[00:03:35] <eddan>	Can I turn off the title heading for one page only?
[00:06:26] <CIA-6>	03dale * r41680 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/MV_Index.php: default search order fix
[00:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sortable table date sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8226  +comment (10jhcwilson)
[00:46:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) change showcurid to show wiki url as oposed to /w/index.php... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15739  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:47:02] <Sundance_Raphael>	n8
[00:58:58] <Premia>	hello, i get a blank page when clicking on edit or preview. can someone help please?
[01:00:53] <lch>	turn on php errors or read your error log, probably php crashing
[01:02:04] <Premia>	thanks, but only the text of the article is gone, the rest is still there. it only happens to large articles
[01:03:13] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41681 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): Add minor deletion cleanup function back
[01:26:22] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r41682 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Old/Late Time Chinese
[01:35:21] <Premia>	i cant edit any article which is bigger than 62 kb
[01:51:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  +comment (10nospam)
[01:52:36] <lch>	Premia, then it might either be a browser problem or a limit problem
[01:52:40] <lch>	I'd suspect the first
[01:53:15] <lch>	limit problem as in limited resources available to PHP
[01:53:50] <kebomix_>	Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/
[01:59:48] <Premia>	i am using the latest internet explorer, firefox and safari, but experience the same problem with all browsers. every user of our wiki experiences this problem. i have raised local value of memory_limit , but it didnt help
[02:05:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  (10nospam)
[02:08:17] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41683 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeRevision.php CodeRevisionView.php): Some minor cleanup
[02:14:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  (10nospam)
[02:23:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  (10nospam)
[02:25:37] <Wyatt_Chevalier>	Hello, I've been getting a "Unknown import source type" error while moving an XML dump to a new wiki.  The new wiki's version info is at http://sphere.referata.com/wiki/Special:Version  The old wiki was MW version MediaWiki 1.10.0 
[02:26:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Users can login with global account and create an account in a wiki even if IP is blocked from account creations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11148   +need-review (10mikelifeguard)
[02:27:24] <Wyatt_Chevalier>	As this is a third party site, I do not have access to the server.
[02:27:53] <Wyatt_Chevalier>	Any help you can give me would be appreciated.
[02:31:15] <newrkv>	how do you change the links at the top of the page where your talk page links and preferences links and stuff are
[02:33:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AntiSpoof should run checks at the global level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15841 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AntiSpoof; (mikelifeguard)
[02:34:21] <newrkv>	anyone know?
[02:35:40] <Wyvernoid>	How do you want them changed?
[02:36:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page for recent changes in unwatched articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13063  +comment (10cragos)
[02:38:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AntiSpoof should run checks at the global level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15841  +comment (10lilewyn)
[02:39:01] <Premia>	i have another question: our mysql database is very large, more then 2 gb. thats why mediawiki causes our server to crash. is there a way to optimize the database?
[02:39:48] <newrkv>	i want to remove a couple of the links
[02:39:50] <_mary_kate_>	a 2GB database crashed your server?
[02:39:54] <newrkv>	sorry, i zoned out there for a minute
[02:40:22] <Premia>	yes _mary_kate_ why are you asking
[02:40:35] <Simetrical>	Premia, large databases should not cause your server to crash.  Or even MySQL to crash.
[02:40:44] <Simetrical>	Wikipedia's database is what, now, hundreds of gigabytes?
[02:40:56] <Simetrical>	Do be sure you're running a 64-bit server OS, though.
[02:41:08] <_mary_kate_>	Premia: because there are many mysql databases much larger than that (i have a couple here which are 800GB+) and it's never crashed the server by being too big
[02:42:32] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908   +need-review; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:43:04] <Premia>	our webhost said that 1 visitor causes 14 % use of capacity of the server
[02:44:23] <Simetrical>	I'm assuming you're using shared hosting.
[02:45:30] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41684 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Partial revert of r41527. Do this in a cleaner way.
[02:45:45] <Premia>	25% CPU-Core (1 core = 1,6 ghz), 512 mb ram
[02:46:53] <Premia>	how much do you recommend
[02:48:53] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41685 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AuthPlugin.php: Remove cruft here
[02:49:13] <Premia>	_mary_kate_: what kind of server do you use
[02:54:34] <_mary_kate_>	you should ask your hosting provider which queries cause the server to crash (and they should probably file a mysql bug)
[02:55:43] <Simetrical>	Premia, MediaWiki can be very CPU-intensive.  Wikipedia relies on a few hundred dual quad-core application servers plus heavy Squid caching.
[02:56:09] <Simetrical>	If you're having CPU problems, Squid is a good idea.  So is getting better CPUs, if you can.
[02:58:19] <_mary_kate_>	probably best to work out why the server crashed before working out why it's slow ;)
[03:01:22] <rchern>	what does the ! mean in the RecentChanges page?
[03:01:37] <Mike||spam>	rchern: it means that edit is unpatrolled
[03:01:54] <Mike||spam>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits
[03:01:58] <Splarka>	well, sometimes
[03:02:01] <Splarka>	it can also be used in flaggedrevs
[03:02:07] <Premia_>	thank you for your help :-)
[03:02:14] <Splarka>	!exclamation
[03:02:14] --mwbot--	A red exclamation point (<span class="unpatrolled">!</span>)in recent changes or on your watchlist is due to either the enabling of patrolled editing <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits> or the Flagged Revisions extension <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs>
[03:02:15] <Premia_>	bye
[03:02:51] <Mike||spam>	FlaggedRevs uses the exact same marker? That's confusing 9_9
[03:03:18] <rchern>	thanks. kind of a weird keyword to search for
[03:04:11] <Splarka>	Mike: indeed it is, blame aaron
[03:05:02] <Mike||spam>	I /do/ blame him :)
[03:08:07] <rchern>	also, is there a list of suggested permissions? like i've disabled anonymous edits/uploads, and i need to change moving pages to sysop only...just curious what else i should be thinking of
[03:09:16] <Mike||spam>	rchern: all that depends on what you're trying to do. For our projects openness is key; for others perhaps not.
[03:09:43] <rchern>	open, but protected as well, if that makes sense
[03:10:07] <Mike||spam>	Have you considered using FlaggedRevs?
[03:10:20] <rchern>	hadn't heard about it until ^^^ ;)
[03:10:36] <rchern>	looking it up now hehe
[03:11:06] <Mike||spam>	it's a nice way of keeping openness but providing some oversight to changes
[03:11:28] <Mike||spam>	(or I assume it is, because my home wiki hasn't had it enabled yet :( )
[03:14:06] <rchern>	looks interesting enough to mention to my team, thanks
[03:15:00] <Mike||spam>	np
[03:18:21] <rchern>	the suggested short url implementation for those without root access doesn't seem to be working out so great
[03:18:41] <rchern>	i mean, it works, if you don't pay attention to the url format changing
[04:58:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  (10mattj)
[05:12:40] <SQLDb>	Hey, If I wanted to encrypt UDP traffic from MW to my repeater bot (I've already got a setup, using mcrypt), what would be the best way to go about modifying MW to do that? I was thinking maybe an extension, but, I've never really used hooks...
[05:13:39] <_mary_kate_>	what's a repeater bot?
