[00:00:32] <lch>	thanks
[00:00:55] <Splarka>	ol.references > li:target {background-color: #DEF;}
[00:00:55] <Splarka>	sup.reference:target {background-color: #DEF;}
[00:00:55] <Splarka>	cite:target {background-color: #DEF;}
[00:01:34] *AaronSchulz 	imports cr_path
[00:04:09] <lch>	do I need javascript code, too?
[00:04:56] <Splarka>	shouldn't
[00:05:21] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41953 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeRevision.php svnImport.php): 
[00:05:22] <CIA-6>	* Update rev data if saving on an existing rev already, rather than doing nothing
[00:05:23] <CIA-6>	* Allow svnImport.php to have a start rev param
[00:05:29] <Splarka>	E:target  	an E element being the target of the referring URI
[00:05:43] <Splarka>	CSS3 though, not supported in older browsers (or sucky browsers)
[00:05:56] <lch>	yeah, it works
[00:09:48] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41954 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/svnImport.php: Increase speed
[00:16:03] <AaronSchulz>	brion: what where those example udp prefixes?
[00:16:43] <brion>	#en.wikipedia, #wikimedia.org, etc
[00:16:58] <brion>	so the target channel name on the ircd
[00:17:13] <AaronSchulz>	ok, then sendToUDP( $prefix, $line ) looks nice
[00:17:19] <brion>	spiffy
[00:17:20] <AaronSchulz>	brion: may use that for CodeReview
[00:17:28] <brion>	w00t
[00:17:30] <brion>	hmm
[00:17:32] <brion>	well that'd go onto irc.wikimedia.org
[00:17:52] <brion>	to hit #mediawiki here we'd need a second bot i guess
[00:18:00] <brion>	probably doable
[00:18:17] <brion>	but it'd have to hit a different server or port
[00:18:30] <AaronSchulz>	hrm
[00:19:05] <AaronSchulz>	ok, cr_path update finished, yay
[00:19:21] <j4zzcat>	'lo all
[00:19:31] <Splarka>	mmm, another feedbot to /ignore <3
[00:20:19] <brion>	woo
[00:20:51] <AaronSchulz>	brion: what should the bug 15276 channel be?
[00:21:13] <j4zzcat>	I'm going through the enhancment requests for Cite, and someone suggested to show the references "in-place", in a tooltip-like floating window
[00:21:16] <j4zzcat>	is it possible?
[00:21:27] <CIA-6>	03dale * r41955 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed metavid2wiki stream output
[00:24:07] *AaronSchulz 	is thinking about adding path searches
[00:25:27] <AaronSchulz>	'Basic text search', haha :p
[00:25:36] *brion 	bats eyelashes innocently
[00:26:29] <AaronSchulz>	path searches as LIKE blah% are ok
[00:26:39] <AaronSchulz>	though sorting them is not as fun
[00:27:03] <AaronSchulz>	hmm
[00:28:35] <JEisen83_>	Hey, looking for advice... I've got a project where we want to move a lot of information to our Wiki, and then every night, run a search that pulls pages that match a certain criteria down into a simple text format for a legacy app where the text will be available under a different name (specified somewhere in the wiki page). The other criteria is that we don't want to see namespace markers (so no Shared:Foo or anything.) (We've had 
[00:29:46] <brion>	weell
[00:30:12] <brion>	if we're going to sort the searches by rev/time, then you really don't get benefit from a path index
[00:30:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  display of diff after a rollback should have the option of being disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15761  (10stevend811)
[00:31:07] <carl-m>	JEisen83_: what are you asking? 
[00:32:26] <AaronSchulz>	brion: well you get some, an index branch scan vs table scan :p
[00:32:28] <JEisen83_>	carl-m: I'm looking to see if there's a simpler way to do this, which I suspect, then doing things like writing a script that queries the database using the API and does all kinds of crazy conversion.
[00:32:31] *AaronSchulz 	sighs
[00:33:15] <AaronSchulz>	15761 looks like feature bloat
[00:33:34] <carl-m>	JEisen83_: if you already have the list of pages, and you just want to get their content, you can use the API, or Special:Export, or just run a query against the database
[00:33:54] <brion>	well if i search on /trunk/phase3 i'm going to get like... the majority of all changes :)
[00:33:57] *brion 	hmmms
[00:33:58] <carl-m>	the API is as clean as anything else
[00:34:20] <brion>	if i only search cr_path then that would also *miss* a changeset which modifies both /trunk and /branch
[00:34:34] <brion>	so maybe you actually need to search the paths table
[00:34:38] <JEisen83_>	I was thinking something along the lines of an article named Foo for Beginners, with <port file="help" name="foo"> somewhere in the content. When the script ran, it would find pages with that tag and convert the content into our simple text format.
[00:34:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  display of diff after a rollback should have the option of being disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15761  (10mikelifeguard)
[00:34:57] <brion>	then filter out the multiple hits
[00:35:11] <carl-m>	JEisen83_: it may be easier if you use a template, something like {{port|file=foo|name=bar}}
[00:35:24] <carl-m>	make it so that the template adds the page to a category but has no other visible effect
[00:35:43] <carl-m>	then you can use the category contents to get a list of pages, and there is no visibile change to wiki text
[00:37:10] <duelle>	Hi, does anybody know if there's a known solution for error message http://rafb.net/p/buMKoM95.html ?
[00:37:19] <brion>	ahhh
[00:37:43] <brion>	AaronSchulz: on the problem where it doesn't show your changes when you submit -- is submit showing the results immediately, or redirecting back to the view?
[00:37:59] <JEisen83_>	carl-m: That's fantastic. And then the script would just basically spider that category and convert it. Thank you!
[00:38:20] <AaronSchulz>	brion: it still redirects
[00:38:24] <AaronSchulz>	so slave lag is a factor
[00:38:30] <brion>	bluh
[00:38:32] <carl-m>	right. the API is very good for listing category contents
[00:38:33] *brion 	digs for clues
[00:41:41] <carl-m>	JEisen83_: in recent versions of mediawiki, you can make the category hidden, if that's important to you
[00:41:50] <carl-m>	so it isn't visible by default on the article
[00:42:30] <AaronSchulz>	brion: I'd like to move the CodeRevisionTagger stuff into CodeRevisionView to get all the submit stuff in one function too
[00:42:47] <brion>	mm
[00:42:52] <AaronSchulz>	unless there is a reason to have it as another special page
[00:42:53] <JEisen83_>	actually, the category being visible would be great. yeah, this just resolved about 6 months worth of discussion.
[00:42:59] <brion>	do centralize the updaters, but perhaps as a separate class from the viewer
[00:45:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  display of diff after a rollback should have the option of being disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15761  (10stevend811)
[00:49:11] <brion>	AaronSchulz: possibly wrapping a transaction around the updates will help. there's some infrastructure in the LoadBalancer_Multi to save master positions in the session, but it may be that it's not quite understanding the new position
[00:58:35] <j4zzcat>	what version of php mediawiki runs on?
[00:58:40] <j4zzcat>	is it >= 5.3 ?
[00:59:28] <j4zzcat>	specifficaly, what version is available for extensions running on wikipedia ? 
[01:00:24] <duelle>	Hi, does anybody know if there's a known solution for error message http://rafb.net/p/buMKoM95.html ?
[01:00:45] <carl-m>	JEisen83_: it should run on php 5.0 or higher
[01:00:50] <carl-m>	!php | j4zzcat 
[01:00:50] --mwbot--	j4zzcat: Mediawiki requires PHP to work correctly. PHP's website is http://php.net.  For a full list of MediaWiki requirements, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements
[01:02:59] <j4zzcat>	it doesn't say what version wikipedia is running
[01:03:28] <carl-m>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[01:03:37] <j4zzcat>	cool
[01:03:38] <j4zzcat>	thanks
[01:10:22] <lch>	MinuteElectron, ping
[01:10:35] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41956 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (6 files): 
[01:10:35] <CIA-6>	* Centralize submit code
[01:10:35] <CIA-6>	* Check 'codereview-add-remove' right
[01:10:35] <CIA-6>	* Add revLink() function
[01:10:53] <AaronSchulz>	brion: can you sync CodeReview and run svnImport.php MediaWiki 1 ?
[01:11:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  (10bill.mitchell)
[01:12:26] <brion>	AaronSchulz: i'm about to run out of the office
[01:12:40] <brion>	i hate updating code right before i leave ;)
[01:12:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extension special pages not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15912  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:28:51] <lch>	this stuff at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Talkback looks cool, do I need an extension in order to have it, too?
[01:30:20] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41957 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ApiCodeDiff.php: 
[01:30:20] <CIA-6>	* Use dieUsage()
[01:30:20] <CIA-6>	* Fix bogus var name, should be $params['repo']
[02:16:29] <chuck>	Can someone add some top padding to the top dark blue bar in the Modern skin? It looks kind of weird to me without that.
[02:34:43] <j4zzcat>	when an extension is executing, will it have access to classes of other extensions ?
[02:41:08] <TimStarling>	yes
[02:42:11] <j4zzcat>	so, does that mean that if some extension has defined class 'Foo', I cannot define my own?
[02:42:20] <TimStarling>	yes
[02:42:35] <TimStarling>	that's why you should prefix your classes with an abbreviation of your extension name
[02:42:54] <j4zzcat>	I'm working on something called 'Citation'
[02:43:13] <TimStarling>	maybe you should think of a more inventive name
[02:43:26] <j4zzcat>	Cite2 ?
[02:43:33] <j4zzcat>	CiteNG ?
[02:43:45] <Skizzerz>	Citeasdlfkjasldfjklawejf should be fine
[02:43:46] <TimStarling>	heh
[02:43:51] <TimStarling>	suit yourself
[02:43:54] <Skizzerz>	:P
[02:45:48] <j4zzcat>	damn php
[02:45:52] <j4zzcat>	no namespaces
[02:46:06] <Skizzerz>	(yet)
[02:46:12] <j4zzcat>	so, when's mediawiki/java be ready? :-)
[02:46:17] <Skizzerz>	eww
[02:46:23] <TimStarling>	it'll be a long time before we start using namespaces
[02:54:29] <j4zzcat>	for my Foo extension, I have more than just Foo.php and Foo_body.php - should I specify the additional files in $wgAutoloadClasses[ 'Foo' ] ?
[02:54:49] <j4zzcat>	if so, how...
[02:56:54] <TimStarling>	$wgAutoloadClasses[ 'Bar' ] = dirname(__FILE__).'/Bar.php';
[02:57:46] <j4zzcat>	?!
