[00:00:18] i changed StartProfiler to: [00:00:23] require_once( dirname(__FILE__).'/includes/Profiler.php' ); [00:00:24] $wgProfiler = new Profiler; [00:00:55] ohoh, to whom must i apply for apihighlimits rights? [00:01:02] on wikipedia, that is [00:01:21] i'll ask in wm-tech [00:06:43] Is there a way to search several categories on MediaWiki? without using extensions? [00:07:35] Search how? [00:08:23] I have version 1.11.0, n the search box on the left of any mediawiki installation [00:09:12] MZMcBride: you said earlier that i had a bad row in my db... is there a way i can just fix the bad row? [00:09:27] I have looked over Wikipedia Help and Category intersection. [00:09:39] Sean_Colombo: There may be a maintenance script. [00:09:55] MZMcBride: what is bad about the row? .... like what's different? [00:10:19] It has an empty title, likely. [00:10:24] i don't have any of those [00:10:32] i've triple-checked [00:12:15] i've spent two 12-hour days now trying to fix _just_ this problem (because several SpecialPages broken on my production site)... i would be �ber-greatful if someone could just help me find which row is killing me [00:17:42] :( [00:18:26] 03(FIXED) Cite error: Invalid tag; refs with no name must have content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15770 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:19:03] Simetrical: Got a second? [00:19:08] MZMcBride, maybe. [00:19:30] Quick question: Does the implementation of MediaWiki:Handheld.css resolve https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882 [00:20:19] ? [00:20:20] Personally, I think so. [00:20:20] MZMcBride, I don't know, try reading it on a handheld. [00:20:20] I've never used a handheld device to browse the Internet in my life, so I wouldn't know. [00:29:07] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:36:29] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10mikelifeguard) [00:45:43] refrase question: Is there a way to search several categories at once on MediaWiki? [01:33:59] 03dale * r41825 10/trunk/extensions/PlayerStatsGrabber/ (5 files): capture stats updates [01:50:56] 03(mod) Interproject links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708 +comment (10kooliamdabest) [01:57:24] 03river * r41826 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSapc.spec TScurl.spec TSlighttpd.spec TSphp.spec): [01:57:24] TSlighttpd: new spec [01:57:24] TScurl: new version 7.19.0 [01:57:24] TSapc, TSphp: fix build dependencies [01:59:11] 03river * r41827 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [01:59:16] TSpkgbuild: new spec [01:59:16] TSlibmcrypt: new spec [01:59:16] TSphp: build with mcrypt [02:01:23] You can use multiple shared repositories on MediaWiki now, right? I have some people on meta going all [citation needed] over tht [02:01:38] I have no idea, why would you want to? [02:01:52] <_mary_kate_> the new filerepo stuff is very flexible, you cna do just about anything you want if you don't mind writing some code [02:07:38] Simetrical: so we can have all CopyrightByWikimedia images on Meta and only free images on Commons [02:07:45] but still use everything everywhere [02:07:52] All . . . ten of them? [02:07:54] We want to have our cake and eat it too! [02:08:01] oh, there's /tons/ of them [02:08:08] Twenty? [02:08:27] Somehow I doubt the sysadmins are going to be willing to set up a second shared repo for this, but you can ask them, I guess. [02:09:04] I think Meta is a better place for that in general, for stuff like logos and also stuff for Wikipedia documentation [02:09:32] Oh, I see, anything that includes the logo anywhere in it is counted. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyright_by_Wikimedia [02:09:41] Does Commons reject photographs of buildings that have company logos on them? [02:09:54] srsly. [02:09:55] they're often considered de minimis [02:10:03] Commons is crazy sometimes. [02:10:19] Viper550, yeah, and having the logo in the corner should be just as de minimis. [02:10:46] bbut in our view, it makes the entire image non-free [02:10:54] and this, completely counteracts our goal [02:10:59] This one doesn't even have a logo anywhere in it. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:12-wikiedycja.png [02:11:19] Not to mention, it has about seven licenses and some of them flat-out contradict others. [02:11:38] it depends - de minimis is determined on a case-by-case basis [02:11:46] It's GPLd twice over? [02:12:10] you can't simply assume all CBW images are ok, and some demonstrably aren't [02:12:21] however that's irrelevant - we just wanted to confirm you can have 2 media repositories [02:12:34] *Viper550 fixes [02:13:21] It's probably possible but probably too much of a pain for anyone to be willing to do it, is my guess. [02:13:36] You could ask Tim or someone if you like, when they're around. [02:15:50] I tried to nuke alot of CbW images that wern;t specifically depicting WP [02:16:27] well, we need consensus first :) [02:29:39] 03aaron * r41829 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: (bug 11904) Add edit links to template list on edit form [02:29:49] 03river * r41830 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSslang.spec: new version 2.1.4 [02:30:04] 03(FIXED) "Templates used on this page" should have edit links after them if they editable. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11904 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [02:30:30] AaronSchulz: Nice. :-) [02:39:00] so will that appear tommorow or something? [02:42:56] or until brion swings the revert-hammer ;) [02:43:02] 03(mod) Pages hard to read with handhelds (PDA, cell phone) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882 +comment (10public) [03:19:53] Is there someone i may talk to about MediaWiki & JFusion (A component for Joomla!)? [04:05:30] would anybody know why i get this error message? [04:05:30] Warning: xcache_unset() [function.xcache-unset]: xcache.var_size is either 0 or too small to enable var data caching in /home/.bagatelle/luna6/asianmediawiki.com/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 607 [04:05:56] dreamhost is telling me : As you can see by going here: [04:05:57] http://asianmediawiki.com/phpinfo.php [04:05:57] XCache is indeed enabled on your php instance for "asianmediawiki.com": [04:05:57] "This program makes use of the Zend Scripting Language Engine: [04:05:57] Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2007 Zend Technologies [04:05:57] with Zend Extension Manager v1.2.2, Copyright (c) 2003-2007, by Zend [04:05:59] Technologies [04:06:01] with XCache v1.2.2, Copyright (c) 2005-2007, by mOo [04:06:03] with Zend Optimizer v3.3.3, Copyright (c) 1998-2007, by Zend [04:06:05] Technologies" [04:06:07] I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but if there's anything else I can [04:06:09] help you with, please let me know. [04:06:11] happened out of the blue last thursday [04:33:02] luna6: it means xcache needs configured [04:38:16] ok... [04:38:32] guess its hard to answer but how do you configure it? [04:44:44] 03aaron * r41831 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (bug 15432) Contribs links at blockip. Moved "edit" message and shorten some. [04:44:52] 03(FIXED) Add link to contributions on Special:BlockIP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15432 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [06:34:16] 03(mod) make #time work with pre-1970 dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11686 (10N/A) [06:35:59] 03(mod) make #time work with pre-1970 dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11686 +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking) [06:44:17] 03raymond * r41832 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [06:44:17] Cleanup for r41831: [06:44:18] * Typo in message name [06:44:18] * Add new message to messages.inc [06:50:43] 03(NEW) descending tablesort broken for negative numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15890 minor; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (osrc-sysint) [06:50:52] 04(REOPENED) Supporting directionality for references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13673 +comment (10huji.huji) [06:54:14] 03rotem * r41833 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update. [07:10:55] *Werdna waves [07:23:23] <_wooz> lo [08:23:38] 03(mod) Supporting directionality for references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13673 (10N/A) [08:30:45] 03siebrand * r41834 10/trunk/extensions/PlayerStatsGrabber/PlayerStatsGrabber.i18n.php: Improve messages, update formatting [08:33:11] Hi, can someone suggest what may be causing this error: http://www.linux-corner.info/beyondthepale/ [08:33:27] I have no files at all in the mediawiki directory with a .frm extension [08:34:49] excuse me: [08:34:51] What does this mean: [08:34:53] Fatal error: AutoLoader::require() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/home/a7911855/public_html/w/languages/Language.