[05:14:00] <SQLDb>	_mary_kate_: a RC bot, spits out recent changes on IRC, etc.
[05:14:48] <_mary_kate_>	easiest way is to modify the source.  but why encrypt data that's going to sent over an insecure, plaintext multicast network?
[05:15:57] <SQLDb>	_mary_kate_: because, it's actually for the PHP bot I have running on stable, and, a couple jerks figured out, you can send whatever to it, on a certain port, and, it'd spit it out on IRC... I've moved to gzipping the data, encrypting it, then, discarding any decrypted data without a valid gzip header
[05:16:56] <_mary_kate_>	ah, what you want is not encryption, but authentication
[05:17:52] <SQLDb>	yeah, probably, crypting it up and looking for valid gzip was the easiest way at the time :P
[05:18:04] <SQLDb>	what I *want* is to know where I put my smokes :P
[05:18:57] <_mary_kate_>	anyway you can probably just add the appropriate stuff to the irc stuff sending bit in the search
[05:52:43] <MattJohnston>	SQLDb: Wouldn't disallowing packets from all but certain IPs work?
[05:56:34] <Splarka>	SQLDb: wouldn't a nicotine patch work?
[05:59:56] <_mary_kate_>	MattJohnston: UDP is trivial to spoof
[06:00:31] <MattJohnston>	_mary_kate_: Although that relies on the others knowing where the real packets are coming from
[06:00:49] <_mary_kate_>	which isn't hard as i believe his bot is hosted on the toolserver
[06:00:50] <_mary_kate_>	or rather, the thing that sends stuff to the bot
[06:01:36] <CIA-6>	03nicdumz * r41686 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (4 files): 
[06:01:36] <CIA-6>	Adding a 'cr_path' field to store the common base path of the modifications ( e.g. /trunk/extensions/CodeReview for this commit )
[06:01:36] <CIA-6>	This field is displayed on the Revision List, for easier readability of commits :)
[06:06:16] <CIA-6>	03nicdumz * r41687 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevision.php: Removing useless line inserted during last commit
[07:09:46] <Nikerabbit>	nau
[08:09:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing protecting files without protecting image pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6579  (10public)
[08:21:42] <siebrand>	!parsertests
[08:21:42] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "parsertests".
[08:21:45] <siebrand>	what are the rerequisites for running parser tests, and how should they be run? (or where is this documented?)
[08:21:54] <siebrand>	!parsertest
[08:21:54] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "parsertest".
[08:22:11] <Splarka>	the bot isn't really good for guess/check...
[08:23:19] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[08:23:25] <Splarka>	(better to check the brain)
[08:23:36] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/%7Eamidaniel/botbrain.html
[08:24:00] <MZMcBride>	"There is a ParserTest framework in maintenance/ that tests parsing of wikitext. This is probably most suited for running tests of your own extension."
[08:25:02] <Splarka>	hey, mwbot is back *blink*
[08:25:31] *Splarka 	wonders if amidaniel will merge werdna's mwbot2 logs at http://epstone.net/~andrew/mwbot/logs/%23mediawiki/ into http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/
[08:28:00] <Martonos>	hi?
[08:28:10] <MZMcBride>	Hello.
[08:28:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sort order change for CheckUser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15542  summary (10public)
[08:28:41] <siebrand>	MZMcBride: yes, I got that far. Now I appear to be stuck at "v" running parserTests.php
[08:28:45] <siebrand>	MZMcBride: yes, I got that far. Now I appear to be stuck at "Error: 1146 Table 'mediawiki.parsertest_objectcache' doesn't exist (localhost)" running parserTests.php
[08:29:09] <MZMcBride>	Hmm. Dunno. Sorry.
[08:29:10] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41688 10/trunk/phase3/ (97 files in 2 dirs): Follow up on r41679. Rebuild message files and register new messages, with ignored for 'sitenotice_id'.
[08:29:24] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41689 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[08:29:24] <CIA-6>	* Mark DismissableSiteNotice OBSOLETE
[08:29:24] <CIA-6>	* Remove DismissableSiteNotice from Translate
[08:30:57] <Martonos>	can anybody speak german? i do have a question, which i maybe can't translate to some usefull english
[08:36:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908  (10public)
[08:38:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585  (10public)
[08:47:50] <Werdna>	hello all
[08:47:53] <siebrand>	Martonos: ask the question, we'll see what happens :)
[08:48:06] <Martonos>	ok
[08:48:11] <siebrand>	morning, Andrew.
[08:49:23] <Nikerabbit>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41405 throws backtrace
[08:49:50] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: yep
[08:49:56] <Martonos>	so, i need a kind of a "basic-articel" - a normal articel history depents an the versions, but  i need a extra "basic-articel" where the following articels depent on. wow, horrible english ^^
[08:50:25] <RoanKattouw>	What exactly do you mean with "depend on"?
[08:50:48] <Werdna>	hmm, mwbot2 has been supplanted by mwbot again..
[08:50:54] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[08:51:04] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait Werdna mwbot2 was yours right?
[08:51:07] <Werdna>	yeah
[08:51:09] <RoanKattouw>	I killed it, I'm sorry
[08:51:15] <Martonos>	this article is the base for the following and you go back to it with an one tab
[08:52:19] <RoanKattouw>	You're not making much sense. Could you try to explain in more detail? You can explain in German if you like, I'll understand
[08:52:36] <Martonos>	ok.
[08:53:16] *Splarka 	checks RoanKattouw's hunting tags... which are in order... but mwbots are not in season yet
[08:53:35] <Martonos>	es soll eine art basis-urartikel geben. der kunde legt diese an und die benutzer schreiben neue artikel auf der basis dieses urartikels, zu dem sie immer zurück gelangen können, mit hilfe eines extra reiters (tabs)
[08:53:46] <Danny_B>	shouldn't assigned bugs havew wikibugs-l in cc?
[08:54:04] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: No, wikibugs-l automatically receives *all* bugmail
[08:54:19] <Werdna>	RoanKattouw: ??
[08:54:33] <RoanKattouw>	Werdna: What?
[08:54:38] <Werdna>	09:05 < RoanKattouw> I killed it, I'm sorry
[08:54:49] <RoanKattouw>	Werdna: /msg mwbot2 @die
[08:54:54] <RoanKattouw>	Is what I did yesterday
[08:54:54] <Werdna>	ah.
[08:54:57] <Danny_B>	i barely remember rob church was shouting on many people because of bad assigning
[08:55:05] <Werdna>	Rob's long gone.
[08:55:25] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: Do you want the contents of this base article to be pre-loaded in the edit form when creating a new article?
[08:56:42] <Danny_B>	Werdna: i know, but still... do you remember what he was reclaiming by any chance?
[08:56:53] <Werdna>	??
[08:57:04] <Werdna>	09:07 < Danny_B> shouldn't assigned bugs havew wikibugs-l in cc?
[08:57:05] <Werdna>	No
[08:58:08] <Martonos>	yes that would be great. but it is more important that you can go back with an one tab over the article
[08:58:17] <Martonos>	like the history and version
[08:58:38] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: So what you really want is an extra tab that points to a specific article, right?
[08:59:01] <Martonos>	yes! that's right!
