[00:04:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global block should recognize local block exemptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15288  15enhancement->major; normal->high (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:05:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global block should recognize local block exemptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15288  (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:36:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please change back the interwiki-name for cbk-zam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12316  +comment (10spacebirdy)
[01:04:21] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39881 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAr.php MessagesArz.php): Update ar and arz
[01:06:18] <TheDaveRos>	where are the shortcut keys defined?
[01:06:34] <TheDaveRos>	as in alt+shift+d for delete etc.
[01:21:54] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) divs with display: inline still have paragraphs added around them ( are treated as block-level by the parser) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15246  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:22:07] <Simetrical>	TheDaveRos, in the various accesskey- messages.
[01:22:30] <Simetrical>	E.g. MediaWiki:accesskey-delete.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Accesskey-delete
[01:25:35] <TheDaveRos>	is there any way to change it from alt+shift+X to something else +X?
[01:25:48] <TheDaveRos>	I only see the final part in messages
[01:28:34] <jeremyb_>	TheDaveRos: alt-shift is not defined by mediawiki (or even the server) at all
[01:28:44] <TheDaveRos>	oh
[01:31:08] <jeremyb_>	hrmmm... i see javadoc style comments.  wonder what tools use them
[01:33:39] <jeremyb_>	hrmmm
[01:33:55] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: victor wrote sets, but I've done a lot more with centralauth than he has. why?
[01:34:00] <jeremyb_>	trunk's wikibits is a lot smaller than my local out of date check out
[01:34:34] <jeremyb_>	TheDaveRos: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?annotate=39287#l321
[01:35:05] <jeremyb_>	err
[01:35:26] <jeremyb_>	TheDaveRos: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?annotate=39287#l203 rather
[01:37:10] <jeremyb_>	TheDaveRos: that's just used for the tooltip (so it's displayed to the user for users that don't know what prefix to use)  it has no bearing on actual behavior (which is browser dependant)
[01:37:16] <jeremyb_>	and OS too
[01:37:17] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39882 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.php: (bug 15288) Exempt ip-block-exempt users from global blocks
[01:37:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Global block should recognize local block exemptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15288  +comment (10Andrew)
[01:38:15] <TheDaveRos>	thanks jeremyb_, what I really need to do is figure out how to change the accesskeys in firefox I guess
[01:38:21] <TheDaveRos>	I don't like alt+shift
[01:39:00] *jeremyb_ 	puts on firefox support hat
[01:39:22] <TheDaveRos>	:)  I will read the manual first!
[01:39:31] <jeremyb_>	version?
[01:39:40] <jeremyb_>	there is no manual
[01:39:49] <TheDaveRos>	3.0.1
[01:40:03] <TheDaveRos>	there is some help documentation
[01:40:15] <TheDaveRos>	it doesnt have anything about accesskeys though :(
[01:40:18] <jeremyb_>	have you been to about -> help recently?
[01:40:42] <jeremyb_>	it just sends you to sumo with a special querystring param
[01:41:11] <TheDaveRos>	hmmph
[01:41:48] <Simetrical>	jeremyb_, wikibits was split up a bunch in 1.13.
[01:41:55] <jeremyb_>	ahh
[01:42:30] <Simetrical>	TheDaveRos, Alt-Shift- is a lot better than the old Alt-.  That screws with built-in shortcuts of all kinds.
[01:43:30] <TheDaveRos>	i agree
[01:43:32] <TheDaveRos>	but I have other keys
[01:43:43] <TheDaveRos>	many just sitting there waiting to be utilized
[01:43:52] <TheDaveRos>	apparently i can change it...
[01:43:54] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: btw, i was looking at your change of akeytt() to akeytt(null)... FYI you can just use arguments.length==0||doId instead of changing all invocations.  (although it looks like only one invocation was changed)  no comment on cross browser compat
[01:44:28] <TheDaveRos>	I have to edit "ui.key.generalAccessKey"...that might mean a rebuild...unless it is an xml somewhere...I don't know anything about firefox
[01:44:38] <jeremyb_>	no rebuild
[01:44:41] <Simetrical>	jeremyb_, I don't know so much JavaScript, TBH.  You can't just do function akeytt(el=null)?  No parameter defaults in JS?
[01:44:49] <jeremyb_>	it's in a bunch of different places
[01:44:54] <Simetrical>	TheDaveRos, maybe about:config?
[01:45:02] <Simetrical>	IIRC there are only a few options.
[01:45:40] <TheDaveRos>	about:config?
[01:45:43] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: there's a var available within the scope of any function called arguments.  it behaves much like an array (but not exactly)
[01:45:54] <jeremyb_>	yes, about:config
[01:45:55] <Simetrical>	TheDaveRos, type into URL bar.
[01:46:19] <TheDaveRos>	ooh
[01:46:20] <TheDaveRos>	pretty
[01:46:22] <jeremyb_>	it also can be modified from user.js, prefs.js, all.js, etc.
[01:46:25] <TheDaveRos>	I have never seen this before
[01:46:32] <jeremyb_>	and beware of the bikeshed
[01:47:15] <TheDaveRos>	doesn't seem to be set anywhere in here
[01:47:45] <TheDaveRos>	ui.key.generalAccessKey;-1 isn't it I thknk
[01:47:47] <TheDaveRos>	think*
[01:48:22] <catmouse__>	hi people
[01:48:39] <catmouse__>	anybody here?
[01:48:45] <jeremyb_>	you probably want contentAccess not generalAccessKey i think
[01:48:50] <jeremyb_>	have to look some more
[01:49:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	catmouse__: please ask your question; someone will help you if they can
[01:49:31] <TheDaveRos>	none of these are set to alt-shift, nor do any contain alt or shift
[01:49:34] <TheDaveRos>	so...
[01:49:49] <TheDaveRos>	I am not sure what I would change
[01:49:54] <jeremyb_>	oh, damn
[01:49:54] <catmouse__>	thanks; I want to upgrade from 1.11.2 to 1.13; what do I download, the whole distribution or just a patch?
[01:49:57] <jeremyb_>	how annoying
[01:50:13] <jeremyb_>	i had this happen with firefox before but i figured it was just firefox
[01:50:51] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39883 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: update onParserTestTables()
[01:51:07] <catmouse__>	for upgrading from 1.11.2, do I use mediawiki-1.13.0.patch.gz?
[01:51:08] <jeremyb_>	now safari's doing the same thing.  it responds and works normally except for 2 things.  1) menus never show (the menus from previous app with focus stick around) and 2) clicks don't do anything but hover works fine
[01:51:18] <Simetrical>	!upgrade | catmouse__ 
[01:51:18] --mwbot--	catmouse__: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[01:51:27] <jeremyb_>	and keyboard works fine
[01:51:51] <catmouse__>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading does not answer my question
[01:51:59] <jeremyb_>	oh, ugh
[01:53:10] <jeremyb_>	and it seems to have stopped distinguishing between cmd-shift-w and cmd-w so when i just tried to close a tab i ended up closing the whole window
[01:53:47] <catmouse__>	for upgrading from 1.11.2, do I use mediawiki-1.13.0.patch.gz?
[01:54:32] <TheDaveRos>	oh well, i just made a macro key to take care of it...I wont bother anymore :)
[01:58:13] <Simetrical>	catmouse__, where are you getting that file?
[01:58:33] <Simetrical>	I don't see it on the official download page.
[01:59:55] <catmouse__>	Simetrical, I get that file from http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.13/
[02:00:30] <Simetrical>	catmouse__, that's a patch relative to 13.0rc2.
[02:00:40] <Simetrical>	catmouse__, you want the full thing, as the page I linked to above says.
[02:00:55] <Simetrical>	--- skins/common/wikibits.js	(.../REL1_13_0RC2/phase3)	(revision 39341)
[02:00:55] <Simetrical>	+++ skins/common/wikibits.js	(.../REL1_13_0/phase3)	(revision 39341)
[02:02:05] <catmouse__>	thanks Simetrical; if I get the whole distribution, that will overwrite my LocalSettings.php and AdminSettings.php, right?
[02:02:20] <Simetrical>	catmouse__, no, because no files by those names are included in the default distribution.
[02:03:12] <^demon>	Always safe to back it up outside of that directory tho, just in case something doesn't go according to plan :-)
[02:03:33] <catmouse__>	thanks
[02:15:44] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: do you follow?  more info at http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference/Functions/Arguments  (btw, oooh, it looks like they finally finished the migration to deki)
[02:15:58] <Simetrical>	jeremyb_, is there any actual problem with the way I did it?
[02:18:27] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: i don't think current code actually does what the documentation for the function says but I have to double check.  (how serious that is is not my call) anyway it was mostly just a note in case you needed to do something similar in the future
[02:21:30] <Simetrical>	jeremyb_, how does it differ from what the docs say?
[02:22:02] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: i'd closed that tab... rereading the code
[02:32:14] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: well, i'm pretty sure it's not broken the way I was thinking but otherwise i'm not sure (it touches mediawiki specific structures i'm not familiar with)
[02:32:15] <jeremyb_>	I think i was mostly thrown by akeytt( null ) which looks weird to me.  (I think akeytt() does the same thing already but of course testing arguments.length would make it clear that you're intending to have a variable length argument list)
[02:35:19] <^demon>	Is it _really_ sad that I was trying to figure out when something was added, and come to find out (after combing svn), that it was me? I honestly don't remember adding this....but I guess I did.
[02:35:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add $wgCookiePrefix property - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10958  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:36:22] *jeremyb_ 	has had similar experiences :)
[02:36:50] <^demon>	I was looking at bugs, and was like "Doesn't it do this?" When I figured out that it did, I tried to find "well, since when?" Oh wait, I did that? Hmm.
[02:39:00] <^demon>	Less 2am development might cure that problem, but it keeps life interesting :-P
[02:45:20] <jeremyb_>	incidentally there is actually an unrelated bad practice in that function
[02:45:32] <jeremyb_>	for ... in should not be used to iterate over arrays
[02:45:49] <jeremyb_>	see end of
[02:45:50] <jeremyb_>	http://developer.mozilla.org/En/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference/Statements/For...in#Description
[02:50:31] <Simetrical>	jeremyb_, that's a shame.  I quite like that construct.
[02:50:49] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: as do i :-/
[02:51:13] <Simetrical>	Whee, that's a fairly psychotic implementation of for...in.
[02:51:30] <jeremyb_>	heh
[02:51:39] <jeremyb_>	"fairly psychotic"
[02:51:40] <Simetrical>	Doesn't Gecko 1.9 support the use of Python instead of JavaScript for scripts?  :)
[02:51:52] <jeremyb_>	1.8 i think
[02:51:56] <Simetrical>	Well, it's not *completely* psychotic, no.  Only fairly.  ;)
[02:52:15] <Simetrical>	Hmm, how does that work?  <script type="application/python">?
[02:52:51] <jeremyb_>	but afaik no release has been shipped with such ability (you'd have to compile yourself) and there's no security model so it wouldn't be available to content anyway
[02:53:11] <Simetrical>	:(
[02:53:17] <jeremyb_>	idk how it's invoked
[02:53:39] <Simetrical>	Why can't we break the JS monoculture for web scripts already?
[02:53:45] <Simetrical>	JS is a sucky language.
[02:54:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configuration option to disable persistent cookies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14887  (10innocentkiller)
[02:56:22] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/PyDOM
[02:58:36] <Simetrical>	Is anyone working on adding security features so it can be loaded by HTTP?
[03:00:31] <jeremyb_>	not afaik.  it's been implemented for a while
[03:00:39] <jeremyb_>	let me dig up the generic bug on other langs
[03:01:40] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255942
[03:02:46] <Simetrical>	Thanks!
[03:02:48] *Simetrical 	votes for it
[03:03:16] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: did you see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41274 :-)
[03:03:23] <CIA-57>	03stipe * r39884 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js: fixed minor syntax error that was preventing Opera from loading mv_embed
[03:03:33] <Simetrical>	O_O
[03:03:51] <jeremyb_>	and remotely related but cool looking: http://code.google.com/p/python-spidermonkey/
[03:06:15] <CIA-57>	03demon * r39885 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WebResponse.php: Clarified visibility + docs
[03:06:56] <Simetrical>	jeremyb_, hmm, that bug doesn't cover allowing them to be used in web pages.