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/a7911855/public_html/w/includes/AutoLoader.php on line 507 [08:39:42] Aleenf1: what's the other error message? [08:43:26] Aleenf1: that error should be accompanied by another message [08:43:27] hi tim [08:45:50] 03siebrand * r41835 10/trunk/extensions/PlayerStatsGrabber/ (5 files): Updating indentation, run stylize.php, removing whitespace [08:46:11] Werdna, sorry, have some food [08:46:48] Werdna, only 1 [08:47:02] well, does that file exists? [08:47:05] exist* [08:47:08] yeah [08:47:50] is 1.13.2 version,now i'm try to upgrade [08:48:02] work in previus 2 [08:49:55] Aleenf1: there should be another line saying "access denied" or "file not found" or some such. [08:50:02] which would tell you the reason it could not be opened. [08:50:10] my guess would be bad file permissions. [08:51:43] ooh, yeah, firebug access [08:52:30] i try again [08:52:58] chmod 644, wrong? [08:54:38] 03(mod) descending tablesort broken for negative numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15890 (10osrc-sysint) [09:00:25] ok, got it, languages file missing, should be fix now! [09:01:38] thanks, Duesentrieb, Werdna [09:01:50] we didn't do anything :P [09:02:13] at least [09:06:37] Hello everybody [09:06:48] I have written some improvements to an extension [09:07:06] What is the best way to publish them [09:07:08] ? [09:08:02] olenz: bugzilla [09:08:24] how can I insert html symbols and special characters in a page without them being applied. Such as » ? [09:08:42] Werdna: thx [10:07:25] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10tstarling) [10:17:43] hello [10:27:25] Hi Folks, I have a problem with FCKeditor and SemanticMediaWiki. I checked out the latest version of MediaWiki, FCKeditor and SemanticMediaWiki. In installed them in that order. Since MediaWiki was 1.13.1, I specified the changed present in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FCKeditor_(by_FCKeditor_and_Wikia)#Manual_modifications_.28only_for_1.13_users.29 [10:28:22] The problem is that I am unable to open any of the edit pages now. I get this error: Catchable fatal error: Argument 2 passed to SMWParseData::stripMagicWords() must be an instance of Parser, instance of FCKeditorParser given, called in /extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_ParserExtensions.php on line 30 and defined in /extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_ParseData.php on line 31 [10:30:05] Does anybody have a solution for this? I was not able to google out any results... [10:31:34] I would be grateful for your help. [10:35:03] Sorry, the latest checked out version is 1.14alpha [11:07:54] 03mkroetzsch * r41836 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Property.php: [11:07:54] Extended functionality to capture special properties (still not used in current architecure, more changes [11:07:54] needed) [11:47:24] 03(mod) {{filepath:Wiki. png|nowiki}} renders wrong with the new parser PP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13835 (10lenzo) [11:48:48] 03(mod) {{filepath:Wiki. png|nowiki}} renders wrong with the new parser PP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13835 (10lenzo) [11:49:55] 03(mod) {{filepath:Wiki. png|nowiki}} renders wrong with the new parser PP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13835 (10lenzo) [12:05:38] 03(mod) Enable editors to control footnote ordering and to insert wikitex between footnotes . Also declutter article prose. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12796 +comment (10klas) [12:13:38] 03(mod) Pseudo-Namespace on Korean Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15880 +comment (10camway) [12:15:15] 03(NEW) Patch: New parser function 'medialocalurl' and rename ' filepath' to 'mediafullurl' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15891 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (lenzo) [12:24:19] 03(mod) Using UserLoadFromSession hook causes segfault - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14178 (10lenzo) [12:25:18] 03(mod) media wiki forgets your logged in. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11198 (10lenzo) [12:25:41] 03(mod) Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607 +comment (10camway) [12:26:40] 03(mod) Pseudo-Namespace on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15880 (10acc611) [12:28:41] 03(mod) Patch: New parser function 'medialocalurl' and rename 'filepath ' to 'mediafullurl' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15891 +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking) [12:29:00] Hi! Is there a way to require users to authenticate the email specified at registration before they get edit access? [12:30:12] 03(mod) {{filepath:Wiki. png|nowiki}} renders wrong with the new parser PP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13835 +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking) [12:30:26] hiya.. I've