[00:01:48] !imagelink | Sean_C [00:01:48] --mwbot-- Sean_C: Image linking is intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page is always available. If you need image links, see for methods and information. One way to achieve this is . [00:02:16] Sean_C: it looks like you probably had a hacked Sanitizer.php with whitelisted [00:02:46] Splarka, not just $wgAllowHtml or whatever it's called? [00:02:47] or, as Sim noted, a very very old version? ^_^ [00:02:49] hmm... don't remember doing that. I was on v 1.7 before though... that's mighty old [00:02:51] !html [00:02:51] --mwbot-- For allowing any and all HTML, see . This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include , and . [00:02:56] $wgRawHtml. [00:02:58] Simetrical: that doesn't sound likely [00:03:02] Why not? [00:03:04] why would it randomly flip in an upgrade? [00:03:12] Some kind of change in parsing, I don't know. [00:03:18] wut? [00:03:32] $wgRawHtml hasn't changed since 1.3 or so [00:03:51] brb... [00:04:33] (well, maybe if they edited DefaultSettings.php, heh) [00:06:04] (heck, maybe was a registered parser hook in an extension that worked in 1.7 but not 1.13, for all we can guess) [00:06:57] there are more good reasons not to allow arbitrary , you can for example load external images on your host, and perform poorman checkusers on anyone [00:07:24] heh, Simetrical: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=4379 [00:07:40] $wgRawHtml has been default false for 4 years [00:25:53] back [00:42:06] so apparently it's bug monday [00:44:34] Maybe where you live. [00:45:32] 03(mod) CategoryTree: if subcategory title is subset of category title, subcategory (recursively) contains itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15857 +comment (10jhcwilson) [00:45:36] 03tstarling * r41713 10/trunk/phase3/ (9 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) [00:45:36] * Allow $wgDiff3=false [00:45:37] * Don't call quickUserCan('edit') unless section edit is enabled [00:45:37] * In DatabasePostgres and DatabaseSqlite: throw an exception on connection error [00:45:37] * In DatabasePostgres: don't send an invalid connection string whenever one of the fields is empty. Use quoting. [00:45:38] * In Database: make the captured PHP error prettier [00:45:42] * Display a descriptive error message when the user navigates to index.php with PHP 4, not a parse error. Check to see if the *.php5 extension works, using file_get_contents(). [00:46:22] just some little tweaks related to a project I was doing over the weekend [00:46:31] the project isn't finished yet [00:53:29] so apparently it's bug monday <== *cough* [00:54:12] I'd like to ask for a checkbox for Special:Movepage to not leave redirects when moving an article, for users which have the proper access rights [00:56:33] yes, I think that falls into [[Category:Embarrassingly stupid bugs]] [00:56:51] along with the single link for login and create account [00:58:07] ok, major project shelved [01:21:31] 03tstarling * r41714 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Allow humans to suppress redirect too, not just bots. Added human interface, gave sysops the right by default. [01:22:24] I was kind of surprised that the code was all there already, except for a UI [01:22:35] not too hard to add a checkbox [01:22:35] was there for the API [01:22:36] TimStarling, I'm pretty sure that was deliberate. [01:22:42] rubbish [01:22:45] Because of fears of overuse or something. [01:22:50] if you don't want it on your wiki, disable it [01:23:01] TimStarling: It was deliberate. [01:23:16] Brion said it was a curse against the Web to move a page and not leave a redirect. [01:23:28] There is / was a pretty controversial bug about it as well. [01:24:08] you can discuss whether sysops should have that right [01:24:16] but there's no reason to just forget to include a user interface [01:24:17] they do, and bots too [01:24:20] because you think it'a a bad idea [01:25:11] The thought was that it could be allowed, but only for power-users using third-party scripts or something, I think. Its use would be reduced by not providing an interface. [01:25:26] MZMcBride, "curse against the web", that might be true for Wikipedia, but for personal installations it's a hassle to delete the redirects by hand every time [01:25:49] heh [01:25:49] I didn't say it was my view. I was explaining why it hasn't been part of the UI. [01:25:53] 03tstarling * r41715 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: suppressredirect off by default following complaints [01:25:54] any sysop or bot can do it now, on en.wp, with a little JS or manual form submission [01:25:56] Kind of like how the only purpose the "rollback" button serves is to make it easier to undo edits, it doesn't provide any actual new functionality. [01:26:06] well, not *now*, but a few seconds ago ^_^ [01:26:16] elitist [01:26:31] speaking of, give rollback to everyone, that is a sucky bug [01:26:45] you think the only people who should be allowed to do this operation quickly are people who are very familiar with computers? [01:26:47] "everyone can already do it" "but vandals will use it" "So will the anti-vandals" [01:26:50] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 [01:26:54] That's the relevant bug. [01:26:59] I didn't give an opinion. [01:27:02] It could easily be misused. [01:27:10] But it would be useful for reverting vandalism. [01:27:16] Removing all trace of a page's existence seems like a bad idea, in my opinion. [01:27:18] I'm done [01:27:38] I don't care whether it's on or off by default, but leaving out the UI is just stupid [01:28:21] Does Bug Monday include shell requests? [01:28:29] yes [01:28:33] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177 [01:28:36] if it really is creating controversy, create a special right to be able to use it, and/or a site setting [01:28:44] You reviewed that extension a while ago, I think. [01:28:55] lch: There is a special right. [01:29:03] it's not a shell request [01:29:24] it's a "rewrite this extension to make it suck less" request [01:29:41] Perhaps that should be noted in the bug, then? [01:29:51] comment 4 [01:30:42] anyway, I can probably do it anyway [01:30:47] I thought core already had a similar feature. [01:30:51] [[Special:ResetPass]] or something. [01:31:17] then why are you asking me to enable it? [01:31:42] Does that Special: page work for you? [01:31:50] Or anyone? [01:31:54] it's unrelated [01:32:27] it's for email resets, I think [01:32:29] I'm a little slow, I didn't notice that TimStarling already fulfilled my request... thanks! :) [01:33:03] The functionality for non-sysadmins to be able to reset passwords is what I'm after. The extension provides that, though there are likely better options. [01:33:07] lch: yes, but you will now have to request that the suppressredirect right be given to sysops [01:33:16] But I think a sub-optimal solution is better than no solution at all. [01:33:39] MZMcBride: that's not what it does [01:34:02] are you asking for this extension to be enabled on private wikis, like the bug report says? or more broadly? [01:34:09] More broadly. [01:34:41] And whether it's a core feature or an extension makes no difference (to me, at least). [01:35:07] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41714 oops "SVN proxy error" [01:35:49] well, the thing is, that extension is mostly about disabling user accounts, not resetting passwords [01:36:21] it gives you the option to set a user's password to an invalid value, and then it has a block status hook that makes them seem as if they're blocked if they have that password value [01:36:39] and it has a special page to list all users who are blocked in that way [01:37:40] Indeed. [01:37:57] People requested the functionality and the developer obliged. [01:38:20] Why doesn't it just have the functionality "e-mail password reset to specified address"? [01:38:27] That would of course still allow taking over the account. [01:38:46] why would you want to do that? [01:39:05] Which? [01:39:12] what's wrong with doing it in one step? [01:39:17] why add the email step? [01:39:41] Well, so that we don't have the admin necessarily knowing the password, and the user can choose his own password instead. [01:40:53] ok [01:41:01] I noticed that it isn't really possible to make an account usable again for somebody who forgot his password and didn't leave an email address, too, unless you resort to SQL queries [01:41:09] without the extension, I mean [01:41:17] I'll see if I can merge it into Special:ResetPass [01:48:59] 03(mod) suppressredirect right for Wikimedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14998 +shell; summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard) [01:58:33] *Splarka waits for the first requests for suppressredirect as a standalone group [01:59:46] *MZMcBride waits for sysops to learn that they've lost a right and can no longer use their fancy API scripts to suppress redirects. [02:00:42] and we know who to tell them to blame, MZM and Sim! [02:01:04] I have no power over the software. But, sure, make your effigies. [02:01:37] It's very much wanted; hence the bug 14998. [02:02:21] A lot of features are much wanted, but are impractical or bad ideas. [02:02:23] I didn't say it was my view. I was explaining why it hasn't been part of the UI. [02:02:27] and you did, effectively [02:02:49] if you'd kept quiet, r41715 might not have happened (or at least not until brion'd seen the patch) [02:03:29] I'm over it. [02:07:42] I agree there is potential for abuse, but I think/hope we can trust sysops, rollbackers to not do so. [02:08:01] Shall I figure out whether there is agreement, or simply wait for a "verdict"? [02:08:29] It's a philosophical issue. There's not a right or wrong answer. [02:09:08] $wgGroupPermissions['sysop'] ['whateverisrightforthesituationandtheuser'] = true; [02:10:02] I've only just finished surveying Special:ResetPass, it's a bit ugly [02:10:11] it must be the oddest special page I've seen yet [02:10:55] it has a class that's derived from SpecialPage, but it doesn't follow the SpecialPage conventions, doesn't invoke the parent constructor and doesn't use any parent methods [02:10:58] the main reason I'm against +rollback for everyone is that it effectively kills the ease of retrieving the reason why the edit(s) were rolled back. if it could be disputed, you'd have to chase down 1+ user talk pages... then again that can already happen with undo [02:11:22] which is why I didn't comment ^_^ [02:11:31] the form is not displayed by someone going to Special:ResetPass, rather it's only ever displayed as a kind of subpage of Special:Userlogin [02:11:43] wtf? [02:12:19] What happens if an extension's Special: page name conflicts with a core Special: page's name? [02:12:47] the extension wins [02:12:54] why? [02:13:12] one is Special:PasswordReset and the other is Special:ResetPass [02:13:26] Just curious. Assuming you made a core feature called Special:PasswordReset and left ResetPass alone. [02:14:07] it's only 170 lines [02:14:14] you know I wrote 1800 lines of code on the weekend [02:14:24] quite productive, for a weekend [02:14:25] For MediaWiki? [02:14:32] yeah, secret project [02:14:38] ooh... sekret [02:15:15] alright, I'm rewriting the installer [02:15:21] :D [02:15:38] will we finally be able to bundle extensions? [02:15:44] no [02:15:57] :P [02:16:10] but I'd like to at least have the ability to do unattended installs [02:16:10] my next big project is integrating ParserFunctions into core [02:16:29] cache diff pre-html? invalidate site/user css/js on-edit? revert vandalism by deleting/freeing revs? time travel? clone dinosaurs? [02:16:32] I don't think that would be advisable [02:16:52] TimStarling: which? [02:17:03] integrating ParserFunctions into the core [02:17:12] Tim: It's listed here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/List_of_extensions_to_be_merged_to_the_core [02:17:16] For what it's worth. [02:17:42] why not? It's used practically everywhere and where it isn't used, a simple wg can be used to disable them so execution overhead doesn't increase [02:17:45] ooh ooh, I know [02:18:11] how about (for bug day), allowing open-ended html tags pre-transclusion, without htmltidy? [02:18:18] MZMcBride: no it's not [02:18:19] {{divopen}} {{divclose}} [02:18:33] lol [02:18:42] Thank you. [02:18:52] *Skizzerz thinks he knows why... maybe [02:18:55] one of the biggest complaints for template theft, the damn mixed wikitable/html [02:19:09] is it because we want to keep the default Wiki Markup as far away as possible from any sort of programming language? [02:19:11] anyway, it's not a bug [02:19:13] this is bug monday [02:19:43] technically still sunday where I am :D [02:19:45] is there a fundamental reason Sanitizer can't check for valid html pairs post-transclude? [02:19:53] it's monday UTC [02:20:01] If we want to merge Duplicate to core (it is listed at "maybe") then why can't we get it installed on WMF wikis? [02:20:08] and yet, tidy can? (is it due to tidy allowing the suppression of such checking because it knows tidy will?) [02:20:09] you don't expect bug monday to go for 48 hours do you? [02:20:29] heh :P [02:20:39] Mike_lifeguard: I don't understand how that extension works. [02:20:54] It lets you duplicate the entire page history to a new location (ie to fork a page) [02:20:56] Post duplication does Special:Contributions list everything twice? [02:21:21] mmm [02:21:29] And if so, isn't that ridiculous? And if not, why not? [02:21:46] does it duplicate the revisions (making new revisions) or the pages' references to said revisions? [02:22:05] *MZMcBride goes to install it on a test wiki. [02:22:05] *Splarka wonders why two pages can't share revisions ^_^ (deletion might be interesting though) [02:23:12] I have no idea what happens in the innards, though that is an interesting question [02:23:34] how about a hard deletion system (disabled by default), but useful for removing linkspammy pages without keeping their revision text in the db [02:24:09] Sorry, got the name of that ext. wrong: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Duplicator [02:25:18] 03(mod) n-ary property values cannot contain semicolons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15732 (10mail) [02:25:42] it appears to procure an image of a cowbell from the Great Abyss, then materialize it and clang it in a metronomic manner to summon a Demon that induces a schizophrenic rage upon the page, thus duplicating it [02:27:02] http://pruebita.com/wiki/Special:Duplicator [02:27:10] lol. someone had a bit to much happy for dinner :P [02:27:27] it works nicely, so far as I can see (ie end-user) [02:27:32] nice sitenotice [02:27:39] real discrete [02:27:40] Haha. [02:27:52] There was a legitimate purpose for that... [02:28:14] the image is lulzy [02:28:21] needs a domo kun though [02:28:44] I was testing plainlinks usage in Sitenotice. [02:29:13] It duplicates entries in Special:Contributions. [02:29:28] That's not really a good thing. [02:29:36] no... not really [02:29:38] <_mary_kate_> it's unavoidable [02:29:54] Oh, it's entirely avoidable. Just don't use the extension. ;-) [02:30:09] But I get what you're saying. [02:30:16] people would use that instead of MovePage to rename a page to arbitrarily bump their edit count [02:30:20] The problem is that it changes history. [02:30:34] no, you would let only sysops or maybe 'crats duplicate pages [02:30:50] the main reason we want it is for attribution purposes [02:30:51] http://pruebita.com/p/index.php?title=Template:AJ2&diff=prev&oldid=495 <-- I didn't edit AJ2 on October 3. [02:30:57] I edited AJ. [02:31:10] And now it appears I did both. [02:31:42] 03tstarling * r41716 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php specials/SpecialMovepage.php): Disable double redirect fixer by default, pending resolution of bug 15622, causes more harm than good. [02:32:21] Hmm. And the bots have gone home. :-( [02:33:20] Strangely (maybe not strangely, but hmm) Duplicator doesn't put revisions in the recentchanges table. [02:33:31] <_mary_kate_> i think it would be strange for it to do that [02:33:35] <_mary_kate_> beyond a single log message [02:34:02] The entire concept is a bit strange given the structure of the software. [02:34:16] <_mary_kate_> let's just store pages in svn [02:34:46] Mike_lifeguard: What kind of attribution purposes? [02:35:14] For example, we have a page which needs to be included in three different books [02:35:36] Right now, I think there's just a link in the history saying "got it from [[there]]" [02:35:43] however if [[there]] ever gets deleted.... [02:35:54] Right. But the person only made the contribution to a specific page. They didn't make the contribution to three different pages. [02:35:56] (and it's not very good attribution in the first place) [02:36:59] When you copy a GFDL work, you still need attribution. [02:37:20] Indeed. [02:37:39] When printing a text, for example, you still need attribution, although "they didn't make a contribution to X copies of the book, only once - on the wiki" [02:38:16] Both printing and duplicating within the wiki are problems, but I suppose Duplicator solves one of them. [02:38:38] Right, but contribution histories indicate what action was taken by whom and when. They're sacred. To suddenly change them is dangerous. [02:38:56] (All of this sort of answers the question of why the extension isn't enabled currently.) [02:39:06] has anyone got a patch for bug 9126 that doesn't involve completely rewriting the extension? [02:39:19] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126 [02:39:21] Perhaps. However it should happen one way or another. [02:41:50] In defense of the large patch, it allegedly makes other bugs easier to solve. [02:41:58] Splarka: still there? [02:45:32] *Splarka twitches [02:45:34] yeah? [02:45:38] oh god, that one [02:45:54] patch: wait for IE6 to die out [02:45:55] it occurs to me that youtube has very similar overlays on their video thumbnails [02:45:58] er 7 [02:46:03] so I'm seeing if there's a solution I can steal [02:46:07] Tim: I' [02:46:17] d say have the (i) injected by imagemagick [02:46:36] *Splarka can't seem to type [02:46:42] margin-top: -24px [02:47:16] > Generally speaking, it's pretty hard to get 1500-line patches with multiple [02:47:16] pages of documentation reviewed, especially if they're for very minor issues [02:47:16] like these three. [02:47:22] heh [02:47:29] that's it, just a div that's structurally after the image, but with a negative top margin [02:48:00] presumably it could be positioned at the top the same way [02:48:34] or we could use a negative bottom margin to position them at the top [02:48:42] structurally before [02:49:05] 03mfarag * r41717 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAr.php MessagesArz.php): Updates [02:49:26] they don't even bother changing the z-index by the looks of it [02:49:56] and it works in IE7 in an overflow:auto? [02:50:11] well, I'll check afterwards [02:50:21] I'm assuming youtube serves the same HTML for firefox and IE [02:54:29] are you on windows? [02:55:22] 98, heh [02:55:41] does IE7 run on that? [02:55:44] no [02:56:00] that's not much help then [02:56:02] but I spent a few hours helping lordtbt debug this before he submitted the bug [02:56:26] (but that was 19 months ago) [02:58:01] *Splarka curses IE a bit [02:59:09] (it works fine in IE5 and I believe 6) [03:02:42] The issue is with relative positioning. [03:02:53] Since negative margins don't use relative positioning, there should be no problem. [03:02:57] 03mfarag * r41718 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/languages/ (SD_LanguageAr.php SD_LanguageArz.php): Add Arabic (ar) and Egyptian Arabic (arz) [03:02:57] (famous last words) [03:03:12] that would be the idea [03:03:27] *Simetrical should have thought of negative margins [03:03:33] 03(mod) The move reason field should be one line only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13627 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [03:03:35] *Simetrical needs to remember those more often [03:06:00] has anyone here got IE 7 right now? [03:06:08] and MediaWiki HEAD? [03:06:18] to save me restarting, you understand [03:06:55] you could just save an output example as html and link to it, non? [03:06:58] yeah [03:07:01] *Skizzerz does [03:07:16] 03mfarag * r41719 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/languages/ (SD_LanguageAr.php SD_LanguageArz.php): props [03:07:24] Splarka: it would need images [03:07:34] TimStarling: what do you need checked? [03:08:55] bah, g2g [03:09:34] *Splarka remembers when people, not php, generated all html... bah [03:10:51] 03tstarling * r41720 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: Proposed fix for bug 9126: use negative top margin. Like YouTube QuickList icons. Committing for cross-browser test. [03:13:04] restarting, bbl [03:14:08] 03(NEW) Can not create "view-source:" links in wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15858 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (sean) [03:14:30] 03mfarag * r41721 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/ (SMW_LanguageAr.php SMW_LanguageArz.php): Update ar and arz [03:20:52] I'm running 1.13 and getting a flat-out error on Special:LonelyPages [03:20:57] it's fun... see: [03:20:58] http://lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:LonelyPages&limit=500&offset=500 [03:21:08] Fatal error: Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object in /var/www/html/lyricwiki.org/includes/PageQueryPage.php on line 21 [03:23:35] *MZMcBride blinks. [03:23:52] We've been having that exact same error at en.wiki... [03:28:52] Oh dear, I'm getting "Call to undefined method