[02:58:13] <j4zzcat>	$wgAutoloadClasses[ 'Foo' ] = dirname(__FILE__).'/Bar.php';   ?
[02:58:33] <TimStarling>	$wgAutoloadClasses maps class names to files
[02:58:45] <TimStarling>	each class can only have one file, syntactically
[02:58:50] <TimStarling>	your extension may have multiple classes
[02:58:52] <j4zzcat>	k, got it
[02:59:01] <TimStarling>	in which case you need multiple entries in $wgAutoloadClasses
[03:07:02] <me01>	Can someone please point me in the right direction.  I have a new 1.13.1 install, and need to upgrade it to 1.13.2.  I was going to use the diff patch, but can't find any instructions that explain this process.
[03:07:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:08:39] <TimStarling>	cd /path/to/wiki
[03:08:57] <TimStarling>	patch -p0 < patchfile
[03:09:22] <TimStarling>	you need shell access and a unix-like patch utility
[03:09:35] <me01>	Yep, got that, should the patch file be IN the wiki dir?
[03:09:49] <TimStarling>	it can be anywhere, you just specify the path
[03:10:03] <TimStarling>	patch is very idiosyncratic, for some reason it doesn't take the patch file name as an argument
[03:10:11] <TimStarling>	you feed it in using "<"
[03:10:24] <me01>	Alright, let me give this a quick try, thank you!
[03:10:33] <TimStarling>	yeah, make a backup first
[03:10:43] <TimStarling>	just in case
[03:12:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make pagemoves easier to revert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6984  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:13:02] <me01>	I am in the wiki directory, and executed : patch -p0 < ../tmp/mediawiki-i18n-1.13.2.patch
[03:13:13] <me01>	does that look right?  it prompts me with "File to patch:"
[03:14:01] <TimStarling>	sorry should be -p1 not -p0
[03:14:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  rollback link for a page move on watchlists should rollback the page move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4433  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:14:34] <TimStarling>	just hit ctrl-c and run it with -p1 instead
[03:15:40] <me01>	Ok, done, didn't see any errors, however, the main wiki page html code still reports .1
[03:15:49] <me01>	(I downloaded the patch about an hour ago)
[03:16:47] <TimStarling>	what about Special:Version?
[03:18:16] <eloquent>	Hi, I'm interested in saving login information passed to my wiki and dumped into a file.
[03:23:21] <me01>	My apologies for the delay.  Special:Version shows 1.13.1 as well.
[03:27:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) spacing on WhatLinksHere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15934 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mikelifeguard)
[03:29:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase or remove rate limit for rollbacker group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:31:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incrase $wgMaximumMovedPages on English Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15932  (10mikelifeguard)
[03:35:36] <me01>	I am going to reinstall .2 from scratch, since this was a new 1.13.1 install , and no data was entered.  I do appreciate the help, thanks!
[03:52:29] <padde>	hi there
[03:53:29] <padde>	i'd like to replace some ParserFunction calls (namely '#time') - how would I do that?
[03:55:01] <DarkoNeko>	O
[03:55:08] <DarkoNeko>	mess with the sextension code
[03:55:12] <DarkoNeko>	-s
[03:55:19] <TimStarling>	register your extension after ParserFunctions
[03:57:12] <padde>	umm, it's a one time thing
[03:57:25] <padde>	what do you mean by "register your extension"?
[04:02:04] <padde>	i guess I could just disable the extension and then search for the calls, replace them one by one
[04:10:51] <TimStarling>	you should be able to make an extension that registers a #time parser function that competes with the existing one
[04:11:00] <TimStarling>	and whichever one is registered second should win
[04:13:36] <Splarka>	and then you can have #time add a category, reset the cache of all pages, and find all the pages calling it easily... if that is what you wanted it to do?
[04:31:38] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41958 10/trunk/ (112 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[04:31:38] <CIA-6>	Revert merge of DismissableSiteNotice into the core (r41679 and subsequent
[04:31:38] <CIA-6>	edits). We should have higher standards than this for core code. This is largely
[04:31:38] <CIA-6>	my own crap code and there's a reason I didn't commit it to the core in the
[04:31:38] <CIA-6>	first place.
[04:31:39] <CIA-6>	* The sitenotice_id hack is virtually unusable and needs to be replaced with a dedicated message update interface.
[04:31:44] <CIA-6>	* There's a need for automatic message expiry.
[04:34:46] <DarkoNeko>	:o
[04:36:34] <TimStarling>	speaking of unusable crap
[04:37:07] <TimStarling>	can you believe I just submitted comments on 8 revisions in Special:Code and it silently ignored all but the first one?
[04:37:25] <Splarka>	did it at least take the <script> out of <body> and put most of the code into wikibits.js or at least /skins ? ^_^
[04:37:42] *Splarka 	too laszy
[04:38:12] <Splarka>	were any of those comments to recent revisions of Special:Code? meta-irony?
[04:39:02] <TimStarling>	they were all the revisions I just reverted
[04:47:31] <j4zzcat>	night all
[05:11:04] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/comments
[05:11:49] <TimStarling>	what about it?
[05:12:45] <AaronSchulz>	they aren't there? :(
[05:13:05] <TimStarling>	what isn't there?
[05:13:18] <AaronSchulz>	your comments
[05:13:27] <domas>	meh
[05:13:31] <domas>	power is playing tricks on me
[05:13:41] <domas>	UPS is beeping, and dsl modem is not on ups
[05:13:43] <domas>	:(
[05:14:08] <TimStarling>	I can see them
[05:14:56] <TimStarling>	check this action out: http://p.defau.lt/?wGPfcG4a4G4my9N_M5kfxw
[05:15:19] <TimStarling>	I wrote a shell function called "mi" that returns the equivalent path to the current directory, in a local svn mirror
[05:15:52] <TimStarling>	it turns out the svn protocol is extremely inefficient, requiring tens of RTTs for a simple merge
[05:16:12] <TimStarling>	that merge just then took less than a second
[05:17:30] <TimStarling>	and it's quicker to do an svnsync for a day's changes than it is to do a single merge
[05:18:46] <naught101>	How difficult is it to move a large number of images in a shared-resources wiki back into the main wiki?
[05:20:31] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41959 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: Revert r41445: static members invite permanent use in the caller, which would give us an ugly interface to remain backwards compatible with. See CodeReview.
[05:21:42] <TimStarling>	you'd probably have to find a script and then customise it
[05:23:51] <naught101>	TimStarling: assuming there's no images on the main wiki, would it be possible to just move the relevant tables in the database, or something?
[05:24:24] <TimStarling>	yes, you could do that
[05:24:40] <TimStarling>	you'd just lose the image description pages, which you could move separately using XML export/import
[05:39:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set user rights via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15935 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (pathoschild+wmbugs)
[05:51:23] <naught101>	ok, cool
[05:51:28] <naught101>	thanks TimStarling
[05:53:58] <naught101>	is there a way to merge categories, so that all category pages redirect to a single category page, which lists pages from all the merged categories?
[06:13:17] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41960 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (5 files): Add 'commit & next' button
[06:16:40] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: how far is code review?
[06:17:01] <TimStarling>	what do you mean?
[06:17:31] <TimStarling>	about a mile, I should think, just over that there hill
[06:17:33] <AaronSchulz>	what rev has been checked up to
[06:17:58] <TimStarling>	41920
[06:36:45] <TimStarling>	You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason:
[06:36:45] <TimStarling>	<movenologintext>
[06:40:20] <TimStarling>	wtf?
[06:40:32] <TimStarling>	it's live on wikimedia: http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spesiaal:MovePage/Tuisblad
[06:40:41] <TimStarling>	log out and you'll see it
[06:44:17] <TimStarling>	removed in r38347
[06:46:58] <TimStarling>	and it was there being used in 38346, annotate suggests it had been there for at least 1000 revisions before that
[06:49:46] <TimStarling>	and of course reverting it now conflicts in about 20 different files
[06:50:11] <Splarka>	so, how many people go to Special:Movepage/title while anon and actually notice it? not many it seems
[06:50:20] <Splarka>	(you get a different error at Special:Movepage with no title)
[06:50:46] <TimStarling>	yeah, should I just leave it broken then?
[06:51:21] <Splarka>	could it in english, let siebrand sort out the rest? ^_^
[06:51:26] <Splarka>	could ^readd
[06:52:00] *Splarka 	wonders when winter happened, fingers stiff, room cold
[06:52:04] <TimStarling>	I think instead I will fix it, and stab siebrand several times in retribution
[06:52:19] <Splarka>	you could change the message used
[06:52:22] <Splarka>	movenotallowed for example
[06:52:45] <Splarka>	retcon the unuse
[06:54:41] <TimStarling>	shut up splarka
[07:10:26] <TimStarling>	done, that was what, 20 minutes?
[07:10:40] <TimStarling>	a few more files to fix than I expected
[07:18:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New page's patrol button should always be visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15936 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Patroller; (Commander.Keane)
[07:27:29] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: geez, telling people to "shut up?" ;)
[07:33:54] <TimStarling>	"Source or destination title is of a special type; cannot move pages from and into that namespace."
[07:34:00] <TimStarling>	care to be more vague?
[07:37:05] <TimStarling>	of course, it would be nice if that error message was actually displayed, instead of the even vaguer one that's used currently
[07:37:08] <TimStarling>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/Image:Martti_Ahtisaari_cropped.jpg
[07:37:26] <TimStarling>	especially clever customisation on enwiki
[07:37:57] <TimStarling>	error handling is the difference between good code and mediocre code
[07:39:07] <TimStarling>	it's what separates the devs who take pride in their work from the devs who don't care
[07:41:41] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, sysop,checkuser, years of edits is "new or blocked"
[07:41:46] *AaronSchulz 	learned something new
[07:51:51] <josht>	Fatal error: Call to a member function selectRow() on a non-object in /homepages/6/d245083245/htdocs/public_html/wiki/includes/User.php on line 777
[07:52:07] <josht>	constant reoccuring error, comes and goes.. have asked on numerous forums, can someone please shed some light on this
[07:52:25] <josht>	occurs during edits
[07:53:47] <NicDumZ>	TimStarling, not sure anymore about http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41465 : brion first appeared to say that this wasn't the right place ; then Nikerabbit suggested me to move this into the extension, which I did ; then you seem to suggest that this should be in core. mm, what should be done ? :)
[07:57:02] <TimStarling>	I'm doing it
[07:57:10] <TimStarling>	it's done already, I'm just testing
[07:57:22] <TimStarling>	along with a number of other tweaks to the page move code
[07:57:53] <TimStarling>	do you understand the original report?