[08:59:41] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41690 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (35 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-10-05 10:45 CEST)
[08:59:50] <RoanKattouw>	OK. You can write an extension that adds such a tab; it's quite easy actually.
[09:00:25] <Martonos>	really? yeah, u saved my day!
[09:00:33] <Martonos>	great news, that it is possible
[09:00:40] <Danny_B>	hmm, mikelifeguard "assigned" the bug 6908 but he did not in fact
[09:00:52] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: I'm actually writing it right now :P
[09:01:05] <Martonos>	what? that is great!
[09:01:12] <Danny_B>	it remains assigned to wikibugs
[09:01:37] <Danny_B>	instead of him what he probably intended to do
[09:01:49] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41691 10/trunk/extensions/ (56 files in 51 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-10-05 10:45 CEST)
[09:02:32] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: Should that tab appear for all namespaces or just for the main namespaces?
[09:02:43] <RoanKattouw>	And should it appear at all times or only when editing?
[09:02:59] <Martonos>	namespaces? ehm
[09:03:05] <Martonos>	all time
[09:03:08] <Martonos>	please :)
[09:03:18] <RoanKattouw>	In all namespaces at all times?
[09:03:45] <Martonos>	sorry, i don't really know, what you mean with "namespaces"
[09:06:39] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: Well there's the main namespace, the Talk: namespace, User:, User talk:, etc.
[09:07:56] <Martonos>	and the namespace edit? 
[09:07:59] <RoanKattouw>	No
[09:08:02] <Martonos>	hm
[09:08:14] <RoanKattouw>	It's the part before the : in a page title
[09:08:48] <Martonos>	i have an clear installation of mediawiki, but it is in german. can u maybe take a screenshot?
[09:09:02] <RoanKattouw>	So Benutzer:Martonos is in the Benutzer namespace, but Hund is in the main namespace because there's no : in it
[09:09:20] <RoanKattouw>	And Diskussion:Hund (is that what they call it in German?) is in the Diskussion: namespace, etc.
[09:10:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (le.korrigan)
[09:11:26] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, I've written an extension that adds the tab at all times, but you can always change that. It's at http://rafb.net/p/f03Sf296.html
[09:11:55] <RoanKattouw>	Put that text in a file called Urartikel.php, put it in the extensions/Urartikel directory relative to the wiki root, and add the following lines to LocalSettings.php:
[09:12:07] <RoanKattouw>	require_once("$IP/extensions/Urartikel/Urartikel.php");
[09:12:17] <RoanKattouw>	$wgUrartikel = 'Title of the Urartikel goes here';
[09:12:29] <RoanKattouw>	And that should do it
[09:12:35] <Werdna>	hey Roan.
[09:12:40] <RoanKattouw>	Werdna: Yeah?
[09:12:44] <Werdna>	Roan, any way to delete a page with a blank title? :)
[09:13:09] <Werdna>	I thought it might be possible with a page id, but the delete module doesn't appear to accept those.
[09:13:10] <RoanKattouw>	Werdna: Does Title::newFromText('') return null?
[09:13:18] <Werdna>	I dunno
[09:13:20] <Werdna>	let me check
[09:13:31] <RoanKattouw>	If it does, the API won't let you delete it
[09:13:46] <Werdna>	yes.
[09:13:47] <Werdna>	damn.
[09:13:53] <Werdna>	> var_dump( Title::newFromText( '' ) );
[09:13:53] <Werdna>	NULL
[09:14:05] <Werdna>	I thought that might be a nice loophole.
[09:14:40] <Werdna>	James_F: Were we going to have MW cloaks, btw?
[09:14:53] <Martonos>	Roan, thank you very much! I will try to make it working.
[09:14:54] <James_F>	Yes.
[09:15:06] <James_F>	Werdna> But the system is apparently broken right now.
[09:15:11] <Werdna>	ah.
[09:15:23] <Martonos>	can we stay in email contact
[09:15:34] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: I forgot one last step: you have to create the [[MediaWiki:Urartikel]] page and put the text "Urartikel" in it. That text will be displayed on the tab
[09:15:38] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: roan.kattouw@home.nl
[09:16:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:16:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image redirects from the shared repo don't show " redirected from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14117  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:16:44] <Martonos>	maybe there is an problem, can i have more "urartikel" or is this just for one?
[09:16:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:16:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images without deleting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14928  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:17:04] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: This extension allows for just one, but I could change it to allow multiple if you like
[09:17:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images not subject to Bad image list rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15008  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:17:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image move to existing URL shows "Object" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15114  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Uploading over moved images spams upload history with duplicates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15574  (10maxsem.wiki)
[09:17:25] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: But that would add a lot of tabs :P perhaps linking the tab to a list of Urartikel is better
[09:17:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10public)
[09:17:37] <RoanKattouw>	You could also add links in the sidebar, you know
[09:17:40] <RoanKattouw>	!sidebar | Martonos
[09:17:40] --mwbot--	Martonos: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[09:18:02] <Martonos>	mwbot, its not in the sidebar
[09:18:19] <Martonos>	fuck i have to go right now
[09:18:23] <MZMcBride>	Heh. 
[09:18:24] <RoanKattouw>	Martonos: I know, but the sidebar may be a nice alternative to having a million tabs
[09:18:26] <Martonos>	i will be back in the evening
[09:18:48] <Martonos>	make sense ^
[09:18:48] <Martonos>	^^
[09:20:00] <Martonos>	roan, i will send u an email at this evening - with a nice drawing of what i want :) so u can better understand what i mean 
[09:20:06] <Martonos>	have to go to aachen now
[09:20:15] <Roux_>	Hi!
[09:20:16] <CIA-6>	03nikerabbit * r41692 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageChecks.php: * Really fix FreeCol checks
[09:21:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add bugmonday keyword - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15843 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (roan.kattouw)
[09:27:49] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: per deletion by page ID: how about move as well (so that bad titles can be fixed, such as new namespace/interwiki/interlang conflicts with existing page titles, and illegal characters in page titles)
[09:27:57] <Nikerabbit>	Splarkal
[09:28:09] <Splarka>	(probably protect/edit/undelete aren't needed, but move/delete = good ^_^)
[09:28:13] <Splarka>	rar Nike?
[09:28:18] <Nikerabbit>	rör
[09:28:21] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka, Nikerabbit: Good idea, please file a bug
[09:28:31] <Splarka>	not it!
[09:28:35] *Splarka 	hands bug to Nikerabbit
[09:28:43] <Werdna>	RoanKattouw: ahem/
[09:28:49] <RoanKattouw>	I'll probably get to it on API Bug Tuesday
[09:28:57] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[09:29:09] <RoanKattouw>	(I'm home late on Mondays)
[09:30:54] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[09:32:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) [dismiss] shown for empty sitenotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15844 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (roan.kattouw)
[09:36:00] <CIA-6>	03catrope * r41693 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryAllpages.php): (bug 15767) API: apfilterlanglinks returns duplicate results
[09:36:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  allpages with filterlanglinks can return multiple references to the same page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15767  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:38:35] <RoanKattouw>	Werdna, Nikerabbit: Oh, of course. Werdna asked for it
[09:38:46] <RoanKattouw>	Well let Werdna file it then, he brought it up :P
[09:40:01] <MZMcBride>	I'll do it.