PreferencesForm::validateInt() in mediawiki\extensions\FlaggedRevs\FlaggedRevs.hooks.php on line 1037" [03:29:19] MZMcBride: do you know if there is a bug-report for it? [03:29:35] haha... it is bug-day... i guess i could fix it ;) [03:29:54] I don't think so. The thought is that it's related to a NULL page title. [03:30:03] Do you have any of those/ [03:30:04] ? [03:30:09] hmm [03:30:20] how would i check? just query wiki_page for page_title IS NULL ? [03:31:54] 03(mod) Special: RevisionDelete should have clearer logs for individual revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15814 +schema-change (10JSchulz_4587) [03:35:57] MZMcBride: select count(*) from wiki_page where page_title IS NULL; [03:36:18] MZMcBride: returns 0 [03:37:09] File a bug? [03:37:20] sounds like a plan [03:37:35] yay! it's bug day... and i'm in your bugzilla... [03:37:46] that's not a nullable field [03:37:46] 14(WFM) Block reason text should be in italics in Special:Log/protect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15774 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [03:37:46] 03tstarling * r41722 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: Minor tweak for IE. [03:38:21] ah [03:38:50] TimStarling: before I go flooding the bug-tracker... do you know anything about the getPrefixedText() erorr we were discussing above? [03:38:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages [03:39:00] no [03:39:03] I wasn't in the channel [03:39:10] so I know nothing [03:39:22] repaste coming... [03:39:26] Tim: until recently it was possible to create null page titles via naughty API [03:39:36] you mean empty? [03:39:42] well title="" [03:39:46] ah [03:39:47] right, that's not null [03:39:48] empty [03:39:51] http://lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:LonelyPages&limit=500&offset=500 [03:39:58] Fatal error: Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object in /var/www/html/lyricwiki.org/includes/PageQueryPage.php on line 21 [03:40:05] We've been having that exact same error at en.wiki... [03:40:14] People (those vague, vague people) believe that it's causing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UncategorizedPages [03:40:15] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=41673 claims to fix this (?) [03:40:42] makeKnownLinkObj() shouldn't generate fatal errors, that's a regression [03:41:14] maybe a quick scap of PageQueryPage.php (only those changes for the last 4 months)? [03:42:35] 03(mod) Allow modification of a block without unblocking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 (10mrzmanwiki) [03:43:04] 03(mod) Allow modification of a block without unblocking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10080 (10public) [03:43:16] > print $sk->makeKnownLinkObj( false ) [03:43:16] [03:47:23] TimStarling: Do you think it makes sense for me to just apply 41673 to my live code, or should I wait for makeKnownLinkObj to be fixed? [03:47:51] 03(mod) suppressredirect right for Wikimedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14998 (10public) [03:48:40] ah right, misleading commit message [03:49:17] there's two unrelated changes in that commit [03:49:45] the error comes from PageQueryPage.php itself, not makeKnownLinkObj [03:49:56] 03aaron * r41723 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.php: Remove some redundant "starting from" message cruft (bug 3327) [03:50:24] 03(FIXED) Eliminate clutter from recentchanges intro - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3327 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [03:50:56] TimStarling: yeah, it appears to be just the call on a dead'$title' [03:51:00] so yes, you should apply 41673, because there's nothing wrong with makeKnownLinkObj [03:51:15] TimStarlinkg: coooolness, thanks [03:51:39] 03(mod) View image in several resolutions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2581 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [03:53:21] bah... still a problem: Fatal error: Call to undefined method SkinMonoBook::link() [03:53:38] probably because I'm running 1.13.2 instead of whatever the current version is [03:56:15] what charset should my database be using? [03:56:16] works again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WithoutInterwiki [03:56:26] as suspected, empty page title [03:56:38] (was deleted, but that page is expensive/miser/cached) [03:56:50] 03(FIXED) Image maps fail to scroll in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126 +comment (10tstarling) [03:57:04] 03(mod) Filters on Special:Ipblocklist by blocktype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4391 (10JSchulz_4587) [03:59:14] TimStarling: Should I file a new bug for adding password reset functionality to core? [04:00:18]
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    • [04:00:19] heh [04:00:31] Simetrical: You still awake? [04:01:52] MZMcBride: whatever [04:02:02] I'm not doing it right now [04:02:10] there's some lower hanging fruit [04:02:10] Then I'll file a bug. [04:02:17] 03(FIXED) Special page listing changes to transcluded pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [04:02:21] like actual bugs to fix, rather than feature requests [04:02:40] *MZMcBride shrugs. You all are the ones who have to reset the passwords. [04:02:55] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2242 <-- Is this already fixed? [04:04:24] 03(mod) RSS feed for Special:Contributions/newbies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6955 (10JSchulz_4587) [04:07:32] MZMcBride: Are you the mrzman who did http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=41673 or is it just coincidence that your names are similar? [04:07:47] Nope. That would be MrZ-man. [04:07:51] Who's not online. [04:07:56] argh :( [04:07:57] bummer [04:08:09] cuz i applied those changes and errored out in a way that doesn't make sense to me [04:08:17] http://204.16.240.102/index.php?title=Special:LonelyPages&limit=500&offset=500 [04:08:24] Sean_Colombo, did you apply _only_ that change? [04:08:29] yes :( [04:08:36] to a 1.13.2 code-base [04:08:40] that's not how it works :) [04:08:45] you need to svn up. [04:09:06] our code isn't quite svn-upable :( [04:09:21] we've been bad & done a few non-extension changes [04:09:55] Sean_Colombo, well, erm, then you'd have to manually check and apply every diff that depends on that one [04:10:04] our extension system exists for a reason :) [04:10:14] Krimpet: ouch [04:11:12] Sean_Colombo, you should probably abstract out the changes you made into a custom extension. [04:11:39] Krimpet: unfortunately i don't know how... that's why the "in"tensions are in there [04:11:46] Sean_Colombo, what do they do? [04:11:52] most of our stuff is in extensions, but a couple aren't [04:11:53] hmm [04:12:15] one is that we hard-coded Skin.php to let Admins not have to worry about the spam-filter [04:12:32] another is that we added some custom code to wikibits.js to install some browser-plugins on demand [04:13:03] oh dear [04:13:08] and then a huge one is that our custom skin was all done by changing monobook.php itself [04:13:23] and it seems like there is probably a better way to do that [04:13:26] the .js should go in [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], for starters... [04:13:32] hawt [04:13:34] *changes* [04:13:56] what exactly do you mean, hard-coden in Skin.php for the spam filter? [04:14:04] Someone mentioned that git allows for easier modification to the software while still allowing SVN ups.. [04:14:06] I wouldn't think skins would have anything to do with spam... [04:14:37] Krimpet: oops... I meant EditPage.php [04:14:51] there are extensions for that for a reason [04:14:53] <_mary_kate_> MZMcBride: distributed VCSs allow you to maintain you own local branch and push changes back [04:15:02] <_mary_kate_> MZMcBride: you can do that with svn too, e.g. with svk [04:15:17] Git probably has a fancier diff algorithm too, I'd imagine [04:15:23] <_mary_kate_> (or with vendor branches) [04:15:49] <_mary_kate_> Krimpet: not really, afaik it's the same three-way-merge that svn does.. that's pretty much a solved problem [04:15:58] ah [04:16:10] (never really used git myself) [04:16:19] Krimpet: so basically this whole problem is due to me being at the latest release instead of being at let latest head of SVN? [04:17:26] Sean_Colombo, well, the problem is that you're not supposed to apply patches from svn head like that :) [04:17:41] that diff relies on changes since 1.13.2 [04:17:58] yikes [04:18:09] well, it's broken as-is so i have to do something i guess :-/ [04:18:30] w/o that fix i have several SpecialPages that don't work [04:19:34] Personally I'd suggest removing that EditPage.php hack altogether; and migrating the skin to another one [04:20:28] Most changes to Monobook can be done much simpler than you'd imagine with some CSS tweaks in the MediaWiki: namespace; or you could copy the skin to a new one if you really need to. :) [04:20:51] I probably need to copy it [04:20:58] it's a lot of different added stuff [04:22:05] this kinda sucks... I either have to fix all of the non-extension changes (read: pay penance for my sins), or try to find all the changes for that diff just to fix this bug [04:22:23] and both of those are probably time-consuming so the site has to be broken until I get that done :-/ bah [04:22:33] 03tstarling * r41724 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Remove apparently unnecessary around images, causes invalid XHTML when the image contains block-level elements, as in ImageMap and OggHandler. [04:22:52] Sean_Colombo, the non-extension stuff is prolly more straightforward than you think. :) [04:22:55] finding all the diffs is probably faster, but I guess i need to fix all extensions eventually [04:23:12] And then you can update to the bleeding edge MW and be merry. [04:23:22] that would be awesome [04:23:31] Krimpet: how do you make another skin (so that i can move monobook.php to there)? [04:23:38] !skins [04:23:38] --mwbot-- Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [04:23:48] oooo nice :) i was just guessing [04:24:05] we have a tutorial on copying monobook somewhere. :) [04:24:44] I think this is it: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning [04:24:46] 03(WONTFIX) AJAX search during article edit clear edited text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9434 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [04:25:08] 03tstarling * r41725 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: Fix for bug 8718. Cooperate with image centering by specifying widths on divs so that the margin:auto trick can work. [04:25:27] Krimpet: as far as i can tell, i have 4 things that aren't extensions... [04:25:27] 03(FIXED) Information icon on imagemap is wrong placed when image is centered. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8718 +comment (10tstarling) [04:25:47] Krimpet: and i don't know how to fix any of them (or i would have done it right the first time ;)) hehe [04:25:59] Sean_Colombo, if you'd like, you could send me a tarball of your current code and I'll take a look-see [04:26:23] um.... w00t [04:26:23] lol [04:26:29] what's your email addr? [04:29:47] 03(FIXED) ImageMap makes accompanying links unclickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8788 +comment (10tstarling) [04:30:29] 03(FIXED) Import doesn't update recentchanges. rc_new_len and rc_old_len columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9354 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [04:34:23] 03(WONTFIX) Special:Patrollist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11030 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [04:35:32] 14(INVALID) Image map is not clickable when SVG used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10073 +comment (10tstarling) [04:36:55] 03mrzman * r41726 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageQueryPage.php: Pass the actual text from $row->title (escaped with htmlspecialchars) instead of null so we can see what the bad title actually is. [05:31:38] 03(mod) DynamicPageList-extension is very old - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15537 (10derhausgeist) [05:35:05] hi does this command [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] show actually the real number of legitamte content pages? wad qualifies as stub pages? [05:35:34] sentinel100101: it has to do with the length of the page and number of links in it [05:36:06] hmmm okay what would that be... [05:36:35] i mean the statistics show i have around 130 pages... [05:36:58] www.shareurtravel.com [05:37:07] pls do a have a look.. [05:38:25] http://www.shareurtravel.com/wiki/Special:Statistics [05:38:49] yeah, says 273 total and 140 legit [05:38:53] that sounds about right [05:38:54] what qualifies as a stub page? its says i have around 139 articles.. however i believe the count should be higher... [05:39:12] well then its does say excluding stub pages.. wad qualifies as stub pages? [05:39:29] well, MediaWiki comes with a bunch of its own pages ... those are probably most of what's getting excluded [05:39:40] main namespace (or content namespace), not a redirect, and has a link [05:39:43] um... I don't remember where you can find out the minimum length to get counted [05:39:54] ah [05:40:01] kewl so i could be sure of the there are only 140 content pages so far huh? [05:40:07] you can define more content namespaces, other than main [05:43:37] hmm hey thanks Sean_Colombo appreciate ur help [05:43:51] Splarka.. wad pages are considered as stub? [05:44:25] hmm, I believe that is separate from good vs total, and is probably strictly length base [05:44:39] but most wikis I use ignore the stub feature as a legacy mistake [05:54:55] well then would be rite to say tht i have 140 content articles only? [05:55:33] pretty much, yah [05:55:46] 03tstarling * r41727 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * Added "click" parameter to image links, to allow images to link to an arbitrary title or URL. This should replace inaccessible and incomplete solutions such as CSS-based overlays and ImageMap. [05:56:22] thanks! [05:57:00] 03(WONTFIX) ImageMap extension can no longer produce an unclickable image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12913 +comment (10tstarling) [05:59:24] morning [06:05:30] Does r41727 need parser tests? [06:05:35] hi i need help backin up my wiki [06:05:41] !backup | sentinel100101 [06:05:41] --mwbot-- sentinel100101: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [06:06:00] i dont have shell access my wiki is on a shared hosting how do i go about? [06:06:02] 03tstarling * r41728 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: Add check for XML validity in case that's what caused bug 13316. [06:07:12] 14(WFM) Imagemap with an .ogg file spit outs DOMExceptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13316 +comment (10tstarling) [06:18:45] any bugs fixed yet? [06:19:00] A few. [06:19:18] 03(mod) Better Malayalam translation for Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15829 (10shijualex) [06:20:24] Niker: 9354 8788 8718 9434 5872 9126 3327, and a few WFM [06:20:58] Splarka: what's WFM mean? [06:21:29] weird fubar mess [06:21:30] 03(mod) Namespace aliases for Malayalam Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15726 (10shijualex) [06:21:38] hahaha nice [06:21:41] (or 'Works for me' for the pedants) [06:21:52] ahhhh ic [06:24:25] 03(mod) Upload URL for Malayalam Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15723 (10shijualex) [06:37:50] 03(mod) Imagemap's enclose itself in

    - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14052 (10tstarling) [06:42:33] sooo [06:42:40] can I help? [06:42:54] sure [06:42:59] fix some bugs [06:43:46] ;D [06:44:08] is there any lists or areas to target specifically? [06:44:25] no [06:44:40] well, there's a list, but it's about 5000 bugs long [06:45:44] hey folks [06:47:07] Nikerabbit: What about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681 ? :-) [06:51:18] 03(mod) Imagemap's enclose itself in

    - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14052 (10rene.kijewski) [06:54:12] /last -clear [06:54:15] ups [06:54:16] 03(NEW) Allow password resets by bureaucrats in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15859 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public) [06:54:25] and new bugs keep coming faster :o [06:54:34] :O [06:54:43] isn't here an extension for 15859? [06:54:47] there [06:55:05] I tried to make it as clear as possible that I didn't want the extension. ;-) [06:57:01] 14(WFM) Can not create "view-source:" links in wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15858 +comment (10krimpet) [06:58:04] mm 3041 open bugs [06:58:27] 03tstarling * r41729 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: Fixed bug 14052: tidy inserting

    tags randomly. Put the inside one of the divs that we are creating anyway. [06:58:33] 2586 in mediawiki and extensions [06:58:58] 03(FIXED) Imagemap's enclose itself in

    - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14052 +comment (10tstarling) [06:59:58] could prolly wontfix half of them [07:00:10] like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10038 ? [07:03:36] 03tstarling * r41730 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ (ImageMap.i18n.php ImageMap_body.php): Fixed bug 15675: show an error if a polygon has an odd number of coordinates. [07:03:40] 03(FIXED) Imagemap does not check for even number of data values - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15675 +comment (10tstarling) [07:03:50] 14(DUP) Magic word for category article count - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15645 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:04:00] 03(mod) PAGESINCATEGORY should differentiate between pages and subcategories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14237 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:06:46] 03(mod) Protect Functionality for importImage.php Maintenance Script - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:07:10] I have a bug I'd love to see fixed: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675 [07:07:33] I've put a patch up there to add a new command line and I'm using it every night via a cron job on my own wiki [07:12:44] 03(mod) bar when creating a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15837 +comment (10krimpet) [07:13:21] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 hmm? [07:15:13] <Nikerabbit> does collection do this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382 ? [07:15:16] <CIA-6> 03tstarling * r41732 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler_body.php: Workaround for bug 11289. [07:15:58] <MZMcBride> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14176 <-- This is a fun one. :-) [07:16:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Media Descriptions Imported From Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11289 (10tstarling) [07:17:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) AntiSpoof should run checks at the global level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15841 +comment (10krimpet) [07:20:07] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add ability to disable messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14176 +comment (10tstarling) [07:24:23] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) [dismiss] shown for empty sitenotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15844 +comment (10krimpet) [07:29:29] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow password resets by bureaucrats in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15859 +comment (10krimpet) [07:30:51] <CIA-6> 03tstarling * r41733 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (bug 12586) Use wfHostname() everywhere, remove $wguname and $wgNodeName. Use getenv('COMPUTERNAME') on Windows. [07:31:01] <wikibugs> 14(WFM) Unable to link to titles containing double- or triple-apostrophes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8932 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:31:07] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Change $wguname/$wgNodeName/wfHostname behaviour - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12586 +comment (10tstarling) [07:32:16] <MZMcBride> Hmm. 8932 closed as a workaround? Hmm. [07:32:33] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11691 isn't this a duplicate? [07:33:00] <Nikerabbit> MZMcBride: feel free to mark it as duplicate if you find the bug about not parsing '' in links [07:33:54] <MZMcBride> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11707 [07:34:38] <Nikerabbit> hmm another duplicate [07:37:13] <MZMcBride> I can't find the non-duplicate. [07:37:50] <CIA-6> 03tstarling * r41734 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php: (bug 14229) Trim attribute name in #tag [07:38:15] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) #tag does not ignore whitespace before parameter names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14229 +comment (10tstarling) [07:38:42] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 doesn't inputbox already do that? [07:38:48] <ThomasV_> hello [07:40:09] <wikibugs> 03(mod) enhacement of dropdown menu on special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15776 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:40:18] <TimStarling> 13224 needs isolating [07:40:23] <ThomasV_> I have the following problem : during the creation of thumbnails (convert is called), my wiki does not answer to other requests. looks like the php thread is frozen during system calls [07:40:28] <TimStarling> in case someone's looking for things to do [07:41:51] <TimStarling> ThomasV_: are you the same person as ThomasV? [07:41:55] <ThomasV_> yes [07:42:08] <TimStarling> what version of MediaWiki? [07:42:11] <ThomasV_> it's me at home [07:42:37] <ThomasV_> r41379 [07:43:29] <TimStarling> what system calls? [07:43:41] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Empty named <ref> tag doesn't work. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11814 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:43:43] <ThomasV_> the call of convert [07:43:48] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; refs with no name must have content - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15770 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:44:00] <TimStarling> are you using strace? [07:44:08] <ThomasV_> no, I am not [07:44:20] <ThomasV_> what is it ? should i use it ? [07:44:23] <TimStarling> so you mean "system calls" in the loose sense? [07:44:31] <TimStarling> strace is the bees knees [07:44:44] <TimStarling> but it probably won't help you here [07:44:49] <ThomasV_> I mean, the part of mediawiki where 'convert' is called [07:44:52] <TimStarling> since your problem is most likely to be DB locking [07:45:35] <ThomasV_> hmm how can I test that ? [07:46:14] <TimStarling> ok, well the convert call is in includes/media/Bitmap.php [07:46:21] <TimStarling> wfProfileIn( 'convert' ); [07:46:21] <TimStarling> $err = wfShellExec( $cmd, $retval ); [07:46:27] <ThomasV_> yes [07:46:47] <TimStarling> if you remove that wfShellExec, and replace it with sleep(20);, you should find that it works the same way [07:47:02] <ThomasV_> my impression is that during the execution of convert all php threads are frozen [07:47:12] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Show warning and require a second save action when the page being saved contains an unmatched extension tag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11691 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:47:16] <TimStarling> try that first [07:47:23] <TimStarling> if it is convert, then we can debug convert [07:47:28] <ThomasV_> ok, I will try that [07:47:35] <TimStarling> but we should check that assumption [07:47:47] <ThomasV_> if it works the same way, it means that I have a lock ? [07:48:01] <TimStarling> it means the problem is elsewhere [07:48:10] <TimStarling> do you have a debug log? [07:48:11] <ThomasV_> ok, thanks [07:48:18] <ThomasV_> yes I do [07:48:58] <TimStarling> that should help [07:49:07] <TimStarling> if things happen quickly, you can add timestamps to it [07:49:18] <TimStarling> but the sleep(20) will slow it down anyway [07:50:01] <TimStarling> set $wgDebugDumpSql = true; if it's not already [07:50:47] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Revert Compressold.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9865 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:53:09] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Getting strange 403 errors when trying to edit with following text: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15350 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:53:40] <wikibugs> 03(ASSIGNED) Music cuts off a couple seconds too early. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15315 (10tstarling) [07:54:20] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Words dropped from index if page titles start with two or more of the same words - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15120 (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:57:39] <jack> hi [07:57:57] <Laaknor> hello [07:58:06] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) AllMessages PHP mode: not all languages based on English - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7226 (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:58:10] <jack> need help with mediawiki [07:58:33] <MZMcBride> !ask | jack [07:58:33] --mwbot-- jack: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [07:59:24] <jack> srry, i have uploaded mediawiki on my server and whenever i point the borwser to the config folder it shows access denied [07:59:35] <jack> i have CHMOD'ed the files [07:59:49] <_wooz> lo [07:59:50] <Divvid> How can I customize the login page? Special:userLogin? I want to add a message there for the users [08:00:05] <Laaknor> jack: how have you chmod'ed it? [08:00:17] <jack> via ftp [08:00:27] <Laaknor> to what permissions? [08:00:39] <jack> tried both 755 and 777 [08:00:43] <MZMcBride> Divvid: What version of MediaWiki? [08:00:52] <Laaknor> 777 should work [08:01:11] <jack> Laaknor ya but it isnt [08:01:38] <Laaknor> but you shouldn't point the browser to the config-folder [08:01:58] <jack> Laaknor the index.php file? [08:02:11] <Divvid> MZMcBride: latest stable, I think 1.13.1 [08:02:12] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12002 uuuuugly [08:02:13] <Laaknor> you should go to the root of the mediawiki-folder [08:02:26] <Laaknor> and that should bring you to an installer [08:02:33] <jack> laaknor ya after that follow the link on the page [08:02:37] <jack> tried tht too.. [08:02:43] <MZMcBride> Divvid: Editing [[MediaWiki:Loginstart]] should do the trick. [08:02:47] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Ugly non-latin links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7329 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:03:01] <Laaknor> jack: could you give me the URL for your installation so that I could take a look? [08:03:15] <jack> sure [08:03:18] <MZMcBride> Indeed, it does. [08:03:29] <jack> makingmoneyatoz[dot]com/wiki/ [08:03:47] <Laaknor> okey [08:03:57] <Laaknor> chmod 755 wiki/config/index.php [08:04:06] <Divvid> thanks [08:05:04] <jack> laaknor tried that too [08:05:18] <jack> laaknor not working.. [08:05:30] <Laaknor> hmz [08:05:36] <Laaknor> do you have shellaccess? [08:05:42] <MZMcBride> TimStarling: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539 <-- You resolved this, right? [08:05:47] <PeanutHorst> where can I grab a specific version of mediawiki, in this case 1.14a-r41337 ? [08:05:54] <MZMcBride> PeanutHorst: SVN. [08:05:57] <jack> laaknor yes [08:06:04] <TimStarling> yeah [08:06:16] <Laaknor> could you send me a privmsg with the output of ls -la wiki/config/ [08:06:42] <PeanutHorst> MZMcBride: they're not made available as snapshots? [08:07:09] <MZMcBride> PeanutHorst: An alpha version that Wikimedia happens to be running at this very moment? [08:07:18] <MZMcBride> I don't think so. [08:07:26] <Werdna> afternoon, all. [08:07:28] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8576 [08:07:51] <jack> Laaknor 1 sec [08:10:08] <Nikerabbit> TimStarling: did your fix fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12013 too? [08:12:46] <TimStarling> hopefully [08:12:51] <TimStarling> it's not very well tested though [08:14:50] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Insallation of MediaWiki 1.12. 0rc1 does not find diff-util on FreeBSD 6.2 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13353 summary; +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:15:47] <CIA-6> 03tstarling * r41735 10/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/thumb-handler.php: (bug 15363) Add oga and ogv extensions. [08:16:04] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Allow images that link somewhere other than the image page ( using normal link syntax) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539 +comment (10public) [08:16:26] <jack> laaknor sent pm [08:18:04] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) .ogv extension breaks thumbnailing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15363 +comment (10tstarling) [08:18:54] <jack> laaknor pm sent [08:19:23] <Laaknor> sorry, went away a minute [08:19:57] <jack> laaknor its totally ok :) [08:20:08] <Laaknor> seems okey there [08:20:22] <jack> laaknor ya.. [08:21:15] <wikibugs> 03(mod) missing wfRunHooks('ArticleShow') - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2736 (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:21:44] <jack> laaknor what should i do? [08:22:01] <Laaknor> don't know [08:22:04] <CIA-6> 03tstarling * r41736 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser_OldPP.php: (bug 15563) port PHP bug workaround to Parser_OldPP [08:22:08] <Laaknor> have you look on apaches error.log? [08:22:32] <jack> no lemme c [08:23:14] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Segfault observed on parse for certain input text using the old parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15563 +comment (10tstarling) [08:23:22] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow specifying TOC location without forcing TOC - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9289 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:24:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Cortado playback truncated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15315 summary (10tstarling) [08:25:02] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Playback stops abruptly at a little after the 11 minute mark in both IE and Firefox . Downloaded file plays fine. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15614 +comment (10tstarling) [08:25:07] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Cortado playback truncated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15315 (10tstarling) [08:25:36] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) A way to manipulate CSS-based preferences via the GUI - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6135 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:26:34] <jack> laaknor i cant find it.. [08:26:55] <jack> laaknor not so good with grid servers [08:28:57] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Redirect fixer contributions caused by vandalism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15622 (10tstarling) [08:31:23] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) A way to hide the sidebar providing a "fullscreen" view - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14501 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:36:05] <chriswaterguy> Hi - we're installing extensions to improve usability (Uniwiki), but we have a namespace clash. Uniwiki uses namespaces 100 & 101 (I think for "Layout") but we're already using that for "Portal" [08:36:47] <chriswaterguy> question: can we just change the namespace number for the Portal namespace? Or will that stuff up the database? [08:37:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Grammaticalisation of esperanto talk page don't work everywhere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7446 (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:38:07] <Nikerabbit> chriswaterguy: yes, don't change it [08:38:18] <Nikerabbit> chriswaterguy: fix the extension to allow changing the numbers [08:39:16] <TimStarling> what do you set the resolution to for a bug that was fixed already, but not reported previously? [08:40:59] <wikibugs> 03(mod) MediaWiki 1.12.0rc1 does not find diff-util on FreeBSD 6. 2 with safemode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13353 summary (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:41:01] <chriswaterguy> Nikerabbit: thanks! Now... do you know if the extension will have to be changed again every time it's updated? [08:41:38] <TimStarling> too late [08:41:51] <Werdna> TimStarling: why would that be a bug? [08:41:51] <wikibugs> 14(WFM) importdump.php regular expression is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14961 +comment (10tstarling) [08:42:03] <Werdna> yeah, that'd be my resolution :P [08:44:53] <Divvid> is there a way lo leave comments in the wiki markup that do not showup on the page itself? [08:45:26] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Google Language translation of En articles to RTL scripts - shows navbar conflict - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10027 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:45:28] <Werdna> <!-- [08:45:34] <Werdna> My comment [08:45:35] <Werdna> --> [08:46:03] <Divvid> thanks [08:46:19] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Catch "close window event" with javascript while editing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5698 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:46:36] <TimStarling> why is it that nobody understands what an application is? [08:46:38] <Nikerabbit> chriswaterguy: duh, fix the *extension*, not your copy of it :) [08:47:22] <Werdna> TimStarling: an application as in a use, or an application as in a software solution? [08:47:28] <TimStarling> a use [08:47:38] <Werdna> in which context? [08:47:41] <TimStarling> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 [08:48:05] <TimStarling> I've had the same thing with API feature requests [08:48:52] <Werdna> Looks like a 'mind dump' answer to the question. [08:48:59] <Nikerabbit> :D [08:49:01] <Werdna> To him, perhaps it looks like your question was "More detail please" [08:49:02] <TimStarling> there's no answer in there [08:49:41] <chriswaterguy> Nikerabbit: (bear with me - I'm not a coder.) If we change it to a specific portal number, will that stuff it up for others when it gets updated for them? Or is this about making it a variable, that doesn't change the value in the local version when it update? (or maybe it's already a variable?) [08:50:30] <TimStarling> someone says "please add <some property> to prop=links" [08:50:43] <TimStarling> I say "what would the applications be?" [08:50:53] <TimStarling> they say "well, we'd be able to determine <some property>" [08:51:04] <TimStarling> I say "yes, but what would you then do with that data?" [08:51:06] <Werdna> Uniwiki should use namespace ids in the range assigned to extensions. [08:51:22] <Nikerabbit> Werdna: in any case they should be configurable [08:51:45] <Werdna> unfortunately, that's annoying to change, because it breaks existing installs. [08:51:51] <Werdna> making it configurable wouldn't be a big deal. [08:51:58] <Werdna> TimStarling: do you end up finding out? [08:52:00] <Nikerabbit> anyway, if Uniwiki is not in our svn repo, we cannot really support it :) [08:52:07] <TimStarling> "well, we'd be able fetch it efficiently instead of screen scraping some unrelated special page" [08:52:17] <TimStarling> it always takes a while [08:52:27] <TimStarling> I don't know why [08:52:35] <Werdna> Perhaps we should add this in the guidelines for reporting bugs. [08:52:59] <Nikerabbit> TimStarling: ping Agony, in case he wants to elaborate :) [08:54:20] <Werdna> "If you're making a feature request, be sure to include details of why the feature is needed. This should be something concrete, like 'vandals are doing X, and it could be stopped with Y'" [08:55:01] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: aren't you a developer nowdays? [08:56:15] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12008 fix or wontfix? [08:56:31] <wikibugs> 03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 (10tstarling) [08:56:38] <Werdna> oh yeah, it's bug monday. [08:57:22] *Werdna has a look. [08:58:31] <MZMcBride> Nikerabbit: Well, the solutions there aren't the best... [08:58:43] <MZMcBride> What about getting rid of the "minor edit" checkbox if creating the page? [08:59:01] <MZMcBride> Is creating a page ever a minor thing? [08:59:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Problem now with TidyTab extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12712 summary; +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:01:00] <siebrand_alt> TimStarling: nice reply on the #time thingie :) [09:02:11] <gadgetdoctor> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675 is my pet bug... I've put a proposed fix in bugzilla .. any more I can do? [09:02:13] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) template:mergetomultiple-with does not work as described - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12067 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:02:57] <Nikerabbit> uuh [09:03:01] <Nikerabbit> still 2500 open bugs [09:03:04] <Nikerabbit> that's a lot [09:03:49] <Nikerabbit> testme: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5129 [09:06:12] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14553 any idea what's this about? [09:07:59] <Werdna> siebrand: where do I register massages? [09:08:18] <Nikerabbit> maintenance/languages/what'sitsnameagain [09:08:31] <MZMcBride> Massages? [09:08:45] <Nikerabbit> messages [09:08:50] <Nikerabbit> though a massage would be nice too [09:09:02] <MZMcBride> :-) [09:09:37] *Werdna offers Nikerabbit a massage. [09:12:57] <Nikerabbit> cool [09:15:35] <Nikerabbit> quite quiet for a bug monday :/ [09:15:47] <Werdna> dude, bug monday hasn't started in the US [09:16:34] <CIA-6> 03werdna * r41737 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 15301) Fix up use of actions in display for permissions errors. [09:16:54] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) there are problem in russian edition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15301 +comment (10Andrew) [09:17:41] <wikibugs> 03(mod) List global group rights similar to Special:ListGroupRights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15030 +comment (10Andrew) [09:17:50] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow group rights to be changed on-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15252 (10Andrew) [09:22:11] <siebrand> Werdna: r41737 is almost right... But it is still lego. [09:22:27] <siebrand> Werdna: Make it whole sentences, so with all the redundancy. [09:23:22] <Nicky> is there any way to force mediawiki to open [[wikipedia:<anything>]] in another window? [09:23:22] <Nikerabbit> mm interestin [09:23:41] <Nikerabbit> Nicky: control+click [09:24:27] <Nicky> without forcing the users to do anything [09:24:47] <Nicky> automatically [09:24:51] <Duesentrieb> Nicky: there are extensions to do that [09:25:03] <Duesentrieb> mediawiki doesn't support it out of the box, intentionally. [09:25:10] <Nicky> ok, I still look [09:25:13] <Nicky> thkz [09:25:20] <Nikerabbit> Duesentrieb: mm what happened to $wgExternalLinkProps or something [09:25:33] <Duesentrieb> no clue, did that exist? [09:25:37] <Werdna> siebrand: does it not work in all languages? :/ [09:26:07] <Nikerabbit> siebrand: 'permissionserrorstext-withaction' => 'You do not have permission to $2, for the following {{PLURAL:$1|reason|reasons}}:', [09:26:23] <Nikerabbit> that's a quite long text to duplicate [09:27:19] <Nikerabbit> !wg ExternalLinkTarget [09:27:19] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgExternalLinkTarget [09:27:28] <siebrand> Nikerabbit: well, it's lego or it is not. We can do it for now, and see who starts whining... [09:28:10] <Nikerabbit> siebrand: well it's pretty good lego [09:28:49] <Nikerabbit> siebrand: except that $1 cannot be forwarded to $2 [09:29:43] <Nicky> [[wikipedia:<anthing>]] is an internal link [09:30:30] <Nicky> form an exteral site [09:31:07] <Nikerabbit> nope, it's interwiki link [09:31:33] <Nicky> I think I agree [09:31:44] <Nicky> yes :) [09:32:40] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Replace LonelyPages, WithoutInterwiki with PagesWithLeast. .. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15860 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (naught101) [09:34:45] <chron> how can i put rss from other webpages on mediawiki? title and link (or title as link) is all i want [09:36:24] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Use "Login required" instead of "Error" in HTML title of login page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15861 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (T.F.Kuipers) [09:40:39] <Nikerabbit> hmm [09:40:55] <Nikerabbit> do people know that bugday means closing bugs, not filing new ones? :D [09:41:53] <raphaelh> hi all [09:42:20] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Use "Login required" instead of "Error" in HTML title of login page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15861 (10T.F.Kuipers) [09:46:29] <raphaelh> just wanted to let you know that there is now a french community for MediaWiki users : http://mediawikifr.org [09:49:33] <Nikerabbit> ok [09:51:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Grammaticalisation of esperanto talk page don't work everywhere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7446 (10arno.raymond.lagrange) [09:55:04] <Nicky> still can't find what I was looking for :( [09:55:48] <dungodung> is it bug monday already? ^_^ [09:56:00] <Nikerabbit> yes [09:57:03] <dungodung> \ő/ [10:18:42] <CIA-6> 03nikerabbit * r41738 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialDismissnotice.php: addWikiMsg [10:25:18] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41739 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (37 files in 5 dirs): updated doxygen tags, removed @note AUTOLOADED [10:25:20] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15006 15enhancement->normal; normal->high; +comment (10ferrer126) [10:40:53] <sputnick_> hi there [10:41:17] <sputnick_> is there something like this with WP ? (dokuwiki) : [10:41:18] <sputnick_> <code fortune |h fortune|s> [10:41:20] <sputnick_> extern>http://google.com [10:41:21] <sputnick_> </code> [10:41:38] <sputnick_> that display google on the page edited [10:41:48] <sputnick_> (that's just an example) [10:42:07] <Duesentrieb> sputnick_: there's a lot of extension [10:42:14] <Duesentrieb> err, extensions to show whatever on the page [10:42:27] <Duesentrieb> iframes with other websites included [10:42:37] <sputnick_> nice. any links ? [10:42:48] <Duesentrieb> to which of the 1000 extensions? [10:42:51] <sputnick_> :D [10:42:57] <Duesentrieb> what are you trying to do exactly? [10:42:59] <sputnick_> the most common one ? [10:43:02] <sputnick_> :) [10:43:12] <Duesentrieb> the most common one for what? [10:43:20] <sputnick_> show a fortune on my wiki [10:43:41] <Duesentrieb> definie "fortune". in my mind, "google" doesn't qualify. [10:43:57] <sputnick_> no, goggle was just an example [10:44:09] <Duesentrieb> for what? sorry, you are not being clear at all. [10:44:30] <siebrand> sputnick_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bashfr , but it looks scary. [10:45:06] <Duesentrieb> for fortune cookies, yea. [10:45:16] <Duesentrieb> no idea how the google example would fit with that [10:45:31] <sputnick_> I have my *own* fortune page ;) [10:46:09] <Duesentrieb> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Include does lots of includes [10:46:27] <siebrand> sputnick_: google with "site:mediawiki.org" and maybe you will find what you are looking for. I am not aware of a "fetch any from external source". Sounds like that may be quite vulnerable. [10:46:51] <sputnick_> <code fortune |h fortune|s> extern>http://foo.fr/randomfortune.php </code> (work on dokuwiki ) [10:47:24] <_mary_kate_> sputnick_: telling random docuwiki syntax doesn't explain what you want to do, we don't know what it means [10:47:27] <Duesentrieb> sputnick_: so? what does "furtune" mean hear? what does it DO? how should we know? [10:47:27] <Duesentrieb> sputnick_: the 1000 was not an exaggeration. we have well above 1000 extensions on that site. [10:47:35] <sputnick_> siebrand: he, like url_fopen, in php ?! [10:47:55] <Duesentrieb> that's what the include extension does, follow the link [10:48:01] <sputnick_> oO [10:48:01] <_mary_kate_> sputnick_: you should explain exactly what you want to do in words [10:48:06] <Duesentrieb> i still see no relation to "fortune" :) [10:48:13] <sputnick_> yes, I'll try [10:48:33] <Werdna> hey all. [10:49:07] <sputnick_> define(fortune); fortune is something like what you can see on www.bashfr.org (sentences from IRC) [10:50:15] <Duesentrieb> sputnick_: in that case, use the basfr extension? [10:50:37] <Duesentrieb> sputnick_: note that to old farts like us, it usually means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(Unix) [10:51:16] <sputnick_> that's it Duesentrieb [11:07:07] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Change NAMESPACE Aparteko to Berezi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15718 -shell ; +comment (10raimond.spekking) [11:07:07] <NicDumZ> Nikerabbit, sorry, what was it about ? [11:07:26] <CIA-6> 03raymond * r41740 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEu.php: * (bug 15718) Change special namespace for 'eu' and add alias [11:07:47] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Please set up a mailing list for the Dutch Wikimania bid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (effeietsanders) [11:09:31] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: aren't you a developer nowdays? [11:14:33] *NicDumZ is not sure what to answer :-) [11:14:43] <NicDumZ> let's say a very young developer maybe ? [11:16:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 (10agony79) [11:16:44] <NicDumZ> but Nikerabbit, why did you ask ? [11:18:09] <Agony> TimStarling: good question but not sure is it most related one (since MW <> Wikipedia) :) [11:22:01] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: commit access [11:22:25] <NicDumZ> oh yeah, I do have access [11:22:44] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11285 :o [11:24:19] <NicDumZ> CIA-6, lazy boy [11:24:32] <NicDumZ> Nikerabbit, I so forgot about this ! going to take a look ! [11:30:50] *Werdna hunts bug monday fodder [11:31:46] <Nikerabbit> what's fodder? [11:33:17] <Werdna> Nikerabbit: erm.. difficult to describe [11:33:26] <Werdna> "cannon fodder" = "stuff to be shot by cannons" [11:34:17] <Nikerabbit> http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=fodder&gwp=8 [11:34:30] <NicDumZ> is it me, or when getting data from DB, we should always use Title::makeTitleSafe( $result->namespace, $result->title ); instead of Title::makeTitle( $result->namespace, $result->title ); [11:35:00] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: why? [11:35:58] <Nikerabbit> database should not contain invalid titles [11:36:04] <Nikerabbit> and if they do, we should fail gracefully [11:36:25] <wikibugs> 03(mod) #time to support timezone-related format characters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15045 (10agony79) [11:36:44] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Wikimedia OpenID provider - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13631 (10public) [11:37:36] <NicDumZ> well, let's already make sure we handle the fail gracefully cases. [11:38:24] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41741 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Infolink.php: doxygen data update [11:38:44] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41742 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): move message loading to special page wrapper class, try to defer message loading until needed [11:38:54] <Nikerabbit> makeTitle can't return null? [11:39:33] <NicDumZ> no, it won't [11:39:50] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: so what happens if it used to make a link or whatever? [11:40:19] <NicDumZ> well, if [11:41:11] <NicDumZ> $title is null, $t = Title::makeTitleSafe( NS, $title); $t->mTextForm is null, and so is $t->mTextForm [11:42:00] <NicDumZ> so, a not-so graceful failure, I think :) [11:42:01] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Improper handling of invalid titles in some special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11285 +comment (10public) [11:42:24] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Wikimedia OpenID provider - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13631 +comment (10daniel) [11:42:25] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: but makeTitle wont return null? [11:42:30] <NicDumZ> no [11:42:54] <Nikerabbit> and $titletext need not to be null [11:44:29] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Wikimedia should become an OpenID provider - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13631 summary (10public) [11:51:30] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) Show only other people's edits on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12467 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [11:54:57] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Tagging new pages for speedy deletion leaves them marked unpatrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12570 (10JSchulz_4587) [11:56:31] <NicDumZ> by the way, how comes we can call Title::newfromid when the function name is newFromID, and don't get a warning or anything ? [11:58:34] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: huh? [11:59:45] <NicDumZ> Nikerabbit, actually, newFromId instead of newFromID in SpecialDisambiguations.php : 87 [12:00:11] <NicDumZ> but changing it to newfromid just seems to work the same [12:07:30] <Nikerabbit> NicDumZ: functions are case insensitive [12:10:10] <CIA-6> 03mfarag * r41744 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAr.php MessagesArz.php): Update ar and arz [12:10:20] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41743 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixes in messages management for multiple commits. Please mind this, and please 'php rebuildLanguage.php --lang=en' before you commit message changes! [12:21:12] <Duesentrieb> can i find out if a wiki is private via api.php? [12:21:20] <Duesentrieb> that is, get the read-whitelist [12:24:35] <PrEdAtOr> O_O [12:25:34] <DarkoNeko> no idea [12:25:47] <DarkoNeko> I'd tend to disable the api in any private wiki :) [12:25:53] <Werdna> most private wikis have api disabled [12:25:56] <Werdna> yeah, what DarkoNeko said. [12:26:36] <DarkoNeko> well, I think a part of them ignore it's existence and leave it there, tho [12:39:41] <guidou> I have a question about wikipedia dumps. Does the field 'page_len' of table 'page' represent the size of a page compressed or uncompressed? [12:52:15] <Nikerabbit> is somebody here sysop at enwiki? [12:54:18] <Nikerabbit> I guess not [12:56:57] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Upload: can' t save file names with special characters to ntfs filesystem - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15863 normal; normal; MediaWiki: File/Repo; (donpaolo) [12:58:09] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41745 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/ (6 files in 4 dirs): removed more obsolete @note AUTOLOAD [13:01:45] <Hojjat> Hello bug-killers! [13:04:00] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41746 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/ (16 files): extended doxygen tags [13:22:48] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41747 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (14 files in 7 dirs): added doxygen tags to put all classes to modules [13:24:18] <CIA-6> 03gri6507 * r41748 10/trunk/extensions/WhoIsWatching/ (SpecialWhoIsWatching.php SpecialWhoIsWatching_body.php): [13:24:19] <CIA-6> v0.9 [13:24:19] <CIA-6> * Fixed the extension instantiation to work across MW versions [13:24:19] <CIA-6> * Fixed the feature that displays count of users if zero [13:25:20] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 +comment (10Birgitte_SB) [13:31:43] <CIA-6> 03huji * r41749 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations [13:41:02] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Inconvenience when I want to protect page moves but not editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15864 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (vinhtantran) [13:44:32] <CIA-6> 03huji * r41750 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Reverting r41749 because it added empty messages for untranslated optional messages. I suspect Translate extension did that. [13:49:07] <odb|fidel> hello [13:50:00] <Wikinaute> hello ! [13:50:12] <odb|fidel> i am moving our wikis from a real ubuntu server to a virtual ubuntu server. Basicly the real ubuntu server is using mysql 5.0.22 and the new one is using mysql 5.0.51a [13:50:31] <Wikinaute> can someone help me with models? [13:50:40] <odb|fidel> after imprting the old db to the new server most things work fine but i have one issue with special sign in german language [13:51:05] <odb|fidel> so ö,ä etc gets broken [13:51:14] <odb|fidel> am i right that this should be an mysql issue ? [13:51:27] <odb|fidel> and which font is used, or might it be related with mediawiki tiself too ? [13:52:16] <odb|fidel> basicly both mysql are configure to use utf8, so i dont get the reason for this problem [13:53:14] <odb|fidel> should i try some kind of special import function in mysql ? like compatiblity mode or similar (which is only available for older versions like mysql3and 4 afaik) [13:53:26] <Wikinaute> please, where can I get some help to install a model (from Wikipedia to a local Wiki) ? [13:55:45] <odb|fidel> the interesting part is: it looks like this broken german signs are only in article names [13:55:45] <Wikinaute> it is not the right place? [13:55:48] <odb|fidel> not in the content [13:56:00] <odb|fidel> Wikinaute: this is the right place for mediawiki support yes [13:56:09] <Wikinaute> ok thanks [13:56:16] <odb|fidel> but it looks like there is not that much activitiy today at this time [13:56:36] <odb|fidel> maybe try it again later ... and check the mediawiki docs in the meantimes [13:56:45] <odb|fidel> at least that is what i am going to do now again :D [13:56:57] <Wikinaute> sad :'( [13:57:10] <Wikinaute> ok thx! [13:57:16] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Tagging new pages for speedy deletion leaves them marked unpatrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12570 (10JSchulz_4587) [13:57:16] <NicDumZ> heh [13:57:38] <NicDumZ> the fact that your question doesn't get an answer right away doesn't mean noone's able to answer [13:57:50] <odb|fidel> correct :D [13:58:24] <NicDumZ> Wikinaute, go on here. Have you installed parserfunctions ? (yes you do need to have shell access for this) [14:00:39] <NicDumZ> !parserfunctions | Wikinaute [14:00:39] --mwbot-- Wikinaute: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>. [14:02:12] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Special: AllPages gives a database error for empty namespaces on PostgreSQL-based installations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15836 (10b-jorsch) [14:03:56] <odb|fidel> NicDumZ: any ideas about broken article names if they contained special signs ? [14:04:20] <odb|fidel> seems to affect only the article names, which leeds me to the idera that it is not a mysql issue [14:07:07] <NicDumZ> I remember some issues on upgrade; can't find this anymore [14:10:31] <odb|fidel> NicDumZ: in my case it isnt a real upgrade [14:10:39] <odb|fidel> i am moving an existing installation [14:10:45] <odb|fidel> and moving the mysql db too [14:10:55] <odb|fidel> so the only diff itself is the used mysql [14:11:10] <odb|fidel> and i remember somehow i had that special signs in article problem once before [14:11:19] <NicDumZ> ah [14:11:19] <odb|fidel> but seems like i havent documented the solution [14:11:30] <NicDumZ> then the problem was _before_ ? [14:11:34] <TG|Goat> Hi can anyone offer some (hopefully simple) tech support with a CSS issue? [14:11:47] <odb|fidel> no i had that problem while the last move :) [14:12:06] <odb|fidel> but the wiki i am trying to move now works - and all special signs are displayed correctly [14:12:28] <odb|fidel> if i export the mmysql and import in on the new host, the special signs in the article names (only) are borken [14:12:42] <odb|fidel> works great for the article content [14:14:02] <odb|fidel> but i have to finish now anyways, gonna continue my search tomorrow i guess [14:14:15] <odb|fidel> good day to everyone ;) [14:14:35] <TG|Goat> cya :) [14:17:33] <TG|Goat> Can anyone offer some help on correctly configuring the config/index.php so it picks up the right relative paths? I've been away for some time and in my absence a colleague has buggered up the wiki and left it in a heap. He moved the files around without configuring the wiki to it's new path and for the life of me i can't remember how to do configure it ^^ [14:18:08] <TG|Goat> The main issue is we've completely lost the style sheet and images - the words appear. [14:18:17] <Duesentrieb> TG|Goat: wgSCriptPath and wgArticlePath are the two most important ones [14:18:27] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Permission error message for editing MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 +comment (10siebrand) [14:18:31] <Duesentrieb> if you left everything else at default, thge wiki would work [14:19:13] <TG|Goat> are they in /localsettings.php or configs/index.php [14:19:29] <Wikinaute> mwbot: (sorry I was AFK) thank you very much for this info. Installing parser function seem to be quite easy, right? [14:19:48] <TG|Goat> and thanks ^^ [14:19:49] <wikibugs> 03(mod) there are problem in russian edition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15301 (10siebrand) [14:19:57] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Permission error message for editing MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14246 (10siebrand) [14:20:21] <Wikinaute> and will it be enough to install a model like this one: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Bo%C3%AEte_d%C3%A9roulante [14:22:29] <guillom> hi ; how can I escape "[" characters in URLs I want to add as external links ? [14:22:57] <Duesentrieb> guillom: use html escapes or url encoding [14:23:19] <guillom> hmm [14:23:21] <guillom> thanks [14:23:31] <Duesentrieb> i.e. ª or %AA - but replace AA with the actual hex code [14:23:54] <guillom> ok [14:23:55] <guillom> thanks [14:24:56] <Wikinaute> My MediaWiki version is : 1.5.8... and Wikipedia version of Mediawiki is 1.14alpha... how to understand? mine is outdated.....??? [14:25:28] <Nikerabbit> Wikinaute: 1.5 < 1.13 [14:26:15] <Wikinaute> so would you recommend me to update or it is not very important (I want to be able to install Parser Function to use new models) [14:26:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10tstarling) [14:27:32] <siebrand> Wikinaute: you should update to the latest stable release. Your current version is unsupported. The oldest supported version is 1.12.1 [14:27:44] <Wikinaute> ooch! [14:27:54] <Wikinaute> is update easy? [14:28:01] <Wikinaute> no risk to loose data? [14:28:03] <siebrand> Wikinaute: the most recent stable version is 1.13.2 [14:28:27] <Nikerabbit> take backups [14:28:29] <siebrand> Wikinaute: read the FAQ... Updates from 1.4 have been reported as succesful, but not from my own experience. [14:29:55] <Wikinaute> ok, thanks. Is Mediawiki multilingual? Or there is a version to donwload for each language? [14:30:12] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload: can' t save file names with special characters to ntfs filesystem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15863 (10innocentkiller) [14:30:19] <Wikinaute> (sorry I am a noob :s ) [14:33:00] <Wikinaute> Please a last question (the most important for me): if I update mediawiki, than install Parser Function, will I be able to copy/install models like this one (a kind of spoiler balise): http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_Mod%C3%A8le:Bo%C3%AEte_d%C3%A9roulante (sorry it's in French) [14:35:53] <Wikinaute> no idea? [14:36:13] <NicDumZ> Wikinaute, mw is multilingual [14:36:23] <Nikerabbit> interface [14:36:25] <Wikinaute> ok, great! [14:36:40] <NicDumZ> Wikinaute, you'll probably also need some custom JS & CSS, but this is "easy" [14:37:19] <Wikinaute> where to get those JS & CSS ? can they be copied/pasted from Wikipedia, for example? [14:37:40] <NicDumZ> Wikinaute, first upgrade, then install the parser functions [14:38:09] <NicDumZ> then we'll see about JS & CSS. (but yes, most likely copy pasted, you just need to find the right ones :þ ) [14:38:42] <Wikinaute> lol ok ! thanks! but the do "right ones" are hard to identify... ? :s [14:41:13] <NicDumZ> Wikinaute, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css , grep for "boîtes déroulantes" ; you'll need to copy this into your Common.css [14:41:48] <NicDumZ> Wikinaute, same search in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [14:42:02] <NicDumZ> but trust me, upgrading is probably your biggest problem here [14:42:24] <Wikinaute> OK! I write this down and will do this after the update. Many many thanks! [14:42:54] <NicDumZ> de rien... [14:51:30] <jamie> hi [14:51:59] <jamie> getting parse error due to the extension problem works fine on php5 not on php please help [14:52:42] <Duesentrieb> mediawiki requires php5 [14:52:59] <jamie> ya i have a php5 compatiable server [14:53:17] <jamie> i have the parse error in autoloader.php file [14:53:41] <jamie> http://mibbit.com/pb/l3kiqn [14:54:15] <CIA-6> 03demon * r41751 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Validate.php: Cleanup to this. Don't need to pass by reference if we're returning too. [14:54:32] <Duesentrieb> jamie: well, you should make sure you are using php5 then... [14:54:40] <CIA-6> 03demon * r41752 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Cleanup to things that used PreferencesForm::validate functions. Use static Validate methods now. [14:55:07] <jamie> ya i am supposed to edit the .htaccess file for it right? [14:55:12] <jamie> as mentioned here [14:55:36] <jamie> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk/Sections/Installation [14:55:42] <jamie> see parse error on installation [14:55:54] <Duesentrieb> depends on the environment. but usually yes [14:56:17] <jamie> ya its not working for me [14:58:25] <Duesentrieb> have you tried disabling the extension? perhaps it's simply broken, and you are using php5 already :) [14:58:46] <jamie> where should i disable it? [15:00:46] <Duesentrieb> just where you installed it [15:00:55] <jamie> in htaccess file? [15:00:56] <Duesentrieb> comment out the respective include/require lin in your localsettings [15:01:10] <Duesentrieb> uh? extensions in htaccess? i don't think so :) [15:02:12] <jamie> cld u point out where it wld be.. [15:02:14] <jamie> in localsettings... [15:03:37] <Duesentrieb> wherever you put it [15:04:01] <Duesentrieb> you were talking about an "extension". [15:04:08] <Duesentrieb> or is that a misunderstanding? [15:04:11] <jamie_> back [15:04:18] <jamie_> ya have tht parse error [15:04:28] <jamie_> which involves the extension [15:04:37] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 +comment (10arno.raymond.lagrange) [15:05:19] <Zylogue> Hello, all! what is a good extension for mediawiki that requires an account/authentication to create/edit articles? [15:06:30] <jamie> brb [15:18:03] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Translate adds empty messages for untranslated optional messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15865 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (huji.huji) [15:20:18] <naught101> I want to add a (fake) language to the side bar, so a sister-site's pages can go there [15:20:32] <naught101> apart from the interwiki table, what do I have to change? [15:20:42] <naught101> something about language names? [15:21:35] <Platonides> the list of language names [15:22:11] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10tstarling) [15:22:11] <naught101> Platonides: where is that? [15:22:45] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Translate' s export to file should auto-rebuild the language file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15866 