[08:01:12] <NicDumZ>	Renameuser does not care if the userpage already exists, true. so this could be included into core, true. 
[08:02:17] <NicDumZ>	josht, here is probably the best way to get support ; but not in private. just wait a bit more, please. also, please include more details. Which version is this ?
[08:03:06] <TimStarling>	there's a bug in most versions of LoadBalancer.php which would do that on a connection error, in certain access patterns
[08:19:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cursor should be placed in the search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10csarsenault)
[08:26:19] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41961 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[08:26:19] <CIA-6>	* Reintroduce user page move permission as per r41465, generally useful
[08:26:19] <CIA-6>	regardless of whether the Renameuser extension is in use. Do the check in
[08:26:19] <CIA-6>	Title::getUserPermissionsErrorsInternal(), so that the move page tab won't be
[08:26:19] <CIA-6>	displayed on user pages for users who can't move them.
[08:26:21] <CIA-6>	* Use error message text suitable for humans. Be specific about whether the
[08:26:23] <CIA-6>	source or the destination is the problem, say what the namespace is for those
[08:28:31] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41962 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (157 files): 
[08:28:31] <CIA-6>	* Revert r38347, removal of movenologintext. This error message is and has always been used in Title.php.
[08:28:31] <CIA-6>	* Readded some cant-move-user-page messages by reverse-merging r41596
[08:33:18] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41963 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/ (3 files): Continuation of r41961: remove this move page hook since I just readded the feature to the core.
[08:38:15] <_wooz>	lo
[08:49:08] <MinuteElectron>	lch: Can I help?
[08:49:16] <lch>	oh, yes
[08:50:00] <lch>	I have installed the Mibbit extension on my MW 1.12, but when it is active a couple of other extensions stop working / don't load
[08:50:10] <lch>	any idea why that might be the case?
[08:50:28] <MinuteElectron>	hmm, no; I got that problem on a different extension I was making but never tracked down the cause
[08:50:35] <MinuteElectron>	I'll look in to it later for you
[08:50:58] <lch>	I can tell you which other extensions won't load with it, one sec
[08:51:29] <Duesentrieb>	lch: iirc, 1.12 was the version that started to be strict about the return value of hook functions
[08:51:50] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[08:51:54] <Duesentrieb>	try enabling all error output
[08:51:55] <Duesentrieb>	!debug
[08:51:55] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[08:53:59] <lch>	LastUserLogin and the Ipb_Wiki_Paypal extension won't load anymore for me with Mibbit active
[08:54:10] <lch>	that's good information, Duesentrieb, thanks
[09:06:25] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41964 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:06:25] <CIA-6>	* Want to commit new messages? "php rebuildLanguage.php --lang=en"
[09:06:25] <CIA-6>	* Does it give output about unknown messages? Fix it in messages.inc. Repeat cycle.
[09:07:01] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Set user rights via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15935  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[09:14:22] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r41965 10/trunk/ (28 files in 3 dirs): Rebuild messages files involved in recent reverts.
[09:21:36] <tingwang>	hi
[09:22:07] <tingwang>	i am trying to write an ajax file upload extension
[09:23:21] <tingwang>	and i find UploadFromUpload.php, can i use this function for uploading file?
[09:44:48] <Duesentrieb>	tingwang: well, you will have to expose some function via the ajax interface. that function can use stuff from UploadFromUpload.php
[09:45:29] <Duesentrieb>	using ajax to send data to "normal" form handlers is possible too, but not considered "The Right Thing", i suppose.
[09:46:14] <tingwang>	Duesentrieb: thanks. I am thinking about using iframe to do it.
[09:46:48] <tingwang>	Duesentrieb: but in the backgroud i still want to using UploadFromUpload
[09:48:18] <Duesentrieb>	well, either you call the standard ajax inteface, and write a function that calls stuff from the upload from class
[09:48:27] <Duesentrieb>	or you call the normalupload url via ajax.
[09:48:37] <Duesentrieb>	i have never done file uploads with ajax, so i don't know quite how to do it.
[09:48:58] <Duesentrieb>	an iframe feels a bit ugly, but you can of course use an iframe to show the upload form
[09:49:11] <Duesentrieb>	with plain old JS, no HttpXmlRequest involved
[09:49:28] <tingwang>	Duesentrieb: according to the msg in svn log, this class is written for specialupload. but the "new" specialupload is not commited, do you have some example about how to using this class?
[09:49:50] <Duesentrieb>	nope, never looked at it.
[09:50:13] <Duesentrieb>	what i said is generic, applies to any for, basically
[09:50:15] <Duesentrieb>	*from
[09:50:19] <Duesentrieb>	err, form :)
[09:50:36] <tingwang>	:)
[09:53:18] <tingwang>	Duesentrieb: as i know, HttpXmlRequest has size limit, so if the big file is allowed to upload, using ajax for upload is not so good.
[09:55:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  (10vacuum)
[10:17:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Import and Export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15937 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (msalperen)
[10:19:40] <enhydra>	hello. is there any maintenance script to fix up corrupted page_latest column?
[11:16:51] <OliHH>	Hallo sind hier die Experten zu MediaWiki?
[11:17:40] <OliHH>	Hallo?
[11:17:47] <OliHH>	English?
[11:18:05] <OliHH>	So viele Leute hier und keiner da?
[11:18:43] <OliHH>	Hello nobody there?
[11:19:06] <Reedy>	Theres people about
[11:19:12] <Tykling>	OliHH: ask your question in english and if somebody can help I'm sure they will 
[11:19:13] <Reedy>	English will generally get you a quicker response
[11:19:28] <OliHH>	ok
[11:19:32] <Reedy>	yeah, and asking your questioin, rather than whoes a mediawiki expert, will help :)
[11:22:25] <OliHH>	is that posibele if someone write an articel, that the articel only for all show, if i say the articel is good and push a button for show all
[11:22:31] <OliHH>	sorry for my bad english
[11:23:11] <OliHH>	i need a control mhh i want to see a articel before everbody see it
[11:23:23] <OliHH>	like a redaction tool
[11:23:50] <OliHH>	in mediawiki i can only restriction for pages for view and so on
[11:24:20] <OliHH>	i hope you understand my question
[11:25:49] <OliHH>	also in deutsch nochmal, bevor ein artikel ver�ffentlich wird, sollte er durch eine instanz gepr�ft werden und dann friegeben.. also jemand schreibt was ins wiki und bevor das jeder sehen kann.. muss dies nochmal gepr�ft werden 
[11:26:06] <OliHH>	ich weiss das dies nicht wirklich den wiki way entspricht...
[11:26:14] <OliHH>	gibt es sowas? bzw. extension?
[11:26:29] <tingwang>	OliHH:  schaumal http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_control
[11:27:58] <OliHH>	ok und welcher artikel ist das genau?
[11:28:24] <tingwang>	vllt http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hidden_pages
[11:29:09] <tingwang>	oder http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[11:29:46] <tingwang>	du musst mal schauen welche geeigent ist.
[11:29:48] <jjaswal>	hello there
[11:30:32] <OliHH>	beides nicht tingwang
[11:30:33] <jjaswal>	i need some help in customizing mediawiki can anyone help me with that
[11:30:58] <OliHH>	ich suche nicht eine beschr�nkung auf einzelene seiten..
[11:31:20] <OliHH>	ich suche sowas, wenn es eine �nderung auf der seite gibt.. das diese erst durch den admin freigeschaltet wird
[11:31:29] <OliHH>	bzw �nderung am artikel
[11:32:02] <OliHH>	also nicht wer darf was sehen oder schreiben.. es geht darum wenn was geschirbeen ist, dann muss diese erst freigeschaltet werden
[11:32:31] <tingwang>	OliHH: mhh..... i finde gibt es noch keine solche Extension
[11:32:51] <OliHH>	gut genau das wollte ich wissen
[11:32:58] <tingwang>	das ist etwas über revision zu tun.
[11:33:02] <OliHH>	schade.. dies w�re echt cool #11
[11:33:20] <tingwang>	ja, stimmt
[11:33:51] <OliHH>	ja ich kann es zur�ckschalten bei revision oder ich will ja vorher kontrolloieren und dann erst freigeben wemm es ok ist - also eine art redaktionelle kontrolle
[11:35:54] <tingwang>	OliHH:  ja klar, wiki ist nicht so geeignet für solche dingen. 
[11:37:23] <jjaswal>	is there anyone who can help me
[11:37:44] <jjaswal>	is there any english channel for mediwiki
[11:38:16] <Laaknor>	this is a multilingual channel
[11:38:20] <OliHH>	danke fpr deine hilfe tingwang
[11:38:23] <tingwang>	whats ur question?
[11:38:40] <jjaswal>	i just want some help in customizing mediawiki
[11:38:41] <tingwang>	OliHH: keine problem
[11:38:56] <Laaknor>	what kind of customization?
[11:39:21] <jjaswal>	please visit website www.wikinvest.com to get some idea
[11:39:34] <jjaswal>	i appreciate you taking time to answer 
[11:39:53] <jjaswal>	i mean taking time out to answer my questions
[11:43:22] <Laaknor>	in reality what your asking is not customization, but "how do I set this up to be like this" ?
[11:45:07] <jjaswal>	exactly
[11:45:35] <jjaswal>	but being totally new to mediawiki and php, just want to know is that too much to ask
[11:45:42] <CIA-6>	03greg * r41966 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql updaters.inc): Add index on templatelinks.tl_from
[11:45:42] <jjaswal>	is it bad or good
[11:51:05] <jjaswal>	laaknor you therte
[11:51:07] <jjaswal>	ther
[11:51:11] <Laaknor>	yeah, sorry
[11:51:16] <jjaswal>	thats ok
[11:51:27] <jjaswal>	so what do you suggest
[11:51:39] <Laaknor>	you should probably go visit diffrent wikipedias, wikinews, etc. and look how they've done it
[11:52:02] <jjaswal>	can someone help me set that up like that sit
[11:52:04] <jjaswal>	site
[11:52:17] <jjaswal>	i am ready to pay for his efforts
[11:55:31] <Aktron>	hello
[11:56:56] <Aktron>	We have the {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} template on cs.wikinews and it does count various namespaces (main+portal); not the main only. Can you help me please, why is it so? I've been advised to come here from #wikinews Thank you
[11:57:02] <Russavia>	hey all, not a wiki question per se, but a technical question all the same - anyone know where I can find someone who has technical ability to add subtitles to a video which is on commons?
[11:59:54] <jjaswal>	laaknor thanks for the info will try to find something
[12:00:27] <due>	Russavia: Might be better to ask in #wikimedia-commons or whatever the commons channel is these days.