[09:42:07] <Splarka>	any other api actions that might need id?
[09:42:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API should allow moves / deletes using pageid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15845 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (public)
[09:42:37] <MZMcBride>	We have Default CCs now?
[09:42:45] <RoanKattouw>	The API does
[09:42:55] <MZMcBride>	Ahh.
[09:43:18] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) API should allow moves / deletes using pageid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15845  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:44:07] <RoanKattouw>	Actually there aren't that many components that have a default assignee, but I'm pretty sure the API is the only one to have default CCs. Any component can get one, though
[09:59:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  summary (10danny.b)
[10:46:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Categories leaking from older revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15846 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (beau)
[10:46:36] *MZMcBride 	blinks.
[10:53:18] <whiles_>	Can anybody help me with this template: http://www.betashare.it/latin/Template:Raccolta ? I updated mediawiki and now it doesn't work...
[10:53:32] <whiles_>	Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "" 
[10:56:18] <Nikerabbit>	whiles_: remove the character?
[10:57:48] <whiles_>	what char ?
[11:02:34] <whiles_>	Nikerabbit: ?
[11:05:16] <Nikerabbit>	whiles_: appears to be u+007F
[11:05:54] <whiles_>	But before the update this template worked.
[11:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:WantedFiles does not look on shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15688  minor->normal; summary; +comment (10siebrand)
[11:09:39] <whiles_>	007F is the unicode char "delete"
[11:15:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Editing pages with multiple headers of the same name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15847 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (wpedzich)
[11:16:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editing pages with multiple headers of the same name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15847  (10wpedzich)
[11:20:03] <Werdna>	dammit, where's splarka when you need him?
[11:21:49] <due>	Dead, probably.
[11:22:52] <Werdna>	sweet.
[11:22:58] <Werdna>	anybody know any chars that will never appear in json>
[11:25:28] <lch>	<Werdna> dammit, where's splarka when you need him? <== word
[11:36:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page for recent changes in unwatched articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13063  (10danny.b)
[11:38:34] <hipekhopPL>	hi
[11:38:55] <hipekhopPL>	a have a small problem ;)
[11:39:53] <hipekhopPL>	i will delete links "Edit" next to every (i cant good talk english- sorry;P ) ==text==
[11:42:06] <hipekhopPL>	next to headline in my article- i have links "Edit". Anybody can help and say- how can I delete that?
[11:47:37] <lch>	hipekhopPL, you can't
[11:50:05] <hipekhopPL>	:/
[11:50:18] <hipekhopPL>	ok, thanks Ich...
[11:50:39] <Werdna>	sure you can
[11:50:41] <Werdna>	using site CSS
[11:51:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) escapeshellcmd does not work properly with php security update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14944  +comment (10daniel)
[11:51:44] <hipekhopPL>	hmmm...
[11:52:13] <hipekhopPL>	ok, i search about that, thanks Werdna ;)
[11:54:11] <ahhh>	How do you use GD with mediawiki?
[11:55:49] <lch>	well, that doesn't remove them, it only makes them invisible :)
[11:57:25] *ahhh 	confussed
[12:03:32] <ahhh>	grrr
[12:03:35] <Duesentrieb>	ahhh: tell it not to use ImageMagick. then it will use GD.
[12:03:40] <Duesentrieb>	but why would you do that?
[12:03:53] <Duesentrieb>	!wg UseImageMagick
[12:03:53] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseImageMagick
[12:04:02] <ahhh>	because imagemagick ins't a option right now
[12:04:18] <Duesentrieb>	if it's not there, the installer should disable it automatically
[12:06:25] <ahhh>	then gd can resize?
[12:06:44] <lch>	sure, gd can do everything
[12:07:10] <lch>	it's just probably a bit slower and might give results that don't look so good
[12:09:09] <ahhh>	ok
[12:10:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:WantedFiles does not look on shared repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15688  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[12:21:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special pages not being updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15848 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (russblau)
[12:56:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Trying to move a page onto an interwiki page produces an inappropriate error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15849 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (happy_melon)
[13:16:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Trying to move a page onto an interwiki page produces an inappropriate error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15849  +comment (10Platonides)
[13:16:45] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[13:45:41] <Neur0n_>	hi everybody there!
[13:46:04] <Neur0n_>	I am having a hard time with the TeX capability of mediawiki
[13:46:50] <Neur0n_>	if I set $wgUseTex to true I got the following message
[13:47:04] <Neur0n_>	http://neurohost.org/index.php/Electrophysiology:Patch_clamp
[13:47:17] <Neur0n_>	does anybody of you have an idea about that?
[13:49:20] <Neur0n_>	it has to do with the mysql 
[13:53:40] <Platonides>	you have two tables with different collations
[13:54:02] <Platonides>	so the comparison fails
[13:54:22] <Neur0n_>	and that means...
[13:54:41] <Neur0n_>	I am just checking the table math in mysql
[13:55:10] <Neur0n_>	but I am not sure 
[13:55:27] <Platonides>	one table is in utf8 and the other in latin1
[13:55:57] <Filnik>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Image%3AOne.png&to=&namespace=0 ← why doesn't load automatically the image namespace as usual?
[13:56:04] <Filnik>	*doesn't it
[13:56:30] <Platonides>	bacause you added namespace=0 ?
[13:56:33] <Neur0n_>	the table math is in latin1_swedish_ci
[13:56:38] <Platonides>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Image%3AOne.png works
[13:56:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Interwiki search won' t work when cross-project and cross-language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15850 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (kooliamdabest)
[13:56:54] <Platonides>	Neur0n_, what about the other mediawiki tables?
[13:56:56] <Neur0n_>	should I change to utf8?
[13:57:01] <Platonides>	are they using the utf8 schema?
[13:57:04] <Neur0n_>	I will have a look
[13:57:24] <Filnik>	Platonides: uhmmmm.. thanks, now I check what pywikipediabot does as standard..
[13:57:38] <Neur0n_>	the same latin_swedish
[13:57:50] <Neur0n_>	swedish! I wonder why??
[13:57:52] <Platonides>	some table must be utf8 to give that error...
[13:58:19] <Platonides>	no problem, Filnik 
[13:58:30] <Neur0n_>	but shouldn't I change everything to utf8?
[13:58:33] <Filnik>	:)
[13:58:59] <Platonides>	did you look at those edit lists?
[13:59:23] <Neur0n_>	nop
[14:00:10] <Platonides>	Neur0n_, mediawiki can perfectly work with the tables in latin1
[14:00:36] <Neur0n_>	sure, but I did not change the locale of the tables
[14:01:20] <Neur0n_>	I only wanted to enable my Tex, and now this problem appeared
[14:01:39] <Platonides>	did you upgrade mysql?
[14:01:44] <Neur0n_>	nop
[14:01:49] <Neur0n_>	I upgrade the site yesterday
[14:02:00] <Neur0n_>	from 1.12 to 1.13
[14:02:13] <Neur0n_>	everything was fine, except for the LaTeX :S
[14:02:33] <Neur0n_>	if I enable TeX the error in mysql appears
[14:03:57] <Platonides>	how did you update?
