribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14814  (10m.l)
[14:16:55] <Werdna>	ialex: yeah, tags aren't done very well
[14:16:59] <Werdna>	DarkoNeko: I saw what you did there
[14:19:05] <ialex>	Werdna: may I try to do with the callback?
[14:19:40] <Werdna>	ialex: sure.
[14:21:24] <DarkoNeko>	Werdna ... hm ?
[14:22:11] <ierpe>	hi, i copied my logo to images/logo.jpg and then set $wgLogo = "/images/logo.jpg"; in the localsettings but my logo is not displayed... does it have to have a special format?
[14:23:41] <DarkoNeko>	no, but /images/log/jpg only work if you're on the web root riectory, since it's an absolute link
[14:24:41] <ierpe>	i tried $wgLogo = "$IP/images/logo.jpg" as well
[14:25:20] <ierpe>	doesnt work
[14:26:10] <DarkoNeko>	is the wiki under windows or linux ? maybe be some right problem on the folder/file
[14:26:20] <ierpe>	windows
[14:26:54] <ierpe>	i tried in other folders since the images one is normally used for the upload,  though maybe the permissions would deny it but still doesnt work
[14:27:08] <ierpe>	thought*
[14:28:00] <ierpe>	ok got it now
[14:28:04] <ierpe>	sorry my mistake
[14:28:08] <ierpe>	path problem
[14:29:08] <Gary_Kirk>	I have just downloaded the 1.13.0 files and uploaded them to my webspace and when I go to subdomain.site.org/sitename/wiki I get a blank screen?
[14:29:34] <Simetrical>	!errors | Gary_Kirk 
[14:29:34] --mwbot--	Gary_Kirk:  To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[14:30:04] <Gary_Kirk>	it's a completely new wiki, not upgraded or anything
[14:30:17] <Simetrical>	Same instructions.
[14:30:37] <Gary_Kirk>	hmm all my other wikis are working. ok thanks i'll check
[14:30:52] <Galgamesh>	Can I ask something here ?
[14:31:05] <Gary_Kirk>	so what, i have to set up a phpinfo?
[14:32:10] <Galgamesh>	Ok, how to make editting available for all members but it have to be confirmed by me first ?
[14:32:15] <Werdna>	DarkoNeko: blog post
[14:32:17] <Werdna>	bedtime for andrew
[14:33:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Store->GetInProperties does not sort - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15268 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dvr)
[14:33:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Store->GetInProperties does not sort - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15268  (10dvr)
[14:38:54] <Galgamesh>	Guys, how to make edits have to be confirmed with admin ?
[14:39:23] <Galgamesh>	any noob can miss up pages if I made edits available :|
[14:40:13] <ialex>	Galgamesh: you want edits to be allowed only for admins, or you want admins to review edits?
[14:40:48] <Galgamesh>	ialex: want admins to review edits to make sure edits are not nonsense
[14:41:04] <ialex>	FlaggedRevs may help
[14:41:11] <ialex>	!e FlaggedRevs
[14:41:11] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[14:41:33] <Galgamesh>	Thank you ialex <3 :)
[14:47:46] <Gary_Kirk>	alright I need more help
[14:47:55] <Gary_Kirk>	I am uploading the 1.13.0 files in filezilla
[14:48:19] <Gary_Kirk>	but as soon as it refreshes, most of the files in the mediawiki-1.13.0 (at least) display as 0 bytes
[14:49:50] <Simetrical>	Gary_Kirk, try a different FTP client, perhaps.
[14:49:59] <Simetrical>	Also try re-downloading and seeing if they're really empty or not.
[14:50:16] <Gary_Kirk>	they're not empty on my hard drive
[14:52:20] <Simetrical>	Even when you re-download them from your site after uploading them?
[14:52:59] <Gary_Kirk>	i haven't tried that but I used an online FTP editor to look at them, and they seem to be on the server
[14:53:34] <Gary_Kirk>	Now deleting the whole mediawiki folder and going to re-upload
[14:59:07] <Gary_Kirk>	They're still uploading now as 0 bytes
[14:59:43] <Gary_Kirk>	permissions issue maybe?
[15:00:28] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39831 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: fix png generator
[15:01:05] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39832 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: backport graph fixes
[15:02:30] <Gary_Kirk_>	permissions issue maybe?
[15:04:49] <Simetrical>	Doubt it.
[15:04:55] <Simetrical>	Try a different client.
[15:04:58] <Simetrical>	FTP client, that is.
[15:05:06] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39833 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/svggraph/ (test01.php test02.php test03.php): remove test files
[15:05:12] <Gary_Kirk_>	hmm
[15:10:03] <Gary_Kirk_>	I know. I'll use net2ftp's script to unpack the files straight from the web without touching my computer
[15:17:51] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39834 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/RatingHistory.i18n.php: not on svg graphs
[15:22:51] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39835 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: remove comment
[15:25:38] <vipaca>	I know this a remedial question, However I've seen it done at several sites where the host the site out directly from the server url without subdirectory i.e. wiki or mediawiki? How can you achieve this?
[15:26:40] <^demon>	!shorturls | vipaca
[15:26:40] --mwbot--	vipaca: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[15:26:40] <vipaca>	Also is there an administrator plugin to allow configuration of LocalSetting.php from the website?
[15:26:51] <^demon>	!e Configure | vipaca
[15:26:51] --mwbot--	vipaca: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Configure
[15:29:05] <CIA-57>	03simetrical * r39836 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWatchlist.php: 
[15:29:05] <CIA-57>	Tweak for r39314: don't add a line break before the "Go" button on the
[15:29:05] <CIA-57>	watchlist. This used up yet more vertical space. It also visually dissociated
[15:29:05] <CIA-57>	the "Go" button from the namespace selector, making it look like it maybe
[15:29:05] <CIA-57>	applied to all the buttons above too, due to lack of a fieldset. On the other
[15:29:08] <CIA-57>	hand, this way looks a little awkward too. Maybe there's a better way?
[15:29:10] <CIA-57>	Reported by User:Garion96 on [[WP:VPT]]: <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&oldid=233532922#.22go.22_button_in_watchlist>
[15:41:56] <^demon>	Simetrical: Working on some cleanup of the UI there. Should look a lot nicer :-)
[15:42:03] <ierpe>	Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated - argument passed by value; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in your INI file. However, future versions may not support this any longer. in C:\Program Files\EasyPHP...