[12:08:23] <CIA-6>	03greg * r41967 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql updaters.inc): Add column ipblocks.ipb_allow_usertalk
[12:08:49] *Aktron 	is going to leave now, nobody helped him, so maybe next time, bye
[12:11:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811  (10wikia.jack)
[12:16:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove autoblocks when a user is unblocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5445   +bugmonday; +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[12:21:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811  (10Andrew)
[12:24:20] <WaRpAtH>	O_O
[12:24:53] <tstaerk>	hi, can I define templates using wiki syntax
[12:24:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  display of diff after a rollback should have the option of being disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15761  (10stevend811)
[12:24:59] <tstaerk>	or do I need to write php code?
[12:25:14] <FunPika>	wiki syntax can be used
[12:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  display of diff after a rollback should have the option of being disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15761   +need-review +patch (10stevend811)
[12:28:08] *FunPika 	added a patch to bug 15761
[12:28:19] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Page moves do not update relevant table(s) thus nonexistent pages are shown on other special pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15655  summary; +comment (10danny.b)
[12:28:45] <bjwebb>	hello
[12:29:00] <bjwebb>	what version is the automatic search completion in?
[12:29:14] <FunPika>	I think that is the TitleKey extension
[12:30:09] <FunPika>	which appears to be compatible with 1.12+
[12:30:19] <Danny_B>	sfir it also needs the search extension as well
[12:31:14] <bjwebb>	ah, okay
[12:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow html attribute on SyntaxHighlight GeSHi extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10081  (10stevend811)
[12:33:36] <siebrand>	Any reason why live preview should remain tagged 'experimental'? (like that since r6709, 2004-12-19)
[12:34:43] <TimStarling>	that means it should be re-reviewed or removed
[12:34:54] <TimStarling>	if nobody has bothered to check it for sanity in all that time
[12:35:39] <siebrand>	TimStarling: we've been using it as default preview mode on Betawiki for ages. Never had one comment on it.
[12:35:58] <TimStarling>	have you reviewed it?
[12:36:45] <siebrand>	TimStarling: only in a functional sense, not in a technical. Not qualified to do the latter.
[12:38:38] <TimStarling>	btw did you notice the movenologintext issue?
[12:39:24] <siebrand>	TimStarling: not in detail. IIRC you reverted something referring to a message that was moved to renameuser that was still being used in core?
[12:39:54] <TimStarling>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/38347
[12:40:04] <siebrand>	TimStarling: MessagesEn.php was heavily out of sync with messages.inc. That was annyoing. Devs hardly ever update the latter.
[12:40:08] <TimStarling>	it was actually still in use in the core
[12:40:16] <TimStarling>	I don't know what it's for
[12:40:31] <enhydra>	eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:40:37] <enhydra>	eek :( damn cat
[12:40:50] <siebrand>	TimStarling: hmm, still used?
[12:41:06] <TimStarling>	yes, always has been
[12:41:22] <TimStarling>	anyway, I don't know what messages.inc is for
[12:41:25] <due>	enhydra: Cats+keyboard=bad.
[12:41:30] <TimStarling>	was there a post to wikitech-l about it?
[12:42:00] <siebrand>	TimStarling: messages.inc (in phase3/maintenance/langauge/) is used to rebuild messages files.
[12:42:18] <TimStarling>	does it change the number of spaces before the => all the time?
[12:42:21] <TimStarling>	that's kind of annoying
[12:42:36] <siebrand>	TimStarling: it is input for rebuildLanguage.php (also in maintenance/language), and contains message groups and comments.
[12:42:37] <enhydra>	due, it right-clicked my mouse (which is for  “paste” in putty)
[12:42:55] <TimStarling>	did you introduce it?
[12:43:11] <siebrand>	TimStarling: It's quite old code. I have no idea of its origin.
[12:43:57] <FunPika>	r17390 was when messages.inc got added I think. 
[12:44:01] <TimStarling>	can't that data be generated from MessagesEn.php?
[12:44:22] <siebrand>	rebuildLanguage.php is in since r17447 (2006-11) and was added by Rotem Liss
[12:44:48] <siebrand>	TimStarling: well, not with the nifty comments, optionals and ignoreds.
[12:45:58] <TimStarling>	optionals?
[12:46:11] <siebrand>	TimStarling: btw, no idea what went wrong on r38347. I have a shell grep alias that I use to find use of messages in core.
[12:46:35] <siebrand>	TimStarling: 'optional' is a message that most probably does not need a translation.
[12:47:01] <TimStarling>	it's also a word that doesn't appear in messages.inc
[12:47:28] <siebrand>	TimStarling: these messages are now tagged optional in core: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&task=optional&group=core&language=en-gb&limit=2500
[12:47:39] <siebrand>	try v
[12:47:40] <siebrand>	messageTypes.inc
[12:48:05] <TimStarling>	presumably the comments are actually in MessagesEn.php
[12:48:20] <TimStarling>	as are comments marking various messages as optional
[12:48:26] <siebrand>	TimStarling: not really.
[12:49:10] <siebrand>	they are in $wgBlockComments and $wgMessageComments in messages.inc
[12:49:17] <TimStarling>	'accesskey-pt-userpage'             => '.', # do not translate or duplicate this message to other languages
[12:49:19] <TimStarling>	like that
[12:49:55] <Sadr>	if I wanna discuss a possible cooperation with one of MW's developers and JFusion (http://jfusion.org/), would this be the right place to discuss it?..
[12:50:02] <siebrand>	TimStarling: wif you do a rebuildLangauge.php after adding it only to the MessagesXx.php, it'll be gone.
[12:50:09] <siebrand>	Sadr: yes
[12:50:52] <TimStarling>	I'm saying that maybe rebuildLanguage.php should get its information from MessagesEn.php
[12:51:00] <TimStarling>	then it won't be gone, will it?
[12:51:01] <Sadr>	great :) any developers around then?
[12:51:09] <Sadr>	as in, part of the MW team
[12:51:10] <siebrand>	TimStarling: I have no idea.
[12:51:33] <siebrand>	TimStarling: it sounds much more expensive.
[12:52:10] <TimStarling>	it's only 200KB
[12:52:13] <TimStarling>	couldn't take that long to parse
[12:52:25] <siebrand>	TimStarling: as for LivePreview. It has a few reports: 3421, 8618, 11438. Possibly more, but I got these from the reports that matched "preview".
[12:53:34] <TimStarling>	maybe it should be moved to an extension
[12:53:44] <siebrand>	TimStarling: I think you should discuss it with rotem and Nikerabbit. We rely on messages.inc and messageTypes.inc heavily for MediaWiki localisation and prioritisation.
[12:54:11] <siebrand>	Haven't seen rotem online for ages, though.
[12:54:35] <TimStarling>	"experimental" probably isn't accurate
[12:54:57] <TimStarling>	but maybe it's a convenient euphemism for "buggy abandoned code"
[12:56:15] <siebrand>	Sadr: TimStarling and I are developers, each with our own scope :)
[12:56:44] <siebrand>	Sadr: Tim is a paid core developer, I am a volunteer i18n/L10n dev.
[12:56:47] *TimStarling 	is in a good mood for stabbing, maybe not so much cooperating
[12:57:00] <domas>	=)
[12:57:02] <domas>	HI TIM
[12:57:34] *TimStarling 	stabs domas
[12:57:46] <domas>	THANKS
[12:57:57] *domas 	bleeds
[12:58:00] <domas>	hemorrhage !
[12:58:11] *due 	wipes up the blood with handkerchief, sells as good luck charm.
[12:58:12] <Sadr>	alright
[12:58:13] <Sadr>	well
[12:58:28] <domas>	hemorrhage doesn't stop
[12:58:38] <domas>	:(
[12:58:46] <siebrand>	Sadr: just spill your guts. At least then it's out there :)
[12:58:53] <Sadr>	I would like to talk about the possibilities of one of MW's developers joining forces with us guys at JFusion
[12:59:29] <TimStarling>	that's a very cool name
[12:59:33] <Sadr>	JFusion is an extension for Joomla! which makes it easy not just to create bridges for other softwares, but also to easily cross-integrate all of these softwares
[12:59:35] <Sadr>	e.g.
[12:59:39] <TimStarling>	it's like 2 buzzwords in only 7 letters
[12:59:47] <Sadr>	you could easily have a site with Joomla!, phpbb and mediawiki
[12:59:54] <Sadr>	all using the same login
[12:59:57] <Sadr>	with no hassle
[13:00:11] <Sadr>	all you gotta do is set a "master" login
[13:00:13] <due>	Isn't Joomla the science dude from Lilo & Stitch?
[13:00:16] <Sadr>	e.g. Joomla! or phpBB
[13:00:21] <Sadr>	^^ might be
[13:00:47] <due>	Ah, Jumba Jookiba.
[13:00:51] <Sadr>	but you shold also know it's one of the most popular (php), open source content management systems to date
[13:01:03] <domas>	;-)
[13:01:04] <domas>	orly!
[13:01:05] <TimStarling>	apart from mediawiki you mean?
[13:01:09] <domas>	mediawiki is #1
[13:01:11] <Sadr>	currently JFusion only supports the most popular forums
[13:01:12] <domas>	TimStarling: hi5
[13:01:17] *TimStarling 	hi5
[13:01:23] <Sadr>	hehe well that depens on how you define a CMS
[13:01:33] <domas>	content management system
[13:01:35] <Sadr>	MW and Joomla! serve difference purposes
[13:01:40] <TimStarling>	so...
[13:01:41] <domas>	mediawiki certainly can be used for managing content
[13:01:52] <Sadr>	yesyes but I'm not here to discuss that
[13:02:08] <TimStarling>	MediaWiki isn't very good at account systems just yet
[13:02:16] <Sadr>	exactly
[13:02:17] <siebrand>	eh, let's give the guy a break.
[13:02:24] <domas>	:)
[13:02:26] <Sadr>	which is one of the tasks Joomla! is very good at taking care of
[13:02:29] <TimStarling>	we have CentralAuth but it's got about a million hooks and it's kind of ugly
[13:02:31] <Sadr>	another is forums
[13:02:43] <Sadr>	JFusion allows you to easily put these pieces together
[13:03:15] <Sadr>	we just don't have the developer-army in order to develop and provide support for all kinds of bridges right away
[13:03:48] <Sadr>	which is why we need help from the community of every piece of software we'd like to add to our extensions as plug-ins
[13:03:58] <Sadr>	I btw am not a developer, merely a project manager
[13:04:10] *domas 	giggles at Edititis
[13:04:14] <domas>	TimStarling: bad name
[13:04:16] <siebrand>	ouch, damn suit :)
[13:04:22] <domas>	TimStarling: it is not about obsession with edits, but obsession with counting
[13:04:26] <domas>	TimStarling: you need better latin name?