[14:04:30] <Neur0n_>	I simply moved the new version via FTP
[14:04:42] <Neur0n_>	and installed the wiki accessing the old database
[14:05:04] <Platonides>	"installed the wiki accessing the old database" ?
[14:05:34] <Neur0n_>	run the installation via the web page
[14:05:42] <Neur0n_>	and I gave the values of my old database
[14:06:09] <Platonides>	when running the install, did you have utf8 selected?
[14:06:20] <Neur0n_>	probably
[14:06:24] <Neur0n_>	I am not sure
[14:06:40] <Neur0n_>	I did know that my database was is schwedish!!!
[14:06:46] <Platonides>	that may have produced it
[14:06:49] <Neur0n_>	:S
[14:06:50] <Neur0n_>	sure
[14:06:51] <Platonides>	xDD
[14:07:05] <Neur0n_>	can I change the whole database to have utf8?
[14:07:19] <Platonides>	binary latin1 has been the format used by mediawiki for a long time
[14:07:24] <Platonides>	utf8 support is new
[14:07:26] <Platonides>	yes, you can
[14:07:40] <Neur0n_>	via phpmyadmin?
[14:07:53] <Platonides>	covnersion may be tricky
[14:08:09] <Neur0n_>	uff,
[14:08:26] <Platonides>	what value do you have for $wgDBmysql5 in localsettings?
[14:08:33] <Neur0n_>	let me see
[14:09:24] <Neur0n_>	$wgDBmysql5 = true;
[14:09:30] <DevA>	what sort of channel is here?
[14:09:31] <Platonides>	set it to false
[14:09:35] <Neur0n_>	ok
[14:09:39] <Platonides>	and see if it now works
[14:09:54] <DevA>	=/
[14:09:58] <Platonides>	DevA, a channel about mediawiki
[14:10:06] <Neur0n_>	GREAT!!!
[14:10:07] <Platonides>	what had you expected?
[14:10:09] <Neur0n_>	it works!!!
[14:10:13] <Platonides>	:) :)
[14:10:20] <DevA>	what's mediawiki?
[14:10:25] <Neur0n_>	Platonides, THANK YOU !!!!!!
[14:10:48] <DevA>	you're welcome,neuron..
[14:10:53] <DevA>	don't mention it
[14:10:59] <DevA>	=D
[14:12:48] <Neur0n_>	oh my God, I was so afraid!!!
[14:13:15] <Platonides>	DevA, the software that powers wikipedia
[14:13:31] <DevA>	oh my goat,I'm so happy
[14:13:40] <DevA>	ah,sou ka na..
[14:13:52] <DevA>	wakarimashita,platonides-san
[14:14:42] <Platonides>	DevA, I don't understand japanese...
[14:15:08] <DevA>	cool then..
[14:44:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If the install exists $wgDBmysql5 should be set based on the existing collation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15851 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (Platonides)
[14:44:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MySQL 5.0 issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3738  (10Platonides)
[15:07:00] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r41695 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SGM_QueryPrinter.php: Handled renamed function
[15:07:00] <CIA-6>	03yaron * r41694 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGoogleMaps/SemanticGoogleMaps.php: Fixed PHP bug, and moved most functions into a new class, 'SGMUtils'
[15:07:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:12:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images not subject to Bad image list rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15008  (10Platonides)
[15:12:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Platonides)
[15:40:29] <JaVaSan>	Hi, is there any way to disable any transclusion?
[15:42:33] <Alexfusco5>	JaVaSan: no, there isn't
[15:42:56] <JaVaSan>	Alexfusco5, ty
[15:43:40] <Alexfusco5>	np
[15:48:27] <Xeph>	Hi there, i've got a question related to the mediawiki-syntax. You may know what i'm trying to do by reading following code: <ref name="foo">source</ref> <ref group="remark">remark verified by foo<ref name="foo" /></ref> Well, that doesnt work, because of "missing </ref>". Hm, i now doubt if it's a good idea at all, but I'd like to know if it's somehow possible anyway.
[15:49:41] <Alexfusco5>	Xeph: switch the order on <ref name="foo"> and </ref>
[15:50:22] <Xeph>	Ehm... mom, 'll try but imho thats not what i want
[15:50:39] <Alexfusco5>	oh
[15:51:31] <Alexfusco5>	I'm not sure then
[15:51:50] <Xeph>	I want a ref to a remark... <remark>Hey, i'm a remark. The pope is dead¹²³</remark>
[15:52:30] <Alexfusco5>	I don't know then, sorry
[15:54:22] <guillom>	wow
[15:54:29] <guillom>	who said image renaming worked?
[15:54:38] <guillom>	I experienced some weirdness on testwiki :)
[15:55:11] <guillom>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Pic1.jpg&action=history , http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pic1.jpg , http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rotated_image.jpg
[15:56:36] <guillom>	or, if it's a feature, it's quite counter-intuitive
[16:21:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update wikimania.wikimedia.org to point to Wikimania 2009 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15852 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (cbrown1023)
[16:21:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10mikelifeguard)
[16:26:32] <Sean_Colombo>	i get errors when trying to unzip the 1.13.2 patch... has anyone experienced something similar?
[16:36:36] <AzaTht>	FireGPG-debug: [cgmail.listenerLoad][Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMLocation.host]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: XPCSafeJSObjectWrapper.cpp :: anonymous :: line 445"  data: no]
[16:36:36] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/mwsuggest.js?179
[16:36:36] <AzaTht>	Line 841
[16:40:06] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Autologin doesn't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14775  +comment (10heuler06)
[16:44:21] <BjornW>	Hi, I've changed my mediawiki's user register form with additional fields, but I don't know where the data from the fields is processed within the mediawiki application. I've looked at other extension, but I could really use some help.
[16:58:42] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41696 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Update link for mediawiki-announce to use https
[17:08:45] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41697 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeRepoListView.php CodeReview.i18n.php): Fix message collision
[17:13:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Spurious RSS updates for non-existant pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15853 normal; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (chaos)
[17:27:29] <Sean_Colombo>	is there a Trac or something similar where I could find out just which files changed between 1.13.1 and 1.13.2?
[17:30:54] <Skizzerz>	Sean_Colombo: I believe there are patches available
[17:31:17] <Sean_Colombo>	Skizzerz: I couldn't un-gzip the patches for some reason
[17:31:28] <whiles_>	Hi
[17:31:51] <whiles_>	How this query can be translated in sql: http://www.betashare.it/nopaste.php?id=10g ?
[17:32:53] <whiles_>	Ah it is postgresql... No problem so.
[17:35:15] <Skizzerz>	strange, I can un gzip them fine
[17:35:22] <Sean_Colombo>	:(
[17:35:26] <Sean_Colombo>	I'll try again a different way
[17:35:53] <Skizzerz>	remember, it's only a gz, not a tar.gz
[17:36:55] <Sean_Colombo>	for some reason Chrome is downloading it as a .gz.gz
[17:36:59] <Sean_Colombo>	i'll try FF
[17:39:57] <Sean_Colombo>	that let me un-gzip it fine, but now i have some big "patch file" and i don't know what to do with that...