[15:42:05] <ierpe>	...2.0b1\www\sg_wiki\extensions\SocialProfile\UserProfile\UserProfilePage.php on line 20
[15:42:17] <ierpe>	any idea what does this mean?
[15:42:43] <ierpe>	actually i know what it means now... :-/ Do you think i could allow it?
[15:45:19] <Simetrical>	ierpe, what version of the extension are you using?
[15:45:30] <Simetrical>	Have a link to your site?
[15:46:37] <^demon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Watchlist_form_markup.jpg - How's that look?
[15:48:08] <guyvdb>	hm, I can't commit :s
[15:48:24] <guyvdb>	can 't even update
[15:48:26] <guyvdb>	Error reading response length from authentication socket.
[15:48:31] <guyvdb>	is this me or the server?
[15:48:39] <Simetrical>	^demon, USE PNG FOR INTERFACE SCREENSHOTS.  >:(
[15:49:21] <CIA-57>	03guyvdb * r39837 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/HTMLDiff.php skins/common/diff.js): Removed non-XHTML-compliant attributes from HTML differ output. Removed unused javascript.
[15:49:27] <^demon>	Noted, thoughts on using the fieldset like that? Introduced new message 'watchlist-options' for the legend.
[15:49:29] <guyvdb>	strange
[15:50:19] <^demon>	guyvdb: Please bump wgStyleVersion, been doing it for you after you've been tweaking diff.js :-)
[15:50:44] <guyvdb>	^demon: sorry, didn't know it existed
[15:51:03] <^demon>	It's in DefaultSettings. $wgStyleVersion. Gets bumped up by 1 for each tweak to core css/js. :-)
[15:51:13] <guyvdb>	I see
[15:51:33] <^demon>	So the caches know when to put out a new version or to keep using the old one :-)
[15:51:35] <guyvdb>	so I shouldn't update the JS or CSS so often?
[15:52:30] <^demon>	More often means more cache invalidation, but that's what style version is for, so the caches can be smart.
[15:53:00] <^demon>	Simetrical: Does it look good to you? I think it's an improvement.
[15:53:56] <CIA-57>	03guyvdb * r39838 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Apparently there exists a 'wgStyleVersion' :-)
[15:55:26] <Simetrical>	^demon, meh, maybe.
[15:55:26] <vinodhrajan>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiToWordPress - Is it possible to Parse $text and then post it into the Blog ?
[15:59:53] <faceface>	using SVN of bleeding edge, how does one handle changes to the SQL schema (in general)
[16:00:06] <^demon>	faceface: Run update.php
[16:00:10] <faceface>	should I just run the 'update schema' script every time ...
[16:00:17] <CIA-57>	03demon * r39839 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Tweak to UI for Special:Watchlist. Put a fieldset around the options. Looks cleaner to me :)
[16:00:23] <faceface>	^demon, cool is that safe to run multiple times?
[16:00:25] <^demon>	If there were SQL changes, which isn't _too_ often :-)
[16:00:31] <faceface>	sure
[16:00:44] <^demon>	Run it every ten minutes if you want, doesn't hurt anything :-P
[16:00:48] <^demon>	Not needed though.
[16:00:54] <faceface>	but to be safe I would run that every time I co?
[16:00:58] <faceface>	or update rather
[16:01:20] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[16:01:45] <^demon>	Off to work, later.
[16:06:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Rename-Log-entry shows $2 instead of target username for old entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15269 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (chrisipk)
[16:07:16] <guyvdb>	brion: when I put a 'name' on the submit buttons as a fallback for when JS is disabled, the submit value is appended as a GET variable, which is pretty ugly because I can't control the value. should I do this?
[16:14:55] <brion>	guyvdb: that's what every other form in the universe does :) live with it
[16:15:52] <guyvdb>	brion: right now the diff url is very readable, just didn't want to break it.
[16:16:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Rename-Log-entry shows $2 instead of target username for old entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15269  (10meno25wiki)
[16:16:45] <Wanderer>	is there a way to "dump" wiki pages to a text file from the DB for Disaster recovery?
[16:19:01] <drivamgr2008Spri>	Hi all.  I wonder if I could get some advice.  In the mediawiki software, under Special:AllMessages, is that area normally open for changes if you find part of a language interface which is untranslated, or do you need admin or crat permissions to access those?
[16:19:02] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39840 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.php: Pass in the text, not the title
[16:19:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Rename-Log-entry shows $2 instead of target username for old entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15269  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:19:53] <ialex>	drivamgr2008Spri: by default, you need to be sysop
[16:20:01] <drivamgr2008Spri>	ah. Shoot.
[16:20:47] <drivamgr2008Spri>	I am in tpi.wikipedia, and I am trying to speed up the switch to a tok pisin interface, but can't edit any of the messages...and I don't think we have any crats or admins on tpi.wikipedia either...
[16:20:53] <drivamgr2008Spri>	how do I get this done?
[16:21:04] <Simetrical>	drivamgr2008Spri, talk to a steward about getting a sysop.
[16:21:11] <Simetrical>	drivamgr2008Spri, or use BetaWiki.
[16:21:15] <ialex>	drivamgr2008Spri: you can do this in betawiki
[16:21:18] <Simetrical>	That will at least help.
[16:21:24] <Simetrical>	It won't help with wiki-specific changes, though.
[16:21:34] <drivamgr2008Spri>	betawiki? never heard of it...
[16:21:47] <ialex>	http://translatewiki.net/
[16:21:55] <drivamgr2008Spri>	I will try and get hold of a Steward.  I would assume that would be meta?  Or en?
[16:22:02] <ialex>	meta
[16:22:08] <drivamgr2008Spri>	ok cheers ialex...
[16:22:14] <drivamgr2008Spri>	and thanks also Simetrical 
[16:22:19] <drivamgr2008Spri>	I will go and get this done.
[16:22:22] <drivamgr2008Spri>	:)
[16:22:33] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39841 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.php: NS should be NS_USER
[16:30:00] <jeremyclarke>	anyone konw how to turn on the js buttons at the top of the editor?
[16:30:16] <jeremyclarke>	or get the help section below the save button?