[13:04:57] <siebrand>	numeralitis?
[13:05:14] <TimStarling>	domas: maybe
[13:05:24] <Sadr>	so what I'm asking is simple
[13:05:30] <Sadr>	if you could just try and spread the word
[13:05:35] <domas>	Ducitis
[13:05:45] <TimStarling>	Sadr: well, that's what I'm saying, plugging in an account system is not particularly trivial
[13:05:49] <Sadr>	there might be a developer out there who's very well affiliated with MW
[13:06:07] <TimStarling>	it's not that we don't have our own already
[13:06:10] <Sadr>	nono but that's not the essential part
[13:06:13] <TimStarling>	just that it's not very well modularised
[13:06:34] <Sadr>	people have long tried to integrate their wiki-pages with their Joomla! installation
[13:06:49] <domas>	$wgScribEnumeritis
[13:06:49] <domas>	:)
[13:07:19] <Sadr>	mediawiki doesn't make for the best front-page (portal if you'd like), which is why many tend to either make their own or use a more presentation-focused cms for this purpose
[13:07:32] <Sadr>	in many cases, Joomla!
[13:07:51] <Sadr>	along with that, they're often gonna want a forum, like phpBB or SMF
[13:08:05] <Sadr>	that's another login right there, so we got 3 seperate logins atm
[13:08:27] <Sadr>	they might even want to add an advanced gallery to the mix, like Gallery2 or ZenPhoto
[13:08:29] <Sadr>	that's 4
[13:08:33] <lch>	I haven't tried it myself, but can't you just use everything use LDAP for authentication?
[13:08:49] <Sadr>	that's gonna make logins easier, sure
[13:08:53] <Sadr>	but not user management
[13:09:05] <Sadr>	rights management, that sort of thing
[13:09:09] <Sadr>	structure, basically
[13:09:12] <lch>	k
[13:09:29] <domas>	Sadr: it is straightforward to write an extension that makes mediawiki use some other auth
[13:09:45] <siebrand>	Sadr: rights management in the MW api was just shot as WONTFIX.
[13:09:59] <Sadr>	what?
[13:10:05] <Sadr>	didn't get that sorry
[13:10:28] <TimStarling>	<Sadr> nono but that's not the essential part
[13:10:31] <lch>	"nobody cares about right management" was the message I think :)
[13:10:34] <TimStarling>	what is the essential part?
[13:11:03] <domas>	people should just use openid everywhere!
[13:11:16] <TimStarling>	you're just talking problems so far
[13:11:17] <siebrand>	Sadr: MediaWiki has an API that allows content fetching and writing. Rights management was marked wontfix by the API developers.
[13:11:17] <Sadr>	openid doesn't fix everything for you
[13:11:43] <domas>	siebrand: do we allow logging in via api?
[13:12:18] <domas>	that could be used for 'mediawiki as a master'
[13:12:25] <domas>	and auth plugins are good for 'as a slave'
[13:12:32] <domas>	though I'm unhappy my autoauthenticate hook is gone!
[13:12:44] <Sadr>	if you decide to ban a guy from your site, will OpenID take care of all identical users on the other softwares?
[13:12:56] <siebrand>	domas: only if the action that is performed through the API triggers an event that logs, I guess...
[13:13:31] <Sadr>	what JFusion is also working on, is visual integration
[13:13:59] <Sadr>	allowing for easy wrapping, without the ugly sideeffects
[13:14:22] <siebrand>	domas: delete, create page, e-mail user would cause log entries. But not 'just a log event', AFAIK.
[13:14:23] <Sadr>	allowing you to use Joomla! for your global top navigation
[13:14:35] <TimStarling>	you're not talking about accounts anymore
[13:14:44] <Sadr>	nope, because that's not all JFusion can do
[13:15:01] <siebrand>	(afk)
[13:15:08] <TimStarling>	are you here to tell us what JFusion can do?
[13:15:13] <Sadr>	not really
[13:15:21] <Sadr>	but you seem to want to know ^^
[13:15:27] <Sadr>	I'm here just to pop the question
[13:15:31] <john>	For the wikipedia API: Is there a list anywhere of what the namespace (ns) ids map to?
[13:15:39] <siebrand>	JFusion is a free GPL plugin for the award winning Content Management System (CMS) Joomla. JFusion provides universal user integration, by extending the Joomla 1.5 user authentication framework without any core hacks.
[13:15:40] <Sadr>	"do you think anyone could be interested in working along with us on this?"
[13:15:46] <siebrand>	JFusion will force Joomla to use an external software as the "master" of user management. This has the advantage that users can login to both Joomla the software integrated by JFusion using the same username/password. No core hacks are made which has the advantage that your can upgrade your software normally without reconfiguring JFusion.
[13:16:06] <siebrand>	More at http://jfusion.org/
[13:16:09] <Sadr>	mm
[13:16:15] <Sadr>	as linked to when I first got here ;)
[13:16:21] <TimStarling>	maybe you should post to mediawiki-l
[13:16:31] <Sadr>	?
[13:16:37] <Sadr>	mediawiki-l?
[13:16:44] <TimStarling>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
[13:16:54] <due>	john: http://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases
[13:16:54] <Sadr>	thanks
[13:17:10] <john>	perfect, thanks!
[13:17:24] <Sadr>	well I dunno
[13:17:43] <Sadr>	would posting there get more developers' attention?
[13:18:12] <TimStarling>	it depends on what you post
[13:18:48] <TimStarling>	well, yes you will I suppose
[13:19:00] <TimStarling>	since it's unlikely that there will be any developers here who aren't on the list
[13:19:31] <Sadr>	okay great, I'll look into it
[13:20:05] <TimStarling>	and writing an ML post will let you get your thoughts together and work out what exactly you want from a mediawiki developer
[13:20:29] <Sadr>	heeh, I might've given the impression that I didn't huh? ^^
[13:20:56] <lch>	Sadr, one question that interests me, can I use this JFusion thing without Joomla? Since all I heard about Joomla so far is that it's a favorite target for hacking and does show security-related bugs concerning that from time to time, so I might be interested in using MediaWiki and phpBB and maybe some other software, but not Joomla
[13:21:48] <Sadr>	I'm afraid not. it's a dream of mine that we could eventually move on to become independant of Joomla! and instead just be another third-party software
[13:21:54] <Sadr>	but right now that's not the case
[13:21:54] <Sadr>	but
[13:22:02] <Sadr>	you could always "disguise" joomla though :P
[13:22:18] <Sadr>	you don't have to give away that you're actually using joomla for your bridging
[13:27:05] <TimStarling>	freaky
[13:27:22] *TimStarling 	had forgotten that he enabled "preview on first edit"
[13:27:28] <TimStarling>	I wonder why that feature exists
[13:28:10] <Sadr>	hey, earlier you said something about someone getting paid for MW development
[13:28:15] <Sadr>	what was that about? :P who's paying?
[13:28:37] <TimStarling>	wikimedia
[13:28:46] <TimStarling>	we're a non-profit
[13:29:08] <TimStarling>	we want to bring free knowledge to the world in every living language
[13:29:12] <TimStarling>	and a few dead ones too
[13:29:18] <Sadr>	:)
[13:29:27] <Sadr>	but
[13:29:41] <Sadr>	some of you actually work woth wikimedia fulltime?
[13:30:55] <TimStarling>	http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff
[13:31:33] <due>	TimStarling: Rob Halsell != Rob Church, right?
[13:31:41] <TimStarling>	right
[13:31:45] <due>	:( 
[13:31:47] <TimStarling>	different last name kind of gives it away
[13:31:47] <DarkoNeko>	omg staff pic
[13:31:48] *due 	misses robchurch.
[13:32:09] <DarkoNeko>	cary apart, I don't recall ever seeing any of theses faces :)
[13:32:32] <Sadr>	any of the original creators/members still around?
[13:32:37] <due>	nice photos, actually.
[13:32:54] <due>	Sadr: IIRC, you're looking at them.
[13:33:35] <Sadr>	oh. the "since December 2007." kinda confused me
[13:33:42] <TimStarling>	well, Erik
[13:33:48] <Sadr>	just the title then I guess?
[13:34:00] <due>	Magnus is still around isn't he?
[13:34:10] <TimStarling>	yes, he's not on the staff list though
[13:34:20] <due>	true
[13:34:37] <TimStarling>	I certainly haven't been around since the start
[13:35:14] <TimStarling>	Erik was around, but Sunir says he didn't like the idea when it first started ;)
[13:35:15] <due>	huh, guess that shows how up-to-date with MediaWiki/Wikimedia history I am :)
[13:35:52] <naught101>	does mediawiki count hits on red links?
[13:36:31] <TimStarling>	don't know
[13:36:33] <TimStarling>	try it and see
[13:39:13] <nsk>	for what purpose would red link hits counting be useful
[13:41:08] <TimStarling>	obviously it doesn't count them in the page table
[13:41:12] <TimStarling>	but maybe in site_stats
[13:41:30] <due>	nsk: I suppose people might wnat to know what articles they don't have that people click on the most often.
[13:42:08] <nsk>	mediawiki can count how many red links exist towards the same article titles
[13:42:51] <due>	That's completely different to how many people *click* on the links.
[13:43:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Asymmetric rendering of bytes-changed in watchlists and recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15925  (10happy_melon)
[13:43:21] <nsk>	yes it is, it can help an admin get an idea of the need for an article though
[13:43:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Asymmetric rendering of bytes-changed in watchlists and recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15925   +need-review +patch (10happy_melon)
[13:44:08] <nsk>	however counting hits to red links may not be a good way to measure how much people would want an article
[13:44:15] *due 	shrugs.
[13:44:43] <nsk>	it would probably be a good way, though, to count how many people don't know what a redlink is.
[13:48:44] <nsk>	would you think that adding a skin selector for non-loggedin users would be a nice feature in mediawiki?
[13:53:14] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41968 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialMovepage.php: Fix freaky calling method for MovePageForm::showForm(), add docs
[14:08:58] <naught101>	nsk: it would be useful to know which non-existant pages are most urgently needed
[14:09:36] <naught101>	it would probably be pretty closely related to wantedpages anyway
[14:09:54] <nsk>	would you think it would be a useful feature to be added to mediawiki?