[17:40:16] <Sean_Colombo>	is there a program you run to apply the patch?  (i was kind of expecting just a bunch of files :/)
[17:46:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Modern skin RTL support is bugous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15831  (10huji.huji)
[17:46:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745  (10huji.huji)
[17:46:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10huji.huji)
[17:47:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lazy loading and passing by reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15854 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Keisial)
[17:47:26] <Sean_Colombo>	Skizzerz: I looked at the text in the patch file... interesting... but how does one apply a patch file?
[17:47:50] <Sean_Colombo>	Skizzerz: or should I just look at the names of changed files and do it myself?
[17:48:03] <Skizzerz>	there should be a program that does it for you
[17:48:09] <Skizzerz>	what os do you use?
[17:49:27] <Skizzerz>	Sean_Colombo: what os do you use?
[17:51:57] <Skizzerz>	bah, anyway... if you're on a *nix system, use the patch command
[17:52:29] <Skizzerz>	if you're on windows, find a windows util that emulates the patch command
[17:52:42] <Reedy>	Tortoise SVN ftw
[17:52:55] <Reedy>	that'll allow you to apply the patch, even without a svn co, IIRC
[17:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745  (10danny.b)
[17:53:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Math rendering poor in RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8002  (10danny.b)
[17:54:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spurious RSS updates for non-existant pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15853  (10danny.b)
[17:54:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646  (10danny.b)
[17:55:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update wikimania.wikimedia.org to point to Wikimania 2009 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15852   +easy +shell (10danny.b)
[17:56:04] <Hojjat>	How can I fix inconsistent new lines in Linux?
[17:56:51] *Hojjat 	sighs
[17:57:24] <Sean_Colombo>	Skizzers: sorry, was afk... I use CentOS
[17:57:44] <Sean_Colombo>	haha, "patch" command... should have figured :)  there's a command for everything
[17:59:12] <Reedy>	Or if there isnt, just install it ;)
[17:59:19] <Sean_Colombo>	:)
[17:59:49] <Reedy>	patch -p0 -i /path/to/patch.patch
[17:59:56] <Reedy>	should be all you need :)
[18:00:36] <Reedy>	You may need to FaR the directories (what i do to make life easier, ie change mediawiki-1.13.2 --> wiki)
[18:00:57] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[18:02:27] <CIA-6>	03huji * r41698 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/Modern.php skins/modern/rtl.css): (bug 15831) Modern skin RTL support is bugous
[18:03:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Modern skin RTL support is bugous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15831  +comment (10huji.huji)
[18:11:20] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41699 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: 
[18:11:20] <CIA-6>	* Tweak diff cache usage
[18:11:20] <CIA-6>	* Minor diff query fix and refactoring to make it less cryptic
[18:11:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) no list of changed templates/images in diff on ruwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15696  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:12:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ProtectedPages displays "&lt;restriction-level-&gt;" as a restriction level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15832  +comment (10huji.huji)
[18:12:54] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[18:13:01] <Nikerabbit>	when does bugmonday officially start?
[18:15:24] <Sean_Colombo>	Nikerabbit: what is bugmonday?   Do ppl just take a whole day and do nothing but fix bugs?
[18:16:58] <Nikerabbit>	everybody in their own ways yes
[18:17:09] <Splarka>	well, is 7am in New Zealand, and 5am in Sydney, on Monday
[18:17:15] <Nikerabbit>	cool
[18:17:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: Change worker.py to use xml log dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15649  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:17:19] <Nikerabbit>	so it has started already
[18:17:33] <Sean_Colombo>	ah, cookl
[18:17:34] <Sean_Colombo>	*cool\
[18:17:38] <Splarka>	if you can wake Tim oe Werdna, then it starts ^_^
[18:17:39] <Danny_B>	ism't that measured by utc?
[18:17:43] <Splarka>	^or
[18:17:51] <Sean_Colombo>	I should start contributing to MW core :-/ hmm
[18:17:55] <Nikerabbit>	Danny_B: "in any timezone" was in the mail :)
[18:18:53] <Sean_Colombo>	how does one contribute to MW anyway?  Just send changed files to someone w/SVN access?
[18:20:41] <Danny_B>	wow! 48hrs long day, what a unicate!
[18:21:22] <Splarka>	40h40m40s left
[18:22:15] <Wuzur|rhn>	Sean_Colombo: Or file a bug
[18:22:30] <Wuzur|rhn>	(after a few commits you get svn access)
[18:22:38] <Sean_Colombo>	neato
[18:23:11] <Sean_Colombo>	i honestly run into very few bugs in the core code... MW is pretty roctacular
[18:23:15] <Sean_Colombo>	*rocktacular
[18:24:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: AllPages gives a database error for empty namespaces on PostgreSQL-based installations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15836  +comment (10huji.huji)
[18:31:14] *Hojjat 	thinks channel topic should reflect bug day
[18:32:07] <Nikerabbit>	Hojjat: we can start anyway!
[18:37:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:43:42] <Rich_Morin>	I'd like to find some info on putting CSS into MW pages.  All I see is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[18:44:14] <Splarka>	for each skin, there is also MediaWiki:skinname.css
[18:44:20] <Splarka>	for example: MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[18:45:06] <Splarka>	and you can also enable $wgAllowUserCss to allow users to add custom css to their own login
[18:45:14] <Rich_Morin>	OK, but what if I just want to put some CSS into a single page (or a set of pages, via a template)?
[18:45:31] <Splarka>	you can't add the <style> via template
[18:45:42] <Splarka>	but you can restrict css to certian pages
[18:45:56] <Splarka>	or make wrapping divs for the appropriate pages with a parent class
[18:46:03] <Splarka>	like, lets say you want links to be green
[18:46:22] <Splarka>	<div class="greenlinks"> page content [[with]] [[links]] </div>
[18:46:39] <Splarka>	in Common.css: div.greenlinks a {color:#00ff00;}
[18:46:54] <Splarka>	or for a specific page, like say [[Main_Page]]:
[18:46:55] <Sean_Colombo>	hmmm... there isn't supposed to be an images/images directory in MW is there?
[18:47:04] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page a {color:#00ff00;}
[18:47:05] <Sean_Colombo>	this looks like i messed up an rsync and have a dup
[18:47:41] <Rich_Morin>	Splarka: Can I use some sort of wildcard to affect alll pages whose names start with a given string?
[18:47:57] <Splarka>	mmm... well, not supported in IE
[18:48:07] <Splarka>	would need to use CSS3
[18:48:23] <Splarka>	body[class^="Foo"]
[18:48:26] <Rich_Morin>	too bad
[18:48:45] <Splarka>	how many pages? or is it open-ended?
[18:48:54] <Rich_Morin>	about 200
[18:48:56] <Splarka>	you can do whole namespaces easily... body.ns-1 etc
[18:49:28] <Splarka>	or install an extension allowing per-page <style>
[18:50:22] <Splarka>	or use javascript... (icky)
[18:51:00] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName.indexOf('Foo') == 0) importStylesheet('MediaWiki:Common.css/Foo.css')
[18:51:07] <Rich_Morin>	I could also wrap the entire page content in a div, then key on that in common.css
[18:51:11] <Splarka>	^in MediaWiki:Common.js
[18:51:18] *Splarka 	nods
[18:51:52] <Splarka>	(importStyleSheet needs 1.12 or 1.13, bit new)
[18:52:33] <Sean_Colombo>	before i rm -rf my /images/images directory... just want to double-check that that's not a real dir (and is prob. just a dup)
[18:52:38] <Sean_Colombo>	anyone know?