[03:07:16] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: oh, i'll go dig again
[03:08:55] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030  +comment (10Andrew)
[03:09:27] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED)  $wgGroupsAddToSelf and $wgGroupsRemoveFromSelf missing in Special: Listgrouprights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15061  +comment (10Andrew)
[03:30:30] <gzf445>	all
[03:32:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ampersand ("&") in comment causes Imagemap to fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15289 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (paul)
[03:36:18] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39886 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/gis/README: Update links
[03:49:45] <jimbojw>	quick question - is there a built-in way to create a SpecialPage whitelist for visitors in different groups?  That is, I'm creating a site using MW, and I want to lock down all SpecialPages to all non-sysops except Login/Logout and custom special pages
[03:50:10] <jimbojw>	i have no problem implementing an ArticleFromTitle hook to do this, but figured I'd post the question out there in case this particular wheel has already been invented
[03:50:23] <jimbojw>	thanks in advance for any help
[03:52:41] <brion>	jimbojw: the general page whitelist may work for special pages, though i'm not convinced that's a good idea :)
[03:53:38] <jimbojw>	thanks brion - I'll check that out - I'm also tempted to just alter the restriction on existing pages, but I'm afraid that would have to instantiate them, killing the whole "on demand" class loading
[04:01:22] <jimbojw>	brion: yeah, i think $wgWhitelistRead won't do what I need - unfortunately I need to target sysops, users and anons differently - anons must only see Login/Logout, users need that plus custom specials, and sysops should see everything.  If I can figure out a good general way to specify the rules in a $wgGroupPermissions-esque way, I'll make it a general extension (googling around it looks...
[04:01:24] <jimbojw>	...like others have needed something similar)
[04:02:10] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: so there's this thread: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-June/324919.html and http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.embedding/msg/cef364b68698c256 .  also https://wiki.mozilla.org/Breaking_the_grip_JS_has_on_the_DOM
[04:02:10] <jeremyb_>	Simetrical: but I'd thought there was a bug or more in-depth discussion or something.  maybe my search-fu's weak
[04:03:00] <brion>	mm
[04:06:42] <^demon>	brion: I was looking at the KTHMLFixes being loaded on stylesheets where it doesn't exist bug (to which I had an awful answer, bah), and I think I might have a better solution. What about a method in SkinTemplate that returns null (unless a subclass implements it) that returns any skin-specific CSS/JS for that skin?
[04:06:48] <^demon>	*loaded on skins
[04:10:02] <MZMcBride>	What's the difference between HTML diffs and the old diffs?
[04:10:48] <^demon>	MZMcBride: Old diffs just diff the wikitext. The new one diffs the HTML output. Shows a better idea of *what* was changed, as opposed to the wikicode that was changed.
[04:11:04] <MZMcBride>	Ahhh.
[04:11:17] <MZMcBride>	Does it deal with whitespace changes any differently?
[04:11:43] *^demon 	shrugs
[04:11:44] <^demon>	Try it?
[04:11:51] <^demon>	$wgEnableHtmlDiff = true in localsettings.
[04:12:43] <MZMcBride>	I think it's enabled on test.wiki...
[04:13:12] <^demon>	Oh yeah :-)
[04:13:17] <Werdna>	it is.
[04:13:39] <MZMcBride>	Oh, new buttons.
[04:14:36] <MZMcBride>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMZMcBride&htmldiff=1&diff=62689&oldid=62688 Hmmm.
[04:14:38] <MZMcBride>	Interesting.
[04:15:00] <MZMcBride>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MZMcBride&diff=62688&oldid=62687&htmldiff=0 <-- Still drives me nuts. ;-)
[04:21:56] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39887 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Show # of votes
[04:23:33] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39888 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: remove debug code from last commit
[05:52:15] <CIA-57>	03dantman * r39889 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (8 files in 6 dirs): 
[05:52:15] <CIA-57>	* Use $this->setHeaders() inside of execute functions so that titles are correctly set (And replace the setpagetitle inside of Ask with it)
[05:52:15] <CIA-57>	* Use internal $wgOut->redirect() instead of manually sending location headers and disabling output ;) yes, mediawiki handles redirects.
[05:52:16] <CIA-57>	* Move page group setting out of the special page classes and into the proper array.
[05:57:32] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39890 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/RatingHistory.i18n.php: users -> readers
[06:44:07] <CIA-57>	03tstarling * r39891 10/trunk/extensions/TrustedXFF/ (. TrustedXFF.php generate.php): Extension for efficient handling of a large list of trusted proxy addresses.
[06:45:19] <CIA-57>	03tstarling * r39892 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProxyTools.php: Removed the AOL hack. Use the TrustedXFF extension instead.
[06:49:09] <Wyvernoid>	When I am trying to upgrade to 1.13, with all files updated and attempting to run update.php, the error shows up:
[06:49:11] <Wyvernoid>	Fatal error: Cannot redeclare wfwaitforslaves() (previously declared in /var/www/dota-allstars/w/maintenance/commandLine.inc:244) in /var/www/dota-allstars/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 2750
[06:49:14] <Wyvernoid>	What do I do?
[07:15:17] <CIA-57>	03tstarling * r39893 10/trunk/extensions/TrustedXFF/generate.php: bugzzz
[07:47:53] <CIA-57>	03nad * r39894 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleSecurity/SimpleSecurity.php: Bug fixes, remove LoadBalancer dependence, add $wgPageRestrictions
[08:33:13] <CIA-57>	03nad * r39895 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleSecurity/SimpleSecurity.php: More bugs fixed
[08:34:49] <_wooz>	lo
[08:40:49] <CIA-57>	03nad * r39896 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleSecurity/SimpleSecurity.php: Allow rules in protection tab to override those from $wgPageRestrictions
[09:09:59] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39897 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Update meta message groups for wikihow, wikitravel, wikia, and wikimedia
[09:11:16] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39898 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Fix typo
[09:12:03] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39899 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Fix typo
[09:12:22] <Werdna>	hello guillom 
[09:13:18] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: it has some messages that could really benefit from documentation
[09:13:42] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: Such as?
[09:14:31] <guillom>	hi Werdna 
[09:14:55] <Wyvernoid>	Is it possible to move images in 1.13?
[09:15:26] <Wyvernoid>	I heard it was possible, but it doesn't seem so...
[09:15:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) divs with display: inline still have paragraphs added around them ( are treated as block-level by the parser) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15246  (10dan)
[09:15:35] <Werdna>	Wyvernoid: you need to enable it.
[09:16:01] <Wyvernoid>	Hmm... With which setting?
[09:17:21] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: like Centralauth-editgroup-fieldset
[09:17:36] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: where do I explain it?
[09:17:47] <Wyvernoid>	Ohh I found it, nevermind
[09:18:25] <Wyvernoid>	"Experemintal, not sure if it always works."
[09:18:37] <Wyvernoid>	That means... it can fail badly?
[09:18:53] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: in qqq language for example
[09:18:55] <Werdna>	it means that it is not as well-tested as other features.
[09:19:14] <Wyvernoid>	Okay...
[09:22:17] <Wyvernoid>	It did fail =/ "Could not find file "$1"."
[09:27:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgCapitalLinks should be a per-namespace setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13750  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[09:33:13] <e7th04sh>	If somebody installed wiki with db prefix, how can i obtain it?
[09:33:30] <Werdna>	show tables;
[09:33:34] <e7th04sh>	nono
[09:33:40] <e7th04sh>	i am writing extension
[09:33:46] <Werdna>	$wgDBprefix
[09:33:48] <e7th04sh>	thanks
[09:34:10] <e7th04sh>	or maybe there is class or function set to use when working with db?
[09:34:20] <Werdna>	yes, there is.
[09:34:32] <Werdna>	see the Database class
[09:34:44] <Werdna>	you can get the slave (for reading) with wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE )
[09:34:54] <Werdna>	and you can get the master (for writing) with wfGetDB( DB_MASTER )
[09:35:06] <Werdna>	typically we store those in $dbr for reader, and $dbw for writer.
[09:35:36] <Werdna>	then to select, you use $dbw->select( tables, fields, array( 'field1' => 'value1' ) /* conds */, __METHOD__ );
[09:44:52] <e7th04sh>	Anyways, if my extension uses db, i need to set all up first. Should i really do it everytime any user clicks any link on the site, when it needs to be done only once?
[09:47:10] <Werdna>	e7th04sh: I'm not sure what you mean.
[09:47:38] <e7th04sh>	I mean, it is suggested that extension includes setup, and that user needs only to copy extension, not run any setup scripts.
[09:48:34] <e7th04sh>	But this means i am increasing the size of script ran every time somebody clicks a link on site.
[09:48:52] <e7th04sh>	I'd prefer writing a setup script.
[09:49:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on he.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14648  +comment (10novartza)
[09:51:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on he.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14648  (10novartza)
[10:02:40] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: and Centralauth-rightslog-entry-setchange
[10:11:39] <Nikerabbit>	Globalblocking-list-anononly contains slang
[10:24:52] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39900 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Fix slang, per Nikerabbit
[10:29:05] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39901 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Remove "click here" from 'globalblocking-whitelist-nochange' and 'globalblocking-whitelist-intro'
[10:40:21] <CIA-57>	03nad * r39902 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleSecurity/SimpleSecurity.php: $wgSecurityAllowUnreadableLinks should be false by default because still some problems with it
[10:40:40] <Nikerabbit>	why doesn't simple security use normal i18n?
[10:41:06] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: ask Nad...
[10:41:18] <Nikerabbit>	he irc?
[10:41:26] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: not that I know.
[10:41:40] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[10:41:56] <Nikerabbit>	I hate emails
[10:42:09] <Nikerabbit>	I'm already paid to write them
[10:42:57] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: [[mediawikiwiki:User_talk:Nad]]?
[10:43:05] <Sundance_Chess>	hi
[10:45:23] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: anyway. He needs i18n training. EmailPage was removed from Translate because there were issues with is (conflicting message ID with core)
[10:59:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Some messages in WhiteList need plural support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15290 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: WhiteList; (siebrand)
[11:00:11] *Nikerabbit 	advertises free i18n training
[11:00:20] *^demon|away 	signs up
[11:01:06] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: good, there isn't enough of trainers at all
[11:02:11] <^demon>	No no, I was signing up to take it, not to teach :-)
[11:02:55] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: don't you know it already? :D
[11:03:58] <^demon>	I suppose :-P
[11:04:37] <^demon>	siebrand: Whitelistrequestmsg is weird. Already passes 2 params, can't figure out why... Also, whitelistnummatches already has a count passed in $1, so couldn't you use that twice?
[11:04:51] <^demon>	nvm on two, I can't read.
[11:05:21] <^demon>	Still though, Whitelistrequestmsg is odd.
[11:05:55] <Nikerabbit>	should finish http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Nike/iged :<
[11:07:59] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Fwiw, that probably could act as a replacement for the "example" 3-page-style of extensions in svn.
[11:09:15] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: dunno, but I need help!
[11:09:56] <^demon>	Debby Developer would be happy to :-p
[11:14:21] <_mary_kate_>	should per-session data be stored with php sessions or do we have some fancy wrapper for it?
[11:27:40] <^demon>	Well that's not fun...
[11:28:09] <Dantman>	_mary_kate_: MediaWiki uses almost no session data, so we really don't have a wrapper for it
[11:28:28] <Dantman>	What do you need the session for?
[11:28:55] <_mary_kate_>	you know how some webapps have a 'history' or 'recently visited' thing where it pops up a window with a recently visited pages?  i want that
[11:29:05] <Dantman>	oh...
[11:29:17] <Dantman>	however, that may end up a user only feature...