[14:14:42] <CIA-6>	03tstarling * r41969 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (OggHandler.php OggHandler_body.php): 
[14:14:42] <CIA-6>	Revert r41628:
[14:14:42] <CIA-6>	* register_globals XSS vulnerability
[14:14:42] <CIA-6>	* references playerStats.js which has plenty of issues of its own
[14:14:42] <CIA-6>	* please fix your whitespace issues
[14:45:44] <Didoudu73>	Slt
[14:45:48] <Didoudu73>	helllo
[14:46:37] <TimStarling>	someone needs to fix CodeReview to log state changes
[14:46:46] <Didoudu73>	can you help me please
[14:47:35] <DarkoNeko>	not if you don't ask more useful questions
[14:48:00] <DarkoNeko>	what is the problem ?
[14:48:38] <Didoudu73>	How to postthe url with the title and without him : index.php?title=
[14:49:48] <DarkoNeko>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL <-
[14:49:59] <Didoudu73>	As thanks
[14:56:54] <Didoudu73>	Greate ;)
[15:11:38] <vdite>	hi, anybody on?
[15:12:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	vdite: There's plenty of people here. Please ask your question and if someone can help you they will.
[15:13:12] <DarkoNeko>	we really should say it in the toic, even tho few people read it
[15:13:17] <DarkoNeko>	+p
[15:13:29] <vdite>	ok, i'm trying to get a visualization of user relationships in a mediaWiki
[15:13:41] <vdite>	anybody an idea how to find relations?
[15:13:46] <vdite>	in the DB?
[15:14:19] <vdite>	Relations have to be like "this people edits the same article few times"
[15:16:29] <Mike_lifeguard>	DarkoNeko: used to, IIRC
[15:16:42] <DarkoNeko>	hm ?
[15:16:50] <DarkoNeko>	ah :)
[15:17:08] <DarkoNeko>	well "don't ask to ask, ask" is not exactly easy to undertsand
[15:17:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	vdite: The db doesn't store things like that, I think. You'll have to do it yourself. (I don't think there's an extension for that)
[15:17:27] <Duesentrieb>	vdite: i just saw a interesting presentation of a few people who work on just that.
[15:17:31] <Duesentrieb>	let me get you a link...
[15:17:46] <Duesentrieb>	they are publishing some opensource tools for this
[15:19:23] <vdite>	that would be great, if!
[15:19:43] <Duesentrieb>	vdite: it's apparently not public yet ("monday!") but i'll get you the contact info. give me a minute
[15:20:01] <vdite>	thanks!
[15:21:56] <Duesentrieb>	vdite: their blog is at http://www.kinf.wiai.uni-bamberg.de/WiOblog/ contact info at http://www.kinf.wiai.uni-bamberg.de/WiOblog/index.php/team/
[15:22:18] <Duesentrieb>	vdite: the demo of visualizing communication structures in wikis was wuite impressive, poke them until you get what you need :)
[15:30:22] <Kuja^>	is it possible to clone all exsisting articles to another wiki without just copying the database?
[15:33:09] <lenary>	Kuja^: import / export
[15:46:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	What happened to [[Special:Statistics]]? O.o
[15:48:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	And what does the * mean - it's not explained :\
[15:49:01] <DarkoNeko>	I have no idea :)
[15:49:14] <DarkoNeko>	it's supposed to refer to something els eo nthe page, but there's nothing XD
[15:49:54] <Raymond_>	Mike_lifeguard: * means there is a tooltip
[15:50:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	oo, fancy though not intuitive
[15:50:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	it should be a ? if you're using a tooltip
[15:50:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	an asterisk means there is a note somewhere on the page
[15:51:03] <Raymond_>	yeah
[16:02:43] <lch>	is somebody here using the WikiDB extension? any idea how to use results in templates?
[16:03:59] <movedx>	http://mcrilly.co.uk/wiki/ <- Why oes this Wiki look fine in IE7 and Opera, but not in FF3? I can't put my finger on it.
[16:07:18] <Soxred>	Hmm...that's a weird problem
[16:08:57] <lenary>	don't worry
[16:09:05] <lenary>	i presume it fails on safarit too
[16:09:58] <movedx>	I don't know.
[16:10:05] <movedx>	I just know it works in IE and Opera.
[16:10:07] *Soxred 	checks
[16:10:23] <movedx>	And, here's the fine: www.wikipedia.org works in FF3.
[16:10:46] <Soxred>	Works in Safari
[16:11:13] <Soxred>	Maybe it's because FF3 is too standards compliant. :/
[16:11:43] <Duesentrieb>	movedx: your rewrite rules are b0rked.
[16:11:48] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems
[16:11:48] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[16:12:23] <Soxred>	Thanks, Duesentrieb 
[16:12:33] <Duesentrieb>	movedx: well... they probably don't cause the current problem, and may kind of work for now, but this WILL bite you at some point.
[16:12:43] <Duesentrieb>	point 4 especially
[16:12:55] <Duesentrieb>	don't know what's causing your problem :)
[16:13:06] <lenary>	i rewrote from the root to a wiki/Page_Name
[16:13:31] <lenary>	so it's normally index.php?title=Main_Page
[16:13:37] <lenary>	but now it's normal
[16:14:54] <Duesentrieb>	lenary: you are using /wiki for both, as virtual path for pages, and as path for physical files. that's a BAD IDEA.
[16:15:38] <Duesentrieb>	lenary: but it's off. Firebug shows me the CSS is loaded, but not used. No clue why, sorry. "No style" is often caused by this kind of rewrite issue, but in your case, the css *does* load.
[16:15:45] <Duesentrieb>	no clue why it isn't applied.
[16:16:21] <movedx>	I have no idea where to start.
[16:16:28] <movedx>	I don't use Apache, I use Lighttpd.
[16:19:12] <movedx>	So you think my issue is some sort of rewrite rule or somethng, Duesentrieb?
[16:21:56] <Duesentrieb>	movedx: no. the "wrong" setup you use is a common cause, but not the cause in your case. your rewrite rules may cause you pain in the future though.
[16:22:52] <movedx>	OK I'll look into those at some point but for now I need to get this working in Firefox for obvious reasons.
[16:22:56] <movedx>	Any suggestions?
[16:24:41] <Duesentrieb>	no clue, sorry. i'm as mystified as you :)
[16:24:56] <movedx>	Strange.
[16:31:09] <lenary>	hrm... no, i've actually not got a wiki directory
[16:31:12] <lenary>	so it works
[16:31:15] <lenary>	sorry, i was away
[16:36:29] <movedx>	This is so annoying and as usual, it's FF being anal. I can't even begin to think what FF is f'ing up here.
[16:38:56] <CIA-6>	03demon * r41970 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php Validate.php specials/SpecialPreferences.php): Revert r41603, r41751 (splitting Preferences validation into its own class). Breaks a lot of things per comments on Code Review by Tim.
[16:39:53] <CIA-6>	03demon * r41971 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Followup to r41970, reverting the changes to extensions too.
[16:44:57] <movedx>	Duesentrieb: Resolved it.
[16:45:37] <movedx>	Duesentrieb: The web server, lighttpd in my case was sending the CSS, any CSS file as "application/octet-stream" and not "text/css".
[16:48:44] <Kuja^>	ugh, why is iw_url in the interwiki table blob for my new wiki? and how to add new entries there, then?
[16:54:18] <tstaerk>	could someone please do me a favor and vote ANYTHING on http://www.linuxintro.org/wiki/KDE-did_you_know
[16:54:25] <tstaerk>	I am testing my rating extension.
[16:56:59] <Steve89012>	hi, can anyone tell me how to mark edits as bot edits?
[17:02:03] <Leni|heia>	hi, spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[17:02:21] <tstaerk>	Leni|heia, many could speak german here
[17:02:50] <lenary>	guten tag Elenya 
[17:03:15] <lenary>	mein Deutech ist nicht perfekt
[17:03:24] <Elenya>	ah da is einer :) ich hab ne frage und hab in den faq nichts gefunden
[17:03:55] <Elenya>	und zwar haben wir die software laufen und so eingestellt, dass nur registrierte user schreiben k�nnen
[17:04:16] <tstaerk>	let's gather on mediawiki-de please
[17:04:16] <Elenya>	gibt es eine m�glichkeit, die meldung zu �ndern, die ein user erh�lt, wenn er eine nicht existierende seite aufruft und nicht angemeldet ist?
[17:04:23] <lenary>	aber ich werde probieren
[17:04:48] <Elenya>	sorry, i didn know that. i will ask in the other channel, thanks
[17:04:57] <lenary>	also
[17:05:07] <lenary>	ok, bascaically
[17:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Autoblock IP cannot edit their user talk page even though set " Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15938 major; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (vinhtantran)
[17:06:12] <lenary>	you're wanting a notification
[17:06:27] <lenary>	ok, my german fails technically
[17:06:29] <lenary>	oh well
[17:09:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoblock IP cannot edit their user talk page even though set " Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15938  (10stevend811)
[17:10:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoblock IP cannot edit their user talk page even though set " Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15938  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:11:02] <Elenya>	bye
[17:15:18] <Mike||busy>	Anyone recall who's writing AbuseFilter?
[17:15:49] <lenary>	not me
[17:15:53] <FunPika>	werdna I think
[17:16:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page moves do not update relevant table(s) thus nonexistent pages are shown on other special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15655  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:16:37] <Mike||busy>	do we know if the code on in svn (or somewhere else accesible to me)?
[17:16:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please change kv.wiki-logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15939 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (spacebirdy)
[17:17:42] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Autoblock IP cannot edit their user talk page even though set " Allow this user to edit own talk page while blocked" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15938  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:17:51] <Platonides>	Mike||busy, i think it'll be in svn
[17:17:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Issues with blocks and talkpage editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15812  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:18:00] <Mike||busy>	k, thanks
[17:35:51] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41972 10/trunk/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php: More RC UDP refactoring for bug 15276
[17:40:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Abuse Filter on English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15684  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:41:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article name shouldn' t be highlighted in the content on the irc feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15428  (10Platonides)
[17:48:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a variable for links added - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15940 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (mikelifeguard)
[17:50:38] <Mike||busy>	That thing is a usability nightmare :|
[17:50:46] <Mike||busy>	(AbuseFilter, I mean)
[17:52:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (cenarium.sysop)
[17:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand Special:Nuke to revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  +comment (10techman224)
[18:05:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand Special:Nuke to revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  (10stevend811)
[18:07:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:08:50] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41973 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.php CentralAuthUser.php): (bug 15276) UDP log account unifications
[18:08:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create a channel on Wikimedia IRC that logs newly created/ unified accounts on all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15276  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:09:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  (10techman224)
[18:10:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  (10stevend811)
[18:11:40] <Mike||busy>	oo, we have component extension requests :)
[18:13:46] <FunPika>	and 41 requests with status=NEW in there O_O 
[18:16:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  (10techman224)
[18:16:58] <academo>	Hi all
[18:17:12] <academo>	i am new in mediawiki, and i have a question
[18:17:27] <academo>	i want colaborate with translations in the wiki
[18:17:41] <Platonides>	academo, www.translatewiki.org
[18:17:45] <academo>	how i do this
[18:17:48] <academo>	ohhh xD
[18:17:58] <Platonides>	er, www.translatewiki.net
[18:18:18] <academo>	mmm
[18:18:42] <academo>	well
[18:19:08] <academo>	but, i can help to translate thw wiki of mediawiki project in this page?