got a memory that we have magic words or parameters for "number of users in a given user group" to match "number of users" and "number of sysops", but can't find the page covering this on Meta. Anyone able to help with the relevant link? [12:31:21] FT2: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics [12:31:29] FT2: Check out {{NUMBEROFADMINS}} [12:31:36] FT2: Also {{NUMBERINGROUP:groupname}}. [12:31:47] yup [12:31:50] groupname :) [12:31:52] thats the one [12:31:53] thanks :) [12:52:23] What's the best way to transfer a complex template (such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Familytree) with intricate layers of transclusion into my own wiki? [12:57:20] 03(mod) After upgrading to SMW 1.2.1 and installing the SPARQL endpoint , SMW_refreshData.php doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15117 +comment (10cariaso) [13:57:50] suggestion for any extension which adds a link to toolbox section of sidebar? or do i dig the documentation that bad that i don't see how-to there? [14:01:16] Danny_B, no extension needed? [14:01:25] I think there's a mediawiki message for that... [14:01:36] really? [14:01:44] not really sure, though [14:01:56] wikipedias usually add new links with javascript [14:02:01] you can add to sidebar links on the top [14:02:03] but they don't have shell access [14:02:17] but i'd like to create special page as an extension [14:02:26] which will have link in toolbox [14:06:03] hmm, special:cite seems to do that, but it also seems to be only in monobook. [14:06:11] i wonder about any hook or so [14:06:48] i mean general one [14:07:33] anyone have recommendations on an extension to use to give READ access to a certain namespace only for a certain user-group? [14:08:31] i see there are a couple (Group Based Access Control, Page Access Restriction, etc.) but if anyone has an opinion on which is good, I'd love to hear it [14:15:43] how can I insert html symbols and special characters in a page without them being applied. Such as » ? [14:15:57] » [14:16:29] ls [14:16:42] lol, oops ignore that "ls" [14:17:08] ^ls^^ [14:19:22] :O [14:25:21] 03(mod) After upgrading to SMW and installing the SPARQL endpoint, SMW_refreshData.php doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15117 summary (10cariaso) [14:42:40] 03(NEW) Parser tests broken by r40209 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15892 minor; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Simetrical+wikibugs) [14:46:32] Question: is there a way to search multiple categories without installing an extension? [14:46:37] hi Simetrical [14:46:44] Hi. [14:46:57] silly2, what do you mean by searching a category? [14:47:44] typing into the search box to serarch a subject in one or more specific categories [14:47:58] I have been looking for two days now [14:50:35] e.g. Anwar+[[Category:India]],[[Category:Pakistan]] [14:52:32] hey everyone - got a question. I've built my own parserfunction, and it works pretty well. weird thing is, when i put in some debugging statements, i often see two sets of results. For example, i will see the results for my query, and then it will also print out someone else's [14:52:58] I've tried the $wgParser->disableCache(), and that didn't seem to work...any ideas what is going on? [14:53:05] silly2, then no, there's not. [14:53:10] By default, I mean. [14:53:30] wasn't there "incategory:" keyword available? [14:53:38] what up [14:53:43] bon apetite! [14:57:00] it's like my parserfunction is always getting called twice, and i'm always seeing both my result, and someone else's. but that's only with the debugging. the actual result that gets returned by the function, only returns my info [14:57:50] brion-breakfast, should we really keep the old behavior where [[Image:Foo|xxx]] sets alt text to xxx, for anything? It will be inconsistent, and I'm almost certain nobody knew about that functionality or used it much, or if they did they used it incorrectly. [14:57:52] for example, i created a parserfunction that just does "echo 'test';" When i call it, it outputs "testtest" [14:58:12] I have tried "incategory:" keyword,, and the "+incategory:" keyword etc and a hundred other things, would you be so kind as to type it exactly as though you were searching two specific categories. I would really appreciat that! [14:58:46] Simetrical: well, it's been there by design for years [14:58:53] I'm thinking that with alt=, we'll have accessibility brigades going around and setting good alt text for everything, and random users won't think much about it. I don't think it will help in the long term to have an