[18:52:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  +comment (10vasilvv)
[18:52:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image redirects from the shared repo don't show " redirected from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14117  (10vasilvv)
[18:53:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images without deleting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14928  (10vasilvv)
[18:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect images not subject to Bad image list rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15008  (10vasilvv)
[18:53:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10raimond.spekking)
[18:56:25] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41700 10/trunk/extensions/Oversight/hidden.sql: Add KEY (hidden_user_text,hidden_timestamp) index for large wikis for bug 15652
[19:00:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image thumbnail generator adding large amounts of artefacts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15488  +comment (10sean)
[19:00:47] <Sean_Colombo>	yay!  my first bug-mod :)
[19:01:24] <Sean_Colombo>	I'm SOOOOOO deleting that image directory
[19:01:32] <Sean_Colombo>	hope i didn't need it!
[19:07:31] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41701 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: Now why would one remove eol-style:native?
[19:12:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:13:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	Anyone care to look at that patch? ^
[19:13:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	It's very simple, obviously, since I wrote it :)
[19:13:27] <MaxSem>	why does monobook load chick/main.css ???
[19:13:40] <Danny_B>	does it?
[19:13:48] <Danny_B>	that sounds weird
[19:13:54] <Danny_B>	i never noticed that
[19:14:13] <Splarka>	it does, yes
[19:14:15] <MaxSem>	I noticed that only after looking in YSlow
[19:14:17] <Splarka>	but check closely
[19:14:34] <Splarka>	<link rel="stylesheet" href="/skins-1.5/chick/main.css?179" type="text/css" media="handheld" />
[19:14:43] <Splarka>	<link rel="stylesheet" href="/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css?179" type="text/css" media="screen" />
[19:14:49] <Splarka>	one of these things is not like the others...
[19:14:53] <Splarka>	first to spot it gets a cookie
[19:15:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	or Splarka could do it, I imagine. (look at the patch I just wrote) :D
[19:15:44] <Splarka>	not a committer, don't know php ^_^
[19:15:54] <Splarka>	and morally object to more Special pages
[19:15:56] <Mike_lifeguard>	me neither :D
[19:17:51] *Splarka 	pokles MaxSem
[19:18:13] <MaxSem>	so what is the point to use a big-screen skin for handheld devices?
[19:19:57] <Splarka>	big-screen? it is single column and scales down quite nice
[19:20:37] <Splarka>	(of course, page content can screw that up, like big infoboxes and imags)
[19:21:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  (10nospam)
[19:22:05] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41702 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (3 files): Minor code cleanup
[19:29:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Database error: function CONCAT not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15855 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (dan)
[19:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database error: function CONCAT not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15855  (10N/A)
[19:31:02] <Nikerabbit>	wtf is hy000?
[19:31:39] <Nikerabbit>	and why it doesn't display the real error number
[19:32:12] <Sean_Colombo>	Nikerabbit: where are you seeing hy000?
[19:32:25] <Nikerabbit>	Sean_Colombo: #15855
[19:34:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lazy loading and passing by reference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15854  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:37:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  +comment (10mattj)
[19:40:11] <Premia>	hello, i would like to ask how to implement pconnect to mediawiki?
[19:42:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Empty diffs appear as long columns of text when viewed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13875  +comment (10nospam)
[19:43:46] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41703 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (124 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-10-05 21:29 CEST)
[19:44:35] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41704 10/trunk/extensions/ (26 files in 26 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-10-05 21:29 CEST)
[19:44:53] <ialex>	Premia: persistant connection to database?
[19:45:07] <Premia>	yes ialex
[19:45:31] <Sean_Colombo>	Premia: that's the default behavior i think
[19:45:36] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41705 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[19:45:44] <Sean_Colombo>	Premia: or are YOU trying to connect to the database in your extension code or something?
[19:46:43] <Premia>	i have several extensions installed. could they cause not to persistent connect?
[19:48:27] <Premia>	sean_colombo
[19:49:48] <ialex>	Premia: try to addd this at the end of your LocalSettings.php: http://rafb.net/p/PaT9Au54.html
[19:49:51] <ialex>	oops
[19:50:58] <ialex>	http://rafb.net/p/OLni5T89.html is better
[19:52:06] <Premia>	ialex: thank you. i am adding it to my LocalSettings
[19:54:02] <CIA-6>	03skizzerz * r41706 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: 
[19:54:02] <CIA-6>	* fixing bugs with DismissableSitenotice merge:
[19:54:02] <CIA-6>	** [dismiss] link does not show up if sitenotice is blank
[19:54:02] <CIA-6>	** [dismiss] link is in line with notice instead of under
[19:55:47] <Premia>	ialex: it causes http 500 error
[19:56:27] <ialex>	Premia: what kind of 500?
[19:56:37] <Premia>	internal server error
[19:56:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Special page: Random page in category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15824  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:59:51] <ialex>	Premia: no more specific information?
[20:01:47] <Premia>	what kind of specific information
[20:01:52] <Premia>	ialex
[20:02:14] <ialex>	Premia: check the error log
[20:05:25] <Premia>	ialex: not found or unable to stat
[20:05:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Lazy loading and passing by reference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15854  +comment (10Keisial)
[20:08:26] *AaronSchulz 	is disappointed at the Eagles game
[20:09:33] *Alexfusco5 	is very happy with the Giants game
[20:13:49] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41709 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for IM Status
[20:14:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database error: function CONCAT not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15855  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:14:18] *siebrand 	pokes CIA-6 as he missed a few.
[20:14:33] <AaronSchulz>	wow, the Sea Hawks got creamed
[20:15:39] <Premia>	ialex: now it works. sorry, i pasted wrong into LocalSettings
[20:15:54] <ialex>	Premia: hehe :)
[20:16:20] <Premia>	ialex: :-)
[20:18:30] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Add Revision Diff functionality to API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13209  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:22:51] <Reedy>	Whats bug day?
[20:23:05] <Reedy>	Day we can bug brion? or bug fixin day?
[20:25:16] <MinuteElectron>	the latter
[20:26:06] <Reedy>	lol
[20:27:20] <Alexfusco5>	Reedy: every day is bug brion day :D
[20:27:36] <CIA-6>	03skizzerz * r41710 10/trunk/phase3/ (CREDITS RELEASE-NOTES includes/parser/Parser.php): * integrate Poem extension into core (patch by Nathaniel Herman)
[20:27:47] <Reedy>	Alexfusco5, oh yeah :P
[20:39:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:42:20] <Simetrical>	What's this recent fetish for incorporating everything into core about?
[20:44:56] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/List_of_extensions_to_be_merged_to_the_core
[20:45:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing protecting files without protecting image pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6579  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:46:04] <Simetrical>	Poem seems way too specialized.
[20:46:30] <Splarka>	"no disadvantages"
[20:46:49] <Simetrical>	There would be "no disadvantages", by that logic, to making *every* extension part of core.