[18:19:58] <Platonides>	the translations done there are merged into mediawiki codebase
[18:19:59] <academo>	(yes i know yes, but i ask is where exactly)
[18:21:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges done with nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  summary (10techman224)
[18:41:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (techman224)
[18:47:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incomplete rename, causes error on SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15899  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:47:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941  (10mrzmanwiki)
[18:48:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incomplete rename, causes error on SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15899  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:48:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incomplete rename, causes error on SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15899  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:56:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:58:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  (10techman224)
[19:10:58] <Sadr>	Help: I wanna create a template for article-standards like the "Stubs" template, adding standards like "Incomplete" and "Inconsistent"
[19:11:22] <Sadr>	but I don't know how I can make these templates also automatically add the page to the category they belong to
[19:11:32] <Sadr>	like {{stubs}} do
[19:13:27] <Reedy>	<includeonly>[[Category:WhateverIWant]]</includeonly>
[19:13:37] <Sadr>	in the template?
[19:13:39] <Reedy>	yup
[19:13:54] <Sadr>	alrighty, thanks, I'll give it a shot :)
[19:18:25] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:20:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  (10mikelifeguard)
[19:28:03] <KU0N>	hello
[19:28:11] <KU0N>	How can I get an enamil each time a page I'm watching is modified?
[19:28:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  (10soxred93)
[19:28:56] <Viper550>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW-screenshot okay wtf is this. I thought it was all GPL
[19:30:56] <Platonides>	:O
[19:32:27] <Emufarmers>	Viper550: Ask HappyDog?
[19:32:43] <Viper550>	its supposed to be all GPL.
[19:34:31] <Emufarmers>	I'm sure HappyDog had some reason to think the "look and feel" might not be GPLed; I would ask him what he was thinking
[19:34:50] <Emufarmers>	KU0N: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnotifWatchlist
[19:35:11] <KU0N>	Emufarmers: thanks
[19:35:21] <Viper550>	Wikipedia's Wikipedia Screenshot template says that screenshots of Wikipedia are GPL and GFDL because the software is GPL.
[19:36:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  (10techman224)
[19:38:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  (10techman224)
[19:38:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges done with nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  (10techman224)
[19:39:57] <CIA-6>	03stipe * r41974 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): local seeks don't reload file on dragging, VLC works (partly) with local seeking
[19:45:35] <Viper550>	Does mediawiki.org have a connection to the Commons?
[19:46:22] <ialex>	[[commons:]]
[19:46:33] <ialex>	you can also use images from commons
[19:47:52] <Viper550>	that's what I was asking
[19:52:18] <Skizzerz>	bah, Tim is away :(
[19:52:46] <Viper550>	anyway, fixed up the template
[19:58:29] <Skizzerz>	Tim-away: when you get back, I replied to your comments on r41710
[20:06:16] <MikaelLindmark>	When installing "MediaWiki 1.7.1" (Debian dist) I get "Neither Turck MMCache nor eAccelerator nor APC are installed..." but I have installed eAccelerator. phpinfo says "Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2006 Zend Technologies
[20:06:16] <MikaelLindmark>	    with eAccelerator v0.9.5.3, 
[20:09:30] <Platonides>	MikaelLindmark, Mediawiki 1.7 is really old
[20:09:46] <Platonides>	we're on 1.13.2
[20:10:00] <Platonides>	!install
[20:10:00] --mwbot--	Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[20:10:07] <Platonides>	!download
[20:10:07] --mwbot--	The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN >. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download> for more information.
[20:10:10] <MikaelLindmark>	Yes. It´s Debian standard package
[20:10:19] <Platonides>	Debian is not really up to date
[20:10:51] <ialex>	1.7 is about than two years old
[20:10:52] <Platonides>	the recommended way is to manually download and install, even for Debian
[20:10:55] <ialex>	-than
[20:11:12] <Platonides>	and unsupported
[20:11:27] <Platonides>	no benefit on installing 1.7 on a new wiki
[20:11:56] <padde>	why do webapp package maintainers suck so much? ;)
[20:12:10] <MikaelLindmark>	OK, thanks. 
[20:12:51] <Platonides>	padde, because they aren't really doing too much?
[20:13:05] <padde>	Platonides: that's the problem!
[20:13:06] <Platonides>	mediawiki should work out of the box
[20:13:19] <Platonides>	it's not like mediawiki needed to be compiled
[20:13:36] <Platonides>	they just mix things by changing the place of install
[20:13:37] <padde>	Platonides: well, config changes need to be merged etc.
[20:13:51] <padde>	Platonides: making sure of dependencies (php, ...)
[20:14:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941  (10mrzmanwiki)
[20:14:03] <padde>	Platonides: but as you say, not rocket science
[20:14:32] <Platonides>	if they're still on 1.7 they aren't taking into account the dependency of newer versions for php-xml
[20:15:17] <MikaelLindmark>	OK, I'll remove the package, download the latest, keeping all other packages around.
[20:15:39] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:15:54] <MikaelLindmark>	So I could get into an upgrade circus?
[20:15:56] <padde>	hm, ok, the gentoo maintainer seems to be up to his task ;) 1.11.2 is stable, 1.13.2 is the latest "testing" package
[20:15:58] *Platonides 	hopes to have done it right wontfixing
[20:16:24] <Viper550>	better idea: magic words to disable specific categories from transcluding in specific namespaces
[20:16:27] <Platonides>	MikaelLindmark, what's a upgrade circus?
[20:17:40] <MikaelLindmark>	The newer MediaWiki requires some newer versions of tools, etc and upgrading them requires upgrading alot of other stuff, and then the circus is on...
[20:17:51] <Platonides>	not really
[20:18:04] <Platonides>	the newer mediawiki needs php5
[20:18:11] <Platonides>	which was already needed by 1.7
[20:18:22] <Platonides>	supports mysql since version 4
[20:18:26] <MikaelLindmark>	So does the MediaWiki 1.7.1 Debian package.
[20:18:55] <Platonides>	it has few requeriments
[20:19:18] <padde>	because it doesn't do much :P it's a wiki
[20:20:32] <MikaelLindmark>	Got "php-xml-parser 1.2.6-2"
[20:20:54] <MikaelLindmark>	Ok, I'll read the instructions.
[20:20:59] <MikaelLindmark>	Thanks
[20:22:51] <Platonides>	you're welcome, MikaelLindmark
[20:27:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  (10bill.mitchell)
[20:32:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941  (10N/A)
[20:43:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create magic word __NOCATEGORY__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15941  (10N/A)
[20:52:54] <Bagoor>	How can I set that a user can see this page Only in case He will be a member of X and Y group together ?
[20:54:19] <MikaelLindmark>	Hi! It´s me again (now with a MediaWiki 1.13.2) still with the same problem.
[20:54:54] <Bagoor>	MikaelLindmark, and then what was the problem ?
[20:55:45] <MikaelLindmark>	I get "Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache;" But I have eAccelerator installed.
[20:55:46] <FunPika>	MikaelLindmark: What do you need help with? 
[20:55:55] <Platonides>	MikaelLindmark, now you can complain it's a mediawiki bug ;)
[20:56:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incomplete rename, causes error on SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15899  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:56:10] <FunPika>	maybe it is not connected to PHP correctly? 
[20:56:17] <Platonides>	I think you might need to do something to connect it 
[20:56:43] <Platonides>	enabling something on its config
[20:56:51] <Platonides>	so php can use it to store data
[20:57:02] <Platonides>	(php optimization is automatic and transparent)
[20:58:03] <lch>	might need to restart the webserver after installing it and activating it in the php.ini, too
[21:00:17] <libertad>	bonjour
[21:00:19] <libertad>	I want to install a offline wikipedia version for a schools where they dont have internet
[21:02:09] <lch>	libertad, http://schools-wikipedia.org/
[21:03:10] <libertad>	Spanish wikipedia
[21:03:29] <lch>	hum
[21:04:04] <lch>	as far as I read about it from a quick glimpse, the German version was sucessfully published, the rest is still a project in progress
[21:04:06] <lch>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Snapshots
[21:04:25] <libertad>	 I need a version like TR3, TAXI or ZIPEDIA with images
[21:04:58] <libertad>	nothing
[21:06:34] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41975 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:06:34] <CIA-6>	* Make $user->invalidateCache() get the Id if needed
[21:06:34] <CIA-6>	* Remove redundant cache clearing in renameuser
[21:06:40] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Is it eAccelerator you are refering to?
[21:06:44] <lch>	here's another page about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pushing_to_1.0 and didn't they want to have those OLPC things with Wikipedia?
[21:06:45] <S-i-A>	hi
[21:06:59] <FunPika>	MikaelLindmark: Yep
[21:07:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  (10vacuum)
[21:07:21] <S-i-A>	i will disable automatic register from my wiki and disable edit to all?
[21:07:48] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:So phpinfo is lying?  ;-)
[21:08:36] <AaronSchulz>	bah
[21:08:37] <lch>	S-i-A, check the FAQ
[21:08:52] <S-i-A>	lch: ?
[21:09:24] <lch>	S-i-A, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ
[21:09:24] <S-i-A>	ok
[21:09:29] <S-i-A>	thanx
[21:09:33] <FunPika>	MikaelLindmark: Then file a bug on Bugzilla ;)
[21:09:48] <Bagoor>	How can I set that an user can see this page Only in case He will be a member of X and Y group together ?
[21:09:48] <FunPika>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[21:10:50] <lch>	S-i-A, actually, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_administrate.2Fmanage_user_rights.3F
[21:11:16] <Platonides>	Bagoor, mediawiki is not designed for limiting read access to certain pages
[21:11:34] <Platonides>	however, you can easily set that they need to have both X and Y rights to edit some pages
[21:11:48] <FunPika_>	O_O
[21:12:31] <Bagoor>	Platonides, Do you have any idea how can I change it to be able limit reading some pages for some users ?