[16:32:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show if current version is sighted in user contribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14814  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:32:53] <Dynasource2>	hello
[16:33:23] <Dynasource2>	who has experience with eaccelerator
[16:33:50] <Valter>	how do I change/supress main page titles?
[16:34:06] <Dynasource2>	what do you mean
[16:34:19] <Dynasource2>	you do not want people to create title with main page in it?
[16:34:56] <Valter>	no I want create the main page like en.wikipedia.org - without the title
[16:35:06] <ialex>	Valter: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_hide_the_main_page_title.3F
[16:37:40] <Dynasource2>	some experts over here to help me install eAccelerator?
[16:43:38] <jMCg>	Dynasource2: IIRC, eAccelerator has a rather extensive documentation, which shouldn't require any hand holding.
[16:43:52] <guyvdb>	should 'id' and 'name' be equal?
[16:45:38] <jMCg>	Dynasource2: http://eaccelerator.net/wiki/#Documentation also says something about IRC support....
[16:45:58] <Dynasource2>	hi jMCg
[16:46:17] <Dynasource2>	well I am in the IRC channel of eaccelerator too
[16:46:22] <Dynasource2>	but no reply yet..
[16:46:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Version logs Object could not be convered to int - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15270 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mediawiki)
[16:48:56] <jMCg>	Dynasource2: I don't see what the problem is -- looks perfectly straight forward to me.
[16:49:58] <Valter>	Sorry to bother you. Where do I find the file Common.css? I have searched the MediaWiki tree and I haven't find such file!
[16:50:34] <Dynasource2>	i thought so too...
[16:50:43] <Dynasource2>	but of course, i have issues
[16:50:56] <Dynasource2>	This build of "eAccelerator" was compiled for PHP version 5.2.0-8+etch11. Rebuild it for your PHP version (5.2.6) or download precompiled binaries.
[16:51:19] <jMCg>	Yes -- and where's the problem?
[16:51:42] <Dynasource2>	if i do the command php in ssh
[16:51:43] <Simetrical>	Valter, it's a page on the wiki, MediaWiki:Common.css.
[16:52:26] <jMCg>	Dynasource2: /join #Debian (on oftc) - they can help you with it -- or compile it completely from source.
[16:53:07] <Dynasource2>	ok thanx
[16:53:53] <Wanderer>	hmmm
[16:54:00] <Wanderer>	does "wikipediafs" work for mediawiki?
[16:54:09] <CIA-57>	03guyvdb * r39842 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): History page with HTML diff enabled now also works when JavaScript is disabled.
[16:54:32] <vinodhrajan>	How to Access the Parser Object inside a MW Extension code ?
[16:55:32] <vinodhrajan>	I wanto parse $text to html
[16:56:13] <guyvdb>	global $wgParser?
[16:56:19] <guyvdb>	(don't trust me)
[16:57:27] <vinodhrajan>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiToWordPress - This is the Extension...
[16:57:46] <vinodhrajan>	It just posts Wiki Text into wordpress blog. I want to Post Parsed HTML Instead...
[16:57:51] <CIA-57>	03rotem * r39843 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[16:57:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Go button on Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15172  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:08:33] <vinodhrajan>	Guys, can anyone help in parsing the $ text in the above Extesnion ? I would be very grateful....:)
[17:12:01] <ialex>	vinodhrajan: $wgOut->parse( $text ); return the html or $wgOut->addWikiText( $text ); to parse it and put it directly in the output
[17:12:47] <^demon>	Oh fun.
[17:13:08] <^demon>	wfMsgExt( 'key', array( 'language' => 'code' ) ); doesn't work for non-core messages :-)
[17:13:15] <vinodhrajan>	Can I replace this instead of $text in the code of the above extension ?
[17:13:24] <vinodhrajan>	Or should I include anything ?
[17:14:16] <ialex>	^demon: and what it returns then?
[17:16:07] <^demon>	ialex: I can't pin it down. I've got en/es as a baseline for comparison. I  used language => 'es' and it still returned en, this is after I've loaded my extension messages.
[17:17:22] <ialex>	^demon: iirc, wfLoadExtensionMessages() may load only some languages (user, content and their fallbacks + en)
[17:17:56] <^demon>	Bah, that might explain it.
[17:18:03] <^demon>	I figured it loaded all languages :-P
[17:19:02] <^demon>	So if I need to force a specific language, I should establish $wgUser as having a user lang of whatever I want to force? Seems icky.
[17:20:32] <ialex>	^demon: wfLoadExtensionMessages( $ext, $langcode );
[17:20:56] <^demon>	I just found that :-)
[17:21:34] <^demon>	So call it twice, once for default messages (en), the again for whatever language I'm trying to force at the moment?
[17:21:44] <vinodhrajan>	I get this Error. If I try to call wgOut->parse($text) : Fatal error: Call to a member function parse() on a non-object in /home/noolaham/public_html/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/WikiToWordPress.php on line 57
[17:22:43] <ialex>	vinodhrajan: try to put global $wgOut; at the top of the function
[17:22:59] <^demon>	ialex: Worked :-)
[17:23:59] <ialex>	:)
[17:24:49] <vinodhrajan>	Thanks Dude :) Thank you very very much :) ) ).  But this there any way to get rid of the Word "Edit" in the output ?
[17:25:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page for recent changes in unwatched articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13063   +need-review +patch (10jlerner)
[17:27:50] <ialex>	vinodhrajan: for edit sections?
[17:28:40] <vinodhrajan>	ialex: ya 
[17:28:52] <ialex>	second
[17:30:04] <vinodhrajan>	See this: http://www.noolaham.net/wordpress/
[17:30:52] <ialex>	$old = $wgOut->parserOptions()->setEditSection( false );
[17:31:08] <ialex>	$html = $wgOut->paser( $text );
[17:31:17] <ialex>	$wgOut->parserOptions()->setEditSection( $old );
[17:31:39] <vinodhrajan>	Thank You :)
[17:31:39] <ialex>	* $wgOut->parse( $text );
[17:32:11] <guyvdb>	ialex: thanks, I needed that option too :)
[17:32:19] <vinodhrajan>	ialex: My Site would be Very Grateful to you :). 
[17:32:33] <Galgamesh>	Hello everyone, I have a question plz ..
[17:33:13] <Galgamesh>	How to " Run the FlaggedRevs.sql query " ?