[11:29:36] <Dantman>	sessions may not actually be what you want
[11:29:54] <Dantman>	MW only starts a session when you login, or submit an edit form
[11:30:33] <Dantman>	either way, your best bet is probably a session expiring cookie
[11:30:55] <_mary_kate_>	but there's no particular reason we can't start a session for logged out users (if it's optional, obviously).  i don't want to store a long list of pages (even ids) in a cookie
[11:31:41] <_mary_kate_>	perhaps it could just list the most recent 20.  if it used ids instead of titles, it would probably fit
[11:32:25] <Dantman>	^_^ Ya
[11:32:25] <Splarka>	could store it on the site but outside of mediawiki, included via <script>
[11:32:43] <Splarka>	preserve cache integrity, use unlimited length of the list
[11:32:47] <Dantman>	;) Sane people don't want a 100+ long list of 'reccently viewed' pages
[11:33:06] <_mary_kate_>	well, i'm not worried about cache.  this is for the toolserver wiki, we don't do squid caching
[11:33:27] <Splarka>	well, still, would work for all without sessions
[11:33:30] <Splarka>	(just need JS)
[11:33:48] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: I can imagine a use for it, when reading Wikipedia I often end up looking at enormous number of pages due to the ease of getting to more pages.
[11:33:50] <Splarka>	give the generated script no caching (no maxage or smaxage, and must reverify etc)
[11:34:03] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: 20 pages would be nothing in such a case.
[11:34:18] <Splarka>	give the users a tiny control panel...
[11:34:36] <Splarka>	20 the default, let them increase to 2000, with caveat "page load times may be slower with larger history"
[11:34:42] <_mary_kate_>	Splarka: but it needs to work automatically.  having to click something to enable it would be silly.  so it needs a cookie or a request on every anon page view
[11:35:07] <_mary_kate_>	unless you want to do it entirely client side... then i suppose it would only need a static script
[11:35:17] <_mary_kate_>	(since JS can set cookies, right?)
[11:35:22] <MinuteElectron>	It can.
[11:35:26] <Splarka>	well, yes, but with 20 it would be pretty small (the JS would just be a list, have a static parser/generator for the list that caches)
[11:36:06] <_mary_kate_>	Splarka: you mean store the IDs with js, then use a cachable page that turns the list of ids into html?
[11:36:38] <Splarka>	<script src="http://toolserver.whatever/pagehistory.js?pagename=This_Page_Name"><!-- not cached --></script> would return pagehistory{'1':'Village Dump','2':'your mom'}
[11:36:52] <Splarka>	and also append the current page to that user's personal list
[11:37:16] <Splarka>	a second <script> would be a cachable definition for function pagehistory()
[11:37:22] <_mary_kate_>	right but say you visit 20 Russian pages with 40 character titles.. that's already 2+KB of state if you store titles
[11:37:33] <Splarka>	well, yah, could use IDs instead
[11:38:02] <Splarka>	pagehistory([12123,152,145,345,345,2345,2,4,523]) blah blah, etc
[11:38:47] <Splarka>	but, even if you don't need it, cache integrity would be pretty smooth, not even any cookies needed except to the external site (and the <script> is static for each page)
[11:39:13] <Splarka>	it would even work in browsers that don't execute the JS, well, the ones that load it anyways
[11:39:37] <Splarka>	you could set up an interface on the external logger to show them their recent history (just wouldn't be generated inline with JS on pageviews)
[11:39:57] <Splarka>	(mozilla loads and caches JS scripts even if JS is disabled)
[11:40:15] <Splarka>	</2cents>
[11:41:03] <golak>	i have got an application, i just need a textile type plugin that converts wiki tags into html. I tried mediawiki, but it a complete package in itself.
[11:41:15] <golak>	i use php
[11:41:43] <Splarka>	well, the problem is, wikicode is very dependant on the existence of other pages, as well as extensions and settings
[11:42:04] <golak>	can anybody suggest  me something
[11:42:08] <Splarka>	<foo>bar</foo> might render as &lt;foo&gt;bar&lt;/foo&gt; or as a map of europe
[11:42:21] <Splarka>	[[Zing]] might be a link to the page or an edit link
[11:42:55] <Splarka>	[[Image:Bar.gif]] might be a redlink or embedded or upload link, and anything in double braces {{}} is potentially highly dynamic
[11:43:00] <Splarka>	possibly even time-sensitive
[11:43:17] <Splarka>	MediaWiki isn't really a predictable parser, you need access to the database and extensions
[11:43:54] <Splarka>	(other than wikitables and very basic markup: bold/italic/tables/lists/definitions)
[11:44:42] <golak>	Splarka: Are u answering my question??
[11:44:47] <Splarka>	sorta
[11:44:49] <golak>	Splarka: can't there be any api that refers to all these tables and returns me html format
[11:44:58] <Splarka>	there is
[11:45:13] <Splarka>	api.php?action=parse&text=[[Hello]]
[11:45:15] <golak>	oh wow
[11:45:31] <Splarka>	but you have to have access to a somewhat newer version of mediawiki
[11:45:40] <Splarka>	and you basically need  the full install
[11:45:58] <Splarka>	(or enough of it that cutting it down probably won't help much)
[11:46:07] <golak>	i have got the latest
[11:46:10] <golak>	and hurray it works
[11:46:33] <Splarka>	yay
[11:46:48] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39903 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.php: Fix glaring syntax error.
[11:47:23] <golak>	will it use memcache?
[11:47:42] <Splarka>	the API pretty much bypasses cache
[11:47:49] <Splarka>	which is why the diff feature had to be disabled
[11:48:08] <golak>	that means i have to diff it myself
[11:48:10] <Splarka>	you can use &maxage and &smaxage parameters to use browser and server cache
[11:48:24] <Splarka>	but.. I don't know if it even bothers with memcache
[11:48:46] <golak>	it suits all my requirement
[11:49:00] <golak>	Splarka: thanks a ton for your Help :)
[11:49:03] <Splarka>	rar
[11:58:17] <golak>	Splarka: one more query. Can i use the api in production??
[11:58:38] <Splarka>	howdya mean?
[11:58:45] <VasilievVV>	golak: you should
[11:58:55] <VasilievVV>	But subscribe to mediawiki-api-announce then
[11:59:26] <golak>	ok thanks
[12:00:26] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39904 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (62 files): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-24 13:51 CEST)
[12:04:22] <CIA-57>	03werdna * r39905 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
[12:04:22] <CIA-57>	Big fixup of LiquidThreads:
[12:04:22] <CIA-57>	* Make classes use the autoloader, instead of loading it all per-pageview.
[12:04:22] <CIA-57>	* Move global methods into LqtFunctions.php, which is require()d.
[12:04:22] <CIA-57>	* Load special pages through $wgSpecialPages, instead of some weird class-inside-global-function method.
[12:04:25] <CIA-57>	* Fix up some whitespace (run through a fix-whitespace perl script).
[12:04:27] <CIA-57>	* Split off setup to LiquidThreads.php, which is more in line with our coding practices
[12:05:31] <Werdna>	siebrand: you owe me a cookie.
[12:05:51] *siebrand 	gives Werdna a cookie.
[12:05:56] <Werdna>	yay!
[12:05:59] *siebrand 	asks Werdna what for.
[12:06:14] <siebrand>	Werdna: I just AGF-ed. Asking questions later :)
[12:06:16] <Werdna>	siebrand: see previous commit. Can you look over it, being the extensions guru?
[12:06:35] <siebrand>	Werdna: nah. I'm just a n00b speaking his mind.
[12:06:41] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39906 10/trunk/extensions/ (73 files in 64 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-08-24 13:51 CEST)
[12:07:07] <Werdna>	siebrand: you seem to take pretty good care of extensions for us :)
[12:07:21] <siebrand>	Werdna: but work on Lqt is highly appreciated. MinuteElectron did some work on it too about a week ago.
[12:07:38] <siebrand>	Werdna: I though I read that the WMF was hiring the original dev to do some mor ework on it.
[12:08:17] <Werdna>	yeah
[12:08:21] <Werdna>	but it hasn't been touched very much
[12:08:32] <Werdna>	The big barrier for editing it is the weird-ass design of it.
[12:08:38] <siebrand>	Werdna: we considered using it on Betawiki, but got a negative advice from MinuteElectron yesterday.
[12:08:39] <Werdna>	Hopefully I've fixed that with that last commit.
[12:09:09] <siebrand>	Werdna: I'm giving WhiteList a go atm. Also some weird stuff in there.
[12:09:20] <Werdna>	WhiteList?
[12:09:39] <siebrand>	Werdna: yeah, still have to read the manual page on mediawikiwiki: :
[12:09:58] <Werdna>	what's WHiteList?
[12:10:00] <siebrand>	Werdna: unfortunately the committer does not have a bugzilla account :(
[12:10:11] <Werdna>	siebrand: what is WhiteList?
[12:10:16] <siebrand>	Werdna: Extension:WhiteList allows per-user whitelist for selected users, while the other users retain full access to all pages. This allows
[12:10:27] <siebrand>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhiteList
[12:10:34] <^demon>	Is there a maintenance script that removes unused files? I found the one for archived files, but I can't find the one for unused files.
[12:11:08] <siebrand>	^demon: there isn't. Only a special page (which may provide incorrect data, as [[Media:]] links are not stored, afaik)
[12:12:01] <^demon>	siebrand: Gotcha. I was thinking of maybe doing a maintenance script that removes all thumbs that aren't currently in use.
[12:12:32] <MinuteElectron>	Werdna: The main issue is that - in my opinion - the extension still isn't finished per se, there are numerous bugs which need fixing before being used.
[12:14:20] <siebrand>	I have seen some sites where there were over 4000 talk edits using Lqt. Can't be all bad.
[12:14:31] <siebrand>	correction: one (1) site.
[12:20:40] <^demon>	This is my first maintenance script. Should all db connections be made to master, even if read-only? Just thought since it was maintenance, it might need to use the latest data :-)
[12:20:55] <Werdna>	depends, what's it doing?
[12:21:40] <^demon>	Looking at image links to find out which files are currently in use.
[12:21:44] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: if the script doesn't do any writing, i don't see a reason to use the master db.
[12:22:00] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: if it does do writing, it may need to use the master even for reading, to assure consistency
[12:23:38] <^demon>	True, I guess it doesn't _really_ matter. Even if for some reason the script deleted a thumb that _was_ in use, the software would re-render it, correct?
[12:24:14] <treboR>	Hi
[12:24:14] <treboR>	Error generating thumbnail
[12:24:14] <treboR>	Fehler beim Erstellen des Vorschaubildes: Image was not scaled, is the requested width bigger than the source? 
[12:24:14] <treboR>	what may I do?? The width in the params is the original size from the image
[12:26:20] <siebrand>	Werdna: without testing r39905: looks very sane. Clearer structure which indeed makes it more accessible to developers.
[12:26:44] <alnokta>	whats the code to check if article exists using api?
[12:27:38] <siebrand>	alnokta: no such call documented. I assume you get the page and check the response.
[12:28:24] <Werdna>	siebrand: I tested it to the extent that "It gives me a 'no table called "thread"' error"
[12:29:08] <siebrand>	Werdna: is that a new issue, or did it do that before? ;)
[12:29:25] <Werdna>	no, it did that before cause I haven't added the tables to my database
[12:29:27] <siebrand>	Werdna: ah, ok, you didn't set it up on your testwiki.
[12:29:32] <Splarka>	^demon: depends... wikimedia uses the 404 symlink/redir to thumb.php to generate missing thumbs, but not all do
[12:29:32] <Werdna>	yeah
[12:29:57] <siebrand>	Werdna: hmm, then I'd say that it was quite a big change without a simple test :)
[12:30:31] <Werdna>	siebrand: well, I didn't change any actual code.
[12:30:37] <Splarka>	alnokta: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Foo|Flibblez
[12:30:38] <siebrand>	afk. Gotta got get my kid back from grandma...
[12:30:38] <Werdna>	the only thing I changed was where the code was placed
[12:30:43] <Splarka>	note missing=""
[12:30:51] <Werdna>	and therefore the fact that it loaded enough to give me a DB error is sufficient.
[12:31:07] <siebrand>	Werdna: let's hope so :)
[12:32:06] <treboR>	My Server disabled exec() etc and I need to run the thumb.php as PHP in CGI. Therfore I have to change the fileextension to thumb.phpx
[12:32:07] <treboR>	If I do so and then set the $wgThumbnailScriptPath = "{$wgScriptPath}/thumb.phpx";
[12:32:07] <treboR>	then the images at e.g. /index.php/Image:Test.jpg are not shown.