[21:13:48] <Platonides>	!limiting access
[21:13:48] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "limiting". You might try: !lockdown 
[21:13:53] <Platonides>	!lockdown
[21:13:53] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[21:14:08] <Bagoor>	Platonides, thx
[21:15:03] <FunPika>	I think it is also possible with FlaggedRevs. 
[21:15:08] <FunPika>	!flaggedrevs
[21:15:08] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[21:16:19] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41976 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Revert self, bogus var
[21:27:54] <siebrand>	has anyone noticed heavily increased hits on Main_Page, Talk:Main_Page, and SQL injection attacks on his wiki installation recently?
[21:28:28] <siebrand>	Betawiki has 510.000 hits on Main_Page so far this month, which is ~50% of total hits last month.
[21:30:48] <Platonides>	siebrand, new links to it?
[21:31:15] <Platonides>	main_page is the entry point, so 50% could be normal
[21:31:24] <MinuteElectron>	not on betawiki
[21:31:25] <siebrand>	Platonides: well, if it was normal traffic, I would expect the account registrations to explode, and they haven't.
[21:32:24] <siebrand>	Platonides: in May, Main_Page had about 0.3% of the hits :)
[21:32:30] <Platonides>	maybe registered users which don't go straight to it
[21:32:43] <Platonides>	sniff at the referers
[21:32:55] <siebrand>	Platonides: statistically almost impossible.
[21:33:24] <siebrand>	stuff like ""GET /wiki/Category?;DECLARE%20@S%20CHAR(4000);SET%20@S=CAST(0x4445434" is also uncool.
[21:33:39] <Platonides>	quite uncool...
[21:34:44] <siebrand>	<10000 hits were referred from external.
[21:35:04] <Platonides>	it's an ASP Cold fusion exploit
[21:35:10] <Platonides>	http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4771
[21:35:13] <Platonides>	http://web-robot-abuse.blogspot.com/2008/08/latest-hack-running-right-now-is.html
[21:35:42] <siebrand>	hmm, so people have botnets on that atm. Good luck if one has an unpatched install :)
[21:36:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incomplete rename, causes error on SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15899  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:37:30] <domas>	hehe
[21:37:44] <domas>	that exploit is very dangerous for mysql
[21:37:47] <domas>	careful!
[21:39:30] <Platonides>	uh? isn't waitfor delay just for iis?
[21:39:36] <Platonides>	s/iis/mssql/
[21:40:11] <siebrand>	wow, that's helpful... http://www.sogou.com/docs/help/webmasters.htm#07
[21:40:45] <Platonides>	it's all chinese to me
[21:40:47] <siebrand>	No messages in English. I guess the Chinese think the internet is in Chinese only, just like the Americans think the whole world speaks English.
[21:41:36] <siebrand>	quite the google rip off that search engine.
[21:42:45] <siebrand>	although google does not do mp3.
[21:49:53] <j4zzcat>	'lo all
[21:52:48] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r41977 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-core.php): Removed $wgMajorSiteNoticeID
[21:53:57] <CIA-6>	03skizzerz * r41978 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/parser/Parser.php maintenance/parserTests.txt): 
[21:53:57] <CIA-6>	* fixes for the merged Poem extension, per comments by Tim Starling on CodeReview (r41710)
[21:53:57] <CIA-6>	* adding <poem> tests to the parser tests file
[21:58:05] <CIA-6>	03ialex * r41979 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthUser.php: Avoid E_ERROR by calling RecentChange::sendToUDP() instead of CentralAuthUser::sendToUDP()
[22:21:48] <Rich_Morin__>	Playing with the PDF Book Extension, I realize that I'm going to want a way to make certain content appear on the screen that doesn't get into the PDF (&vv).  Is there some sort of MW magic for this or should I try doing it in CSS?
[22:24:21] <j4zzcat>	whats the name of the extension that does <source>...</source> ?
[22:25:45] <Reedy>	j4zzcat, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[22:25:53] <j4zzcat>	thanks
[22:35:31] <rhatama>	where can i download Textile.php? Jim Riggs appears to have taken down the code from his blog http://jimandlissa.com/project/textilephp
[22:38:48] <rhatama>	anyone there?
[22:43:10] <carl-m>	rhatama: there are a lot of copies floating around google
[22:46:10] <rhatama>	carl-m: ok. i was just worried i might be downloading Textile for a different application. do you think it's safe to use this one? http://idly.org/textilephp/doc/
[22:46:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New extension to one-click revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:47:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intergrade a revert function for the Nuke Special Page in 1. 14 and a log for nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:48:07] <carl-m>	rhatama: haven't looked at it, but it's probably fine. you can always do a read-through for any security issues
[22:48:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a log and revert function for Special:Nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[22:55:24] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Hi! I removed php4 from the system and rebuilt eaccelerator-0.9.5.3, but now I get "Could not find a suitable database driver!". I'll dig deeper into it.
[23:01:07] <FunPika>	what is that error from? 
[23:01:17] <FunPika>	eaccelerator, php, mediawiki installer?
[23:01:17] <rhatama>	carl-m: maybe i'll take my chances with Markdown instead of Textile. just read this post... http://debuggable.com/posts/a-dirty-tale-from-the-real-world:480f4dd6-1514-4e4b-affe-4cabcbdd56cb
[23:03:51] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Create a channel on Wikimedia IRC that logs newly created/ unified accounts on all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15276   +shell; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:04:44] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:From mediawiki
[23:05:41] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:It's probably a PHP config issue. That's my own problem.
[23:06:25] <FunPika>	chances are you no longer have MySQL or whatever you use connected to PHP
[23:09:55] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Yes. Sigh
[23:10:59] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:And PHP isn't something I know much of
[23:11:18] <FunPika>	what operating system are you running?
[23:14:03] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Debian Linux
[23:16:31] <FunPika>	MikaelLindmark: sudo apt-get install php5-mysql will likely help...
[23:16:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a log and revert function for Special:Nuke - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15942  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:16:52] <FunPika>	providing the package installation command in Debian is the same as Ubuntu, which I am familar with
[23:18:15] <MikaelLindmark>	php5-mysql already installed.
[23:18:39] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Perhaps I should remove it with purge and reinstall it?
[23:18:52] <FunPika>	try that
[23:19:20] <FunPika>	if it doesn't work you will have to mess with your php.ini
[23:21:56] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Doesnt work. Even purged the php4-mysql
[23:22:14] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:Yes, I'll look into that. Thanks!
[23:23:01] <MikaelLindmark>	FunPika:I guess it's the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini you are refering to?
[23:23:20] <FunPika>	yes
[23:23:25] <FunPika>	I think...
[23:26:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article name shouldn' t be highlighted in the content on the irc feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15428  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:27:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Article name shouldn' t be highlighted in the content on the irc feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15428  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:28:46] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Checkuser displays accounts as "blocked" if the IP is blocked, even if the account is not - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15808  +comment (10thatcher131)
[23:30:51] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r41980 10/trunk/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php: (bug 15428) Fix erroneous coloring of unrelated items due to text matches. Only do the links.
[23:31:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Article name shouldn' t be highlighted in the content on the irc feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15428  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:35:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Checkuser displays accounts as "blocked" if the IP is blocked, even if the account is not - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15808  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:36:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search log by user oversighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15652  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:38:00] <luna6>	is there a standard way for an image or thumbnail to link to an article page rather than the image description page?
[23:46:08] <MrZ-man>	luna6: there was a feature very recently added to do this, if you use 1.14alpha, otherwise you'd have to use the imagemap extension
[23:46:14] <MrZ-man>	!e ImageMap
[23:46:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap
[23:46:35] <luna6>	oh cool, so hopefully in 1.14 final that will be a feature?
[23:47:49] <Skizzerz>	there's always a chance that it'll be removed, but chances are that it will remain in the final 1.14 release
[23:48:04] <MrZ-man>	yes, I think it'll work something like [[Image:Foo.jpg|link=Article]]
[23:48:23] <luna6>	sweet...i'll have my fingers crossed it makes it into 1.14 then
[23:48:34] <MrZ-man>	I don't think its even live on Wikimedia sites yet
[23:48:38] <luna6>	great...im using an extension but find it a pain to use...so glad to hear that
[23:49:43] <MrZ-man>	en.wikipedia also has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Click, but that requires ImageMap, as well as another extension for MediaWiki older than 1.12
[23:49:46] <Skizzerz>	yeah, that's how it works
[23:49:58] <luna6>	one more question...to make expandable lists like : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Wong_Chau_Sang
[23:50:27] <Skizzerz>	doesn't appear to work w/ thumb or frame tho
[23:50:32] <luna6>	it seems to use templates...
[23:50:45] <luna6>	the template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Col-begin
[23:50:52] <luna6>	whats the markup used in it?
[23:50:57] <Skizzerz>	it's javascript
[23:51:13] <luna6>	oh...
[23:51:17] <MrZ-man>	[[Template:Infobox Chinese-language singer and actor]]??? That seems a little overly specific...
[23:51:19] <Skizzerz>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js the part about Collapsible tables
[23:52:12] <MrZ-man>	luna6: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Collapsible_tables for some more details
[23:52:59] <luna6>	thanks
[23:53:09] <luna6>	reading up on it now...more complicated than i expected
[23:54:32] <luna6>	so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Wong_Chau_Sang the filmography section
[23:54:44] <luna6>	to make lists like that...requires javascript correct?
[23:56:25] <Skizzerz>	that? no
[23:56:35] <luna6>	whew i didnt think so..
[23:56:40] <Skizzerz>	that's accomplished via floating <div> tags
[23:56:50] *Skizzerz 	thought you were talking about the [show] link in the infobox
[23:56:54] <luna6>	ok they seem to use templates... but the {{col-begin}} template
[23:57:01] <Skizzerz>	yeah
[23:57:06] <luna6>	i don't seee the specific markup on that page
[23:57:19] <Skizzerz>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Col-begin ?
[23:57:27] <luna6>	yes
[23:57:37] <Skizzerz>	click "view source"
[23:57:55] <Skizzerz>	it's the part before the <noinclude>
[23:58:00] <luna6>	aha...
[23:58:05] <Skizzerz>	ah, tables, not <div> tags. My bad
[23:58:30] <luna6>	ok thanks....
[23:58:32] <luna6>	clears it up
[23:58:42] <luna6>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Col-3 -- shows the markup without viewing source 
[23:58:46] <luna6>	so why i was confused..
[23:58:51] <luna6>	but makes sense i get it now
[23:58:54] <luna6>	mucho gracias