[17:35:24] <Reedy>	mysql cli? phpmyadmin? other sql admin tool?
[17:35:39] <Galgamesh>	I have phpmyadmin and shell access
[17:35:49] <Galgamesh>	prefere phpmyadmin ofcourse
[17:36:24] <Reedy>	you should be able to copy/paste or run the script in phpmyadmin
[17:36:55] <Galgamesh>	And where to find the script ? in the extension file ?
[17:37:11] <Reedy>	probably
[17:55:05] <xeor>	Is there anyway to loop trough an comma separated list inside mediawiki? I have an list, eg, "a,b,c,d,e", and I want to loop trough it with the output of {{abc|a}}} {{{abc|b}}} {{{abc|c}}} and so on.. ?
[17:56:05] <Simetrical>	xeor, no.
[17:58:16] <Reedy>	isnt there a way to get it to use php in the pages?
[17:58:18] <tekmosis>	xeor, try taking a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions
[17:58:25] <Reedy>	so you can split to an array and then loop?
[17:58:49] <xeor>	I can have the list as any "character" separated list..
[17:59:01] <xeor>	What kinda array do you mean?
[17:59:18] <xeor>	tekmosis, thanks, looking at it :)
[17:59:32] <tekmosis>	Reedy, allowing users to use php on your wiki is a security risk..
[17:59:42] <Reedy>	i know
[17:59:50] <Reedy>	but theres a way to do it if he really wanted
[18:01:55] <tekmosis>	If a user has the "warn on empty summary" turned on, any way I can disable that functionalty on talk pages only?
[18:08:07] <vinodhrajan>	How to remove certain characters from a String Object in PHP ?
[18:09:16] <Simetrical>	vinodhrajan, str_replace?  strtr?  preg_replace?
[18:10:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link tracking should use latest version, not the last reviewed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15250  +comment (10ilya.schurov)
[18:11:21] <vinodhrajan>	I want to remove [[ ]] chacracters (wiki links) for $text however [[image:xx]] stuff should not be changed, how to do that ?
[18:18:16] <Simetrical>	vinodhrajan, regex..
[18:18:34] <Simetrical>	Except it won't work because "image" is localizable.
[18:19:20] <vinodhrajan>	is there any other way ? Image is localized in my wiki
[18:19:57] <CIA-57>	03ialex * r39844 10/trunk/extensions/skins/Schulenburg/Schulenburg.class.php: E_STRICT
[18:20:29] <Simetrical>	(copied from last night) brion, hmm, speaking of RELEASE-NOTES format associating commits with contributors, this kind of format is good for that.  http://lwn.net/Articles/294527/  Wine also uses that format, come to think of it.  It seems to be a git function, "git shortlog", that generates the log, but it relies on a convention we don't use (first line is always a brief summary of the commit).
[18:25:05] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39845 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe_formal.php: Localisation updates. Remove a few messages that should not be in de-formal
[18:27:14] <Helga>	Hello I have upgraded from mediawiki 1.5.8 to 1.13.0 and I want to export all my old data into my new wiki database but has there been any database changes between those versions? Is there some tool to help me upgrade?
[18:27:59] <ialex>	run maintenance/update.php
[18:28:21] <Simetrical>	!upgrade | Helga 
[18:28:21] --mwbot--	Helga: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[18:29:30] <jeremyclarke>	is there an easy way to add text below the save button?
[18:29:40] <jeremyclarke>	like for a syntax guide?
[18:29:49] <jeremyclarke>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Add_Button&action=edit
[18:29:53] <jeremyclarke>	i'd love omething like what's below here
[18:40:40] <ialex>	jeremyclarke: [[MediaWiki:Edittools]]
[18:41:26] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39846 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php flaggedrevs.css): tweak addToContribsLine()
[18:41:38] <jeremyclarke>	sweet ialex, thanks so much
[18:41:57] <jeremyclarke>	is there a plan to make some kind of admin dashboard with all the theme content options?
[18:43:03] <ialex>	jeremyclarke: "admin dashboard" ?
[18:43:15] <jeremyclarke>	like, something that lists all the pages and what they control
[18:43:24] <jeremyclarke>	as it is you have to stumble around looking for stuff
[18:43:38] <jeremyclarke>	title=MediaWiki doesn't show them
[18:43:48] <ialex>	[[Special:Allmessages]]
[18:44:21] <jeremyclarke>	aha
[18:44:23] <jeremyclarke>	cool
[18:45:43] <Gdgourou>	heelo, i 'm looking for a method to show a random page in a portal sub-page
[18:46:39] <Gdgourou>	it's impossible to use this type of code {{Special:Random}}... it only dispaly the link to Special:Rnadom... I would dispaly a random page
[18:51:16] <Gary_Kirk>	What's the best way to change what's in the footer of a wiki - it's so long since I've done any of this I seem to have largely forgotten what do do :S
[18:51:59] <Gary_Kirk>	I need some specific text and logo images at the bottom of each page, or somewhere at least. Possibly next to the  "Powered by MediaWiki" logo
[18:54:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Show if current version is sighted in user contribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14814  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:54:45] <CIA-57>	03ialex * r39847 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-core.php): $wgAjaxSearch is obsolete in 1.14 +
[18:57:53] <Gary_Kirk>	Anyone? Is it obvious or something.. I think maybe it was done in localsettings.php before.. I have no idea
[19:04:10] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Image, category pages list both draft and stable links, mixed together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14557  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:05:26] <Gary_Kirk>	Also, I am on a shared host. How do I "run scripts"?
[19:14:20] <brion>	boo-yah
[19:15:02] <Gary_Kirk>	:(
[19:15:17] <brion>	Gary_Kirk: for a lot of those you can go to Special:Allmessages
[19:15:29] <brion>	do a quick search for the text of the existing message you want to change
[19:15:37] <brion>	then you can click the message link and edit it there
[19:15:43] <brion>	you might also want this config var:
[19:15:45] <brion>	 /** Set this to some HTML to override the rights icon with an arbitrary logo */
[19:15:45] <brion>	$wgCopyrightIcon = NULL;
[19:16:10] <Gary_Kirk>	and what bit does that replace?
[19:16:49] <Gary_Kirk>	oh hang on, I just add that var and then underneath it.. do what?
[19:16:54] <guyvdb>	brion: what do you think of the suggestion to check for progress in the html differ and let it fall back on the source diff after a certain execution time?