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (huji.huji) [15:28:26] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Use of Extensions like AntiBot and AntiSpam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15867 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87) [15:28:36] <naught101> anyone else? [15:28:50] <CIA-6> 03huji * r41753 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding/updating Persian translations [15:31:15] <CIA-6> 03demon * r41754 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): +a few docs [15:33:33] <wikibugs> 03(ASSIGNED) prop=links doesn't handle plcontinue parameter well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15856 15enhancement->major; summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw) [15:42:42] <Sundance_Raphael> hi [15:45:02] <Platonides> RoanKattouw, is something special being done? [15:45:21] <RoanKattouw> Platonides: Why do you ask, and why do you ask me specifically? [15:45:34] <Platonides> because you're not idle :P [15:45:57] <Platonides> today is supposed to be 'bug day' [15:46:05] <Platonides> whatever it means... [15:46:14] <RoanKattouw> I know. But it's 17:44 over here, I just got home at 17:15 [15:46:26] <RoanKattouw> Tomorrow I'll be home by 14:00, so Tuesday is API Bug Day from now on :D [15:46:46] <RoanKattouw> There's been quite some work on bugs a few hours ago [15:46:56] <RoanKattouw> wikibugs-l had a lot more traffic that usual today [15:47:04] <Platonides> i joined half an hour ago [15:47:19] <Platonides> and didn't see movement [15:47:29] <Platonides> no brion, tim away... [15:47:30] <RoanKattouw> Well look at http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20081006.txt and you'll see quite some stuff about bugs [15:47:42] <RoanKattouw> Platonides: Tim has been committing stuff and closing bugs all day [15:48:14] <Platonides> so it's just that i entered at coffe time :) [15:48:49] <Nikerabbit> hello [15:49:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Translate' s export to file should auto-rebuild the language file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15866 (10siebrand) [15:49:13] <RoanKattouw> Ah my IRC client tells me you're in the Amsterdam/Paris timezone as well [15:49:19] <Nikerabbit> I've been marking bugs WONTFIX and invaLID :D [15:49:27] *siebrand cheers Nikerabbit on! [15:49:29] <RoanKattouw> That also needs to be done [15:49:40] <Nikerabbit> there is only 2500 open bugs [15:49:45] <Nikerabbit> let's close them :) [15:49:50] <RoanKattouw> BTW, guys, who does stuff like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 anyway? [15:49:57] <RoanKattouw> As in, who creates those lists? [15:50:02] <Nikerabbit> we could take some subset and go them trough one by one [15:50:03] <Platonides> yes, Roan I'm at CEST [15:50:05] *siebrand has been gathering debug and repro case material for unrelated stuff (and has fixed a long running issue in an unrelated product) [15:50:37] <Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: mark it +shell ? [15:51:03] <RoanKattouw> Is +shell appropriate for mailing list requests? We have a separate component for mailing lists already... [15:51:16] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Please set up a mailing list for the Dutch Wikimania bid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 +shell (10Platonides) [15:51:23] <Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: shell is a keyword [15:51:26] <RoanKattouw> I know [15:51:33] <Nikerabbit> a bit redundant perhaps [15:51:37] <Platonides> non-shell users can't create it [15:51:49] <Platonides> although it can be done by more than just the sysadmins [15:51:53] <RoanKattouw> Oh, in that case, it should obviously be there [15:56:04] <Nikerabbit> how about all bugs in general/unknown :D [15:56:28] <RoanKattouw> Some bugs actually belong there, although I think most can be categorized somewhere else [15:56:56] <Nikerabbit> wontfixed :o [15:58:26] <Nikerabbit> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&component=General%2FUnknown&keywords_type=allwords&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED [15:59:31] <Nikerabbit> that is already 500!!! bugs [16:00:55] <Cobraz0r> Hey [16:01:02] <Simetrical> Hmm, is the use of ?x=a&x=b&x=c there standard? [16:01:54] <Cobraz0r> I have installed WikiChat from WikiChat.org. Now i am sysop on my wiki but i cant kick someone and ban someone. Is there an setup where i must make this working? [16:02:10] <Cobraz0r> The maker of WikiChat doesnt respons and i think the project is death [16:02:31] <RoanKattouw> Simetrical: It doesn't work in PHP at least: you'd end up with the third overwriting the other two [16:02:43] <Simetrical> Cobraz0r, probably no one here uses it, so it's doubtful anyone here could help you. [16:02:43] <CIA-6> 03raymond * r41755 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: [16:02:43] <CIA-6> * Fix sequence of tabindex [16:02:43] <CIA-6> * Use existing CSS classes for label and input [16:02:43] <CIA-6> * Break long lines [16:02:48] <Simetrical> Unless you're lucky. [16:02:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Image upload does not appear in the upload log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 +comment (10chrisipk) [16:03:02] <Cobraz0r> I hope someone is :D [16:03:23] <Cobraz0r> Maybe there is an second admin project leader, but i dont see contact information on WikiChat [16:03:34] <RoanKattouw> Nikerabbit: We should have a separate component for tracking bugs [16:03:40] <RoanKattouw> They're all in General/Unknown now [16:05:08] <Simetrical> RoanKattouw, surely not all of them. Some don't belong there. [16:05:29] <Simetrical> Like the pgsql tracking bug should be filed as Database, for instance (we have such a component, right?). [16:06:21] <Cobraz0r> Knows someone here Firebreather? (like by msn or email..)? [16:06:31] <RoanKattouw> Simetrical: Yeah, it should, I'll move it [16:07:12] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) Feature Request - Reference geo coordinates from an article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9459 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:07:29] <Nikerabbit> soo [16:07:33] <RoanKattouw> Simetrical: Wait a minute, it already *has* the DB component. It doesn't have the postgresql keyword yet, though. [16:07:36] <Nikerabbit> should we do anything more systematic? [16:07:50] <Simetrical> RoanKattouw, right. [16:07:51] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload: can' t save file names with special characters to ntfs filesystem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15863 (10Platonides) [16:07:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 +postgresql (10roan.kattouw) [16:07:57] <RoanKattouw> Nikerabbit: Go over all bugs and close those that can be closed like 9459? ;) [16:08:07] <Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: I've been doing it [16:08:13] <Simetrical> Oh, this is supposed to be Bug Monday, right. [16:08:17] <Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: but many bug there is question "fix or wontfix" [16:08:31] <Nikerabbit> would be nice to go together some list [16:08:57] <Simetrical> If in doubt, leave open, IMO. [16:09:10] <Simetrical> Someone can always wontfix it later. [16:09:16] <Nikerabbit> uh [16:09:30] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: well then just stay there open forever [16:09:31] <Simetrical> But if it gets wontfixed, it won't turn up in searches and people will probably forget about it. [16:09:39] <Simetrical> Until someone fixes it, yeah. [16:09:42] <Nikerabbit> I'm pretty sure NTFS doesn't use ISO 8859-1 [16:09:58] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: which in many cases is never [16:10:00] <Simetrical> Right. [16:10:06] <PatriciaR> :S [16:10:07] <Simetrical> If we would theoretically like something fixed but are too lazy to actually do it, the bug stays open forever. [16:10:17] <Simetrical> Or rather, indefinitely. [16:10:25] <Simetrical> Because the issue is still open, so the bug should be open. [16:10:39] <Simetrical> Don't close bugs for the sake of having fewer open bugs, that's counterproductive. [16:10:42] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Mediawiki/PHP locks up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:11:14] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: having bugs open which are likely not be implemented is not very productive either [16:11:27] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: we should make decisions what to implement and what not [16:11:35] <Simetrical> Of course it's productive. It lets people know about the issue and gives a centralized place for people to discuss, vote, and submit patches for it. [16:11:59] <Simetrical> Anyone can submit patches. [16:12:08] <Simetrical> Or become a new developer. [16:12:13] <Nikerabbit> yeah, which happens because nobody knows they even exists [16:12:23] <Simetrical> If we'd allow a new developer to fix a bug without reverting him, the bug is not WONTFIX. [16:12:43] <Simetrical> It's "none of *us* happens to be interested in fixing it right now, but someday someone might". [16:13:02] <Simetrical> WONTFIX means we actually don't want the feature in the software, ever, and patches to fix it will not be accepted. [16:13:03] <Nikerabbit> it's not about anybody doing anything about it [16:13:03] <Cobraz0r> #wikipedia-nl [16:13:17] <Nikerabbit> it is about designing MediaWiki and not just throwing everything into it [16:13:17] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) subsumed edit difficulty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9431 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:13:38] <RoanKattouw> Cobraz0r: What about #wikipedia-nl? [16:13:41] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, things we object to only due to bloat can be moved to extensions requests. [16:14:04] <Cobraz0r> Nothing, dont know how i can connect it on an other way :P [16:14:11] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: feel free to do it [16:14:21] <RoanKattouw> Cobraz0r: /join #wikipedia-nl [16:14:24] <Nikerabbit> I'm closing things as wontfix that can be implemented with gadgets [16:14:26] <Cobraz0r> ah ok :P [16:14:34] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41756 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Timeline/: new directory for moving Timeline to SRF [16:14:36] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, we want to have some gadgets in core. [16:14:48] <Simetrical> At least potentially. [16:14:53] <Simetrical> Gadgets are workarounds, not fixes. [16:14:58] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: Gadgets itself isn't in core [16:15:02] <CIA-6> 03raymond * r41757 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FileDeleteForm.php: [16:15:02] <CIA-6> * Fix sequence of tabindex [16:15:02] <CIA-6> * Use existing CSS classes for label and input [16:15:02] <CIA-6> * Break long lines [16:15:09] <Simetrical> I mean we want to integrate the features of some gadgets into core. [16:15:20] <Simetrical> Just because it's possible to make them doesn't mean we don't want it in the software too. [16:15:47] <Simetrical> Bug day should be for *fixing* bugs, not just trying to get our number of open bugs as low as possible by any means. That's like what PHP does, and it sucks. [16:15:53] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: we can do it *after* the gadget has been created [16:16:01] <Simetrical> Then the bug isn't WONTFIX. [16:16:10] <RoanKattouw> siebrand: Do you know whether https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537 is fixed? [16:16:16] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Nostalgia skin has no user pages links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15868 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (nsk) [16:16:27] <Simetrical> If there's a feature we don't want in the core software, and which is more suitable for a gadget than a dedicated extension, then okay, I'd agree that might be WONTFIX. [16:16:41] <Nikerabbit> siebrand: can you create new compononent for gadgets? [16:16:57] <Simetrical> But still better to just leave the thing open if there's a doubt. Especially, always get input of multiple developers before WONTFIXing, unless you're Brion. [16:17:00] <Simetrical> IMO. :) [16:17:20] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41758 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Settings.php): disable timeline, will be moved to SemanticResultFormats [16:18:02] <RoanKattouw> Simetrical: Or unless you're me or VasilievVV and Component=API ;) [16:18:08] <RoanKattouw> Or if it's a dead horse [16:18:09] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: I've done so that I leave a comment asking wether something needs to be fixed at all, and close after few weeks because of lack of any response [16:19:02] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Image upload does not appear in the upload log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 +comment (10Platonides) [16:19:04] <Simetrical> Why would you expect any response? Nobody actually reads bug reports. [16:19:30] <Simetrical> It doesn't hurt anything to leave possibly legitimate bugs open. [16:19:37] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) Tagging new pages for speedy deletion leaves them marked unpatrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12570 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:19:50] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: no response -> noone is interested -> close [16:19:50] <Simetrical> Closing them will result in duplicate filings (not showing up in search) and annoyed bug-filers. [16:19:57] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Nostalgia skin does not show page title in printable pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15869 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (nsk) [16:20:02] <MZMcBride> Bug filers get e-mails. [16:20:17] <Simetrical> No response -> nobody who's interested happens to have seen the bug in the brief period after you commented -> no conclusion can be drawn. [16:20:17] <MZMcBride> And it hurts productivity to leave them open indefinitely. [16:20:19] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: that's a problem of bugzilla if closed bugs don't get searched [16:20:52] <Simetrical> MZMcBride, yes, they get e-mails saying "we've closed your bug because we think fixing it would be stupid and pointless". [16:21:28] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, usually it's pointless to search closed bugs, if they're invalid or already fixed or whatever. Maybe wontfix should be searched by default, though. [16:21:39] <Simetrical> Still, how does it hurt productivity to leave bugs open indefinitely? [16:22:03] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41759 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move timeline scripts to SRF [16:22:18] <Simetrical> Is Bug Monday meant to close as many bugs as possible or actually improve the software? How about spending time on *fixing* bugs instead of closing wontfix? [16:22:21] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: makes it harder to find the relevant ones [16:22:45] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, unless the relevant one is the one that you closed WONTFIX because you don't think anyone's interested or whatever. [16:22:47] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41760 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move timeline scripts to SRF [16:22:58] <MZMcBride> At the moment, Bug Monday is beating spent debating the virtue of Bug Monday. ;-) [16:23:13] <Simetrical> Which by the standard of "say something and close it if no one responds in a couple of weeks" would include like 70% of all currently open bugs. [16:23:20] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: do you have some particular bug in mind where you disagree with wontfix? [16:23:36] <Simetrical> brion, we're currently having violent disagreements about the purpose of Bug Monday, join in! [16:23:48] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41761 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move timeline result printer code to SRF [16:24:11] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, I mainly have a problem with the principles you're laying out. Probably I'd be able to get specific examples if I weren't supposed to be a) writing a paper, b) leaving for school in five minutes. [16:24:20] <brion> morrrrrrnin [16:24:21] <brion> :D [16:24:29] <balasyum> morning, brion [16:24:31] <TimStarling> is it that late? [16:24:38] *TimStarling wonders why he's still awake [16:24:45] <Nikerabbit> the bugday is about fixing bugs and clean up the rotting bugs by requesting info if needed, close bugs that are fixed or are not bugs and otherwise clean things [16:25:01] <TimStarling> daylight savings now as of sunday, I'm +11 [16:25:03] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41762 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Timeline/ (SMW_timeline.js SRF_timeline.js): change to SRF naming scheme [16:25:21] <TimStarling> morning brion [16:25:38] <Simetrical> brion, should bugs be closed WONTFIX just because no one seems interested in fixing them, or only if we think that on principle we would never accept a fix in core? [16:25:56] <siebrand> Nikerabbit: re 4537 : *not the faintest idea* That's a stats issue, isn't it? [16:26:04] <Simetrical> Closing bugs because nobody responds after a while is really obnoxious, it's the kind of thing PHP does with their bugs. [16:26:25] <siebrand> Nikerabbit: needs to have component updated (so that Erik get's it auto assigned) [16:26:54] <PatriciaR> " should bugs be closed WONTFIX just because no one seems interested in fixing them" :S :S [16:27:04] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: I already said, it's about what *should* be done, not if anyone wants to do it [16:27:27] <siebrand> Nikerabbit: will do, just a sec. (Gadgets component) [16:27:43] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, okay, sorry. You said you're closing bugs as WONTFIX if you think they shouldn't be fixed and no one else steps up to defend them after a while. [16:27:49] <brion> Simetrical: if nobody feels like doing it right now, but it sounds like something that should be done, it should remain open [16:27:59] <siebrand> Nikerabbit: already exists in MW Extensions: Gadgets: User-organized JavaScript gadgets extension. [16:28:04] <brion> if we think it *can't* be done in the near term, but we might one day want to revisit the idea, consider using LATER [16:28:12] <brion> if we think it ain't gonna happen, no way no how, then WONTFIX is good [16:28:34] <Simetrical> brion, generally speaking I think that it's better to leave bugs open instead of WONTFIX in case of doubt, though. An aggressive campaign to close old bugs isn't the best use of Bug Monday, IMO. [16:28:49] <Simetrical> People should be spending time *fixing* bugs if possible. [16:29:02] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: only if the issues is so vague or very likely to be wontfix anyway [16:29:19] <Simetrical> . . . well, anyway I have to go, and I don't have time to participate in Bug Monday anyway, so do what you want, I guess. :D [16:29:24] <brion> closing out bugs that we really aren't going to fix is helpful too :) [16:29:29] <brion> as is marking dupes as dupes [16:29:39] <siebrand> oh, I'd like a Bug Monday theme once in a while, too (certain core areas, certain extensions, i18n, etc). [16:29:52] <Simetrical> As long as we *really* aren't going to fix them, and they can't be refiled as extension requests. [16:30:27] *TimStarling made 13 bugfix commits and 2 feature commtis [16:30:31] <brion> :) [16:30:52] <brion> Anybody know of any current remaining issues with image renaming? [16:31:09] <MZMcBride> brion: There's a tracking bug. [16:31:25] <TimStarling> fixed most of the non-enhancement bugs on my assignment list [16:31:34] <brion> TimStarling++ [16:31:35] <DarkoNeko> anithing about image renaming possibility ? [16:31:40] <brion> MZMcBride: show me? [16:31:58] <MZMcBride> brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842 [16:31:59] <brion> wow, i got a few thousands uncaught bounce notification mails today [16:32:13] <Nikerabbit> should this be in the core: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15715 ? [16:32:21] <DarkoNeko> "Now that image renaming is possible" :O it is Oo [16:32:38] <DarkoNeko> \o/ banzai \o/ [16:32:39] *brion looks [16:32:59] <brion> Nikerabbit: i've generally been staying out of the date stuff [16:32:59] <jamie> need help me with this error http://mibbit.com/pb/VxiW7R [16:33:08] <brion> there's several bug entries i think which probably need some merging [16:33:22] <jamie> need help me with this error http://mibbit.com/pb/VxiW7R [16:33:25] <Simetrical> TimStarling, why didn't you just make [[Target|[[Image:Foo.png]]]] work? Because it's more difficult? [16:33:27] <jamie> need help me with this error http://mibbit.com/pb/VxiW7R [16:33:59] <brion> wtf? [16:34:02] <TimStarling> crazy talk [16:34:29] <mowek> need help with this error http://mibbit.com/pb/AQ4psa [16:34:37] <brion> jamie: if you were still here, i'd tell you it sounds like you're running PHP 4.x instead of 5.x [16:35:26] <TimStarling> I fixed that [16:35:36] <brion> hmm, thunderbird is taking its time deleting my bounce messages [16:35:36] <DarkoNeko> jamie_ that's spamming again and get banned. [16:35:52] <jamie_> am srry mibbit is playing with me [16:36:23] <jamie_> i sent the message but it didnt appear here [16:36:36] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) A way