alternative and confusing way of setting alt text that only works in some cases and means something totally different in others. [14:59:20] I've been a developer of the software since 2006 and a Wikipedian since 2005, and I had never heard of the functionality. [14:59:23] That probably says something. [14:59:58] Even if there were BC problems, long-term consistency and cleanness of interface should take precedence over temporary BC where the latter isn't very severe. [15:00:40] 14(INVALID) API outputs old and new protections in different formats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15885 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [15:02:01] Anyone know of a good extension for limiting a certain namespace to only be viewed by users in a specific group? [15:02:49] !prevacc | Sean_Colombo [15:02:49] --mwbot-- Sean_Colombo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [15:03:15] Simetrical: thanx [15:05:47] Simetrical: so the standard alt text would just.... silently disappear? sounds sucky :) [15:06:11] brion-breakfast, "standard" in the hypothetical sense that it's been available for a long time, not in the sense that it's actually used. [15:06:20] btw.... is there documentation somewhere on how you get mwbot to do those neato tricks when you give it ! commands? [15:06:24] !mwbot [15:06:24] --mwbot-- Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [15:06:30] :D [15:06:39] brion-breakfast, I would offer to collect stats on how often the specified text is actually useful as alt text and doesn't appear to be an attempted caption, except that that would be kind of tricky (need to parse wikitext). [15:07:01] :) [15:07:32] ok looking at en.wikipedia front page right now... [15:07:46]

[15:07:56] apparently somebody's figured out how to use em [15:08:16] Touche. [15:08:27] *Simetrical gets to work trying to preserve the old functionality [15:08:31] of course now we can have the debate about captions versus alternate text [15:08:41] is saying it's a pencil drawing adequate? [15:08:42] *Simetrical still thinks it's too inconsistent in the long run [15:08:51] or should *alt* text describe the drawing? [15:09:18] is using a pop-up caption as a default alt text good enough? [15:09:31] (eg, allowing another alt text to be set to override it that could be "better") [15:09:33] Well, a really detailed description would bore the average screen-reader user to tears, I suspect. [15:09:38] :) [15:09:39] Unless they have some quick way to skip it. [15:09:43] Which maybe they do. [15:10:00] Caption should *not* be default alt text, for sure, because then the text gets repeated twice. [15:10:03] Which is completely stupid. [15:10:22] Interesting discussion on what to do when no good alt text is available, from HTML5 WG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0759.html [15:10:27] caption as broken-out text? [15:10:36] or caption as title element (pop-up display) [15:10:46] do they both get read out, in fact? [15:10:46] (conclusion: HTML5 looks like it will only require alt text if there are no descriptive headings or legends that could help orient the user) [15:11:01] Caption as the text that comes after the image in the HTML source, part of the image div. [15:11:04] I have a fairly big multilingual project and am trying to avoide adding categories to thousands of articles. I have looked for a way to search two or more categories on a specific keyword (without adding the extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multi-Category_Search) any ideas? [15:11:13] Simetrical: then that's not the thing i'm talking about [15:11:14] Which is certainly going to get read, being plain text. [15:11:57] Then what are you asking? Should alt default to a copy of the title attribute? How can people specify a title attribute? [15:13:01] [[Image:Foo.jpg|This is my text]] [15:13:04] *^demon missed breakfast :( [15:13:14] That sets title *and* alt *and* caption? [15:13:14] currently "This is my text" goes to both title and alt attributes [15:13:19] originally it went only to alt [15:13:26] Why don't we make it go only to title, and have alt= go to alt? [15:13:31] then we added it to title, since browsers are inconsistent about what they use for hover popup [15:13:40] Simetrical: well the question is, how does that affect screen readers? [15:13:42] we have no idea [15:13:44] Or use title= for title? [15:13:48] so.... probably someone should find out [15:13:55] time to head to work :) [15:13:55] Screen readers are supposed to allow the user to read the title somehow optionally. [15:14:02] Like other agents. [15:14:17] *Simetrical would like to get basic alt text support in now and worry about the details later [15:15:19] Okay, so [[Image:Foo|thumb]] sets $params['frame']['framed'] = *false*? [15:16:07] I guess that means "no value provided". [15:16:12] So I should just be checking if it's set. [15:22:52] hey [15:22:58] werd [15:23:44] yo [15:35:45] I have a question guys, I want to edit the template for category pages [15:35:56] is there any way to do this [15:38:53] hello? [15:42:02] 03(mod) {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is broken. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15746 (10jkbwiki) [15:44:55] irated, no. MW doesn't have a template system. You'd have to hack the PHP files. [15:51:34] 03(NEW) Special: ParserDiffTest not rendering target pagename as link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15893 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (ppiotr) [16:12:09] what is the latest version ? [16:12:53] 1.13.2 ? [16:13:03] im setting up a test site.. [16:13:20] machine1, yes, see topic. [16:14:05] ok yes [16:14:35] im just worried about exploitation and security [16:14:51] do you have to make a lot of updates often, or is it pretty much secure [16:15:44] when was the last major hole or exploit that needed to be patched? [16:17:09] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10N/A) [16:17:27] machine1, the last significant exploit was a week or two ago, when 1.13.2 was released. In the event of a security vulnerability, we release a patch on the same day. You can subscribe to the mediawiki-announce list to be informed of new versions (very low-traffic). [16:17:42] There have only been a couple of vulnerabilities discovered in the last year, IIRC. [16:18:22] (by "on the same day" I mean "as soon as the patch is written and applied to Wikipedia", which tends to be however many hours it takes to do that, which will normally end up being the same day it was reported) [16:19:08] machine1: yeah, i signed up for Mediawiki-announce months ago and i think i've only gotten one message from them... it's rare [16:19:33] ok thanks simetrical and sean [16:20:04] im just trying to get up to speed-- last time i touched mediawiki was a few years ago [16:30:03] what are the major differences between 1.9 and the current 1.13.2 stable version [16:33:14] machine1, check the release notes, I don't recall off-hand. Lots of bug-fixes and minor new features, undoubtedly some major new features as well. [16:33:53] 03simetrical * r41837 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) [16:33:53] (bug 368) Allow alt= attribute for images [16:33:53] Alt text is now set in the following ways, in decreasing priority: [16:33:53] 1) Set to the alt= parameter if present. [16:33:53] 2) Set to the unnamed (caption) parameter if present, and if the image does not [16:33:56] have the thumb or frame option set (i.e., if the unnamed parameter is not [16:33:58] actually being used for a caption -- using it as both caption and alt text would [16:34:10] 03(FIXED) Image syntax shouldn't use caption as alt= text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:38:05] well, so i shouldnt throw up 1.9 for a test site? i should use 1.13.2 ? [16:42:42] Simetrical: sounds good :) [16:43:02] brion, assuming the behavior actually matches my summary. [16:43:05] heh [16:43:11] are you still having trouble running parser tests? [16:45:44] brion, yes, I just temporarily back out the bad commit to make it work. :) [16:45:49] *Simetrical filed a bug and assigned it to Tim [16:46:03] Someone else was reporting something similar too, I'm not entirely delusional. [16:46:06] ok do i throw up 1.13.2 or 1.9 ? [16:49:42] 03aaron * r41838 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionAuthorView.php: Break long line [16:49:48] ok do i throw up 1.13.2 or 1.9 ? [16:50:04] i'd say 1.13.2 :-/ [16:50:21] well what will i be missing out on? [16:50:45] well, some security fixes are the main reason [16:50:56] so why would i want the insecure version [16:50:57] i know there is protection-by-namespace and such after 1.10 [16:51:10] 1.9 would be more insecure i would think [16:51:13] ok [16:51:15] thanks [16:51:19] np [16:51:26] but functionality-wise.. [16:51:34] are there many more features in 1.9 ? [16:51:47] there would be more in 1.13 if anything [16:51:53] hmm.. ok [16:51:57] not sure if this is clear, but 1.13 is more recent than 1.9 [16:52:00] kinda confusing [16:52:11] ok thats strange [16:52:12] machine1, 13 > 9 [16:52:14] yeah... it's not the first digit that matters.. it's a whole number [16:52:18] you can read all about the differences on mediawiki.org [16:52:22] so it's like 13 > 9 [16:52:26] i