[19:18:46] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39848 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesArz.php: Update file, remove some messages that shouldn't be here
[19:22:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please provide a SUL-Newuser-Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15271 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy)
[19:22:53] <Gary_Kirk>	meh
[19:25:00] <brion>	guyvdb: that could be great
[19:25:20] <brion>	much better than just dying due to execution time limit if we hit a bad case
[19:25:24] *brion 	is a fan of graceful failures :D
[19:26:02] <Gary_Kirk>	Ok I added that var to localesttings.php; now what?
[19:26:11] *^demon 	prefers fail hard and explosively approach ;-)
[19:26:13] <guyvdb>	brion: I'll add progress function calls everywhere, check for a delta and throw an exception?
[19:26:36] <guyvdb>	brion: but it's impossible to catch out of memory errors?
[19:27:28] <brion>	guyvdb: well you can check the memory usage and try to enforce your own "soft" limit, but if something big comes in that bumps you from below your soft limit to above the hard limit, it'll fatal out
[19:27:50] <brion>	Gary_Kirk: see what it does to your page :)
[19:28:22] <Gary_Kirk>	What is it supposed to have done then?
[19:28:29] *ialex 	whishes that E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR would be catchable with try { ... } execept($e) { ... }
[19:28:29] <brion>	^demon: you got to learn to take your time -- go slow and enjoy it :)
[19:28:32] <ialex>	*sigh*
[19:29:34] <brion>	ialex: if it's not, how do you recover from it o_O
[19:29:48] <ialex>	brion: set_error_handler()
[19:30:15] *brion 	barfs
[19:30:22] <brion>	ewwwwwwwwww
[19:30:27] <^demon>	brion: Is that another way of saying "Respect end users?" :-P
[19:30:48] <brion>	pretend the end user is someone you like
[19:30:48] <Guido___>	That would be a first
[19:30:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please add (locked) to list of locked accounts, like ( blocked) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15272 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (spacebirdy)
[19:31:33] <^demon>	hahah
[19:32:03] <Gary_Kirk>	brion: I have no idea what it has done
[19:32:17] <brion>	Gary_Kirk: ok what did you set it to?
[19:32:20] <Galgamesh>	" Fatal error: Call to undefined method OutputPage::appendSubtitle() in /home/bala6y/public_html/wiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php on line 164 " <---------- what this suppose to mean
[19:32:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please add (locked) to list of locked accounts, like (blocked) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15272  (10brion)
[19:32:51] <Gary_Kirk>	I just added $wgCopyrightIcon = NULL;
[19:33:44] <AaronSchulz>	Galgamesh: your version of MW is too old
[19:33:55] <brion>	Gary_Kirk: ok that won't do anything, since that's the default value
[19:34:12] <Gary_Kirk>	brion: I figured :) so now what?
[19:34:40] <brion>	Gary_Kirk: well i'm not a mind-reader, i don't know what you want to write there ;)
[19:34:56] <Gary_Kirk>	so I replace NULL with plain text, HTML..?
[19:35:08] <ialex>	html iirc
[19:35:15] <Galgamesh>	thx AaronSchulz but I already upgraded it lately :|
[19:36:11] <AaronSchulz>	to what?
[19:37:26] <Galgamesh>	How to know the version Aaron :$ ?
[19:37:36] <Gary_Kirk>	brion: Alright I see it, the left hand side footer now shows what I wrote
[19:37:55] <ialex>	Galgamesh: Special:Version
[19:40:35] <Galgamesh>	1.12.0
[19:40:42] <Galgamesh>	This is too old I guess ? :$
[19:42:56] <AaronSchulz>	need 1.13
[19:43:34] <Gary_Kirk>	I wanted to replace the text that says "About {{SITENAME}}", or rather, add something above/below/beside it
[19:50:11] <SPQRobin>	Gary_Kirk: edit [[MediaWiki:Aboutsite]]
[19:50:42] <Gary_Kirk>	But the link still takes me to {{SITENAME}}:About
[19:51:18] <SPQRobin>	Gary_Kirk: that's [[MediaWiki:Aboutpage]]
[19:51:37] <Gary_Kirk>	Okay, I will have a look, thanks
[19:51:46] <Sterkebak>	Hi all
[19:52:00] <SPQRobin>	Gary_Kirk: see [[Special:Allmessages]] for all MediaWiki system messages
[19:52:11] <Gary_Kirk>	Yes, I know about that, thanks
[19:52:16] <Sterkebak>	I am looking for a extension some page with @ or & in the title are not working
[19:53:20] <Gary_Kirk>	All I need is plain text there as well as the about link
[19:56:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please provide a SUL-Newuser-Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15271  +comment (10wikipedia_emails-nachfrage)
[19:59:24] <Duesentrieb>	brion-lunch: [[mw:Version lifecycle]] needs a nudge, i think 
[20:01:10] <fluff>	does all MediaWiki-messages support wikitable?
[20:02:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please add "Prevent account creation" to global block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15273 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy)
[20:03:47] <Duesentrieb>	fluff: no.
[20:04:07] <Duesentrieb>	fluff: some are treated as plain text, some as wiki-text, some as html, and some differently still
[20:04:22] <Duesentrieb>	that sucks, and no, that's not documented ::)
[20:04:25] <fluff>	Duesentrieb: do you know if anoneditwarning does? 
[20:04:27] <fluff>	hehe
[20:04:37] <Duesentrieb>	!tias
[20:04:37] --mwbot--	Try it and see.  You learn much more by experimentation than by asking without having even tried.
[20:05:04] <Duesentrieb>	the trend is towards using wikitext for more messages. but you never know.
[20:05:16] <fluff>	the thing is, on svwp we've had a wikitable there since 2006 and just today I discoverd that its broken :)
[20:05:30] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[20:05:44] <fluff>	the image get's processed but the table is crap
[20:05:45] <fluff>	well well
[20:05:53] <Duesentrieb>	it might have chqanged, but changes rarely move *aways* from wikitext
[20:06:10] <Duesentrieb>	maybe ask siebrand, he's the message hiero :=
[20:06:16] <fluff>	:)
[20:06:55] <fluff>	i can't find any wp that has a wikitable in their anoneditwarning either so i'm leaning towards thinking it's broken
[20:07:34] <siebrand>	wrapWikiMsg( '<div id="mw-anon-edit-warning">$1</div>', 'anoneditwarning' )
[20:07:45] <siebrand>	I have no clue what wrapWikiMsg does :)
[20:08:24] <siebrand>	       * This function takes a number of message/argument specifications, wraps them in
[20:08:24] <siebrand>	         * some overall structure, and then parses the result and adds it to the output.