to hide the sidebar providing a "fullscreen" view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14501 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:36:37] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, there, that's a case where I disagree with a WONTFIX. [16:36:55] <MZMcBride> jamie_: sounds like you're running PHP 4.x instead of 5.x [16:37:09] <Simetrical> If multiple other devs have commented and not WONTFIXed or suggested WONTFIX, you probably shouldn't WONTFIX. [16:37:10] <TimStarling> r41713, in the weekend bag of fun commit [16:37:16] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41763 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (3 files in 3 dirs): modified timeline code to work in new location [16:37:27] <TimStarling> brion: btw I'm rewriting the installer, made a start on it over the weekend [16:37:55] <RoanKattouw_away> TimStarling: Between all those projects, could you make time for your schema change database server rotation script thingy? [16:38:02] <siebrand> damn, "extensions/" auto complete fails with extension-test.php5 :( [16:38:05] <brion> TimStarling: awesome! [16:38:12] <CIA-6> 03mkroetzsch * r41764 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Outputs.php): Remove remaining timeline references from core code; only CSS remains (solution pending) [16:38:14] <brion> it's needed it for a while :D [16:38:31] <jamie_> ya MZMcBride [16:38:49] <DarkoNeko> TimStarling there was a problem with detecting wether lib2xml was installed correctly, iirc [16:38:59] <jamie_> i just phpinfo'ed the server it [16:39:03] <jamie_> says php 4.4.8 [16:39:03] <TimStarling> I realised that script-style programming is really just an excuse for laziness [16:39:05] <MZMcBride> jamie_: The highest supported version for PHP4 is 1.6.10. [16:39:11] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: afaik the request was about having a element to toggle it on the fly, not automatically sensing the browser [16:39:12] <jamie_> so i have to use 1.6.1? [16:39:14] <jamie_> ya.. [16:39:16] <TimStarling> and that 2000 lines of code in a single file with virtually no functions is just bad code [16:39:23] <RoanKattouw_away> jamie_: No, 1.6.10, there's a difference [16:39:32] <jamie_> oh ya .. [16:39:54] <RoanKattouw_away> Anyway brion could you look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 please? [16:40:00] <jamie_> everything seems to be running fine but this [16:40:02] <TimStarling> siebrand: rename it [16:40:12] <siebrand> TimStarling: oki. [16:40:35] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: so you'be basically changed the request so that it doesn't fit the gadget description anymore [16:40:37] <siebrand> TimStarling: can I put it in tests/? [16:40:42] <TimStarling> no [16:40:45] <TimStarling> since it's not a test [16:40:46] <brion> RoanKattouw_away: i'm tossing that one to cary, if he doesn't have time i'll poke it in a bit :) [16:40:49] <siebrand> right :) [16:41:12] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Javascript conflict between Headertabs and timeline inline queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14897 (10markus) [16:41:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) with format=eventline, each pop-up' s title has a garbled link to the date heading - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15277 (10markus) [16:41:26] <NicDumZ> siebrand, you should try to work in CodeReview to enjoy auto-completion fun :) [16:41:26] <jamie_> thanks will use that now.. [16:41:30] <TimStarling> it has to be web-accessible, which means it can't go in most of those places [16:41:31] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SIMILE Timeline is broken by displaying bulleted or numbered lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14442 (10markus) [16:41:37] <TimStarling> you should just rename it [16:41:41] <TimStarling> php5.php5 [16:41:49] <TimStarling> I considered that filename [16:41:57] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SIMILE timeline sends too many requests for components - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12590 (10markus) [16:42:30] <MZMcBride> Is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14202 a candidate for today? :-) [16:43:13] <brion> MZMcBride: you wanna do it? :D [16:43:24] *MZMcBride has no commit access. ;-) [16:43:27] <TimStarling> the report is wrong, it's not an extension [16:43:28] <siebrand> hmm, typo: TimStartling :) [16:43:35] <MZMcBride> Yes, the report is wrong. [16:43:45] <TimStarling> it could be made an extension [16:43:49] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41765 10/trunk/phase3/ (extension-test.php5 php5.php5): Rename extension-test.php5 to php5.php5 to no break 'extensions/' auto completion (per IRC with TimStarling) [16:44:04] <MZMcBride> I found it searching for a bug about MW's horrible math support. [16:44:15] <MZMcBride> I don't think there's a bug filed about the ridiculous OCaml dependency. [16:44:32] <TimStarling> siebrand: you didn't change it in includes/templates/PHP4.php [16:44:42] <siebrand> TimStarling: right. [16:45:04] <TimStarling> you can't pretend you didn't know, I documented it right there in the file [16:45:11] <TimStarling> no need for a grep [16:45:36] *siebrand is guilty. [16:45:50] <MZMcBride> If we're going to have a math directory, native math support would be nice as well... :-) [16:46:11] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload: can' t save file names with special characters to ntfs filesystem - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15863 +comment (10krimpet) [16:46:21] <KTC> what do you mean by native math support MZMcBride ? [16:46:30] <TimStarling> also the full text of each math fragment needs to go into the tracking table [16:46:46] <MZMcBride> KTC: Anything better than the twelve types of voodoo required to get <math> working currently. [16:47:02] <NicDumZ> thirteen, actually. [16:47:14] <TimStarling> then they can be regenerated on the fly in a 404 handler [16:47:16] <MZMcBride> zomg unlucky thirteen. [16:47:27] <NicDumZ> dzong. [16:47:34] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41766 10/trunk/phase3/includes/templates/PHP4.php: [16:47:38] <CIA-6> * Fix left over from r41765. I am not pretending I didn't know. It was right there in php5.php5. [16:47:38] <CIA-6> * trim trailing spaces while I am here. [16:51:34] <NicDumZ> echo 'y'.'e'.'s' ? :) [16:52:06] <TimStarling> it's like yes [16:52:10] <TimStarling> but with dots [16:55:35] <TimStarling> night [16:57:38] <Leinad> hi, whats mean "Make sure '../extensions/FlaggedRevs' is readable (for CSS/JS)" on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs ? Am I have to change chmod? [17:00:01] <MZMcBride> All right. Math bug filed. [17:00:03] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Enabling TeX (<math>) support should be much simpler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15870 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public) [17:00:12] <brion> Leinad: most of the time you shouldn't have to do anything, i'd imagine [17:00:17] <brion> only if something is weird in your configuration? [17:01:02] <MZMcBride> brion: Can I interest you in an ancient bug that's a relatively simple fix? :-) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 [17:02:36] <Nikerabbit> why does this url throw an exception: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41405 ? [17:03:40] <Leinad> brion: I've got problem with addExtensionStyle() =>http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~leinad/testwiki [17:04:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enabling TeX (<math>) support should be much simpler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15870 (10brion) [17:04:44] <brion> MZMcBride: can you go ahead and do an audit of "image" and "media" namespace names and aliases for all languages? i seem to recall a few used "file" (or the local equivalent) for one or the other [17:04:52] <brion> i want to make sure we won't break any :) [17:05:13] <brion> Nikerabbit: svn proxy not responding fast enough, probably [17:05:22] <brion> which is why i want to load diffs asynchronously [17:05:27] <MZMcBride> A <math> --> image rasterization service would be awesome. :-) [17:05:46] <MZMcBride> Is that what mimetex.cgi does? [17:06:54] <brion> probably [17:07:26] <MZMcBride> Well, it's hella easier to install, that's for sure. ;-) [17:07:27] <brion> interesting, it claims to have no dependencies :) [17:07:29] <brion> wonder how reliable that is [17:07:40] <brion> "as TeX-like as possible (though not 100% compliant)" [17:07:48] <brion> iow probably breaks shit :( [17:08:37] <brion> and the rendering isn't very pretty [17:09:03] <MZMcBride> It's decent. But the main advantage is that it's two commands to install. [17:09:24] <MZMcBride> "unzip mimetex.zip" and "cc -DAA mimetex.c gifsave.c -lm -o mimetex.cgi" [17:09:58] <brion> pretty cool though, yeah [17:10:12] <brion> assuming you have a c compiler :) [17:11:22] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enabling TeX (<math>) support should be much simpler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15870 (10brion) [17:13:14] <MZMcBride> Nikerabbit: You about? [17:13:20] <Nikerabbit> what? [17:13:38] <MZMcBride> Any easy way to get the value of NS_IMAGE in every language from the MediaWiki languages? [17:14:13] <Nikerabbit> for which purpose? [17:14:35] <MZMcBride> Auditing current usage to reduce the likelihood of breakage when Image: is changed to File:. :-) [17:14:51] <Nikerabbit> huge? [17:14:59] <MinuteElectron> There would be none if you put in aliases. [17:15:06] <MZMcBride> Right. [17:15:12] <brion> MZMcBride: grep NS_IMAGE languages/messages/*.php [17:15:14] <brion> should do it :D [17:15:26] *MZMcBride was just reading [[grep]]. ;-) [17:15:28] <brion> MinuteElectron: the issue is that "file" (or local equivalent) may already be in use [17:15:34] <brion> check NS_MEDIA as well [17:15:39] <MinuteElectron> Oh, right. [17:21:00] <MZMcBride> Results: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=217124 [17:21:30] <NicDumZ> Nn uses Fil, sounds bad [17:21:51] <MZMcBride> Would adding an alias really break other languages? [17:22:40] <Thehelpfulone> what does: You do not have permission to move root user pages. mean? [17:23:01] <MZMcBride> You're not an admin and you're trying to move someone else's user page? [17:23:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Image maps fail to scroll in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9126 (10michael.daly) [17:23:24] <CIA-6> 03dale * r41767 10/trunk/extensions/PlayerStatsGrabber/ (4 files): Player Stats Grabber extension stub [17:23:33] <Thehelpfulone> MZMcBride: but i am :S [17:23:36] <NicDumZ> Thehelpfulone, yes. Where does this occur ? (why ? ) [17:23:52] <Thehelpfulone> NicDumZ: http://testwiki.unixpod.com/w/index.php?title=Special:MovePage&action=submit [17:24:00] <NicDumZ> Thehelpfulone, basic install only allowed bureaucrats to do this [17:24:03] <MZMcBride> Do you have the right? [17:24:03] <Thehelpfulone> on a test wiki, i'm a staffer there - highest level of access [17:24:12] <MZMcBride> Check Special:ListGroupRights [17:24:42] <Thehelpfulone> MZMcBride: what's the right called? [17:24:51] <Thehelpfulone> or what do i have to add to localsettings.php to fix it? [17:25:04] <MZMcBride> Something with root in it? [17:25:07] <Thehelpfulone> nope :S [17:25:36] <MZMcBride> "Help. My test wiki using experimental and untested software is broken!" [17:25:40] <MZMcBride> :P [17:25:46] <Thehelpfulone> o.o [17:25:53] <Thehelpfulone> MZMcBride: it's not on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights either [17:25:55] <Thehelpfulone> so :P [17:26:15] <MZMcBride> Right. Because you're using "experimental and untested software," like I said. [17:26:24] <NicDumZ> Thehelpfulone, you're looking for "renameuser-moverootuserpage" [17:27:05] <Thehelpfulone> NicDumZ: hmm, can't find [17:27:29] <NicDumZ> Thehelpfulone, got shell access ? [17:27:30] <MZMcBride> brion: Looks pretty good (though I can't read half of these). The only one that is similar to "File" is "Fil" from MessagesNN.php. [17:27:35] <Thehelpfulone> NicDumZ: yep [17:27:49] <Thehelpfulone> what line should i add in localsettings.php? [17:28:22] <MZMcBride> So we'd have to add aliases for all of these languages... [17:28:30] <NicDumZ> Thehelpfulone, $wgGroupPermissions['your_group']['renameuser-moverootuserpage'] = true; [17:28:40] <Thehelpfulone> NicDumZ: thanks [17:28:42] <NicDumZ> but Thehelpfulone the 'bureaucrat' group should have this perm :( [17:28:45] <CIA-6> 03ialex * r41768 10/trunk/phase3/php5.php5: [17:28:45] <CIA-6> + svn:eol-style native [17:28:45] <CIA-6> - svn:mergeinfo [17:28:57] <Thehelpfulone> NicDumZ: but on this wiki, 'crats can't rename ;) [17:28:59] <MZMcBride> !defaultsettings [17:28:59] --mwbot-- For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>. [17:29:20] <NicDumZ> ah, that's why. [17:30:05] <NicDumZ> Thehelpfulone, it's only meant to prevent peons from wrongly trying to rename their own account move their userpage. Which sometimes creates great mess [17:30:35] <NicDumZ> moving* [17:30:51] <brion> MZMcBride: any "dossier"-like ones? [17:31:00] *brion recalls 'Dosiero' in eo [17:31:04] <MZMcBride> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=217124 [17:31:06] <MZMcBride> That's the list. [17:32:20] <brion> heh, klingon ;) [17:32:25] <brion> languages/messages/MessagesTlh.php: NS_MEDIA => "Doch", [17:32:37] <MZMcBride> Heh. We still bundle that? [17:33:28] <brion> ah good [17:33:30] <brion> NS_IMAGE => 'Dosiero', #FIXME: Check the magic for Image: and Media: [17:33:30] <brion> NS_IMAGE_TALK => 'Dosiera_diskuto', [17:33:31] <MZMcBride> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=217125 <-- Now with less NS_MEDIAWIKI. ;-) [17:33:39] <brion> eo was done in the way that's compatible with the change we want :D [17:34:04] <MZMcBride> Silly grep not being able to read my mind. [17:35:43] <MinuteElectron> SO basically the issue is languages using "File" for NS_MEDIA? [17:35:50] <brion> right [17:36:04] <brion> i'm a little unsure of that norwegian one [17:36:53] <NicDumZ> could have asked, but the nord roommate sleeps now [17:36:57] <brion> heh [17:37:30] <NicDumZ> "wake up, brion wants to know wtf means File" [17:38:11] <brion> this is the internet, dude :) [17:38:14] <brion> we've got #wikipedia-no [17:38:47] <NicDumZ> still, fun to ask the roomies :) [17:40:06] <brion> something like "pointer to file", and that's the nynorsk variant [17:40:12] <brion> crazy nynorskar :) [17:40:24] <brion> that sounds like it shouldn't conflict, so i think we're good [17:46:38] *brion hmms [17:48:26] <brion> seems to work [17:48:31] <brion> breaks a lot of test case output tho :) [17:48:57] <MZMcBride> :-) [17:51:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload: can' t save file names with special characters to ntfs filesystem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15863 (10donpaolo) [17:53:57] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) cursor:help for abbreviations like N (new page), m ( minor edit) and b (bot edit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15871 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (church.of.emacs.ml) [17:54:22] <Mike||food> hey that's a good idea :) [17:55:23] <PatriciaR> yeah :) [17:56:58] <Emufarmers> Hello ;o [17:57:14] <wikibugs> 03(mod) cursor:help for abbreviations like N (new page), m (minor edit) and b (bot edit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15871 (10brion) [17:58:38] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Upload: can' t save file names with special characters to ntfs filesystem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15863 +comment (10brion) [17:58:43] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Can't upload file with non-ASCII name (eg cyrillic) on Windows host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1780 +comment (10brion) [18:01:26] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Cite error: Invalid <references> tag; no input is allowed. Use <references /> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15839 (10N/A) [18:12:18] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Can't upload file with non-ASCII name (eg cyrillic) on Windows host - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1780 (10brion) [18:22:31] <wikibugs> 03(ASSIGNED) Rename the "Image" namespace to "File" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 +comment (10brion) [18:24:35] <Mike||food> brion: perhaps announce that one on a mailing list or two as well? (if you're worried about people's bots breaking etc) [18:25:08] <brion> Mike||food: just went to wikitech-l [18:25:22] <Mike||food> psychic! [18:25:40] <brion> :D [18:56:08] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow images that link somewhere other than the image page ( using normal link syntax) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539 (10N/A) [18:56:27] <CIA-6> 03ialex * r41769 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Fix XHTML error (url not escaped) [19:01:50] <khaur> if a user has checked the "Remember me" box when logging in, is there a way to make mediawiki not remember some specific users so that they have to login again? [19:02:11] <S-i-A> hi [19:02:21] <S-i-A> have fresh media wiki installed [19:02:51] <^demon> khaur: Only way to do that would be to set the cookie expiration to 0, but that would apply to all users, not just some. [19:03:08] <S-i-A> want to change the skins, but is chnged if i loged, and want disable edit from any user. how can i that? [19:03:17] <khaur> ^demon: so there's nothing in the database i could just delete? [19:03:25] <^demon> Nope. [19:03:56] <khaur> damn [19:04:17] <S-i-A> any idea? [19:06:10] <S-i-A> :-( [19:10:37] <ialex> !wg GroupPermissions | S-i-A [19:10:37] --mwbot-- S-i-A: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions [19:13:48] *Splarka wonders if http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=41727 is likely to stick, glances at brion askew, rewrites mw:Help:Linked_images [19:14:01] <CIA-6> 03huji * r41770 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/Nostalgia.php): (bug 15869) Nostalgia skin does not show page title in printable mode [19:14:12] <lch> is this Bug Monday a regular thing, BTW? :) [19:14:33] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow images that link somewhere other than the image page ( using normal link syntax) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539 (10bugs) [19:16:02] <ialex> lch: we already had one this year [19:16:09] <brion> lch: yes! every week from now on [19:16:15] <Splarka> biannually then? [19:16:31] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Nostalgia skin does not show page title in printable pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15869 +comment (10huji.huji) [19:16:44] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow images that link somewhere other than the image page ( using normal link syntax) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539 (10brion) [19:16:46] <brion> Splarka: my only objection is i'd rather have 'link' than 'click' [19:17:18] <Splarka> brion: I'd prefer 'target' [19:17:48] <Splarka> /you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime, you might just find, you get what you need./ [19:18:08] <ende> Can anyone recommend any places that will host mediawiki for free or low cost? [19:18:24] <Splarka> !hosting [19:18:24] --mwbot-- For a list of popular wiki hosting services, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_farms>. You can also set up MediaWiki on most webspace that provides PHP and MySQL (SSH recommended). [19:18:35] <ende> Thanks [19:20:09] <CIA-6> 03ialex * r41771 10/trunk/extensions/PlayerStatsGrabber/ (4 files): svn:eol-style native [19:20:27] *^demon wonders if bug 14418 can get fixed today [19:21:22] <ialex> !bug 14418 [19:21:22] --mwbot-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14418 [19:22:47] *siebrand wonders if the fixed fixmes will be reviewed (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/status/fixme) [19:22:52] <brion-lunch> we'll look after food :D [19:23:09] *^demon posted comments to his commits marked as fixme [19:23:47] <CIA-6> 03huji * r41772 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Nostalgia.php common/wikiprintable.css): (sanitizing r41770) An ID can't be used for two elements [19:24:58] <VasilievVV|NA> brion-lunch: would creation of big button "Mark as OK to sync" available only for you and Tim solve most problems related to liberal access to CodeReview? [19:29:12] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Nostalgia skin does not show page title in printable pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15869 (10huji.huji) [19:33:08] <rodaeche> hello [19:33:39] <rodaeche> how can I restric access by categories? how do I create categories? how do I add users to categories? [19:34:17] <rodaeche> I asked all these in a group of question trying to be more specific, sorry if that was rude [19:34:54] <^demon> 1) You can't. 2) Goto Category:Whatever in your wiki and create the description page. Add [[Category:Whatever]] to an article to put it in the category. 