[12:32:07] <treboR>	What can I do?
[12:37:25] <alnokta>	Splarka, http://pastebin.com/d2f8c9575 doesn't work, it cannot find missing="" in output
[12:38:41] <Splarka>	not a problem with the API ^_^
[12:39:06] *Splarka 	doesn't even know what language that is
[12:39:41] <alnokta>	php Splarka 
[12:39:57] <Splarka>	all g(r)eek to me
[12:40:23] <Splarka>	you might try another format
[12:49:23] <alnokta>	Splarka, tried &format=txt but not working, i think strstr() cannot read it or something
[12:51:09] <Werdna>	hey domas
[12:56:59] <domas>	hi!
[13:00:46] <e7th04sh>	in what variable is database name held?
[13:03:36] <e7th04sh>	$wgDBname
[13:15:00] <^demon>	Bah this is hard. How to figure out how many thumbs exist in all subfolders of /images/thumb.
[13:18:48] <e7th04sh>	sh script
[13:19:35] <^demon>	Found a nice recursive list-dir function for php :-), does 100% what I need.
[13:20:10] <Dantman>	oooh... gimme
[13:20:24] <Dantman>	^_^ I used to have to write those for myself all the time
[13:20:36] <Dantman>	glob2 was the most common name, heh
[13:21:52] <^demon>	http://www.pgregg.com/projects/php/code/recursive_readdir.phps - linked from the PHP sight. Can't find a specific license, so I can't use it in MW (I might e-mail the guy, it does 110% of what I need to do)
[13:21:58] <^demon>	*site
[13:22:32] <^demon>	http://www.pgregg.com/projects/php/preg_find/preg_find.phps - seems to be OSS, which is cool :-)
[13:22:40] <e7th04sh>	if i create table where one of field is refernce to user, should i use username, or is there some id?
[13:23:08] <MinuteElectron>	user_id
[13:23:23] <e7th04sh>	How do i get user_id knowing user name?
[13:24:17] <MinuteElectron>	$user = User::newFromUsername( 'username' ); $user->getId(): (or something like that, with correct function names)
[13:24:45] <Subfader>	does somebody know a good way to present categorized images? I don't like the current way by joining them with the articles under "Media" on a category page.
[13:25:06] <^demon>	If _all_ you need is the name (not a full user object), you can use User::idFromName( $name )
[13:26:13] <^demon>	Dantman: Cool, yes?
[13:26:15] <Subfader>	i put my images in the same category as the articles, but it would more helpful to only the max 4 and then link to an extra page with a gallery of all images from that category
[13:27:25] <^demon>	e7th04sh: What are you needing the Id for? Just to use the ID, or do you need the whole user object?
[13:28:42] <e7th04sh>	Only the id - i am writing extension to add user/group/lock
[13:29:10] <e7th04sh>	i mean, that you can lock article, and certian groups can either write or read, or might be entirely forbidden to access this article
[13:30:04] <alnokta>	Splarka, it works now (was a problem in curl config).. do you have a stub for javascript that adds a tab to articles and that tab calls fix.php?article=articlename 
[13:30:52] <e7th04sh>	I need to know the id of current user, as well as i need to be able to get id from name and vice versa
[13:32:01] <Splarka>	if(wgNamespaceNumber == 0) addOnloadHook(function() { addPortletLink('p-cactions',wgScriptPath + '/fix.php?article=' + encodeURIComponent(wgPageName),'fix') });
[13:32:05] <Splarka>	or something
[13:35:48] <alnokta>	Splarka, thx will try :)
[13:36:28] <^demon>	e7th04sh: If all you need is the id, then use User::idFromName(). 
[13:36:35] <^demon>	Oddly, there's no User::nameFromId().
[13:36:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	^demon, {{sofixit}} ;-)
[13:39:37] <Simetrical>	Or better yet, deprecate such redundant static methods in favor of constructing a User object.
[13:40:04] <^demon>	Simetrical: If he doesn't need a full user object, why?
[13:40:33] <Simetrical>	Because methods like that are redundant and clutter up the interface.
[13:41:25] <MinuteElectron>	Methods like that also break the object model.
[13:42:57] <Simetrical>	Well, so?
[13:43:26] <Simetrical>	I don't think that's a problem per se.  Models don't need to be followed slavishly.
[13:43:32] <Simetrical>	Only if they confer a specific practical benefit.
[13:44:28] <^demon>	In many cases, static methods serve a benefit, so you're not throwing new class() and kicking off constructors every time you want to use the object.
[13:46:21] <Simetrical>	Constructors should be fairly close to no-ops for straightforward stuff like construction from ID.
[13:46:46] <Simetrical>	Usually this isn't going to be an efficiency problem.
[13:47:44] <Simetrical>	Recall that premature optimization is the root of all evil.
[13:48:01] <Simetrical>	Citing efficiency without presenting a specific case where it causes a demonstrable problem is against the rules.  ;)
[13:50:47] <MinuteElectron>	Also those methods (idFromName etc.) often use the object anyway
[13:54:01] <^demon>	MinuteElectron: In User::idFromName(), it actually makes a DB call per lookup :(
[13:54:41] <MinuteElectron>	well, unless you UserBatch then of course that's going to happen
[13:54:50] <MinuteElectron>	the trouble is there is no such thing as UserBatch
[13:55:27] <Dantman>	{{sofixit}}
[13:55:39] <MinuteElectron>	More often than not there is no need to get id from name for multiple users.
[13:55:43] <MinuteElectron>	Dantman: not helpful
[13:55:48] <Dantman>	heh
[13:55:59] <Dantman>	^_^ you're not the only one who needs help
[13:56:11] <^demon>	Oh, apparently MSFT has put out the PHP driver for SQL Server 2k5.
[13:56:15] <Dantman>	T_T The size inside my edit box is absolutely *ed up
[13:57:07] <Simetrical>	Who is this Anonymous Dissident person on mediawiki.org?  He's getting on my nerves.
[13:57:35] <MinuteElectron>	{{sobanhim}} ;)
[13:57:52] <^demon>	His name sounds familiar from enwiki, but I can't place a persona to him offhand.
[13:58:04] <Simetrical>	Someone made him a sysop on mediawiki.org for some reason.
[13:58:10] <MinuteElectron>	uh
[13:58:11] <MinuteElectron>	wtf
[13:58:33] <_mary_kate_>	what's he doing?
[13:58:34] <Simetrical>	He has like 350 edits and has never done anything with the software AFAIK.
[13:58:49] <MinuteElectron>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Administrators&diff=prev&oldid=208379 wtf?
[13:58:58] <Simetrical>	Yeah, that.
[13:59:26] <Simetrical>	Four people agreed on the talk page to that (counting me), including Skizzerz, MZMcBride, and me, and he disagreed.
[13:59:33] <Simetrical>	I added it, and he reverted me.
[13:59:54] <MinuteElectron>	Irritating signature as well.
[14:00:12] <Simetrical>	Wait, make that five people.
[14:00:33] <Simetrical>	Oh, and Sayuri's a dev too, I had forgotten.
[14:01:22] <Splarka>	maybe AaronSchulz will 'splain why he +sys'd him
[14:01:37] *Splarka 	injects drama
[14:01:38] <MinuteElectron>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Developers&diff=prev&oldid=206858 dipshit
[14:01:44] <Simetrical>	I asked.  I think it was something like "seemed trustworthy" or whatever.
[14:02:07] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, do you know if devs are supposed to be running mw.org by fiat or if it's supposed to be some fuzzy community thing like all the other projects?
[14:02:33] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: i don't know if that was ever written down.  fwiw, i (re)created the wiki, and i think developers should run it ;)
[14:02:36] <Simetrical>	I was never clear on that.  Because if it's the former, I'm just going to revert him and block if he edit-wars.
[14:02:56] <Simetrical>	Okay, I give five minutes for any objections or else I'm reverting him and threatening a block if he edit-wars.
[14:03:24] <_mary_kate_>	someone has done something weird with mediawikiwiki's css, the ca-actions tabs are wrong in modern
[14:04:00] <_mary_kate_>	.ns-4 #content, .ns-4 #p-cactions li, .ns-4 #p-cactions li a { background: #f8fcff; }
[14:04:08] <e7th04sh>	cu
[14:05:39] <Splarka>	yay for using Common.css for UI
[14:05:41] <Splarka>	idjits
[14:06:03] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: I'd be clear to him, but I don't know about block threats, seems drama prone
[14:06:15] <^demon>	Simetrical: I already reverted.
[14:06:16] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, "do not revert this", then?
[14:06:18] <Simetrical>	Okay.
[14:06:42] <AaronSchulz>	yeah, his edit was pretty stupid ;)
[14:06:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) divs with display: inline still have paragraphs added around them ( are treated as block-level by the parser) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15246  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:07:08] <AaronSchulz>	MW.org has always been a no-nonsense, common sense environment.
[14:07:28] <Splarka>	wtf
[14:07:29] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fcss&smaxage=2678400&action=raw&maxage=2678400&ts=20080824140004
[14:07:35] <Splarka>	common sense my ass
[14:07:43] <AaronSchulz>	So I don't give a shit if a steward sysops them self briefly to clean up stuff
[14:07:55] <Splarka>	_mary_kate_: move the relevant CSS there, shouldn't be in common ^_^
[14:08:04] <_mary_kate_>	Splarka: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=208414&oldid=203844
[14:08:10] <_mary_kate_>	someone else can move it to monobook if they want it there
[14:08:18] <Splarka>	how modern of you
[14:08:21] *Splarka 	grins
[14:10:46] <_mary_kate_>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/w/index.php?title=Developers&diff=206858&oldid=206823
[14:10:52] <_mary_kate_>	i already don't like this guy ;)
[14:12:33] <Splarka>	now it's personal!
[14:13:47] <MinuteElectron>	I don't think sysops should be allowed do this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Anonymous_Dissident
[14:13:47] <Splarka>	so what does "flyingparchment" mean? pun on paper airplane? reference to animal skin prophylactics?
[14:13:50] *Simetrical 	settled on "I would advise you to not be so free in reverting developers' policy edits without the discussion and agreement of others."
[14:13:56] <Splarka>	or just random verbnoun?
[14:14:33] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, I don't see why not, with SUL.
[14:15:06] <MinuteElectron>	It makes it difficult to find out the users discussions on MediaWIki, rather than in general.
[14:15:45] <Simetrical>	I enable enotif, personally.
[14:16:20] <^demon>	All sysops should have enotif enabled, so they're contact-able off-wiki if need be.
[14:16:29] <Simetrical>	Oh, right, this is why I formerly disliked him.
[14:16:41] <^demon>	MinuteElectron: There's no rule that says you _have_ to use the soft-link to meta. You can just leave a note under that :-P
[14:16:45] <Simetrical>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Project:Requests/Bureaucrat/Anonymous_Dissident
[14:16:53] *Simetrical 	realizes he's still on secure.
[14:16:57] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: heh
[14:17:16] <Simetrical>	Anyway, he asked to be made a bureaucrat, gave no good reason, and got pissy when he got told no.
[14:17:49] *_mary_kate_ 	comments
[14:17:57] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, where?
[14:18:04] <Simetrical>	"Oh please. How childish, to suggest I'm having a tantrum. . . . Take your patronising attitude elsewhere." <-- To Werdna, the third dev to say he wasn't needed.
[14:18:11] <_mary_kate_>	Project talk:Administrators
[14:20:21] <Simetrical>	Doesn't seem to deserve desysopping, though.
[14:20:49] <MinuteElectron>	=[
[14:20:55] <Splarka>	so create an RFC/RFAr system on mw and run him through it
[14:21:06] <AaronSchulz>	...
[14:21:15] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Requests_for_adminship&curid=3679&diff=1147171&oldid=1147168
[14:21:24] <^demon>	Can I be an arbitrator for mediawiki.org? :-P
[14:21:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	eww drama
[14:21:56] <Simetrical>	Proposal for mw.org RFAr decision-making process: developer asks other developers in #mediawiki what they think.
[14:22:04] <^demon>	Simetrical: Seconded.
[14:22:08] <Simetrical>	Sound good?  Okay, it's now official.
[14:22:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	\o/
[14:23:03] <^demon>	Do we need a god-king for when the developers are deadlocked in #mediawiki?