[20:08:24] <fluff>	hm
[20:09:05] <fluff>	but when the js is wraping, there should be html already, not unprocessed wikitext (if it were supporting wikitext)
[20:09:14] <siebrand>	oh, wait:          *    $wgOut->addWikiText( '<div class="error">' . wfMsgNoTrans( 'some-error' ) . '</div>' );
[20:09:21] <siebrand>	         * Is equivalent to:
[20:09:30] <siebrand>	(that order should have been reversed)
[20:09:42] <siebrand>	fluff: should take wiki text.
[20:09:49] <fluff>	strange
[20:10:38] <Duesentrieb>	no...
[20:10:50] <Duesentrieb>	{| works only if it's at the beginning of a line
[20:11:03] <Gary_Kirk>	what do you use to hide text, not <nowiki> but.. ?
[20:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	the above prepends the div, so the start of the message doesn't start a line
[20:11:18] <Duesentrieb>	Gary_Kirk: <!-- foo --> as in html
[20:11:22] <Gary_Kirk>	thanks
[20:11:38] <Duesentrieb>	fluff: try to start the message wit ha blank line.
[20:11:49] <Duesentrieb>	fluff: can you give me a link to check the current contentß
[20:12:13] <fluff>	Duesentrieb: blank line did the trick!
[20:12:22] <Duesentrieb>	yay :o)
[20:12:29] <Duesentrieb>	this is kind of obscure... bah.
[20:12:36] <fluff>	that's very strange
[20:12:47] <Duesentrieb>	no it's not programm a programmers pov
[20:12:55] <Duesentrieb>	but it's impossible to understand from the urser pov :)
[20:13:01] <fluff>	=)
[20:13:10] <Duesentrieb>	err, "from" is missing above somewhere
[20:13:44] <Duesentrieb>	fluff: if you like, write a request to add a "\n" after the div in that line of code, then it will  simply work
[20:14:19] <fluff>	nah. leaving a note for future editors
[20:14:36] <svip>	Meh!
[20:14:43] <svip>	If only forums used WikiMarkup!
[20:14:47] <Gary_Kirk>	I'm using a shared media pool and on image pages that viewed on wiki1 (not the pool), MediaWiki:Sharedupload is displayed in italics. Any reason why?
[20:15:10] <svip>	'cause italics are fun?
[20:16:27] <fluff>	thanks a lot for the help Duesentrieb and siebrand 
[20:16:40] <siebrand>	fluff: yw. Have fun :)
[20:17:11] <Gary_Kirk>	I mean, I have edited MediaWiki:Sharedupload myself, but I didn't specify italics, so why is it doing it?
[20:17:47] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39849 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[20:17:47] <CIA-57>	fixed mv_embed doLoad bug
[20:17:47] <CIA-57>	other minnor style fixes
[20:18:12] <Gary_Kirk>	on the page itself, MediaWiki:Sharedupload, it isn't in italics
[20:19:27] <guyvdb>	siebrand: I want to fix that timeout bug you had on betawiki, how would I go about recreating the document here locally?
[20:19:37] <guyvdb>	more specifically the dropdown menu
[20:20:09] <siebrand>	guyvdb: hmm. I may not be able to completely get you to do that, but we'll try :)
[20:20:38] <siebrand>	guyvdb: install extension include("$IP/extensions/LanguageSelector/LanguageSelector.php");
[20:21:10] <siebrand>	guyvdb: add "<languageselector />" to your page.
[20:21:35] <siebrand>	guyvdb: that should give you a subset of the options in that dropdown that Betawiki has.
[20:21:48] <siebrand>	guyvdb: about 50-55% of them, I estimate.
[20:22:08] <siebrand>	guyvdb: you'd need extension cldr and some core patches to match.
[20:22:19] <siebrand>	guyvdb: I suggest you try it the easy way first.
[20:22:21] <siebrand>	:)
[20:22:40] <guyvdb>	yeah I'll try this first
[20:23:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	Gary_Kirk: see /skins/monobook/main.css, look for .sharedUploadNotice and you'll notice the font-style: italic; there ;-)
[20:23:32] <Gary_Kirk>	so it's nothing bad, it just.. is like that? Oh okay
[20:25:34] <guyvdb>	it indeed is the menu that's failing :)
[20:25:38] <Gary_Kirk>	Wow this is all harder than I remember it being
[20:25:58] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39850 10/trunk/extensions/UnicodeConverter/ (UnicodeConverter.alias.php UnicodeConverter.i18n.php): Add Arabic (ar) and Egyptian Arabic (arz)
[20:26:10] <Gary_Kirk>	Having met Tim, I am pleased I have been able to install his ParserFunctions, at least! :P
[20:26:15] <siebrand>	guyvdb: ah, great that you are able to reproduce a simple scenario. It's usually 75% of the way to a fix :)
[20:31:57] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39851 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/UnicodeConverter/UnicodeConverter.i18n.php: Add Arabic (ar) and Egyptian Arabic (arz)
[20:34:39] <guyvdb>	siebrand: does the languageselector assign the id's like 'languageselector-box-1' by counting the number of tags that were parsed?
[20:35:11] <guyvdb>	because I think the problem is that I parse 2 documents, and the dropdown menus get different id's and everything in it is changed.
[20:36:12] <guyvdb>	static $id = 0;
[20:36:12] <guyvdb>	$id += 1;
[20:36:23] <siebrand>	guyvdb: wouldn't know. Check the extension code, or ask Duesentrieb (he wrote it)
[20:36:28] <guyvdb>	yes :)
[20:36:42] <guyvdb>	if a lot of code is doing this then that might become a problem for the differ
[20:37:26] <Duesentrieb>	languageselector  is quite a nasty hack :) but generally, it inserts stuff into the skin, not into content...
[20:37:57] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, that needs to be rewritten. it's fuglyashous.