3) If you want a user to be in a category, do like (2). This won't add/remove any priviledges or anything, categories aren't related to group rights. [19:36:01] <rodaeche> I'm trying to restric edit privileges by categories, not access like I said [19:36:27] <^demon> You can't. [19:36:43] <rodaeche> I'll put it on example trying to explain myself, my english isn't the best: [19:36:44] <^demon> You can't control any kind of permissions/access/priviledges/roles by categories. [19:36:54] <rodaeche> mmm [19:37:00] <rodaeche> I see [19:37:11] <rodaeche> Is there a way I could do that? [19:37:19] <^demon> !wgGroupPermissions [19:37:19] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "wggrouppermissions". You might try: !newusergroup [19:37:27] <^demon> !grouppermissions [19:37:27] --mwbot-- For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [19:37:43] <rodaeche> Thanks [19:37:46] <^demon> no problem. [19:38:13] <rodaeche> What I'm trying to do is that some users are allowed to edit certain articles [19:40:06] <Neurosis404> Uhm... hi, I'm from germany, I'm trying to configure my first mediawiki... The only problem that I have at this time is a problem with gif files; when I open an acticle, the gif file isn't animated, only when I enlarge the image... Can someone help me? Hope you understand my request =) [19:40:07] <^demon> There's no built-in per-article restrictions (yet? I think VasilievVV was working on this) [19:40:47] <VasilievVV|NA> ^demon: I have a wikibreak after which I will clean up image moving and per-article restrictions [19:41:24] <^demon> rodaeche: There's your answer ^ [19:41:37] <^demon> VasilievVV|NA: Thanks a bunch on the former :-) [19:41:42] <^demon> And the latter, I suppose. [19:41:48] <khaur> if a user has used the "Remember me" feature and at some point I change their password, are they still remembered or do they have to login again? [19:44:27] <rodaeche> ^demon: Thanks, should I ask VasilievW for this? [19:46:39] <^demon> Politely :-) [19:48:49] <jftsang> Hello. How can I disable editing by all users except for admins for certain namespaces? [19:49:37] <ialex> !wg NamespaceProtection | jftsang [19:49:37] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection [19:50:20] <Splarka> Neurosis404: are you using imagemagick? [19:51:47] <CIA-6> 03rotem * r41773 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he. [19:51:51] <Neurosis404> Splarka: I don' know this tool.. Do I have to use it? [19:51:58] <BjornW> Is there a specific mediawiki extenions / template mailinglist? Or is it acceptable to discuss these on the mediawiki (general) developer list? [19:52:09] <BjornW> oop I meant extensions [19:52:16] <Splarka> Neurosis404: well, what are you using to generate thumbnails? [19:53:15] <Splarka> GD library or ImageMagick or other? [19:53:36] <Neurosis404> I think the users only load the images up.. I'll ask my "test user" ;) [19:53:39] <jftsang> ialex, how do I know what the namespace number is? [19:53:56] <Splarka> Neurosis404: if that were true, then thumbnails would be full size and animated [19:54:05] <Splarka> so you have something resizing them but not properly animating after [19:54:39] <jftsang> Beg your pardon, I got it. Thanks! [19:54:42] <ialex> jftsang: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Namespace#Built-in_namespaces [19:54:48] <ialex> hehe :) [19:57:12] <Neurosis404> So we have to resize the gif files, animate them and then we must upload it again? [19:58:25] <lch> Neurosis404, give a link to the image page in question [19:58:57] <Splarka> Neurosis404: no [19:59:03] <Splarka> but some thumbnailers are better than others [19:59:09] <Neurosis404> http://www.scharesoft.de/joomla/almanach/index.php/Drittes_Reich#Tiber_Septims_Eroberungsz.C3.BCge On the right side, tha map [19:59:18] <Neurosis404> *the map [19:59:40] <Splarka> ImageMagick can thumbnail animated gifs to smaller animated gifs for example [20:01:43] <Splarka> Neurosis404: what are you settings for $wgUseImageResize and $wgUseImageMagick (in LocalSettings.php, or in DefaultSettings.php if not set there) [20:01:57] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41774 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Split date ($2) and time ($3) in 'protect-existing-expiry' per request of a translator. Leaving the old timestamp ($1) in for backward compatibility. [20:02:08] <lch> Neurosis404, unrelated, just curious: what do you use to create those other maps in the wiki? are they drawn or just scanned in graphics? [20:04:00] <Neurosis404> Splarka: I don't know; my link was to our old wiki, the admin is another person, so i can't look for it... [20:04:27] <Neurosis404> lch: the images are not scanned in [20:05:46] <Splarka> Neurosis404: ask them to install ImageMagick and enable via http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseImageMagick and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgImageMagickConvertCommand [20:05:53] <lch> what's the "new wiki" url? or is it empty so far? [20:06:10] <Splarka> although in 1.10 the proper imagemagick commands might not be there, if the image is optimized [20:06:43] <Neurosis404> Here is the new wiki http://85.214.47.69/wiki Relly empty I know :) [20:06:57] <Neurosis404> And here is one test http://85.214.47.69/wiki/index.php/Einigungskriege [20:07:06] <Splarka> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 and quite a few other bugs [20:07:41] <Neurosis404> Once again, sorry if my english is not that perfect,but I'll try ;) [20:07:42] <Splarka> older versions of imagemagick would sometimes badly corrupt anim gifs (and older mediawiki that don't use -coalesce ImageMagick parameter) [20:08:02] <Splarka> reason being: a full anim gif stores each frame in total... [20:08:09] <Splarka> you can optimize this in two main ways... [20:08:25] <Splarka> if say you have a 100x100 gif, and are making a blinking red dot of 20x20 pixels in the middle.. [20:08:40] <Splarka> you can optimize this by having the second frame only be 20x20 at the middle offset (40 down, 40 over) [20:08:52] <Splarka> you can also map pixels that don't change, to transparent [20:09:12] <Splarka> without -coalesce, the red dot however, would be scaled to 100x100 before resizing [20:09:21] <siebrand> Open forum. I need a more descriptive filling for "history-search", the fieldset header at the top of every history page. Throw your suggestions at me, please. Example: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:History-search/nl&action=history&uselang=en ("Search in history") [20:10:40] <CIA-6> 03rotem * r41775 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update. [20:11:29] <Splarka> mmm, not really a search per-se [20:11:45] <Neurosis404> Alright, I will try it out... but not now, tomorrow... If it doesn't work, I'll join the chan again ;) [20:12:09] <Splarka> I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions "Search for contributions" is badly titled, but at least you can enter a username, so it is a search in a way [20:12:20] <Splarka> but for the history, you can only jump to [20:12:37] <Splarka> (unless there are more advanced options outisde of miser mode?) [20:12:50] <Splarka> ^side [20:12:55] <siebrand> I do no know the right word I would need here in English. [20:13:23] <siebrand> "Filter history" or something? [20:13:24] <Splarka> "Jump to history" "Find revision range" "Start in history" "Locate revisions by date" [20:13:27] <Splarka> mmm [20:13:33] <Splarka> not filter, since it just jumps you to a spot [20:13:41] <siebrand> ah, that's how it works. [20:13:46] <siebrand> I've never used it... [20:14:15] <Splarka> time to blame someone! *annotates MessagesEn [20:14:25] <Maxpower57> Is there a way to edit the title of the page without doing a redirect? [20:14:29] <siebrand> Splarka: you can annotate in Betawiki :) [20:14:59] <Splarka> siebrand: just wondering what revision added the message and named it 'history-search' [20:15:02] <siebrand> Splarka: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:History-search/qqq is the current annotation (Fieldset label in the edit history pages.) [20:15:29] <Splarka> siebrand: svn style view=annotate (which is 'blame' in common tongue) [20:15:30] <siebrand> Splarka: blame MessagesEn.php? [20:15:49] <RoanKattouw_away> ^demon: bug 14418 can only be fixed when Tim finishes his schema change database server rotation script thingy. I bugged him about it today, but feel free to continue bugging him [20:16:20] <^demon> :-\ [20:16:31] <Splarka> heh [20:16:54] <Splarka> ahh, ialex [20:17:13] <siebrand> Splarka: rev? [20:17:16] <Splarka> ialex: why'd you call it history-search ? confusing to the translators ^)^ [20:17:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rollback should be unaffected by the spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15450 (10stevend811) [20:17:18] <Splarka> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38514 [20:17:40] <Maxpower57> anyone got any ideas? [20:17:50] <CIA-6> 03aaron * r41776 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (bug 4391) Blocklist filters [20:17:50] <Splarka> although maybe future-proof if full revision search is ever implemented [20:18:04] <ialex> Splarka: because i took this from Special:Contributions ;) [20:18:06] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Filters on Special:Ipblocklist by blocktype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4391 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [20:18:07] <siebrand> Splarka: I'll rename it "fieldset-history", but we still need a better description :) [20:18:34] <Splarka> hmmm [20:18:34] *AaronSchulz makes a patriotic commit :p [20:18:41] *siebrand eeks. [20:18:46] <Splarka> sie: the only 'fieldset' in use is 'undelete-fieldset-title' [20:18:49] <Splarka> perhaps should follow that schema [20:18:59] <Splarka> history-fieldset-title [20:19:17] <Splarka> I like "Jump to date" [20:19:17] <siebrand> Splarka: will do. Still... more important... the description. [20:19:28] <Splarka> but that might be overly technical [20:19:47] <siebrand> kindof possibly ambiguous. [20:20:08] <Splarka> maybe "Show revisions" [20:20:10] <BjornW> What's the mediawiki way of creating urls in a template? [20:20:10] <siebrand> Splarka: but I like it too, and it explains what I know now. [20:20:17] <Splarka> kinda continues the form inner parts [20:20:24] <Splarka> > Search in history [20:20:24] <Splarka> From year (and earlier): [20:20:51] <Splarka> BjornW: same as in wikicode... or what do you mean? [20:21:07] <Splarka> local URLs, local but absolute URLs, external URLs? with/without parameters? [20:21:26] <siebrand> Splarka: revisions usually shows content. [20:21:30] <Splarka> [[Foo]], {{fullurl:Foo|action=edit}}, [http://www.google.com google] [20:21:31] <BjornW> Splarka: I have replaced the default login template and I need a link in there to a page which a user can set in a variable [20:21:46] <siebrand> Time warp :) [20:21:59] <siebrand> "Browse in time"? [20:22:15] <Splarka> {{fullurl:Special:UserLogin|parameter={{urlencode:{{{1|default}}}}} }} [20:22:19] <siebrand> View older history [20:22:23] <Splarka> for example [20:22:30] <siebrand> just brainstorming now. [20:22:31] <Splarka> {{fullurl:Special:UserLogin|uselang={{urlencode:{{{1|en}}}}} }} [20:22:45] <siebrand> Browse history [20:22:46] <Splarka> hmmm, only does year/month, 'date' seems better than 'time' IMHO [20:23:12] <BjornW> Splarka: ok, that makes sense. Thanx. [20:23:31] <Splarka> to give alterate text: [{{fullurl:Special:UserLogin|uselang={{urlencode:{{{1|en}}}}} }} login] [20:23:42] <Splarka> or even replace login with {{{2|login in english}}} [20:24:56] <BjornW> Splarka: so even a Userlogin.php template gets parsed? [20:25:30] <siebrand> Splarka: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating:Tasks&action=history&uselang=en (Put in "Browse history") [20:25:33] *Splarka get confused [20:25:41] <Splarka> do you mean a MediaWiki wikicode template? or a php template? [20:25:57] <siebrand> Splarka: you like? :) [20:25:58] <BjornW> Splarka: sorry, my mistake: php template [20:26:09] <Splarka> ahh, no idea then ^_^ [20:26:20] *Splarka looks at betawiki [20:26:25] <BjornW> Splarka: ok [20:26:31] <Splarka> siebrand: mmm, looks good [20:26:40] <siebrand> Splarka: thanks, then :) [20:26:51] <Splarka> siebrand: I wonder, maybe (Latest | Earliest) View (newer 50) (older 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500) could go inside the fieldset [20:26:58] <Splarka> (or the top one at least) [20:27:44] <siebrand> Splarka: that's a different change request! (feel free to do that, though). I would like that browse bloat to not be there if there is nothing to be browsed. [20:28:11] *Splarka snickers [20:28:30] <Splarka> right, but naming it 'browse' it then can include the action of the latest/numberics [20:30:23] <wikibugs> 03(mod) <source> tag cannot be rendered correctly when more than one tags are in the same line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15333 (10stevend811) [20:31:01] *siebrand points AaronSchulz to messages.inc once more. [20:31:32] <siebrand> AaronSchulz: I'll add it, as I am editing messagesen.php anyway. [20:35:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Please set up a mailing list for the Dutch Wikimania bid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 -shell ; +comment (10cbrown1023) [20:36:05] <Xarion> hey guys, I'm trying to link the mediawiki and a phpbb registration, how can i find out the format of the password binary hash field in the INSERT ? [20:38:35] <Duesentrieb> Xarion: by reading the documentation :) [20:38:40] <Duesentrieb> it's even in the faq [20:38:46] <Xarion> really! [20:38:49] <Xarion> oh my gosh [20:38:53] <Duesentrieb> but you could also just use existing phpbb integration [20:39:19] <Xarion> existing integration! [20:39:51] <Xarion> off to google... [20:40:36] <AlexSm> brion-lunch: I suppose {{ns:image}} will stop working after "Image"->File" rename? then a lot of system messages will have to be fixed [20:41:21] <siebrand> AlexSm: it will not. Image will be an alias. [20:41:47] <Xarion> thanx Duesentrieb :) [20:42:30] <AlexSm> siebrand: well, {{ns:wikipedia}} doesn't work right now although it's an alias [20:42:39] <Roppel> hi all, we are builing up a forum for blackhats, please join and help us: http://www.bhseo.de [20:42:40] <AlexSm> I guess it's a different kind of alias then? [20:43:09] <CIA-6> 03rotem * r41777 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update. [20:43:43] <siebrand_alt> AlexSm: then that's a blocker. [20:44:01] <siebrand> damn hotel wifi is as bad as at home :( [20:44:27] <siebrand> for EUR 24/day one would expect excellent service. @#$* [20:45:18] <MinuteElectron> go complain? [20:45:58] <lch> if there are MediaWiki:Monobook.css and Special:Userpage/Monobook.css both, then which one is applied first? site, then user? [20:45:59] <siebrand> MinuteElectron: sure, there's a 14cpm telephone number (which isn't really the rate if I call it with my Dutch mobile phone in Germany) [20:46:11] <brion> AlexSm: should work fine still [20:46:20] <MinuteElectron> siebrand: Oh, I thought you could just walk down to reception... ;) [20:46:47] <brion> if not, we should test :) [20:47:14] *siebrand grumbles some more as roten is fixing stuff while not being on-channel. [20:47:37] <siebrand> MinuteElectron: I'd have to put my pants on and I do not want to! [20:47:40] <AlexSm> lch: correct, except that user "monobook.css" starts with lower "m" [20:47:55] <lch> ok thanks [20:48:00] <MinuteElectron> siebrand: :D [20:50:25] <Splarka> lch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes [20:51:44] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41778 10/trunk/phase3/ (81 files in 2 dirs): [20:51:44] <CIA-6> * rename 'history-search' to 'history-fieldset-title' and change description (thank you Splarka for talking back) [20:51:44] <CIA-6> * fix a message group comment in messages.inc [20:52:34] <AlexSm> It's just that I wanted to put editprotected requests on some en.wp system messages which use {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Image|... [20:53:15] <AlexSm> and now I don't know if "Image" should be replace to {{ns:image}} or (not user friendly) {{ns:6}} [20:53:35] <ialex> brion: is there any requirement to get coder right on mw.org? :) [20:54:18] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41779 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: Fix on r41778: actually replace 'history-search' by 'history-fieldset-title' in code. [20:56:37] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Please set up a mailing list for the Dutch Wikimania bid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 (10effeietsanders) [20:58:56] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) Please set up a mailing list for the Dutch Wikimania bid - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 +comment (10notafishz) [20:59:12] <brion> ialex: i have to trust you not to review your own or other peoples' code that's bad ;) [20:59:32] <ialex> brion: this is mainly to set tags [21:00:48] <brion> VasilievVV|NA: re "mark ok to sync", in theory that's what "ok" status is for [21:02:03] <brion> wtf "Magic word 'noheader' not found" [21:02:42] <lch> is there a template to convert dates like 9/26/06 to "September 26th, 2006" ? as in, enter three numbers, receive text? [21:02:51] <ialex> brion: and if you clear the opcode cache? [21:02:59] <ialex> (i had the same issue) [21:03:59] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Please set up a mailing list for the Dutch Wikimania bid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15862 (10cbass) [21:04:13] <brion> seem ok after svn up [21:04:39] *lch found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:ISO_date_templates [21:05:43] <wikibugs> 03(mod) <source> tag cannot be rendered correctly when more than one tags are in the same line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15333 (10brion) [21:07:37] <Splarka> lch: you might need ParserFunctions #date for some, just be aware [21:09:40] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41780 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (32 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-10-06 23:00 CEST) [21:11:09] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) enhancement of importTextFile.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15872 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (alessandra.bilardi) [21:11:42] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41781 10/trunk/extensions/ (29 files in 27 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-10-06 23:00 CEST) [21:12:05] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename the "Image" namespace to "File" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 (10brion) [21:16:40] <CIA-6> 03raymond * r41782 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 6 dirs): [21:16:40] <CIA-6> * Format page protection warning identical to similar warnings [21:16:41] <CIA-6> * Move these lines to shared.css [21:25:51] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Can't upload file with non-ASCII name (eg cyrillic) on Windows host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1780 +comment (10krimpet) [21:29:22] <siebrand> AaronSchulz: I thnk the blocklist filters may be slightly broken. [21:29:33] <siebrand> AaronSchulz: see http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:IPBlockList [21:30:17] <siebrand> AaronSchulz: if I were to click "Hide single IP blocks", I would expect the top entry to remain. Is that correct? (as it does not now) [21:33:04] <CIA-6> 03siebrand * r41783 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Remove 'their' from 'blocklist-nousertalk' [21:33:46] <Simetrical> Nikerabbit, it's reasonable to alter bug reports that we wouldn't implement as-is to things that we would implement. But I don't think an unobtrusive "collapse" button on the sidebar would necessarily be a bad idea, or hypothetically some kind of grippy-bar that you could drag to the left to collapse it. Whether the feature would be a good idea depends on the exact implementation, but I don't think we should rule out the idea entirely. [21:34:17] <siebrand> Simetrical: Niklas it most probably in bed (UTC +3 in Finland) [21:34:27] <MZMcBride> We're back on that? [21:34:33] <Simetrical> Well, I was away when I got his message, so fair's fair. :) [21:34:43] *siebrand grins at Simetrical. [21:35:00] <MZMcBride> I was thinking about this during the day. It's not as though WONTFIX'd bugs are deleted. We can always re-review them. [21:35:11] <MZMcBride> Same (obviously) with bugs marked LATER. [21:35:14] <MZMcBride> So... meh. [21:35:41] <Simetrical> They're made more obscure, and furthermore we're telling the bug filers that we think their idea is bad (when we might not actually think that). [21:36:09] <Splarka> speaking of [21:36:26] <Simetrical> I keep on referring to PHP here, because their handling of bugs is exactly how not to do it. It's infuriating to regularly find perfectly reasonable reports closed for all sorts of stupid reasons -- probably at root because they want to minimize the number of open bugs. [21:37:05] <Mike_lifeguard> WONTFIX is for things that are not getting done - using that to mark things which are "we didn't hear back from you" or "better implemented as an extension" etc is incorrect. [21:37:18] <Mike_lifeguard> how is that confusing? [21:38:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Can't upload file with non-ASCII name (eg cyrillic) on Windows host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1780 (10brion) [21:38:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Convert line endings to \r\n when sending mail under Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7438 (10brion) [21:38:46] <Simetrical> It's for things that will *never* be done. [21:39:12] <brion> can somebody take a peek at mail sending functions to see if 7438 is still an issue? [21:39:54] <Simetrical> In particular, I don't think any junior dev should be unilaterally marking stuff WONTFIX unless it's really blatantly stupid, since if anyone else is willing to commit a fix they don't really have any right to revert it, so they can't guarantee it's not going to get in the software. [21:39:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) enhancement of importTextFile.