[14:23:13] <Simetrical>	^demon, brion, duh.
[14:23:15] <_mary_kate_>	i volunteer to be god-king
[14:23:20] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, actually, I thought his edit to that wasn't bad.  But the references thing is cuter, maybe.  :)
[14:23:42] <Splarka>	make brion the god-king but blame domas when anything bad happens there
[14:23:57] <newmorning>	hello @ll
[14:24:20] <newmorning>	is it dangerous to manually clear part of the "oldrevision" table ?
[14:24:34] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: indeed, the fact he made the change was my main concern - given he had no reason to do it.
[14:24:39] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, you can be deputy god-king for when we want someone to be desysopped but aren't sure if Brion will agree.
[14:24:45] <MinuteElectron>	was just proving a point maybe
[14:24:56] <Simetrical>	MinuteElectron, a little harsh, maybe.  One less click to get the list.
[14:25:00] <Simetrical>	Either way, honestly, I don't care.
[14:25:29] <Simetrical>	newmorning, that will break referential integrity.  There's a deleteOldRevisions.php script in maintenance/ that might work better than manually clearing it.
[14:26:32] <newmorning>	Simetrical : unfortunatly I don't have any SSH access, that'why why I'm asling if any other possibility exist...
[14:27:08] <Simetrical>	newmorning, it's not an operation that's explicitly supported by MediaWiki, beyond maybe an unmaintained maintenance script.
[14:27:17] <Simetrical>	Data storage is meant to be permanent in MediaWiki.
[14:27:49] <newmorning>	So DB shall grow untill servers'capacity limit 
[14:27:50] <newmorning>	?
[14:28:17] <^demon>	Pretty much yep.
[14:28:21] <Simetrical>	newmorning, disk space is cheap.  If your hosting doesn't completely suck, you'll never run into any limits.
[14:28:40] <newmorning>	Even a small wiki might reach a huge size if never cleaned up at all...
[14:28:46] <Bdk[a]>	_mary_kate_, thanks for the comment on mw.org
[14:28:53] <Simetrical>	newmorning, not really.
[14:29:13] <Simetrical>	Wikipedia's database would fit on a small RAID array.
[14:29:28] <Simetrical>	You can use compression to make the size of the extra revisions very small.
[14:29:51] <newmorning>	same problem : no SSG, no compression :/
[14:29:58] <newmorning>	*SSH
[14:31:19] <newmorning>	Simetrical : what d'you call "small" ?
[14:31:39] <CIA-57>	03rotem * r39907 10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/NewUserMessage.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[14:31:41] <Simetrical>	newmorning, negligible.
[14:31:51] <Simetrical>	And you shouldn't need SSH to enable compression.
[14:32:50] <_mary_kate_>	Bdk[a]: :)
[14:33:21] <newmorning>	Simetrical : isn't compression one of the php maintenance script ?
[14:33:36] <Simetrical>	newmorning, no.  It's done when the revision is saved and loaded.
[14:33:46] <Simetrical>	You can optionally compress old revisions using the maintenance script, but that's optional.
[14:34:06] <newmorning>	btw, I have 5Go of RAID6 disk : How long can that suffice ?
[14:34:26] <newmorning>	for let's say a dozen of active contributors
[14:34:54] <^demon>	Quite some time :-)
[14:35:03] <Simetrical>	newmorning, forever.
[14:35:10] <Simetrical>	Say, five or ten years.
[14:35:11] <Simetrical>	At least.
[14:35:21] <newmorning>	OK, so I guess maintenance script are somehow... optionals ?
[14:36:10] <^demon>	They're only needed if you have a specific one you need to run. Day-to-day usage and configuration of MW doesn't require them.
[14:36:23] <^demon>	For most sites, at least.
[14:36:51] <newmorning>	OK, I guess this explains the few documentation on them...
[14:37:48] <newmorning>	I tried an extension giving access to deleterevision.php on a wiki page : couldn't find out correct syntax on it, do you know it ?
[14:38:23] <^demon>	newmorning: http://mgeisler.net/php-shell/ - might look into this. Dunno if your host will allow it though.
[14:38:51] <^demon>	Bah, direct link
[14:38:51] <^demon>	http://phpshell.sourceforge.net/
[14:38:58] <newmorning>	I tried it and it seems to be locked... (safemode)
[14:39:31] <^demon>	Ah, then there's not much you can do :(
[14:39:38] <newmorning>	but I instaled an extension
[14:39:47] <newmorning>	now I have a Special:Maintenance page
[14:40:19] <newmorning>	for exemple index.php/Special:Maintenance/deleteRevision
[14:40:57] <^demon>	Never used the extension, sorry.
[14:41:34] <newmorning>	nore the maintenance script ?
[14:42:06] <newmorning>	It asks the versions to delete : seems simple but can't make it
[14:42:37] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, is there any way for a Unix process to set the UID of another process?  For instance, for FastCGI processes that you might want to have change UID on every request?
[14:42:42] <newmorning>	it says "vrsion can't be found"
[14:42:48] <newmorning>	version
[14:42:50] <^demon>	Skizzers: Ping
[14:42:56] <Skizzerz>	ohai
[14:43:07] <^demon>	newmorning has a question about ext: Maintenance.
[14:43:23] <Skizzerz>	I'm rewriting that extension
[14:43:34] <Simetrical>	Why should that be an extension?
[14:43:44] <Skizzerz>	so it's more of a wrapper to the scripts themselves instead of hacking the scripts to work on a web UI
[14:44:00] <Simetrical>	I don't see why the scripts have to be hacked to work on a web UI.
[14:44:23] <Simetrical>	$wgWebMaintenancePassword = false; # Set to true to allow maintenance scripts to be run from the web using this password
[14:44:24] <Skizzerz>	the print/echo calls get bumped to the top-left corner of the screen
[14:44:40] <Simetrical>	Skizzerz, no they don't.  You just have to use progressive rendering properly.
[14:44:50] <Simetrical>	Like the install script.
[14:44:54] <Simetrical>	Anyway, it's not like it's any problem if they do.
[14:45:01] *Skizzerz 	mehs
[14:45:09] <Simetrical>	This is something that should be in core for sure.
[14:45:21] <Simetrical>	Because it kind of sucks that people without SSH are crippled.
[14:46:19] <newmorning>	appart from being in the core or not, why do I get "can't find revision" and then "succes" when nothing happended ? pb of syntaxe, I guess...
[14:46:20] <Skizzerz>	commandLine.inc would need a tweak then
[14:46:38] <^demon>	If the format of maintenance scripts was cleaned up (maybe a class?), it could be made easier to have a web interface for them.
[14:46:40] <Skizzerz>	newmorning: it says "success" if the script didn't totally blow up
[14:46:43] <Simetrical>	Skizzerz, or include a different file, since it would be a kind of awful name if it were used for web scripts too.
[14:46:49] <Skizzerz>	true
[14:46:50] <Skizzerz>	:P
[14:46:59] <Simetrical>	^demon, maybe, but I doubt it's necessary.
[14:47:01] *Skizzerz 	works on that then... later
[14:47:24] <newmorning>	Skizzerz, for now can you tell how...
[14:47:35] <newmorning>	 I'm supposed to write down
[14:47:44] <newmorning>	the revisions I want to clean ?
[14:48:33] <^demon>	Simetrical: Right. I'm thinking that if they were subclassed of something (like an abstract maintenance class), you could insure they all have an execute() (or some other name) method so they can be called uniformly.
[14:48:52] <Simetrical>	^demon, just including them will call them.
[14:48:53] <Skizzerz>	newmorning: yes, write down the number of the revisions, one per line
[14:48:57] <Simetrical>	That's the convention we use now, anyway.
[14:49:00] <Simetrical>	Seems to work.
[14:49:10] <Simetrical>	But hey, if you want to rewrite dozens of scripts for no reason, go ahead.  ;)
[14:49:38] <Skizzerz>	that's the current method the extension uses already :P
[14:49:58] <^demon>	I'll live ;-)
[14:50:10] <Skizzerz>	but I think if we just call ob_flush() and flush() before the script starts, it should all be fine
[14:50:37] <NicDumZ>	.... did the format of enotify messages change so much recently ? It's the second WM wiki I find with wieird keywords in enotif-* messages... ?!
[14:50:41] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: it sucks that ssh access is listed as an optional requirement
[14:50:55] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, you mean because that's deceptive or because it should be required?
[14:51:27] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: both, unless you magically have a solution to security conserns and long-running scripts
[14:52:48] <newmorning>	Skizzerz : I tried title=Accueil&oldid=5 and got Version title=Accueil&oldid=5 introuvable !
[14:52:50] <newmorning>	deleteRevision s’est déroulé avec succès ! 
[14:53:01] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, security concerns can be handled by a simple password.  Long-running scripts can be rewritten to redirect to themselves (with appropriate params) when they get too close to the time limit.
[14:53:02] <Skizzerz>	just use 5
[14:53:10] <Skizzerz>	only the number 5
[14:53:19] <newmorning>	OK
[14:53:59] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: so you can guarantee no sinle operation takes longer than the timeout and can easily and efficiently be continued after that?
[14:54:14] <Skizzerz>	set_time_limit()?
[14:54:23] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, in most cases, yes.  Of course the script needs to be written with this in mind.
[14:54:33] <Skizzerz>	of course, there's still HTTP timeouts, but that will remove restrictions on the PHP aspect
[14:54:51] <newmorning>	It works Skizzerz, but still appears in the history though... Clicking on it says it has probably been cancelled, etc.
[14:54:53] <Simetrical>	Usually long-running scripts are a big loop, with independent iterations.  Just make sure you can resume at any iteration you like.
[14:55:06] <Simetrical>	Skizzerz, HTTP timeouts are no problem, just send a dot every five or ten seconds.
[14:55:13] <Simetrical>	Or some other progress indicator.
[14:55:36] <Skizzerz>	ok, so then there really isn't a timeout problem to worry about
[14:55:57] <Simetrical>	Not if it's written properly.
[14:57:03] <Skizzerz>	newmorning: wait, does clicking on the entry in the history display the revision properly?
[14:57:43] <newmorning>	no, it dispays (in french) that this has been canceled or it might but a bug to report
[14:57:54] <Skizzerz>	ok, then it worked
[14:58:11] <newmorning>	That is what I thought
[14:58:30] <newmorning>	I suggest history entry would be erased as well...
[14:58:38] <Skizzerz>	file a bugzilla report :)
[14:58:55] <newmorning>	I'll do that...
[14:59:07] <newmorning>	about extension or script ?
[14:59:08] <Skizzerz>	since I just basically copy/pasted the deleteRevision.php script and changed echo/print to $wgOut->addWikiText
[14:59:11] <Skizzerz>	script
[14:59:29] <newmorning>	all right :)
[14:59:49] <newmorning>	thanks for help and extension :)
[15:00:00] <Simetrical>	Skizzerz, did you turn off output buffering?
[15:00:15] <Skizzerz>	not explicitly
[15:01:43] <Skizzerz>	I probably will in the rewrite
[15:06:42] <szczepan>	TristanA: elo
[15:07:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) deleteRevision.php does not erase version from history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15291 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (hugoborrell)
[15:07:57] <TristanA>	Hi, how to deny history for annonymous users in mediawiki ?
[15:12:07] <CIA-57>	03nicdumz * r39908 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (6 files): Cleaning enotif-* messages : replacing obsolete (PAGEEDITOR|PAGETITLE)_(QC|RAWURL) by PAGEEDITOR/PAGETITLE
[15:13:07] <Skizzerz>	obtw, Simetrical: you said you were unsure of who the site was really run by a bit earlier. On Project:Requests in the top box it says that it appears to be controlled by the devs, not the community. I don't know if we can take that officially, but it's pretty much the only written thing on the wiki stating who seems to be in control
[15:13:27] <Simetrical>	Skizzerz, yeah, I'm pretty sure I wrote that.  :)
[15:13:42] <Skizzerz>	no, Kylu did
[15:13:47] <Skizzerz>	owait
[15:13:50] <Simetrical>	Copied from something I said, then.