[20:47:02] <Splarka>	yep, sounds good
[20:47:05] <Splarka>	open a bug
[20:47:22] <Simetrical>	"SyntaxHighlight GeSHi — external dependency" <-- You know, we could just package GeSHi with MediaWiki.
[20:47:26] <Simetrical>	But that's also too specialized.
[20:47:50] <Simetrical>	Bug, feh, I don't need no stinking bugs.
[20:48:13] <Simetrical>	Splarka, speaking of bugs, do you know if there's a bug open for Firefox refusing to download scripts in parallel?
[20:48:23] <Simetrical>	Apparently IE8 is fixing that, but other browsers are refusing to do so.
[20:48:28] <Simetrical>	(so far)
[20:49:21] <Simetrical>	Oh, wait, WebKit too?
[20:50:08] <Simetrical>	http://webkit.org/blog/166/optimizing-page-loading-in-web-browser/
[20:51:59] <Splarka>	"fixing" it by having them load and execute in any order it wants?
[20:52:05] *Splarka 	thinks FF has the feature, and IE the bug
[20:52:50] <Simetrical>	No, they load all at once but still execute in order.
[20:52:56] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: I feel like I started the extension merging, having done newuserlog
[20:53:01] <Simetrical>	If a page has 10 <script>s it's insane to serialize their loading.
[20:53:11] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, Newuserlog probably makes sense . . . probably.
[20:53:15] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[20:53:17] <Splarka>	> Any script can call document.write()   ugh.... hate
[20:53:26] <AaronSchulz>	after that, people starting caring about that list
[20:53:32] <Simetrical>	Splarka, see the pretty charts in my link.  It should cause no bugs, but it's a huge performance saving for some pages.
[20:53:42] <Splarka>	hmm, where was I...
[20:53:51] <Splarka>	new york times maybe? 37 <script>
[20:54:09] <Simetrical>	They used the Wall Street Journal.
[20:54:40] *Splarka 	is on dialup so doesn't care about people with cable whining about 5 second page loads
[20:55:37] <Splarka>	AaronSchulz: so are you taking the blame, or only the credit?
[21:15:55] <devnet>	so what would cause mod_rewrite to write the url different (e.g. Main_Page) but mediawiki to NOT recognize that?
[21:20:23] <Duesentrieb>	devnet: what do you mean by "recognize"?
[21:20:31] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki shouldn't even notice that.
[21:20:36] <devnet>	agreed
[21:20:46] <devnet>	for example, my webserver rewrites to Main_Page
[21:20:54] <devnet>	but 404's
[21:21:24] <Duesentrieb>	you usually don't "rewrite to Main_Page". that doesn't make much sense.
[21:21:29] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems
[21:21:29] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[21:21:55] <Duesentrieb>	if you see a 404, well, then the webserver doesn't know what to do with that path.
[21:21:59] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki never gets called
[21:22:12] <Skizzerz_Away>	point 5 can be false in some instances :P
[21:22:12] <devnet>	this is working on 1.6 version
[21:22:20] <devnet>	I upgrade and it breaks
[21:22:41] <devnet>	http://oldwiki.mypclinuxos.com
[21:22:46] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: yes, but that's very rare in the age of vhosts
[21:22:56] <devnet>	http://docs.pclinuxos.com
[21:23:07] <Skizzerz_Away>	windows :P
[21:23:18] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: huh?
[21:23:26] <Duesentrieb>	devnet: perhaps it has nothing to do with rewrites? but with your wgArticlePath setting?
[21:23:27] <Skizzerz_Away>	windows sucks at vhosts
[21:23:45] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: why would it make a difference?
[21:24:00] <Skizzerz_Away>	document root is in a different directory than your wiki
[21:24:04] <devnet>	lol
[21:24:07] <devnet>	you gotta be kidding me
[21:24:10] <devnet>	I left out RewriteEngine On 
[21:24:15] *devnet 	slaps his forehead 
[21:24:33] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: what does that have to do with windows? or vhosts?
[21:24:42] <Skizzerz_Away>	... nvm
[21:26:10] <devnet>	Duesentrieb: thansk for the help lol...I'm retarded
[21:26:13] *devnet 	drools on himself
[21:28:27] <CIA-6>	03skizzerz * r41711 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[21:28:27] <CIA-6>	* fixing DismissSiteNotice so that it works properly with javascript-disabled browsers
[21:28:27] <CIA-6>	* make DismissSiteNotice honor cookie configuration variables
[21:28:27] <CIA-6>	* adding missing name to CREDITS
[21:31:37] <Alexfusco5>	Skizzerz_Away: is dismiss now core?
[21:31:43] <Skizzerz_Away>	yes
[21:31:47] <Alexfusco5>	thanks
[21:48:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Empty diffs appear as long columns of text when viewed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13875  (10thecentercannothold)
[21:55:08] <Platonides>	where are the external storage classes defined? :S
[21:56:47] <Simetrical>	Use grep or look in includes/AutoLoader.php.
[21:58:08] <Platonides>	they seem to be at ExternalStore*
[21:58:13] <Platonides>	i was looking into the folders
[21:59:20] <Platonides>	they work with urls...
[23:00:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ProtectedPages displays "&lt;restriction-level-&gt;" as a restriction level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15832  (10zzuuzz)
[23:20:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) plcontinue is the same as in the request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15856 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (egil)
[23:23:46] <lch>	How can I remove the Main_Page headline, like on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ?
[23:24:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ProtectedPages displays "&lt;restriction-level-&gt;" as a restriction level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15832  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:27:52] <Splarka>	lch: is your main page called Main_Page exactly?
[23:28:00] <lch>	yes
[23:28:01] <Splarka>	if so, see the top bits at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[23:28:11] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page
[23:28:38] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading {display: none !important;}   for example
[23:29:00] <lch>	thanks
[23:29:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:ProtectedPages displays "&lt;restriction-level-&gt;" as a restriction level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15832   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:30:17] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41712 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updateRestrictions.php: Fix empty protection row check to avoid adding dead rows; remove any existing ones (bug 15832)
[23:33:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CategoryTree: if subcategory title is subset of category title, subcategory (recursively ) contains itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15857 trivial; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (jhcwilson)
[23:43:22] <Sean_away>	how do we use images in links in v 1.13.x?   I used to be able to do "[[User:Mischko/Esperanza|<img src="/images/1/1e/EsperanzaIcon.png" alt="Esperanza Member" />]]"
[23:43:41] <Sean_away>	but that shows the code now instead of the images
[23:45:20] <Simetrical>	You're using raw HTML?
[23:45:29] <Simetrical>	That's not really supported very well.  I doubt anyone is checking if it works correctly.
[23:47:20] <Sean_away>	hmm
[23:47:34] <Sean_away>	lots of ppl on the site use it for their signatures
[23:47:42] <Sean_away>	is there another way to do it (without the raw HTML)??
[23:51:45] <Mike||food>	Sean_C: image map, maybe
[23:52:33] <Simetrical>	Yeah, we kind of suck in this regard.
[23:52:48] <Simetrical>	Because of some historical concern about people not being able to figure out attribution of images or something, I think.
[23:52:54] <Simetrical>	The current hacky workaround is to use the ImageMap extension.
[23:54:40] <Sean_C>	hmm
[23:54:48] <Sean_C>	I'll look into it