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15872 (10brion) [21:40:28] <Simetrical> Hmm, I don't have Windows, so I can't really test 7438. [21:41:20] <Simetrical> Doesn't the SMTP standard specify \n for line endings? Or else specify that receivers have to be line-ending-agnostic? Or is it too old for that or something? [21:41:59] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Convert line endings to \r\n when sending mail under Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7438 +testme (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:42:08] <Splarka> 1138 wontfix, how Lucasy [21:42:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) enhancement of importTextFile.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15872 (10brion) [21:47:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Return to [[Main Page]]" should link to the last page you were on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15451 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [21:52:40] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Return to..." should link to the last page you were on in all cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15451 summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard) [21:52:46] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Return to..." should link to the last page you were on in all cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15451 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:55:03] <wikibugs> 03(mod) enhancement of importTextFile.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15872 (10brion) [21:55:26] <brion> Simetrical: i think you're supposed to do \r\n actually [21:55:32] <Simetrical> Hmm. [21:55:35] <brion> but some mailers are pissy one way or the other :) [21:58:22] <Splarka> mmm, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166 is WONTFIX, but was it fixed in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=30871 (along with 12968) ? [21:59:03] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Keep consistent naming conventions for special pages ( ie CamelCase) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15873 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mikelifeguard) [22:00:18] <Simetrical> Why should anyone's script breaks if the capitalization of the canonical special page name changes? They're supposed to be case-insensitive. [22:01:08] *siebrand nods at Simetrical. [22:01:19] <Mike_lifeguard> eh? they definitely have case, and I'm pretty sure in equalities case matters... [22:01:32] <siebrand> Simetrical: it was indeed my understanding that special page capitalisation is purely a visual thing. [22:01:37] <Mike_lifeguard> 'Linksearch' != 'LinkSearch', I think [22:01:57] <Splarka> think everyone is going to do wgCanonicalSpecialPageName.toLowerCase() ? [22:02:08] <siebrand> Mike_lifeguard: Special:LINksEACh is the same as Special:Linksearch. [22:02:26] <siebrand> Mike_lifeguard: aside from the spelling error :) [22:02:27] <reedy> the first is missing an r :P [22:02:58] <Simetrical> Splarka, the JS variable should maybe be lowercased to begin with. [22:03:03] <Splarka> var wgCanonicalSpecialPageName = "CrossNamespaceLinks"; [22:03:04] <Mike_lifeguard> Splarka: help? when checking wgCanonicalSpecialPageName == 'AnyThing' does case matter? [22:03:08] <Simetrical> Mike_lifeguard, yes. [22:03:09] <Splarka> var wgCanonicalSpecialPageName = "Specialpages"; [22:03:18] <Splarka> var wgPageName = "Special:SpecialPages"; [22:03:26] <Splarka> it is very inconsistent [22:03:27] <Simetrical> String comparison is case-sensitive in JS as in all programming languages I've heard of. [22:03:39] <Mike_lifeguard> right, so... [22:03:45] <Mike_lifeguard> and we want consistency regardless [22:03:46] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Can't upload file with non-ASCII name (eg cyrillic) on Windows host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1780 (10dj.bauch) [22:04:27] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Keep consistent naming conventions for special pages ( ie CamelCase) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15873 +comment (10cbrown1023) [22:04:37] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Capitalization consistency in special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11986 +comment (10cbrown1023) [22:04:44] <siebrand> discussing the capitalisation of special pages is probably a bikeshed problem. Have fun :) [22:04:58] <Splarka> siebrand: the problem is in what wgCanonicalSpecialPageName returns, for example [22:05:17] <Splarka> [[Special:SpecialPages]] gives wgPageName = "Special:SpecialPages" but wgCanonicalSpecialPageName = "Specialpages"; [22:05:37] <Splarka> [[Special:CrossNamespaceLinks]] gives "CrossNamespaceLinks" and "Special:CrossNamespaceLinks" [22:05:52] <Splarka> ^ that at least should be consistent [22:06:21] <Splarka> Specialpages 30x to SpecialPages, but the canonical is being reported as Specialpages [22:06:38] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Capitalization consistency in special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11986 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [22:07:20] <Simetrical> Are we still maintaining Parser_OldPP? [22:08:48] <Splarka> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177 <-- this WONTFIX sure seems resolved ^_^ [22:08:57] <Splarka> with cascading and autoconfirm protection [22:12:40] <Skizzerz> {{so mark it as FIXED}} [22:13:37] <Splarka> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245#c12 haha [22:21:22] <MZMcBride> Simetrical: Yes, I believe so. [22:22:09] <MZMcBride> Mike_lifeguard: Which Special page doesn't use CamelCase? [22:22:47] <Mike_lifeguard> as their /name/ ? none, I think [22:22:56] <MZMcBride> Casey mis-duped. [22:22:59] <Mike_lifeguard> however there are other issues, which I noted [22:23:10] <MZMcBride> Yeah, that's a separate bug (in my mind, at least). [22:23:12] *Mike_lifeguard mehs... as long as it gets fixed [22:23:49] <brion> Splarka: :D [22:23:51] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Capitalization consistency in special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11986 -need-review -patch +easy (10public) [22:24:27] <worby> Mike_lifeguard, well then you were confusing :p [22:24:52] <Mike_lifeguard> Hardly. [22:25:15] *Splarka wontfixes brion [22:25:30] <MZMcBride> Should I / can I change the ancient bugs? [22:26:31] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) Allow specific users to edit otherwise blocked articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15821 +comment (10matthew.britton) [22:27:04] <MZMcBride> Hmm. Bad close there. [22:28:02] <lch> * Splarka wontfixes brion <= LOL [22:32:57] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Allow specific users to edit otherwise blocked articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15821 +comment (10public) [22:41:49] <Sean_Colombo> last night I cleared out all of my MW-core hacks into extensions (thanks to help from Krimpet)... [22:41:52] <Sean_Colombo> but now I'm curious... [22:41:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow specific users to edit otherwise blocked articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15821 (10matthew.britton) [22:42:13] <Sean_Colombo> how can you have SVN for your deployment-specific code overlap the MediaWiki code? [22:42:27] <Sean_Colombo> or do you just have to keep the core MW and site-specific stuff in different directories? [22:45:37] <Mike_lifeguard> The core and extension code is separate (in /extensions) [22:45:54] <Mike_lifeguard> extension code is included from LocalSettings.php [22:46:12] <Sean_Colombo> hmm [22:46:18] <Sean_Colombo> i keep stuff in my root directory too though [22:46:30] <Sean_Colombo> like .htaccess and favicon.ico for instance [22:47:02] <Sean_Colombo> it's probably not safe to overlap my SVN w/MediaWiki's SVN on my own filesystem though. I guess I kinda answered my own question :-/ [22:49:26] <Mike_lifeguard> dunno 'bout that :) [22:52:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow specific users to edit otherwise blocked articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15821 (10public) [22:55:49] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Capitalization consistency in special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11986 (10brion) [23:05:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow images that link somewhere other than the image page ( using normal link syntax) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [23:10:04] <brion> 4 previously passing test(s) now FAILING! :( [23:10:04] <brion> * Right-aligned image [Introduced between 06-Oct-2008 18:04:33, 1.14alpha (r41626) and 06-Oct-2008 23:07:46, 1.14alpha (r41783)] [23:10:05] <brion> * Image with caption [Introduced between 06-Oct-2008 18:04:33, 1.14alpha (r41626) and 06-Oct-2008 23:07:46, 1.14alpha (r41783)] [23:10:05] <brion> * Centre-aligned image [Introduced between 06-Oct-2008 18:04:33, 1.14alpha (r41626) and 06-Oct-2008 23:07:46, 1.14alpha (r41783)] [23:10:06] <brion> * None-aligned image [Introduced between 06-Oct-2008 18:04:33, 1.14alpha (r41626) and 06-Oct-2008 23:07:46, 1.14alpha (r41783)] [23:11:29] <brion> we seem to have lost a <span> [23:13:39] <_mary_kate_> i wonder if the post-commit hook could trigger a test run. that/d be useful [23:13:56] <brion> yep, that's one thing i'd like to add :) [23:15:02] <brion> wasn't 41727 that broke it :( [23:15:48] <MZMcBride> Didn't Tim remove a <span> from ImageMap? [23:17:37] <Splarka> in 41724 [23:17:56] <MZMcBride> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php?r1=41724&r2=41723&pathrev=41724 Indeed. [23:18:05] <Splarka> not just from ImageMap [23:18:14] <brion> these are in core [23:18:21] <Splarka> from all images [23:18:26] <MZMcBride> Well, it was removed from Linker.php... [23:18:42] <Splarka> _for_ imagemap, since imagemap can generate block level crap, invalid inside a <span> ^_^ [23:18:44] <brion> ok, why was the <span> there in the first place? [23:19:53] <MZMcBride> !r 24808 [23:19:53] --mwbot-- http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=24808 [23:20:07] <brion> doesn't appear to be referenced in styles [23:20:20] <MZMcBride> What Tim giveth Tim taketh away? [23:20:40] <brion> MZMcBride: the <span> was in the previous version as well [23:20:42] <Splarka> !r 22385 [23:20:42] --mwbot-- http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=22385 [23:20:53] <Splarka> heh [23:20:53] <MZMcBride> Heh. [23:20:59] <brion> :P [23:21:44] <CIA-6> 03aaron * r41784 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialIpblocklist.php: Query and UI cleanup [23:21:52] <Splarka> time to change the parser test there ^_^ [23:22:06] <MZMcBride> It's from the days of 'vibber'? [23:22:13] <Splarka> indeed [23:22:26] <brion> so it predates splitting Linker from Skin [23:23:24] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Provide per-namespace site notices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4469 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [23:23:36] <MZMcBride> Aha! [23:23:42] <MZMcBride> I was looking for that bug last night. [23:23:45] <Splarka> 3672 ... [23:24:09] <Simetrical> brion, by the way, parsertests are still broken for me. [23:24:11] <Simetrical> I should file a bug. [23:24:12] <Splarka> damn, time travel is hard work [23:25:16] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Provide per-namespace site notices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4469 +comment (10public) [23:25:28] <brion> r2953 added it [23:25:38] <brion> * aditional span / div inside floated image-div to allow better css styling [23:25:47] <Splarka> and yet, never used it [23:25:48] <brion> a span... that... we... don't... use [23:26:06] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) More formatting options for Special:Allpages and Special: Prefixindex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12597 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:27:24] <TimStarling> <span>hello</span> [23:27:41] <Alexfusco5> brion: how long would it probably take to rename Special:Blockip to special:Block and special:ipblocklist to Special:Blocklist? [23:28:00] *brion fixes up the tests... [23:28:10] <brion> TimStarling: :D [23:28:21] <brion> TimStarling: any objection to changing 'click' to 'link' on that image parameter? [23:28:39] <TimStarling> no [23:28:47] <brion> w00t [23:29:07] <brion> missed one, trying again [23:30:42] <Emufarmers> TimStarling: why should ParserFunctions not be merged to the core? [23:30:59] <Simetrical> Alexfusco5, I did rename Special:BlockIP to Special:Block, IIRC, but Brion reverted. Or maybe it was Special:BlockUser. [23:31:06] <CIA-6> 03brion * r41785 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: [23:31:06] <CIA-6> Cleanup for r41724: parser test cases altered by removal of unneeded <span> in floating thumb. [23:31:06] <CIA-6> The stray <span> was added by Gabriel Wicke in r2953 "to allow better css [23:31:06] <CIA-6> styling", but doesn't appear to have been really used. Doesn't seem any clear [23:31:06] <CIA-6> benefit to it, and it causes problems with fancy media types like OggHandler, so [23:31:06] <CIA-6> let's kill it and fix the tests. :) [23:31:21] <Simetrical> "Blockip" is what, four or five years out of date? [23:31:23] <Alexfusco5> Simetrical: oh [23:31:30] <brion> i think it was BlockUser and i said "why no tjust call it Block?" [23:31:31] <Alexfusco5> same with ipblocklist [23:31:49] <TimStarling> because it's big [23:31:52] <Alexfusco5> brion: can you also do blocklist (or allow Simetrical too :p ) [23:31:54] <TimStarling> what's wrong with it being an extension? [23:32:10] <AaronSchulz> heh, $wgRenameUserCheckRootUserpageMoves [23:32:15] <AaronSchulz> brion: that is a long var :) [23:32:16] <MZMcBride> Oh, God. Speaking of huge pages. Anything we can do about [[Special:AllMessages]]? [23:32:23] <Simetrical> ImageMap is too specialized to be in core, IMO. It's not really needed for almost all users. [23:32:29] <Emufarmers> Er, nothing: you just didn't give a reason when you removed it [23:32:44] <MZMcBride> Simetrical: Agreed. Esp. with the addition of click= / link= syntax. [23:32:49] <Simetrical> Modularity is good. [23:33:23] <brion> MZMcBride: add a pager and a functional search? [23:33:37] <brion> and some kind of decent view for big messages? [23:33:51] <Emufarmers> And the only thing I would say about ParserFunctions is that I see a lot of people setting up wikis and wondering why the templates they got from Wikipedia don't work [23:33:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Export should use the table "page_restrictions" and not the field of the table "page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9226 (10JSchulz_4587) [23:34:26] <MZMcBride> brion: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15389 ;-) [23:34:33] <brion> Emufarmers: that's why i've recommended bundling some extensions with the default distro [23:34:37] <brion> but we haven't got round to it [23:35:03] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Special:AllMessages is too large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15389 summary; +comment (10public) [23:35:35] <Splarka> brion: how about Special:Allmessages?action=raw (similar to Statistics raw), that gives you a text/plain view similar to MessagesXx.php [23:35:46] <Splarka> easy to ctrl-f and fast to load anyway [23:36:19] <MZMcBride> Special:AllMessages. * ;-) [23:36:57] <Splarka> until special camel casing is consistent I won't use it [23:37:16] <AaronSchulz> brion: why is $wgMinimalPasswordLength set to 0 be default? [23:37:31] <AaronSchulz> acts oddly with prefs (bug 10250) [23:37:36] <AaronSchulz> *by [23:39:20] <MZMcBride> I think a new namespace might be best. [23:39:49] <MZMcBride> (Yeah, yeah, this has been brought up before.) [23:41:05] <brion> AaronSchulz: presumably for back-compat with when we had no minimum [23:41:12] <brion> it shouldn't interact badly with prefs, what's the issue? [23:42:19] <AaronSchulz> prefs thinks setting it to blank is "not trying to set it at all" [23:42:26] <AaronSchulz> but it still says "successful" :s [23:43:26] <brion> :P [23:43:40] <brion> well, here's my recommendation [23:43:52] <brion> sticking a password change randomly in the preferences form is really nasty [23:44:03] <brion> let's make it a separate form, and link to it from prefs [23:44:26] <MZMcBride> Oooh, can that also be used by stewards for password resets? [23:44:33] <brion> well [23:44:39] <brion> might be good to peek at PasswordReset extension [23:44:47] <brion> see if that should be adapted and brought into core :) [23:45:00] <MZMcBride> Apparently Tim reviewed it and it's not a good situation. [23:45:09] <Splarka> ahh, but then what would you camel case it? [23:45:16] <Splarka> SetPassWord or SetPassword [23:45:26] <Splarka> Pass and Word are separate words, but can be a single word in Password [23:45:35] <MZMcBride> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15859 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177 [23:45:42] <Splarka> (this is the sort of crap you have to anticipate now, in a camel world) [23:45:53] <MZMcBride> Splarka: It's "password". [23:45:55] <brion> AaronSchulz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41784#c118 ? [23:45:57] <MZMcBride> Like "watchlist". [23:46:06] <brion> password is a word. :) [23:46:13] <Splarka> so are Pass and Word [23:46:34] <brion> so are "re" and "ad", but we don't say ReAd when we mean Read [23:46:44] <Simetrical> So are "Pas" and "Sword". [23:46:47] <brion> :D [23:46:51] <Simetrical> (if you count foreign languages, anyway) [23:46:58] <Splarka> ahh, but password = pass + word [23:47:08] <Splarka> re + ad doesn't make up component meanings to read [23:47:17] <Splarka> unless you're referencing reading ads, heh [23:47:21] <brion> it's a compound word, which makes it one word [23:47:22] <brion> deal with it [23:47:29] <Splarka> in english, sure... [23:47:39] <Splarka> but in all (n) languages? X_X [23:47:44] <brion> i declare vendetta on this conversation [23:48:03] <MZMcBride> It's a [[contraction (grammar)]] actually. :P [23:49:56] <_mary_kate_> MZMcBride: are you sure about that? according to wikipedia, 'barefoot' is not a contraction, but a compound word; and they're always called compounds in german, for example [23:50:06] <Emufarmers> Pretty sure a contraction has to elide letters [23:51:12] <MZMcBride> I always learned that it was a contraction, like "rainbow" ... [23:51:41] <Emufarmers> No, that's just a compound word. Assuming "rainbow" didn't arise independently [23:51:45] <CIA-6> 03aaron * r41786 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Export.php: (bug 9226) Fetch restrictions properly on export [23:51:52] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Export should use the table "page_restrictions" and not the field of the table "page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9226 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:53:16] <Emufarmers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_compound >_> [23:53:32] <brion> ah, that reminds me -- let's fix bugzilla to point at codereview :D [23:53:37] <MZMcBride> Obviously CIA disinformation. [23:53:40] <Splarka> http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=vendetta [23:54:04] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Allow specific users to edit otherwise blocked articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15821 (10Andrew) [23:54:19] <Splarka> brion: would you put a <form> in prefs linking to Special:ChangePass or just a link like <a href="/wiki/Special:ChangePass?user=You"> ? [23:54:36] <brion> a link would be fine [23:54:58] <MZMcBride> What's the benefit of a separate page again? [23:55:20] <Splarka> and Special:ChangePass without parameter would ask for username... if user had ['changepasswords']? ^_^ [23:55:52] *Splarka idly wonders if <form> can legally be nested, doubts it [23:55:56] <MZMcBride> I think a Log would be a Very Good Thing if stewards were given the ability to change others' passwords. [23:56:36] <Emufarmers> Splarka: Wouldn't the link be more like /wiki/Special:ChangePass/You ? [23:57:12] <TimStarling> I don't see many bugfix commits from you yet brion [23:57:17] <CIA-6> 03aaron * r41787 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPreferences.php: (bug 10250) New password submission oddness for empty passwords [23:57:26] <brion> TimStarling: :) [23:57:30] <Splarka> Emufarmers: I'd feel safer if it wasn't wikilinkable ^_^ [23:57:30] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) No error message given when password is rejected for being empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10250 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [23:57:34] <brion> i'm mostly commenting and reviewing fixes [23:57:36] <Splarka> [[Special:ChangePass/Foo]] [23:57:37] *brion is a meta-fixer [23:57:47] <TimStarling> right [23:57:52] <TimStarling> a bugzilla troll [23:57:53] <AaronSchulz> brion: code review is a little behind :p [23:57:56] <TimStarling> ;) [23:58:24] *brion hmmms at r41786 [23:58:47] <AaronSchulz> 10574 Export pages should allow to export all pages [23:58:52] *AaronSchulz gigglles [23:59:25] <Emufarmers> Splarka: But you can do Special:UserRights/Foo [23:59:47] <Emufarmers> And Special:Blockip/Foo [23:59:50] <brion> AaronSchulz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41786#c121 [23:59:54] <Splarka> not nearly so drastic, Emufarmers