[15:13:56] <Skizzerz>	maybe not
[15:14:07] <Splarka>	doesn't matter who wrote it
[15:14:14] <Splarka>	that it stayed there uncontested makes it law ^_^
[15:15:40] <^demon>	Dantman: Ping
[15:17:12] <Skizzerz>	yeah, it was you
[15:17:18] <Skizzerz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Requests&diff=next&oldid=177434
[15:17:41] <Skizzerz>	but since it's been up for 5 months uncontested... :)
[15:18:51] <newmorning>	TristanA : use lockdown extension
[15:19:28] <Simetrical>	Skizzerz, I bet AnonDiss would contest it, but he's not a dev, so he doesn't count.  ;)
[15:19:32] <TristanA>	newmorning: ok, i'll check
[15:19:38] <Skizzerz>	:P
[15:24:19] <_mary_kate_>	best reason not to sysop someone who asks: they have a big italic text in their sig saying "mediawiki support team"
[15:24:25] <newmorning>	bye bye all :)
[15:25:20] <Simetrical>	_mary_kate_, it was totally valid reasoning.
[15:25:25] <Skizzerz>	_mary_kate_: that "support desk" is so dysfunctional it makes me want to gouge my eyes out :P
[15:25:45] <t0lk>	is it possible to link to an arbitrary position on a Mediawiki page?
[15:25:59] <t0lk>	without using == ==
[15:26:01] <_mary_kate_>	Simetrical: that's what i'm saying.  that is a good (in fact, the best) reason not to sysop someone
[15:26:17] <Simetrical>	t0lk, use the id attribute.
[15:26:17] <Skizzerz>	t0lk: <span id="something"></span> and link to [[Somepage#Something]]
[15:26:48] <t0lk>	ahh, ok great
[15:29:43] <Dantman>	^demon: Huh?
[15:31:28] <^demon>	http://php.net/~helly/php/ext/spl/classDirectoryTreeIterator.html - kinda cool :-)
[15:35:20] <t0lk>	I'm using Mediawiki like wikisource is, so I wanted to have a template control the paragraph numbers so I have {{p|1}} for paragraph 1, and so-on. I'm wondering if its possible to turn that paragraph number to a section-link so users can easily link others directly to the paragraph in question
[15:35:23] <t0lk>	is this possible?
[15:41:06] <TristanA>	newmorning: I have installed it, but I still can't find how to add history to not allowed. Have you any sugestion?
[15:45:39] <t0lk>	nevermind, i figured it out!
[15:47:09] <t0lk>	does it matter if you call Template:P as {{p}} or {{P}}?
[15:47:16] <jlerner>	t0lk: no
[15:49:20] <Simetrical>	t0lk, by default, the first letter is case-insensitive.
[15:49:28] <Simetrical>	Due to imperialist English grammar rules.
[15:51:09] <t0lk>	lol, ok thanks
[16:18:43] <Subfader>	how can I change the view of article links via a gadget? I want to write a gadget that add a linked icon to the dit page of the article being linked. since it's systemwide i need to "touch" the general view of system generated article links
[16:23:20] <Subfader>	this is what I have so far: http://mixesdb.com/db/index.php/MediaWiki:Gadget-EditMoveALot.js
[16:24:47] <maxxxxx>	hi! how can i change the font of my wiki?
[16:25:48] <Subfader>	!css|maxxxxx
[16:25:48] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "css|maxxxxx". You might try: !css 
[16:26:06] <maxxxxx>	!css
[16:26:06] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[16:26:53] <maxxxxx>	thx alot
[16:28:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) some pages are delivering raw GZIP encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15149  +comment (10tk1b)
[16:28:30] <Subfader>	just check what the classes etc are called in skins/monobook/main.css, copy paste to MediaWiki:Common.css, adjust and save
[16:30:14] <Melos>	A lot of users report that Anonymous user don't see "Youhavenewmessages" when Anonymous talks are edited
[16:30:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) some pages are delivering raw GZIP encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15149  (10tk1b)
[16:30:42] <svip>	So.
[16:30:50] <svip>	When are the feature that allows you to watch a category coming?
[16:31:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) some pages are delivering raw GZIP encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15149  (10tk1b)
[16:34:01] <Subfader>	huh you can watch categories
[16:34:14] <_mary_kate_>	i think he wants to watch all pages in a category.  not the category page
[16:34:40] <Subfader>	i c
[16:35:09] <DarkoNeko>	special:whatlinkshere is the closest I see as solution
[16:36:38] <DarkoNeko>	is there a var to enable/disable "full words only" search ?
[16:37:09] <Simetrical>	You mean one to allow a search for "foo" to match "barfoobaz"?
[16:37:41] <DarkoNeko>	yes
[16:37:49] <DarkoNeko>	I'm using lucene as backend
[16:38:12] <Simetrical>	That would mean doing a full table scan of the text table on every search.
[16:38:15] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39909 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): skin updates
[16:38:26] <Simetrical>	Unless you have some fancy solution like trigram indexes.
[16:38:28] <Simetrical>	In short, no.
[16:38:33] <DarkoNeko>	hmm
[16:38:35] <DarkoNeko>	too bad :(
[16:38:37] <DarkoNeko>	thanks :)
[16:38:44] <_mary_kate_>	i wrote an n-gram search extension for mediawiki
[16:38:48] <_mary_kate_>	it was neat
[16:38:52] <DarkoNeko>	oh ?
[16:39:08] <_mary_kate_>	i think the code is still buried inside wikia, though.  i asked them to open source it, but nothing seems to have happened
[16:39:32] <DarkoNeko>	hmm
[16:42:31] <_mary_kate_>	in the end it turned out not to be very useful for searching but it was pretty good at identifying language
[16:42:36] <_mary_kate_>	(for 'Find pages in German')
[16:42:37] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[16:42:39] <Nikerabbit>	what's up
[16:43:09] <Nikerabbit>	_mary_kate_: maybe you could also write one for suggesting translations :)
[16:43:18] <Subfader>	svip: maybe check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategorySubscriptions
[16:51:28] <Oberoten>	Hola. 
[16:51:40] <Oberoten>	... wondering if MediaWiki supports DHTML forms?
[16:51:58] <CIA-57>	03skizzerz * r39910 10/trunk/extensions/RightFunctions/ (RightFunctions.i18n.php RightFunctions.php): * RightFunctions extension update -- bug fixes
[16:52:00] <Oberoten>	I'd like to implement a "Converter" page somewhere on it. 
[16:52:09] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) No plural check for Turkic and Mongolic languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13869  +comment (10huji.huji)
[16:53:23] <Simetrical>	Oberoten, "supports" in what sense?
[16:54:33] <Oberoten>	Is it possible to use it or even adviceable?
[16:54:59] <Oberoten>	I am thinking it shouldn't be too hard to do the basic convert ... just a table with input tags and "onchange"
[16:55:13] <Oberoten>	But will this be filtered out?
[17:00:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgUploadNavigationUrl on enwiki fails with https://secure. wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10843  (10sadik.khalid)
[17:01:03] <Oberoten>	What I really wonder then is this... is there any other way to do this? 
[17:01:22] <Oberoten>	IE, have a form-space where you can per example put in a temperature in C and get F out in another one?
[17:07:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Anonymous users don't see "Youhavenewmessages" alert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15292 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (nnico)
[17:12:29] <Oberoten>	I could use $wgRawHtml but would VERY much prefer not to, is there any other way?
[17:15:50] <MrZ-man>	Oberoten: you could add it to the page using the sitewide javascript
[17:16:07] <MrZ-man>	or there might be some extension you could use
[17:16:32] *Oberoten 	nods... Okay. common.js might do it.
[17:16:45] <Oberoten>	I'd actually prefer a extension.
[17:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image maps fail to scroll in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126  +comment (10michael.daly)
[17:28:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image maps fail to scroll in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126  (10michael.daly)
[17:49:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Provide filter for oldest unsighted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15293 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[17:54:48] <marchelly>	re
[17:57:02] <Sundance_Raphael>	re
[18:09:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image maps fail to scroll in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126  +comment (10michael.daly)
[18:43:19] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) internal_api_error_DBQueryError when API action login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15267  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:46:16] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) apprefix parameter ignores spaces at the end - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15275  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:57:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  (10michael.frey)
[19:06:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) internal_api_error_DBQueryError when API action login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15267  (10damien.flament)
[19:12:36] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39911 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Optionals for RightFunctions
[19:26:15] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39912 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (20 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-08-24 21:20 CEST)
[19:27:48] <MostafaDaneshvar>	I have problem with FlaggedRevs. I can't access Special:ProblemPages in my local wiki
[19:30:13] <MostafaDaneshvar>	"Permission error"
[19:30:37] <CIA-57>	03siebrand * r39913 10/trunk/extensions/ (35 files in 31 dirs): Localisation updates for extensions messages from Betawiki (2008-08-24 21:20 CEST)
[19:50:23] <BioVirus>	hi
[19:51:23] <BioVirus>	anyone know if mediawiki have spanish languaje?
[19:51:49] <siebrand>	BioVirus: yes, it has.
[19:52:08] <BioVirus>	only I need install and check spanish languaje?
[19:52:15] <siebrand>	BioVirus: also Basque, Catalan and possible some other languages spoken in Spain.
[19:52:38] <BioVirus>	spain nop, latin america
[19:53:24] <siebrand>	BioVirus: see http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Statistics/1.13 for the language stats of version 1.13.
[19:53:54] <siebrand>	BioVirus: see http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics for the stats of the most recent SVN version (actually, that may contain a little more)
[19:54:23] <BioVirus>	i have this question, what is SVN version?
[19:55:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1492  (10jlerner)
[19:55:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Secondary watchlist adds checkboxes for watched pages: watching with or without E-mail notification (enotif) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2555  (10jlerner)
[19:55:58] <siebrand>	BioVirus: it is the version in the MediaWiki source code repository.
[19:56:32] <siebrand>	BioVirus: if you are not familiar with that, you should concentrate on MediaWiki 1.13. www.mediawiki.org is the best place to download that.
[19:56:59] <BioVirus>	yes i'd downloaded yet
[19:58:12] <BioVirus>	but the installation is in english... :S
[19:58:44] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39914 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: typo
[20:03:02] <CIA-57>	03demon * r39915 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIFile.php: Let action=purge actually do something for the ForeignAPIFile/Repo code. Still need to make it work on the metadata cache too, but I can live with this for now :)
[20:04:02] <BioVirus>	siebrand: ok, i installed MW in my localhost, now, i wanna change the menus, the text, etc.... how?
[20:04:25] <siebrand>	BioVirus: "the text"? What text?
[20:04:38] <siebrand>	! sidebar | BioVirus
[20:04:41] <CIA-57>	03demon * r39916 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: +RELEASE-NOTES for previous commit.
[20:04:44] <siebrand>	!sidebar | BioVirus
[20:04:44] --mwbot--	BioVirus: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:05:31] <BioVirus>	MW doesn't have a admin panel or something like that?
[20:06:00] <siebrand>	^demon: I looks to me like a "title" message may be missing in visual diff.
[20:06:23] <BioVirus>	i know Joomla! y used for many time, but, I wanna try MW, because that, im searching a admin panel... :S
[20:07:00] <siebrand>	^demon: see http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User:Asiri_wiki&diff=prev&oldid=287907&htmldiff=1 , link "Sri Lanka". The work "title" in there appears to not have i18n.
[20:07:09] <siebrand>	^demon: s/work/word
[20:07:20] *^demon 	is looking
[20:08:25] <^demon>	"Moved to link destination, blah blah blah?"
[20:08:38] <ialex>	^demon: why ForeignAPIRepo uses format=json for requests to foreign api.php and not format=php and then unserialize() ? :)
[20:08:52] <siebrand>	^demon: "with class ..., TITLE...
[20:08:59] <siebrand>	^demon: that one
[20:09:12] <^demon>	ialex: Because Brion wrote it that way and I never bothered changing it.
[20:09:29] <^demon>	siebrand: Ah I see.
[20:09:38] <Nikerabbit>	is the serialised stuff stable?
[20:10:02] <ialex>	like json
[20:10:03] <Nikerabbit>	at least it would be dangerous
[20:10:34] <^demon>	siebrand: Can't seem to find where it's hardcoded. Any ideas?