did not know that [16:52:26] 1.9 is obsolete and should not be used. [16:52:33] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10ssanbeg) [16:52:37] oh thats strange [16:52:38] ok [16:52:40] 1.13 is higher than 1.9 [16:52:45] It's pretty common in OSS. [16:53:00] im stupid [16:53:06] For instance, the latest version of GNOME is 2.24, the latest Linux kernel is 2.6.26, . . . [16:53:08] wow. im a dummy [16:53:27] dont worry I got dubbed silly [16:53:28] why isnt it 1.09 ? [16:53:48] because you never really know if it'll get to 1.100 or 1.1000 [16:53:50] machine1, because nobody thought about getting up to 1.10 when 1.2 was released, probably. [16:53:51] :) [16:54:06] well it should be 1.09, for the structure [16:54:17] ok ill shut up now [16:54:39] *machine1 shuts up [16:54:49] 03yaron * r41839 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: Fixed handling of textareas with 'autocomplete on property' [16:54:58] We would have had to be thinking about 1.10 when 1.2 was released (ages previously) for that to be feasible. [16:55:39] well whats wrong with 2.0 ? [16:56:23] That implies a big change, when 1.9 -> 1.10 was just another quarterly snapshot, nothing really big changed. [16:56:47] We don't really plan releases, we just change whatever we feel like and release the accreted differences occasionally. [16:59:10] I apologize for asking again, is there a way to search two or more "specific" categories in the search box (without adding extensions)? I cannot get +incategory:xx to give any results. [17:00:46] 2 new PASSING test(s) :) [17:00:46] * Image with frame and link and explicit alt [Has never failed] [17:00:46] * Thumbnail image caption with a free URL and explicit alt [Has never failed] [17:00:47] w00t [17:00:49] *brion hugs Simetrical [17:01:23] silly2, as I said, no. There is no such function without using an extension. [17:01:50] brion, I have to say that all the already-failing tests make it a pain in the neck to check the parser tests. I have to do parserTests.php --compare, then literally copy-paste all the new failing tests to parserTests.php --regex to get diffs. [17:02:30] Thanks and sorry for the bother. [17:03:42] So does this keyword+incategory:xx need to be deleted from the Wikipedia help? [17:04:12] silly2, IIRC, that sort of does work on Wikipedia, with the LuceneSearch extension. But only sort of. [17:04:28] Wikipedia help applies to Wikipedia, not unmodified MediaWiki. WP uses a lot of extensions. [17:06:53] I have looked through the extensions and find none for this, am I over looking it? Dont bother to look it up, if it is there just tell me and I will look again to save you the time. :) [17:07:53] silly2, DPL, DPL2, and Semantic MediaWiki provide features like this with varying degrees of sophistication. [17:07:59] (DPL = DynamicPageList) [17:08:31] !semanticmediawiki [17:08:31] --mwbot-- SemanticMediaWiki is an extension that lets you conenct wiki pages with semantic relations. See and . [17:08:56] Thank you very much, I will look into DPL, Semantic is out of the question for my project. [17:21:52] 03(mod) {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is broken. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15746 (10N/A) [17:25:52] Simetrical: guess we'll just have to fix the tests, eh? ;) [17:26:22] brion, what's the ETA on that, 2024? [17:26:31] :D [17:26:44] Simetrical: 'alt $1'? [17:26:45] We have a bug tracker to track things that need to be fixed, and parser tests to track regressions. [17:26:58] brion, I copied that from another option. [17:27:04] I doubt anyone will actually use it, it could be removed. [17:27:30] page, upright use the same thing. [17:27:50] funky [17:27:50] link (added after alt) doesn't. [17:27:59] (or thumb=) [17:28:05] yeah let's take that out for now [17:28:15] easier to re-add it later than take it out after people use it :) [17:29:56] 03brion * r41840 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak to r41837 -- remove 'alt $1' alias for 'alt=$1', we're not sure we need it :) [17:30:56] *brion muses [17:31:08] should the alt text strip tags? [17:32:37] i get different results for alt text from: [17:32:39] [[Image:Wiki.png|testing '''bold''' in alt]] [17:32:40] [[Image:Wiki.png|alt=testing '''bold''' in alt]] [17:33:00] the original syntax strips the on the title and alt text [17:33:13] the new alt= doesn't strip them, so you get >b< [17:33:21] brion, alt is plaintext by definition, so it makes sense to assume that the input is plaintext. [17:33:34] The unnamed parameter is used for caption too, which supports rich text, so that needs to be stripped for alt/title. [17:33:37]