[20:38:21] <guyvdb>	there should be some kind of restParserCounters hook to prevent this from happening if it's a more general problem :s
[20:39:10] <jeremyclarke_>	should there be a toolbar with buttons above the editor by default?
[20:39:47] <Duesentrieb>	jeremyclarke_: yes, if you have JS enabled.
[20:39:57] <jeremyclarke_>	why might it be broken? I don't see mine
[20:40:02] <jeremyclarke_>	and i definitely have js enabled
[20:40:18] <Duesentrieb>	maybe it doesn't load right?
[20:40:53] <Duesentrieb>	jeremyclarke_: there's also a preference option called "show edit toolbar":
[20:40:56] <jeremyclarke_>	the #toolbar div has the js in it that does addbutton()
[20:40:57] <Duesentrieb>	make sure it's checked
[20:41:10] <jeremyclarke_>	yeah, it's checked
[20:41:11] <Duesentrieb>	hm... then check for js errors
[20:41:18] <jeremyclarke_>	i'm not seeing any in firebug
[20:41:29] <Duesentrieb>	then it's mystery server pixies...
[20:41:53] <jeremyclarke_>	yeah :s
[20:43:02] <jeremyclarke_>	okay
[20:43:06] <jeremyclarke_>	i just tried another theme and it worked
[20:43:12] <jeremyclarke_>	must be something in my theme
[20:45:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) option to protect pages from being indexed by search engines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9415  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[21:13:05] <jeremyclarke_>	anyone know why my prefs TOC would be showing double?
[21:13:09] <jeremyclarke_>	http://globalvoicesonline.org/wiki/article/Special:Preferences
[21:21:18] <dirakx>	hello..
[21:22:04] <dirakx>	i wonder if can any of you give me a hint about how to restore a BD backup of meda wiki into a new installation..
[21:22:39] <Simetrical>	"BD backup"?
[21:23:06] <dirakx>	Simetrical: hmm excuse me DB ..
[21:23:07] <CIA-57>	03ialex * r39852 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 4 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[21:23:08] <dirakx>	:)
[21:23:30] <Simetrical>	!backup
[21:23:30] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[21:23:34] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[21:23:39] <Simetrical>	Maybe that has a link to restoration?
[21:24:12] <Simetrical>	Basically, if you have an SQL dump, you can pipe it to mysql, or else import it in phpMyAdmin (if you don't have shell access).
[21:24:26] <dirakx>	Simetrical: i have search in that page but with no luck to restoration..
[21:24:34] <Simetrical>	!restorebackup
[21:24:34] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "restorebackup".
[21:24:37] <Simetrical>	!restore
[21:24:37] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "restore".
[21:24:52] <dirakx>	Simetrical: so i just have to execute the sql dump ?
[21:25:05] <Gary_Kirk>	!xinki
[21:25:05] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "xinki".
[21:25:40] <Simetrical>	dirakx, you have to send it to MySQL.
[21:26:00] <Simetrical>	You should be able to check documentation for mysqldump to get tons of examples.
[21:26:45] <dirakx>	Simetrical: ah..ok..so mysqldump must do the restoration.
[21:26:52] <Simetrical>	dirakx, no.  It just produces an SQL file.
[21:27:12] <Simetrical>	But newbie instructions for mysqldump probably include how to restore it.
[21:27:16] <Simetrical>	And should be easy enough to find.
[21:29:34] <dirakx>	Simetrical: thanks for the info..you give me a good hint!
[21:39:43] <dirakx>	Simetrical: you must do something like this..  mysql --verbose --user=XXXXXXXX --password=XXXXXXXX DB_NAME < /PATH/TO/DUMPFILE.SQL
[21:39:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Protect Functionality for importImage.php Maintenance Script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857  +comment (10axelseaa)
[21:39:44] <dirakx>	 
[21:46:23] <jeremyclarke_>	does anyone here use the mozilla theme?
[21:46:29] <jeremyclarke_>	'cavendish'?
[21:46:39] <jeremyclarke_>	I just fixed the prefs screen to be nicer, so let me know and i'll send you the css
[21:50:10] <AlexSm>	API question: when using prefix, I cannot specify a space at the end
[21:50:12] <AlexSm>	 e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allpages&apprefix=Mark_
[21:50:25] <AlexSm>	is there way around it or should I file a bug?
[21:51:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make [[google:foo bar]] use %20, not an underline after parsing; further do not capitalize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15274 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:52:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make [[google:foo bar]] use + or %20, not an underline after parsing; further do not capitalize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15274  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:52:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make [[google:foo bar]] use + or %20 for href, not an underline after parsing; further do not capitalize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15274  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[21:56:41] <MostafaDaneshvar>	!$wgImageMagickConvertCommand
[21:56:41] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "$wgimagemagickconvertcommand".
[21:56:58] <MostafaDaneshvar>	!wgImageMagickConvertCommand
[21:56:58] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wgimagemagickconvertcommand".
[21:57:13] <Duesentrieb>	!wg ImageMagickConvertCommand
[21:57:13] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgImageMagickConvertCommand
[21:57:17] <Duesentrieb>	there you go :)
[21:57:35] <MostafaDaneshvar>	;-)
[21:57:36] <Duesentrieb>	(it's a pattern, not a factoid)
[21:57:54] *MostafaDaneshvar 	have problem with it
[22:01:34] <MostafaDaneshvar>	$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; is it correct or $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/local/bin/convert";
[22:02:34] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39853 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesArz.php: A few more messages that shouldn't be here
[22:03:04] <OverlordQ>	it depends on where it's installed
[22:05:04] <MostafaDaneshvar>	it is on public_HTML/w 
[22:05:22] <Duesentrieb>	MostafaDaneshvar: no, it depends on where convert is installed
[22:05:27] <Duesentrieb>	you must give the actual path there
[22:05:51] <Duesentrieb>	it may be in /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin or somewhere else...
[22:06:57] <Duesentrieb>	if you have shell access, you can use "which convert" to get the path, assuming it's in the system path
[22:08:04] <MostafaDaneshvar>	previously I used (usr/local/bin/convert") but it is not working:-/
[22:08:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) apprefix parameter ignores spaces at the end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15275 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (AlexSm)
[22:09:58] <Duesentrieb>	MostafaDaneshvar: so find out where it is actually installed.