[20:10:49] <siebrand>	^demon: didn't look yet.
[20:11:04] <siebrand>	^demon: maybe a wfMsgForContent?
[20:11:28] <^demon>	None in HTMLDiff.
[20:11:52] <siebrand>	^demon: hmm. Impossible :)
[20:12:15] <BioVirus>	i forgett the pass of admin user!!!
[20:12:16] <BioVirus>	hahaha
[20:12:44] <ialex>	BioVirus: use maintenance/changePassoword.php
[20:12:45] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39917 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (delay_load.php mv_embed.js): delay load script for testing mv_embed
[20:13:15] <BioVirus>	no, sorry, i rebember it
[20:13:16] <BioVirus>	ijijiji
[20:13:38] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves to ialex :-)
[20:13:54] <ialex>	rar Jack_Phoenix :D
[20:13:58] <siebrand>	^demon: interesting. There is no message in core reading lowercase "title".
[20:14:00] <Jack_Phoenix>	rar
[20:14:24] <siebrand>	guyvdb: ping?
[20:15:29] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39918 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: typo
[20:16:00] <^demon>	siebrand: I know. What I think it is is that the actual HTML attribute name is being put in.
[20:16:05] <siebrand>	^demon: I think "class" has the same as "title"
[20:17:07] <^demon>	Fwiw, the word "Title" never appears in HTMLDiff....
[20:17:10] <siebrand>	^demon: do you also see the exlink tooltip appear over the visual diff popup?
[20:17:26] <siebrand>	^demon: *nod* I checked that too
[20:17:28] <^demon>	Slightly, but it's not a huge bother.
[20:18:04] <BioVirus>	sorry if anyone'll feel bad, but this mediawiki is too wired
[20:18:26] <^demon>	Wired?
[20:18:35] <BioVirus>	rare
[20:19:40] <^demon>	siebrand: You know, _not_ commenting out all of the wfDebug() calls _might_ make this easier ;-)
[20:20:27] <siebrand>	^demon: do I do anything of that nature?
[20:21:26] <siebrand>	^demon: ow, any suggestions of for which lines I should remove the comments?
[20:21:34] <^demon>	No clue :-)
[20:21:57] *siebrand 	grins evilly at ^demon.
[20:22:31] <siebrand>	^demon: guess we'll just have to wait until guyvdb shows a sign of life
[20:23:04] <^demon>	Yeah, that. Either that or I manage to figure out how this thing works. Whichever happens first :-P
[20:25:12] <^demon>	siebrand: I _think_ it has _something_ to do with TagToString::addAttributes()
[20:26:42] <BioVirus>	hahahahaha, this thing its too rare!!
[20:26:45] <BioVirus>	j:$
[20:26:47] <BioVirus>	:$
[20:27:42] <^demon>	siebrand: Maybe putting single quotes or something around technical terms will make it more clear? I don't know really...in any case, I replicated the diff on my local install so I can play with it.
[20:27:43] <Duesentrieb>	BioVirus: o_O
[20:27:53] <^demon>	BioVirus: {{sofixit}}
[20:28:05] <BioVirus>	sorry, but i never used it
[20:28:23] <BioVirus>	and sometimes i dont understand the funcionality
[20:28:36] <Duesentrieb>	BioVirus: well... asking helps, i suppose :o)
[20:28:54] <BioVirus>	yes, i know, ;)
[20:29:37] <^demon>	siebrand: That little popup box is a mess. I can hardly tell what it's talking about....
[20:30:11] <siebrand>	^demon: yep. And afaik that's what all those messages are for. At least, I cannot find any other place where the messages taht were added for the feature are being used.
[20:30:51] <CIA-57>	03mfarag * r39919 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: typo
[20:31:56] *^demon 	shrugs
[20:32:03] <^demon>	In any case, the little box needs a ui overhaul.
[20:32:22] <BioVirus>	im modifing the side bar, ok?, im editing the MediaWiki:Sidebar page, but in my wiki is: -portada, portal, actualidad.... obvious, in spanish, but in the sidebar page isn't appears in spanish, soo, how can i modify the sidebar?
[20:32:44] <^demon>	I _guess_ I can see the argument in leaving the attribs the same as normal (an <a>'s "title" is "title" in all languages), but it does spit in the face of i18n.
[20:34:38] <MostafaDaneshvar>	I need an example for $wgReviewCodes
[20:36:35] <^demon>	siebrand: You know....bullets inside the list to set apart each change might help :-)
[20:36:47] <siebrand>	^demon: YES!
[20:37:33] <^demon>	Trying to track down where in the hell to add it.
[20:45:18] <^demon>	fwiw: "Moved to a link" is awkward sentence construction.
[20:45:46] <^demon>	I would think _changed to_ would make more sense, but w/e
[20:46:50] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Fatal error: Call to a member function article() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14750  normal->highest; +comment (10dasch_87)
[20:50:10] <Iyunkateus>	Hey, I have a problem with the logo settings. I set $wgLogo and now there's no image.
[20:50:21] <Iyunkateus>	Is PNG allowed for the logo?
[20:50:30] <Skizzerz>	yes
[20:50:32] <Skizzerz>	!logo
[20:50:32] --mwbot--	The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information.
[20:50:47] <Skizzerz>	make sure that it is a full URL and not just a path to the image
[20:51:08] <Skizzerz>	e.g. http://mywiki.com/w/someimage.png and not /someimage.png
[20:51:37] <Iyunkateus>	Oh, now I see the problem
[20:52:23] <Iyunkateus>	So wouldn't that mean this is incorrect?
[20:52:26] <Iyunkateus>	Or uploaded an image to your server by other means (such as FTP). Add the $wgLogo line to LocalSettings.php, for example:
[20:52:28] <Iyunkateus>	$wgLogo = 'photoname.jpg'; 
[20:52:30] <Iyunkateus>	In this example, the photo is in the same folder as the LocalSettings.php file.
[20:53:17] <Simetrical>	Iyunkateus, no, that's correct.  It can be a relative URL too, but that can be confusing.
[20:53:24] <Simetrical>	Either way works, though.
[20:55:52] <Iyunkateus>	Also, there's a little space between the tabs and the main content, can that be fixed?
[20:56:06] <Omnimon-X>	I'm getting an error trying to install mediawiki. There is a similar error on your site, but it is not the same thing.
[20:56:13] <Omnimon-X>	The error I am getting is
[20:56:31] <Omnimon-X>	'... open_basedir restriction in effect. File(C:\Windows\Temp) ... '
[20:57:03] <Omnimon-X>	its directory is not C:\Windows\Temp, and I don't know where it even mentions taht.
[20:57:05] <Omnimon-X>	that
[20:57:20] <Simetrical>	Omnimon-X, could you pastebin the full output of the installer?
[20:57:25] <Omnimon-X>	yeah
[20:59:07] <Omnimon-X>	http://pastebin.ca/1183711
[20:59:10] <^demon>	siebrand: Also, diff-with-additional sucks as an interface message.
[20:59:21] <^demon>	'diff-with-additional'    => '$1 $2',
[20:59:23] <^demon>	wtf?
[20:59:39] <siebrand>	^demon: ;) Best use constructive language.
[21:00:03] <siebrand>	^demon: I saw $1 $2 $3 ... $7 committed today...
[21:00:46] <CIA-57>	03ialex * r39920 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (LqtBaseView.php LqtPages.php): 
[21:00:46] <CIA-57>	Fix special page stuff, changed SpecialPage::getPage(...)->getTitle() to
[21:00:46] <CIA-57>	SpecialPage::getTitleFor(...) and fixed keys, they are not case insensitive, was
[21:00:46] <CIA-57>	throwing E_ERROR, call to function getTitle to a non-object as
[21:00:46] <CIA-57>	SpecialPage::getPage() returned null
[21:00:52] <^demon>	Almost got this sorted out to where it's semi-legible :-)
[21:01:01] <Iyunkateus>	What does this error mean? "Warning:  putenv() has been disabled for security reasons in /home/glitch/public_html/w/includes/Setup.php on line 121"
[21:01:11] <siebrand>	^demon: that would get you multiple cookies!
[21:01:42] <ialex>	Iyunkateu: do you have safe_mode enabled?
[21:01:48] <ialex>	*Iyunkateus
[21:01:51] <^demon>	I was also thinking. What if we made it an _optional_ message....diff-attrib-someattributename, and it will only use that (in place of the actual attribute name) if the message _is_ actually customized.
[21:01:59] <Iyunkateus>	What is safe mode?
[21:02:07] <ialex>	!safemode
[21:02:07] --mwbot--	safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[21:02:43] <siebrand>	^demon: I haven't seen any test cases in which these messages are all actually being used, and some complex scenario's using them.
[21:03:03] <Iyunkateus>	Uh, I'm pretty sure it isn't enabled, unless it is by default, which is unlikely.
[21:03:14] <siebrand>	^demon: if guyvdb would maybe deliver those, we could better assess the quality of i18n implementation.
[21:03:26] <Omnimon-X>	Simetrical, the link is http://pastebin.ca/1183711
[21:03:43] <siebrand>	^demon: the URL I gave you is the only one where I have seen them in action.
[21:03:48] <Simetrical>	Omnimon-X, that's everything that the whole installer prints out?
[21:03:57] <Omnimon-X>	yeah
[21:04:04] <Omnimon-X>	when I go to the config page, that's what I get
[21:04:30] <ialex>	Iyunkateus: or is that function in disable_functions setting of php.ini?
[21:04:53] <Iyunkateus>	I'll check
[21:05:41] <^demon>	siebrand: Sounds good to me.
[21:06:13] <^demon>	I *can* say my tweaks did remove diff-with-additional.
[21:06:21] <Iyunkateus>	Where is php.ini? On my system or on the server that hosts the wiki?
[21:06:41] <ialex>	Iyunkateus: on the server
[21:07:26] <siebrand>	^demon: more stuff like this: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User%3ASiebrand%2Fvdifftest1&htmldiff=Visuele+vergelijking&diff=675215&oldid=675214
[21:08:20] <^demon>	That's odd, it's not showing the popups on mine anymore.
[21:08:21] <siebrand>	^demon: looks to me like the bottom 2 cases should work differently.
[21:09:17] <^demon>	And that popup along the bottom edge of the screen plays funny with my scrollbars.
[21:09:43] <siebrand>	^demon: I think it's a start for a test page :)
[21:09:59] <Iyunkateus>	Any idea where on the server? I'm using a free host, and I don't see it anywhere
[21:10:17] <^demon>	Sounds good to me. Someone just needs to poke guy when they see him.
[21:10:56] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: on a shared host, you don't have access to php.ini
[21:11:01] <siebrand>	^demon: the external link change gives 2 bullets. I wonder why. Localisation for the first 2 cases fails for Dutch.
[21:11:24] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: you can check the settings useing phpinfo() though
[21:11:33] <^demon>	There's some weird <li>'s floating around in the code.
[21:11:36] <siebrand>	^demon: it says "bold style added". In Dutch it should be "style bold added"
[21:12:09] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: anyway... *free* hosts generally do nasty stuff like injecting ads, or they are extremly restrictive, or they plainly suck. mediawiki often has problems there.
[21:12:25] <Iyunkateus>	The one I'm using is pretty decent
[21:12:51] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: a *cheap* host will usually do for basic operation, though a moderatly professional account, with shell access, is advisable if you want to seriously want to run a wiki for any amount of people.
[21:13:09] <Reedy>	dreamhost!
[21:13:53] <Iyunkateus>	What is putenv() anyway?
[21:13:54] <siebrand>	^demon: so 'diff-styleadded' should probably read "$1 style added" (and it's counter part "$1 style removed")
[21:14:22] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: well, just ask your host about enabling putenv. but it's just a warning, and it probably isn't needed. however, chances are, there's more that is disabled, and then running mediawiki is not going to be fun, or not possible at all. as i said, it's often too restrictive
[21:14:43] <^demon>	siebrand: styleadded and styleremoved have no params right now. I'll add them. Class name, I guess?
[21:15:05] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: mediawiki is not lightweight, and it's not designed for a minimal environment. it's a heavy duty tool. don't try to mow your lawn with a tank...
[21:15:24] <CIA-57>	03minuteelectron * r39921 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/Babel.class.php: * Fix bug that cuases a notice level error in Babel, the check for key existence is made using the lower case value, but the usage of the key was not - changed so both use the lower case value.
[21:15:46] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: to answer your question: putenv is used to sedt environment variables. not sure what it's used for in this context
[21:15:58] <Duesentrieb>	but again, it's likely that more critical stuff is going to be disabled too.
[21:16:13] <siebrand>	^demon: dunno how that works. I have only seen it have the values "bold" and "italics". I guess "strikethrough" and some others are also possible. Making a test case for multiple style additions and removals right now.
[21:16:13] <Omnimon-X>	Simetrical, you still there?
[21:16:19] <Iyunkateus>	lol I need to write that down
[21:16:28] <Iyunkateus>	Duesentrieb
[21:16:52] <Duesentrieb>	hm?
[21:16:53] <^demon>	siebrand: I really don't know. There's no clean interface for this thing....I really wish I could get a nice stack trace to know what was called in what orders....might make a bit more sense.
[21:17:16] <Iyunkateus>	Duesentrieb: The "don't try to mow your lawn with a tank" thing
[21:17:29] <siebrand>	^demon: wee :) Message missing :) http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User%3ASiebrand%2Fvdifftest2&htmldiff=Visuele+vergelijking&diff=675218&oldid=675217
[21:18:06] <Duesentrieb>	Iyunkateus: quote it if you like...
[21:18:59] <siebrand>	bupdate
[21:19:18] <^demon>	Bah! I found out the styleadded/removed issue.
[21:19:33] <^demon>	It's hardcoded to use diff-tagname then diff-styleadded/removed.
[21:20:22] <siebrand>	^demon: that finding is consistent with my observation.
[21:21:30] <^demon>	If you're going to support a tag, also support its output kthnx :-)
[21:21:58] <^demon>	Fun. The message is called diff-strike, but it's trying to call diff-s :-)
[21:22:03] <siebrand>	^demon: hehe. More confusing behaviour. See http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User%3ASiebrand%2Fvdifftest2&diff=675226&oldid=675217&htmldiff=Visuele+vergelijking
[21:22:17] <siebrand>	^demon: (hmm, which is that URL localised)
[21:22:33] <siebrand>	^demon: anyway, *if* that works for you, check the first header.
[21:23:03] <siebrand>	"moved outside header level 2, moved to header level 1". Confusing...
[21:23:18] <siebrand>	^demon: it does the same with changed links. Also 2 messages.
[21:23:39] <^demon>	And to think, it's _less_ than it was :-P
[21:24:15] <siebrand>	^demon: didn't even get that far with the fist i18n version.
[21:24:38] <^demon>	Back in a few. I need some fresh air, this is giving me a headache.
[21:25:54] <siebrand>	^demon: take it easy :)
[21:29:42] <siebrand>	^demon: eat your heart out :) http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User%3ASiebrand%2Fvdifftest3&htmldiff=Visuele+vergelijking&diff=675235&oldid=675234
[21:31:26] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39922 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/archives/patch-flaggedpages.sql: no need to keep this index
[21:31:46] <siebrand>	^demon: oh, I can reproduce the scrollbar issue too on the "Change" link at the bottom of that last page.
[21:39:23] <CIA-57>	03demon * r39923 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: Document the new param.
[21:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow blocking of global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15294 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (pathoschild)
[21:56:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide filter for oldest unsighted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15293  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:10:53] <guyvdb>	^demon: not commenting out the wfDebug stuff makes sure your log file isnt 99% HTMLDiff out put ;p
[22:11:04] <guyvdb>	I left the more important ones in place.
[22:11:37] <guyvdb>	siebrand: the word title isn't in the source. it comes straight from the HTML
[22:12:01] <guyvdb>	I use the attribute names and values when there is no translation for it available
[22:12:18] <guyvdb>	I havn't bothered adding every single existing attribute
[22:12:36] <guyvdb>	that would probably be too much for the already bad i18n :)
[22:13:52] <guyvdb>	^demon: I completely agree with you that the tooltip needs a UI overhaul, I already asked for help with that. I'm not too keen on JS myself. I can however produce any output required to improve it.
[22:14:44] <^demon>	Documenting HtmlDiff.php would be a fantastic start :-)
[22:15:05] <^demon>	At least a quick description of what in the heck some of the classes do.
[22:16:12] <^demon>	Also, is there any purpose for the EchoingContentHandler class? I don't see it used anywhere...
[22:19:26] <guyvdb>	It's not used no. It was there to be used outside of mediawiki
[22:19:59] <GreatBear>	hi 
[22:20:01] <GreatBear>	anyone around for a quick question
[22:20:02] <GreatBear>	?
[22:20:37] <^demon>	!ask | GreatBear
[22:20:37] --mwbot--	GreatBear: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[22:20:51] <GreatBear>	thank you....
[22:21:13] <GreatBear>	is there a web front end for configureing mediawiki...and where can I get it?
[22:21:24] <GreatBear>	configuring
[22:21:24] <^demon>	!e Configure | GreatBear
[22:21:24] --mwbot--	GreatBear: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Configure
[22:21:47] <GreatBear>	kewl...thank you!
[22:21:53] <^demon>	No problem :-)
[22:22:26] <GreatBear>	^demon are you a person or a bot?
[22:22:38] <^demon>	I'm a person, mwbot's a bot :-)
[22:22:50] <GreatBear>	ok :-)
[22:22:58] <GreatBear>	thanks for the help......more reading :-)
[22:23:11] <^demon>	No problem.
[22:23:12] <^demon>	guyvdb: I'm going to run out for a bit. Siebrand made a test page (http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Siebrand/vdifftest3) to try and put HTMLDiff through its paces
[22:23:23] <^demon>	Thought you'd like a look at it too.
[22:24:39] <guyvdb>	^demon: I understand that you guys think that for such complex changes the description isn't optimal
[22:24:46] <GreatBear>	thanks
[22:25:16] <guyvdb>	You should keep in mind that you can artificially create very complex changes that will be difficult to describe in natural language.
[22:25:47] <guyvdb>	I mean, you could just give no explanation and mark those words as changed
[22:26:04] <^demon>	I'm well aware. Just trying to make it as easy for the end-users to understand as possible :-)
[22:26:30] <guyvdb>	sure
[22:26:45] <guyvdb>	I do think I should add something to make the TOC html better supported
[22:27:12] <GreatBear>	ttfn
[22:27:23] <guyvdb>	but I don't think that "moved out of a heading (level 2).moved to a heading (level 1)." is a very bad description of what happened
[22:30:18] <guyvdb>	anyway, I'll catch you later
[22:33:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide sorting for OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15293  summary (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:36:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide time sorting for OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15293  summary (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:37:19] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39924 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Provide time sorting for OldReviewedPages (bug 15293) [schema change]
[22:38:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Provide time sorting for OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15293  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:50:24] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39925 10/trunk/phase3/includes/IP.php: remove extra parenthesis
[23:25:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Impossible to lauch Mediawiki with LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15295 04BLOCKER; normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (bertrand.grondin)
[23:25:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to lauch Mediawiki with LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15295  normal->high (10bertrand.grondin)
[23:30:59] <Grondin>	Why do you not testing extension before comitting ?
[23:31:01] <Grondin>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15295
[23:31:09] <Grondin>	I'm very angry
[23:32:28] <_mary_kate_>	you're using the bleeding edge development version of an in-development extension and you're angry it doesn't work?
[23:32:42] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r39926 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: move type casting
[23:33:58] <^demon|away>	_mary_kate_: For general use, slightly scabbing edge might be more stable than bleeding edge. :-p
[23:36:27] <Grondin>	_mary_kate_, before committing, test it before !!!
[23:36:39] <Grondin>	I'm not a bigorneaéu
[23:36:44] <_mary_kate_>	yeah, so the unstable development version of some code got broken, big deal
[23:36:56] <_mary_kate_>	if you want something guaranteed to work, wait for a release
[23:37:14] <Grondin>	and I must uninstal it whetehr
[23:37:21] <Grondin>	congratulation !
[23:37:26] <Grondin>	what's a crapy code
[23:37:33] <_mary_kate_>	if you already have it installed, just revert to the version you were using before
[23:37:45] <_mary_kate_>	file a bug, stop whing, get on with your life
[23:39:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to lauch Mediawiki with LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15295  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:39:44] <^demon>	Grondin: As I stated in the bug, you need to be more specific. I just installed bleeding edge and it worksforme.
[23:39:44] *AaronSchulz 	starts up with LT
[23:40:10] <AaronSchulz>	^demon: heh, same time
[23:40:36] <Grondin>	thank's ^demon 
[23:40:58] <^demon>	You're welcome. Can you tell us _what_ went wrong and when? My copy works fine.
[23:41:31] <Grondin>	no !
[23:41:47] <^demon>	Excuse me?
[23:43:10] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39927 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (embedLibs/mv_vlcEmbed.js mv_embed.js skin/styles.css): mv_embed updates
[23:43:24] <CIA-57>	03dale * r39928 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/skins/mvpcf/style.css: skin updates
[23:44:17] <^demon>	Grondin: If you can't be more helpful, I can't be more helpful. I'm not going to spend my evening tracking down a bug I can't reproduce when you cannot help me more than this.
[23:44:57] <Grondin>	wait a moment
[23:45:07] <^demon>	Alrighty.
[23:46:12] <Grondin>	^demon, the extension is now disabled :-(
[23:46:53] <Grondin>	the namespaces disappaired
[23:47:07] <Grondin>	the extension unavaillable
[23:47:16] <Grondin>	as it was unistalled 
[23:47:19] <^demon>	Ok. Now maybe a few questions can get is started. What version of mediawiki and liquidthreads were you running?
[23:47:24] <Grondin>	1.14
[23:47:33] <Grondin>	and the last version
[23:47:37] <Grondin>	of all
[23:48:13] <Grondin>	updated to r39926.
[23:48:22] <VasilievVV>	AaronSchulz: are you around? I need to ask you a few questions about stable templates
[23:48:34] <Grondin>	in French : c'est le merdier le plus complet
[23:48:34] <^demon>	Alright. Do you have any other extensions installed?
[23:48:40] <Grondin>	yes
[23:49:01] <^demon>	Which ones?
[23:49:02] <Grondin>	why it doesn't run now with the same extensions
[23:49:12] <Grondin>	plenty of
[23:49:54] <Grondin>	d'you want a very big flood
[23:50:05] <Grondin>	that'll disturb another one
[23:50:26] <^demon>	Ok, fair enough. What were you doing when it crashed? Had you _just_ installed it (added it to your LocalSettings), or was it already installed then it broke?
[23:50:37] <Grondin>	Yes
[23:50:47] <Grondin>	since one week it runs perfectly
[23:51:06] <Grondin>	I've just updated it tomorrow and it's disabled
[23:51:06] <^demon>	Ok. What were you trying to do when it crashed? Start a new thread? Change the configuration?
[23:51:28] <Grondin>	No thread, and no namespace appair now
[23:52:51] <Grondin>	After the last update : all the extension is unavailable
[23:53:02] <Grondin>	sorry for that, but it's truth
[23:53:29] <Grondin>	You must revert the last edit
[23:54:07] <MrZ-man>	Grondin: what do you have as the require_once() for LiquidThreads in your LocalSettings?
[23:54:22] <AaronSchulz>	good question
[23:54:39] <Grondin>	require_once( "$IP/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtPages.php" );
[23:54:52] <AaronSchulz>	mmm, wrong now
[23:55:13] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna changed it to LiquidThreads.php effectively
[23:56:50] <Grondin>	ah !
[23:57:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to lauch Mediawiki with LiquidThreads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15295  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:57:23] <VasilievVV>	AaronSchulz: how do stable templates actually work? They pick up latest patrolled version of the template or they just store expanded version of the article?
[23:57:32] <MrZ-man|not_here>	I updated the installation directions - http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension%3ALiquidThreads&diff=208556&oldid=205992
[23:57:54] <Grondin>	don't forget to modify README file :-)
[23:58:27] <_mary_kate_>	you mean we don't absolutely have to revert the last edit zomg anymore?