[22:13:23] <mike4263>	hey, I recently setup a wiki on my main site.  I then decided to move it to a subdomain so it could be https encrypted.  Now it seems to be ignoring my $wgScriptPath variable and using the old entry
[22:13:26] <mike4263>	any suggestions?
[22:14:10] <mike4263>	i.e. if I goto the new wiki main site, it will redirect to the older path and gives a 404
[22:27:04] <Skizzerz>	mike4263: do you have any rewrite rules in apache/.htaccess or do you have $wgArticlePath set?
[22:27:44] <mike4263>	no
[22:27:51] <mike4263>	neither
[22:30:21] <mike4263>	what should article path be set to?
[22:31:07] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39854 10/trunk/extensions/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Add author info
[22:33:14] <MostafaDaneshva1>	Duesentrieb,what about share Hosting. How is it possible to find 'convert'?
[22:33:33] <mike4263>	\]
[22:36:16] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39855 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/HTMLCacheUpdate.php): Add cache update hook for flaggedrevs
[22:42:58] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39856 10/trunk/extensions/EmailPage/ (EmailPage.alias.php EmailPage.i18n.php): Update ar and arz
[22:44:35] <^demon>	Hmmm, I added two new IW entries to the database and they don't work....
[22:47:06] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: If I've got an ArticleID, what's the easiest way to get the latest revision sighted by FlaggedRevs?
[22:47:25] <AaronSchulz>	what for?
[22:48:59] <^demon>	Just playing around with an extension locally, needs to always display the last sighted version of a page (and/or the highest rated version)
[23:06:35] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39857 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mv_embed json fixes
[23:19:44] <jftsang>	Hello. If I have a large number of files, and I want to put them all accessible to the wiki, can I just put them into the /images directory Or must they be registered in the database?
[23:21:48] <jftsang>	Or in other words, if I have a number of files and I have shell access to the wiki, is there a way of putting many files onto the wiki without having to go through the uploader?
[23:22:39] <siebrand>	jftsang: use maintenance/importImages.php
[23:23:33] <jftsang>	A copy of your installation's LocalSettings.php must exist and be readable in the source directory.
[23:23:45] <jftsang>	that happens whenever I try to run any script under /maintenance
[23:23:47] <saitoo>	Hi. I moved my mediawiki page to a new server. I transfered the database by exporting it with phpmyadmin and importing it with phpmybackuppro. Everything worked fine, except: All page titles that contain special characters, like Umlaute ??? are broken. For example f?o is now f??o
[23:24:26] <siebrand>	!scripts
[23:24:26] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "scripts". You might try: !adminsettings !safemode !toolserver 
[23:24:30] <saitoo>	Anyone has an idea why this is so, or how to fix it?
[23:24:38] <siebrand>	!adminsettings | jftsang
[23:24:38] --mwbot--	jftsang: AdminSettings.php is an additional configuration file for use with command line maintenance scripts. See AdminSettings.sample in your installation directory for details. <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:AdminSettings.php>
[23:25:46] <saitoo>	siebrand, was this directed to me or jftsang? :-)
[23:26:20] <jftsang>	saitoo: me
[23:26:27] <saitoo>	ok
[23:27:36] <siebrand2>	saitoo: you either exported in the wrong character set, or imported in the wrong one.
[23:27:57] <saitoo>	ok, I'll try to check that
[23:28:15] <siebrand>	!move | saitoo
[23:28:15] --mwbot--	saitoo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[23:29:17] <saitoo>	the page titles are in the table "title", right? So fixing this table should fix the problem
[23:29:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please provide a SUL-Newuser-Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15271  +comment (10dungodung)
[23:29:44] <jftsang>	siebrand2, I've copied the AdminSettings.php file and set the correct username/password, yet the same error (a missing LocalSettings.php) occurs
[23:31:28] <siebrand>	jftsang: interesting. I fear I do not know how to troubleshoot beyond that.
[23:31:51] <jftsang>	Ok then. Thanks for your help.
[23:32:06] <siebrand>	saitoo: if your export or import was wrong, not only your titles may have been messed up.
[23:32:17] <saitoo>	ok
[23:34:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create a channel on Wikimedia IRC that logs newly created/ unified accounts on all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15276 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (cometstyles)
[23:36:16] <saitoo>	siebrand, the database should be UTF-8, right?
[23:39:39] <MinuteElectron>	saitoo: Depends on which schema you chose upon setup.
[23:41:24] <saitoo>	MinuteElectron, oh, ok. And what's the default (because I'm quite sure I didn't modify the default)
[23:43:12] <MinuteElectron>	Depends on when you set up your wiki.
[23:43:19] <MinuteElectron>	And what version you set up.
[23:44:12] <saitoo>	Ok, then: How do I find out which schema I use? :-)
[23:44:40] <MinuteElectron>	If you set it up before a couple of months ago it is latin1.
[23:44:40] <MinuteElectron>	1.13 is utf-8
[23:44:40] <MinuteElectron>	1.12 is latin1
[23:44:40] <MinuteElectron>	all versions prior to 1.12 is latin1
[23:44:47] <brion>	saitoo: 1.13.0? just use the default :)
[23:44:59] <brion>	if it's upgrading it'll pick whatever's already in your database when you actually run
[23:45:03] <brion>	at least... in theory ;)
[23:51:14] <buzzo>	can I set a table prefix for my database?
[23:52:14] <Werdna>	sure
[23:53:14] <buzzo>	Werdna: I didn't find the variable to edit :(
[23:54:15] <brion>	heh
[23:54:25] <Werdna>	buzzo: $wgDBprefix
[23:54:32] <brion>	http://docs.limesurvey.org/tiki-index.php <- documentation for LimeSurvey package appears to be TikiWiki with a MonoBook theme ;)
[23:54:32] <Werdna>	in LocalSettings.php
[23:54:40] <buzzo>	thank you :)
[23:54:46] <Werdna>	or, if you're setting it up, it'll be on that form
[23:55:09] <buzzo>	no, i am modifying one installation
[23:55:17] <Werdna>	ah
[23:55:24] <Werdna>	well, you need to move the tables (obviously)
[23:55:32] <Werdna>	and then in LocalSettings.php, set $wgDBprefix = '';
[23:55:56] <buzzo>	Yes :) thanks.
[23:57:38] <buzzo>	is there a query that add a prefix for every table of the db? 
[23:58:09] <Werdna>	hmm